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Jan. 4, 2017 - Project Camelot
01:18:47
MICHAEL SHRIMPTON - SPYHUNTER - PART TWO
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Thank you.
Thank you.
Bechtel, penetrated?
Absolutely.
No question in the world that is not penetrated.
The Germans have...
DVD has assets all over the place in the States.
And because they have assets in the Pentagon and the...
I mean, in the Vietnam War, the Secretary of Defense was a German asset.
But the space program has been sabotaged from the Germans from the word go.
I mean, they set up the Apollo 1 murders.
So, the boy, Gus Grissom and the boys have murdered Apollo 1.
And White.
Yeah.
Yeah, murdered.
They're murdered by Germans.
Let's...
Set up a Federal Reserve Bank.
Let's control it, and then we can control medium-term note trading.
And the good guys, Strauss and the others on the ship, understood this.
Aster, they were opposed to it.
They were opposed to setting up the Federal Reserve.
They knew it was going to be under German control.
They knew about trading programs.
Three, Guggenheim, Strauss and Aster, are all taken down.
That was traded, and the profits of the trading operation out of that huge fund sitting in New York have been underpinning the Euro, because the Germans support the Euro offshore.
Right, and you consider the European Union to be a German sort of creation?
Absolutely, yes.
Of course it is.
They're infiltrated.
The Cabinet Office and Intelligence Services are infiltrated, but the names of some of the top German agents have been identified.
Some have been removed.
You're allowed to remain in place?
Some have been allowed to remain in place.
Trump is well informed.
He's going to be a very good president provided the Germans don't get him first.
Well I've also heard that there are some Satanists that are working hard to actually take him over.
Yes, I'm wary about Satanists.
Satanists, as I say, I'm cynical about Satanists.
Satanists are black hats.
But I doubt, I don't believe that many Satanists genuinely believe in hell.
No.
Or Satan.
It's a bit like saying the Archbishop can't be releasing God.
Well, you know, you've got to call him something.
Yeah, exactly.
So they're black hats.
What we're talking about is not necessarily a belief system, but a ritual.
No, magicians.
Yeah, exactly.
And all of these rituals involve getting young kids to take their clothes off, as far as I can tell.
Sex is part of it.
Yes.
And I'm very cynical about that.
Whenever you come across black masses or satanic rituals, there's always nakedness and sex involved.
It looks to be an excuse for...
Persuading young people to take their clothes off, or if they're not willing, taking them off anyway, and then raping them or abusing them.
It relates to Kundalini energy, you know, organ, Kundalini energy, because you're not familiar with it.
I'm not particularly familiar with it.
I have a vague idea what you're talking about.
I wouldn't pretend to be an expert on it.
My view of satanic rituals is that they are an excuse.
In many cases for sexual abuse, particularly for children.
Nasty, violent sexual abuse.
And also death and various things.
But I don't want to digress too far from where we're going with everything that you are relating in your book, because your book is not about that subject.
So perhaps we can take it back a little bit into this whole thing.
You have this thing where you're actually starting kind of World War I, more or less, and then you move into World War II, and I'm about halfway, a little more than halfway through your book, so I'm still getting a lot of really good stuff.
I hope it's not too dull.
No, it's fascinating.
I try not to write into dull stuff.
No, you're superb.
Thank you.
You really are.
I'm very, very...
I recommend this book, you know, unequivocally.
Thank you.
And I do think you're right on about almost, you know, probably nearly everything you say.
There may be some areas where I have a little bit different intelligence.
Intelligence, I don't pretend, I don't claim, I never have claimed that I'm going to be 100% right.
It's not possible.
I want to be 100% right.
But you're aiming for perfection.
And there are many facets to the story.
And so there are always more than one thing going on.
Intelligence is an evolving picture.
If fresh facts come to light, new intelligence comes along, you may have to revise your opinion.
Yes.
And the people that aren't willing to do that are the ones that basically get kind of caught...
Well, that's an intelligence analyst and a conspiracy theorist.
And conspiracy theorists will not revise their opinion, even when it's undermined.
Like the nine of the Twin Towers, you know, the melting point of kerosene is below the melting point of steel.
Well, yes, it is.
But the whole point is that the steel doesn't have to melt.
But you know it's an inside job.
Oh, the DVD set it up, and there were American assets working.
The Al-Qaeda terrorist cell had to get into the States, for which the entry was facilitated.
So German assets inside Korea Group, which is a German part of the DVD... Inside CIA are facilitating the terrorist entry.
To say nothing of CIA? Yeah, absolutely.
Well, this is the trouble.
The CIA is like that Robert Redford film, The Condor.
No, Last Days of the Condor.
It talks about the CIA inside the CIA. The CIA is a multi-layered organization.
It's like a Russian doll, if that's not...
Well, in a sense, the DVD is a similar operation, right?
The DVD is a similar operation, but the CIA, you have...
I regard the CIA as sort of three concentric rings.
You've got the outer ring, which is American.
Then you've got the inner ring, or the middle ring, which is the Korea group run out of Frankfurt, which is German, which controls the outer ring.
But then inside, you've got, at the core, you've got dedicated American intelligence officers like Bill and Mr.
T, who know about the middle ring and are trying to protect the outer ring from the middle ring.
So you've got patriotic guys inside, so you know about the DVD. It's very, very complex.
And that's why the CIA's investigation into Kennedy was run out of Dallas.
Because Langley was hopelessly compromised.
Totally compromised.
You've got to be very careful with the CIA. And many people who have dealt with the CIA will say, well, they're really nice guys.
Well, yes, of course they are.
But you're not dealing, you know, if you're dealing with an American head of station in Budapest or Prague or whatever, you might be dealing with a very nice person who's clearly dedicated and patriotic.
But they're not in charge of the CIA. You write for them, right?
You know it's run by the CIA. Yes, of course it is.
By nice guys.
Gordon Duff, nice guy.
Well, yeah, he's supposed to be.
He is a lovely man.
No, I've even talked to him.
But I can tell you that they're not always doing nice things.
No, I don't...
You know, that's the trouble.
They may be nice guys, but they're not always...
Correct.
The hands are not always clean.
In the world of intelligence, that's not unknown.
But the fact that I write for veterans today doesn't mean to say I agree with everything my fellow writers say.
But they've given me a platform.
They asked me to write for them.
Which, you know, is to their credit, actually.
Indeed, and they've gone public with the truth about my case.
I got to know veterans today because they knew about my arrest.
They knew the arrest was a phony, and Gordon Duff has gone public with that.
And he does do that.
He does go to the defense of some very good people.
He's good people.
I don't agree with them about Iran, I don't agree with them about Palestine, but it's intelligence.
We can agree to differ.
We could go on for hours about that kind of thing.
It's got anti-Semitic readers, but so what?
The BBC has anti-Semitic viewers.
I'm not responsible for the opinions of the readers, nor is Gordon Taft, nor is anybody in BT. No, but they are leaning...
They sort of feed both sides of the equation, if you will.
Yes.
Which is always a common thing.
Yeah, absolutely.
And the fact that I'm on Veterans Today allows Gordon to say to Mossad, well, we're not anti-Israel, because we've got Michael writing for us.
Well, that's fine.
What's your affiliation with Israel?
Why is that such an...
Well, it's known that I've worked in Mossad.
Gordon Thomas said in his book, some of my stuff is taught at Mossad's training school.
All right.
I like Mossad.
They're lovely people.
They're very nice people.
But they are infiltrated by the Germans.
Yes, they had a...
We're entering into a delicate area.
I identified a number of senior DVD penetration assets inside Mossad.
You must be very useful in that way.
Yes.
Now, Mossad also, a little bit like the CIA, Mossad has...
There are two massages.
There's the front office, nice and fluffy, and the back office, who are nice but not so fluffy.
I deal with the back office, normally.
Fair enough.
I wouldn't normally...
The Mossad had a station in London wouldn't invite me around for drinks.
If Mossad invited me for drinks, it'll be the back office.
I'm being very careful.
I hear you.
I'm not saying anything is not out in the public domain.
I'm not saying anything which the bad guys don't know.
The bad guys know that Mossad is not just the office block in Tel Aviv.
There is another Mossad facility and surprise, surprise, there is some very serious intelligence work being done in Israel and it's not all done in the front office.
Yes, absolutely.
But that is not saying anything that anybody who knows anything about the world of intelligence wouldn't know already.
Right.
So, I mean, we can go lots of different directions from here, and, you know, it fascinates me that the thing is that your book deals with the past, and it's wonderful, and it's so well documented.
Thank you.
And I so recommend it.
But why don't we talk a little bit of the Titanic?
Because there is that element of that which is kind of substantial in terms of the banking industry.
And that could bring us up to what's really going on in the economy right now.
Yeah.
Your viewers will understand that I can't...
It's very difficult to talk about current operations for two reasons.
One is the strict English law of libel.
I have to write under the strict English law of libel, so I'm effectively ganged by libel laws.
It's very difficult for me, if not impossible, to name current German spies.
Sure.
Because then, you know, you're stuck in front of a jury and you're left out on a limb because the intelligence agencies know that you're telling the truth won't back you up.
Well, you must...
Okay, but you have friends in the USA, right?
I do, yes.
And those people must know that your intelligence is correct.
I mean, if they're white hats, what we call white hats, yes?
Yes, yes.
The white hats know that...
The white hats know, A, I'm not going to bullshit them.
If I pass on intelligence, it's because I think there's a serious...
I will only pass on intelligence which I think is either...
Clearly documented and accurate, and I'm 100% satisfied with it, or if I'm not 100% satisfied with it, they know that I think it might be true, and I'm passing it on on that basis for evaluation.
Right, further investigation.
It's potentially...
I'll only pass on intelligence which is credible, or potentially credible.
The nuclear warhead, it was in that category, potentially credible.
I didn't know the warhead was there or not.
To find a warhead, you need me on sensors.
You need...
You need your radiation sensors.
Well, I don't have radiation sensors.
Why was it put there, in theory, to be used and then removed?
Oh, it was removed because I was told about it.
Because you blew the operation?
We blew the operation, yeah.
Really?
Yeah, absolutely, yeah.
So you're a hero?
Yes.
You should be a British hero.
You should be decorated.
I probably ought to be mentioned in the news honours list rather than banged up in...
It's a very Kafkaesque world.
It is, I'm afraid, yes.
You do the right thing.
You end up in prison.
Exactly.
Well, Mark Richards would be the same case.
Yes, but what goes around comes around.
The record of the phone call is now with MI5, along with the note that was faxed to the Cabinet Office.
MI5 have now released to me correspondence which the police stole from my briefcase and denied on oath existed.
Well, that's now in my hands and has now gone to the Criminal Cases Review Commission.
There will have to be compensation at the end of the day, obviously.
The convictions will obviously have to go.
And that process is underway as we speak.
So, as I was told by intelligence students, tell the truth.
Normally it will come around in the end.
Yeah.
Acting in good faith.
Okay.
Albert Einstein.
Yes.
Speaking of having friends in the U.S. and having brief, You briefed some people.
In your book you say that you briefed JPL and then the Skunk Works about the true nature of Albert Einstein being a German asset.
Well, it was more than the JPL. The Skunk Works is relevant because Skunk Works is just up the road from JPL. JPL Pasadena, as you know, Skunk Works and Palmdale.
I work for JPL. Oh, there you go.
There's a lovely back road through the mountains.
As a contractor, let me know.
Can we make sure the record is exactly right?
You know the area.
There's a lovely back road through the mountains.
There's a very scenic route, to use the American pronunciation, there's a very scenic route from Palmdale down the back to Pasadena.
You can also go the boring route down Highway 14 and take the Pasadena Freeway.
I had been invited in by JPL to discuss Einstein and the speed of light.
JPL knew that Einstein was wrong about the speed of light, but they couldn't understand why he'd put out some such obviously flawed conclusions.
And what year was this?
Well, Einstein...
Oh, I would have bought my diary, because the prosecution at one point disputed that I'd ever been invited into JPL Pasadena.
I actually had my diary.
I wasn't allowed to give evidence about this.
I was stopped from giving evidence halfway through.
I had my diaries for all, any meeting was in dispute.
The prosecution disputed.
I had been consulted by NASA. So I had my diary with me in court.
JPL, you know, name of who I'm seeing, JPL Pasadena.
It was an afternoon meeting.
Skunk Works in the morning.
JPL, and it's in my diary.
And I'm there.
I was not allowed to show this to the jury.
Absolutely outrageous.
Right.
With respect to the Leonard trial judge.
Pasadena knew that Einstein was wrong about the speed of light being a limiting velocity.
They wanted to know how I knew, because I'm a lawyer, not a physicist.
Okay, we still didn't get the year, though.
Oh, I think it was 2009, but don't crack me, I haven't got my diaries with me.
Yeah, it's interesting from my perspective.
I had so many visits to Skunk Works.
I think it was 2009.
All right, so you might get there.
Might have been 2008.
It was around about that time.
Yeah, good enough.
You can time it because NASA then set up an experiment of the Large Hadron Collider.
They exceeded the speed of light.
They made a public announcement.
Then the Germans put pressure on them and pretended they got the timings wrong and were using cookie clocks.
They have very accurate clocks.
So NASA is, of course, infiltrated.
NASA has been penetrated since the word go.
Werner von Braun was a DVD. So all the paperclip scientists were DVD. All of them.
The paper clip is a DVD operation.
They never stopped their ties, too.
No, no, no.
NASA's been penetrated right from the way.
That's how they lost two space shuttles.
NASA knew who I was because I'd worked out how the two space shuttles had gone down, and I'd already briefed in NASA security.
So I was a known quantity for NASA, but they couldn't go public.
But who was listening to you at NASA? The director of JPL. At the time was...
A very nice general.
I bet I'll give his name.
I probably ought to check before I gave his name.
He was the director of JPL at the time.
Okay.
And I didn't meet him.
I met a rocket scientist.
He asked a very nice rocket scientist to meet me.
Oh, really?
So I go into JPL. You know JPL. Now, here we can test.
You've been inside JPL. Yes.
Okay.
Now, as you go inside JPL, the first thing you see on the left is a nice little gift shop.
Mm-hmm.
And I still have the NASA... If I knew we were going to discuss JPL, I'd have bought my NASA Mouse Man.
Because I'm very proud of my NASA Mouse Man.
I like my NASA Mouse Man.
I don't blame you.
People, at the trial, I made a point of having my NASA Mouse Man with me.
So, I've actually been to Pasadena.
I'm not making this up.
As you go in the door, there's a little gift shop.
It's not very large.
It's on the left-hand side.
It's well stocked with sort of NASA items.
You get your NASA Mouse Man.
Yeah, I think they might have changed it.
They're re...
Oh, we're talking...
...the lobby since then.
Ah, well, if they've redone the lobby...
No, I was there in the earlier days, and then I saw it later on, so I know that they changed.
Now, to the right of the lobby, there is a seating area.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Now, this is where...
See, NASA is very political.
NASA's budget would get halved overnight if Obama...
I think by then Obama was in power.
The fact that NASA were talking to me was...
Washington were not supposed to know about this meeting.
And it was done in Pasadena for two reasons.
Well, Obama wasn't in power.
Oh, it's 2009.
2009?
Well, he's had two terms, so eight years.
No, no, 2009.
January 2009.
I think he was already in power.
But this meeting wasn't official.
Sure.
And NASA, there were all sorts of political complications if NASA put it out that they couldn't pay me a fee.
There's no way in the world they could pay me.
I didn't ask for one, and they couldn't pay me one, because that sets up paper trails and audit trails.
Did they fly you?
No.
My expenses are being paid by the company on whose board I sat, Cox Powertrain, and we were selling some new technology to Skunk Works for the CIA UAVs.
Skunk Works does work for the CIA. Yeah.
No surprise there.
And we were talking to the boys at Palmdale.
JPL was down the road.
So JPL said, when are you next in California?
I said, well, I've got some business at the Skunk Works.
I'd come down and see you in the afternoon.
And I know there's a nice little back road, which I've been dying to try, because I see these mountains.
You know, every time I go to Palmdale, Palmdale's in the high desert country, and you see these wonderful mountain range, and you think, gee, there's some really nice roads.
I look at the map and I think, I have my favorite battered American road atlas, and I'm looking at these roads and thinking, gee, that really, that nice twisty mountain road.
I want to do that road.
Absolutely.
We're in an American area, I always drive American cars.
I make a point of it.
It's just a courtesy.
If a Hertz or Avis tried to rent me a Japanese car, I'd say, take it back to Tokyo, boys.
I'm in America, I want an American car, okay?
We're in America, I drive American.
I drove a Caddy across the States.
I did that, too.
Twice.
Wonderful car.
I like Hummers, so I pick up a rented Hummer from the Hertz lot at LAX, which, as you know, is miles from LAX, but the Hertz lot at LAX. And what Hertz are proud to call their LAX facility, which is about two miles from the airport from memory.
And I rolled up this Rendon Hertz Hummer.
And I think it was, for fairness, it was the small Hummer.
There were two sizes of Hummer.
This was probably the small one, H3. Okay.
And I roll up at the Pasadena.
There's a gatehouse, as you know.
You drive in, there's a gatehouse, there's a car park, and you go into the lobby.
And it's not far from the car park.
So I roll up in the Hummer.
The guy's singing, OK, we've got an Englishman here and a Hummer.
So what's happening here?
I've never seen him before.
I've got a meeting, and I give the name of the nice rocket scientist.
This is sanctioned by the director.
We have a meeting, scheduled, phone call.
Right.
So, yes.
I go into the building.
You have to go to reception first.
And I had to be ticketed in.
And somebody puts a phone call through.
Oh yes, and the nice rocket scientist then came down to see me, and we sat in the right-hand seating area in the lobby, because I couldn't go to his office.
No way could I be seen going to his office.
There had to be some denial, but the director needed some deniability.
Michael Shrimpton coming into JPL to talk about Einstein being a German spy.
And the nice rocket scientist said, yeah, we come to the same conclusion as you, but we want to know how you, as a non-scientist, Concluded that Einstein was wrong about the speed of light being a limiting velocity.
And I said, well, it's because he was a German spy.
But I've read his book.
I'd actually, I'd flown Virgin, Richard Branson, one of my contacts we've never met, but Richard had been kind enough to upgrade me and my fellow directors to upper class for these flights.
And Richard had told me that his new upper class bed was worth trying.
And I said, okay, upgrade us all.
We can do some civilized treatment.
We haven't got the contract.
We're a startup.
We're a technology startup.
We're a bit short of cash.
Are you still involved in this company?
No, my finances went rather south and after the, it's a long story, but I was forced off the board of Cox Power Trade, who are now dealing business with the Ministry of Defence, and the Ministry of Defence would have forced me off the board anyway, so that came to an end.
But at that stage, I was still on the board.
I told my co-directors that I had some contact details for Richard Branson.
He gave me a slight favor on some intelligence.
I passed him an Airbus ripping him off on the A380, which is 11 metric tons overweight, which is a lot of weight to carry around that you don't need.
And I put a request through to Richard's office in Gatwick.
There's a nice VIP office down in Gatwick.
He said, can we have some upper-class upgrades, which he courteously provided.
So the boys rolled up to Heathrow, giving the VIP treatment, all upgraded to upper class, out to LAX and back.
And they're thinking, oh, right, okay, Michael does have some contacts with Virgin.
We'd flown in upper class and on the upper class flight, there is a point to this, I hasten to assure your viewers, I'm preparing for my meeting with JPL because I'm meeting a rocket scientist, okay?
NASA invited me in, I'm talking to a rocket scientist, we're going to talk rocket science to the rocket scientist.
Oh gee, I better reread Einstein's book.
So everybody else in the upper class cabin is reading comics and the nice virgin magazine and Or they're watching the movies.
Michael's there reading Einstein's theory of relativity.
And this just goes around the cabin.
You know, the flight attendants think, this guy's reading Einstein.
And I just sit there muttering, you know, oh, that's wrong.
And people say, what the hell?
He's reading Einstein and he's muttering, saying that's wrong and that's wrong.
And I was making notes in my book.
Well, let me ask you, why do you know?
I mean, look, it's widely known, at least in my sector, that Einstein is wrong about a number of things.
Absolutely.
How do you know this?
Do you have any training in this?
No, I'm not a rocket scientist, but remember I have an IQ of mid-180s.
Even so, I have a very high IQ. You do, of course.
It doesn't mean you know the sector.
No, absolutely.
I don't know the sector, but I knew Einstein was a German spy.
All right, you know that part.
And how do you know that part?
That comes from multiple sources.
Einstein was a German spy.
My sources are fairly deep.
Multiple sources.
Meinstein was a German spy.
He was the head scientific advisor for German intelligence.
He was the key German asset on the Manhattan Project.
Yes, he was.
Exactly.
Well, he was supposed to be the American.
Oh, yes, he was supposed to be working for you guys.
He was working for the Germans.
So I knew Einstein was a German spy.
And any idiot reading his book, well, that's probably not true.
But my understanding was he was also not quite as intelligent as people make out.
No, no.
He seems to have an idea about 160, 170.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm sure I put it this way.
I'm glad I'm not as dumb as Einstein.
Not many people can say that with a straight face.
I'm sure glad I'm not as dumb as Einstein.
I suspect his IQ was around 160.
He was taking credit for other people's work.
I'm glad I'm not as dumb as Einstein as well.
But nonetheless, I still want to know, in other words, were you looking at his theorems or whatever in his book and saying, you said, you know, no, this is wrong, this is wrong, and yet...
No, I know you're an incredible historian, and you do know all these, you know, I'm not a technical person necessarily, but you know all the boats and the ships.
I'm technically literate, yes.
You're very.
And so is it partially that?
Partially that.
Were you trained in physics?
No, I have no training in physics at all.
I'm the only rocket scientist, I'm the only non-rocket scientist invited, probably in the history of Pasadena, invited in to have a discussion with a rocket scientist about rocket science.
Well, not necessarily, because they, well...
You have a high IQ as well.
With a high IQ, you can contribute fresh insights into a field.
You can talk to a specialist in a field.
It's not your field.
They talk to people at Disney, creative people.
That's why I worked there, because I was a media consultant.
Well, that's right.
I mean, you can work across field boundaries.
Yes.
If you're intelligent, you do work across the boundaries.
It's stupid not to.
One of the problems is if you are blessed with high intelligence, you are all cursed.
I mean, sometimes it's a curse.
I agree.
It's a curse because you have to deal with idiot roses and politicians and cabinet ministers with an IQ of 140 who think they're smart.
And you think, oh, no.
Some cabinet ministers and politicians and policemen can be really hard work, but it can be a curse.
Sometimes I think, oh, why couldn't I have been born dumb?
I think your life would be a little easier.
If I was given some options and said, look, you can come back as good-looking but a bit dumber, I'd probably say, yeah, we'll take those boxes, let's come back with a bit more charm and a bit more good looks and less intelligence.
I doubt it, though.
You know, it's actually a joy to have a good intelligence.
It is.
No, I'm only joking.
I actually think the measurements for intelligence are completely wrong, sent off, and the measurements are not measuring.
So let's not get into that whole thing.
But okay, back to...
Yes, my intelligence, there are certain things on my Mensa test, for example, when it comes to diagrams, I actually have quite a low, on the test that was partly diagram based, I have a low score.
Right.
The human brain is a very complex thing.
It's also very...
Those two brains are entirely alike.
And although you might have...
You and I have high intelligence, but there are some things...
Totally different areas, possibly.
Totally different areas.
And there are certain things you're not going to be very good at.
Plus, emotional intelligence is a huge...
Emotional IQ is another thing altogether.
And imagination.
And, you know, these things they haven't even learned how to measure.
That's right.
There are certain things...
My partner keeps complaining about my complete and utter uselessness around the house.
I can change a lightbulb, but don't ask me to fix the telly or fix the computer.
If my computer breaks down, I take it to a computer shop to fix.
I wouldn't dream it.
I couldn't fix a faucet.
Well, I probably could, but...
But you can quote different boats and different cars and their mix and their models.
Oh yes.
And you also, I don't want to miss this part, and I know we have to come back to Einstein, but I do want to say that you were the person who negotiated on behalf of Britain to keep a Rolls Royce out of German hands.
Oh yes, yeah, they led the British bid.
Keep the Rolls Royce and Bentley out of German hands, yes.
Yeah, well, I then owned one of the cars.
I was a Bentley driver.
Vickers lied to me and said they weren't going to sell the company to the Germans.
But they were already negotiating with BMW. But you were behind the scenes kind of trying to orchestrate.
Yeah, well, it was actually out in public.
I led the crew motors, chairman of crew motors in the British mid-vehicle.
And you were something of a...
I think you were on the BBC. Oh, yes.
At one point, I was surrounded by about 25 camera crews.
Right.
I had seven satellite vans parked in my road in...
You were involved in top-secret negotiations.
Oh, yes.
I had some very serious conversations with a very nice general on the back of my Rolls-Royce Phantom gliding around the city.
In some ways, that's a great movie as well.
Oh, the Rolls-Royce bid would make a wonderful movie.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, we stood up to Volkswagen.
Fascinating.
Oh, we kept saving the factory.
Because we're talking about technology and what happens to it and how it, you know, how it gets traded among countries.
Yes, technology, I would hold myself out as being technologically literate as long as people don't understand by that that I'm claiming to be able to fix a faucet or fix a computer.
Right.
Those I can't do.
Well, it's conceptual.
So, to get back to Einstein and to JPL, so you went to talk to them about his...
The obvious errors in Einstein's theory of relativity, yeah.
And what was the reaction of the person you were talking to?
He already knew that Einstein was wrong.
Right.
So JPL already worked out...
Did you just have a nice chat?
We had a lovely chat.
The guy had never dealt with before.
He was a little bit...
Baffled, I think.
He couldn't quite understand why as a rocket scientist he was being asked to interview an English barrister.
Right.
Until he met me.
Yes.
And I think with about five minutes he sort of realised that his time was not being wasted.
I think our meeting probably overran.
I think he might have allotted 15 minutes and we were there for a bit longer than that.
I think we had a cup of tea from memory.
Which took some organising, because JPL are not used to visiting Englishmen in the afternoon.
It's afternoon, so afternoon tea.
I was ready for a cup of tea by the time I'd driven down from Palmdale.
We have a serious conversation.
He's a very nice man, very intelligent.
And Pasadena already knew that we can go faster than the speed of light.
They wanted to know how I knew about these two German scientists who had already done it.
I said, well, I think they actually published a paper or they wanted to publish a paper.
There's a draft circulating in the Intelligence Committee, but these are the two scientists.
You want to talk to these guys or you want to read their work.
But these guys have already gone past the speed of light.
Well, let me ask you this.
With a subatomic particle.
I mean, not the guys themselves, but a subatomic particle.
All right.
But this is the front offices of NASA. In essence, you know, what I would say black projects, they already knew all this stuff.
And so the question is, is that were you there...
For them to pump you of information because how you knew so that they could follow those intelligences.
Oh yes.
They wanted to know how I knew and they also wanted to know, I think they were written in my analysis of how Einstein had made such an obvious error.
It's obvious reading Chat's theory of relativity that Einstein is confusing constants and variables.
The whole theory is just nonsense.
And, you know, if to put it in layman's language, for the benefit of viewers who are not rocket scientists, many may be, but for the benefit of viewers who are not rocket scientists, effectively what Einstein is saying in the theory of relativity is that as you see the Queen Mary sail over the horizon, it's not only looking smaller, but it actually effectively what Einstein is saying in the theory of relativity is that as I mean, that's actually what he says in his book.
That's reduced to Raymond's language.
That is what he's saying.
And that is just obvious nonsense.
Right, but isn't that sort of a twist of phrase?
No.
The way he does his calculations, he's putting...
His calculations are...
Scientifically, not illiterate, but there's no intellectual honesty in the calculations.
He is confusing variables and constants.
And he's treating a constant as a variable.
In other words, he's bending the rules in order to arrive at the result that he wants.
He doesn't want mankind to go beyond the solar system.
He doesn't want mankind to think we can reach for the stars.
Well, yeah, that's really more the key.
Look, if he's a German agent, then...
They were already doing this, and so they really don't want that.
They don't want anybody else knowing that, and they don't want anybody else looking to the stars.
So that's, you know, because he's a PR man for them.
Yeah.
The space program has been sabotaged from the Germans from the word go.
I mean, they set up the Apollo 1 murders.
So, the Gus Grissom and the boys are murdered.
And White.
Yeah.
Yeah, murdered.
They're murdered by Germans.
They...
It's done in several ways.
The Germans fiddle with the wiring, so you get the spark.
But the Germans...
It's German assets brought over to the United States under paperclip, who were working for the DVD, who insist on an oxygen atmosphere in the space capsule.
When any idiot would have realised that you need air in the capsule, you don't need oxygen.
So the Germans have...
It's called design sabotage.
You make something that isn't going to work, and you interfere with the specifications.
To blow up a space capsule, an atmosphere that's 100% oxygen is just perfect for all you need to spark, and that's the end of the astronauts.
What about the Challenger?
That was sabotaged.
Challenger sabotaged, so it was Columbia.
Challenge of a sabotage, it was easy.
I mean, the Germans had worked out, they knew about, they knew, one thing the Germans do understand, Jerry understands rockets.
You know, he does a good rocket.
He always has a good rocket.
He understands rockets, he understands U-boats.
He knew about the problems of the O-ring.
He would never have designed SRBs in the way that Morton Thiokol had done.
He knew about the problems of low temperature.
NASA had penetrated.
The earlier problems with O-rings at low temperature launches were picked up.
They also knew about the vibration problem that you get when the space shuttle had to throttle back because there was a vibration problem.
They knew about that.
In fact, the Germans are disappointed.
They wanted Challenger to blow up as she left the launch plan.
They were hoping for a blow up at FL-10,000, FL-158.
Well, did you hear that a couple of the crew were still alive when they hit the water?
It doesn't surprise me because the space shuttle itself was very well designed.
It's very strong and it wouldn't surprise me at all.
Because I actually had...
I did an interview with someone who was then subsequently killed.
He was killed by a phone call.
His wife saw him receive the phone call.
They sent a pulse through the phone and he dropped dead.
It's a little bit like the...
This is life imitating art, thinking back to the start of Live and Let Die.
I guess so, but this has really happened.
And he was somebody that I thankfully actually got to interview a couple of times, actually.
And he reported...
He was on a Navy ship that was told to turn around and not to rescue them.
Yeah, that doesn't surprise me.
Yeah, just like in the Titanic, what you were...
Yeah, exactly.
That doesn't surprise me.
I've often wondered whether any of the poor crew aboard were alive.
I suspect they weren't.
The whole Christian McAuliffe thing was done to upset children.
It's a German strategy.
You upset kids.
Psychological impact.
I'm sorry, what way?
Christian McAuliffe was the teacher, wasn't she?
Oh...
On the Challenger?
Yes.
You have a teacher.
That whole teacher in space program was set up by German assets inside NASA in order to increase the shock value of the loss of the shuttle because the plan was to murder the teacher.
She was clearly a very nice person.
She was clearly very good with kids and obviously a wonderful teacher.
So she is clearly very excited.
This is the greatest moment of her life and they murder her.
And the brutality of that is shocking.
Yes.
Absolutely dreadful.
Yeah, I mean, it's so crucial that people start to get aware of this sort of thing.
Well, that's right, and I wasn't having that.
And it's going throughout American history.
When I worked out what had happened, I provided my analysis into NASA. And I had some, put it this way, I had an internal NASA phone book.
I didn't need to ring the NASA. I didn't go through the switchboard.
I just ragged the director of security on his direct line and said, hi.
Okay, now what about your trip to Skunk Works?
You didn't go to tell them...
Oh, no, no, no.
We were selling technology.
We had some very exciting new propulsion technology designed by a wonderful man called David Cox.
And we were selling him an engine.
I see.
We were negotiating some resources to get the engine into production.
I didn't just talk to Skunkwicks.
I went to talk to GE about production contracts and Rolls-Royce and some very nice people called Lycoming in Williamstown, Pennsylvania.
Awfully nice people.
I like Lycoming.
They're very good people.
I mean, like Rolls-Royce Allison, we were talking to the president.
But your company, just for the record, was?
Cox Powertrain Limited.
Okay.
That's on the public record.
I was a director.
All right.
And what kind of technology?
This is piston engine technology, piston opposed, cylinder opposed, very compact design, using a Scotch yoke, and you end up with a very, you end up with, essentially, you have a piston engine that has got the Fuel consumption or fuel economy of a diesel engine combined with the energy density of a turbine.
Because you're rearranging the internals of the engine in a more efficient way.
So did they buy?
No.
Well, there were several problems.
One was Obama was coming in.
Secondly, the defense budget was getting cut.
Thirdly, somebody lent on the CIA to yank the contract from Lockheed and give it to General Atomics or somebody.
So there were all sorts of political problems with it.
And the budget wasn't there to take the engine to production.
We had a working prototype, but we needed to productionize it.
That's actually an expensive process.
We were looking for a production contract, and what we really wanted was a production partner to throw some serious resources into productionizing it, which didn't happen.
But we made presentations, and Rolls-Royce and General Electric, and serious engine designers are looking at this and thinking, holy smokes, why didn't we think of this?
Yeah, this works.
We had the schematics and the computer-aided design and the 3D diagrams, and we had...
So what happened?
Is your company defunct at this point?
Oh, I was forced off the board.
They brought in money.
This is another problem.
Frank Whittle had the same problem.
He also had a brilliant design, the jet engine, and the Germans took over his company.
They arranged through a bank called Fork& Co.
To take over his company.
When capital is introduced to a technology startup, it's often a means of controlling it.
Whittle had that problem with Power Jets Limited.
We had that problem.
Cox Powertrain had that problem.
People were coming in who knew nothing about the project, didn't they?
One had been an engine from another.
Right.
Who were overturning the decisions made by the recommendations of the designer of the engine, which is a bad idea.
The engine was moving away from the design concept.
Well, it was probably sabotaged anyway.
Well, I did wonder as to whether somebody's messing around with our engine for a reason.
And the poor designer eventually died of cancer, poor man, David Cox.
And the project was going sideways.
And Obama came in and there was no way Lockheed were going to get a contract if I was anywhere near it with Obama in power.
So that didn't happen.
But I wasn't visiting Skunk Works just once.
I was there...
Oh yeah, a number of visits to Skunk Works.
So who was your contact there?
The head of Advanced Development Program was at Lockheed Martin.
Oh yeah?
Frank Capuccio.
And others.
Frank's out in the open.
Frank had worked with Bill.
Remember, my client Bill was one of the sources referred to in Spy Hunter.
Remember, Bill was a U-2 pilot.
The U-2 was a Lockheed program.
The U-2 was designed by a very brilliant designer called Kelly Johnson.
That's right.
Frank Cappuccio had worked with Kelly Johnson on the U-2 and had worked with Bill.
So Frank knew Bill from the 1950s when...
Kelly's designing the U2. Bill tests through the U2. Your contact is going to know my latest interview, William Tompkins.
He will know him.
Almost certainly, yes.
Can you talk to him?
I can certainly talk to...
I can talk to my contact.
I want you to watch that interview and I want you to send it to your friend.
I'd be delighted to.
Would you do that?
I can do that.
Thank you.
Because he would definitely have some things to say about William Tompkins and perhaps they're even friends.
I don't know.
They might have been.
It's a small world.
But he won't go by the name of Bill.
Is that correct?
Correct.
But having defended in court and got home to America a U-2 pilot who was involved in the U-2 shakedown program, Right.
He was a bit of a hero to the Skunk Works at the time.
He's one of the pilots.
He taught Frank Powers how to fly the U-2.
So this is somebody who was very intimately involved in the U-2 program.
So that won't be hard to trace.
He was also on the SR-71 check-down program.
Okay, let me ask you about the F-35, I think it's called.
Oh, lovely airplane.
Why is that?
It's like a black hole in terms of...
Sending money down a drain?
No, no, no.
It's very good value.
It's offering extremely good value for the taxpayer.
I don't know how lucky you're doing it for the money.
I don't understand.
You know, because it's...
I'm friends with Lockheed.
Yes.
We've now got a good man in the White House, so I'm hoping to be talking to Lockheed again.
But, now, correct me if I'm wrong, but I have an aerospace historian, Michael Schrat, who says, I think, you know, and hopefully I'm not misquoting him here, that the F-35 has, they have been revising this aircraft over and over again.
There have been one big changes.
It's never, ever gotten out the door.
No, that's not quite.
It's achieved initial operating capability.
I mean, it's flying off the decks of aircraft carriers.
It's not in squadron service, but they have achieved IOC on the F-35C. It constantly has things wrong with it, supposedly.
It's a very complex plane.
There were slight problems with the ejection seat on the F-35B. It's a complex plane, has multiple customers.
My understanding there's sabotage involved.
There's no way in the world the F-35 program is immune from sabotage.
So Lockheed will have had to contain the sabotage on the F-35, absolutely.
But it's a fine aircraft.
Is it possible that the top aerospace companies Such as Lockheed, and we don't have to name names, is infiltrated.
Oh, yes.
Lockheed, I mean, the Lockheed Tristar was targeted.
Lockheed had huge problems with Prince Bernard, and that was a huge setup.
He was a German intelligence officer.
He started off working for the SS, of course.
Bernard sets up Lockheed.
Lockheed have been targeted by the Germans for years, ever since the P-38.
Because Lockheed are brilliant people.
I mean, Kelly Johnson designs a P-38, the Germans realize, oh gee, the Germans have always targeted Lockheed for decades.
So yes, Lockheed, Boeing, Boeing know they're targeted.
The Dreamliner was targeted.
I told Boeing the Dreamliner was being targeted.
What about Bechtel?
Bechtel, penetrated?
Absolutely.
No question in the world that it's not penetrated.
The Germans have...
DVD has assets all over the place in the States.
And because they have assets in the Pentagon and the...
I mean, in the Vietnam War, the Secretary of Defense was a German asset.
Nakamura.
Really?
Yeah, that's why American pilots couldn't shoot down...
The rules of engagement for the US Air Force in the Vietnam War were drawn up by a German agent, all to help the Vietnamese, because the Luftwaffe were flying...
The Luftwaffe boys didn't want to get shot down by hotshot American pilots.
So the guys flying F-4s in the Vietnam War are told they have to have visually ID MiGs over North Vietnam.
That's crazy!
I mean, a plane is coming at you at Mach 2 out of a North Vietnamese Air Force base.
You don't need to ID it as a MiG-21.
It's a MiG-21.
It's got to be a MiG-21.
It's not going to be anything else.
So you can, you know, fire a shot at it beyond visual range.
I mean, the Americans had excellent...
Excellent air-to-air missiles in the Vietnam War, but they weren't allowed to use them until they got up close, negating the advantage of the American aircraft.
I think there was something completely, some other agenda there that had nothing to do with what was going on on the ground.
Oh, there were all sorts of agendas over the Vietnam War.
The German agenda was to make sure the Americans lost.
I once congratulated a very nice Luftwaffe general on the two B-52s he shot down over Hanoi.
He nearly fell over.
Particularly since the RAF Chief of the Air Staff happened to be at the same drinkies.
But weren't you...
He looked at me as though I was making it up, and I explained to him, no, this very nice general was flying MiG-21s in the Vietnam War for the North Vietnamese.
But weren't you actually in the military?
Briefly in the University Air Squadron.
My military career was very undistinguished.
I see.
But I flew a British Aerospace Bulldog and didn't crash it.
I did my first solo.
That was my one achievement.
I was very proud at the time.
It was nice to do my first solo.
Your first solo is a big event.
Yes.
I think you talk about that in your book.
What I want to ask you, though, we haven't really talked about this, but what about your parents?
My father was a fighter pilot.
Your father was a fighter pilot.
Lovely man.
Was he in the RAF? Oh, yes.
He was a Royal Air Force fighter pilot.
He flew Hawker Hunters, Gloucester Meteors, De Havilland Vampires, proper aeroplanes.
And what about your mother?
She was an RAF nurse.
That's how they met.
They met in RAF Germany.
Mum was a nurse, Dad was a pilot.
One of Dad's pilots, mates got injured in a crash.
Mum was looking after Dad's mate and Dad went to visit his mate and then ended up visiting Mum rather than his mate.
Then they married.
So it was a love story out of RAF Germany, a Cold War love story.
Right.
Dad was a hot shot fighter jock.
Did you go to Oxford, Cambridge?
No, thank goodness.
I might have ended up being recruited by German intelligence.
They probably would have targeted me.
No, they're full of spies.
No, I went to the Red Law at the University of Wales.
The University of Queensland in St Lucia, Brisbane and the University of Wales.
Neither of which has a large German intelligence presence.
Thank goodness.
But you are, I think, you have quite a reputation as a barrister.
That you really don't let things slide and that you're very, very...
On your cases.
I try to provide a professional service to my clients.
And describe some of your cases.
Yes, indeed.
I love the bar and I look forward to resuming practice when I get these convictions set aside.
Yes.
So yeah, I intend to go back to the bar.
Very good.
Absolutely.
And I'm still doing legal work.
I don't need a wig for tribunals.
So I can do tribunals, immigration tribunals, for example.
I can do small claims cases.
Right now you can.
Absolutely, yes.
And I appeared in the High Court.
You're an expert on that.
I'm an expert on immigration and I can do immigration tribunals.
I did one recently in Birmingham.
I do...
I appeared at the High Court a couple of months ago in front of a judge who I knew who granted me leave to appear.
I needed leave because I'm suspended.
He knows I'm suspended.
I say, I'm suspended.
Can I have leave?
You need to go out to be leave.
You know, I was interrogated at the airport when I came to this country this time.
Oh.
Yeah.
And I actually think the guy pushed the limits of his...
what is even legal.
Well, very possibly.
You know, there was huge lines in the queue, and yet he kept me standing at his station for a good half hour to cross-examine me about everything from my financial background to how much I made, to how much I had...
Is this after this interview was arranged?
Was this an entry into the UK after this interview was arranged?
Yes.
I'm sure it's because of you.
Might be.
Actually, no offence.
It's probably.
Yes.
It's trying to intimidate me or something.
Yeah, it could well be, because that's ridiculous.
You're a US citizen.
We're supposed to be allies, God forbid.
We are allies.
Well, what happens?
It sounds like a bad faith interrogation.
At home, I'm not going to say how much I make, but I'm not destitute.
I am supported by donations.
Well, that's fine.
That's what I'm going to do.
But you're not clear to claim benefits.
You're not going to overstay your visa.
I'm here for 21 days in Christmas.
That's ludicrous.
It's extraordinary.
Stamp your passport.
And then he even walked me into this little pen area where he made me sit while they checked my references or something.
Oh, that's just nonsense.
That's nonsense on stilt.
There's no way you could have refused to enter.
You'd have won an appeal.
I always refused a visa when I visited the States.
Somebody wanted me to give expert evidence in the New York State Supreme Court about President Obama's birth in Mombasa.
Oh, really?
And then all of a sudden the CIA get involved and I refuse to visa on the grounds that I'm not a genuine visitor.
Like, I haven't complied immaculately, you know, rigorously with the terms of every...
Well, since we're on the subject, so Obama was born in Mombasa.
He was born in Mombasa, yeah.
Maybe.
It might be just slightly to the north of Mombasa, but the Mombasa area.
He's a Kenyan citizen.
He's not an American citizen.
He's not related to his acclaimed mother, thanks to the DNA test, which was done on my advice.
Because I knew DNA. There's some question as to who his real father is as well.
Ah, that's tricky.
That, I think, is misinformation.
The CIA were putting around Malcolm X. They had another black American actor.
No, this is actually a white American, I was told.
Oh, yeah, I'm very wary.
I have no reason to doubt that Obama's father was Barack Obama Sr.
I think those who know the truth, who realize the problems with a mother, have been fed false intelligence for at least eight years.
The CIA, I know, were pushing Malcolm X. They pushed Malcolm X, and they were pushing somebody else.
They were just ludicrous.
There was no way in the world these guys were Obama's father.
What they were doing was a classic German tactic, feed false intelligence, false flag it through an American, so people think they're talking to the CIA, but they're really talking to the DVD, and damage the credibility.
That's the question.
So, Obama, is he a DVD asset?
Well, tricky for me to say, sir, the English laws of libel probably prevent me from expressing an opinion.
You know who Jordan Maxwell is?
The name rings a vague bell.
He's a wonderful researcher, and he's very highly regarded.
In fact, he's been invited.
To come free of charge and live in certain countries.
He's sort of a very erudite investigator into symbolism, Illuminati symbolism, you name it, all through the centuries.
And he made a big point of talking about how Obama Made a key speech in Germany.
Brandenburg Gate.
Brandenburg Gate.
In Berlin.
Yes.
It's very pretty.
That it symbolized.
Very impressive.
But it was symbolizing an association with Germany.
Yes.
So we can go that far.
We can go that far, yes.
Right.
But I couldn't go any further.
Fair enough.
He might think that.
I couldn't possibly comment.
Okay.
That's fine.
So, at this moment, I'm trying to think...
Oh, Titanic, so can we...
Oh, the Titanic, yes.
Well, that was a setup.
Right.
The keys to understanding the Titanic are, firstly, that the Titanic had two radio sets.
I mean, she was the biggest ship in the world, the ocean liner, the very latest.
Obviously, she had the very latest in radio gear.
She had two radio sets.
That meant two different frequencies.
She had an emergency set, which broadcast on a different frequency to the main set.
Right.
So, up till me, all the published historians had only ever concentrated on one set of radio messages.
But there are two sets of radio messages.
How did you find that?
Interception of communications is an area where friends of mine specialize.
I found out that the US Navy had intercept.
The US Navy were very up to the minute on wireless.
The US Navy had wireless intercept stations before 1912.
The US Navy intercepted the communications on the emergency network.
They included a German warship that was out there that night, a German collier which rescued a German tanker.
She was a coal-fired tanker which ran out of coal.
She was there supporting the German warship, which was setting up the whole thing and made sure the iceberg was in the right location.
Because in order for Murdoch to hit the iceberg, you had to know where the iceberg was.
So the German warship had to send via the Marconi officers on board the Titanic who were working for the Germans, Bride and Phillips.
They had to be told where the iceberg was so that Murdoch could hit it.
There was a German warship by the iceberg.
German warship is sending messages on the emergency frequency.
Unbeknownst to the Germans, U.S. naval technology is more advanced than they credit the Americans with, and these calls are intercepted.
President Taft then orders two U.S. Chester-class light cruisers to be sortie'd out of Boston, from memory, and historians have understood that the cruisers sortie To search for the Titanic survivors, what they didn't understand was that Taft's original intention was to sink the German warship and save the Titanic.
The American cruiser squadron left port not to rescue the survivors of the ship that had sunk, but to stop the ship being sunk in the first place.
Their job was to go out and have a gunnery duel with the bad guys.
I think what President Taft had in mind was a gunnery duel between the good guys, you guys.
Right, but what happened?
Ah, hideous complications.
Firstly, Taft gets hauled off, because there are German assets, remember, in the White House.
So Taft gets hauled off.
The cruisers are late getting out of port.
One of the things historians don't understand, they look at these cruisers, they assume that a 1912 steam-powered cruiser is like a modern gas-turbine-powered Diconder area class.
You know, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer.
You don't just turn the key and wait five minutes and then you've got power.
A steam-powered warship, you have to build steam.
Steam warships require steam.
You require hours and hours of notice for steam.
It was perfectly clear that the two light cruisers had been ordered to depart at least six hours before they sailed.
And the orders to depart had come from the White House, and the orders to depart were before the Titanic struck the berg.
Wow.
So TAF knew in advance the Titanic is going to hit an iceberg.
So you guys are sending two ships out there to stop this nonsense.
But of course the intercept, the cruisers only had a top speed probably about 25 knots.
They were never going to make it.
Right.
Sadly.
I mean, they did their best, but they got there the morning after.
The end of the day, reading your book and getting all of the details, we don't have time for it, and we do have to wrap this up because it's been going, I think, longer than we're supposed to, but nonetheless...
You've done well to bring me out of my shell.
Oh, it's been fabulous.
But I do want to just wrap that up in sort of one sentence, which is to say that, in essence, It was the German secret intelligence.
Yes.
It was an operation.
It was an operation.
German naval intelligence arranging to sink the Titanic.
And why?
Was it to get rid of the bankers?
To get rid of the bankers.
They'd funneled all the key opponents to German takeover of the Federal Reserve.
Well, the Germans wanted to fund World War I. So they're planning World War I in 1912.
They're planning World War I at the end of the 19th century.
The Germans are planning a World War.
So our community partner, the Hun, wants to start a World War.
He needs to bankroll it.
So he needs trading programs.
In order to do that, he's got the Chinese gold, but he needs U.S. companies to buy medium-term notes, which are denominated in dollars.
They're $100 million notes.
So he needs control of U.S. foreign exchange, if he can get it.
Because if he doesn't have control, Somebody in the Treasury Department is going to notice, you know, what's happening offshore with all these dollars.
So he needs...
Here's a requirement to move dollars offshore.
They come up with a bright...
John Piermont Morgan comes up with a bright idea.
He owns the Titanic.
Let's...
Set up a Federal Reserve Bank.
Let's control it, and then we can control medium-term note trading.
And the good guys, Strauss and the others on the ship, understood this.
Aster, they were opposed to it.
They were opposed to setting up the Federal Reserve.
They knew it was going to be under German control.
They knew about trading programs.
Three, Guggenheim, Strauss, and Aster, are all taken down.
And it looks like an accident.
So they're making it look like an accident.
And they're doing something that's called funneling.
It's an intelligence technique.
You're funneling your targets into one ship or aircraft or car.
You've got...
Instead of having...
If they'd knocked them off...
Yeah, exactly.
You want to eliminate a series of assets.
They're all in the same place at the same time.
So they're all being funneled.
To a rendezvous in the North Atlantic in April.
There's an element of that in World Trade Center, yeah.
So, I know I have to close this down.
I do want to ask you, because...
Trading programs, by the way, were run out of World...
There was a trading operation run out of World Trade Center.
So, all the evidence is gone.
A lot of the evidence is gone, yes.
That did America a lot of harm.
There was significant offshore economic activity being run out of the World Trade Center, whiteout economic activity.
The Germans knew what they were doing when they gave Al-Qaeda the Twin Towers to attack.
Right.
So, you've heard of the RV. Recreational vehicle.
No, the reserve.
I don't even know what to say.
There's this whole thing about currencies being revalued.
Oh, yes, we're not talking about those.
The currency revaluation.
Yes.
It's sort of a racket, you know what I mean?
There's a lot of nonsense being talked about it.
Do you know the current state of the financial condition of the...
Of what's going down right now, because you sound like you're pretty astute in that area.
It's kind of to say I'm astute, but I'm a little out of the loop on that.
I'm not sure of the latest developments.
I do know there's a lot of disinformation that's being fed.
I do know that the euro was underpinned by a huge, huge stockpile of stolen currency, which was last heard of sitting in New York.
Which the Germans stole out of Switzerland, moved into Frankfurt, then it did a currency swap and it was moved into New York in dollars.
That was traded, and the profits of the trading operation out of that huge fund sitting in New York have been underpinning the euro, because the Germans support the euro offshore.
Right, and you consider the European Union to be a German sort of creation.
Absolutely, yes.
Of course it is, yes.
A way of controlling Europe in Germany.
Absolutely, yes.
And so Brexit, though.
Brexit's interesting because it also has to do with, well, I was told at the very top that they actually wanted Brexit to happen, and so it did.
That it wasn't just the people went to the polls and everything wonderful happened.
No, the Jerry's were very upset about Brexit.
They still are.
They definitely didn't want Britain to leave.
Britain leaving threatens a breakup of the European Union.
Yes.
The European Union is a mechanism of control.
So do you feel that with Theresa May at the head...
That this Brexit thing will hold?
Oh, it will hold, yeah.
Politically, she is boxed in with the 31st of March as a deadline, so the Article 15 will be served, will be out of the EU by end of March 2019.
Okay, but what about the German assets that are running your government?
Well, they're not necessarily running the government.
The cabinet office are heavily penetrated.
They're running your intelligence services.
Again, it's complicated.
It's infiltrated.
They're infiltrated.
The cabinet office and intelligence services are infiltrated, but the names of some of the top German agents have been...
Some have been removed.
You're allowed to remain in place.
Some have been allowed to remain in place so that we find out.
We're dealing with Operation Intelligence Matters where I can only make public comment.
Yes, sure.
And I've obviously had a small hand in identifying some of the German assets.
One of the few good things to come out of my arrest, apart from helping a lot of prisoners with their legal problems, and six months rest for me, you know, an opportunity to catch up with my reading, one of the few good things to come out of, and loss of weight, so it improved my health once I was allowed to see a doctor.
One of the few good things to come out of my prosecution imprisonment, it did blow a number of German assets in the Cabinet Office.
So it allowed the top German agent in the Cabinet Office to be identified.
The asset is in place but has been neutralized.
Okay, let me ask you this.
And other assets were identified in the cabinet office.
This gets to the key, and then we really are going to close this down.
This gets into the key reason that you were arrested in the first place.
It wasn't because of the intelligence you were giving them, obviously.
It had to be something maybe even that you'd done in the past, payback, or something that they wanted to shut you up for that you were about to release.
Oh, there was...
It was done...
I was arrested so they could get the weapon out of the country.
They definitely wanted payback.
Right.
Because I had exposed the DVD. So the publication of Spy Hunter was definitely...
Clearly it was an element of retaliation for that.
They were clearly having to shut me up because I've done them a lot of damage and they were worried about me doing them more damage.
And here we are.
And here we are.
And they were trying to discredit me, so yes.
And also there was a plan to assassinate me.
The theory was that they'd have Al-Qaeda, a lot of Muslims in British jails, a lot of Muslim radicals.
Apparently I was going to be sent to a jail on the Isle of Wight called Parkhurst where there was a Muslim radical and MI5 found out about it and they arranged for the officers to raid his cell and they found an ISIS flag in his cell and apparently I was going to be the cabinet officer who controlled the prison service were going to send me instead of Wandsworth I was going to go down to Parkhurst.
And I was getting whacked in Parkhurst.
So there was a plan to assassinate me, which obviously didn't work, because I'm still here.
The bad guy's cell got raided and Al-Qaeda were down...
ISIS and Daesh were down one asset in the British prison system.
Okay, but these people are offended by Saudi Arabia.
Daesh have links to Saudi, absolutely.
The Germans have links to Saudi.
Remember, the Saudis make most of the money through offshore high-yield trading programs.
That gives Frankfurt and Dachau a huge leverage.
What about Turkey?
What about their role in that?
That's interesting.
Isn't it?
Yes.
That's fascinating.
There's a huge battle.
There's a huge battle going on for control of Turkey between the white hats and the black hats.
Yes.
Involving a coup.
The CIA. Well, they've threatened the arrogant ones.
And then he kind of come to heel and send his troops into Syria for them.
Yeah, Erdogan, Putin is trying to get Erdogan on side.
The coup, which had a little bit of CIA involvement, failed because it was obviously betrayed.
Right.
Erdogan is close.
The Germans back Erdogan.
The Germans made sure the coup failed.
Various good guys, white hats, were involved in the coup.
Erdogan has been able to consolidate his position in Turkey, which is good news for Germany.
But the Russians know what's been going on, and the Russians have got a hold over Erdogan.
Really?
Yes.
Well, it seems like he's kind of playing both sides.
Yeah, the Russians know about the DVD. The Russians discovered the DVD in the early 1950s.
Okay, what about Putin?
He's a what?
He's a good man.
Never met him, but he's a good man, from all I'm told.
We have a number of mutual friends.
I was invited into...
The President's Administration of Moscow, my one and only visit there, treated very nicely, given a car with a flashing blue light to get back to my hotel.
The service of the hotel went up exponentially.
If you're on good, I mean, I was staying at the Bolchinki, the Balchog Kempinski, the Balchog.
Kempinski is the name of the group, isn't it?
The Bolchuk is the hotel.
It's by the Moscow River, opposite the Kremlin.
Lovely hotel.
Now, the service there is very good.
It's an excellent hotel, five-star hotel, lovely service.
But when I was returned to the hotel in an official BMW with a flashing blue light that had just...
Driven through a red light and cut across a lane of traffic.
Screech to halt.
Almost literally screech to halt in front of the hotel.
An FSB driver packing a mackerel gets out and holds the door open for me.
And after that you retreated.
The service went, it was even better.
I was training out of Moscow the following morning.
I was on the Moscow Express to Berlin.
I was at a lunch meeting.
I was setting up a lunch meeting with Marcus Wolff.
There are various other reasons.
I had some intelligence business to transact en route.
And I am a train lover.
I love trains.
And this British Airways club class is crap.
So I didn't particularly want to fly a BA. Did you ever go to the Midnight Express?
I went from Moscow to what do you call it?
Vladivostok.
No.
St.
Petersburg?
Yes.
No, haven't done that.
I've done Moscow to Brest-Litovsk and then through to East Berlin.
It was a lot of time.
Oh, Russian trains are great.
This train was marvellous, very comfortable and had a shower and a CD player and all the rest of it.
It was so back in the old century, you know.
It was like a Tsarist era.
It was Charlie.
Russian Road was very good, and the staff were excellent.
The food was nice food.
I was having a ball, and there were various intelligence agents, good and bad, on the train, keeping an eye on what I was up to.
I still like these old movies.
It's great.
Oh, it was like a film.
The prosecution couldn't believe this.
They actually denied that I'd been to Moscow because my visa records were very quietly deleted.
So the prosecution see a visa for Belarus in my passport, which they've seized.
They then deny, they then claim, Thames Valley Police, idiot Rosas, no offence intended, idiot Rosas say, oh, we've spoken to the Belarusian Ministry of the Interior and they have no record of you crossing the frontier at Brest-Litovsk.
Right.
I said, we don't believe you were on the train.
Well, I had a photograph of a train buffer.
Somebody had taken a photograph of me at Minsk Station.
I'm here at Minsk Station, Michael, in front of the Moscow Express.
Snow is falling.
I'm clearly in Belarusia.
Yeah, lovely.
End of collapse of Stout Party.
Sorry?
Collapses.
The police didn't understand intelligence.
See, rosters are thick.
They looked at the official records and said, well, officially, Michael never crossed the Brest-the-Tosk frontier on the Moscow Express.
Well, officially, I didn't, because I was on intelligence business in Moscow, and half the passengers on the train were probably working for one agency or another.
This was like a cold...
This was like the Avalanche Express.
It was an absolute hoot.
The Belarusian...
Frontier officials were gobsmacked when they realised he was on the train and my passport disappeared for hours.
You know, you had something to do with Spycatcher.
Oh yes, I defended the first guy who brought Spycatcher into England, yes.
Right, and that's something of an expert sort of rendition regarding intelligence matters.
Absolutely, it was written by AMI-5 intelligence officer Peter Wright, who was a friend of a friend of mine.
He knew Chapman Pinship.
Because I was going to ask you if you had consulted some people, some of the great, you know, spy writers.
Oh, yes.
Chapman Fincher.
Okay.
Oh, yes.
Chapman.
Peter Wright wrote Spy Hunter after Victor Rothschild, who was a German spy inside MI5, introduced Peter to Chapman.
Uh-huh.
Chapman is sadly no longer with us.
He died aged 100, was it last year?
Uh-huh.
He lived in Kintbury.
What a charming man, a real gent.
Fair enough, I like Chapman.
Not...
Oh, no, you have to be slightly careful.
For example, the chap who wrote Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy...
Right.
Is it Cornwall?
Jack Cornwall, the...
I can't remember, but I was actually going to watch the movie again, actually.
Great spy novels, very good films, but he is too close to MI6, too, like me, so he doesn't have my opinion of me.
Oh, really?
Nigel West, lovely man.
Rupert Allison is his real name.
Right.
Ex-Tory MP, very nice chap.
He turned up at my trial.
Really?
Oh, yes.
Of course I did.
Well, you must have had some interesting observers at your trial.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Gerry Corsi was there.
Look, at least three intelligence agencies had people covering for them at the trial.
The prosecution is saying, Michael Schroeder, there's nothing to do with the world of intelligence.
There are guys sitting in the back who are reporting to CIA and MI6 and MI5. The jury is being tampered with by German intelligence.
Oh, dear me.
Phone calls are being monitored.
The police had no idea what was going on.
They had no idea what they got themselves into.
Yes.
They didn't know who I was.
Yes.
There's a theory going around now that I represented myself because there was some deep intelligence reason behind my representing myself.
Actually, no, I couldn't afford to instruct a barrister and I was earning too much for legal aid, so I didn't have the option but to represent myself.
Well, you're certainly equipped to do so.
There was an element to setting the prosecution up.
I knew the whole trial was a phony.
I knew I was being sold down the river.
I did lay a very careful trap for the prosecution, which they fell into, which they now know they've fallen into, so I can talk about it.
The prosecution were lying through their teeth.
It's very difficult, but if you've got somebody who's lying about you, sometimes it helps just to lead them on To let them lie about you a bit more, and you can't, with admissible evidence, show that lie A is a lie, but if you get them to exaggerate and then add B to A and C to B, at some point they're going to have...
So basically it gave the prosecution enough rope.
Now the judge didn't know what on earth I was doing, cross-examining in a lying statement about the FBI who allegedly said I was...
Borderline insane, and what did they describe me?
The prosecution said I was borderline insane, according to the FBI, and I was a conspiracy theorist.
That wasn't the exact language, but it was along those lines.
Now, the FBI had never made those claims about me.
I knew the FBI hadn't said that.
But I knew these people are liars.
They are lying through their teeth.
So I'll just give them a bit of rope, and they'll just hang themselves.
So, yeah, they tell the jury, oh, according to the FBI, Mr.
Shrimpton is a fantasist.
That was it.
Mr.
Shrimpton is a fantasist, and he's borderline insane.
And this comes from the FBI, and the jury are lapping this up, and I'm letting this all in.
And the judge is, Mr.
Shrimpton, why are you cross-examining this in?
I don't know.
I have my reasons.
And the prosecution are wondering, why is he letting this stuff go to the jury?
Well, I was letting it go to the jury because I knew these boys were going to lie.
I gave them the opportunity to lie about me even more.
They couldn't resist the opportunity to put the boot in.
And of course, we then set in trade an FBI investigation.
Of course, the FBI concluded there is no FBI agent as claimed by the prosecution.
We have never made these claims.
I'm a human intelligence source for the FBI. I like the FBI. I often have disagreements with the FBI, but the Fibis and I, you know, courteous dealings.
And I've been invited into field offices.
I've had meetings of field agents, FBI field agents, carrying guns and badges in dark corners of car parks, you know, passing intelligence about American traitors who are working for the DVD. I've been setting up, the FBI set up wiretaps on one traitor as a result of intelligence that came from me.
The Germans know this.
And that traitor led them on to a whole...
But if you give the FBI one traitor, put a wiretap on, then they're going to get three or four, you know, because Mr.
X rings in and Mr.
Y rings in and Ms.
Z rings in.
Oh, I didn't know they were working for the Germans.
And this is all set up through the Washington field office.
Well, it seems like somebody should be employing you rather than putting you in jail.
Well, that was my view.
Thank you for saying that.
Yes, I felt that a consultancy fee rather than Thames Valley should have been consulting me.
Now, since I've been released...
Another British police force has consulted me on an intelligence matter because not all our police forces are as dumb as Thames Valley Police.
The FBI then set and trained an investigation.
I'm obviously using this for my appeal.
Then Obama gets word of the FBI investigation.
He then tells Loretta Lynch, the American Attorney General, to shut down the FBI investigation.
The FBI investigation is then shut down on Loretta Lynch's orders.
I ring my contact in General Counsel's office.
Now, remember, the General Counsel of, I think from memory, was out of Lockheed Martin.
I think he'd previously been the General Counsel at Fort Worth for Lockheed.
So, you know, my name would have been known.
And I'm being treated very courtesy and very politely by General Counsel's office, and I'm dealing with a senior guy in the office.
And I ring and say, how's the investigation going?
We've been ordered to stop it.
Oh.
By whom?
Sir, I cannot say.
Would this be a Mr.
O in the White House?
Sir, I can neither comment nor deny.
I can neither deny the usual story.
I can't deny or affirm.
Sir, I just cannot comment.
And have you had a phone call from the Justice Department?
Sir, we have.
Who was that in justice?
Sir, I cannot give that information.
That is classified.
Would this be a Miss Loretta Lynch by any chance?
Sir, I can neither confirm nor deny that the instructions to cancel our investigation came from Miss Lynch.
Thank you.
It was the Attorney-General.
Now, I have passed word to the incoming Attorney-General, a very nice man, I gather.
I haven't met him yet.
Senator Sessions.
So I have alerted Senator Sessions to this misconduct by your current Attorney General.
Right.
The FBI investigation, I'm hoping, come January 20th or January 21st, will be back on track.
Well, one little thing.
I mean, I can't...
It's crazy, but, you know, I do want to wrap this up.
We're going to have you back on the show.
Listen, Trump has selected a Secretary of State who is a former head of, you know, Standard Oil or something like that.
ExxonMobil.
Right.
Yeah, Rick Stillison, a good man, for the sound of it, apparently.
Okay, but we're talking this oil, this whole...
Yeah, he's a good oil man.
He's a serious, serious player in the oil industry, and he knows President Putin.
Wonderful.
All right.
Couldn't be better.
Well, what's the...
Because this whole facade of oil, which is...
You do know about free energy and all of that?
I'm...
Yes, I'm a skeptic on free energy.
Oh, really?
I don't think anything comes for free.
Okay, let's say, you know, cold fusion, let's say ion-propelled...
Oh, I am propelled engines.
That's how we're going to get to Mars.
I am propelled engines.
Well, actually, it's already happened according to my witnesses.
There have been some very strange goings on in outer space, not all of which have made it to the front pages of the Washington Post.
Exactly.
So you are somewhat knowledgeable about this sort of thing.
I would like to think I'm not totally out of the loop, yes.
All right.
Yeah.
Iron engines are the way to go, and indeed...
And there is documentation now out about this that having been investigated...
Well, do you know anything about...
Mars is very odd.
What about Mars?
Some very strange things have been happening to Mars.
The probes have been going out to Mars and every probe that goes to Mars gets shot down or crashes into the...
Yeah, I mean, there might have been...
Goodness knows.
Something odd is happening.
There's something odd going on.
It's nothing to do with aliens.
Yes.
Might be something to do with Germans.
Well, okay.
I'm keen to get out to Mars.
I do know the Jerry's are desperate to stop us going to Mars, so I want to get there.
Hmm.
I just...
Say nothing of the moon.
Well, yeah.
Now we've been to the moon.
No, but I mean, they're also desperate to keep us off the moon.
They were desperate to scrap the Apollo program.
Absolutely.
They were sabotaging.
They tried to stop it.
Yes.
Bill was involved in encountering that.
There's a huge move to stop Apollo.
He's going to know William Tompkins.
I would think he probably does, yes.
Yeah.
Very well.
Look, we're going to wrap this up.
Well, it's been a pleasure to be on the show and be delighted to come back if you're willing to have me again.
I would definitely do that.
You've done extremely well to bring me out of my shell.
Excellent.
Listen, I want to thank you for your service to humanity.
That's very kind of you to put it that way.
Absolutely.
Thank you for watching and we will definitely revisit Thank you very much.
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