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01/18/2013 - Dr. John Waterman - Patriot movement
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This is Keri Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and this is Friday.
It is actually a really bizarre day, I have to say.
Not sure what the astrology of the day is like, but it would be interesting to know.
Along those lines, I have a very interesting guest, Dr. Waterman, who I haven't spoken to in quite some time, and I am very excited to do so, because he Well, he's somebody who has, first of all, he has his own radio show, so if you don't know that.
And he also is a naturopath.
And he's also someone who has quite a background in the intelligence business, although he claims never to have actually been an intelligence agent per se.
And he can explain that more to you if you'd like to hear more about that.
On top of it, I just want to give a heads up.
If you go to my front page, you'll see, and you scroll down, there was this story about a UFO off the coast of Okinawa that was put into Veterans Today, treated as a real news story.
More investigation has revealed that, I guess that's an entertainment news site, and it may not be an actual story, although If you read my article there in my update, you'll see that there is always method to the madness when something like this goes out.
And what's really also very interesting about that is that, given that information, my first response is, well, are we talking about a Sandy Hook type hoax?
Are we talking about something that's partially true and partially false, which is what all the The media in the mainstream is, no matter how you look at it, and they're often lying to you, sometimes in the most obvious of ways, and people take things as absolutely true that are absolutely false and have been false for eons, and they still take them as true.
And we're not going to go down that road too far right this second, I will say.
Let's see, there is a meeting right now, if you also go to the front page of my blog, I'm about to put the link on here for this meeting that's happening, where, and it must be something going on in the cosmos, where they're having a live webcast of the Dalai Lama and they're having some, what they call, critical conversations between Buddhist thought and science, in which the Dalai Lama and various other Tibetan scholars,
We'll be discussing with what they call foremost scientists and philosophers, the nature of reality.
So, with that in mind, you can see it's not just our preoccupation.
It apparently is the preoccupation of the Dalai Lama and other people at this time.
Those who don't normally question reality, per se, necessarily are now looking into it.
Excuse me if I'm also skeptical about the conclusions they are going to reach, but hopefully there will be some degree of intelligence in that grouping.
So, I guess I've gone deep enough down that rabbit hole for now to bring Dr. Waterman on, and Dr. Waterman is not his real name on top of that.
So, we're always dealing with the white rabbit, I think.
But, Dr. Waterman, are you there?
I'm here, Carrie.
Hi.
Hi.
Well, do you want to give yourself an introduction now that I've completely confused the listener?
I don't mind.
Whatever you want me to do.
Everything you said is true.
So I think that's a good enough introduction.
I'll just go.
You lead.
I'll follow.
You just tell me what you want to know.
Or if I can answer it, I will.
Okay, well, yeah, let's go down that road and see where it leads.
So, at this moment, you, let me say this, you also used to be one of the so-called heads of the Patriot Movement.
I think in one particular state, I can't remember, I think it might have been Arizona, maybe it was a different state, right?
Different?
Yeah, it was a different state.
Yeah.
But you've maintained your ties to the Patriot movement.
And, uh, and with what's going on, you did want to kind of lead off with the gun story, you know, because there's such a big to do about that as a result of Sandy Hook, of course, and Aurora and, well, they're building up to this thing for, for quite a while.
Obviously they'd love to take the guns away from Americans.
But, you know, I was looking at this and you can give me your response to this, but I was actually thinking about this today and how, you know, in prohibition, they took away alcohol and made it illegal.
And all that did was make it for a higher price.
And they take away drugs and they do the same thing.
So when they do decide to make something illegal, usually it just makes it more valuable or at least cost more for the average person.
So there's no way that guns are going to disappear, as everyone knows.
As long as the powers that be have guns, the populace are going to have guns, and that goes for sure in the United States.
And I again have to say that I am not in favor of gun control because the real terrorists are the government.
And when you know that, Then you realize that you might need to protect yourself and your family at any point in the future.
And who knows how soon that future may come.
So with that as an introduction to that subject, why don't you let me know where you think the Patriot Movement is at with regard to what's going on with Obama and all the things going on in Washington right now.
The Patriot Movement could be divided into two groups.
I think you could do this.
One of them are what I call the Paper Patriots.
Then you have the Mainstream Patriot, which goes to church but hasn't filed any paperwork.
They think they know what the Constitution means, that kind of thing, and so they're really They're really weak and being able to debate or probably what you would call, uh, you know, the, the armchair Patriot, but I'm not trying to be pejorative here.
I'm just trying to give the culture.
Then you have a group that's, that's called the militia.
The militia crosses over into much of the paper Patriot community.
Now, what am I saying?
When I say Patriot, paper Patriot, I want to tell you what I'm trying to convey here.
These would be guys that have done a lot of research in various categories within our financial and legal and our system of government.
And you might have one fellow that you might have heard of that got into the comprehensive annual financial reports called CAFRS, and that guy uncovers the fact that we're not broke.
And that, uh, you know, it started with, uh, two sets of books that the government keeps.
That's those kinds of fellows, those paper Patriots, uh, another group might be very deeply involved in researching the IRS.
The ones that are, I've had in my clinic, uh, men that were helping, uh, Denzel Williams and, uh, those kinds of fellows try to get out of their problems for from the IRS, and they win.
They beat the IRS.
Joe Bannister, of course, is one of those kind of fellows that managed to beat them.
Not only did he have paper patriots helping him, he had good attorneys, but he also had a family of law enforcement surrounding him so they couldn't pull any punches, basically, because the IRS, like you said, the government can't be trusted, And they routinely lie in court.
So we have a bunch of folks that actually are, I guess you could call them, not that they've been in jail, you might call them a jailhouse lawyer.
Sometimes they know more about the law than the people that they hired to defend them.
Or they might know more about the law than an attorney.
They understand the difference too in jurisdictions.
They understand the Admiralty jurisdiction, the corporate admiralty jurisdiction, and then they also understand the straw man, the common law, the juror, and that of course is opposite of the de facto.
They understand all this jurisdictional, these issues, and how they are fighting, and how they have moved more one direction to take our liberty away rather than moving and maintaining innate human basic freedoms that we all have.
Like, once you're born, you have the right to breathe air, you know?
So, who's to say I can't?
Well, maybe the guy with the biggest gun, and that's what's happening.
The guy with the biggest gun, or the gun, tells us that we can't maybe breathe air or something, okay?
These paper patriots Are well aware of where we're at, and there's a meeting of the mind, so to speak, between that and militia leadership now.
There is a great broad spectrum of militias out there.
There are some that are very, very keen and intelligent, very smart, that have engaged with meetings and law enforcement and FBI.
They're well respected by different agencies.
And they're not the Joe six pack, get drunk, go out in the woods and shoot guns.
They're not that way.
What I think I'm wanting to try and convey here is that responsible actual militia leadership in America is Basically getting with the paper patriots, the ones that really know what's going on, the common law experts.
Some of these have been attorneys themselves and actually understand common law, of course, better than, you know, the common law court called the Supreme Court.
At least that's my opinion.
And they're putting together an agenda.
And I can tell you what that agenda is if you want to hear it.
And it's kind of aggressive.
It's kind of aggressive.
Now a lot of this might sound like some white hat activity, but this would not be military white hats.
This would not be maybe some white hat report.
That's not these people.
But what they're doing might sound like it.
So I'll just kind of throw that caveat out there.
First of all, they've all finally figured out, I believe, from the from the rhetoric that I hear that we're at war, not because there's bullets flying, but because the economy is collapsing deliberately and all the agendas that are going on are not here for any of our good, but are bad.
And so once they wrapped their head around that, knowing that, you know, like Sun Tzu said, win the war before you start it, you know, they've decided that it's time to move into stealth mode.
And so here's where they're going to.
They're not recruiting anymore.
Now, if there's a rapid collapse of society and some folks might be seeking out militia, they'll probably find them, but those militia are not recruiting anymore.
They're not going to be bringing in these new neighborhood guys with guns.
They might have them do some jobs, but they will not be inside and know the inner workings of who, what, where, when, or anything of the regular unit.
The reason why is they aren't trained, they aren't familiar with what a militia is legally or lawfully prescribed to do.
And so they'll probably be assigned to help with community continuity and community involvement and so forth.
And just to wreck that, you know, they'll be involved with that, but they probably won't be active.
That's what I'm hearing the militias have moved into.
It's like because now they are going into stealth mode.
In the meantime, militias are finding locations to put prisoners.
Now, this sounds pretty aggressive, and I know that's what it sounds like, but so in the urban settings, they're finding maybe empty, secure warehouses, stocking them with food, preparing them to have what they consider traitorous prisoners.
And you could go from the spectrum of politicians to bankers.
Uh, and law enforcement that goes renegade according to what they think might be against the constitution.
And that's who they plan on putting in there.
See, these guys aren't planning on going to war and killing everybody.
They're actually just planning on peacefully.
If they can, if they're getting shot at, they're going to shoot back, but they plan on arresting them.
They're not going to turn them over to the authorities unless they're quote, friendly.
Now, what I mean by that is all across this nation, there's beginning to be what, you know, Cliff High had a really good report and a way of saying it, a bifurcation, a divide is occurring in the culture.
You'll go to New York and you'll see them gung ho for the New World Agenda or what you might call an aggressive loss of rights agenda.
Massachusetts and so forth go into Chicago.
You're going to see the same thing with Rahm Emanuel coming out of the administration and acting like King of Chicago, so forth.
And so those states are not going to be havens of freedom.
There are some places, though, that are trying to put themselves at a distance from the federal government.
And then that trickles down.
And there are some even in states that aren't doing that.
There are some counties.
And if those Law enforcement agencies and county sheriffs are cooperative.
They will soon be getting contacted.
Now, the militia will not be contacting anybody.
Here's what they plan on doing.
These paper patriots are going to become the contact point for the militias.
The paper patriots, and I'm going to drop the paper, okay?
I'm just going to say the constitutional patriots.
Are forming common law juries right now.
They're preparing to go to trial.
And there's not a control of the militia by the common law patriot.
That's not what's going on.
There's a coordinated activity between the two.
They're arranging for the trial of traitors and those that are complicit in helping.
There's papers being put together by the people that know how to do that, while at the same time they contact all levels of law enforcement to notify them they better support or they're going to find themselves sideways.
So I think that's probably a pretty aggressive approach that the Patriots have finally come to, and so that's kind of a rundown of the things that they're preparing to do.
That's in the meantime.
They're doing a lot of communication and testing.
They're stocking these places with food.
Of course, they're arming themselves.
But more than anything, they're learning their responsibilities for the community and how you properly proceed forward with a country that's being taken over.
How do you move forward?
Because let's say, for example, you know, all these guys will usually say, the patriots that are in the, you know, legal stuff will say, well, it's the governor that's in charge of the of the militia.
And then it's the county sheriff and so forth.
But if those guys are part of the problem, they no longer, according to these patriots that are in the understanding of common law, they are no longer considered leading the militia.
And so it's trickled down pretty far.
There are a few sheriffs in the country now that are saying, look, we're not going to enforce the law.
And those are friendly.
Those would be friendly with both the groups of patriots and what they're trying to accomplish.
But there are a few of them.
Now, the states are on a whole nother thing.
Now, put that aside and you have a crossover.
Some of these guys are active military, some are reservists, and some are like dispatchers in the police department.
So you have, from society at large, you have a great cross-section of people that are saying we've had enough.
And I think, Carrie, the thing that I could say that I'm getting the most important information and that I'm seeing happen
Is that apparently other than money itself, which, you know, is used by everybody, whether you're, you know, no matter what your, your faith you practice or no faith practice, whether you're, no matter what your race, no matter what your political bend, or if you're not political at all, money's in your pocket from the Federal Reserve.
And I think probably the next thing on the agenda that would unite people would be this thing called freedom.
Now, when it comes down to losing freedoms, everybody is pretty well, these listeners anyway, your listeners, lots of listeners now in the alternative media are understanding, you know, taking guns is just the next step is is taking your rights away and making you a slave.
And I've been in two countries where that happened while it happened.
And that's the last straw.
So the last straw in the first revolution was, you know, when you said the Redcoats were coming, they were coming to take the guns, the arms.
We've heard all this.
But it's because there's some nefarious agenda that's being planned.
The only thing that the bad guys fear when you're deluded, when you are pathologically sick, is a bloody nose.
There's no reason, there's no talk.
And so that's where the fellows have decided they're at and where we're at.
And so the lines are being drawn and I think we're seeing the divide happening in America many years ago when I said there's going to be a divide.
There's going to be two groups of people, even economically, the above ground working in the system and the underground.
So that's where I think we're at.
Did that help?
Well, that's great.
I mean, you know, lovely to hear such a detailed overview of the movement itself, and I hope that people are kind of getting a grip on what you've just covered.
In essence, what it sounds like, though, kind of like that they're really sort of, they're seriously working at this time, because The writing is on the wall, if I'm translating you correctly.
They're basically seeing that this is right before the last straw in a country.
You were in two countries where they came around to get the guns, and then that was the end of any kind of freedom in that country.
Can you name those countries?
Mexico.
And Eastern Europe, Romania were the two countries that I was in, and the Mexican one was not.
Well, that's when I began and first learned that I had been recruited, and I can tell you that story, and I'd be glad to.
I haven't ever really told that story over the year, and I found out who Frank was.
It was many years ago, though.
However, oddly enough, it's related to our Romney that was in our last election.
And so I'd be glad to cover that.
But where do you want to go?
Where do you want to start?
No, that'd be great.
So from here, because I think the point has been made, and I think it's an important point, so I don't want it to get lost, but I think we're going to circle back.
To talk a little bit more about that, but I'd love you to tell how you were recruited, how you got into those two countries, and how you sort of.
Okay, new bumper music, I guess they call that.
At any rate, I love the applause.
Always welcome.
No.
Dr. Waterman, you were just about to tell us how you got recruited, so to speak, and then also launch into the explanation of the taking away of firearms.
And this is how it connects to the story that we're investigating this evening, which is the Patriot Movement and how they're responding to the gun control sort of initiative, et cetera, that's going on in Washington right now.
So please do go ahead.
Well, many years ago, a man walked in my clinic and after multiple clinic visits and odd lengthy discussions at the clinic, he invited me out for a steak dinner.
Well, that was pretty appealing.
If you know anything about being in clinicals, you're kind of stuck in the place.
You sleep in a cot in the dressing room.
You go out to the waiting room to watch television.
It's like a lockdown, it's pretty intense, but anyway, I got an opportunity to leave and go get a steak dinner, so I did.
This was an unusual dinner, I'll just have to tell you right off the bat.
His wife was there, his second wife, and we were sitting there and Frank almost let me get my steak cold because this new guy that I just had worked with in the clinic, he came to see me.
Kept asking me questions.
Now that night, to make a long story short, he questioned me for two hours.
I finally did get to eat.
And then all of a sudden he just sat back in his chair and he leaned over to his wife and he says, he'll do.
And he got up and left.
And I felt like, have you ever seen that movie, Father-in-Law or whatever, Meet the Falkers or something like that? - Yeah.
The son was going to be, or this guy was going to be marrying this guy's daughter and I mean he put him on everything but a lie detector, he had his fingers on his pulse and he'd be asking questions.
It was kind of like that but not nearly, I mean he didn't have his fingers on my pulse.
So anyway, I said, I turned over and I asked his wife, I said, what's he talking about?
She said, well, he thinks that you need to go down to Central America.
I said, what for?
And she said, well, you did mention that you would like to do better health care because you can't do what you want in the States, didn't you?
And I said, yeah.
She said, in, I think it was three weeks, we're going to be headed there.
We want you to come.
Well, my clinicals were ending, so I went and I took off.
I mean, here, this is a strange, this is strange, isn't it?
So I took off and we, we, um, let me kind of give you the flavor of this event.
When we hit the Mexican border in Texas, we were turned away and I didn't know why.
I just thought it was red tape at that point.
Frank goes back.
We get a hotel on the border in the United States.
He makes a few calls.
The next day we go to the border and we get across, but oddly enough, for some reason, some strange reason, after we went through all the, you know, paperwork stuff at the border, they, uh, the government of Mexico assigned a military escort in our group.
Now we were driving vehicles and, uh, these vehicles were going to a A place, a retirement place.
Frank had the places to live all over the country, but one of them was in Central America and he wanted some vehicles there.
So we were, we were driving like a Subarus and a pickup and a Jeep and those kinds of things.
Well, this was an armed escort by the way.
And I, I went over and asked him what was going on and he says, Oh, don't worry about it.
So we had them all day.
We went to dinner that night.
They were there.
We had to feed them.
And they're in uniform.
They're in their military outfits with their weapons.
And we get up.
There they are at breakfast.
And then during the day, about noon, we stopped to eat.
And I didn't see him anymore.
And I said, where's our escort?
He says it's amazing what a couple $20 bills will do when they'd like to take a nice long vacation and go home and be with their family.
I wasn't aware of who Frank was.
We get halfway through Mexico.
He pulls over.
He looks around over his shoulder.
I mean, he looked like he was flat as can be.
I couldn't figure out why he was worried.
And then he told me he was a military counter espionage agent for 45 years.
His father was a judge on the Nuremberg trials.
He and his father both got caught behind enemy lines in World War II, and he was a spy in Germany during the war, and his father became head of intelligence behind enemy lines.
At 13, Frank actually passed a bill to make it lawful after he got back, but he started his career at 13 years old in the military.
Uh, he of course came back, went to school, continued school, went to college, became an officer, and he spent 45 years in counter espionage.
And what I didn't know was he told me that because he was going to recruit me.
Now, kind of to shortcut this, and if somebody has been able to watch movies and see some of these spy movies, one of them that might represent what our relationship, what Frank's relationship and mine was.
Yes, very well, and it's actually a great movie, and what you're also relating to, of course, is the end, the final decision that the younger guy has to make, right?
Right.
And so, I'm the younger guy.
Of course, he tells me one day, he calls me and he says, we've got a movie made about us, and I go, oh no.
That's not good.
Well, anyway, yes, I did get offered foreign service work at an embassy, which is basically being a spy.
And I told him this wasn't going to probably be something I wanted to do, although it was very intriguing, very tempting.
And they sounded real exciting because the reason was this was my second career.
And I had gone back at an old age to be doing what I'm doing and didn't want to change it.
He said, no problem.
But what I didn't realize is that we went to work.
He put me to work anyway.
You know how you can be used and you not know.
But I will say this.
Luckily, he was a white hat.
He was a good guy.
So I had a good mentor.
We chased spies all over Central America and he'd always tell me afterwards we were doing it.
We were even on the tail of John Doe No.
2 in Oklahoma City, and there was some other projects.
But in Central America, on our way to Central America, after we dumped the military guard, we got down to Chiapas.
That's the southern state of Mexico.
And we got stopped at a military roadblock.
And we got turned around and sent back.
And here's what was going on.
Finally, Frank figured out a way around it.
We got back into Chiapas.
Here's what was going on.
And here's how it relates to today.
If you've been following veterans today, you've been maybe following the stories about Mitt Romney.
Have you been following those?
Sure.
I am aware of all of that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So here's Mitt involved with the president of Mexico, who his father was president of Mexico.
And that was the man that had set up the drug cartels.
Mitt Romney and Carlos Salinas met at Harvard, probably even before that, more than likely.
And they were to be the money launderers of the drug cartels.
Now, a lot of people wonder why Mitt Romney is connected to Mexicans and how his father got connected to, you know, the elite rulers.
And that's all they are.
Elite rulers of Mexico, by the way.
Romney's buddy, Salinas, is in exile in Mexico or in Cuba.
But what happened is this.
Maybe this is some things that I know that some people aren't aware of.
Romney's family was part of a very extremist Mormon sect in America that declared themselves, or they seceded from the Union.
Now, you know, today I wouldn't blame them a bit, but they did.
They left, and for two years they acted as if they were autonomous to the United States, It didn't cross very well with the United States, who never recognized this extremist Mormon group.
And because of that, they were sideways of the law with many issues, and they had to flee to Mexico.
And this extremist group was in Mexico for a while, and they became acquainted with the ruling elite and mobsters, or mafia, of Mexico.
And so Romney's great His granddaddy and so forth, his family became involved because his family was part of that extremist Mormon sect that broke loose and went to Mexico.
So that's how Romney gets connected with the Mexican ruling elite.
And that's why his father knew the Mexican president that started the drug cartels.
Now since the Carlos Salinas that was The son of the guy that started all the drug cartels is in exile in Cuba.
That does not, of course, mean that the drug cartels are gone.
So if you kind of think about what's going on at the time that Mitt Romney's college buddy, supposedly they met at Harvard.
I think in that center, like I said, his college buddy, Carlos, was running Mexico and continuing the drug cartel in Mexico.
Frank was on a project to go to Chiapas to see what's going on, because Chiapas was having and starting a revolution.
And it was kind of libertarian, but it had this funky Marxist twist to it, and we can get into that some other time.
But anyway, when that revolution broke loose, I was in Chiapas, Mexico.
With Frank and why we were being eyeballed so hard is apparently they had identified who Frank was and knew who he was.
He was an intelligence operative of the military, which caused us to get this escort in not so friendly a way, but we managed to shake all that and end up in the middle of this.
We were in Crystal Ball, which is where the rebellion was.
They managed to put together about Well, a few thousand rebels called the Zapatistas and they managed to kind of hang on to things for, oh, I guess about a year as far as being out in the open.
The military came in on them hard.
Carlos used his drug cartels to take him out, too.
And what caused them to rise up in Chiapas, the state of Mexico?
By the way, there's many indigenous Mayan Indians down there that were involved.
And we were also, by the way, on a project, and this was in the early 90s, Kerry, to go down to see Palenque and look at this calendar.
Way back then, that everybody was talking about for December 2012, and the military wouldn't let us in.
They kept us out.
They wouldn't let us in, but our project was to go there and to go into Chiapas, Mexico.
Now, just to kind of give you an idea of how involved Frank was in all of this, Frank was constantly fighting the cartels.
corrupt machines of the federal government and the Marxist of Cuba.
And it was the Marxist from Cuba, some spies that, that assassinated and killed his first wife.
So I'm kind of, I'm kind of jaded when I say I hate or dislike, uh, Romney more than Obama.
But I, I gotta tell you, there's not a frog hair, uh, Distance second place for, for Obama.
I think I'm just a little more jaded because of that experience that I've had with Frank and, and his, um, and his attack, they put on his life.
And of course took his, took his first wife.
There was a, an attempt on a second wife after I got to know them in Central America to killer by the same group of people.
Now, in the meantime, while all this was going, Frank was down there on some property.
Well, I'm unzipping a lot here.
There was a fellow by the name of Terry Reed, who was a CIA pilot that figured out what was going on, didn't like it, blew the whistle and had to flee for his life.
The property that we were on was used to be owned by Terry Reed.
And Frank and Terry are from the same small town in Missouri.
And they knew each other.
Well I didn't know all this.
I was in quite a bit of the, I was in dark quite a bit of the time.
And so finally when it came down like the end of that movie, when it finally came down to what's your answer, my answer was no.
But Frank and I maintained a long friendship and I went to many countries with him.
And we seemed to be working more than not when he asked me if you'd like to, how would you like to take a free trip somewhere?
So that's my background.
That's how come I can't officially say, but I guess I could say I'm an asset, but I never was officially paid by the government.
As it stands now, and I'm still on my two feet, and I never had a bullet hit me and so forth, although I did see dead people, and we did have guys try and shoot us.
I wish I did have a requirement.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry, but I just was wondering if we could circle back now to, at some point within Chiapas, did they try to confiscate the guns?
Because when they took over... There was these little bitty pickups all over Mexico in the state of Chiapas, and they were just throwing all kinds of weapons in the backs of these little bitty pickups.
They're not big ones.
They're like Toyota pickups and so forth, and they were just full of weapons.
The military was confiscating all kinds of stuff.
Now, we were on our way to another location outside of Mexico when we left Chiapas, headed into Central America, and we got turned around by the military, and so we took another path.
I thought we could get to it.
We got lost in the jungle, but we ended up Running into, and I think he knew where he was, we ran into the Zapatistas with their little bandanas and somehow or other they ended up with AK-47s and I said, this doesn't look good.
I want to get out of here.
He says, oh, don't worry.
They like us.
So that's kind of what went on there.
But yes, they were getting weapons.
They were getting help.
But I think the help was probably not healthy because it seemed to be coming More from communist circles somehow.
And this group was more of a libertarian.
They were really fighting for the liberty of the Chiapas people.
They were actually wanting to make this a, a entire, they wanted this whole thing to be a revolution all across Mexico.
That was the entire, the goal was to instigate a revolution in all of Mexico.
And it all started when This straw that broke the camel's back that started it was NAFTA.
And NAFTA upset them because they began to realize the drug cartels were making a lot of money because they were using NAFTA to traffic easier into America.
And the ruling elite that was causing all their grief, the president, Carlos Salinas and everything, was becoming more abusive.
So that was the straw that broke the camel's back.
Yeah, I was down there when they were blowing up bridges and trying to stop traffic, but that came to a halt pretty quick because in Mexico, they can use the military against their people, but not supposed to be able to here in America.
So I think that is one of the differences.
Besides that, I think America has a lot more weapons per person than Mexico ever did.
And so it wasn't too long that they became hidden in the jungles.
They came these insurgent rebels that would come out and do a hit and then disappear.
And before it was over, Carlos Salinas had to negotiate sort of a ceasefire with the Zapatistas.
And they kind of had a draw.
In fact, they had meetings in crystal ball.
To tell you how friendly it was, the Zapatistas told the president, when you come, make sure you bring your own toilet paper.
So, you know, that's the kind of and they were all doing it under trying to do it without killing each other.
And they, uh, kind of, uh, agreed to not shoot.
And that was the end of it.
They didn't go after any more guns, but they had most of them.
And, uh, it seemed like to me that kind of was what neutered the freedom movement in Mexico that started in Chiapas.
Because they lost their weapons.
And in the meantime, as you already know, during this time, we're having the guns for drugs thing.
But all those guns were going not to freedom fighters.
They ended up in the drug trafficking cartel rings.
So even though there was guns going down illegally, according to the Congress, with Ollie North and all that, they were ending up in the drug drug lord's hands, not into the freedom fighters.
Right, and that's always the case.
So, what we're talking about here in the United States, where the guns are going to end up, regardless of how they try to confiscate them, is going to be in the hands of the people that are going to be, you know, basically oppressing the average person and, you know, taking over the The well, the infrastructure, etc, etc.
And deciding who gets things like food and water, etc.
Exactly, exactly.
And people will will also just that if you don't know, and you're listening to this, I just recently released my interview with Matt Matthew Stein.
And that is all about it.
He wrote a book called When Technology Fails.
He wrote another one called When Disaster Strikes, and his website is called When Technology Fails.
But he is painting a picture, and he's kind of what you might call a prepper for a solar event sometime in the near future.
And he's a graduate of MIT and explains all of that in the video.
But if you haven't seen it, you can go to Project Camelot front page and scroll down.
It is highlighted there under new releases, but it's also on my blog if you scroll down to see it there.
And it's a little bit more.
And it's on YouTube.
So this is rather pertinent because, again, it has to do with whether you can defend yourself, whether you can defend your family, even if there is a disaster, or you put yourself completely in the hands of the government and what the government's plans are for you, whether or not you have a ticket to their underground base or off planet, like some people have, to Mars when things go Take a bad turn if they take a bad turn.
So these are just scenarios, but they're worth considering.
So as far as would it be, would it be useful to go into the Romania, you know, example of where guns were also taken away, as you said, or is that just sort of not going to really give us a lot of traction?
Oh, I think that maybe it does give us more of a parallel to European lifestyle we have here in America, more culturally connected.
But the Romanian people, before I even got there, had been disarmed, and they became despot dictatorship for quite some time.
Hi there, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to John Waterman, And right before the break, we were about to sort of take a right turn and go in the direction of Romania and talk about how losing their guns then led to a sort of a takeover of the populace.
So, Dr. Waterman, are you there?
And please continue.
Yeah, I'm here.
Thank you, Carrie.
This was I went into training for seven months on this one.
Yes, there was military training us.
There were teams set up to go into Romania.
We were not armed.
There were some problems getting into Romania.
The military in other countries, like Hungary, stopped us and got their communist military to bring us in.
But I'm not going to Tell all the story there.
What I'm trying to convey here is when we got to Romania, there were there were villages and towns that had not seen Western culture or anybody from a Western nation for 70 years.
They had a couple of generations that had grown up without any knowledge of being gun owners or what freedom was all about.
And they walked around very, very Much like they had to whisper in public.
They were out on the streets in less than three or less.
And they didn't talk very loud.
They just had this very trodden kind of behavior.
And it was just because generation after generation had been ruled by a sitting military force that could go against the people.
And they didn't have any weapons.
They had their weapons taken away.
And so there began to be some protests and in Romania at the time, before the wall fell, by the way, you didn't do that because the military would come.
So it was getting kind of uncontrollable according to the government.
You know, those kinds of things like dissidents to get on Internet radio, alternative internet radio stations and whistleblowers, they get out of control.
We must control those people.
And so they sent their military out, but what they weren't counting on was what happened.
They got into the capital city of Romania, their tanks rolled in, kind of like that picture you saw in China where the tanks were rolling.
Well, what they didn't know is that half of those men in the military were for the people and the other half were the ones that were the bad guys and it took the military white hats of Romania to free the people.
They went there and there was security in the balconies and so forth ready to assassinate and shoot people and what ended up happening the turrets on the on the tanks turned and shot the security and All the bad guys, and they would turn, and one tank would be shooting another.
It was a revolution.
They won.
The people managed to get on top of it.
Cucascu was tried.
He was shot for his treachery, and Romania remained free.
Now, late, they've lost some ground.
But they have only, they got free.
They lost ground, probably because they can't defend themselves.
And they're in a country that has a standing army that can actually fight the people.
So in these kinds of situations, we learned a couple of things.
One, the people don't want to go to war.
Most people don't want to fight.
They might have weapons.
They're not interested in going out and, you know, Do drive-by shootings and robbing 7-Elevens and shooting people from, you know, rooftops or any of that nonsense.
But at least they know that if there's tyranny, they'll have some kind of foothold on getting it back.
Unfortunately, when we had our first revolution, Kerry, it was just that there was more muskets on the bad guy side and less muskets on the good guys.
More cannons of the same type on the bad guy side and less of them on the good guy.
Now, there's high-tech weaponry and visible ships that are probably floating around, high-tech satellites, and here all we've got is bean shooters, and they're still concerned that we've got bullets.
Now, the reason why, and I think this is an opinion, I'm not saying this is a fact like we've been talking about, but I think I can say it, and it could be fairly accurate,
is that these are expensive weapons and they do have a limit and there are three hundred and fifty or three hundred twenty million people in america and they literally can't use those expensive assets to find everybody however the system is being put in place via the phones cell phones particularly to make it possible to track everybody in the know what's going on what you're up to and so forth but the weapons
Unless they wanted to destroy everybody, it would be pretty tough to, you know, shoot this guy or this group and then go over and shoot this one.
I mean, they could do it, but there's too many for them to be successful at it without some other group figuring out what it is.
And by the way, Carrie, you know, there are white hats in our military, and they'd probably stop.
Yeah, they'd stop that.
Well, there's white hats in our military, but there's also white hats, of course, in our police departments, etc., etc.
So, this is the kind of thing, and the post office, because you have to keep in mind, as I know you would have this in mind, is that the postal workers are being armed and being trained to act as part of the military.
Yeah, they turned down, the postal union turned down doing snitch work When the Patriot Act came out and they said, forget it, we're not your snitches.
Because of that, ever since then, you've noticed that the, quote, post office has been losing money.
That's deliberate.
Well, in England, they apparently got right on board, from what I understand, and they are, you know, fully sort of on board with all of that and being trained.
My understanding is that maybe some post offices aren't sort of, you know, on board, but I think that there is some kind of movement behind the scenes in which those kinds of workers are being trained and are being equipped because I have gotten, you know, back channel source information about that.
Well, I think you're right, because things have changed since 2001 at the post office considerably, particularly the profit line, the bottom line, deliberately causing them to have problems because of their disobedience of not wanting to be snitches.
The union was a great deal of that.
So look for their union to be attacked quite a bit.
But of late, Mitt Romney's been busy at his old job again anyway, because in late December, The Federal Reserve printed up, and I'm literally saying, a boatload of $100 bills.
Now, the ones they printed are the old ones.
There's a new one that's coming out that has, you know, the chip in it and all that, that can actually tell, through that RFID, what the serial number is, so that they issue it to a bank, a bank can issue it, and it'll actually go into somebody's account that gets it out of the bank, and so they can actually track it from the Federal Reserve, clear up till you go into whatever store scans it and wherever you spend it.
And so that's kind of why I go to these places that have to write on a piece of paper still and buy stuff, you know.
The thing, though, is they printed out these old $100 bills.
They put them in shipping containers from top to bottom.
Now, you've got to be asking, how many did they print?
They printed more $100 bills in late December Well, everybody's busy with December 21st stuff.
And they printed more for that shipment to go out of the country than they had printed, uh, in the two years previous.
So they printed in that one time more $100 bills than they had printed for the entire nation for two years.
This is the money that's going out to continue the cartel and the illicit mafia escapades, and of course Mitt Romney's well at work continuing to make sure that that money can be laundered back into the system.
Because that's what his job, and Carlos Salinas' job is, and was all this time, was to launder huge amounts of money.
You can't just go into Wells Fargo with a million dollars in cash and say here you go.
Even they'll say, we've got a problem here.
So they go into the Turks and Caicos and those places and they set up all these laundering operations for the Federal Reserve.
And the Federal Reserve is cooperating by printing out the old $100 bills and they just sent those out.
They just sent them out.
They're already probably wherever they needed to be going.
More than likely, this is to continue some of that mafia operations.
And of course, illicit mafia operations don't use credit cards, they use cash, and so that's what these $100 bills were for, was to continue that kind of activity across the world.
Uh-huh.
Okay, well that's very interesting.
Since you do have a background in finance as well, you're a very well-rounded person, I have to say.
People that are listening, you're also, he's also a naturopath, as I mentioned, and Go for it.
If I can answer it, I will.
You know, for people that are prepping and you can give that URL as well.
But I wanted to say that in terms of the financial arena, I have been hearing lately some interesting rumblings I wanted to run by you.
So if you would mind, I would like to do that.
Go for it.
If I can answer it, I will.
Okay.
Well, I have sources, of course, that are sending me information all the time.
And one of those sources said there was some kind of recent change where there were going to, there were bonding, - Yeah.
Really, I don't even understand it, but something about they were going to stop bonding between banks, and on top of it, I was told that there was some kind of movement, a large amount of money going from Europe to I'm not sure if it's through Japan to China or directly to China, but something about that.
And there's also rumblings, supposedly, in Iraq of, I guess, them filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy.
Do any of those things... I couldn't help you with the Iraq issue at all.
I do know that my circles around, and if you go to the Waterman files, there's some links probably to some things you've never seen that has to do with guys that are involved in international banking, privacy banks.
I mean, Frank brought me one time to a place and I walked in and I said, well, this looks like a bank.
And he said, it is.
I didn't know.
Well, they didn't have a counter.
They had little rooms and offices.
It wasn't a bank, all right, but it was a very special kind of bank for large deposits and withdrawals, and they have these little offices where they pull the curtains and shut the door, and it's all, well, soundproofed and everything where they did their business, and it was a literal bank.
Well, what's going on apparently with these people in the know that do this kind of stuff?
Up there on my website, you'll see some links to some folks like Digital Gold Magazine and Array Servers, a bunch of other fellows, and you'll see them all up there anyway, that are talking, and they have an encrypted chat, so to speak, if I could call it that, where it's all done encrypted, and I happen to be kind of the fly on the wall because I get it.
And they're saying that we're virtually on the edge here.
And by the way, we do have some other contracts where another one of our businesses actually does transcription work for one of the investment banks in the country, one of the very famous investment bank that I can't tell you the name of because of the contract.
But we get to be the fly on the wall.
And right around the corner, more than likely, is going to be the introduction of a new supernational bank currency that's going to come loose.
A lot of people are going to interpret it as good, although I don't.
And the reason why is because it's going to be run by the same rascals that are running the central bank now.
More than likely, as I'm hearing, the Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is going to step down.
There's a new guy assigned to introduce this.
So when you see him or rumblings about him stepping down, that means probably we're about ready to get it, and they will collapse the economy right before that happens to push people into it.
Now, There might be also some rumblings that there could be some gold or maybe some silver more like a gold backing or partially backing this and there is supposed to be Quite a bit of Chinese involvement in this new supranational monetary system that they're introducing.
None of which, in my opinion, is going to be good for our liberty, our freedom, or anybody here in America.
Okay, so in terms of when this might happen, do you have any idea?
Are we talking in the next, you know, couple months?
Because my source, I've got the source who's very sure that something is imminent.
And I, you know, of course, once you don't want just one source, you want more than one source on any kind of story.
So that's why I'm kind of running this by.
Well, these guys are saying anywhere from these guys are saying anywhere from early April on.
They said they're saying they probably already have this all done and signed, sealed and delivered.
They're just waiting for the timing to be correct or right.
in order to release this stuff.
Now, the problem is that I think one of the signs you're going to see is that this kind of news doesn't get unnoticed by states and people that are good guys.
And so I think that's when you're going to start seeing, as we are now, the introduction of gold and silver as legal tender being introduced at the state level.
Which could be meaning, gosh, it could be nice to not just have food but to have a little bit of silver to pay your taxes with in case the dollar crashes.
And so we're having that same thing that when I was in a foreign country and lived for a while, you didn't denominate your bank account in that foreign country because of inflation.
I mean, if you sat there for one year, let's say you had $100,000 in the account, if you sat there for a year, $30,000 of it would be inflated and gone.
So you never did that.
You always kept it in a stable currency or in gold and silver that got converted into money as you needed it to work in that and do things in those countries.
Well, that's about ready to become the way it is in America.
And the way it was in Romania for quite some time, I'm afraid, is coming to America.
And the only difference will be if we hang on to our guns.
And I don't think they're going to, I don't care what they pass.
I'm kind of inclined to believe that Americans are, they don't care what they do, they're not going to give them up.
So.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I think it's interesting.
I can't imagine Americans giving up their guns, but I don't know what kind of laws we're talking about.
Just like, I don't know about the Obama so-called healthcare initiative that is supposed to affect one at this time, even though it doesn't go into effect in 2014.
And how one gets out of that situation.
But in terms of... Well, I know... Go ahead.
I'm sorry.
No, go ahead.
Well, there were some circuit speakers, so to speak, in certain circles that were talking about Obama health care and that doctors had just this year gotten all the paperwork on how Obamacare is going to work.
And there's a lot of doctors quitting.
However, Our office got those papers in 2007.
And that was right before they were trying to introduce, remember when they were trying to introduce the National ID the first time?
And it didn't work.
I mean, they tried, but it didn't work out.
Well, that was when they were actually trying to put in the two things, the National ID and the health care.
Hillary didn't get the health care in.
The National ID fell on its face.
And those papers arrived kind of a little early, but they were omens to what was coming.
And I wrote a story on the Water and Files called Papers, Please, about that.
And we saw what they were getting ready to do.
And it's pretty scary stuff.
And if they've been getting the papers that I'm hearing they're getting, I haven't seen any, I kind of have an idea why they'd be quitting.
But I would have to say that There's a huge movement by people or countries, I should say, outside the United States to go into something secure for their currency because they believe the United States currency is about to collapse.
There are big players in the investment banks that I'm reading the notes and minutes of their meetings, board meetings.
They're saying, I do not want anything denominated in U.S.
dollars.
And they're wanting them gold and silver backed.
So there's something getting ready to happen.
Well, OK, let me ask you this.
What about other currencies?
Because I think in some cases, certain things are I don't know.
I was I just had Michael Hemmingsen, who is a radio talk show host and a journalist who spent some time down in Mexico.
And he said that the peso is pegged to the dollar or, you know, somehow dependent on the dollar.
And that he also had seen evidence of Chinese troops down there.
Now, there have been reports for a long time to that effect.
But the idea being that they might also be down there in preparation for when the dollar goes to zero because the peso needs to be backed by gold in order to stay afloat.
Does that make any sense?
It will have to be backed partially.
They will probably never admit that it needs to be fully backed.
From Panama to northern Mexico, there are Chinese troops, but also from Panama to northern Mexico, there are American troops.
There are locations all throughout Central America.
On the Miquito Coast is a secret underwater submarine base, and I'm going to just pop another one here.
If you think of, if you've ever been to Trujillo Bay out there in Honduras, There's a Marriott hotel that sits there, it's huge, and it's out in the middle of nowhere and there's no tourists.
Well, underground there's a base.
Now, all these jungles are some operatives of the United States Special Forces, and they're not anywhere to be found.
I mean, they might show up every once in a while.
I had a judge from the Waco trial Show up in a Honduras hotel one time with Frank and me and I said, well, what's he doing down here?
And then they began to tell me how his life got threatened because he was getting ready to, you know, pop the cork on the the Waco incident.
But he was in Central America and hiding.
So there are all kinds of things from northern Mexico down to Panama by both America and the Chinese.
So yeah, it's going to be interesting if they start popping troops into those areas.
What America is going to do, although I'm not going to trust America at this point, because if the illicit commander in chief, as I would call him, doesn't give the order, they're going to be hard pressed to engage and do the right thing.
But some of these military leaders have ways of doing things nobody ever finds out about.
Maybe that'll happen and good things will happen.
Which brings me to an interesting TV show called Last Resort.
I don't know if you've heard of it, but-- Yes.
And I think-- It's an apple.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I just told you-- Yeah, it's fun.
And I'm going to let you talk about it.
But-- and I'm glad you know what I'm talking about here, because I have to say that, you know, this is one of those things where they're doing what's called, you know, in the literary world, foreshadowing the real events.
And I can't help but think that this is actually going to be a scenario that's going to play itself out in real time.
And it just makes logical sense that something crazy like this is going to go on, because our situation is that our government is really in the same place that the government is in In the show, most of us in America would be on the side of the submarine captain who basically stopped following orders.
And so this is really what we've got at hand.
And I can't help but see that that's going to be the situation here in America.
I could see that, you know, actually happening.
You know, if some of the things that Gordon Duff has mentioned is occurring, and some of the things I know other people talk about, not all of it, but you know, if there was a planned assassination of the President, clear on down to Hillary Clinton and maybe even the Speaker, we could start having the wrong people
Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Dr. John Waterman.
We have about a half hour left, so if you have questions, please do put them in the chat in all caps, and we can run them by Waterman, as I call him, and if not, we will continue on down this road of discussion that we've already been on and expand further.
Dr. Waterman, and then we also have a call in line if you're on Revolution Radio, and you're listening, you obviously can see the phone number.
I don't have it at hand, but feel free to call in if you also want to call in.
So, you're saying that there could be a worse scenario of worse leaders, and I was just, the mind sort of boggles at the thought.
How can it be worse than it already is?
We're on a downward trend in terms of of government taking away our rights in a very steady stream, and this gun situation is just one further aspect of it.
I'm not sure what the new currency, how that will curtail people's rights, but I'm sure it has some aspect of that, and eventually no currency at all is where I think we're headed.
So maybe you want to elaborate on some of that?
Let me back up and kind of put it in something that I can convey a little easier.
I don't know all the answers to those, but in the intelligence world, a lot of times you don't get told very much.
And I think for folks that they're trying to start, like myself, they keep things pretty black and white because that way they can appeal to your altruistic Your idealistic right and wrong scenario.
But the longer you get into it, the more muddied it always seems to get.
And it always ends up seeming to be complicated.
And the more you find out, the more complicated right and wrong begin, like going down to Mexico, where these guys are fighting for what sounds like, you know, against tyranny, which it was.
Uh, but you know, you wake up and you point over and you say, uh, that guy's fighting for, for freedom.
Last night at the hotel, he just took the wheel covers off our car, you know?
So, you know, you, you begin to see less black and white and you begin to see shades of gray.
And that begins to, that was working on me and I'm just going to kind of confess a little bit.
I think.
If you try to hold on to an idealistic, there is a difference definitely between right and wrong.
Sometimes you can't allow yourself to compromise, and sometimes that compromise is a good thing, because it's kind of like that old saying, the enemy of my Enemy is my friend, even if it's my enemy.
So I think that's how it goes.
So sometimes we have to pick between the worse and the worser.
And I think that's what the military did when they got rid of Romney being in the runoff by throwing all 12 crates of votes in the ocean over there in the Mideast and making sure the military didn't vote him in.
Now that's kind of a hard thing because, you know, you look at what's going on and you see what he's doing.
You can't, like you say, you can't hardly imagine worse.
I can't either.
And so I think that was probably a good call for me.
I mean, you know, I told Frank, I said, Frank, you have spent your entire life.
You can operate in this world like you're falling off a log.
It's just natural for you to know what to do.
I said, this is not my nature, and so I would just like to kind of stay in this second career I've chosen, but I'd be glad to be your friend.
And we were, and so off on some adventures we went.
He got paid, I didn't.
But the thing that was very difficult as I began to see a lot of this, was how difficult it was to operate between a choice of worse and worse, or the worse and the worst.
And I think that is real hard for us normal people.
I call it normal people.
Frank was beyond normal, not in a pejorative way.
Frank was an extraordinary person.
He had a An extreme amount of respect for people.
I never, not even in bad guy situations, I never saw him get angry.
It was just merely calculations.
And I, you know, I just, uh, I couldn't robot myself like that.
So those are the kinds of people I see.
And I could tell you that I'm probably operating behind the scenes that, you know, they go, Oh, okay, this one's a, blacker than black, this one's the shade of gray, get rid of the black one first, we'll get rid of the shade of gray next, you know.
So even though maybe there's...
You know, let me just interrupt here because I have to say that I think that we're all dealing in that milieu at this time on planet Earth.
And some people do have an ability to sort of distinguish those shades of gray better than others, so to speak.
Some people like their world to be a little more black and white because it's simpler.
It makes their choices simpler.
I think people that are, let's say, CIA agents are always dealing in shades of gray, and this is why they get named, you know, crooks in action and so on and so forth, because they begin to resemble
The shades of grey that they're dealing in, you know, and the shades of not so grey but more in the black area because a lot of them are playing the same games and their sense of right and wrong starts to get really hazy somewhere in the process.
So I have to say, but by the same token, there are some places where one can draw a line A very clear line, in fact.
And, you know, those kinds of things have to do with possibly, depending on who you are, things like torture, killing children, a la Sandy Hook, etc.
And there's a lot of evidence, for example, that Sandy Hook was carried out by Israeli agents of some kind working under some sort of idea that they've been told.
And those individuals, in theory, some children were killed.
I believe there are some parents that are actually mourning their kids.
Whether or not all children were killed, whether some of them were disappeared, whether some of them were taken to underground bases, parents being paid off to act, who knows?
Talk about shades of gray.
That's where you've got it right there.
We don't have much time here.
And so I've got a question in the chat I want to ask you.
And I'm afraid it's going to be a little bit of a side trip, but we can circle back again and come back to this whole discussion.
Because I think what we even started out the show talking about is what is the nature of reality On my website, I've also linked to the Dalai Lama, as I mentioned at the beginning of the program, and this group of Tibetan scholars and scientists who are getting together to ask just that question.
And you do get into really different scenarios when you look at the multiple realities and you start, even if you start studying the occult and you start going down that road, And start understanding what tools they're using and why they do some of the things they do.
Your sense of right and wrong may get skewed even in that process.
But with that in mind, let me ask you the question that's in the chat.
The person is asking for an update on the Dutch legal pedophilia things going on there.
I think this has something to do with The fact that you're on RGSUG Radio on Thursdays and Fridays and so that you might be read in on some of the stuff going on there?
Yeah, what happened at RGSUG Radio in the Netherlands was they're actually a news group.
They have a, well, a news website for articles and then they have the radio.
They were doing investigative reporting about the pedophile rings in the Netherlands, and it led to what would be, in our country, called the Attorney General of the United States, or the level of Eric Holder.
And apparently this man was one of the people that were in the middle of it, and they published it, and they had a radio show on it, and the next thing that happened was they came under intense Legal battle and we're fine.
Some of the people were still are still suffering under the burden of a nonpayment of a fine of 300,000 euros.
Some of the journalists that's not been paid that fights not over.
They continue to the station raised enough money to stay on the air by paying the fine.
The journalist individually
decide to take upon themselves what they would do and most of them of course are not paying mainly because they haven't in any inclination at all besides the fact they don't even have the money either but that continues to be a problem and they were able to continue to make it at least a good enough effort that it ended up here in America and there were some hearings in Washington DC and that man's name came up
And there were some very famous detectives and prosecutors from the Netherlands that showed up for testimony about Nimic's role in the pedophile rings.
And they're not just in the Netherlands, this is an international world pedophile ring at the level that the guys were participating in.
And not too long ago, he retired, that Attorney General, the man of the Justice Department,
He retired the day after Arkansas Radio went back on the air with a very long and lengthy several hour broadcast about pedophiles and a case about a lady that had been kidnapped, pretty much like some of the famous MKUltra mind control people that we've heard and seen in America.
So they're still in that fight.
It's not resolved completely at all.
It's seeming to, it seems like it's starting to go our way.
By that I mean, you know, it looks like the truth is going to, you know, boil the frogs and pop them out of the water into the fire.
Who knows?
But the bottom line is that they haven't won and truth is starting to eke out its way and They're still fighting the case.
It's still current as of late.
In fact, as of today, I was told one of them might have offended somebody.
And we always hear this because this was one of the guys that went up and spray painted the headquarters of the Builder Burgers when he found it was spray paint with obscene words so that he could get them to respond.
Uh, that's kind of the activity these guys will go to, to get stories.
But anyway, they, uh, the same fellow though, uh, might've gotten in too deep.
And as I understand, there's somebody that's been arrested and they don't know the, uh, extent of where he's at, what's going on, what happened yet.
So the battle still rages over at Arkansas radio, and you're probably going to start hearing some more about that since the.
The Eric Holder of the Netherlands has retired, so that's the best I can do for you.
OK, well, thank you for that.
I'm sure that people appreciate that much of an update.
I will say that talking about pedophile rings, I mean, that's actually a major Illuminati sort of, let's see, preoccupation, you know, and that there are pedophiles in our government.
Am I correct?
You had Gordon Duff as a guest?
Oh, no, I haven't had Gordon as a guest.
I've written to him.
I haven't heard from him.
Somebody's radio show recently.
I guess I don't.
I forget who it was.
But at any rate, even Gordon Duff, who, well, he likes me to say that he's an international intelligence agent or something that some terminology like that.
So he doesn't like to name the agency he's part of, but you can do the, you know, put, do the math yourself.
Um, but let me say that he has, has stressed even, and I've heard him, you know, he's, he's gone on to, uh, Mike Harris is showing a number of times and he will talk about the number of pedophiles in the, in the government, in the U S government at the top level.
Um, and, and so this story, uh, and, You know, obviously, there's a book called The Franklin, I think it's called The Franklin Scandal, and I've had the guy on my on my show in the past.
But there's a lot more to that.
It goes so deep and so wide.
It obviously involves Hollywood and individuals.
I mean, these are some of the ways in which they bribe world leaders.
To do what they want you to do is if they basically get you in a situation, get those people in a situation where they're filmed in compromising positions, so to speak, and then they have to comply and do whatever they're basically told to do.
So this is a tool of the Illuminati and the power on planet Earth.
You know, praying to the base instincts of, for the most part, men.
But, you know, I'm sure there's a female aspect to that.
So, yeah, I mean, this is, it may be breaking, you know, it may be breaking in Holland or wherever, in Europe, but it's not only in Europe that this thing is going on.
Oh, no, no, it's, yeah, that's not.
Some of the third world countries, like I mentioned that I've been in, it's horrible.
And Romney, and I'm just going to say Romney's involved in some of that traffic, slave traffic, human trafficking.
And I don't know that, you know, we can say much that Obama's much better.
There's so much absolute dark evilness in both of them.
Uh, that, you know, it's like, when is it ever going to end?
But I, you know, I'm really thankful that there are people that will fight and will continue fighting, even though they're at the face of, you know, if some of us, like if one of us got, the government came down on us full force at the federal level and started fining us, my goodness.
Uh, you know, when would we care?
How long would we last?
And in the meantime, I think that we've had some, you know, very interesting developments.
And I think what they're trying to do next is trying to put a sock in our mouth.
So I think that along with all these other things, very shortly, you're going to be seeing the Internet having trouble and that kind of thing.
And not that I want to see it happen or that I'm a Fear monger, but I just know that the agenda wouldn't want any of this kind of information to surface.
And so I've got a couple things that I'd like to cover just real fast.
It won't take it all.
And that's our fight.
These are tools to fight them.
First of all, if we have our little cell phones that can record or we have recorders or camcorders or video recorders, Don't ever believe it when a police officer in America tells you you can't record because it's against the law.
If you go to my website, the last post that I put up is information about four Federal Circuit Courts of Appeal have agreed that recording police officers in their line of duty, doing their job in public, is fully protected under the First Amendment and they have the site there so you can Research that out if you want.
You can record a cop.
Don't let him tell you you can't.
That's one of the tools I'd like to leave everybody with.
Second, there is something called the Survival Net that started about three weeks ago.
It'll be on Sundays at 9 p.m.
Eastern Time on shortwave only.
3.983, you can read all about what's called the survival network.
That means net, the survival net means the network of ham radio operators that are forming a alternative communication system in case something happens, because more than likely, ham radio might be all we've got.
So you can read all about it there, and there's a couple of tools for everybody tonight that you can check out.
Very good.
And yes, let me say that Henry Deacon, also known as Arthur Neumann, who eventually came out under his real name, our whistleblower, was telling us about how ham radio would be very advisable to have, and that if there was an EMP, if there was a solar event, or if there was something that the government, you know, decided to do,
To create a disaster-like scenario, then yes, indeed, one of the best things you can have is those radios.
Right?
Right.
Right.
And you can go to my website, and if you're not ham-savvy, just look it up on the Internet, and it'll tell you all about what ham radios are, and if you need any help Getting the radio just right to me, and we'll recommend some radios for whatever you want to do.
But you're right, we need to be thinking of a backup to what we've got.
And this is wonderful, being able to be on the Internet.
I think the Internet's been good for truth in general, and I'm sure it's going to come under attack like guns are.
So we've got a lot of work ahead of us.
Well, yeah, let me say also on your behalf that for those listening, and I'm going to put it in the chat here if I can find the chat window on my computer before the end of the show.
Yeah, I can.
That you've got this website called Simply Food, Simply Your Food.
Where people can actually stock up on food and all of that.
And I just want to say that Dr. Waterman is one of the best places to buy that sort of thing.
So I just wanted to give you a plug there.
Eventually we're going to be offering that through our Camelot store.
Hopefully we've got some people on board that are going to help us build our store out so we can offer.
Things like that to people.
But if you want to talk a little bit about your, just while we're winding up here at the end of the show.
Well, we have freeze dried food, just food.
We don't put them in any slurries of MSG to heighten up the flavors.
We cook the meat, we freeze dry it.
We get the vegetables, we freeze dry it.
We do it all domestic.
We are non-GMO.
Even the corn, believe it or not, is non-GMO.
And MSG free.
We even have honey crystals that you can reconstitute, buttered powder and things like that.
Things that you probably might want to think about getting even if you've got plenty of food because they're so unusual to have.
Plus, we've got emergency items.
In fact, one of them is a new filter system that just came out that will filter and kill viruses too.
Guaranteed for one million gallons.
So you might want to contact us at Simply Your Food or on the Waterman Files.
You can go to the Waterman Files and get to it, by the way.
So if you just remember the Waterman Files, you can go there and click on all the information and links over to the food site and get all that info.
Okay, well I'm always looking for a good water filter.
So you're saying you have another new water filter that's available?
There's a new water filter that came out that's guaranteed to filter 1 million gallons, basically your last water filter, and it will kill protozoa bacteria and so forth.
And it's the first one in the world to kill viruses mechanically.
Now, there's been ways to kill viruses before, but it's usually with a ultraviolet light or some kind of chemical.
This is killing viruses.
Mechanically, so it's a brand new product.
We've got along with some of our other infamous or famous infamous famous filters like the katydyn filters that you can put your backpack and things like that.
This one works with a it's inexpensive.
So, you know, you can use it.
You can put a water in a bucket basically and filter your water as you go, but it's it's a really really One of those kind of items that I think is going to become popular because, you know, there is a limit to how much filters will last, and so the better they get, the longer they can last, the better it's going to be, and particularly if it doesn't cost an arm and leg to get them.
So I'd encourage people to contact us about that.
Now, Kerry, one of the things about our food is different than everybody else's.
We just simply have The categories of vegetables, fruits, meats, cheese and dairy, that kind of thing.
And we leave them that way.
We just freeze dry and put them in a can.
And you can buy one can at a time.
You can buy a pantry can, which is half the size, excuse me, a third the size, it's about halfway between the big cans restaurants buy and the green bean size can that you see in the store.
It's called a pantry can.
Now we get that kind of size For things like celery, because, you know, we used to throw celery away if we didn't get to it because it spoiled.
Well, now you can get celery freeze dried.
And it'll last a long time, even after it's opened.
And you can have celery handy for all those kind of items that, you know, you might need it for and not have to worry about running to the store to get.
This is like putting your store together in your house.
as well as trying to stock up for, you know, unforeseen disasters.
So there's a multitude of tools we've got for people to help them decide and figure out how to get what they want, figure out, you know, all kinds of things for whatever long they want to get it for and however many people and so forth.
So it can be kind of overwhelming, but don't let it scare you.
We can help you get what you need.
Okay, very good.
And I think that's very helpful for people because a lot of people do at this time want to think about those things, want to make some plans and possibly knowing that 2013 is sort of predicted to be something of a tumultuous year in terms of changes.
And the flu and biologicals.
The flu is a mess.
This year is already way ahead of Remember 2009 when we had all these little events with H1N1?
Well, this year is already worse than H1N1.
The death rate has reached 8.3%.
If it keeps climbing, we're talking about 1 out of every 10 people that get this flu are going to die.
So we're really talking about, in fact, out east I have some folks that put in call centers for hospitals and medical people.
And their call increases have gone one week, it went up 500%.
The next week it went up another 600%.
And they're putting up tents outside hospitals.
This year already in the second week is worse than H1N1 ever was in 2009.
So I'm kind of concerned and I just want people to get ready for that too.
All right.
Well, thank you for that.
And people, do you want to explain your background as a medical doctor?
Well, I'm a naturopathic doctor.
I do all drugless therapies.
I didn't just do that alone.
I did clinic work.
I was a professor of pre-med and nursing anatomy in Michigan.
I helped Oklahoma City when the state called me in to help with the West Nile virus when Allopath Existing medical models couldn't stop the West Island Horses.
I went there.
I did some research.
I published a 75-page report.
We turned on the alternative therapies, including mostly Rife Frequency.
We stopped the virus in its tracks in the largest equine hospital in the nation in Oklahoma and we went home.
That's kind of my background.
They know me a little bit.
I don't know if they know where I'm at now because I've kind of gone under the radar.
But I think we're really facing very similar, even more important things with this new flu.
And so my background has always been biological medicine.
You could call it alternative medicine.
But there's things that we can do that you can't find in health food stores.
So practitioner-only products, remedies like pleomorphic remedies, which I've talked about now for years, are probably the bastion of health, the only one left with this new H3N2V that came out that's slapping everybody upside the head and putting them in tents outside of hospitals.
It's a rapid, it comes on rapid.
I had a fellow that's a listener call me and say, boy, he could feel his lungs filling up.
Put him in bed for four days.
He went on all the medicine.
He still has it.
He's up operating, but he's afraid he's going to go back down.
So I don't want people scared, but I don't want them worried that they don't have an option.
And we've got those for them.
So if they want to take advantage of it, we'll be glad to tell them all about it.
Okay, and would that be in your store?
Where would that be on your site for people?
You can contact me at the Waterman Files or you can go to my health.
I have a health... I do virtual health all across the nation.
I have 8,000 labs I work with across the United States that I work with people in.
And I've done people from 9-1-1 to Oklahoma City.
I worked in All kinds of interesting clinical situations, and you can go to Simply Your Health to get that and make contact with me if you'd like.
Okay, and if Simply Your Health is also linked on your Waterman Files website?
No, it's not there.
I've got it so loaded.
I've got the food up there.
I've got the Waterman Files.
But if you want to contact me at the Waterman Files and say, I just want some help with my help, I'll take care of it.
No problem.
Okay.
All right.
Very good.
Well, thank you so much, Dr. Waterman.
It's been wonderful having you back, and I think everyone would agree with me.
I want to see if there's any last minute questions here in the chat that I might have missed out on.
We actually are at, from my clock, it looks like, I don't know what's going on with my clocks, but I thought that we were at the end of the show.
I could be mistaken.
We're just you and I talking to each other and there's no one else out there.
That's okay.
It's all good.
But yeah, I don't see any questions offhand here.
So any last minute words that you might want to say before we get the sound of the music and have to depart?
I think we have a bright future.
But it's going to be very hard and difficult.
Nothing good comes very easily, Kerry.
If it comes easy, it may not be all that, you know, it's wrapped up to be.
But I think we've got the possibility of making a difference.
But we're going to fight.
We're going to have to fight like hell to make it happen.
We really well, maybe not like hell, but we're going to have to really fight hard.
With everything we've got to bring it about.
So that's the only thing is don't give up.
Nobody, we're not alone.
This is not a fight.
You might feel alone, but I keep telling everybody in my broadcast that you're part of a resistance, but you are not alone.
And that's the main message that I'd like to leave you with.
Wonderful.
Okay.
It looks like the radio show, it looks like Nighthawk was holding off for us.
Just to allow us to finish there.
And thank you very much to Nighthawk and Revolution Radio for that.
So thank you, Dr. Waterman.
We'll have you back again in the near future.
And if you have anything to let us know about, please do so, because I know you've always got your great sort of source for intel, etc., right?
Okay.
Anytime, Carrie.
Thank you for having me.
All right.
So, everyone, thank you very much for listening.
I guess we're, I'm being told we're 60 seconds to close out, and there's the music.
So, thank you for listening.
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