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01/04/2013 - Steven D. Kelley

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	Hi there.
	This is Keri Cassidy, Project Camelot with Sabloa Radio and very happy to be here tonight.
	Actually, this kind of snuck up on me.
	I guess we are live.
	My guest tonight is Stephen D. Kelly.
	And very happy to have him on the show.
	I know he was on the show with Tommy and Jerry a couple weeks ago while I was in Egypt, but I can tell you this will probably be a fairly different kind of an approach to his work.
	We'll see what we can do.
	And very happy to have him here on the show.
	Stephen, are you there?
	Yeah.
	Hi, Carrie.
	How are you doing?
	I'm good.
	I'm real good.
	And I just want everyone to know that I read your book.
	And it's called, let's see, Lasers, Cavers, and Magic.
	For those that aren't familiar with Stephen's work, I suggest you go to the front page of Camelot and that's projectcamelot.org or projectcamelot.tv.
	Either one will take you to the front page.
	And just scroll down to the radio show icon area.
	Where you'll see his name and you can click on his bio and read some background on him, which I'm going to kind of do right now.
	But I'm also going to let Stephen talk about himself.
	Because I'm sure he can do it better than I. Basically, it seems that he's got a background in laser technology and, well, also guns and how those go together.
	He can explain to you.
	And his company is called SK Industries.
	Apparently, he was something of a mover and a shaker in that whole arena for a number of years.
	Eventually, he kind of got woken up and through various exposure became aware of the E.T.
	side of the question, the occult and some of the dark magicians that are at work trying to steer our reality in a certain direction that we may not want it to go.
	So, we're going to be talking about all of that.
	It appears that he was approached by them a number of times to get him to come to work for them.
	In a sense, I guess you might say that he did work for them, but it was kind of, I don't know, against his will and after the fact.
	So, he can maybe explain that a little more, and I do want to delve into that.
	I encourage you to read his book.
	I think it's a fascinating story of his particular journey, which is kind of a unique approach to the whole subject matter.
	He got involved in it.
	It was unconventional, I think, the way you might say, the way he got involved in all of this.
	And now he's taken a turn, his life has taken a turn and he's gotten into healing, became a Reiki master and lectures on everything from Tesla, Reik, Schauberger, metaphysics, quantum physics and ETs.
	He brings a scientific background to his understanding of the workings of energy and apparently is very devoted to sort of a quest for his own enlightenment and to be of service to others.
	Without further ado, Stephen, that's a summary, sort of a rough summary.
	Do you want to talk about, you can either give yourself another summary or you can sort of start with a trajectory if you want to describe kind of how you got into the arena that you ended up in on the dark side and then how you kind of got out of it, saw the light, however you want to approach that.
	OK, sure.
	Well, first of all, I'm really happy that you got to read the book.
	That's going to save me a lot of time and help you with your questions.
	But I got into the electro-optics business right after high school.
	And what is electro-optics?
	That is actually the manufacture of the lenses and precision optical elements used in making lasers and laser systems.
	And most of this technology was pretty much unknown to people up until the original war in Iraq, Desert Storm, or when they were liberating Kuwait.
	And that's when we saw all of the Laser target designating and all these smart weapons and everything else and this was pretty much what I had my hands in for quite a while.
	Parts that went in everything from the M1 tanks to the Apache helicopters to all the missiles and battleships and you name it.
	Just about anything nowadays has got some sort of an optical system on board for viewing the enemy or targeting the enemy and what have you.
	So needless to say, yeah, I had my fingers and all that.
	And when they actually started using it and killing all those people, it really came home and it became personal.
	But I went and started my own company and relatively quickly got involved with some CIA people.
	And this was before Desert Storm.
	This was back when the Iranians were fighting, when Saddam was fighting against the Ayatollah.
	And the CIA was providing material to Saddam Hussein.
	And they were using people like myself and had recruited my brother.
	And that's how I got involved.
	And that was my first experience with the CIA.
	Sometime after that, I got involved with what I call the Ollie North Gang.
	I didn't know that it was the NSA at the time.
	I thought it was just another CIA operation.
	I was actually working for them as a contractor, building solid-state lasers.
	They were using these things, again, for target weapon sites and target designators for missiles and things like this.
	But it was dealing with those people that really caused me to wake up and realize that the whole concept of good and bad was not black and white.
	It was really all shades of gray, and the good guys were capable of evil and the bad guys were capable of good.
	So I had to go back and re-evaluate everything.
	After that, I got exposed to the Billy Meier people.
	I was actually recruited by them to help assist Billy Meier.
	For those that don't know Billy Meier, of course, he was the guy in Switzerland that allegedly had contact with Pleiadians.
	And my working with him was to help with security because I was in the weapons business to help them disseminate the information and to help them with some of the technical advice on what they were dealing with.
	And this exposed me to materials that were allegedly provided to him by the aliens.
	And that allowed me to develop some theories about how these beam ships were actually being assembled.
	And because of those theories, I believe this attracted the attention of more secret guys under Area 51 types, who continued to try to recruit me to get me out into the desert to work on these projects.
	Well, let me stop you right there because I think people will be interested in hearing a little bit more about your Billy Meyer sort of interaction.
	So are you saying that you flew over to Switzerland?
	No, no.
	I never flew over to Switzerland, but the whole team that went over there was a bunch of American guys, Britley Elders, Wendell Stevens, Bob Welsh.
	These were the people I was dealing with, and I dealt with them from here.
	It was all phone contacts and that kind of thing, but they did provide me with quite a bit of information.
	And when you were dealing with them, Like, were they telling you, in other words, were they saying that Billy had selected you to handle security or any of this sort of thing?
	Or were they just scoping you out?
	I mean, what kind of level did they approach you at?
	Well, Billy was really unaware of me.
	What happened was one of the individuals, another guy named Jay Dreyfus, at the time he was working for U.S.
	Armor and he was kind of a wannabe CIA type person and I had just had my falling out with the NSA guys and I was a little concerned that they were going to try to bump me off.
	So I had hooked up to him, or actually he hooked up to me.
	He wanted to put a laser on one of his weapons, and I needed body armor.
	So it was a mutual beneficial arrangement.
	And when I was having my meeting with him, this is when he started Dumping all the UFO stuff on me, showing me pictures of Billy's photos of the, you know, the beam ships and all this, and so it wasn't an instantaneous thing.
	It was kind of a slow process, the bringing me in.
	I had to be indoctrinated into this whole business.
	I was not, prior to that, even really aware of any of this stuff, and I was not a UFO ET person per se at that time.
	Okay, with that in mind though, and you say Billy wasn't aware of you, what, I mean, in other words, you got involved because this friend of yours referred you to them or did they discover you?
	He was actually working for them.
	He was one of the people.
	He was working for Britton Lee Elders.
	Those were the two primary contacts with him.
	He put me in contact with them.
	Most of my conversations with them had to deal with actually helping them sell their videos and their literature.
	And I have to say, I was, at the time, that kind of soured me a little bit because anytime somebody's selling important information like that, it kind of makes me question the validity.
	Okay.
	But, okay, and I know you, I think you said you, in the book, you read, and then they still fly, and still they fly, or whatever the name of the book is, right?
	I'm sorry, I'm a little confused.
	The Billy Meyer book, the story, it's called And Still They Fly, I think it's called?
	Well, the one that I read that they gave me was Message from the Pleiades.
	Okay.
	Yeah, there's probably other books.
	Did you ever meet George Green during those days?
	George Green?
	I don't think so.
	I did meet some incredible people, though.
	I met Bob Beck, and I had no idea who he was.
	Okay.
	I'm just curious, so you say you had no background as far as the ET question until that point.
	Did you not, growing up, have any sort of memories of strange sort of goings on, either on a psychic level?
	Did you have no abduction memories, no strange dreams, that sort of thing?
	Well, you know, the earliest strange thing that ever happened to me was probably when I was very young.
	I'm not exactly sure.
	I think my earliest memory is about five.
	But I do remember sometime around then, prior, say, I don't know, somewhere between five and seven years old, where I was actually having visions of a apocalypse type of scenario involving desert warfare.
	And I really had no idea what that was all about, but even at a very early age I knew that this had something to do with the future, so I've always known that I would be involved in some sort of apocalyptic scenario.
	But no E.T.
	stuff.
	Okay, well that's very interesting, and I remember in the book you said that you and your brother used to draw when you were young, underground bases in cities, correct?
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, very interesting.
	And what kind of underground bases and cities would you say they were?
	In other words, did they seem otherworldly or did they seem similar to the kind of cities we live only underground?
	Do you know what I mean?
	Well, these were really massive drawings that we used to do.
	I remember we would take sheets of paper and tape them together to make very large writing areas to draw on.
	And these were just multiple, multiple levels that would go down very deep and then they would have sub-pens and underwater stuff.
	I really have no idea why a kid would draw stuff like that, but we both did.
	At the time when you were drawing that, where were you located?
	I was living in Los Alamitos with my family in a little home.
	And did your brother and you ever discuss it?
	Like, I mean, it must have come back into your mind during the time when you started to recognize there was something about ETs and somehow you stumble on the idea of underground bases and then you realize that at some point you must have realized that you had been drawing them when you were a kid.
	I mean, when those things came sort of together in your head, did you ever go to your brother and say, hey, we used to do this, isn't that strange?
	Actually, yeah, we did have conversations like that, and I remember one of my friends had actually kept one of the drawings that we did and stashed it away, and he actually came back years later and said, hey, you know, you remember that drawing you did?
	I've still got it.
	So, yeah, certainly in the time that I was talking to my brother about this stuff, yeah, we did discuss the bizarre circumstances that would lead to something like that.
	I guess your father died and you found out he had been CIA, is that right?
	Yeah, he died at 60 years old, which to me was really terrible because that's really young.
	We had no idea of his background.
	He was in the Korean War, and we thought the whole time that he was some sort of a clerk working for a general.
	I've seen pictures of him standing with generals and stuff like that, but we really had no idea what he did.
	We thought he was kind of a paper pusher.
	But before I got involved with these NSA people, he was sick, he was on dialysis, he wasn't going to be around much longer, but I actually asked him, I said, you know, I'm getting ready to go to work with these CIA people, what do you think?
	Is this a good idea?
	Should I do this or not?
	And he never came out and told me anything about his background, but he said, yeah, sure, I don't see a problem, go ahead and do it.
	And then, you know, he died shortly thereafter.
	Well, my mother had insurance agents or attorneys looking to see if he had any military benefits, and that's where we found out about his past.
	So, but from at least in the book it sounds as though there was something you said extremely mysterious that he was involved in where he couldn't reveal it and I don't know some kind of honors or I can answer that.
	Allegedly, whatever it was he was involved in, was what caused him to get sick.
	We've been speculating, but during the Korean War, they were working on biological weapons.
	designed to kill Chinese.
	And this is a really heinous thing, but yes, they do have such things, biological weapons designed to kill off distinct ethnic groups.
	Whether or not he was involved with that, I don't know, but I suspect it had something to do with that.
	But what I did hear was that he was a hero.
	Apparently, he was very well respected.
	In fact, I've been told that if I ever went to Japan, That I would be treated like visiting royalty because of whatever it was that he did.
	But yeah, I was told that he had received several medals.
	I don't remember what they were.
	I think it was a Silver Star and something else.
	But they basically told him, it says if you want out, fine, we'll let you go.
	But you can't take your medals and you can never talk about this.
	So he kept that quiet for all those years.
	Yeah, that's really incredible.
	Did you ever find out whether or not he could secretly let your mother know anything about his past?
	No, she had no idea.
	She was completely in the dark.
	So it's too bad.
	It would have been fascinating to know more.
	If you ever get a chance to go down that road where you can meet someone who worked with him or something of that nature, maybe in writing your book someone could contact you.
	I guess that's a possibility.
	Well, that would certainly be fun.
	I've always thought about trying to contact somebody like that, but at this point, these military guys, I don't think they're going to want to talk to me anymore.
	Well, you never know.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I'm Camelot, so I always hold a good thought for whistleblowers and people that are getting on in age who know a lot And, you know, they might come forward right before they die, and there are a lot of them out there right now.
	So it's not completely out of the question.
	But to get back to Billy Meyer, I guess I'm kind of trying to delve into this a little bit with you because one thing I noticed in reading your book, and I understand how difficult it is to write a book like this where you're trying to tell your life story in a sense, but you're also trying to reveal A certain trajectory that is pertinent to kind of where you're at now.
	So it's not an easy task.
	And I know because I'm trying to do it myself.
	So kudos to having done this and done it successfully.
	And it is a fascinating read.
	Partly because you have traveled in some interesting circles.
	And you kind of, you know, it's not real flowery.
	You try to stay on track and you kind of tried to be, it seems that you tried to be pretty, pretty honest and upfront.
	But the whole time I have a feeling that there's a story there that hasn't been told.
	And I'm a little more interested in the one that you didn't tell than the one you did.
	You know, which is natural, maybe.
	But with that in mind, what I was thinking is, when I went to Billy Meyer's place, we tried to interview him.
	And I had a very interesting experience with regard to that.
	That was, I don't know if you want to call it otherworldly, but I got a signal from the Pleiadians.
	And I wondered if you ever had any sort of anomalous events happen around that time to you.
	Would it have been indicated that the Pleiadians were trying to communicate with you or anything of that nature?
	Well, I think that once the process of waking up was thoroughly in process and once I had really gotten away from the weapons business and the negativity and started to really develop my psychic skills, that's when downloads became more obvious.
	I got to the point to where I could ask a question and I would get an answer.
	That process improved quite a bit over the years.
	I would say that when it first started was with the NSA people prior to dealing with the Billy Meyer guys.
	When I had my big falling out and my big epiphany, I pretty much sent it out to the universe that I needed to know what was going on, what the motives were, and what this was all about.
	That's when it really started.
	It's not a very quick process.
	This information takes time.
	It's like waking up.
	It's not something you do overnight.
	It took me at least 20 years, probably, or more to get to where I am today.
	But for instance, when you talk about communication and downloads, I'm working on some alternative energy stuff, and it's like I would ask questions.
	I would say, okay, what's the significance of this?
	And I would get an answer almost instantaneously.
	So I would advise anybody that wants to utilize that skill to find calmness, to learn how to quiet your mind and start asking the questions.
	The information doesn't come to you until you start asking questions.
	So once I learned to do that, you can get answers for anything.
	Sure, absolutely.
	So, but I have to say that you didn't answer my question, which is okay.
	No, I mean, it's fine.
	You know, I mean, you did give a good answer, which in a sense explains maybe Sort of an aspect of what you're trying to say.
	But in essence, you're leading me to believe that nothing anomalous happened exactly during the time when you were dealing with the Billy Meyer people.
	Well, with respect to non-earthly activities, if they were going on, I wasn't really aware, but one of the things I can say during my time dealing with these Billy Meyer people Hi there, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are talking to Stephen D. Kelly.
	Stephen, right before the break, you started to tell me that the surveillance did increase around the time when you got involved with the Billy Meyer people.
	Can you elaborate on some of the stuff that might have been going on at that point?
	Sure.
	When I'm talking about surveillance, I mean guys in cars following you around, people in the bushes of my friends and neighbors watching activities, and of course the phones.
	The phones were going nuts.
	I had to constantly hang up phone calls and funny clicks and this kind of thing, so that was probably the most annoying.
	But, but I did have friends who got involved with me who also reported that they were being followed and they had suspicious activity around their homes.
	And that scared quite a few of them.
	But it seemed like anybody that was I was involved with or got close to me was subjected to this surveillance.
	And that was a good to me that was the biggest indicator that something there was something going on that this was the real deal.
	Okay, so what I would just say to you offhand is I would bet you that there are some anomalous events that happened.
	It may have sort of slipped by your notice at the time because you weren't focused on that kind of thing, but if you look back over that time, you might land on a few interesting things.
	I'm not sure why I'm telling you this, but it's just my thought.
	As far as telling people, you seem to have this sort of uncanny skill in the area of lasers, and I guess your brother as well, right?
	Or optics?
	I'm not sure how you classify it.
	Yeah, we were both very much involved in the world of lasers at an early age.
	It sounded like it was something that was kind of like you grew up in a neighborhood where other people got involved in that field.
	Is that right?
	That's true, yeah.
	You know, that kind of brings us back to that whole thing about we don't really have any control of our lives.
	We're pretty much programmed to go to certain places and do certain things.
	I kind of feel like I was being groomed, and by my family moving to Anaheim, where we were living, and being so close to all of this industry in Orange County.
	There's a major amount of this electro-optical industry in the Orange County, LA area.
	So yeah, and where I went to school, They actually taught electro-optics manufacturing.
	So yeah, it was like I was being groomed to get into this field.
	And I kind of feel like that's what lightworkers do.
	We work with light.
	So yeah.
	Okay, well, but they don't target people for death using the light.
	Well, let me respond to that.
	I just want to say that, yes, When I got into the solid state laser business and was dealing with the NSA guys, yeah, that was strictly all about gun sights.
	And yes, that experience did allow me to become an expert in the manufacture of laser gun sights and ultimately become the best in the world at manufacturing laser gun sights.
	My lasers were used in much, much more than just weapons.
	At a time, for a very short period of time, I was the largest manufacturer of solid-state lasers on the earth.
	And these things went to every research institution and all sorts of manufacturing endeavors.
	But when the Chinese came along, and essentially took over the entire industry and cut it out from underneath me, the weapons was the only thing left.
	And the reason was because when you're dealing with a weapons system, it's a life and death situation for the user, primarily law enforcement.
	Yeah, and they need to have something reliable, and the Chinese-made stuff didn't really work.
	But in defense of this whole death thing, I just want to say that when I first started putting these lasers on guns, they were visible lasers.
	They put out little red dots.
	And my thinking was that this was going to save lives because I remember I was living, I read a newspaper and I read an article about a young gangbanger that was running away from the cops and he was like 14 years old or something like that, jumping over a fence and they shot him in the back.
	And it occurred to me that if the cop had a laser on his gun, maybe the kid would have stopped running and they wouldn't have to get shot.
	So I firmly believe that by putting a laser on the gun, what we've done is we've introduced a step in between the pointing of the gun and the pulling of the trigger.
	Now when they point the gun, they turn on the laser and a very large portion of the time this means that the person having the gun pointed at them is going to see reality really quick.
	So I'd like to think that there's a lot of people alive today on both sides of the gun because of that laser.
	Yes, and I appreciate that.
	And obviously they are also using, I guess you call them invisible lasers, where they're not always using that red dot anymore, right?
	Yeah, well, that's when it started going beyond the law enforcement and started getting really heavily into the military.
	I was dealing with special forces, anti-terror groups, and I was very, very big with all of the anti-terror groups.
	This was back when fighting terrorism wasn't quite as fashionable as it is now.
	But yeah, they started incorporating these infrared lasers that required the night vision, and in the law enforcement application, or anti-terrorism, rescuing hostages, this kind of thing.
	It's not really that bad, but where it really started to bother me was when I was starting to get requests from Israel.
	You know, because I didn't want to have anything to do with that.
	You know, that's where it really went downhill.
	But yeah, I did develop a laser, a multi-beam laser system, which was designed to be modular and go on any weapon.
	And it had two infrared lasers and one visible laser, a visible infrared pointer beam and an infrared illumination beam.
	And I was actually approached by the military to have that thing evaluated.
	And this was prior to the war, really kicking off.
	And I'd never sent them a sample.
	I chose right there.
	I said, well, I could probably make a billion dollars selling these things, but I don't think I want to do that.
	So what seems to have happened, if you don't mind my saying so, it seems as though You were surveilled so heavily and in one of your descriptions you kind of talk about it very graphically in which you were designing something and then you felt somebody was watching over your shoulder.
	And the bottom line, and then in the end a French company comes up with a design that's exactly like what you came up with.
	And I have to say that what seems to have been happening is that your sort of trail was being dogged The entire time, and what they were using you for was for your skill set, but ultimately stealing your designs kind of out from under you and then incorporating them into black projects.
	And I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this isn't something that they commonly do.
	I mean, they did try to scout you a number of times to see how vulnerable you were, how willing you were to come on board.
	But when you showed resistance, They actually had to go away, but they didn't go away.
	They simply went underground and nabbed your inventions regardless.
	And then it seems that you also were sabotaged a number of times.
	Yeah, this is all true.
	To be honest with you, they do have alien technology and they are able to go into the future and look at people and what they're doing so they know who to watch.
	But because I'm an identical twin, They never really knew that I was the one that they wanted to latch on to.
	They actually, for quite a while, thought that my brother was the one.
	And they had recruited him and they were chasing him all over the place.
	And they actually had asked him about developing whether or not he was working on a multi-beam laser system.
	I didn't even hear anything about that until many years later after I had actually done this.
	So they knew it was coming down the line.
	But I do firmly believe
	That I did change my timeline by by not pursuing that because in the early 70s I had a young Vietnamese guy that was fresh off the boat do a reading for me and he told me that I was going to make a hundred million dollars in the weapons business and all this and I was you know pretty young and I thought that was pretty bizarre but I can see now that had I pursued that path
	It's very likely that, yeah, I could have done that.
	And one of the people that was actually recruiting me, I don't even know what kind of agency he belongs to, I just call him a caver or a templar.
	They were offering me millions and millions of dollars to set up a company to make anything I wanted.
	And naturally, I was focusing at the time on advanced weapons systems.
	But at the end of that process, I realized that these guys were trying to get me out to Area 51.
	They pretty much flat out revealed that that's what this was all about.
	They ran off.
	I've got to tell you, these people are afraid of me.
	They really are.
	Okay, I'm going to take that under advisement.
	I'm not sure what you mean by afraid of you.
	Well, I can get into that.
	You know, for years and years, when all of this stuff was going on with these spooks, I always tried to find out what the motives were, what it was that they really were after.
	And of course I thought it had something to do with the lasers, I thought it had something to do with technology, but later on I came to realize That it was much, much more than that.
	There was actually some sort of a strange bloodline thing going on and they were afraid of me because they knew that I had some certain psychic skills or they knew that I would be coming into these psychic skills.
	And they didn't know what I could do.
	I've actually had sit-down meetings with these Templar Bilderberger people where they flat out asked me what I can do and tried to get me to give them demonstrations of some sort of psychic skill.
	So these guys firmly believe that I am some sort of a threat to them and that this threat will come in the form of some sort of a psychic attack, I guess.
	Okay, I think I might phrase that a little differently, but I understand where you're coming from.
	You know, saying they're afraid might be, it's a matter of semantics.
	I think you might classify it a little different than that.
	What they are looking at is that you're a potential threat.
	But that doesn't synonymously also mean they're afraid of you.
	What it does mean is that, you know, they have sort of plotted your trajectory or at least a few of your possible trajectories and they see you are
	Potential threat and it you know, and they could be right I mean, you know, in other words all of us have within us potentials that if we actualize them Make us a force to be dealt with From the point of view of those people that want to one stay hidden and already you're revealing some things that they didn't want revealed So, you know, that's that's a threat and the other thing is that?
	Where that can go.
	In other words, once you reveal the truth about something like the base under the Getty, that's a pretty substantial piece of information.
	It's not even as removed as Area 51 is in the minds of people.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Because it's right here.
	I live in L.A.
	It's right here in the L.A.
	area.
	And I have to say that I've been aware on a psychic level.
	I mean, it was just like so obvious that they've been doing so much construction around that base and right in that part of the 405.
	I mean, it's absolutely unbelievable what they're doing over there.
	And they're constantly doing it.
	And they're working at night all the time.
	And they're moving land like what seems to be totally absurd, you know, Moving, you know, land from one side of the freeway to the other side of the freeway with no purpose involved.
	I mean, it's just, it's almost laughable what, you know, that's like so obvious.
	Yeah, that's true.
	We can get into all of that.
	I do want to have you sort of start at the beginning when you talk about the Getty and how you got involved in finding it and all of that, because it's a good story and I think people are going to be fascinated, especially if they haven't heard you talk about this yet.
	I know that you're kind of getting out there, so some people will probably already be familiar, but it's still a good story.
	But just to get back to kind of your trajectory, there's a point in your career when you got approached by this guy who basically started up a relationship with your mother in order to get to you.
	I thought it became quite a saga.
	Do you want to talk about that at all?
	Yeah, Tom Hanson, the mystery man.
	He was a character.
	You know, my father had died.
	He'd been dead for now a couple years, or a few years.
	My mother was a manager at a bank and she was out golfing and she was approached by a couple of guys that wanted to make a foursome.
	One of them was this Tom Hanson guy and he was charming or whatever and he was throwing around a lot of money and trying to portray himself as a multi-millionaire software engineer or whatever.
	A real name dropper.
	Anyway, they hooked up and relatively quickly he decided that he wanted to meet me.
	The first night that I went over there, he allegedly was going to invest money in my company.
	He basically came out and said, ìLook, I'm going to give you $10 million.
	Put together a business plan and tell me what you're going to do with it.î There you go, that's more brain picking going on.
	If you read that whole chapter, you'll see that just about everything that I wrote in that business plan has come to fruition from some other company.
	But the thing that was amazing or really intriguing about him was during his a conversation with me he asked me what do I know about non-ferrous metal and this had sent an alarm off in my head you know being somewhat psychic I pretty much knew that he was talking about silver
	And this goes back to that Billy Meyer thing with the silver sample and my developing theories about how the UFOs were being constructed, or the beam ships were being constructed using silver.
	You know, when he asked me about non-ferrous metal, right away I had a feeling that that's what he was talking about.
	He was talking about silver, but it was a very cryptic question, so I answered him in a very cryptic, cryptic answer, and I said, well, I know that you can use it for things that people don't usually think about.
	And he said, ah, good answer.
	So several times over the next few months during this recruitment process, he would constantly be offering me more money.
	This got up to like $63 million.
	And he'd always bring up this non-ferrous metal.
	He'd say, oh yes, we've got to talk about that non-ferrous metal.
	Well, at the very end of this process, I was sitting in my office and he was in Colorado and we were having a discussion on the phone and he said something like, he told me that he wanted to introduce me to some associates of his and I believe one of them was from Lockheed and the other one was from EG&G or Raytheon or something like that and that they were involved with Skunk Works.
	And I knew immediately, as soon as he said Skunk Works, that he's talking about Area 51, and that it's from day one that they knew about my Billy Meyer experience, and they knew about my theories about using silver to construct beam ships, and that this is why they had approached me, and that they had been listening in and doing surveillance, and they knew quite a bit about me.
	So I asked him, I said, look, this non-ferrous metal you've been talking about, it's silver, isn't it?
	And he was quiet for a minute, and then he comes back and says, well, yeah, it is.
	And I said, then you know a lot more about me than what I've told you about me and my family.
	And he said, well, I said, how do you know these things?
	He said, through parabolic means.
	And I'm thinking parabolic means, that sounds like a listening dish or a satellite or some sort of antenna.
	But needless to say, at that point, since I knew who he was and I knew what it was all about and they didn't have any more secrets and they weren't hiding anything from me, I pretty much said, look, I'm not going to mess around anymore.
	You guys, you give me, you put this much money in my bank account tomorrow or that's it.
	We're not talking anymore.
	And he BS'd me, he said, yeah, sure, sure, for a few days, yeah, I'm going to do this, I'm going to send you this money, blah, blah, blah.
	And he was actually with my mother, they were skiing in Colorado, and I lived down the street from her, so I was waiting for them to come back from the airport.
	And I was going to camp out in the driveway of my mother's home and wait for this guy to show up and confront him.
	And he managed to slip past me and essentially got out of the car, pulled my mom's suitcases out of the trunk and said, I gotta go, and took off.
	And he disappeared.
	He was never seen or heard from again until he sent my mother a Dear John letter and said, well, I can't see you anymore because of a problem I'm having with your son.
	But needless to say, again, that was a situation where I think he was afraid.
	You've got to understand that I was heavily armed at this time.
	I was teaching tactics to the military and to foreign governments.
	I was advising foreign governments on military tactics.
	These guys were concerned about what I would do, and he disappeared.
	But in a sense, I mean, he basically scoped you out for a period of time, and obviously you weren't going to buy it, so he had to disappear.
	But it appears that he kind of got quite a bit of leverage into your situation, got very close to your mother, and probably into your sort of psychological makeup.
	And it's kind of like you can imagine taking a hook and throwing it into the ocean and then drawing the fish into a certain point.
	They didn't hook you all the way.
	So obviously you got away, but that doesn't mean they didn't learn anything in the process.
	You know what I mean?
	And I think this is a common tactic.
	I think it's fascinating, you know, because I know you're seeing this from a personal point of view and I appreciate that, but I'm looking at it from the point of view of because I studied, you know, black projects and how they How they kind of put themselves together and how they've got this thing operating.
	It's kind of like the layers of an onion.
	Within, you've got a major corporation and within that corporation you've got layers in which they are getting involved in black projects.
	But they're covering it by, you know, these superficial layers.
	And obviously they wanted to recruit you the whole time.
	Um, maybe they thought different angles work.
	I mean, certainly you, you would lead one to believe that you were into their game to some degree.
	Um, like you said, you were dressing the part you're, you know, you're teaching tactics as you call them to military people.
	You're selling hardware, you're devising all these things.
	So, I mean, there's no doubt that they would keep you, uh, on, on what you might call a short leash.
	Yeah, well, I do have to tell you, though, that the next time, it was because of that experience that allowed me to understand how the recruitment process worked.
	And it was because of that that allowed me to recognize that process taking place when I saw somebody else going through it.
	And this is how we became aware of the Getty, because we had actually, through my brother, befriended the guy that was being recruited to become the trust fund manager for the Getty, and was actually recruited to become a high-ranking Templar Bilderberger person.
	Right.
	And that guy has passed on.
	What was his name again?
	Hi, this is Keri Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Stephen Kelly.
	Stephen, we were just talking or about to talk about this very interesting recruitment, as you called it, and how you kind of learned the signs because they happened to you and then saw them happening to a friend of yours as well.
	Do you want to kind of describe that story?
	Because that's a great lead into the whole Getty thing.
	Sure.
	Well, Jim was an interesting guy.
	He was a CPA or something and he worked with another associate.
	It's kind of a long story, but a couple of things.
	There's a few symbolisms.
	His father, who apparently was a high-level mason, received a jade dragon one day.
	He had this package delivered with a jade dragon, and this jade dragon had a hole in the stomach.
	They never really knew what that was, but they put it up on the mantle.
	And the guy died shortly thereafter.
	And next thing you know, the son is being recruited to go to work for the Getty and was being offered huge amounts of money and what have you to get on board with these people.
	And he related these experiences and I heard about this and said, oh, well, this is what's happening.
	This is what's going on.
	And as he was going through his recruitment process, I would be briefing him and giving him questions to ask his handlers.
	And his handlers never really knew what was going on for a while, but they were coming back with all sorts of answers.
	Like we'd ask them, why did you guys shoot down Flight 800?
	And the answer was, because we missed the plane that went up before it.
	Another question was, What about the bases on the moon?
	They said, well, you know, we went there in 1969.
	Did you really think we stopped after that?
	You know, very kind of cryptic answers, but it was it wasn't until this is when, you know, during his recruitment process, he was actually told to start studying on the Templars.
	And before that, I really did not know much about the Templars.
	I just thought it was, you know, Crusaders guys that ran around with big red crosses on their But I found out that the Templars were very much alive and well, and he actually was sent to the island of Malta for his initiation, and we heard about that.
	He told me quite a few stories about that.
	We learned about phase shifters, guys that would pop in and out of rooms.
	That's what they call it.
	They call it phase shifting.
	Colin Powell's family are a bunch of Templars.
	One of his nephews or something actually met this guy in Malta and helped him with this initiation.
	He was told to open up a bank account in Malta and they put money in it.
	They took him into an underground base over there in Malta where he went through this initiation and I believe this initiation actually involved the head of John the Baptist, which apparently they keep in a jar.
	I don't really know.
	I'm sure there's all sorts of other bizarre Baphomet-type rituals that they perform.
	But when this guy came back from Malta, he was one of them.
	He was no longer one of us.
	He had joined forces with them.
	But to get to the Getty, he was hired as the trust fund manager at the Getty which is an extremely high position over there and we really had no idea what was going on but basically because of the association with him, We were able to have a tour of the facilities at a very early date, and this is when the big giant elevator was seen down there.
	We had a remote viewer to actually go down there and investigate.
	This is when we found out about the big giant base underneath there.
	I should mention, I don't even think I said this in the book, but almost immediately the next day after finding out about this, I thought we were going to be killed.
	That was probably the second time that I thought for sure we were going to be killed.
	And it didn't happen.
	But they did freak out.
	They knew that they had been penetrated.
	They confronted our buddy and basically said, you know, you can't have anything to do with these people anymore.
	Stay away from them.
	Bad news.
	And he basically said, look, this is my team.
	They've been with me since day one.
	And if you want me, they're going to be part of my team.
	So they tried to recruit us, and at this time they still did not know about me.
	They were thinking that this was my brother that was the one that was providing him all this information.
	And the first thing they did is they tried to send him off to Turkey to do some sort of thing involving Noah's Ark.
	And I told them, I said, look, this is a trick.
	They're trying to get you out of the country so that they can do something.
	Don't do it.
	He didn't do it, but eventually I actually had a sit-down meeting with these people.
	And this is when they realized that I was the one they were looking for, not my brother.
	They actually said to him, they said, you're a pale shadow of him.
	And I think my brother is still very upset about this.
	I don't want anybody to think that I was the only one doing this.
	My brother was very much involved in this stuff too.
	We're identical twins, but we're two sides of the same coin.
	And he got one side and I got the other.
	But it turned out that I was the one that they were looking for.
	And after they figured out that I was the one, they essentially came out and asked me flat to my face, was I a militia leader?
	Was my intention to put together an army and invade their facility over there under the Getty?
	And they were very concerned about this.
	And looking at my webpage, which isn't up anymore, Law17.com, I had everything.
	I had advanced futuristic weapons.
	I had body armor.
	I had all kinds of stuff.
	These guys were very, very concerned because some of the things that I was manufacturing were way more advanced than what was actually being used by the military at the time.
	Actually, speaking of the time, what year was this all happening in?
	Wow, oh boy, let me think.
	I think this was during the Clinton years.
	But after, before 9-11 then?
	Yeah, this was all before 9-11.
	Okay.
	Because, you know, this is a ways back.
	So the Getty was built, I mean, we could actually go back into the history and see what year the Getty itself, the museum, the new museum, what we call the new museum.
	This is an old Getty as well, as you may know.
	That's a heavy-duty, occult, you know, masonic type of place.
	Have you been out there?
	I haven't been to the one in Malibu, but I totally believe it because if you go to the one in L.A., yeah, a lot of the artwork is very, very Masonic and you can feel it.
	Yeah, well, this is not just the artwork.
	I mean, it's the building itself and the grounds and the whole thing.
	And I wouldn't be surprised if the underground base goes beneath all of that as well.
	It's not all that far from there to Brentwood.
	If you just go straight through the mountains.
	Yeah, I think that's all hooked up.
	Yeah, so very interesting.
	I think that the idea that it may be a repository for or an archive for a lot of the artwork or at least a place where the artwork at least gets stored and then maybe shifted somewhere else makes sense.
	I have to say that That there's there's long been a concern about the motion picture industry being located in California and the archives for the industry also being in California because of obviously the number of earthquakes we have, etc.
	And there's no doubt whatsoever that they would be fortifying and putting that stuff somewhere where it would be safe.
	You can appreciate that Steven Spielberg and various high-level members of the entertainment industry are going to be read in on certain things that are done to save that legacy, if you will.
	Sure.
	Well, you know, when you talk about these underground bases, every one of these things has a specific purpose or application assigned to them.
	Denver is aviation.
	Dulcey is all about blood products for the ETs.
	The one under the Getty is specifically for preserving Western culture.
	So yeah, that's why there's so much art stashed there.
	And I'll tell you, if you go underneath the museum, there's considerable more art in storage than what is actually on display.
	And from what I understand, the Vatican is also storing art there too.
	Yeah, that's very interesting sort of idea.
	Why do you think that the Vatican is storing, I mean, is this what your friend told you?
	Yeah, uh-huh, yeah.
	Okay.
	And I know you were dealing with a couple of psychics, you know, supposedly psychics that also tapped into this, you know, and looked beneath the ground and then had some of that verified, I guess, by your friend and by a few other
	Well, you know, something that I should mention here that is a reoccurring thing, when this particular remote viewer went down there, her name was Bora.
	She was located on the East Coast and she was kind of a blue blood aristocracy, relocated out here in the U.S.
	But she was a very, kind of a witch type person, a little bit on the pagan side.
	And when she got to the bottom of this underground facility, she ran into the satanic temple at the very bottom with all of the human sacrifice and that sort of dark, evil stuff going on down there.
	And her immediate response was to go into an apologist mode.
	for what was going on, which is funny because whenever I deal with people who are disposed towards the dark side like that, whenever they're confronted with human sacrifice, they always say the same thing.
	And she was no different.
	And she actually came out and said, God and Satan are the same thing.
	And this to me is incredible, but whenever I confront these Satanists about this stuff, they always say the same thing.
	So for me, that was another form of affirmation, basically.
	Well, also something of a wake-up call, right?
	In regard to understanding that so-called lightworkers are not always lightworkers.
	Well, you know, that is certainly true.
	In the metaphysics community, I've certainly run into that quite a bit, that there are people that are, you know, so-called love and light people, who, you know, they talk about higher vibrations at the same time they will defend human sacrifice.
	I try to have an open mind and not be judgmental and go as an observer, but I draw the line at human sacrifice.
	I see no reason why somebody cannot renounce it.
	I'm glad to hear that you're able to do that.
	I'm sorry I don't buy into the everything is relative perspective.
	Speaking of human sacrifice, we've got some major human sacrifice going on and I noticed that in your book you're aware of this in terms of prior to trying to kick off a war or whatever, they end up doing certain massive human sacrifices and certainly Sandy Hook is a major bell ringer along those lines as you may know.
	Yeah, well, it was during the Clinton administration where they had actually asked me to work with them.
	And, you know, this was after they knew who I was.
	And they wanted me to help them develop some sort of technology for use in defending the Earth against alien invasion.
	And they appealed to me basically by saying, We're all humans.
	We all live on the Earth.
	We're not Republicans.
	We're not Democrats.
	We're not Jews.
	We're not Nazis.
	We're all living on this Earth, and we need to defend it.
	And I said, OK, fine.
	If that's the way you put it, all right.
	I'll put my political differences aside, and I will work with you guys to that end.
	But no more shooting down airplanes.
	And this was after Flight 800.
	And needless to say, come Halloween, you know, October 29th or whatever it was, they shot down Flight 990.
	And that was it.
	I didn't want to have anything to do with them after that.
	But what's really significant about this whole business with trying to develop weapons to use against aliens is I realized real quick that the technology, man-made technology, could never work and that the human brain and our psychic skills was the only area that the only thing that we had to really, it was of any use.
	So this is where I made that decision to go really hardcore into trying to develop my psychic skills And it was in the process of doing that that I really got immersed in the whole Love and Blight community.
	And I learned that fighting these bad guys, these underground caver Illuminati types, was not the answer.
	The answer was in serving the victim.
	And so yeah, so that was a major lesson for me to have to learn.
	Yeah, and I'm not sure I completely agree with that philosophy, but I appreciate where it's coming from.
	At this moment, what I want to do is I want to open the floor for questions, because I know we have some people in the audience that want to ask questions.
	We have a call in line as well on Revolution Radio, so people can go to the front page.
	The URL is freedomslips.com if you're not already there.
	And you'll see the call-in number so you can do that.
	And we have a producer, Ahmad Painter, who will help us with that.
	And then on top of it, we've got a chat room.
	Well, we've actually got two chat rooms going.
	One is the Project Camelot chat room that you can get to from the front page of Camelot and just click on live chat and then, you know, putting your questions in all caps if you have one.
	And the other is located on Revolution.
	I'm not on that particular chat because it has some kind of Sound effects are something that I can't get in there without having some bleed through, but I guess a mod painter can grab the questions from there and post them into the chat, which is what he often does.
	So we've got both of those things going on.
	I know people are going to want to ask you questions.
	I think it is interesting that you have these sort of visions of what you call desert warfare, and yet, you know, you do You have created weapons based on that, but you haven't really had any.
	It seems to me you haven't actually participated in desert warfare, contrary to your dream visions, whatever you want to call it.
	Well, that's right.
	I've never actually been in the military.
	When I grew up, you know, the Vietnam War was going on and we thought for sure we were going to get shift off, but it ended right as we were getting out of high school, so I dodged that bullet.
	But yeah, I think that's what really got us, you know, as a generation thinking about weapons.
	And I always felt that if I could be useful to the country strategically, helping with the increase our technology and our, you know, our defense capabilities, that that would be a good thing and I would be valuable and I wouldn't have to go off and fight in a war.
	Right, so in a sense you may have been studying desert warfare and trying to figure out what was the best application of, you know, of the technology.
	You know, it is an interesting question exactly whether one battles the dark side or one just simply, as you say, fortifies the victims.
	And of course that's a personal choice.
	One thing I think would be interesting to discuss is the notion about, for example, the Dulcey War.
	I don't know if you're familiar with that and have studied that at all because I interviewed Joanne Richards, the wife of Mark Richards, and we're actually in the process of trying to get him Finding some loopholes in his trial.
	He was framed for murder and has been in jail for 30 years, but he was supposedly one of the commanders who was commanding a division that went into Dulcey to rescue the humans that were being held in cages down there.
	And whereas, on a certain level, certainly the psychic abilities are going to be absolutely vital.
	And I will say that the, you know, certainly the Secret Space Program trains, I have to say, almost without exception, the whistleblowers we've been exposed to from Black Projects have all been trained and all have highly developed psychic abilities.
	So it's actually You know, maybe since the time you were involved in the sort of gun world, I don't know, in the early days, you may not know this, but you should know that that's actually gone with their job description.
	A lot of these people get hired because they have psychic abilities, and then they get sort of shunted off to various areas where they specialize in, be they science, engineering, or whatever the particular area is.
	Part of the reason why they were willing to consider recruiting you because you had both both sides of that equation.
	Well, I did learn really quick, dealing with these CIA people, that psychic skills were a very big part of the whole business.
	But from my perspective, back when I got done dealing with these All-North people, to me it was all about religion.
	And so my original approach to this whole issue, and this was prior to dealing with the Billy Meyer people, was that this was a religious issue.
	So I had to go back and start with the Bible and start with ancient mythology and try to understand what motivated these people to have these beliefs that they did.
	That led in 20 different directions.
	I found out real quick that the psychic thing was a very big deal.
	But I've got to tell you though, when I was sitting down with these caver people and we were having this dinner one night, we were eating in a Greek restaurant, drinking lots of ouzo.
	Later on, we went back to the house for cigars and he actually told us, my brother and me, that we belong to the Can't Be Killed Club.
	How do you like that, Carrie?
	Let me not jinx myself, but I have to say that I'm among that group.
	A lot of people have always asked myself and my partner in Camelot, Bill Ryan, why we weren't afraid with the kind of work we do.
	And the bottom line is because I feel protected I guess you might say on a certain level and it's not about life or death for us.
	So I think that there's a certain level of that and I know you write about that in your book and I think it's an interesting and certainly you can talk about some aspects of some of the people that threatened you and what happened.
	To them, I think people might find that interesting.
	There is something about that, you know, there's no doubt about it for whatever reason, you know, and I think it holds to a certain degree.
	I think there is a point when your time runs out, though.
	It may have a sort of expired date.
	The jury's still out on that, for you or for me, but I can tell you that William Cooper will tell you there's an expired date on that.
	Yeah, yeah, William Cooper, Bill Schneider, Gary Webb, all my heroes, yeah.
	I gotta tell you, you know, fear is something that you can't be in this business if you have fear, okay?
	And I'll tell you, when you've faced death, and I've faced it several times, I thought for sure they were going to kill me, I'm dealing with killers, and you get over it.
	After so many years, it doesn't happen, you just kind of get over it.
	And to be honest with you, writing this book, I fully intended to stir it up with this book.
	I wanted to be the spark that started the flame.
	I wanted to get the show on the road.
	I wanted to tear their house down.
	And I wanted this to be the weak link in their house of cards.
	And I truly believe this is the weak link in their house of cards.
	And I think they know it is.
	And I think that's one of the reasons why they're so concerned about whatever it was that they thought I was going to do.
	They knew that I was going to disrupt their status quo, but I don't think they really knew how it was going to come down.
	I think the future is still to be written in some ways on that score, because I can see some events in the future that may involve a lot more than what you've done so far.
	Just out of curiosity, when did you publish this book?
	Well, you know, I wrote it about a year ago.
	It only took about a month for me to write, but I sat on it for a while, and it wasn't until maybe a month before the Alchemy event that I had it published.
	I sent it off to... T.J.
	Morris actually was the one that did the formatting and stuck it up on Lulu.
	I'm probably going to have to go back and do a revision here before too long and maybe get it on Amazon or something so you guys can sell it.
	Okay well I'm sure you're going to have some book sales as a result of this interview and you know since you've been out there I'm sure it's starting to sell.
	I can say that we've got quite a few questions building up here so let's see if we can take one of the questions right off hand.
	We've got a person, do we have a caller also on hold here?
	We have two.
	One of them is 804, that's the first caller, and 805 is the second.
	Okay, so why don't we go with 804, if you want to ask your question right before that.
	We're going to go to a break, so make it quick, so you don't get interrupted.
	Hi.
	Hi, Terry.
	Hi, Steve.
	This is Cindy.
	How are you?
	I knew it was you, Cindy.
	How did I know it was going to be you?
	Hi.
	You know, the whole time I was listening, I keep saying in my...
	They want him for his psychic ability and then you finally did say it and what I'm getting, but I kept getting a sense of it's like one ET group and we're sort of like humans are like the prize and the intermediary and then other ET groups because they have so much technology already.
	It's our multi-dimensional abilities.
	I get it in a real sense thereafter.
	And if you want to elaborate more on the do not kill list, I'd love to hear more about that too.
	Okay.
	Okay, so was there just, I know we have maybe a possible break coming up here, but Stephen, do you want to, or Cindy, do you want to ask a direct question at all, or do you want me to go to the next call?
	No, let's just talk, what do we have that they want?
	It's our multi-dimensional ability, and it's like we must have some kind of sovereignty here.
	That, you know, it's like the bad ETs have made these agreements with the governments, and the good ones hopefully are coming in, but we have rights here as humans on Earth.
	Okay, well, thank you.
	Stephen, do you want to reply to that?
	The one thing that comes to my mind, Cindy, and I think you understand, is that we do have a lot more control over our timelines and our destiny than people would have you believe.
	There really isn't a lot that they can do to you.
	You need to put yourself in a position to where you can be manipulated.
	So yeah, we do have the power to protect ourselves.
	Okay.
	Thank you, Cindy, and thanks for your comments there.
	Caller 805, I think we've got a, is that right?
	Yes, it is.
	Hi.
	Go right ahead.
	Yeah, I'm from Ventura, California, and this is Tom.
	And matter of fact, Carrie, I sent Tommy this website.
	Somebody sent me this PDF file about a woman who is a nurse, and now she's 83, and she was the only female at Roswell.
	And she had these documents, and she found out that she only has a few months to live, and she had them buried for over 60 years.
	And she says there's very few men on this earth who know this.
	And if you want to read it, it's fantastic.
	If it's true, it's almost more important than the Bible.
	It's thenewearth.org slash roswellpdf.pdf.
	Okay, well, why don't you send me an email, carrie at projecthamelot.tv, and I'll be happy to look at it.
	And if she wants to be in touch with us, you know, please provide the information.
	Yeah, this will blow your mind, but what's the email again, Kerry?
	It's on my website and also on my blog right now, but it's Kerry, K-E-R-R-Y at ProjectCamelot.tv.
	That's the best email for me, best way to reach me.
	And thank you.
	Did you have any question for Steven at all?
	No, I did listen to his video when you had the conference down here in L.A.
	and I was interested in how And also this nurse says everything's done by mind control.
	And he was talking about the bubbles, and every underground has these bubbles, how they travel.
	Is that correct, Steve?
	Yeah, the tube trains.
	Yeah, high-speed transports.
	Yeah, one of the questions this nurse did ask the alien pilot, it was a female, And she's the only one that she would have a dialogue with.
	And she asked, how long does it take you to get here?
	And she said, minutes.
	And she said that we were here trillions of years before you were here.
	That's right.
	Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Stephen D. Kelly.
	And at this point, Stephen, just before we go to some more questions, I did have one question that a person was asking me behind the scenes.
	Someone wants me to ask you about your encounters with Nordic human-type ETs.
	Well, first of all, if I had contacted any ETs or ETs were dealing with me, they did not identify themselves as such.
	Although, I would have to say that there was at least two people in my life who I really had to wonder if they were indeed human.
	One would be that Tom Hanson guy that was recruiting me, the one that was going out with my mother.
	My mother told me some stories about some of his antics, especially in the bedroom.
	Which led me to believe that he hadn't had his body for very long and he was really enjoying it.
	The other time was another guy that I dealt with, a guy named Vince, and he was the one that coined the term cavers, that I'm using in the title of the book.
	And he was a funny character, you know, these guys, they all look human and all that, but the thing about Vince was that he had a way of talking that just did not seem human, earthly.
	He would use a sentence structure that was just very, very bizarre.
	So I've always kind of wondered about him.
	But otherwise as far as having any entities that actually identified themselves as Nordics No, no, they they tend not to do that and for whatever reason it is You know and it's not just the ETS.
	It's also spooks shadow people Negative entities for instance.
	I'm living in a house right now that had all sorts of malevolent spirits roaming around and appearing in mirrors and hovering over the bed and things like this.
	And as soon as I moved in, it all stopped.
	So I have a feeling that my energy is such that they don't come around.
	Well, yeah.
	I mean, I would say that there's also I know that you have a section in which you talk about your relationship with animals.
	And, you know, I can certainly relate to that because I relate to animals a lot.
	And it was very fascinating to hear your stories.
	And some of them are kind of heart-wrenching.
	But do you want to talk a little bit about your sort of abilities with animals?
	Because it does link up to sort of a natural proclivity to be able to communicate with non-verbally in the unseen realms.
	Yeah, well, you know, you're right, that is a very sad chapter, and it makes me sad even to think about it.
	But I do believe that animals, much like small children, can see things that mature humans can't see.
	They can see auras, they can see glows, they know when there's something going on there.
	My experience with the animals, I would refer to this as the St.
	Francis of Assisi thing.
	I kind of had the same thing.
	It wasn't just dogs and cats and stuff.
	I had quite a few experiences with wild birds.
	That would come into my life and want to be next to me and sit on my shoulder and just attach themselves to me.
	This happened more than once.
	I really wish I had a video camera back in those days and I could have recorded some of these behaviors.
	But yeah, it was crazy.
	I mean, to have a wild bird adopt you like that and just want to be around you constantly is just really strange.
	I can only imagine what it was like for St.
	Francis to go through the same sort of thing.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Well, I mean, I think animals are really good judges of character.
	And there is an element, some of us work with animals, you know, on a subliminal level and communicate with them very well.
	And I have that sort of proclivity myself.
	And I end up rescuing birds, have since I was a child.
	If there's a bird in trouble, I end up sort of Being on the scene, I can't quite describe what happens.
	It's very, very bizarre.
	And, you know, I'm not going to take the time to share those stories, but I can say that your stories really reminded me of some of these things.
	And it's just amazing how perceptive birds and animals are of humans.
	And I think it's a real indicator, you know, that you've got a Yeah, I think that we're all people are magicians in training.
	They're basically coming into self-realization and realizing that they are world builders and you're such a person, you know, and you've developed yourself far enough along that trajectory to where you recognize this about yourself.
	It seems even consciously and so that kind of lends it to lends things to that.
	But there's a side to that that has to do with them.
	They are there also, too, as protectors, as sort of help mates, whatever you want to call that.
	You know, there are a lot of stories about, you know, witches and warlocks who have their animals that help them in their work.
	Yeah.
	So it kind of harkens back to that.
	When you talk about witches and warlocks, I had a raven, a big, giant, black raven.
	I mean, it was a big scary bird.
	You know, you kind of thought you might take your finger off, but I think that something killed it.
	I don't know what happened, but I went out there one morning and, you know, I had a big cage in the backyard and it looked like it had a hole in its head.
	I don't know what happened, but I think it was assassinated.
	And I suspect that these caver people that I was dealing with felt that I was somehow using this bird in some sort of magic ritual and they felt that I'd be safer to remove the bird.
	Yeah, I mean, what probably did happen is, you know, I mean, they did that as a direct hit on you, but also that the bird was probably protecting you on a level and that they didn't want that to go on, so they eliminated the bird.
	You know, there's no doubt whatsoever in my mind that that happens, you know, that animals will protect your soul, they'll watch over you.
	You have also a description of a relationship with an animal that basically committed suicide.
	And I have a similar event that happened in my past.
	And I have to say that there's no doubt in my mind that I've actually warned people about that.
	You have to understand that you have a bond with animals, the people that do have animals.
	And once you establish that, they take it very seriously.
	If you, for some reason, are unable to continue that relationship because of logistics or whatever, they literally do elect to leave this realm.
	They can make that a conscious decision.
	Yeah, that would be much.
	Yeah.
	And I also noticed that you have a proclivity for white cats.
	I have to say I have a very notorious white cat, so it's kind of funny.
	Yeah, still have one.
	Sleeps with me every night.
	Okay, so we've got some more people.
	Do we have anyone on the phone before we go to some of the chat room questions?
	No, ma'am.
	Okay.
	So, I guess Ahmad, somebody wants to know if he knows Dr. Duncan Edwin?
	Is that the name?
	Dr. Duncan Edwin?
	I think it's Edward Duncan.
	I think it's just the way they posted it.
	Oh, Dr. Edwin Duncan.
	Does that ring a bell at all?
	No, I know Edwin Spina, but I don't think that's the same guy.
	He's an energy healer.
	But no, I'm afraid I don't know this guy.
	Someone else wants to know what you think about the Cassiopeia material, Laura Knight-Jedzik.
	If I'm not mistaken, that is channeling writings from stuff that was channeled?
	Yes.
	Is that correct?
	I do believe that I've read that, and I have to say that there's very good information
	But as an observer I take everything with a grain of salt and this especially applies to channelers mostly because the the service to other entities tend to Not interfere and not get involved with us and for example Bashar Is is a good example.
	There's there's a lot of useful information, but at the same time I I don't automatically I accept everything.
	I will process it and absorb it, but I'm going to hold it out there just because I don't want to... I certainly don't want to be led astray.
	Yeah, and I think that's a good attitude, I have to say.
	I think a lot of people do end up falling for certain things that are true and then sort of swallow the whole... they want to take on the whole thing.
	Yeah, you have to be watching out for half of those.
	Yeah, when you have a channel that's providing you with information that's obviously factual, it's easy to slip stuff in there that's not quite so valid.
	So, gotta watch out.
	Yeah, and a lot of interference happening.
	The channels are not completely clear or pure and therefore you can have other entities coming in unbeknownst to the person doing the channeling and get a lot of Cross-talk and a lot of misleading stuff.
	This happened with Edgar Cayce as well in case people aren't aware of that.
	Let's see, people in the chat are asking, do you want to talk about how you became aware and cultivated your inner healing energy allowing you to perform Reiki?
	Well, again, the big wake-up was with the NSA people.
	When I decided to develop the psychic skills, I got involved in a group called Poets.
	And that stands for People of Expanded Thoughts, and a friend of mine was actually running that group, and it was a metaphysical group, and I joined the group primarily because I wanted to meet other psychics, and I wanted to learn to increase my psychic skill.
	But this really opened me up to the entire metaphysical world, including, you know, occultic issues, using pendulums, tarot cards, all this sort of thing.
	Now, I come from a Christian background, so this was a little bit difficult for me to accept at first, but being an observer and knowing how to filter what resonated with me and what didn't, I felt secure in being able to become exposed to these things.
	I did start learning about moving energy relatively quick, and there's just so much.
	It's really hard to get into how that really expanded, but I would say that I was moving energy and I was doing healing.
	For quite a while before I actually studied Reiki and became a Reiki master.
	But the thing about the Reiki is that it does teach you how to do distance healing and it does teach a lot about the use of intention.
	So when we talk about healing, what we really want to focus on is that this is not voodoo, this is not an Eastern religion, this is healing with intention.
	And I think Dr. Imoto said it very well with his work, but he basically says that magic or this creative energy There's no more than movement and intention.
	So if you think about when you're speaking the words, when you're performing Reiki or whatever, you're using words and the words are moving because you are creating sound waves.
	So this is the stuff of the universe.
	This is very important.
	And I think if anybody that has read The Secret or knows anything about manifesting knows what I'm talking about, but this whole business with developing your psychic skills or your magic skills, as I like to refer to it, It opens the door to so many different things, and healing is just one of the many benefits that you get from utilizing your psychic skills.
	The ability to heal others is certainly a great way to serve others, but it also helps yourself, because when you're moving energy through your body, it actually does replenish your body and rebuild your cells.
	I'll give you an example.
	I was a heavy smoker for many, many years.
	I thought for sure that I was going to have lung issues, but I went and had a full body scan and I came up zero.
	I was completely clean.
	There was nothing wrong with me whatsoever.
	I think that's pretty incredible, but I attribute that to this moving energy.
	It's really wonderful.
	My lesson to people and my real desire is to have everybody advance their psychic skills.
	This is not about money.
	This is not about glory.
	We're all in this together.
	And I'm firmly convinced that the only way we're going to undo this evil in the world is if we all wake up and start developing our spiritual and psychic armor and developing our skills.
	And rule number one, service to others.
	Okay, along those lines, let me ask you this.
	You know, you have this background that's sort of into lasers, into optics and all of that, and certainly involved with guns.
	Have you continued work in that area?
	Or have you completely sort of packed that up and put it away?
	Where are you at with that?
	Yeah, I have totally put that away.
	Like I was telling you earlier, I'm still kind of messing around with Jerry.
	We're doing some stuff in the paintball business.
	I still have a reputation out there.
	I haven't screwed it up completely.
	I was a major gun person.
	I had a ridiculous amount of weapons in my possession and everything else, and it's all gone.
	It's all gone.
	Just about everything in my life is gone.
	My business, my family, you name it, it's all gone.
	But I do recognize the importance of weapons as far as preserving our freedom in this country.
	Even though I believe that the brain and the mind is certainly powerful enough to to serve my purposes.
	At the same time, I realize that it's the guns that keep the tyrants from trying to kill us all.
	So, you know, and I'll get into arguments with the love and light crowd.
	They think, well, you know, Christ consciousness and all that, but there is still a human component, and these things still serve a purpose.
	But as far as I'm concerned, I believe that psychic skills ultimately will be way more powerful than any kind of man-made tool.
	Okay.
	Someone is asking if the people you crossed paths with were focused on 1212, and what do you think about the fact that nothing extraordinary seemingly happened?
	Okay, well, first of all, with respect to these big shifts in things that were supposed to happen, first of all, you had to be awake to even notice what happened.
	And I certainly noticed.
	And not just 12-21.
	I mean, that day, 12-21, yes, things did happen.
	The morning that I woke up on 12-21, the world was different.
	And what really happened The shift that's happening is actually a polarization.
	What we're seeing as of 12-21 is a separation and a polarization of people.
	I'm seeing like-minded people networking, and I'm seeing other people moving aside.
	For instance, a lot of people are experiencing this where they're having Friends and family members and people close to them that are not waking up, and they're not realizing what's going on.
	These people are growing distant to those of us that are.
	And as far as the January 1st of this year, I can tell you that almost immediately I felt a change.
	I felt suddenly I didn't need to eat as much.
	My sleeping patterns changed considerably.
	I started sleeping only three or four hours a night.
	And I was getting by on maybe one or two meals a day.
	And this is very indicative of the increase in energy.
	So yes, there is certainly major things going on, but if you are asleep and if you're not paying attention, you're not going to notice any change at all.
	Fair enough.
	Yeah, I will agree with you.
	Of course, I was in Egypt and we had tremendous things going on there because we're in the vicinity of the Great Pyramid, at least part of the time, and then even out in what's called the White Desert.
	I have a picture on my website for those that are interested.
	A really bizarre, otherworldly place to be during this time of transition.
	I will say that I think that people are going to look back and realize more of the change In the future, when they look back at this time over December 2012 and going into 2013, I think it's very, very interesting that this energetics that has been, I think it's probably peaking
	In this time that we're in right now and so it's only when you get sort of out of a leveling out that you're going to look back and realizing that you were really in something.
	I know that there was a tremendous amount of energy that came into the planet in the last few weeks and in fact it was so Monumentally strong that it could probably knock you over in Egypt.
	But I don't know what people were experiencing obviously here in LA and various places around the globe.
	I guess it depended where you were and also again your sensitivity.
	Very much so.
	So I guess, let me see, do we have anybody else that is on the line right now?
	Otherwise Amad, do we?
	No, ma'am.
	Okay, so Stephen, at this point, in terms of the Getty and, you know, I thought it was really interesting, that description of the weapon that was in the cactus bed.
	Do you want to talk about that at all?
	You're talking about the Vimna?
	You described the terrain of the Getty, and you were very accurately describing the taverting, the thickness and the type of... I think that would be of interest to people.
	The construction materials that are made there and also the fact that the bed of cactus, specifically, you said it was indicative that there was underground there some kind of weapon that could then raise up.
	A gun emplacement, yeah.
	If you go to the southernmost corner of the Getty facility, They have a spot that overlooks the city.
	It's called the Cactus Garden, I think it is.
	And it's a large circular plot that they've essentially planted a bunch of little succulents.
	I mean, really insignificant little plants.
	But this is on the very far end and it has a sweeping view of the L.A.
	Basin and all the way out to Catalina.
	And it's a relatively large area.
	It's, oh gosh, I'm tempted to think, I don't know, maybe about 100 feet in diameter, perhaps.
	But I suspect that this is a weapon.
	There's probably a device that pops out underneath that thing and, I mean, you know, my God, it has a completely cover LA in anything approaching the facility.
	And, you know, if you look at the way this thing is constructed with large sloping walls covered with tavertine, it's ridiculous that they would build such a ridiculously expensive structure just to have some insignificant cactus and succulents planted there.
	So clearly that is a weapon system that's probably going to pop up when the time comes.
	Yeah, well, what time will that be is the question.
	I mean, when one looks at the Getty and that area there, there's just, and as I said, there is constant construction going on.
	People that live in LA and drive by there will know the 405 in that particular area has been ripped up and all kinds of craziness is going on over there.
	You know, Carrie, there's something I should mention here.
	thing.
	It kind of boggles the mind to think of what they are really planning for that particular installation.
	You know, Kerry, there's something I should mention here.
	Now, the book was actually on the street prior to my talking about it at the Alchemy event.
	I know when you put that on your site that 8,000 people went and viewed it really quick.
	But the thing is that it's been now well over a month, at least about maybe two months now since this information has come out.
	I'm waiting.
	I'm waiting for these guys to freak out.
	I mean, I have dumped some of the biggest disclosure on the world here about their museum, and no one has said boo.
	The only thing that has happened is that, as you know, people started trying to dig up dirt on me and have tried to start to smear my name, but no one has come out and said anything about the Getty.
	So these guys are clearly concerned that the word is getting out, and I think that they're hoping it's just going to go away.
	And I believe that up until the time where people are actually going to the museum and confronting people at the museum about the underground base, that they're not going to do anything about it.
	But from what I understand, if you look at the protocols, and you know what I'm talking about, there is a place where they talk about the metropolitans and the undergrounds, and they actually threaten to blow them up, or blow and they actually threaten to blow them up, or blow up the cities located above them, should the mob ever confront them and try to descend upon their facility.
	And the protocols were written 100 years ago, back in the time of the Tsar.
	So these guys know what's going on.
	And I truly believe that if the masses should rise up and try to get access to these undergrounds, that they will destroy the entrance to the undergrounds.
	And I suspect that they actually have a nuclear bomb placed underneath that museum, and should the population of L.A.
	decide that they want to go down there and inspect it, they're going to blow that thing up.
	I don't think they want to do that.
	Yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
	I actually think they don't care anymore.

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