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May 14, 2016 - Project Camelot
01:22:56
LAURIE MCDONALD - ABDUCTIONS - SOUND EDITED
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Thank you.
Thank you.
She works with abductees, and I'd like to welcome you, Lori.
I'm going to do a short bio that you sent me for everyone, but I'm just going to bring you on the screen so people can see your face as I read your bio.
Okay.
Hello everyone.
Hi everyone in Camelot.
Okay, great.
So, basically, I'm just in another country right now, so everything's a little bit jumbled.
But to start out with, Lori is a clinical hypnotherapist, and she has an organization called True You Hypnotherapy.
She's the winner of the Sacramento's Best of Hypnotherapist for three years running and the founder of the Sacramento Alien Abduction and Contactee Support Group, one of California's largest UFO and abduction group meetings.
She is one of 27 listed on the MUFON Mental Health Referral for Regression Hypnotherapy for Alien Abduction and is a consultant to the Research Committee for FREE, the Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters, the Edgar Mitchell Foundation for Research into Extraterrestrial Encounters, and is a member of the Board of Directors for the Organization of Understanding and Support.
Lori has facilitated a number of experiencer events and is a lifelong experiencer herself.
So, So, a very nice bio there, and welcome, Lori, and it's lovely to have you on the show.
Thank you so much, Carrie, for having me.
It's great to be here.
Absolutely, and we do have a funny synchronicity that we talked about, which is, you have a sister with my name, spelled exactly the same as mine, and I have a sister with your name, Lori, and it's spelled exactly the same as yours.
So there you go.
Wow.
A funny synchronicity.
So, would you please give yourself a more in-depth bio for us?
Tell us about how you got into this field and maybe some of your early experiencers.
I've been a clinical hypnotherapist for over 20 years, but I started having experiences, I would say, at a very young age.
At first I wasn't convinced that they were extraterrestrial because I didn't know the difference between anomalous or paranormal or extraterrestrial activity.
But at first I just felt that I could sense entities And then I did start to see energetic beings, but it wasn't really until I was in my 20s that I had a profound life-altering experience with actually the Grey extraterrestrials.
You started having experiences with Greys yourself?
Yep.
Okay.
Yeah, absolutely.
Okay, so did that lead you to becoming a hypnotherapist, or what was the connection eventually?
It's very interesting.
I mean, when I had had some experiences, I was definitely interested in the subject, but I wasn't planning on being a regression therapist.
I finished my school in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and I needed to do an exam to pass my test, and I had to regress somebody live in front of four judges.
And as I was doing it, All of a sudden, I had counted him down.
He was under.
And then all of a sudden, his line of thought changed and he could see a UFO. He and his brother started to approach the UFO. I began to ask what it looked like because I moved right into it.
And in that moment, a ball of Energy about the size of a tennis ball appeared around his forehead and went sliding down his body and disappeared.
I was in the middle of a test.
I looked over my shoulder at the judges.
My mouth was wide open and I wanted to make sure that they saw what I saw and they were nodding and motioning me to continue because I had him regressed when I started to question him again in that line of seeing the UFO blank.
Nothing.
So, all of a sudden, everybody started coming to me with their experiences, and it snowballed.
What an interesting beginning.
Yeah, it's like I had no choice, really.
I feel like I didn't have a choice.
In retrospect, when I look back, I see either a divine intervention or a calculated manipulation.
Okay, fair enough.
So, growing up, you had ET abduction experiences yourself.
Can you describe some of them?
Well, I had missing time experiences when I was young.
And I do remember one time walking.
We were supposed to be sleeping in the backyard in a little pup tent.
And there was a carnival in town.
And so my siblings and I decided to walk to the park where the carnival was.
We all separated.
And I remember being motioned over by...
A strange looking thing and as I got closer to it, it did look similar to what we would consider a gray ET. I followed them and then next thing you know I didn't know where I was.
I felt like I was underground to tell you the truth.
That was the feeling that I had and there were gray extraterrestrials and they were holding A sphere of orange pulsating light, and they handed it to me.
They were hardly any taller than I, and I was about to seven.
And so I took it, and when I took it, it started to change colors.
And I could feel in my whole body, I was so confused because it felt alive.
It felt like I was holding something alive and I handed it back and I don't remember after that what happened except finding myself back in the carnival later and my brothers looking for me.
Wow.
As far as when you were young and And sleeping at night, did you also have sort of memories of abductions during the nights as time went on?
Not mine.
I saw my brother being abducted one night.
I was about to seven or eight.
And for some reason, I... I was born and raised in Canada, and it was wintertime, and I looked out the window, and I saw my brother being literally led down our driveway by two extraterrestrials.
And what struck me, not that there were extraterrestrials, but that he wasn't dressed appropriately for the weather, because as a Canadian, you know, we drill up all the time about hypothermia and stuff like that.
So I was about to yell out the window and from behind me there was this sort of indigo violet glow of the outline of an entity and they told me step away from the window.
I took one giant step back away from the window and felt instantly at peace and protected.
I know they were protecting me.
So you saw your brother being abducted.
What about yourself as time went on?
Did this continue?
Well, when I was in my mid-20s, I had a horrific extraterrestrial experience with the greys.
There were two that had come out of nowhere as I had just gotten to my bedroom.
And again, the same experience.
Energy that I had felt as a child to the side of me kept calling my name.
And when I looked to them, they told me, focus and control.
When I turned my energy back to where the greys were, I was 100% lucid and totally aware that I was conscious and awake and in the presence of two extraterrestrials.
And in fact, I felt psychologically prepared to handle such an encounter.
However, I said to them, you're hurting me.
This hurts.
And there was just the slightest tilt of their heads towards each other, and I could sense that they said something wrong.
And within a moment, like there was a white flash, and then a third, taller gray appeared.
He approached me with what looked like a chopstick, the length of a needle about the size of a chopstick.
As he approached me, his hands weirded me out, and I became terrified.
I lost my focus and my control, and I kicked and started fighting.
And I fought until I whited out.
And when I came to, I had torn all of the abdominal muscles in my lower left stomach and had to have a surgery with a mesh plate put in to hold the muscles and I herniated them.
That's incredible.
So how old were you when you had such a lucid experience?
I was married with two children.
I was 29.
Okay, and you were in Canada at the time?
No, they had already immigrated to the United States.
Okay.
To California.
Alright, very interesting.
So when did you decide to get into hypnotherapy?
Well, I've always been intrigued with the mind.
I remember hearing something when I was almost two about mind over matter and I completely understood what that meant.
And so I always knew that the mind was the most powerful.
I've always been inclined, really, to help people because they just seemed so helpless.
And they seemed like they needed some type of major help, like as if the planet is sick, in a way.
I feel like a sickness among the people, among the planet herself.
It's like we need to self-correct and heal.
So the quickest, most effective way to healing of both the mind and the body is through hypnosis.
Bypassing the conscious mind, moving into the subconscious, reprogramming for our desired state.
The mind controls the body and the body obeys.
It was efficient.
It was what?
Just efficient.
It's the most efficient, fastest therapy.
Okay, and I understand that.
You actually were one of the regression hypnotists on Joseph Cerletti, I believe.
Yes.
And that's how we got in contact.
So can you talk a little bit about that case and what sort of how you got in touch with Joseph and what your sort of experience was, if you don't mind?
Well, he had contacted me.
I think he had seen another TV show or something.
And he's not too far away from Sacramento, where I am.
True hypnotherapy is the name of my business.
And I guess he found me.
So he came and told me his story of his missing time.
And I found it, of course, very interesting.
He seems like a very credible young man.
And he's been perplexed by the issue until he could move into the memory Retrieve the rest of it and then later collaborate it with his friend.
That validation really helps.
It's not always necessary, but it is helpful for people trying to adjust to the reality that extraterrestrials exist and they can interfere in our lives, manipulate our brainwaves by either implanting a false memory or creating a distortion of time.
We're creating a dream state and making us become compliant so that we go willingly with them, thinking we're just dreaming.
So Joe had a good story and very unusual that the car ended up in such a strange place.
They drove or had no recollection of getting from point A to B and it was quite some distance.
Right.
It has a missing time element.
So missing time is a really fascinating dynamic.
Have you come across this a lot in your work?
And what was your reaction to his missing time?
Well...
Missing time is quite common in the abduction phenomena.
You know, in the abductions, it's interesting, you know, they're obviously changing.
Very few of them, I mean, when I was in my 20s, that was a long time ago, 53 now, and a grandmother.
So the kids are growing and have lives of their own.
So, yeah, missing time definitely changes.
It's a commonality among experiencers, but it just shows that the memory is being manipulated, blocked.
You know, the time isn't missing.
It's just they weren't here for it.
They were elsewhere.
So it's a technique, in theory, it's a technique that greys use, I think in part, to To make the abduction possible, even.
Yeah, not just the grays.
Lots of extraterrestrials use that, as well as a technology called psychotronics, which can send a wave and manipulate your brain waves.
Right now, you and I are speaking in the beta conscious brain, but if you move into between, say, the alpha and the theta brain wave, the person becomes compliant.
The dream state has been slowed down even further and we're easily manipulated.
And they can simulate that.
Being in their presence, the mantis can do it through just staring at you.
But technology right here on this planet can also do that.
Psychotronics and radio-onics have the ability to manipulate our brain waves, hence the mind control we have.
So are you familiar with mind control?
It sounds like you've studied quite a bit.
You have sort of your head of certain associations and all of that.
Well, yeah.
So can you get into the aspects of mind control in your work, and can you talk about that?
Right.
I mean, we see...
Different layers of mind control all over the place.
I'm absolutely into the mind on all levels, and I'm not just a certified clinical hypnotherapist.
I am an extraterrestrial researcher and profiler.
So for the thousands of first-hand eyewitness cases that I've taken, What I want to do is psychologically profile the extraterrestrials involved so that when we do find ourselves with that face-to-face, eye-to-eye contact, we know how to behave and we know how to anticipate their behavior, therefore blocking whatever we don't want.
There has to be compliance.
We need to comply to go along, but they trick us into that.
But if we can maintain Our rights, our human rights of non-interference and tell them no Then you can stop an abduction.
So there, yeah, as a researcher, we get all kinds of information, especially on mind control.
Just studying psychotronics and radionics myself.
One night I was upstairs here at my home office, and it was quite late.
I worked late often, maybe two or three in the morning.
And I was studying psychotronics and researching it.
Then all of a sudden...
A voice in my own head said, you have no business learning about psychotronics.
And it really impacted me.
It felt like it hit my head and my chest at the same time.
And I closed my laptop.
And started to walk away, got to my bed, laid down, and then sat up and thought, that's not my thought.
I would never think that.
That's not my thought, and I rejected it.
But I felt the manipulation, and I could actually feel energetically.
But, you know, they tried to look for a weakness.
And once, you know, they can't create things, but they can amplify any weakness that they might find.
So if I even had perhaps a moment of doubt of, hey, psychotronics can be quite complicated, that was it.
And they can move.
But I was lucky that I could catch it because, frankly, I know who I am.
And so I wouldn't think that and I can reject it.
That's very extraordinary that you would actually be able to catch the thought to figure out where it was coming from, at least in the sense of outside you, and then to handle it.
Have you found manipulation happening either to yourself or have you worked with people where they feel this is happening to them and they want tools to change and to be able to alter that?
Oh, Carrie, yes.
I work with people who are psychologically manipulated and put through terror through these abductions, or they're psychologically...
Again, terrorized, but they're told different things.
Something like, you're chosen.
You're special.
You have such good DNA and you're going to help our race.
Well, I can assure you there is no human among us that they're going to harvest genetics from and that human is going to save an entire extraterrestrial race.
Really?
I can't believe we buy this.
Or they'll convince a person by saying, you know, you agreed to this.
You made a sole agreement.
Listen, not a sole attorney, but if you don't have conscious recollection of an agreement, then you shouldn't be held to it on any level.
And I think it's just another way for them to move through the back door of our psychology to convince us to become a little bit more compliant.
And these, of course, extraterrestrials that I'm referring to They are the ones with the agenda.
They are the abductors.
They have their own reasons for doing what they're doing.
They're self-serving.
They don't care about us in the least bit.
And I'm not even sure if they're extraterrestrials.
In fact, some research indicates that the greys could possibly be jinn or demon.
based on their behavior they have a demonic force fair enough Now, I assume that you've dealt with people that are dealing with other beings as well.
And some of these other beings are more positive, what we call service to others.
And some of them actually have, you know, like reptilians, for example.
At least some reptilians have a more negative service to self agenda as well.
So in your experiences, are you coming across other beings besides the greys who are also trying to manipulate humans, mind control them, and so on?
Well, frankly, any extraterrestrial that is interacting with a human being that doesn't have our express permission is interfering.
There is a protocol that must be followed so that we can determine which race we want to communicate with.
This is not an extraterrestrial experience.
This is a human experience.
They're coming to us.
But the mantis, the tall, gray, the whites, the blues, all of them are agenda-oriented, whether it's a hybridization or the reptilians, the warring, mongering ones trying to manipulate people.
If you have a contact with an extraterrestrial and they're showing you something like a weapon, you don't want anything to do with a race like that.
What we're looking for are the higher consciousness.
In fact, Carrie, all of the UFO phenomena, even though I'm a researcher, an experiencer, I say is simply just a reality check.
The reality is they exist.
The reality is we need to educate ourselves about them And level the playing field.
They are simply a catalyst to a consciousness expansion.
If we continue to go, is it this alien or this craft?
We're a dog chasing our tail and they're keeping us busy, busy work.
No.
We want to see what the agenda is and move on from that.
Move past that into a larger consciousness expansion.
So where we're choosing, where we're empowered, because the fact is, humans are divine beings.
And this is our world right now.
And it's up to us to do the best job without the interference.
And they don't care.
They'll move through our planet like locusts.
They're kind of like thieves in the night.
Not a good thing.
Okay.
And, you know, it's actually refreshing to hear you talk like this, I have to say.
So there are a lot of people out there that prefer to believe that the extraterrestrials, especially the more negatively oriented ones, are, you know, here for our benefit, even though you don't like it, all of this sort of thing.
And there's also the side that involves the military's deals with these races.
And they're not aware of.
Now in your regressions, you must have come across people that are abducted also in terms of my lab.
Absolutely.
Yeah, there are certainly the more difficult cases and it's really walking a risky line because as soon as we start calling out government agencies or black ops who Double abduct, you know.
But the thing is, you're right.
It was Eisenhower who allowed supposedly 250,000 Americans to be abducted.
That was the original agreement for the exchange of technology.
Most of those were generally enlisted military people so that they could be dual-tracked already.
So we're already dual-tracking them because they're already going to be a part of Some government check or medical facility for the rest of their lives because once you're enlisted, you're enlisted.
Veterans.
So we know that they went and took some of those original ones so that they could, of course, like a double agent, find out what they could about the extraterrestrials.
And, of course, Melinda Leslie is a very well-known MyLab abductee.
We're going to see her later this summer at Contact in the Desert at Joshua Tree.
And she's not alone.
There are many people who suffer from that and it can really cause psychological damage.
And this is what I say.
I say we have to really stand up for our rights and And try to create a stop the madness campaign with the governments that would allow such a thing for technology.
The thing too, though, is it makes it a little bit complicated.
All of the technology that we've received has been weaponized.
All of it.
When most of it can be used as either free energy or ways to cure the body, especially when you're looking at things like scalar waves and scalar energy.
These are healing tools, but they are also tools that can be used for mind control.
And that's the path we chose.
So we really have to ask who is weaponizing them and why.
This is not for the good of humanity.
No doubt about it.
So you're very well informed, which is great.
And so I can imagine that your areas of study were not only hypnotherapy, that you really seem to have specialized in this area of UFO abductions, of ET experiencers, and Contactees as well as possibly, you know, I don't know how much experience you're having with my labs, but, you know, this is interesting.
So why were you driven to investigate this?
Was it in part for yourself?
Did you have family members that also were experiencing these things?
Or was it your clients that drove you in this direction?
Carrie, I think it was my clients initially, and I've run some form of a UFO or experiencers group for many years.
But in the spring of 2014, now I know my mom is in Canada right now listening to this show, and so this is her story I'm going to share.
My mother was abducted during the process of her pregnancy with me.
She was told by the extraterrestrials that their interest was only in her baby.
Probably not the best thing to say to a pregnant woman to calm them down.
But the story goes, on the last time that she was abducted, She was sitting in the yard in a lounge chair, and out of nowhere, two entities appeared on either side of her.
Based on her description of them, I would think that they were Zeta.
Now, she said she kind of floated through the apple orchard where she felt a sense of time distortion as she moved.
And when it came sort of to where the center, where the tractors gather for harvesting, above that was a UFO. Instantly, she was upon the craft.
She recognized that her feet were cold.
She was brought onto a table which she described looked like an ironing board.
This is 1963 when there was wrinkles in clothes.
And...
I don't know how to iron.
So she said she went through all of the regular harvesting of genetics through ovum.
She said she heard a popping sound in her hat where she most likely was being implanted.
And an extraterrestrial walked behind her when she was laying down from behind her head, told her not to worry again.
They were just interested in the baby, baby, baby, baby.
Long story short, because I know you don't have all night, she was later found in the yard in labor.
And calling out and was eventually brought to the hospital where I was born.
Now, my mom wasn't able to keep me.
She didn't raise me for a number of different reasons.
I was not easy, I think.
I know I didn't feed well.
I didn't drink breast milk.
And cow's milk, really.
Still won't touch it.
I think I might have been the first soybean baby in Canada.
So there was problems with me eating and so forth.
And I'm sure it must have been very difficult for her to bond with me.
And she found that difficult.
So my mother didn't raise me ever.
No contact with her except for a few times, very short periods throughout my childhood that I hardly remember, frankly.
Sorry, Mom.
And then, like I said, in the spring of 2014, just two years ago, after not seeing her in decades, you know, who knows how long.
I've been in the United States for 28 years.
She called up and said she had saw something and she thought, it's time now for her to tell me the story of my birth.
And so I put her on speaker and called my husband over and we listened to it.
And it's not the first abduction story I heard, but it's certainly the one that will stand out in my mind because she was told not to tell her story, that they were going to put her in the psych ward.
My father told her to shut her down on it.
She never told anybody, Kiri.
She kept her secret for 50 years.
And I end up in my support group treating every woman was my mother.
Every woman who could never come forth and feel free to tell her story was my mother.
So, yeah, there's this huge coincidence or synchronicity that I devoted my adult life into helping experiencers through the trauma, into self-empowerment, into hopefully a larger consciousness expansion and understanding the world in which we live.
And so, you know, at the time I was just about to do the TV show Experiencers and they would send out an investigation team and do it.
And if the person needed regression, I was the specialist that they would come to.
So I called up the producer and said, you know, you got to talk to my mom and hear her story.
And they talked all summer long.
And you got to know her quite well.
And so then everything was getting arranged.
And I got a call from Canada.
And it was...
Her neighbor and they said the ambulance just took her to the hospital and that I better get to Canada really quick.
And she had suffered a major brain aneurysm followed by a stroke which left her incapable of forming sentences or speaking correctly.
Well, it was really hard to take.
And, you know, how is that even possible, right?
So I did go back, and my mom had the brain surgery.
And I don't think she knows this.
It might be the first time she hears it, and I know she's sitting down.
But they told me on the way in that she only had a 15% survival.
Chance of after surgery.
I was like, what?
They told me this as they're rolling her away.
The doctor came back and said, listen, you know, this isn't a sure thing at all.
We have about a 15% survival.
But she did survive.
And she's been in speech therapy.
And she is learning to structure her sentences and speak.
And this August...
At the Crowne Plaza here in Sacramento, I'm speaking and I'd like to fly my mom in and give her the opportunity to finally be free enough to speak her truth and tell her story.
Wow, that's an amazing story.
You know, really very, very impressive and kudos to your mother for enduring all those years of Of enforced secrecy and then also the experience of actually, I guess, having what may have been, we would call, even a psychotronic attack could have been the result of the injury to her that caused what happened.
You know, very, very brave of both of you, really, to go down this road to investigate and to reveal this.
I think that would be inspiring to anyone to hear that story.
So I hope you get a chance and I hope she gets a chance to share that story in her own words.
That would be really fascinating.
And, you know, if I can help anybody get that out there to a wider audience, even once it's done, you know, do let me know.
Well, you know, Carrie, I should get you in touch with the producer of this conference.
I'm sure they'd love to have you here in Sacramento at the Crowne Plaza reporting live.
Or speaking.
I know you're a speaker too, right?
Yes, yes.
I'm sure they'd love to have you speaking.
Thank you.
That's lovely.
So this is your mother.
Now, do you have any brothers and sisters?
I do.
And did they have any similar types of experiences like this?
Or are they open-minded to this?
Not quite sure.
You know, this is the thing.
I am much, much different than them.
Not anything at all like any of my family.
Not my brothers, sisters, my mom, my father.
I am uniquely myself.
Now, I do remember at one point a joint...
Missing time when we were at Algonquin Park in Ontario, Canada where my dad had taken us on a camping trip.
I remember all of us five kids following three other kids into the forest and we were just going to play which was weird because I would have rather played at the beach but we went into the forest with them and by the time we had come out everybody was in a panic and They had called the Ranger.
They had called up the Coast Guard.
They thought we may have drowned.
Every camper was looking for us, and boy, were we in trouble.
And so then they were like, well, where are the kids you went with?
And we're like, I don't know.
We didn't know, but we did get in trouble.
And justifiably, I'm saying right now on the record, because I'm sure that that was an abduction.
Oh, yeah.
It really feels like it.
Yeah.
Now, when was that?
How old were you at that time?
I think I was five, and my little sister would have been two, and my eldest brother would have been about 11.
So can you tell me whether you have family members or, you know, even grandparents or whatever in the military?
You know, they say abductions run in families.
Have you found that?
Well yes, they run in families for a very simple reason.
The grace and the abducting agenda line of extraterrestrials, in my opinion, are soulless.
I think they live about seven, eight, nine hundred, a thousand years old, and then they simply die.
I believe the hybridization process is for them to gain part of our essence, our soul, so that they can have eternal life like we have.
We only live to be about, you know, as long as a tree, okay?
We don't live that long on the planet, about 85 years or 100 years if we're lucky.
And the Greys live about a thousand years.
So they have to follow a family through multiple generations because they live so long.
And so they're just going through humans left and right because, you know, we only are here for 85 years.
And time now, time.
Time is...
Not measured the same where they're from.
We're in the third dimension.
Time is painstakingly slow here, but for a reason.
But where they are, time is different.
And so, yeah, the time is different.
Okay, yes.
And absolutely, I agree with you there.
In terms of the other kinds of beings, I think you mentioned praying mantis and some other...
You said the blues.
I'm not sure which group you're talking about there.
And you seem to be aware of the reptilians.
The abductees or the contactees that are coming to you, which beings are they tending to talk about the most?
Do you have, you know, any kind of records that you keep or any sense of that?
Yeah, I have this book coming out called The Extra-Trust Real Interference.
This is my rough draft.
And like I said, I am an abduction researcher as well.
So I create lists of commonalities and create the different experiences so that we can gain insight.
But of course, therapists also for the organization Free, who also compiles amazing information so that we can really get a scientific look at the phenomena.
What was the question again?
Okay.
Well, actually, that partially answers it, and it's very exciting.
I'd love to get a copy of your book and be notified so that we can let people know when the book comes out as well.
So, what I was kind of asking you was, what is the layout in terms of the types of beings that people are being interacted with and maybe the methods in which they're being interacted with?
When we see contact, they're either going to be interacting with a humanoid-looking entity that's taller, somewhat luminescent, maybe Pleiadian, perhaps Nordic, or what the descriptions go by.
And these are contactees who have the face-to-face contact.
They're in the presence of this entity.
They're taken upon a craft.
They have jobs.
They interact with them.
They're very integrated into this extraterrestrial life they have.
They feel they're reporting, they have missions, but then we have all of these other contactees who are saying they're receiving downloads of information, and that's coming telepathically, and the information is fast and Brilliant.
It's in HD. It's in super color.
It just rushes through them.
And they understand everything.
I do see that it takes them several weeks to months to psychologically balance the information.
But then again, how do we know that that's coming from an extraterrestrial?
They're getting a download.
How do we know where it's coming from?
Again, we have to follow the protocol and see if we can determine where they're coming from.
But we're seeing a lot of energetic beings that are appearing in the testimonies of people who are having experiences today.
The abductions with the greys, when I'm doing regressions, they happened in the 80s and in the early 90s.
Their experiences now are changing into different types of beings.
But we see striking differences among cultural and geographical descriptions of extraterrestrials From the witnesses, I mean, if they're in New Zealand, England, Australia, we're going to hear a lot about the Pleiadian, Nordic, top blonde, blue-eyed extraterrestrials.
If we're in South America, then they're going to be talking about a more creature-like thing.
Sort of Chupacabra or some type of Bigfoot.
Now, North America and parts of Mexico, we're still hearing, you know, grey stories.
So each locale around the planet has their own cultural way of describing the phenomena.
Asia, we hear about the djinn.
They're either referred to either as demons or as graves.
So it seems the description for the three are the same.
So as a researcher, we have to really be able to see, you know, where they're coming from, what filter they're looking through, so that we can, you know, move the filters and get just to the essence of the truth to really find out what's happening.
Because they can all shapeshift and manipulate physics as we know it.
And so they can appear however they want.
No doubt about it.
That is an interesting phenomena, in other words, that I've come across.
It is that I think that a lot of people, especially nowadays, are seeing things like tall blondes and Pleiadians, when in fact that might not be who they're really interacting with.
And I think there's an overlay, a screen memory.
So, I don't know if you have a technique in which to sort of dispel that screen memory or whether you work with your abductees even during hypnosis to try to pierce through or to ask the being to demonstrate who they really are and whether they're being deceived, that sort of thing.
Do you do anything like that?
Absolutely.
I don't trust anything.
I mean I don't trust any of it because you know we can't definitively know what's happening and so even you know during a session they may fully believe that say they're interacting with a Pleiadian.
I don't.
I don't believe it and so I try to ask specific questions that a Pleiadian should know like the Stuff about their star system or something that they can give and usually they can't come up with the answers and so we have to really Really look at it.
You know, sometimes demons pretend they're ETs.
That's happened maybe six times in the last several months during a session.
And they're saying that they're an ET, and then all of a sudden the ET gets angry with me, and it's not an ET at all.
Just another form of manipulation.
So the human being is a very...
Special being and all of these races from the hierarchy from the astral plane to the celestial plane and all of the extraterrestrial planes in between are coming to us.
They're coming to us for a reason.
And they have taken our power.
We have to have our personal power so we know our strength, but we're fooled into thinking that we are these beings with just five senses when in fact we have six.
And on the planet we are interpreting our world through five senses.
I say use all six, you're going to see a much bigger planet.
And that is kind of what I meant in my earlier childhood.
I did see energy around everything.
In varying degrees of luminosity and color, the intensity, it would be dull to bright in different colors and I instinctively knew about them and what that energy meant.
Absolutely.
So, yes, there is a lot of deception out there, and I think it does behoove people to delve a little deeper, and in some cases, perhaps regression is one of the best ways to do that.
Do you find that there are people that are resistant to kind of going under, being regressed, etc.?
Have you run across that, and do you have, like, a way of dealing with that?
Well...
Everybody resists a little bit the first time because they're not familiar with the process.
So the more a person is hypnotized, the deeper they go.
The more they get used to the idea of allowing the conscious mind to simply not get turned off, just turned down, so the subconscious mind is more open and receptive, allowing us to move into the memory.
See, no memory is lost or forgotten.
It's simply access, right?
You have to access it so we can, in a way, trick the mind into seeing a 360-degree view because the mind doesn't have eyes.
And so it can interpret their experience from many senses.
And so, yeah, I go through sort of the back door of the back doors when I need to.
But my clientele trusts me.
And when they trust me, they allow the process.
You're always in control.
It's always up to them.
You know, you can stop it or allow it.
So people who are resisting, maybe they're too fear-based to continue, and if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't want to be the one to bring up a memory that may cause them some type of mental distress.
In this whole phenomenon, or the ascension process, or the awakening, we can't dump tons of information on people that they might not be able to handle.
We have to be gentle in that transitional time so that they can come to it in a way that it's easier to accept.
No fear is what I'm saying.
Absolutely.
So when you're dealing with, you know, regression and your hypnotism, do you feel that you ever come across a situation where you may influence the person?
Do you have certain protocols that follow as a hypnotist to avoid influencing the testimony, so to speak?
Absolutely.
I never suggest any type of being.
I don't say, oh, that sounds like a gray.
I would never put that suggestion into their mind, and I don't lead them in any way.
I am simply the facilitator of the process.
I'm allowing them to go where they need to go, but I don't need to tell them what's there.
They're going to show me.
And that's the way to do it.
I mean, you know, some people are highly suggestible, and so you have to be very careful.
I do an extensive interview so that I know which words are going to resonate best in their subconscious mind, whether I'm going to be direct or whether I'm going to use permissive languaging or whatever it is I think it's going to take for them to move the conscious mind back a little so that they can get the work done.
You know, It's the same technique I use for whatever, whether somebody wants to stop smoking or become more self-actualized, living the life they really are meant to live.
Whatever it is, it's still the same technique.
When I'm working with somebody with extraterrestrial phenomena, you can't lead.
But if I'm working with somebody for behavioral modification, then I am giving them suggestions because I am reprogramming.
I'm reprogramming the mind to live a healthier life.
To choose foods that, say, both nourish and nurture the mind and the body so they can feel good about the choices they make.
Just combining the mind-body.
I do what it takes, but I would never leave, not in an abduction.
Okay.
Yes, absolutely.
So what about trauma?
Do you come across in your, like, I guess in general...
With your abductee or contactees, do you find there is trauma and how do you deal with that?
Do you think it's very prevalent or less so as time went on over the years or or how?
What do you think about that?
Well, all trauma over time subsides.
Nothing lasts forever.
We move through all feelings but When we're in session, we're regressed.
We're right back there.
So in the mind, it's the same time.
So if the session isn't being done so that the experience is slightly removed, then they may be traumatized and feeling it right then and there.
And so, yes, I have to be very careful that they know they're in control and they are viewing the Sometimes I let them see it on a screen, or I'll hand them a remote control so they can pause, fast-forward, rewind, or, hell, delete if they have to.
It's too much for them.
When you say that sometimes you have them on a screen, are you talking about during the actual regression?
I have them create a screen in their mind.
So that there is a barrier between feeling the trauma firsthand of the experience.
So we don't want to leave them, bring them right back to it and have them traumatized.
We want to bring them right back to it, but a foot away.
And so that's like they're watching it on a monitor so that they feel more in control.
It's just a small technique that gives them the control.
Otherwise, it feels like it's happening right then and there.
And I have been in that situation where they are freaking out because they are being floated through a wall or they wake up, half of their body is in one room, half is in the other.
These are terrifying things that defy our physics and psychologically people are numbed at that moment and they really don't know what to do.
But then when they see the extraterrestrial approaching them, then their fight or flight mechanism kicks in and they are freaking out.
Punched, kicked, thrown up on, you name it.
People do suffer trauma and they suffer afterwards.
It's called post-abduction stress disorder and it was coined by Rose Harsgrove who worked in the phenomena.
She was a psychiatric nurse and so it's a syndrome of symptoms that we can see that they're indicators of stress and From abduction.
Post-traumatic stress disorder, you can put your finger on what that was.
You lost your job, you got a divorce, your house burned down.
We know the issue.
Post-abduction is more difficult because sometimes they don't remember the trauma, but they have triggers and they're reacting to certain things, and so we can compile symptoms that are indicators of abduction.
Thank you for that, and that's great.
But you didn't answer the question in the sense that I'm asking about the various beings they're interacting with.
So in terms of...
The trauma and the beings.
Do you come across a lot of certain kinds of trauma with certain kinds of beings?
Anything like that?
Right.
Okay.
Sorry.
I missed the being part.
Yeah.
Reptilians have totally traumatized young men and women by showing them that they have eaten humans.
I have two stories that I've tracked these experiencers over a number of years.
They don't know each other.
They have an identical story where they're brought off-planet.
It feels like they're off-planet, but part of where they are is simulated earth homes.
And in the house, it's like a factory or an assembly line.
There's human bodies on a conveyor belt.
They're skinned, and then legs and arms are dismembered, head, and they're told that they're eaten.
And so, this is terrifying.
I've had a young man and young woman, word for word.
Now, I've heard others say that the reptilians do this as well, but no two stories that parallel like this.
They're identical, right down the line.
And that is...
Just one more coincidence.
So, you know, the reptilians definitely are the ones that can traumatize, but the greys will, too.
So will a mantis.
The person can be traumatized in front of anything that they're unfamiliar with, that throws them off their center or off their balance.
Once your core belief system is challenged, you can be mentally distressed.
Outside of the phenomena, I see people who come to me for stress because they see chemtrails.
They've researched them.
They feel powerless.
Now they have their power taken and this anxiety begins to begin to creep up into their life.
And what are they doing now every time they're sick?
So we have to create to balance and allow people to move through whatever the stress is.
So anything can cause trauma.
Okay.
Well, that's, yeah, that's a very interesting example, the chemtrails.
Chemtrails are quite a substantial phenomenon on our planet this time, which is also the, you know, geoengineering of our planet to allow for other beings to find it more accommodating for their races.
They're terraforming us.
Sure.
They're terraforming.
You could actually...
Sorry.
Are you finding that you could write a book about the information that you're being given by way of your abductees?
Is this something you've thought about?
I don't know if you're familiar with Dolores Cannon.
I think she tried that in some ways.
Any thoughts on that?
Yeah, Dolores Cannon did quantum hypnotherapy, and I understand her, and I respected her.
I also like Barbara Lamb's work.
In fact, Mary Barr, who is a member of my Sacramento Abduction Group, has written a book, and she's a hypnotherapist, and so her book is basically the sessions being transcribed from the words of the experiencer.
So yes, there's a plethora of information.
Some stories are related to me when they're on an off-world planet in terms that are so unearthly where the animals and food and fauna and flora are so beyond our description that just in those terms of the vibrancy and the life, yes, for sure, there could be a book about that.
Or even just with our telepaths.
Now, there are two types of telepaths in the phenomena.
There are the ones who...
Have the ability to choose the extraterrestrials that they have communication with.
They are the most adept.
Their mind moves up, out and free floats into the deepest reaches of space where they can interact in other ancient extraterrestrial societies, understanding their biology and learning from them in waves of consciousness.
Waves of consciousness comes through.
So there's all types of experiences and each one of them comes with their own set of information.
Now there's the harvesting for the hybridization, then the integration for them onto the planet, then we have those that are interacting with the Nordics thinking that they Are helping because we're so savage.
We're going to, you know, harm ourselves.
I think left up to the human, we wouldn't harm ourselves.
You ever notice how human beings act in a natural disaster?
They jump without thought to help a stranger, the neighbor.
They don't think about it.
It's only when they're being told how to behave that they become more...
Recluse to helping humanity.
That I believe is against our nature.
That is not what we are like.
A human is a light embodied entity.
Hue is an ancient word to measure light.
We still use that in the way of light intensity or Man is short for manifestation, which means physical or embodied, a human-bodied entity.
And when you know what you are, it makes it a little bit easier to understand the purpose.
We are evolving right now, and we know it.
Absolutely, and very well put.
You know, and I have to say that there's also the saying that goes, we are the rainbow warriors.
So this is the idea of us being beings of many colors and many light spectrum.
And this is a really fascinating sort of angle on what it means to be human.
I'm wondering if, in terms of what you're coming across, are you looking to explore different avenues?
In other words, what is your plans for the future in terms of expanding your own practice and your areas of investigation?
Can you share with us any of that?
Well, I am very busy.
So expanding the practice is something I don't want to do right now.
I want to be able to give my clients the quality time that they need.
I'm very busy in that aspect.
So yeah, it's important that I can maintain my private practice and still do my research, write the book, run the group, do the speaking engagements.
My goal is to Fortify human rights, so that we understand, to personally empower us, so that as we take our next step forward in this monumental time in history, that we get it right to understand what and who we are, so that we have a level of self-esteem.
Acceptance so that we can love ourselves.
We have no reason to feel superior or inferior.
And if you're not feeling superior or inferior to somebody, there is no fight over.
There's no war.
It is truly the way to peace.
And it's what we have the ability to do once we start to accept and learn and expand our consciousness to a unified consciousness.
I'd like to participate in that.
Carrie, I'm doing a retreat this summer with Laura Eisenhower and Holly Cook.
We're doing a goddess empowerment retreat where we're bringing women in to empower their inner goddess and allow them to begin to live in the world in a self-actualized way, the way it's supposed to be, living the life that they desire.
Lovely.
And if you have any details you want to share for people to get in touch with you, to join your...
I don't know if it's a conference or workshop, or you please do let people know.
Yes.
Well, I run the Sacramento Alien Abduction and Contactee Support Group, and you can reach that through my website, which is truyuhypnotherapy.com.
But if you're interested in coming out and hearing what we're saying, May 15th, I'll be in San Jose at MUFON with Dr. J.
June Steiner, and we will be talking about the phenomena, and that will be in San Jose.
The 16th, we're filming two episodes of Paranormal Connection TV, giving information on anomalous behavior.
So, we certainly have...
There are lots of ways for people to get a hold of me.
They can come out and see us at Contact in the Desert June 3rd through the 6th.
I'll be emceeing again this year.
Very happy to do that.
Some wonderful people, Jimmy Church, Fayta Black, who will be one of the MCs, Robert Perala, Allen Enfeld, Judy Ember Chase, we're the MCs for the wonderful lineup that they have this year.
And like I said earlier, again, I'll be at the Crowne Plaza in August.
And in September, I'll be in Berkeley at another conference.
And we'll be speaking about the extraterrestrial Presence on the planet, how to empower ourselves in what we do next.
Excellent.
Well, it's great to hear your sort of take on all of this and you're very well educated in this area and that's really a pleasure to listen to.
Now, I have a chat room that goes along with the show and I'm wondering if you would be willing to take some questions from the audience.
Thank you.
I'd be very happy to.
Okay, lovely.
So let me just say to the chat room, if you have a question, please put it in all caps and go ahead and type it in now so it's easier for me to find.
And I'll see if I can ask other questions, okay?
So bear with me one moment while I check out to see if there are any questions that we can ask you.
Hold on one second.
Okay.
In the meanwhile, let me ask you another question.
Can you talk about, you know, your own children?
Are you finding that they are being abducted, having experiences, and how do you cope with that?
Yeah, they'd rather me not talk about that.
the kids want to keep their life private.
I appreciate that.
So, in general, do you find, let me ask you this, and then I'll look at some more questions here.
Do you find that younger people are coming to you, in other words, are there age groups, breakdowns, where people are coming in certain age groups more often now than they do, or is there any kind of sort of profiling you can do on that level?
Cross the board.
My youngest member was 10 in the group.
Our oldest was in his 80s.
I have well over a hundred abductees and experiencers in the group and they're from all walks of life.
Several of them are authors, some are in high security technology.
Everybody is doing something different.
I have to say though, it's a pleasure running the Sacramento group.
I've been able to watch them over the last three years evolve with their own experiences and move forward with them.
And it's totally a pleasure.
Lovely.
Okay, so someone here is asking how to get in touch, get, I guess, their hands on your DVD. Yes, I have some wonderful DVDs out.
Well, if they want one on the abduction phenomena, they can go to my website and contact me that way.
I have a web store, but I haven't got it all set up yet.
I'm a horrible webmaster.
And there'll be DVDs on consciousness, a consciousness workshop, how to think in the fourth and fifth dimension.
And...
The Prince of Extra Toa did a UFO consciousness connection.
Okay, let's see.
Do you think there's a war going on on other planets, someone wants to know?
I think that there is a war going on.
I believe that there's a huge war right now, and this is a pivotal time for us.
I think that this is a time for all of us to really self-correct and start living the life that we're supposed to.
Higher thoughts, higher thinking, heartfelt.
We need to be truer people so that we can understand that these extraterrestrials who are coming and saying that they're going to prevent us from starting a war, I personally have witnessed what I thought looked like lasers, Bouncing in the sky, ships flying all over the place.
I've got pretty good film documentation of some of the sightings that I have.
A wonderful daytime picture of a UFO that followed me while I was driving southbound over the grapevine down into San Diego.
And I was able to throw my car into park, jump out and take a picture.
And it was really seconds later that there were black helicopters all over the place.
So, I mean, there...
They're here in the day and in the night and it's almost like they're pushing right now for some type of revelation or disclosure.
Yes, yes.
I think that's true.
Okay, fascinating.
So here's a few more questions, and then, you know, we'll let you go.
It says here, someone is asking how many different races your clients have been abducted by.
How many different?
So I've asked a similar question, but not quite that same one.
I would probably, off the top of my head, say that there's about five to seven races Abductor races, but there's just all kinds of other extraterrestrial races.
Hundreds, thousands.
Okay.
Let me see.
In terms of...
One second here.
Is Tucson corrupted by the U.S. government?
I don't know.
I mean, I've certainly heard that.
And we all have heard that.
And we know that their mission statement is to gather the information for the truth.
So I don't know.
I don't have anything to do with their database.
I am just one of 24 or 27 people on the mental health referral list.
So is it possible?
Yes, it's possible.
I've also heard that every experiencer group has been infiltrated at some point.
So...
We don't know.
Right.
Someone wants to know, let's see, do blacks and what the person is calling melanated races get abducted as much as whites?
Well, it depends where you're at.
If you're in South America, then they're all with darker skin, so sure.
And I have...
African-Americans.
And yes, but we also see that the abduction is chosen from blood.
We know that the majority, I believe, in the 80 percentile are RH negative.
Whether it's A, B, whatever, they're all RH negative.
So that's a commonality.
So I'm not sure that skin type matters so much.
Someone wants to know, what about the super soldier phenomena?
Have you had some clients that are super soldiers and have you been able to regress them, etc.?
I had one that would like to think was, but he wasn't.
So, yeah, I've certainly heard about them, and I know that they're very interesting.
But the thing is, really, super soldier, giving them superhuman strength.
We have superhuman strength.
It's called adrenaline.
Whenever you're in a life-threatening situation and your adrenaline kicks in, you can have superhuman super soldier feats.
It's just a matter of us controlling.
The adrenaline in our body and using it when we need to.
So a super soldier is simply a being that has been genetically modified, just like the food we eat, so that they can run on that higher octane or adrenaline.
So adrenaline is the key there to that super soldier.
My opinion.
Okay, yeah, fair enough.
Someone wants to know what kinds of ETs do you think are working with the government?
In my own personal experience during An abduction.
I did see a white lab coat looking human people.
And I do remember seeing what looked like uniforms.
And so I would say that Navy would be the most logical thing.
And army for retrieval, say a downed craft or so forth.
And they would just use the Air Force to transport.
But the Navy, they're the ones that have all of the super secret to have since the 40s.
Philadelphia project and so forth.
The person, I think, they're asking what kind of ETs are the government working with?
Oh, they look like greys, tall greys, and hybrids, a lot of hybrids.
Reptilians have been reported in those scenarios as well.
Reptilians, the warmongers.
You're in sort of the Bay Area.
Are you aware of the base in Moffitt Field?
No.
You're not?
Not so much.
I'm aware of a lot of bases around this area, but Moffitt Field does not ring a bell to me.
Okay, you know, Joseph Cerletti, his missing time happened right around the Moffett Field Base.
Right, well, a lot of the bases are associated with the phenomena.
We have underground bases all over the place.
I mean, Carrie, last summer and the summer before, my phone calls were said that People would get a phone call or text message and it was saying it was being sent from Duck Creek, Nevada, which is the Indian reservation that runs alongside Area 51.
I wasn't there, but you see my phone somehow was.
So we don't know.
Some people have speculated that there's a train, underground train, that goes from Sacramento to Area 51 because it's a short 400 miles east parallel.
And so, yeah, all of these bases supposedly through the whole Bay Area all the way down into the valley here are supposedly connected.
Huge underground city of bases.
So, yeah, I'm sure Joe told me Moffat Base, but it's just eluding me at the moment.
No problem.
Yeah, it's fascinating.
Wondering if you've ever heard of the raptors.
They're a certain kind of reptilian race that I have a whistleblower who talks a lot about the raptors.
Winged?
The ones that have a wing span to them?
That would be the Shakars, the more royalty.
That's a different race, from what I understand.
Okay, well, you know...
The people who are having the experiences don't always know the names of the races.
And so what we just get is physical descriptions.
And so it's up to me and other people's research that I can compare to to find out what one it sounds or looks most like.
So yeah, I have heard of lots of types of Well, okay.
Let me tell you what they look like.
I don't know if you've seen Jurassic World.
The raptors are in Jurassic Park and in Jurassic World.
They're the very fast-moving, rather smaller dinosaur types that run on their back legs.
And they're quite...
Vicious, at least in the Jurassic Park movies, what's interesting is I'm told by my whistleblower, and we also have Simon Parks, I don't know if you know who he is, They're both saying the same thing about these certain races involving the mantis beings and the raptors saying that the races have been told that if they align themselves more positively with humanity that they will have a better chance of moving into an ascension path for
their race.
And I wonder if you've heard anything to that effect.
Yes, I hear lots of things like that.
And yes, I do know what beings that you're talking about.
You know, Gordon Ashford Davidson says that all of the greys and reptiles and abductors have left the planet like five years ago.
I love him, but don't believe that to be accurate.
It's hopeful.
It's inspiring.
But I don't think that it is accurate.
So, yeah, I've heard that they can't go through the ascension process until everybody is balanced.
That each and every race that has to do with our planet has to ascend at the same time.
Scientists tell us today that we're moving out of the higher third dimension and into the fourth.
And the third dimension, as we know, it is slipping away because the universe is expanding.
That's why the time is critical right now for us to shed the negativity.
And them too.
Okay.
And someone else is asking if you have heard of any abductions that Where the person is mentioning the name of Jesus Christ and prevents the abduction.
Research indicates that when you call out the name Jesus, you can stop the abduction.
That is a valid statistic.
And I would say, by all means, try it.
Okay.
Fair enough.
Let's see...
Just really quickly scanning here to see if there's any other questions.
Someone's asking about DMT, whether that can open you up to healing or attack.
And have you had any feedback on that level?
Well, I wanted to try it, but I haven't.
I understand that it's supposed to be a God molecule that will open you up to a heightened consciousness expansion.
But whenever you're open, on any level, you're open to both good and bad.
And so you have to be careful.
Once that door is open, it's open to everything, like a moth to a flame.
And so you shouldn't open that door.
Unless you know what you're doing and if you're going to go through a DMT ceremony, it should be done by a certified shaman who can take you through the process on a spiritual quest.
that's the way it could be done but there's always a warning okay uh uh someone wants to know what your feeling is about uh the multi-dimensional experience and planes of existence so So I think you sort of wrote really about that, but do you want to elaborate?
Sure.
I believe that our consciousness...
is multidimensional that it resides both in us and outside of us in that it can transcend both space and time that in fact our consciousness can spread light years through space our consciousness is absolutely amazing and infinite so yes multidimensions and multiverses Someone else is asking about CERN. Have you heard reports
about CERN from your abductees or contactees?
Anything about that?
A little bit, but not that much, really.
Okay.
Okay, well, I think we've covered a lot of the questions.
I don't see too many questions cropping up at this point.
We've been going for a while.
So is there anything else you'd like to add that I haven't asked you To say to the people while we still have you on the air here and you know it's been a pleasure to have you on the show.
Thank you.
I would just like to reiterate that the entire phenomena is a human experience and that even by be careful when you associate with particular ETs when they claim you oh you're Anunnaki or you're Pleiadian.
You know what?
You're a human and another word for claim is possess.
So be personally empowered and well grounded and understand that it's about our consciousness expansion, our evolution and that we have rights and we have to proclaim them.
Absolutely.
Thank you very much, Lori.
It's been great having you on the show.
I'd love to have you back in the future.
Please do contact me when your book is ready to be released.
I know people would love to hear about it and get a copy.
This interview will go onto YouTube and have a much larger audience even than it has had here live.
So...
So thank you so much.
And your story about your mother and, you know, how you were, you know, sort of born and et cetera is fascinating.
And please do share if you get a video, for example, if she is able to speak at the event that you mentioned.
You know, please keep in touch.
And I think people would like to follow your information and your career.
All right.
Thank you for having me, Carrie.
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