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May 24, 2013 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT: JOSPEH BUCHMAN, MODERATOR, CITIZEN HEARING
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I'll tell the truth.
And I will tell the truth.
And nothing but the truth.
And nothing but the truth.
To this committee today.
To this committee today.
Thank you.
Amen.
If you would go ahead and double-check all those cell phones and things that we could want, not only continue to have one or so go off with each session, we'd like to not have that happen at all possible.
Maybe once human beings have mastered that, the aliens will shut up.
I'm sorry, what was that about?
About the warfare scene.
The purpose is...
In the aftermath of World War II, several changes of enormous significance were made in America, domestic and foreign policy, which decided to keep the draft even in peacetime, despite a 175-year tradition in America against all forms of inscription.
Massive espionage and secret police organs developed as the pressure of World War II were kept and expanded.
After the troop reduction in the war, great military build-up was begun.
With increasing military budgets for increasingly costly and fancier weapons issues.
This was 42 years ago.
He's calling for dramatic proposals and in deceivancy, citizens' power to make law.
And this was written.
That's great.
So Mike has been on this road a long time.
And I interviewed him just briefly yesterday as well.
I got the photo.
Right, the young man.
With the big cigar.
Yeah, wow.
Yeah, what are you doing?
I'm fine.
So, would you say your name for the camera, please?
Joseph Cookman.
Okay, and your role here?
I'm, in a sense, playing the role of the Congressional Research Office.
Anything that they need found, looked up, whatever.
Or in the role of the staff assistant.
But you've also played something of a...
You've been here on the panel, actually, in the public eye.
So you're something of a spokesperson or a chairperson.
Well, it's not just me.
It was Danny Shane and I were both playing that role.
Kind of balancing.
Just being available to the committee as resources.
I won't say experts, but...
In legal matters, if the committee wanted to turn to Danny, they could, and if you have a background on any of the witnesses, they could turn to me.
Okay.
And I have a personal relationship with five of the six, because I'm the guy that offered five of the six the $20,000 if they'd agree to do this.
Really?
So I was the first one to make those contacts with each of them, with the exception of Carolyn Kilpatrick, who is a hero in my world because she responded to Steve's first land mail invitation that went out to about 64 members.
She agreed to do it, and then when we weren't getting a lot of response, And Steve and I were working on identifying what members to target during the Sundance Film Festival, which I felt was late.
Steve felt like he needed a website up and a witness list together before going to members of Congress.
That makes sense, too.
And it was still late.
So Carolyn chose on, and then Steve called and said, you know, I had run for Congress in 2008.
I worked for Gary Johnson's presidential campaign last year full-time.
The libertarian candidate.
Governor of New Mexico.
So Steve said, can you help?
And I got Merrill Cook.
And Merrill was the second congressperson, former member of Congress, to agree.
Steve said Merrill's perfect.
He'd been on the space subcommittee.
His son works for JPL. He worked for JPL at a high position.
I contacted Mike Gravel because Mike Gravel in 2008 had sought the Libertarian Party's presidential nomination.
Bob Barr won that nomination, unfortunately, in my view.
When I was a delegate at that convention, I got to know the senator and his staff.
So I reached out to Senator Gravel and he said, I'd love to do it.
Usually I do these things for free.
The first time I've been offered a decent honorarium and I can't do it, I'll be in Europe on a month-long cruise on an annual.
And the more we talked about it, the more interested he got.
And I said, call up Steve and see if in addition to the honorarium we can reimburse you for whatever costs you incur as a result of changing your vacation plans.
It took a couple weeks for that to fall in place, but Mike was, in essence, the third one.
Once we had three former members of Congress, then it was easier for the remaining members to decide to do it, because the concern of whom I'm going to be serving with was largely huge.
Sure, yes.
So, Darlene Hooley and Lynn Woolsey agreed almost at the same time.
So, I felt the committee was done at five, but one of the contacts I had made was Sherry Bollard, Sherwood Bollard, former The chair of the Intelligence Committee, who was considering doing this over a period of a couple of weeks, kept asking for more information.
And in the process of that, I also identified Roscoe Bartlett.
Actually, it was a friend of mine within the Libertarian Party who suggested Roscoe.
And Steve said, oh, five's enough.
We can't afford another 20 grand, you know?
And then we discovered Roscoe Bartlett's political action committee.
Want to guess its name?
He has a political action committee titled the Every Truth Be Told PAC. And it's like, you know, this is divine intervention.
He has 12 patents from when he worked for NASA on the breathing apparatus that got Neil Armstrong to the moon.
He worked with NASA as early as the Mercury.
You heard him talk about it today.
He was involved with the first primate launch in 1961.
So we added Roscoe as the sixth member, and that blew the budget.
Six ways to Sunday, but at least for Roscoe, he lives here.
By the way, Congressman Bartlett is commuting two and a half hours back and forth each way every day from his farm in Virginia to be a part of this committee.
Wow.
I'll tell you a couple of other background things, too.
I mean, these people are all heroes in my world.
First of all, Senator DeVille ended the draft with the filibuster during the Nixon administration.
He wrote the Pentagon Papers and the Congressional Record through the Buildings and Grounds Committee.
This man has been an advocate for a disclosure of the evils of government for over 50 years.
Right.
And he's tackled some of the most threatening aspects.
Darlene, her oldest sister died on Thursday.
She was here sobbing on Sunday to hold herself together.
Oh my God.
Okay.
Merrill Cook.
When I briefed him in his home, every door is locked from the inside out because his wife...
Camille is suffering from advanced Alzheimer's.
She's here in the room every day with the caretaker because he said, I won't be able to focus on the members of the committee unless I can see my bride and know she's okay.
He's her full-time caretaker.
Incredible.
Beautiful, beautiful man.
Well, let me say thank you for the background on the Congress people here because or ex-Congress people because They've got a 100% approval rating in my book, these things.
And there were rumors that they were being paid.
I think some people misinterpreted that.
I can certainly understand.
I mean, this is a full-time job.
We're trying to get Ron Paul, and Ron Paul would be great.
We didn't get through to make the offer, but it's my understanding, for something like this, he'd be charging $20,000 for an hour.
We couldn't have got him for under $100,000 for a week.
These people are putting in long days, and in my opinion, they're being fairly compensated.
They also, they didn't just do this for a week.
They got briefing materials a month ago.
They've been doing their homework.
Merrill is a scientist.
He's delved into this.
Congresswoman Gravel, as well as I think every member of the committee, has been spending weeks preparing for this, and you can see it in their relationship to the witness.
Well, I have to say that their questions have been excellent, by and large, and that they pushed the envelope very early on, much further than, I think, Stephen Bassett.
We've had questions like, what's the difference between a military junta and the United States government?
Asked of our witnesses by this committee.
Exactly.
So we're going into areas that were uncharted initially, I think.
They've transitioned from playing the role of people inquiring about the issue to the shift today of being helpful friends about what would be next.
And they see the impossibility of a real congressional hearing.
I don't know if you saw Congresswoman Woolsey's counsel for Linda Walton Howell earlier than that.
Which was, Ms.
Howell, if she could even get this in front of a committee, you're going to have five minutes.
Each member of the committee will have five minutes.
And they're not going to just invite y'all.
They're going to invite the detractors.
And some of those members aren't even going to ask for a question.
They're just going to show they're smarter than you by putting you down.
That's what a congressional, a real congressional committee would look like.
They don't take this kind of time to really get into it.
In that sense...
We're not duplicating the Congressional hearing.
We're giving them 10 minutes instead of 5.
We're giving the witnesses 10 to 15 minutes for statements instead of 5.
Well, actually, I was just talking to Paul Hellyer, and he certainly worked in government for many, many years, as you know.
And I have to take issue with the idea of going sort of the advice that came out today going to the United Nations.
Not that that ultimately wouldn't be a good idea, but I have to say that it seems to be shirking the responsibility and the sort of opportunity presented here, which is these are former congresspeople of the United States.
This is very much been sort of We know, and even evidence has come forward in this hearing, that the United States is in many ways commandeered the crash retrievals found around the world, made sure that they came under their purview, if not just took them wholesale.
We had testimony today that we flew a Brazilian on the space shuttle as partial compensation for being granted the materials that it cracked.
There you go.
So in a certain sense, the doorstep for this issue is the United States.
It is the Congress who have sort of shirked their duty, you know, to put it...
Oh, and not only on this issue.
Certainly.
This nation is $16 trillion in debt and driving toward bankruptcy as fast as possible.
That's treasonous behavior on the part of all 535 members, only a few of which, like Ron Paul and a handful of others, have even blown the whistle on, but they can't stop the train.
And if we are a democracy, then this country has to go back to its roots.
First of all, democracy is another form of tyranny.
That's just the rule by a majority.
Well, maybe so, but...
The genius of how this nation was set up was as a compound constitutional republic with inalienable rights that no majority could take away.
That was the genius of America.
And yet we've been brainwashed into calling ourselves a democracy.
Well, I don't blame you.
Semantics aside, you know what I'm saying?
Well, it's not semantic.
There's a real difference between a republic and a democracy.
I get it, and I've certainly heard that distinction.
That's the college professor in me coming out now, which I apologize.
No, it's all good.
It's all good, and that's worth stating.
But the bottom line is that as a republic that is supposed to be democratically inclined...
Protecting minorities, the individuals which have rights.
And speaking with the Constitution, which is...
You know, by the people, for the people.
In other words, we're really talking about that being circumvented at this time.
And so what I'm saying with this hearing is that this issue, this hearing, It's exposing the larger issue of the corruption of the government beyond just the simple narrow focus on UFOs.
The people lost control of military spending, of social spending, of buying votes, of all those nefarious behaviors that occur in a breaded circus-like democracy, which is what our founders tried to create checks and balances to prevent.
And the key role was a free press, which would blow the whistle on the abuses of the government.
Instead, what we have is a government-press partnership.
That's right.
To distract us from the evils that the government does.
Yes.
But we also have a Congress, who are elected by the people, supposedly, and who are supposed to be reporting back to them, basically...
I'm bringing their issues to the president, to the executive branch, and so on.
Congressman Bartlett pulled out the First Amendment and said, we've failed you.
This is a grievance that you've brought to our attention.
You have a constitutional right to redress.
But the Congress are not elected in reality by the people.
They're elected by how much money they can raise to generate the media to create the votes that will get them elected, and there you have it.
have that congressional media complex if you want.
Again, you're elected more by dollars than by votes.
Okay, fair enough.
I'm not saying anything new.
Fair enough, but to listen to the Congress people here, you can see that they do sort of consider their constituency to have a great sort of sway in their popularity.
It's true that these members attempted to serve them during their active time in Congress.
Yes, and respond to their needs, etc.
They did.
And I'm sure that that's sort of a moving target.
Even when someone is in Congress from time to time.
Not every member of Congress is responsive to the Constitution, especially in the United States Senate.
We heard that as well.
You want to get a response from your elected officials, don't go to your senator.
That was given as advice to Air Force officers who are suffering ill health effects.
But to get back to the issue at hand, what we've got here is a hearing, a citizen hearing here in Washington, D.C. It's to bring the matter to the attention of the Congress and the press.
So it's a joint effort, really.
To sort of suddenly turn, make a right turn and go into the United Nations with the whole issue, I think is going to be to take the water or to take the power out of the issue, the moment in history, this moment right now, when this issue, it's not a new issue.
And I have to say that the culture of secrecy that surrounds the UFO-ish issue goes into the secret space program, which goes into the use of energy, free energy, how it's used, how it's not used for our people, and the petroleum, the nuclear, etc.
In other words, it may be the doorway through which all of these things can be accessed.
And so, in essence, if you go to some place like the United Nations, first of all, the U.S., especially the cabal running the U.S., and I'm not going to mince words here, is not going to take orders from the United Nations if they can avoid it.
They've made that very clear in other issues.
And so, what we need, if you want secrecy, To be dispelled is we need to take this to Congress and Congress needs to respond to the matter and ask for more oversight of what has become a rogue civilization in essence operating simultaneously and parallel to this one.
In other words, there is a group of people that are even beyond the purview of Congress and this is very clear.
That are operating an entire, they're building underground bases, they're going to the moon and Mars, etc.
I mean, you must know some of this litany.
I don't know that.
You've already defeated your own argument by saying we should go to Congress to somehow get control of this black group that's external to Congress and wouldn't attend to them anyway, unless Congress might still have the power to pull funding somehow.
Right.
Well, it is a body within our government.
You know, checks and balances is what we put in place.
I mean, in other words, you've got the people, they can hit the streets.
Maybe someday they will.
That's different than what you just said, which, if I understood it correctly, was...
There is this organization, a cabal, that's independent of Congress.
Well, there is.
Somehow we could go to Congress to get control of it.
Well, because it's a war, is it not?
I mean, in essence, Congress still operates.
In other words, one has to sort of go at this sort of fight, if you will, to bring back the United States to some kind of point.
And that's why I'm a libertarian.
I'm chair of the Libertarian Party's platform committee because clearly the Demo-Publicrat Party.
It's not like there's two parties.
There's the one that's slightly pro-abortion and one that's slightly not.
On everything else they agree, especially in terms of military-industrial complex issues, There's no disagreement.
How is the last six years of the Obama administration, or going into the sixth year, fifth year, different than the Bush-Cheney term Ford?
In terms of foreign policy, military spending, domestic surveillance, there's no difference in the Republic.
So I absolutely agree with that.
On the UFO issue, First of all, I think it's absolutely praiseworthy that the committee, in tone, has shifted from evaluating evidence to attempting to provide helpful suggestions.
Some of the counsel about how Congress really works, which is you'll have to be there with people who will call you fools, and you won't have the time and you won't have the sympathy, perhaps, of the members of Congress.
So what else could you do?
And they're brainstorming, and I want to see more of that and not shut it down.
Plus, you could fight on multiple fronts.
Why not the United Nations and the Congress?
I think there's a real opportunity here as well for political action in other nations.
Perhaps there would be hearings in Brazil, hearings in France like this, but with the real members of their government.
And all it would take then is...
Gun camera footage from one of their military jets or incontrovertible witnesses that can somehow, you know, I mean, we're hammering at the wall of secrecy just like the Berlin Wall and there's chips flying off, right?
And this is a big deal.
This is the biggest hammer anyone's gotten on.
Steve Bassett deserves, well, look right at the world for having this idea that he can foresee the drama that would occur Between a UFO convention and members of Congress asking the question, how are y'all paying for it?
Each of these members has damaged their future earnings beyond the $20,000 for consulting or credibility or any future political life.
And they've all been willing to do it, which is why they tend to be older and retired.
Because when you have nothing left to lose, the truth becomes more important than your image, right?
So there's a possibility of other hearings in other governments, and I don't think that the United States can control every minute of gun camera footage or even some recovery of every potential extraterrestrial artifact.
So I have some hope.
And again, my hope is a world that lives with peace will stop freaking engaging in the primary economic activity of the planet of developing weapons and mass destruction to kill each other.
What kind of craziness is that?
How must we look to any benign to benevolent life that is out there?
And the animal mutilations and the aliens that may be here for nefarious purposes, I don't know about that, but I'm pretty convinced there's at least some benign to benevolent life that's out there.
And if they're looking at what we're doing on this planet, they're looking at a fairly...
We've advanced, in some respects, 7 billion people who are committed to killing each other on the planet as fast as possible.
Okay, well...
That's crazy.
Let me say this, because you are talking to Project Camelot, and I assume that you've never watched any of my interviews, but...
We saw you, and I mentioned to you earlier, in Sedona, you were there interviewing Steve back in 2008.
Okay.
James was there, and I was interviewing him.
All right, well, that was quite a few years ago.
I haven't watched everything you've done.
No, but I appreciate that you've seen anything at all.
But let me say that, from my point of view, in other words, human beings don't operate...
On their own.
So the wars here go back into the stars.
We're talking about races that are visiting this planet that have what I call humans that are related in DNA and boots on the ground.
And so you've got humans that are at each other's throats just like their predecessors, their progenitors.
How do you say that word?
Progeny is going down, progenitors going up.
Alright, whatever.
So the point being, in other words, we've got wars here for a reason.
It's not just some, you know...
Human failing.
Yeah.
And I don't know about that.
I've seen some of your...
Sure, and I appreciate that.
I saw you at Ryan Woods'...
Crash Retrieval Conference.
Oh, great.
I think the last one you guys were presenting.
Yeah, that was many years ago.
I don't know about that.
I don't know.
And we don't have to agree on that sort of thing, but what I always say is that at this point we have a playing field that people need to become more aware of, and certainly the Citizens Hearing is doing that.
It's pushing the envelope.
And the question now, going into day four or five, is what's going to happen in day six and seven?
What's next?
Wow, this was a miracle.
This was a miracle.
Yes.
This was a miracle.
There was no guarantee this would get pulled off.
When we had one member of Congress agreeing to serve less than a month ago, it didn't look too good.
I hear you.
And, you know, out of desperation, perhaps Steve asked for my help.
And, you know, I thought it would be great if we could get three.
And the six we've got are just stunning.
Well, and I have to say.
And there were, by the way, there were more that we started turning away.
That's awesome.
Once we got six, then everybody's like, wow, yeah.
Yeah, no, that's awesome.
The risk of looking foolish dropped significantly when people like Mike Gravel and Roscoe Bartlett and Mike, I should say, Maul Merrill Cook and Darleen Hulley all chose on.
So there's no risk to joining that group.
So what we've got to hear is traction.
And Congressman Kilpatrick.
I mentioned Congressman Kilpatrick.
Yes.
Okay.
No, you're doing great.
And I appreciate all that.
I'm going to leave her out.
I mean, obviously you've been a great asset to this effort.
And I appreciate your contributions, you know, sort of as a balancer for the whole effort and making sure things stay on track, so to speak.
Well, a little bit of it.
My little domain.
Okay.
Keep everything on track.
By the way, I tried to get one witness who's not here, which was Fife Simonton.
Steve's like, wow, you can do politics really well.
Of course, you can give me a bunch of money and help.
But couldn't get through to Fife Simonton at all.
Did you hear what I said on the first day, by the way, this mic out onto the stream, which was, you know, if you're a If you have one of those oaths or if you're a military contractor or you have a witness, you go ahead and get here by Thursday night.
Steve will want to interview you.
He'll make room for you on Friday.
Well, I wish you would have said that a little louder.
I mean, you know, the bottom line is I came here for the same reason.
If they're out there, they heard it.
Yeah.
And we've been saying it for a few weeks subtly.
All right.
Steve didn't want to make that a big deal because it could create a circus that would be too big to deal with.
Well, it's a circus I'd like to be a part of.
I'll bet you, when I told Steve, when he asked what's next, I'm saying, I'll bet as a result of this, when people see that it's credible and it's safe and there's no ill effects, that we'll have 40 never-before-heard witnesses coming for the next sentence.
That would be awesome.
Mike Revell is not going to let go of this issue.
This has now become an issue which has got his attention.
Excellent.
It sounds like some of the other members of the community want to continue to help us.
Well, let me just throw this out too, and you can maybe suggest this to them if I don't get a chance, because I am actually flying out tomorrow.
I will watch this.
You know, long distance, but my money ran out.
So, you know, I was able to come for this amount of time.
But at any rate, what happens is this group, if they decide to do anything individually, they need to also stick together as a group.
Because you are going to be stronger.
That way we don't have somebody disappearing or having a sudden heart attack and so on and so forth.
My suggestion to Steve was that we create at least a teleconference and perhaps get them all together again for a brainstorming session later in the summer about what's next.
Right, and to give birth to the next thing, whatever the effort is.
In other words, keep this momentum going, but also keep this group of people in contact.
And bring in more of their former colleagues.
Yes.
That would be awesome.
And they'll be doing, you know, there ain't no money in that.
There ain't no money to give them for that.
Whatever they do beyond that.
I also told Steve the other day, I don't know if I want to say this on camera or not, but it's not a big deal.
So I told him I wouldn't be surprised.
I'm not predicting.
But I wouldn't be surprised if one or more members of the committee don't just say, here's my 20 grand.
You keep it.
You're doing good work.
That's the nature.
That's the heart of the people that would show up to do this to begin with.
Well, let's just say this, and Camelot has already encouraged people to buy the stream.
I mean, it's dirt cheap, you know, and absolutely.
And after the fact, we will continue that effort.
But people can contribute in their way.
And as this gets established, I think more and more people will realize that, you know, if they want disclosure, we need to put our money where our mouth is, so to speak.
And people need to put their effort in that direction.
And where they put their money actually goes to move the ball down the field, if you want.
But I would say that this will be evidence of that.
This is evidence of that.
Back in the Sundance Film Festival, if you were asked to give money to the citizenry on the closure, it was sad.
Yeah, right.
Now...
We'll do what we can do.
Look at what we can do.
Yes, and what will also show some more evidence of that, hopefully, and I haven't had a chance to see what other press out there is saying, but we hope that some of the mainstream press has been participating, has been looking on, and will write credible articles.
They've got 40 more hours to not look foolish in the view of history.
Exactly.
I don't know whether open contact with extraterrestrial life will occur in my lifetime, but I'm confident that my great-grandkids are going to know that great-grandpa was on the right side of history.
There you go.
That's kind of who I'm talking to right now instead of you on that camera.
Thank you.
Well, look, I'm not going to keep you much longer.
It's been a long time.
It's a long haul.
You've done a great job.
Everyone has done a great job up here.
They've really put their heart and souls into the matter.
And that's all we can really ask at the end of the day.
And let's see where it goes from here.
But I know everyone's going to be very interested to listen to this and hear what you have to say.
So thank you.
Thank you.
colleagues' thoughts.
It's not so much that You're saying something on the record about your re-evaluation of this subject based on the knowledge that you're acquiring here and in your readings.
It's the cumulative effect of all of you and the people now serving in your positions that will make the change, but it must begin somewhere with people taking a stand like your good selves.
Thank you.
Thank you, Mr.
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