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Jan. 10, 2017 - Project Camelot
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PETER PAGET - A SPY IN TWO WORLDS - PART TWO
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Thank you.
Thank you.
The cure for cancer was discovered 17 years ago.
I tried to bring it into this country.
I got raided by the police.
The Anunnaki was 600.
The Anunnaki are 600.
They don't split souls.
Astrologically, there are windows and wormholes when you will notice that certain categories of people are gone.
A, they can work miracles.
They're not to be afraid.
They've got to be brave.
Not foolish, but they've got to be brave.
They've got to be courageous.
You're not allowed to go anywhere.
You're too dangerous.
Well, it's a bit too late for that.
Well, yeah, but they don't go very far.
They don't go very far.
I mean, they were sent back from the moon in the convention.
Okay, but this is for public consumption.
I have to say they do go a lot farther than that.
Yeah, but there's still quite a suppression.
I mean, we have, okay, there's a suppression of the surface earth, all right, and of certain, the populations.
What's consensus reality is what you're talking about, all right?
But unfortunately, unfortunately, I mean, I've got to tell you that William Tompkins is something rather unprecedented.
He wrote a book.
It's come out in the last year.
Now, there's a good room, as always, for plausible deniability in his story.
But the bottom line is that he's being backed by the Navy, a portion of the Navy.
Okay?
No doubt about that.
All right?
I would say, to jump in there, is...
There are two conflicting agendas.
I'm aware of this.
All right.
Conflicting agenda one is educate the human race technologically and culturally and responsibly and have them become the wonderful, creative, musical, artistic, beautiful beings that they are and should be and get them off the planet and get them out into the galaxy and have their talents be distributed.
Which is, you're talking about transport mechanisms, which are the easy side of things.
Right.
And there's another agenda which says they're far too irresponsible, they're far too young, and they have been exploited by the other element of extraterrestrials or ultra-terrestrials, which keep them as slaves, keep them as a workforce,
do terrible things to them, and want to hold that control and there is a direct conflict between those two agendas which is poignant right now when you have a strong local indigenous colonization which is trying to hold on to their control and you have other elements which I might perhaps be associated with are trying to actually Bring culture,
true culture, and the true spirit of human beings, and even ETs, into a new dimension.
And there is a direct, absolute conflict of that, which happens periodically, I would say cyclically, about every 26,000 years.
And people will choose, are they going to take X or are they going to take Y? And when they take X or Y, they're then determining their life path individually and as a nation or as a group for 26,000 years.
There will be a division.
Okay.
So, knowing which side you're working on.
Yeah.
Okay.
Are you feeling that the government that you work for, that has also threatened your life at certain junctures, not sure why.
Elements of it.
Elements of it.
And I don't know if this is the DVD, the infiltration of the German DVD, or if you feel this is infiltration of the negative reptilian side, or who you feel was working against you, I guess is what I'm trying to say.
You see, again, you have compartments and you have levels.
Sure.
And in all organizations, you have a lot of fear.
You have a lot of...
And momentum.
A lot of the momentum that came out of the end of the Second World War was to use and abuse their own military and their own agencies in such a manner that if anything got beyond the parameter, they would kill it off.
And a few idiots, who I know where they live, I'm a secure person.
Decided that a number of people prior to me Needed to be eliminated.
And subsequent to when I had problems, needed to be eliminated.
Because we knew too much.
They don't like people knowing too much.
You're working outside of your compartment.
You might have knowledge, in my case, of three compartments.
And that's freaky because the guy here who is the supervisor is only supposed to know that.
But if you've worked in the system for 53 years, You know, you begin to piece together the jigsaw puzzle and you know an awful lot.
And they don't like that.
So the old-fashioned way was, hang on, we better get rid of that person.
Now, part of this book is an insurance policy, all right?
Some idiot decided to have a go at me in a number of different ways.
One, they tried to get rid of me twice, which didn't work because I'm an old fox.
And two, they tried to character assassinate me, which didn't work either because I just love that.
I'm like Donald Trump.
Attack me and I just love it.
I just love it.
Come on, bring it on!
Because I will respond back, but in a very, very lateral way.
Because apart from that, I have help.
So if anyone's coming after me, I already know they're coming after me and I know where they are.
And I'm told where they are.
And they will be used.
Like your false flags, they will be used.
You can always use a negative.
If you identify another agent, you never take the other agent out.
You turn them.
Or they get turned even if they don't know they're being turned.
Are you with me?
Yeah, but leaving them in place.
I actually talked to Michael Shrimpton, who I interviewed recently, about that notion.
And he wouldn't go beyond that.
He's, you know, he's a loyal...
He's a barrister.
Yeah.
But he did refer to that.
He did at least admit that much.
So that when in Her Majesty's government, etc., etc., the cabinet, you've got individuals who have been targeted or pinpointed or whatever you want to call it, and they are working against the more positive agenda, and they are working against the more positive agenda, so to speak.
They are not taken out.
What you have, and this is a very poignant time, both in America and in the United Kingdom and in most countries, which you could say Russia and China or whatever, you always have positive and negative elements.
Those positive and negative elements will be being influenced by Otherworldly and ultra-dimensional elements who have their own agendas.
Sure.
This is a huge battle that is going on now, mentally.
As Alex Jones would say, a battle for the mind.
You, as a race, as a civilization, are being fought over, not with weapons, although in some parts of the world it is dreadful, because it is hot, well, like in Syria and places like that.
You're being fought over to see who, at the end of this period, will come out...
As the major owner of this planet in terms of all their cartels or the influence or their progressions or whatever.
This is the biblical end times, but it's only a transition.
This is real stuff.
This is not a drill.
People are dying out there and more people will have to deal with, you know, these kind of things.
But this is incredibly important because the good guys are in the minority.
There are not many people on my side.
There are not many people out there who are absolutely prepared to go out there for that kind of upward movement.
The majority of the control is on the negative side, but they are basically flawed by their own methodologies.
They principally defeat themselves.
They're hoisted on their own batard, as we would say in literature.
Okay, fair enough.
So, in essence though, where you sit now, releasing this book, as you say, a sort of insurance policy, what's happening now?
Do you want to describe it, in other words, in more depth, and why you need, at this time, an insurance policy?
Right.
Well, you see, once they started to attack me properly, there are rules of engagement.
I'm not allowed to take a positive action against anybody or in any field, even mentally, unless there's an engagement against me.
So any engagement against me or against people like me is returned, is used, is turned.
This book, for those who can read between the lines, is extraordinarily informative.
There was a book by Peter Wright called Spycatcher a long time ago, and even Stebbing wrote a book which didn't say very much.
It's not really a book about Any one thing.
It's about an eclectic overview, which you have to be able to think.
I'm not telling people what to think.
I'm saying, here's a clue.
You go find the other piece.
It's like a jigsaw puzzle.
And that's the way intelligent works.
If you don't have a Rosetta Stone, you know nothing.
I require people to think and investigate and research and make up their own mind.
I'm not going to tell them where the facts are.
I'm going to give them a corner of a jigsaw password and a corner of a jigsaw password and a piece in the middle and then a load of pieces on the floor.
And they're going to have to put them all together.
And that's the nature of evolution.
And the good guys and the people who are coming out of it.
I have to say, regretfully, I'm moved to say that within the next 20 years, a lot of people will die on this planet.
I've heard that over and over again.
So is the reason you're saying that, is that Earth changes?
Is that what you feel?
Yeah, because the planet was never designed for this many people.
And if the proper understanding of technology and agriculture was applied, ecologically, And with high moral standard, you could feed 9 billion people on the planet.
But that is not the case.
When there's a glut of a particular element, whether it's diamonds or whether it's tomatoes, they're taken down and dropped into the ocean to keep the price up.
The whole economic thing is a mess.
It is, yeah.
And it's totally exploitive.
But why shouldn't this be reversed at this time?
It can be reversed.
And then all those people don't have to die.
Yeah, it can be reversed if people are prepared to get off their arse and do something about it.
But the passengers will not be given a free ticket to ride.
This is a time when individual people have to take charge of their own lives, stand up, be prepared to take the risk of standing up.
As I have done and actually say we are going to work for an upward movement of evolution in culture and fairness and equality and all of these cliches and buzzwords.
It's no good just sitting And saying, okay, I can eat today and my kids are going to school and my pension fund is in place.
That's yesterday's stuff.
Sure.
Just like one's fathers used to work for 50 years and get the gold watch.
That doesn't apply anymore, does it?
No, not even close.
You have to change and be adaptable.
So I'm saying the world is going through a huge change, massive change.
Species are dying out that are no longer required.
Some of them it's regrettable.
Very unfortunate that that's happening.
But the human spirit can overcome every single thing.
The cure for cancer was discovered 17 years ago.
I tried to bring it into this country.
I got raided by the police who said you've made some very powerful enemies shut down or they're going to throw you into prison.
You've got to get away from this exploitive Parasitic psychology of utilizing and abusing people, whether they be children or populations or women or populations or resources, and become the true godlike people that human beings are.
They were built after the gods.
They are potentially all gods.
They have to step into that concept.
Absolutely.
Now, speaking of that, you talk about Sitchin.
You've obviously got knowledge about the Anunnaki.
And so, I've asked you about the Nordics.
What about the Anunnaki?
What about your exposure to the Anunnaki?
The Anunnaki was 600.
The Anunnaki are 600.
Okay.
They don't split souls.
When you have a single soul energy...
It can incarnate into two bodies.
Those incarnations can incarnate exponentially into eight bodies, into 16 bodies, into 64 bodies.
You're splitting the soul energy.
They are all part of the one being.
You have something you might call a super consciousness, say in an insect world.
You can get a train of ants in the Amazonian jungle.
Let's say 100,000 ants.
They might be one soul.
You see birds flying in the sky.
You see starlings.
You see 5,000 starlings, right?
Sure.
You see them fly.
They will mold into a shape.
They have one energy.
You are looking possibly at one soul that has 5,000 biological elements to it.
It happens in fish.
These are very obvious examples.
Right.
We do call it hive mind.
Right.
Now, when you get archetypal races...
They will tend to act as mentors and creators.
Back to the creationists if you want.
Although it's much more complex than that.
Things are made and created and conceived energetically.
And then they are disseminated fractually.
So they become more and more prolific.
And that's the way things do work that way.
But original archetypes will not split.
They will create subspecies.
Now There is unfortunately a rule which you've been observing for the last 70 odd years or longer that generally speaking particular races will not communicate one-on-one to a lower intelligence.
It's one of the rules that you've been subject to very very annoyingly that that's why there have been very few contacts because there is not an equality of There's a rule that this data, this technology has only to be allowed to go to that civilization by that amount.
It cannot do that because that is too dangerous.
There are firewalls.
One of my jobs has been to maintain that firewall.
Keep you here.
Because you're too dangerous to go anywhere else.
If you were Qualified to go somewhere else, you get on something or you go somewhere, you go into a tunnel, you get there.
But the average person is not going to ascend.
This idea they're going to sort of a magic day will come and they'll be floating up to a cloud meeting Jesus.
No.
Please, don't insult my intelligence.
It doesn't work like that.
Go and study Darwin.
Study evolution.
And you'll see over a long period of time how it works cyclically.
Well, but there is also a lot of misinformation in Darwin.
Yeah.
And there are leaps, actually, rather than a gradual progression.
I was really just using it as a basis because, in fact, you will find, which happens with DNA, that DNA can change and be upgraded within a person Within their own lifetime.
Give an example, the Japanese now are much taller than they were in the Second World War.
And modern Japanese men cannot get into the cockpit of a Japanese aircraft that was used in the Second World War.
They're too big.
They have grown.
Some people have been eating burgers or something.
Right.
Well, there's also, I mean, white people, for lack of a better designation, have had the same thing happen.
I mean, we have, you know, old, even log cabins and things like that in the U.S., and I'm sure it's true here.
Actually, it is.
You know, people don't fit into these little houses and little beds and little so on and so forth.
So they were much smaller back then.
Fair enough.
But in essence, what you're talking about is the war for hearts and minds.
Yes.
And you're also relating to the Anunnaki on a certain level.
So what is your exposure to them?
In terms of the government, in terms of their effort to continue to rule here.
They've certainly got some challengers, so to speak, right?
It's, to be honest, very complex.
I'm not being devious, but it's very complex.
Yes.
The Earth is one of the most beautiful, complex, complicated places I would ever wish to be.
I don't want to leave this planet.
I'm not going to jump on a ship and go away.
I have tremendous faith in what can be done with this species, with this biosphere, with this planet, with this solar system.
It reached a certain kind of attainment before, and then it suffered at least two major disasters.
I mean more than just a flood, two major disasters.
You can argue were they deliberate, were they contrived intellectually, or were they natural?
Very hard to say.
But the point is, it is worthy of restoration.
This is like a salvage job to me.
Okay, fair enough.
But, you know, you're referring to these cataclysmic type events.
So one presumes that you're looking at something in the near future, not so near future, not sure what span of time you're looking at.
You did say 20 years in the next 20 years, and I've heard this many times.
There does seem to be, and even now, certain people are checking out also.
They're leaving at, I think, a strategic moment in history.
Not to be around for what's coming, so to speak.
Well, certain people are getting on the bus because astrologically there are windows and wormholes when you will notice that certain categories of people are gone.
And that is not just chance.
That's not just medical.
That is because there's a time and a place.
And their contract...
And their soul energy has decided that that is the moment that they depart.
When I was working medically in clinics, because I ran an alternative medicine clinics for a while, a guy had been saved by medical science by chilling him down in a coma, brought back to life, And then lived for another two years in my care.
He hated it.
He hated it.
He shouldn't have been brought back.
His soul wanted to go.
They'd changed.
They'd interfered with his karma.
He had a heart attack.
He wanted to die.
It was correct that he died.
Physical death is not a problem.
I've died before in previous lives.
I've met other people who've died before.
It's not a problem.
You go on.
If people interfere and hang on for the last few desolate years, it's not particularly a nice thing.
It's not an easy thing.
But where I'm going with this is that I really have to try to motivate people to take grip of their own karma.
They have to step up to the plate and deal with their own stuff.
Not trying to get somebody else to deal with it.
For years I ran a clinic or two and people would come and cry on my shoulder every two weeks.
Literally, you know.
I mean, I would get them through their lives.
And then I had to move.
And I had to say to all these patients, look, I'm moving.
You're going to have to stand around your feet.
Over five or six weeks, I got a lot of people better by saying to them, you know, you've got to take charge of your life.
I'm not going to be here next year.
I'm going.
I've got other things to do.
And I think people have got to step up to the fact that they've got to take charge of their lives.
A, they can work miracles.
They're not to be afraid.
They've got to be brave.
Not foolish, but they've got to be brave.
They've got to be courageous.
They've got to listen to their conscience, listen to their heart.
And they've got to actually really, really try now because their soul Is in jeopardy.
Their soul, I mean this, not just from a religious point of view, their soul is now asking them to decide where are you going to be for this next great day, this next 26,000 years.
Which side are you going to be on?
If you want to be simplistic about it.
You're going to go down the avenue, going to go down, or you're going to go up, or you're going to stay where you are.
And The universe works in cycles.
Everything is cyclical.
Whether it's on the grand scale or the small scale.
Everything is cyclical.
Spring, summer, autumn, winter.
Everything is cyclical.
That's the way it works.
And I try to shout at people, motivate people.
It's not an armchair exercise.
It's not a hobby.
This is...
People's future lives.
Lives, lives, lives upon lives.
And the resolution of everything they've done in the past.
I've had to apologize for things that I've done.
I'm not perfect.
Nobody here is perfect.
If you were perfect, you wouldn't be here.
And I've had to apologize about things I've done.
I've said I'm wrong.
I've made mistakes.
Other people make mistakes.
And you're seeing a lot of transparency come out.
People having to deal with their own stuff.
Right.
So, fair enough, and thank you, you know, you care about humanity.
That much is very, very obvious to me.
And I see you've written, you know, a number of books, and I don't want to leave this interview without having you talk a bit about these books.
And I know you got into crop circles, for example.
And I'd love to know why.
Why did you start to pursue that?
You wrote a whole book about them.
Well, I edited this book, which is not mine.
Crop Circles Revealed.
And this was written by two lovely ladies, and it has a lot of wonderful pictures and diagrams.
One of the most definitive books on crop circles.
I was tasked...
In 1976 to walk into a crop circle and find out what the hell it was all about.
Okay.
And I was actually sent there by the BBC to do a piece on it because I was working for the BBC for a while.
And...
In the course of time, this book was actually published in 2001, and it's called Crop Circles Revealed.
And I only edited that, and I wrote the technical piece at the back, because one of these ladies was channeling, and she came up with lots of that.
Really amazing terms, which she absolutely did not know.
She's got one here, quadrasonic.
You see, she just channels this word and then I have to say, well, what does that mean?
So that was that one.
And then for my own part, Wait, wait, wait.
Before we leave here, I want to know what was your thought?
Because, you know, we have controversy on crop circles.
We know for one thing that the military decided to start making their own at a certain juncture.
Right.
And I'm not sure what their purpose was for getting in the game, but they did.
Right.
And so on.
So what was your take?
If you photograph that page, right?
Right.
You will see some amazing creations.
These things are huge.
They're three dimensional in this particular instance.
This one's a pyramid.
See the pyramid shape?
Look at this one here.
Are you telling me that a bunch of people with planks and a bit of string in the middle of the night go and knock that up with that degree of detail and precision and perfection Are you telling me that?
I don't think so.
I think that is something which is coming in, which is giving a lot.
This is what this book is all about.
It's called Crop Circles Revealed by Judith Moore and Barbara Lamb.
It's about thought forms.
These are thought forms.
These are diagrams of the mind.
And it's true, in my opinion, to some extent knowledge, that a thought form would come down on a platelet, which is the crop, Which is by definition purely temporary.
It has a life of a few weeks, if that.
And the British government did go out and have an answer made or a question made mathematically to that particular download.
And then sometimes an answer would come back to that.
There was this discourse.
This is a very strange language.
This is a very advanced language.
Well, I myself have intuitively seen that there are There are musical...
Some of it comes in terms of music.
It looks like a pattern, but it actually has a musical component.
Yeah, it has a sonic component.
And a lot of the ancient civilizations used sound.
They created things out of sound.
A lot of UFOs, or I call them IACs, are printers.
They can print.
There was a film, what was it called?
The Navigator.
They don't need to have many things.
They can print whatever they want.
Okay, but do you know what race is making these?
More than one.
More than one.
No, not my own people.
Because there is a certain race that is quite responsible for them, to my knowledge.
And I think they go by the name Arcturians.
Yeah.
It could well be.
It could well be.
Some of them I can read, some of them I can't.
It's a very, very lateral, iconic language.
It's almost like pictograms, but it's not logical.
The way you work with a crop circle is to look at it, go into it, and just let it absorb into your subconscious mind.
And then over months or weeks ahead, Sure.
Sure.
And are they also changing the sort of energetics of the environment in which they're created?
They can do.
That's what this book is all about.
These two ladies put some kind of interpretation on what they meant.
How accurate it is, I'm not too sure.
Right.
Because the subconscious always gets in there, doesn't it?
So why were you tasked with this, though?
Were you tasked with this when you said tasked?
I know, but by the British government.
No, initially, funny enough, by the BBC. Oh.
By just a journalistic piece.
Right, but they're not operating on their own either.
No, because they front out.
I mean, like all media organizations, they're a useful vehicle for people to go into situations.
I mean, often journalists who might have, in the old days, be sent into a country are also agents.
Yeah.
It's a very useful cover for, you know...
Sure.
Okay, so before we go on to the other books, there's a question I wanted to ask you that actually now I've remembered, which is, you have contact, right?
You have contact.
And we know you're in contact with the Nordics.
What other beings are you in contact with?
And have you actually seen them?
I've only ever worked With my own race that I was a member of before I was incarnated here.
I am aware of one or two other Species, but I have not worked directly with them.
So when I comment on them, I make an interpretation or an analysis from my point of view.
I, before here, being this stuff, was a Palladian.
I still am a Palladian.
I had Palladian DNA in me, which is referenced in the book.
And the Palladian responsibility is 129 solar systems on this arm of the Milky Way.
And our mission here is to stabilize, continue in continuity, and try to bring the best out of it.
Also, to a degree, hold down the negative elements.
But we are not a warlike, peacekeeping, We try to influence rather than dominate on the basis that we have all the time in the universe.
It doesn't matter if it takes 100,000 years, which is very difficult for a human being to understand.
In my former life, in the life I'm already in, technically out of this body, I'm already 10,800 years old, which is not old.
I said on stage one time recently, I'm not very clever, but I am very old.
I'm not very clever.
Well, I'm not sure that that's actually true, but okay.
So you are very old, and I do acknowledge that.
You know, I myself kind of feel like that as well.
But what I have to say about this, though, is when you got this information about yourself, how did it come to you?
I didn't really understand anything about me at all until I was at least 32, which I think is true of a lot of people.
And I didn't really begin to understand my other connections until I was possibly over 65.
Really?
Because I was too busy with the business of life.
This book goes through all of my life and then it pops in the final chapter before we get into some of the appendices, which is called The Man Who Never Was.
Which was going to be another whole book, but I thought I'd better put a bit of it in here, which relates to who I am within my soul, who I really am.
And you asked me some pertinent questions just now, but let's just get back to these books and then we can get into them and get away from them.
All right.
The Welsh Triangle, which was published in 1979 and then reprinted five times up to 1989, sold 350,000 copies.
There's a lot of interesting stuff in there, and we are going to republish it 17 this year.
And the other book, which was UFO UK, which is a survey, equally we're going to republish that one.
And there's even a French version of the Welsh Triangle, which is all in French.
Okay, why did you write the Welsh Triangle?
Well, I was working with a guy called Hans Holzer, who Americans will remember dear Hans, he's not with us anymore, who wrote, I think, 49 books, and all on paranormal and interesting stuff.
He was a commissioned writer.
You could throw a remit at Hans, and he would have a manuscript in your desk in four to five months.
That was what he did.
He was, if you want, a very, very serious hack writer.
He was also a member of our organisation which was a very very evolved individual in his own right which is where we worked through the organisation called NAEG which is North Atlantic Intelligence Group which is a loose body of people in an NGO which started off with Forestall when Forestall was The Secretary for Defense because many people in those days were very worried about where things were going in the American environment and indeed unfortunately has
gone that way but can be dragged back hopefully this coming year or two.
Changing subject, I was his European agent.
I was his rights agent, and I was ghosting.
I ghosted a book called The Euphonauts, which was a collection of data similar to UFO UK, but rather more American.
And I walked into Granada with a story, which was on the newspaper The Sun, which The Sun newspaper was a tabloid over here, had this headline, The Welsh Triangle.
And I was going to put it into a film that we were making for Hans, which never actually made the screens in the end.
And my editor at Granada for Hans, he was the editor for Hans, said, that's a book.
That's a book.
That name is a book.
And he got in his check when he said, can you put a manuscript on my desk in six months time?
And he wrote me a cheque for £7,000 there and there before I'd written a single word.
He said, go and write me a book called The Welsh Triangle.
And that's it.
So it was commissioned by Granada.
So you didn't know anything about it?
I knew what was in the newspaper, and then I went down there and I found out.
And then I found out a lot of other stuff.
Because it was principally to do with, which is all in the books, it was about the American Oceanographic Research Station, which was actually a submarine tracking station, which was very, very top secret in those days.
Now it's common knowledge.
And they have one in Greenland and one in Nova Scotia.
And they were tracking submarines.
And they were tracking other objects, which were doing 150 knots underwater, which British and American submarines can't do.
They do 48 knots if you're lucky.
Did you come across the underground bases, undersea bases?
No comment.
Okay.
Very good.
But there is one off the coast of Iceland.
There is one off the coast of Iceland, which was getting the NATO did an exercise to try to track it down.
And when they get too close, they get backed off.
So what happened with Bordy, which is the Brides Bay, which is the Welsh Triangle, was ET or UT or whoever was doing their own counter-surveillance back into the base.
And really playing with the Americans and putting information into the computers and doing ghost images and taking stuff out and sending the guys completely crazy.
And I would sit down there to find out what the hell's going on.
Oh, right.
So...
What about Inner Earth?
What about, have you ever heard of Peter Moon's Transylvanian Sunrise and the findings in the vicinity of the Romanian Sphinx?
Yeah.
The tall, you know, the huge cavern with the tall tails, tables and the force field and so on.
Yeah, what you've got, you've got two things.
The ancient civilization, which was here from 450,000 years ago to, and then the human element 250,000 years ago, up to the flood, which we'll say for the sake of argument was about 10,600 years ago.
You had a lot of underground facilities, because that was part of...
The whole concept.
The pyramids of Giza, there's a whole network of underground tunnels and watercourses and what have you.
And in South America, there's a lot of underground tunnels that connect underneath the pyramid of the Moon and the pyramid of the Sun.
So that's all part of their technology.
A lot of it is derelict.
Some of it has been resurrected.
Some of it has been rebuilt.
Some people have built dumps, you know, deep underground military bases for all kinds of different reasons.
Denver Airport, for example.
Seed banks, insurance against an asteroid hit, or what have you.
People trying to vector what happens if I was commissioned to think the unthinkable.
You know, we wrote specifications on what you would do if that alternative ABC or 123.
All of that has gone through for decades and decades and decades, and people have actually built on.
They've got wonderful tunnelling machines.
Yes.
You know, much better than people know, and supersonic railways and stuff like that.
Yes.
There's been a lot of conflict between people who have been trying to hijack and there's been some explosions.
There's been some destruction going on over the past few years between vying groups, cartels and various...
People and institutions, when I say institutions, power groups, families.
So explosions underground in Colorado, as well as Washington, D.C.? Well, see, for example, under Nevada, when you do an underground nuclear test, you create a huge hole in the rock.
Which is basically lined in glass, because the rock melts the glass.
And then if you can then get the radiation out of it, you can build things inside it quite easily.
So I think they use quite a few of those.
But there has been this battle going on in America between...
Right, but you didn't answer my question about...
Okay.
I'm trained to avoid questions, you see.
Yes.
Well, am I going to get an answer to, are you, can you at least say you're aware of the installation that's heavily guarded by the U.S. military, apparently, in Romania in the vicinity of the Sphinx?
There appears to be something there.
I was given a load of data about six months ago to look at.
There appears to be something very real there.
And one of the other things which is very difficult to understand is sometimes you'll find there's doorways.
And the doorway, geologically, is just a carving in a rock.
But like open sesame, it can be a portal.
You can get through the doorway in another dimensional sense, but it's to do with sound, it's to do with acoustics, it's to do with resonance.
And have you ever gone through one?
No.
No, that's not true.
I've been taken through one, but I can't do it myself.
I don't have the key.
It's not given to me to have the key.
But there are keys, and the keys are very, very carefully secured.
And a lot of them don't work.
You're dealing here...
I recommend everybody to go and see a film called Forbidden Planet.
Forbidden Planet, classic film.
This is the Forbidden Planet.
A lot of what's in Forbidden Planet is talking about here.
It's talking about the Krell as a concept of a species who created the Forbidden Planet facilities.
This is the Forbidden Planet.
If you pick up on what is in that film and make a translation into reality away from the fiction, you have got a lot of information about this planet.
You've got UFOs coming out of pyramids in Mexico Where we seem to come out of, and there's nothing there.
You go and look at the rock, but there's still the rock there.
There's no door.
You see a UFO. Let's use the saucer here.
I've seen this.
UFO is solid.
An opening will appear.
Now, on Bond Films or something like that, or on E.T., you'll have an iris, won't you?
You have that sort of wonderful iris thing.
No, it's just this matter changes into an opening.
Okay?
They can do that with anything.
They can create underground spaces.
What about the tall whites that Charles Hall talks about in the vicinity of S4 and Nevada projects?
Yeah, I believe there is a colony there of very ancient people who are principally retired.
You think they're retired?
They're retired.
Okay, that's not kind of how he refers to them.
Well, a lot of them are fairly old and they need younger people to look after them.
In that sense, they're retired.
You see, a lot of the facilities on this planet, other than the human facilities, are nesting That if it works, don't fix it.
They've been here a long time.
They use the facility, they use the resources, they use the human race.
They're not in the business of making progress.
A lot of them are very stale.
They've outlived their own duration.
They are at risk of extinction.
Sure.
That is a fact.
Therefore, they don't want anything to change.
There's some in China, right?
Oh yeah, yeah, sure.
Now, are you familiar with Shambhala?
Vaguely.
In Tibet, you know?
Vaguely.
Vaguely.
So you haven't had any...
Have you been there in this life?
I've never been to Asiatic territories, no.
Uh-huh.
Okay.
So, in terms of what we're talking about here, because eventually we do have to close this down, as wonderful as it is to talk with you, what do you see going on here on the planet in terms of the countries, Trump coming into office, anything to add to any of this, you know?
As a kind of commentary.
Trump is a wonderful loose cannon on the deck who the elite cannot control.
Right.
Good to hear.
He is very non-conformist.
He's brash, young, impotent, out of order, and will probably, given half a chance, shake everything up.
He's catalytic.
That's his principal function.
This is why he needs to become President of the United States.
He needs to be inaugurated.
He is not bought by the lobbyists.
He's not done any major misdemeanours.
He's not one of the cabal.
His father was.
But he's not one of the cabal.
He is brash and honest and open and is prepared to admit his mistakes.
He doesn't try to be perfect.
He doesn't flim-flam.
Yes, he makes very populist redneck statements because they get votes.
He can manipulate a crowd.
He's an entertainer.
But...
He might be the catalytic element which turns America around.
Because America, and I'm talking about the United States influence area, has become a terrible travesty of the America that I used to know and love.
I've worked in America.
I like Americans.
But it's been hijacked over the past God knows how many years.
By a very parasitic, evil element which has had its day and is on the way out.
And Trump could be the man.
Yes, he makes lots of mistakes.
He does lots of stupid things.
He's not the sharpest guy on the block.
But I actually like him.
Okay, I appreciate that.
So what about Theresa May?
I have a lot of faith in Theresa May.
She's a very experienced lady.
She is kind of the modern Maggie Thatch, although she wouldn't see it that way.
Boris Johnson, for example, is also another very good lad.
He's a bit juvenile.
But these are very good people and they will try to fight a very moral, ethical high ground.
I've got a lot of faith in Theresa May.
But no one's perfect, you know, and they're all inhibited, like Trump will be inhibited by the people in the Cabinet, the people in the Senate and the House of Representatives.
You know, it's a group thing.
You're trying to drag forward a huge momentum of established vested interest.
So are you seeing that the European Union is going to be destroyed?
Finished.
It was a bad idea, invented by Hitler, or whatever.
It was Hitler's idea, or Marx's idea, but it's been brought in the back door through a bunch of unelected bureaucrats, little demigods who've got very little understanding of what's really going on.
Some of it is badly influenced by Upstairs, or in a rather negative way.
The whole idea of a European Europe, United States of Europe, was a lovely idea, which was very badly mismanaged.
And the fact is that a lot of people in Europe, as I know from my experience, don't like each other.
They don't like each other.
And the idea that you're going to buy this apple in Bulgaria at the same price as in Portugal, as the same price in Sweden, is complete rubbish.
It ruins their economy.
They have to be independent.
You know, races move around.
The Italians are not Roman.
The Egyptians are not the original Egyptians.
The Hun Chinese are not the Indo-Europeans that built the pyramids in China.
People move around.
The diversification of nature has to be respected in the same way you have diversification of nations and philosophies.
And if you're trying to create this globalist flat playing field, it will never work.
Inherently, it will never work.
Well, that's very good to hear.
So, in terms of the City of London and their agenda, are you brought in on the City of London?
Are you at odds with them?
My family makes loads of money out of the City of London.
Okay, but I'm not quite talking about that.
I'm talking about a group of people.
You have guilds and establishments and families, many of whom are good people, but they have a lot of momentum.
They have been doing the same thing for the same way for a very long time.
They're colonialist.
They are opportunist.
There's a lot of gambling goes on, which they call hedge funds and futures and God knows what else.
Trading programs.
Trading programs.
It needs Wall Street, etc.
It needs to get its act together and start thinking more than the next bottom line of the accounts of the next financial year.
It needs to start taking a long-term view, 10, 15 years.
It needs to start thinking about grandchildren.
Instead of just, how do I make a buck and buy my next superyacht?
Sure, of course.
But, you know, these are people that are also working to rule the world, as it were.
The obsession to rule the world is a primordial, primate obsession.
You get it in alpha males of all species.
He's extraordinarily primitive.
primitive they need to grow up they're not going to be allowed to do it you know look at all your dictators look at napoleon hitler starling you just go on they all have the same obsession i want to rule the world i mean but they did quite a fair amount of destruction in the process yeah but you said it yourself they it was a destructive process it wasn't a constructive process you see if being controversial
if you take where hitler started off he was a vegetarian he was into to alternative energies.
He started off at this point here.
He then got a lot of input from upstairs, from Audubon, through the Odessa Society, the mediums.
They got a lot of Then it was hijacked in the Night of the Long Knives.
It went completely into the negative.
It went downhill and he went completely mad.
He became obsessive like all dictators do.
He didn't die in the bunk in Berlin.
He died in Paraguay in 1976.
But the point is, and there's the Antarctic connection, but this obsession with dominance Is very old, out-of-date DNA. I have access to anything in the local universe.
I can loan anything I want.
I own absolutely nothing.
I mean that.
I don't own a damn thing.
But I can loan anything I want.
I can open doors.
I can have doors open for me if I ask.
But once you try to create an empire, just look at the history books.
Look at the Roman Empire or Genghis Khan.
Empire is an extraordinarily temporary state of being.
And the higher civilizations, which I hope I represent, are trying to expand this local parochial madness from both the people here, you, And the people immediately who control above and bring all of them forward.
I don't have good and bad ETs or good and bad UTs.
The object of the whole exercise is to take the whole thing forward, even if it means conflict.
If the conflict is there, it's because it's been generated by the people who suffer from it.
Regretfully.
Individual karma is extraordinarily savage.
The soul mind of an individual is extraordinarily savage.
It will put that individual through the most terrible traumas to try to get evolution of the soul.
Sure, sure.
Now, in terms of your approach and what you're doing, You know, you are on the one hand disclosing, on the other hand you're sort of safeguarding some secrets, right?
Yeah.
You're trying to stay alive in the process, I get that.
It doesn't really matter.
It doesn't?
I'll be a bit like Okanobi or Alex Jones.
I mean, if anybody does away with any of us people, it only empowers us.
Sure.
I mean, here's a book, right?
Here's a book which is selling quite well.
It's not a bestseller.
Okay, you get it from Amazon.
It's not a lot of money.
Right.
If that book was banned, or I disappeared tomorrow, this book becomes viral.
Sure.
You know, there are certain fundamental...
Rules of psychology that Spycatcher by Peter Wright was banned.
It became the best thing since sliced bread.
People were smuggling it in.
I have a copy.
Sure.
See?
So the point is I'm only going to live a few years I'm 70, right?
Okay?
It doesn't matter to me.
It's impact.
If I can do something important in six months and then die, that's more important than living the next 30 years.
Alright, but when you don't disclose information, you're safeguarding someone or something.
Yeah.
And so you're also sort of, you know, you were tasked a long time ago to work for the Queen of England.
Both the Americans and the British.
The Americans and the British.
In different departments, yeah.
Okay.
And so you are still interacting with them and providing a role of whatever it happens to be at the time, yeah?
So what is it that you are staying away from?
You know, what is it that you don't want to disclose?
What are the areas that you are trying to keep back?
Because are you, you know, free energy is out there.
Very, very, very simply.
It's that when you work with people who are potentially in harm's way, because they're still working in the field, or they're retired, and they're on somebody's hit list, We're not naming names here.
We're talking about concepts.
Okay, well, I'll float into that.
My first priority is protect individual people or organizations so that I don't damage them or put them at risk.
I'm very, very responsible about that.
I will veer very much aside of caution.
When I sense that something is changing...
Being thrown up in the air, it's hitting the fan.
I will perhaps lend weight to the fact, yes, well that is so.
Okay?
I will not break the OSA. I will not break the 30 or 50 year rule.
I will get advice on what I can say and what I can't say.
But if something is about to collapse, I will pull people out from under that building before it collapses if I can.
That's part of my role, right?
There will be a major earthquake in Istanbul within the next two years.
Tens of thousands of people will die because the North Anatolian Fort is moving that way.
You can see it.
It's going along.
Okay, but is this going to be a weather war?
Are they going to stimulate it?
No, it will happen anyway.
All right.
Because the earth expands and as it expands, the eggshell creates.
But it is interesting that you're telling me that.
And that Turkey is kind of a flashpoint at this moment.
Yeah.
Turkey's made a complete turnaround.
It's really strange.
I mean, it's kind of in a critical point geopolitically, and it's kind of veered now towards Russia, whereas it was originally veering very much towards NATO, which was still a part of NATO. Right.
The whole Middle Eastern thing is a can of worms and is in change.
Israel is in a radical state of change.
I won't go into the detail on that, but the whole geopolitical balance of Israel is now in flux.
That's good.
Okay?
Yes.
Which could be very evolutionary.
The poor people in the Middle East, in the eastern side of the Mediterranean, Syria, Iraq, and what have you, are suffering terribly from their society having been destroyed.
Yes.
But it can be rebuilt.
Greece has been damaged because people are trying to grab their oil and gas reserves.
And equally, Gaza Strip has gas, which the Israelis are trying to grab.
But that's another story.
But all of this needs to grow up.
If I said to people, you could all be dead in five years' time.
Wake up.
I would hope they would wake up and do something about it.
You have to come down to people and say, look, forget all of your machinations about wealth.
You could be dead in five years, every one of you.
If I hadn't have stopped a couple of things happening in this country, the United Kingdom, where we're sitting, several tens of thousands of you would be dead today, or dead today when that was going on then.
I stopped that.
I stopped that.
Now I'm telling you, you've now got a crisis.
I'm telling you, the crisis has got to be organised positively.
This is not the time to pervaricate or find excuses or whatever.
You have got to act.
You've got to jump.
You've got to close your eyes and jump and do the right thing, whatever you think the right thing is.
Right.
Absolutely.
Okay, well, thank you for that.
At this time, I think we're close to the time, and so we will begin to wind this down here.
And I wanted to ask you, if I haven't touched on a subject, and you'd like to talk about it, you do wonderful lectures, and you've got quite a sort of, you're a magician, you're an adept, yeah?
So you can...
The floor is open, you know, for the next bit here.
Is there something you would like to talk about that we haven't touched on?
The Man Who Never Was, last chapter before the appendices...
Declares that I came here for the third time from another civilization, which helped create everything that you see here, as far as I'm aware.
Certain early primordial things were created by other civilizations here, made, created.
Parasitic elements for a very long time came in here and hijacked a lot of what had been made.
And indeed in the solar system.
We've already touched on Mars.
Mars was some kind of tragedy.
This solar system is being taken back into the Great Plan.
The elements who want to hang on to it selfishly for their own personal reasons or dragon's tales will not succeed.
They will not succeed.
In trying to hang on, like in Syria, and Iraq is a good example, they may destroy thousands of innocent people, as indeed has already happened.
Other elements that are above this solar system authority would eventually take control.
They will take control as kindly as they can, hopefully leaving all of the domain with the people who are here, including the ETs, but they have to evolve.
They cannot stay as they are.
It's like saying there's now 7.5 billion people Two or a few years ago, it was only 7 billion.
There were 7.5 billion people on the planet.
In the present economic structure, 80% of those people will starve in the next five years, unless something is done.
Yes, absolutely.
It's not the time to theorize.
It's the time to be extraordinarily pragmatic.
I'm extraordinarily pragmatic.
I am an advisor.
I started at the age of 17 to advise the British government.
I've done quite a lot of that.
I advise other people.
I try to make sense of the madness.
I've never understood human beings properly.
I still don't understand them now.
But I think they have tremendous potential.
Sure.
End of statement.
Okay, Peter Padgett.
This has been fun.
It's been fascinating.
I think everyone will agree.
It's great to have you here with us.
And thank you for your service to humanity.
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