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May 30, 2017 - Project Camelot
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REVERSE SPEECH WITH DAVID J. OATES & JAY WILDER
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Thank you.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here tonight in the UK.
And actually, we put this show together very rapidly.
So it's a last minute ad.
And we were hoping to do a show for quite a while.
But as it happened, David John Oates is one of my guests.
And he's actually in the UK.
He's about to fly back to the US.
And then I'm about to go on tour here on Thursday.
so there was very little time to grab this show before I left town and he, so to speak, left town.
So we kind of slipped it in here, so bear with us, and I'm going to bring the guys on here on the screen with you here, and we're going to hope for the best with the audio.
I think we sorted it out.
So I want to introduce Jay Wilder and David John Oates, and Let's see if I can get this right.
Who's on the right and who's on the left?
So we've got someone with a, you know, sort of an elephant.
That's me.
That's Jay.
Yeah, that's me.
That's Jay.
I'm currently living in India.
I'm from the U.S., but I moved to India a year ago and I live in Southeast India.
Oh, lovely.
Okay.
And then we've got David John Oates on the other side of the screen.
Great.
Waving at you.
So, it's great to have you guys on the show.
Certainly been following your work many, many years ago on Art Bell as it happens.
So, obviously, I guess my reference to you goes back to there and From there, we can kind of bring me up to date, so to speak, and my audience as well.
I'm not sure.
I'm sure people are following you anyway.
What I want to do here is, because we were sort of a last-minute ad, I want to introduce you guys, or have you introduce yourselves, as it were, if that's okay, because I simply don't have all my...
So why don't we start with David John Oates and then we'll follow with Jay Wilder.
Just introduce yourself and give a bit of background to why you started doing this.
Okay, well I'm David Oates and I'm the founder of Reverse Speech.
I've been doing reverse speech for 34 years now.
And the basic theory I'm proposing is that language is bi-level, forwards as well as backwards.
And as the human brain is creating the sounds of speech, it's putting those sounds together in such a way that we're saying two messages at once, one forwards and one in reverse.
We'll talk about that more as the show goes on.
I live in Australia, as you can probably tell from the accent.
I have a fairly busy therapeutic practice where I use reverse speech in working with clients.
All my work's done over the phone or Skype.
Let me see, I'm a grandfather and a couple of good grandkids running around the place who are fascinated by Grandpa's office.
And yeah, so that's me.
Okay, and...
Jay, give yourself a bit of an introduction and also how you guys connected with each other and why you're involved at all in this very interesting pursuit.
Absolutely.
Well, my name is Jay Wilder.
I'm from the U.S., as I was saying before.
I've moved to India.
I moved to India for spiritual reasons.
And boy, 40 years ago, I had an experience where I popped.
I went into the light.
I experienced I was a light being.
And that's changed my whole life.
I've been a business owner before that and really was only interested in business.
But that was such a profound experience.
So it started me...
Shall we say, looking under rocks, going down different paths.
I've grown and learned a lot, but you know what I came to realize is that it comes down to what's in our subconscious mind.
Because I know a lot of enlightened masters here in India, and they've got messed up lives and personalities.
So just the light itself...
There needs to be more.
There needs to be a really healthy subconscious mind.
So in January of 2017, this year, I met David.
David did a group call.
And I've done a lot of things.
I mean, I've done all the California stuff, East India stuff, South America, Egypt, a little bit of UK things.
Point is, I've seen a lot of things, and I was really impressed with the results I got from the reverse speech.
So Dave and I teamed up.
I started doing everything he offers.
He has one-on-one sessions.
I'm still in the process of doing that.
We're in, what, our second month, third month.
And when I say working with David, I mean specifically using reverse speech.
Like first thing David had me do was when we were doing one on one work, was send him a list of things I want in my life.
Well, I don't know if David ever made me like me.
I sent him four or five pages.
I have a big appetite.
And I would talk about those while David recorded me and just in a natural conversational manner.
And then David took the next week to play them backwards and to analyze them.
To hear what I really believe on that 90% and all scientists say oh we only use 10% of our brain but mother nature doesn't waste anything that other 90% is being used that's our subconscious mind and that's really what That's what has to be in alignment with what we want in our life, with our conscious mind.
Otherwise, chances are it ain't going to happen, no matter how much positive thinking you do with the 10%.
You've got to get that 90% in alignment.
David, going through my reversing speech, what I was talking about I wanted in my life, Man, he came up with some gems.
Every session we've had, I've had some pretty significant, like, oh, you know, yikes, that really makes sense, you know?
And then David has developed, he calls them meta walks.
That's like a metaphor, and a walk is, David is from Australia, so it's like he's in the Australian walkabout, spiritual quest.
So he combined those two to invent the word meta walks.
And it's a short 9 or 10 minute guided imagery meditation which makes no sense to me how and why it's as powerful as it is.
But the subconscious thinks in pictures and in fact David has put together a whole dictionary of about a thousand different words or something like that.
How many?
It's over a thousand now.
That means something on the subconscious level.
It finds where the discordant is or the ambiguity is between the conscious mind and subconscious mind and then writes one of these metawalks that talks to the subconscious and can change your core programming.
So, since I started in January, my business has changed, my love life has changed, my finances has changed, my health has changed.
Very good.
You can tell I'm enthusiastic.
Yes, absolutely.
What I want to do is just interrupt for a moment just to have you move a little more center stage because you've got yourself kind of over to the, yeah, and I think the elephant behind you is wonderful, but I'd like to see you.
Okay, great.
Thank you.
That's excellent.
Quite a good overview there, Jay.
Let's go back to David for the moment.
And David, could you talk a little about this being your life's work?
The effects that David, you're having, you're bringing Jay into your life and you're kind of helping him in this very fascinating way.
Do you feel that you got your own help initially?
In other words, by going through this experience somehow you had some kind of huge revelation that sent you on this path and also did you use your own tools on yourself?
Oh boy!
Multiple questions all at once!
How I got on this path is actually quite an amusing little story.
It happened 34 years ago and I actually dropped a tape player in a toilet bowl And when I pulled it apart, tried to dry it out with a hairdryer, and somehow I pulled it back together wrong, and then I played backwards.
And so I had this completely useless Walkman that I've kept for whatever reason that I did.
And then a few months later, I heard about Satanic Messages in Rock and Roll.
If you can remember back in those days, 30 years ago, it was a big controversy back then and I got out this little backwards walk one and started looking at some of these records and was quite shocked by what I was finding.
Oh, gee, this is all very interesting.
And then I accidentally stumbled across a phenomenon in human speech and And, you know, music is a little hobby, but to suddenly find the back of messages in speech puts a whole different twist on it.
And so I started researching speech.
I wrote my theory in 1987 about reverse speech, languages by level.
As far as me personally, oh my God, reverse speech has changed my whole life.
I do a fairly regular session work with one of my practitioners in New York, a chap named Wayne Nicholson, and whenever I've got a significant decision or business move to make, I will do a round of session work with him.
I mean, it's just such an amazing tool to get in touch with the unconscious, not only the unconscious, but the collective unconscious.
Reverse speech will tell you whether the business will be a success or not, whether this next move is the right move to make or not.
It's what we call the still small voice inside, and that's what we're tapping into with reverse speech.
So in 1987, I wrote my first book.
I wrote The Theory of Reverse Speech.
I've written five other books since then.
I'm on my sixth book.
I'm writing it right now.
And I find myself in the position of being a founder of a whole new technology that is very helpful to people and people find amazing.
So that's very gratifying to me, if that makes sense.
Absolutely.
Well, it's certainly fascinating and thank you for that.
So what I was wondering is you just said that it actually can tell you if something's going to be successful and I'm assuming that the way you're looking at it is that it's the intention of the person to make it successful and In other words,
it's not necessarily telling the future so much as revealing what the person really wants, and if they go follow those things out in a kind of comprehensive, very cohesive line, then they're going to get what they want.
Is that how you're looking at it, or are you looking at it a different way?
Well, it's more than just looking at their intentions.
Yes, you will see their intentions.
But see, with reverse speech, it's happening into the universe with consciousness, which exists outside of time and space.
And many reversals will look into the future and tell you whether this event, what you can expect to see over the next few weeks or months.
And so, yes, it will just be your intentions.
It'll be your motives.
It'll be your patterns, whether you're going to sabotage the success, which many people do, unfortunately, and if you will, how you'll go about it, and it'll tell you whether the venture will be a success or not in the future.
There's a whole category of reversals that I call future tense reversals that look into the future and give what I believe to be valid insights.
Okay, so you believe in a sense it's not just dependent on the person but you think somehow involved in reverse speech because it taps into what you're considering the subconscious which taps in therefore to the universal mind, that it's then looking ahead in time?
Sure, exactly right.
Yeah, well, why don't I play you a fairly dramatic example of this, which I'm sure all your listeners will relate to.
This is the JFK inauguration address, and you'll be quite amazed at the reversal that occurred in this very famous speech.
And so what I'm going to do is I'm going to play this for you forward.
Let's see how my levels are here.
The slow undoing of those human rights to which this nation has always been committed and to which we are committed today At home and around the world.
Okay, so that's from his inaugural address.
I'm going to run it backwards.
I'll run it at three different speeds.
See if you can hear him say, head is hitting the car.
And again.
Did you hear that there?
Yes, yes.
Very well.
Into his future, because we all know that famous scene from the Supervia film where he was shot in the head, and this is what we call a premonition or a look into the future.
And there it is in his inaugural address in 1961, looking ahead into 1963.
Now, that gets straight into deep reverse speech theory, which I normally don't go into when I first started the interview.
But I generally like to start with a little bit simpler than that.
But, yeah, that gets into deep reverse speech theory.
Well that's actually lots of fun and quite fascinating.
Okay, what I want to ask you is, in your own life, have you already, it sounds like you've only been, maybe correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't quite catch exactly how long you're dealing with David and his reverse speech, but in your own life and the use of it, have you found any of these sort of forward-looking prediction type things going on?
No, not so much.
I have not been interested in that.
I've been busy just really coming to understand my past and how my beliefs have been shaped in my life.
But as far as how long, I'm in my fifth month.
Okay.
This is January.
And I remember, oh, the second or third month, somewhere in there.
There's a pretty big community where I live here.
It's called Tiruvannamalai, Southeast India.
Pretty big community of...
People from America, all over.
We have restaurants and we hang out and whatnot.
I went in for breakfast one morning.
There were some people I knew quite well.
I've been coming here for 10 years.
They looked at me and they said, Jay, you look so different.
What's going on?
I've gotten that kind of feedback, but I can't say that I knew something was going to happen and it unfolded, but You know, it's not an interest of mine at this point.
I go more towards what you first did, Kerry, which is that what I'm intended now is going to shape what comes into my future.
So I want to get clear on what am I intended now.
What do I really believe on a deep level that I may not even be aware of that would sabotage me in the last minute or whatever.
Alright.
So, David, what I want to ask you along these lines is then, if you're looking at Jay, to me it's sort of an interesting dynamic because I got both of you guys on the show.
You kind of approached me together and it all worked out.
But it sounds like Jay's only been doing this for, as he says, five months.
So now what I'm wondering is, how is it that you two aren't on a show together?
Did you have like a very strong connection?
Because David, you've been doing this for many, many years right now.
So how is it you kind of teamed up and all of that?
Well, I just started up a new affiliate program.
I'm not much of a promoter.
I'm a very good presenter.
I can present reverse speech very well.
And I've always had the marketing people working for me.
But every team of marketing people I've had...
Well, we won't go into the sad story.
But let's just say that it worked out.
And whilst I'm a researcher, I need to be a marketer as well because I've got to promote my work.
And so a few months ago, I started up an affiliate program as a different way of getting the word out there, seeing the marketing people weren't working.
And Jay was very interested in the affiliate program, and he's run with it.
I think we're good to go.
He loved reverse speech.
He got great results from session work and he's got a marketing business around and he approached me and said, would you appreciate my efforts?
I said, absolutely, I would.
Go for it.
That was it.
Excellent.
So now what I guess, you know, I want to get some examples from your work, obviously, and I think that that will be very good.
And if you'd like to kind of back up and go a little bit slower, that's fine with me.
But before we do, just wanted to ask you, Have you done things where you tried to test your own intuition first?
In other words, did you consider yourself an intuitive kind of person when you started out?
And were you testing your own, you know, and you had an intuition about something and then you did the reverse speech on it and found out were you finding yourself accurate or not?
And did you have an exposure at all like that?
Oh, I see.
Well, yeah, back in the later days of my research, in the earlier days of my research, I didn't really know what revert was.
It's a whole new field.
There's been no research done on it at all.
And I didn't even think about intuition or what I could do for many years down the track once I started to put all the pieces together.
And, I mean, if you can look at me as a young Australian with no linguistic or psychological background, and I suddenly started this whole new world of...
I've analysed speech in reverse, and it took me many years to work it out.
But, you know, I'm pretty proficient with it now.
And, yes, it has validated my intuition.
I think that my intuition has got a lot sharper over the years, certainly using reverse speech the way I do.
And, I mean, just by listening to the taste, you're downloading information from the youngster's mom.
And my intuition is a lot sharper now than it was in my early days.
Okay, so in a case...
Okay, so it could be, in a certain sense, it's actually a tool where people can use it to sort of use some, get a certain amount of validation.
You know, we go through life And we don't necessarily get evaluation of, you know, when our instincts are correct and when they're not, when they're off.
So it sounds like maybe this is also a good training tool in that sense.
It might be interesting to use it like that.
Okay, so do you want to show us some examples of how...
Yeah, let's backtrack to what I call reverse speech 101.
Okay.
Some very simple, basic, straightforward examples.
Okay, so I'm going to play you a very short clip of Angelina Jolly.
Okay, so let's run this one forwards.
I grew up kind of very aware of my own emotions.
So she says, I grew up very aware of irony of ocean.
Now I'm going to play this clip backwards.
It's a small section of the backwards at three speeds.
Listen very carefully.
See if you can hear what she's saying backwards.
Okay, here we go.
I'm very aware.
What do you hear?
I'm very aware.
Yeah, exactly right.
That's what she says backwards.
So forward, she says, I'm very aware of my own emotions.
I grew up kind of very aware of my own emotions.
Backwards, she says, I'm very aware.
I'm very aware.
So we call that a congruent reversal.
She's saying the same things backwards as she says forwards, okay?
So let me see if I can find an incongruent reversal that's not going to upset people.
I've got a lot of incongruent reversals on politicians, but it depends on your political leanings, whether it's received well or not.
Okay, let's do another simple congruent reversal.
This is New King.
It's an amazingly badly written bill.
He says amazingly badly written bill, and backwards he says the real bad bill.
The real bad bill.
Okay, so now let's move on to something a little bit more complicated.
This is the Incongruent Reversal.
This is Hillary Clinton on the campaign trail.
And you know what?
It also matters when he makes fun of people with disabilities.
Calls women pigs.
Back what she says, and I'll scam you.
And I'll scam you.
And I'll scam you.
And let's play the whole lot backwards, and you'll hear the gibberish, and then this very clear verse will just jump up out of the gibberish.
Here we go.
You hear how that just jumps up out of the gibberish there?
I'll do that again.
Yes.
And so that's what I'm doing.
I'm running the taste backwards and I'll hear the gibberish and then I'm looking for those little gems to just jump up out of the gibberish.
So this reversal is what we call an incongruent reversal.
She's not being totally honest in what she's saying.
So, of course, the incongruent reversals on politicians are very easy to find.
Imagine so.
Yes, they are.
Some of them are funny.
Here's Joe Biden, former Vice President, praising the troops.
You're the most capable warriors in the history of the world.
There has never, never, never, never been a fighting force as capable as you are.
Here he says, you chicken.
You chicken.
Sometimes they're quite amusing.
Well, okay, let me just stop you right there, though, because this does raise a question, or a number of questions.
So he says, you're chicken, and yet he's just been praising the troops.
The question is...
Is he talking to himself and calling himself chicken for not maybe speaking more of the truth that he meant to say in reference to the phrase?
Or is he actually calling the troops chicken?
This is a matter of interpretation, wouldn't you say?
Oh yeah, exactly right.
That's a very valid question.
That's a very valid question.
Is he talking to the troops or is he talking to himself?
See, in reverse speech you get a lot of internal dialogue.
The word you, spirit, speaking to your conscious mind.
So the you chicken may not refer to the troops.
In part of that, I think you're actually right in this case.
It refers to himself.
He's comparing himself to the troops and saying, no, I'm a chicken.
Or his conscious is saying to him, you chicken.
Yes, it absolutely does.
One thing that I notice, you know, because from my point of view, I don't know, you know, where you're coming from exactly, but we're multidimensional.
And so we also operate on many levels at once, and not only on the verbal level, but our minds are often going ahead of our speech.
Some people can do it easier than others, but they can be actually operating simultaneously on, you know, in other words, thinking at the same time they're talking, but their thinking process is different than what they're saying.
Absolutely, absolutely.
You see that in reverse speech all the time.
And reverse speech is also multidimensional.
It's coming from many different layers.
You can have the conscious mind speaking, thoughts you are actually aware of having at the time of speaking.
And then at a deeper level, you get down to the unconscious.
Well, actually, the subconscious before that.
Well, my best gets into theory.
But then you get down to internal motivation.
What's driving you to do this?
I mean, I'm doing this because I was beaten up at three years old, or I'm doing this because I believe in my own power and creativity.
And so you'll see both motives and motivations and agenda.
And then when you get even deeper still, you're getting down to poor unconscious behavioural patterns.
Why is it driving you to do this?
Why are you running this repetitive pattern all the time?
And when you get down even deeper still, then you're getting down to the voice of the spirit and the soul.
And that's where it gets very wonderful, where you can tap into that still, small voice within.
So, yeah.
I'm sorry if I interrupted.
No, no, that's absolutely wonderful.
And yes, I'm sure great for people to hear.
So I wanted to bring Jay on just briefly here because, Jay, I'm sure this does sound like more of what you're exploring, at least at the present time.
And I did want to address very briefly just saying you may not be trying to get something about the future, but it doesn't appear that you necessarily can help yourself.
If something's going to come through in your speech about your future...
It's not up to you necessarily.
It's going to come out.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, so you may not have come across that.
I've never even thought about it one way or another.
It's just never crossed my mind.
All right, well, here it is.
Tracy just said, if you want to predict the future, create it.
But, you know, this has opened the door.
I mean, I'm going to actually...
I'll talk to David later on about...
It's like, wow, I'm kind of wondering why I've never done that, but it's just been the way it's flowed, you know?
It's been kind of organic in a certain sense.
I understand.
Well, there's Cliff, people watching my audience will be familiar with Cliff High, who has a web bot that then says that human beings are naturally precogs, basically, and that we are, in essence, talking about the future.
It's in our speech.
It can be detected, and There are traces that come out, you know, you might say it's percentages of what may happen, the likelihood of one thing over another and so on and so forth, and this is in part what he does.
So, just wanted to ask you one other question about this, and that is, when you're listening to yourself back and so on and so forth, are you Getting messages that you can actually determine,
this one seems like it's coming from my higher mind, this one seems like it's coming from my unconscious, this one seems more of a universal mind, this is more of an observation on the outside world, etc.
In other words, are you finding yourself sort of dividing these things up?
Oh, yeah, sure.
Yeah, look, I've spent years categorizing reverse speech.
Yes, it depends on the...
You can tell my level by, A, the languaging it uses.
If it's speaking in straightforward everyday English, then it's generally coming from the conscious mind.
If it starts speaking in metaphor and archetype, then it's generally coming from the unconscious mind.
The unconscious thinks in pictures or metaphor.
Yeah.
You can also tell by the tonality too.
Reversals coming from the conscious mind are generally robotic sounding and as they get deeper they become very melodic and they also become clearer too.
Let me play you a reversal.
This is coming from the deep mind, well, from the spirit, actually.
This is a reverse speech analyst who's got money problems.
Quite a profound reversal.
Let's listen to this for us.
Does it further for us to put more energy and money and effort?
You're frightened, lean on me.
You're frightened, lean on me.
Now that is his spirit talking to him, using the word you.
So he's speaking back to his conscious mind, saying, look, you're frightened.
I know you're frightened, but lean on me.
Trust in me.
This is his still, small voice speaking to him.
So when you hear the words you or your, it's generally the spirit speak to the conscious mind.
So it depends on the languaging and the tone of clarity.
There's the multiple factors that I teach in my training classes how to determine what part of the mind is speaking to me.
Okay, what about the notion that that man, I don't know if that was a speech to other people, but he could have been saying that subliminally to other people.
Well, he was talking to his tape recorder about his own problems.
There was no one else in the room.
So I assume...
I see.
Okay.
So context, in other words, context is important.
Right.
Absolutely.
Okay.
Yes.
Fair enough.
So over to you, Jay.
Just wondering, has this happened to you?
Are you partitioning or trying to partition, seeing which is coming from where in your consciousness?
This is all news to me.
Nope.
Oh, all right.
I haven't gotten into this at all.
All right.
Very interesting.
I take all of this in my training courses.
I see.
Okay.
David does have a six-month training course.
The next one starts in October, and he goes into all of this in detail.
I've been more of just a consumer, really, to tell you the truth.
All right.
So, David, you have to take it now because you've certainly demonstrated it and I think some people are aware of what you do.
Do you have some really up-to-date ones or ones that you think would really wow the crowd here that's standing by?
Oh, sure.
Some up-to-date ones.
Okay, well, let's look at some up-to-date ones.
Political reversals, for example.
Here's the current situation in North Korea.
Here is the Defence Secretary talking about North Korea, General Maddox Maddox.
This collaboration we're confident will continue to provide for the security and prosperity of our nations and the region.
He's talking about the region of North Korea.
battle for nukes.
That's a reversal because to win this war, that hasn't started yet, but the reversal is pointing to war, making sure but the reversal is pointing to war, making sure that in the battle for nukes, we will win or seal the battle for nukes.
Fascinating.
Absolutely.
So that's certainly current.
What else have I got?
Well, you know, Trump, there's a lot about Trump out there right now.
So have you done Trump?
And what would you say have you got some good ones on that?
Yeah, well, Trump's an interesting character.
He was very congruent in the election campaign.
And All for America, for example, this is back to the election campaign.
Absolutely.
I mean, I don't notice Swedish people knocking down the World Trade Center.
And I came out very strongly against the mosque being built virtually across the state.
And so did I. You and I were on the same page.
Okay.
And he says, America now.
Oh, now...
It was all about America, and he was very congruent through the campaign.
What he said backwards is what he said forwards.
Now, that changed when he got into office, but he had to play another congruent reversal.
He was talking about Hillary Clinton and the emails.
When he gave up that email thing, he said, here, Hillary.
And you know what?
That was orchestrated by the Democratic Party.
Here he says backwards, Hillary, let's see this email.
I'm not going to say congruent reversal.
He's saying the same thing backwards as he is forwards.
But when he got into office, his reversal started to change.
For example, here he's talking about Mexico making a deal with America about the wall he wants to build.
What's the difference?
I want to get the wall started.
I don't want to wait a year and a half until I make my deal with Mexico.
And we probably will have a deal sooner than that.
And by the way, Mexico has been so nice.
And Harry says backwards they will not deal with us.
So that's in congruence.
He knows that we're not going to see Mexico make a deal for the wall and he knows it.
So he's talking forwards about making a deal, but backwards he's actually denying it.
And here he is.
Tell me if I'm going too quick here.
No, absolutely.
No, you're great.
You're doing great.
Go ahead.
All right.
So he just had a great meeting in Saudi Arabia, okay?
And he's talking about Saudi Arabia in glowing terms.
We're also looking at the potential of going to Saudi Arabia.
And frankly, Saudi Arabia...
And here he says, you're pathetic, full of sorrow.
And again.
Now that one, the yaw in this case, this is a conscious thought, he's not too happy with the Saudis, is what that tells me, yet he was in Saudi Arabia just last week giving a glowing speech about how wonderful the Saudis are, but yet in here we see him differently.
Can I ask you, where was he when he gave that reversal?
In other words, was he talking to them directly?
No, he wasn't.
He was in Washington.
He was in Washington.
Talking about his upcoming trip.
I see.
Interesting.
So, well, that one I would have to say is a bit borderline if he wasn't necessarily looking at them when he's speaking, because it sounds like an observation, right?
You are full of sorrow.
Now, that can be towards yourself, or it could be towards whoever you're looking at at the time.
There could have been some people in the room that he's referring to, or it could be this Saudi indeed.
That you're actually very...
Correct.
You took all the right questions.
Wow.
Yes, indeed.
That is a problem.
Okay.
And what I teach my students on how to solve this problem is you look at, well, reverse speech comes in what we call clusters.
You'll get batches of four or five reversals at once and you'll get done for three or four minutes and you get another batch.
And so the reversals and clusters usually relate to each other.
They're all connected.
So you can often tell by another reversal in the cluster that's going to help you determine is that you or is that you someone else or the context of the cluster, the forward dialogue like a sentence before or a sentence after which I don't have in this clip.
Right.
Yes, very good.
So playing a clip like that, yes, I agree, it's ambiguous.
You're the first person who's pointed that out.
That's very good.
Well, you know, I'm very interested in, you know, I deal with people all the time and I... I have a great deal of perception in terms of, you know, are you going to reverse the speech?
But nonetheless, I tend to be quite intuitive when I'm dealing with people.
It's part of my job.
You know, I deal with whistleblowers, and I need to know if somebody's telling me the truth or not.
So I have my own ways, my own methods.
I'm not using reverse speech, but I certainly have other ways.
And I try to be as fair as possible when I'm listening to someone saying, Who's telling me a story to see whether they're telling me the truth as they see it, the truth because they've been told it and they believe it, or the actual truth of what actually happened, that sort of thing.
Right.
Well, with reverse speech, you can determine that.
Well, not for one or two reversals.
You need a greater context, but you can determine given a good Cross-sectional reversals.
And see, all I'm doing here is I'm just playing soundbites.
You know, these are soundbites for public media.
Right.
Well, no, it's very useful for people to see.
Now, I want to go back to something you were talking about a little earlier in which you made a comment that I thought was really interesting.
And to tell you the truth, I came across, I'm not going to name any names, but I came across somebody else who's doing reverse speech.
And I just happened to look at a bit of it, and I was stunned by what I thought was some conclusions they were drawing that were unwarranted by at least the context and the nature of what they were pulling out of the person's talk, right?
So then I was noticing...
grabbing certain words and they're saying, well, this word means this.
And I was like, why do you, how can you prove this word means this?
You know what I'm saying?
So you said earlier that you have a whole dictionary that you've come up with and you've created that somehow sounds like it does a similar thing.
In other words, you've decided that certain words mean certain other things.
Is that right?
Oh, well, it's not my decision.
I work on context.
Reverse speech is complementary.
In other words, the forwards and the reverse relate to each other.
So when I see the same metaphor appearing in the same context over and over and over again, I add it to the dictionary and I put down what I think it means based on its context.
But as I teach my students...
This is a guide only.
I mean, it's always a two-way street working with clients to help them.
I mean, Look, metaphors are very difficult to interpret.
I mean, obviously, I don't think anyone can say they're set in stone.
I think I've got a pretty good idea based on 34 years of work and hearing the reversals in the same context many, many times.
That's how I come to the conclusions.
But it's always a two-way street.
You always talk about it with the clients as well, if you know what I mean.
Well, yeah.
I'm liking it.
I would liken it to interpreting dreams.
You know how Jung interpreted dreams, and you know that there is a whole sort of, you might say, a dictionary in a sense that Jung and certainly Freud and others have, you know, thought that they knew, based on archetypes, what people were.
Oh, if you did, you know, you dreamt of snakes, then it means this.
And if you dreamt of this, it means that.
In other words, it's not always accurate.
There's a lot of different interpretations that can go in there.
And I was always struck by people being a bit literal about their, you know, if somebody tells them something means something, then unequivocally it has to mean that.
And yet, people come from different cultures across the world.
In other words, I have a friend, for example, who told me that if you see, like if a bird flies in your house, she comes from a certain culture, and it is considered to be an omen of death.
Believe it or not.
If a bird flies in your house.
Now this is from her culture.
I had never heard that.
So I didn't grow up with that belief.
So I don't see a bird flying in your house in quite that way.
And yet, you know, this is what she's been brought up with.
I thought that was fascinating.
So this is what I'm saying.
Oh, well, I agree with you 100%.
Yeah, I have no issue with that at all.
And I teach that in class.
And I tell my students, look, this dictionary is a guide only, okay?
I think the interpretations are close, but it's a guide only.
And it may mean something completely different to your client, you know?
And when you're working with your clients, there's always a two-way street.
You're always interpreting, you know, jointly working out what the versatility means.
Absolutely.
What means something to me?
Maybe it's something really different to you, you know.
And you need a cross-section.
You can't just pull one out of context, which I do on the air, I must admit.
But then, you know, I've only got limited air time, you know.
Can I ask you, you know, you're in Australia.
Have you had interaction with some aborigines and used this technique on them and seen if you got completely different results or any of that sort of thing?
Ah, well, okay, very interesting question.
Look, I haven't myself, but one of my associates in Australia has, a chap named Greg Albrecht.
He's actually the Aboriginal resource teacher for the state of South Australia, and he's done a lot of work with Australian Aboriginals, and he has found, surprisingly enough, a very high proportion of Eastern metaphors on them.
Krishna, Shiva, Krishna.
Ganesha, which is really very interesting because the historical record theorizes that the aboriginals actually migrated to Australia from the eastern country many, you know, 40,000 years ago.
So Greg wonders whether this is not a collective unconscious that goes back to their heritage.
That's fascinating.
Absolutely.
Well, you know, it seems like there's so many avenues one could go down with regard to your reverse speech.
I'm also wondering whether or not you've looked into my area, which is the secret space program, and sort of the lies the government tells you about something.
The various spokespeople would be out there, of course, but also the alternative bringing forth, I do whistleblowers.
Have you ever...
Looked at whistleblowers at all and done any reverse speech on them?
A lot of requests for that.
Look, the only one I have done so far, what's his name?
Donald Marshall?
Is that his name?
All right.
And his reversals were very incongruent.
So he was talking about clones and Oh, that was his name?
Donald Marshall?
I think I know who you mean, and I think that's accurate.
I can look him up while we're talking.
Very interesting.
He was ignorant.
Otherwise, his story didn't match up.
I've got a lot of requests for the sequences.
I've got to get started on that.
I'm just one man.
I literally get a half a dozen requests every day for reversal analysis.
I'm sure.
I will move that up my list of Well, that would be very exciting.
I'd love to hear.
What I wanted to say about that, though, is kind of when you do, and I might have some things to say about what you're going to come across, because I'm also wondering about abductees and their so-called stories of recall of abductions, and also the fact that we...
More and more are finding out how we have what is in essence an ET heritage.
In other words, each of us It's a particular combination of various, what I call ETU, off-planet and on-planet races, inner earth, etc.
And our DNA, in other words.
And so, with that in mind, you are actually looking at humans as they are, as if they are one group.
And not only do we have different cultures, but we have beings that are inhabiting what are, in essence, earthly vessels.
That are in reality not human at all.
And so you're attempting to reverse their speech.
And I'm wondering if there may be a larger margin for error in those cases.
If Donald Marshall being one such person, I'm not claiming, I don't know all that much about him, but I am saying, in other words, let me give you an example.
Simon Parks, quite a well-known, he's a British counselor, former British counselor, which is an elected official in Britain, who came forward and said that he believes himself to be at least half what we call prey and mantis or mantid.
And therefore, he doesn't consider himself fully human.
Now, in his case, you know, you're going to get a different kind of a being and they may be operating on different levels.
And if you apply the same rules to them, you may be getting some, you know, some mixed information there.
Just throwing out these ideas, have you come across this sort of thing?
I've done no work on that at all.
So I can tell you.
Hang on, no, that's not true.
Look, I've done some session work with maybe about half a dozen abductees.
Oh, you have?
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
I don't know.
I haven't really thought about the common connections between them.
I know one woman I did was just striking.
Her reversal, sorry, were all confirming what she was saying.
In other words, she was relaying a true experience.
Okay.
But if I remember correctly, a lot of the others were all metaphors, which makes me wonder whether there was a psychological prediction rather than a true experience.
But I don't know.
I haven't done enough work with it.
Alright, what about mind control?
Have you dealt with mind control?
Because that again is going to change how the person is going to come across.
No, I really haven't.
The only time I've come across mind control was when my training class did analysis of Robert Kennedy's assassination and Sahar was clearly mind controlled.
That was obvious.
It was very obvious.
Oh, fascinating.
How is it obvious?
Can you give us an example?
I mean, you may not have him, you know, set up there, but...
Oh, hang on.
Now you really asked me to pull it out.
No.
He had the reversals like they told me in the therapy room.
Gee whiz.
Hang on.
Let me see if I can pull him up on the top of my head.
Go ahead, Jay.
Yeah, we haven't heard from you, so you're listening here.
What do you have to say?
I'll bring up another subject while David was looking there, and that is that David has made some, what he calls, meadow walks again, but there's like a package of 12 of them, and there are different, there's four different categories.
There is Business and career, financial freedom, the relationship, and health and wellness.
And David's made these available.
They're like $47 for all 12.
Each one's around 8 minutes long.
And you just push and play.
I've got all of them.
I've been using them.
I like them.
Some of my friends have too.
Well, I don't understand what you're saying these are, if you can describe.
What is exactly...
You say eight minutes of what?
Sorry, you know, I don't understand.
Guided imagery, guided meditation.
It relaxes.
It's just a regular guided meditation.
I don't understand why they work as deep as they do, because I've had lots of guided meditation things over the years, but they seem to go, they do, don't seem, they go really deep for me.
Usually I have to, it's not until the fourth or fifth time I I listen to it.
Can I even stay awake through it?
So what it is, it's a guided meditation.
And one of them, I walk into an open field, a grass field, and that means something to the subconscious.
I see a wolf, and the wolf means something.
And again, this is something that David says he's observed over many, many, many sessions.
And I'll pet the wolf, and I'll follow the wolf, and Go somewhere.
It's like rewriting my subconscious with a different imagery of how I can live my life.
Okay, so that's actually a form of mind control, the more positive side, obviously.
But, you know, when you investigate mind control, which I've done, I can say that, you know, there's a positive and a negative side to that, obviously.
And, you know, if you want to stop yourself from smoking, you can do the same thing.
You can go through a guided meditation that actually will, you know, get you into a mental state.
It's also for people who lose weight and these kinds of things, self-help kinds of things.
Hypnosis, you're talking about hypnosis.
Well, it's a self-hypnosis, is what it really is.
Well, it's also hypnotized anyway.
I mean, the media hypnotizes us.
Well, absolutely.
Absolutely.
I'm going to go back to David now, but I also want to say, you know, because when you use this, not only is it good in everyday life or everyday, what you might want to call everyday people, but in extraordinary circumstances, like a courtroom, you know, like, I don't know, OJ Simpson, you know, we should like to know if these people are telling the truth.
These are really crucial places.
Also, of course, Winston Churchill during World War II would be another really interesting person to reverse.
Leaders that had something pending, you know, like the Cuban Missile Crisis, etc., etc., when they're under stress, what are they really saying?
Yes.
Oh, you're absolutely right.
Well, I've got reversals of Churchill on my website.
I've got the Cuban Missile Crisis on my website.
All right.
What else have I got?
Lots of them.
Okay, very good.
Very good.
So do you have anything for us now?
So here's a point of reverse on Sahar.
We've got an interview by David Shroth.
There have been various conspiracy theories over the years.
Never again in great weight.
Thanks.
Can you convince me that it was not true?
No, I can't.
But I will say this to you, that I was never part of any conspiracy.
When he says, I was never part of any conspiracy, it says in the verse, and you see this liar.
It's a liar.
Wow.
Yeah, right.
There you go.
Fascinating.
That says it all, doesn't it?
Okay, what about, I'm going to throw another sort of...
Whatever you want to call it at you.
What about the astronauts?
There's a huge contention that the astronauts have been mind-controlled and that they actually were lying about what they came across on the moon.
Have you ever done that?
Dear, I can only get into trouble no matter which one I say on this one.
Alright, okay.
I have done the moon landing, yes I have, quite extensively.
I will tell you, I do believe he went to the moon.
I think the verses are clear about that.
I do not think we'd be told the whole truth of what happened on the moon and what they saw on the moon.
I agree.
The verses are quite clear about that.
All right, very good.
So, yeah, so that's what I found on the moon landings.
Okay, how about let's go to Wall Street.
We got Wall Street bankers deceiving people on all sorts of levels.
It sounds like you handle finances for people, whatever.
Anything there you want to play us?
Any striking statements or whatever?
Sure.
Yeah, I actually have quite a few clients who...
Work with me with their investments and the stock market and reverse speech will generally give us a fairly good idea.
I'm trying to find...
There's one particular reversal I've got saved that specifically talks about the market and it is this one.
Where does it go?
When I'm looking...
That's okay.
I mean, there's no rush.
We can also talk about other things in the meanwhile while you look.
One thing I wanted to say is there's a lot of talk right now about a whole switch in the financial system and that no longer are we going to have paper money and that the whole financial system may be We're no longer going to be based on what's called fiat currency but we're going to be based on either gold or silver.
I've done no work on that at all.
Once again, it's in my head now.
We need people trying to do this technology.
Let me, okay, because I don't want to kind of mess you up here.
I'm sure you have things at your easy disposal to play here for us.
So if you want to lead the way a little bit, then we can go down that way.
Well, look, I've got this first round stock market, so here we go.
You really got me leaning that direction rather than commodities.
Well, yeah, but why I'm really good, exactly.
Why I'm keen on the commodities stocks I'm in is that I've got the software which enables me to price options accurately.
Well, you can go to the Optionetics website and...
And here he says, you force the buck solid.
I'll force it back, Karen.
Oh, you'll, you'll are future tense.
You'll force it back.
I'll force it back, Karen.
I'll force it back, Karen.
I'll force the buck solid.
In other words, it's a solid investment and he's going to make money out of it.
He's going to make money.
So there you go.
So that reversal is what we call the future tense reversal.
Okay.
It's about the stock market.
Was there any follow-up work on that?
Did that prove to be accurate?
Oh, yes, it did.
Yeah, yeah.
He made about $10,000 with a $1,000 investment.
So there you go.
All right.
He was talking about particular stocks.
All right.
Well, where do you want me to go?
Look, you know what I'm going to do?
Well, let's digress.
I want to play you some children's reversals.
Oh, that'd be lovely.
Absolutely awesome.
Okay, here's my daughter at four months of age.
Run her backwards, you hear the gibberish, followed by a very clear hello.
Hello.
Can you hear that there?
Isn't that amazing?
I'll do it again.
Part of my theory is that language development in children begins backwards before it does forwards.
From as early as four months of age, children are pronouncing simple, single words.
This is one of my favourite examples of all time.
this is my daughter in a bathtub, 13 months of age, 13, 1, 3, trying to pick up a cup.
She says, "David, help me." help me." Oh, wow.
Yeah, that's great.
Yeah, it's wonderful.
Yeah, that's a great one.
Here, play it again for those who missed it.
David, help me.
Yeah, I've got lots of examples of children.
Dozens and dozens and dozens.
I just think they're so cute.
I love all the children.
It should be awesome.
And of course, the application, you talked about law enforcement a little while ago.
It will certainly tell us whether they're committed to the crime or not.
For example, here's a controversial case, a 1996 murder of a Boulder beauty queen, JonBenet Ramsey.
And here's a mother on TV saying there's at least two people who know she committed the crime.
We feel like there are at least two people on the face of this earth that know who did this.
And that is the killer and someone that that person may have confided in.
Back when she tells us who that person is, she simply says, I'm that person.
I'm that person.
Pretty chilling.
I'm that person.
Wow.
Yeah, pretty chilling.
The whole scenario is laid out on my website, what happened, and the I, and the how, and it's all there.
Oh, then we get down to some of the deepest applications in therapy.
I'm just jumping all over the place.
Can you tell me?
No, that's great.
I think it's all fascinating at this point, so just go wherever the mind takes you, really.
Yeah.
Well, I use reverse speech primarily in therapy.
Yes, I do politicians and public events and interest things like that because that's what the public wants.
But I first loved reverse speech and I've developed a whole therapeutic process around reverse speech.
I have a very active clientele.
I currently work with about 30 clients right now, which is pretty good.
And one of the things I learned through therapy is that we create everything in our world.
We are creators of the universe in which we live.
And some of these revelations can be quite shocking at times.
For example, here's a woman who's talking about an abusive relationship.
And I was really surprised where that came from.
And I even allowed him to get back into my head like that.
I was shocked.
But here she says, make him abuse me.
So part of...
So she says she was shocked.
She let him back into her head, but part of her unconscious mind wants that abuse, and so she did let her back in.
If she didn't want the abuse, she wouldn't have opened herself up.
Does that make sense?
Yes.
And so with reverse speech, I'm able to see the unconscious triggers causing us to do the same things as we do and the way we act.
And reverse speech will also give us solutions to problem issues.
For example, here is a woman who has pain problems.
So here's the forwards.
This one says work on my grief.
What is my grief?
Grief.
What is my grief?
So that's the unconscious telling me, that's a message to me, saying, look, my money issues have got to do with grief.
You've got to solve grief problems to fix the money issues.
And so the reverse will come back and give us exact reasons and points.
Why and often what to do to work with the problems and issues.
Okay, what about...
Sorry to ask you all these sort of uncomfortable questions, but this is the kind of work I do.
But, you know, what about...
Well, possession, or someone who is religious would look at it like that, because this thing where the woman is actually saying she wants to be abused, it The question would be, is it really her saying that or is there a possession or what we might call an attachment of a negative entity who is actually taken over and is actually commanding the situation and that's who's really talking.
In other words, I know this is going a level that maybe you don't deal with in everyday life, but it does come up.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
Look, I have a very interesting approach to that problem.
I have a belief system bias that I should tell you up front.
I personally don't believe in possession and attachment, so that's my bias.
Yeah, no, that's fair enough.
Yeah, for sure.
But I work with it because I believe that they are all metaphors.
I believe that the unconscious is a construct of metaphors and archetypes.
Now, I've actually done an exorcism under trance because reverse speech told me to.
Now, that could be because the person's belief was so high that they needed that experience to get rid of it.
Oh, dear me, I'm going to upset a lot of people by saying this.
But I work with metaphors and I work with people's belief systems.
And if their belief system is that they are possessed and the reversals will back that up, then that's what I will do.
And that's how I will work with them.
Alright.
But my own personal belief is that they're all metaphoric constructs and possession is when one metaphor rises to the surface and takes over.
So I believe in the phenomena quite strongly, but not necessarily the explanation that is put to it.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that's all good.
It's not actually necessary that we agree with that, you know, with somebody's belief system, so long as you can, in essence, it's kind of like interpret it and work with it, if you can access its translator, so to speak.
Absolutely.
Look, for someone who's pursuing such a controversial field of reverse speech, I'm actually fairly mainstream and skeptical as a person, which is a little bit unusual.
Well, that might help you.
A lot of the best, what they say, remote viewers are the ones that actually...
People are fairly grounded and don't have a huge, at least at first glance, don't have a huge, you might say, inner life.
They don't have a huge imagination.
In other words, their kind of pragmatic approach to life can, in a sense, allow them to let more things in than if they actually did have more of an imaginative approach.
I say that describes me very well.
Oh, alright.
Well, you know, personally, my belief system says anyone who appears to be lack imagination, etc., probably has a great deal of it, but it's quite hidden.
Absolutely not.
So, but at any rate, so what I want to do, we've been on the show for a while and it's really fun to talk to you guys.
What I'd like to do though, I'd like to invite the audience to ask some questions because I have quite an active audience here and they are in the chat room and they're writing away and they have been the whole show.
So what I'm going to do is open it up for their questions and then I'm going to see if I can grab a few questions if you don't mind.
Would that be all right?
Yeah, sure.
That's a great idea.
Okay, lovely.
So, well, someone is asking.
I don't know if this is...
Again, don't feel shy that you don't go down these roads necessarily.
Maybe you will in the future.
Maybe this show will be an instigator.
And on the other hand, if you haven't, you know, everyone has to cover some area of life.
And life is very broad, right?
So, I've got a person asking...
Have you looked, or have you, I guess, I don't know how they're kind of phrasing this, but they're saying, do you see a shift, a major shift on planet Earth in the near future?
Oh, interesting question.
I Not from reverse speech.
I don't have any reversals that might indicate that, but my own personal belief system is, yes, I do.
I think we're heading for an awakening of consciousness.
I think that we're just around the corner from the next evolutionary leap.
Consciousness is exploding.
We are exploring consciousness more and more.
There's many modalities, not just reverse speech.
That's looking at it.
So I have great hope for the future of humanity.
I'm not a believer in destruction.
I think that we're moving to a new age and all these new technologies coming out to assist us in walking into this new age.
So that's what I believe.
Well, that's very interesting considering your line of work.
In other words, that's quite a hopeful statement in and of itself.
You are delving into human psychology, so you're getting that out of it, and so that's very good.
Well, I'm getting into it.
Yep, that's what I'm getting out of it.
Yeah, I mean, strangely, my strange line of work does lead me actually to believe I have a great deal of faith in humanity as a result as well, and I also see a positive future in many aspects.
I see some very, let's say, dangerous possibilities, but for the most part, I'm more optimistic about humanity than if I look back At our past, actually.
I am too.
Absolutely, yes.
I have great hope for humanity.
I think we've got a marvellous future.
Okay.
I guess somebody wants to know, you had mentioned children.
You've certainly done your own children.
Someone's saying toddlers three to six years old.
Is there an application?
They're asking, is there an application to, I guess, reverse their toddler's speech?
Yes.
Incredible application.
You can get into the young child's mind before they can express themselves fully forwards.
Toddlers 3'6"?
Huh.
You know...
Metaphors and behavioural patterns are certainly well entrenched by the time they're three years of age.
The most informative years are really from one to three.
I see parents, children adopting the metaphors of their parents from about 18 months of age onwards and metaphors are in code of the behavioural patterns.
So you can see the evolving personality and behavioural patterns Patterns of the child by looking at the metaphors to start coming in around 18 months of age.
Three to six months, three to six years of age, I haven't done a great deal of work with them, but certainly one to three I have.
Okay, I think I may misinterpret this question, but I also wonder if, I think they might be asking you if there's like a software application that does your reverse speech type thing.
Yes, we have software on my website that you can download.
We also have an app for the iPhone.
We've got one coming out for the Android fairly soon.
Good to know.
It says, do you work in other languages?
That's interesting.
Even languages you don't speak.
Yeah, that's a very good question.
Well, I only speak English, but I have trained three people who are bilinguals, Spanish, French, German.
We're finding in all three of those languages.
If someone is bilingual, you get reversals in both languages.
If my theory is accurate, the language is by level, then one would expect to find it in every language.
I don't know about Asian languages.
There are different constructs altogether.
If the theory holds, then I would expect to find it in all languages, certainly defined in English, French and German.
So they're the ones I can speak about.
Okay.
Let's see.
Well, someone's asking about secret societies, whether you've done that.
Based on my other questions, I'm assuming you haven't, so perhaps they joined us a bit late.
How about, it says, well, I don't know about, this is an interesting question.
Have you analyzed any film or drama, in other words, a movie?
No.
Oh, that is an interesting question.
Yes, I have actually.
I've found some quite fascinating reversals.
I remember one I found said, damn it, this is take 12, which was funny.
And then I found an interesting one on Star Wars.
Let me see if I can pull this one up real quick.
Star Wars, here we go.
Let's listen to this.
Obi-Wan once thought as you do.
You don't know the power of the dark side.
We ask God for the power.
He was really into his role, wasn't he?
Very interesting, yes.
Yeah, that's a whole another area.
Somebody wants to know about Comey, the FBI, ex-FBI director.
Did you?
Yeah, I've actually got quite a few of us.
I haven't uploaded my website because I've been on the road for...
I guess a corollary to that is, overall, does Comey come across as what you call congruent or a lot of incongruence?
He comes across as congruent.
I don't get any bad sense from Comey.
Like, here he is talking about Uma Abbott and Anthony Weiner.
Why did you conclude neither of them committed a crime?
Because with respect to Ms.
Abbott in particular, we didn't have any indication that she had a sense that what she was doing was in violation of the law.
He says, all of them chill out.
All of them chill out.
All of them chill out.
That's funny.
All of them chill out.
Yeah, just don't worry about it.
Don't get so upset about it.
Okay, now the question, but the question was, did he find that she was lying?
Isn't that the question?
Right.
Look, I don't have enough on Comey on that particular topic to answer that question.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see what else is here quickly.
I don't know.
Somebody says they've sent you some reversals and I'm not going to ask you that one.
Let's see.
Okay.
Someone, I think it's an interesting question, but I actually think the answer is also, it's been answered, but I'm going to ask it anyway for the purposes of clarity on the person's part.
They want to know, what is the basis for validity of this technique?
Validity of it?
Oh, dear me.
Well...
Well, there's several ways I can answer that question.
A does exist.
What tests have been done to validate its existence?
We've done audibility tests where subjects have been grouped into three different groups where we've played reversals to one group and asked them what they hear.
We've played another group and asked them, do they hear that?
And then we've played a control of...
I suppose they can hear that.
Monash University repeated those tests.
They got better results than I did to show that people could actually hear the reversals.
We've got electrocephalograph testing where we can see the brain responding to reverse speech.
Rapid activity, print the left to right brain hemisphere every time a reversal occurs from the start to its finish.
Certainly in the 34 years I've been doing it, I've got an excellent public track record of success.
It's validated for me every week when I work with my clients.
I'll find the names of people's and clients' lives, things they've done last week.
It's self-validating.
You really need to work with it.
I think my book, I've written several books.
My book, A New Theory About Language, goes into a lot of the validation about reverse speech.
But it's a long road.
It's a new theory.
It's a radical theory.
It'll take a long time before it's accepted fully.
Alright, what about the Queen of England?
Have you ever done her?
Oh dear, yes I have quite a few times.
She's interesting.
You know, I just reversed on the Queen about the death of Princess Di and And that video has got me the most hate emails on YouTube as any of my other videos.
They basically show the Queen to be very cold and heartless around the death of Di and looking to milk it for as much as they can get out of it.
So not very complimentary reversals.
Okay, so in other words, what you've shown is that the Queen was what actually...
The alternative is, which is just that, actually, that she is cold and was even possibly implicated in her death.
Did you ever get any sign that she might have been implicated?
No, I got no sign that she's implicated, but certainly signs that she's cold and quite glad it happened.
All right.
But whether she did it or pulled the trigger, figuratively speaking, I don't have any reversals to verify that.
Alright.
Let's see.
I'm sort of scanning here to see if we've got any more.
And, you know, I know you're about to take a flight tomorrow, so I'm sure that you're quite tired as well.
So I want to be, you know, not keep you too long here.
Just trying to see if there's any other questions that I could possibly grab here.
I have a question that I don't see here, actually, about ghosts.
Have you gone into...
I don't know if you've got any...
Audio from ghosts, people that try to record ghosts, and did you ever do something like that?
Well, I actually do.
That's actually a field I'm actually interested in, quite frankly.
You're talking about EVP, electronic voice phone number.
Yes.
Yeah, I've got a few examples of EVP and reversals on EVP. Actually, I've got my own radio show I do every Friday afternoon.
I sometimes have guests on TV. Playing EVP. Okay, very good to know.
Yeah.
Are you going to play us an example?
Oh, right.
Oh, sorry.
Okay, all right.
Let me see.
Let me see the one I want to play.
Okay, here we have an EVP that occurred in a training class I did.
I think reversal is...
Hang on, let's just play...
Okay, this will stop a working sham forward.
This is the EVP in the class.
Backwards it says, High Caesar will not lick it.
Talking about reverse speech.
So, reverse speech will stop a world of sham, but High Caesar, or the authority...
Those in Washington, D.C. will not embrace it.
And here we have an EVP. This is a really cool one.
It says, Up Went Bob.
Listen to this.
She was a strong image for me still.
I went back and...
You hear that there?
Yes.
Out of the blue.
I find EVPs fairly often when I'm doing tapes, you know, they get voices coming out of the blue as I tell you, I don't know if there's that.
So I've got my own little file, I keep them, you know.
Oh, wow.
Okay, fascinating.
Okay, that's very interesting.
Let's see.
What about talk, I know this is crazy, but talk show hosts or people giving the news, any of that stuff?
Well, yeah, I come across it occasionally.
I don't have any to pull up on the top of my head.
Yeah, I come across them occasionally.
They're rather innocuous.
I can't think of any particular stunning ones that stand out.
Alright, what about scientists?
Have you, you know, scientists even reporting earthquakes or describing volcanic eruptions or anything?
Oh, what an area to look into.
Gee whiz, I'd love to look at that.
No, I haven't.
I mean, I believe that you could tap into the sickness of light speed if you could get some undolizable enough talking about it.
You know, I mean...
Well, also archaeologists.
It'd be very interesting to get some archaeologists because they're coming across all kinds of things and maybe not always talking about their theories, right?
So many things to reverse.
Okay, how about...
Someone wants to know, how about the Pope?
Oh, the Pope.
Oh, dear me.
Yeah, I've got some rather nasty reversals on the Pope, actually.
This is when he came to America last year.
Oh, let me see what some got them in real quick.
Pope, here we go.
Okay, so here's a pretty devastating one to start off with.
For those people and the nations from the heart of American democracy, I wish to reaffirm my highest esteem and appreciation.
I won't play the whole lot, but backwards it says, I rape the other kid.
Oh, no.
No, here we go.
I rape the other kid.
I think it's okay.
I was going to ask you before you do that, actually, have you gotten into trouble with this kind of thing?
Has anyone tried to press charges against you for a reverse speech type of thing?
Well, I was actually sued in 1989 for defamation of character.
We won't go into who it was or what happened.
I found some reversals on a well-known public figure that were not very complimentary and I went public with it on my radio show and I got sued.
We settled our book.
Oh, really?
Oh, well, that's interesting.
So, I don't know, you know, when someone speaks in public, they are a public person speaking in public, you know, I don't see that they would have a case against you.
Well, they didn't have a case.
That's why we settled.
All right.
Okay, do you want to play us this, I guess, explicit piece?
Is it, again, the Pope or another person?
No, this is the Pope.
Here we go.
eat the holy trump that's a really concerning sect reversal That's all I can say.
Right.
Have you done any other pedophilia, you know, sort of met people accused at, I don't know, Jimmy Savile or other people that have been accused in this way?
Yes, I have.
I don't know where the Savile reversals are.
I wouldn't even know where to start looking for them.
I'm sorry.
No, that's okay.
Just wondering in general.
So it's certainly an avenue to pursue as well.
I'm really quite surprised.
Has law enforcement ever enlisted your help in discovering the truth?
Yeah, a couple of times.
Not very often.
I worked for the Australian police on a couple of cases with great success.
Reversals revealed the location of a murder weapon in one case that was found exactly where the reversal said it was.
I worked with the Dallas police on a half a dozen cases, once again with great success.
However, the FBI came in and told them to stop doing any further work with reverse speech, so they stopped.
Oh, fascinating.
Yeah, right.
Well, you might find out if you reverse speech that, you'll find out that they actually are afraid you're going to discover their real secrets.
I think you're probably right, yeah.
All right.
Well, it looks like I'm not seeing anything else offhand here.
You know, I want to thank you so much for coming on the show, and it's great to talk to you and have this opportunity.
I hope that we can have you back.
Perhaps you'll go down the road that, you know, we've suggested here on some of these areas.
I'd love to come back.
Excellent.
I know Jay wants to get his website out, so we can get Jay.
All right.
right?
www.reversespeak.weebly.com.
My Skype address is there, phone number, You can contact me there.
You can read about the 12...
And also, David right now has a special half-hour reverse speech session for $75, and you can go and have a direct experience and see what it's like for you.
Five minutes.
Five minutes.
Five minutes for $75 a year.
And is the website going to be reversedspeech.weebly.com going to be on your website, Carrie?
Oh, I'll be glad to.
Yeah, just put that information in the chat and I'll be glad to put that on my website for you.
Yes, absolutely.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, thank you very much.
Something else I want to say, it really takes someone that's courageous to embrace this, what David can provide.
But it's worth it.
You know, it's courageous in the sense of getting honest with yourself in some places that maybe you've kept masked, shall we say.
Absolutely.
My motto is, clear now, avoid the rush later.
Okay, thank you for that.
Well, it's great to have both of you on.
Any closing comments from you, David?
Oh, no, just thank you very much for having me.
It's amazing technology.
We certainly need people to get involved.
I think that in the future it's going to be a major impact on the world.
It may not be in my lifetime, but it will happen.
So get involved.
David, what about your June 10th event in London?
What is that?
by the way I'm actually in the United States flying to London tomorrow and I've got a big event in London on June 10th it's a free event, it's all day June 10th at the Grand Connaught Rooms London, so if anyone wants to come along and see me Grand Connaught Rooms London, 10 o'clock sharp on June the 10th.
Okay, is that 10 o'clock in the morning?
Yes, 10 o'clock in the All right.
Just clarifying that.
Very good.
So, yeah, I totally got that reversed, as they call it.
I thought you were in England about to leave here and that you'd already been here.
So you haven't come yet.
You're on your way.
And, well, it's great to have you on the show prior to that.
So, in theory, we've got an English audience as part of our worldwide audience.
So I think that you might have...
You know, bring some more people down to see you.
So that's great.
Yeah, totally free of charge.
Come along for the whole day.
And if you're there for the whole day, I have a door prize of a free round of session or eight sessions, a whole round of eight session process if you...
That's one lucky person who's there for the whole day.
Grand Connaught Rooms, London, June 10th.
10am sharp.
Okay, good to know.
Now, any closing comments on your behalf, Jo?
I want to thank you, Kerry.
I've followed you for years.
I want to thank you for your courage.
And you're such a good interviewer.
You really got right in there, man.
It was great.
Got me thinking about things I didn't even consider.
Now I've got some more directions I can take with this.
But thank you sincerely for your courage.
I know you've had bumps in the road.
And I really, really, really, really thank you.
We need more of you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
That's very kind of you.
Thank you both, actually.
And, well, let's have you back.
So, you know, this is a great beginning.
Okay.
I'm going to let everyone, we're going to let you go at this point, and so I'll be hanging up with you and putting the credits on the screen, etc.
So thank you again for being on the show.
Thanks, Sarah.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
So, thank you everyone for watching and listening.
And it's been fascinating, as I'm sure a lot of people will think.
And so we're going to be back, actually, believe this or not, later tonight, English time.
And so it's still daytime in the U.S. I've got another U.S. show going.
It's going to be with a guy named Shane.
And he is...
I'm a bit notorious at this time.
He originally came out under the name Shane the Ruiner, and this gets into the whole controversy that's really raging in this subject, I guess to do with Corey Goode and Gaia TV and David Wilcock, etc., and really getting into...
What's going on with whether you can tell something is true or not.
And I think that we will just be discussing a few things, accusations that have been made, and possibly trying to have maybe a bit of open lines and some questions answered, if at all possible.
So we're going to do that in a few hours from now.
That's going to be Let's see, 11 p.m.
my time.
So it's like almost 9 o'clock here right now in the UK at night.
See, I think it's five hours earlier.
Actually, I forget what time it's going to be.
It's somewhere around 6 o'clock, I think it is, Eastern Time, and then that means it's around 3 o'clock on the West Coast.
So I'm going to post all that on my website shortly, but since I'm here at the end of this show, and this all just happened today, so...
No preparation whatsoever.
It just, the opportunity presented itself and so we decided to go with it in light of the controversy that's really raging at this time in the alternative media and just trying to sort of open that subject up a bit more.
So join us if you'd like at 11 p.m.
in two hours time really, wherever you are around the world in two hours time.
So, thanks for watching and listening again and have a great evening, regardless.
Take care.
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