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May 23, 2013 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: A CONVERSATION WITH MICHAEL SCHRATT & UFO SIGHTINGS

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	United 93, you are clear for runway 27th.
	Hi, I'm Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and we're here with Michael Shratt and it's April 20th and we're just going to do sort of a casual conversation.
	He's got some new information that he's been putting out lately.
	We actually did a live stream that was interrupted a number of times so I'm hoping that we can get some of that information.
	Sure.
	Out on camera here where it will be a little less sort of loud and interrupted by a million electronic problems.
	So hopefully this will fly.
	So right now, just to start out with, we're about to be in the week preceding, first of all, the release of Sirius, which is Stephen Greer's movie.
	And the second thing is Stephen Bassett's citizen hearing on disclosure.
	And that's happening in Washington, D.C. at the Press Club.
	Correct.
	And that starts on, I believe it is April 29th through May 3rd.
	And I'm actually, I'm contemplating whether I can go.
	I don't know if I can afford it.
	For me, it's not so much even to hear the witnesses, although, you know, it's always fun to hear various military people talk about their experiences.
	Most of it will be known to me, but it's a great place to network and possibly For whistleblowers who happen to live in the Washington, D.C. area to approach me.
	So that's what I'm thinking of.
	In the meantime, let's just talk about, let's just bat this around a little bit, because I was just talking to a whistleblower about this, and we were talking about the fact that it can't be a coincidence that Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett are both releasing sort of heavy-duty disclosure items that All in the span of two weeks.
	That seems like it couldn't be a coincidence because to get those people at that location, we're talking $600,000 minimum to do that, to pull that off.
	So obviously, as we know, Stephen Bassett has been financed.
	He's been picked up.
	So Carrie, I want to ask you, do you feel that we are on a verge of a new horizon with disclosure?
	What's your impression?
	Oh, well, I'm turning the tables a bit.
	You know, yes.
	I mean, in a sort of general sort of way, but I don't think this is the disclosure, if you will.
	I think that this is just sort of another brick along the yellow brick road to disclosure, but I think that Camelot has been laying bricks along that line for a long time.
	Okay.
	And I think that our evidence is probably far and away...
	Going to exceed in terms of what we put out there, going way beyond sort of the pushing the envelope, I guess you would, you'll say.
	Because Stephen Bassett is playing a very straight and narrow line.
	He's trying to be very careful.
	Obviously, he's kind of playing to the audience that he feels he has, which is mainstream Washington DC and the Congress.
	And from what you're saying, even former members of Congress, not even current.
	And, you know, this is the kind of thing where you have to say, to some degree, it's being orchestrated.
	It's being allowed to happen.
	It's being sort of controlled, very tightly controlled.
	I think even the fact, if I was to show up there, I would throw, I could throw a wrench in the mix that they are not prepared for.
	Carrie, do you consider yourself a maverick, Carrie?
	Absolutely.
	You do?
	Yeah.
	Okay, and what would you say to the critics who would state, you know, Carrie, how is the government going to disclose things that they don't have access to?
	How would you answer that to the critics?
	That they don't have access to?
	That they don't have access to, yeah.
	How can the government disclose the truth about UFOs if they don't have access to those type documents and files?
	Well, the trouble that we have is that we have to talk about, we have to define government when we're done.
	Because you and I had just talked off camera briefly about, I guess it was Rich Dolan is now saying, it's not governments that are all about secrecy.
	It's proprietary company information, right?
	And there's some truth in that.
	I mean, there's no doubt about it.
	We know of Skunk Works.
	We know that they were way...
	Ben Rich was way ahead of the curve.
	Certainly this has been owned by companies and is being orchestrated behind the street scenes, given over to certain companies that get those contracts, military contracts.
	But like Eisenhower said, it's a military-industrial complex.
	He was read in.
	We know there are some presidents that are, some aren't.
	At this point, I have to say that Obama is pretty read in.
	He strikes me as a man operating on fear, and fear alone, as a result of what he has encountered and been forced to deal with.
	And so, I mean, when you're saying governments, well, maybe some members of Congress, you know, in the lower levels.
	It's always, you know, we're always talking about a power pyramid.
	And so the ones at the top of government, whatever you want to call that thing, government, I mean, certainly, well, we're talking Kissinger knows, you know, what's his name?
	Well, Darth Cheney knows.
	Darth Cheney knows, of course.
	Yeah, I was just going to say, and Richard Pearl knows.
	And I mean, there are certain people in the government who are very well-known players who know they've been read in.
	So when we talk about government, we just have to define what we're talking about.
	Now, I refer to the real government as being a secret government, and that's what we're dealing with.
	We had a coup.
	The most major coup we had was the death of Kennedy, and from then on, America was run by a cabal, in my opinion, and that cabal is certainly the Bush cabal, and what goes above the Bush cabal is always something we can always kind of Discuss and conjecture about.
	Carrie, you mentioned John F. Kennedy.
	I want to just do a sidebar very briefly here.
	What is your assessment regarding what Marilyn Monroe knew about UFOs?
	Oh, well, I think it's highly possible he shared, you know, pillow talk, however you want to look at that.
	And as a result, she probably was a danger to them because she was often on medication.
	And so she was a wild card.
	And you're aware that a day before, a day after she died, she was going to have a press conference.
	She was going to hold a press conference and tell all, she said, quote, tell all.
	The last person to speak to her alive was a Spanish researcher, and he said that she told him something that would, quote, Rock the world when it finally comes out.
	That has never been released to this time.
	But, you know, do you think she actually knew the secrets, perhaps things that JFK told her?
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Because one of the...
	I mean, you know, this is obvious to someone like me, but one of the ways a person in his position kind of enchants and enthralls young women is...
	Of course, there have to be certain kinds of young women, but young women that are highly intelligent.
	Contrary to what the popular belief is, Marilyn was highly intelligent.
	That's correct.
	She would have been tantalized.
	In other words, just small talk would not do it.
	She was interested in intellectual ideas.
	What he knows, he's going to share.
	That becomes part of the whole seduction process.
	There was a diary that she kept that the CIA, we believe, has recovered.
	What must be in that diary would be very telling, wouldn't it, Carrie?
	Sure, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So, but let's turn it around.
	And we need to go back to this original idea, which is, are we looking at the next two weeks, a disclosure As far as you understand it, what's your thoughts?
	As far as I understand it, I don't think we're going to have the big disclosure with the capital D, as you mentioned earlier.
	I totally agree with Richard Dolan's assessment.
	A lot of these programs, the truth about some of these projects, are so well buried within the military-industrial complex.
	Lockheed Skunk Works has such a monopoly on a lot of these projects.
	And congressmen, senators, high-level military Government officials, they probably wouldn't be read into these programs, so I don't expect anything monumental to happen at these meetings.
	I think we're going to see the status quo immediately afterwards, and I just don't see it being a breakthrough, Carrie.
	I just don't.
	Unfortunately, I wish it was something bigger, but I just don't.
	What do you think, Carrie?
	Well, I have to agree with you.
	Of course, I'm a little bit concerned about the lineup, as I mentioned.
	And not because I think that they aren't probably good people or good witnesses on a certain level.
	But again, I think there are limits.
	And this is where anytime somebody wants the disclosure to be happening because governments tell them something, in my view, governments lie as a matter of course.
	So anything they tell you is going to be a lie, even when they come out with so-called disclosure, saying there are other beings other than us here.
	They're going to lie about it.
	Now, I had a very interesting conversation with a whistleblower about this very subject, and that person said something which I thought was really, really interesting.
	He said that it's...
	Well, it was my analogy, and then we were building on what he said.
	But he was basically saying, they're fighting over who gets to disclose.
	In other words, who gets the final, you know, when you open the envelope at the Oscars, who gets to open the envelope and actually say the words, whatever it is.
	So you've got the Catholic Church, which is the Vatican, which is heavily, heavily in the running.
	Okay.
	And possibly pulling ahead with the election of the latest Pope who comes from Argentina, who has to inevitably, in my view, be associated with the Nazis in Project Paperclip and the underground bases in Argentina.
	It just seems absolutely, you know...
	It seems logical that he would be a member of that.
	Okay, Carrie, so if all these groups fighting to be first, what are they waiting for?
	Is there a trigger date that we're waiting for?
	Well, I mean, not to characterize it exactly as fighting to be first, fighting to be the ones in control and then the ones who get to go out in front once it becomes an inevitability that they have to tell the people.
	Now, there seems to be something going on That's requiring them.
	And even this whistleblower said to me, he hinted that there were events coming in the future that they were going to be in a situation where they had to disclose something.
	And so it's kind of like if you know a storm's coming, how close until the storm actually arrives at your door do you announce that maybe you should close the shutters or whatever it is.
	In other words, there's going to be a point at which they don't want to Put it out too late.
	At least this is the thinking.
	But they want to be able to, because it's all about control.
	They want to control and spin the message.
	That's what they do.
	They want to run the media as they always have done.
	And so in order to control all of that, they need to orchestrate it.
	And so we see Stephen Greer and Stephen Bassett's situation being...
	Again, steps along that road that they are orchestrating and holding the reins on very, very tightly.
	I have to say that my Camelot and my recent conference can also not be discounted here because this happened just two weeks ago.
	So if you wanted to look, one could even say, at the month of April 2013, we're looking at some Area of an opening in which, yes, they tried to stop my conference in every way possible.
	And then once the conference happened, what people don't know is how they attacked it, trying to actually make sure that it didn't get out beyond the very few people that showed up in person to actually attend the event.
	Yes.
	Very low turnout.
	But we streamed it.
	But then what happened was the person who was streaming the conference, his team were unable to For whatever reason that is still a mystery to do it worldwide so that the people in Europe would be able to see it at the same time or several hours later or so or whatever.
	There was this huge lag.
	I had to go and rescue my footage.
	I had to put it up there myself working night and day after the conference because otherwise it simply wouldn't have reached the audience that it has the potential to reach.
	That's all going on in the last two weeks.
	And so here we are Coming up on this two weeks, coming up.
	And my conference has been, of course, we had Henry Deacon, who's been to Mars, talking about his experience there.
	Now, he's gone into hiding since the first time he announced he was on Mars, which was back at the Barcelona conference.
	And I'm trying to remember what year that was.
	It's been like two years ago or three.
	So, since that time, he's been completely silent.
	Completely.
	He was shut down.
	We were asked to leave the stage.
	There was some incident that happened, and I'm not going to go into that here on this camera, but off the record we can talk about it, that sort of fits into this whole little scenario of what's going on.
	So what happens is I sort of disclosed on a certain level and my group of witnesses in a certain way But we were extremely fringe.
	And so now you're trotting out, you know, the Stephen Greer's movie Sirius.
	And again, this is, you know, getting a major notice, right?
	Sort of crossing into the mainstream, I think you would say.
	And then, of course, the citizen hearing, which I don't know if it's mainstream.
	I mean, I guess that remains to be seen.
	We have to see what happens.
	Someone else said to me, Recently, they said, you know, every time there's some kind of disclosure press conference, something happens in the news to take all the attention away.
	Of course.
	Look at where we are right now, Carrie.
	We're in the same position that we were just before 9-11 happened.
	After the May 9th disclosure, the plan was to take that Disclosure Project and go to all the congressmen and senators in Washington, D.C. and then 9-11 happened and all those plans were ruined.
	Do you think we're at that same thing?
	I mean, you more than anyone, Carrie, should have a good feel for this because you've traveled around the world, you've interviewed hundreds of people.
	Carrie, is this conference going to be enough to push it over the edge?
	Well, like I say, I question that.
	But whether there'll be an incident, which I think is kind of the question behind the question you're asking me, is whether I think there'll be actually an incident that then distracts the public because of this situation going on.
	I think it's possible.
	I mean, we did just have the Boston blood sacrifice, just the way I look at it.
	That attack.
	And that was heavily orchestrated.
	Just...
	Absolutely an inside job.
	And the evidence is rampant.
	And so, what are they planning?
	I think they're planning things for, you know, I mean, it's kind of like being, you've got front row seats to what's going on on planet Earth for the next six months.
	I think, you know, hold on to your seats because I really do think it's not just going to be one thing.
	I think that they're rolling out a major agenda.
	And yes, they're wrapping Little disclosure things in there.
	I mean, I have always had witnesses disclosing the truth.
	So disclosure has been an ongoing process.
	Movies and television have been part of it.
	The movie The Event.
	The movie right now with Oblivion with Tom Cruise.
	The movie about, I think it's called The Fall of Olympus that was just like a couple weeks ago.
	About the White House being attacked by who?
	The North Koreans.
	And then what happens?
	Two days later, Kim Il-jung, or however you say his name, you know, starts attacking, verbally attacking the United States.
	Coincidence?
	I don't think so.
	So what we're seeing are a lot of synchronicities, and synchronicities indicate that there is a pattern, that there is a An agenda.
	That there is a script.
	Something is being followed.
	Something follows after something else.
	Okay, so Carrie, do you see something potentially happen between now and the 29th of April when this actually takes place?
	That would derail the whole thing.
	I don't know, but I do know that I just had someone, Serena Taylor, on my show last night on Scepter Radio.
	And right before she came out, now she was like the most innocuous guest.
	I thought that I was just going to lay back and we would talk about Puerto Rico and sightings there and various things.
	I thought it was going to be just a total relaxing show.
	And what did they do?
	They took the whole radio show off the air right when I was supposed to go live.
	Okay.
	So that tells you, immediately, something's wrong.
	She has something to say they don't want out there.
	It seemed like an absurdity to me because this information, at least if you're on the UFO circuit, the information about Puerto Rico has been out there for ages.
	This is nothing new.
	But for some reason, they chose that.
	They wanted to attack the show.
	So that indicates that And this has been going on now.
	Camelot has been getting...
	We've always been sort of...
	We've always been on the cutting edge.
	We've always been pushing the envelope.
	But the attacks, ever since I even got the idea to do the time travel conference, became heavier and heavier and more targeted and more targeted.
	And I thought now that the conference was out, they would stop attacking.
	You know, I thought that, you know, that's it.
	The pressure would be off.
	It appears that's not the case.
	You just found the radio network again.
	Just because I'm going on the network with a guest.
	It's crazy.
	Now, we know that there is a battle going on behind the scenes between the people on the higher levels of the secret government of the world, not just the U.S. when I say that, who want...
	I want to let the people know more, more of a disclosure type of group, and a group that doesn't want disclosure at all.
	And I'm sure that there are people, Old Guard, who would like to see no disclosure ever.
	Sure.
	That they fully believe that they can continue for another 20 years without disclosing the ET presence, even though ETs are among us.
	Okay.
	There is more and more evidence to that effect.
	Now, you mentioned a bean that they had done a DNA test that was 8 inches, do you say 8 inches?
	About 6 to 8 inches tall.
	It was found in the desert.
	It has been DNA sequenced within 48 hours ago.
	They did release the results and it came back that it didn't match any sequence that we know of here.
	Potentially this could be a breakthrough, although I just don't know at this point.
	I guess we'll have to wait until Monday, when Greer finally tells us what the final analysis is.
	But I'm wondering, Carrie, is this going to be enough?
	As you know, Carl Sagan said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
	So is an alien going to be enough?
	Is documentation going to be enough?
	But Lloyd Pine has had the Starshot Child's Sure.
	For ages.
	Right.
	And taking that around.
	You know, greys...
	I mean, there are bodies.
	I think even...
	I don't know if it's the alien autopsy, but one of those autopsies is a real one.
	You know, the evidence is pretty substantial in that way.
	Of course, they've done a huge spin on a disinfo campaign against it, but the insider information is that it was real.
	Okay.
	So, as you're saying, a small alien...
	Who discovered it, by the way?
	It was brought into Greer's possession by an outside team they found in the desert.
	I don't know all the details, but he'll certainly reveal it on Monday for sure.
	When you say he'll reveal it, you're talking about his movie?
	Well, he'll reveal the details of the DNA sequencing at the Monday's meeting, correct?
	The results of the CAT scan.
	Wait, wait, you mean at the premiere of his movie?
	Correct, correct.
	In other words, he's going to be speaking at his own movie.
	Yes, yes, correct.
	On Monday?
	That's my understanding, yes.
	Are you going?
	I'm not going, no.
	Okay, I have a friend who's offered me a ticket.
	You might as well go, you know.
	Really?
	You might as well go, why not?
	You might as well go.
	Hey, this could be something huge, you know, you might as well go for it.
	Yeah, I just hate being part of that dog and pony show.
	But this is, yeah, we can talk about that off camera.
	But I have been offered a ticket.
	I didn't know Greer was going to be there.
	As far as I know, he will be.
	And the results have just recently been done.
	I just want to find out.
	I'm just wondering, is it going to be enough?
	Or are we just going to go through this all over again?
	And here we are 10 years from now, and we don't have anything...
	Really to stand on.
	It just seems like every time we get close to this, it just never comes through.
	I hear you.
	Okay.
	Well, we can launch into what you're going to do here because this is really your interview.
	It's not about me, Carrie.
	It's about the cases.
	All right, Carrie.
	Let's cover some new material today.
	I don't want to rehash old ground, but I want to state up front that these cases that we'll be covering this evening I did not make this up out of just the clear blue air here.
	These are documented cases.
	You can reference these through the MUFON archives, QFOS archives, and nycap.org.
	So I just want to say that there is paperwork to back these up here.
	All right.
	I thought we would start here with something that we're somewhat familiar with before.
	These cases that we'll be covering this evening, I did not make this up out of just the clear blue air here.
	These are documented cases.
	You can reference these through the MUFON archives, QFOS archives, and NICAP.org.
	So I just want to say that there is paperwork to back these up here.
	This is the famous Cash-Landrum incident, December 29, 1980, Huffman, Texas.
	This is a case that cannot be debunked, cannot be touched by skeptics.
	It is an ironclad case, probably one of the top three cases within ufology.
	Three primary eyewitnesses, Betty Cash, Vicki Landrum, and Colby Landrum, were driving down a road at Huffman, Texas, December 29, 1980, 9 p.m., Colby Landrum was in the back of the car.
	He looked up to the right and saw a white light approaching the vehicle.
	It got closer and closer and closer, and then the next thing they knew, Kerry, this craft plopped just about 10 feet above the asphalt pavement, no more than 130 feet from their vehicle.
	It was extremely bright white lit.
	It was making a loud roaring noise.
	They were absolutely horrified to their core, Kerry.
	They thought it was the second coming of Christ.
	They thought it was the end of the world.
	It was just an incredibly traumatic experience.
	Now, the craft measured about 90 feet in length.
	It looked like two ice cream cones put together end to end with the bottom section of it chopped off.
	You can see that here, Kerry.
	Every time this flame came out of the bottom, This craft bobbed up and then it slowly settled back down again and then the flames came out again and it bobbed up again.
	This happened for a few minutes.
	Betty Cash got out of her vehicle, walked toward the front of her hood as all this is happening, okay, and after a few minutes she decided to go back into her vehicle, Carrie, and when she put her hand on the car door, it burned her hand.
	It totally burned the skin off her hand.
	She had to take her leather jacket, put that on the handle, Bring that up, and then she got back in the car.
	When she got back in the car, now keep in mind here that this took place late December 1980, so it was cold outside.
	When she got back in the car, it was extremely hot in the car.
	They had to put the air on.
	A few minutes later, as this craft departed over to the left, Here there were no less than 23 double-rotored Chinook CH-47 helicopters chasing this thing with headlights and spotlights going after this.
	So what I'm trying to say here is that more than just three eyewitnesses saw this.
	There are independent sources other than the three primary eyewitnesses who saw the helicopters and the craft going away.
	And the two points I want to make that we didn't cover before is that Betty Cash died 18 years to the day of this event taking place.
	To the actual day.
	It's just unbelievable.
	Plus, Carrie, the United States Air Force tried to buy her car.
	So, if there's nothing to this, why would the U.S. Air Force bother to even care, you know?
	One reason that I think is because by 1960...
	Between the Atomic Energy Commission, the United States Navy, and the U.S. Air Force, they spent nearly $1 billion on research and development on the NEPA program, that's a Nuclear Energy for Propulsion of Aircraft program.
	So by 1960, they already spent nearly $1 billion.
	I think this is perhaps one of the early prototypes that we got for that procurement funding.
	It had a whole breach in the reactor.
	And you'll notice, Kerry, they weren't trying to make an emergency landing off in the field or in a tree.
	They wanted to put it down on the asphalt.
	That, to me, shows intent, okay?
	And so Betty Cash and Vicki Landrum have now passed.
	They died of cancer.
	Colby Landrum is the only one left.
	So the point of all this is that I think it's the responsibility of the UFO community to take up the torch on this and continue to fight on Betty's behalf.
	Fascinating.
	Okay, so in essence, you think this craft was one of ours?
	I really do, Kerry.
	There was a beeping noise.
	There was a military presence.
	There was definitely radiation sickness being involved here.
	It was brought to court.
	They tried to sue the government for $20 million.
	It was thrown out because Betty Cash could not prove that the military was involved.
	She couldn't prove it.
	I mean, obviously they were.
	But she couldn't prove it.
	However, John Schuessler, who is the principal investigator for the Cash Landrum incident, he has photos of the huge black scorch mark on the asphalt.
	Within days, unmarked trucks came to this area, dug up the ground, dug up the pavement, repaved it, and then two weeks after that carried, they did it again.
	They dug it up a second time.
	Like, they didn't go deep enough to get all that topsoil.
	They wanted to make sure that there was nothing left that anyone could get.
	They did it twice, Carrie.
	So, I challenge any skeptic, any debunker to, you know, look at Betty Cash, look at the evidence, look at the military involvement.
	It's a sealed up case.
	Okay, but one thing that bothers me about this is the 23 Chinook Correct.
	Because if this was one of theirs, why would they chase it with 23 helicopters?
	Maybe they were on a test flight and there was someone controlling it.
	I doubt there was anyone inside.
	Personally, I think it's unmanned because it was part of an early NEPA program that eventually...
	But 23?
	Why do you need 23 helicopters?
	They had to immediately get out this thing.
	It probably ran out of control.
	They were trying to contain it, obviously, with the spotlights.
	They knew what they were going after, and it's hoped that one of these helicopter pilots or crew will come forward.
	It's never happened.
	They probably got sick as well, Carrie, unless they're shielding on these helicopters.
	But for that kind of shielding to be effective, it's debatable if it can even get off the ground at that point.
	But, you know, there is a thought which has to do with that there is...
	And this goes on with incidents we have nowadays, which is the military, the secret government military, and the military don't communicate.
	In other words, there's a gap.
	And back then, I'm sure there was a gap as well.
	Because we're really talking about a development of a secret space program that goes from...
	At the very earliest, one of the earliest dates in the 1940s.
	Evidence even may be back to the 1930s.
	What you're talking about is a development in which one part of the military doesn't know what the other part is doing.
	In that case, you will have incidents where UFOs are being chased by jets being scrambled, etc., etc., By the legitimate military that thinks they're doing a job to defend the country or whatever, and then the other part of the military that's actually creating these things and testing and trying to do market research on reactions.
	Using our people as guinea pigs and our military as guinea pigs.
	I would agree with that.
	So it is a fascinating case.
	It is a fascinating case.
	It's still unsolved to this day, Carrie, and it just seems like the years are going to pass, and Betty Cash's drive, her passion, her determination to get to the truth, I just think is so inspiring that we should continue the hunt, and we should not just let it go, because her ultimate goal was to find out what actually happened to her.
	But you said this person, Corey, did you call him Corey?
	Colby.
	Colby.
	He's still alive.
	He's still alive.
	He's the last person involved in this case that's still alive.
	Okay, but did you try to interview him?
	I tried to contact him, and I was not able to get a hold of him.
	And I think he's reluctant to talk about it.
	It's something very personal.
	It was something very traumatic.
	He has given an interview before, years ago, but to my knowledge, he's been very close-hold about this event.
	Well, you know, along the lines of the disclosure conference, if that disclosure conference has any traction, then in theory, because you've got military witnesses, and I don't know how many are actually military,
	like of the 40 witnesses, I don't know, 30 are military or how it works out, but in theory, if such an event as this should get out there, coupled with the serious movie, What would be the result where you would know there's actual traction being made is if whistleblowers start coming out of the woodwork who know things.
	And you know there are many.
	There are hundreds, if not thousands, and maybe even more in countries around the world, but certainly in the United States, who would then possibly see that as a green light for them to begin to talk.
	And this may be an encouragement for someone like him.
	Well, I hope it is something that can encourage people to come forward, because sooner or later, Kerry, they're going to have to deal with this, one way or the other.
	I mean, the United States government, if this is a man-made craft, which I personally believe it is, They're going to be held liable for the death of two people.
	Absolutely.
	Not just them, but many others.
	There's many other cases like this.
	But bottom line is they're going to have to deal with this.
	So if this next two weeks has any traction as you speak, eventually they're going to have to get into this and the propulsion system behind this and why they, you know, suffer the effects of radiation poisoning.
	That will have to be addressed one way or the other.
	And I just don't think the government, the military industrial complex, That they want to actually deal with it and bring that whole thing out because that's going to have a whole series of implications about other craft that use similar and non-similar type propulsion systems.
	This took place February 3rd, 1983, Mobile, Alabama.
	This is the actual APRO Bulletin that talks about it, so we do have the paperwork.
	Lady was driving home from visiting a friend.
	It was dark at night.
	The next thing she heard was that a tremendous bang!
	A tremendous bang.
	Her whole car started vibrating.
	She pulled off to the side of the road, thinking that the transmission fell out of her vehicle.
	She looked down under the car.
	Everything was fine.
	She got back into the car, started up the engine, and drove another half mile.
	And over to the right, she saw this clearing of trees that were brilliantly lit.
	Further into this section of trees, she saw this craft carry Which measured approximately 210 feet in length.
	It was 70 feet tall.
	I've got more of a side view of it here.
	This is done by John McNeil, who's a very good 3D illustrator.
	Now, I want to start on top.
	There was a clear, transparent section on top with these five-foot-tall beings that were dressed in one-piece, tight-fitting flight suits.
	They had slightly larger heads, no hair that she could see, and in her words, they were, quote-unquote, oblivious to her.
	She was looking at them, but they weren't looking back at her, and she said that the environment looked antiseptically sterile to her.
	Very, just clean, sterile environment.
	Below that section, Carrie, there was another transparent section here with kind of a one-inch lip on the window.
	Below that, and I'm not sure if you can see that here, but in this front view, you'll see, Carrie, that there is a A door that was closing from right to left, and the primary eyewitness said that when she saw the bottom floor of this vehicle, it looked like freshly paved black asphalt.
	And on the left side of this wall, there was what she termed tubes, pipes, and cylinders.
	Very mechanical-looking wall here on this left-hand side.
	And we're going to get into the implications of what that means.
	On the bottom surface of this craft, Carrie, there were hundreds of one-foot square mirrors that were in a cross configuration.
	Below that, there was another observation deck of the same type people, but this time they were looking at her.
	And so that's the overview of this craft, the description.
	Again, 210 feet length, 70 feet tall.
	She also mentioned that there were four six-foot tall protruding cylinders coming out That were embedded in these four-foot squares.
	Now, she thought that they looked like weapons.
	They could have been some type of guns.
	We just don't know.
	She also mentioned, Carrie, that this craft had these truss tube steel girder construction.
	She called them the bulkheads of a ship.
	Like if you went to a Navy building yard, you'll see these huge bulkheads.
	The interior of this craft had the same bulkheads, and it also had rivets fastening this whole thing together.
	There's certainly a possibility that this is another one of our craft.
	Why would aliens use rivets to fasten their craft together?
	I suppose it's possible, but it's just another case where we have this strange-looking cross-tube girder construction.
	It's indicative of man-made technology carrier.
	Very interesting.
	Is that where the story ends?
	This craft moved off to the left at a slow rate of speed, and then she drove home.
	That's where the case ends.
	But, you know, we've got a primary eyewitness, we've got a gigantic craft, we have beings involved, and one of the most outlandish, crazy-looking vehicles I've ever seen.
	So as soon as I saw this, I said, we've got to do an illustration of this.
	And what year was this?
	This is 1983, Mobile, Alabama.
	Okay, so now getting into those type configurations, I want to move on to this case here.
	This took place November of 1994.
	This is the actual Boston Daily newspaper clipping, February 17, 1995.
	So you can see it was reported quite a bit after the event.
	The gentleman was going to work in the morning, and he looked off to the right.
	He saw two bright lights approaching his vehicle.
	It kept getting closer and closer.
	The next thing he knew, Kerry, this craft, which was about 70 feet in length, an elliptical-shaped craft with a notch cut out of the back of it, was hovering over his vehicle, and he got out of the driver's window, because over there they're on the right side, looked up and saw the same Tubes, pipes, and cylinders sticking down on the bottom surface of this craft.
	So this is the second time we've seen this motif here.
	Some people have reported it looking like an inverted Midas muffler plant.
	Just this very mechanical, structural look to it.
	Again, we don't know if this is an extraterrestrial craft.
	The possibility it exists that it is a man-made craft, we just don't know.
	After a few minutes of observing And this craft pacing his vehicle, it departed at a slow rate of speed.
	So that was this particular vehicle.
	Okay, and again, what year was that?
	This was in 1994.
	It was reported in 1995 in the Burton Daily Mail, February 17, 1995, when it was actually reported.
	In what country?
	This was in the UK. Okay.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	Now, Kira, let's move on to this case.
	This was reported March 3rd of 1995.
	Same type configuration as far as the understructure, but a gentleman was again going to work early in the morning.
	He was on a motorbike, Kira.
	What he found out is his motorcycle just stopped dead for no reason.
	The next thing he knew, he was completely bathed in a bright white light that you can see in this newspaper clipping here.
	So he looked up and saw this big square hovering above him, and on the bottom surface of this square, We're the same tubes, pipes, and cylinders, this mechanical look again.
	The vehicle went over to the left side, giving him kind of a projected view of the profile of this vehicle, and so it wasn't a square carry.
	He was under a large pyramid, so this is a pyramidal-shaped craft.
	Which I have to say here is actually, I don't know if you saw Oblivion, the Tom Cruise movie.
	I have not seen it.
	There is such a craft in that movie.
	Interesting.
	Okay.
	And that's the one that was also over Russia, if you remember.
	Yes, I do recall that.
	The Norway spiral right around that time.
	Now as this craft pulled away, Kerry, it left his motorcycle completely dead.
	He had to push the thing three miles back home.
	But there's a side point to this.
	Two weeks after the event took place, researchers caught up with this gentleman.
	And for some unknown reason, one of the researchers pulled out a metal Zippo lighter out of his pocket.
	As soon as he brought it out, it leapt out of his hands and went right to the gas tank.
	It magnetized the entire motorcycle.
	So we've got a primary eyewitness.
	We have physical evidence.
	We have electromagnetic effects.
	It's really a good case for it.
	And we have these strange tubes, pipes, and cylinders.
	This is now the third time that we've heard this motif.
	So I want to move on, Kerry, to another important event that I think is perhaps just as important to Cash Landrum, maybe even more important.
	Originally, Kerry, I was of the belief that when we talk about the Hudson Valley Boomerang, we're talking about 25,000 eyewitnesses between 1982 and 1989 witnessed this gigantic, football-sized, chevron V-shaped craft hovering silently over the Taconic Parkway.
	We're going to get into the July 24, 1984 Indian Point nuclear power reactor type case, which may be the most incredible case of all.
	But originally, Kerry...
	Now keep in mind, pilots, air traffic controllers, doctors, teachers, IBM executives that were handling Japanese accounts saw this craft.
	Very credible case.
	Here you see Kerry, the New York Times article on black aircraft, specifically the B-2 bomber.
	Originally, the B-2 bomber was going to be this high-altitude bombing platform that the US Air Force wanted.
	And so they had this configuration here.
	We see this single triangle trailing edge.
	This is exactly what the original eyewitnesses of the Hudson Valley Boomerang stated that this vehicle looked like.
	Now, by 1983, Kerry, they spent $22.4 billion on research and development procurement funding for the B-2 program and had nothing to show for it.
	That's a lot of money.
	That's a tremendous amount of money.
	What could they have done with those funds?
	They could have helped every homeless person in America.
	We could have rebuilt any part of a school that was dilapidated.
	We could have helped so many people, and they could have written every American citizen a refund check.
	So I question what was done there.
	Now, after 83, at the cost of $1 billion to taxpayers, This wing redesign was changed from this upper configuration to this lower configuration that we see today at our football games, at our air shows.
	This is the B-2 bomber that we know of today.
	So originally the thought was, and it still may hold true, that there was a secret version of the B-2 that was flying.
	Prior to the rollout of the B-2 stealth bomber in Palmdale on November 22nd of 1988.
	So, that was the original thought.
	And here you see, unraveling stealth black world.
	This is Washington Post, Monday, October 9th, 1989.
	Here is the configuration of the B-2 as it was originally seen, and the B-2 as we see it today.
	Now, the primary eyewitnesses, when they...
	When this craft flew over their head, Carrie, they said it had these tubes, pipes, and cylinders, this very mechanical-looking craft.
	Some of the eyewitnesses, and this is what I want to get into, and this is going to be kind of a world exclusive for you, Carrie.
	This has never been seen by anyone, so it'll be the first time.
	Some of the eyewitnesses who saw the Hudson Valley boomerang over the Taconic Parkway, and keep in mind, we're talking about Hundreds of cars pulled off to the side of the road.
	People got out of their cars and looked up as this gigantic football-shaped craft is hovering silently over the expressway, beaming the spotlight down.
	And the people who saw this craft said that when they looked up, there were transparent panels.
	That you could see up inside the craft, and it had this strange steel girder, crossbeam, and truss bridge construction, very mechanical looking.
	This is what you can see here, Kerry.
	So again, I question, could this possibly be a man-made craft?
	And the new information is absolutely, because a new, not a new researcher, but a very This reclusive secret aircraft researcher by the name of Joseph Jones, who's a good friend of mine, did some new legwork on this particular vehicle,
	and he has come across, Kerry, a possible contractor for this Hudson Valley boomerang, which I do want to get into, but before we get into that, Let me just ask you, you said it's transparent, but did they see any beams inside?
	They did not see any beams.
	They only saw this truss tube girder steel construction, like you would see at a naval boat building section, where you'd have these bulkheads and stringers, very mechanical looking.
	Now, not after the primary eyewitnesses of the Hudson Valley Boomerang, there was another case that may even trump this one.
	July 24, 1984, north of New York City, Kerry, is the Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant.
	Now, keep in mind, this is at night.
	There was a 25-knot wind, so it was kind of very windy at this time.
	Twelve security personnel at the plant saw a gigantic And I'm quoting, 900 foot wide craft hovering over Reactor 3 for 30 minutes, no more than 100 feet above the reactor.
	All this was caught on videotape, Kerry.
	This could potentially be the biggest case in UFO history, period.
	Just on the fact that the craft was there, it was hovering over prohibited airspace by the FAA, so it was violating all FAA regulations.
	It was caught on videotape.
	And Carrie, this is an illustration that I commissioned Wes Crumb to do for me, showing this gigantic craft hovering over Reactor 3.
	And again, we've got these two pipes and cylinders on the bottom of this vehicle as well, Carrie.
	So this is a first-time world exclusive.
	Okay, can I see you closer?
	Yes, you can.
	The videotape was confiscated, so we don't have access to it.
	But the Nuclear Regulatory Committee would neither confirm nor deny that the actual event took place.
	It did take place.
	Okay, and where was this?
	This was Indian Point Nuclear Power Plant north of New York City, and it was written in Night Siege by Philip Imbrogno and Jalen Hynek.
	In the original Night Siege book that was published, that case was covered.
	But, you know, it never went any further than that.
	So, if we could possibly get the videotaped footage of this, we'd go a long way to proving that.
	I know we're talking about disclosure events happening.
	Right.
	These cases that you're talking about are so airtight.
	They are airtight.
	They are airtight.
	That it is extraordinary.
	We're talking things that happened in the 80s and the 90s.
	In other words, that this revealed, if not just the secret space program, so that's human, but the one with the beings.
	In other words, we're really talking about evidence.
	Well, there's parallel roads here.
	We may have the Nazi connection that you mentioned.
	We have the secret space program.
	We've got the defense contractors.
	We've got the real Air Force.
	So there's parallel roads here.
	Some of them may be converging, but the bottom line is we are looking at a level of technology that is light years, in Ben Rich's words, 50 years beyond what we could possibly even dream of.
	So again, now, you know, I don't want to get too far off the track, but, you know, we also should discuss If there is this secret space program, which obviously there is, then what happened to astronaut Gordon Cooper in 1951?
	He was in West Germany and he had a squadron of F-86s that went into almost the vertical.
	They were chasing a squadron of dish-shaped craft with a dome on top.
	They were full military power, perhaps almost into the vertical, trying to intercept these And they were flying too high and too fast for him, and he's talked about this.
	So we have to address that.
	Then we have to address what happened to him also at Edwards Air Force Base in 1957 when they were shooting precision approaches like F-102s and F-100s.
	They were shooting the precision approaches, and this was all caught on film.
	He was not there.
	He was inside at Edwards Air Force Base when this took place.
	There were two sets of cameras running at the time, high definition at that time, this is 1957, when a disc-shaped craft hovered over the dry light bed at Edwards Air Force Base.
	It extended landing gear legs, sat on the dry light bed for a period of three minutes, got up and then departed at a high rate of speed, all caught on videotape.
	The U.S. Air Force had this.
	Gordon Cooper reviewed the tape at least 12 times.
	It was put on a chain portion to the gentleman's wrist, put in a pouch, and flown to Washington, D.C. It's never been seen again.
	So that'll have to come out as well.
	So you can see, Kerry, that there's just no easy way to do this.
	I mean, they can't release something without talking about something else because we've got this umbrella situation here.
	Where this side of the UFO phenomenon is connected to here, that's connected to this.
	So you can see that whoever is controlling this, or whatever group is controlling this, has so many buttons and switches to cover, they're not sure which one to go first.
	Okay, Gordon Cooper, I was just talking to somebody, I'm not going to say who, about Gordon Cooper.
	Okay.
	So why...
	Why did he reveal this, and how did he reveal this?
	He talked about this in the 70s.
	In 1978, he gave an interview on the Merv Griffin Show.
	So, you're saying Gordon Cooper was on the Merv Griffin Show?
	Yes, Gordon Cooper was on the Merv Griffin Show in 1978, and Merv Griffin just pointedly asked Gordon Cooper, he said, Mr.
	Cooper, I hear that there's stories going around, that there was a crash somewhere in New Mexico, that bodies were recovered, that the government knows all about this, and it's been kept under wraps for decades.
	Is this a true story?
	This is what Merv Griffin asked Gordon Cooper.
	Gordon Cooper says, I believe it is true.
	He said he had other contacts that He knew of this event, and that goes into line with possibly what he experienced not only in West Germany in 1951, but also when he was at Edwards Air Force Base in 1957 when he was a project commander of a group of cameramen that were shooting precision approaches when this thing landed.
	Gordon Cooper absolutely knew a lot.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	Yeah.
	Fascinating.
	Okay, so I want to move on, Kerry, to the possible contractors.
	Now, I can't Prove that this is the contractor, but there's a possibility.
	There is an aerospace company called JP Aerospace.
	They build lighter-than-air vehicles, very large lighter-than-air vehicles.
	And you can see this is one of their schematic sketches.
	This looks a heck of a lot like the Phoenix Lights craft, V-shaped craft.
	They have developed a technology and a material called C-Gel.
	It is 95% lighter than styrofoam.
	95% lighter than styrofoam, if you can imagine that.
	So if you have this gigantic craft, here's another one of their schematic outlines here, that has this material on it.
	Now here it is in high altitude.
	We're talking 100,000 feet.
	They actually have a schematic that will discuss, this is well over 200,000 foot altitude that these things are being used at.
	Now the important point to think about, Carrie, is When Reagan took over the presidency in the early 1980s, I want to ask you, Carrie, what was one of the first things that we began to hear about, Carrie?
	What was one of Reagan's big things that he always talked about early on?
	That if we had a common enemy, it would bring all the countries together.
	That's right.
	He did talk about that.
	He also talked about something called Star Wars, Carrie, the Strategic Defense Initiative.
	We're talking 30 years ago.
	Don't you find it coincidental, Carrie, That as soon as Reagan started talking about Star Wars, we started having these Hudson Valley Bloomerang settings, like vintage 1983.
	Immediately when we heard Reagan talking about the Strategic Defense Initiative, we started getting these reports of these strange V-shaped craft.
	Well, my same researcher friend Joseph Jones made a connection that I don't think anyone has.
	There is a secret program Embedded within Star Wars called Star Shield.
	The object was that they'd have multiple craft looking like something like this that would hover over every American city around the country and they would set up this iron dome, this electromagnetic shield that would render incoming Russian ICBMs obsolete.
	This is dating back to Tesla's technology.
	He talked about the same thing.
	So this could be the answer to the Hudson Bailey boomerang A secret program under their procurement funding for SDI, something called Star Shield.
	Okay, that actually leads to some very interesting questions and sort of possibilities.
	Let me ask you, though, you talk about this, you called it Sea Gel?
	It's called Sea Gel.
	And one thing I didn't mention, Carrie, at the bottom of their website, there's a little quote.
	It says, America's Other Space Programme.
	So I don't know if that's a belated designer leak, but you know.
	Okay, but what is the consistency of the C-Gel in terms of strength?
	I'm really not familiar with the fatigue analysis of the strength of material.
	How can you...
	In other words, I don't know, you know, I'm not a builder, but even logically speaking, I know when something gets so big, it has to be strong enough to hold its shape.
	Well, it's rigid enough to hold this shape, Carrie.
	It's rigid enough to hold that.
	It's rigid enough to...
	So is this an artist drawing or a photograph?
	Those are these illustrations from their website.
	From their website.
	From their schematic website, correct.
	Interesting.
	Yes.
	So this company could be...
	And they have multiple configurations.
	Let me say, because of the...
	You're saying incredibly light, right?
	Correct.
	But in theory, very, very strong.
	Very strong.
	It'd have to be.
	I mean, you're talking about 300 feet across, 600 feet across?
	It would have to be.
	So they could actually...
	I mean, just extrapolating from here.
	they could be used in a blue beam experiment big time because they could actually create shapes of all kinds of things.
	Now, how they propel them is another matter.
	Potentially, absolutely, yes.
	I know blue beam has taken a beating.
	I know it has.
	I still think that there's something to it.
	And they could pull it off, period.
	They have the technology.
	Let's not kid ourselves.
	$400 billion per year on classified black budget programs within, again, Lockheed, Skunk Works, Boeing, Phantom Works, Black Widow Group.
	We have no idea what they're capable of.
	If Ben Rich is true, which we believe he is, his statements of being 50 years beyond what we could dream of, they could not only pull a blue beam, but make it totally convincible.
	Absolutely, Carrie.
	Without any doubt.
	I want to move on to some very early stealth concept prototype designs.
	This is North American Rockwell, Rockwell International, 1972.
	Keep in mind that The Office of Naval Research, Kerry, was the procurement funding organization for this.
	So it wasn't the U.S. Air Force.
	And we're talking at least five years before the test flight of HavBlue.
	I mean, we're talking very early on.
	This is the original Silent Night stealth attack platform.
	Senior project design engineer was a man by the name of Daryl Cummings, and he graciously gave me the original sketch, which I've reproduced here.
	Ducted fan engine.
	It is also capable of a Maverick AGM-65, so it had a weapon system as well.
	This is the 11x17 cutaway here, showing you the drooped wing.
	It was carrier-capable.
	Again, 1972.
	Lockheed Skunk Works half-blue under the direction of Ben Rich.
	First flew in 1977.
	So you can see, Carrier, this is years before the stealth fighter program ever even kicked off.
	And let me just say that our Mr.
	X interview that we did many, many years ago, in fact, it was one of the first interviews that we ever did as Project Camelot, and Mr.
	X, we believe, was taken out a few years ago, worked for Rockwell, and that's where he did the cataloging of our interaction with ETs of media in a vault.
	One thing that we did do, which I don't know if we talked about, and I think we talked about it maybe at the Crash Retrieval Conference, that we did put him in touch with the Woods, you know, Robert Woods, and they were the people that investigate the Majestic documents and whether they are legitimate and so on.
	They have a website.
	Anyway, so we did that.
	I'm not sure if anything came of that.
	Okay, okay.
	The same company, North American Rockwell, had another 1972 proposal called the Flying Banana.
	Twin engine design, very low radar cross section.
	You can see the twin candid vertical stabilizers in this location here.
	Also received something called a high stealth configuration, vintage 1977.
	This is Rockwell International.
	This is much more of a high speed attack type aircraft.
	And then a new design, stealthy fighter conceptual design.
	Again, this is a twin engine.
	We can see the upward-turned outer wingtips, very low radar cross-section.
	And then finally, Kerry, I want to talk about this, also came from Darrell Cummings, surprise fighter, vintage 1973.
	Designed to come in at very low altitude, very high speed, and in this case, Kerry, it wasn't just a paper study.
	I actually have the radar cross-section photographs of this on the pole.
	This is a Gray Butte radar cross-section.
	And you can see that this wouldn't have been the most stealthy design because the idea in stealth is that you never want to have a 90 degree angle because that projects the radar beam back to the origin point.
	And so that's why the F117 is completely comprised of faceted panels.
	Never at a 90 degree.
	So that's the first thing you don't want to do is have this configuration here with this barn door reflecting the radar waves back.
	But again, it just shows you that there were stealth programs going on even before the Havlu prototype of 1977.
	I want to talk about this case which I feel is very important.
	This is 1965.
	The documentation on this case It comes from Ivan T. Sanderson's book, Invisible Residents.
	I highly recommend this to any researcher.
	It is a fantastic case, Kerry.
	That book is great because 51% of all UFO cases are in point-of-fact USO cases on identified submerged objects.
	So Kerry, the bottom line on this case, 1965, reported in Ivan T. Sanderson's book, Invisible Residents, which is highly recommended.
	A Brazilian doctor and two other eyewitnesses who actually saw the very tail of this event were the eyewitnesses.
	So, Kerry, we've got the USS East Wind, which is an icebreaker here, which you can see here.
	And this took place approximately 9 p.m.
	at night.
	And off the starboard bow, a gigantic cigar or bullet-shaped craft Punched through 37 feet of solid ice, and then went right into space, and as it actually punched through the ice, these huge chunks of ice flew into the air, and then when they came down, they made this bashing, roaring noise, deafening, roaring noise, and it cut out this circle as it punched through, which later started bubbling, and steam came out of it.
	So I asked the question, Carrie, Who, in 1965, had the technology to punch through 37 feet of solid ice and go straight out into space?
	I just don't know if this is one of ours, Kerry, just for obvious reasons.
	They absolutely got off the ship later on, and they measured it.
	It was 37 feet of solid ice.
	Now, our nuclear-powered Trident submarines They can do the same thing, but they can go through 37 inches of solid ice.
	It's a completely different ballgame, because if you try to take a nuclear submarine at full power, like this thing was, and try to break through 37 feet, you will chop off the counting tower of that submarine, and that submarine will go all the way down to the bottom of the Atlantic.
	Wow.
	Never to be seen again.
	So, again, I just don't think that this one was one of ours.
	And I am authorized to release this illustration done by Bill McDonald.
	Because this is not part of the Leonard Stringfield collection, so I'm authorized to release this.
	This is a color illustration done by William McDonald showing you that this craft is punching through with all the steam coming up.
	Very well done.
	And the witnesses were who?
	The witnesses were a Brazilian doctor and two crew members who saw the very tail end of this case.
	They saw it as it just departed.
	They did not see it punching through.
	But honestly, this is just an incredible case because...
	Who had this technology?
	Could this possibly have been man-made?
	Okay, but was it the Brazilian military that went and investigated?
	No, he was a doctor on one of our ships.
	So it was one of our ships?
	Yes, on one of our ships.
	So there were witnesses to the after effects?
	Yes, there were witnesses to the very end of it.
	Everyone else was in the map room of the ship at night when this occurred.
	He was the only one who saw the entire event.
	But it's reported in the book.
	There are other USO cases not quite as fantastic as this one, but I think the subject of unidentified submerged objects is just kind of like forgotten of in ufology.
	It's just not as well covered, but if you think about it, this is significant because it went through all these different mediums, right?
	It went through water, It went through ice, it went through the atmosphere, and it went through space.
	Where else in ufology do we have this?
	Only in these USO cases.
	So I think it's a great case.
	It really is.
	Okay, so then I want to move on to the next case here, which could potentially be just as significant.
	This is the famous USS FDR case.
	This is the actual sketch from the naval officer who was present when this took place.
	I have the date here.
	I want to make sure I've got that correct.
	Late 1958, between Florida and Cuba.
	That's where this took place.
	There were about 25 witnesses on board the aircraft carrier when this took place.
	And you can see, Carrie, this is the original sketch that shows them.
	This craft, which was about 150 feet in length, about a cigar-shaped craft, it had a series of square-cut portholes running along the side of the vehicle.
	But what's interesting, Kerry, is that the naval officers who were looking up at this craft said that there were beings inside this ship looking down at them.
	In fact, one of these beings raised up his hand and was waving at the guys on the aircraft carrier.
	So, this is part of the U.S. Navy record.
	Here is his original sketch.
	This is a MUPON case here.
	So then I tried to duplicate what this may have actually looked like, which is the end result here.
	Now, personally, I'm not 100% satisfied with this, but this just gives you an idea of what this may have actually looked like.
	And then if we do an enlargement here, you can see The beings inside the craft looking down at the naval officer.
	So, another very good case, Kerry.
	Interesting to report, though, that the naval officers who saw this vehicle hovering over the flight deck of the USS FDR stated that they could feel the heat emanating off this craft on their face, and then this thing departed at a very high rate of speed and turned orange as it departed.
	So, again, who had that technology to do this at that time?
	Is another question we need to ask and address.
	This is a case, Carrie, that came from 1962.
	A woman was combing her daughter's hair when this vehicle parked itself right on their cabin pier.
	It was there for about three minutes.
	She didn't know it at the very beginning, but eventually she saw this outside the cabin window, so she turned off the light All
	right.
	Okay, significant case here, Kerry.
	July 23rd, 1948.
	Eastern Airlines DC-3 case.
	This case was a watershed UFO case because when you talk about this one, the government could not deny the eyewitnesses.
	Two very experienced pilots that were flying for Eastern Airlines.
	When this very unusual cigar-shaped craft that had a point up on the forward portion There were sparks and flames coming out of the back of it, but it made this abrupt hairpin right turn, went over the right wing, and then did a pull-up.
	And they said that they could see these very high intensity lights on the side of the vehicle happening back here in 1948, Kerry.
	Here's the APRO sketch of what this vehicle actually looks like.
	And this is the case that really turned it around.
	The U.S. government could no longer deny the testimony of experienced eyewitnesses like military and civilian pilots.
	It was really the beginning of a lot of questioning within the government.
	Next case carry, we have November the 9th of 1979.
	This is a forestry worker.
	This is reported in NICAP as well, so you can go to NICAP.org, pull up any of these dates, and you can reference these for yourself.
	The gentleman was looking at some very young trees in the area.
	He pulled up his truck, got out, walked about 100 yards into the forest, and saw this strange sphere-shaped craft.
	Approximately 20 feet in diameter.
	It had a section of T's around this bar section on the mid-portion of the vehicle.
	And then he noticed two prickly U.S. Marine mine-looking craft that came out of the bottom of this vehicle that started coming toward him.
	They attached themselves onto his pants legs, pulled him down to the ground, and started dragging him toward this craft.
	And then he smelled this very strange burnt Semi-tractor-trailer brake smell.
	If you've ever gone down the highway and smelled burning brakes, that's exactly what this craft smelled like.
	He went unconscious.
	30 minutes, he believes 30 minutes passed, and this thing was gone.
	He had a very difficult time crawling back to his truck, and he eventually made it home.
	But this is a very well-documented case.
	Strange case.
	Very strange case.
	Unique, to say the least.
	And this happened where?
	This happened in...
	This is November 9th of 1979, Livingston, Scotland, United Kingdom.
	Oh, okay.
	Yep.
	Here is a case, a very well-known case, where a gentleman who was a doctor was writing his course in Canada.
	And his horse started going crazy, and out from this cloud that was about 60 feet across, emerged this very strange looking craft that had these counter-rotating vents on the bottom portion of the craft right here, and then his horse was going crazy.
	This is the original report.
	And the original schematic sketch of what this vehicle actually looked like.
	You can see there was a dome on top with a kind of a 10-foot dome on the bottom section of it here.
	It went and concealed itself back up into the cloud and then departed at a slow rate of speed.
	Very well documented case.
	Next case, Kerry, that I want to discuss is something that happened at White Sands Missile Range.
	They were conducting an upper atmospheric naval test.
	This is White Sands Missile Range, June 14, 1949.
	You can check this out at NICAP.org, where this missile was launched, and keep in mind it's traveling at 2,000 feet per second.
	There were two 24-inch diameter spheres that were pacing this vehicle as it's ascending for this test.
	The vehicle on the left Dropped down, pulled over to the right, went inside the thrust and exhaust of this missile, and then went and joined the sphere on the right-hand side, and then both vehicles, both spheres, Kerry, started pulling away from this missile as it's traveling at 2,000 feet per second.
	So they must have been going like 2,500 feet per second to pull away from this missile.
	So I ask this question again.
	Who had the technology in 1949 to build a device with no visible means of propulsion, no jet engine, no wings, to follow a missile going 2,500 feet per second?
	How was it observed?
	It was observed by the people who were launching the missile at White Sands Missile Range and then a tracking camera miles away also saw it.
	At least three independent sources who saw this actually took place.
	And were they filming it back then?
	I believe they were filming it.
	I believe they were filming it.
	So this is a very well-documented case.
	It is written up in NICAP.org.
	So again, we've heard reports that the Nazis were working on such a vehicle.
	Joseph Farrell talks about this as well.
	So it's a possibility that there is a Nazi involvement, but we can't prove it at this time.
	But the case is still very significant.
	Let's move on to this one, Carrie.
	This is August 13, 1947.
	Snake River Canyon.
	Two primary eyewitnesses were the sons and then the father was up on this mountain here.
	So they were on a boat on the river when all of a sudden coming down this canyon is Abraham Lincoln's top hat that was cut in half About one-third tall, and then the whole thing was stretched.
	You can see this elliptical configuration here.
	There was an engine pod on either side of the centerline of this vehicle, and the eyewitness said that it looked like it was almost nuclear-powered.
	He said it had no contrail on the back of it.
	Also carried, it produced no sonic boom.
	At a thousand miles an hour at this level, it would have created the most intense sonic boom navigating through the twists and turns of this river at that time.
	I know of nobody that has the technology of doing that at this particular time with this particular configuration.
	So it remains a very historical case, well-documented case.
	I want to cover this particular case, Carrie.
	This was reported in APRO and the NICAP file.
	This took place at the morning, 5 a.m., January 1, 1970.
	This is Vancouver Island.
	Primary eyewitness was a nurse who was intuitive enough to recognize that her patient was very restless.
	She went to the door, she walked over to the window, was just about to turn these blinds, and she looked out the window and saw this craft, which is about 50 feet in diameter.
	It was about 200 feet from her window, just hovering there.
	There were two beings inside this craft that had tight-fitting one-piece flight suits that were black in color, and behind these two beings carried There was what looked like TV screens, there were buttons, switches, dials, levers, gauges, very mechanical looking.
	The guy over to the left noticed that he was being watched by the nurse, so he tapped on the shoulder of this gentleman who was sitting on what looked like a stool.
	When he found out that he was being watched, he turned to these panels, pulled this lever, and then this thing took off at a high rate of speed.
	Very well documented case.
	Okay, but the beings themselves, they look like what?
	They look something like what you see in here.
	They had these black, one-piece, tight-fitting flight suits.
	But their physicality?
	Their physicality, they look humanoid.
	Human?
	They look humanoid.
	Yes, they absolutely look humanoid.
	And this was what year?
	This is 1971.
	This is January 1st, 1970.
	January 1st, 1970.
	I want to move on to this, Kerry.
	This is a very significant case reported in CUFOS, in MUFON, also in NICAP, October 18, 1973, Mansfield, Ohio.
	This is the famous Mansfield, Ohio helicopter case.
	The crew members on board saw a red light approaching their helicopter.
	Now, the pilot thought there'd be an air collision.
	He thought there would be a mid-air collision.
	So he took matters into his own hands and reduced power, pushed forward on the control stick, and was descending.
	This craft, which was a cigar-shaped craft with a red light on front and a white light on back, shot this green beam down onto this helicopter.
	And then as this helicopter is descending with full forward stick, it started ascending at 1,000 feet per minute with no power.
	It was lifting this thing up.
	There was a thump.
	The people on this helicopter felt this thump, and then this thing departed, and they regained control.
	Ground observers saw this as well.
	It cannot be debunked.
	There is not a skeptic that has been able to touch this case, Carrie.
	Very well-documented case.
	Okay.
	So in light of what we're looking at here, Michael...
	It is fascinating to see these cases, to see your amazing illustrations and the people who've helped you, right?
	Right.
	So you want to credit a few of those people?
	Absolutely.
	I want to credit John McNeil, who's a very good 3D artist.
	He's done the cover of Poplar Mechanics, Poplar Science.
	I can only take these things so far.
	I mean, some of my illustrations...
	Are somewhat childish.
	Some of them turned out pretty good.
	I want to credit John McNeil, who is a professional 3D artist who has done the cover of Poplar Mechanics, Poplar Science.
	He's done a lot of illustrative work for me.
	I can only take a lot of these cases so far.
	To really bring the visual aids to a level where they need to be commissioned by a professional artist.
	And that's where I bring John McNeil in.
	Okay.
	But you're actually very good yourself.
	Not as good as he is, though.
	I don't mind admitting it.
	We have to give credit where credit's due.
	So, absolutely, John McNeil.
	Okay.
	Excellent.
	So, just to wrap this up.
	And, you know, it's been great to listen to the stories.
	And I love the way you have such enthusiasm and you're obviously sticking to sort of the nuts and bolts of what's going on and what has gone on.
	And we're talking back to the 1940s.
	So, in light of the disclosure conference that's coming up, in light of the serious movie, which is going to reveal this 8-inch being, and...
	I told you this on the radio, but I'm just going to repeat the story, but I have a whistleblower who made a joke about this, and actually they're talking about what is more supposedly a group of races, a race of beings that are coming here 12 to 18 inches is what they're saying they are.
	So I don't know if this is just a different being altogether, the one that Greer is showing, or what?
	You know, being from this group, but the person said it's kind of hard to be serious when there's one standing on your desk talking to you and you're telling it to surrender.
	Okay, okay.
	You know, in other words, having a straight face and dealing with...
	Let me see.
	There is a piece of information that I'm not supposed to say about these beings.
	It has to do with their capability in certain areas.
	So they're highly intelligent.
	So their size should not...
	They can be a threat because they have expertise in certain areas that are highly sophisticated.
	Let me say that.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	So really, Kiri, again, getting back to what we were talking about before...
	Do you think that the documents, the eyewitnesses are going to have any effect in the next couple of weeks then?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if we're talking, we're really, you know, in essence from my point of view.
	Disclosure has been happening.
	It's been in movies.
	It's been in TV. It's been going on.
	Researchers have been writing books about it.
	They've been doing radio shows.
	Camelot's been involved for seven years, putting witnesses out there with testimony that's pretty darn impeccable.
	And there have been all kinds of military people that are in intelligence agencies, etc., etc., These people cannot all be discounted.
	There's a huge, very solid body of work that has been done over the years.
	But the mainstream continues not to pay attention.
	So what we're really talking about is not that there are two back-to-back sort of things going on.
	One with the serious movie and one with the disclosure conference that's at the press club.
	But Stephen Bassett is organizing...
	This has been done before and it's been ignored before.
	Correct.
	Why won't Wolf Blitzer pick up on this?
	I mean, we know that CNN, the other media outlets are bought and paid for by special groups, organizations.
	Sure.
	I mean, if this is the biggest subject in all of history, why doesn't, you know, CNN throw a million dollars into this and Wolf Blitzer get up on CNN Live and blow this whole thing out?
	Why can't we get to this?
	Well, look, two weeks ago, Henry Deacon, known as Arthur Neumann, that's his real name, went on stage and talked about working on Mars.
	He talked about meetings he had, etc., etc.
	Why don't they get involved?
	Why isn't this front-page news?
	And then let's investigate it.
	If they think it's full of shit, then even if they got involved in investigating, you know, all the different aspects.
	And eventually they, of course, would be convinced that it was real.
	Will these events change the tide of what's going on?
	Probably not, but it will probably be another step along that way.
	And this is all about also them sort of covering their asses, so to speak, that when real disclosure happens, whether it be because a certain alien race is discovered, a certain person told me that they think the only real disclosure a certain person told me that they think the only real disclosure is ever going to happen is when a vehicle crashes in front of thousands of people and then the beings walk out and can't
	In other words, that'll be on the nightly news and it crashes into a football stadium or something crazy.
	Could the government just say, hey, that was one of our top secret vehicles and keep moving, nothing to see here.
	I mean, what's preventing that from happening?
	Well, nothing.
	I mean, in essence, when you look at all these cases and when you see that there are whole groups of military, you're talking about thousands of people or hundreds of people witnessing the same thing.
	They love to say mass hallucination.
	That's one of the things they talk about.
	Certainly, you know, there are possibilities like that.
	But the tide has been turning for a while.
	So I think what we're really talking about is reaching a critical mass in which finally it just can't be discounted anymore.
	Okay.
	And I don't know if you know about the case in which...
	Anthony Sanchez brought it to my attention, and I think there were other people that...
	It was a major case recently where a person who's part of the Obama security team was photographed, and he looks like a reptilian.
	Okay, I have seen that, yes.
	Okay.
	Apparently that can't...
	You know, it wasn't CGI. There was no...
	Crazy, you know, altering, female altering being done.
	Nobody is the wiser.
	I mean, these things are going on constantly in which there are various beings and they are dealing with governments and it just gets ignored.
	I mean, they're walking among us.
	This is what's so interesting.
	We're having press releases, I mean a press conference, in which you're going to have military...
	Up there talking about them, but they are out here.
	They're here among us.
	Not only, from my point of view, are we combinations of various ET DNA, and therefore, in essence, we are them, but specifically ones that are visiting here, who weren't born on Earth.
	Some of them are wearing various methods of disguise and so on.
	We have a witness, and I actually forget his real name, when we have to sort of hide the names of the witnesses.
	names we make up better than their real names eventually.
	It's kind of almost a self-programming to where you're being careful.
	But we have a, there's a witness called John Robey, who was a police officer in the UK, very well-known researcher and investigator, And he talked about the ETs that are living among us and also being hunted down by people, by groups of, you know, a la Torchwood.
	In other words, I don't know if you've seen the TV series Torchwood.
	Well, it was originated in Great Britain, and as is the case when they literally put the truth in the movies and television.
	So this is back, you know, I think it's at least 10 years old, maybe older, the original one.
	It was picked up and remade in the U.S. not long ago, a couple years ago.
	Basically, it was all about hunting down aliens that are here, that come, that visit, that are hanging out, and they go, they hunt them out.
	In some cases, they imprison them, they kill them, and in some cases, they just tell them to leave.
	So, Carrie, are you saying then that it is your assessment that the recent TV series, B, is a belated designer leak for something that's actually taking place?
	Oh, yeah, Sean David Morton has, you know, he's very funny, but he actually introduced me in a panel and says...
	This is Carrie Cassidy.
	For her, V is a documentary.
	Oh, okay.
	And that was actually true, more or less.
	For all intents and purposes, I would say that's how a takeover would occur, more so than an overt battle.
	But to get back to the story about the John Robey character, as a police officer, he said one of the ways you could tell The humanoid ones that are living among us is that they had a baby finger that was bent.
	Really?
	Yes.
	And that was known among insiders as one of the ways you could tell.
	Anyway, it is fascinating.
	So we are living in an era when disclosure is happening.
	It's happening in the streets, and military people have been coming to places like Camelot and being whistleblowers, but they're being ignored.
	So this is really where it's at, and I think that we are fast approaching a time, from what I understand, when they're going to have to reveal more.
	Okay.
	Carrie, can you give me a ballpark date?
	What's going to happen first?
	Is there going to be an official disclosure or is there going to be a crash retrieval that cannot be denied?
	Give me a rough timeline.
	If you have to do an over-the-horizon projection, What are we talking here?
	I don't know, but let me tell you one thing that was very interesting in Oblivion.
	So remember I showed you, you just talked about a pyramid-shaped craft.
	And there was a pyramid-shaped craft that showed up during the time of the blue, the spiral over in Norway, if you remember.
	That made major news.
	And then this, in the rest of the news, it was ignored in the major news, but there was a pyramid-shaped craft seen over Russia around that time.
	And also, I think China, and I think there might have been even one seen over San Francisco, but there were a few documented cases right around the same time.
	That appears in the movie Oblivion, which has just been released this week.
	We're talking the same week that Sirius is coming out and this disclosure thing.
	So, in the movie, they have a sentence.
	It's one sentence.
	And they show this...
	They're showing this desolated landscape, which is Earth.
	And they're showing sort of a creator.
	That's the frame that you see when you hear this.
	And what they say is...
	Once the earth changes started happening, as a result of the moon being hit and taken off its trajectory, which caused major destabilization of the earth, that after that started happening, that that's when, quote-unquote, the invasion began.
	So you see one sentence.
	What they're doing is foreshadowing.
	They're again putting it out there that, in my view, that what's going to happen is they're going to go start the earth changes.
	They're going to escalate the earth changes.
	And recently I just got verification of the 7.8 earthquake in Iran, which was man-made.
	Targeted.
	So, you know, they're escalating the Earth changes.
	They're doing some of them on purpose for various reasons that also have to do with moving the Earth out of its trajectory slightly.
	But basically you're talking about disclosure happening or an invasion happening right around or after Earth changes start.
	So if Earth changes are starting to escalate and many people feel that this year Sure.
	Because you talk about it.
	But I think there's a sort of a misnomer, a fallacy around that in the sense that you still have to talk about the possibilities of what goes on or what could happen.
	In other words, to put into the understanding that we live in a multiverse in which many things are possible and in which certain groups will be pushing agendas that do involve some of these more diabolical occurrences, right?
	One of those groups does release or infiltrate into movies in Hollywood information.
	And this later proved true.
	Okay?
	Just like, as I told you, the fall of Olympus, or whatever they call that movie, about the takeover of the White House by supposedly North Korean terrorist group, which really is just North Korean.
	You know, you see troops, military troops, and they're having battles with our...
	You know, with the people, Americans, and so on.
	And then two days later, we get threatened overtly by North Korea.
	So, is this a coincidence?
	Do you think two days difference between the release of the movie and the reality?
	And so what I'm saying is there's a sentence in Oblivion that says, once the Earth change has started, then the invasion began.
	Now, if that's a scenario that they're looking at, or a scenario they want to make happen, Or a scenario that is happening.
	We're certainly in a time when weather changes are obvious.
	Some earth changes have taken place.
	Possibly we could be very close on the verge of some others.
	Certainly Cliff High and various other people think there's going to be a major Coastal, what they're calling a coastal event, they're calling it a global coastal event, which I haven't even followed that to any degree, but I have to say, we're talking about those things happening.
	So if they do happen, then doesn't that follow that an invasion is going to begin?
	And if there is an invasion, and we're in a situation, and they haven't disclosed the fact that we even have Other beings of any kind, let alone whatever kind might choose to invade.
	And then they start having overt battles going on to save humanity or the race or whatever race they want to save.
	I mean, it is a fascinating thing to think about.
	Well, interesting you mention that.
	You recall the testimony of Carol Rising, who's a disclosure representative, and she laid out what von Braun had told her about this false alien invasion and A reason to justify building weapons of mass destruction in space.
	And, you know, she talked about them playing a trump card, and then she said that just before the big event, the one event that would take place before the big event was this quote-unquote asteroid or meteor impact threat, which would be a reason why we need to build space-based weapons.
	Now, if you look in...
	Iron Sky, the new movie Iron Sky that recently came out.
	It's talking about the Nazis going to the moon, setting up a base there, and then returning to invade America specifically and take over.
	And what do they have towed behind their Zeppelin dirigible Andromeda ships, Carrie?
	Large cables with asteroids attached to them.
	When they get close, they pull this lever and this thing comes slamming into Earth.
	I mean, Is this what we're seeing now?
	Is this the final warning that Von Braun talked about before the fake alien invasion, Carrie?
	Okay, yeah.
	But is the alien invasion fake?
	You see, I would say we've been invaded time and time again.
	Correct.
	In fact, there's multiple documented evidence of our DNA being tampered with over the millennia.
	So, that's one thing.
	The other thing is that, again, we're talking movies seeded with possible truth.
	Right.
	But how do you talk about a fake alien invasion on the one hand and a real one on the other?
	In other words, isn't it also very convenient to talk about a fake alien invasion where you actually disarm the people because they're then going to be more vulnerable Than if they actually realized that they could be being invaded right now.
	Are we being invaded, for example, by these little, you know, 18-inch beings?
	12-inch, 8-inch, whatever.
	In other words, invasion.
	I mean, I interview this David Griffin, you know, who talks about the nano oil, the self-aware, incredible, the Marconi, the death of what is 25 Marconi scientists It had to do with the Falklands War where it appears it was discovered originally.
	It was eating away holes of our ships apparently in the Gulf.
	It has something to do with the Gulf spill which might have been a cover for this nano oil that's now been coming to the surface and that it's triggered even off planet is the evidence that we're getting by an off planet race that put it Into a stasis situation in which it wouldn't activate until they decided to come here.
	It's like a pre-terraforming event in which they follow it up with coming here in person.
	So, yes, this sounds like a Hollywood movie, what I'm talking about.
	It sounds literally mad.
	But these are the kinds of scenarios that we have to look at.
	You can be invaded by microorganisms, you know, by nanotech.
	In other words, it doesn't necessarily mean that the beings are going to land here looking reptilian.
	On the other hand, if reptilians have taken over and infiltrated the Nazis, for example, And the beings that parade themselves as Nazis, as being more reptilian in nature than other beings that we call human on the earth, then that's an invasion in itself.
	Could the fake alien invasion be a drill concurrently going on with the real invasion?
	It's not the first time this has happened because the 7707 London bombings, they were having a drill for that actual eventuality.
	And then during 9-11, they were...
	They were conducting a drill of airliners being hijacked and shot into the trade centers in New York City when it actually happened.
	Boston, apparently there was a drill during the Boston Marathon.
	In fact, it's become, of course, in the sector that we're in, it goes into our news that there is a drill happening or a drill scheduled Beware because they're going to do something.
	Literally.
	When there was an earthquake drill here in the Los Angeles area recently, it went out all over the internet.
	The big one's going to happen.
	Because there's a drill happening, the real thing's going to happen.
	It didn't happen, but that doesn't mean it won't ever.
	It is true.
	The drills, the fake...
	Whatever you want to call the pretend, the practice, so-called practice, and then the real thing seemed to be happening back to back.
	Carrie, what is your assessment of Operation Blackjack?
	Refresh my memory.
	I think I know what you mean.
	Is it this thing where the cards reveal...
	Not necessarily the cards, but a few years ago in a London newspaper, there was a quote-unquote fictitious comic script that talked about...
	North Korea, Iran, attacking the U.S. with multiple nuclear weapons concurrently, and then it being blamed on North Korea, and then eventually it's found out that it's the U.S. government, and it's a whole false flag operation, and it said, at the bottom of it, it said, this is not just for entertainment.
	So we've been kind of waiting on the 21st.
	Is it going to happen?
	It hasn't happened yet.
	But now here we're hearing all this information about North Korea.
	It seems to be converging on the same time that Blackjack is talked about.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think it's possible.
	I think that they experiment with scenarios.
	Yeah.
	I have no doubt that...
	Because we're talking about a secret space program...
	That even in the mainstream, I think Cray computers, for example, are known in the mainstream.
	So the Cray computer being like, or multiple Cray computers being underground.
	Dr.
	Bill Deagle talks about this in Colorado.
	And this is where you have this massive, it's basically, for all intents and purposes, at this point, it must be an AI. And they can then troubleshoot possible scenarios and decide in advance what they want to do and what's most advantageous in changing conditions.
	So they've got not just one, but they've got several fallbacks if for some reason certain unforeseen elements get thrown into the mix.
	And one thing with the Boston Marathon thing and with other of these kinds of events that have been happening is what you see is the foreshadowing In television first, before the event happens, in movies and so on.
	And then you also see now, we're also seeing things like Facebook coming out with commemorating the death of the people before the event has even happened.
	Documentation in YouTube of information about these events before they happen.
	In other words, This is also said to happen during the Aurora shootings.
	So what is going on?
	It seems, I was talking about this with a friend, and we're actually saying, is the AI getting ahead of itself such that it's programming into the media the information that is then getting released before the event instead of after it because it's gone into a loop?
	Okay.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Are we in a time loop?
	Are you saying that we are eventually going to run into this Skynet scenario, Carrie, where the machines come alive and we have a Terminator scenario?
	But we've already been told that this exists by Pete Peterson, and not only him, but other witnesses.
	And Anthony Sanchez has these Lockheed Martin scientists that are on the run who built this nanogrid of satellites that is run by this AI called Mother, Which I've gotten documentation and verification on.
	And he's been threatened multiple times for releasing this information.
	He's writing a book about it.
	And I myself was told to give him the information that if he reveals the technical details, the Lockheed Martin scientists that went on the run after working on this program, because they were dying off, told him that he would be killed.
	So I was told to tell him this.
	So, I mean, you're saying...
	Is this the scenario we're looking at?
	And I'm saying, it's already happened.
	It's already happening.
	So, in your assessment, Carrie, do you think this has anything to do with the overwhelming building plan of underground bases, underground tunnels?
	How does that play a role?
	I mean, what could possibly be the reason for all these huge trillions of dollars spent on undersea type operations, you know?
	Richard Dolan published a book about undersea bases as well, talking about huge submarines being kept.
	You may recall, during the 70s, Howard Hughes had a Glomar Explorer ship that recovered portions of a nuclear submarine, a warhead off of a nuclear submarine that went down.
	It was a Russian submarine off of Hawaii.
	It went down, and the Russians couldn't get to it.
	So the CIA went to Howard Hughes, And say, can we borrow your ship that was a precious metals type retrieval ship?
	And they commissioned Lockheed to build this grappling hook that went down into the ocean, grabbed this submarine, brought it back up.
	But what I thought was interesting, in that book published by Richard Dolan, written by Richard Sautter, he postulates that portions of that Glomar Explorer Device were used to recover extraterrestrial vehicles that crashed in the ocean and sunk to the bottom.
	Could that play a role as well?
	Well, it's fascinating.
	Certainly they're discovering.
	That's one thing where they're doing crash retrievals and they're also able to get the technology from whatever they're discovering, right?
	Right.
	But I think that the scenario is that these underground bases What I'm learning more and more about is how, you were talking about how they can throw an asteroid, and they use these as acts of war.
	In other words, this has been the way that advanced civilizations have been warring upon each other, is to actually target a planet with an asteroid.
	Similar to the way you would play billiards on a table.
	I think of it in those terms.
	And that they've done this before.
	And that they did it to Atlantis.
	That is what made Atlantis sink to the bottom of the sea.
	It was an asteroid that was targeted.
	It was a war.
	So what I'm also hearing is we're talking about planetoids that are coming into the system.
	They steer themselves.
	They are not unoccupied.
	They are occupied inside.
	So they look like planets on the outside, but in essence the beings themselves live inside.
	And this seems to be a pattern.
	We're hearing over and over and over again about the planetoids and the fact that they are Going on trajectories that hint at the possibility that they are being propelled or manipulated or driven, however you want to look at that.
	That being the case, then doesn't it make sense if you've got an inhospitable environment like space to go through or an undersea or the sea, right?
	You need to have a vehicle that's Enclosed, airtight, whatever.
	And that you live inside.
	So that seems to be what these earthlings are doing more and more of.
	The secret space program is all about operating within, underneath the surface of the earth.
	In fact, they refer to humans as surface dwellers.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	The cavers, as Stephen Kelly likes to call them, or the beings that are living inside the Earth, they are living in advanced civilizations, far in advance technologically to what we're living in.
	Why, Carrie, though, would they use this slow approach of integration into our culture?
	Why not just wipe us out and take our planet?
	Why take hundreds of years?
	Well, for one thing, we are them.
	Mm-hmm.
	So this is where I think people just don't seem to get that.
	They don't understand what is a human.
	What are we?
	We are made up of all the various ET races.
	There's substantial evidence that at least 12 ET races are in our DNA. And that means we're different combinations of those races.
	So in a sense, we are feet on the ground for the races in space, alright?
	Some of whom have come here and left, some of whom are still watching over the earth, and some of whom have gone into inner earth and lived, and still are living.
	So not only are we talking the bases that we are building, or the secret space program is building, but in inner Earth, inside the Earth, there is evidence that there are beings like the Telos, who have been living in Mount Shasta, for example, and other beings.
	So what we're talking about is there are many civilizations in this mix.
	It's not about a one group coming to Earth and wiping out the Earth.
	You can't wipe out a team that involves your progeny.
	Do you understand?
	Or the progeny of a race that you're at war with.
	In the interstellar war, right?
	Because they're going to come, you know, it's going to be tit for tat and they're going to come and do something to you if you're going to do something to their sort of offspring.
	So we have protective races, we have destructive races that are coming here to plunder us, take advantage of us, take us over, use us, etc.
	And the DNA plundering is still going on because there is ample evidence That a whole new race of hybrid human, human-alien hybrids being more gray than anything else, have been created and are now coming back to live here.
	Okay, what are we to make of the reports from Dr.
	Greer that talks about a rogue group of military personnel who are targeting, tracking, and shooting down these extraterrestrial vehicles and then exploiting the technology for their own military gain?
	Won't that create some waves within that group that you talked about?
	Probably, but they've been doing it for, you know, since the 1930s.
	Okay, why is it being allowed?
	I mean, won't that create an international interplanetary war if we're shooting down these vehicles?
	I mean, isn't that a very hostile approach?
	Well, the question is, how successful are we, first of all, in shooting down those vehicles?
	And I believe that...
	We have gained in our capability.
	I think maybe Roswell was one of the first incidents in which our technology was sophisticated enough because of the radar devices to interfere with those ships.
	Although that perhaps wasn't exactly intentional.
	I don't think that those ships were necessarily shot down.
	They certainly were interfered with, such that they crashed.
	So, as our technology, it's like we learned from them, and then we became the monster they created, right?
	But you're also talking about...
	This is something that people don't also recognize.
	Various factions of the military, especially the secret military, have made deals with various factions of various races.
	So that means the Air Force are dealing with one group.
	You know, the Navy, another.
	The Army, another.
	So even within the US, different factions in the military have made deals with different alien races that are, in a sense, working for them.
	And then you get the Russians dealing with one group or another group, and maybe even factionalized within their various military disciplines.
	But you've also got the Chinese.
	In other words, the North Koreans are very, very likely to be being propelled along a certain trajectory by whatever alien race they are the progeny for.
	What is their DNA makeup such that they are related to maybe a race that has ulterior motives here on Earth that may not be positive for the rest of us?
	And you can reverse it.
	The North Koreans could easily say, well, those Anglo-Saxons, the predominant Anglo-Saxons here in the U.S., because the U.S. is such a melting pot, you can't kind of get away from it.
	But it does seem to be...
	That even since Paperclip, that the ones that are ruling from behind the scenes in the U.S. seem to be a lot oriented towards the Nazis.
	There seems to be an undercurrent.
	And if you study the information, if you read Jim Mars and you listen to Joseph Farrell and you go down that road, you start to see...
	And I'm seeing more and more of this, I have to tell you.
	And you've mentioned it yourself.
	There seems to be something to that.
	There seems to be something very substantial to do with an ET race that actually comes from Aldebaran that is Nazi-oriented and responsible for the Nazis and that has infiltrated the Jesuits, the Nazis, that this race of beings is basically trying to take over the Earth.
	So, Carrie, have we...
	Heard the last of the Third Reich, or are we going to hear this again?
	No, in fact, if you read Jim Mars' book, The Fourth Reich, you know, we're living in it.
	What do you think is happening?
	Why are all our freedoms being taken away one by one?
	This is the Fourth Reich here in the U.S. This is what we're experiencing.
	The Patriot Act and what has followed since then.
	The drones.
	I mean, look, let's get back to oblivion.
	What's the biggest threat and oblivion to our Tom Cruise character?
	The drones.
	Those are the extremely destructive entities that are run by some kind of what appears to be an artificial intelligence.
	There's a lot of overtones of that.
	You see a woman on a television screen.
	It breaks up.
	I forget, did you see the movie?
	I have not seen it.
	It depends on purpose.
	She looks like a woman.
	She smiles like a woman.
	She talks, but she's a machine.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	And she's the face of the machine.
	And the machine is this, I think they call it, TET? Something like TET? Or TRET? I forget.
	Anyway, it's a military term.
	And so it's an AI. Mm-hmm.
	So we've got drones run by an AI. What does that remind you of?
	Terminator.
	What's happening right now, actually.
	And what are people doing?
	I mean, we're even talking about this being in the mainstream.
	People are realizing, people are having, you know, citizen hearings about the drones, about what does it mean when you've got a machine that's tracking you, that's able to, you know, I mean, we could have a dragonfly drone fly into this room right now.
	Another thing that the drones are also capable of, not just firing at people or things, but they can actually become bombs themselves.
	I just think it's what we're seeing right now.
	It is playing out right now.
	I don't think that Hollywood is an accident.
	You remember what the expiration date on Neo's license was in Matrix.
	Oh yeah, of course.
	What?
	It was September 11, 2001.
	That was his expiration date.
	So there's no way that can be a coincidence.
	And in the movie Terminator 2, as Arnold Schwarzenegger is driving that motorcycle with the kid behind him, and then the T3 or whatever it is, the liquid craft guy, he goes slamming into that pylon, that overhead pylon, and One second before that happens, though, and you can see this.
	There's videos that talk about this.
	There's a little painted thing.
	It said, caution 9-11.
	Like, caution, don't have your vehicle profile be higher than 9-11.
	Or caution, what's coming up on 9-11.
	So, there's a lot of those type things out there.
	Oh, there are.
	There are many, many of those things.
	Well, again, Hollywood, it's interesting, because I was just talking.
	I think I can say this, to Jordan Maxwell.
	And we're just thinking, we're going to see if we're going to have dinner with him tonight.
	But Jordan told me a story just the other day.
	And maybe you've, I'm sure you've heard this.
	I don't know.
	How does Hollywood know what's coming?
	How are they so read in?
	How are they so organized that two days before North Korea really gets very belligerent and starts attacking us verbally that we see this Hollywood movie come out about that very story?
	There is, apparently, according to Jordan, he was told by a limousine driver who worked in Hollywood many, many years and was befriended by Kirk Douglas.
	Okay.
	Okay, and he's going to tell the story much better than me, but I'm just going to sort of fast forward it.
	In essence, Kirk Douglas was picked up by this limousine driver.
	He became his favorite driver, so he would come and pick him up.
	Some very important people were coming from overseas.
	He was sent to the airport.
	He picked up Kirk Douglas and these two other people, and they were driving in the car towards Hollywood Hills, and Kirk Douglas turned to the driver and said, Who do you think is the most wealthy person in the world?
	Uh-huh.
	And they named all the usual suspects.
	And Kirk said, no, no, no.
	And he said, actually, we're going there tonight.
	And he said they drove into the Hollywood Hills, into Mulholland area, and that they drove to a mountain.
	In Mulholland and they clicked some kind of gate.
	They were at the outer gates and they did some kind of quote or whatever and the whole mountain moved and they drove in.
	Really?
	It was a parking lot and then they went into the house and it was this man who is incredibly wealthy and he is a Nazi.
	Really?
	From Germany.
	And he has his house, he overlooks the entire Hollywood area.
	There you go.
	And that this apparently is the most wealthy man in the entire world.
	And he basically calls the shots in Hollywood.
	For Hollywood.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	And I'll tell you another story really quickly here, which Jordan told me, which adds to this, which is that a certain person had a very lavish dinner for all the very well-known actors and actresses and directors and producers.
	They were all brought together At a dinner, and then they basically took all the latest scripts and information about what was coming up, all the best roles, everything, of all the different companies that were going to be put together, and they basically doled them out to the various actors in advance.
	So you'll do this, you'll do this?
	Yeah.
	And they kind of worked it out as to who gets what.
	Okay.
	Dividing the spoils for the future.
	And all I can tell you is that these are stories that Jordan has been told.
	Very, very legitimate stories.
	I mean, he's got many of them.
	He is a person who knows actually very, very well how orchestrated this sort of scenario that we're in and how the media is owned and run at a very high level.
	So, from what you know, Carrie, do you have any idea as a timeline?
	I mean, are we talking weeks?
	Are we talking years, decades?
	When are we going to see this trigger event that they've been planning for all these years?
	To do with the ATs, do you mean that?
	To do with whatever this event is going to be.
	In that TV movie, it was the approach of their home planet toward our planet.
	That was the event in that TV movie.
	But what is going to be our event?
	Which was the ultimate, by the way, planetoid.
	Again, seeded into a recent movie.
	And I just watched the event over again, because I was told recently by certain parties that, I'm not going to reveal, I guess, one of whom is a CIA agent, that the event is literally quite true in many aspects.
	So if that's the case, as you're saying, we see a planetoid coming in the vicinity of Earth and parking itself.
	Right?
	That's what the movie shows.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And then what do we have?
	We have sort of a V scenario.
	I mean, in theory.
	When?
	You're asking me?
	Me when?
	I have no idea.
	But we seem to be building up.
	I mean, if this was...
	If real life was a movie here on planet Earth...
	Mm-hmm.
	Wouldn't you say we're building up towards something?
	Absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Wouldn't Stanley Kubrick say we were building up towards something?
	Oh, sure.
	The fact alone that there's so many underground bases being built would tell you alone that there's something going on.
	The Queen of England buying property near Denver International Airport, all the billions of rounds of ammo the Department of Homeland Security is buying, military troop movement, Absolutely, they're planning for something.
	Right, and what they're not telling you also is that the Queen of England and others are buying a lot of land and places to live in Australia, because Australia is seen as an arc for the American military-industrial complex.
	What about the Georgia Guidestones, very briefly, Kerry?
	What do you think is happening there?
	Well, I think it's basically something they're working on long term.
	I do not know whether they'll achieve their aims.
	Let's say that.
	Again, because we've got races of beings that are positive and races of beings that have negative intentions.
	It doesn't mean just because they've been running the world for X number of years, Rome fell to some degree.
	Although it's been resurrected in the United States, most people will say that for all intents and purposes, you know, Washington, D.C. is Rome.
	But the evidence...
	We don't know.
	The future is wide open.
	I think that because you and I are sitting here having this kind of conversation and then it'll go out on the web and people will watch it and become more informed and do their own homework and start to bring their own pieces of the puzzle to what we're talking about, experiences they've had or their father or their grandfather has had and talked about.
	In other words, when you start putting those pieces together, You start getting a real sense of what's really going on here on Earth.
	And it is my profound hope that we're contributing towards an awareness that will prevent this diabolical future from happening on planet Earth.
	Because awareness, consciousness is king.
	And I believe that the powers that be know this.
	And this is what they're so frightened of.
	More than anything else, it's when people like us start garnering hundreds of thousands of views on anything we do.
	When we start getting critical mass in terms of numbers.
	Why does that matter?
	It wouldn't matter unless consciousness was king.
	So you think that there's a positive outcome and that we can actually beat this and win in the end, right?
	Or do you think it's too far gone, it's too late?
	And we're not raising our voices up enough, but Carrie, you think that there will be a positive ending to it?
	You know, I don't know how you can say ending, because this is re-evolving, going back to source.
	It's a journey.
	It's a multiple reality journey.
	And so we have multiple selves and multiple possible timelines, for lack of a better word.
	At my time travel conference, Arthur Neumann said he doesn't like the use of the word timeline because it's more about probabilities.
	It's more like, he says, a cloud of possibilities.
	But given however you want to picture it, the reality is that I think we have many possible futures, and it just depends which one we're going to live.
	It's all about experience for the beings that participate in these dramas.
	And I think ultimately the goal is for all beings and all planets all over the world is enlightenment.
	It's all sort of becoming aware of source, of who we are.
	You know, that we're sparks of the ultimate one.
	So I think that this is a game being played and in a sense it is like a hologram.
	So I think that becoming overly I guess, sort of emotionally entangled over this situation is really not the way to play it.
	I think that we have to understand that we participate willingly in this adventure.
	And I firmly do believe that we have the ultimate power.
	The ultimate power being consciousness.
	And that when we unite with good intentions, we can't be stopped.
	And that's really the game, the challenge before us, is to become aware, to become, you know, love with wisdom, and to be able to perceive what, you know, what the choices are in front of us and understand the truths of what makes up this You know, multi-dimensional realities that we live in and share that knowledge.
	And then in the final analysis, it's all about learning.
	It's all about learning that growing self-realization that makes you become who you are and makes everyone else become fully aware of who they are and ultimately of what has created this amazing experiment.
	And you've seen evidence of this throughout the consciousness of the international community.
	That's the direction we're heading, right?
	Seeing evidence of it, I see it when I talk to people.
	I see it in individuals.
	I see it in creative endeavors.
	I see a lot of the opposite also.
	I see a lot of dumbing down.
	I see a lot of the negative things I do see playing out.
	Star Wars, Terminator, these scenarios, they're real.
	They're not something of our future.
	They're real now.
	Right.
	You know, we're living that.
	Where it goes and whether we'll be able to take the reins of our future away from the powers that be, how much support we'll have for that, you know?
	It's, you know, if you knew the ending...
	Well, the ending is we all go back to Source, okay?
	The ending is that you're an internal soul.
	That's the ending, if you want an ending.
	But the experience is the journey in the end, right?
	Sure, absolutely.
	So that's what we're here to do.
	Okay.
	And you are interviewing me at the end of this interview with you.
	And so what do you think, Michael?
	I think you're absolutely right.
	I think if you look at how people are thinking about this subject matter, because ultimately in one side, the UFO subject matter, the paranormal, it is something that a lot of people are interested in.
	But then on the other side, It never gets reported.
	So you've got this two-faceted thing.
	Now I think a lot more people are open to it.
	The public is more than ready to hear about this subject.
	They're ready for this to roll.
	I really do think so.
	They're ready for it.
	I don't think there's going to be panic because that whole theory of panic on the streets is based on something that's never been tested before.
	Something like this is going to be unprecedented.
	They can't predict with any type of 100% certainty what the end result will be.
	It's never been field tested.
	Disclosure of an extraterrestrial race has never been field tested on any large scale.
	So how can they actually predict what the results will be?
	Obviously, there will be some people who will be scared, who will be frightened, who will panic about this.
	A small minority.
	However, There's another cross-section.
	Now, I've heard this from someone who's touched one of these extraterrestrial vehicles in a hangar-type setting back in 1963.
	He said that there will also be a cross-section society that even if they had one of these extraterrestrial vehicles on display a block away, they'd still rather watch Sunday Night Football.
	So, there you go.
	I think we're ready for it.
	Alright, so it's a brave new future.
	Sure, let's go for it.
	Okay, thank you, Michael Stratt.
	Thank you, Carrie.

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