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May 17, 2017 - Project Camelot

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CHEMTRAILS EXPOSED: PETER KIRBY AND GINNY SILCOX

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	Thank you.
	I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and I am here tonight with two very interesting guests.
	We have Peter Kirby and Ginny Silcox, and we're going to be talking about Peter's book, Chemtrails Exposed, The New Manhattan Project.
	And Peter was on my show quite a while ago, I think maybe a year or two, And he is a very interesting guy.
	He's been investigating chemtrails for quite some time.
	Ginny Silcox is a scientist and she's been helping him.
	And I'm going to read their very short bios here just briefly so that you can get this sort of overview of who they are quickly.
	And this is on my website as well.
	If you're interested, to go to projectchemlotportal.com and, you know, read along with me.
	You're welcome to do so.
	And I'm going to put them in the meanwhile on the screen here.
	And guys, say hello to the audience.
	Hi, everybody.
	Hello.
	Okay, so it says here that Ginny Silcox has years of experience in electromagnetic compliance for light-based medical instruments.
	This includes investigation into the effects of radiated and conducted emissions, Electrostatic discharge and short and long field radio emissions.
	She has degrees in music, electronics and language acquisition and several years experience designing training for radiological emergency responders for the National Nuclear Security Administration, part of the Defense Department.
	Office, what is it called?
	DOE, anyway.
	Department of Energy.
	Department of Energy, okay.
	Peter Kirby is a San Rafael, California researcher, writer, and activist.
	He is staff writer at activistpost.com.
	Among many others, Peter has appeared as a guest on Corbett Report with James Corbett, Caravan to Midnight with John B. Wells, and Coast to Coast AM with George Norrie.
	And Project Camelot, you should include me, Kerry Cassidy.
	He has been published on websites such as Disclosed TV, DavidIke.com, Global Research, The Daily Sheeple, Waking Times, and DCCI Clothesline, it looks like.
	DCClothesline.com.
	Yeah, they're pretty good.
	Great.
	Okay, so at this point, what I want to do with you guys is actually...
	Turn this over to you and find out, you know, if you can talk about, for the moment, a little bit more about each of your backgrounds.
	So we just go one at a time and then we will kind of go down the road getting into this book and all the different aspects.
	And we want to elaborate on where you've been since we last spoke with you as well.
	So that's what we're going to do here.
	And welcome again to the show.
	Yeah, we're happy to be here.
	This is great.
	Lovely.
	Okay, so let's see.
	Peter, do you want to go first and talk about your background?
	Okay, yeah.
	I'm basically nobody, just a guy driving a cab who was very offended by these lines in the sky and very offended when I realized what was going on here, how they've been spraying us on a large-scale domestic basis for 20 years.
	And then you do the research and you find out they've been spraying us with whatever they want, whenever they want, for 70 years.
	And, you know, this type of stuff is just totally unacceptable to me.
	I don't like the fact that there's no way to get away from this.
	I mean, you know, you've got to have millions of dollars and, you know, live on a yacht out in the South Pacific somewhere or something like that.
	Or, you know, I want to be here.
	I want to be here where I am.
	I like being here.
	I don't like being attacked.
	I don't like being put in a situation where I can't escape being assaulted by their garbage.
	Absolutely.
	Well, so this gets into why you're doing what you're doing, but you have done a tremendous amount of research.
	So were you motivated, aside from that, by any particular personal experience or You know, why did you decide to write a book?
	Well, a few reasons.
	You know, I realized what was going on probably in about 2009, 2010.
	The documentary, What's in the World, Are They Spraying?
	That was probably the thing that pushed me over the edge, that, you know, really showed me that this is what was happening here because a reputable scientist such as Ginny Another guy by the name of Francis Mangels, a lot of your listeners probably know of him.
	He was in that movie talking about these amazing amounts of aluminum in the snow and the rain and what it's doing to the small aquatic life and all this type of stuff.
	I was hot about it.
	I was mad about it.
	I wanted to ring bells.
	I wanted to yell at the top of my lungs.
	I wanted to Tell people about this.
	This is absolutely insane that this is going on and no one's even talking about it.
	And then I went to Amazon.
	I don't know when exactly I did this, but, you know, you go to Amazon, you search chemtrails.
	I wanted to find books about chemtrails, right?
	And so, you know, something that's going to tell me what all this is.
	And at the time, all I found that was worth anything really was one book.
	William Thomas' book, Chemtrails Confirmed.
	It came out in 2004.
	I ordered it and read it.
	That's kind of started me on the whole research journey.
	Just the fact that there was only one book about it on Amazon, I was disappointed.
	I wanted a book that was going to tell me everything about this.
	I figured somebody knows what this is and figured it all out and everything.
	Sadly, that book was not available.
	I mean, William Thomas' book is great.
	It's really wonderful.
	But what it is is, you know, people's personal stories.
	And he goes into a lot of other avenues of investigation as well.
	But this was the best information available at the time.
	And he did a great job with what he had at the time.
	But it didn't really tell me exactly why they're doing it.
	What it is, who's doing it, where this all comes from.
	And so, you know, I realized that I should write this book.
	And also I realized that, you know, there would be a monetary compensation for myself.
	I'm not trying to present myself as some monk that, you know, lives up in a monastery somewhere and, you know, devotes his whole life to, you know, sacrifices his life for, you know, activism or whatever.
	I like doing what I'm doing, but I also like making money.
	I think people should be compensated for their activism, for their good deeds.
	And I think this is a great use of capitalism.
	In fact, I think it's the best use of capitalism.
	Someone like Alex Jones is doing it on a level 100 times of what I'm doing.
	But this is what, in my opinion, this is what capitalism in America is meant for.
	It's for people to be compensated for doing work that's going to help our society.
	Okay.
	Very good.
	So, Jenny, can you talk about your experience?
	Let's see if I can get you back up on the screen here.
	There you go.
	And a little bit of your background, how you got into helping Peter, for one thing, and...
	And also, why he tapped you as a scientist in particular to help him out.
	It's kind of funny because I don't really think of myself as a scientist, although I've done an awful lot of scientific investigation.
	I don't call myself a scientist.
	Okay.
	What do you call yourself?
	All those things that I read?
	I'm a musician.
	Oh, really?
	I have done a lot of...
	A lot of science.
	And during the years that I was working on the medical instrumentation, electromagnetic compliance is a huge issue for medical instrument accuracy, reliability, and the stuff I was working on, I was in research and development.
	One of the things, if a company wants to sell their products in Europe, they have to really jump through a lot of testing and compliance.
	There's a huge body of regulation of how medical instruments perform and what kinds of things can compromise that performance.
	That's the kind of testing I did.
	I had to take new designs for pulse oximeters, reagent gas monitors, which are for anesthesia gases, and also a thing called a tissue spectrometer.
	That was some of the later experience I had.
	Basically, those are all devices that either have to do with trauma, The tissue spectrometer can sense whether or not a patient is going into shock in the emergency room and it doesn't using light shining into the TNR mount of your hand.
	And all these instruments use light in a way that is fascinating to me, but also standard medical instrumentation has to be Pretty rugged, because the hospital environment is so filled with all kinds of radio signals from ambulances and police,
	and it's also a very dirty, electromagnetically dirty environment because of things like MRI machines, NMR, nuclear magnetic resonance, and also because of induced behaviors.
	You put a In a crash cart, you'll see a bunch of medical instruments that are rolled down a hallway that is highly polished by a person wearing synthetic scrubs on nylon wheels.
	And they get down to the doorknob, and they're holding onto the cart, and they go to open the door, and a shock of about 8,000 volts discharges audibly and visually from their hand to that doorknob.
	And they are coupled into those instruments.
	The field collapse around those instruments can induce voltages within them and actually destroy them.
	And so medical instruments, the problem with...
	Any device, any electronic device, is not so much that the device would stop working, but that it would be compromised.
	They call it walking wounded.
	And a walking wounded device doesn't really give you any indications that it's got a problem, but the data it's delivering can be wrong.
	And then a doctor is making maybe a life or death decision based on wrong data.
	So that's the kind of stuff you really want to...
	The Europeans are extreme.
	The International Electrical Commission has a set of standards, and I've done a lot of static testing.
	They call it electrostatic discharge on various devices, and it's pretty tedious, but it's really...
	It's kind of where electronics is kind of in the realm of mystery.
	It's kind of like magic, because...
	Those phenomena are either really fast and hard to track and it takes us extremely expensive instrumentation, measuring instruments to be able to pick up what's going on with that device.
	Okay, but just to ask you, you know, how this relates to chemtrails.
	Well, a lot of these devices are completely human health and human existence is tied to respiration.
	And we have seen asthma going off the charts.
	And I've done clinical field studies on these instruments, for instance, at St.
	Joseph's Hospital in Denver.
	And watched a couple of bronchoscopies and they're pretty invasive procedures and basically what I was doing was testing prototype devices to see whether or not they performed well in a situation like that.
	So respiration is, you don't breathe, you don't live, right?
	I think what Carrie's trying to get at here is Is your knowledge of the electromagnetic portions of the New Manhattan Project.
	I mean, I think the listener and the viewer can see that...
	That's the next sentence.
	Okay.
	Sorry, sorry to interrupt.
	The next sentence is, when you look up at the sky, especially in Colorado and in New Mexico, where I spent the last several years before I retired, I started seeing all these chemtrails.
	And two of the years that I spent working for the Department of Energy, I spent...
	Mainly working at Kirtland Air Force Base.
	And so I had a very good, both of my parents were pilots.
	And I have a pretty, at the time, I was looking at all these contrails that were persistent and spreading and thinking, at first I thought, well, what's wrong with the jets these days?
	What in the world are they doing?
	And why are these trails persisting?
	About what year was this, Janie?
	It had to be about seven years ago, seven or eight years ago.
	But then you start looking at problems, especially with children, with respiration.
	Things that show up when you're doing this research on instruments that are supposed to measure breathing efficiency.
	And to me, there's an exact coupling.
	In the amount of respiratory distress we've seen and the proliferation of this crap we're seeing being dumped into the atmosphere.
	And then, I don't remember, Peter, I think I contacted you.
	Yeah, I believe you contacted me.
	It was through the editor of Activist Post.
	Oh, yeah, it was Activist Post.
	He sent an email to Activist Post and he forwarded it on to me.
	But what was your actual connection?
	In other words, I get that, you know, I can see how what you're doing, Ginny, or what you have done has translated into especially the, as you say, the more electromagnetic side of things.
	But what can you say about, you know, in terms of, did you connect because of chemtrails?
	Or was it another question?
	You know, why did you connect?
	Well, there are several things that go on with chemtrails, and I have to say that right around the same time that Peter and I were making contact, I was, you know, I'm just a curious person, and I was really interested in understanding HAARP technology and read the full text of the Eastland patents and began to realize that a lot of the chemtrails I saw were actually being modulated by Radiation of some kind
	that we could not see unless there was a cloud body there to actually show the rippling effect.
	And I began to realize that, you know, most of HAARP technology has to do with, especially the research, the early research was based on the ionosphere.
	And yet the chemtrails are being deposited in the troposphere, for the most part the stratosphere, lower down.
	Because planes can't really fly that easily.
	No plane that I know of can go up to the ionosphere.
	So I started looking at Air Force research and actually downloaded, I got a copy of the Declassified Air Force Space Command budget from 2008 to 2010.
	And if you read through all the gobbledygook, you begin to see that they have military uses for some of the substances in in the chemtrails that it's not weather modification per se it's satellite occultation and things like that so if you start reading through all the jargon you begin to see that they are using a huge amount of electromagnetic energy to mobilize the substances that are within
	the chemtrails to accomplish some of their military aims and that couples in with Peter did a tremendous amount of research for this book On some of the early, I guess I'd call them techniques or ideas about how aerosols could be used in warfare.
	And since then, it's just been a constant development of more and more correlation between the electromagnetic side and the chemical side.
	Okay.
	And things are always changing, so...
	Also, the thing about HAARP that really got me going was the fact that the ionosphere is heated up to...
	The standard technique of creating what I call a HAARP antenna in the ionosphere is to superheat an area of the ionosphere up to about 5,700 degrees, and that creates a dome of superheated...
	And it basically is so superheated that it's a plasma.
	It's ionized.
	And the boundary conditions between the absolutely cold part of the ionosphere meeting up against this 5,700 degree bubble creates almost like a mirror.
	That they can then beam secondary energy up into that dome and bounce it off.
	It's kind of like an upside-down stainless steel bowl.
	So they can send a secondary signal up into that dome and bounce it off the mirror that is formed and get it around the earth in two or three hops.
	Okay, well now actually what I want to do here I'm going to stop you there because that's very good and thank you for quite a detailed explanation.
	Now I want to go to Peter and Peter I want you to explain from your point of view how you kind of got in touch with Ginny and like when once you did how she has sort of helped you in your in your work, right?
	Yeah Yeah, exactly.
	That's what I wanted to interject here.
	As the audience can fathom, the electromagnetic portions of this project are the most highly technical and the most mysterious.
	And when I started getting serious about the research, I needed help.
	I was in over my head.
	I've never been a science guy.
	I've always been more of a creative guy, maybe, you know, figuring I'm going to, you know, just write some novel or fiction at some point.
	Actually, screenplays was kind of what I was thinking earlier on.
	You know, I may get into that at some point later.
	But anyway, these electromagnetic portions I needed help with.
	And Jenny immediately...
	Started giving me help in that area.
	I don't understand everything she tells me, but I have faith.
	Sorry.
	You're laying it out there, and it's my job to go and confirm these things and figure these things out.
	You're feeding me information, and I'm going forward and getting what I can out of it, corroborating it, and trust but verify.
	And Jenny has also been editing a lot of my papers.
	When I have a paper that has a lot of science in it, I'll send it to Jenny first and let her take a look at it and make sure that I'm not, you know, saying anything stupid and all the trolls will jump all over me.
	Oh, he has no idea about science.
	Okay, well, with that in mind...
	Troll will go after you for no matter what.
	Yeah, I can testify to that.
	But now what I want to know, actually, Peter, is what she was just talking about, about this bowl-shaped effect that happens when they shoot this sort of pulse and they've got this thing heated up and it hits this sort of Almost like a shield, it sounds like.
	And then it bounces back down to Earth.
	So are we talking, what is the use of that from a military standpoint?
	Are we talking about what I would think of as a scalar weapon?
	Because I did a show just recently with Keith Hunter, and we were talking about scalar weapons and how they even use a certain method like this to actually aim them and target them.
	You know, in that way.
	So I don't know if you've gone down that road or where, how did you?
	I haven't even gotten to scalar weapons yet.
	Okay.
	Jenny knows all about it.
	I have.
	But I'm just really focusing on the weather modification aspects of all this.
	Yeah.
	So you're focused on the weather wars portion, what I call weather wars.
	I realize there's a whole lot of other stuff going on.
	I'm just trying to hit them at their most vulnerable point.
	Weather modification is the most provable aspect and the biggest aspect of what I call the New Manhattan Project.
	Also, the first paper that I went to write was another attempt to hit them at their most vulnerable point.
	This whole book really started when I just wanted to write a paper about the fleet, the planes.
	What are these things?
	These are big, huge, jumbo aircraft.
	This is something that's going to be very difficult to hide.
	Figure out, you know, what these planes are, where they come from, maybe, you know, where their base is or how they operate and all this type of stuff.
	You know, I was figuring I could blow the whole project.
	But I realized as I started writing that paper that I needed to know...
	I put two and two together.
	I realized that it was a weather modification project at its core, the largest part of it.
	And...
	Oh, I forgot the other part of it, darn.
	I was going to go write that paper, but I needed to know weather modification because these planes were involved in weather modification.
	That took me on a big detour to writing that paper about the chemtrail fleet, what I call the chemtrail fleet now.
	I had to take a year-and-a-half detour of studying the whole history of weather modification first, and that was what opened all the doors, my study of weather modification.
	I found some things about planes that are used in weather modification that weren't directly relative, but it was interesting to know that there are facilities that have historically We're good
	to go.
	Okay, but in terms of those, you know, the weather modification using the planes you're talking about, I think I noticed that you're actually talking also about planes that don't have drivers, so to say, pilots.
	We're talking about drones, right?
	Yeah, I'm assuming that there is a proprietary fleet of aircraft that are specifically designed to spray chemtrails.
	As drones.
	And they're probably also maybe adding things to the jet fuel, maybe adding things to the exhaust.
	There's a lot of things going on.
	I think when you see a big, fat, juicy chemtrail that goes from horizon to horizon and starts spreading out and creating cloud cover, that's something that comes from a chemtrail fleet plane, a super sprayer.
	And then you see other trails that are just like Too long to, you know, to be actual contrails.
	You know, contrails and a real contrail from jet fuel that's not adulterated is a very, very short thing that disappears very, very quickly.
	We're talking like 15 seconds or less.
	Right, right.
	You know, I mean, just when there's a contrail that stretches for like, you know, 100 lengths of the plane, that's too long.
	There's something wrong with that.
	Contrails are not supposed to be longer than just a little tail on the plane that's maybe 20 lengths of the plane, and that's not it.
	You know, that's the way it was when I was growing up as a kid, and that's the way it should be.
	And anything longer is a chemtrail.
	So, you know, but there's different types of chemtrails.
	So I'm thinking that there's different ways that the stuff is dispersed and different types of planes.
	Well, exactly.
	Now, I noticed that you did go into detail on various kinds of planes that you think are being utilized.
	I assume that there was documentation behind those statements.
	You know, in other words, did you actually get testimony from pilots that are flying those planes?
	Did you get into any of that stuff?
	Because we have heard that there are some pilots that have come forward.
	Sometimes it's, you know, it's word of mouth, but there are a couple on the internet, I believe, a few pilots.
	Yeah, there are stories on the internet about supposed pilots, but I haven't seen any corroboration of these stories.
	And also, don't you think that if there was a proprietary chemtrail fleet, you know, that is their Achilles heel and their most vulnerable point, that the CIA would put out this information talking about how there are pilots and, you know, these guys blowing the whistle and stuff?
	All right.
	Well, that's okay.
	That's fair enough.
	But I don't see why you can't have both, you know, pilots and, you know, humans and non-humans, right?
	There is good.
	I'm saying there is both, but there's a probability that the stuff that you see online, which is not corroboratable, if that's a word, that stuff looks phony to me.
	There's a huge variety of different projects with different purposes, different entities behind them.
	I think every type of technology is being used.
	Depending on what their goal is and what their resources are.
	All right.
	Well, let's go over to Jenny for the moment then and circle back on some of this from her point of view.
	You said she's the one who does know about the electromagnetic, well, the scalar weapons and the use of Bouncing that signal or whatever you want or whatever the beam is up into that dome you were talking about, Ginny.
	So are you understanding that this is a weapon and these are weapons and that they're using for one of the things they're doing with the chemtrails?
	Yeah, it definitely can be.
	And that was one of the things that really upset Bernard Eastland, that the military took on the whole technology and basically...
	Not necessarily through HAARP. There are a lot of other efforts that have been kind of pursued by the Navy and by the Air Force over time.
	One is HIPPAS, which is right next to the Gakona HAARP facility.
	And there are a fair number of research papers that have been published in the past.
	They're getting harder to find.
	Stanford VLF group...
	Published a lot of doctoral theses for many years, and now I've been on the website lately.
	They seem to be, about two or three years ago, they were starting to change direction.
	And a lot of the theses, it seemed to me there was more funding being dedicated to lightning research.
	And definitely there were...
	Several papers, several theses that I read that looked to me like they were really working on controlling, in a military way, controlling lightning as a battlefield weapon.
	Mark Vonnegut wrote a paper about lightning to the ionosphere way back in, I think, the 50s.
	I remember that there, the scare talk about what happens if we accidentally forge a persistent channel between the ionosphere and the surface of the Earth, and that is a real nightmare.
	Okay, but this lightning weapon, this is like, they also have like a ball, lightning, I think they call it something.
	Yeah, and so even when I was talking again last week, I think it was with Keith Hunter, he was talking about this as a weapon and possibly what they might be doing even in North Korea.
	And certainly coming from the United States, going in the other direction.
	So when you're talking about that as a weapon, you know, in other words, do they need all these, you know, because it seems like it's overkill, right?
	I understand that you're saying they're using this, but is that the, why would they spray every human being on the planet, you know, constantly?
	It's not, you know, is it because they're...
	Well, there's so many reasons, Carrie.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, is, you know, keeping in mind that it's dissipating.
	So is our deal here that, you know, that it's because it dissipates quickly in the atmosphere, or it seems to, and doesn't stay around forever, nature maybe has its own kind of cleansing mechanism.
	So that they have to keep doing this every, almost every single day.
	I mean, it's very rare.
	I live in California.
	Very rare do we get days where there are no chemtrails now.
	Almost all the time it's happening.
	Well, you know, a lot of people say they're spraying us like bugs.
	But I would like to offer up an idea that perhaps they don't care what really happens to us.
	They have other reasons for spraying up at particular levels in the troposphere.
	And a lot of it has to do with occultation, hiding things.
	Hiding things from satellites that are on the ground or hiding things...
	That are in the air from people on the ground.
	So you think that...
	Well, let's talk about that, though, hiding things, because hiding things, it has also been...
	My view is that a lot of the chemtrails cause a cloud cover that then hides things above that cloud cover.
	So it's not so much the chemtrail itself that hides things as it is the cloud cover.
	Well, I think there are two different mechanisms by which that happens.
	And what you're talking about is a substance in the chemtrail that is hygroscopic.
	In other words, the nucleation agent that Peter has mentioned millions of times in this book.
	Which is, you know, it's nucleating agents give water vapor a place to condense so that you form clouds.
	So, yes.
	Blimey picks a towel up there, sucking up the water.
	Yeah, and then wrings it out.
	Redistribute it.
	Right.
	Basically, you know, takes ambient humidity and turns it into a visible cloud.
	But the other part of it is, well, I think there are two more parts.
	One is...
	Some substances are not hygroscopic, but they have electromagnetic properties that have to do with either scattering light, reflecting light, which are two different things, or they are electrically...
	How can I put this?
	They are particular molecules that are designed to have either particular levels of conductivity.
	One of the things the Air Force likes to do is put up a bunch of aerosol that is at a particular level where they know by the weather report and by sounding balloons and things like that, they know that there's a particular spreading wind that will take that substance And spread it out into a wide, flat plane.
	They use that to bounce radio signals.
	It's called a wave guide.
	What you're touching on there, Jenny, I think, is the idea that the atmosphere can be used as a capacitor, as a battery, and you can charge certain areas of the atmosphere for these weather modification purposes.
	Well, that's part of the military thing, too.
	Yeah, this is something that goes back to Nikola Tesla, and it's also, I believe, why they were detonating atomic bombs in the atmosphere.
	That was from Van Allen belts.
	Yeah, they were trying to create artificial Van Allen belts, right, and experiment with that.
	That was part of it, right?
	Because the Van Allen belt is a radiation, a strong radiation in the atmosphere.
	Yeah.
	I was just reading something recently, I think it was the Von Braun biography I just finished, where they were talking about the detonation of atomic bombs in the atmosphere, and they were talking about how they could charge certain portions of it.
	This is Operation Argus.
	It was a huge undertaking by the U.S. military, I think, back in 1958.
	And when you do that, when you detonate bombs in the atmosphere, it creates a large area that is ionized, that is charged.
	And apparently you can learn a lot about the atmosphere by observing these explosions and how the charge affects the atmosphere and whatnot.
	There are several reasons for charging the atmosphere.
	There are tons of reasons why they would want to.
	Okay, well let's talk about that.
	Let's elaborate just a little more.
	So why would you want to charge up the atmosphere?
	Maybe you want to conduct lightning down to a particular target.
	Okay.
	Or that.
	But, you know, this is the common thread.
	This has taken me a long time to come to this conclusion, but this is the essence of the New Manhattan Project.
	The atmospheric, not even particles so much, not even particles that they're spraying out of planes.
	There's lots of ambient particles that In the atmosphere, and they're definitely working with those as well.
	So the core of the New Manhattan Project is electromagnetic energy used to manipulate the atmosphere.
	And this is what I intend to trace back before Nikola Tesla.
	This goes back a long, long, long time.
	The different guys doing things in this J.G. Basile If I'm not mistaken, Jenny, right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he was very interesting.
	He got in trouble, too.
	Excellent.
	Maybe you could tell us what you know about Bastille.
	He basically had an ion gun.
	I don't know where he got the idea, but it was around the time of the Maxwell equations coming out.
	So I don't know whether he invented that or whether he got that technology from somebody.
	But he was successful, and he was a rainmaker.
	Right, actually, did it come a little after Tesla?
	I'm not sure who started doing that first.
	I'm not really sure when that was.
	I don't have to date my mind, but I do know that he was ionizing the atmosphere.
	Maybe it doesn't go back a long time before Tesla, but I think it actually goes back to those two guys.
	All right.
	But, you know, the bottom line here is that actually, if they do this sort of thing, they could be doing it for a positive aim, which they're not.
	But if you can, you know, if you can make rain, then you can make the deserts grow, you know.
	I mean, let's just, you know, talk about it and feed people, starving people, and so and so.
	That's geoengineering.
	Right.
	But that in a positive sense, obviously.
	But they are not about doing that.
	They're absolutely not.
	And I sent you a link.
	I don't know, you know, because there wasn't a lot of time for you to take a look at whatever I was sending you.
	I sent you a link that this young woman and I'm sorry I don't have her name or anything but she's put a video out on the internet that's really elaborating on barium specifically that element that's in the chemtrails and saying that it's an interesting agent that causes things actually one of the things it does is take radiation and sort of expand it Extend it so it it
	has a longer lasting wider spread kind of thing and uh there's something in in barium apparently that that does this so that is geoengineering and we know at least in camelot we know that they are trying to expand and increase the amount of radiation on the planet they have a few different uses for that one of them is uh Obviously creating what are termed,
	you know, X-Men or children with special abilities and precogs very specifically who get...
	I forget what it's called.
	But anyway, you know what I'm saying is they...
	There are uses for expanding the radiation on the planet, and they're doing this purposefully, and it relates to the reptilians as well.
	But I'm assuming the two of you don't really go down that road, and yet at the same time, if you're aware of barium, you're aware of that it does increase radiation.
	I don't know if you're aware of that or what you might have to say about that.
	Shall we talk DOE? Yes.
	Sure.
	Everybody's had a barium.
	Well, not everybody, but a lot of people are aware that barium is used as an imaging agent in medicine.
	You know, you drink barium before you get an MRI or something like that.
	And the reason is that Barium and Barium is specifically mentioned in the Air Force Space Command budget because it has an extreme.
	In fact, I believe I don't know, Carrie, if this person you're talking about is called Truth Seeker.
	Is that her website?
	Yes, that sounds familiar.
	Yeah, I've actually sent her an email, but she hasn't replied.
	Basically, barium doesn't do anything to sustain or propagate radiation, but it itself can be activated.
	It is up there on the periodic table.
	It's one of the heavier elements, but the reason they like to use it is that it's radio-opaque.
	So basically, and it's across a very wide spectrum, the barium has an extremely white reflectance, so that it reflects very, very equally across all parts of the visible spectrum, as well as its...
	Opaque to radio waves.
	And they can use it.
	That's why they use it in medical imaging.
	But it's also used by the Air Force to hide things.
	Okay, but if you say something is opaque to radio waves, you know, I'm not sure what that exactly does that mean.
	That would mean a satellite could not see through a barium cloud to see what they're doing in irisibo or something like that.
	All right, so let's say they put it over NORAD, you know, but okay, we can understand that.
	Why are they doing it over major cities?
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Why are they doing it over major cities if that's the case?
	Barium?
	Yeah.
	There may be something that's being beamed up at it, being reflected off of it to go back down to the ground.
	It may be a communications device.
	All right.
	Let me throw something at you because I believe that what they're also creating is a shield that will show up craft coming interdimensionally and materializing in this dimension so that you say it's very reflectant and that you're creating kind of a fog or something that That is maybe untraceable,
	but at the same time, if you had a UFO using, I don't know, whatever kind of, you know, free gravity, whatever gravitics it's using to manipulate itself and then manifest, is it possible that actually, you know, normal radar won't pick it up, but this will?
	If it has chemtrails in the skies, it'll pick it up?
	Well, anything that's coming through it is going to leave a trail.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Well, that makes sense.
	It depends on whether it's barium sulfate or barium titanate, any of those various different things, barium oxide.
	What I've learned from the weather modification documents is that I think the most obvious use of it is as a tracer, as an atmospheric tracer.
	because it can be radioactive and if if you can release if you can make it radioactive and then release it from a plane and have it under uh spectroscopic uh surveillance the whole time then yeah you you know where that particle came from uh where it's been you You could have computers tracing its whole path.
	Right, you could trace downdrafts or updrafts.
	Okay, well, what about stealth aircraft of all kinds, not just UFOs, but also our militaries?
	Like, I don't know, are they worried about Russia flying some stealth aircraft that they can't try?
	They should be worried about North Korea having a satellite over us twice a day.
	I don't know why they're not worried about it.
	Yeah, right.
	But are they shielding it?
	Is the chemtrail working to shield as it appears to be a shield?
	In certain respects, it could be used as a shield, like a shell.
	Yes, yes.
	But not when it comes down to EMP. That's not going to...
	Okay.
	The scalar component of EMP basically...
	It invalidates it as a shield against that.
	All right.
	Okay, fair enough.
	Now, both of you, this is a question for both of you, whoever wants to answer it can.
	Have you, because, you know, I have been reading your book, but I didn't find whether you're actually dealing with the details of actual chemistry for what's in all the chemtrails.
	Have you really tracked all the different, you know, things?
	We don't know.
	How do we know?
	Well, no, yeah, I think the best evidence on that is Marvin J. Herndon's work.
	If the audience doesn't know, I think all three of us know about this, but just for the audience, you know, he took samples from a HEPA filter, an air filter, and analyzed the stuff that was on the air filter after he had seen a lot of chemtrails in the sky and stuff, and he found, you know, strontium, barium and strontium.
	And this is not supposed to be in the atmosphere.
	Barium is like maybe it could possibly be there.
	Strontium has no freaking business whatsoever being in a HEPA filter that's been filtering ambient air.
	It's such a heavy element.
	There's no way it would just spontaneously go up into the air.
	Oh, it's a nasty, nasty thing.
	You don't want to get in touch with strontium.
	That stuff will...
	We'll not do you right.
	Anyway, yeah, see, he didn't constantly...
	There was aluminum.
	Yeah, sure, there was aluminum in the stuff that he got in the air filter, but he didn't even pay attention to that because aluminum is all over the place.
	Aluminum is in dirt.
	Aluminum is ubiquitous in our environment.
	See, he didn't even pay attention to that stuff.
	He just concentrated on the barium and the strontium.
	And the chemical analysis of those two elements matched in a chemical signature...
	Yeah, that's pretty scary.
	Okay, what is coal?
	What have we called it?
	Coal fly ash.
	Coal fly ash is the ash that rises when you burn coal.
	And the government, our government, has been mandating that it be removed from the smokestacks of coal Coal-powered fire...
	I can't say this word for some reason.
	Coal-fired power plants?
	Power plants since the late 70s with the establishment of, guess what, the Environmental Protection Agency in 1977.
	They mandated that this stuff be removed.
	So it's been piling up and there's been a great supply of it.
	For many decades now.
	And of course, you know, they say, oh yeah, we put it in Portland cement.
	We do this with it.
	We do that with it.
	Well, you know, there's so much of it and people aren't paying attention to it.
	They've probably been, just like Marvin Herndon says, they've probably been using this stuff to create the chemtrails for it.
	Okay, but it still doesn't.
	Why?
	Why would they be, you know, I mean, if coal burns that and puts that in the atmosphere, why would you also do it with the chemtrails?
	What's the benefit to them?
	Well, the coal fly ash has things in it that are conducive to what they want to get done.
	It has barium in it.
	This is just stuff that it has in it.
	You know, it has little traces of barium.
	It's just by nature.
	It's an electric structure.
	Its actual physical structure makes it stay aloft for long periods of time.
	It's very fluffy and floaty.
	It's a waste product.
	I'm sure they use it as a carrier for other products.
	Well, that's what it begins to sound more like.
	They're actually using it as a carrier, possibly.
	So I sent you the link to Clifford Carnicom's website, and I don't know, have you been there?
	Because he has a group of scientists who, my understanding is, they've done the best analysis of chemtrails over the globe.
	And so for the listeners, if you're not familiar with Carnicom, I can see if I can find the link to send you guys and put it in the chat here.
	I'm definitely aware of Carnicom.
	He's in my book.
	I greatly appreciate his work.
	It's really hardcore, his work.
	It's highly scientific.
	Maybe we could get Jenny to comment on Carnicom's work.
	His work is undeniable, and I have a lot of respect for him.
	Because he doesn't just take a position and then try to defend it.
	He derives a position from his research.
	Right.
	And his research is scientifically, from the scientific method, you can't deny it.
	He's been very rigorous.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And what he's working on now is what I find the scariest, the most depressing part of all this.
	The stuff that I really...
	Find so ultimately repulsive.
	Think about this.
	They're saturating the entire globe and everything on it with this stuff, or at least America, at least the industrialized nations.
	Once you have everything on the planet saturated with this stuff, whatever it is, if you know how If you know exactly what it is and you know how to manipulate it with electromagnetic energy, think rewriting the genome of every living thing on Earth.
	Right.
	And mind control, facilitating mind control probably electromagnetically.
	Yeah, there's mind control.
	That's going on as well.
	But the scariest thing that I find is that they could, you know, have my body full of this stuff and then start hitting me with electromagnetic energy that interacts with the particles that are inside me already.
	Yeah, it turns you into an antenna.
	Yeah, well, I'm already an antenna, but, you know, they could manipulate the particles so that these little things will probably start screwing with your DNA and, you know, and all this type of stuff.
	I mean, these people are sick.
	Have you guys looked at any of the work by Harold Kautzvella?
	Yes.
	A lot of people think he's a total fruitcake, but a lot of what he says really is very solid.
	Well, I had him speak at two of my conferences last summer, and both of those speeches are available on Project Hamlet website.
	And he is getting into what is called the black goo and the notion that there is an AI component to it.
	So essentially nanobots.
	Yeah, and nano.
	There's no doubt that the chemtrails are containing nano.
	Now, how you prove that, it being so, I guess, microscopic is, you know, how can you, unless you're a nanoscientist, I don't know how you would prove that, but...
	Actually, I have some research from the University of Kentucky that talks about nanosized particles, especially alumina, and how easily it crosses the blood-brain barrier and what it does once it gets into the brain and basically how it interferes with mitochondria in the brain cells and basically results in brain cell death.
	And that's solid, vetted research from a university.
	And nanoparticles are ubiquitous in the weather modification literature.
	In fact, Bernard Vonnegut, the great discoverer, supposed discoverer, of silver iodide used as particles for weather modification, he found that the best-sized silver iodide particles were of a nano size.
	He is on record as saying this.
	It's because of the nucleation.
	That's one of the reasons they do it.
	The nano size of the particle is optimum for collecting water vapor.
	Yes, natural particles that act as nucleants that form the nucleus of a raindrop.
	That eventually, once they coalesce into a raindrop, those natural particles that are needed for condensation that create raindrops, those are nano-sized.
	Okay.
	Marine aerosols particularly.
	What about this?
	The natural process.
	Okay.
	What about the idea that if you see the sky with chemtrails and then Creates clouds and it rains, and whatever you put into the chemtrails then gets dispersed, coming down because of the rain, right?
	Washing down, and then even getting into the groundwater, the streams, you know, being...
	Having animals and plants drinking it, you know, and so on.
	In other words, it gets very invasive.
	So it doesn't just float around in the skies and sort of gradually drop down.
	This is what Carnicom's getting at.
	Okay.
	He's talking about whatever is in this stuff that they're spraying us with has contaminated every living thing on Earth.
	Right.
	About every cell of every living thing.
	Okay, and also what about the notion of, in terms of mind control, mass mind control?
	So, in other words, if you send...
	There's the electromagnetic component.
	Yes, so what would you say about that?
	This makes people vulnerable to almost a pulse weapon that could be discharged in the atmosphere and possibly affect one of those elements.
	I think when you're talking about mind control in the context of the New Manhattan Project, I think you're talking about Alfred Lee Loomis.
	I think he's the key guy that you need to look at.
	Of course, he died back in 1955 or something, but he was instrumental in the early development of what eventually became today's ionospheric heaters, the things that are Today, manipulating the weather with electromagnetic energy.
	And not only that, not only was he instrumental in the beginning of it, he was heavily into mind control.
	He did all kinds of work in these areas.
	Brain waves is what they call it back then.
	He was one of the first guys who started measuring brain waves and sending people electromagnetic signals to their brain.
	He was him and a few other people.
	Really laid the foundation of mind control.
	And he's behind the ionosphere creatures as well.
	I mean, you know, this is not hard to grasp.
	His son went on to be a, I think it was a member of the board of directors of the MITRE Corporation.
	Overplay Loomis' son in 1978.
	So, in fact, the whole New Manhattan Project is starting to look to me like a Loomis family secret.
	I'd like to know Who Alfred Lee Loomis' grandson is.
	I haven't figured that out yet.
	But his son was on the board of directors of the MITRE Corporation.
	And the MITRE Corporation is significant because I think they are the day-to-day manager of today's new Manhattan Project.
	All right.
	Well, along those lines, I also sent you some information about the Vietnam War and the fact that Annie Jacobson's new book, one of her books, Pentagon's Mind, Or no, the Pentagon's Brain, which I've been reading, says that a lot of this stuff, a lot of the chemtrail spraying was developed during Vietnam and that it was used in Vietnam to spray...
	On the Ho Chi Minh Trail.
	Yeah.
	That's been known for a long time.
	Right.
	And to be sprayed on not only the villagers...
	But their crops and everything else.
	So it begins to sound like that was the sort of laboratory where they experimented with this stuff.
	And then you get the Agent Orange and so on.
	And Mark Richards, Captain Mark Richards, one of my witnesses, has talked about Why they might really have been in Vietnam and what was really going on there.
	And it's incredibly diabolical and probably difficult for people to bring on board mentally and emotionally.
	That's how they operate.
	But having to do with an invasion of so-called spider beings from another dimension.
	That sounds like Harold.
	Well, his, yeah, in a way, but his is more infinitesimal.
	We're talking about, according to Mark anyway, spiders the size of VW bugs.
	So we're talking about a giant...
	Like Harry Potter.
	And this gets...
	And there's a place called Angkor Wat, where supposedly this happened in the past and so on, and dimensional gates exist in Southeast Asia that make this possible.
	So, you know, there could be a so-called protective or side to this, which is not only diabolical, but it's certainly poisoning humans on Earth.
	And making for all kinds of health problems.
	Now, I know that people are going to want you guys to go over some of the health problems as a result of the chemtrails.
	And there are some things that also can help sort of ward off some of the effects, although maybe not all.
	Can I bring something up that touches back on something you said, Carrie?
	Yes.
	You mentioned something about an electromagnetic pulse, you know, now that people are so infused with these materials.
	But I published an article in activist posts called Electromagnetic Energy in the Air.
	And what I've been seeing in clouds, because a lot of the Manipulation we're looking at has to do with microwave bombardment.
	Microwaves resonate in several different bands with water vapor molecules.
	So microwaves can be used to mobilize weather fronts.
	And of course, doping them with various chemtrail materials can accomplish other aims.
	But rather than just a pulse, I've been seeing Certain areas of several days worth of sustained electromagnetic frequencies that are around the VLF region, the ones that I've been able to really capture and characterize.
	It's electromagnetic radiation being around, for instance, the southern third of New Mexico, Not last Christmas, but the Christmas before.
	For a good week, the southern third of New Mexico was completely inundated with 31 kilohertz, which you can see because they happen to have a weather front passing by.
	In fact, I think I put pictures of that in my article on Activist Post.
	So it sustained electromagnetic bombardment.
	And, you know, it's not going to stay right, you know, satellites are looking down at it and seeing the tops of the clouds, but there's nothing to say it's not coming down to Earth where humans are, and I would, I have been unable to do this just time and resources,
	but it would really be nice to capture a moment like that, a period of time like that, and then look to see incidents of murder and You know, violent incidents, rage, miscarriages, things like that.
	So that's, you know, that's what you're saying the fallout would be, in theory, from a bombardment by electromagnetics in any given, over a wide area?
	Yeah, that's documented.
	Barry Trower from MI6 has several YouTube videos that describe some of those electromagnetic effects on humans.
	That's true.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, he does very good research.
	I think I should give a shout out to Patrick Ryan right here because I just watched his speech up at the second annual Chemtrail Summit.
	If you're familiar with my work, I've worked with him and he's come to me with the best material that's given me the most, you know, biggest audience.
	His articles that we've worked on together, he's basically gone out and got the article and then just fed it to me and then I put it on after this post.
	But he was up there in Portland giving his second annual Chemtrail Summit speech and he was talking about how he's putting together an app that's going to bring together information about deaths of people and he's saying he's going to correlate Days when there are chemtrails in the sky and people dying of things like respiratory disease.
	He's saying that he's going to put together something that you just take in the app.
	You just take a picture of a chemtrail sky and, you know, it notes your location and time and all this stuff.
	And it's fed into a database.
	And this database can also tell you the death record information.
	About how many people died in that area of respiratory failure on that day, or dementia, or Alzheimer's, you know, other things that can be- Or violent crime.
	Well, maybe he wants to do that, too.
	But it seems to me like a pretty, you know, that sounds like a pretty tall order to put all that stuff together.
	Yeah, that's a huge database.
	Well, that'd be great.
	Obviously, I think that in terms of health issues coming up, I think, you know, Margellons also works in there.
	And I know that some people have been asking me about incidents of cancer and Alzheimer's as well.
	There's sort of an epidemic at the moment, they're saying.
	There's no doubt that aluminum causes Alzheimer's.
	I mean, you know, of course, if you want to be strictly a Puritan scientist, you know, and say, oh, you know, it hasn't been absolutely 152% proven and all this stuff.
	But I mean, you know, there's just so much evidence for it that what they call the epidemiological evidence is just legion for Alzheimer's.
	Aluminum causing Alzheimer's.
	Do you want to chime in on that?
	Yeah, one of the things that Francis Mangels just looked at was streams on Mount Shasta.
	And he found...
	We actually had some correspondence about this because he found both aluminum oxide and free aluminum up around 6,000 times normal in the streams of Mount Shasta.
	And he also did an assay of trout.
	He caught and dissected 300 trout and there were no insects in their bellies.
	Those trout were starving.
	Yeah, but the thing about aluminum...
	What he found in those streams, I found very disturbing, was that there was a significant quantity of free aluminum in the streams, as well as aluminum oxide.
	The particle we know of in chemtrails is aluminum oxide.
	So I started looking into the mechanism by which the oxide can actually be stripped and result in a nanoparticle of free aluminum, which is extremely destructive to the human body, any body.
	Extremely rare.
	We've talked about it before, and you've described free aluminum to me as something that basically doesn't exist.
	Doesn't happen in nature.
	Doesn't happen in nature.
	So, I mean, how does this free aluminum, how is it there?
	Well, I think I know what it is.
	There are two things that can strip it.
	Electromagnetic energy and sulfur.
	So, an acid rain condition, especially like as a A chemtrail cloud being dumped over a city, which may have exhaust fumes and stuff causing an acid rain condition, and then being bombarded with electromagnetic energy.
	A particular resonance can strip those aluminum oxide molecules apart and result for however short a period of time it is, it was enough to get into the streams because it doesn't exist normally in streams at all.
	Once it's in the stream, doesn't it want to bond with other things?
	Yeah, it'll bond.
	But that means there must be a significant quantity.
	In order for it to even be measurable, there has to be a huge quantity of it.
	A lot of it's going to bond with other stuff.
	Particularly oxygen.
	Okay.
	Now, there's something else I want to ask both of you, which has to do with an interesting part of your book, which is talking about the iridium satellite signals and meteorological measurements and how there's sort of...
	There's a project you called Iridium that has something about 77 satellites.
	I don't know if you're saying that it was proposed by Motorola.
	First it says 66 satellites, then it says something about 77.
	But at any rate, the reason this interests me is that it correlates with some of the information that Anthony Sanchez brought forward.
	About the Lockheed Martin scientists who were involved in creating nanosatellites that were then put into a low Earth orbit and are surveilling us even at this time.
	So I'm wondering what is the value of what they're saying, iridium, and what can it do?
	Because I'm also seeing that you said there's a remote sensing system um aspect to this and and can you elaborate on that?
	Highly accurate coverage.
	Jenny was the one who turned me on to the Iridium satellite constellation.
	And they originally named it the Iridium when they were figuring out what they wanted to do.
	They called it the Iridium network because they were going to have the same number in the constellation as the atomic number of Iridium.
	What's the atomic number of Iridium, Jenny?
	Well, it says 77.
	And so they were going to have according to your book.
	I have your book open here while I'm talking to you.
	And they apparently when they finished the project, it wasn't they didn't have 77.
	They had whatever it was, 60, 67 or 61, if I'm not mistaken, they made it to 71.
	But you want a lot of satellites and you want them as close to the Earth as possible because you get the best coverage that way.
	The closer you are to whatever it is you want to cover and observe, the better data you're going to get.
	Okay, but is there something in the chemtrails that facilitates this in some form?
	Facilitates what?
	The closer observation.
	In other words, there seems to need to be a link-up between chemtrails and these satellites, possibly even these nanosatellites, and what they are observing and also sensing.
	Yeah, I think it's just a matter of coverage.
	It's just a matter of covering the whole area.
	With an adequate constellation of satellites that are going to do the job for you.
	The closer you are to the sample, direct samples are the best.
	Satellites are remote sensing.
	They aren't getting direct samples.
	The best samples that they're getting are probably from the chemtrail fleet planes that are flying through these chem clouds and through the electromagnetic energy and all this stuff.
	They can take direct samples Yeah, but what I'm asking, I guess maybe my question isn't clear enough, but maybe you can grasp it.
	What I'm trying to say is Is there an amplification aspect to what's in the chemtrails that helps or hinders satellites?
	Because at the one time you said, well, maybe it can also shield a satellite, but can it also facilitate a, you know...
	That waveplane thing.
	Sorry?
	Yeah.
	Jenny may have something on that.
	Well, depending on what the chemtrail has in it...
	And you have to keep in mind these satellites aren't necessarily observing in the visual spectrum.
	They may be observing infrared.
	They're using spectrometers in a lot of those satellites.
	So they may be, you know, and keep in mind too that things like barium, strontium, and aluminum all have different molecular weights.
	It's not just the atomic number, but it's the fact that these particles, even though they're all nano-sized, they...
	They have different weights and different chemical activity and different responses to turbulence.
	So the satellites are probably, number one, they would use something metallic and something that is cohesive, has a lot of molecular cohesion.
	I could go into the science of it, but some substances spread out and yet still maintain almost like an electronic membrane.
	So that they are, even though the molecules might be, they would resist spreading apart so widely that waves would go through them, but that waves could be bounced off of them, or they could become like a wire used as a transmission medium.
	So they could transmit using, let's say you chemtrail everywhere, In an area and then you operate your satellite in that area.
	You're saying that the satellite could send a signal that would then be transmitted vis-a-vis the chemtrail.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Because in a lot of cases, especially higher up, the atmosphere doesn't have that cloud-to-cloud turbulence that we're used to looking at.
	You know, it's cold up there and they spread out over wide areas.
	So it could be a widely dispersed and yet electromagnetically active conductor of a signal.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Very interesting.
	All right.
	Look, you know, what I want to do here, though, is also allow both of you to kind of give us some overviews.
	Like, Peter, I guess we'll start with you in this regard.
	Because you wrote this book, and as I recall, it's quite a substantial book.
	It is.
	You've spent ages involved in it.
	Are you able to give some kind of a summation of where you got to in the book so far and where you're going?
	I have some new information.
	Before we get into the new information, where I'm going right now is I'm working on the second edition.
	And the second edition is mostly going to be a revised and expanded version of the first edition.
	But, I mean, we're talking greatly expanded.
	I just keep on finding just tons and tons of stuff.
	And so the second edition should be out in about a year.
	And then I also got my eye on the third edition.
	For the third edition, I want to turn it into a chronological narrative that just tells the whole story of all this.
	Tells the whole science history of it all.
	Who worked on it?
	What came first?
	How did the whole story unfold?
	Why did this guy do this?
	He went there and did that, found out that.
	I want to write something akin to, and I don't want to self-aggrandize, but I want to write something that is akin to Richard Rhodes' book, The Making of the Atomic Bomb, which tells the science history of Of the story from beginning to end.
	It started with all this theoretical stuff and then moved into guys getting more serious about it and doing experiments and whatnot.
	And then the war happened and they really needed this and they went to log on it and all this stuff.
	That's the story.
	That's the science history of the making of the atomic bomb.
	And I want to write the book that tells the science history of the New Manhattan Project.
	And...
	As a stepping stone on that path, I have new information.
	Okay, I got new information on Wilhelm Reich.
	Well, actually, I'd like to talk about Wilhelm Reich.
	Excellent, yeah.
	Because you asked about that last time.
	That's right.
	But let me just go over the new, we'll get back to that.
	And that's a little teaser for the audience.
	In fact, I have some Organite right here that's going to add to our thing.
	All right.
	Okay, new information.
	John G. Trump.
	Everyone wants to hear about John G. Trump, right?
	What's up with John G. Trump?
	You mean Donald Trump?
	John G. Trump was Donald Trump's uncle.
	And he was an MIT scientist, and he was the guy who looked over Nikola Tesla's posthumously confiscated works.
	This was the guy that, when Tesla died, there was tons of stuff and scattered in a bunch of warehouses and hotels and stuff all over town.
	I mean, the guy just produced endless amounts of material.
	And we're talking like eight truckloads of stuff, was confiscated by the FBI when he died.
	And they got all this stuff together in a room with John G. Trump and some government men and naval intelligence, oddly enough.
	And they said, you know, they had Trump sit there and go through all these documents and he had such a great knowledge of science and, you know, stuff in the vein of what Nikola Tesla was doing.
	He was able to tell them.
	What this was.
	Our military needed somebody to translate these papers so that they knew what the heck they were looking at.
	Okay, so was his trade-off, just for fun, was his trade-off that his grandson or great-grandson would then become president one day in exchange for his service to the military?
	You know, that hadn't occurred to me.
	That's an interesting angle.
	Well, if you're going to make a movie, that's exactly what would happen.
	That's the deal he made to betray humanity and to steal Tesla's work.
	But go right ahead.
	The great villains, the Trumps.
	I could go on about how much I like the Trump family, but anyway, that will all spare you.
	I don't want to alienate my audience.
	I want to bring people together.
	Yeah, no, we're all good.
	It's just that one, you know, this does actually, you know, like the plot thickens, as they say, you know, it's got to go somewhere.
	I don't believe in coincidences like this, but go ahead.
	I got plenty of theories about, but they don't pertain to John G. Trump necessarily, more Alfred Lee Loomis, and I'll get into that in a second.
	And that's going to be at the end of what I got here on John G. Trump.
	Okay, John G. Trump, in the late 1920s, he worked at General Electric.
	Imagine that.
	And we all know, if you're familiar with my work, General Electric, or if you were alive in 1947 and 1946 and paying attention to the news, we all know that General Electric started the...
	The scientific era of weather modification, the modern scientific era of weather modification in 1946, they had these huge labs, and they got Bernard Vonnegut, Irving Langmuir, and Vincent Schaefer to take it all off very famously.
	And they're the people that brought you Fukushima.
	They seem to be bringing us lots of things that kill us.
	Did the name...
	The name just keeps on popping up in the research, I mean, all over the place.
	I mean, there's like a certain coterie of corporations that have been bringing us the new Manhattan Project for 70 years now.
	And General Electric, the more I look into it, you know, they've been there as sort of...
	They're not really overt like Raytheon or the MITRE Corporation or something like that that's really in your face.
	It seems like they've They're working on the little devices.
	They're just everywhere.
	Yeah.
	There's no doubt about it.
	Black projects go very deep into that company.
	So, yeah, you don't have to.
	I mean, you're preaching to the choir here, but go ahead.
	Okay, yeah.
	So he was working.
	He was a young man in the late 1920s.
	I think he was in his late 20s, in the late 1920s, if I'm not mistaken.
	The book is not about him.
	See, he had some entries in the book that Where he was mentioned.
	So I was just cleaning these little things.
	It was more about Donald Trump and just the whole family.
	But yeah, he worked for General Electric in the late 1920s.
	And he was all up in MIT. I mean, he was just like Mr.
	MIT. And by 1936, John G. Trump had a PhD in electrical engineering from MIT and was an assistant professor at MIT. He, of course, as I've written before in my latest paper, he was the Excuse me,
	He was on the steering committee of the MIT Radiation Laboratory, which produced a lot of early examples of technology that had gone into the ionospheric heaters and the air traffic control portions.
	Thank you.
	Wirelessly.
	Well, that was Tesla.
	But, you know, Edison and the big boys in the power industry, they weren't thinking wireless.
	They were thinking, well, how do we...
	They were thinking DC, which is stupid.
	They were thinking, how do we improve basically the conductivity of the wires And how do we generate more electricity using less coal, using less gas, whatever they're burning, more efficiency.
	It was about creating efficiency.
	And, of course, we know that, if you read my book, that the Department of Energy today is really involved.
	And there's a whole aspect of the New Manhattan Project pertaining to hydroelectric power from dams.
	And the whole power grid and generation of power really plays into the New Manhattan Project quite a bit.
	So it's interesting that John G. Trump was the head of the MIT High Voltage Research Laboratory.
	After the war, and after the British branch of the MIT Rad Lab, he went on to finish his career as an MIT physics professor.
	Now, let's get into the conspiracies.
	Alfred Lee Loomis, okay, I also got my eye on him as somebody back in the day of Tesla because Alfred Lee Loomis, who I mentioned earlier, he was doing things in the vein of Nikola Tesla before Tesla died.
	So he didn't need all these posthumously confiscated papers somehow.
	Now, maybe he was just going off of what was publicly known.
	Maybe he was just, you know, Tesla had filed a bunch of patents, and Tesla wrote things, and Tesla spoke.
	Well, and then there were the scientists or the mathematicians that came before Tesla that influenced Tesla, probably influenced him also, like Maxwell and Heaviside.
	So it's quite conceivable that Loomis...
	Could have just been operating off of public information and gone and started, you know, doing his own thing.
	I'm also considering that maybe Loomis, you know, if the New Manhattan Project is a Loomis family secret, maybe Loomis, before Tesla died, maybe Loomis or somebody that Loomis hired, Broke into those areas that were scattered all over town, probably no one was even paying attention to him, like warehouses and the bottom of the hotels and things, and just started going through his papers before he died.
	I mean, Tesla...
	Who would know?
	Yeah.
	Tesla wasn't around very well before he died.
	He had been hit by a car, and he was old.
	He was in his 80s and all this stuff.
	I mean...
	It's not like Tesla's going to burst in on you in some warehouse in Hoboken, New Jersey, while you're going through with papers or something.
	It looks like it could have been relatively easy to access his papers before he died.
	And I'm not saying that Alfred Lee Loomis did this.
	It's just an interesting note that something like that may have happened.
	But you know, Tesla had spoken of his death ray.
	So that would be a huge temptation for somebody to break in.
	You know, and learn about this technology.
	Yeah, I mean, yeah, if he's out there talking about it and saying, look what I've discovered and all this stuff, and, you know, I can, you know, create superconductivity, and, you know, this will really help the electric industry.
	Well, you know, the electric industry doesn't want to pay Tesla a dime.
	Nobody does.
	I mean, of course they don't.
	You know, if Tesla's saying, hey, look, I've got all this wonderful stuff, And guys know that it's, you know, in this warehouse over here that nobody's paying attention to.
	I mean, why not?
	I mean, that's not, I'm just saying that's their thinking.
	But anyway, yeah, okay, that's John G. Trump and Alfred Lee Loomis.
	Okay, more new information.
	William Raborne.
	Yeah, I'm going to release a paper on William Ravorn.
	Okay, listen, I have to ask you, we're going to have to bring this to a close pretty soon, so what I want you to do is try to, you know, the new information is great, but try to be a little more succinct with it.
	That's all.
	Okay, but I like to pontificate.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Go right ahead.
	You're doing a great job.
	Just, you know, for people to kind of, you know, condense it a little so that you cut to the chase a bit.
	Right.
	But I like to talk.
	All right.
	Last time it was two hours.
	We've got another half hour.
	No, no.
	You know, because I want to allow people to ask questions and all that.
	So go ahead.
	Okay.
	You've got to give me a chance, too.
	I'm going to hog it from here.
	The paper on William Radborn is probably going to be out in a month or so.
	The Polaris Project, which he was the head of, has a ton of new Manhattan Project collaborators in it.
	We got Nazis working on the Polaris Missile.
	We got Hughes Electronics doing the computer for the Polaris Sub.
	We got Raytheon and MIT doing the guidance system for the Polaris Missile.
	We got Edward Teller and Lawrence Livermore National Labs.
	Developing the warhead for the Polaris missile.
	These are all organizations that are up to their eyeballs in the New Manhattan Project.
	General Electric was the company that first developed nuclear subs.
	The Polaris Project was a nuclear-powered submarine that could launch nuclear missiles from under the water.
	They developed this.
	It came out in 1960.
	You didn't know.
	I think he...
	William Ratborn probably became acquainted with the New Manhattan Project through Clam Lake.
	The facilities at Clam Lake developed a way to communicate with submerged submarines many thousands of miles away, i.e.
	nuclear submarines.
	ELF. Yeah, ELF signals, electromagnetic, extremely low frequency signals.
	And that's probably where he started getting involved in the Manhattan Project, because not long after that, he was writing a paper about how electromagnetic energy can severely affect the weather.
	And he also developed, or had developed, other people developed it for him, a management scheme called PERT, Program Evaluation Review Technique, which is something that goes on today.
	Businesses still use it.
	And I'm thinking, okay, it's on record that he developed this for the Polaris project, But if it was so successful, maybe they applied these same techniques to the New Manhattan Project afterwards if, you know, he got involved in it.
	And then the Atmos.
	I have a little something on Atmos.
	Previously, he had written in 1963 in his paper, New Horizons of Naval Research, that he was going to start working on something called the Atmos, A-T-M-O-S, program program.
	Which would basically be in the vein of the New Manhattan Project.
	And I have since come to know what ATMOS stands for.
	It stands for Atmospheric Trace Molecule Spectroscopy.
	Spectroscopy.
	Atmospheric Trace Molecule Spectroscopy.
	Now this was the beginning of atmospheric chemistry, which is very important to the New Manhattan Project.
	They're using electromagnetic energy Spectrometers to monitor exactly what's going on in the atmosphere, all the chemical reactions.
	I mean, there's tons of particles of all kinds of different things in the atmosphere.
	And just because they're spraying chemtrail spray, that's not the only stuff up there.
	They got to deal with all the interactions going on with the stuff that they just sprayed out of the plane.
	And this is in the vein of the atmospheric chemists.
	And atmospheric chemistry was something that came about right about the time that Rabhorn was writing his paper talking about the Atmos experiments.
	That's the new stuff.
	Peter, you might check into some of the Brookhaven atmospheric aerosol research.
	Actually, that's very good, Ginny.
	Do you want to elaborate on that?
	And by the way, thank you very much for all of that, Peter.
	I'm afraid that we're not going to be able to drill down on all of it, but just because Ginny just volunteered that little piece of information about Brookhaven, I happen to have some information about Brookhaven as well, having to do with...
	Actually, I'm going to find the name of it.
	It's more like a quasar weapon or something like that.
	It's a pulse.
	I'll get the name of it while you're talking, but can you elaborate, Jenny?
	Well, basically, it's kind of hard to...
	You're going to have to pardon me because I have to sort through stuff that's classified and stuff that I still don't, I'm not allowed to talk about.
	All right.
	Well, let's, no, let's just hold it right there.
	Because, you know, I figured you're working with the Department of Energy.
	You seem to be handling some stuff and you're bringing up some things that are obvious indications to me.
	Well, I don't work with them anymore.
	All right.
	But you've had some background in that.
	So did you sign a security oath or whatever?
	Yes.
	Yeah, I had a queue clearance and now inactive.
	But things follow you, you know.
	Yeah.
	I can still get into some trouble.
	I didn't handle that much classified stuff, but I had access to a lot of classified stuff.
	All right.
	There are some things that are not really classified, but they're kind of not classified.
	They're just not released to the public, but I wouldn't say they're classified.
	And one of the big ones at the Department of Energy is a thing called the Lessons Learned Database.
	And that is just chock full of thousands and thousands of records on file of things that mainly happened at national labs, sometimes at power plants.
	But mainly at national labs where they were either, you have to keep in mind, for me, my main experience was working for the Emergency Operations Training Academy.
	And so the Lessons Learned database provided me with real-world examples of things I could point to when I was designing my training, things that they were real incidents that really happened and That show,
	basically show where, I guess I'd call them, they're not oversights, but they're circumstances that conspired to create results that people really didn't expect.
	And that's why they're really important to keep in mind.
	And I don't know if they're still sustaining that database or not, but I used it as, you know, examples for my training.
	And a lot of them were electromagnetic.
	A tremendous number of them.
	Okay, but does that get into what we're talking, you know, targeted individuals?
	Are you kind of going in that direction when you say a lot of them are electromagnetic?
	Because you seem to have dealt with human beings, the effects of things on humans.
	No?
	Well, I certainly have.
	And I just, you know, you asked Peter, where are you going next?
	Yeah.
	And it got me to thinking about, well, where am I going next?
	Because I have several areas of my own research.
	And basically, it harkens back to what we were talking about before, about these substances being sort of infused into every cell of our beings.
	And I keep asking, why?
	But it also couples with some research I've been doing lately, I'm constantly asking questions about the whole motivation for this.
	Sure.
	I'm sorry I'm a little bit scattered on this, but in the back of Peter's book, there are pages and pages of photos of the Rhodes Gallery of human beings that are willing to sacrifice generations of people for some motive.
	Right.
	And the motive, sometimes it's profit, but I don't think the profit motive, at least in my life, the profit motive is never overcome certain ethical values, which are, you know, you don't kill your entire society.
	And that's what I see these people are engaged in, you know, they cannot convince me any longer that their motives are good, that they're trying to save the earth for humanity.
	Look in their eyes.
	They look totally freaking crazy insane.
	Look at their eyes.
	Look at their soul.
	They look like totally out of their mind.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and I hear where you're going with that.
	But, you know, my premise, of course, comes to do with the secret space program and the idea of a humanity 3.0, which Mark Richards also says, which they want passive super soldiers.
	They want to create a race of passive super soldiers that will basically act on command and so that's something to keep in mind as an overall goal and you have to look at this as something that they're doing because they believe they're doing something for the future.
	Now whether or not we are being attacked also by so-called aliens and artificial intelligence and Maybe some of this stuff is guarding against that.
	I don't know.
	Or, you know, creating weapons that then have the ability to do something about that.
	I don't know.
	But I want to get back to this electromagnetics because I found what I was looking for.
	It's called a plasma weapon, but also the linear accelerators, apparently, of which there are many more than people realize, which relates to CERN, in case you don't know.
	It's a Clark Gluon plasma weapon.
	And it has all kinds of properties and abilities, things that it's able to do, which are really kind of fascinating.
	And I don't know whether you've ever investigated that or come across it, Ginny.
	Actually, yeah, subatomic particles.
	Yeah, it's really an ongoing interest.
	But I would just like to plant this idea in your mind, Carrie, that...
	Conventional physics is currently being challenged in a really fundamental way by people from the Thunderbolts project.
	All right, yeah.
	And also by people like physicist Paul LaViolette.
	That's right.
	Who, just finishing up his book on the secrets of anti-gravity propulsion.
	And, you know, it's nice to say that you've got a quark Gluon plasma weapon until you run into these very well-founded scientists that are saying everything, you know, we're missing huge chunks approximately.
	And even there's a guy by the name of, what's his name?
	He's out of the University of Heidelberg.
	He's replicating all the work of Tesla.
	All right.
	Constantine Myle is his name.
	M-E-Y-L. Uh-huh.
	Anyway, these people are all over the world, and they come together every now and then for Thunderbolts conferences, but they're also constantly putting out papers.
	And if you couple what they say along with what Paul LaViolette is proposing, there's really no such thing as a glue on it.
	And there may not be such a thing as a Higgs boson.
	Well, okay, maybe not, but it doesn't matter what you call it.
	This weapon that they're able to use, which is put together, it's a plasma weapon.
	And it basically, from what I understand what it can do, it creates a wormhole.
	You know, this whole thing about CERN has really bothered me because...
	It's not so much the wormhole thing.
	It reminds me of the original Manhattan Project.
	When they first set off the first nuclear chain reaction, they weren't sure if it was going to consume the entire universe.
	And they were willing to risk everything in the universe, us included, to see if they could get their little atomic chain reaction.
	They really had no idea.
	It was totally irresponsible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they were willing to sacrifice everything.
	And I see CERN in the same light.
	And the thing, Joseph, what's his name?
	Farrell.
	Farrell.
	He's not got a degree in physics or anything, but he's a smart guy and he really has some really interesting ideas about what CERN is really doing.
	And CERN cavalierly talks about how they're going to create mini black holes, which they say, oh, well, they're really tiny and they're not going to hurt anything and they're going to evaporate really quickly.
	And it's like, how do you know?
	They cannot go there in the mass and justify when a black hole becomes big enough to persist.
	And start growing.
	They don't know that threshold, and yet they're still cavalierly saying, oh, well, we're going to create some mini black holes and, you know, get over it.
	But the thing that really bothers me about CERN, and you're right about that linear accelerator, what they've just recently done with CERN is they've added a linear accelerator to one end of the 27-mile range.
	acceleration.
	Right.
	But there's a guy named J.B. Michaels.
	It's a speed preloader.
	It's a magnetic induction device that basically accelerates the particles in a much more efficient way than they have had in the past.
	Well, I don't know that I, Look, I'm suspicious of anything they put in the public domain, but let me say that a guy named J.B. Michaels, who was a UFO investigator, actually, but got into a lot of science, was talking about this quark gluon Plasma Weapon and Brookhaven Labs, which is why I brought it up to you.
	And the idea that it is creating wormholes and possibly also closing them.
	And for those that are interested that do listen.
	One would hope.
	Because you don't know what's going to come.
	That's exactly right.
	And actually, for those of you who are interested, Ashina Dean's Volume 2 of Voyagers talks in detail about the various wormhole networks here on planet Earth.
	And the ones used by the various, you know, Drakon, and they're talking about the Zeta Reticuli and the reptilians and so on.
	And that the Philadelphia experiment was all part of that, and so on.
	So these things are not unrelated, I guess, is where I'm going with that.
	And, you know, because you mentioned Brookhaven, Brookhaven has way above top secret aspects that at least this researcher, J.B. Michaels, was able to I highly recommend his book, by the way.
	If anyone can find him, I'd love to interview him.
	I haven't been able to locate him.
	I don't know if he's just disappeared or what has happened, but he wrote a book called UFO Something.
	It's got UFO in the title.
	I've got the book.
	I can't search for it right this second.
	Anyway, all I'm saying is there's something going on with all of that and the electromagnetics.
	Brookhaven has an old accelerator.
	So I don't know if it's in much use anymore, but another facility that I would recommend looking into, and I haven't done this myself, is SLAC, Stanford Linear Accelerator.
	You mean Stanford as in Stanford, California?
	Linear Accelerator at CERN. Okay, you're talking about Stanford, California?
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's, yeah.
	But I have to say, this Brookhaven thing, sorry, but it actually looks like whatever they've got on top, they went deeper, is I think what Michael's found.
	They dug deeper, and so what they're doing underneath the old one is a whole other ballgame.
	I'm sure.
	Yeah, worth noting.
	Yeah, so, okay, well, I mean, we're going down some interesting paths here.
	I do want to touch on one thing, and I don't want to get too crazy and controversial, but Peter, I want to ask you about this.
	I'm assuming you're the one that's going to know about it.
	You've got some kind of statement in your book about Dane Wigington, and there seemed to have been a chemtrail conference in which there was a huge uproar I'm very aware that there are people in our movement who don't trust Dane Wiginton and others.
	I don't say anything like that.
	I'm not looking for bad-mouthing of individuals.
	What I'm really looking for is if there's some kind of piece of data that for some reason maybe he says does not happen.
	And whoever's listening to this, maybe one of those guys is listening, you can send me an email and maybe detail it again.
	I just wondered if you knew about it.
	If you don't, then we'll just move on.
	Well, personally, and I've heard from many other people, is, you know, his adherence to the theory of man-made global warming is basically the sticking point.
	And I've been public about that.
	I disagree with him on that.
	And, you know, I think it's detrimental that he's confirming The reason that's being given for spraying.
	You know, they're saying, hey, we've got to spray because of global warming.
	And Dave Wiginton is saying the global warming is real.
	So, I mean, that doesn't really help us.
	I see.
	Okay, well, that probably gets to maybe what the big issue is there.
	I can see that.
	Alright, so what I'm going to do here is look into the chat and see if we can grab some of the questions, but if you have anything you want to cover that I haven't had a chance to talk about, either one of you, go right ahead while I try to grab some questions.
	Okay?
	I've got to get some more light going on in here.
	I'll be right back.
	Alright.
	Well, what I'd like to talk about is the grand solar minimum that's coming up here between now and 2030.
	Alright.
	John L. Casey has put out two books.
	He's an ex-NASA scientist, and he's put out two books on what he says is the intersection of a 206-year and approximately a 30-year solar cycle that doesn't happen very often.
	It's one of those mathematical coincidences that makes it appear that we are really on the cusp of an ice age, of a minimum.
	Something akin to the Maunder Minimum, during which the Thames froze and they had lots and lots of epidemics, people really getting sick because of compromised immune systems and near starvation, crop failures.
	And...
	The appearance of this grand solar minimum on the horizon, I find very alarming in view of the fact that so many chemtrails are up there blocking the sun.
	They say solar dimming is approximately 30% now.
	Okay, well, you know, one thing that I forgot to say, which has to do with one of the main reasons, from what I understand, at least to block the sun, has to do with the intelligence that comes through the sun to us.
	To humans on Earth and that, you know, the Sun is, I guess, conducting and like a portal through which information comes to humans.
	And this is what I understand and it resonates.
	So if that's the case, then you're really talking about blocking a communication, a very direct communication.
	And also trying to get humans not to raise their vibration, etc.
	There's evidence that we can also live off the sun by getting sunlight through our eyes.
	There have been people that do that.
	And so on.
	You have to be very careful.
	So I'm not recommending it to, you know, people that don't know what they're doing.
	Please don't do that.
	But I can say that, you know, there's reason to believe it's correct, that you can get...
	They have shifted the available spectrum.
	It's not only dimming, but we now seem to be leaning.
	And I really do think there's some other aspect to the electromagnetic thing.
	One of the things that's really a strong characteristic of most elements when they go into a plasma form is the output of UV increases.
	And people all over this country are picking up that we have intense shift to more UV radiation coming down.
	Yeah.
	And I'm thinking there's a filtration or a reflectance or even possibly an augmentation of the UV part of the spectrum.
	And that's extremely dangerous to us for our skin and for our eyes.
	So people who want to live on sunlight might have a little bit harder time now because the spectrum is different.
	Yes, and I've heard that also this, well, I can tell you, you can feel it.
	The sunlight is actually, there's almost, seems like there's no block.
	When it's sunny, you know, it's also hitting the earth like so directly that there's no filtering whatsoever.
	It's massively, yeah, very harsh.
	It's partly because our magnetosphere is so low right now.
	All right.
	We don't have the deflection.
	It's really funny that you pulled up that orgone thing because just recently one of the things I've been doing is looking into gamma ray shielding construction materials because I really think that anyone who has a young child in that nursery, if they can't afford it for the rest of the house, at least where that young child spends a lot of time, they should be doing cosmic ray shielding.
	For that one small area.
	And so I've been investigating common building materials that are available.
	And you, Peter, you're going to get a kick out of this.
	You know what they're using?
	They're taking steel wool and lead and titanium shavings and bedding them in polyethylene and turning that into wall panels.
	So this is like an accumulator, one of Reich's accumulators.
	Yeah.
	It's so amazing that it's...
	It's like, I wonder where they got this idea.
	Okay, but that's not going to help the matter, is it?
	Yes, actually, it's a tract.
	That wall panel then becomes, I've looked at the attenuation curves.
	Really, water is a good shield.
	But these panels are pretty darn good.
	I imagine they're fairly expensive.
	I have a friend who has a construction company who can get in on a wholesale purchase of some samples.
	But basically, I really think anybody who wants to survive, and I'm old, so it's not a big issue for me, but one of the things that happens with this increasing solar minimum is that our atmosphere is bombarded more with our low magnetosphere.
	Our atmosphere is permitting more cosmic radiation to come in.
	And that's gamma rays, X-rays, basically damaging ionizing radiation.
	Sounds like shields are down.
	Our shields are down.
	All right.
	Some people are asking, I'm going to sort of jumble some of the questions together.
	A lot of people are asking, what are remedies?
	I see that at the end of the book, you actually do talk a little bit about a remedy, at least one remedy that I see here.
	Do you want to elaborate there, Peter, first of all?
	Sure.
	There's plenty of things you can do.
	There's things that you can do, like go off and live on a yacht in the South Pacific, or live in Costa Rica or something, or New Zealand.
	Actually, they probably still spray in New Zealand, but all the developed countries do.
	But if you're just like me, living here in the Bay Area, and just want to protect yourself, I can tell you what I do.
	I have two air purifiers in my house.
	One is a standard HEPA. Air filter I got at Home Depot for like $100, you know, with filters.
	And I also got a super cool one in the bedroom that's an electrostatic air purifier, and this gets nano-sized particles as well.
	And what else do I do?
	I take supplements.
	Dr.
	Russell Blaylock has said a turmeric will clean out the aluminum, at least, out of your system.
	I do liver and gallbladder cleanses.
	Jenny has done a liver and gallbladder cleanse as well.
	And, you know, a lot of the junk in your system gets taken out when you do that.
	What else?
	That's really...
	Well, actually, Richard Allen Miller talks about, you know, Nick Bagich's company called Earth Pulse.
	There is a...
	There's a product that they sell there, which I find to be excellent.
	And it has to do with what Richard Allen Miller talks about.
	Yeah, cordyceps.
	He says cordyceps.
	Another supplement.
	Cordyceps scares me.
	It's actually a combination of things, the thing that I take.
	And I don't have the bottle right here.
	So I do think that that's good.
	And I also understand...
	You can't be used to wear by it.
	Sorry?
	What's the other thing, Carrie?
	Well, I can go get it out of my cupboard if everyone holds on.
	You guys can continue to talk and think of other ways.
	I also want to say that Peter Padgett, who speaks at my conferences in the UK, who has worked with the Illuminati as a spy and various things, he said, you know, those beings, they're called...
	You know, those canned beans, I don't think it's refried beans and it's not black beans, but it's those kind of standard campfire beans that people have.
	Those particular beans wash metals out of your system.
	For some reason.
	And he absolutely says no doubt about it.
	So that's worth knowing.
	I know that Alex Jones just sent through, I don't like to advertise his products, of course, but just because people are asking, I saw that he did send through something that's supposed to remove metals from your system.
	I mean, we're really talking about metals.
	I mean, wouldn't you say?
	Ginny, do you have any thoughts about that?
	Well, we're talking about way more than metals because the changing environment, especially if you think about our lungs, it's dark and moist and warm.
	And that leads to, you know, there are plenty of other impurities that they have caught them putting in chemtrails, organic materials, blood cells, weird things.
	And one of the things that Harold Kautzvella talks about is spores.
	Yeah, and here we are back at InfoWars again, but Alex Jones has just recently put out a product called MycoZX, which is a very effective antifungal supplement.
	Both of these supplements that have been mentioned here, the stuff that takes out the metals and then the one that you just mentioned, these are actually both not from Alex Jones.
	Right, they're from Dr.
	Grew.
	Yeah.
	Well, I can say that, you know, I'll just show the bottle.
	I think that, I don't hope this is fucking, you know, we're not giving remedies.
	I use this, but...
	It's called Full Spectrum.
	So I'm not going to leave it on the screen.
	And it's from Nick Bagich's website, Earth Pulse.
	You know, there's other people out there with good remedies for things like this.
	And again, we're not doctors and we're not remedying, you know, we're not suggesting people take these things.
	We're just saying what we are doing for preventatives for things like the chemtrails and the things in chemtrails.
	But That was recommended to me.
	Well, I have some suggestions, Carrie, for the electromagnetic side of it.
	Sorry?
	I have some suggestions about the electromagnetic side.
	All right.
	Go right ahead.
	You know, it's almost impossible for us to avoid absorbing the stuff that's all around us.
	And Peter's air filters, I've got to get an air filter.
	There's no doubt.
	But one of the things I pay attention to is I live in the Rocky Mountains.
	And...
	Usually my cell phone reception is pretty bad, which makes me happy, actually.
	And people really need to pay attention.
	I think a lot of the social unrest we've seen is partly due to electromagnetic bombardment.
	Oh, no doubt.
	But I also think it's partly due to cell phone radiation just driving people up a wall.
	So I really do think that one of the biggest things you can do besides supplements and cleaning your air is Is cleaning your electromagnetic environment.
	Yes.
	And some people are electromagnetically sensitive, and it takes them probably years.
	No AMA doctor is going to figure out that you are electromagnetically sensitive.
	But that would be indicated by things like depression or bipolar disorder.
	It even manifests actually in skin breakouts and things like that.
	One of the things I do is I do pay attention to shielding, and I can't afford a lot of shielding, but I've really looked into properties of some common, easily available things that you could at least shield your sleeping area and make sure you don't have your head next to an outlet on the wall because your house wiring is an antenna.
	It's not just putting out 60 cycles.
	Your house wiring is a big antenna that sits there and can pick up and amplify radio signals and microwave signals.
	So it's just important for people to, I mean, just flip your head around in the bed and sleep with your head away from the wall.
	Little things like that can really help you.
	You can also disconnect your wireless.
	I disconnect my wireless.
	That's a foregone conclusion.
	Yeah.
	And, of course, don't sleep next to your computers.
	And people are, you know, like they live with their cell phones and keep their cell phones close to, you know, areas of their body and stuff.
	That's really bad.
	That's really bad.
	And flat screen monitors put out a huge amount of magnetism.
	Okay.
	I've got a tri-field meter and I've gone around the house and looked for It does both electromagnetic and magnetism.
	It's just shocking how a computer monitor puts out magnetic signals.
	Okay, so looking for any other questions.
	I'm not sure I see any, actually.
	Someone says vitamin D. Another person says...
	Well...
	Lemon juice, I think they said, and orgone.
	The ultimate solution, not to sound like Adolf Hitler, but the ultimate solution is probably microbes, which is something I wrote a paper about.
	Microbes occur naturally, and there are probably lots of microbes going about eating the chemtrail spray and turning it into something that doesn't harm us as we speak.
	But they're being overwhelmed as, you know, the megatons come out of the plains.
	But, you know, microbes is something that we could do.
	You can produce microbes by yourself, apparently.
	You can grow certain microbes that will remediate in environments that have been harmed by chemtrail spray.
	Like, let's say, the pH...
	It has turned very basic.
	Apparently, this is what chemtrail spray does, according to Francis Mangels.
	At least in soil.
	Yeah, in soil.
	It will turn soil very basic.
	And there are microbes you can work in the soil or just sprinkle on the soil or something.
	Apparently, I don't know exactly how they're applied, but you can use these microbes to remediate the soil and put it back to where it's supposed to be.
	I think this is going to be the grand solution once the spraying stops.
	It may just happen naturally.
	It will.
	It'll take a thousand years.
	Yeah, the earth can go back to heal and be human.
	The earth has natural cleansing mechanisms, and it does.
	We just need to stop the spraying.
	Okay, and somebody is asking is, let's see, Organite Help...
	No, there's turmeric also, by the way.
	Turmeric is in your book, isn't it?
	Turmeric, absolutely.
	Yeah, I take it every day.
	Yeah, I take it.
	It's an Indian food, by the way, if you want to know where to get it.
	That's definitely an Indian food.
	It's good stuff.
	I put it on popcorn.
	Yeah.
	I put it in my quesadillas.
	Yeah, I cook with it as well.
	Someone, Eric Dollard, somebody wants to know if you guys know about Eric Dollard's work.
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he's a genius.
	Okay, cool.
	All right.
	I think we're going for two hours at this point, so we're going to sort of close this down.
	Again, you guys, parting statements.
	Who wants to go first?
	Why don't you go, Peter?
	Yeah, I mean, I hope, you know, I tweeted out one thing, and As the President of the United States allows these chemtrails to continue to be sprayed every day, he becomes an accessory to mass murder, okay?
	This is a message to Donald Trump.
	I mean, if anybody can get this to him, as every day passes, he is the guy in charge, okay?
	He's allowing this to happen day after day.
	I'm a Trump supporter, okay?
	I love Donald Trump, but the fact of the matter is he is in charge Of what's going on here.
	He's in charge of America.
	And these planes are flying over and spraying us.
	That's an accessory to mass murder.
	And he needs to get this straight right now.
	Okay.
	Thank you for your statement.
	Let's see.
	Ginny, what would you like to say?
	Well, I have to say that through these many years of working with Peter and also my other experiences that I think we're at war.
	And I don't know all the influences on either side, but I guess what I can say to people is that I really want...
	I'm doing my utmost, and I have put...
	I've had to sacrifice quite a bit.
	I put up with a lot of ostracism for my own family, and yet it's...
	I have to say that working with Peter has been...
	One of the most powerful ways that I could manifest my desire to cure what ails us to figure out what is going on with this planet and why it is that people with compassion and humanity seem to be on the run seem to be in a defensive posture and that we are under attack and I just want to remind people to maintain their compassion and their humanity in the course of this battle.
	All right.
	Well, both of you, you know, been a delight to have you guys on the show.
	It's been a lot of fun, and I just want to thank you both for showing up and for talking with us.
	And I think that, you know, we've had the right audience watching and that, you know, people have been very interested in what you had to say.
	Hopefully people will pick up your book, help support your work financially.
	I think you have a full-time job on top of your book, don't you, Peter?
	Yeah, I work four days a week.
	I see.
	Okay.
	I'm blessed to be able to have three days a week to do this.
	But yeah, every waking moment I'm working, basically.
	I'm riding the bus.
	I'm reading.
	I'm coming home.
	I'm reading.
	I hear you.
	I know.
	Absolutely.
	I'm committed.
	It's wonderful.
	And, you know, thank you so much, both of you, both bringing a great deal of your own expertise to the subject and really fascinating.
	So thank you again for being on the show tonight.
	Thank you for providing the venue too, Carrie.
	Absolutely.
	Very happy to do that.
	And, you know, we're going to check back in with you.
	So, you know, come back to us when you're ready.
	And we'll get more information, more updates from you.
	And continue to go down the rabbit hole, so to speak.
	Okay?
	All right.
	All right.
	So take care, everyone.
	And take care, guys.
	I'm going to hang up on our guests here and just...
	Okay.
	Good night.
	And basically say some parting words here.
	So thanks, everyone.
	It's been great to be able to discuss this.
	There is a lot more evidence coming out every day supporting chemtrails as a thesis and the fact that this is what's happening on the planet.
	And I hope you can take this information, utilize it, and make your life better, and also awaken the people around you to what's going on.
	Just have them look up.
	People look up, ourselves, and it's really interesting to see somebody who never looks up at the chemtrails and then suddenly sort of starts to see them, the fact that they don't disappear, the fact that shortly after you have chemtrails, you have a cloudy sky instead of a sunny one.
	Really obvious stuff, but it's the first step to getting someone aware that something else is going on on this planet, and it's time people become aware of it.
	So again, thanks for listening.
	Tomorrow night I have Mike Sparks.
	He's going to be talking about what he calls spy disclosures, which are things like James Bond, very interesting information that he as a researcher has unearthed various spies throughout history and the information coming through them.
	And so we'll be talking about that tomorrow night.
	So thanks for watching and have a great night.
	Take care.

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