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May 30, 2017 - Project Camelot

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SHANE THE RUINER WITH KERRY CASSIDY: OUTING COREY GOODE: THE RASHOMON DYNAMIC

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	Thank you.
	Hi, everyone.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am doing my second show in a few hours because of the strange difference in time zones between the U.S. and the U.K., where I presently am.
	I'm about to do a tour of the ancient sites with Maria Wheatley, as many people will know if you have been following my website.
	So if you're interested in buying tickets to that event, we are selling day tickets at this time, so that can be a lot of fun to go around to the ancient sites.
	And Maria is extremely knowledgeable, and we will be doing some...
	Some, you know, meditations and whatnot to help balance those ley lines, etc.
	So it will be a fascinating time, I'm sure.
	So at this time, I want to say that I'm here with Shane.
	He goes by The Ruiner.
	I don't know if he's even using that moniker anymore, but it seems to be how he became known.
	So we in the media are using it simply so that People searching on YouTube can figure out which Shane it is without, I guess, the benefit of a last name.
	So for those purposes, I'm going to put him on the screen here.
	Shane, you want to say hello to everyone?
	Hello, everyone.
	And hi, Carrie.
	Good to talk to you again.
	And once again, I wish it was under better circumstances.
	I hear you.
	Well, you know, I've actually been thinking about that quite a bit and just want to say, you know, certainly welcome your feedback on this, but, you know, that I think there's nothing wrong with this kind of human dialogue going on,
	even in public, and this is the kind of thing that as we get more immersed into sort of a group culture that involves all of the And maybe eventually, you know, other ETs coming on board, those that are so-called purebred ETs, because we're all, you know, basically a hybrid race of ET DNA. In other words, we're talking to each other.
	And I think that that's going on, whether it's on the Internet or off the Internet or, you know, subliminally...
	We're in contact with each other through dreams, through astral travel, through just all of our interactions as we're part of this multiverse and we're If you want to look at it this way, we're in it all together.
	So we might as well talk to each other.
	And we can do it publicly, too.
	It should be allowed.
	So I'm not despairing over that notion.
	I don't like targeting, however, and I have tried to stay away from this topic for so long, all the time it's been going on, really, foreseeing some major problems with regard to the Specifically, Corey Goode, you know, set of information.
	And some of it is perfectly good and actually has been on Camelot and our whistleblower testimony for over 11 years and many years prior to when Corey hit the scene.
	So none of it has been a surprise to me.
	Now, I do want to say that there may be some details Corey has come up with that are useful and valid information.
	This is very possible.
	And we can get into that in more detail as this moves on.
	I think it's interesting to say, though, that the discussions about this situation have not centered on the information per se.
	So I think that's something of a problem.
	And I'm in a position to discuss the information simply because we specialize in whistleblower testimony and specifically in the Secret Space program and always have.
	Since the beginning of Project Camelot.
	But in this case, and let me say, this is a conversation for those that think I am going to talk too much and you're not going to talk enough, which I get sometimes, which basically I could care less about.
	But for the people that do have that gripe, I do want to say this is not an interview.
	This is a conversation.
	So, Shane, at this point, any comments on what I just said?
	I definitely agree.
	Everyone needs to be talking to each other, especially in situations like this where there seems to be opposing sides.
	I think the opposing side should have a discussion.
	I think that's the only way that we'll ever move forward beyond any of this type of nonsense, not just in the microcosm of the alternative media, but globally.
	I think that conversation, trying to take in each other's point of view and To make sense of it altogether is where we should be striving to move forward to.
	And this is just the start of it.
	Obviously there can be nitpicking on any one aspect of any of it, but I think on the whole that this is giving us all a very good opportunity to start doing that, to start chatting between each other.
	Sharing what we've come to know on all different topics and when it comes to situations like this I mean the internet has made the world a much smaller place so the he said she said games that we were all familiar with in high school kind of tend to blow up in our faces because everything's recorded you know most things are in texts there's no real room for that type of Dynamic in this community anymore.
	So I think that putting that all together, I agree with you in regards to, say, you know, the testimony of Corey and there being a lot of things in there that are valid and are useful.
	And I think what it all boils down to is exactly what you said, that a lot of that stuff has been on Camelot for the last 11, 12 years, right?
	So it's not a lot of new stuff.
	I think a lot of people are calling into question the way that it's being packaged and put forward more than the information itself, which I think is why the dialogue is what it is about it.
	Fair enough.
	Now, I do want to say that actually there is kind of two parts of the Corey Goode information, which one has to do with what it seems to be his interactions with off-planet beings.
	And, uh, then there was the original information, even more original.
	Uh, and I, I do want to, I know people have been writing to me in droves, actually asking me to explain, you know, my role in all of this.
	And I just listened to, uh, the Randy Mogam.
	I'm not sure how to say his last name.
	Randy Mogans.
	Yeah.
	I did his interview with Christine and she got several things wrong and so it's very important that I set the record straight since it has to do with me, right?
	So I will take this opportunity to do that.
	And originally, just so people know, Bill, this kind of, I guess to put history in place, the most recent rendition of this kind of dialogue about what is centered around Cory Good, but actually should extend to the whole sector and even beyond that, because I don't see such a difference in the mainstream media either when there are major disagreements that go back and forth there.
	And that's always an interesting dynamic over there.
	We consider the alternative media to be its own sort of entity, but it's just as guilty of a lot of these sort of transgressions, if you will.
	I'm calling this the Rashomon dynamic for a reason because we have a lot of people, some of whom are talking about things they know nothing about, some of whom are trying to find out the truth, and some of whom are testifying as to what they know, but they only know their portion.
	And therefore, sometimes when they speak for others, they are coming at it sort of wrong-ended, and that's dangerous.
	Being in Camelot, of course, I have some very, I guess you might say, direct exposure to many of the players.
	So my information is often...
	Not second-hand, it's actually first-hand.
	And that's in a lot of cases to do with a lot of subjects.
	Just by, you know, kind of, I don't know, because we became, I guess you might say, a centralization point where, you know, with my over 600 students, Video interviews and several years of radio shows.
	Obviously, I've sort of done the gamut and that there are still people that I haven't interviewed, which is always fascinating and I'm happy to do more.
	But with that said, I just want to set the stage for people understanding where I come into this and where I actually have nothing to do with it.
	And then we'll go into sort of your role and where we're going.
	So just to set the record straight, I was approached by Corey Goode.
	I did not approach him.
	I actually hadn't been aware of him at all.
	And I can't even remember how we got in touch.
	But at some point, I think I received an email from him.
	And then I connected him to my Skype.
	He told me he was someone posting on Avalon.
	As I found out, he had been posting there since, I believe the year is 2010, if I have my chronology right.
	So he was on the forum and he had sort of become part of that group.
	You call, you know, the forum is large, but it's not that large.
	And actually, it's what I consider to be quite a clique.
	In other words, there is a Within the forum, this doesn't mean everybody, but there's a very select group that are associated with the other founder.
	You know, Bill Ryan and I started Project Avalon all those years ago, but actually when we split up, I gave him Project Avalon and I took Camelot, is how it worked out.
	And there was a reason for all of that, and I'm not going to go into that whole history, but maybe someday I can, and I'm writing a book right now, so maybe it'll all make sense.
	But I want to say that so what happened was there was a click on Project Avalon and certain members got to know the other members both on the forum and then they started to socialize off the forum.
	And some of them saw each other, you know, just, you know, would go off and discuss things on Skype.
	And I have no idea whether, you know, when they met each other in person and when they didn't.
	And Simon Parks was originally part of that group.
	And there are others and there are some that are still there.
	And I don't even know if you were there, but lots of people have come and gone from that interaction and the forum.
	And I have always been a member because I was a founding member and because of my relationship with Bill Ryan.
	And yet I have really not been involved and I actually never go there.
	And except once in a while, somebody will write to me and tell me either I'm talked about or there's something they really want to know about.
	And then I will go on to the forum and try to answer their question and, you know, in a very circumspect way.
	And when I do that, normally I post it on my own website so that my own audience will be party to whatever I have said on Avalon.
	So that's kind of what goes on.
	So enter Cory Goode.
	He contacted me and what he said initially to me was that he was going to be, that he was being interviewed by what was in essence Bill Ryan and Christine who I think were married at the time but basically Christine had done the interview and that Bill was editing it or whatever.
	And that there was some problem because there were some things Bill didn't want to include that had to do with Nazis.
	Now, I don't know if this is true or not.
	I only know what I was told by him back in those days.
	And so when he came to me and he said that, and then he said...
	And I'm going to be interviewed by David Wilcock.
	And he also then sent me some posts on the Skype.
	And I think he also emailed me some posts.
	And so I gathered.
	He sent, you know, the Avalon posts and copied them to me.
	And since I hadn't read them, I read them.
	And I'm always cordial to people that I'm, you know, in potential talks to decide if I want to interview them.
	But because, as I do with people that come to me, I tend to be a bit suspicious.
	And I am very, you might say...
	Stand-offish, even.
	And that's purposeful after 11 years of being in this world.
	And when Corey contacted me, it was, I think it was in November of 2014.
	But, you know, I'm not great on dates.
	But I think that's when it was.
	And anyway, I'd have to go over my records.
	And I think, actually, I blocked him from my Skype eventually.
	So I lost all the records.
	But they're out there.
	And he's made copies.
	He sent them to YouTube and so on and so forth.
	So what happened was he asked me if I would interview him because of what was going on with Bill Ryan and the slowness with which the interview was going out.
	And then again, sort of prompting me, trying to say that David Wilcock was going to interview him and so wasn't I interested.
	And actually, he used in his post on Avalon the name Dr.
	Richard Boylan, As a reference, and he also did with me.
	And unbeknownst to him, I actually don't have a good opinion of Dr.
	Richard Boylan and his work.
	I am highly suspicious of it.
	And that doesn't mean that there's not some good stuff there.
	And it's been many years since I had any Exposure to his work.
	I haven't followed his career, so maybe he's a great guy now.
	I don't know.
	All I know is that that's a red flag for me.
	When somebody brings him up as their reference, then immediately I'm skeptical because I know there's a problem.
	And that's all I'm going to say about that.
	I'm not going to go into it because I'm not interested in bashing people.
	I just want people to understand my State of mind with regard to Corey and why I had that particular state of mind.
	But I am a fair person, and even though he used a reference of somebody that is a red flag for me, and he also said he was going to be interviewed by David, and this is another thing.
	If you come to me and say David Wilcock is interviewing you, And you want me to do the same.
	Actually, I don't want to do it.
	And that's right out the gate, and I've always been like that.
	Why is that?
	Because I am actually not interested so much in interviewing people that have already been interviewed by other people, number one.
	Number two, David Wilcock and I are very prominent members of this sort of group, this alternative sector that heads up what you might say is an investigation into the secret space program.
	And he's a friend.
	So I didn't feel that that was a good calling card because if David was going to interview him, then David, you know, I make way.
	Let David do it.
	So unbeknownst to him, that was not also a good thing to say to me.
	So that was all fine and good, and we kind of left it hanging.
	And at that point, I actually drove up to interview Mark Richards.
	Strange kind of sequence of events.
	And so Captain Mark Richards of the Secret Space Program is somebody I have now done six interviews with, and I drive up to Vacaville Prison.
	It's not actually called that.
	It's in Vacaville, but it's got some special name that I don't get right, so I'm just going to refer to that.
	But at any rate, I go there with his wife, Joanne Richards, and I... I sit and take notes with a pencil when I'm allowed to have a pencil and I basically do what I call total recall, bring back my information and then I put it, my notes I publish as well as my,
	right after the interview when I leave the prison I turn on an audio and sometimes a camera and basically put everything down and then usually I compile it into a more professional presentation.
	And all six of those interviews are available on Project Camelot and highly recommend it.
	He has been a great resource for information about the Secret Space Program.
	And he was talking and I was talking with him about artificial intelligence.
	So this time when I went to visit him, having had this sort of initial contact with Corey Goode, I printed out a lot of Corey's stuff that he sent me that came off of the forum, I guess.
	And after having read it, I actually made a copy and sent it to Mark.
	This is something very unusual for me because I don't use snail mail, generally speaking.
	I don't like it.
	And I just don't enjoy going through that whole process of, you know, going to...
	I know it sounds silly, but still, I don't.
	So I did do it because I thought, well, here's a guy who wants me to interview him.
	He's talking about artificial intelligence.
	I know Mark knows a great deal about this.
	Why don't I show this to Mark?
	That way it would be sort of a preliminary vetting of who Corey Goode was from the point of view of somebody I do respect.
	So I gave him the information.
	So when I interviewed him...
	We very briefly said, you know, I said, did you see this Corey Good stuff I sent you?
	What did you think?
	And he said, well, most of it's pretty accurate according to what I know.
	However, there is some disinfo in there.
	That's it.
	That's all he said.
	So when I came back, I made my interview and I then published it on my website.
	And Then I get a mail from, well, it was a saga, and I don't even know if I remember all the details, but what happened was, the gist of it was, that Corey Good had Christine and the Avalon members that are this clique of moderators, I guess it is, or whoever they are, write me a group letter, only it was sent from Christine's email, so she was the main spokesperson as far as I could tell.
	And it basically said, you know, oh my God, you've, you know, released his name and you must take it down off your interview.
	He was mentioned once in this video interview with Mark Richards, which is, you know, like two hours long, the information.
	And it was also in writing once on my notes.
	So, because we had referenced him and it was, you know, neither positive nor negative.
	It just said that some of his information was correct.
	We didn't actually, I don't think we left in the Desenfo part.
	So then what happened was Corey was apparently prevailing upon Christine or somebody to get me to take this down.
	Now, the trouble is that during the interaction with me and Corey, before I left to visit Mark, I found out, and I did have a little investigation, and then subsequently when he asked me to take it down, I did more, and I had somebody else do some investigation.
	And I found out that he had been on Avalon since 2010.
	That his, you know, moniker on Avalon ended with his last name Good, G-O-O-D-E, spelled the same way.
	That he called himself something like, and I don't remember exactly, but E-T Good.
	And, you know, E-T dot Good or something of that nature.
	And then also I was told by various people that he was very well known on Avalon and that he was actually known under his name Corey Good.
	And because I also was told initially that Bill Ryan and Christine had interviewed him and that David was about to, you see, my mentality around him was that he was obviously known in the sector.
	And I also found evidence that he'd had his own website under his name, I believe, and someone else investigated in a very short period of time and found out exactly who he was, etc.
	Plus, he signed his emails in a very unusual way for anyone who's trying to stay Secret, with its home phone number, cell phone number, all these titles and links and whatnot.
	I mean, it's quite long.
	That made me suspicious initially.
	And in the dialogue with Corey, sure enough, he said, well, I'm really reluctant to come out under my name.
	And I said, why?
	You're out.
	They know who you are on Avalon.
	Avalon is a public forum.
	You know, it's too late.
	And I guess he just didn't, you know, listen to me or couldn't care less or whatever, but he decided in his own mind that he was unknown, even though he'd been on Avalon since 2010.
	So that's how this whole saga went out there.
	But I want people to know that, number one, Actually, I probably never would have interviewed him because of the red flags coming up.
	Two, I didn't come to him.
	He came to me.
	And three, because David Wilcock was going to interview him, and Bill, as a matter of fact, via Christine, his wife, I wouldn't want to touch him as a whistleblower, basically, because I'm not interested in glomming on to whoever else people are getting.
	It's just not the way I work.
	So, it's just very important that I make that clear to people.
	And, you know, I don't think there was a bidding war, as some people are saying, very misguidedly, for the Cori Good information.
	Actually, it was so tame back then that it actually had nothing new in it, as far as I could tell.
	It was all about, you know, artificial intelligence that everyone had out there, nothing specifically great or wonderful.
	There was this thing about, you know, some, I forget what he's called, a colonel or whatever, who was the one who supposedly picked him up and brought him, you know, to Mars or wherever.
	And all of that actually, even then, struck me as questionable.
	But let me say that I deal with questionable testimony all the time.
	So the fact that it was questionable does not make me, like, turn off to it.
	Um...
	I have since been less than interested because actually the blue avian stuff is highly suspect to me and I have a reason for thinking that I know that David is very interested in the raw material and I know that this what is in the raw material if you study it and if you understand the background on the raw group and who raw supposedly is and also to do with You know,
	Horus and all the Egyptian gods and specifically with the Ibis, which has to do with Toth.
	Then you begin to see where blue avian stuff sort of hooks into the raw material, you know, information and Egypt and where somebody like David, who wants to see all this come true and be true, would be vulnerable to taking this on board.
	I love David and respect him.
	I do not think he always has the right end of the stick, so to speak, if you want to call it that.
	He and I will disagree on various things.
	That's normal.
	It's not a problem for me.
	I still consider him a friend.
	I do not think David is a liar.
	I don't think he's out there, you know, to solely make money.
	He certainly wants to survive.
	He has a very healthy ego.
	So do I. I think it's important to have a healthy ego.
	It actually helps you against takeover.
	So it's an important earthly attribute.
	But yes, it can get out of hand.
	And the guy MTV... Now, let me say, I have had interactions.
	I've sat in the same room and talked for quite a long time with the head of Gaim.
	And I know some of his motivations.
	He shared them with me.
	I also have suspicions about some of his other motivations he hasn't shared.
	And I will say that a lot of the sort of dog and pony show that it ended up to be, the Corey Goode story, has a lot to do with the head of Gaim, whose name is Yerka.
	And I may be pronouncing that wrong.
	Yerka Rice, Abby.
	Yes.
	And so I do want to say a caveat here.
	I have also been wined and dined by him and investigated as a possible host for shows on there.
	They flew me to Colorado.
	I was also recently on the Sean Stone.
	Sean Stone has gone on Tagayim and done his show there.
	And there are...
	I know things about the background of Gaia I'm not going to talk about.
	I know things about, you know, employee relations, whatever you want to call that.
	I know...
	You know, I... This is all stuff, you know, where I'm actually on the scene and I can't...
	You know, it's just a coincidence of the way I work...
	You know, my work that pulls me into these places.
	But I do want to say that, you know...
	The head of Gaim became very enthralled by Corey Goode's story.
	And that is the main reason, in my view, based on everything I've heard and know, and I know quite a bit, because David is my friend, that I'm not going to reveal.
	I'm not going to, you know, I just can say that he was very interested in the Corey Goode, Yerka was.
	And that's why as head of Guyum, he made this possible.
	So I also want to say that Jay Widener was involved, but he is not the decision maker in regard to this show.
	Yerka is.
	And I think it's okay to say that Yerka was one of the sole producers, especially in the early days.
	I don't know what goes on now.
	So that's kind of how it got on Gaia and just wanted to set the record straight on all of that.
	I hope I haven't left anything out, but if people want to ask me questions, I'll answer them.
	Now, I don't want to dominate this conversation.
	I did want to set the stage, though, because, you know, when people are talking about you and they say things that they just don't know anything about or they've been lied to, and I have to say, Possibly Christine was lied to because Corey...
	I have evidence that Corey does not always tell the truth.
	That's all I'm going to say.
	I'm not going to go into detail.
	So, be that as it may, I do also want to set the record straight for Shane today because there have been a lot of accusations about him that came out on what was, in essence, I think, a written...
	If I understand it correctly, a written rebuttal from Corey to Bill Ryan when Bill Ryan made his statement.
	One last thing.
	When Bill Ryan made his statement, I kind of didn't want anything to do with any of this because I hate this kind of thing if it appears to be targeting for a personality.
	I don't mind talking about the information and whether the information holds up and why and so on.
	But talking about the personality is a problem.
	I will say that lots of people are mind controlled.
	I don't think everyone is.
	I think some people have broken through.
	My estimation of Corey, after the time when I went through this thing where he also tried to get my YouTube channel taken off YouTube, he sent our dialogue to YouTube with his big signature, which again is not the behavior of a person who is trying to hide their identity.
	And it may be that I misunderstood him when he said he really didn't want to be out there, thinking that when you add two and two with David Wilcock and the interview with Christine and how many years he was on since 2010 on Avalon, maybe I misunderstood that he actually thinks he's hidden.
	You know, whistleblowers are people telling...
	You know truths about certain things and you know often get the you know they think they're hidden when they're not and this is like some kind of human I don't know vulnerability that they have I'm not going to name names I have other whistleblowers who do this.
	And I've had whistleblowers threaten us to take their information off our channel.
	After it's been on there as long as seven years, believe it or not, and gone viral all over the internet.
	I mean, you know, these people can be completely out of their minds.
	But they also are brilliant in many cases, have great information.
	They have lies mixed with truth, etc., etc.
	So this is the sector that we're dealing with.
	And, you know, let me say...
	The mainstream is just a suspect.
	Scientists have been lying to you forever.
	You know, archaeologists have been, you know, digging up incredible finds and not telling you, putting it in hiding in the Smithsonian, for example.
	So if you want to point the finger at a sector that is full of disinfo, you know, don't bother to point to the alternative.
	Yes, they're guilty in some cases, but more truth is coming out of the alternative sector than anywhere else.
	And let me also say that Corey Goode, whether he knows it or not, and was aware of it or not, number one, is heavily mind-controlled, and I'm someone who has been dealing with people with heavy mind control for 11 years, and I'm very good at spotting it.
	Number two, He is, you know, basically being used.
	So with his knowledge or without it, it doesn't almost matter.
	The bottom line is he is being used, and he is, he was trying to target Camelot, number one.
	He was trying to, he was sent in to, it appears, to disinfo the whole sector, which is kind of what's happening now, at least in effort.
	I think it'll fail, but, you know, nonetheless.
	And, you know, this kind of thing goes on all the time.
	He's not the first kind of agent or asset that was sent into the alternative sector to disinfo them, to discredit us.
	And so, you know, rather than people sort of dying in a ditch and having a panic, I think that they need to understand this has been going on forever.
	At least as long as I've been in this sector, which, again, is over 11 years.
	And for much longer than I've been here, because Phil Schneider and all the, you know, the really original great people that were part of this sector experienced this as well.
	And they still do, even when they're, you know, dead.
	Their deaths are being lied about.
	So talk about disinfo.
	It's huge.
	And so I just, you know, I know it's a rant, but nonetheless...
	I have a lot to say about this kind of subject, but it doesn't really have to do with anyone that particularly.
	It just happened that because of the dynamics that went on, because Corey ended up connected with David, and David was connected with Gaim, that there was a sort of smooth road, you could call it.
	Now, whether that was orchestrated from a higher level, from people who are running the secret space program, or at least a sector of it, or a sector that doesn't want to see it succeed, or some reptilians or whatever, I don't know.
	But I certainly know that the evidence of orchestration is there, okay, if you want to look for it.
	And so I think I've covered most of that.
	Now, Shane, I'm sorry to have you sit through that.
	I hope it maybe helped your own understanding to some degree in case there were some details you didn't already know.
	But can you basically now, let's move over to yourself.
	You can reply to some of the things I said, but I also want you to give yourself an introduction.
	Say how you got into this, if you want to call it a mess or a lovely...
	You know, enlightening experience or whatever you want to call it.
	And just, you know, sort of talk about from your point of view, what's going on and why is it that Corey has decided to sort of target you in certain ways?
	I'll kind of start with how I became involved with it all and then go back to some of the other things you said about, you know, what may be leading all of this.
	But I was a member of Avalon for a long time.
	I had kind of had a little bit of communication with Bill Ryan here and there.
	I knew a lot of different people on the forum, kind of behind the scenes.
	I didn't post a lot, but I was a member there for a long time.
	And I saw Simon come up through there, and I had contacted Simon.
	And Simon and I spoke back when he first made his arrival to Avalon.
	And when Corey was first coming out on the forum, he was posting a lot of the information before even the first interview.
	With him was ever done, with Christine and Avalon.
	I had messaged him.
	There was a few things that he had said where he had, especially with some of the cults, the order of their name is particularly important, and there was a couple times where he had gotten that right, and I had taken note of it, so I had started kind of sending him private messages saying hello and Letting him know some of my own background and having some private conversation with him that way.
	Kind of supporting him because at the time I was supportive of him.
	I early on felt pretty strongly about the things that he was saying.
	I thought it was either a very good research or he was involved somehow.
	So I was curious and wanted to get to know him.
	In that time he had introduced me to David Wilcock as well and I spent a lot of time talking to David.
	Who I like a lot.
	I think he's a good person.
	From there forward, I guess how I became more directly involved in all of it was that that interview that he had done with Christine ended up being two parts and the second part was a bunch of audio that at least what I was told from Corey at the time was that Bill didn't think it could be salvaged and was just going to throw it out because the audio quality was too bad and I knew I could fix it because he sent me a clip of it and Showed me what the problem was and I said,
	I can fix most of that and make it sound good enough that you can put it out.
	So I did that for him.
	And through all of that, I kind of watched as Corey and David's relationship developed because I've never actually had a voice conversation with Corey, but we would text chat on a daily basis and I was talking to David almost daily for a few months.
	And so I kind of watched as the story developed and that gave me a lot of my initial red flags and then due to my own kind of experiences in life, I did some other checking and kind of realized that it was something I wanted to distance myself from and so I kind of had.
	During that time I had started writing my blog, The Ruiner blog, for a small group of people, not really intending it to ever become a part of this or that at all.
	And then Because the one that I wrote was about avians.
	I guess someone searching for blue avians had found it, and it talked about the mind control programs behind the avian image and the nonsense that has gone into things like the Law of One and whatnot that all are part of mind control for what people refer to as a secret space program.
	And so that was kind of picked up.
	I believe you reposted it.
	A couple other researchers had reposted it as kind of more evidence, if you will, for the red flags that people were already feeling was that this sounded really familiar and reminiscent of other programs that we were already aware of.
	So from there, I guess when the blog first got discovered and was first posted, Corey and I were still talking and he didn't know that I had written the blog and he was actually messaging me about the blog being posted, being like, see, here's another example of it being an attack on me and kind of almost looking for me for sympathy in it and blaming it on two other people that allegedly he believed had written the blog.
	And then when he found out He even went so far as to say that he had checked with his three-letter organization contacts to verify that it was these two other people and not myself who wrote the blog.
	And then eventually it came out that it was me and he was very quick to post my full name and the bands that I'm in and other information about myself which was rather ironic considering his accusations or anger towards you and his name being used.
	He was the first person to take my name and start putting it all over the place even though lots of people knew who I was and that I had written that and had not done so.
	So from there he started using me as this This kind of shadow figure, Illuminati disinformation agent who was sent out to discredit him and the Blue Avians, and how I was going to lead an orchestrated attack against him.
	And all of this nonsense was going on to his original blog, kind of blasting me and whatnot.
	And I guess because of all of that, people started asking me about it and reaching out to me to talk about it.
	And I had had conversations with people about it, obviously, and I'm open and honest about my involvement and why I believe what I believe.
	A lot of the time, if it's my opinion and people ask what I'm basing my opinion on, even if it's not something that I can verify for them, I will tell them.
	And in one case, it happened with you.
	It happened with Bill Ryan in both my personal discussions with you both when asked why I didn't believe His story and why I believe that him and his wife made it up is that I was shown a video of him doing exactly that.
	Him and his wife sitting there drawing comparisons to the raw material and how David Wilcock would get on board with it because of that and putting it into for that reason.
	Now that's just where I've formed my own opinion from and I would be lying if I didn't say that that was why and I'm It would be unfair of me to say that you should not believe him because I saw that when I can't show it to you.
	So that's just my opinion.
	It's a kind of throwaway data point.
	But when it came back around this time, that was kind of another point that was used was my having said that.
	And that's where Corey is this time around this time.
	The circus bringing me back into it, saying that I've been discredited, that I've admitted to lying about it, blah, blah, blah, blah, all of which is not true, and that if I'm going to either put up or shut up with the video, and I agree with him on that.
	There is no video, so it is a data point that shouldn't be being brought up again.
	It is a put up and shut up, put up or shut up situation, and I don't have it to give to anyone.
	So there's no way that that's ever going to be shown.
	You can pretty much just throw it away at that.
	And so that's all I really tried to say to Corey.
	I responded right to the Stillness in the Storm blog saying, you know, if you believe that I'm discredited because of the things that I've said, you know, kind of go against what you believe.
	Then here's a bunch of examples of you doing the same.
	And I never said that I had that video and was going to release it to the public.
	I said that I saw it and my opinion is based on it because that is the truth.
	That's pretty much where my involvement with it really ends.
	He likes to play this game where I've talked to you and everyone else behind the scenes and made you all believe that for whatever reason that you shouldn't trust him, which I've never done.
	And that's pretty much it.
	So all I can really do at this point is reiterate that, that, Corey, I've got no reason to try and discredit you.
	I've got nothing really against you.
	I don't care other than you keep bringing my name into it.
	So, yeah, I guess that's about that.
	And in terms of why it's being pushed and the agendas behind it, I don't know that that actually comes from Corey or I don't know the man.
	I obviously don't.
	I can't claim to have any kind of insider knowledge that that is exactly what's happened.
	A lot of different people have done research on the people involved with Gaia TV and where some of their affiliations may lie.
	And based on looking at all of that myself, I think that it doesn't have anything to do with Corey.
	I also think that we're going to maybe see evidence in that moving forward because by the looks of things, there may be a little bit of a separation between some of the players involved.
	And I think a lot of these questions will start to come to light.
	And that's why it's good that we're talking about it because there are a lot of red flags and there are a lot of questions and there is some type of motivation here that we can all see and I think that's why we all have our backs up about it, so to speak.
	It's just a matter of pinpointing what it is and trying to avoid that, I suppose.
	And I think discussing it will help us do that.
	Okay, thank you for that.
	Now, there was one time, and you can tell me whether you want to talk about this.
	Actually, I didn't ask you about it, so I'm just doing it here on the air.
	I hope you don't mind.
	Basically, you gave an example one time to me about something that you had run by Corey, and it had something to do with...
	You know, something that didn't really happen to you, but you said it did.
	And then he basically jumped on it and said, yeah, I was there too.
	Do you remember that sort of scenario that you told me?
	Oh yeah, that was a lot of, once he had kind of come forward with his Blue Aviation story to David, because I didn't hear about it from Corey, I heard about it from David.
	And I immediately just, you know, all my alarm bells went off and I called bullshit on it.
	And I was kind of playing with Corey, which has also come out the first time this all went around, that I was, you know, playing along with Corey as if I was involved as well, and he was very receptive to that.
	There's obviously the kind of infamous chat that he posted between the two of us that at the time...
	You know, he was using to support that I was a disinformation agent and then later on went to try and spin that as if it meant that I was just a liar, which is kind of funny.
	He tried to use it in two different ways to support his own agenda.
	But he posted all of those conversations that we had had where I was saying that I was involved with the Sphere Being Alliance as well and they had done this and he was, you know, agreeing with me and It's a very common tactic when you want to catch someone in a lie is to just play along with them and get them to misspeak.
	And so that's what I was doing.
	And I was doing that for my own benefit.
	It wasn't for the public's benefit or whatever.
	I just wanted to know for myself.
	And, um, and that's where that had come from.
	And because of all of that, uh, there was some dialogue about money and he assumed that I was on a payroll and said that he was on the payroll as well.
	And that's that screenshot that has been associated with all of this.
	Um, or if you go back and kind of watch the conversation, my side of it is pretty, well, it's very clear what went on on my side of it and that he jumped to a conclusion and thinking that I was on a payroll along with him.
	So, um, Yeah, I think that's what you're alluding to, or what your question is about anyways, is I was playing games with Corey at the time, lying to him in order to get him to expose his own lie to me.
	And that wasn't something I was doing so that I could come out in the public or come on Project Camelot and tell everyone that I was doing that.
	That was just something I was doing because I wanted to know for myself because I did not believe him.
	Right.
	And I guess you don't mind then saying what the exact, you know, Situation was, because I think specifics can be useful in this scenario since, and I do want to clarify that that post that Bill, that was then put,
	I guess, on the original, I guess it was dark journalist interview with Bill, was posted, you know, the conversation between you and Corey, that had been sent to me by Bill as well years ago, and that was not doctored, from what I understand in any way.
	That was just how it was, right?
	Yeah, I mean, like, Corey had shared it with many people before I ever shared it, so what people draw attention to is there's an edit symbol on that, but it's an edit that he did on his end at the time that he posted.
	It was just a typo that he corrected, like, within a minute or two of having sent it to me.
	Nothing inconspicuous there.
	I don't know how to use Photoshop, so I wouldn't be able to Photoshop something like that.
	And, I mean, there's lots of evidence, because he put it out long before I ever did, that shows that it's not edited in any way.
	If it was edited by anyone, it was edited by him because he put out the original.
	Other than that, I don't really know what to say.
	The specifics of what we were playing along with had to do with my interactions with the giants and stasis beings and his claiming to know what was going on with that and whatnot.
	So I kind of used that as the specific thing to...
	Tell him that I was involved with the same people.
	Well, as I recall, you said you had a meeting last night.
	You had a dream, vision, or whatever experience the night before.
	And that you met or were part of a meeting that was off-planet, if I understand it correctly.
	And he was there too, yeah.
	There were several situations like that.
	Yeah, and then he said, oh yeah, I know all about it.
	I was there.
	Well, that's it.
	When I say that it was a game, that's exactly how the game works, is I say something like that.
	Like, oh, I was at this meeting last night.
	This, this, this, this happened.
	And he's like, oh yeah, I know all of that because I was there too.
	Meanwhile, I know full well I wasn't at any meeting last night.
	None of that happened.
	So therefore, I know that if he's saying, oh yeah, I was there too, and then he's running to David and is becoming part of David's next blog, then I know that it's a lie because I made it up.
	Right?
	And that's how that went.
	Yeah, and it's interesting how that kind of goes and so on.
	So what happens with that is that there seems to be, you know, when people are mind-controlled to a large extent, especially through trauma, they have alters.
	So you're not always dealing with the same person.
	And that person may actually not know what the other part of themselves is doing at any given time.
	And this can account for where a person who will actually, one part of Corey may be lying, the other part doesn't know he's lying and is actually trying to tell the truth.
	And so, you know, and is a well-meaning guy.
	So, you know, and in his experiences and whatever trauma went on, you know, as a child, et cetera, et cetera, we don't know.
	Now, this kind of thing is going on, though, with a lot of whistleblowers and a lot of, well, especially what we call super soldiers.
	Not all whistleblowers, obviously, are super soldiers.
	So there's a dynamic there that, you know, is worth being aware of.
	And, you know, this is also not to say that there isn't a person who is trying to convey something that they believe in.
	there's other people out there that I don't believe, some of whom I interview and some of whom I do not, who are telling stories that they fully and completely believe.
	They may not have been picked up by David Wilcock and Guyam, but nonetheless, they're out there and they've been interviewed by me or other people.
	And sometimes people that I interview are containing some stories that are very good and very valid.
	And every once in a while, they'll be seeded with information that is wrong.
	I'm not sure what's going on here, Blake.
	Sorry, we were also told by Henry Deacon at one point, who's come out under his own name, Arthur Neumann, I was told that he had given us some disinfo.
	And I have to say that I was aware that he had, always had suspected he had, but he actually told me that, you know, coming out honestly about it.
	So my understanding of that is that not only...
	If you work with, you know, like you have contact with various agencies and or you've worked with the military, etc., you may be allowed to say certain things and not others.
	That gets back to the William Tompkins situation in which he, during my interview, talked about reptilians feeding on children and other and even clarified a certain type of child and said he didn't want to talk about it but that it was very true and it was worse than what people think.
	You can go to my interview and hear what he had to say on that.
	And he also said Bob Wood knew a lot about it also, but Bob Wood has since denied that.
	So what has happened here is that William Tompkins then subsequently broke off all contact with me because he got in trouble, I believe, for revealing that.
	Another part of the problem with William Tompkins is that he has been offered, and he even said this on an interview, He's a reverse aging pill and he's very hopeful to get it and that it, you know, you get several renditions of it from what I understand and I have reason to believe that it's real from other people and other angles and I've reported on these on Camelot and I have even a recent exposure to someone who might have been given that pill whose
	name I'm not going to use right this minute.
	So What Tompkins is saying is that in essence, if he doesn't play ball with this group, he is in essence not going to live much longer.
	He's very old.
	And he's also not going to get reverse aged.
	And he has a lot of loved ones he would like to see reverse aged.
	That's what you call spiritual materialism.
	When you're really...
	Obsessed with the body and staying alive in this body in this sector, you know, unlimited amount of time.
	Now there are a lot of Illuminati who that is their aim in life.
	So that's worth knowing.
	But it's understandable with an elderly person that this could be a very desirable thing to have.
	That's also a motivating factor.
	In what's going on here.
	Now, there is another aspect to this story, which has to do with the fact that was sent to me today, actually, by a certain person that I guess has been released.
	And sorry, I forget by who.
	I'm sure they'll become obvious once I talk about it.
	But Apparently, there is a shot, I think it's taken at the Contact of the Desert, which I now find out is produced by none other than Yerka of Guy M.TV fame, behind the scenes.
	And I was always wondering why I wasn't invited to speak there.
	Now I know.
	Because Yerka actually has paid at Camelot compliments, tried to buy our material, and also told me he's glad I'm out there.
	But at the same time, I know he thinks I'm, you know, a threat.
	So what happened was apparently a photograph was taken of William Tompkins and Bob Wood around a table with a person who is now kind of having scrutiny put upon him whose name I don't even remember.
	Something like Richards ends up.
	And he is leading the charge on the Corey Goode, I don't know, comic book movie, whatever, some type of Group effort to bring this stuff further along the trajectory, so to speak.
	And recruitment, it seems, that involves some children, some kids as well, which sounds a little diabolical, but could be well-intentioned in all ways.
	You never know.
	But the thing is that this actually makes me think, again, that this points to an orchestration.
	So someone...
	Is pulling strings to connect these people together and actually make these things happen and the way is being paved for that to happen.
	It is important to understand that, of course, the major media has already been made up of nothing but monopolies.
	These small fish were gathered up the way Yerka at Guy MTV has been gathering up all the alternative sector, paying them lots of money to either get rid of them altogether and just take their material or to keep them on board and give them a show.
	And David Wilcox, one of them, they made me the offer.
	I refused it.
	He obviously saw that I wasn't, you know, because I have a background in Hollywood and producing.
	I wasn't going to let somebody just take over my stuff and so on.
	So Yerka actually asked me recently, he said, I don't understand.
	You know, I'm offering you money and what's the problem?
	You're going to, you know, it's non-exclusive license to your material.
	And I said, I'll tell you why, because I don't like the monopoly you're setting up.
	I don't believe in that.
	I believe in independent journalism.
	So it's important to know what's happening to the sector.
	There are other people besides Yerka that have tried to do the same thing.
	He's not the only one.
	John Rao of the UFO Congress is another person who's a millionaire or a billionaire, whatever he happens to be, I don't know.
	Nice guy, but let's say that he has been influenced by certain agencies, of that I am sure.
	And, you know, this is what's going on.
	It has been going on for a very long time.
	The conferences do not want you to know the real story.
	They are packaging this stuff now for public consumption.
	They know that the biggest researched items on the net are UFOs and sex.
	Okay?
	There's nothing bigger.
	And so the bottom line is they have to deal with this runaway train, which is awareness.
	And waking up on the behalf of humanity.
	They're trying to do all these kinds of normal tricks that they always do, which is to gather things into a monopoly and then control them the way they control the mainstream news.
	And so it's understandable.
	I've just had an offer from somebody else who wants to control a certain portion of the sector.
	But I also think that person is not open-minded enough to allow...
	Anybody or the people out there who want to tell, you know, the truth to speak, he will, you know, pick and choose, and someone he doesn't agree with, he'll get rid of.
	This is a problem.
	So this is what's happening, and I appreciate your story, and I appreciate your tactics, although nefarious, I do understand, you know, within this scenario.
	And this kind of harks back to your own background.
	In fact, Or with exposure to the Illuminati, does it not?
	Absolutely.
	I mean, it is a nefarious act.
	It's not something I proudly do.
	It's just something I had done because I was curious for myself.
	People that I was close to outside of the alternative community were also kind of questioning what was being brought forward in that way because I mean, it didn't take long for people to do the research to find all the programs associated with the things that he was saying either.
	So for people who were in these programs, it was very, very obvious right away and a little bit alarming, really, because they were like, why is this person out there trying to convince people that this is real?
	And that's not that they care all that much, but they saw the danger in it themselves.
	So that's where I was coming from with that.
	It was never so that eventually I could be here talking to you about it.
	But it was what I did.
	You do learn lots of different ways of getting information out of people.
	When I say that I'm trained to communicate and then you listen to me kind of stumble on my words and whatnot, that can be a little bit confusing.
	But one of my kind of gifts is to get other people talking and saying things that they wouldn't otherwise say.
	And that's one tactic that can be used.
	There's lots of other things, even at a kind of energetic level, that you can do.
	And I don't really think a lot of the time, I mean, I wouldn't ever want to make someone say something against their will, so don't mistake me in that way.
	But a lot of times people have things on the surface that they do want to say and can't otherwise feel comfortable saying.
	And in other cases, people are telling lies, and if you get them talking long enough, you will find those lies.
	Absolutely.
	Well, since I'm, you know, such a mainstream or mainstream alternative interviewer, I can say that I employ my own techniques in order to get a straight testimony from someone.
	And I often get the same thing where I get people to say things they've never said before.
	And in some cases, even today, I interviewed two people, you know, David John Oates and his partner in this endeavor of reverse speech, Jay Wilder, and they actually were saying that I got them to think about and say things that they didn't even think, you know, weren't whatever.
	So...
	What happens is this is something you do and you get kind of good at.
	However, it is important that, for example, in Corey's case, if you listen to the Christine interview, you'll see her saga about how she started out believing him, how it caused what it appears to be a breakup of her marriage to Bill Ryan, and then how...
	Motivate Bill to come forward at this time on an emotional level, so that Bill should have kind of come clean about that.
	So if you're also going to look at the material, it's important to realize that there are seeds of good information there, and even things about some blue avians or orbs and so on and so forth may exist in other dimensions and may also be I'm dealing with Corey on some level and other people.
	In other words, it's not so much the individual sort of facts or experiences a person's having.
	He may be having these legitimate experiences.
	Some of them may be manufactured, however, by this program that has sort of a vested interest in keeping people in the dark as to what they're really doing.
	And this is where, you know, the us versus them mentality and then divided we, you know, together we stand, divided we fall.
	It's very important if those of us who are investigators don't stand together in this investigation and call a spade a spade, so to speak.
	That I would commend Brian because he is trying to do that.
	Now, he's not always accurate in his aim, so to speak, and he...
	For coming about his personal investment, let's say, in this particular story, he is making an effort to clear the ground a little and to clarify what's really going on from his viewpoint.
	The trouble is he, you know, of course, does know every side.
	And that's why, again, I call this Rashomon because...
	I don't know every side.
	I've just spent time listening to these people out there talking about various sides and noticing that some of them are saying absolute untruths within their testimony because I know the reality of what really went on certain of these things and they've got it wrong.
	I know they've got it wrong because I was there and so on and so forth in certain areas and yet Maybe quite accurate.
	So this is what's going on constantly.
	And so I just want to kind of draw people's attention to this.
	I wanted to clear the ground and stay, you know, my own small role in this.
	You know, I have actually, since the time I had that dealing with Corey Goode, stayed completely away.
	Although...
	For disclosure purposes, I will say that, and I don't remember exactly when this was.
	I think it might have been a year ago.
	It might have been half a year ago.
	I can't remember because there's too many things going on in this.
	There's a lot of moving targets here, trying to keep track of all the investigations I'm doing and the people and so on.
	But I can say that David did approach me, I think it was a year ago, saying, why don't we do a conference together or something together?
	In which I would interview him and Corey Goode.
	Somehow, that was taken off the table very quickly by them.
	Because I said, okay, fine, I'll interview you.
	But be clear that I'm going to do my real interview.
	And the other thing was that we were supposed to maybe do a conference together.
	And then I lined up a bunch of investors.
	And David said he was too busy.
	First, he was too busy with his book.
	And a deadline, and then he was too busy with something, getting ready, a presentation for the contact in the desert of that year.
	I don't think it was, it wasn't this year, so it must have been over a year ago.
	Anyway.
	All I'm saying is that never happened.
	But David told me he'd gotten a download or a message saying that if we didn't try to work it out like now, like back then, where this rift that was being created in the sector, the sector that we're part of, then that it would be the last sort of chance.
	I was willing, but it didn't happen.
	Now, I can say that it may be that we're supposed to be divided.
	In other words, there are some very dark sides to this story, and I've written about this on my website, in my articles, and so on.
	And maybe you can weigh in here, Shane.
	I understand that there is a concerted effort to disinfo this sector on the one hand, and the other hand is actually trying to get some truth out.
	And this is where you get Tompkins coming out with some wonderful material and then a shutdown.
	Boom.
	He can't talk about certain things.
	So they're trying to steer the story.
	And at the same time, if you become too well-known, and certainly myself and David Wilcock and a few other players out there have become that, and we become a very severe threat to these people.
	Which is why it's really important, in my view, that we start talking to each other.
	You know, these people who, at some cases in the mainstream, hate each other, go to Aspen.
	They go to, you know, well, we're having Bilderberg, like, in a couple days, right, in Chantilly, Virginia.
	They go to G7, and they sit around a table and they talk to each other.
	Now, I've always wanted to do that with the, you know, main people that are out on the sector and, you know, other people as well who are, you know, beginning to come up as media and so and so forth.
	I mean, it's worthwhile to have these kinds of dialogues.
	And I've actually, I had quite a spicy dialogue at one of my recent conferences and people like freaked out, you know.
	Because they only want people to talk nice to each other and lie and smile and say they love each other when in fact they want to knife each other in the back.
	This is just bullocks.
	It's important to talk about real things and it's important to talk about real attacks and it's also important to maintain the love.
	It's important to understand that these humans are fallible and that they are Hybrids, races, and it's quite a challenge to get along with a completely different race of beings of whom that human may be predominantly, you know, they may have their DNA very predominantly in one direction or another.
	I mean, it's highly possible, for example, to just widen your mind to think that both David and And Corey both relate to the blue avians as they relate to the bird beings.
	You know, there are definitely bird beings, you know.
	There are cat beings.
	There are, you know, lion beings, etc., etc.
	Call them what you will.
	So we're all related to these various beings, and some we have much less DNA, we don't have sympathy, and some, you know, make our sin crawl, and yet we have to be in the same room with them, etc., etc.
	But again, dialogues are important.
	So I wouldn't, like, go put your head in the sand like an ostrich over...
	This sort of thing that's going on in the sector, which is bringing a lot of dirt to the surface, it's bringing some truth as well and some understanding.
	And I, for one, don't like targeting of individuals.
	I think that this has been a learning experience for the whole sector.
	And I hope that the newbies coming on board, the ones that are going around spouting, well, isn't it very good who released all the information about the secret space program?
	When, in fact, he was late to the game.
	So late.
	I mean, Camelot was late to the game, but we at least have...
	Led the charge for our era, you know, on this subject matter.
	It's a fact.
	You know, that's where it came from, was Camelot.
	A lot of the investigations came from our whistleblowers.
	Not me, but our whistleblowers.
	So when you look at this situation, you have to actually give credit where credit's due.
	That's part of the problem with Corey Goode.
	Forward is if he's the first guy on the block.
	He's not.
	And never was.
	And maybe that's because he doesn't know anything about other people.
	He doesn't do any reading, no investigation, doesn't look at anything.
	And that's an epidemic, actually.
	It's not necessarily a good thing to be uninformed, especially if you're out in the public talking nonstop and going on television shows, etc., etc., It is an important dialogue.
	I think it's worth having.
	Shane, do you want to address any of that for yourself?
	I completely agree.
	I mean, a lot of my background involves conversing with people that I wouldn't want to converse with.
	I get that question even today, how I can rub shoulders with certain people.
	Still be okay with that or why I don't shy away from certain groups or whatever.
	And it is because of that.
	Because I understand that the dialogue between two parties that don't see eye to eye is important.
	And we need to do more of it.
	And I think encouraging that in any way we can is a good idea.
	I actually remember when that thing with David and you doing your conference came up because you had spoken to me about it.
	And what a great idea even to sit the four of us down.
	If I'm this big bad Illuminati info agent there to discredit Corey, then why wouldn't they want to sit me down?
	Why doesn't David speak to me?
	We've been friends.
	He still claims to like me and be my friends.
	Why won't he speak to me?
	And I think that these types of questions are a problem.
	We should be speaking to each other.
	We should be airing all of these differences, and we should be disagreeing at times.
	I think that any of us should be able to be humble enough to admit that we don't have everything right, and therefore we might be able to learn something from interacting with someone else.
	And I think that the ones that are shying away from that are kind of putting up a red flag for themselves.
	I think that...
	I think that we, in that way, need to grow up a little.
	Absolutely.
	Well, you know, I also want to say that I'll just throw the gauntlet down here.
	Basically, you know, I'm going to be doing a show for Vietnam vets to call in and actually talk about the Mark Richards claims from their point of view and see whether indeed they saw evidence of what is in Mark's claim that there are spider beings that were the real reason for the war in Vietnam I'm going to be doing a show for Vietnam vets to call in and actually It's an outrageous claim.
	It's based on what's called Angkor Wat and watch my interview for more details on this.
	But the bottom line is that I'm perfectly happy to hold a group forum and to talk about all of these subjects with people, including, you know, Corey and David and whoever else wants to be part of it, you know, so they can say their piece among their peers and so other people can respond.
	And, you know, I think if people are grown up enough, End up in a shouting match.
	You know, every person can have a statement and it's okay.
	And there will be some contradictions and maybe some people will learn things about each other they didn't know or they got wrong.
	And that happens a lot, of course.
	So, you know, again, open dialogue is great.
	I think it's worthwhile.
	It may not be so easy.
	The internet, you know, our technology may not Stand for this kind of, you know, group chat in a live situation, but I think it'd be highly worthwhile also to take questions from the audience and so on.
	In other words, part of the tragedy of what goes on here is the people who are running a lot of the conferences are people that have the money to do this and to do the advertising campaigns necessary to get 3,000 people to attend.
	You know, my conferences in England are tiny.
	They're just tiny.
	You know, they're like a little over 100 people.
	I feel that there's a great receptivity here, and I think those are 100 very important people, so I'm happy to do it.
	And it also is allowed.
	It just flows very easily.
	It doesn't flow in the United States.
	It's all about money in the United States.
	It's very difficult.
	We don't really make much money from conferences, by the way.
	However, I'm not getting the kind of numbers they're getting at contact in the desert, and I don't have an advertising campaign like that, etc., etc.
	So what I'm trying to say here is, with all the complaints about sound on my YouTube channel, You know, we don't have the money.
	It's like, you know, we don't have the television quality studio, etc.
	that Gaim has.
	So excuse me.
	But you can understand what people are saying if you listen.
	And if you can't understand it, it might be more about what's wrong with your ears than what's wrong with the audio.
	So keep that in mind.
	Because we hear what we want to hear often.
	So I guess we'll sort of, I don't know, we could go take some questions.
	Would you like to do that?
	Sure.
	One thing I wanted to touch on before we do that is just that there is definitely agendas behind what goes on in this Alternative media as well.
	Ones that you've pointed out, as well as just kind of an overall campaign that's been on for as long as I've been aware of anything having to do with this crowd, is that they want people to look crazy.
	And therefore the bigger, more fantastical story that doesn't actually have basis in reality that someone has actually kind of created out of their imagination is the ones that they would want to get behind the most.
	Because it doesn't matter how much you look into them, even if there are points within the story that do have validity, you're never going to find a real concise answer.
	And it kind of makes the whole community look a little crazy for a new person looking in from the outside when they see something as fantastical as some of the stories can be.
	Absolutely.
	Well, you know, the most wild stories sometimes take the lead.
	On the other hand, truth is stranger than fiction.
	I see this again and again in my life.
	And so I'm willing to keep an open mind, really.
	And I think that that's what's demanded of us here on Earth in this sector and beyond and going further Forward into the future.
	I would urge everyone to keep an open mind.
	And if something doesn't resonate, sometimes there's a good reason for that.
	And I am one that follows my intuition.
	And certain things have not resonated with me.
	That doesn't mean that for sure they're false.
	It does mean...
	Something about them that has some falsity to it.
	There may be a way in which the information came about that's false.
	There may be some overlay.
	There may be some intel agencies involved, et cetera, et cetera.
	You may not always know why something hits you the wrong way, but you just know that it does.
	And to me, it's important to listen to that as well.
	Intuition is just as valuable as is imagination.
	To what you call real data.
	There's such an emphasis on planet Earth to what they call material, you know, what they think is material when everything's light anyway.
	And more and more I'm seeing this around me that, you know, to like value one thing over another.
	To the complete exclusion of this other thing and to think that it can never happen in a million universes is actually kind of ridiculous.
	Why limit the imagination of God, if you want to put it in a poetic way?
	Or us, for that matter, as gods, as gods in the making, which, you know, we are creator beings.
	So we're creating reality as we go.
	So why limit our imagination?
	And this is actually...
	Telling Corey, if he does watch this, and David, that if there's something that has been rubbing us the wrong way in the material, there may be a validity to that.
	But there also may be some truth behind the scene in another way to some of the material.
	Again, there are avian beings.
	They're all over the temples in Egypt and all over various places, all over the world.
	You know, eagles and this one and that one.
	You know, Astrology, and it's just, you know, it's so complex, this story.
	It just behooves us to keep an open mind.
	So I'm going to go to the chat and look for questions, and in the meanwhile, Shane, you're welcome to say anything that occurs to you.
	Well, I definitely agree that keeping an open mind is important when looking at all of this stuff.
	And another thing to keep in mind as well is just You take a story and a lot of the facts of it can be...
	or the details within it can be accurate.
	And you can also just kind of look at where that's been said before.
	I think in this particular...
	About the particular thing that we're talking about, I think what's happened here is one of the best data compilations that I've ever seen, where someone has done a very good job of data mining a bunch of different information and putting it together in one package, and then kind of claiming ownership and first-hand experience to it all.
	But that doesn't necessarily mean that any of those other things that are, he's done that with any of those, the data that he has mined is to be thrown out as well.
	So you do have to keep an open mind, regardless of whether you make up a person's personal involvement with a story.
	Kind of separate that from maybe the data and not throw that baby out with the bathwater, which is a very common phrase in our community.
	Absolutely.
	You know, discerning the truth from within falsity.
	Most of the information are diamonds in the rough.
	That's the bottom line.
	As I've said many times, truth is not delivered on a platter in this sector for a reason that the beings here have decided that they want to learn to discern truth from falsity and get very good at it.
	So this is a great place to do that and to get those muscles working.
	That's how all these programs and projects work.
	Everything's so compartmentalized that there is no one person who sees all of it.
	Even within what I experienced, I saw quite a bit, but it definitely wasn't all of it.
	There's many different aspects that I would never have been aware of.
	And so if one person can come forward and say that they're aware of everything, that to me, from my perspective, is very suspect.
	Absolutely.
	Well, I mean, this is what has happened.
	We have a plethora of people out there doing kinds of interviews, same kinds of things that Camelot's been doing for a long time.
	And, you know, all these people, the players now, people that come forward, whether they're so-called truth-tellers, experiencers, abductees, contactees, so-called whistleblowers, or anything else, they're going the gamut.
	They're going the media gamut, and oftentimes they...
	In other words, they are the ones seeking publicity.
	Don't blame us in the media because we get hit up by these people constantly.
	There's someone in the chat who wants to know why I haven't believed them.
	First of all, I probably haven't even seen your email.
	It's really important to understand that I get tons of email and I never see a lot of emails.
	Even emails from super crucial people that I do searches on their name.
	And my search engine is just, you know, bullocks, basically.
	It doesn't work well in my Mac computer.
	So, you know, it's...
	Please understand, if I don't write back to you, it's just...
	I may not have seen your email.
	That's simple.
	I don't have time to do everything I'm supposed to be doing as it is.
	So, you know, it's also...
	You know, I heard this one person, I guess it was...
	Randy, you know, sort of going on about how people in this sector are trying to, you know, be grandiose with regard to media, etc.
	And it's just, you know, most people that I come across find this, in some ways, a very thankless job.
	You know, you don't make much money no matter what you do, writing books, whatever it is.
	It's impossible to make a lot of money doing any of these things.
	And we're all just trying to survive.
	That seems to be the bottom line.
	I don't know anyone who's getting wealthy from this.
	I even heard Gaim was failing for quite a long time.
	Whether they are now, I don't know.
	You know, so it's kind of like things are relative.
	You know, the Illuminati may have a lot of money.
	People in this sector, I really don't think that they should be your first targets on making money.
	You know, I think you really need to get your head straight if you're starting to attack.
	People like even David Wilcock, who might be making enough to stay alive, but I know for a fact he's not, you know, doing super well.
	And, you know, this is just what's happening.
	You know, it's really, really difficult to make a living and to do this.
	And it's also a fucking headache and a half.
	And, you know, whether I swear on my own show, I suppose it's okay.
	You know, the bottom line is it's unbelievably difficult to get enough money just to stay alive.
	And it actually only gets harder.
	And I've been living on donations and the kindness of strangers, basically.
	I work my ass off to do so, nonetheless.
	And, for example, Jimmy Church, he makes money.
	I think he gets paid.
	But, you know, he's also working all the time.
	People in that we have to be super well informed.
	Our work is never done.
	It's just unbelievable.
	...is working just as hard as the rest of us.
	And so, you know, I think it's really important to understand money.
	If you're in this sector for money, go elsewhere.
	It's not happening.
	You know, maybe it will in the future.
	You know, look, I hope to make blockbuster Hollywood movies and become a multimillionaire, but it hasn't happened yet.
	So that's just a rant about money.
	Anyway...
	Let's see.
	Is there anyone else who wants to ask a good question?
	Because I'm not actually seeing good questions here.
	I'm seeing statements.
	Lots of statements.
	All right.
	Well, I guess people don't have questions because they're not really asking them.
	have you met or witnessed a jumper Do you want to answer that, Shane?
	I'd have to know what they mean by a jumper.
	The movie jumper?
	Something like that.
	Do you mean the kind of people that jump off bridges, or do you mean the kind of people that jump timelines that they made a movie about?
	We're all jumpers, in my view.
	What do you have to say, Shane?
	Anything?
	Oh yeah, I mean, it's a portaling from place to another isn't uncommon.
	It happens for various types of reasons and to various types of people.
	So, I mean, yeah, we've all witnessed that.
	I think I need a little bit more specific question, what exactly they want to know.
	Okay, let's see what else here.
	Do we need a billionaire?
	Yes, we could use a billionaire.
	You know, feel free to contact me offline.
	Whether the person is real or what.
	And by the way, I don't know if everyone knows that, you know, Bigelow was just interviewed by CBS and he basically said with, you know, unequivocally, he's working with the secret space program and NASA. He's got his own aerospace company and he's a billionaire, in case you don't know.
	And he said aliens are real, they exist, and they're here on Earth as well.
	So that was major news the last couple days, in case you didn't hear that.
	Military looking to see who is linked to blue orbs.
	It's kind of a fragment of a question.
	Does that mean anything to you?
	I think that's part of the dynamic of pushing stories like this is to see who else comes forward with it.
	I've mentioned this before in other talks where kind of part of it is like get people talking and then like you had said it's truth out and there's two sides to that trying to disclose truth or give truth to the public or trying to get the truth out of the community in some way because there's a lot of I think we're good to go.
	I think we're good to go.
	into the alternative media in order to get people talking about a specific subject because they want to learn about it based on our experiences.
	So when they get us talking about it, they might have all that data that we've talked about and learn in that respect.
	So there's that aspect of getting the truth out of the community as well as getting the truth out to the community or to the world in general.
	So I think that answers that question.
	Yeah, I agree with that.
	Let's see, somebody's asking a good question for a change.
	This is a very good question.
	Who gave you the video that supposedly was spying on Corey and his wife as they were plotting this situation?
	I mean, he works for one of those organizations, like CIA, I can't be exactly specific, and was kind of doing an investigation because, like I said, a lot of the people who are insiders, so to speak, just thought this was very outlandish and wanted to know where it was coming from for their own well-being, and that's a lot of why I still support that a lot of it just is the brainchild of Corey and not them, because they were just as surprised and kind of laughing at it as I was.
	So it was that kind of a situation with a friend of mine who's still involved with their organization and asking them to do a little digging and they were able to get in touch with someone who's able to pull out most surveillance equipment is running all the time whether you know it or not.
	My cell phone right now that I'm walking around holding my hand even though I don't have the video running is recording my video.
	Yes.
	they can tap into that kind of stuff whenever they want and he had the ability to do that and the ability to give me a temporary file there's a technology that people are pretty familiar with called snapchat where you can send a picture and it disappears in a few seconds or whatever I mean, going back to the Inspector Gadget cartoon, the little notes that Inspector Gadget used to get, they would explode in three seconds, right?
	Yes.
	Same type of idea.
	That same type of technology has existed for a long time and it's been a way for us to pass data around digitally and not leave too much of a fingerprint is because they can remotely remove it from their end as well.
	So they'll give you access to a dossier or a file or a video or audio recording and then take it away as soon as they know that you've So in that case, that's how that worked on my end.
	Okay.
	So let me ask you this.
	When Corey and you were exchanging those emails, or not emails, sorry, the chat, and you were saying, you know, basically you work for the company or somebody saying they work for whoever they work for, on the payroll, I guess was the phrase.
	And...
	Let's actually say this.
	Did you ask Corey who he was working for at any time directly?
	No, I didn't.
	As far as what he had said was just that the Sphere Being Alliance was taking care of him.
	I know the way, I hate using this word, the secret space program works.
	The military end of that actually does have to do with the technology associated with space travel.
	And the interactions with ETs, that particular group does have enough money to throw around that if they want to pay your bills for you or whatever, they can.
	So as an example, if you were somehow doing some work for them and you missed a job, they would reimburse you for that.
	Or they can just straight up employ you to do what they are asking you to do in the public area.
	And I believe...
	I believed when he said that that is what he meant, that the secret space program was paying him.
	Okay.
	And, you know, it is interesting.
	If he's telling the truth, then he should, you know, not be so reticent to admit it.
	It is interesting because his whole story is about working for the secret space program as it happens.
	You know, being selected...
	As an intuitive to supposedly go off-planning and attend meetings, etc., along with this captain or colonel or whoever he was.
	I forget the guy's name.
	In other words, that sounds a lot like working for somebody.
	Yeah, and that's where even the title of this particular talk comes into play, because when Corey was saying that to me, Like he was saying, you know, I'm being paid by the people I'm working for.
	And other people can take that out of context and say, see, it says that the Illuminati or the CIA or whatever disinformation campaign they believe is supporting him, is paying for him, right?
	So it is just a perspective thing at that point.
	Obviously, Corey is the only person who actually knows the truth there.
	Sure.
	Well, it is interesting.
	I do want to clarify one thing that, I guess it was Bill Ryan said on one point, he said that he felt that Corey was in suddenly, and Christine actually reiterated this, so Corey must have been in a bad way financially.
	And that's not unusual for somebody who works for intelligence agencies and or the military for a period of time and then sort of sits by the wayside and waits to get paid and or get another assignment to which they can be paid.
	They end up to have, you know, be very in dire need of funds.
	But this appears to have been a much more long term association.
	We're talking about mind control that goes back many, many years.
	So working for agencies as an asset, knowing or unknowing, this is not something that just happened recently or as of 2013, say, when both Christine and Bill seem to have gotten in touch with him.
	So I do think it's rather important to kind of clarify that, that this is going to be a pattern going back many, many years in his life.
	And it often happens with whistleblowers that they work for one agency for a time, And then they work for someone else.
	They may work for the army for a time and then the navy.
	They do get traded around if they're in fact really working for somebody.
	Now if it's all a figment of his imagination, that's another matter.
	The trouble is it is very hard to tell.
	And you do need some corroborating testimony to bring validation to his actual, you know, one-on-one, so to speak, experiences.
	And this is where it's kind of a problem.
	Now, whether or not, for example, David Wilcock might have gotten some closer look at who Corrie indeed was working for or has worked for or got paid to go up or taken up in a ship.
	Whatever David's access was to vetting his witness, we don't know, or at least I don't know.
	And so that might be a question worth asking.
	Now, do you have anything further to add?
	I'm actually looking for questions and not seeing them here.
	I know that my own interaction with David after Corey had come forward and after my blog was discovered and The first blow-up between him and I had started was that he had told me that someone from the Alliance had given him information that showed that I was weaponizing our conversations like mine and David's conversations Against him for the cabal, which I know for a fact has never happened, and there's no evidence of that ever happening.
	But his saying that to me does imply that in some way he's being convinced that this alliance is real, and they're communicating with him in some way.
	Whether that did come from Corey or not, I can't know.
	All I know is the way that David said it to me, which was that someone in the alliance had made it clear that basically we weren't supposed to have contact him and I. Why are these people dictating what humans can and can't do, may I ask?
	Well, there's a good question.
	I don't understand how these people who believe in freedom are just suddenly giving their freedom away to some unseen so-called beings because they're blue.
	I mean, you know, this is absurd.
	You know, giving away your power is a really dangerous thing to do as a human, let me tell you.
	There's good evidence that that doesn't work out well.
	Going across history.
	And that means that all the aliens that were watching, you know, all the humans, you know, basically destroy...
	Kill, maim, etc., etc., all the pogroms and all the, you know, the sort of Nazi-like elimination games that have been played over the centuries with many races, including the Native Americans, let me say.
	Nobody stepped in from, you know, heaven to stop these things from happening.
	So if you think they're going to stop it in the future, you've got another thing coming.
	I'm afraid.
	You know, humans, it's up to us.
	You know, we need to break this game down.
	We need to figure it all out.
	And we need to look out for each other in the process.
	So, let me see.
	there was one other question here something about is Corey's data on inner earth false also I mean, you can't make blanket statements about any of his data.
	He's got some very much stuff on artificial intelligence, you know, and again, where did he get his data?
	You might want to ask that question.
	Did he gather it on the internet?
	Did he gather it from, you know, did he psychically tap into the universal mind?
	It's perfectly possible to get it that way.
	You know, there's so many different ways.
	Inner Earth, there's lots of evidence, lots and lots of books about beings that It's rampant, actually.
	And so there are so many stories to be had.
	Did he read them?
	Did he even read one of them?
	I don't know.
	But, you know, there's a tremendous amount of information about that out there.
	Or even if, let's say what he's saying is true, let's look at it as it's a very big planet, and if the Earth is as hollow as The claim is made that there's probably a lot of different groups meeting down there, a lot of different groups existing down there, which means he met a group of them, not necessarily all of them.
	So that's another thing to be kept in mind.
	I think you and I spoke on this in the last talk we had together about the generalization of groups and ET types and the idea that I met beings from Hollow Earth and therefore all the Hollow Earth beings are the same.
	That would be an unfair assumption.
	Right.
	You know, it is interesting, sort of this split that goes on.
	Somebody's saying, you know, David's a very good researcher, and indeed he is.
	One thing that I have noticed in the sector, a very big emphasis on what are, in essence, we kind of call them, you know, new agers.
	And those are people who...
	I prefer to turn a blind eye to what is in essence real conspiracies that are going on around them because they want to have a happy life and they want to feel good.
	And these are souls that basically have decided to sort of have a certain kind of tunnel vision about what's really going on in my view.
	I think yin and yang, seeing both sides, seeing 360 is vital for us as humans.
	And I do have to say that there is a concerted effort to, in essence, use sort of new agers who are kind of feel-good types to put out only feel-good material that then will be used to disarm humans.
	And so that they won't defend themselves, whether individually or as a group, from any kind of invading races, regardless of what type they are.
	And there is a sort of an invasion scenario going on.
	It's been going on for centuries and centuries on planet Earth.
	The fact that we're hybrids is part of that invasion scenario.
	Some of it's a good thing.
	And some of it's not.
	And the frequency fence put in human DNA by the Anunnaki is one of those times when they wanted to dumb down humanity and also shorten their lifespans, apparently.
	So there's evidence to this effect and lots of information about it going back in time.
	So when you look at sort of a concerted effort by a certain portion of the secret space program to only put out feel-good information, and then there's another side that actually wants to tell you more or less the truth to the best of their ability, but none of these people can actually talk the whole truth.
	It seems.
	Nonetheless, they will tell you the negative things and maybe not talk enough about the positive beings out there and the fact that we're here at all being testimony to something rather miraculous on behalf of humanity and keeping this experiment here on planet Earth going.
	So it's a big picture.
	It's not a one-sided picture, however, and people can be used.
	Well, this is what we talked about before with this particular Blue Avian Sphere being Alliance, is that it's a bit of a hurry-up-and-wait program, or a stand-down-and-wait.
	It is kind of stopping anyone from taking action or doing anything and just saying, don't worry, you know, all you need to do is raise your vibration and everything will be okay.
	That's not necessarily true, I mean, and even if it is, we've been hearing that for a long time, we've been trying it, it's not working, so...
	When it comes to material like this, that's another thing to watch out for is just, you know, what is actionable from it?
	Is there anything actionable from it?
	And if there's not, then it definitely doesn't deserve, you know, your money and your attention and everything in such a severe way.
	Maybe just kind of skim through it, take data points out of it, and file it off with everything else, but...
	You really have to look at what the end result of the information is and if it is just a savior program like we've talked about before or if it does somehow disempower you and take the responsibility away from you and place it on someone else then that's probably a red flag you should take a closer look at.
	That goes for also any ET abductions experiences in which they say they're going to take care of your president, get rid of him, and they're going to give you whatever you want and peace on earth, etc.
	Actually, peace is overrated, I'm afraid, at least the kind of peace they're talking about.
	Humans in this particular sector and the challenges here are actually a lot more fascinating and more interesting to live among.
	If you think about nothing but so-called peace, a lot of that is just stultifying boredom is what we're really talking about.
	So I pity the individuals that are just dying for nothing but peace.
	That doesn't mean I'm an advocate of war, actually, on the contrary.
	But I do think that there's a whitewash going on when people use these terms sort of incessantly.
	I think you have to be very, very careful about what they're really talking about.
	And then you need to go read Childhood's End by Arthur C. Clarke.
	And there's a bunch of different dynamics going on here because we have a lot of younger people coming into our alternative community for the first time.
	And if the first thing that they see is this really big, great deal of story and they haven't had time to Check it or do any of the research involved to see where it came from, then it can be a little overwhelming and it's very easy for someone to look at that as the savior and as, you know, I don't need to do anything because this is happening.
	And that's where the responsibility comes on people like myself and yourself to make sure that we paint an even view of things so that nobody's really kind of resting on laurels and waiting for someone else to come along and clean up their mess and And, you know, different people I know are trying to approach that in different ways.
	I did a show last night with a man named C.W. Chanter who thinks that a lot of this stuff is just complete nonsense, and therefore he approaches it from that way, and that's healthy.
	But, I mean, even that kind of conversation, these are all conversations that need to be had.
	You know, we need to talk to each other when we disagree.
	we need to talk to each other when we do agree we need to compare notes, we need to share stories, and we need to try and figure out what's going on because it's a lot better than just sitting around waiting for the giants to come around and make their perfect or the greys to come around or the reptilians to come around and say their story and make everything perfect again and we need to try and figure out what's going on because it's a lot better than just sitting around waiting I don't think any of them are going to happen and it's really not healthy for us to sit around and wait for any of them to happen
	Yeah, absolutely so I So, I'm not sure there is more to say at this moment.
	I don't see any really pressing questions coming up in the chat at the moment.
	Well, something just went by me.
	Someone wants to know, do you still think the reptilians have left the earth?
	Have you ever thought that?
	What I had said, the statement that I had made is that the Draco Empire had left the Earth, and that doesn't mean that all Draco have left the Earth.
	That just means that if you look at a corporation as, you know, the main portion of it has put their attention elsewhere, that doesn't mean that there's not still Draco bouncing around and that they wouldn't come back or any of the above.
	It just means that Earth is no longer a central focus for the bulk of the Empire any longer.
	And where you get your information.
	You know, it's understandable that you may think that.
	Whether it's actually true, I don't know.
	But I would say that it is interesting to me where you get your information from.
	Do you want to say?
	Well, in that case, I've had interaction with Draco for most of my life.
	I'm pretty used to them.
	As well as what I've called the parents for a title's sake.
	So that's my understanding of things.
	Obviously, I could have been lied to.
	My own kind of ability to see things also dictates that that is the case.
	But once again, that doesn't really mean anything other than that particular empire that hadn't focused on Earth for so long has kind of given that up to the What people are calling the Secret Space Program slash Illuminati people, like the actual people hybrids that they've brought up and are now leaving behind to run things for them.
	So in a way, it's not much different other than I think it's a little bit easier on us or it gives us a little bit more of an opportunity to see it and overthrow it.
	I don't know if that's the right word.
	Get out from underneath it.
	Okay, well, I think there's an important distinction to be made between Draco and reptilians that a lot of people don't make.
	Absolutely.
	So, you know, I'm not going to kind of question it any more than that, other than to say that, you know, everyone has to reach their own conclusions and, you know, that piece of information from your point of view.
	And, you know, the investigation continues.
	There is evidence, certainly, that the reptilians are coming from the Draco galaxy and that perhaps the Draco are still very involved, but they're involved long distance as opposed to short distance, let's say.
	So that's also a question.
	I'll never deny that the whole system is a Draco system and therefore whatever is being perpetuated beyond that is definitely still their involvement.
	So it's not like I'm trying to alleviate any type of responsibility.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	In which we were again addressing the Corey Goods situation without trying to name names and get too personal about it.
	Those were done over the past few years.
	And so those are there for you to take a look at.
	I also want to say that I wrote an article, and you're welcome to read the article, sort of talking about What it means when you're a whistleblower in that testimony.
	I do think whistleblower is a very important term.
	I think it's worthwhile.
	I think it has a good definition.
	And I think it's important to know that it goes beyond corporate whistleblowing.
	And I think the evidence speaks for itself on the good testimony side of that.
	Whether or not Corey Goode is truly a whistleblower in the true sense of the word or not, which seemed to be sort of A question out there is perhaps for him to say it's unclear whether or not he indeed has a background in the secret space program or not at this time.
	Most of it is his subjective point of view and we don't really have any supporting evidence to say that he himself has done and seen all the things he's claiming.
	We know they exist because other people have talked about them.
	But, you know, this is how it gets in.
	If I tell you, I have been to Mars and I've seen this and that, how do you know I've been to Mars unless somebody else comes forward and says, I've seen you on Mars, so to speak?
	There's a few other ways you can intuitively, you know, suss this out.
	You can use reverse speech.
	If you want to find out if somebody's lying, that's another good way.
	Apparently.
	And you can also compare and contrast all the information out there and see, you know, start to really educate yourself so that you have a better way of vetting information other than, you know, using your intuition, which is great, you know, or basically being there.
	It's another right way.
	We often get a lot of great stuff from people in person that you can't actually get over the medium of the internet and Skype and so on and so forth.
	So that's an important ingredient too.
	Thanks as always for watching.
	Any parting comments, Shane, would you like to say?
	Not particularly.
	I just love you all.
	Thanks for listening and Be well.
	Take care of you for us.
	Alright.
	You take care and thanks so much again for being part of the show tonight.
	Really appreciate it.
	Really enjoy talking with you.
	Likewise.
	And I'm sure we will do it again sometime.
	Okay, very good.
	So everyone, I want to say thank you again for watching.
	And as I say, I'm here to lead a tour of the ancient sites with Maria Wheatley, who is a dowser.
	And there's an interview on my YouTube channel with her if you want to learn more about her and her abilities.
	We do have a few tickets left, if I understand it correctly.
	I have a couple tickets.
	Tickets for the Stonehenge portion, the night visit that we are making on the 6th of June, waiting to see what the situation is with those.
	I think we have our remaining two tickets, but they may be taken or maybe not.
	I don't know.
	Write to me at kerry at projectcamelot.tv.
	Also go on my website under events to the events page and you can buy day tickets to join us.
	Of course if you join us you also end up supporting Project Camelot and making my work possible.
	We'll be doing some very interesting filming when we're doing these At these ancient sites, so we may catch some interesting things on film as well.
	Thanks again for watching, and again, I am actually doing another interview tomorrow.
	I think it's about the Freedom of Information Act in Britain and some of the problems with it, so that you could stay tuned to my channel to get the information on when that's happening exactly, because I'm still trying to figure out the time.
	Thanks again for watching and have a great night.

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