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Oct. 26, 2017 - Project Camelot

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PALADIN INTERVIEWS KERRY CASSIDY - SKIES THE LIMIT

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	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and tonight I am being interviewed by my friend Paladin and so I'm going to switch this over so we can at least show what we're able to show of him which is not much unfortunately but that's just the luck of the draw.
	That's how it goes but hopefully this should be interesting to everyone and We've got a chat room, so maybe we can also allow for some questions.
	I know he's got a lot of questions for me, but that doesn't mean that we won't be able to also get to some of your questions, so we'll try for that.
	So if you just bear with me, I'm just going to make sure that we're broadcasting for sure, which is always a little bit dicey.
	And that was just a little feedback, but it's okay now.
	Okay, so we're good.
	Go right ahead, Paladin.
	The stage is yours.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	I appreciate this.
	We started publishing our White Hat reports back in November of 2010.
	And I had a mutual friend who knew Carrie.
	Carrie had interviewed her.
	So I reached out to her to see if I could get her to prevail upon Carrie to publish our reports, which Carrie did.
	And that sort of started our relationship.
	Eventually, Carrie and I spoke on Skype.
	And of course, one of her first questions was, will you come on and do an interview?
	Of course, I declined.
	And I don't know how long it was, two or three years, and we finally relented.
	Carrie interviewed T-Man on radio, and then she got me on a couple of YouTubes and on audio, one of which we can't locate.
	So Carrie and I have known each other for about seven years.
	I was aware of Project Camelot way before that, of course, and I followed some of the interviews, so I was pleased that Carrie showed some interest in us and decided to put our work out there.
	We have, over the years when Carrie wants me to come on and do an interview, we kind of go back and forth, and this is when I prevail upon Carrie.
	I say, you know, one of these days I need to interview you, and which Carrie has always volunteered willingly, and she said, anytime you want to do it, anytime.
	So this is that time.
	But one thing I do want to say, I know this is normally the introduction process and everybody knows Carrie, but I just want to say that Carrie does a lot of good work.
	She's always done it in an honest, diligent, hardworking way.
	She conducts her interviews with integrity, which is something that's kind of missing from journalism these days and investigative interviews.
	And, you know, she's put a lot of people on the map.
	There's a lot of people out there And if you go back and look historically, Carrie is the first one that interviewed.
	So she's made a lot of people famous and possibly maybe the White Hats too.
	So anyway, I hope we're still friends after this interview.
	No, I'm just kidding.
	Okay, so let's get started unless you want to add anything to the intro.
	No, I think maybe I'd introduce you really briefly as the presenter or the host of this sort of session.
	And Paladin, as many people know, is a forensic financial investigator.
	And Paladin, you want to say a few words about yourself in relation to the White Hats.
	Maybe even how you got involved in the White Hats.
	I know I'm not supposed to turn tables here, but we are going to do a later interview, just so everyone knows, about Paladin and the White Hats because we did one many years ago, but it's been several years.
	We also think it might have gotten lost.
	A lot of my audio radio interviews, even though we downloaded the MP3s onto our server, etc., etc., and I pay good money to have stuff safeguarded there, somehow my radio shows, a lot of them have disappeared, and I don't know why.
	And so it may be the Paladin's interview, one of them at least, about what is called Number 48 Disappeared.
	So we're going to bring him on to discuss all of that in the future.
	But before we do that, just so we can kind of clarify who the White Hats are in relation to you, do you want to just say a few words about that?
	Okay, well, if you want to kind of get our story, we finally released it in White Hat Report 36, as far as how we kind of all came together and decided that there was something that we could do, we needed to do, and it really kind of evolved out of the situation with Christopher Story,
	who was reporting on a lot of the things that we were involved with at the time, And when Christopher's story supposedly passed away, and I can go into that story maybe next time, but I eventually prevailed upon some of the guys in the group that we needed to continue with that work, which was basically expose...
	The fraud, the mismanagement, all those kinds of things in the financial system in particular, but some other collateral areas in general.
	So that's kind of what started the reports.
	And we just kind of put the first couple out there just as a test to see what kind of response we could get.
	And I think after the third or fourth one, we started actually then reaching out to other places and people picked it up.
	As I said, Project Camelot being one of the first to actually repost our reports, which kind of gave us a ripple effect.
	And then from there, We eventually released about 47, then we took a break, and then we released a few more last year, three or four, I think, in relationship to Dr.
	Richard Davis's pole mall.
	We were trying to get some traction for him and try to maybe promote what he was doing.
	We ended up not really needing to as the election got taken care of by a few other people.
	But anyway, that was our reason for putting out some last year before the election.
	So that kind of brings us up to date.
	We can talk about other things on the White Hats next time, if that's okay.
	Yeah, that'd be great.
	So, okay, go ahead.
	All right.
	So, you know how...
	When you get up in the morning and you're getting ready to go on your two-mile run or your 10-mile bike ride and you kind of get warmed up, you know, you kind of do calisthenics and you loosen up and get your legs stretched and all that.
	Well, we're going to do that here for our mind.
	This is going to be a mind exercise.
	Are you familiar with Jeopardy?
	Do you know how to play Jeopardy?
	I mean, I don't watch those TV shows, but I've heard of it.
	Okay, it's a game show, and basically what you have is you have categories, and then you are given, as a contestant, you are given the answer, and so what you have to do is provide the question to the answer, okay?
	So, for example, you could say Barack Obama, and the question is, who's the 44th president, okay?
	Okay.
	All right, so this is called Paladin Jeopardy because I don't have any...
	I don't have any money to give you, so we're just going to call this Paladin Jeopardy.
	Okay, so the first category is interviewees, okay?
	And the first answer is John Lear.
	Oh, um...
	Well, who's among the most loved and greatest showmen and, you know, a natural-born performer as well as...
	A very dedicated and brilliant guy.
	Okay, I'll accept that.
	What I have here is who is Paladin's favorite interviewee.
	Okay, number two, Gordon Novell.
	Well...
	I can't really play this game very well, but he's most known for having created a team, which included, by the way, Hal Pudoff, to create an ARV, which is an alien reproduction vehicle, which is something that the military had already done, and he knew it, and he was a CIA agent.
	He finally revealed that to me.
	But he was also supposedly involved to some degree in the Kennedy movement, Not the assassination, I don't think, but the cover-up.
	Okay, good.
	This is a good example of how you go in a different direction than I do, because mine is what Project Camelot interview included a guest who was involved in the periphery of the Kennedy assassination.
	Okay, so that's good.
	All right.
	The third one, Charles or Chuck?
	Oh, okay.
	You're talking about the Charles, the notorious sort of Illuminati supposed whistleblower that Bill Ryan got involved with after he left Project Camelot.
	Is that who you're talking about?
	That is correct.
	Name one of Bill Ryan's first interviews at Project Avalon.
	Okay, good.
	You're doing great.
	Okay, you're good at this.
	Okay, the next category is miscellaneous, okay?
	Yeah.
	Illuminati Central.
	Well, I guess that's a phrase that I used when I was broadcasting from Britain.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	And you got a kick out of it.
	It is Illuminati Central in a sense.
	Yeah.
	How did Carrie describe the location in the United Kingdom outside London during the 2013 Bilderberg Conference?
	Okay.
	The next one, Heathrow Airport.
	Well, I'm not sure what you're trying to refer to there.
	I did run into a whistleblower there who revealed something about the oil spill.
	So that was quite interesting.
	And I don't know whether they've been tracking me and so knew where to find me, or if it really was a complete accident that I ran into somebody who recognized me at the airport.
	And then told me some back-channel information about the whole, you know, Gulf oil spill and how that was a purposeful situation and so on.
	Okay.
	I have named Carrie's favorite airport.
	Well, actually, I like Dubai as well.
	Okay, okay, okay.
	Did they hold you for three hours in customs, too?
	No.
	Okay, so that was a, you're being sarcastic.
	Well, you know, I mean, I actually do like Heathrow.
	I like posh, upscale airports where I can goof off for many hours because obviously I do a lot of flying.
	But yeah, last time they detained me for three hours and the time before that for an hour and a half.
	Both were bogus charges, and then they had to let me go without actually following through with any of their threats.
	But, yeah, it was quite annoying after a 10-hour, 11-hour flight.
	So, they wanted to know why I was visiting my boyfriend in the UK. And they were going to interrogate me about that.
	Yeah, he lived there.
	He lives there.
	So, yeah, I guess that answer wasn't good enough, huh?
	Right.
	Okay, last one.
	Corey Goode.
	Well, Cory Goode has lied about me, so I'm not a big fan of his work.
	He is disclosing some worthwhile information, a lot of which is already out there.
	The Blue Avians is kind of his alone, but it does relate, I think, in a loose kind of way to what are, in essence, an avian or There's so many avian races.
	I mean, you must understand that, and a lot of people don't, is that, call them blue avians or whatever you want, they can be the ibis, which is symbolized in Egypt, and this is why David Wilcock got so on board with the Corey Goode information to begin with, I believe, because he's quite...
	Wrapped up and obsessed with the raw material, some of which is quite excellent.
	And so the ibis is, you know, Toth, obviously symbolized by Toth and so on.
	And there is an alien race that are the avians.
	I mean, there are basic avian, you know, there are the avians, there's the cat beings, you know, Leo.
	There is the You know, insectoid-type beings.
	You can have basic, you know, groupings and then break them down from there.
	I mean, it is fascinating to me that you might say the sort of vast number of species that we have here on Earth, most of which have been brought here, by the way, by various alien races, are sort of in miniature.
	For example, the spiders.
	That are also apparently much huger than that out in the galaxies.
	And these are all races that are here in miniature and some larger than others, obviously, that we have had relations with.
	And I think these are sort of our way of being taught how to deal with all the races before we actually meet the real ones.
	Anyway, I'm just saying that there are many avian races.
	Yeah.
	And didn't John Lear essentially verify that with the spiders in Vietnam?
	Or in Cambodia?
	Was it Cambodia?
	Well, where the exact location might have been, it's either Laos or Cambodia, I think.
	Okay.
	As I recall, it's Angkor Wat.
	So I think that might be Cambodia.
	Yeah.
	I'm not sure.
	But the bottom line is, yes, John and his sort of...
	A person that he really sort of follows his work is Lou Balden.
	And I have invited Lou on the show before.
	I don't think he came on the show or wanted to for some reason, but I'm not sure why.
	And actually, I should extend my inner, you know, my invite again to Lou because it'd be great to have him on the show.
	But he's he's sort of a contactee who's written a few books and is, I believe, still in contact with various races.
	And John likes his material very much.
	He had also referenced the spider beings, I believe, or something like that, perhaps insectoid kind of a race.
	That was part of what was the reason we were actually in Vietnam for the first place.
	And so this was a validation when I came and recently re-interviewed John Lear, as many people will know, and highly recommend that interview, or all my interviews with John.
	I also did a phone follow-up.
	He has a very natural sort of reaction on camera to when I mentioned that I had just come from interviewing Mark Richards for, I think it was the sixth time at that juncture, and he was very excited by that validation coming from another whistleblower.
	So that was cool.
	Yeah.
	Okay, what I had for Corey Goode was name the person who begged Carrie for an interview and she refused him after vetting him.
	So, okay, that gets us through our warm-up.
	Now we're ready to go.
	I'm gonna hit PC history.
	This is Project Camelot history, okay?
	Sure.
	What inspired you to create Project Camelot?
	Oh, well, That's kind of complex, but I can say that I was very interested in getting the truth out, and I had met Bill Ryan and interviewed him as part of a sort of video project that I was doing to break through the glass ceiling in Hollywood.
	I had decided to make a UFO documentary.
	I went to interview Bill Ryan at a conference, which was the The UFO conferences that used to happen in Laughlin, Nevada, that then got taken over by the John Rao Group and are now held in Arizona.
	But prior to that, I guess they were called the UFO Congress, I believe.
	And I think that was the Bill, I think it was Bill Burns who was behind the scenes in that one.
	And at any rate, We connected and then became friends over the internet, and I interviewed him there at Laughlin, and he was representing the Serpo Project.
	And when we ended up getting together in Tintagel, England, which is the former home of King Arthur, or one of them said to be, We were both, well, actually I'm writing this into my book, but it's quite an interesting story in the sense that both of us were very aware there was something going on.
	I can see light beings and I can see light.
	The forms of various beings.
	I can't actually see them, you know, clearly, but I know they're there and I see them.
	I can see them past me.
	Like if I'm talking right now, I could actually see one go by if there was one right this second, but I haven't seen one right now.
	But all I'm saying is that I was seeing these beings around us a lot while we were in Tintagel and I was having past life recall of the time of Arthur and And Tintagel is just energetically the most incredible place.
	It's on the cliffs overlooking the water in England, as many people will know.
	And I have a picture on the About Us page now of Camelot, if you want to see what it looks like.
	But at any rate, I guess intuitively we began to tap into the fact that our coming together was some kind of, I don't know, I don't like to sound egotistical, but Major happening on the ET front with regard to the ETs or the unseen beings and that they were sort of around us a lot.
	And so we kind of became conscious of that.
	And then as we were just driving, leaving Tintagel, we spent like, I think it was a night and two days or something.
	And we both sort of said, okay, well, what are we going to do now?
	Like, I had blown over there so he could show me, you know, power places like Stonehenge and the Stone Circles and Tintagel and so on, and Glastonbury.
	And then I was going to go back to the States, so we just said, what can we do to pool our talents?
	There's obviously a reason we were brought together, and we decided right then and there to create this project, literally.
	And then we decided...
	I was inspired by Camelot because I was having past life recall about Camelot.
	And Bill had been told, unbeknownst to me, by psychics prior to that, that he could possibly be a reincarnation of Arthur.
	He's always denied that.
	And it may not be true, but I'm just saying that he was told by psychics that.
	And I had somehow tapped into that on a psychic level, I guess, and that made sense to me because I was having this past life recall.
	And so we decided to name our project Camelot, but we knew we couldn't put it on the internet as Camelot.
	So I was writing a screenplay.
	I'd written several screenplays.
	Sci-fi screenplays up to then.
	And one of them was called Project Moondust.
	So I knew that the, you know, I'd done a lot of research also on the internet.
	I was working for JPL at that time as a contractor in the communications area.
	And so I, um...
	And I was writing screenplays on my lunch hour because my original background is spending 20 years in Hollywood.
	So I basically said, well, let's put project with Camelot.
	Nobody will think of that.
	And that's actually how they classify black projects.
	They always put project this, project that, as you know.
	And so we made it.
	It was either going to be Camelot Project or Project Camelot.
	And both of us liked Project Camelot best.
	We looked for the URL. We were able to get the projectcamelot.org.
	We weren't able to get projectcamelot.com.
	Someone owned it.
	And so we just said, well, screw it.
	We'll just use.org.
	And even to this day, I don't think we've ever been able to get projectcamelot.com.
	I don't know who owns it.
	We did have a webmaster who stole projectcamelot.net, which we tried to get as well.
	Because we brought him on board and he was supposed to get it for us.
	That was really a stupid, you know, this is in the earlier days of the internet.
	And he actually bought it with his own money, I think, or we gave him the money and he bought it.
	And then he kept it in his own name.
	And then he tried to do a competitive site to us.
	You know, he used to try to harass us.
	And people would go there by mistake.
	So God forbid anyone ever did that.
	But it was kind of a nightmare when that was going on.
	So anyway, I know this is long-winded and kind of roundabout.
	But to be inspired, we both had this sort of desire to get the truth out about the E.T., And the whole sort of scenario of black projects and secret witnesses.
	Again, because I had started my project doing this UFO documentary, and I interviewed people like Rich Dolan, Stephen Bassett and Jim Mars, all at one conference in Hollywood.
	This was before I interviewed Bill.
	And so then when I interviewed Bill, so we were already sort of on this road and Bill knew about the Disclosure Project with Stephen Greer.
	I actually didn't even know about it.
	He'd read the book.
	There wasn't a video or videos out at that time because Stephen Greer, unbeknownst to us, had actually filmed those witnesses, but he Eventually, he put out this information that he wouldn't release those films because they weren't perfect enough.
	They needed to be Hollywood style or quality or whatever.
	And the funny thing about that is that the reason I started doing what I did, which is how Camelot came about, is I picked up a consumer-grade camcorder.
	I said, screw Hollywood.
	I'm going to make my own UFO documentary because nobody will let me make any movies because I was trying to package movies back in those days.
	And so, as I say, I interviewed Bill, and then when I got together with Bill, and we were in Tintagel, I was like the filmmaker, and he was like this Sort of webmaster who had volunteered to do a website for Project Serpo.
	And he did quite a good job on that.
	And because he was the only person doing the website and speaking about Project Serpo as a human, because Serpo initially was nothing but a bunch of written communiques through this guy named Victor Martinez, who had a news group.
	And both Bill and I were invited to join that news group.
	At the time, of course, I didn't know him, but I knew he was the webmaster for Serpo.
	And Serpo became very quickly during November and December of that year, kind of the, this is 2005, the flavor of the month, you know, how UFO stories kind of catch on and take fire.
	So Bill, as the webmaster, became the only representative that you could even talk to about Serpo.
	So he got invited to speak at Law Flip.
	And so I knew that he was, you know, I wrote him an email saying, okay, if you're speaking at Laughlin, I'm coming there, because I was going to do an interview with somebody else at Laughlin, which is Bill Hamilton.
	And my Bill Hamilton interview, by the way, at Laughlin is fabulous, and it's still on the Project Hamlet YouTube channel, and I highly recommend it.
	He was a very turned-on guy, knew all about all of the secret stuff quite early on.
	His wife was being...
	I don't know.
	I don't know what you would call it.
	Abducted or interacted with by reptilians.
	And even reported this in a book.
	I mean, you know, it was pretty gutsy back then to do.
	And he even still works in this.
	He now works actually for them again.
	The secret kind of government, if you want to call it that.
	Or he was last time I talked to him.
	Anyway, so I know I'm kind of going around in a circle here, but you wanted to know what inspired Camelot.
	It was all of these events sort of coming together.
	And I've always been, I was a journalist in college, and I wrote the radical stories for the paper.
	And I also broke a bunch of rules that they were mad at me for it when I was in college at the paper.
	I'm not surprised to hear that.
	And, you know, because I was into, you know, feminism and social.
	I was studying socialism and communism and all the isms and, you know, Marxism, you name it.
	And I was trying to out people and I interviewed Angela Davis and I went and saw Bobby Seale.
	And, you know, I know I'm sort of dating myself, but I can say that in college that kind of was the beginning of my job.
	And then Then I left all that to make movies.
	And so it kind of came full circle when I decided to pick up the camcorder and do my own documentaries.
	Okay.
	So you covered three of my questions when I asked one.
	And we got feedback.
	There we go.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So now did Project Camelot start in 2006?
	Well, officially, what happened was, again, that I planned to interview Bill, and I contacted him actually late November, December, and the conference happened every February.
	So it was in 2005 that I was already...
	I actually already interviewed Robert Sala, who is a whistleblower all about the UFOs flying over the Minot Air Force Base in, I think it's Wyoming or Montana, maybe Wyoming.
	I'd gone to his house and did an interview.
	In other words, I was compiling a documentary and documentary footage.
	And I'd already been to this conference, as I say.
	I'd already interviewed.
	And my UFO documentary is available that I made back then.
	It's called Have You Seen a UFO? And I literally...
	I went around the conference during the breaks and I put the camera in front of the face of the speakers and I said, have you seen a UFO? Because back then I was annoyed that all the speakers would, they were brilliant and they were wonderful.
	We're talking Jim Mars and Richard Dolan and Stephen Bassett, a lot of the usual suspects that you know of today.
	But they never would talk about their own encounters and I thought that was somewhat strange.
	And so I decided I would do a documentary on that because I had had UFO experiences in my life, and that sort of sent me down that road of wanting to make the documentary in the first place.
	So I figured all these other people must as well.
	Strangely, a lot of them kind of said they had a sighting, but they acted a bit vague about it.
	Now I actually think that they had a lot more exposure than they were letting on, but nonetheless.
	Okay, so that covers the history.
	That covers four questions.
	This is the way it goes with us.
	I ask one and you answer.
	You address that one and answer the next three.
	Okay, now we're going to go behind the scenes.
	This is on interviews.
	Who or what interviews were the most difficult for you to get and why?
	To get.
	Yeah, in other words, who are the toughest, if there's one more than others, or if there's a couple, two or three that come to mind?
	Why were they difficult to get and who were they and why?
	Well, see, this is interesting because a lot of people don't realize is that...
	Camelot does not necessarily go seek people out to interview, especially back in those days.
	What ended up to happen a lot of times was that people approached us, and we would have to decide who we wanted to interview.
	So we didn't have so much problem getting interviews, but I can tell you that when we're supposed to interview Dan Beerish, Well, I'm not going to say who, but a very well-known person actually called him up and said, do not let these people interview you.
	And that was in the very early days of Camelot.
	So it was to their credit, Marcia McDowell and Dan Bierisch at the time, who actually allowed us to interview them.
	They actually didn't listen to that person, and so we're lucky for that.
	We actually had some very well-known people also go behind the scenes and tell those Tell people giving conferences not to allow us to speak.
	That they wouldn't appear.
	If we appeared on stage, they wouldn't.
	And so weird stuff did happen like that.
	And still does.
	But I will say that to get an interview, we also had referrals.
	So it's very strange what went on back in those days because people also referred people to us.
	For example, Henry Deacon came to us by, I think I can say, you know, this person named Larry, who I haven't seen or heard from in a long time.
	I don't even know if he's still alive.
	But Jerry Pippen, who I passed on, he was a friend of his and he referred us and so on.
	So I think it's okay at this late date to say that much.
	Trying to think of who was a difficult person to get as an interviewer.
	You know, I don't recall ever having a trouble, you know, where I can say Timothy Goode was very evasive, but he was coming to Laughlin and...
	We got him, you know, he agreed to do an interview with me.
	He wasn't happy about the interview.
	He didn't want to do it.
	It was really obvious, but he was being agreeable.
	See, what happens usually is if somebody doesn't want to do an interview, they just don't do it.
	So it's not like...
	I don't do a big campaign.
	This is the big mistake a certain other person made in thinking that I was doing a big campaign to get them to do an interview.
	If somebody contacts me, which that person did, I will offer, in their case they actually said would I interview them because Bill was interviewing them and wouldn't cover the Nazi situation.
	And they also tried to throw out the fact that David Wilcock was interviewing them, and that was supposed to make me want to jump on board.
	But actually, on the contrary, if someone else is interviewing somebody, that turns me off.
	I'm not interested in duplicating effort out there, which isn't to say I won't interview people that have been interviewed by others, but I'm not as interested in doing that.
	And especially in the early days, That was the case.
	Now we ended up interviewing people like Bob Dean, and we made him famous many times over.
	He says I made him into a rock star.
	He was already well known, but for some reason we really connected and the interviews just kind of hit the roof and went crazy with, you know, they've really gone viral all these years.
	So I'm just, I'm trying to think of somebody, did you have somebody in mind No, I didn't.
	But I just know, you know, we've talked about that in the past, about some of the interviews and kind of the back and forth, whether they're going to come on, they're not going to come on.
	And I didn't know if there were any that I think would just be interesting to impart on the audience that some of the things that you have to go through.
	Through behind the scenes to get these people to come on.
	Well, no, because what happens also is we do have whistleblowers, but they tell us, and that is part of our procedure.
	In other words, we don't push the interview.
	I'm not a pushy person in that regard.
	I actually couldn't care less.
	If you want to do an interview, great.
	If you don't, then why are you contacting me?
	Right.
	And sometimes I'm referred to people and I have to tell them who I am so they can understand why it might be beneficial.
	I mean actually it's kind of funny but the longer I've done this sometimes the less people are willing to do interviews with me because I guess I'm now a force to be reckoned with and because they know they can't get away with kind of murder or whatever And I don't know what,
	but, you know, if somebody came to us, for example, or we were connected or found out about somebody, we would simply write them an invitation.
	If they didn't respond, they didn't respond because that happens a lot.
	Or if they respond, they usually say, well, I can't go on camera because of my security oath, or whatever, or whatever reason.
	I protect my family, etc.
	We're never going to argue with that.
	We would just say, okay, then do you want to do audio?
	Or if you won't do audio, will you do a written interview?
	And that's what we went through all those sort of hoops with Henry Deacon, who contacted us and wanted to do the interview.
	But he didn't want to go on camera initially, and And eventually he spoke at one of my conferences, which you can watch, and it's excellent, at the Time Travel and Other Worlds Conference, which is available on Vimeo.
	But for a long time, Henry Deacon Was under a false name, which was Henry Deacon.
	His real name is Arthur Neumann.
	So he only came out years later, and actually he came out on stage when Bill did a small conference in Switzerland, and Brian O'Leary, the ex-astronaut who was slated to go to Mars, actually had been interviewing scientists around the world and writing books on free energy, etc.
	Henry Deacon saw him speak on stage.
	A group of us I don't know if it's okay to say who, but Cliff High and me, and there might have been one or two other people who I forget, got Henry Deacon to that conference.
	And once he was there, he saw Brian O'Leary speak, and he was very moved by the speech, and he went on stage, and he'd glared at himself as Henry Deacon, aka Arthur Neumann.
	And what happened right after that is I mean literally the day later or that night or whatever is he was invited to come to the Barcelona conference which was going to happen another week or two later and Bill and I were doing a we were holding up sort of a panel discussion you might call it quasi press conference type thing and we were we were hosting that that was part of our job down at at the the conference and And so Henry Deacon
	flew down there.
	They flew him.
	They provided for his lodging and everything.
	And then they wouldn't let him speak.
	And what happened was I... I sort of, when Bob Dean went on stage in, this was at the Barcelona ExoPolitics Conference, and all the footage is online so you can actually watch the evidence of what I'm talking about.
	But what happened was, so this is kind of a whistleblower who initially came out under a false name.
	He wouldn't even let us record him, let alone record him on camera.
	We had to remember everything.
	So all our documents on him in the early days was remembered testimony.
	And that we did run those transcripts by him for his approval, by the way.
	And there's a story to do with that as well.
	But what happens is that he actually came on stage at the end of Bob Dean's presentation at the ExoPolitics Barcelona conference.
	And because I had gone over to him and said, here's your chance.
	Bob Dean's talking about Mars.
	Why don't you go on stage and say you've been on Mars?
	Bob would love to meet you and see you.
	And so first he told me, no, he wouldn't do it.
	And I said, well, you just went on stage with Brian O'Leary.
	What are you worried about?
	And so then I guess he made on, you know, I went back and sat down and then all of a sudden Bob Dean was winding down.
	It was the lunch hour.
	There was a huge audience like 1500 people and Henry Deacon started making his way up to the stage and so I saw him doing that so I figured he needed some moral support so I went to join him and that's basically commemorated forever now on video where you see me and Henry Deacon on stage at the Barcelona ExoPolitics at the end of Bob Dean's speech of which he'd done a wonderful presentation on Mars And Henry Deacon is basically introducing himself as Arthur
	Neumann.
	And he's basically telling the crowd and telling Bob Dean that he worked on Mars.
	And that he would go there on his lunch hours, etc.
	And, you know, he was very shy.
	He's a scientist.
	He's not a public speaker.
	And a lot of people were taken aback by the fact that he was quite so soft-spoken.
	He's a huge guy.
	He's very tall.
	And he's brilliant.
	You know, hands down brilliant.
	And I've known him for so many years now.
	And so what happened was, as a result of him going on stage, the exo-politics organizers and Stephen Greer came and basically told us to get off the stage.
	And they wouldn't let him talk.
	And so the people who could have heard him during their lunch hour didn't get to hear anything.
	He was talked to individually, you know, after that happened.
	But basically what happened was, we don't know what happened between him and Steven Gurr, but something weird.
	I don't know if it was threatened or what happened, but something very strange.
	And he would probably hate me for bringing that up again, but we've documented it.
	It's out there.
	And then what happened was that Bill, Ryan, and I went to Greece from there.
	We were going to interview, I think it was Paul LaViolette, but we also took a short day trip, I think it was, to an island, one of the Greek islands, just for a break.
	And we got a message from Dan Beerish and Marcia McDowell.
	Who had said they were part of MJ-12, by the way.
	And basically, they wrote us this formal letter saying they never wanted to have anything to do with us again, that, you know, this was unacceptable, what Henry Deacon had done, and so-and-so, and they were severing all ties with us and that we better watch our backs, like a threat.
	A threat, literally.
	Like we were the cause of what happened at the exo-politics, you know, thing.
	And on top of it, there was a sort of mini, not quite a riot, but the free energy people kind of ganged up on Stephen Greer at that exo-politics.
	It was quite a memorable event because there was a free energy guy demonstrating free energy with this little thing with water.
	And Stephen Greer was there sort of recruiting free energy guys, but at the same time he was, I don't know, intimidating them in some weird way.
	So there was some kind of flack going on about that.
	Anyway, we got blamed for it by MJ-12, apparently.
	Well, there you go.
	And then, yeah, so it's a long story.
	Yeah, because I've got a lot of stuff to cover.
	Yeah, I'm sorry.
	Okay, now, which, and try to just give me a short answer or short interviews, or the people, which interviews, if it's more than one, two, three, I know you like all of them, but which interviews do you think Ended up bringing out the best and the most information, in your opinion.
	Well, Henry Deacon, Arthur Neumann, Pete Peterson, John Lear.
	I mean, these are the kind of big guys that...
	In Hollywood, we call them tent poles.
	They hold up the rest of the, you know, because I've got tons of people.
	And I can't even, you know, I'm not even going to remember all of them.
	I would say Richard Allen Miller.
	God, you know, there's just so many that.
	And I hate, I don't want to miss people that are fabulous.
	There are so many really fabulous witnesses.
	Duncan O'Finian for super soldiers, of course.
	You know, there's just too many.
	I can't even, you know, go ahead.
	Now, this one is you.
	Which interview or interviews do you think was your best in bringing out information?
	Because I know a lot of times you have conversations with people, kind of just covering the bases and what you're going to talk about.
	And I know there are people that...
	When you get them in there, you want to try to get as much information as you can, knowing that some of them are going to sandbag you.
	So is there any particular interviews that stick out in your mind as you, as the interviewer, pulling out a lot of information?
	In other words, ones that you felt really good about, that you covered everything that there was to cover, and you were able to pull the information out of the interviewee, which I know is always...
	You know, it's a tough job to do when you're doing the interview, to ask the right questions, to click with someone so that they will give you the answers that you're looking for.
	Anyone that sticks out?
	I can say that I'm just, you know, in all modesty, I don't believe in false modesty.
	I'm very good at my job and I can tell when somebody's programmed and giving me a party line.
	So when I interview people, I do interrupt them when they get into this sort of trance, what I call it, it's like a trance-like state.
	And you can actually tell if you're astute when this is happening.
	A lot of people are...
	They just flip the switch and start talking?
	They have a canned response to every question.
	And when that goes on, I mean, William Tompkins, I got a huge amount out of him in a very short time, which is, you know, Rents and other people interviewed him like 20 million times.
	I don't think they got what I got in the three hours.
	You know what I mean?
	Right.
	Right, and that's what I'm talking about.
	Yeah, that kind of thing.
	I would say certainly Bob Dean.
	I think I got the best performance, if you want to call it that.
	I call it performance, because to me, it is a performance.
	You know, I was studied directing.
	I came from Hollywood.
	So I think part of the reason my interviews are so popular is that I see it not only as the interviewer, but I see it as a drama, as an interchange between two people.
	I don't just see it as Talking head and I'm just the facilitator if you want to call it that and because of that some people hate my guts And some people love me, you know, but I am very active and I believe it is an interpersonal Exchange and that dynamic I mean I have ETs feeding me information about the interviewee when I'm interviewing I get downloads I get psychic information about them and Sometimes I'll dream
	the whole interview before the night, the night before.
	You know, so all kinds of stuff goes on.
	And we get all kinds of interference as well by, again, the powers that be with technology attacking us, as well as grace attacking us.
	You know, so there's a lot going on with all of it.
	But where you say I got the most, you know, stuff out of somebody...
	I really, I don't know.
	Maybe you would, the viewer has to be the judge of that.
	To me, I'm very happy with my interviews.
	I don't actually have, I don't know if I have any, but I don't think, you know, I don't, it doesn't come to mind that much where I actually strike out.
	I have had somebody, some guy on, I think it was my radio show.
	I don't think it was video.
	One guy actually got so angry, just hung up on me.
	Well, that was my next question.
	Which was your most disappointing?
	Well, I mean, I will say that...
	What's his name?
	Oh, God.
	You know...
	You have to understand that I've got so many.
	No, I know.
	Okay, so there's a guy, and his name right now is escaping me.
	It's really dumb, but maybe it's better that I don't say his name.
	We interviewed him in Britain, and he worked for the Ministry of Defense, I believe, and Nick I forget his last name.
	Anyway, we did a whole interview with him and we never published it.
	And he got mad at us for not doing, publishing it.
	But he gave us party line after party line after party line.
	And back there, I mean, we just both looked at that interview and said this, you know, in a sense, I couldn't break him.
	I couldn't, you know, get the guy to To speak honestly for five minutes, I'm sorry to say.
	In other words, he was so inundated by working for the government and he still does to this day on and off, I believe.
	And I do understand, you know, I'm sympathetic to him.
	I think actually he's become more forthcoming over the years.
	To his credit, he has written some fictional books that tell more of the truth, right?
	So he became kind of an author and had that outlet.
	But what they do to kind of get into the head of the people working for them and to make them toe the line, I mean, it's pretty incredible.
	So that's also why I am very proud of what I've done in Project Camelot because I believe that I've been able to cut through and get these people to tell the truth Nine times out of ten to me and the public and I can tell you that they have disclosed things they didn't know they would disclose and I can also tell you that I am now in some ways by the Secret Space Program persona non grata although I do
	have my fans out there within that program you know but if they have somebody That they don't want to tell the truth, you know, to tell the truth, who's kind of programmed to give a certain party line.
	They're not going to give them to me.
	Let's just put it that way.
	Because I'm dangerous.
	I'm very dangerous in that regard.
	Okay.
	Okay, now this next section is trips.
	And I'm trying to give everybody, just because I know you don't talk about this a lot in this fashion, but how many countries have you been to travel to during to conduct interviews or to be interviewed or to conduct or attend conferences and seminars?
	Any idea?
	No, but I mean, I've been all over the world.
	And, you know, I did a huge conference in China, for example, in Hong Kong.
	China and Australia.
	You know, so those are the most far away places.
	What about Russia?
	Yes.
	I mean, I didn't do a conference in Russia.
	You know, we interviewed Bariska, and we interviewed Valerie Uvarov, and we interviewed a couple other people there as well.
	I mean, we made a trip to Russia.
	That was, when we did it especially, was extremely unusual.
	And we were very lucky to be able to do that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was great.
	And we got some great testimony as a result.
	Right.
	But I don't have a list of countries.
	You know, you just have to name a country and I'd tell you if I'd been there.
	I can say that I haven't spoken in that many places.
	And, you know, conferences are kind of few and far between and they cost money to put on.
	So, you know, it's a little more limited in that way.
	But we've gone many places to do interviews.
	Okay.
	Now what was your favorite place or country that you've traveled to?
	I don't know how to answer that.
	I can say that Egypt is one of my favorite countries on the planet.
	But I didn't go there necessarily to do interviews.
	I have a lot of past life recall there, and I also have led tours there.
	And I'm actually, in the spring, I'm probably, myself and Maria Wheatley are going to try to do another tour there.
	And if I can bring a few other speakers with me, I will, if we can afford to do it.
	That'll be this spring, the 2018 Right now I'm trying to organize that, I can say.
	I have a love-hate relationship with Britain.
	There's things I love about it.
	I have so much past life recall there.
	So there's some really wonderful things about it, but I also, there's things I really don't like about it as well.
	It's a very dark country.
	You know, it's been quite taken over in some ways by the, well, the black side, you know, the Satanists and so on.
	But I'm trying to think.
	I mean, I love Paris, so I love France.
	I love Africa.
	And I love going on safari in Africa, but these are not, you know, I'm not interviewing whistleblowers in Africa.
	I'd love to, but it's just that nobody ever contacted us from there.
	I know that Bill interviewed Credo Mutwa, but so did Michael Tellinger and I think also David Icke, if I recall.
	For some reason, I never really connected with Credo.
	I'm not sure why.
	I do know there's a reptilian contingent in contact with him, so that may be why.
	I would be happy to interview him, of course.
	You know, what can I say?
	You know, countries of the world are fabulous.
	I mean, I'm a huge fan of travel.
	Okay.
	All right.
	True and false.
	Alright, I'm going to read something and you're going to tell me whether it's true or false and then I'll let you elaborate a little bit.
	Number one, none of the Apollo missions went to the moon.
	True or false?
	False.
	We went there but we had to help.
	Okay, and who helped us?
	The ETs.
	And did they help us get through...
	And William Tompkins, you know, basically documents this very well.
	He's not the only one.
	We were well aware of this.
	Actually, Henry Deacon said that years ago and other people as well.
	I mean, there's so many people that have talked about the ET help that we received.
	I just think Tompkins sort of delineated it also in his book extensively.
	But, you know, talking about the specific help from the specific Nordics, And from a group of Aldebaran who helped the Nazis and then the reptilian contingent and how they also sabotage our secret space program as well.
	So there's no doubt about it whatsoever that we had help.
	Okay, so how did we get through the Van Allen radiation belt?
	Well, again, using the, you know, space folding technology that, you know, free energy and the way that they use propulsion through all of the way UFOs do it.
	Okay.
	All right.
	So why did we stop going to the moon?
	Well, we were threatened.
	In fact, that is also documented very well in my interview with William Tompkins.
	I mean, basically, you know, He overheard, I guess it was John Glenn, I think it is, who basically said, you know, we just landed and there's a whole contingent of reptilians standing here threatening us.
	He said, we're there threatening us.
	So, you know, the bottom line is that the moon has been taken over by groups of ETs.
	I remote viewed the moon as part of a screenplay that I was writing many years ago.
	And I can say that I ended up seeing the glass-like structures that Richard Hoagland would report many years later.
	And I actually saw the beings Creating those.
	They do it with sound and a certain kind of sound and mental connection and possibly light, but definitely sound.
	And there are these hooded beings that are quite tall and thin and diabolical.
	And there are also, of course, the notorious greys that have bases there, like an infestation.
	And yeah, there are definitely I don't even know all the races that are on the moon, but I can tell you that there is heavily contested land there.
	And on top of it, it was a satellite moved into place, and John Lear talks about this and others, and it's hollow.
	I mean, there's just so much to it, but it's also a control mechanism.
	To do with the earth and balancing, for some reason, having to do with our orbit.
	And, you know, I think the Ashianuddin also gets into the purpose behind the placement of the moon.
	But it's completely artificial, so, you know.
	Right, okay.
	Now, the transmissions that were sent back, I think those of us who were alive at that point remember gathering around the TV sets and watching the first, what is it, the Small Step for Man Giant Leap for Mankind.
	Were those transmissions real, or did Stanley Kubrick actually film those in his London studios?
	Yeah, Jay Widener has...
	Actually, from what I understand, he's writing another book about this now, but absolutely.
	There was the whole...
	Stanley Kubrick's side of things, and they had to cover it up.
	I mean, I can even tell you that on JPL, on the lot, there was a rover and there was a whole little rocky area where they used to test out the rover and so on.
	I mean, it's so easy for them to fake the moon, what appeared to be the moon, and so on and so forth.
	Look, you can't show all the ships and all the ETs that are around you.
	It's very difficult.
	So that was the reason that they faked those videos because they didn't show it in real time.
	Look, they won't even show you, you know, people, the flat earth people go crazy over this, but they won't even show you the earth.
	The reason they won't show you the earth is because of all the ships around the earth.
	I mean, they can't show you and still, you know, what are they going to do?
	You know, use that brush stuff to get, you know, brush it out, all of the ships around the earth.
	We are being monitored constantly, and this is just a reality.
	I mean, I look at the night sky and I can see that, you know, the ships that are up there.
	And I can kind of zoom in on various ones.
	I mean, I know that those aren't stars.
	A lot of them aren't stars.
	In fact, sometimes I wonder if at times we're not just looking at a dome that is full of fake stars and craft and so on and so forth.
	But it's going to be like, you know, sort of It would have to be sometimes there and sometimes not.
	I don't believe, I do understand the whole flat earth thing, but from my point of view, it's important to understand that we are in a hologram.
	That there is, you know, I think Ashina Dean just described it very well when she talks.
	She actually does drawings and so you can watch my interview with her, which is quite extensive and hours and hours long.
	But she shows how there's plates, like dinner plates, you know, one right up.
	It's like with one right up above the other.
	These are the dimensions.
	And the planets, a planet is like a system, which is a plane, you know, and it's got density and it's got dimension.
	In other words, a lot of it can be misconstrued and misunderstood as a result.
	Flat Earthers are kind of...
	Their brains are sort of taking all of the dimensions and, you know, it's like looking at something 3D as opposed to 2D. They're kind of 2D-ing it, in a sense, in their mind.
	I do understand why they're doing that right now, especially because...
	Okay, the Earth is moving out of 3D into 4D. So we are now occupying what is, in essence, 4D. 4D is like a flat plane...
	You can envision it that goes endlessly and so this they're kind of like Tapping in on a psychic level and it's affecting their perception and they're sort of seeing it that way now There's lots of anomalies and points that they have made which are good points which have to do with Why if you go to Antarctica they put a flag in each place or something and then the flags don't all come on camera and And there's some problem with them showing that.
	And it's true.
	But I think what's happening more often than not is what they're hiding.
	So they're hiding stuff so you don't see what's going on in Antarctica.
	They're not letting you see what's really there.
	They're not letting you see the structures, etc.
	I just don't think it's so, you know, our reality, even our regular reality, let's call it, What people think is solid and all that.
	I don't see it that way.
	I think if you meditate deep enough and you understand this sort of multi-faceted, multi-dimensional quality of what it is to be human, you don't see it quite, you don't even see reality the same way.
	So I can't explain it, but I I grok it.
	It's really something you need to understand on a sort of a spiritual level, I guess, you know, and a metaphysical level as opposed to some literal, hard, you know, fast, practical level that a lot of people like to see reality as.
	And this is their problem with understanding why they don't see ETs around them, you know, and what it means to occupy other dimensions.
	I mean, I have, ever since I was young, I can go into a room And virtually disappear.
	I've actually had people tell me that they came into a room and they didn't know I was there.
	They didn't see me.
	They didn't perceive me.
	I was there, but they didn't perceive me.
	It's, you know, this stuff goes on constantly.
	And on top of it, The reptilians in various species do have the ability to fog your brain.
	So even if you perceive them like instantaneously, they know it and they can then, you know, sort of shoot a beam at you and get you to basically forget.
	So there's a lot of forgetfulness, let's say, on this planet.
	Okay.
	All right.
	The second true or false.
	Time travel is possible and has already been done.
	And I'm talking about physical time travel, not in the remote viewing sense.
	So in other words, is there a machine or a method where if I wanted to go back to Daly Plaza on November 22, 1963, you could take me there or somebody could take me there and put me there?
	Well, again, we are time travelers by nature.
	So yes, you can go there and yes, you can go there with or without your body.
	Your light body is really best facilitated for this sort of travel.
	But nonetheless, yes, there's a physical, you know, there's a gate and there are many gates.
	And, you know, there are what Henry Deacon called them jump rooms.
	He would go to Mars physically and come back.
	And this is going on constantly.
	Yes, time travel is totally possible, physically or, you know, with your light body.
	And Mark Richards testifies to this effect, etc., etc.
	So, yeah, I mean, you can't envision, you must understand that you can't travel without traveling in time.
	So you're time traveling, even when you don't know you're time traveling.
	And...
	It's just the nature of what it means to travel.
	Okay, so wasn't it Andrew Bassagio who says that he went back and heard Lincoln give the Gettysburg Address?
	Yeah, but he was talking about using a technology to do so, if I understood him correctly.
	And, you know, that gets into a whole area.
	You know, there are some of the people who claim to have time traveled physically through, you know, using the secret space program gates or jump rooms or whatever you want to call these, may not have actually gone where they thought they went.
	And that has to do with sort of mind control aspects, has to do with that they might have jumped somewhere on the planet, on planet Earth, but that the place they jumped was actually a staging place and not the real place.
	So there were a lot of military experiments and I have...
	Delved into this and talked to people and gotten information about it that basically sort of testifies to the fact that these experiments did involve deception.
	In other words, going to a place on Earth that was specially outfitted that had limitations even in the space they went to.
	And They tested it before they actually did it off-planet, let's say, if you want to understand it that way.
	Okay, the next one.
	True or false?
	The Battle of Dulcy never occurred.
	Oh, it definitely occurred.
	In fact, there have been more than one battle in Dulcy.
	But during the Citizens' Hearing on Disclosure, Stephen Bassett put on in Washington, D.C., there was a very important witness that the video interview that Linda Moulton-Hallin and Richard Dolan did with this witness, whose name I don't remember, and I don't know if he's still alive, but he did testify as a member of the, I guess, I think it was CIA back in those days that he was part of an attack on the Dulce base.
	And I can tell you that Mark Richards, that's where his original testimony comes from, that he and his father were part of a group that did attack the Dulce base.
	I can also tell you that Sean David Morton has written a book from a whistleblower And this is one of the reasons he's in prison.
	He's been, you know, caught up in charges to do with the SEC, etc.
	It has to do with the targeting to do with his secret witness that has revealed a lot of very important information in his Sands of Time magazine.
	A group of books.
	And this documents also a battle in Dulce.
	And the Branton material on the web that documents this also and so on.
	And Phil Schneider was part of a kind of an invasion into that area as well.
	Right.
	I want to get to that too.
	Okay.
	True or false, there are human colonies on Mars.
	Of course.
	And the last one, on 9-11, no planes flew into the Twin Towers Pentagon or crashed in Pennsylvania.
	True or false?
	True.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	Now, I want to get into the meat and the potatoes here.
	When I'm answering a lot of these questions, let me just say for the people watching this or even newbies that might be watching it for the first time, everything I basically talk about, my whistleblowers and interviewees have talked about over the years.
	Since I've interviewed over 600 people and since there are over 550 interviews by me on my YouTube channel, And I did around five years of radio shows, some of which are still available on Project Camelot under Interviews Audio if you go there.
	And then there's also the Project Camelot Productions area where you can also get the audios for that for earlier, like 2009 interviews, audio interviews.
	I've been interviewing people a lot over the years.
	I have a lot of testimony.
	What I do is I triangulate that testimony.
	I use three or more individuals who don't know each other and are saying the same thing.
	We have, of course, continued to investigate over the years.
	At this time, I can tell you, on top of my own psychic intuition and experiences, That I know without a doubt some of the things I'm talking about and so you will see me act very Sure of myself, I guess you call it.
	Just because of that.
	Because I am backed at this point by a huge backlog, a library of information that, you know, if you doubt what I'm saying, investigate.
	And it's not only my interviews that are out there in the world now.
	There's just countless others doing the same thing now.
	Okay, yeah.
	And I think that's what I wanted to kind of get to tonight, is bring out some of this information that doesn't come out so easily and give your perspective on it.
	Okay, this section, essay questions.
	So this is you can ramble and ramble and ramble to your heart's content here.
	Now, the first one, I've got four listed here.
	The first one is Mark Richards.
	I have, because I... I went into jail during the O.J. Simpson thing.
	I have had that experience and it's kind of creepy going because, you know, whenever you go inside to interview somebody in jail or in prison, you're actually in.
	You go behind bars.
	You are in there with them.
	It's not like they bring them outside the prison for you to interview them.
	You have to go inside.
	So it's a little creepy.
	The whole thing is just a little creepy.
	And every time I did that in the L.A. County Jail when O.J. was in jail, there's always a little part of you that says, boy, I hope they let me out of here.
	So I know what that is like.
	Is there anything that I know you do your recall with Mark Richards because of the situation?
	when you even have one and paper.
	Is there anything that you haven't told us that you want to?
	And also the second part of this is, how are things different now as opposed to when you started interviewing him?
	As far as a progression, has he gotten more comfortable or has it gotten to a point where it's kind of just leveled off and there's really nowhere else to go?
	So kind of just kind of elaborate because I find your recalls, I mean, whenever you send those to me, I'm on those right away because those are just very fascinating to me.
	Okay, well thank you and I'm glad that's true.
	And I want to say his wife Joanne Richards is doing a fabulous job as well.
	She speaks around at conferences and so on.
	You know, he's really one of the top whistleblowers out there.
	I can say that he is a political prisoner.
	In other words, he is there because the powers that be that want to run the earth Force him to be there, and he stays there, not because he can't get out, which he can, because he would have the ability in a number of different ways, also to do with the raptors, who are a race of reptilians that are now aligned with humans in a positive way.
	And that gets into the material, of course.
	I can say that he could leave prison anytime he wants with their help.
	But he chooses to remain because he has family here on Earth.
	And he wants to keep them alive, number one, including his wife, Joanne Richards.
	And he's protecting people.
	So he is a very principled, good guy, in my opinion.
	And I've now been interviewing...
	I did seven interviews so far.
	And I kind of figured them out.
	They were...
	They're approximately once every six months.
	And it is quite an ordeal to do the interview and to go and do all of that.
	And it's very draining, as you say, going to that sort of setting.
	We go to this prison in Vacaville.
	And I forget its official name.
	I always get it wrong, so I'm not going to say it here.
	But it's a federal prison.
	And he is...
	A medium, I think you call it a medium.
	Medium security.
	Security, yes.
	And, you know, I have to go through all these bells and whistles and thank God his wife, Joanna, accompanies me.
	Actually, I don't know if I have the guts to go by myself.
	Yeah.
	Just because those places give me the creeps, and I have to say that I have a better attitude than I used to have.
	I was really freaked out in the beginning, and I am something of an empath, so I do get kind of physically affected by my environment, and so that made it extremely difficult, and I would be so drained after these encounters.
	Also, the other thing is that You could kind of look at what we're doing right here.
	And if you were sitting like right across from me and I was grilling you, not you asking me, that's what goes on with him.
	In other words, I sit there and sometimes it's two hours and sometimes it's four.
	And his wife just sits, you know, most of the time they like talk for like a minute or two.
	And then most of the time I'm grilling him.
	And he basically is like right on it.
	She brings him something to eat from these microwave oven things and, you know, machines and gets us something to drink.
	And I could eat if I wanted.
	I don't eat and I don't hardly drink.
	But he'll have something, you know, because this is an opportunity for him to have something to eat in the middle of the day or whatever.
	And so he will just answer me right away.
	And he's just very...
	He's also told me, I mean, he's basically reporting to Bobby Ray Inman, who is an admiral, that William Tompkins, by coincidence, if you want to call it that, said he reported to, who's still operational, you know, in the secret space program in a big way.
	And I have invited him years ago for an interview.
	I can't remember how I did it, but maybe it was just like in this kind of form where I just invited him.
	Bobby Ray Inman?
	Mm-hmm.
	But, yeah, just for fun.
	I knew he would turn me down, but that's just for fun, you know, because I like to invite all these guys.
	I mean, I would like to invite all of the generals.
	And, you know, there are certain ones that I know have worked in black projects that other people don't know they have.
	For example, I think it's, let me see if I can get his name, Hastings, I think, was it Michael Hastings?
	The journalist who got killed, the Rolling Stones.
	Yeah, Michael Hastings.
	He was embedded with McChrystal.
	Yes.
	And McChrystal is definitely someone who comes from Black Projects.
	He came from that world before he went to Iraq.
	And I can tell you that I think that's why they killed Michael Hastings, because he really got sort of under the wire and learned things he wasn't supposed to know in a big way.
	And, you know, McChrystal knows it all.
	So, you know, I could interview someone like that.
	I mean...
	These people won't do interviews with me, but of course I have an open invitation to any of them.
	I'd like to interview, I mean, you name it, politicians.
	Right now I'm trying to interview a lot of the financial so-called pundits out there.
	I mean, because I think it's so important to bring this What I know and the world that we know to these people so that they can stop talking on such superficial levels.
	And by the way, I can announce here that Cliff High has now accepted our invitation to do a sort of a roundtable discussion with you and me.
	And it's going to happen next week, I think, on Thursday, if all things go as planned on my show.
	And that, I mean, at first he didn't want to do, so you could say, well, Cliff High was one of the most reluctant interviewees.
	But, you know, I'm not sure why he, you know, was at first reluctant, but I can say that he and I probably don't see eye to eye on a lot of things, so that's maybe one of the reasons he was quite concerned.
	What else?
	I forget the question now.
	Mark Richards.
	Anything else?
	Okay, so has it changed?
	Anything that you haven't told us about him?
	Any progression or flattening out sort of your relationship since you've seen him seven times?
	Any change or anything that's just interesting that you haven't told us up to this point?
	Because I know you do a dump.
	I mean, I remember the first ones you were doing it in your car as you were leaving.
	So just so you could remember it and get it out there, which is great.
	Yeah, it's major.
	Because of the circumstances of doing the interview, Which you basically have to commit it all to memory and then you have to dump it as soon as possible before you forget some of it.
	So is there anything that you haven't told us that you've thought about later saying, oh, I remember this and I didn't put it in the interview section or anything that you haven't talked about with Mark?
	Because I think they're fascinating.
	Those are the ones I get on right away.
	Okay, well, as far as I know, I haven't, you know, forgotten and then remembered.
	And so if I, you know, because I kind of do a double up situation where, number one, when I leave the prison, I always record an audio of my recall.
	And literally, I get into the car, my partner Neil will drive, and I will literally spout off to a recording everything that I remember that he said.
	The next thing that happens is I put it in writing.
	So then I also have notes.
	So I have written notes that I take.
	And usually, like last time, I took notes with a crayon.
	Do they check your notes?
	No.
	Is he handcuffed at all?
	No, he's in a room with a whole bunch of other people with their families.
	I mean, it's a madhouse.
	It's not quiet.
	And we are just sitting on these cramped little chairs.
	They happen to be made for little children to sit on for some reason.
	Don't ask me the fucking brains of the prison system.
	Why they can't give you decent chairs and tables but literally the table is like at knee level and you know we have to sort of crouch and sit in these little chairs and then and tables and we that's where we do the interview it's all in one room with all these other prisoners meeting their families little children are there I guess to some degree I recall them running around screaming and doing things So it's,
	you know, it's quite a hectic situation, but I'm so zeroed in on getting this information.
	And, you know, it hasn't in the sense that he's always bringing forward new stuff.
	And I think he now I'm sort of seeing that he seems to have certain things that he's he told me he's he's getting direction.
	He's getting like what he's allowed to tell me.
	And so I do think now, as it's gone on for a while, I'm starting to get, like, sort of an agenda, a rollout of an agenda, let's say, through him.
	And so he's emphasized, like, when he brought up the spiders in Vietnam.
	That was, like, out of the blue.
	It was the last thing I expected.
	I did know that I wanted to ask him about Vietnam because he had...
	I knew he had written reports about it.
	Joanne sells those reports on her site, which I've read some of, most of.
	And there was a psychic thing which said I needed to revisit that story with him.
	So...
	That was true, but at the same time he also and he did the same thing this time.
	He's actually disclosed like I don't know if people realize the most important things he's disclosing are like now the portals opening and there are infestations happening from various beings coming in through those portals and then there will be a war situation and that it will look like a weather war or it will be They will pretend it's a weather situation.
	Right now I'm investigating and trying to get feedback from him on the hurricanes because I'm sure that they were covering up something to do with the ETs there.
	He's many times said the war in Iraq, the war in the Middle East is all about the reptoids.
	He talks about Africa, this recent Sort of battle in Niger that made the news.
	There's no doubt whatsoever, now that I know him and I know his kind of the telltale signs, if you will, I can tell you that's an ET situation.
	Hands down, no two ways about it.
	Absolutely.
	Those people were killed by ETs.
	You know, see, what are you going to do?
	This is going on on planet Earth.
	You know, and...
	Well, I'm going to give John Brandenburg.
	You know, I interviewed recently this wonderful man, John Brandenburg, and he sent me one of his books.
	He's written a book.
	He's written in another name, Victor Norgard.
	It's known.
	I'm not disclosing anything.
	It's not known.
	It's on the Internet.
	But it's an excellent book.
	It's, you know, difficult to get through in the beginning.
	But once you kind of get into it, it's an excellent book.
	Disclosure document talking about the war with ETs here on Earth.
	I mean, it's wonderful when people Who are so buttoned down.
	Like if you look at my interview with John Brandenburg, he's the one who's talking about there being basically an attack on Mars with a weapon.
	I don't know.
	I can't remember if he thinks it's a nuclear weapon or what.
	But he's very buttoned down the way he talks to me on camera.
	But yet he's written this fictional book which contains all the truth.
	It's got Men in Black.
	It's got, I mean, you name it.
	It's got, you know, everything that you can think of.
	It's got the underground bases.
	You know, this is what's going on.
	And so, again, we have another...
	Validation from someone who is in a position to know.
	Now, he can't come out and say he knows, you know, the real thing that's going on.
	Well, yeah, but they're allowed to put information out as long as they call it fiction.
	Yeah.
	That's how they're able to do it.
	So, okay.
	So, yeah.
	You know, the Niger thing, I mean, come on.
	There's no doubt in my mind that they were watching that real time on the satellites.
	So they know exactly what happened.
	Yeah, they know how the guy died, but they're never gonna say I mean until we have disclosure and you know I have told you this That I have had now two dreams in the last Well, you might say six months telling me that I'm I know it sounds crazy But I'm doing press conferences and I mean this is with the mainstream media and in one of my dreams they show up at my door and Which I keep my actual address secret.
	So this is outrageous that they would actually find me, for one thing.
	But secondly, you know, and I just the other night had another dream about it.
	In other words, disclosure is happening.
	I know the Tom DeLonge stuff appears to be a kind of a disclosure.
	The William Tompkins stuff was backed by the Navy or a portion of the Navy.
	We are getting some disclosure now, more so than we've gotten for years.
	So I just want to say that the gates are opening.
	There's no two ways about it.
	And I've written articles about this saying it's being pushed by the reptilians.
	Mark Richards did say they're pushing disclosure.
	They want chaos on planet Earth.
	They want the humans that are completely in the dark about the ET visitation and even underground, you know, ETs and so on.
	They want these people to, you know, lose their minds and go running around like psychos.
	Actually, I don't think that's going to happen, first of all.
	But second of all, the reason they're doing disclosure is to make sure it doesn't happen.
	Because out of chaos, the reptilians are hoping to take over the world.
	You know?
	These are agendas that these various races have.
	And so...
	Okay, next one.
	Bob Dean, you hit the nail on the head.
	I love all the John Lair's.
	Bob Dean is a close second.
	Can you just give us an update on how he's doing and what's going on with him?
	Well, I can say that I saw him, I guess it was around six months ago, maybe, not sure when, maybe a little bit more.
	And he's, well, he's going blind.
	He couldn't stay up for very long.
	He kissed and hugged me a bunch of times.
	I think he was trying non-verbally to say he might not be here very long.
	He's wonderful.
	I wish I could have him on my show.
	His wife does not want him out there talking.
	I think he has spurts of energy and he's as brilliant as ever.
	David Adair, who's a wonderful whistleblower, and I've interviewed him a number of times on my channel.
	He is in contact on the phone with Bob Dean.
	He's like one of the chosen few allowed to have conversations via phone with Bob Dean.
	And he wanted to have him do a phone thing on the air, but I don't think it ever took place.
	I don't know.
	Of course, I would love to do that as well.
	But so far, it's just not allowed.
	His wife is quite protective of him, Marcia Schaefer.
	So that's the story with him.
	You know, he's 80.
	I think he's 85, if I have it right.
	And he had his birthday not that long ago.
	Well, he was having his birthday right when I was there.
	It was about around six months ago.
	So maybe he's almost 86.
	And What can I say?
	You know, I wish he had lived longer.
	I mean, I wish he could live longer.
	I wish he'd never die.
	I mean, he never will die, but you know what I'm saying?
	I mean, I have sort of, I don't know, you might say a father-daughter relationship with him.
	I really am close, you know, to him on a heart level, let's say.
	He's a wonderful, wonderful man.
	That's apparent to me, too, by watching your interviews.
	I always enjoyed those.
	Okay, the next one is a little, it's kind of timely, given that the JFK assassination stuff's back in the news because of the releases and all this stuff.
	But tell us if there's any stories or any insights you have into Gordon Novell.
	Oh, well, Gordon was, I believe he was killed.
	He went in for a supposed toe injury to the hospital and never came out.
	Prior to that, they had been messing with him big time.
	He was kind of a fall guy for Ron Pandolfi and the CIA. You know, they would kind of use him.
	And he believed heartily in his ARV project.
	He did assemble a huge kind of group of I think Mark McCandlish was part of it, at least for a period of time.
	I don't know if he stuck with him the whole way.
	He had a huge binder he used to carry around that had all the people he was going to work with.
	He gave me a big diagram of the ARV and all this kind of stuff.
	He kind of became like a friend in a way with me.
	He did disclose he was a member of the CIA. They tried to take over our television show.
	Basically, our producer told them no.
	I relayed the phone call to our producer when we were on the set shooting the Shadow Operations TV show.
	As a result, our producer was fired from the show.
	It went on the shelf, basically, of TruTV.
	Then they released it about two years later.
	With no fanfare and no advertising whatsoever.
	Some loyal fans saw it on the schedule and alerted us like 24 hours before it happened.
	So we did a massive advertising campaign through our own website.
	We eventually recorded it, you know, had a recording and put it.
	It is now available on Project Camelot.
	You can watch it.
	It's easy to find.
	It's also linked on the About Us page in case you want to go there and find it.
	So, but Gordon, you know, he was a real character.
	He was sort of like a gangster.
	And, you know, I shot his interview in black and white.
	And then Ron Pandolfi and the CIA supposedly was watched with great amusement in the halls of the CIA, I was told.
	At first, Ron Pandolfi didn't like the black and white, if I recall, and then they decided it was okay.
	I got a lot of flack from everybody, including Bill Ryan, for putting it in black and white, but I stuck to my guns.
	There was a filmmaker who backed me eventually and persuaded other people that I might be doing something artistically interesting.
	It's fabulous.
	I'm very proud of that interview with Gordon.
	Highly recommend it to this day.
	It contains great information.
	You know, he was very notorious and kind of like a wild card.
	He couldn't be controlled.
	He was quite brilliant in his own right.
	And he was, you know, I call him renegade, and he was a real renegade.
	He does sort of tip you off about various things.
	He had a handler in the room when he was being interviewed.
	What?
	I think he's the only one with an obvious handler.
	Yeah, he had a psychiatrist, you know, probably a mind control expert.
	That was off camera?
	Yeah.
	That was in the room but off camera?
	Yeah, monitoring every word he said.
	So when he talks about loving the CIA and, you know, thinking they're all the good guys, and for God's sake, you know what I'm saying?
	Right, right, right.
	No, I mean, he was a real character.
	And I think, you know, that he was, I think in his heart of hearts, he was trying to do some really good stuff.
	I mean, whatever he did in the past, I don't know, but I can say, you know, he meant well, and he was very dedicated to the UFO scene.
	Didn't you do two interviews with him?
	No, I only did one major interview with him.
	I might have done a phone update, but I don't I thought you did too.
	Maybe you just did one.
	I thought you did too.
	But anyway, yeah, it was always interesting because he was sitting there praising the CIA and then at the same time you tried to press him.
	Oh no, I'm not part of the CIA, but I know those guys and they're good guys and all this kind of stuff.
	Well, I mean, it was great because when we were on location in Palm Springs shooting, because you'll see there's a segment with him You know, where he's actually looking at this Venture Star vehicle, which, you know, there's a lot of disclosure in the Shadow Op television show that we did that segment.
	It was a pilot for a series, obviously, that didn't get picked up.
	But nonetheless, it has a lot of good stuff in it.
	And Gordon is on camera there.
	And that night in Palm Springs, he called me.
	And he said, I'm going to be honest with you, because I had teased him relentlessly over the years, basically saying, look, Gordon, I know you're CIA, so don't bullshit me, this and that, and then I would talk to him, right?
	So he finally said, he laughed, and he said, I'm going to tell you the truth, I really am CIA. And then he said, and the company wants to talk to your producer.
	And this was in the dead of night, you know, it was very, you know, kind of...
	X-Files-ish.
	Yeah.
	Well, they try to play their own little games and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't.
	So they're kind of funny guys.
	Okay, the next one and last one on the interviews and then we'll get into some topics.
	I know you've done some updates that concerned Phil Schneider.
	And I know, you know, if anybody knows who Phil is, he was involved with the underground bases and he obviously was probably killed to be silenced because he kind of went out on the circuit and started talking about it.
	Is there anything that we should know about that we found I guess they've done research on Phil and some of the things that he was involved with.
	Yeah, I don't recall there being any great aha moments in that, but it is documenting his information and the trajectory.
	As I think over it, there's nothing there that made a big deal to me.
	I can say that they did have some back-channel verification of the fact that he was killed.
	Okay.
	But I don't believe, I'm not so sure it's in the documentary, but I can tell you that they do, or they did.
	Okay, and this is a good segue.
	Yeah, this is a good segue to get into the topics.
	First one is underground bases.
	How many are in the U.S.? How many in the world?
	Who builds them?
	Who maintains them?
	And are they still being built today?
	Or are they all, you know, they pretty much all finished and just being occupied for whatever reason?
	Well, a lot of underground bases took over for underground cities, etc., that were already constructed by various ET races that occupied the Earth at different junctures in history, including the reptilians.
	So they expanded on those underground bases.
	I call it kind of like a honeycomb, the inner earth or the inside of earth being quite like a honeycomb.
	There's tons of bases, and yes, they're always constructing more and more.
	It's a constant thing.
	They're constantly expanding them.
	And they are using them in all the different countries of the world.
	I mean, some of them are making plans for what we say, you know, of course, Ed Dame's talking about a kill shot from the sun, a CME type of thing that would be like a direct hit.
	There could be, like recently, which is an interesting disclosure happening about the neutron stars, merging neutron stars.
	You might have seen that.
	And they call it, what's it called?
	It's called the kilonova or something.
	I mean, basically it's kind of like an interesting name for this merging to be called a kilonova.
	You know, the waves of energetics that come from that electromagnetic energy, I guess is what you would call it, basically could hit the earth.
	And if they're starting to see that happening out there in the solar systems, then, you know, that could document what Paul LaViolette was talking about, which he called the super wave.
	And that phenomena was supposed to come from the galactic center, according to Paul LaViolette, but it could easily also come as a result of two neutron stars merging or colliding.
	So I'm not sure...
	What else were you asking me?
	I'm sorry.
	Well, just sort of how many...
	I don't know how many.
	That's crazy.
	I know they're everywhere.
	Switzerland, for example, can put their whole population in an underground base.
	That's been documented time and again.
	And I've driven all over Switzerland with Bill Ryan in the early days.
	And we would actually...
	There was notorious places...
	Like doors going into mountainsides.
	So you can kind of find them.
	And they're going into farmhouses and various places like that as well.
	Okay.
	Massive.
	Actually, it's interesting.
	Brandenburg in his book is right now talking about an anomaly, a magnetic anomaly that gives it away.
	In other words, when you're on top of one, you can actually...
	He says there's a magnetic anomaly that reveals it.
	Now, I wouldn't say it's just a vortex because the planet is riddled with vortexes, obviously, which are portals.
	They can be...
	If you get intersecting ley lines, you get a vortex situation, which is sort of a whirlpool effect.
	But you can also get...
	You know, standing portals in certain areas which can be used and sort of extended to become stargates, which would be the man-made side of it, and also the natural stargates.
	So there are stargates all over the place, and especially...
	In the mountains between Iraq and Iran, apparently, they are shifting a set of stargates in that area, and the military has to constantly maintain vigilance over them because various ET races are using them, especially the reptoids, to move equipment, according to Richards, in and out.
	And that equipment includes huge craft that would then pick up thousands of humans that they would then take off planet, eat some of them, and then use the rest as slaves to sell to other races.
	So they have a business abducting humans for these purposes, according to Mark.
	Okay.
	And, yeah, and the next thing, this is always the way it goes.
	The next thing I had here was portals and stargates.
	Are they the same thing, or are they different?
	If they're different, how?
	And do they perform the same function?
	And if not, you know, tell us, explain the differences between the two if there are.
	Okay, well, I'm not a scientist, but I can tell you what I've sort of gotten out of all of it.
	I'm also sensitive, so I can sense when I'm near a portal or a stargate or whatever kind of energetics are in place.
	For example, the large pyramid of Giza is a stargate.
	So my understanding is that you can have a portal or a wormhole.
	It has to have another opening somewhere else for you to go through it to somewhere else, right?
	So it has to connect with somewhere else.
	That would be basically a star, you know, what could become is a wormhole.
	But as far as stargates, my understanding is those are specific to being able to go interdimensional, and they may be...
	They may be sort of, I know this is kind of a weird word to use, but illustrious in some way, over and beyond what just a commonplace wormhole would be.
	And therefore, there are certain specific stargates, natural stargates on Earth, and there's a limited number.
	Whereas there's countless numbers of portals, and even a human is a kind of a portal.
	And so a portal is like an opening.
	It's a whirlpool, a place where, you know, energy resonates and goes in a spiral fashion.
	But you actually have an opening at the other end where you actually go through it.
	And then actually the next step being a stargate is like a whole different level as far as I understand.
	And there are man-made stargates as well.
	I don't understand the difference between a natural one and a man-made one.
	To be honest, I know that we've heard testimony about both.
	Okay, so would these stargates and portals be time travel machines in essence?
	Absolutely.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	I mean, a wormhole would be the extension of a portal that would then have another place where you'd go from there.
	And it could probably branch out into all different places.
	Stargates, again, maybe a Stargate is something that, you know, is open permanently and does go many places.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	Okay, now, this is kind of connected to this.
	Is the Secret Space Program, and what is commonly known, I think you know the new name, and you informed me the other day it's been around for a long time.
	Is the Secret Space Program and MJ-12, are they one and the same, or are they different?
	And if they are, how are they different?
	Well...
	MJ-12 is a body that was put together initially, the story goes, by Truman.
	You know, again, this is information that's come down through various witnesses over time.
	And, you know, this is many, many people testifying to this.
	Now, MJ-12 was initially supposedly 12 people.
	That's how the story goes.
	It was like a governing, you could call it kind of like a governing body or an oversight body.
	And this was again put together by Truman to handle the so-called ET situation on Earth.
	Then they have expanded greatly and I believe in essence they are probably more of a governing body within the secret space program at this time.
	I have also been told that they have their they compete with certain factions For example, MJ-12 and the Navy and the Air Force and perhaps various governments as well, also Illuminati, dark magicians.
	These are like centralized groups that make up what is in essence the secret government.
	And the secret space program.
	But it's how they interact.
	And MJ-12, I don't know how they're configured at this time.
	This would be highly secret.
	But I can tell you where it came from.
	And what is...
	I mean, I even was contacted...
	As I've said before, a couple of years ago, where Mike McConnell, according to Dan Bierisch, if you want to take this testimony as truth, Mike McConnell, who was head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, also was head of MJ-12.
	However, and he was for years, apparently called MJ-1.
	And then Dan Beers supposedly took over for him just in the last couple years, according to Dan.
	I don't have any other verification of that, so I can't tell you whether it's true or not.
	It's interesting that he wanted to tell me that.
	And that came out of nowhere because he, as I said, they turned against us in a huge way prior to that for years.
	So I don't know why he sent me that information.
	Maybe he just wanted it out there or something.
	I don't know.
	But, you know, it's interesting.
	All these people are players and a lot of them also, it's kind of like you might see it as kind of like committees.
	So they can probably be a member of more than one, for example.
	Bobby Ray Inman is most certainly part of MJ-12.
	According to Mark, he's one of the most knowledgeable humans on the planet to do with the ET situation.
	Why that is?
	I don't know.
	Maybe he's just lived the longest.
	I don't know.
	But it's fascinating to hear that.
	His name came to me psychically many, many years ago as being a very important player.
	So when Mark told me that, it just validated what I'd already gotten psychically.
	So I tend to believe that.
	And then when William Tompkins volunteered that he reported to him.
	That was out of the blue as well.
	And that was just further confirmation that he has a significant role with regard to this.
	So he's obviously from the Navy side.
	He's active, I'm sure, in MJ-12.
	And, you know, see, I believe that Hillary is a member of MJ-12.
	Yeah, I was going to say, yeah.
	Do you know any current...
	Yes.
	Have you heard of any of the current members?
	Well...
	You know, they're probably names are not occurring to me at this exact moment, but I can tell you when I meet them and I can tell you or when I come across them, you know what I mean?
	So I simply know.
	For example, I would say that They'll kind of get a kick out of this, but some members of the aviary are probably members of MD-12, long-standing members.
	That would mean that Christopher Green, he's a scientist, Ron Pandolfi, and Hal Pudoff may have been Current or past members of MJ-12.
	You know, they, from what I understand, they have this sort of situation within MJ-12 where, first of all, it's either the Scottish Rite or the York Rite, which runs it, and they switch between the two over, you know, certain periods of years.
	Like, for 10 years, it'll be the Scottish Rite, and this is what we were told by Dan Beerish for what it's worth.
	Now, from what I understand, some of these members, like I think her name is Carol Thatcher, if I have that name right.
	I'm not sure.
	But she was a member of MJ-12, we were told, and I'm pretty sure that was correct.
	You know, in other words, you can pinpoint these people.
	It's kind of like a body, like a governing body they kind of move in and out of.
	And they will be members.
	Of course, huge high military generals often will be part.
	McChrystal could have been part of that, or maybe not.
	Maybe he wasn't high up enough.
	But he certainly was pretty instrumental in some ways behind the scenes in the secret space program, I'm sure of that.
	There are various generals.
	You can probably, you know, find them and figure out who might be in the know By their behavior and their information and so on.
	And also members of government, members of our current government, members of the so-called aristocracy in England.
	The government in England, such as it is, members of that would also be part of MJ-12 From time to time over the years.
	It is interesting in Sean David Morton's book that that whistleblower claimed that he was head of Area 51.
	He was head of the whole secret space program during the 60s and that he was quite a brilliant man and he kind of worked his way up to become the head of it and it's very possible that he was A head member during those years of MJ-12, although he talks about a body of people who run the whole secret space program in the story within a fictional setting.
	But all of that information came to Sean from this whistleblower who claimed to be this person.
	And supposedly by way of the lawyer, I just found out I don't know if I'm supposed to even say this, but that actually the guy who was supposed to be died or hard to find or you couldn't reach him.
	And he actually probably goes interstellar.
	You know, he goes on to other planets and so on and through the gates and so on.
	All I'm saying is that he is talked about in the books in depth.
	And this information is ongoing.
	And Sean has a last book to write From this man and supposedly I found out rather recently that he was still in contact with him.
	Okay, now were you telling me at one point that about half of the MJ-12 were for disclosure and the other half were not?
	Yes, and that's again...
	Can you elaborate on that?
	Okay, well, also I want to say that according to Beerish, and this came from many years ago, but it, I don't know, it sort of resonated.
	So he said that it was kind of like half and half, half for disclosure and half very much against it.
	He also said that it was split down the middle between what, from what I gather...
	The Nazis and the Satanists.
	And that the Nazis are fascists, basically.
	And a lot of, maybe some of these people aren't even Nazis.
	They're just, I don't know.
	They believe in a top-down system, you could say.
	A totalitarian, perhaps a rule of some kind.
	But nonetheless, they, he, according to Birch, didn't even want to be in the same room with the Satanists.
	They found it so distasteful to be around blood drinker type people.
	But of course, the Nazis, the ones that the Nazis that are reptilian, of course, would be the same, have the same proclivity as a Satanist.
	But, you know, Satanists are also, from what I understand, they're not just reptilian.
	They may also be members of this moth-like species, the dragon moths, and so on.
	Okay.
	Now, I think this would be a good time to get into disclosure.
	Okay.
	So go.
	Talk about it.
	Well, I mean, there's a lot going on in this regard now.
	And I've written articles.
	I've also done other...
	Actually, I did sort of my own kind of disclosure video recently.
	I just...
	I ended up, I was going to have Robert David Steele, who's the CIA, supposedly ex-CIA, but the story goes, you're never ex-CIA. Right, that's right.
	And he was also marine intelligence, which kind of doubles that responsibility.
	So he's, you know, he claims to be operating on his own.
	I really don't think he is.
	And he's had to counsel on me twice, supposedly because his lawyer tells him, but it has got nothing to do with his lawyer.
	Obviously, he's getting direction from wherever.
	And I can say that, you know, he wants to disclose.
	He actually, I think he was tasked by going on Alex Jones to say that there were, you know, 10,000 people on Mars who would never come home.
	And there were bases on Mars and that kids...
	We're growing up on Mars and so on and so forth.
	I mean, he did say things like that on Alex Jones and there was a huge uproar and Alex, you know, his jaw dropped and he couldn't handle it supposedly and all this kind of stuff.
	And that's how I actually ended up interviewing him because I saw that And I thought, oh, this is my opportunity.
	Because if Alex can't handle this guy, I sure as hell can.
	So I wrote to him and I invited him on the show.
	Now, he was one of the people that had been most afraid of coming on my show.
	He wanted me to assure him over and over again that I wasn't going to make a fool out of him.
	I wasn't going to do this.
	I wasn't going to do that.
	Because he'd heard horror stories about me.
	And then he had a person...
	Deep in the wilds of the East Coast, I'll say, who supposedly was quite high up, let's say on the food chain of all of this knowledge, and said that I was stellar at what I do and that I knew more than most people on the planet or something like this, something amazing.
	And so he came back to me, he said, I've been assured by a certain person that you are like for real and you're all this and so now I'll come on your show.
	And then he did, and then he was very happy, and now he supports my work, etc.
	But his mandate is not to talk about the secret space program.
	So it's kind of a funny relationship, if you want to call it that, where I have invited him on the show to talk about things other than the space program, but he comes back to me.
	First he agrees, and then he says he can't.
	So what happened was I ended up having him...
	Basically, I found out the news that he backed out like an hour before or less that I was going to do a show with him.
	So then I felt that I couldn't back out of the show and I just needed to do something.
	So I went on the air and that's on my, you know, you can see that video.
	And I talk nonstop for two, like two and a half hours, which is crazy.
	But I'm talking a lot about disclosure, my article about this.
	Actually, I've written more than one.
	And the Tom DeLonge story, the whole sort of the way it plays out where Stephen Greer thinks all aliens are good and that's a lie, but Tom DeLonge thinks they're all bad and that's a lie.
	In other words, you know, and I have to say, you need to be like, are you brain dead or what, when you can't figure out that as above so below and that there's good and bad of all kinds of races.
	You know, so...
	You know, that's what I would say.
	So disclosure, yes.
	As I say, I've had dreams about it.
	I think, you know, I'm never a person who needs some authority figure to pat me on the head and say, yes, that's true.
	So I don't give a shit whether we have disclosure in a sense.
	I don't.
	I've been disclosing now for many, many years, and so have all my whistleblowers, and at great risk to themselves, let me say, some of whom have been killed.
	Like Mr.
	X, like, you know, Gordon Novell, I believe, like possibly even William Tompkins.
	In other words, you know, this is a very, it's not great for your health to be a whistleblower.
	We know this.
	But at the same time, these people do have a mission.
	And it is an important mission to wake up the humans on planet Earth as to their children are being taken, groomed, and put into the secret space program.
	Some of them will go far.
	Some of them will become cannon fodder.
	Some of them will turn into super soldiers.
	Some of them will be augmented.
	I mean, it goes on and on.
	And so disclosure their way, you know, I think if their mouths are moving, they are lying.
	And, you know, I have said that the Tom DeLonge video that you can watch, which I do recommend, that has Hal Pudoff, who is highly respected.
	He worked with Ingo Swann at SRI, was involved in the protocols for military remote viewing, or remote viewing in general.
	He's a brilliant guy, of course.
	Many of these people are good people.
	They are playing...
	Obviously, a lot of those people left their aerospace jobs...
	and their jobs working for you know Supposedly left their military positions, but I don't believe that for a minute, you know, that were on stage with him.
	In other words, they're trying to help move this sort of dog along, this disclosure, because they know they've gone way too far ahead of humanity at this point.
	There's a huge gap.
	You can just imagine.
	They're feeding on us, and the emblem of the octopus on top of the world of the NRO It's the best relationship to understand how they are feeding off of us and that we are their lifeblood.
	And they're not going to be able to...
	They can't continue without you.
	So they need humans, human ingenuity, our talents, etc., our children, to staff their secret space program and to go off-planet We're good to
	go.
	What's different?
	Nothing.
	You know, they drive in a car that's a combustion engine.
	They fly in a jet that's like a tin can and they put you in there like cattle and give you like an inch to breathe for, you know, 10 hours.
	It's horrible.
	I mean, and they give you this horrible food that's just like dreadful.
	I mean, and we drink terrible water and We've got chemtrails over our heads and, you know, they're putting nano into our bodies and, I mean, it's, you know, it's a really, it's a real nightmare.
	But they have the technology to clean it all up to make this place like a virtual paradise if they want.
	Right.
	So, it's time.
	It's time.
	They do have to bring humans along.
	And the aliens who have been visiting us for eons are pushing the envelope.
	The The information coming through from Ashayana Dean is that 2017 is the year that basically what Mark Richards is saying about the reptilians is not only the reptilians.
	There are various ET races that want to do business with us, that want to have open relations with humans.
	They're dealing with us in a secret way, but More and more of this stuff is getting out there.
	Of course UFO sightings are hugely plentiful.
	People are having abductions.
	People are having contact.
	Every day new people are waking up and having more contact.
	You know, it's a huge story.
	They've got to start telling the truth.
	It's hard for them.
	It's really hard.
	In fact, if you watch the Tom DeLogue You know, sort of disclosure video, if you want to call it that, you can see that they didn't know what the frick to do.
	So they're actually lying while they're telling the truth.
	They're pretending like, oh, well, maybe we have contact and maybe we have free energy and maybe we're going to try to create this body to deal with it.
	I mean...
	I've seen quite a few, well not quite a few, but a few YouTube interviews or YouTube presentations where people talk about the Tom DeLonge thing.
	And from the ones I've seen, it doesn't, and I haven't watched a whole lot of them, but it doesn't seem like people are buying the whole thing.
	They're skeptical about what they're saying.
	Well, what does that mean they're skeptical?
	Are they skeptical because they don't believe we've been visited?
	I mean, you know, or are they skeptical because they know we've been visited and these guys are lying through their teeth about free energy and acting like it's the first thing they ever thought of and, you know, just happened yesterday.
	Yes, they're skeptical of the speakers.
	They're skeptical of the In other words, they're not buying what these guys are saying.
	It's kind of interesting.
	It's like, you know, we already know this stuff or you're not really giving us all the information or whatever.
	So I think everybody is skeptical that they're not being totally forthright and honest.
	And I think that's kind of interesting.
	Well, I mean, it's a tragedy when you get that one guy coming up and I forget which one he was.
	And he's talking about one UFO sighting from the Nimitz.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	I mean, how pathetic is that?
	Yeah, that's the point.
	And saying, well, that's evidence of UFOs.
	Good.
	See, it's interesting because, you know what?
	They don't want to come to us.
	They don't want to come to the people who have the backlog of UFOs.
	I mean, Rich Dolan has books this thick on UFO sightings, official ones, you know, ones with very intelligent people that have been, you know, military and ex-military and, you know, I mean, cops and you name it.
	And it's documented by crowds of people and so on and so forth.
	In other words, why don't you cite the true resources out there?
	You know, for God's sake, don't come out there on your own and say there's one sighting.
	It's stupid.
	It's like, why reinvent the wheel when the wheel is already here?
	Well, sometimes I think some of that, and I don't know if this is the case, but sometimes I think they do those just to see what the reaction is.
	You know, it's kind of a test case.
	Let's put this out there and see what the reaction is.
	Just to kind of take everybody's temperature.
	It's true.
	But, you know, to say, oh, we're going to make movies about this.
	There's movies about this now.
	They've been doing this for eons.
	Hello?
	Hello?
	It's like, don't pretend you're the first one who thought of it.
	I mean, give some credit where credit's due, for God's sake.
	You know what I'm saying?
	I mean, even cite Steven Spielberg, for God's sake.
	I mean, whatever.
	You know what I'm saying?
	In other words, and he's very well read in, by the way, and so is George Lucas.
	They know exactly what's going on.
	Sure.
	So, yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, you know, my heart goes out to them on the one hand because I think they're well-meaning guys, okay?
	They really are.
	But someone needs to coach them, you know, and I mean, I'll volunteer myself, but please, you know, get some expert opinion on dealing with the crowd, dealing with the, you know, the masses out there because you certainly don't know how to do it, you know, and you really need to learn.
	So, you know, that's what I would say.
	Okay, one subject that you did hit on, and just take a few minutes, the super soldiers.
	What's the current status?
	Are they still recruiting kids to put them in there, or have they developed some, you know, clones or robots or whatever to take their place?
	I mean, tell us where the super soldier program is at this point in time.
	Okay, well, it would be presumptuous for me to know, but I can tell you that from what I know, The super soldiers are continuing.
	That Duncan was kind of the prototype according to the information we have.
	And that since him, of course, you know, look, you can also look at a Manchurian candidate like what happened in Vegas as a kind of a, you know, it's an experimental, you know, mind controlled guy.
	And in his case, you know, he had a certain mission and they mind controlled him and he carried it out.
	They killed him, as normal.
	You know, in other words, it's augmenting humans.
	Yes, the augmentation is increasing.
	Yes, they are making, you know, Universal Soldier is an excellent movie.
	Putin was right.
	It does, you know, that particular movie, I think it's Van Damme.
	Who stars in that, I think.
	There's more than one Universal Soldier movie.
	They're excellent.
	They show you kind of how it starts with the Nazis augmenting the humans and trying to make...
	In other words, that's one arm.
	Of course, they're also doing androids and creating that.
	Artificially intelligent androids, robots, that kind of thing.
	I mean, this is all part of our world.
	This is something they've been working on for ages.
	They're working on many fronts.
	And you can certainly say that it has to do with, they've got to fight alien races.
	They cannot fight them with just regular humans.
	You can appreciate a spider being as big as a VW bug is going to be a force worth dealing with that comes through a portal.
	There's all these great movies, the Halo series for example, they're all about fighting bugs.
	Bug species of various kinds.
	They're trying to prepare the youth in the best way they know how without telling the truth through disclosure.
	That's how they've done it up to now.
	Believe me, the youth get it.
	If you're a young person and you grow up on this, you're going to realize that there's some truth here.
	It's not just all fantasy.
	And if you just widen your mind to think of all the millions of galaxies and planets, and now they're saying there's billions of Earth-like planets out there, even mainstream scientists are saying this.
	Well then, wrap your mind around all the planets and all the different kinds of species that are capable of being created, whether they're silicon-based or carbon-based, or based on something that we don't even know.
	You know, the gamut is gigantic.
	It's unbelievable.
	It's so important to widen your mind and to understand what we're part of.
	It's juvenile and stupid beyond belief to think that we are alone in the universes or as a species created.
	Unfortunately, religion has put blinders on people for ages.
	And it is a control system.
	And it's done its job through the eons.
	But it's falling by the wayside now.
	You can be spiritual without being religious.
	Anything you want to say about clones?
	Because I know there's a lot of...
	There's some...
	Well, according...
	I asked that to Mark Richards recently to get some clarity on what he thought about it.
	I mean, of course, there's information.
	The Russians have been building clones.
	I mean, this clone thing has been going on.
	They've said, you know, supposedly tried to replace members of Congress and government with clones.
	It is said that Hillary had several clones, for example, operational during her run for office because she couldn't physically handle the strain.
	Right.
	Very possible.
	It's even said that, well, Mark Richards hinted that Putin has probably been cloned and that this version of Putin is a nicer one than he said the original.
	How can we prove it?
	I don't have proof on that level.
	I can say there is evidence.
	You can show their physicality and all of that.
	It's hard to say, but I can say that it's certainly something they would try to do.
	You can appreciate that.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And you hear about this periodically.
	I mean, people talk about it.
	And they usually try to cite where, well, this person, it's a famous person or it's a politician where they were in two places at one time and the way they did that was because of the clones, but I've never seen proof of that.
	So I just wondered.
	Well, I mean, there's a guy, I forget his name, and I did invite him for an interview, but I think he's never responded.
	And his name is escaping me right now, but he's very well known for talking about clones.
	He talks about You know, amphitheater is full of clones doing Roman type, you know, blood rituals and all kinds of weird shit.
	All I'm saying is, he sounds like he does have some knowledge, that person.
	But how much can be substantiated, you know, and how?
	It's kind of like everything in this sector.
	I don't have a lot of witnesses who can talk intelligently about clones, which is why, for one thing, I'd invite him on the show.
	But, you know, it's still...
	I think it's possible.
	I mean, one of the things they say about clones is they don't last.
	And Mark Richards said, it's very hard to transfer all of the nuances of the history of a human into their consciousness.
	So they have gaps in their knowledge, which kind of give them away in certain circumstances.
	So their use, let's say, if you're cloning a person who's known, is maybe limited.
	You can only kind of strut them out for a public reason.
	I mean, now they're saying Julian Assange was possibly killed and cloned.
	There seems to be some physical anomalies, but I wouldn't say that's for sure.
	I don't know.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now...
	We're all told that there are three superpowers essentially in the world today.
	USA, Russia, China.
	What ET races or support each country?
	And are there any other countries where there is a lot of ET influence at this point in time?
	For example, maybe North Korea.
	Well, First of all, in my latest disclosure from Mark, I did say to him, and I write about this, I said, in essence, it appears that we're really already at war with North Korea and that they just pretend they're about to start a war, but it's already going on.
	And that it is, in essence, with the ETs that are backing North Korea.
	And he had already said in previous interviews that North Korea was having the guts to come forward the way they were to the world because of the ETs that are backing them.
	He would not tell me what race of ETs it is, so I don't know.
	And I think, to some degree, he's told me, for example, that the Reptoids are backing China, and he said that the Reptoids also have gotten involved with Japan, or some of the Japanese sort of upper echelons,
	and he's also talked about their infiltration in Russia, and there's also the infiltration Within the British monarchy as well as the American government.
	So they infiltrate various governments and they do it from, perhaps, I don't know this for a fact, but I can imagine.
	Because we know, for example, the race from Aldebaran looked very Nordic, but it's very possible their actual makeup, you know, they look humanoid and all that kind of thing.
	Blonde, blue-eyed, tall, and all that, but at the same time that they may actually be a bloodline that's more reptoid than anything else, or reptilian.
	The reptoid, when I say reptoid and when Mark refers to it, is a human-reptilian hybrid.
	So apparently they are extremely one of our arch enemies, if you will, on planet Earth at this time.
	There are reptilians that are friendly and that are good and there are also even Draco I think some Draco that may not be as diabolical or as bad as they appear to be although most of the time when I ask Mark about the Draco and other people the Draco seem to also be one of the more diabolical races Certainly the spider beings are
	a problem, and I was told about that from another whistleblower many years ago, that they were coming to Earth and they were more of a problem.
	I think the way they disclosed that to me, they were covering for what Mark told me more of the truth about, if you will.
	So, you know, I have to take the information I get and I have to sort of discern and gel it all together To make a through line.
	And when there are anomalies or there are contradictions, I have to acknowledge those and be aware that somebody may be telling me, let's say, a part of a truth.
	But they're also maybe wrapping some disinfo in there and so on.
	So it's not an easy job.
	And I'm not claiming that I'm correct in the way I do it all the time.
	But I have a very good track record.
	At least...
	In getting, you know, reaching a conclusion about something or understanding something from a number of different places and then getting further confirmation that comes to me through other channels and so that you could call as a kind of verification.
	So that's kind of all I can say about that.
	And really, I mean, you kind of have to use your own discernment in the end and you have to do your own research.
	And there are a lot of good people out there disclosing information.
	I think most of them, the ones that I see out there, especially, you know, the most well-known, are a lot more guarded than I am.
	I'm much more willing to go out on a limb telling you what I've heard and what I know as a result than others are, especially when it comes to the sort of negative ET side of the equation.
	Well, and that's why I like a bunch of your interviews, but I always enjoy hearing you interviewed because you are a source of information that a lot of it comes to and through.
	And so I think you're in a good position sometimes.
	Being able to put it all together, discern it, sort of dissect it, if you will, and then come up with an idea of maybe what's the closest.
	Thank you.
	watch your the interviews where you are the interviewee you always bring out information that is not out there because you in essence connect the dots and you're able to discern a lot of the information and make some sense with it when you regurgitate it back to question so And so that's why I always wanted to interview you so I could try to pull out some of this knowledge that you have that never gets imparted because we all get bits and pieces.
	But there's no one that really sort of puts it together in a story, if you will, so that we can make sense of it.
	You know, we have this piece here and this piece there.
	And you're like the puzzle solver who can take all these pieces of the puzzle and make sense of them.
	So that's why I always enjoy listening to your interviews.
	And I'm, you know, I'm hoping that I'm able to bring some of that stuff out tonight.
	That was why I was looking forward to this.
	Well, these are good questions, the way you frame them.
	And I can say that nobody's asked me quite in these ways the things you're asking me the way you're asking.
	And it's true.
	I'm kind of at the mercy of the person who asks the questions, as all interviewees are.
	And it is important that the person interviewing has sort of an open mind and an ability to ask a good question and that's in my opinion that that's a much more rare quality than most people realize so I appreciate you know your efforts here and I think that whoops what did I do anyway I think that you know it's it this is a good exercise so to speak and I'm happy to try
	to connect the dots and You know, I think that what happens is people are always trying to safeguard their reputation.
	And I don't care about that.
	You know, my philosophy is that, first of all, I'm all about the truth.
	And I do believe there is truth out there.
	And I think that, you know, I kind of test it myself.
	I find something out and I sort of say, okay, this is a premise.
	And then I wait to see if something will come in to the left or right of that.
	And then even when it does, I sort of add it to the equation.
	And I don't believe in throwing, I guess the saying goes, the baby out with the bathwater.
	In other words, just because there are some contradictions in the testimony of various witnesses, it doesn't Deter me from being able to link up the pieces that do make sense.
	Maybe it comes from the years in Hollywood.
	I think it was Albert Einstein or someone who said, the real gauge of intelligence is imagination.
	So if you have no imagination...
	You're not very intelligent.
	And you're also not able to connect dots.
	Because when you connect dots, it's not because you have this piece of information that dovetails with this perfectly.
	It's because you have a piece here and a piece here and a piece over here.
	And if you can make the leap, you know, the intellectual leap.
	You have to have courage, you know, bottom line.
	And a lot of these people are trying to safeguard their reputation, trying to appear to be scholarly or whatever they're doing.
	And it's nonsense, you know.
	There are some things that are so obvious at this point.
	And if you take those premises, you know, we're not alone.
	We're being visited.
	Okay, who are we being visited by?
	You know, it's not really that difficult, you know, I don't think.
	And then start to use your imagination.
	You know, if you were God, would you only create one species?
	Would you be that stupid?
	No.
	You know, you would create zillions.
	Why do we have zillions of kinds of spiders?
	Zillions of kinds of snakes?
	Zillions of kinds of humans?
	Why do we all look different?
	Et cetera, et cetera.
	In other words, wrap your mind around that.
	And then go as above, so below.
	Right.
	And, you know, you'll have the story.
	I'm not a genius, you know.
	It's really, it's not rocket science, actually.
	No, I know.
	But these are the conversations that you and I have in private when, you know, we haven't talked in a few weeks or a few months and you've gone overseas or you've been out doing your thing.
	And we get back together and we get caught up and I tell you what I know and you tell me what you know.
	And we go through the question and answer period, you know, with ourselves.
	And there's always some insight that you give me on certain things that I hadn't thought about.
	So, I mean, it's just fascinating.
	And that's what I, you know, I hope that I could bring some of that stuff out tonight.
	OK, we're we're approaching two and a half hours.
	So I want to wind down.
	I do have AI on the list, but I think if we're going to be talking to Cliff next week, maybe we should save.
	That will enter into that conversation, I think.
	So I think we'll save that one.
	So I've got a couple more questions, two or three more questions.
	These are kind of more Earth-based, so we're kind of going to come, we'll kind of power down here and go for some easy ones.
	The first one is Antarctica.
	What the hell is going on in Antarctica?
	Many years ago, Project Hamlet was given a document that was quite thick called New Berlin.
	And it was from a whistleblower who had actually...
	He was German, I believe, and he...
	The document came through MUFON in Germany, I believe it was.
	And maybe I'm not supposed to say that.
	I can't remember.
	But anyway, it's so long ago that it doesn't matter.
	But at any rate, they didn't have the guts to release it.
	And they were...
	You know, this kind of thing went on with Camelot a lot.
	I mean, there are people...
	I would have been told many times...
	If you interview me, you're going to be putting your life in danger.
	People have said that so many times to me.
	And I'm really the go-to person for if you think that, you know, the person's going to get killed for disclosing, then come to me, you know, because I don't give a shit.
	That's just my attitude, and it was Camelot's attitude from the beginning.
	So...
	To get back to New Berlin.
	So New Berlin was one of those documents.
	We released it in total on our website.
	We had it translated...
	Well, it was sort of in...
	I guess it was in German or something.
	And it had to be translated.
	I'm not sure what happened exactly with it.
	It's on my website, so you can look for it.
	But at any rate, that person then contacted me a few years later.
	Because he went into hiding.
	The guy who wrote it.
	And...
	He claimed he was in Antarctica, that there was a base there, that he was programmed, that he was kept there as a prisoner, that he escaped.
	I don't know if his story is true.
	I know that there were very strange anomalies within his testimony, that he got sentences like backwards.
	There was a lot of difficulty making your way through the document to make any sense of it at all.
	A lot of people thought he was completely out of his mind.
	But I think there was truth there.
	I just think that he was mind controlled in a massive way and was breaking down.
	You know, the programming was breaking down.
	He did come forward a little later.
	He told me he had finally kind of made his way back because he was kind of like a madman for a long time.
	And I think he couldn't even get a job and was on welfare or something crazy.
	And then he kind of like made his way back to the real world.
	And then he had...
	He kind of communicated with me, and he thought he might come forward, but he never did.
	I can say that, of course, because of that, and also because of testimony that we got through the ages, or through the years, we knew that there were, obviously, the Nazis had a base down there during World War II, and all of this was validated by the testimony of William Tompkins, again.
	So, you know, there's been tons of, you know, clues that there was something going on in Antarctica.
	And there's clues that there's actually a huge underground base there.
	And there's a huge probably underground city.
	And that there's various races.
	And one of the things I was told by...
	One of my whistleblowers, not that long ago, maybe a year or so ago, he said that nowadays, because of the surveillance technology, a lot of the ET meetings, like off-planet meetings with government officials, secret government officials, and some of whom are part of your normal government, are taking place in Antarctica because they're out from under the surveillance technology.
	So...
	You know, and there's an aspect to the Nazi occupation and then also the fact that, for example, John Kerry went during the election.
	Like, why the hell would he go to Antarctica during the election?
	That's like such an anomaly.
	You know, and other things that led one or can lead one to believe that there is some kind of governing body Now, I have been told that by a certain whistleblower, who has actually gone to Antarctica as well, that they do a lot of, you know, space travel goes off from Antarctica, and that they are also doing communications from there with other planets.
	Again, I guess out from under the surveillance system, Network, if you want to call it, that kind of inundates a lot of the countries on Earth.
	And I imagine the North Pole has some aspects of that, because the North Pole has also supposedly got a portal, and there are spacecraft going in and out constantly, and there's a doorway into inner Earth there.
	And what's his name?
	Oh, God.
	Bird.
	Admiral Bird?
	No, um...
	You know, there was an expedition that was supposed to go there.
	Oh, I know.
	To the North Pole?
	Yes.
	And first, then the guy died, and this guy took over who's a scientist who I've had on my show before.
	His last name is sort of like Booth or something.
	Can't remember right the second.
	Anyway, he's a cool guy and he was taking over and then suddenly he dropped the whole thing and went silent.
	And there's no doubt whatsoever.
	He was just told, forget it.
	You're not going there.
	But they were going to film it.
	Camelot reported on it.
	I mean, it just went on and on and it was supposed to happen.
	Of course, it never did.
	So, you know, there is a lot around the top and the bottom of Earth and what may be going on there in those places where In essence, it's hard to prove or disprove anything.
	You really need a whistleblower.
	And the only real whistleblower we've had, of course, is the New Berlin guy.
	But the Nazi documentation and the Admiral Byrd's story Documents it to some degree.
	And then, of course, the William Tompkins blew the whole lid off it.
	And then, of course, Corey Goode apparently jumped on that bandwagon and was disclosing things about Antarctica as well.
	I understand.
	And so on.
	So what can I tell you?
	You know, there have been great videos that came out of Russia that show Antarctica and kind of reveal stuff.
	Russia is a lot more open about the whole ET thing.
	Always has been with their people, basically.
	So it's kind of interesting.
	So what can I tell you?
	I know that there was something under the Kaaba in Mecca that was a technology that was taken out from under there and shipped by, supposedly, I was told, by actually more than one person.
	And it did make a certain news item.
	I think it was Circafall or whoever it was, but other places as well.
	And it was shipped by sea and that it was accompanied by, if I recall, a Roman Catholic priest from Russia.
	Now, why that guy had to accompany it, I don't know.
	And what it was and what they were doing with it and why it went to Antarctica, I don't know.
	But it supposedly did, and there seems to be enough smoke there where the fire is probably pretty accurate.
	So there's something going on about that, but I don't know what...
	Now, I do think that there is a governing body down there that is calling the shots right now on planet Earth in some form or faction.
	And I do think that Marduk and the Anunnaki...
	are here.
	There are various factions of the Anunnaki and that Marduk has come to Earth and is somewhere.
	I don't know whether he's in Antarctica or whether he's in Africa as it did appear for a while he was.
	And I don't know how much control they really have but they certainly are trying to exercise control.
	They also have to deal with going head to head or toe to toe with the reptilians under the Vatican that are running the Vatican.
	And a lot of other factions as well now.
	And then, of course, there are the good ETs that Ashana Dean is talking about, which is the guardian races that her books center on that I always recommend.
	And I have been in touch with them myself.
	I've gotten downloads.
	I traveled to India with her.
	I was able to anticipate things she was going to say before she said them.
	I seem to be tapped into such a degree.
	I had some great things happen there that were kind of great anomalous kind of experience type things and we did create a what is in essence a sort of a Stargate portal and I was part of that group doing that there and you could really see the energy creating something I can tell you it was quite amazing and you know there's a lot going on with stuff like that humans are very capable Well, yeah.
	And I think, you know, one of the things that got everybody going last year about Antarctica was the Buzz Aldrin tweet that went out and then it got deleted.
	And then the next thing we know, Buzz had a health issue.
	And I think take him to New Zealand or somewhere South Africa or, you know, somewhere close to save his life.
	So anyway, it's, it's, it's been, you know, a so-called health issue is, you know, I mean, the person is threatened.
	You can imagine under these circumstances as well.
	So what makes it out and then gets disappeared and so on and so forth.
	Um, It does seem...
	He's not the only one who's come back from Antarctica, kind of saying...
	It's kind of like, you know, Joseph Conrad's The Heart of Darkness, where Kurt says, you know, the horror of the horror.
	Yeah.
	You know, the famous film made by Coppola.
	Anyway, all I'm saying is that was one of those situations.
	It's very possible there are races...
	Who are now contending to try to interact with Earth that are horrible to look at, certainly.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Now this is an easy one and a quick one.
	Who built the pyramids in Egypt?
	A race of beings that I think are related to the Anunnaki, from what I understand.
	Okay.
	And what was the purpose of building the pyramids?
	Well, one of the things is that the main pyramid is actually sort of, I think of it as a fulcrum that balances their energies on Earth.
	It is like this, you know, this incredible weight that actually balances the Earth on some metaphysical important way.
	But it's also an ascension gateway.
	And it's also where the doors to a mentee.
	In the center of the earth are located, which has to do with, again, ascension and going through out of this dimension and into others.
	So, you know, there's that.
	I think the Sphinx was initially a tribute and a sort of, I guess you might say, Sort of, I don't know, a tribute to the cat beings.
	I'm not one who thinks it is Anubis or related to the dog beings.
	I think that that is disinfo.
	And I can say that there were actually two cats.
	That much has been revealed through various whistleblowers, and I think Graham Hancock would acknowledge that at this time, although I'm not sure.
	But there is evidence, lots of evidence of this, that there were supposed to be actually two, and that perhaps between the two, there could have been a Stargate as well.
	So, you know, This is the kind of thing that goes on.
	We are not as young as they make it out to be here on planet Earth.
	There have been many seedings of humans.
	This seeding has supposedly become qualified Earth as an ascension planet and that this seeding will ascend.
	Some of whom will ascend relatively soon.
	Maybe in the next 10 to 15 or 20 years.
	And then others will follow.
	For a long time, it wasn't an ascension planet.
	So that seems to be a new state of affairs for planet Earth.
	It also may be why we're being visited by so many various races now.
	You know, the gloves are off.
	We are part of a galactic community wholly and completely at this point.
	And what comes along with that is understanding that You know, you have to deal with these various races.
	You have to make peace with them, negotiate, etc., and so on.
	Okay.
	And related to Egypt, do you think that before Caesar and his guys burnt the library at Alexandria, they got everything out of there?
	And if you do, what was in there, if you know, if you have an idea?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, I do think that a lot of what was in the Library of Alexandria went to the Vatican.
	There's, you know, and is underground in the Vatican at this time.
	I'm sure the history of, you know, the labyrinth, for example, that basically tells the story of the comings and goings of Nibiru, for example, and the sort of the actions, warlike actions of various Races interacting with Atlantis, for example, and the cataclysms with Atlantis.
	Apparently there was more than one that eventually sunk that island into the Atlantic.
	You know, so in other words, there will be a huge history there, probably documenting.
	In a sense, it's like the Game of Thrones, the real Game of Thrones here on planet Earth.
	That's the kind of thing that it would tell you.
	It would tell you where these races come from.
	It'll tell you the lineages and so on.
	But I can say that Ashiana Dean's books do delineate a lot of this information out there in an amazing way.
	And it's not an easy read, but I highly recommend it.
	And again, the PDF can be gotten.
	They're both on my front page.
	If you go scroll down on the right-hand side.
	And the second volume that has been released relatively recently with some add-ons dealing with 9-11 and various things are there.
	You know, so it's fascinating stuff.
	And It is.
	We're having help.
	We have a lot of very amazing, loving races out there that are also sort of fighting the good fight on our side, trying to keep this human genome alive and well and this experiment ongoing on planet Earth.
	But it's a battle.
	It's a battle.
	Yeah, okay.
	And this one, you know, this occurred to me the other day, and I'm sure somebody has talked about it, but when it occurred to me, I thought, you know, Carrie's the one I need to ask about this.
	Is there any relationship between Hurricane Harvey and the Harvey Weinstein scandal from a psychic or spiritual level?
	Hmm.
	Well, that's an interesting question.
	I mean, I understand the similarity in names, but, you know, the pedophilia story is a story about the reptilian influence on our genome, for one thing, because we have a reptilian brain, as you know.
	And my understanding of this seeding of humanity is that they brought in the reptilians And there were other seedings of humanity that didn't have the reptilian DNA, and they basically wouldn't defend themselves sufficiently.
	They were too placid, and they weren't aggressive enough, so they didn't survive.
	So when you have a predatory species after you, you need to be able to fight back.
	So we do have that as part of our genome.
	And so I think that that's what's going on here.
	You know, what can I say?
	Okay.
	I just wondered because that popped into my head the other day.
	I don't, you know, the Harvey and the Harvey, you know, maybe that's a synchronicity.
	Maybe there is something to do with, you know, it's very interesting the way languages and the way It crops up and Cliff High does this with his web bot.
	He surfs around to find out who's talking about what and so and so forth.
	You could think of human history as a sort of a spiral.
	That means that it's not just circular.
	We're not repeating history.
	We're actually going up a rung, seeing it from another vantage point, but we're going through a similar sort of section.
	And by the same token, language, energetically, will reflect its time.
	So in that sense, that their timing is similar, the triggering and the name relationship between Harvey and Harvey, it may not be so accidental.
	I can use the death of John Mack as an example of this, because...
	A certain person who's trying to stay off the radar, I'm not going to say their name at this time, but had told us that the day John Mack died in England was supposedly hit by a car, which was probably a murder, but nonetheless, there were like, I know this sounds crazy, but there was something like four or five other John Mack's who died the same day.
	Really?
	And, like, what are the chances?
	They're astronomical.
	So there's something going on with regard to this.
	You know, again, we are a hologram, and there is this fractal nature of the universe, you know, that Nassim Harriman goes on about.
	And that may be to do with the hologram and the fractal quality of That you do get these things coming to the fore at similar times that have sort of a through line that relates them, right?
	From the very superficial to the much deeper level.
	And, you know, so it's worth thinking about.
	It's probably more of a philosophical question, you know, to answer.
	Maybe quasi-philosophical, spiritual, than sort of a nuts and bolts relationship.
	Okay, that's all I have.
	I don't know if there's going to be any questions.
	If you want to take questions from some of the listeners, that's up to you.
	Okay, well, I appreciate this.
	I think I'm going for a really long time, and I don't think, you know, it's not that great to...
	To keep going forever and ever.
	I don't know if there's anything here, like any big pressing.
	I don't see any huge questions.
	First of all, they have to be in all caps, so I'll never see them here.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I'm looking.
	Well, okay.
	And we've gone for quite a long time.
	Could you give us, because I'm really finished.
	I appreciate this opportunity.
	I've been looking forward to it since you agreed to it, and we set this time up.
	So I appreciate you giving us this time.
	And I'm going to turn it over to you and let you do a wrap-up.
	Tell us what you think is going to happen in the near future and what our long-term prospects are.
	Okay, my cat's getting restless now.
	And so he's saying it's almost over.
	Actually, you know, I don't really have a wrap-up to say.
	I mean, I appreciate all the questions and I hope that my answers have been sort of stimulated more conversation and thought.
	And I think it's great fun to talk to you.
	I think We can go in the future and delve in, as I said, more to the White House history.
	We're going to be talking to Cliff High about the monetary system, the cryptocurrencies, how quantum and AI may factor into all of that, what it may all mean.
	We did invite Bix, but he declined to be part of this particular organization.
	So that's okay.
	I am inviting other people at this time.
	I think I put an invite out to Jill Salenti.
	And if you want to name some other people, there's also Lynette.
	I forget her last name, but I've invited her for an interview.
	She's talking a lot about the crypto.
	And the changeover in the currency scene.
	So, you know, there's a lot coming up in the future.
	And I do want to say that tomorrow at one o'clock in the afternoon, I'm interviewing, let's see, Helen, wait, sorry, I'm Mary Helen Hensley.
	And she has a fascinating story of a life death experience where she was in a terrible car accident.
	She was psychic and she had downloads and she wasn't exploring her gifts and she believes that the car accident was created in order to get her back on track.
	Since then, she has been utilizing her gifts and she is healing people and so on.
	She'll be on the show tomorrow, so that should be a fascinating show.
	So actually, I don't have any kind of wrap-up.
	I just want to say, you know, I think that the information is out there.
	The truth is out there.
	And it really behooves us at this time as humans to be as courageous as possible, to bring the truth out to each other and to...
	to everyone and to stop the lies you know that are poisoning our planet and creating bad weather because humans do create weather and the weather wars notwithstanding as well so you know it's a huge story and we're still exploring it and that's our job and we have many people who are doing the same thing so I want to thank you Paladin for coming on the show and for Asking me,
	you know, everything under the sun here.
	And I hope that people have enjoyed it.
	And so I guess we'll just wrap it up and say thank you and good night.
	And thank you, Carrie.
	I appreciate it.
	All right.
	Okay, so take care.

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