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Jan. 6, 2013 - Project Camelot
02:40:41
ET INTERVENTION_ ALEC NEWALD & DAVID GRIFFIN
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Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy.
I'm calling everyone now to see if we can actually do this.
Everyone there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Okay, Tommy, can you hide your picture?
No, actually.
If anyone can, you can't.
Because I can't control it.
Oh.
Okay.
I think that should work, but maybe not.
Who knows?
He's gone off my screen.
Okay.
Hi everyone, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, and we've been having all kinds of problems, so we're going to live stream.
I believe we are streaming live right now.
I don't have a way to check this, but we've got a couple of engineers on hand, so hopefully they will be looking into all of this.
We've been having massive problems with connections, etc.
So hopefully you are able to see me now, or at least the screen, which should have the announcement of the event that we're trying to put on right now, which is basically a live roundtable discussion with Alec Neuwold and David Griffin.
And we're going to be talking about ET Intervention, Alec Neuwold's book, Co-Evolution.
And his experiences, and the title of it, of course, is Ancient Bioweapons and the Blue Diamond Energy Saga.
So a lot of work has gone into this behind the scenes, believe it or not, and I'm really hopeful that all of this is going to come through for you.
At the moment, we do not have video for Alec Newald, and And I'm going to be testing this in just a second to see who we do have video with.
Can you guys say hello?
And let's see if we can get you guys on screen.
Are you able to hear me?
Well, I can hear you certainly, Kerry.
And I'd like to welcome all your listeners.
And I have to apologize for all the interference we've been getting.
And I'm sure Kerry will explain in a little more detail later.
Yeah, it's been crazy.
It's just been wild and crazy, as always.
And I don't even know why this is so difficult.
Ever since Microsoft, of course, took over Skype, we've been having wild, crazy things go on.
And so, anyway, I just want to say, you know, apologies to everyone and hope all of this is going to work.
I also have a chat here on the side.
On live streams, so I hope that our audience is able to join us.
So far, I'm not actually seeing anyone in the Skype, so if you're able to text into the chat on the side of the live stream and let me know whether the broadcast is coming through, it would be much appreciated.
The same thing with Tommy and Jerry who are helping behind the scenes.
If you guys are able to text Tell me and let me know what you see on the screen, whether or not this is indeed working.
That would be great.
Yes?
No?
Okay.
One moment here.
I'm going to try to come up on another screen and see if maybe the information will show up here.
Okay, it looks like we are working.
I'm getting a feedback from one of our people here.
Okay, and the audio is good.
So let's go, you guys.
So this is at least the start.
And once again, I'm going to switch to the screen that shows the actual event poster so that you can see what it's all about in case we have any people that are coming on board a little later.
It's not so easy to get all of this working, and we've had a lot of challenges this morning.
For some reason, everything went down at the end where we were working to do this via the software engineer side of things, I guess you might say, and we don't know why that is.
But onward and upward.
So again, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Hamlet, and I am here with Alec Newold.
Alec, are you there?
Can you please say a few words?
Yes, we're certainly here, Kerry.
As you say, we've been here for an hour trying to solve these problems and it would be brilliant if we could just get this interview underway and let some information flow to your listeners.
I'm keen to go, and I hope David is as well.
We've been a whole hour.
I think, quite honestly, you're being jammed, and somebody doesn't want this broadcast to go out.
And if that means that it's really worth listening to, then you've got to take it at face value, I guess.
Absolutely.
Good point.
And we've got somebody writing in the chat, and I do appreciate that, saying in Cape Town, South Africa, they can hear us.
That's better than nothing.
I don't know whether we've got David online.
No, I haven't heard from him.
David, are you there?
I'm here and I'd just like to back up what Alex said.
We spent a couple of days going through the content for this program.
We had a weird bit of interference the whole time.
It sounded like a flying saucer that had landed right by us through all our conversation.
But I'm glad for everyone who can join us because Alex is going to cover some really quite interesting material tonight.
I would not be at all surprised if they listened in to those last conversations.
Because they're a bit annoyed and have put all resources into making sure that we couldn't get out on Skype tonight.
Especially because Skype is now owned by Microsoft, of course.
Okay.
So, the point has been made.
So, at this point, let me...
I would like to start off with Alec Newald.
I'd love to hear from Alec.
I've read your book, Alec, years ago.
Let me say that.
And I do recommend it to everyone.
Aside from that, I've been reading the update, which I just got last night, and I haven't gotten all the way through it, but I've got partway through it, and I didn't also, I don't know, I just didn't remember that you'd actually been sort of, I guess, loosely tortured and imprisoned.
I don't know if you want to elaborate on that, but I would certainly be interested to hear about that.
I don't know about the torture.
The torture is a mind game.
I think that COVID agencies have been playing for a long, long time and they can certainly string you out and get you hanging on tender hooks and then they've still got a sting in their tail after that.
I've certainly experienced the worst possible scenario, I guess, from having an extraterrestrial interaction and that is that they didn't like it happening and I think maybe today is a residue of some of that.
But what we've discovered with the help of David doing some research on the background, he's sort of validated a lot of things that I'm saying.
There's many contactees out there.
There's many stories to be told.
Some of them are probably at least as dramatic as mine or more so.
But the thing is that there seems to be something going on behind the scenes.
We're really, I think, delving into the cutting edge of extraterrestrial human interactions here, and maybe today we might be able to disclose some of the reasons that it's been so secret with David's research into Makoni, etc.
But the question I wanted to throw out to the audience right from the start, and even to you, Kerry, I have a feeling that there's a dark and light There's a battle going on here, but the question I wanted to ask, are the greys actually a non-biological life form?
Have they hooked up with the US covert agencies, and are they actually not so much terraforming the earth, but are they terraforming us?
Do they want us to become a plastic box?
And everything that we have, my interaction with the Blues, who are working almost diametrically opposed to the Graze program, and that is, as the Graze are trying to switch us on with nanotechnology and make us become a plastic personality, the Blues are trying to become The opposite.
They're trying to turn everything off.
So it's a huge field we've got to cover.
But the crux of it is, is there an artificial intelligence trying to take over humanity and convert us into something which is non-biological?
And Morgellons disease and that, which we'll be covering a little bit later on, that's more in David's speciality, could be a precursor to this.
And there's a...
I have to say, the alien bases that I've had anything to do with, they're built underground and they're built rather like a Faraday cage, if you would understand what that is.
They cut themselves off from all electronic interference in the real world.
They build themselves a shield.
The electric magnetic, the microwave technology that humanity has been introduced to very recently, And maybe, with the help of the Greys, working in covert cahoots, I guess, with what you might call the black government,
the secret government, the American industrial cartel, maybe introducing us to a form of technology which we've become firmly hooked into, computers and Wi-Fi, And other microwave technology, which is converting us, terraforming us into what I would call non-biological entities.
and that's a scary thought.
Okay.
Sorry.
We've lost David.
Crazy as it sounds, somehow it is trying to dial him.
Not sure what's going on with that.
But in the meantime, it looks like, yeah...
David, are you there?
No, now he's being interfered with.
This is...
That does not surprise me at all.
So crazy.
I have to say that you're right.
Absolutely.
That we are being, you know, interfered with not only here on this live broadcast, but in life in general, and that humans, there are...
Groups of grace that are and have been abducting humans in mass and conducting working with the military on my lab types experiments and also well the Dulce story will tell you a lot more Dulce protocols which gathered all of that evidence and put it together in one book.
Is available on my website, and I highly recommend it.
That is a producer-writer who put it all together.
He had a fascination with this subject, and his name is Robert Tisk.
I'm not sure how you say the last name.
David, are you there?
I was hoping that we might have gotten David back on.
It looks like it's trying to dial him.
Okay, Kerry.
Well, I'll just carry on a little bit.
I mean, this is...
Yeah, David's picture's coming up.
It means he's there.
David, can you hear us now?
I've got thrown off for some reason, but I'm back anyway.
Wild.
Okay.
All right.
Well, then, go ahead, Alec.
Let's progress.
I'd like you to talk about, for the people that don't know your experiences, can you give a brief overview of that and then also wind up with your experience in terms of why you ended up in prison, of all places?
Yeah, okay.
Well, I mean, this will be a five or ten minute synopsis of a ten day event.
And really, the last time I tried to talk about this, I couldn't fit it into an hour and a half.
So now you want me to condense it into five minutes.
This is going to be interesting.
To start off with, Even though I'd had a lot of what appeared to be childhood adventures that many children consider themselves to be, you know, with wild imaginations and parents right off their talking to their invisible friends.
I didn't really have so much as invisible friends, but just like we say there's a background of childhood interactions that don't need to really be considered here, but it's not like it was out of the blue.
My life may well have been programmed to be part of this extraterrestrial interaction which actually happened in 1989 in real terms where I was driving my car and the next minute the car and me were in a place that no one could recognize.
I couldn't even describe the reality that I found myself in.
The car had disappeared, my body had disappeared and I was in a...
What I thought I'd crashed the car and died, of course, I thought I was a ghost.
And if we could only come back and talk about the afterlife in any sense of perspective, I would have to say that the experience I had was probably similar to a near-death experience where you become bodiless, weightless, and there's no 3D reality.
So this was my introduction to an extraterrestrial interaction.
And as it turned out, a long time sort of learning about my background and why I had those childhood events in my life, is that maybe in a past life I was connected with this group of extraterrestrials.
We've been born here, reincarnated if you like, onto Earth as a physical human being.
And in no way do I make a context that I'm in any way related to any ETs in this life, in this body form.
But there could well be a connection in a past life.
So we're talking about reincarnation here of an extraterrestrial creature.
And because of that connection in the past, The ETs that, I'm not going to call it abducted me, but recovered me from the Earth's surface, thought that I would know all about their reasons to be here.
They thought that I would understand their technology.
They thought that I would be able to interact with them in perfect harmony without any explanation whatsoever.
They were completely bemused and confused that I remembered None of my previous past life connection with them.
And so a lot of the time I spent with them was them reminding me or re-scripting me of all the things that I should have already known.
So the biggest problem here is that what don't I know that they considered I already did know?
I could have perhaps come back with a lot more information than I had.
But I only came back with what they re-scripted me with, so I may only have 50% of the story here, and there's the crux of the rub, as I say.
I'm not able to explain everything in the detail that maybe is necessary for everyone to understand what I'm talking about.
What they were sort of laying out in front of me was that they were in a battle, if you like, to save humanity rather than to get rid of it.
But there could well be a group of other extraterrestrials on this planet that are not so friendly, have an agenda of their own that may well be more of an artificial type of intelligence, not biological as we would understand it.
And the battle might not be quite so much between light and dark, but between biology and artificial intelligence.
And I think the terraforming that's taking place on this planet at the moment is more directed at us as a race, rather than the planet as such.
There'll be fallout, of course.
The planet will suffer with this terraforming in a way, because they're using the planet to disperse their...
Terraforming agents and the way that we are picking them up and becoming an altered race is all part of this confusing context which David and I have been trying to sort out and we've only reasonably recently started on it.
So apart from this interaction which we really have to push into the background which was genuine and ten days of my life were consumed by it But having arrived back on planet Earth, downloaded this information, then I found that the COVID agencies were hot on my doorstep and they wanted to know everything that had happened to me, down to the very last detail.
And when I refused to cooperate with them, they got very angry.
They got very nasty.
And in the end, apart from pursuing me to three or four different residential addresses as I tried to drop off the grid, they finally, I mean, I never could escape them, just like on the internet there's nowhere to hide these days.
They made my life a misery and in the end they concocted a sort of a sting, a way to get a criminal conviction against me which gave them the right to put me in jail.
And it didn't end there, because once into that sort of state penitentiary, I was really at their liberty.
And I had a very long, grueling interview with a set of agents, one of them was a New Zealander and one was from South Africa, who once again showed me some artifacts, wanted me to decipher some hieroglyphs and instructions on how to make something work.
Let me see some of the artifacts.
I actually touched some of them.
And the whiplash from the touching of that alien artifact sent me on a download binge like you've never seen before.
It gave me a headache.
It nearly knocked me flat.
It made me groggy.
The interview stopped soon after that because I was virtually non-coherent.
And all that night, I wrote down another recall of the interaction I'd had with the With the aliens that abducted me for 10 days.
So I had a reprint of everything that had happened and I wrote all night.
I wrote with a pencil and paper and basically the story that can be read in my book Co-Evolution is the end product of that interaction with those agents and those alien artifacts.
Not that I didn't already have A great deal of recall before that from dream and hypnosis, etc.
We recovered most of that information.
But since then I've been on the rampage, if you like, trying to track down the real facts behind What I could convert into terrestrial technology, terrestrial events, where some alien bases might have been, where some alien bases have been destroyed, they've been blown up in the physical sense by special forces in the Falklands War.
And from that, when I've gotten hold of David Griffin, we've proceeded to David's unlocked Pandora's box in that department.
Stared him in the direction of Marconi, who I thought had received some of this alien, not so much alien technology, but some alien nanotech, which was a biological weapon, which they were trying to defuse.
The aliens that I had interacted with were trying to negate the effect of this ancient biological weapon.
But the British troops that...
Stormed Thor Island in the South Sandwich Group, just south of Falklands.
Brought back this nanotechnology in its raw state and I don't think understood really what they were dealing with.
And they gave it to Marconi and this quote of phrase, you know, the shit hit the fan and all hell broke loose with Marconi.
So what we're trying to splice together here is my experience For those disbelievers, it has to be real, because who could possibly know that the extraterrestrials had a base in Thule Island?
Who could possibly know that the British raided it, took stuff back to Marconi?
But when you relate to what David's research has brought to us, not only the attack by special forces on Thule Island, but the events at Marconi following directly on from that, and there's a little bit more to follow On from that as well, I believe.
I just might introduce David now and he could maybe do an overlay of where his research has come in and what it's led him to believe and these are factual documents from the Ministry of Defence and other such sources.
So I'll leave it to David to fill in some gaps here.
Okay, David, I'm going to need you to really focus on that mic David, I'm going to need you to really focus on that mic so that we can hear So, if you don't mind.
Okay, just shout if this is not loud.
I'm right up close to it in Ireland.
Yeah, that works.
I just wanted to point out that Alex, a very humble guy in his own way, as well as being very proud, which you'll find out if you go through the stories of when the various intel agencies turned up at his door in New Zealand and when he was stoically in jail for Six, seven months, and having all sorts of things.
Barking's thrown out to him to get him out of jail early if he wanted to, but he's quite a stubborn guy in his own way, and refused all that sort of thing, and also refused to cooperate with these intelligence agents, which, of course, once you've been to an alien planet for ten days, and have met a super enlightened, highly intelligent, as the Blue ET group seemed to be a highly intelligent race, very important.
Empathetic with the human situation.
Then, of course, when you meet some gruff, rather pretty boyish, if you speak to Alec, intelligence agents from all corners of the globe, South Africa, mostly from Britain, then it's interesting that Alec made his mind up from the moment these intelligence agents turned up at his door wanting his story, essentially, of where he went.
They knew he'd gone somewhere to a strange series of events with his car and perhaps other things.
But it's just, despite Alec's humility, I wanted to point out that his story is completely unique and it's one that, unsurprisingly, as you find, if, like me, you're a great reader of contact literature, you find that some of the most important cases actually don't come to light.
It takes a significant amount of time to come to light.
And despite Nexus backing It's never really done huge things in this community.
I think that's starting to change now.
There's a lot of interest from people that have picked up the book and realized what a treasure trove it is.
Okay, David, I'm sorry to interrupt here, but we've got static in the background, so if anyone who is on the line with us could mute themselves while David talks, maybe the static will go away.
If you know how to mute yourself, that would be great.
And then don't forget to unmute yourself when you're talking.
But go ahead, David.
We'll give it a try anyway.
That went away.
Thank you so much, whoever did that.
Well, maybe me, maybe Alec if he's just turned off.
Okay, so the reason why, you know, I say despite Alec's humility, his case is actually crucial and groundbreaking is because you have here a guy that had no former experience of the ET UFO scene.
No exposure to the literature, no exposure to videos, that sort of thing.
In fact, he had no interest in this area.
He did have, as he may tell you, if we have time, a few very strange incidents as a child.
The classic sort of stuff we hear from contactees in their childhood.
But really, no interest.
So what we have really in Alec is this sort of, quite a new novel blueprint for a guy that literally was picked up in his car.
I'm taking to a planet for 10 days due to his past relationship with this blue ET group.
And you have a fascinating look at the descriptions he gives.
I think because he was, you know, the guy, Alex, salesman, a businessman, and also a bit of an engineer into motor racing, that sort of thing.
So that is very much reflected in the way that co-evolution So, strange enough, you get this quite logical breakdown of what's going on.
He notices a huge amount about the ship, about the personalities that are on the ship that picked him up.
When you get to Haven, you get these great descriptions of what's going on, but it's not done in this wishy-washy, contact-y sort of way.
And on top of that, although it took Alec a long time to then write the book and to get it out and to feel comfortable with it, and then he did the update in 2011, what's interesting is that he puts a context on it that I think is, given the complexity of the information, David, can I get you to back up just a bit from the mic?
Because I guess you're bouncing against it and it's causing a static on the mic.
So just a tiny bit back from the mic, but other than that, you're fine.
I'm very sorry to interrupt.
You're okay.
I can't hear myself, so this is a bit of a balance between the two.
So what you get, because of Alex's background, this non-exposure to the ET UFO problem and his engineering business background, is you get almost like a blank slate who's been taken away by ETs.
So when he wrote the book and his subsequent The interest that you got from intelligence agents, you actually get quite a logical sort of breakdown.
But on top of that, these very esoteric, sometimes I'm afraid, as you'll find out as we go through this, quite frightening concepts, such as the fact is that it looks like we could possibly be facing a high-tech biological problem.
A DNA-aware terraforming substance that could be coming our way in the very near future.
All this sort of stuff.
Many other things that he's going to go on to talk about.
But despite that, he grounds this and makes links to what's going on today.
So unlike other contactees that tend to just have this vacuum of I was taken away to a planet or I met some ETs and this happened or that happened and it's all quite esoteric in its own way.
Alec has grounded this stuff and especially if you follow his...
Oh no, it...
David, I think we've...
Yeah, I think we've lost him again.
Incredible.
Okay.
Wow.
Okay.
Well, I'm going to try closing my other screen and see if that helps at my end at all.
I don't know where the interference is coming from.
Alec, he was giving you a great sort of introduction and overview himself, and it is true that your information connects to real-world experiences.
And as a matter of fact, Black Project information that David's been investigating heavily, again, that this group of beings that you dealt with said that they had an underground base that they were living in, in this Thule Island.
Can you describe a little bit more about that and how they tapped into this nanotech black oil and the nature of it?
Can you talk about that until we hopefully get him back on the line?
Yes, well, I never personally went to that base.
That base had been destroyed in 1982 and my experience was in 1989.
So What we're sort of dealing with here is a description given to me by the extraterrestrials of what this space was about.
They never went into a great detail.
I mean, my experience was about a lot more than what might have happened.
I've just got things going on on the screen here.
It's a bit distracting, but if you can hear me.
Yes.
So I never got to see the base.
I never got to see what they were doing there.
I did have a rough, a simplistic description of what might have been going on at Thor Island.
And that is that this technology, this ancient technology, the blues, I'll call them the blues, the extraterrestrial race that I have in interaction with.
Described the product that they were dealing with at Thule Island as a leftover, as an artifact of previous extraterrestrial war zones, if you like.
There evidently might be several of these caches of this black nanotechnology lying around under the crust of the Earth.
And the theory behind it was that it could be activated quite possibly by a computer or by radio frequencies or some sort of a cosmic ray, whatever you like.
We won't get too high-tech into that, but it could be switched on electronically to make it work.
And its job, which I'm not particularly obeyed with, but it certainly has the potential to terraform the whole planet.
But it might well have been designed to terraform the life forms on the planet as a preliminary goal.
If it has to terraform the planet as well to get that to happen, perhaps it has that capability as well.
As with most nanotechnology, I presume many of your listeners would know that it has a capability of reproducing itself exponentially.
If you turn it on, a small cache or a small amount of this material could become a huge amount in a very short space of time.
It has the ability then to reach out to all four corners of the globe if it's doing its job.
And there may well be, as I say, more than one storage bent of this material.
So what they were trying to do, and don't forget their technology is like light years ahead of ours, they were still struggling to deactivate it, to turn it off, or to make it redundant.
This material from the brief description I got has an ability to, because it's intelligent in its own right, when you interfere with it, it learns from that interference process.
So you might be able to destroy it with a particular protocol or a particular computer program for one sequence.
But by the time you've finished with that pod, the next pod has already received the information How to counteract.
It's working as an intelligent entity in its own right.
It's already decided how it could counteract that interference when it next encounters that type of weapon or deactivation.
That is really fascinating.
We do have David back on the line.
David, are you there?
Yes, we can.
Alec was just filling people in about the Thule Island and some of the knowledge that the ETs, that he was in contact with, have about the sort of nanotech black oil substance.
And at the end there, he was basically saying how it's self-aware and learns.
From interference and so on.
I don't know if you want to start back where you were doing an excellent overview of Alec and putting him in context so people would understand where he's coming from.
It is really fascinating that your research into this area of the Falkland War and then what was uncovered there has dovetailed with his experience with these ETs and what he wrote about in his book all those years ago and their experience.
In this world, we would call that triangulating information and that really substantiates both sides of the information in quite an interesting way.
Yeah, well, you know, Alec readily admits one of the positive things, again, about his story is that it's absolutely untainted.
As much as you can be in this sort of media-driven, media-aware, hyper-information age that we live in, you know, Alec, and I've spoken to him personally for a long time, and he really doesn't host stuff like, you know...
Okay, people can't hear you.
You're not loud enough.
Is there a volume there that you might be able to affect?
Yeah, I'm on full volume.
I'll just try and talk a bit closer to my phone.
Just come in if this is starting to distort again.
Yeah, that's better.
Thank you.
Okay, I'm going to have to lean into the camera and you'll see my ugly face, I'm afraid.
Okay, so, essentially, yeah, I was saying that this is the key thing about Alex's experience, that he, you know, his experience is untainted by, and I know this firsthand, by many, much of the contactee and the UFO issue,
which many of us as researchers or those that just have an interest in the issue of exo-politics, the wider issues that encompass the UFO issue and disclosure and all this sort of thing, Alec is actually unaware of, not in a naive sort of way, but he's just kept himself to his own experience.
He knows what was real for him.
A fantastic experience when you read the book, even if you jet off into the areas.
Another area of my interest that Alec helped illuminate is the issue of alien language, visual language, telepathy.
He's had an amazing experience of that.
He may go into that later, where he talks about a tapestry of sound, that's how How ETs communicate telepathically and how this actually comes across to someone that's quite new to this.
So he's got all these fascinating facets.
But again, let's come back to where we've been with Project Camelot before.
Alex managed to root his experience in what's going on in the real world.
A lot of this, Alex will admit himself, is down to the meeting that he had with the South African intelligence agent, who is called House in the book, in co-evolution.
Or Mr X, as he called him otherwise.
And Mr X managed to help Alec with this exchange of information.
They managed to inhale and smoke the elements of the ET issue that Alec had undergone into real world, and this is why Alec's case is crucial, real world geopolitical events.
As you're about to hear from the Blue Diamond Saga, which I guarantee you may have heard of the Blue Diamond Saga, but it's not about what you think it's about.
And the same with Marconi, which is the research that I brought in because they were a British company and the Falklands I'd always been interested in.
You can hear that if you go back to the previous two interviews with Kerry, one with Anthony Sanchez and one with Jay Weidner.
Douglas Dietrich, where we go into this sort of thing, but I'll just make the point, and I'll let Alice continue on, I'll just make the point that in Marconi, what we have is, in my opinion, a classic example of what's gone on for millennia with ETs, i.e., they come down,
They try to interact with us as a species, whether that's with primitive tribes in the Amazon, or whether that's at later stages when you come to the post-agriculture, post-industrial era, they then approach power groups, they approach governments, the cabals, whoever they perceive to be.
And you'll probably come to find out as we expand the conclusion of this talk that essentially there seems to now be a war on where the Blue ET group tried communicating with With our planetary governments in various places, even offered technology to clean up the place, as we hear so often in contact accounts.
But this was, of course, thrown back in and played by greedy people like Dick Chase, Cabal, whoever.
All the way back from what we can gather from World War I, we think they were perhaps trying to interact with world governments and say, right, well, look, something's going to happen on your planet.
You also have this terraforming agent on your planet.
We're here to help you de-engineer that.
We'll even give you technology to help feed your people and clean up the planet.
All we want is a bit of space on the planet for, I think they're 15 million people.
Alec can confirm that.
I think 15 million is what they want.
They wanted a small area to basically start introducing their new hybrid race onto the planet.
Well, 15 million people is a tiny amount compared to our six, seven billion I think, world population.
So we have all these issues that are rooted in real geopolitical and current cultural 21st century issues that Alex Pace highlights.
And a quick word on Marconi.
As I was saying, I believe that Marconi represents what has been going on for millennia in the interactions between visiting intelligences and the What we have is,
of course, humanity in their own egotistical way doing the dirty on E.T. So although the Blue E.T. Group had asked permission from Argentina to build a base, they'd asked permission probably with the U.S. and other governments, then what happens, the moment the British hear about it,
probably the Americans too, instead of letting them carry on and de-engineer this oil and carry on working on it as they had since World War I, No, the British go down, and they send in the SAS, and they take this ET, intelligent nanosubstance.
It goes back to Marconi in Britain, where it's, for a few years, they attempt to interface with it.
It starts taking off satellites, and it causes problems with weather satellites.
But the wider point is that The deaths at Marconi can be seen as a result of the hubris of humanity when it thinks, well actually, despite the fact that these ETs seem very benevolent, they're offering us some way forward on the planet and some advice, then no, we're going to do it ourselves.
The military industrial complex is greedy, it's short-sighted, and so they take the stuff back to Marconi who are unprepared.
So I, as well as being a real event, I see the deaths at Marconi that we covered in the last few interviews as being It's sort of symbolic of humanity's greed.
The 22 deaths of their employees over what it was a five or six, seven year period just illustrates the situation we're in at the moment and one that I hope is changing at the moment when we get testimonies like Alex.
Hopefully there'll be a change in the way that we start dealing with these intelligences.
It's about time we started taking our advice.
I've never agreed with all these people that go, well, it should be down to human ingenuity to deal with our own problems.
It's like bollocks.
We can't deal with our own problems.
It's pretty obvious.
We let bankers run our world.
We let weird Cabals, Illuminati-type cabals, run our world.
We can't do it.
We need ET dialogue.
We need ET intervention to some degree.
And there's another case coming up.
I don't know whether we want to go to that now, which is the issue also related to the Falklands War.
The last craft out of Thule Island was carrying equipment that they were trying to take to another base in a rush because they didn't want to be part of the war.
The Argentinians wanted them to come on side and take on the British.
They did not want to be part of the war.
Just as the first directive in Star Trek says, you shouldn't intervene in the development of a planet or a culture that's developing.
And so, of course, they left the base on Dall Island and they tried to get away.
And one of their craft was seemingly shot down.
We've done a lot of research into this.
You want to move on to the blue diamond affair, but we can span out, once we've got that example, which again is like Marconi, the greed of humanity, the greed of the military, then tends to backfire to a degree.
So I don't know if you want to move on to that point.
It's where you're both happy with, but I'll finish there and let Alec carry on perhaps.
Okay, well, thank you very much for that.
Obviously, the plot thickens, as they say, literally and figuratively.
Well, I just wanted to say here, though, that what we're really talking about is not completely clear.
In other words, I think that people will not understand necessarily the link of the Marconi The deaths of the Marconi scientists and how it pertains to the black oil, this self-aware nanotech substance.
And I think this is a link-up that is real.
But I think that we need more evidence to figure out how this manifested.
And I don't know...
Also, I want to ask Alec if he's had more interactions with these ETs More knowledge come to him and also we need to get the house link up as to whether he had anything to contribute along the lines to what is going on here because it's important that people understand the root of this whole inquiry although it's a fascinating ET human interaction story the root of it is what is
the destiny of humanity and it actually gets Down to the decision that the sort of military-industrial complex has decided to go down the line of robotic Superman, as I call it.
In other words, the nanotech, AI, machine reality, that augmenting of humanity and our sort of physical forms, our mental abilities, using technology.
This is the choice.
We're at a crossroads as a species to decide.
And not that we can't use technology, but if it becomes our master, then we are going to be in trouble.
And in fact, that is, if you listen to Anthony Sanchez as well in our prior podcast, Live events, then you will know that this is a very real danger.
And Alec, I think you and the ETs that you're dealing with have obviously gone down that road.
The ETs specifically have the knowledge to contribute to this, and this is why they left Thule Island among possibly other reasons.
So, I wanted to clarify that.
So, David, if you wanted to add something to what I just said, or we can go with Alec, either way.
All right.
I think you're right.
Because, again, it's all the same when you research or give talks on areas.
You become so accustomed to it that you forget that, of course, sometimes these things are quite complex and need breaking down.
So, one minute and we'll hand over to Alec.
The situation with Marconi, I mean Alec has gone into this to a degree very briefly, so essentially the Falklands War took place, and let me say something that I didn't say in the two Camelot interviews previously.
Interesting, the British labelled the operation on Thor, where they went in and blew up this base where, let's point out that as you've heard in the previous interviews, you may have heard, The Argentinians have built a base above the ground, and according to Alex's very reliable testimony, which is also backed up by the very fact the Argentinians actually built this base on this really tight, it's two and a half, full island, just north of Antarctica, the most southerly of the South Sandwich or the Forkhand Islands.
It's two and a half kilometers wide.
It's nothing.
It's a volcanic island with nothing on it.
For some reason, and I have a contact who was actually on the base, he's an Argentinian guy, a really nice guy that was part of the supply.
He's a lieutenant who was in charge of scientific exploration and also supplying the base logistics.
The Argentinians had no reason to build on this base, but magically, in 1976, if you go to my website, you can see the pictures of this base up there.
They built this overground base.
From what we know, then, since World War I, the Louis T group that Alec was in touch with had built a base deep underground on Thor Island.
Now, the important point to note here, especially when we come to Marconi, is they needed to be in this area because the This geological substance that's hidden deep beneath the Earth's crust, although it does come up at certain points as we found out, needs both.
The important points are it needs pressure and it needs cold to stay dormant.
Once it mixes with seawater or heat or pressure starts to change, then these environmental factors act as a catalyst and what we then presume starts happening and we I think we have evidence for in certain cases is that a morphine begins.
I'll quickly diverge onto the Gulf of Mexico incident, a ship that turned up there to investigate and possibly get a sample of this nanotech fluid that the ET says is thousands of years old.
They had a research vessel where they tested out this.
They used a polymer chain reaction thing on board this vessel called the Porcois Paz, a very famous research vessel from France.
And they noticed that this black substance that they got hold of started morphine.
They made a point that it started affecting the nuclear reactor on board their ship.
The flecks of this black solution underwater started affecting the navigation ability of the skin of the submarine.
Certain soldiers or scientists on board this research vessel started to get ill, just as we see from the British and many other Antarctic survey team.
It seemed to get, quote, taken home with, quote, mystery illnesses down from the I've got two or three clippings with this where groups are suddenly drilling in Lake Vostok or doing certain things in Antarctica and suddenly they're all rushed off back home for this strange illness.
Well, this black oil substance seems to affect humans in a certain way, which of course it would if it's a biological terraforming agent.
So essentially, the British take this back to Marconi and they try to interface with the material.
And the point is, with the Marconi deaths, what's startlingly obvious is they didn't know, as with any ET technology, they didn't know what they had on their hands.
They were arrogant.
They thought, right, you know, we can do something with this.
I think they'd heard about it before.
They'd probably heard about it from the Americans or even the Argentinians.
Who knows?
But the point is they didn't know what they were dealing with.
Kerry made an interesting point in the interview we did previously that maybe these black fluids that the ETs had warned about, that they call a dark force.
Alex was told there it's a dark energy sort of thing that's been around for years.
They claim it was put on this planet by another alien intelligence.
And one of its uses could be that if they came to perhaps try and take over the planet, or have their own agenda on the planet, and they lost that battle, what they could do is they could leave, go out into outer space, and on the way out, when they're off to their next planet, whatever they're going to do, they could send a certain frequency.
And again, Alec can start talking about frequencies, because the South African intelligence agent also started telling him about certain antennas that were laid around the Earth.
That only in 2012, 2011 to 2012, have started bleeping, indicating there's something going on in this 2012 thing and these antennas and this nano solution.
So essentially Mark Henley took it back and it resulted in the deaths of, and I do a whole talk on this for two or three hours, it resulted in the deaths of, if my webcam's on you can see this is the book, it's called It's certainly backwards to me, but anyway, it's called Open Verdict by Tony Collins, and it goes into the Marconi deaths.
He has a different view, of course, because he wrote that in the 90s.
He hadn't got Alex's testimony to back up what happened to Marconi.
But let's just say that these 22 scientists that died, died very bizarre deaths.
I haven't got time to go into them.
You can look these up online yourself.
Absolutely bizarre deaths.
And Kerry made a point last time.
Which was quite shrewd, I think, in its own way, that it could well be that maybe if these scientists that were brought into the project to deal with this sentient nanofluid, that maybe they had perhaps started to speak to their friends or they were frightened of it and didn't want to deal with it.
We certainly have one case, Victor Moore, who Alec might be able to mention later.
Victor Moore worked at Marconi and he tried to get off the project.
He tried to leave the Marconi project that was dealing with this high-tech A.I. sentient nano solution, because he didn't like what he was involved in.
And he ended up committing suicide.
That's one authentic suicide out of the other 21 that we know weren't suicides.
They were bizarre deaths.
And we went into that last time on the camera.
So, if that's sort of enough information, I mean, the thing is that the Marconi thing is a huge area in itself.
I'll finish by saying that I made a really good point, and this was a few months ago.
Bear in mind what he said about this stuff, apparently this nano fluid, the ETs warned about that they were trying to de-engineer on Thorle Island.
It needs pressure and cold, or it certainly did at that point.
We don't know whether they managed to get round that somehow.
And interestingly, I went searching around for Marconi UK in-house newsletters.
This was after Alec made an appointment to...
And I eventually got hold of these very old Marconi newsletters.
It's like their in-house journal.
And what do I find in 1983, one year after the end of Auckland's war?
But Marconi ended up opening, and there's a screenshot of the magazine, the in-house news magazine on my website.
I wish I could show it now.
Essentially, you find that Marconi, a company that we don't think had any interest or specialisation in hydraulics.
So again, remember, pressure and cold, that's what hydraulics do.
Then we find that in 1983, they opened a highly advanced hydraulics research company.
But the crucial thing is, they don't open one unit to deal with it, they open two units.
And the, quote, other unit was classified as a It had its own air filtration system, emergency evacuation procedures, all this sort of stuff that essentially implies that they were dealing with something they didn't know what to do.
So they didn't know, they were unaware what the possibilities of this material were.
So you have Marconi in 1983, one year after the Falcons war, They set up this highly advanced cutting edge hydraulics research facility, but again, it's not just one facility, they had one next door to that, and they called it, they literally called this, it was a vacuum sealed place, they called it their dirty area.
Maybe someone who's listening could say, is there such a thing as dirty hydraulics that you have to have a separate unit for, this air-filtered security all around it?
Well, to me, it was just too much of a coincidence that David, I just want to stop you there for a moment, and maybe Alec can bring some clarity to this question with regard to the Marconi scientists,
because Although you are very accurately describing how they got involved and how they possibly even died, we know that a lot of the deaths were completely bizarre outside the realm of even believability.
But on the other hand, what I believe is that they became infected with this substance.
That's really what I believe.
I'm sorry?
I'm saying that was the point I was trying to make that you made in the previous interview that we did.
Your impression was, which I now think is quite a valid one, your impression was that maybe these people had been injected or interfaced with this bizarre nanosubstance, hence the very strange death that seemed to have went on.
It was almost like a weird mind control.
So that was the point you made.
Yeah, as though they became infected and had to be done away with in these bizarre ways, and or they even went crazy because of the AI being sort of shot into their veins directly, almost in a certain sense.
That's what I'm kind of getting.
But I'd love to hear from Alec on all of this.
So, Alec, are you there?
Yes, sure.
Listening with interest, Kerry.
Of course, it would be speculation on my part to say how and what the scientists were doing at Marconi.
No one can really know.
We just see the end product of their really weird deaths.
So anything's possible.
And if they're dealing with technology way beyond their comprehension, let alone understanding or ability to control, anything is possible.
But I could have no way could I know.
That's where David and I have been able to work in synergy, in a way, in tandem, because David's been doing all the groundwork, all the legwork, all the hard stuff.
He's been reading all the technical manuals and researching through and Googling.
This old information, because we are dealing with stuff that's more than 20 years old now, so almost 30 years old in the case of these Marconi deaths.
I can't know about those, but all I could steer David in the direction of this happened, that happened, and it ended up there most likely.
What can you find?
And he's, as I said before, he's unlocked Pandora's box, which kind of, you know, I don't like to To trumpet my own story, but it validates what I said in real time and in a manner that is not theoretical.
It's factual and, well, you could say newspapers don't lie, but for small facts, newspapers will be telling the truth.
They certainly don't tell the truth about extraterrestrials, we know that.
But I'm sure they had no reason to cover up Marconi opening a new hydraulics factory in 1983, etc.
And, of course, the deaths of their staff, they couldn't hide, even though they might have...
The reasons for their death might never have been disclosed.
So if I can go a loop back now to what you hinted at before, Kerry, about the craft, or it was David suggesting, the last craft to leave Thule Island.
They evacuated the base, of course.
They knew that it was going to be attacked.
It wouldn't have taken a great deal of skill to sort that out.
The British had already dealt to the Falkland Islands and now they were focusing their entire armada or at least a large segment of their armada on this little two-mile wide island that only had a small contingent of Argentinian weather and scientific researchers on.
So that base was destroyed and David has even been able to give us graphic demonstration of that happening in real time as well.
So now I can leap on from that and you might say this is speculation, but I have two ways to balance up my interpretation of what was happening at Thule Island and the Blue ETs.
One was from my in-house knowledge, speaking with them, interacting with them, but the second one was from an agent from South Africa who I called House because he was a rather large item, Mr X, we've also labelled him as.
His interpretation of what he was doing What he was receiving, the information, the intel he was getting from his side of the covert agent's interaction with extraterrestrials.
So, I'll go back to this craft leaving Thule Island with everything that they could pack into it in the form of extraterrestrial technology.
I knew exactly where that craft would have gone when it left Thule Island.
And it would have gone to Tibet, because that was the Blues, I would call, a senior base.
That was their long-standing base, maybe the original base that the Blues set up on Earth, maybe tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years ago, and that is where they normally work from.
Thule was rather a recent addition to their armada of bases.
So when Thule was destroyed, this craft would have had to have made its way back to Well, I considered to be Tibet.
Now, when I drew a flight path from Full Island to Tibet, it crossed over the landmass of South Africa.
Moreover, it crossed over a section of the Kalahari Desert.
And when Mr.
X, or House, suggested to me that they had intercepted an extraterrestrial craft in 1982, had shot it down and it had crashed in the Kalahari, And then my ET race said we lost the last craft out of Thul but never made it to Tibet.
You put the two stories together and they collate.
They validate themselves.
So then when Mr X goes on to tell me what they recovered from that last craft out of Thul, You have to believe what he's saying because we've already sort of confirmed that there was a craft to be shot down in the first place.
Now, the interesting thing is that what they discovered was an artifact, a piece of extraterrestrial technology that was like no other.
Alec, thank you.
I'm sorry to just interrupt you for a moment.
We have this very high whistling sound and I guess that's coming from your end.
We've determined it's not from our end.
Do you happen to know if there's a way to get rid of that whistling sound?
Does this David need to go on to mute?
No, he was...
It's all the same thing that we have every time we communicate, Alex, the same one.
I can recognize it again.
I think it's you that's having this thing thrown at you.
I think that's my impression.
Do you want to try yours on mute anyway, David, just to see if it helps?
I was muted the whole time.
Yeah, he was muted, so I guess we're just stuck with it.
It's kind of getting louder, though.
I don't know.
I'm getting a sound pattern off David's mic, as if, you know, you say it's mute, but I'm getting three bars of sound interference coming from David's mic.
I don't ask me how or why.
The only times when I've spoken to Alex this week, the only times we managed to get rid of it was by re-dying.
Then it goes away again, then it comes back.
I'm afraid this has been a long-standing thing.
But I can mute now, and I'll carry on talking.
And Alex, if you're watching.
All right.
Let's...
It seemed to quiet for a moment.
So let's...
I'm not sure.
I know it's kind of bothering people a bit.
I hate to hang up on you and then call you back in case we're going to not reach you at all.
But I will do so if you think it might help.
What do you think?
Yes, well, your listeners are more important.
They're the people that are not only paying for this broadcast, but they need to get a quality they can hear.
If you want to do a slight interruption, we can get straight back onto it.
I know where we're going to go.
This next bit of information might well be what they don't want you to hear.
Okay, let me hang up and call you back.
The rest of us will stay on the line and we'll call you right back.
Okay, sure enough, the sound disappears.
So I will see if I can now call him back.
Hopefully we'll be able to get him back on the line with us.
Thank you.
Okay.
Okay, you there?
Yeah, I'm here.
Lovely.
Okay.
Okay.
We've got a thumbs up from David, so go right ahead.
Okay, this sounds clear now.
So, yes, there was a piece of technology recovered from that downed craft in the Kalahari Desert in 1982.
This is a little bit, tiny little bit of background.
There was a story floated out there in the UFO journals about a craft that was shot down the Kalahari in 1989.
It was quite a famous case, I believe.
I'm not sure whether it's been disproved or not.
I'm not talking about that event is what I'm trying to stipulate here.
It may or may not have happened.
I would have no idea.
But I do know that the craft was lost in 1982 and this is what we're going to be talking about.
I don't think anyone's actually ever investigated it except the South Africans who shot it down.
That craft had a device in it.
If we go back to what the extraterrestrials were researching and dealing with at Thule Island, that base at Thule Island had to be powered up 24-7, even if there were no staff there.
So they had to have a device that would run non-stop, 24-7, without any extraterrestrial technicians to run it.
Now, most...
Other, I believe, most other extraterrestrial items that are of a technical nature that have been recovered by our covert agencies When there's no ETs around to actually hands-on or operate with their mind or however they set these devices up, this device will operate without any extraterrestrial presence.
So it was a gift, if you like, a massive piece of technology, even though it was small in size, no bigger than a laptop computer, perhaps.
It could power a whole world.
A village or a town, perhaps a very small city, had that capability in a package no bigger than a chocolate box.
Now, and the fact that it didn't need extraterrestrial input to make it work meant that anyone that had it could use it.
Now, a piece of technology like that that could be back-engineered or even used in its raw state was worth more money than there is gold on the planet, most likely.
Put it this way, it's worth more money not to be seen.
And the South Africans, which have always been a bit cash-strapped, I think decided, according to House anyway, my informant, the South African agent, said they put it on the international bidding market for any interested state to bid on, to own.
And the winners of that international auction were the kingship, I would suggest, of Saudi Arabia.
The royal family at that stage, I mean, we have to consider that Saudi Arabia is or was or still is the biggest oil producing nation on earth.
So if anybody had something to lose by a gadget going mainstream that could power up cities without using oil or run vehicles off or aircraft or whatever, Saudi Arabia would have had the most to lose.
And according to House, This was the country that won the bidding war.
I see that interference is coming back again, Kerry.
Yes, interesting.
Well, I guess we can call you back in just one moment.
We'll do that.
Incredible.
Thanks.
Thank you.
Sorry, everyone.
I will try to call him back again.
Right.
I'm online again.
I'll continue without a break, I think, just to try and get through this while we've got a clean line.
Okay, great.
The king's son actually came with the Royal Guard Regiment, came to South Africa to pick up this piece of technology.
And it was taken back to Saudi Arabia, where I would imagine it was put in safekeeping, safe storage, but a space of almost five, six years went by.
Whether they were trying to back-engineer it, I don't know, or whether they gave up on the project, or whether it was just handed.
I think the King's Health was...
It was in decline at that stage and from what I can believe the device was handed over to the Prince, Prince Fayyad I think his name was at the time.
This was 1989.
This device ended up in his safe keeping.
And this is where we come to the mainstream's version of the Blue Diamond event, the Blue Diamond Affair as it's been called and your listeners will be able to research this on the net.
If they just do Google Blue Diamond Affair and they'll come to all the sticky sort of nasty bits of what happens when $20 million worth of diamonds and precious stones get let loose in the COVID community.
It was killing everyone else.
But that was almost a cover because in the Prince Fayyad's safe was this device, this alien device.
And the joke of the mainstream coverage of this theft of $20 million worth of precious stones was that it was a Thai gardener that made his way into the Prince's It's a palace at some stage, wherever his safe was, and levered this safe open with a screwdriver.
And lo and behold, there was $20 million worth of precious stones and also this alien device.
Now, if we backstep a bit, my information from House was that it wasn't a Thai gardener, it was a CIA agent who'd been based in Thailand The history behind Thailand and Saudi Arabia is that there's a transient population of Thai people that go up to Saudi Arabia and do manual tasks for the royal families, do their gardening and their chauffeuring and their housekeeping.
For very little pay, obviously.
And this Thai gardener was a plant.
He was a CIA agent acting as a screen, as a gardener.
And he got into the confidence of the prince, obviously, in Saudi Arabia.
And he managed, with no doubt quite exotic, high-tech devices, to spring open the prince's safe.
He certainly wouldn't have been using a screwdriver.
And lo and behold, I think his eyes were bigger than his belly.
His task was obviously to lift this piece of alien technology and bring it back for safekeeping in either American's hands or British hands or whoever had devised the theft.
But when he saw all these gleaming rocks and diamonds, he decided, well, what the hell, I'll just put these in my back pocket and I'll be off and gone and no one will be any the wiser.
And the big mistake there was it gave the Saudi government a legit reason to come screaming down to Thailand.
Rook the place apart looking, supposedly looking for these diamonds, but I think they were far more concerned with this piece of alien technology.
And it was rather a little bit like Marconi.
There were deaths everywhere.
Everyone was getting shot up and kidnapped and tortured and gruesomely mutilated bodies were being found everywhere.
And it was just exactly what you might expect when a piece of very valuable Technology was dumped into the open, covert market, as it were.
It's a very long, complicated story, but this is the crux I got from Mr.
X. And it makes sense, because I've since had confirmation.
You asked initially if I had Any further contact as an ongoing thing?
Well, I've only had one or two small contacts in the last few years.
In the last two years, in fact.
And it was relating to the safe custody of this alien artifact.
Now, the timing...
The reason we even go into the Blue Diamond Affair is while I was having my interactions back here in New Zealand in 1989 and 1990 and being given a very, very hard time of it, is that that was exactly the timeframe when this alien artifact was stolen from the Princess Saif in Saudi Arabia.
And of course it had been tracked back down to Oceania and to Thailand.
And my information was that it came through a stream through Australia into New Zealand.
Now, I'm not going to say I received that device, because that would be the wrong thing to say, and I don't want anyone to assume that's what happened.
But there was a tie-up between that device, the Blue ETs, and me, and I cannot...
This was one hole in the story your listeners were going to have to deal with, I'm afraid, because I cannot confirm or deny that.
But believe me, I'm talking about it now, so you just have to read between the lines.
Okay, Alec, we're having problems again with the sound.
I'm very sorry.
And so I should really call you back at this moment.
And so let's do that if you don't mind.
Okay.
Wow, that is a really interesting dynamic.
like, Fascinating.
I think we're going to have to try another method next time.
Aside from Skype, Skype has just become too ridiculous.
Alec, are you there?
Yeah, I think they're getting on to you, Kerry.
Actually, I'm very pleased that you've actually managed to get as much out as you have.
You realise now that as we're getting into the crux of the matter, those interferences, you know, they're doing everything they possibly can to rub you out, basically.
If anything, if that adds anything to the validity of what I'm saying, I mean, I don't know how many times you do these Skype interviews, but have you ever had anything like this going on in the past before?
Yeah, but we're always, we have actually, not quite in this way.
You've got something unique going on at your end over there, which has something to do with some kind of Weird whistling effect.
I don't even know how they're creating it, but it seems very intentional and targeted towards you at any rate.
Maybe this is the New Zealand style of surveillance.
But at any rate, let's continue with this device.
Now you say that you were being a bit evasive there.
Purposefully, I gather.
And obviously we want you to stay safe.
But can you describe the device?
I guess somewhere along the line I'm confused personally with why this is being called Blue Diamond.
Is it simply because there were gemstones associated with the find or what?
Yes, well, see, the mainstream media only got, from their outlets, they only got the gems being stolen from the safe in Saudi Arabia.
So only the mainstream have called this the Blue Diamond Affair.
I mean, if anybody in the COVID agencies was talking about it, it would be the Blue ET Affair, I should imagine, because this was a device from, well, originally from Haven, the Blue ETs imported it to Earth.
And they'd be using it in one of their bases to run remotely, basically.
But this device was a prize of...
It wasn't so...
It wouldn't be a prize in a covert agent sense, but it would be a prize if it ever got out onto the open market, into the mainstream.
It would be worth more than gold because, I mean, you could start...
Terraforming the whole of the Sahara Desert and make it into a great garden if you had a device like this, because you could pump water forever for nothing and desalinate salt water.
I mean, these devices could just change life on Earth to a...
To a degree where you couldn't even imagine.
But anyway, that's why this was a valuable piece of technology.
And the fact that it was exactly 1990 that it came down into the Oceania and into my neck of the woods, I might say.
It was exactly 1990 I was having these interviews with these other agents from Great Britain and South Africa.
They were trying to get this device.
They were trying to intercept it.
And what happened when I go back to, I suggested to, they set up a sting scenario where they got me into prison.
But the build up before going to prison was that the police raided my house.
They stripped the whole thing apart.
They were searching for something.
They wanted, they were hoping, thinking that they were going to find this device.
That's the whole reason why I was targeted in a very nefarious way.
They didn't really care about my extraterrestrial...
Okay, well that's the first time I've heard you actually put it in those words.
I did read part in the book and I don't know that you actually clarified that in the book.
No, I never talked about it before, Kerry, because it's a dangerous subject, and the fact that people were dying in Thailand, left, right, and center, and I do not want the triad coming down here and doing a number on me or my family or anyone I was connected to.
So I stayed very quiet about that.
I mentioned it fractionally in passing in the last Nexus conference, but I stated to that point, I've never put this in writing.
It's never going to be in the book, and I really probably shouldn't be talking about it now, but your listeners deserve to know...
What's going on behind the scenes in the ET Covert Government Agency?
And this is something I can relate to them because I have insider information, and I'm part of that shenanigans, you might say.
I'm certainly being hit on enough, being smashed around enough, or being beaten up, or being put in jail.
They want this device back, and of course, I haven't got it now, which is why I'm talking more freely about it.
Okay, well, let me ask you this.
You know, I appreciate all of this.
It's wonderful.
And I thank God the sound has gone away.
They probably want to hear what you have to say this time.
But what happened?
Was this device the same device or we're talking about a different device than the one that you were shown that was discovered or uncovered in South Africa at a crash?
No, no, that device that House showed me in prison was just a very small little matchbox-like device.
Yes.
I think he wanted to see the look on my face when he produced it because he would have realized I would have recognized it as being alien technology that I would be obeyed with having dealt with the blues before because he knew it came from a blue craft.
I see.
He just wanted to see what would happen when I saw it.
And maybe if I would talk about it.
I didn't talk about it to him, but I did touch it.
And that was when I went off the deep end, and that's when I got a little bit more recall about my event.
But please, disassociate that small item, that small alien artifact, with the item we're talking about from Saudi Arabia, which is taken from a different craft.
And can we get the date when this particular item was uncovered?
Well, the craft crashed in 1982.
The auction would have taken place soon after, maybe 1983.
It went to Saudi Arabia soon after that, and then it was stolen from the Saudis in 1989.
It's just a coincidence that it was stolen from the Saudis at the very same year that I was having my extraterrestrial interaction.
That's, I think, pure coincidence.
But the fact that it was 1990, by the time it sifted its way back, this device came back down through Thailand And to my neck of the woods was exactly when I was getting all these COVID agencies hassling me, chasing me, following me and trying to interview me.
It coincided to be a very poor timing on my behalf.
Okay, well, I have to say I'm not so sure about all that.
that there seems to be a very clear link up.
And what I'd like to do at this point is ask David Griffin, who's listening to this, hopefully hearing all of it, what his thoughts are on the matter.
Can you speak a little louder?
Sorry, we're having trouble hearing you again.
Yeah, I'm having breakups for both you and Alex at the moment.
The situation I just wanted to point out, why this device was unique, was because, as Alex said, on Thule Island, because of the sensitive biological nature of this nanofluid that they've been trying to de-engineer since because of the sensitive biological nature of this nanofluid that they've been trying to de-engineer since World War I on Thule Island, then they needed a device that would run
Now, I'm presuming this was something to do with keeping the bass cold, maybe keeping the substance that they were experimenting with and trying to de-engineer and pressurize.
Okay, Alec, could we get you to mute yourself because we've got this hissing or whistling sound and can't hear David very well.
You won't believe this, Kerry, but I've been flicking the mute button and guess what?
It's not working.
Oh, okay.
All right.
You wouldn't believe it.
No, I would believe you at this point.
So, it's okay.
So, David, would you say then that the device had to do with powering the base and that's the connection?
Yeah, the device, the important thing, I mean, let's go back to a very infamous story about Bob Lazar.
Let's bring some other data here.
Let's go back to the Bob Lazar story, Aero 51.
The military industrial complex is so desperate to get hold of these devices and usually keep them for themselves.
Wendell Stevens was told a story about a basketball-sized energy device that was capable of desalinating water.
It was the size of a basketball, and the military simply left it somewhere in the Arctic, I think he said it was, and left it there, doing its job.
But they certainly weren't going to bring it back and give it to our scientists.
This is, of course, all to do with the Rockefeller oil cartels and the general status of the economy, etc., etc., their own power base.
And the Bob Lazar case is just as interesting because it shows the lengths they'll go to to try and de-engineer these things.
So, in Bob Lazar's case, he was brought in, if you believe his story, which I always have done, he was brought in to back engineer, essentially it was an engine out of one of the sources that he described, because the last couple of scientists working at Aero 51 stroke S4 The military industrial complex had actually died in an explosion when they were trying to de-engineer this thing.
And so you have these stories where the military industrial complex are desperate to get hold of these free energy devices, back-engineer them, and use them for their own purposes.
Even though the blue ETs, like many other ETs groups that you'll find in the contact picture, have offered the same with Jim Sparks's case, Jim Sparks's ETs, We're good to go.
To run the space on full, when the ETs weren't there, if they were off on a mission, whatever they were doing, then the crucial thing is, as we all see here, as you all know, we hear about sources and ET technology that requires an organic ET interface.
In other words, the ETs have to be present for that device to operate.
And the unique thing about the device from Thor, according to Alec's information, is that it didn't need that.
And so, of course, what a fine, if you can imagine, that what Alec hasn't mentioned is that a new Tesla weapon was in use in the seas of South Africa.
I don't know if I noticed if it was a South African Navy ship or a British one or whoever, but someone who knew about the Falklands issue shot down this craft in 1982.
The reason that they were so overjoyed, the reason this thing could command so much on the market was because it didn't need this ETA. It didn't need an ET presence around it to operate.
If you read the literature, you find that all the time, that ETs need to be present in order for a saucer to fly.
ETs need to be present for a UFO to fire up that they found.
We come across this all the time.
The fact is, this device didn't need that.
So of course, you imagine that.
They managed to get this thing going.
So it represented a complete threat to the oil-producing nations of the world.
And it was the Sounders that came and offered multi-million pounds, probably billions, I should think, for this device.
But again, it comes back to what I said before, that this is all to do with the fact that human greed comes in.
So instead of these South Africans saying, right, see a box of this, we're going to give it to some...
Okay.
Are you there?
Okay, we almost lost you there, so are you there?
Yes, David.
I'm sorry, David?
Yes, we heard you until the last sentence or two, and then all of a sudden it went blank, at least at my end.
And we've been trying to get Alec back on.
Alec, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here now, Kerry.
I was out of that for a short time.
All right.
So at this moment, how is your mute button working?
Mine's still not working.
It just blinks, but it doesn't do anything.
So that's going to be a problem, I guess.
Yes, simply because we've got this very high-pitched whistling happening, although right now it's stopped.
So why don't we move along?
David, you were just finishing up with talking about Saudi Arabian, the Saudis having this device and obviously having purchased it possibly, you were alluding to.
I'm wondering if that's actually accurate.
But it's, I guess, possible.
Do we have any subsubstance behind that?
In other words, evidence of the Saudis having had it, having purchased it.
Well, we have the Green Diamond there, which you can find, and I'll just point out here that the reality, you see, what Alec has done is, these information, also from the South African intelligence agents, that put this information to him and basically explained, and they had a really good relationship.
Let's not think that this guy had the intention of actually taking Alec for a ride.
They really stuck up a good relationship.
Okay, who struck up a good relationship?
with who?
I'm just making a point I haven't already with regard to Jews I can't hear you very well at my end Do you want me to fill you in, Kerry, if you can hear me better?
Alright, well let's give it a try, Alec.
You want to answer that question.
Yeah, well, I would be the person that knows this better than even David.
I mean, it's only what I've told David, and it's in the book, but the South African agent that interviewed me when I was in prison and showed me that other small article, artifact, just as he was leaving, he dropped me a note, covertly by the way, And the note suggested I've spoken to one of them.
He was trying to get a point across that in his job in alien recovery at some stage in his illustrious scientific career, he had actually met a cosmonaut or an astronaut from another planet.
And he wanted to get that point across to me.
I think at one stage he wanted to make contact at a later date.
He knew he was not going to get any information out of me in a business sense in that prison interview.
But at a later date, we haven't really got time to go into it, but he obviously found my email address and he sent me an email about 1997 and reintroduced himself to me.
And this is why House is not in the original book.
In the original edition of Co-Evolution, I didn't reconnect with House again until after the original book had been printed.
But my interaction with him then lasted several years on and off, and we exchanged a huge amount of information.
Without committing either of us to state secrets, if you like, We stuck up a bit of rapport and we exchanged pleasantries and we exchanged a little bit of what we call non-sensitive knowledge.
And from the knowledge I got from him was that definitely this device went to the Saudis.
I see no reason why he would have lied to me about it.
There's no point to that.
And the fact that it's backed up by semi-disclosure and mainstream about Withoutes having that one palace raided and valuable stolen, in exactly the right time frame for it to have ended up in my neck of the woods and for other agencies to come chasing after me thinking I might have it.
And the house was at that point filling me in on what had been happening behind my back because while I had come back from this extraterrestrial interaction in 1989, I had no idea that a Saudi safe had been broken or blown or Or accessed and that a device was floating around in Asia.
I mean, how could I possibly know that?
But House informed me of such at a later date.
So, then when a device becomes available, And somebody wanted to know if I could safe-keep it.
It makes sense to me, but I didn't know where it had originally come from.
So the information I was giving you from House about the raid or the safe-breaking in Prince Fayad's palace It was retrospective information, but it tied all the other information I'd received after that date, it made sense, and put it into a loop and a bundle.
Okay, I want to ask you a question that sounds a little offbeat, but are you talking about Dodi Fayyad's father?
Prince Fayyad is the son.
Are we talking about the link up with Diana and Dodi Fayyad?
Is this the same family or not?
No, I think that's separate.
I haven't gone there, Kerry.
I don't think that's connected, but you've got a very good point.
Maybe there's another lead for David to have a look at.
Well, I just wanted to ask about it.
Because of the last name, it's possible, the Fayyad family.
I mean, you can appreciate that in Saudi Arabia, in the Middle East, these families are quite large and do spread out.
It would be an interesting sort of lead to follow, in my opinion.
Yes.
I can't go there obviously because I don't know and that's perhaps a story for another day.
There isn't a lot more here, Kerry.
All I wanted to do now is tie up to my, and even really I shouldn't be talking about this either but I will, the interaction I had two years ago or a year ago which was the last tidbit of information and the last contact I had with Anything related to this entire case.
So it is important, even though it won't reveal anything untoward, but the contact I had, I received a letter, a registered letter to my publisher, to Duncan Rhodes at Nexus, about a year and a half ago.
And it was from a person in Italy.
And this guy was...
Playing it safe in that he did not want to be contacted by email or any form of electronic communication.
He had sent a registered letter and he wanted to reply by snail mail, by regular mail.
When I got the letter, it was like paranoia in triplicate because not only was it registered and sent via a third party to me, But on the reverse side of the letter, all the lettering had been inked out so that if you held it up to the light, you couldn't read it.
He made sure that no one could read the letter by holding the envelope up to a bright light.
He blanked everything out.
This is paranoia on a level I've never encountered before.
Wait one second.
I thought it was just someone who'd read my book and was trying to make contact with me but was being melodramatic about it.
I took that letter aside and virtually ignored it.
I didn't want to go to the trouble of having to Okay, Alec, I'm very sorry.
We need to stop you and call you back again.
This is getting very, very loud at my end.
It's ridiculous.
So I'll call you right back.
Sorry about this.
Oh, my God.
This is like being infected by some kind of crazy insect infestation or something.
This must be grey technology.
Jesus Christ.
Sorry, everyone.
Okay, I'm ready to go if you want.
Yeah, please start up, explain.
Okay, so your last contact experience, most recent, and it had to do with what could you, I'm sorry, it was just too loud.
Yeah, okay.
Well, this letter came from what I considered initially just to be fan mail, if you like, from someone that had read the book and wanted to contact me.
He sent me a registered letter through my publisher, who forwarded on to me, and when I opened the letter, so that you couldn't read it by holding it up to the light, he'd blacked out with black ink on the reverse side of the page of So you couldn't see light shining through it, so you couldn't read the letter, you know, unless you had opened the envelope in a proper fashion.
And the mere fact that it was a registered letter, I mean, no one sends registered letters these days unless they contain valuable items.
And this was just a letter.
Nothing else in the envelope except for the fact that he blacked out the back of the So, it did perk my interest, but the fact that he was requesting me to only write back by snail mail rather than communicating with email, he suggested he didn't have any email contact, and I must write to him.
And he had a person that had known me previously wanted to make contact.
That was all he said.
So as enthusiastic as I perhaps should have been, I put that envelope aside and promptly forgot about it.
And in about a month or two months' time, this gentleman, or through a proxy, emailed my publisher and said, we haven't got receipt of the signed You know, when you get a registered letter, you have to sign for it, and the recipient gets a notification back in the mail that this letter has been received by whoever he sent it to.
He hadn't received any confirmation from Nexus magazine, from Duncan Rhodes, that he had received this letter.
And they were concerned, obviously, and he'd actually bothered to email Duncan and asked him, had he received the registered letter, had it been forwarded on to me?
And, of course, I had to admit, yes, I had received the letter.
I'm still sitting on it.
I had not replied to it.
So, anyway, this perked up my interest, and I sent off an email to this address that the guy had given Duncan Rhodes at Nexus Magazine, but that bounced back straight away.
So, then I had to write to the address that the guy had given me in the original letter.
And of course, stale mail, even by air mail, weeks were passing till I could get a letter to them and they would get a letter back to me.
The letter that came back contained a photograph, believe it or not, a recent photograph of someone I had seen on the Haven Craft 22 or 25 years ago.
So I knew this guy was legit.
This person in the Haven Craft It was now reported to be residing in an alien base or an ET base under Italy on the Italian-Swiss border and that they now had the device.
Thank you very much for your cooperation and your endeavors and now I'm celebrating my 130th birthday but it's only been one year for me.
Ha ha!
And that was the context of the letter and to complete the photograph which I recognize.
As a person I've met on that haven craft, which couldn't have been forged, this person was on earth in the last two years and residing in a base in Italy, under Italy, and that's about as far as my story goes.
Okay, and are you able to mute yourself so that we can have David speak now?
What do you think?
Yeah, well, I've pretty much, you know, if David wants to do some background on any other aspects to make it clear to the listening public, I'd be happy to let him have a go.
Okay, David, because the trouble is we need the muting because of this very loud sound again.
Should I call you back or do you think that you can mute yourself?
Well, if you can hear me okay, I'll just go.
Okay, please do.
All right.
Well, I'll just make a point that the Blue Diamond affair is all over sections of the media.
If you look for it, WikiLeaks, sorry, you can find, actually, that amongst the stuff that Julian Assange got, One of the diplomatic releases was written by a Thai ambassador from the US and he wrote this whole document that was then sent out, I presume, back to the US from the Thai embassy where he was ambassador there.
On the Blue Diamond Affair.
Now, if you look at the dates, Eric G. John is his name.
If you type him in, you'll find him listed on the, let me see, I've got the link here, it's on the, it's the Air Force military site, the.mil site.
His bio and background is linked up there.
Now, Alec gave the dates for when the duels, in quotes, together with the energy device was stolen from the safe with, quote, a screwdriver.
And, in fact, the ambassador, Eric G. John, was actually present in 1990, around about that point when the jewels went missing.
He was actually ambassador to Thailand and reporting back to the US. He then follows the whole issue of what happened between the two countries.
And one thing Alec hasn't highlighted, is the fact that what actually went on then, and if you imagine this was just over a few jewels, however expensive they may be, belonging to a Saudi prince or king or whatever, the fact was that this was, you can tell without even Alex's testimony about something more was going on in this situation,
because you have in the following the breaking of this faith by the quote, Ty Gardner, but as Alex says, was more likely a very skilled CIA asset, You then have this whole series of deaths that follow and bizarre tit-for-tat expulsions of staff in the various embassies, even to the point where Saudi Arabia changed the immigration deal that they had with Thailand.
I think it was something like 150,000 Thai I want the listeners to ask themselves, would that happen over the theft of a few diamonds and jewels from a safe?
No, this was a far bigger issue.
And the fact that Eric G. John wrote a cable that was then leaked by WikiLeaks, you can find it online, I think actually says that he knew what was going on.
He was there when the safe was broken into.
He then followed and made a point in the WikiLeaks cable saying, look, this resulted in deaths of people, this resulted in the changing of immigration and jobs.
Many people couldn't get a job in Saudi Arabia.
This is how big it got between Saudi Arabia and Thailand.
Another issue we haven't heard about unless you look into the specifics of the Blue Diamond affair.
One other important point about the WikiLeaks cable to do with this Is that Eric G. John, when he then left, only a couple of years ago, 2010-11, I think, when he left his position as Thai ambassador, he's got the golden magic job now, back at the White House, where he is now former advisor to head of Obama's Air Force.
That's the Chief of Staff.
You can't get any bigger than a Foreign Advisor.
I would suggest, tentatively, that he did his job very well.
He probably dealt in the background, back-child information on this energy device, and then obviously got a cushy job back in a Barclays Lighthouse as the Foreign Advisor to the Air Force Chief of Staff.
You have these real-world examples.
That you can map on very well to Alec's testimony and the experience of the South African intelligence agent that he struck up a good rapport with.
And really, one thing that struck me with the Blue Diamond affair is if this is just one that we managed to get a new slant on, thanks to people like Alec bravely coming forward to talk about this stuff, what else is going on?
How many more of these bizarre Diplomatic intelligence agency led swoops on safes and stuff, which then, what Alec won't fill me in I think because he doesn't know, he doesn't want to go too far, but something happened where the CIA essentially, you know, how many people get one over on the CIA? The CIA lost this in transit, and that's in quotes.
So this device then gets taken from the CIA, who tries to take it back from Saudi Arabia.
And this is just one episode amongst probably many that we don't see.
This is one that's risen to the surface.
And I find the whole issue fascinating, especially because it provides a nice time all the way back to the Falkland Islands.
In 1982 and of course the crash that left the Falken Island to have this device on board.
So it's an amazing story and it always strikes me how many other things are we missing?
Probably another thousand stories to do with ET technology are going on underneath this.
One final point before we have to move on to the other issue.
One final point is that these...aspects to do with free energy are going on around the planet.
And when you talk to the imperial dynasty, the E.T.E.s gave him, then again you find the facts that they offered...
Hello, David.
Can you hear me?
I think we've lost him, Kerry.
That is strange.
Do you want to do the old dial back again?
Yeah, it calls him automatically, but Alec, I'm glad you're at least on the line and we're not having that interference happen, so I'm not sure if he had a few wrap-up statements to make about that particular area.
I see how it kind of links up loosely.
We certainly have a free energy device.
Let me see what's happening here with...
David, are you there?
Alec, are you there?
Yeah, I'm still here, Kerry.
Okay.
All right.
Well, yeah, like musical chairs, sound-wise here, I guess...
As far as, I mean, we've been talking now, I think, for a couple of hours.
I've pretty much...
The problem is we've condensed this down from, like, you could talk all day on this to get the details firmly entrenched in everyone's mind, but we've compressed it To a minute entity that it is on a two-hour talkback show with three of us talking.
I've basically downloaded to you the information that I wanted to share.
If David's got anything he wants to wrap up on this, or if he thinks I've left something out that is important, I'd come back to him.
Okay, David, are you there?
Testing, testing, one, two.
Yeah, we've got you, David, so that's very good.
Okay, I've now totally blanked on how I was...
Okay, well, we were just wrapping up the Blue Diamond story and Alec had come on momentarily...
To say that he didn't feel he had much more to add in that regard.
And I believe that we really need to tie up the sort of loose ends now of the overall picture.
And Alec, if I can beg your indulgence and ask you to stay a little longer with us, because I would like...
To have you actually look at this entire event or series of events from a perspective of standing back and looking at it at a more big picture, if you will.
And then also, David, the same thing.
If we could now look at this situation, we've got the spill in the Gulf that involves the black oil, etc., etc.
Go right ahead, David.
You wanted to say something.
Well, I just thought at this point, given that we've mentioned ancient bioweapons in the title of the Scanalog talk, then maybe Alec could go on to explain.
He's got some amazing ideas about this terraforming nanosubstance.
One thing we haven't covered, and I hope we've got time to cover, is we need to cover the tests he underwent on this blue ETP planet called Haven.
He underwent a series of tests that basically tested his DNA, his immune system, because of some things that they think is going to happen on this planet.
So Alec could maybe go through that.
Yes, please do, Alec.
And I also do want to ask you, because we are in the year 2012, if there's something impending that this group did talk to you about, it appears they do have some credibility simply by way of us being able to connect these dots already in the real world.
So are you able to also address that?
But please do continue.
Well, as far as 2012, I had no timeline knowledge.
The extraterrestrial race did say they were waiting in anticipation of some sort of a change to humanity.
And the reason that they wanted to splice in with their hybrids to the human race or become domiciled on planet Earth in the near future, and this was, don't forget, this was 1989, so the near future for them would be perhaps now.
They were concerned that they needed to be here for a time frame approaching maybe 2012, but that date was never mentioned in my interactions with them, and I wasn't even conscious of anything.
In 1989, I don't think too many people would have been taking very conscious knowledge of the Mayan prophecies in 2012.
But what I have read up on the Mayan prophecies, just as a side note, is that there's nothing scary about their interpretation of a new world or a new time.
It's certainly not...
Cataclysmic that I can see.
But to get back to extraterrestrial perspective, they did expect something to happen to the human race.
They were keen to modify their hybrids to a point where they would be capable of living on Earth without infection, if I could call it that.
And I was extensively tested for my immune system mostly.
They were very pleased.
I mean, I do have a trait of never catching colds and never getting sick, and I really have never had a sick day in my life.
So I'm blessed with a natural DNA structure or a natural immune system which is highly functional.
That may be part of the tie-in with the blues and why they're more interested in me and why I had that 10 days away, as a side note.
But most certainly they were anticipating A release into our atmosphere or into our food supplies or some such activation of a plague-like pestilence, if I might put it that way.
I do not like the scaremonger, but they were expecting the human race to find some hard times in the near future in the health department, and I think this might be artificially And then we come back to are the greys and artificial intelligence, are they biological or are they not?
And I can't answer that question.
I can only say the Blues were very concerned with what was about to happen and it may be stemming from covert agencies, hidden agendas, behind closed doors, black power, governments, whatever.
Which may be in cahoots with other extraterrestrials which do not have the human race's future.
Sorry, I'm thinking of the right word to use here, but they may not be so concerned with what happens to us.
Right.
Okay, so you were tested and you have sort of a very resilient form of DNA to where you don't, your immune system is quite vital.
I'm sure that they also probably took samples from you to possibly use in their genetic engineering process.
They had the ability to replicate someone's body to the nth degree.
They could clone me if they liked, but that wasn't their intent.
But they could certainly clone my whole DNA structure, my whole immune system.
They could use it to use as a backbone, if you like, for a hybrid.
They had the technology to do that.
But we do have evidence in your talking about all of this of in essence a group which is apparently benevolent or appears to be benevolent but still does have an agenda that is to some degree self-involved although they again appear to have the human race As sort of their best interests in mind to some degree.
But they're still doing genetic engineering.
In other words, they're also creating hybrids, you're saying, with humanity.
Is that correct?
Yes.
I mean, your listeners would have to read the book to get the whole background to that.
It's quite complex, and I don't want to go into those details.
But it's quite well explained in the book.
You know, for them to reside on planet Earth they have to restructure a new body form.
I don't think they particularly want to create I think they want it to be biological, to operate on the same functions and manners as humanity does, to the point where they could interbreed with us.
And I don't think you'll find a piece of nanotechnology wanting to interbreed with us.
So the agenda for the Greys appears to be a different mindset, and that is to convert the whole of humanity into a plastic box, if you like.
The thing is, if you want to look at this in a big perspective, I would suggest you ask everyone, is our cosmos, is the universe an artificial construct?
Is it a hologram?
Is it a plastic box?
Are we already plastic boxes?
If you study nature and the DNA structure, it all seems to be very mathematical in its construct.
It doesn't seem to be random as we would be taught by mainstream science.
We may already be genetically engineered to be who we are.
So if another race comes along and wants to genetically engineer us into something slightly different to what we are, is that the wrong thing to expect or not?
Well, yeah, no, I appreciate that, and I think, I have to say, because this is Project Camelot, we do talk a lot about this kind of thing, that genetic engineering and re-engineering of humanity is going on, and there are multiple races that have been involved in our sort of trajectory,
and as is made clear in the book, obviously they are among the group that have also been seeding humanity with their own I guess, genome to some degree or participating in the whole human experiment.
So they're one of the races, no doubt about it.
But it is fascinating to see that they have some of the same enemies, so to speak, that we do, which is the reptilians and the greys and so on.
And there's certainly this nanotech And the warning associated with it cannot be taken lightly and is very crucial.
Am I correct in understanding that they did not have a solution to eliminating this black oil nanotech AI from the planet?
They had not landed upon a solution.
Is that correct?
Well, as I sort of alluded to at the very beginning of our conversation, this nanogoo can manipulate its own structure to a way where if you can get rid of one part of it or one cache of it, Under the Earth.
When you come to de-engineer the next pod, it's already learnt from the mistakes that the last pod made in trying to resist you.
And you have to start your science all over again.
So it's a very long methodical process.
And I have no idea how many caches of this material there are.
I've only just recently learnt that there may be one in the Indian Ocean.
And I'm researching that avenue because I believe the Blues have set up a base in the Indian Ocean not far from Madagascar to the east of Madagascar.
Okay.
Which is another whole new regime.
But the fact that they may well have de-engineered the cache under Thule Island, I don't know, but there's more of this stuff around and it's an ongoing task and a difficult one.
Alright, well, on top of it, though, we also have our own nanotech work that started here on planet Earth, and especially with the secret space program, and we've also got the satellites, the nanosatellites that are the grid that's out there.
It is not outside the realm of, you know, imagination to To think that perhaps these different AIs can eventually communicate with each other to the exclusion of humanity.
Have you thought about that?
Well, it would all be speculation on my part, Kerry.
Today, what I really wanted to relate to your listeners was what I know for sure or what I've been told by trusted information sources and what I've seen with my own eyes.
We can speculate on where that might go or how it might go, but anyone can do that.
And my speculation wouldn't be any more valid than yours or David's or anyone else's.
Actually, I mean, there is an element of your experience with the ETs, which I think you even acknowledge in your book that it's quite possible that you don't remember everything that they told you.
Yeah, most definitely that's correct.
I mean, because they were expecting me to have total recall when they linked up with me, and the fact that they had to, if you like, refire or reboot my memory manually, they probably never downloaded all the information that I could have had.
So my story in my mind is patchy.
I wish I knew more.
I'm relating to you.
So this is where, and sorry to interrupt you, but I have sort of an expertise in this particular area.
This is where sort of using your imagination, Alec, if I could give you a bit of friendly advice here, is actually the way you tap into memories that you think you don't have.
This is the way you begin to explore the possibility that those memories exist.
And using your imagination, see where it takes you.
And I would encourage you to do that exercise because the human brain is something of still a mystery, I think, even to the ETs, to be honest with you, various groups.
And I would suggest that its capability is far beyond what humanity certainly has discovered thus far.
So one of the ways in which you can do this is by Sort of cross-correlating and going down roads where you add two and two and you may get five or six or twelve or seventy.
You know what I'm saying?
In other words, unexpected places, unexpected roads can lead you to uncover places in your brain where something could be triggered and you could wake up or remember a particular sort of facet So your quest should not be over at this time.
I would encourage you that there's more there.
I would love to hear more from you in the future, and I think that you might surprise yourself in this way.
You're no doubt right, Kerry.
I do do meditation, and I might just point you in a direction that I have been experimenting with all of what you just said there.
If you go to my website and look in the blog and go to a very early blog, which is Mexico in the Gulf, you might be astounded to what happens when you get out of body, which is an experiment I've been having in the last few years.
There's a huge blog there.
It's a story in itself.
I ran this across Duncan one day, Duncan Rose at Nexus Magazine.
He said, well, that's a whole new book you've got there.
We don't want to tie that into the co-evolution experience because even though it might well be part of it, it's a whole new book.
So if your listeners want to go to my website, which is co-edged.com, I think it's on your website.
Yes, absolutely.
Go to my blog and go right down to near the bottom to Mexico and the Gulf and there's a huge blog there that I put in from out-of-body experiences and a trip I did to Mexico and South America in 2007 and as Duncan says, that's a whole new story.
Okay, well that's great.
I think that people should definitely do that, and I want to encourage them to do that.
And like I said, I do think you've got more link-ups to make.
I think that it would be fascinating to have you do that.
David, with everything in mind that we've been covering here, the bioweapons side of things, I don't think we've really addressed that too terribly much.
Do you want to talk about that?
Yeah, well, I'd just like to point out, to summarise perhaps some of the issues we brought up in the last Camelot video stream with Anthony Sanchez.
And the amazing testimony that, to my knowledge, or to my opinion, still isn't widely read and widely discussed enough is, of course, the testimony from the Colonel that Anthony Sanchez got regarding the Dulce Bates.
Anthony Bound from this interview from this colonel, the colonel who dealt with, quote, X incidents all over America and probably over the planet, basically gave him a testimony about what was going on in Dulce.
Dulce is this place in New Mexico that's been so well hidden, just stuff of rumour prior to this interview.
What have we got here that actually links up?
What it seems to have, what seems to have taken place in the post-war period from what me and Alec have discussed, is that the blue ET group that Alec interacted with seem to have re-aged.
And this is where my interest lies.
Where does the ET and UFO issue interact with world governments and satellite groups like intelligence agencies, corporations, etc., this whole story?
It seems to me that the Bluey TV have attempted to use this old-style method of asking permission to come down and de-engineer this technology, this nanotechnology.
They also put technology to clean up our planet.
And yet this was thrown back in their base, as many other ET groups have said.
As I mentioned to Eisenhower earlier, apparently that happened in the space when we stopped using nuclear technology, Eisenhower was told that we'd be given...
Okay, people are having trouble hearing you at this moment.
Can you speak a little louder?
Sorry about this.
All right, I'll get close to the microphone.
So I was just making a voice that Eisenhower in 1954 got offered this deal where it was a simple exchange between if you stop testing nuclear weapons, and we know from Fukushima that's the result of nuclear power.
We don't need this stuff.
The fact is we have other options.
If we liaise with these intelligent entities that are visiting our planet and offering us this technology on a plate, essentially for nothing.
They don't want anything.
They don't want to take over the planet.
They're just saying, look, have this new technology gadget and clean up your planet, feed your people, all the other sort of stuff.
What seems to have happened is the Blue Group tried this throughout history, probably from World War I maybe before, and this thrown back in their face.
What you then find, I think, is the Americans, the global cartels, then started to deal with the grey E.T. group.
The evidence for this is reading between the lines of Anson Sánchez's discussion in UFO Highway, where essentially the lid is blown open on the Dulce base.
What are they experimenting with there?
It's all to do with cattle mutilations, it's all to do with biological warfare, and mostly at the end it then becomes, it seems that it's also something then to do with these nano-satellite arrays where they are given These satellite arrays that are in space are programmed by GRAs, certain software to program these nanosatellites that is AI-run and AI-driven.
So you have these two seemingly opposing aspects going on where you've got the GRAs that are trying to Somehow seed our technology with this rather destructive, possibly, nano-AI type programming that's probably both in biology and also in these nano satellites that are up there in space.
And you have the blue ET group that are there on the fringes trying to deal with this stuff.
And then the one thing that I keep coming back to, and I keep wanting to hammer this home, because it just gets a negative response every time you bring it up with people, even in live audiences.
And that's the issue of Morgellons, which it's too freaky that the Morgellons issue has come around at this moment, just when all this stuff to do with nanotechnology, this sentient life form that's under the planet that the blue ET group we're trying to de-engineer.
And lo and behold, what do we get possibly from chemtrails or some other format?
We have this Morgellons virus, this Morgellons syndrome that's affecting people, making a certain amount of people ill.
But the point that's most important about this, given that Alec was taken and told by this evening that this sort of high-tech virus was coming to the planet, well, lo and behold, what does Cliff Carmichael find out by testing over 2,000 people, testing blood, urine and spit samples, he finds out that actually all All 2,000 people we checked are capable of cultivating this virus.
In other words, our bodies, it seems, have this nanotech Morgellons virus in them.
On top of that, it seems to be some sort of Well, go back to Marconi and you find the same sort of thing.
They managed to get this stuff activated.
Not only did it give out a frequency, it also seemed to respond to frequencies.
So we're basically in a situation where I think it's a playoff between, and this becomes symbolic and metaphorical, you have this really good ET group that tried liaising with governments, and you have the grey E.T. groups that are probably in bases like Dulce, maybe elsewhere on the planet, that are also dealing with this nanotechnology issue, but seemingly to the detriment, given they're working with the military industrial complex, seemingly to the detriment of humanity.
So these two polarities are operating, and I think are represented well by Alex's Blue E.T. group and the Greys, if you read, UFO highway with Nancy Sanchez.
Okay.
Well, very good.
And I've asked Alec if he can restart his Skype so that we can see if the mute button will start working again.
That will make it easier for us to have this conversation.
Now, we have questions in the chat, I imagine.
People have been listening for quite some time and asking their questions, and I wonder if we can take some of those questions.
I do want to say that if anyone did take the time when there were links and various notes associated on the page where you purchased this live event, if you happen to watch the video of Sophia Smallstorm, I believe her name is, which is excellent information regarding Morgellons and the nano...
If elements involved with Morgellons and with chemtrails in general, then what you get is something that is very, very fascinating.
So, in other words, we're being hit at from more than one angle.
On the one hand, you've got this bizarre black oil nano sort of AI substance that has now been activated on our planet.
And that the military is hiding from us.
On the other hand, and certainly that the blue ETs are very aware of.
On the other hand, you have the nanosatellite grid, Skynet and Mother, and that AI. And then by the same token, you've got this infestation of what is, in essence, well, nanotechnology being...
Filtrated through our atmosphere in chemtrails.
So what you've really got is kind of almost the building blocks for a, I don't know, a sentient AI is what I'm kind of getting.
And for people to begin to have these things manifest in their bodies, I guess people with Morgellons are people that have somehow picked this up and I've heard, I believe, David, if you're still there, can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah, I'm still here.
Okay.
I think maybe it was you that said perhaps they had a bad adverse, maybe it was Anthony that said this, that they had an adverse reaction to the nano going into their bodies, and so they developed a disease.
On the other hand, where their body was trying to reject it, on the other hand, I was suggesting that perhaps You know, that it was the reverse.
I don't know, that humanity was rejecting it and that they were the ones that it was sticking to, so to speak.
And then that there is a rebellion on some level.
In other words, it's a very fascinating conundrum that we've got going.
We've got multiple attacks from multiple angles, and I know that all of this can seem overwhelming to people listening, but that doesn't mean we should close our eyes to it.
It's very important that this, what I call the Terminator, you know, robotic Superman, this whole scenario be considered And begin to be understood.
So if you have anything to say about that.
Meanwhile, I do want to take on questions that are in the chat.
And someone here is actually suggesting perhaps the GMO foods are a part of this as well.
I would say, yeah, GMO is all part of the weakening of our immune systems.
And what the Blue ET said to Alec, they said there's a highly futuristic virus on its way, either released by a rogue ET group, Or by our own world government or aspects of our own world government.
But the important thing is they said that it is survivable.
For certain people this is survivable.
And some of this is to do with your own health.
And it makes sense to me.
Why this huge attack on GMO food?
Why this huge attack?
Okay, do we have Alec?
Alec, are you on the line?
Because we hear a lot of static at this moment.
I'll just come back on, Carrie.
Okay, very good.
Are you able to use your mute button at this time?
No, I went offline.
It didn't work.
It still doesn't work.
Okay, well, there you go.
So, okay, we gave it a try.
Okay, David, continue what you were just saying.
So, just to the point that this is all to do with weakening, and it's not me.
Many people have spoken about this.
This is to do with weakening of our immune systems based on perhaps what the Blue ET group told Alec about, well, some of this is survivable.
Well, if the military industrialists are aware of this at the top level, then of course they're going to start attacking us from every point possible, including GMO foods.
The one point that Sophia made in that very excellent talk she did, which is what some of us who have been into the whole chemtrail thing and are aware that the whole idea that this is geoengineering for saving the planet from global warming, which is utter rubbish, there's far more It's a multi-faceted program, the chemtrails issue.
And the one point she made, the one point that you've talked about for a few years, is essentially, you mentioned this, Kerry, but it's really important, because I don't think people get this, that we all have this nanosubstance inside of us.
It's designed to stay latent in our systems.
The people that have actually come out in these lesions, these bizarre wires that come out in these filaments and stuff, are those, the bodies that have actually rejected it.
I think that's a really good theory, that these few In any population, you've always got a few percent that don't comply to how a general sort of I think that's bang on.
The one other point I wanted to make, if you go to Clifford Carnicom's website at carnicominstitute.com, let's just go back I can remember what happened with Marconi.
They found that this nanomaterial was giving out frequencies that actually started to interfere with global weather satellites when they learned how to, quote, switch it on.
There's more stuff that Alec might want to go into about signals being given off from aerials, which he was told about, again, by this South African intelligence agent.
But the important point from Clifford's work, if you go and have a look, And you can go and see a Petri dish where he's actually carried out this experiment.
He found, when he found the right medium, I think he used red wine or something else, he basically found that if he added a certain spectrum of light, there was a certain spectrum of UV light that he added, that he found that literally overnight, in 24 hours, he could accelerate the growth of this nanotechnology, of these fibers.
this has come from someone's body in some form of a skin sample or a urine sample or whatever, and then it's cultivated.
He found that within 24 hours, this material rapidly, rapidly increased its volume and literally covered the petri dish in 24 hours.
Well, as he pointed out, this gives, I don't want to frighten people here, but he said this gives no hope for the intervention of the host organism, basically saying that when you apply the right frequency to this organism, that again is inside all of us if you believe Cliff Collins research when you apply this certain frequency, I think it's 0.7 nanometres, I don't know how light and frequency, as in sound, they are the same thing in some level, but I don't know How that all works.
Essentially, it seems that if it's possible that this rogue ET group or the military-industrial complex are aware that there is a frequency for this nanosubstance that's about to terraform our bodies or is sitting there later in the moment, and when they switch on these frequencies, That could be what happens inside our bodies.
We already know of Jan Smith, who worked with Clifford Carnicum, who ended up going to hospital, and the doctors backed away and went to put on, if you read her testimony, they went to put on isolation gowns, because as they started to repair a knee, they found these fibres coming out from their kneecap as they tried to replace the knee operation due to these fibres.
This is really scary stuff, and maybe Alec can come in and say why it's not all negative, Well, let me interject here because I did an interview quite a while back with Doc Barham, who is a healer and also has a background working with Robert Monroe in remote viewing in certain areas of consciousness.
And we did a show all about Morgellons and nanotech and so on.
Actually, that there's nanotech now involved in clothing, believe it or not, and he had discovered this.
But what he did tell us that was quite fascinating is that they had found a cure for this and that it could be washed out of the system using certain herbs and certain remedies.
In other words, that it isn't as dark as it may appear.
And that they had landed upon what it was that you needed in order to do this.
So I do think that that's really important to add.
And I also want to let you know that, in my view, it also has to do with how developed your light body is and your plasma body, in essence.
That this is anything, actually, that you can surmount absolutely anything.
If you have the right frequency because it's all about frequency and this is what they're targeting.
They're targeting lower frequency individuals, I have to tell you.
And this is what they're trying to do to maintain a low frequency to get robotics into certain groups so that they can then control them.
Through the use of frequency, that's what this is ultimately about to some degree, as well as making this Earth, sort of conditioning it, the environment terraforming it for another race altogether,
which in the Wingmakers material, by the way, is said to be a robotic race, and it would be no secret that through robotics and infesting Certain levels of humanity with these robotics that they would then become more controllable and certainly the super soldier program is all part of that as well.
Alec, do you want to add some things to this?
Just on that, the health issue, you might know that New Zealand, North and South Island of New Zealand, Christchurch in the South Island of New Zealand, is where the Americans have a base where they airlift down to McMurdo Sound in Antarctica.
And when they haul cargo or personnel back out of Antarctica, they usually come back up to Christchurch, where they have a space of the airfield there.
And Raytheon is a group, an American corporate company.
A company that deals in high-tech weaponry and also logistics.
Raytheon contracts to the American Antarctic team.
We had a personnel from Raytheon, two years ago this was, this is mainstream.
The only reason I'm mentioning it is because it made it into mainstream media here in New Zealand.
This guy was airlifted out of Antarctica with some illness.
Just reading the short summary that was in the newspaper, it appeared that he had been in quarantine.
For some time.
And if you go to the Raytheon website, they list their personnel and you can look up the more important personnel and see which department for Raytheon they work for.
Now the interesting thing about this newspaper report was that it was name suppression.
Now the guy did not want to be identified.
Now if you're just a logistics office, Wally, Working for Raytheon, why would you care if your name got out for mainstream public?
Anyway, this guy had name suppression while he was in isolation recovering from whatever it was that attacked him in some sort of a virus form in Antarctica.
And so, you know, you might have found if you had his name and he was into some sort of high-tech weaponry department in Raytheon, which of course they would not want to admit to because they're not supposed to have any personnel down in Antarctica working on weaponry with the US military.
so I would guess that's why there was name suppression there whatever he contracted in the way of a virus or some illness is anyone's conjecture but obviously if there's an isolation it wasn't anything pretty and I never heard anything more about that it was in our newspapers about 2010 I think that's pretty much all I've got to say but there's a lot more going on at the next level down that we only just get the tidbits
the tip of the iceberg in the newspapers But if you've got a sharp eye, you notice these things and you can start adding them up and putting two and two together.
Absolutely.
Well, fascinating.
And I imagine the recent reports of so-called zombies...
Is, you know, people sort of suddenly acting crazy.
This is part of it possibly...
You know, I know this is probably going to make people crazy, but I have to also bring in the Aurora shooting and...
And the whole neuroscience aspect of that, I've been investigating that further with one remote viewer who I had on my show.
His goes by the name of Alfred Koda, or Alfred Mock, who worked behind the scenes with the remote viewers in the Stargate program initially.
And he's been going down that road quite a ways as well.
It all does link back to AI, to...
To, let's see, what's the name of the, oh God, it's James Holmes' father's, I want to say Fairchild, but it's not, oh, Fair Isaac, that software that in essence was linked to the LIBOR scandals and is able to profile people financially,
because what we have with that is it links back to the PROMIS software, And all of that has become something of a basis for an AI here on the planet, here on planet Earth.
And so the AI contingent of all of this can't be underestimated, I have to say.
And AIs do talk to each other and are able to talk to each other.
Ultimately, and this is something that has to be considered.
So, there's no doubt that even the secret government at this point will have their hands full if any of this is even remotely accurate, as you can appreciate.
And even they cannot, even being on the dark side, some of this has got to be pretty daunting to even a dark sider, I have to say.
So at this point, I think we've been going for quite a while.
I'm going to see, if you don't mind, both of you, questions from the audience.
Would that be all right if we kind of tried to wrap up with some questions from the audience?
Yeah, I've got probably about 10 or 15 minutes spare time, Kerry, so that'll be about the end of it for me.
No problem.
And we've been going, you guys have been really amazing standing by as you have, you know, for all of this.
And I have to apologize.
For some reason, we've got great sound now that, I don't know, now that your testimony is done, Alec, and we're sort of off to a summary, we've got great sound.
Yes, haven't we?
I'm just going to quickly stroll and see if there are any questions.
If you did want to ask a question and it was a while ago and we don't see it here on the chat, please type it through again.
Thank you everyone for listening.
I'm really trying to see if there are any questions being put into the chat.
Someone wants to repeat where on your blog this new information is, if you could talk about that.
On my website there's a blog column on the right hand side when you go to the front page and you just click on that blog column.
And it will put, and you'll see the more recent blogs, but then there's a little link button at the bottom or somewhere to the right-hand side, which will say Older Blog, and it'll be in a previous batch of blog.
It's one of the very original ones I made, so you'll find it if you just scroll down to the bottom of the recent blogs and then go to Older Blog.
Well, someone's asking you to reiterate the most important thing you said today.
That's going to be kind of hard, I think.
Maybe another way of phrasing that is actually to have you, Alec, because this is a very special situation.
People don't realize that you don't do that many interviews.
And I believe you've also said that you might not do any more.
And so I guess people would like to know what is it that you most would like to say To humanity and maybe even convey about your experiences.
I think the most profound point I could make is that we have friends out there.
Don't wallow in doom and gloom.
There are people that are batting for us, if you like.
We have some very good friends in the cosmos and you will read a lot of negative stuff about extraterrestrials and maybe some of it's true.
I can't really comment because I have never interacted with anything that I would call in a negative way.
So the feeling of love and compassion I got from this group of blue ETs that That bonded with me.
It's a beautiful energy and they feel that way for a whole of humanity.
The reason they're risking their lives as we speak, trying to de-engineer some of this very nefarious equipment, I would say, that's been left on planet Earth from ancient wars.
It's because they feel the Earth has got a future, and humanity's got a future, and they want to keep the status quo, if you like.
They do not want the human race to be engineered into some other sort of plastic nanotechnology.
They think that we're a plant about to flower, is the way that I described it in a recent interview I did.
If you put a plant in the garden, And as it grows from a very small green shoot, it might not look too incredibly exciting, but eventually that small green shoot will give you a beautiful, wonderful flower, which is sort of like nature's gift for eye candy.
They seem to indicate to me that the human race was about to flower.
And that was something that the whole universe is waiting for and would like to see.
And there, if you like, our guardians are taking a back seat.
Making sure that we reach our potential.
I was left with that feeling of love and compassion from them and it's never gone.
So I just have to feel that we're worth sticking in there for the long haul and don't give up your sovereignty.
Okay, good words and good advice.
David, any last statements here to wrap this up?
We've been going for quite some time.
Not really.
I think Alex summed it up quite well there with what he just said.
I'll just draw back to his experience or his description he gave of the Kraut leaving Southern Fall and flying off on a tangent to Tibet and then being shot down by what we know to be a sort of redesigned Tesla weapon, I think, from what the house Mr.
X said to him.
And essentially, let's face it, these ETs are doing work on this planet for their own reasons as well, all to do with either bases on the planet or our DNA that they want to merge with their own.
But, you know, it's all bearing in mind that these beings are also good for our benefit.
We've been shocked probably in far higher levels that we're aware of.
And I can tell you that it's actually between the years, 1981, these craft that we're flying about, and if they had got a redesigned Tecno-Tesla beam point, then Eli's got shocked in these craft parkings.
I don't think it's a new ET. We've got a way.
So these ETs, the benevolent type ETs, or even the ones we don't know what side they're on, then they're out there usually doing something that's for their own benefit.
And also it merges, in my experience with contact literature, it merges with our own benefit to individuals.
We're out there and we're still shooting them down, even in the 80s.
I just think it's worth bearing that back in mind.
When people start talking about this strict division between the various ETs and the good ones, I think the barriers tend to be quite blurred in some ways.
We really need to get in charge of this situation, stop sending out blood We need a dialogue with these creatures that are listed on the planet.
And I think we'd solve half of the world's problems if we simply enter into a dialogue with these beings.
That's my main experience and the whole market we think.
I think the dialogue with these people would have issues going on and probably collapse the power structure as well, which would be a really good thing.
Okay, David, do you want to give your website just to wrap up and then we can also give Alex website as well?
Mine, since 2004-05, has been the UK ExoPolitics www.exopolitics.org.uk.
Just because we've mentioned Morgan's and Kentrails, I also used to run, two years ago when I just got retired, and the topic was the Kentrails UK website, which I think is still an archive of somewhere.
That was a very popular site, and we started going to call Kentrails and Morgan's issue there.
There's a forum there somewhere you can perhaps find.
So that's our main site, www.exopolitics.org.uk.
The Marconi stuff is all up there in slide format as well.
All right.
Thank you very much, David Griffin and Alec Newold.
Alec, any last parting words or did you want to give your website one more time, please?
It's on your site, Kerry.
It's just co-eds.
But if they just type in Alec Newold or co-evolution, the web links will find it very easily.
I really have to thank you for giving us this opportunity, Kerry.
I really appreciate your time and effort.
And your techies in the background will be wiping their brows and wondering what the hell happened there.
Anyway, we got through it.
Maybe it's not what we intended.
I wanted to do a bit of graphic demonstration in the background if I could get video up, but never mind.
We got there.
I appreciate your time.
I really appreciate the listeners that tuned in to spend their time.
to hear what we've got to say and I hope humanity sort of finds a balance in the future and we'll all be better off for it.
Okay, well, thank you very much.
Strangely enough, now the background sound has started up again in earnest.
I don't know what that's all about.
But anyway, thank you very much for listening, everyone.
Please do read his book, Co-Evolution.
I think the newest edition has more information in it, so I will recommend that to everyone.
And please stay tuned on Friday.
We do have a brand new free interview with Kesh, the Iranian physicist who is working with Free Energy.
That will be available to everyone and hopefully the sound will be in better shape at that time.
So thank you for listening and please do support Project Camelot.
I am attempting to pay both speakers as well as my tech team for this endeavor.
Lots of hours of work have gone into it and do appreciate any financial help you can give us.
So thank you very much and take care and have a great 2012, 21st of 2012, etc.
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