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Jan. 17, 2013 - Project Camelot

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PROJECT CAMELOT: MATTHEW STEIN : WHEN TECHNOLOGY FAILS

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	Transcription by CastingWords That's correct, yes.
	And we're here in a beautiful setting.
	This is Reno, Nevada.
	This is called the River Farm School.
	Okay.
	In Reno, Nevada.
	Beautiful place.
	Alright, excellent.
	You're also doing a workshop this weekend and I'm going to attend the workshop.
	Yeah, we're doing a workshop on urban survival skills.
	And the first day is on surviving grid collapse and building local resilience.
	And that's on Saturday.
	And Sunday's workshop is with primarily Dr.
	Richard Allen Miller.
	With his power tools workshop and you'll be interviewing him later and that's something he developed to train Navy skills so they could make snap life and death decisions in an instant with three sigma accuracy, like 99% accurate.
	So people are coming in from all over.
	They're very excited about this weekend's workshops.
	Yes, absolutely.
	And I think we'll have a lot of Camelot people there, which is great.
	So let's kind of go back with you.
	I interviewed you back in Belgium on a live video stream, right?
	Right, right.
	And Bill was with me and we were doing that sort of as part of a conference that we were doing in Europe.
	At the time, so some people can go on to Camelot and actually find that interview.
	Oh, yeah.
	If you just see Matthew Stein and Project Camelot, it comes right up.
	Yeah, but we're going to sort of, I mean, this is a couple years later.
	Things have really moved along, and so I think it's great that we're going to have this opportunity to kind of Catch up with you, see where you think things are going.
	We're in October of 2012 right now and a very moving trajectory in terms of the scenario of the future and what may happen really any day, any week, now.
	I wrote an article around the beginning of the year called 400 Chernobyl.
	And in Rick Miller's opinion, he thinks it's like one of the most important articles in the world right now.
	And the way it came about was last year I was working on finishing off my wind disaster strikes.
	And I finished two weeks before Fukushima happened.
	I finished a chapter on solar storms and EMP and talking about the potential for long-term grid collapse from either of those events.
	Three days before Fukushima happened, I finished a chapter on the unthinkable, surviving a nuclear catastrophe, including an EMP, including a nuclear device going off, including a Fukushima or Chernobyl-like meltdown and a dirty bomb.
	And so then I got on the radio, and I'm talking about both the potential for long-term shutdown of the grid, And then I talked about, after that, about Fukushima and how, according to the officials, it wasn't the earthquake that immediately caused the meltdowns.
	It's the earthquake shut down the grid.
	And then, when you turn off a nuclear power plant, they have to be connected to a grid to keep going.
	And so, what happened to Fukushima is, as soon as the grid collapsed in the earthquake, Then the backup systems kick in, the nuclear power plants start shutting down, and the backup systems keep in to keep the pumps cooling.
	Well, 20 minutes later, the tsunami came along, wiped out those pumps, and two of the reactors, 15 minutes later, went into total meltdown.
	Two of the reactors were unloaded and not working, and there was a sixth reactor that had A generator, backup generator, above the flood level and didn't get wiped out, and they were able to patch that reactor's backup generator into another reactor, and so that one only had partial meltdowns.
	So two reactors that lost all cooling were totally melted down starting 15 minutes later, and then another one.
	So anyway, the gist of it is I'm talking about first the EMP and solar storm causing long-term grid collapse, all the impacts, infrastructure gone, no gasoline, no diesel fuel, nothing moving.
	And then talking about how Fukushima failed.
	So, somebody calls up on the radio show and says, Well, Mr.
	Stein, I don't have an MIT degree like you do.
	But from what you just described about EMPs and solar storms, and what you described about the failure in Fukushima, tell me what's going to happen in the event of an EMP to all of these reactors or a solar storm in the affected zone.
	And my jaw drops, and it's like, oh my God.
	That's one of the reasons why our world's in this trouble.
	I'm a degreed mechanical engineer from MIT, and I didn't draw the lines between two chapters I wrote two weeks apart.
	It took somebody listening to me in a radio show to draw the lines.
	I realized...
	What's going to happen is, if you have an EMP and a grid collapse, immediately the infrastructure starts failing.
	The cell phones are gone three hours later.
	They start running out of power in the relay towers.
	Three days later, the central stations for the telephone system lose their backup power.
	Within a few days, all the backup power is gone to keep the sewage going.
	But on top of that...
	There's no diesel fuel being processed and there's no fuel moving.
	And so these nuclear power plants are going to run out of backup fuel within a week's time and start going Fukushima-like.
	Now, they're mandated to have a week.
	Some of these power plants have a month on hand.
	I had operators call me up after this show and say, oh, Mr.
	Stein, even though the Nuclear Regulatory Commission mandates a week backup supply on hand, we actually have a month.
	So it's like, okay, you have a month.
	Well, how long would the impact be?
	Well, according to the bipartisan EMP Commission report that came out a couple years back, that was Dr.
	William Graham.
	I keep wanting to call him Billy Graham, but that's a different guy.
	Dr.
	William Graham, who was Ronald Reagan's chief science advisor, so he's no left-wing person by any means.
	He said to the President of the United States, the head of the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, last August, wrote them a letter saying, in the event...
	of a long-term, of an EMP or a major solar storm, like we had one in 1921 and one in 1859.
	That's two in the last 150 years, game-over, game-changing events.
	Two in the last 150 years, before we had massive electronics and things that could be collapsed, like these.
	In those events, we're going to have multiple Fukushima-like events happening all over the United States.
	And in the event of a solar storm, it'll be over much of the northern and part of the southern hemisphere.
	So you're talking potentially Ending life as we know it on planet Earth.
	And potentially all human and mammal life in the worst case.
	So this is serious.
	Now, the good news...
	Well, I do want you to get to the good news, believe me, after that.
	But what I want you to do, first of all, is explain what an EMV for people that are going to watch this so they'll know what an EMV is.
	Electromagnetic pulse.
	Okay.
	The Sun, just through being the Sun, it does its natural thing.
	It sort of bursts, fairly often, like several times a year.
	And it's called the coronal mass ejection.
	So a bunch of hot plasma stuff that's flying off through space.
	Now, most of the time it doesn't fly in the direction of Earth, but occasionally it flies towards the Earth, and we get a An electromagnetic event where you have beautiful northern lights in the northern and southern hemisphere, or the aurora borealis.
	And it causes an electrical interference on the planet.
	Now, like last spring, we had a pretty big event.
	And it caused them to reroute some planes over the North Pole, and it disrupted some communications, and it made some incredible pictures on the internet, but not too big of a deal.
	In 1989, we had an event about ten times the size of the one we had last spring, and it induced enough power in the grid in North America that it fried a massive power transformer in Canada, in Quebec, Outed power to 6 million people, 9 million people for half a day.
	And it fried one of these big transformers in New Jersey, and they managed to keep it going, and it fried one in the UK. We'll back step further.
	I know we're talking about coronal mass ejections, and we'll get into EMPs in a minute.
	They're similar, but not exactly the same.
	So when the Sun has a big geomagnetic storm, like last spring was a big one.
	1989 was a large event.
	1921, 1859 were extreme events.
	So what happened is, like for instance in 2003, one of these storms happened to cause enough interference, a major storm, that it fired 13 power transformers in South Africa.
	Now people say, well okay, big deal.
	You know, you fire a power transformer, you go put a spare one in, you go to the hardware store, whatever, you put one in.
	It's like, no, these transformers are like 20 feet tall, they're 300 tons each, They're tens of millions of dollars each.
	They're custom-made, custom-designed for every installation, and there's a three-year waiting list to get a single one.
	So when you lose one or two, you can kind of like shuttle around it and make things work, and maybe there's one spare.
	But in South Africa, when they lost 14, the only way they could compensate is rolling blackouts.
	So imagine for the entire year after that happened, South Africa, you'd be doing a business and maybe six or seven hours, three days a week, you'd have no power in your mall.
	No refrigerators, no internet, no lights, no air conditioning, nothing.
	And that just happened like several times a week randomly all over the country.
	That's the only way they could compensate.
	Now think about this.
	1921 style soil.
	The modeling, computer models show that we're going to lose like 350 plus of these transformers in North America alone, the United States alone.
	A couple thousand in the world.
	That's like 10 years.
	If all the places that made these transformers made as many as they could every day, and none of them were affected by the storm, which is like a fantasy, it would take 10 years at current capacity to rebuild those transformers.
	That would be wiped out in a day or two in a single extreme bio-magnetic storm.
	And these aren't things that happen every million years.
	These are averaging every 75 to 100 years.
	Last one was 90 years ago.
	Do the matter.
	We're either due or overdue, however you look at it.
	Now, what's the chance?
	We're coming up on a solar maximum.
	End of 2012, beginning 2013.
	That's coincident with the mind counter.
	Whether they're seeing something or not, I don't know.
	I have no clue.
	What I do know is that statistically our chances of getting one of these extreme events is greater during the maximum.
	They can happen anywhere in a solar cycle, but more likely in a maximum.
	Recently a scientific study released Estimated we have a 12% chance, that's a 1 in 8 chance, of getting one of these 1921, 1859, game-changing, game-over events within the next decade.
	So how many of us would you board a plane if you were told, oh, don't worry, there's only a 1 in 8 chance it's going to crash.
	Now here's the good news.
	The good news is they've developed the devices.
	They're giant vacuum tube technology that happens in nanoseconds to switch the power around these transformers and down into the earth and protect the grid from total collapse.
	So that's the good news.
	The bad news is, just like fixing the levees around New Orleans, The engineers are saying this is a disaster waiting to happen.
	It's not a question of if it'll happen.
	It's just a question of when.
	The bad news is they're still talking about it.
	They talked for 50 years about the need to fix the levees, and they didn't do it.
	And so right now they're talking about it.
	Now there's a...
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Stop a minute.
	You're saying that there's this fit to this whole dynamic.
	That's correct.
	But they haven't done it?
	They haven't.
	Oh, but get this.
	It costs a billion dollars.
	Half the price of a B-2 bomber.
	One self-bomber.
	Three stealth bombers.
	And for half the price of one of those bombers, they could fix our grid so it's not game over into the world.
	That's the United States.
	That's the United States.
	Everywhere has...
	And they're talking about it.
	They're actually taking it more seriously in places like the UK and France and Germany than they are here.
	And so they're looking at what the study's done in America and they're saying this is serious and they're saying they're agreeing with this and we have to do something.
	Now what do they do in America?
	They have a SHIELD Act in Congress.
	The SHIELD Act says is mandating to industry to fix it themselves and saying well in a couple of years if you don't get your money back from your From your constituents, then, you know, petition us and we'll talk about paying you back.
	So here, Wall Street's crying, saying, oh my God, you know, we're going to lose all this money and all these rich people are going to lose their investments and they can cough up 500 billion to a trillion dollars to bail out Wall Street.
	But, oh my God, the grid might collapse and, oh, that's a billion dollars?
	Oh, we can't do that.
	It's like, wait a minute, wait a minute.
	So, it's really crazy.
	Now, what happens then?
	Okay, there's a company called North American Electric Reliability Corporation called NERC, N-E-R-C. And it sounds like they're out there to protect us.
	And in some ways they are.
	A couple years back, they had this big conference with Homeland Security, the DOD, and NERC put it on, called the High Impact Low Frequency.
	And they were looking at black swan events Which don't happen very often, but could totally mess up society and end the world as we know it.
	And they concluded that the most serious and most likely of these events is both solar storms and EMP. And they published this report.
	They brought in a bunch of great scientists and politicians and thinkers from all around the world, and they published a great report.
	So what does NERC do?
	Well, the SHIELD Act says that private industry has to pony up the billion dollars themselves.
	That's out of the bottom line.
	That's out of profit margin.
	So what does NERC do?
	NERC is run by the private industry guys.
	They fire the guys that wrote the HILF report.
	They put some new guys in.
	They come up with a new quasi-study.
	They release it and they say, No problem.
	We've got it covered.
	Everything's okay.
	But if you read the report, it really says, well, we looked at the data from Meditech Corporation, which was overseen by Sandia National Labs and Lawrence Livermore Labs, and they looked at that, and they said, We don't know the code, so we can't really verify if this data is good or not.
	It's overseen by these top labs in the country, the top national defense lab.
	Actually, it was Oak Ridge and Sandia Labs.
	Oak Ridge National Labs, Sandia National Labs.
	Sponsored, Oak Ridge sponsored it, but it was also double-checked at Sandia.
	And NERC is saying, well, we don't have the code, so we can't evaluate if this is right or not, so we have to study it some more.
	But we honestly think that private industry has the safeguards in place, so everything's going to be okay.
	And people say, oh, look, look, everything's okay, don't worry, you don't have to worry about grid collapse from an EMP or a solar storm, everything's okay, because NERC says it's okay.
	But when you actually read the report, they're sort of saying we think it's okay, but we're not sure because we can't double-check the data on the Meditech study, because we don't have the code to do that.
	Why do they even think it's okay?
	They don't want to spend a billion dollars out of the bottom line.
	So they hired their lobbyists to go to Congress and tell people everything's okay.
	And it's just a crap shot.
	What they're doing is gambling with your life and my life and the entire world because not only is it grid collapse and the EMP Commission estimates six to nine months minimum to get basics like what happened in South Africa, rolling blackouts, you know, kind of something going together.
	So in that six to nine months, you're going to run out of gas.
	A week to a month later, you're going to have multiple Fukushima-like events.
	You're going to have mass starvation.
	You're going to have riots in the street.
	You're going to have the collapse of Wall Street.
	You're going to have the collapse of Washington, D.C. In fact, there's another event that happened a few months ago.
	Some people I know, they invited top...
	DoD and first responder people into a military institute outside of Washington, D.C. And they simulated, they did like a dry run tabletop of this.
	And all these guys basically said, oh my God, this is so bad, they admitted that they're going to bail and go home and protect their families in this situation.
	So these are like the best of the best of the first responders.
	And when they looked at the scenario, they had to admit that they would be home protecting their family because it was really nothing they could do for the public at that situation.
	So the good news, bad news.
	The good news is it's a fix.
	The bad news is they're not doing it.
	Now, let's talk about EMP. Because EMPs and solar storms, some people call solar storms natural EMPs.
	And because they're similar and related.
	So when you have a solar storm, it's like this coronal mass ejection from the sun comes.
	These charged particles, they hit the upper atmosphere and they get kind of...
	Kind of like vibrating like a generator and it generates this electromagnetic storm and it goes down and we've got a hundred thousand plus miles of high voltage lines around the grid in the United States alone and those act as a big antenna and so it induces thousands and thousands of volts and amps in these lines and each of these lines that go over long distance have these massive transformers that are 350,000 to a million volt transformers And what happens is,
	these lines can handle a lot of volts and energy, but when they get this spike down there, It's like not synchronized with the 110 ac you know with the 60 cycle on the grid it's like a spike that's not synchronized so when it hits the transformers if it was synchronized they could handle it but it's just this blast it's not synchronized it causes the transformers to have these eddy currents they lose efficiency all of a sudden you have megawatts of power going through these big transformers and they lose 20 efficiency and what that means is you
	have Megawatts of power is heat inside the transformer and they toast, they fry, they burn up.
	Unless you can get that spike away from the transformer.
	So, EMP. What does an EMP do?
	An EMP is called an electromagnetic pulse.
	And it's commonly referring to when a nuclear device is launched up and it's deliberately blown off high above the earth between like 30 kilometers, 150 kilometers.
	Think like...
	You know, miles above the earth, 10 miles to 100 miles above the earth.
	And when it does that, these gamma rays go out in the upper atmosphere and they generate an electromagnetic pulse in the atmosphere and in some respects is similar to the EMP, I mean to the solar storm.
	What you have is three different effects.
	You have an E1, E2 and E3. Not important to memorize this.
	We'll just talk about it.
	The first one It happens in nanoseconds.
	It's like speed of light.
	It's a fraction of a fraction of a blink of an eye.
	And what it's like, it's like rubbing your feet on the carpet, opening up your computers and putting your finger in there and sparking around on all the chips and saying, gee, I wonder if that did anything.
	And so the old-fashioned electronics, not that susceptible to that E1. Modern digital electronics, very susceptible.
	Now, if you have something like an iPhone, Chances are pretty good it's going to survive that pulse.
	If you have a little radio and it's not plugged into the outlet, it's just like sitting there and it's not turned on, chances are pretty good it's going to survive.
	Problem is, pretty much every complex digital electronic control system, those are PLCs, Programmable Logic Controllers, DCS, Digital Control Systems, And SCADAX, Remote Sensing Control and Data Acquisition Systems.
	These are the things that run our nuclear power plants, that run our oil refineries, that run our water purification plants, that run our factories, that run our Costco's, that run the internet, that run the phone systems.
	In the EMP simulated test run by the EMP Commission, 100% failure in any significantly complex digital control system.
	So if you've got a computer that's wired, hardwired in a network, Chances are about 100% it's dead.
	If you've got a factory control system, 100% it's dead.
	Not everything is dead, but enough pieces of it are cooked that it's dead.
	So what are we talking about?
	Small device.
	Say they get a little suitcase bomb, they buy a Scud missile for $20 million on the black market, they get a junk freighter off the coast of the United States, they launch on this small missile up over a small nuclear device, get a 500 mile diameter, so you're going to cook the The critical infrastructure will instantly collapse within a 500-mile radius.
	How big is that?
	That's like from New Hampshire down to Virginia, including New York City, Washington, D.C., Boston, all of that.
	It's total collapse of the infrastructure, and within that zone, most of the nuclear power plants will probably, within 15 minutes to a half hour later, melt down like Fukushima.
	Now some of the backup systems will survive the EMP and some of them won't.
	So some of them will maintain cooling and some won't.
	Nobody knows how many.
	Now, big nuclear device.
	Say they, you know, got one of the big ones on the black market from a failed state from Russia.
	You're talking a 1500 mile circle.
	Now how big is that?
	Draw a circle on the map from Quebec City, Canada, beyond Chicago, all the way to Dallas, Texas and Miami, Florida.
	Now, naturally, there will be some areas in there that aren't as badly affected.
	But, for the most part, you've got totally collapsed infrastructure.
	Now, how sensitive is our infrastructure?
	Well, in 1997, my brother-in-law and sister-in-law were driving down the Central Valley of California.
	Blistering hot day, 115 degrees.
	Air conditioners going all over the West Coast.
	So, all of a sudden, they pull up to this gas station.
	Everyone's sitting in the shade going...
	No pumps are running.
	No money machines are working.
	They go inside the gas station to buy a cold drink.
	Nope.
	The cash register won't work.
	Nothing's working.
	What happened?
	Well, on a really hot day when the grid was maxed out, some power lines in Oregon sagged down and hit some killer trees.
	Them killer trees, you gotta watch out for them.
	They're really serious, the terrorists, them killer trees.
	A single short in Oregon cut power to all western states and two provinces in Canada.
	For a good portion of the day.
	East Coast, the major blackout a few years back, 50 million people out of power.
	First off, they were sure it was a terrorist.
	Killer trees.
	Them killer trees, I tell you, you gotta watch out for them.
	Killer trees in northern New York caused a cascading failure, took out the power plant at Niagara Falls, cascaded through the entire East Coast.
	If killer trees can do this, And you have an EMP over a circle from Dallas, Texas to Miami to Chicago to Quebec City and Canada.
	What do you think the rippling effect is going to be across the country from that large of an effect?
	I mean, if killer trees can do that, think of what that EMP is going to do.
	Not a pretty scene.
	Now, the good news, bad news.
	The good news about an EMP? The rest of the world is there.
	The cavalry is there to come to the rest.
	The rest of the world is not pride.
	The bad news about the EMP is that the damage, because you have an E1, E2, and E3 effect, and I'll go back into those in a second, the damage within that zone is far greater than the solar storm.
	See, the solar storm It's not going to affect your VCRs and your TVs.
	I'm sure some of them will be fried, but it's not going to just fry most of the electronics and the digital electronics in the zone.
	It's going to take down the grid, which caused collapsing infrastructure.
	Everything is based on the grid, so then no power, no water, no gas, no refining, no nothing.
	No internet.
	Now, in the EMP, At least the rest of the world can come to our rescue.
	But within that affected zone, all the stuff that diagnoses and fixes...
	Right now, everything's diagnosed electronically and fixed electronically.
	And so the stuff that diagnoses and figure out what's wrong and sends workmen up to fix it, that'll be good.
	So you're talking like years and years to put this stuff back together.
	And you're talking turning that, you know, third world America like that.
	And so at least the rest of the world can come to the rescue.
	Now in the solar storm, you're talking, the effects will be worse, the closer you get to the poles, they'll be worse, and the closer you get to the equator.
	So the central latitudes You'll be relying on places like the Philippines and Indonesia and India to put the rest of the world back together when the rest of the world is all broken and falling apart.
	You know, they rely, I'm sure, on stuff that comes from areas there.
	So you're talking a really serious problem here.
	Now back to the EMP difference.
	So the E1 effect is like electrostatic sparks happening everywhere.
	The E2 effect happens in a fraction of a second to two seconds.
	And that's like five million lightning bolts happening within two seconds all over this area.
	And unfortunately, a lot of that cool little plug strips we have and stuff to protect our electronics from lightning strikes, Many of those will be damaged and disabled from the E1 effect.
	So those lightning strikes will just go down the grid and go into all kinds of electronics and fry them.
	Now the E3 effect, that's a long slow burn.
	That happens within from like 30 seconds to 20 minutes.
	And that's essentially the same thing as the solar storm.
	And so that will induce those bursts In the grid of thousands of bolts and thousands of amps that are going to disrupt each of those big power transformers and fry a large percentage, most of the transformers in the affected area will get cooked.
	So you're looking at far more damage but not nearly as widespread in an EMP. Now what's the chance of that?
	Most people in the military think that it's probably 3 to 1 that we're going to get hit with an EMP from a rogue state one of these days.
	At least 50-50.
	That's pretty bad chances.
	50-50.
	The good news is, if we put those massive...
	Vacuum tube switches in our grid will at least protect the grid.
	We won't be able to protect all of our electronics, but we could at least protect the grid.
	So for about a billion bucks, we could protect the grid from collapse.
	For about another billion bucks, we could put a year's worth of fuel and we could put EMP-hardened containers at every nuclear installation in the country so that in the event of an EMP, there's backup generators, backup batteries, and backup fuel on hand so that at least we can keep the cooling pumps going in the event of an EMP. Bad news again, they haven't done that.
	So it seems to me like this is a game over situation where it's cheap insurance to try and fix, you know, at least protect the most critical stuff.
	No way to protect all of your stuff from an EMP. Now, you know, we can talk about Faraday cages and all of that if you want in a few minutes, but once you ask me where you want to go next.
	Now that I've made your day.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Okay, what we're going to do at this point is move out of the sun, because it's just too much for me here.
	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy again from Project Camelot, and we are in a different location here, and I am here again with Matthew Stein, and we're going to continue our discussion, but so what I want to do is you're about to sort of Drill down between EMPs and solar storms, sort of finishing out that description of what could happen.
	And what I wanted to ask you was, you talked a lot about what would go down, but what I'd like you to do is bring it down to the individual a little more right now.
	And then tell people what they, in other words, in the eventuality that one of these things goes on.
	Right.
	You've kind of set the scene for what the big changes are.
	But how would it affect individual families, let's say.
	Let's just do a blow by blow.
	Okay.
	If you want to prepare for the possibility of these, in my book, When Disaster Strikes, I help people prepare for the different scenarios.
	So you need to think in terms of resilience.
	You need to think in terms of, where do I live?
	And if you're living in a community that's fairly rural and grows more food than it consumes, then you're in pretty good shape to stay put, perhaps.
	But realize that 37% of all Americans live within 50 miles of a nuclear power plant.
	So if you go out, and you look up at the sky, and it's blood red and orange like you've never seen before at night, and the power is out, and it's lit up.
	In 1921, it lit up from the North Pole all the way down to Hawaii, and all the way down to Puerto Rico.
	And it went from the South Pole all the way to American Samoa.
	So there was only a very tiny sliver of the deep tropical zones that didn't have a lit up night sky.
	So if you see an event like that, like you've never seen before in your life, then realize that this is probably going to be a long term event.
	And so you have to start thinking in terms of Things are getting worse day by day by day.
	We have a three-day food supply now in every major city in the United States.
	So this is where you really need to think ahead because there's a very significant possibility.
	Like, it's guaranteed to happen.
	Hopefully...
	If we're really lucky, either our government will snap out of it right away and do the right thing, or we'll get nailed by an event like hit South Africa, where it fried enough Transformers to really screw things up, but, you know, they were able to limp along and make things work.
	That would probably be the best thing for us, because it would make sure that we really fixed it, because they'd say, well, you know, we lost trillions of dollars because we didn't spend a billion, you know?
	And they would really fix it.
	Now, if it's worst case and they don't do anything and, you know, solar maximum happens in six months and we get one of those CMEs hits the earth, then you have to start thinking, well, where do I live?
	What's going to happen?
	Okay, three hours, cell phones are gone.
	Three days, your landline phones have gone.
	The shelves will be bare and looted.
	You won't be able to buy anything.
	No credit cards will work.
	No cash registers will work.
	Air conditionings won't work.
	Refrigerators won't work.
	Everything will start thawing out in the freezers.
	The food you're eating at the end of the week on a Friday...
	Is on a truck going across the country for delivery on a Monday of that week.
	So what you're buying in the store today was on a truck somewhere else in the country.
	It used to be that there was massive warehouses in every single city in the country.
	And that there was a month's worth of food on hand.
	But with the internet and just-in-time delivery, which was developed and perfected by the Japanese and spread here, now everything's on just-in-time because it's wasted money when it's sitting there in a warehouse.
	So instead of giant warehouses in the back of your grocery stores, they're like staging stations.
	The stuff comes off trucks, it kind of gets moved around a little and it gets put on the shelves.
	It's like it's going from the truck to staging and onto the shelves.
	There is no big warehouse anymore.
	So think ahead.
	Start thinking, okay, I need to store some food.
	Start thinking, water.
	I... In 1984, my daughter was three months old and I was an obsessive, addicted rock climber.
	And I thought, well, okay, you know, Cooped up with my wife's pregnancy and all this and births happen.
	I'm going to go to Yosemite and climb the wall.
	So I went to Yosemite Valley.
	I was rock climbing.
	We were doing El Capitan in Yosemite Valley.
	Spent three days doing the climb.
	We hauled our two quarts per person per day with standard amount of water.
	What we weren't expecting was record-breaking heat wave.
	It was Memorial Day weekend.
	Two years earlier when I did my first wall in Yosemite, the first time up El Cap, We started in the morning with our down jackets and our wool hats on.
	This time we started in the morning in the shade, in t-shirts and shorts.
	And when the sun came out, it was over 100 degrees.
	By day three, we could have finished the little bit of water we had left and been still thirsty.
	I almost cried.
	In the middle of the day, I dropped my last grapefruit.
	I just about cried watching that golden grapefruit drop a thousand feet down and take a bounce and then, you know, disappear out of sight.
	It was like, oh, I was so looking forward to that grapefruit.
	My partner would ask me a question.
	I'd be out on the rope a hundred feet above.
	He asked me a question and I'd try to answer him with...
	My tongue would stick to the roof of my mouth like superglue.
	And I start gagging and wretching.
	Imagine it's like someone...
	So what I'm saying is, when you're as thirsty as I was, you'll drink the most scummy, disgusting ditch pond or duck water, if that's all you've got to drink.
	You'll drink it.
	So think ahead.
	If you're in a city, where's 10 million people gonna go to the bathroom?
	Where's 10 million people gonna go get a drink of water?
	If you thought ahead and you have simple things, like a good backcountry water filter, you can put that in a scummy duck pond water, and you can pump it out, and you can fill your bottle with clean, good-tasting drinking water that's not going to make you sick.
	And if you've got a good backcountry filter, like MSR or ketodine, and you go to my website, Wentech Fails, click on Building the Ultimate Survival Kit, it has links to bio-like stuff, then you get, you know, if it gets plugged up, Then you take it apart with no tools, and you take a green scrubby, and you scrub the outside layer off the cartridge, and you're back in business, and you're going again.
	If you have a cheap filter, or a pleated filter, it works great until it's plugged, but your first time in that scummy ditch, it might be over.
	And then what are you going to do?
	You're going to be drinking out of that ditch.
	You're going to be drinking out of that duck pond.
	So these are things you've got to think about.
	Now you also have to think.
	37% of all Americans, more than one out of three Americans, live within 50 miles of the nuclear power plant.
	So if you go outside and see those incredible solar, you know, incredible aurora borealis, northern lights, and the power just stays off, and it's off the next day, it's off the next day, start thinking.
	One week back of fuel on hand at nuclear power plants.
	What's my get-out plan?
	Where am I going to go?
	If I can't drive a car, can I ride a bicycle?
	Can I take stuff in a pushcart with me so I don't have to just carry it on my back?
	You have to think of these things.
	Now, hopefully it will never happen.
	Emergency preparedness is like car insurance.
	I don't know anyone who buys car insurance and says, Oh, I've got insurance.
	I don't want to get in a head-on collision today.
	It's like, no, you know, nobody plans on getting in a hell of a collision.
	It's an accident.
	Accidents happen.
	Emergency preparedness is the same kind of thing.
	You hope you never need it.
	I hope I never need it.
	But I live in wildfire country and earthquake country.
	If I have a big earthquake happening in my town in the summer, the bridge is going to go down on both sides of me.
	My four-wheel drive pickup won't do me any good because I can't get through a deep river in a four-wheel drive pickup.
	And I'm going to have wildfires because hot water tanks are going to fall over with gas lines and they're going to break and fires are going to start out and nobody's going to be able to get to my neighborhood.
	Because they'll have their hands full everywhere they can get and they can't get across those bridges they're down.
	So I have to plan for the possibility that I might have to take my critical things, my critical documents and my critical supplies that I can live with for a few days, put them on my back and go down to the river.
	Because if I don't, I'm going to fry in a firestorm.
	EMP solar storm?
	You have to think of those things.
	You have to think about what are the obstacles?
	Where do I live?
	What's my local resilience like?
	If you're in a city, you're going to have to get out.
	If it's down for a long time, there's no way they're going to feed and clothe and keep those people going in the city.
	Now, if you've done a lot of stock stuff, it might be good to stay put and stay where you are for a while until things shake down.
	You're saying people have to get out of the city if...
	This kind of an, well, EMP or solar storm, are you suggesting they would leave a city?
	Because, you have to understand, I live, well, I live north of the Los Angeles area.
	But Los Angeles is going to become a parking lot.
	It will be.
	It will be.
	And people will have to go on foot, I imagine.
	And how long would cars, I mean, wouldn't you be able to run your car till you get to out of gas?
	Okay, here's the thing.
	There's this false belief That in an EMP, and Newt Gingrich was saying this instantly, all electronics in the United States would just stop instantly.
	Cars, everything stops.
	That's a falsity.
	In the EMP's test, where they actually simulated electromagnetic pulse, one out of seven cars does stop.
	It's on the road.
	So that means six out of seven cars are still running.
	They'll have funny electronic things.
	The clocks might not work.
	They might have lights, you know, issues.
	They'll have electrical issues.
	But they're still, like, actually getting down the road.
	Okay.
	But the gas pumps won't work.
	The water pumps won't work.
	The sewage pumps won't work.
	So your car will be working.
	And some of your electronic devices, unless you have solar chargers and rechargeable batteries, they'll work for a little while until those batteries go down.
	Some of them will cook.
	Some of them won't.
	The problem is that in a major city, You're going to have a very chaotic situation because the military needs the grid to operate also.
	You know, they can send in troops to isolated little places, you know, with backup generators and things like that.
	And at least in an EMP, they can bring stuff in from out of the area.
	Because, for instance, when the Soviet Union did an EMP simulation, they did an EMP test.
	Like, the United States did our EMP test in, like, 1961, Starfish Prime, over Johnston Island, about 500, 800 miles south of Honolulu.
	And they had calculated the EMP. An actual Nobel Prize winning physicist calculated it.
	But they didn't really understand it.
	It turned out he was off by more than a factor 10 to 1.
	So all of the instruments they had, the military stuff to measure, they all decked out.
	They were calibrated for way too small of a level.
	They didn't anticipate it.
	Wait a minute.
	Decked out?
	What do you mean by decked out?
	But meaning like if you've got a dial that's reading, if the dial goes to the top, you have no idea what your reading is.
	Because the dial is maxed out.
	In other words, everything went off the chart.
	So they actually had to figure out how strong the field was from instruments in Kronilu, like 500 miles away.
	Because the instruments locally were all set up ahead of time to read in a certain range.
	And the range was 10 times, at least 10 times bigger than what they anticipated.
	So their instruments weren't calibrated for that.
	So you can't get a reading when the needle's at the top.
	Okay, so how does that affect the military?
	Okay, so what that means is when the Soviets did their test, they did their test in Kazakhstan.
	I guess they figured, you know, it's kind of in the middle of nowhere and they're just dumb Kazakhstan people.
	So they actually blew an airburst off above Kazakhstan, like 50 miles above Kazakhstan.
	And they set up ahead of time with these big giant military generators, backup power, because they figured it was going to take the power down.
	Well, it took out all the backup generators.
	Now, realize that old-fashioned electronics from the 1960s era...
	was like a hundred to a thousand times more EMP resistant than modern electronics.
	See, modern electronics microchips, the traces are so close to each other that the EMP pulse tends to cause shorting across those traces on the microchips.
	So the old-fashioned stuff, like old cars, pre-microelectronics, old generators, pre-microelectronics, are supposed to be much more EMP resistant.
	That's why I'm saying it's such a big scary issue with nuclear power plants, because if the, quote, robust Military generators from 1960-61 failed in the EMP test in Kazakhstan.
	What do you think our modern generators and backup systems at our nuclear power plants and our digital electronics are going to do?
	Because that stuff's supposed to be a thousand times more robust back then.
	Okay, but what you're saying though, because we actually have a camera witness, Henry Deacon, who came out under his own name, named Arthur Neumann, who had told us about this.
	Uh, potentiality, especially the EMP, happening in the future.
	And he said it will happen.
	And he actually said where it would happen.
	Over the United States, over the West Coast first.
	West Coast first.
	Interesting.
	Is that because he's seen it in remote viewing?
	No.
	No, this is because he worked for Above Top Secret.
	And, well, the trouble is that they may actually do it on purpose.
	A false flag, if you will.
	Now, I know it sounds incredible, but this is actually, you know, this is Camelot, and this is what we talk about now.
	I want to stop you there, because he did say that you needed to have a car that was, I think he said, pre-1980.
	I might have that wrong.
	It's preferable.
	Okay.
	But you're saying, wait, you're saying the generators...
	The 60s generators, generators around, you know, 1960s, even those quit.
	That's correct.
	So, your cars, now realize that cars are relatively EMP resistant because sparky things are happening in cars all the time.
	They're insulated from the road with rubber tires.
	They're not plugged into anything with long pieces of wire.
	So a car, even a modern car, is somewhat EMP resistant.
	So an actual EMP simulation government test only One out of seven cars stopped immediately.
	And most of the ones that were turned off in part were drivable if they weren't turned on and operated.
	But they're more resistant to EMP, the older cars, because they don't have digital electronics.
	But electric cars, wouldn't they not run at all?
	Electric, yeah.
	Chances are like a really complicated hybrid would be much more sensitive to an EMP. I would agree with that.
	Chances are that they are...
	Especially if they're operating at the time.
	If they're turned off at the time, they might be more protected.
	Because a car is a metal box, kind of like a Faraday cage.
	So compared to other things, cars are relatively robust.
	Now, I was at a survivalist conference in Texas a couple years back.
	And there was a retired guy who worked in the nuclear, top secret military stuff for 25 years.
	And he said, The EMP simulation tests are simulating a standard nuclear device, not a super EMP device.
	So he basically said that if a device has specifically been modified and designed by high-level physicists to maximize the EMP effect, it doesn't even need to be a very big megaton device.
	It doesn't need to be huge.
	Then it will cause an effect that's far worse than the EMP simulation tests indicate.
	So if you have just like they bought a nuke on the black market, launched off a stud missile, what I'm describing is what you can expect.
	If they actually designed and manipulated the device to maximize the EMP effect, then you're talking probably a situation where the only cars that may survive are the older ones, pre-digital electronic cars.
	Which is pre-what year?
	About 1980, somewhere around 1980.
	1985, basically anything with modern...
	About 1980, they started having brains that controlled the emission systems.
	And as soon as they got into fuel injection, then they were all digital and brain controlled.
	Okay, but let's say the car works, just for the hell of it.
	Okay.
	But you're saying you can't get gas because the pumps don't work.
	You can't get gas because the pumps don't work.
	Why don't they make, I know it sounds maybe logical, it seems obvious to me.
	Don't pumps, gas pumps, didn't anyone ever built a gas pump that...
	Wouldn't have to depend on...
	When I was a kid, the old, you know, kind of round pumps, they had a hand crank.
	So when the power went out, you could hand crank the pump and get gas out.
	But that went away like in the 1970s.
	I worked in a ski wreck in Burlington, Vermont, top-notch ski shop and bike shop from high school.
	That was my high school job.
	It was a very cool job.
	And we had a hand crank on the old NCR register.
	So when the power went out, You could turn on a lantern, put the little crank in and crank it and run the register.
	That's all gone.
	Everything's digital now.
	That's like old-fashioned kind of stuff.
	Okay, I have another thing for you.
	I worked at JPL as a contractor for a while.
	Okay.
	And the interesting thing about JPL is they have these old phones.
	And they did get rid of them.
	Right.
	And I knew that the reason they kept them around meant that something was definitely coming in the future.
	I have one of those old phones.
	I have...
	I'll plug in non-digital phone at home so that when the power's out, I can plug it into the line and if there's still a phone signal, it works.
	But realize three days later that's gone.
	Why is that money?
	Well, it might actually, in a solar storm, three days later it's gone because they don't have the backup power to keep those batteries charged to run the central switching stations in the phone.
	But remember, solar storm doesn't screw up your digital electronics.
	It just fries the infrastructure.
	Because if Fry's a grid, then the grid's totally dependent on the infrastructure.
	So you have a cascading collapse that gets worse day by day by day, as everything runs out of backup power, backup fuel, and all of that, and it just gets worse and worse and worse.
	Like Hurricane Katrina.
	They studied the high-impact report, the HILF report, and the EMP report.
	And if you go to 400 Chernobyls, just Google it, and you can find it at various sources.
	I have hot links, like on my Wentech Fails website, 400 Chernobyl is featured on the homepage and it says read more.
	You get the whole article and there's hot links.
	So EMP reports, HILF report, all of that is linked through hot links.
	So you can go to them and download the PDFs yourself.
	Okay.
	So they looked at all of this stuff and they said, this is really, really bad.
	We are totally screwed.
	In the event that this happens.
	We're totally unprepared.
	Okay, but I still want to go, I want to go back to electricity.
	I know, I know this would be, they may be dumb questions, but I know that other people will have them.
	Oh yeah.
	Which is, let's say that the pulse comes through and fries things.
	You're saying that the transformers are, are we saying that all transformers will automatically be fried, or are we saying that maybe some might survive?
	Some might survive.
	We're in this little building here.
	Would possibly this building then still have an electrical current that runs through it at some point?
	If you have a backup solar system and a small electric power generator, And at least for a few days...
	I mean, back of solar system...
	What do you mean back of solar?
	No, it's saying...
	A friend of mine, Chuck Nanto, is saying he's pushing in Congress to try and have every town and community push for getting 10% of their energy done through renewable sources, like solar, wind, etc.
	Oh, you mean solar.
	Okay.
	Yeah, solar.
	Yeah, solar panels.
	It's true in an EMP that if your power inverter that takes the solar and makes one 10 out of it, it would probably cook.
	But if you have like a backup one, you can store them in a container if you want to have a few spare parts.
	So, for instance, I have a travel trailer with a single large solar panel on it and two really expensive 6-volt golf cart batteries and a small charge controller and an inverter.
	And so, in the event that the power in the grid is down long term, it's such a luxury to have that one solar panel on those batteries where you can run a water pump, you can run a heater fan, you can charge your cell phone battery, you can do all of those things.
	So, even if you...
	It's very expensive to put 100% Renewable solar system in to make all of your power for your home.
	But if you can do 10% with a renewable system, a solar system, then that 10% is such a luxury.
	If the grid's down, you'll find you'll do extremely well on that 10% of the power.
	In other words, 10% of what you normally use is like an incredible luxury when there's nothing.
	It's like it makes such a huge difference.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, I wanted to ask about the sewage situation because...
	The sewage is huge.
	What is that situation?
	I don't know.
	The situation is hell.
	Why?
	Because...
	You know what runs downhill?
	No, but I mean, when you flush toilets, what happens?
	When you flush toilets...
	Okay, when you flush toilets...
	Electricity?
	Yes.
	Because electricity is required to pump the water, to pressurize the water, to purify the water, that runs the system to flush your toilet.
	Plus, when you flush your toilet, you know what runs downhill, you know?
	The stuff runs downhill, is a famous thing.
	And so...
	When you flush your toilet, it runs downhill.
	But there's low spots in the sewage systems in all the cities, and they have electrically driven sewage pumps that take this stuff from low spots and pump it over here to the high spots.
	So all of a sudden, all that stuff stops.
	So very quickly, all your toilets will back up.
	Raw sewage will start running out onto the streets.
	Maybe.
	It's like the water will stop running.
	It's flushing.
	So if the water continues to run for a while because you have big water towers in the city, then you'll probably generate enough sewage that raw sewage will start backing up and running out of the streets.
	But then, after a while, the water in those towers will be depleted, and there will be no pumps to pump water back up into the towers, and you won't have any water to flush a toilet.
	So where does 10 million people come?
	What about generators?
	Okay.
	Generators, I have, like, I have multiple generators.
	I have a little 2KW, 2,000 watt Honda generator, very quiet, very great, very portable, very energy efficient.
	See, here's the thing with generators.
	People think, you know, they get a big mass of generators so you can run everything.
	Well, you know how much money it costs and how much fuel it sucks to run that big generator?
	So I have a little generator that's quiet, won't drive me crazy.
	And I have a 5KW jobsite generator that can run 220 volts out of it.
	I can run a couple of skill saws off of it.
	I can run an air conditioning system off of it.
	I can run a lot off of it.
	But most of the time, I'm going to use my 2KW Honda generator.
	And because that is quiet and I can run a few loads, like my refrigerator, a few lights, maybe the fan on my furnace.
	If there's still gas, natural gas running, your furnace will need electricity to run the fan.
	And so I can run the basics to keep my house going off my quiet, low-cost, It's an expensive generator, but it's quiet and it's efficient.
	So I can run it on like 5 bucks a day to keep the basics of my house going.
	If I run a mid-size generator, my job-size generator, I'm talking like 30 bucks a day, 40 bucks a day in gas, and I have to store all that fuel.
	And if I'm running a big generator, I'm talking over 100 bucks a day in fuel.
	What about propane?
	Propane is good if you can get it.
	Like, propane is More efficient, and you can store lots of propane in your house and not have a threat.
	If you've got a big propane tank, it's a great way to run a generator.
	It's really the best backup fuel for a generator is propane.
	Diesel is also good, but diesel has problems in cold weather of it gels when it gets really cold and has other issues of it.
	It has long-term storage problems.
	It ages.
	It doesn't age well.
	You have to put preservative in it to keep it working right over long-term.
	So propane is actually the best backup fuel.
	But then, you know, if you want to take that propane and go down the road with your generator, that's when you want your little Honda and a 5-gallon gas tank.
	So you can throw it in the back of your truck and bring it with you in your car.
	Now, in an EMP, If the EMP is really bad, it may well fry my generator stuff.
	I mean, the EMPs over Kazakhstan fry the big military generators.
	So, you know, if it's a bad EMP, it's probably going to cook your generator.
	It's probably going to cook your inverter on a big solar system.
	So, if people are really concerned about storing backups, it's fairly easy to protect from an EMP. There's something called a Faraday cage, basically a metal box.
	So you have a big metal box around anything electronic.
	And what happens is, is the EMP, like, induces this, like, massive wave into the box.
	And the box kind of reflects on itself all around, and so it's a balanced field inside the box when things are protected.
	So, a box is as simple as you can take an electronic device and wrap it in aluminum foil.
	Well, yeah.
	See, that's what Henry Deacon told us to do.
	He also said to wrap it in aluminum foil and bury it.
	He said that you do that with your computer.
	Yeah, well, there's varying things.
	You can download, you can go like EMP Military Grounding and Bonding, and you'll find an actual technical PDF of about 100 pages that you can download.
	So if you're technically oriented, then you can try to do like a really super well-protected and properly grounded and bonded enclosure around it.
	But I've talked to guys, an electrical engineer who worked in the military for a long time, they said if you're not technically oriented, do a double Faraday page is better than trying to do anything else.
	And what that is, is you...
	So for instance, get a galvanized garbage can.
	Okay, and then take a bunch of whatever electronic devices, like a computer and stuff, you want to protect.
	It's backup, you know?
	I mean, obviously, you're not going to...
	You're using your computer every day, so you have some backup stuff there.
	Maybe a shortwave radio.
	Maybe, you know, computer.
	Maybe, you know, some...
	Flashlights, a generator, you know, think things that you really care about because you're really not going to care about the insignificant stuff in a situation like that.
	You wrap them in foil or aluminum screen.
	It's tougher than foil and it works just as good.
	The tiny holes, you know, little holes like fingertip-sized holes, those are okay.
	Because as long as the holes are smaller than the waveform, then they're okay.
	So, aluminum screen works just as well as aluminum foil.
	And then what you do is you tape some screen or foil around your stuff, then you wrap it in a garbage bag to insulate it, and then you stack all these things in like an old refrigerator to cut the cord off, or inside of a galvanized garbage can.
	And then you've got what's called a double ferret cage.
	You've got an individual wrap, then you've got insulation from plastic, and then you've got an outside metal box enclosure.
	It's called the double ferret cage.
	I see.
	Okay.
	So let's...
	Now, I'm assuming...
	I'm assuming that people can get your book and can also go, you know, like laundry list through everything.
	Right.
	But for the purposes of this interview, so that we're not here for, you know, several a day.
	Or for the whole weekend.
	Going down and, you know, take your workshop.
	I highly recommend it.
	Can you sort of, what you're talking about is natural events, you're talking natural disasters when these things happen, right?
	And man-made.
	And man-made.
	Man-made.
	Okay, and so when we talk EMP, we are talking man-made.
	Right.
	EMP, we're talking man-made.
	Solar storm, coronal mass ejection, GMG, geomagnetic disturbance, extreme GMD. Those are...
	Mother Nature.
	Right.
	And that's a crap shot.
	That's rolling the dice.
	Although it could also be because there's weather wars and because they can also stimulate that, you know.
	Well, they can't stimulate the sun, to my knowledge.
	Okay.
	They may be able to stimulate, like, hurricanes and earthquakes and things, but as far as a geomagnetic event from the sun, that's beyond our ability to stimulate.
	Stimulate.
	Yeah, I get that.
	Okay.
	Well, okay, so...
	At this moment, you know, people are going to be wondering, first of all, I know we didn't start out with your background, but can you tell us a little bit about why they should kind of believe you or some other people that might be out there kind of talking about this subject?
	Okay, I have a Bachelor of Science from MIT in mechanical engineering.
	I'm not a nuclear engineer, mechanical engineer.
	I was a National Merit Scholar.
	I also have a background in backcountry stuff.
	I started rock climbing and extreme skiing at age 11, and I've been up 13,000 foot peaks, done extreme ice and rock.
	I've slept in the snow by myself above 11,000 feet at 20 below zero, and I've crossed the Sierras for 10 days at a time all by myself with what I have in the back.
	So, you're talking about a well-rounded person.
	I've been a carpenter, a contractor, a green builder, a rock climbing and ski instructor, a high school math instructor, a first aid instructor, and a mechanical engineer.
	Okay, but weren't you also in the military?
	I was never in the military.
	You were never in the military?
	No.
	Richard Allen Miller!
	Yeah.
	We'll talk to you later today.
	He's in the military.
	I have no military background.
	I see.
	I graduated high school.
	The draft was eliminated.
	I had to register for the draft, but the Vietnam War just ended, and they eliminated the draft.
	So even though I had to register, I never was drafted, and I never joined the military.
	I was not in ROTC. Now, I had friends.
	One of my climbing partners at MIT was cadet of the year, but I was never in ROTC. Okay.
	Okay, that's all good.
	So I just wanted to kind of get that covered.
	In terms of looking at the situation, it appears that you are really seeing something in the future.
	And actually, in talking to you, it seems like you actually seem to think maybe very recently.
	Here is...
	People say, I wrote a book called When Technology Fails.
	People say, what is an MIT engineer doing writing a book called When Technology Fails?
	Back in 1997, at that point in time, I'd had a 20-year practice of prayer and meditation.
	Nothing fanatic, a good way to start my day.
	Occasionally, I'd have difficult engineering problems I'd be working on.
	I wasn't happy with the design solution I came up with.
	I'd pray and meditate and ask for help.
	And pictures would snap into my head that were better than I could figure out myself.
	Well in 1997, roughly Thanksgiving, I simply asked the generic question of guidance and inspiration.
	Please guide me.
	And all of a sudden I received a vision, a holographic pictorial storyboard outline, kind of moving three-dimensional pictures.
	That outlined this massive book to help people live more sustainably, more self-reliantly, and to help them cope with a future where for long periods of time our central infrastructure was either unavailable or totally collapsed.
	My first thought after this, now realize, this became my book When Technology Fails, which is, you know, phone book size, massive book.
	My first thought was like, no effing way.
	I mean, I don't know all this stuff, I'm an engineer, I'm not a writer, and I can't possibly do this.
	Now, Jesus calls it the still small voice.
	So the little voice in my head said, No one knows it all.
	And it assured me that I had the skills and talents that if I took the assignment on, I'd get the inner and outer help I needed.
	Meaning, with my dogged determination and engineering skills and background as a carpenter and outdoorsman, I'd find all the materials and dig up the experts and put together the material.
	And then, intuitionally, they, meaning the guides, the masters, the Holy Spirit, whatever you want to call them, it's clearly a they, But I have no idea who they are.
	I like to refer to it as the Holy Spirit or my guides.
	They said that I'd get the guidance I needed to steer me in the right direction so that I could make this happen.
	Well, it took me like a year to decide maybe I could do it.
	It was a good idea.
	I found the editor of the Whole Earth Catalog, took over from Stuart Brand, Howard Reinbold.
	I thought it was a great idea.
	My friend Rick Sylvester had been an extreme skier stuntman from Bond movies and wrote articles for Outside and Penhouse and stuff.
	He thought it was a great idea.
	Eric Perlman, a filmmaker, extreme skier, extreme event film guy, does specials on TV. He said, good idea, and he told me, you know, you've got to write a proposal.
	So in the second year, I did a proposal, sampled chapters, found a small publisher to take it on, gave me a modest advance.
	And then the third year, I bit the bullet and racked up the credit cards.
	Worked 70 hours a week and basically had no income for a year and lived off of, I had no savings really, so lived off of debt and equity in my home and made it happen.
	And that came out in Thanksgiving in 2000.
	So I missed Y2K or I would have made a lot of money on it.
	But I never thought Y2K was going to do anything anyways.
	And then in 2008 I put another year of labor and lost wages into a massive update in the book.
	So that's why I'm here.
	They, meaning the guides, the Holy Spirit, whatever, have not shown me exactly what's going to happen and when it's going to happen and how it's going to happen.
	So just like everybody else, I don't claim to have that knowledge.
	But I think that humanity, on a massive level, is intuitively getting that something really big, black swan, Either it's a huge cascading fall from the natural consequences of business as usual, or it's that which we're seeing in the startup right now, the long emergency, or it's a couple of really big game-changing black swan events.
	And I lean more towards the latter, but I think it's probably a combination of the two we're going to see.
	Okay, and when you say black swan event, because that's an interesting way of saying it, You're talking about an EMP or solar storm?
	I'm talking about an EMP, a solar storm, or like a super coordinated, you know, attack of some kind.
	I'm saying it's a high impact, low frequency.
	A Hilf event or a black swan event is something which it's like A huge event doesn't happen very often, but it's totally game-changing.
	It shifts things radically.
	What do you mean by high impact, low frequency?
	Well, meaning that, like, in your lifetime and in my lifetime, we haven't seen an extreme solar event.
	And the last extreme solar event happened when there was no brain.
	So it was like, oh, the sky lit up great, a few power plants, Penn Central Station burned down, a few telegraph stations burned down, the Carrington event, and, you know, communications were disrupted.
	But in those days, you know, you took your horse and cart and you went over the hill to the farm and, you know, you got your eggs and your butter from the farm next door.
	And so, you know, there was no power, and you just had individual cities with generators that were electrified in individual cities.
	Not in 1859, none of that was there.
	It was just telegraphs then.
	1921, individual cities electrified, but no big power grid.
	Nothing to really capture these massive waves from space like we have now.
	No big transformers to fry.
	So it was kind of no big deal.
	It was like an interesting, intriguing event.
	It was written about all over the world, but it really didn't, life went on as usual.
	So the frequency is so rare that we're not ready for it.
	Because the last time it happened was before a big grid, before microelectronics, before all this stuff.
	Okay, so when you're saying low frequency, you mean it doesn't happen very often?
	Right.
	Meaning that it happened rarely.
	Relatively rarely.
	Now, I'm really not worried about The comet hitting the Earth.
	It may.
	But a big comet or a big asteroid hitting the Earth, it's a huge event.
	But it's extremely low frequency.
	So yeah, it probably wiped out the dinosaurs.
	There's probably a giant hit in the Yucatan Peninsula.
	I don't worry about that.
	But something that happens every 50 to 100 years, and it's been 90 years since the last time, That's reason to worry.
	That's reason to worry.
	Or something that happens because there's so many countries that don't like the United States.
	Now, this guy, Benjamin Newsom, is a pseudonym called Riza Kaloui.
	He was reputed to be...
	An Iranian-born student that came to the United States, was educated in the United States.
	Revolution happened in Iran.
	He called him home.
	He joined the Republican or Revolutionary Guard in Iran.
	He worked in there.
	He got disillusioned.
	He became a CIA spy and eventually came to the United States for protection.
	He's been writing a lot under a pseudonym.
	He claims that there's multiple nuclear devices in Iran now that have been...
	Bought or assembled things from out of town.
	So in other words, whether they got it from Pakistan, or whether they got it from the black market from Kazakhstan, or something like that, I don't know.
	So, according to him, and I don't know if he's a real person, or if he's a construct or a fake, I can't tell you, because I haven't met the guy.
	But there are, like a General Shafer, there's people who've been in the army who say that this is real, that they do already have nukes.
	So now imagine, That they've got something to launch an EMP attack.
	We know they have missile capabilities, and we know they're working on a nuclear program.
	But say that they're not just working on a program, but they've already assembled things from out of town.
	Okay, and what about the notion of a submarine, like where they shoot a missile from a submarine?
	Well, a submarine is possible, but it's so much easier to just have a little junk freighter, a boat out in international waters, and just, you know...
	It just looks like a fishing boat.
	A missile launches off.
	They scuttle the boat.
	The boat sinks.
	I mean, people are willing to blow themselves up all over as suicide bombers.
	How many guys would it take to do that?
	They don't need a submarine.
	They don't need to be that fancy of technology.
	They just have a fishing boat and a missile on it.
	They don't care because they're all going to die anyway.
	So, you just...
	The missile goes off from the boat, blows up over the United States.
	We got it.
	Okay.
	In terms of the future that you're looking at, though, are you at all looking at sort of a Planet X incoming planetoid event that would...
	You know, I'm keeping an open mind.
	I mean, open mind is skeptic on that one.
	I mean, my son is totally convinced and he thinks I'm crazy that I haven't accepted the evidence that Planet X is coming and all of that.
	But I'm keeping an open mind.
	There's so much disinformation out there.
	Unless I have an astrophysicist buddy That I can tag, and he says, yeah, I've seen it, and it's here, and there's the evidence.
	I'm still keeping an open mind on that one.
	It's like, maybe.
	Maybe that's what the women at Fatima saw, you know, in the visions with Christ and Mother Mary.
	I don't know.
	Okay, now what about the notion that...
	Let's see, it's not an incoming plant, but you are really seeming to focus on the solar maximum idea, right?
	Well, the solar thing is a guaranteed event.
	It's just rolling the dice.
	Like, it's a natural recurring event.
	Okay, well, we are in solar cycle 24, from what I understand, correct?
	I'm not sure what cycle, but we're approaching a max.
	Every 11 years, the sun's pulse flip, and it has an increasingly active period.
	A game-changing EMP can happen at any point in the solar cycle.
	It just is more likely to happen around a maximum.
	Okay, now this solar storm event, how often will that happen in the solar maximum?
	Do you know?
	I don't know, honestly, if the 1829 or 1921 events were in the maximums.
	I've looked at charts.
	Showing where the big coronal mass ejections are compared to the maximums and minimums.
	And they clearly said that a bad EMP, an extreme event, can happen anywhere in the cycle.
	It's just more likely than the maximum.
	Because, for instance, last week there was a coronal mass ejection, sometime in the last couple of weeks, that was bigger than the Carrington event.
	It just didn't come near Earth.
	It went off somewhere else.
	So those kinds of things are happening.
	And we're getting close to the maximum.
	As far as I can tell, it's not like this cycle is any more active than many of the other cycles at the maximum.
	So far, it's heating up some, but I'm not getting any indications it's any worse than another one.
	Okay, but don't you notice that the sun is acting very strangely?
	I do notice that.
	That the light has changed?
	I do notice that, that the light has changed.
	It's acting strangely.
	Is it planet X? Is it what's happened in the atmosphere?
	There's clearly, on a...
	On a celestial level, there's some kind of balancing winds that are coming through, particle waves coming through, like solar wind but coming from somewhere else, that has changed.
	Some have said it's tied into the new cycle of the zodiac that we've gone into.
	I don't know.
	You know, that's not really my area of expertise.
	Right.
	And going in alignment in the galactic center.
	Right.
	All of this kind of thing.
	Right.
	So clearly, clearly something has shifted in terms of the high energy particle field that the Earth is traveling through right now.
	And it's not coming from our sun.
	And that could also affect the interaction with the sun.
	There are different interactions, but that's not my area of expertise, so I'd be misleading you if I told you definitively one way.
	No, but I just wanted to sort of throw those things out, because people are aware of those various, it's like a laundry list of things.
	And we also have, you know, because it's Camelot that you're talking to, we have witnesses from above top secret clearance.
	Right.
	And one in particular that you would be very interested, I'm sure, in knowing...
	Is a very well-respected scientist who was brought on board on Homeland Security several years ago.
	He contacted us, sort of under the radar.
	And he said he was told unequivocally and persuaded that there were going to be three events in the future.
	And Camelot has talked about this.
	One is a CMA. One is a...
	A magnetic pole shift and one is a regular shift.
	You know, a...
	The actual axis shift.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	And now, um...
	I mean, I've heard about all of them.
	Right.
	I just don't claim to be an expert.
	I know, but the reason I'm bringing these up is because your preparedness notions...
	Right.
	Right?
	Will come in handy no matter which thing happens, right?
	Oh, yes.
	I don't claim...
	I claim you have been told, very specifically from a higher source, that there will be long periods where the infrastructure will be down.
	I have not been told how and when in the specific details for how that's going to happen.
	Now, I'm not smart enough.
	A term paper in college was a major ordeal.
	In my book, When Technology Fails, there's like 30 term papers at once.
	It took me three years to turn that into the book, and then another year of effort later to update it, to turn that vision that was dumped instantaneously in my head into a physical manifestation of that manual for self-reliance, sustainability, and survival of a long emergency.
	Now, how well prepared, some people say, well, how well prepared are you?
	Well, I, you know, I lost my shirt doing that book because my publisher's bankrupt, he never paid me, so.
	So, and then the financial downturn, you know, took things down, I was building, so.
	Well, we're going to sell you, we're going to probably sell a lot of books for you.
	So I'm doing what I can, and I encourage people to do what they can.
	Because not everybody has tons of money.
	Most of us don't, in this day and age.
	You know, unless we're in the top 1%, 2%, we're not rolling in it right now.
	So you do what you can.
	So what am I doing?
	I got the short-term stuff totally down.
	I have a travel trailer with an inverter, solar batteries.
	I have all the backcountry gear.
	I have a really big library on foraging.
	Because people say, you know, oh my gun's an animal, I'm gonna go out and hunt.
	I grew up hunting in Vermont and fishing.
	And I often like to ask people, like, I get all these guys, macho guys in the audience, and I say, okay, how many of you guys had a really good day hunting on the last day of hunting season?
	And so far I've had one guy raise his hand and one woman.
	One woman got a 10-point elk, and she was very proud of it.
	She beat all the guys out.
	And all the rest of those guys had terrible days on the last day of hunting season.
	So when things go down, we get a heavily armed country, and everyone's going to get their gun and go out hunting.
	Well, on the first day of hunting season, everyone wants to go out because the game's all over the place.
	It's not easy to pop.
	On the second day of hunting season, there's a quarter of what there was on the first day.
	And each day afterwards, it goes down and down and down.
	Because the game that doesn't get killed gets really smart.
	So, when the Soviet Union collapsed, The lifeline of fuel and food and spare parts to North Korea and Cuba is gone like that overnight.
	Their lifeline is gone.
	So what happened to North Korea?
	If you weren't part of the government, if you weren't tied in, you were on your own.
	All the rats, mice, squirrels, geckos, cockroaches.
	People were living off all of that.
	Bunny rats, you know, worms.
	People were digging up grass.
	The roots of grasses aren't too bad.
	And if you have to, you can cook the top of green grass and eat that too.
	That's what they fed the prisoners in the gulag in Russia, in Siberia.
	You know, Alexander Solzhenitsyn, he ate...
	Mush made from grass.
	That's what he ate every day.
	I mean, that's what he was fed.
	He was a prisoner working in the work camps.
	So that's the kind of thing.
	So your ability to forage is a huge difference because...
	Here, I'll tell another story.
	This one's such a valuable story.
	It's a great story.
	I was on the air ten years ago with a guy who teaches permanent living skills and survival from Arizona.
	We were both like co-guests on this.
	And we're chatting.
	It might have been Cody Lundin.
	I don't know.
	I didn't know who Cody Lundin was then.
	And so, you know, if it was him, I didn't know it was his name.
	It probably was him, actually, but I can't say that for sure.
	And he shared this story.
	He said that he teaches primitive winning skills classes, like how to do things the old Indian ways, you know.
	And then for the last three days of class, they split up into groups.
	They go out in the wilderness and And you can't bring a knife, you can't bring a gun, you can't bring a fish hook.
	You know, you gotta, you can just have the clothes on your rack.
	And you gotta, like, make everything the old way.
	So, he says almost invariably in his classes they split up and the men go one way and the women go the other way.
	And the men hunt, the men focus on hunting and fishing because that's the manly macho thing to do.
	We're hunters and fishers.
	And the women focus on gathering.
	They look for edible roots and tubers and berries and, you know, plants and things like that.
	And he says, pretty much invariably, come day three, the starving men, the women take pity on the starving men and share their bounty with the men that they got from foraging.
	Because without guns and knives and fish hooks, the men got nothing.
	Trying to hunt fish with just primitive old-fashioned skills.
	Not to say you can't learn to do it that way.
	Not to say you can't be good at that.
	But it's damn hard.
	It's not easy.
	Doing it the old-fashioned way.
	It's not easy.
	It takes a lot of skill, a lot of patience, a lot of time.
	Think about all those lions and tigers.
	You watch them out there, and 9 out of 10 times they're unsuccessful on the hunt.
	You know, they go out and they miss their target, and then it runs away.
	Okay, but let's, you know, because a lot of people live in cities...
	Yes.
	We're really talking, I mean, we're not talking about people that can even forage.
	I mean, they can forage in the cities, look for garbage and all this kind of stuff.
	But you're actually advising they leave the cities.
	But if there was a sudden event, if it's sudden, and everyone wants to leave the city...
	It'll be tough.
	Then you're, I mean, you're talking about kind of a really Armageddon kind of city.
	You're talking, like, remember some of those old movies...
	Where there's...
	Like you see China and there's been a famine.
	Like the Good Earth was a classic movie.
	Pearl Buck wrote it, I think.
	And there's a famine.
	And there's people with pushcarts and packs on their back and walking down the road.
	Look at Darfur!
	The Darfur children...
	The boys and the kids going out of Darfur.
	They're just going down the road, they're helping each other, they're foraging along the way, going with what they have on their backs.
	You're talking, unfortunately, you're talking situations like that.
	Right, but they're going to leave the cities and they're going to go towards the wilderness and towards areas that have plenty, right?
	That's correct.
	But I was also thinking, I mean, the bottom line is that a lot of the game, as you call it, would be eliminated anyway because there's not that many forests left.
	That's correct.
	That's correct.
	There is far more people in the world now.
	That it can support through the hunter-gatherer society that we had when the Native Americans ruled North America.
	But you'll also find that, for instance, the crash in the third world won't be so hard, because those people will be living the way they live anyways.
	The crash in the first world will be extremely hard.
	Now, I'm not hoping for it.
	I'm not hoping for a total collapse scenario.
	And it's going to be hard even on me, with all my skills and talents.
	In fact, in the vision that I had in 1997, I was shown That if I was dropped in the Amazon basin with just the clothes on my back, no guns, no knives, no nothing, that I couldn't duplicate a thing out of our modern society.
	I'm a carpenter, a contractor, an extreme backcountry guy, and a mechanical engineer from MIT, and I couldn't duplicate a thing and I might not even survive.
	And I realized at that moment, if I couldn't do that, how bad the average person would be.
	So my book, When Technology Fails, I also show people the basics of how to, like, tan leather, how to make a backyard foundry, so you could scrap together stuff and melt down steel and catch the horseshoe or a belt buckle or a spare part if you need it.
	And I show people that, and I show them the basics, so if you're smart and handy, just from what I have in the book, you can figure it out.
	And I also tell them the end of each chapter ends in a resource guide, so that you can, if you want to learn or know more about that, I... I bought $10,000 in books and spent three years of my life doing this.
	So you can just read it and say, okay, I want to buy that book.
	I want to do this.
	You don't have to do the three years of your life that I put into it.
	So it's because if society collapses, I'd much rather go back to an 1800s lifestyle than to caveman days or Mad Max.
	1800s, someone in my great-grandmother's age Someone in every town knew how to make, grow, or fabricate the basics for what was needed to lead a reasonable standard of living, a reasonable life.
	Nowadays, all of our shoes are made in China.
	The old time foundry man, they're gone.
	I had the luxury when I was at MIT They had this maintenance guy who'd been an old time founder man when we still cast all of this stuff in America.
	All the metal stuff was cast and forged and made here.
	And they made a little casting lab in the downstairs.
	And we got to like make wooden patterns and pound sand and make sand casting and have a, you know, have a big, pull the molten metal out of the oven and pour it into our castings.
	And so I had the, it was such a really cool experience to have.
	But, you know, how many people do you know have that experience?
	So I tried to teach that kind of stuff.
	And I blown glass the old-fashioned way and made pottery and pit-fired it.
	And so, people in the third world can live a reasonable standard of living.
	Now, realize that with our population density, we can't really make it all happen with third world technologies.
	So, unfortunately, in a big-time collapse, there's going to be a thinning that happens.
	It's just a fact of life.
	Nature works with overshoot and collapse in a very harsh way.
	Let me give you an example of how nature deals with this.
	In the 1950s, someone got the bright idea that there was this island in the Bering Sea between Alaska and Russia called St.
	Matthews Island.
	And if they put some reindeer on the island, then these reindeer would populate and it would be a good food source if there was like a war or somebody shipwrecked or something, it would be a good food source.
	So they started with 24 reindeer.
	Like 10 years later, they were up to 1500.
	And three years after that, they went to 6,000 reindeer.
	Well, an island that size had been calculated, it could support like somewhere 1,500, 2,000 reindeers, like the sustainable, long-term level.
	This is called overshoot and collapse.
	This is how nature deals with it.
	So what happened when we got to 6,000 reindeer, when the population tripled in three years, quadrupled in three years, they ate everything in cycle.
	All the topsoil washed away, and a year later, there was 24 reindeer left.
	And ten years later, the last sick and lonely reindeer died on St.
	Matthews Island in 1975.
	The last sick reindeer died.
	So that's how nature deals with it.
	When you soil the nest, when you overpopulate and you soil the nest and eat everything inside, it's bad and it's nasty and it's not fun.
	And see, right now, The United States population and lifestyle is supported by all of these fossil fuels and all of these natural resources from all around the world.
	So we have, what, 3.5% of the world's population, something like that, and we consume a quarter of the world's natural resources.
	For 3.5% of the population.
	So it's like we're the Roman Empire and we're just drawing and we're the big parasite on the planet that's sucking all of this stuff from all over the planet to maintain Rome, modern-day Rome.
	So if all of a sudden something happens and we're not able to suck all this stuff from all over the planet, we're in trouble.
	Now the good news is the United States grows more food per capita than just about anywhere else in the world.
	So we have the ability, we still have pretty abundant resources that we've blown most of our oil.
	We were the Saudi Arabia of the world in the 1950s when Hubbard, M. King Hubbard predicted, he was a geophysicist and he was the head of a large Head of research in major oil companies.
	He predicted that the United States production of oil was going to peak around 1970 and then start declining after that.
	He was accurate to within two years.
	I think it was 18 months accuracy in his prediction.
	When he made that prediction, we were the Saudi Arabia of the world.
	We were...
	Pumping and refining and exporting more oil than any other country in the world.
	We were the Saudi Arabia of the world in the mid-1950s when he made that prediction.
	The oil experts, the oil industry jumped all over him and he was right.
	And he predicted a similar feat in the world.
	So what we're seeing now is we're supporting this with all of these like ghost slaves.
	In the United States, each and every one of us It uses the average of 50 ghost slaves in energy from the fossil fuels that are burned to keep our lifestyle going.
	It's as if we had 50 slaves pulling, you know, doing stuff for us.
	But that's all done from fossil fuels.
	So naturally, if all of a sudden the tap is turned off, We're going to have to shift back to an agrarian lifestyle.
	There's going to be sharecropping.
	There's going to be people using their manual labor to make things happen.
	And so people say, well, what can I do?
	It's like, if I don't have much money, develop your skill set.
	Because skills are going to be incredibly valuable.
	Maybe you are really good at healing.
	That's going to be really necessary.
	Whether it's energy healing, or whether it's natural herbs and medicines, or homeopathy, or whether it's chiropractic.
	I appreciate all that, but let me ask you this.
	If people are going to be in this situation, what about free energy?
	Free energy.
	I actually was hired to work on a free energy device.
	And it failed.
	But it was...
	I never got to meet the inventor.
	And I don't claim to understand the physics behind it.
	I believe it's possible.
	It hasn't been demonstrated to me.
	I do know of one guy who supposedly had a coal fusion kind of thing.
	Powered his house in L.A. for five years.
	He's...
	Nelson Camus, Dr.
	Camus, he was educated in He has a PhD in electrical engineering.
	He was in the PhD program at Princeton and MIT in nuclear physics.
	And then he had a contract on his wife and they had to like move him out of the country and put him under the radar.
	And he supposedly had a device he powered his house with for five years and then it was stolen.
	And he's also developed like super batteries that are, that can be recharged ten times as much.
	Right.
	So there is, I believe there's solutions out there, but I don't have direct experience where I can tell you 100% that yes, over-unity devices are here today and they work and they're great and they're going to solve all of our problems.
	I would like to believe that that's so, and it just hasn't been proven to me yet, but I don't, I'm not saying it's not so, I'm not saying it is so.
	The only time I was hired to work on the device, it failed.
	Okay.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	So, you know, there's sort of talk about coal as one of the old, you know, energy sources.
	And I don't know, in other words, let's just take trains, for example.
	Automobiles don't work.
	Because I'm also thinking, what about the military?
	The above-top secret military has access to free energy.
	That's a given.
	I could buy this.
	It hasn't been proven to me, but I could buy it.
	But I'm looking at a situation in which we have, let's say all of this happens, but you've got a military or some police officer State-type people who want to organize and run this sort of place.
	In other words, they have access and nobody else does.
	Yes.
	And are we to assume that they can get from point A to point B? Because if they, sure, if they have local tribes, they can train, I think.
	Post office workers right now to do some of these things.
	Literally, they are training police and emergency people to handle these kinds of things in the background.
	But it's highly likely, it seems to me, that large groups of troops wouldn't be able to get transported from Point A to I'm
	asking you here, I'm not actually asking you to say if that could happen.
	I'm asking you to say that if that does happen, if we have an event Then what, I'm just curious, what does law enforcement, these kinds of people, the ones that don't go home to help their family, what is their response?
	Are we talking, for example, FEMA camps?
	Are we talking, you know, police stay?
	Are we talking...
	For example, because people that are in desperation are an unruly people, right?
	Right, that's correct.
	Desperate people, look at people willing to strap bombs and blow themselves to pieces.
	The Palestinians, for instance, they're desperate, they've got no future, many of them.
	Life is a living hell.
	They're totally willing to...
	For the cause, they'll blow themselves up and kill them.
	So are we talking about, in other words, military going off and what are they doing in the meanwhile?
	Are they going into the underground bases because we know those exist?
	Or are they fleecing...
	Some of them are going to be forced to fleece them.
	The people that I know in the military, through the EMP work I've been doing, have basically met with these guys and they were talking in this situation they'd be going home to deal...
	None of them were indicating that they have the underground bunkers, that they have the free energy, that they're going to go in and take over.
	They're honestly sharing that in this situation it's like...
	There's chaos.
	The military's shut down and we're going to go defend our families and do the best we can for them because there's very little they can do.
	So, the people that I'm in contact with in the military are saying that.
	I see.
	And they're not saying, you know...
	Now, I've heard the same things you're talking about and you've had much more contact with people who claim that that is so.
	And I, you know, I just have to say it's not...
	I haven't had the personal contact...
	Where I can definitively say I know it's not disinformation and I trust the source that's there.
	For instance, this Moore.
	I just met him last year at Vince Finnelli's USA Repairs.
	And he said he had people in the know and he got real reliable information that Nibiru was going to be seen and have a close pass through in August and then again in, I think, late September.
	And announced that and gave those dates and nothing happened.
	And so obviously that's like disinformation that was fed to him.
	And so I'm not willing to jump on these things because I don't have a reliable source.
	No, but you are looking, you know, you're living in, well, in Reno, Nevada, and you certainly have to be exposed to some of this information.
	And for example, you haven't said anything about the FEMA camps.
	Do you think these are going to be operational or not?
	I honestly think that the government, through remote viewing, has seen several different huge scenarios, a couple of them, and I'm not sure what they've exactly seen.
	And I think that they're scrambling to do the best they can to try and deal with mass chaos and keep order in the event, and try and keep people, at least part of the population, fed and alive.
	Maybe I'm hopelessly optimistic.
	I call myself an optimistic doomer.
	I also wrote an article called, you know, The Perfect Storm, Six Trends Converging and Collapse, which is how we're just, even if these big changing events don't happen, business as usual, in my opinion, as an engineer and scientist, if you draw the graph and set it to the bottom, you don't do something different, it's going to hit the bottom.
	I've outlined six major trends.
	Maybe you don't agree with one or two, but there's six of them there.
	And they're all headed for the bottom and collapse.
	And so even without the sun, even without anything else, we're headed for collapse.
	It's just a question of how fast, how rough the ride, and when it happens, which I don't really know the time constant.
	As far as the FEMA camps, I know, I've heard the reports of the billions of bullets the government's buying and they're stocking up and the camps have been built.
	And certainly I've seen the militarization of local law enforcement.
	I've seen that.
	I've seen the movements of massive tanks and stuff within the United States.
	It certainly indicates that...
	There's this big storm.
	Something's going on.
	Right.
	But I don't know what's going on.
	I do know I was told to help people be ready for long periods of either total collapse or Major shortfalls in the infrastructure.
	I was specifically told by Spirit, I believe it's a higher power.
	I've had no indication other than that it was a higher power.
	I try not to be fear-based.
	I try to be empowering people.
	And my model is I encourage everyone to do their best to change the world and do their best to be ready for the changes in the world.
	So my message is Trying to not be too fear-based.
	Trying to say, look, these are real trends.
	These are really things that are going to happen.
	And be aware and do your best to do the best for yourself and your family, your community and your country in whatever level you're able to do.
	And, you know, that's all you can do.
	You can't do any more.
	Okay, we're going to wrap this up at this time, and I want to thank you so much because, you know, you've obviously...
	I've really gone into this heavily.
	You've dedicated your life and huge parts of your life to writing your books and I'm going to encourage people to purchase those books.
	So we're looking at a future that is unpredictable at the very least.
	Yeah, in the least it's going to be a very rocky road.
	If we do everything right in terms of making the shift to a sustainable future and not crashing the planet, it's going to be tough.
	And if we screw some of these things up, it's going to be really, really rough.
	And a really rough ride.
	And the chances, I believe, are between really rough and horrible and end of the world and human life.
	It's like, I'm hoping it will be on the lighter end of the scale of things.
	Thank you very much.
	Thank you very much.
	You take care.
	Thank you for your service to humanity.
	You're welcome.
	Okay, prepare everyone.
	Thank you.

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