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Dec. 11, 2015 - Project Camelot

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KERRY INTERVIEWS PETER LEVENDA FULL VERSION BOTH PARTS

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	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Peter, why don't we start with an introduction for your background?
	And because I started reading this book, which I think you call Legacy, is that correct?
	And I would love to basically have you Talk about how you got involved in all of this, even going down the path from an early age, I guess.
	So can you give yourself a little background?
	Sure.
	I got involved in this subject generally around the time of Watergate, which tells you how old I am.
	So we had the Watergate affair, we had Nixon, we had all these revelations coming out, and I began to realize there were certain names And organizations that kept cropping up.
	People that I had remembered dimly from other sources, such as the Vietnam War, or the Kennedy assassination, or things like that.
	And so I began to read voraciously, I think three or four newspapers a day in those days.
	There was no internet.
	And I kept very close track of the Watergate investigations.
	And I was always fascinated with the role that religion had with politics.
	I always felt that there was a definite undercurrent there between religious beliefs and political beliefs and that a lot of our politicians, our military people and other people in government and in places of power had both influences on their lives, political ideas and religious or let's say spiritual ideas.
	So I began to research that very definitely back in the 1970s.
	It particularly interested me in the idea that the Third Reich and National Socialism had a very strong mystical component.
	And because of this, I was fascinated by this.
	I thought, here was a country that was a political institution, that had a political party running it, that was declaring war on everyone, but it was also motivated by some very deep and yet very strange religious ideas.
	So one thing led to another, and I wound up investigating the Nazis in general at the National Archives Library of Congress.
	I wanted to look at the actual German documents themselves.
	And was introduced to a large file on the SS Division called Annanerba, the Ancestral Heritage Research Bureau.
	And I saw with my own eyes that all of those stories we had heard from Mourning of the Magicians and The Spear of Destiny and all those other books, here was the actual documentation proving that the Nazis had financed, for instance, an expedition to Tibet.
	Or that they were investigating yoga and runes and various types of occultism and paganism.
	And I thought this was the mother load.
	This was something that I had to really pay attention to.
	Here was the proof of my thesis that there was a connection between religion and politics.
	So I started with that.
	I started putting two and two together.
	I started to do more research.
	It eventually led me to South America.
	Where I investigated a Nazi installation there called Colonia Dignitat.
	And out of all of that imbroglio of all sorts of weird influences and ideas and people and organizations came eventually Unholy Alliance, my first book.
	And that led into Sinister Forces, those three books that are probably best known for these days, which was trying to apply what I had learned about the Nazis to American politics and American foreign policy and domestic policy, trying to find out maybe we were living in a different world than I thought.
	Maybe there were other things taking place.
	Maybe the separation between church and state that we are very proud of in this country is only really a legal That in the real world, politicians have religious ideas.
	They don't talk about them.
	We don't really probe too deeply into them, but they can sometimes form their worldview.
	For instance, Ronald Reagan belonging to the same religious denomination as Jim Jones of Jonestown, Guyana.
	The Jonestown Massacre.
	An apocalyptic denomination of Christianity that believes in the end of times and the ultimate destruction of the planet and its rebirth in a new age.
	All of these things formed his worldview.
	His wife, Nancy, was He was avidly interested in astrology, as we all know, and was arranging his schedule of who he would see and when he would see them based on astrology.
	This is fascinating stuff, and it has tremendous implications for how we live in this country and what we should expect from our politicians.
	So that led me into a lot of different areas, as you might imagine.
	Okay, well, that's fascinating.
	What I'm curious about is how you sort of stayed on this trail for so long.
	Because in all the books you write, you seem to really have an interesting approach to basically...
	You know, you seem to be following an overall trail, I guess I want to say.
	And I've noticed that you are constantly, even when you change topics, in a sense, you're kind of following the same trail.
	So can you explain, in light of what you just told us, and certainly you're motivated to investigate the Nazi link-up and the history that is...
	Sort of at least contemporary enough that it was if maybe just before you were born or whatever.
	In other words, do you know why it is or what you're kind of searching for overall?
	Sure, that's a very fair question and it's one not too many people ask me actually, so I don't tell them.
	But basically what happens is that Yes, all of the books that I've written, and they've been on a lot of different subjects, and they don't seem very related, are all actually part of one story, one quest for information that I've been on since I was in my twenties, at least, if not earlier.
	It is one overarching idea that I've been trying to discover, and that is, number one, separating truth from fiction, especially in political discourse, is extremely difficult.
	And sometimes if we only rely upon published accounts, or if we only rely upon the major media outlets, we are definitely not going to get a really good feel for what's actually going on.
	I had an issue with, for instance, something like the Dead Sea Scrolls.
	Here was a discovery back in 1947 of these tremendously important documents, and as someone who had been born a Catholic, I thought that it was really vitally necessary for us to know what was in the Dead Sea Scrolls, but we were not allowed to know for so long because the church had basically controlled access to those documents,
	and I thought that was quite unfair because what is more central to who we are as human beings than our spirituality, let's say, or the religions we were brought up with, So it's things like that that have always bothered me, that there are secrets that may be extremely important for us to know.
	And it led me to realize that reality, as we know, it really operates on two different levels.
	There's the level that we're comfortable with the day-to-day reality.
	We might call it the matrix.
	You know, we deal with things that come about.
	We think we know what we're dealing with.
	The media tells us what we're dealing with, and we're comfortable with that.
	But as I've traveled, and I've traveled really to a lot of countries, I've lived abroad for long periods of time, I begin to realize that what really goes on and what we think goes on are two entirely different things.
	And I wrote Sinister Forces because I was amazed at the number of bizarre coincidences, you might call them synchronicities, that exist in our political landscape, exist in our culture.
	Things that we don't suspect are bubbling beneath the surface.
	And it wasn't just in America, of course.
	As I traveled abroad, it was also everywhere.
	Everybody lives with these two different worlds in their head.
	There's that one world out there where we live and we work and we pay our bills and do all of that.
	And then there's another world, which is the world of our spirituality, you might say.
	Although that might put too nice a picture on it.
	It's something darker sometimes.
	And some of the people that we run into are involved with darker things.
	And it's my desire to find out what that is.
	And the Nazis gave me an excellent entree into that type of information because they were so blatantly evil and so blatantly powerful.
	And they ran an entire country and they were successful in war for years using these philosophies.
	And the SS was considered, you know, sort of the ultimate cult on the planet at the time.
	What was this all about?
	What is it about human beings and human nature that allows us to operate in these two different worlds simultaneously?
	The world where everything is just necessary, and we do what we have to do, and we grow up, we get married, we have children, we buy houses, and then we die.
	And then there's the other world, which is something completely different, which is the world of deeper motivations, deeper fanaticisms, you might say, the desire to do something great Whether it's great good or great evil, but it's still a desire to do something to make a mark.
	What is that all about?
	And whether you're studying politics or religion or occultism, as I've done, terrorism, as I've done, any of these things, you find there's common elements in all of them.
	You can see the shadows of the beast behind all of it.
	Absolutely.
	Well, that's pretty comprehensive.
	Although, I do want to say that I'm still wondering, in a certain sense, you had to have some kind of...
	A motivation that maybe on a personal level, in other words, you were trying to understand reality.
	What you were coming across, though, it seems to me, because I read one of your early Sinister Forces volumes and stumbled on that by accident, really.
	And it was so in-depth.
	And what you came across was so, you know, intricate in terms of The occult, you know, magic.
	What we know as the Illuminati and the magicians and the Nazis who were dabbling certainly in all of that.
	It was all woven together and it seems that you, as you say, have followed that thread.
	But...
	I'm just curious, did you have any more personal interaction with Nazism on a certain level or injustice?
	Because in a certain sense, whether you acknowledge it or not, you've become a fighter for freedom in the process of outing the truth about some of the dark sides of our world.
	Well, it's very nice of you to say that, but yes, I mean, as far as personal encounters or personal contact with forces like this, of course, I mean, that began for me personally when I was still a teenager.
	And part of that story is told in Sinistered Forces rather obliquely, but it's there.
	For instance, when I was 17 years old, or even 16 years old, a friend of mine and I decided to form our own church.
	I was living in the Bronx at this time.
	And the idea was, well, we didn't really want to go to Vietnam.
	This was during the 60s.
	And we were not going to be able to go to university for various reasons.
	And I came up with this idea, why don't we have a church?
	To make a long story short, we incorporated a church and made the acquaintance of another church in the Bronx equally bizarre.
	Remember, I was 17 years old, and so was my friends, and we were running a church.
	So we made the acquaintance of another church, which was based close to the Bronx Zoo, appropriately enough.
	And this church, as it turns out, and I didn't really understand it fully at the time, although the hints were there, and I understood there was something going on.
	The church operated as a front for American intelligence operations.
	It was since revealed in the papers released by Jim Garrison's people, his files, talk about this church.
	And there's letterhead in those files from the very church, the very letterhead I used to type on in the Bronx.
	And this was the church that ran people like David Ferry, Jack Martin, all of the other spooks that were around Lee Harvey Oswald back in New Orleans in the 1960s.
	This was the same church.
	And it wasn't a real church.
	It was a front.
	And we had people coming in from the FBI and from other agencies all the time.
	We consecrated people as priests, as bishops, and ordained them as priests and sent them around the world on various missions, of which I have no idea, didn't at the time.
	I started to piece together the ideas since then, the documents and the people and the personnel.
	But we were running operations, you know.
	This was a church that was supposed to be a church and really wasn't.
	When you see that with your own eyes, When you realize at a very young age that what you see is not what it really is, that nothing is what it seems to be, you become aware.
	You become very conscious that the world around you is not what it seems to be.
	If this one church that I was involved with suddenly turned out to be an intelligence operation, and it's well known.
	I've talked about it in Sinister Forces and other places, and everyone knows the name of the church and the people who were involved.
	It's no secret.
	It's in the Warren Report.
	It's in the FBI reports of the House Subcommittee on Assassinations.
	It's in Jim Garrison's files.
	They're right there, and I have a lot of documentation.
	Since then, I've been corresponding with people who were still alive, bishops of that church, and they told me other parts of the story.
	So, here I was a teenager, you know, and I'm getting this education in intelligence operations, in duplicity, in deception, and using the church as a front for these activities, which blew my mind at the time, because we didn't grow up thinking like this.
	I was, I say, born and raised a Catholic.
	And, you know, no one would have suspected that the Catholic Church, for instance, Would have been involved in protecting Nazi war criminals.
	No one would have expected that this little church in the Bronx, an Orthodox Church from the Eastern Orthodox Ukrainian branch of the Orthodox Church, would have been involved in running agents.
	Or that the Russian Orthodox Church in New York on the Upper West Side was really a haven for KGB agents at the time.
	All of this stuff was going on.
	And it was going on under our noses.
	And it didn't take much For somebody like me, a kid who was still in high school, to actually go and penetrate this because it was a circus in those days.
	It was the 1960s and it was a circus and everybody was doing everything and there was all sorts of stuff going on.
	That opened my eyes.
	It made me sensitive to the idea that things are not always what they seem.
	Okay, well, that sort of covers, sort of definitely reveals to some degree why you would even be stimulated by things in your life to go down this road.
	When you say you penetrated it or...
	I'm not sure that's the language, but I think it's kind of what you mean.
	Did you become an agent, or were you just kind of a spy within a network of spies at that point?
	No, nothing that romantic.
	But actually, there was a little bit of it in the sense that our ultimate goal was to stay out of Vietnam at the time.
	And it worked, because what happened was I met the head of the Selective Service System in New York City at the time.
	A man called Colonel Kirschenbaum.
	I'll just mention his name.
	He's passed away a couple of years now, as I later, as I found out recently.
	And Colonel Kirschenbaum was the one who sort of rubber stamped my deferment that I wouldn't have to go to Vietnam.
	But there was an understanding.
	And the understanding was, okay, you're in this Orthodox Church.
	It's a church that's known to us.
	Keep your eyes open.
	If you see anything going on that you think we should know about, let us know.
	Now remember, this was the time of the Cold War.
	It wasn't just Vietnam going on.
	We had a tremendous problem with the Soviet Union.
	So we had a Cold War, we had Russian agents coming into, and this was taking place in New York City, a hot bit of intrigue at that time.
	And the understanding was I would keep an eye on things, you know.
	I was a kid, but if I found anything suspicious, you know, if you see something, say something in those days, and I would report it back through channels, and that, you know, I would be serving my function this way.
	So you did do this, and In essence, did you feel that, I don't know, you were fighting the good fight for your country at that point?
	Well, I was, as I say, 17 years old, going on to 18 years old.
	Again, my political sophistication was not that great.
	As far as defending the country, doing the right things for the country, well, here was my option of doing so.
	So if I did see something, and believe me, if I had thought there was something really weird going on, you know, Russian agents building a bomb or something, I definitely would have reported it.
	But basically there was nothing to report.
	The church I was working for was part of the American intelligence apparatus.
	There was no way for me to report to anybody about anything, you know.
	And I was too green to know who the players really were and what steps to take and what I should do.
	I just kept my eyes open.
	I kept looking around and I didn't stay that long with the church through various political problems.
	I left it probably about a year later or less than a year.
	And as soon as I left it, Interestingly enough, I got a letter from the Selective Service Bureau, and I hadn't informed them of anything, withdrawing my Vietnam deferment and telling me I was 1A. I could see where the big hand was, where Big Brother was, you know, behind this thing.
	And I started getting phone calls from other churches, Russian churches and Syrian churches and places like that, trying to recruit me or find out what I knew about what was going on.
	And so I wrote a letter back to Selective Service saying, okay, guys, what do you want to do?
	Do you really want me to, you know, spill the beans on all of this or what?
	And about a couple of days later, I got a letter putting me back on 4D. No explanation, nothing else, but I went back into the deferment pool.
	So, I don't know what all that means.
	You know, I can speculate about it today, but a lot of the people who worked around me at that time are gone.
	A few are still around, still talking, and I've met a few of them.
	And the general consensus is this was an intelligence operation Jim Garrison knew it back in New Orleans, but he didn't know what to make of it.
	He couldn't figure it out.
	And I wish I had known Jim Garrison.
	I wish I had known he was wondering about this, because I could have filled him in, at least from my little part of it.
	And I've been trying to tell people about this angle of the Kennedy assassination ever since.
	Oh, well, don't stop there.
	Well, it's a little off topic.
	Yeah, I don't really want to go that far off topic, but I just interviewed Mark Richards, and he just had something to say about the Devil's Chessboard, the new David Talbot book, sort of stating that Dulles had a big role, a much bigger role than maybe previously thought.
	In regards to the Kennedy assassination.
	And Mark kind of clarified where he saw that.
	And Mark is a captain in the secret space program, Space Command.
	And he's in prison, actually.
	I interview him in prison.
	And I'm one of the only journalists to do so.
	So I have to ask you...
	You just said you know something about Kennedy assassination.
	You've been trying to get it out there.
	What, if you can be as succinct as possible, what exactly is that that you know?
	Well, I'm not known for being succinct, but I'll try.
	Basically, I've written about this in Sinister Forces and other places.
	Basically, it comes down to the fact that Dulles, since you brought him up, was only a couple of handshakes away from Lee Oswald.
	Really only a couple of handshakes away.
	Dulles' mistress was Mary Bancroft.
	Everybody knows that Mary Bancroft wrote her own autobiography about it.
	There's no mystery there.
	I mean, no mystery today, but there was in the 1960s.
	Mary Bancroft's best friend in the whole world, her BFF, was a woman called Ruth Forbes Payne.
	Ruth Forbes Payne was married to a guy called Arthur Young, so she was Ruth Forbes Payne Young.
	I told you I can't be succinct.
	So this couple, Arthur Young and Ruth Forbes Payne Young, had a daughter-in-law, and the daughter-in-law was called Ruth Payne.
	Ruth Payne lived in Texas.
	Ruth Payne was the person who gave Lee Harvey Oswald his job at the Texas School Book Depository.
	Ruth Payne allowed Marina Oswald to live in her house with her kids while Lee was working at the School Book Depository.
	She wanted to learn Russian, was the story.
	Marina, of course, was the daughter, the niece of a military colonel, intelligence colonel in the Soviet Union.
	So they're living in her house.
	And in September of 1963, Ruth Payne of Texas goes up to visit her in-laws, Arthur Young and Ruth Forbes Payne Young in Philadelphia.
	She starts to talk about this to the Warren Commission.
	You can look up in the Warren Commission files, the transcripts of those interrogations or interviews.
	Alan Dulles is present during this time.
	Ruth Payne, sweet little Quaker folk dancing, Russian-speaking Ruth Payne, is sort of going on about life with, you know, Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald, and she starts to go into this fact that in September, two months before the assassination, she goes up to visit Arthur Young, her father-in-law.
	Dulles cuts off that story immediately.
	You can read the transcripts, it's stunning.
	And he derails the whole conversation by talking about something else completely different, making some kind of joke, and basically putting the kibosh on this particular type of discussion.
	She never mentions the story again.
	And it's only after a lot of digging that I found out what she was talking about.
	She was talking about seeing Arthur Young, and Arthur Young leads us back to the infamous group called The Nine up in Maine, which was a group of nine Americans, very well placed, who believed they were in contact with him.
	Flying saucer back in 1952.
	So it is a bizarre story.
	And this isn't the Giza 9, right?
	Yes, it is.
	Oh, it is?
	Really?
	Okay, well then that actually...
	Okay.
	Stargate Conspiracy.
	They talk about it, but they don't connect to the assassination.
	They didn't realize that Arthur Young was the Arthur Young, that Ruth Forbes Cain Young was the Ruth Young, whose daughter-in-law was Ruth Cain down in Texas, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc.
	They never connected those dots.
	Okay, now...
	This is excellent information.
	And I guess we're getting a slight echo.
	I'm not sure why.
	So I'm going to maybe turn my volume down a little and hope that helps.
	I'm not sure how to do that.
	Anyway...
	But what I, I mean, we're getting into the Giza 9.
	Well, that's a very interesting area because Mark Richards said that he knew who was behind the Kennedy assassination, but if he was to tell me, he would end up in Leavenworth.
	Well, he's already in a prison.
	He's in Vacaville and has been for 30 years on trumped-up charges.
	But apparently, you know, this Leavenworth is a much worse place to be.
	It's a military prison, I guess, and so on.
	I don't know a lot about it.
	But it was interesting to hear that from him.
	So now you're kind of filling in a little bit more behind the scenes because he said it went above Dulles.
	And...
	This indicates that Dulles knew it went above him.
	In other words, that he was probably following orders, or at least in some form or fashion, you know, read in with this group, right?
	Well, Dulles was not present for all of the Warren Commission interrogations, obviously.
	But he did make sure he was there for Ruth Baines, that he could stop that line of inquiry from going any further.
	Very convenient.
	Very convenient for her.
	And as well, we come back to the idea of the church again, which is that the church in New Orleans, with David Ferry and Jack Martin, all those crazy guys, were linked with, of course, Guy Bannister and his office that Oswald worked out of.
	Those people, David Ferry, Jack Martin, Tommy Jude Baumler, a whole bunch of guys operating under Bannister's office, We're all bishops in the same church that I was connected to.
	You know, and I joined that church in 1968, which was during the time of the investigation of Garrison into the church.
	You know, and he came up dry because he didn't know what it meant.
	But I knew, and especially now over the last few years that these documents have become available, that this church, the American Orthodox Catholic Church, was right in the middle of it.
	And the leader of that church, a guy called Profeta, He bragged to me that on his board of directors was one FBI agent and one CIA agent.
	He used to brag about this all the time.
	And I used to see guys with, you know, black wingtips and, you know, white shirt and black ties show up occasionally at the cathedral in the Bronx to have private meetings with these guys.
	And then I found out later from other people, other bishops, that you had to be vetted by Jay Agaruhu, by the FBI, to become a bishop in that area.
	And they sent me letters, and I still have the correspondence, certainly, where they said this was what we had to do.
	Hoover was directly responsible for running this operation.
	So we have Hoover running the church.
	We have the church running David Ferry and Jack Martin, who were suspects in the Kennedy assassination.
	This is a very strange group.
	Oh, wow.
	And it also, well, of course, has to link, well, it links back to the Vatican, but the fact that it links back to the guys involved in the Giza intelligences scenario, which is a very dark, dark scenario, and continues to this day, and informed, I mean, I don't know how far down that road you've gone either.
	I've gotten some nasty communications from some of the surviving members of the Nine who didn't like at all that I had written and published.
	We're talking about Andre Pluharik and...
	And, I mean, we're talking, I mean, this gets into SRI, and, I mean, just the whole remote viewing crew, and, I mean, it just, it goes...
	I got emails from John Whitmore, who's the racing car driver who's on the current, you know, the level of the nine hours for Harvick's third car.
	I got letters from other people telling me I shouldn't be saying these things about the Kennedy assassination.
	Ah, very interesting.
	I said, listen, guys, it's out there.
	It's documented.
	I'm not making any of this stuff up.
	It's not speculative.
	Yeah, but see, nobody...
	I mean, let me just say this, that you're fairly unique in the sense that you will, in essence, go fishing in all the different waters.
	You will add up.
	And link things together.
	And actually I have to say I do that.
	And so I immediately resonated with your writing because I feel like a lot of people don't want to bring in, you know, you get someone and they don't want to look here or they don't want to look there and they don't realize these things are really connected.
	And there's a few people out there.
	That was Garrison's problem with the churches.
	We have his handwritten memos to the House Subcommittee on Assassination saying, you guys better look into this because I don't have a clue what it means.
	And yet he had his finger right there on something that would have led to a very big scandal had he revealed it at the time.
	Wow, that's just fascinating.
	And now I'm going to have to go back and read everything you've ever written, which is a good thing.
	I mean, you know, obviously.
	So let's get back to this topic that we started with, because it's not that we actually strayed that far, believe it or not, as you will know, because...
	Where I wanted to go with this or wanted to ask you about was, you know, I just recently got back from Turkey.
	I have spent quite a bit of time in the Middle East.
	I just got a communique today from a very interesting man who's highly involved in the Illuminati and...
	He's also written some books about UFOs.
	His name is Peter Padgett.
	And he has sent me something that is drawing my attention to an article written in the press today.
	And I don't know if I can find it during this broadcast or not.
	It's basically Turkey telling its citizens right now to get out of Iraq.
	That if there are any Turkish citizens in Iraq, they're telling them to get out.
	They don't say why.
	They just say they're on alert and get out of Iraq, which is an interesting thing.
	And Paget is basically alluding to, he's not coming out and saying it, so I don't want to say I'm attributing this to him.
	But he drew my attention to this article.
	He said, look here, read between the lines.
	We know what's going on.
	Well, I know that they're trying to embroil Turkey in this war with Syria, this mini-war, whatever you want to call it.
	But that gets into these connections, and this is why I wanted to talk to you, because we're right at a juncture where sort of Muslim baiting and all this nonsense is happening, and it's really taking people off...
	Off track, in essence, in a way that's very similar and echoes to me, although I wasn't alive then, of Nazi Germany, to where they're basically, they've got a race, you know, where they can racially profile people, and they can put people into a headspace to hate people.
	And to be afraid.
	And by the same token, they're also doing false flags around these various cities.
	We just had one in San Bernardino.
	And there's very clear evidence.
	I've had Ole Damogard.
	I don't know if you're familiar with his work.
	But he specializes in assassinations, false flags, and the fact that there's also a...
	I think it's a European group of...
	What are in essence kind of mercenary killers called Gladio, which you know about.
	Can you talk about Gladio a little bit and how that wraps into ISIS and how you put this together in terms of...
	How was it so easy?
	And I know you outlined the whole history of how Nazis, actually how ISIS and Nazis go back to some similar roots.
	So I know it's a huge, we're talking, you know, we only have so much time here, and I'm not asking you to write a book on the air, but what can you do with all of that?
	Well, I think you're absolutely right, what you just said, that it requires...
	A little bit of historical context to understand what we're going through right now, and that's what you've alluded to.
	I've lived, just so your listeners understand and your viewers understand, I've lived in Muslim countries for years.
	I lived in Malaysia for seven years.
	I did a lot of work and traveling and living in Indonesia, which is the largest Muslim country in the world.
	I've been to mosques in Europe, Central, Middle East, Southeast Asia, United States, a lot of places.
	So, I have a little bit of background as well on Islam and that whole thing, and I talked about it, and I discussed these things with a lot of friends of mine of various persuasions.
	The root of this problem that we're facing now has less to do with religion, less to do with Islam, than it does with political machinations in that part of the world.
	It goes back to World War I, and I know this sounds like a long story I'll make.
	As World War I was breaking out, an archaeologist, a German archaeologist called Max von Offenheim decided that he considered himself a Middle East expert and an Arabist.
	He lived in an apartment near Al-Azhar University in Cairo.
	He went to the Sultan, before the Sultan, he went to the Kaiser of Germany.
	Who was a friend of it.
	The Kaiser loved this guy because he thought this is a brilliant guy who understands Islam, understands the Middle East.
	Max von Oppenheim, the amateur archaeologist, told the Kaiser, convinced the Sultan to declare the first ever global jihad.
	Tell Muslims around the world that they have to rise up against the infidel, overthrow the infidel.
	Get the Muslims on your side in the Middle East.
	You can get rid of Great Britain.
	You can get rid of Italy, France, everybody else who's out there.
	Remember at that time, Italy had chunks of Libya and Ethiopia.
	The British had Egypt.
	You know, the French were in there as well, trying to get North Africa, Morocco, Algeria.
	So these were the enemies of the first right, of the Kaisers, Germany.
	And the idea was, let's form an alliance with Turkey.
	Tell the The vizier of Turkey to issue a fatwa proclaiming a global jihad.
	Now, the Ottoman Empire was the only Khalifa, the only caliphate, you know, existing at that time, really.
	And it had control over large chunks of Saudi Arabia and other parts of the Middle East.
	And the idea was to call it a global jihad.
	Throw out all of these other European powers.
	Throw out Russia, which was very powerful in that region.
	Throw out England, throw out Throw out France.
	And they agreed.
	And the Sultan did this, and the Vizier did this, and they issued this fatwa and told the Arabs to revolt against the British and the French and the Russians.
	Well, as it turned out, nobody paid any attention.
	As you know, if you've seen the movie Lawrence of Arabia, the Arabs decided to revolt on the side of the British against the Turks.
	They actually defied this fatwa, which kind of goes against this monolithic idea of Islam that everybody had.
	Here was the leader of Islam telling everybody, fight the British.
	And here were the Arabs saying, I don't think so.
	And so they allied themselves with the British and French, threw out the Turks, destroyed the Turkish railway system under Lawrence.
	The armies of Allenby went through to Damascus.
	The Turks were broken.
	They lost their territories in the Middle East.
	Then what happened?
	Well, all the promises that the British and the French had made to the Arabs were broken immediately.
	The Arabs thought they were going to get their independence and their territories.
	They weren't.
	The British decided to create mandates, decided to create territories.
	The French and the British signed the Sykes-Picot Agreement, basically carving up the Middle East between those two countries for the oil, for access to the Suez Canal, and all these other things.
	Suddenly the Arab revolt had been betrayed.
	Put that in the context of 1918, 1919, 1920, The communists have just taken over in Russia.
	They've created the first Soviet Union.
	They're telling everybody there was a Jewish conspiracy to control the world.
	There were the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which was this hoax document purporting to be a group of Jews deciding how they're going to carve up the world.
	Suddenly, if you're living in Palestine, if you're an Arab who suddenly sees British troops everywhere and you don't have your country, you're going to start believing those protocols are real.
	Because look what happened.
	They got betrayed, the British came in, and now they've created a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
	So the idea that they've been betrayed was very deep.
	And the leader of the revolt against the British was a man called al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who then became a rabid pro-Nazi.
	When Hitler came to power in 1933, Husseini thought, we can work with this guy.
	And once again, there was a German-Arab alliance against the West.
	And this started with Adolf Eichmann himself traveling to the Middle East to meet with al-Husseini, to meet with the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, to meet with all these people to see who he could work with for the Third Reich.
	Eichmann prided himself in speaking Yiddish and knowing some Hebrew and Arabic and all of that.
	He later got a job running the Masonic department, trying to track down Freemasons and put them in prison.
	So here was a guy who was an avid Nazi who was trying to build this relationship, and he did successfully.
	As we find out later, the Grand Mufti did wind up in Berlin, the head of the Palestinian revolt, and he was broadcasting in Arabic to his people in the Middle East to rise up against the British to join forces with Hitler.
	He then went on to bless the troops, which was the Bosnian Hanshar division in the Balkans, which was a largely Muslim division, which had imams running the various divisions of the troops.
	We had a puppet government in Croatia as well, part Catholic and some Muslims as well.
	So you suddenly had this idea that Muslims and Nazis shared a common enemy, which was the Jews, number one, but it was also the West.
	And once the war was over, the Nazis simply moved their base of operations from Europe into the Middle East and into South America and other places.
	The SS moved into the Middle East.
	They started working for Nasser's Egypt.
	They continued the fight long after World War II was over.
	Well, you know, this history lesson I think is very useful for people.
	I do think that there are a lot of people who don't understand, though, You know, why they align themselves so easily with each other, so to speak.
	In other words, having a common enemy, okay, being sort of disappointed or whatever you want to call that in the sense that the Arabs didn't get what they thought they would get from the Brits is one thing.
	But it doesn't, you know, there seems to need to be more.
	And maybe it was manufactured later.
	And maybe it was something to do with, I was reading an article, I think I sent it to you as well.
	It's on my website.
	And it says that there is some kind of basis, at least in Wahhabism, that, you know, the Saudi Arabian version of Islam.
	That dovetails with some of the Nazi, I don't know, thoughts or philosophy.
	Can you address that at all?
	The Wahhabis and the Salafis were anti-modernists.
	The Nazis were as well.
	The Nazis wanted to return to a golden age.
	They didn't like the cities.
	They wanted to go back to the countryside.
	They wanted to go back to paganism, basically.
	They wanted to get rid of Christianity, especially Judaism, but also Christianity out of their country and go back to their native roots.
	They longed for this idyllic time that they thought existed in the distant past to recreate the purity of the German race.
	Zahabism is very similar.
	It's anti-modern.
	It blames the failure of the caliphates of old on decadence, on moral decadence and moral turpitude, which is exactly the Nazi point of view on why Germany lost its war in World War I, was because of some of the same reasons.
	The Jews were also blamed in both cases for having caused this problem.
	So there was a kind of confluence of ideology between the Wahhabis and the Nazis.
	The idea of purity is very important to both.
	The idea of going back to a golden age when we were, you know, powerful and strong, when the Nazis were, when Germany was very powerful and strong, fighting off the Roman legions, the Teutonic Knights, and all of these things, and the Wahhabi going back to the same thing, when they had the caliphate stretched From Saudi Arabia to the borders of France on the one side and to the borders of Austria on the other.
	They wanted to go back to the old days and they thought the only way to do that was to purify themselves of all that was decadent, evil, licentious, etc, etc, etc.
	So it's a very puritanical movement they both were.
	And I think that's what they had in common.
	Plus, of course, their common enemy in the Jews and in the West in general.
	The Nazis hated the West.
	They hated the West as equally as they hated the Soviet Union.
	They hated America.
	They hated what we stood for on our side of the ocean, as well as what Russia stood for.
	The Nazis believed in forming a kind of third way, an alternate to both.
	And once the Nazis had fallen, once the Third Reich was over and done with, the true believers never lost hope that they could still return to those golden days, that they could still create an environment where that would be possible.
	So they were at war with both the Soviet Union and the United States.
	These are the two superpowers that had to be gotten out of the way before they could revitalize themselves.
	And this is exactly what's happening now with groups like ISIS, who see that the enemies are both The United States and the West in general.
	And of course the Russians, now that they're involved.
	So it's going to be the same third way idea that's behind it.
	It's got very little to do with religion.
	I've spent a lot of time, as I said, in Muslim countries.
	There's no ISIS sentiment in those places.
	There's no idea of creating a caliphate or doing any of this stuff.
	People just want to live and be left alone.
	Indonesia is an example.
	If you declare any kind of loyalty to ISIS, you can be arrested.
	As one politician in Indonesia suggested, let's send anybody who wants to join ISIS to Syria.
	But just take their passport.
	Don't let them come home again.
	Give them a one-way ticket and say, see ya.
	You know, have a nice day.
	There's this revulsion among most Muslims that I know for anything to do with ISIS. But you understand that the way Islam is structured, there's no Pope.
	There is no College of Cardinals.
	There's no Archbishop.
	Basically, Islam is between you and God.
	There are imams, there are teachers, there are people who are revered for what they know and the studies that they've done and the jurisprudence that they understand and all of this.
	But there is no actual religious leader that tells people what to do, or else we probably wouldn't have this problem.
	Or we may have a bigger problem.
	But what ISIS is, is an eruption of a certain kind of belief system.
	It's heavily influenced by the Nazis.
	And I mean not just in general terms.
	It's influenced in very practical terms.
	In the 1960s and in the 1970s, the Arab nationalist movements in North Africa and the Middle East were largely financed by Nazi gold that was in the hands of a Swiss financier, as well as Otto Skorzeny, Hans Ulrich Rudel, and some of the other people familiar to anybody who studies Odessa.
	But there was a lot of money pouring into those organizations from Nazi financiers, people who had access to the Nazi funds that had been hidden after World War II. These were used to finance these movements.
	Otto Skorseni trained Palestinian commandos, literally personally trained them.
	So we're talking about a very close alliance.
	With people who have the same fundamental point of view, hatred of the West, an idea that we are impure and we have to purify ourselves, and a glory, a glorification of death.
	Himmler wrote that the Muslims have the right idea.
	They tell their people that if they die, they're going to go into a paradise and have, you know, Himmler said two virgins, but I guess 72, it's been inflation or something.
	So, and Himmler idolized this thing.
	This idea.
	He said, that's what we need.
	We need soldiers like that because that's what soldiers believe.
	That's what troops can relate to.
	Fight and die and go to a glorious reward.
	Himmler understood there was a lot of similarity between the two methodologies and they had some general identification with philosophy.
	They both believed in the same general things.
	Now he didn't care much for Muslims.
	There's a couple places that I need to ask you about because, first of all, you say on the one hand that there's very little interest in the Muslim countries in ISIS and in sort of joining the jihad and ISIS. And I would agree with you after traveling myself a great deal in the Middle East.
	But at the same time, we know that ISIS is funded.
	I have whistleblowers like Scott Bennett, who talks about the money funneling through the Swiss banks, the CIA. Even Israel seems to have a hand in informing ISIS and keeping it alive.
	And there seems to be another game afoot, aside from what you're talking about, because philosophically, How can ISIS survive if the very countries in which it's fostered don't have any interest in it?
	In other words, I know that there's a huge unemployment, for example, in the Middle East, that young men have no way of making a living, and they have nothing to do.
	So they are perfect sort of fodder for this war machine that the West, I believe, and, you know, it's being orchestrated, in other words, being pushed, in essence, from the West.
	Now, the Nazis, by the same token, you say they hated the West, but actually, with Project Paperclip, All the Nazi scientists came to the U.S. The ones that didn't come here went to Argentina, as you know, and then some went to the USSR, Russia, and some also ended up, of course, in Britain.
	There may be a few other places on the globe as well.
	You know, it's like a complex pot, and I have to say that also, and I'm sorry to throw this other question in there at the same time, but I know that people are wondering about it.
	The protocols of Zion, I have heard that it's a hoax, and yet there are so many people out there that believe it's true and accurate.
	And so we've got kind of, you know, there seem to be some counter information out there to what you're saying, which at the same time, I think that what you're saying is correct.
	So can you maybe throw some light on that?
	Well, a couple of things.
	In the first place, paperclip.
	If you were a German, you did not want to be captured by the Russians.
	The Russians lost over 20 million people in World War II. That's a huge number.
	That's more than half or roughly about half of all the lives that were lost in World War II were lost by the Russians.
	When they went into Germany, and especially when they went into Berlin, no German was safe.
	So the German scientists wanted to go anywhere except Russia, so they went to the United States.
	That didn't mean they suddenly became loyal, hard-working Americans, patriotic and loyal Americans.
	Far from it.
	As I talk about in Hitler Legacy, a lot of the paperclip scientists basically were still in communication with their colleagues behind the Iron Curtain.
	They were sending information back and forth.
	They were sabotaging our space program in the early days.
	We couldn't trust them.
	They suddenly didn't become Americans.
	They were grateful to get out and not be captured by the Soviets, so they probably made some concessions.
	But for the most part, these were diehard Nazis.
	So I don't really think they were flag-waving Americans, really.
	Aside from that, you also mentioned the protocols.
	I was in Indonesia in 2007, and I met a man called Abu Bakr Ba'ashir.
	This was the man who was responsible for the Bali bombings of 2002, and the bombing of the JW Marriott in Jakarta a little bit later.
	Here was a terrorist leader, one of the founders of Jama'a Islamiyah, which was a sister organization of Al-Qaeda.
	This was a rabid terrorist, kind of a minority figure in Indonesia, got thrown in jail because of the Bali bombings, got thrown in jail again because of JW Marriott, got thrown in jail again because of attempted assassination of the president of Indonesia.
	So this guy's been in trouble.
	He's been in and out of prison constantly.
	He never actually fired a gun or set a bomb himself, but he was the spiritual leader of the movement.
	I met him.
	With a group of psychologists for peace that we're meeting there.
	I sat very close to him right across the table.
	And I heard him bring up the protocols of the learned elders of Zion.
	And I heard him bring up the worldwide Jewish conspiracy.
	And if you know Indonesia, you know there are not enough Jews in Indonesia to have a minion, to actually have a religious service in a synagogue.
	There is one synagogue that I know of in the entire country and it's empty.
	So the idea that there's a Jewish conspiracy to control Indonesia is kind of ludicrous on its face.
	And the presence of Nazi agents in that country was known to me.
	And they've been there since the 1930s, when they set up Nazi cells among the expatriate community all over Indonesia.
	So they were there disseminating these stories of the protocols back in the 1930s.
	And there's a lot of people there in Indonesia who still believe this is true.
	And I've had Arguments with Indonesians, not Nazis and not terrorists, just Indonesians, regular Indonesians, educated people who think the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is true because it's been published and translated and produced in copies all over the world.
	I have copies of it in Indonesian, in Spanish, in various languages.
	It's one of the best known books ever.
	That and Henry Ford's The International Jew.
	These are two documents that you'll find everywhere in Indonesia, everywhere in South America, and it's being promoted constantly as if it's true.
	So this is the kind of propaganda that has been going on since the war, since before the war.
	And when you talk about CIA, you realize that CIA helped a lot of these people to escape.
	They basically put Reinhard Galen in charge of Their intelligence operations against the Soviet Union.
	Reinhard Galen, a famous general in Nazi intelligence, then later became the head of West German intelligence.
	The connections between our intelligence agencies and the Nazis has been very close in some cases.
	We helped Klaus Barbie escape to Bolivia after the war.
	We ran the ratlines virtually on behalf of the Nazis.
	Throughout the 1940s and 1950s, helping them to escape in collusion with the Catholic Church.
	So when you're looking for these connections, of course they're there.
	There was a bank in Switzerland, the Bank of International Settlements.
	The president of that bank was an American during World War II. And yet the money that was in that bank was Nazi gold.
	And here was a guy who would go back to the United States during World War II, at the height of the war, and reassure his investors, don't worry, Hitler's got everything under control.
	That was in 1943.
	So, we're talking about a different world, as I've always said.
	We are taught, these are the good guys and these are the bad guys.
	These are the white hats, these are the black hats.
	It's the old cowboy movie motif that we've been brought up on, as if there's only two players, there's the good guys and the bad guys.
	I'm here to tell you that is not anywhere close to the truth.
	There's all kinds of players, and they switch sides constantly.
	We never know what the true story is, and be very careful what you hear.
	Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers, as they used to say.
	Sure, but certainly, I don't know if you're familiar with Jim Mars' book, The Fourth Reich, and the fact that the Nazi scientists didn't just come here, but they actually...
	In a certain way, well, you could say they never lost the war.
	In a certain way, they are, I mean, I don't know if you know Jordan Maxwell, but he will tell you the symbolism even behind when Obama took office and he stood in front of, you know, the Brandenburg Gate, I think it's called, in Germany, and it had its photo taken and so on and so forth.
	That the Nazi imagery of the rising sun and the obsession with...
	Well, this gets into the occult side of it, having to do with the image of the rising sun, the focus on Marduk as being the sun, as being the Anunnaki, the return of Marduk and Nibiru and all of this.
	In other words...
	It's not quite so above board in sort of the way that people want to think about it when they are telling the so-called political story.
	There's always these undersides, and of course you're very good at uncovering the sort of more occult things connections of these things and at the same time of course we do have if Kennedy if the death of Kennedy was orchestrated from the Giza you know guys and they were in touch with a certain race of ETs you know it goes on and on and so what I'm trying
	to say is Where do you draw the line at this time?
	I mean, are you looking at the United States as basically the way I'm starting to look at it, certainly, as going down a very fascist road at this time?
	And that the battles that are being fought right now with using this sort of ISIS construction that isn't even...
	It's probably real.
	It doesn't have cohesion.
	It's made up of a lot of different disparate groups that have been causing war and various issues in various Middle Eastern and African countries for years now.
	So...
	Can you kind of wrap this up and at the same time Turkey becomes a very interesting focus when you get into looking at things like this because from what I understand Turkey plays a rather interesting role in the whole sort of because it's kind of a crossroads and this actually I think goes back to ancient Egypt and possibly before So
	do you see where I'm going with this?
	And all of it gets focused on the present day.
	And even we can talk about the Nazis.
	But there's no doubt whatsoever that the Nazis and the Catholic Church...
	And the infiltration in America and our institutions, possibly going back to the time of George Washington as well.
	In other words, it all kind of works together.
	Well, it does.
	My focus has always been on uncovering the documents and putting things in historical perspective.
	I'm a firm believer that the truth is out there.
	It takes a lot of work to find it, and you can only do it in these stages.
	The kind of deep The politics you're talking about is certainly what I've been writing around the circles of for a long time without trying to put forward my own personal point of view on it, because my personal point of view is not completely formed.
	I come across new documents, new connections, new people, new organizations, and I have to rearrange the mental map of who's doing what to whom.
	This happens all the time.
	This reorganization takes place constantly.
	So I do a lot of research on that.
	I'm involved in a very big project now, which touches on all of these subjects.
	The religious symbolism that you're talking about, especially regarding Turkey, of course, You know, Turkey is a major player in all of this.
	If we look back to the symbolic origins of some of what the Nazis were up to, we find that the Tula Society, which was the secret society out of which the Nazi party grew, whose symbol was the swastika, was formed by a man called Baron Sabatendorf.
	And Baron Sabatendorf was running operations for German intelligence in Turkey.
	He was very involved in what was going on in Turkey.
	He knew he got Masonic initiations in Turkey.
	Turkey was a very strange place even then, especially then perhaps, during the first years of the 20th century.
	It was replete with secret societies, with political societies, but also with esoteric orders and Masonic societies.
	And it was the place where some of the followers of Shabtai Zvi wound up, which was a Jewish messiah figure.
	And his successor, Frank, also wound up in that part of the world.
	These were people who were trying to find the secret behind Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, and form these strange organizations out there, strange religious organizations, messianic cults and all of that.
	Turkey was replete with that, and of course with Sufi orders and the dervishes.
	We're talking about a country that is isolated, in a sense, from other countries because of its language, Which is not really related to other languages.
	It's not European.
	It's not quite Central Asian.
	You're talking about a place where probably our oldest civilizations began.
	You know, we're talking about some of the oldest archaeological sites in the world found in Turkey.
	I've been writing recently about Sumer and Babylon and Mesopotamia.
	The stories about, you know, all of this fighting now is taking place based in Iraq.
	And Iraq is the cradle of civilization.
	Iraq is where we have some of the most famous archaeological sites, including those that were dedicated to Marduk, as you mentioned.
	Babylon was Marduk City, which is just south of Baghdad.
	Also, we have Nippur, Nineveh, a very important city to the ancient Sumerians and the Babylonians.
	This is a haunted house.
	You know, we have ISIS proceeding out of a haunted house, crawling all over these archaeological artifacts, blowing them up in some cases, destroying them.
	They're calling down on themselves, all sorts of weird karma that's building up because of all of this.
	And we don't know where that's going to lead.
	This was the origins of human civilization.
	We're in that part of the world.
	And that's where the part of the world is that's now being torn apart into pieces.
	So, is there a bigger story there?
	Oh yeah.
	Do I know exactly what it is?
	Oh no.
	Do I know the complete liniments of this thing?
	That's impossible.
	I need to study a few more languages and go on a few more digs before I can come back with some kind of a half story on this.
	But it is definitely part of the larger picture.
	We have to know the religious context, the cultural and linguistic context, the archaeological context of what's going on today.
	These things don't happen in a vacuum.
	You can trace their roots all the way back thousands of years.
	Okay.
	You know, I know we're keeping you for quite a while here, so I do want to let people ask their questions.
	And if the people listening would like to ask questions, please do put them in all caps in the chat as soon as possible.
	But what I want to ask you is to change gears actually a completely different way here and to actually ask you to examine the...
	Corporate and economic motivations, right, for what is going on in, well, for drumming up a war with Syria and in the Middle East focusing on Syria.
	Because I understand there's something to do with the Russians, the pipeline, oil for Syria.
	For Turkey, there's a lot being said about that right now, and kind of how the Russians are playing it.
	So can you address the economics of the situation?
	Well, oil is still king as far as money is concerned.
	The price of oil has gone down, we all know, but that can change in a heartbeat at any time.
	With more conflict in the Middle East, the price of oil would have to go up.
	But that's not really the issue.
	ISIS is making money on oil.
	They're also making money on antiquities that they've been smuggling out of the country.
	We have to understand that every time ISIS destroys a shrine or destroys a statue, the remaining statues that they control go up in value.
	So there's a method behind this madness.
	We see desecration of sacred sites.
	ISIS sees a very pragmatic way of raising the value of the antiquities they actually have in their possession.
	You can't replace antiquities.
	Once they're gone, they're gone.
	ISIS knows this.
	Oil is a different story.
	They can go in and out, or you can find a new oil field in some other part of the world.
	But these antiquities are irreplaceable.
	So you have the antiquities as a source of income, and you have oil, of course, as a source of income.
	But you also have taxes.
	They've been levying taxes on everyone in their areas.
	So trying to wipe out the finances of ISIS is going to be very tricky.
	You can bomb the oil fields all you want to, but ISIS doesn't really need much.
	They already have pretty much all the weapons they need.
	They pretty much have as many fighters as they'll probably need.
	There's been some attrition, but not enough to stop them.
	So in a geopolitical way, if we step back from it, what's ISIS doing?
	If they manage to drive up the price of oil, everybody benefits.
	That means the Saudis benefit.
	That means Iran benefits.
	That means everybody benefits if the oil prices go up.
	Maybe they like ISIS around just a little bit longer to make sure that happens.
	After all, the U.S. is trying to become oil or energy independent.
	That's going to put a big dent in the oil market.
	But China is there.
	And China has some connections in Iraq that I happen to know about personally.
	So China's been involved in the Middle East for a long time because of the oil.
	Now what deals is China signing with people like ISIS? How is the oil coming to China?
	They need the oil more than we do.
	They have over a billion people.
	That's a lot of automobiles.
	They're one of the world's largest polluter right now.
	They need that oil.
	There have been times when there's not been enough oil in China, and there have been oil-free days where cars were not allowed to go on the streets.
	So they are in a desperate need for energy.
	So they're cutting deals that we don't really talk about.
	And then there's using the deal with Iran as a kind of backdoor to cutting deals with Russia, because the Iranians and the Russians talk all the time, as do the Syrians and the Russians.
	So the United States can use these countries as ways of talking to our so-called opponents or enemies.
	Russia's not exactly an enemy right now, but they're on the verge of being one.
	And our backdoor relations go through the Middle East to Russia.
	Not just through Europe, but heavily through the Middle East.
	And Russia wants a quid pro quo.
	They want to have their price of oil raised as well.
	Their ruble has taken a terrible hit in the last year because the oil prices have dropped.
	They want to get that oil pipeline right across Crimea and to the rest of Europe.
	They have a lot of geopolitical, you know, designs that they want to have put forward.
	And what's going on in the Middle East doesn't really bother them.
	You know, it's not really an issue for them.
	And we go crazy because we get an attack by two people in San Bernardino and we're ready to invade Syria.
	I mean, does that make any sense at all?
	You know?
	Okay, but actually, that's another kind of problem, because it actually wasn't two people.
	It was three guys, and they were commandos.
	Probably, it begins to look like the same guys who were involved in Paris and in other false flags around the globe.
	This is, again, something that Ole Damogard is tracing.
	And we have an excellent Rundown by James Fetzer and Scott Bennett recently on Scott's show in which Fetzer really lays out the false flag elements of San Bernardino.
	So where does the false flag element play in here?
	I mean, we've got Sandy Hook, no children were killed apparently there.
	That whole thing was a false flag.
	Now, we know they want to gather the guns from, you know, they're always using getting rid of the guns, getting Americans to give up their guns.
	And, of course, James Fetzer made a very good point having to do with the fact that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.
	And sure enough, that's exactly how it works.
	The black market will always operate.
	And if individuals can't protect themselves, then there's also the thought that there's a takeover plot or there's something about taking down America, not just economically, but also in terms of dividing the country and perhaps allowing it to be invaded by, say, if you look at the long game, maybe China, depending on your point of view.
	I have a witness, Cameron Faley, who tells me They're looking at creating a World War III, but they think they're not aiming it to happen.
	He's getting this information from The City of London, he's a banker, a techie banker who worked for Illuminati.
	He's a Kurdish man, very interesting guy, very well-read, religious scholar, and he's got all kinds of theories, and he believes he's in touch with certain intelligences, and he's getting information there as well.
	But he's being told they don't want to start the actual war, the real world war.
	Until China is supposedly ready.
	We're told by one of our whistleblowers, Henry Deacon, also known as Arthur Neumann, like eight years ago, before any of this was talked about, he said they plan to embroil China in a world war in the Middle East, and the target will center around Syria and Iran, etc., but that it will happen sort of stealthily.
	Do you know, are you following the false flags and are you picking up the clues in that way, for example?
	Well, I think sometimes it seems to manipulate our ideas as to what's really going on.
	I've had this conversation with people Talking about ISIS, for instance, and what happened in Paris.
	And my response to that has been, we have to stop and take a breath here for a second.
	What does ISIS gain by bombing anything in France, by killing anyone in France?
	If they're a military operation, If they believe they're the caliphate that's going to spread from Saudi Arabia across North Africa, etc.
	What territory have they won in France?
	What land have they taken?
	There's no military objective for them, as there was no military objective in San Bernardino.
	These are not military objectives.
	They haven't won anything.
	All they've done is create an atmosphere.
	So we have to look at that atmosphere and ask ourselves, who benefits?
	From that atmosphere.
	Now, back years ago, I was in Kuala Lumpur when 9-11 took place.
	So I'm in Malaysia in a Muslim country.
	And 9-11 takes place and all of that.
	My first reaction, of course, is, you know, I know how we're going to react to this.
	We're going to react with violence.
	We're going to bomb the hell out of someplace just, you know, to make us feel better.
	I understand that reaction and 9-11 also didn't win any territory.
	It didn't progress Al-Qaeda's goals of getting us out of Saudi Arabia or the Middle East.
	Just the opposite happened.
	So what is behind these actions?
	These are actions of propaganda.
	They're intended to manipulate our consciousness.
	They're intended to manipulate our points of view.
	They're intended to manipulate our actions.
	And we act upon a very basic foundation, which is fear and paranoia.
	Security is everyone's most important thing.
	You have to be alive in order to do whatever it is you want to do.
	So we react from this position of paranoia.
	We're being manipulated this way.
	When 9-11 happened, I didn't get involved in the how did it happen, who did it, was it an Israeli plot and all this other stuff.
	I stood back and I said, listen, regardless of any of that, which we will never know, look at it from the point of view of who benefits.
	This was a Reichstag fire.
	You know, Hitler, when he came to power in 1933, the Reichstag, the German parliament, was set on fire.
	He blamed the communists that allowed him to take over the country through fear.
	Look out, there's communists coming, give me all the powers, I'll take over the country.
	When 9-11 happened, essentially the same thing happened in the United States.
	We gave George Bush these tremendous powers, invaded privacy, the NSA, the FIFA, the whole thing started happening.
	FISA, excuse me, FIFA's another problem.
	And so all of these things took place and, you know, we willingly gave up our privacy and a lot of other things for our security.
	Now we're in the same position once again.
	Once again, no one's taken any territory.
	No one has captured any American land, right?
	Nothing like that has happened.
	No one's taken any European territory.
	ISIS has blew up something in another city, hundreds and thousands of miles away from where they're based.
	What does that mean?
	What's that for?
	You have to ask yourself, why?
	What is it?
	And what is it?
	It's a manipulation of our feelings, a manipulation of our consciousness.
	They're trying to get us to do things their way or to do things in a certain way.
	And I think we should resist that impulse as strongly as possible.
	We don't know what's going on.
	The questions you're asking me at this point are kind of unanswerable.
	You're going to be getting information from various sources that are going to contradict each other.
	So the best thing to do is to sit back and say, I'm not going to be moved.
	I'm not going to do what it is you want me to do.
	I'm not going to succumb to this idea of paranoia, because that paranoia is manipulated.
	We have people in this country and around the world who are experts in manipulating fear and paranoia.
	That's all they've done.
	They've made careers out of it since MKUltra, since Operation Bluebird, and all those things.
	They've understood how that works.
	They understand how to manipulate public opinion.
	The people who created our advertising agencies, the Mad Men of the 1950s, they all cut their milk teeth on psychological warfare operations in Europe during World War II. These people were intelligence officers who were experienced in manipulating people's feelings.
	They came back, they created Madison Avenue, and they created advertising.
	They decided to do it to us, what they had done to the populations in Europe to help win the war.
	So we have to understand that we are being manipulated.
	Doesn't matter by who or what the purpose is, we have to make sure that we resist this manipulation as much as possible.
	Right, and very well said.
	The one thing I do want to clarify, though, is, again, when we're talking about ISIS, you know, I hear you referring to them As if they did this, they did that.
	But just because they are saying they did it, we know they're a formation of the CIA. We know where they were trained.
	We know the background that created them.
	And we know that this formulation has players that are going around the globe that are also doing these false flags.
	And they do it Systematically in various countries, Tunisia, tourist places, when they don't want people to travel, when they want to keep people out of Africa, which has been a drive for a very long time now.
	They don't want tourists going to Africa.
	They don't want people to see what's really going on in Africa.
	And so they're getting people to look the other way.
	They're getting people paranoid, so they're getting people to consider giving up their guns, as I say.
	But it isn't actually ISIS doing these things.
	This is when you really get down to it.
	They're not even on the soil.
	They're not even there.
	As it happens.
	It's labeled ISIS. It's this amorphous whatever, whether it's an amorphous Al-Qaeda.
	I mean, the 9-11 bombings, all of this, this was orchestrated at a very high level in the military industrial complex in America.
	So, you know, I know that we're talking about various audiences that listen to this sort of thing, right?
	Right.
	But for the people that do, you know, my audience, who does understand for the most part that putting out these false flags is, yes, advertising.
	It is a propaganda war.
	They are moving populations.
	They are asking you to look here when they conduct something else over here.
	So there's a distraction element as well.
	It's, you know, it's pretty all-pervasive, but mind control does seem to be a big key.
	And again, in my recent interview with Mark Richards, he talked about Kennedy wanting to blow the lid off the CIA mind control platform.
	That was about to be put into effect when he was in Dallas.
	He was going to expose that, at least according to Mark Richards.
	He was going to expose the plans to mind control college students around the United States.
	Well, what appears now is that mind control is basically not only electronic and scalar, but that they are actually escalating it to a theater-like scenario.
	And certainly false flags have been getting countries involved in wars now.
	Right.
	Gulf of Tonkin.
	I mean, you can bring all these elements, certainly the bombings and what happened in France.
	What did the French people do exactly what they thought they would do?
	You know, the heads of state.
	They launched their planes to go bomb Syria.
	That was their response to those attacks.
	So this is what they wanted.
	They wanted France on board and I'm told by certain whistleblowers they wanted France not to be looking to Russia, to be taking their eyes and their interest in Russia away and to focus them on the ball, so to speak.
	Are you getting a global elite?
	Are you getting an overarching Albeit splintered, albeit factionalized, etc., etc.
	But are you starting to focus on the larger picture in this sense?
	And the fact that we have something more, I guess, systemic, you might want to say, that goes way back in time, that has ulterior sort of program in mind, Are you at all looking at some overreaching sort of scenario when you're doing your investigations?
	Well, as you know, I follow wherever the evidence takes me.
	I try not to create a scenario before I go into the research.
	I try to just to see what the research says, what the documents say.
	If there is A global elite, and if it's been around for a long time, they just haven't done a very good job.
	Nobody seems to be in control.
	And if somebody is in control, what could the endgame be if the world is as splintered as it is?
	Why isn't Russia part of it?
	Why would we want to divide France from Russia, for example?
	Isn't there an elite in Russia that is on the same page as the elite in France or in the United States?
	Who's cooperating with whom?
	And who are we?
	You know, what is our position then in this situation?
	You and I and the people watching this.
	Are we part of the elite?
	Because some people claim that we are.
	Some people will make that assumption because we're in this country and we can do all of these things.
	We're part of the problem.
	Or are we part of the solution?
	You know, do we understand that there's something greater going on and what steps can we take against it?
	Our problem is we're playing with smoke.
	and it's smoke and mirrors and sometimes it's a false flag operation and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and trying to find out what is real and what isn't is part of what i write about all the time it's trying to penetrate behind things that are taking place to see what is really going on and to do that you know you have to get out And you have to go out there as you've done.
	You've got to go to different countries.
	You've got to talk to people.
	You've got to get a feel for what's taking place.
	And then you can sum this action or that action.
	But if this is a long game, if this is a long game like a chess game, at what point in the game are we?
	If we're still in the middle of the game, we don't know what the end game is.
	We can't see two or three moves ahead.
	So we're just reacting and reacting and reacting to whatever they throw at us.
	There's got to be a point at which we can stand and look in the distance and figure out what the next three or four moves are going to be and play accordingly.
	Do we have the power to do that?
	Do we have the capability of doing that?
	I think no one realized what Something like the internet was going to do as far as empowering people to start doing things, making connections, building communities across international boundaries.
	But is that enough?
	I mean, I've worked in international trade for years, so I traveled for international business, and I've talked to CEOs and people in different countries, and they see the world quite differently than you and I. They, again, don't see black hats and white hats.
	The economic powers you're talking about Operate from a different frame of reference.
	They're moving the pieces around themselves to benefit themselves.
	So there's competition between them as for larger pieces and larger pieces.
	Then at a certain point, the CEO of this company and the CEO of that company are fraternity brothers.
	You have that whole skull and bones thing that happens.
	That doesn't make any sense.
	When you had George Bush and John Kerry both running for president, and they were both bonesmen, you know?
	They were both members of Skull and Bones, of which there were only less than 1,600 on the planet at any given time.
	What are the odds of having two bonesmen running for president?
	And would it have been any different, you know, between a Bush and a Kerry presidency?
	Yes, in certain cases it would have been.
	But how would they have been similar?
	And that's what the key is.
	How would they have been similar?
	We have to go back and really look at that political program again, try to find out what things they had in common to understand what the agenda would have been of Skull and Bones, as an example.
	Okay, well, absolutely, and well said.
	I can say that, no doubt about it, certainly that is no accident, and there are no coincidences in reality.
	So what happens is something is being orchestrated there.
	And again, at a very high level.
	And this is also my quest, is to sort of uncover those levels and to expose the overall agendas of the various parties who are involved.
	But humans, of course, are being manipulated at the bottom level.
	And across the globe.
	And people at this time are getting their emotions very sort of wrapped up in thinking they know exactly what the truth is and who the enemy is, so to speak.
	And unfortunately, the enemy is usually on the lower levels and has nothing to do with the people that are orchestrating the actual game as it happens.
	And this is part of the problem.
	Now, what I want to do here is ask the viewers, if they have any questions, to put them in the chat in all caps.
	And then I will ask you, read them out loud.
	I know we've kept you a bit longer than you were planning.
	Do you want to cover, while we have the time, perhaps synopsize your latest investigations to sort of tantalize people as to What you are writing about now, because it does have to do with the underpinnings in a more occult way, and I'm very interested in what direction you're taking all of that.
	So can you talk about your latest work?
	I can talk about my latest published work.
	As far as the project I'm involved with today, I can't really get into it at the moment.
	More of that will be revealed probably the next few months, but right now I am under contractual obligation not to talk about it.
	But let's say you can look at it as a kind of sinister forces Sequel, in a way.
	So it's going to be very ambitious.
	It is very ambitious.
	I've been working on it this entire year, pretty much day and night.
	So it's an interesting project.
	But the last book that I came out with is called The Tantric Alchemist.
	And it's about, it's the true story of a Welsh alchemist of the 17th century and his wife, who were engaged in the pursuit of the Philosopher's Stone.
	And they wrote, or he wrote, a number of texts about alchemy, which are very strange, very bizarre, as alchemical texts are, but in his case, even more so.
	And I was drawn to the study back in 1968, when his writings were published, re-edited, and republished with a foreword by Kenneth Rexroth.
	Kenneth Rexroth was the famous beat philosopher of the 1950s and 60s, sort of San Francisco era, Lawrence Ferlinghetti, you know, Allen Ginsberg, that kind of era.
	And he was a very sharp guy.
	He studied Zen Buddhism and Eastern religions a great deal.
	And in 1968, when I was 18 years old and I read the foreword to this book that he wrote, he pretty much tantalized me to go on this Mission to find out what really happened to Thomas and Rebecca Vaughan, these two alchemists.
	He linked it to Chinese alchemy.
	He linked it to Tantra.
	He linked it to yoga.
	Psychobiological processes, all of this.
	This is part of what we've been talking about, but in a sort of nuts and bolts kind of way.
	And so since that time, I've been researching it.
	I went and studied Chinese in order to read some Chinese texts that had not been translated yet.
	I mean, these are the kinds of things that I got led to do because of this one essay in front of this one book when I was a teenager.
	So that led me on to this quest to find out what was Thomas Vaughan really writing about.
	And in doing so, I found a way to decode alchemical texts that were written in Europe in the Middle Ages, things that are very difficult to understand for us today, but which have a coding system which can be penetrated.
	And it was Thomas Vaughan and Kenneth Rexroth who led me there.
	So the Tantric Alchemist is just that.
	It's an analysis of these works from the point of view of Tantra and yoga and Chinese alchemy and breaking it apart and trying to reveal sometimes very startling similarities between his work and works that he couldn't possibly have known about that were written in China or in India at a time when the translations were not available.
	So, that's what I've been working on most recently.
	And that book came out not too long ago.
	So, you know, Tantric Alchemy, Nazis.
	You know, not really related, really.
	But in my brain, for some reason, they are.
	So, there you go.
	Yeah, I wouldn't be a bit surprised.
	Very interesting.
	Alright, well, again, that sounds like a book worth definitely buying.
	Okay, so I have some questions here in the chat, so I'll just run through them and you can answer them.
	You know, it's up to you how you want to deal with the questions.
	I realize that at this point you probably...
	I feel that you've devoted quite a bit of time to this, and I don't want to run over too long, but I would like to give the audience a chance to ask you and to have you reply.
	Hopefully, if I ask you a question that you feel you've kind of already answered, then feel free to say that so that the person who might have tuned in a little later can go back to watch this a little later once it's repeated on YouTube at their demand.
	So with that, I'm going to look at what's here and see what we can gather.
	It looks like somebody is asking you if you believe that ISIS is run by D.C. By D.C., I guess they mean Washington D.C. I find it hard to believe that ISIS would be directly managed by anybody in Washington.
	If ISIS is in fact a false flag operation, there are going to be layers of cutouts between ISIS and anybody in our government.
	It's going to be really hard.
	I mean, you know, tradecraft Mandates that there'll be enough cutouts that there's, you know, plausible deniability, as they used to say during Watergate.
	So that's what you're not going to be able to find it that easy.
	You can speculate about it and try to find out, as I always say, who benefits most by any given political action.
	But as far as right now, knowing if DC is running anything, you know, if they are, there's really a lot of cutouts between them and ISIS. Sorry, I'm muting myself.
	Someone wants to know, are you aware of the depopulation agenda?
	I know that's what Jim Mars has been writing about, I believe.
	I talked to him about that some time ago, I think.
	His new book is out on that.
	There may be a depopulation agenda, but we already have about 7 billion people on the planet, so I don't know how well it's working.
	The populations in Africa, a CIA report was released not too long ago saying that they had predicted about 15 years ago that by now there would be a tremendous decrease in the populations in Africa, and it looks as if they were completely wrong.
	There's like a doubling of populations in Africa, which may be counterintuitive since all the news we get about Africa is always about violence and bloodshed and civil wars, but evidently Maybe things are not as bad as they seem on the media.
	Maybe Africa is a healthier place than we thought it was.
	So I haven't been to Africa very much, so I can't really talk about that aspect.
	But I can't really address it better than Jim Mars has.
	And in order to really look at it, you have to really go through a lot of the statistics that Jim puts out in order to get a picture of it.
	Okay, that, yes, very interesting question, really.
	Okay, someone wants to know if you have an ET contact.
	If I have an ET contact?
	No, but I think I've written about this in other places before.
	I never had an ET experience or an ET contact at all.
	But I have had a Men in Black experience.
	And the Men in Black did show up once, and I don't know what the hell they wanted from me.
	It was just very mysterious.
	And I call it my Men in Black experience because I have no other way to describe it.
	I was living in New England.
	I had just come from shopping.
	I had driven my car into my driveway, unpacking the car.
	I look up and I notice there's an old model black Cadillac parked right in front of this house in a rural area.
	And the driver is aiming a wide angle lens at me.
	So I got a little angry about that.
	I put down the packages and I go to confront these people, you know, just automatically.
	And the car pulls off, peels off.
	So I get angry.
	I go back to my car.
	And I'm going to chase them.
	This is just how I felt.
	I must have been angry that day or something.
	So I get back in the car.
	And I can't pull out because another car shows up, pulls into my driveway, and blocks me from leaving.
	Out of the car exits two young women who look vaguely like Mansenoids, you know, sort of very pale, slightly, slightly Asiatic in appearance, wearing cloth coats And they get out of the car to ask me directions.
	Now, nobody gets out of a car and stands there to ask directions, right?
	They get out of the car to ask me if I know where so-and-so lives.
	Well, there is no so-and-so.
	This name, actually, as I found out later, does not exist in that state.
	There was no such person by that.
	That family name does not exist.
	Not in that part of the world.
	But they sort of plucked it out of my brain because I knew the name from a different context, right?
	They get back in the car, they take off, and of course, by now, it's too late for me to chase the other guys.
	I don't think to chase them, right?
	Because to me, they were just, you know, an unfortunate obstacle, an unfortunate coincidence.
	They stopped me from leaving and chasing them.
	It was only after, like, five minutes, the penny dropped, and I realized I was being kept from chasing the guys in the black car by these very people.
	Well, I've talked about this to other people.
	I mentioned it, for instance, to Timothy Good, you know, who's written about UFOs and this sort of thing, and he thinks it's, you know, kind of a classic example.
	I don't know.
	It's the only experience I had until years later, more than a decade later.
	I'm in Singapore, in the airport, in Changi Airport in Singapore, and I'm dragging my suitcase through the airport.
	And as I do so, somebody hits me on the shoulder.
	Someone taps me on the shoulder, which is bizarre, and I turn around to see who it is.
	And it's one of the women who had stopped me from leaving my driveway that day.
	And they sort of wave, and I turn around, I start to follow them, and they're gone.
	In the middle of a busy airport in Singapore.
	So that's my men in black story.
	I don't know what any of that meant.
	This happened during the time of the first Gulf War, if you want a timeline.
	I have no idea what it means.
	I don't know why this would have happened to me.
	I don't think it was an intelligence operation, two cars, four people.
	That's like a lot of money to spend on somebody who was doing nothing of any intelligence value at all.
	So I don't know.
	So I call it my man in black experience.
	Well, okay, it definitely qualifies.
	I can tell you that.
	So I think people will get a kick out of that.
	I would just say, was there anything...
	Because you do research the occult and mind control and all of these very dark areas, there may have been some sort of...
	Well, they wanted you to become aware that you are being watched, in essence.
	So do you feel, I mean, along those lines...
	You must know about the incredible surveillance society we're living in at this time.
	Are you feeling that you are surveilled, and are you getting any other indications of that sort of thing?
	Oh, you know, on and on.
	I mean, I was on the list at the airport.
	And I never knew what that was for.
	You know, my name is unusual, so it's not a question of mistaking me for someone else with a similar name.
	There is no one with a similar name, oddly enough.
	And for about a year or longer, my boarding passes were always printed with those little four S's on the bottom.
	And as soon as the trans at the TSA people saw that, they would pull me off of the line, take me to a separate room for separate screening.
	They would screen me for Gunpowder residue in the whole nine yards.
	And of course, they will never tell you why.
	They will never tell you what agency put you on that list.
	At that time, there was only about 20,000 Americans on that list.
	So I was a member of a kind of small elite group of people, but I never knew why.
	And then I was taken off, just as inexplicably.
	Around the end of 2008 to the beginning of 2009, I was taken off the list.
	So I don't know.
	I don't know, you know.
	If that's surveillance, then yeah, sure.
	Okay.
	Someone wants to know what you know about Planet X, if anything.
	Is that the reference to Zacharias and all of that?
	Well, take your pick.
	Some people call it Nibiru.
	Some people call it Lately.
	I've got Clark McClellan talking about a Dyson sphere, tugging a brown dwarf with it.
	I think, you know, it's kind of like a bin.
	You could put a number of planetoids in that category, depending on your perspective.
	I guess people want to know, do you have any thoughts in that area?
	I have nothing of any value to contribute to that discussion, I'm afraid.
	It looks like that's it.
	I don't see any further questions, so it looks like you're off the hook, so to speak.
	It's been delightful and fascinating talking with you.
	If there is anything else, whether going back to the Kennedy assassination or any other area that we've covered that you might want to say something about before we close this down, Please feel free.
	And again, I want to thank you very much for being my guest.
	Well, it's my pleasure.
	Glad to be your guest.
	I can't think of anything we haven't covered, actually.
	We seem to have covered a lot.
	So I'll have to recharge my batteries and think of something else for next time.
	Okay, great.
	It would be great to have you back.
	I think that no matter what you're talking about, whatever you're investigating, everything you're doing is so really fascinating.
	My door is always open.
	If you have some new evidence, if you have some new When you're ready on this book that you've been working on, I guess, for the last year, it sounds like you might be publishing soon.
	Is that right?
	Sometime next year.
	I'm not quite sure when.
	All right.
	Very exciting.
	I can't recommend your work enough to the listeners and the viewers here.
	Thank you again for coming on the show.
	Thank you very much.
	You're very kind.
	All right.
	Okay, thanks everyone for listening.
	Have a great night and please do watch Project Hamlet TV. We do have two YouTube channels now and we have two websites.
	So enjoy the holidays and thank you for listening.
	I will be interviewing Sean David Morton next week sometime about his latest book, The third part of Sands of Time.
	And so that should be a fascinating interview as well.
	Alright, good night.

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