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06/01/2011 Bristol Lyn Pitts and Dr. John Waterman.

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	There is a Jaguar outside my door Stretched out in purring
	Waiting for more.
	Strange heat is done.
	The category.
	No way to escape.
	Terry Cassidy, Project Hamelot Whistleblower Radio, and very happy to be here tonight.
	We have some interesting guests and some sort of a wide variety of topics this evening.
	First of all, we have a person named Bristol Lynn Pitts, if I get the name correct, And he is talking about a sort of seminar that he and I believe his partner are going to be giving.
	And her name is Lynn.
	I don't know if the last name is also Pitts.
	We can check on that.
	And they have come on to the show for the first hour to share some of what they're doing.
	And then on the second hour we have Dr. John Waterman, who many people will be familiar with, and we're going to be talking about the underground economy and different ways to prepare and to also go off the grid in different ways, and to do banking, which should be sort of an interesting topic for many of you out there.
	So, at the moment, let me see, I have two interviews that I've just released on Project Camelot.
	One is with Andrew Collins.
	The title is UFO Abductions and Dimensional Realities.
	And the other is with Antoine Gigal.
	And you can find both of those interviews on both the projectcamelot.org site and myprojectcamelotproductions.com.
	So those were just released earlier today so that should be a lot of fun.
	I shot both of those interviews in South Africa at the Megalithomania Conference and I've got a lot more things coming up in the future to release as soon as we get them edited.
	I believe Wayne Herschel will be next and an excerpt of my talk in Glastonbury Just a part of it, because the filmmakers were unable to capture all of the talk, I guess, due to logistics at the site.
	At any rate, I am happy to welcome Bristol Lynn Pitts and Becoming the Shift, and also Lynn, his partner.
	Are you there, Bristol?
	I am here.
	Lovely.
	And your partner's name is Lynn.
	I'm sorry, I didn't get the last name.
	Believe it or not, her name is Lynn Bristol-Pitt.
	Okay.
	And we are married.
	You are married?
	Yes.
	Okay.
	We adopted each other's first name as our middle name when we got married.
	Okay.
	Okay, great.
	And she goes by another name as well?
	Cesara.
	She's known as Cesara in our workshop.
	And I'm known as B. As B. Okay, great.
	So, actually, you know, you don't have a website, so there's not a lot of information that I have on you.
	And I don't know how I've stumbled on you.
	I simply came across your information.
	Maybe it was emailed to me or something.
	Yes.
	But I thought it looked very interesting.
	It appears to be an approach to the changing times that we're in, and I thought perhaps there was some good information there.
	So I just wanted to give you a chance to kind of come on the show and talk about what you're doing.
	Well, thank you very much.
	One of the reasons we don't have a website is that we began our work in the last century.
	Circumnavigating the globe and working with some guides.
	Our task was to unblock the sacred sites on the planet.
	A bunch of major sacred sites on all five continents.
	So we were traveling around mostly by word of mouth.
	People would find out about us in the different countries.
	And like I said, this all happened before the Internet, when we got started.
	And by the time we got back to the States, the Internet had taken over.
	But our students started coming to us, and we really saw no need for a website.
	In any case, a website requires somebody to keep it up.
	And I just didn't have time.
	In any case, this summer we'll be talking about the coming shift, the ninth wave, etc.
	Your listeners are already very well aware of all of the material that's out there on the shift.
	But we're focusing on the alignment with the Great Central Sun and the Various kinds of energies that will be transmitted through the being who incarnates into the sun, known as the Solar Logos.
	And the Solar Logos is taking an initiation, and as a consequence, the Planetary Logos is also taking an initiation, and that's going to go down the hierarchical chain of initiates and disciples
	And for those that are open to it, I hope to be able to explain to them some of the possibilities that can happen depending on their ray structure.
	And that has to do with the classical seven rays and the different qualities of the rays and how they affect the various vehicles, mental, etheric, astral, You know, causal body, etc.
	Okay, before we continue, would you mind sort of, I don't know, placing your background, giving us a little of your background, and also, I don't know, it sounds a bit like you're working off some of the Alice Bailey work.
	Good for you!
	Good for you, Carrie.
	And, you know, I have studied that myself in the past, and so I think it would help people to be able to sort of, because you're going to use certain jargon that is unique to certain people out there that might be helpful for people.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's also, you know, I'm not going to get into esoteric astrology.
	But there are many different kinds of energy coming into the planet, and there are many different kinds of energy that will be involved in the polar shift as well.
	It's not just a simple magnetic reversal.
	There are energies going in both directions between the poles, and most of them are going to change.
	But not all of them, etc, etc.
	So it is very complex if you get into the weeds of esoteric science.
	That's not really going to be my focus.
	Let me see.
	I was raised in an unusual family in which my parents sent us to a different church every year until we were And then we were supposed to make up our own minds.
	And in the end, I decided to be a Quaker because everybody was quiet.
	Okay, I'm not sure that's a good reason, but continue.
	Right.
	And in the process of sitting there in Quaker mating, I began to have visions.
	And I would explain the visions to the elders and they would all nod and approve and everything.
	And my assumption was that they were seeing the same thing that I was seeing.
	But it wasn't until I was in my twenties that I learned that that wasn't so.
	But they were smart enough not to criticize me.
	So I just kept on on my path and eventually I went through various of the occult schools, the mystic schools, the Rosicrucians, etc.
	And also studied at the Arcade School in New York.
	And I began teaching esoteric science at a certain point, both here and abroad.
	And that led to a certain day that I told my guides I wanted to give the rest of my life to this work.
	And if they could use me, please let me know.
	And that's how they sent me around the world.
	With a group of trained students who knew how to clear the black magic from the sites on the planet that had been placed there way back in Atlantis.
	And we did that.
	And well, since I have been going around to the various places, power grids, etc., myself, I have to say that this work is not done.
	No, you're not.
	But certainly myself and many other people are still working in that direction.
	Absolutely.
	And could I ask if Lynn would also give a bit of her background?
	Yeah, Carrie, thank you.
	In terms of my specific training, I have a clinical degree in social work, a master's in social work, Public administration.
	Then I moved into psychodrama, which is, maybe you know that.
	I don't know.
	It's an action.
	Yes.
	And if you could back up a little bit from the phone, just so there's no static on the line.
	Go ahead.
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	And as I've been working with people over the past 35 years, I guess I've been trying to, I began working Maybe emotional and mental.
	And then I moved into physical and then into more spiritual work.
	Using, you know, the full range of tools that we all have on the planet.
	But what I think I gained when I met my husband in the mid-80s was a much more clear and direct connection with spirit.
	And in the work that we've done together, my role is really to
	Bring through what exactly the individuals at a particular conference need to accomplish and to assist in helping with the focus that we will take as a group and what the individuals might be wanting to get out of that from them and then assisting those people in making their own contacts if they aren't doing that already and helping to bring the
	Greater plans for the planet forward.
	And I use my psychodrama skills to offer different kinds of experiential experiences on all different levels to anchor, excuse me, either a greater understanding or a lot of what we're doing now is trying to emanate
	greater spirit being role that they're trying to play on the planet to try to emanate that out to the parts of humanity that are less aware and less conscious than we and those listening to us right now are.
	So that's probably my major role.
	Alright, well thank you.
	So for both of you, at this juncture, I understand you, you know, I like the title of your seminar are becoming the shift.
	I thought that the sort of attitude implied there in that was not only co-creative but also The idea that we are the shift ourselves and I think that, you know, I am of the point of view that people need to own and take, you know, full part and responsibility for what's going on on the planet at this time and something and the changes that they are able to to bring to the fore too.
	And so I'm wondering if, you know, because you guys are here and you are sort of representing I guess an ongoing type of seminar series.
	Could you discuss, if somebody wanted to consider going to your series, what it is you would bring along to them or whatever?
	Well, the series are, you could say they're channeled.
	We don't actually prepare anything.
	We'll give us an idea of some of the topics that they would like to address and then depending on who's there and what the questions are, we will respond with whatever would be most helpful to that person or to the group.
	But at the moment there's a lot of awareness amongst seekers, as we used to call them, and so it's possible to speak to the shift in general, and to discuss some of the things that aspirants or disciples might be encountering as the consequence of the energies flowing through the Logoi and to discuss some of the things that aspirants or disciples might be encountering as the
	I mean, everybody will experience something, but they'll experience it in terms of their own race structure, as I was talking about earlier, their own mental, emotional, and physical characteristics. emotional, and physical characteristics.
	6th.
	But at some point, all of the things that we have become dependent upon, To define our reality, boil down to whatever it is that we've been able to experience through the senses.
	And at a certain point when all of the energies reverse, when the polar shift happens, when the energies reverse at the planetary level, they'll also reverse at the cellular level.
	Every single cell has its own Electromagnetic field and so on and so forth.
	And at that point, how people interpret that experience of their senses not telling them where they are will determine the kind of choices they make in that moment or in that particular situation of stress.
	Now, some people are already really undergoing stress.
	Around the world, I mean, here in America, we consider a tornado or something a problem, but most of the people in the world are really suffering in far greater numbers and on different levels.
	In America, it's physical and economic.
	Okay, sorry, sorry.
	We're going to be interrupted here by a commercial.
	I hope you don't mind.
	And we will be right back talking to Bristol Lynn Pitts and Lynn Bristol Pitts, I believe.
	Okay, we'll be right back.
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	To Lou Pitts.
	Bristol and Lynn Pitts.
	Okay, so, uh, sorry, it's, uh, We're working with a lot of reflection.
	that are actually three syllables and reversed for the one and the other.
	We're working with the law of reflection, yeah.
	We accept each other as a reflection of our inner being.
	I see that.
	Okay.
	And that's wonderful.
	Just a bit of a tongue twister.
	Anyway, so to get back to where you were speaking right before the interruption of the commercial, could you pick up there?
	You were basically talking about how you would be, I guess, addressing to some degree the people that would participate in this kind of seminar, and I actually, you know, we haven't really talked about the structure of it at any rate.
	It sounds as though you are doing channeling, though, and you're waiting for information from the people that you, or entities that you're channeling to kind of give you guidance during the sessions that you're doing.
	Is that correct?
	During and before we do get information regarding who's coming and what we need to address.
	But I would like to say that most of us when we're in a pretty calm space can deal with Oneness Consciousness in our own ways and can deal with opening our soul and our heart to what's needed.
	What we're really stressing at this point is how do you stay in that kind of space when your own vibration is going crazy, when you're The world around you is kind of crumbling when you're finding all kinds of new situations occurring in society.
	And we spend a lot of time in what we have called in the past decade or two, living in light, but it's about how do you go about moving through, pushing yourself beyond your own limits and staying in your heart and soul while that's happening.
	And so we have a combination of classes and exercises and different work events that we do together and so on to kind of prepare ourselves for these changes that are happening as the, as some people call it, the ascension process within ourselves and within our group and within the planetary body is happening.
	And so we're really focusing on that at this time because a lot of these changes are pretty can be pretty traumatic for some of us, and fear doesn't really help much.
	Absolutely.
	And I think that many people out there would find that valuable at this time, because people are being, let's say, pushed to the ends of their maybe coping ability, at least in the material 3D sense pushed to the ends of their maybe coping ability, at least in And it is good for them to also, for some of them, perhaps finding it very useful to be able to...
	Bring their sort of spiritual awareness into their everyday life in a more tangible way so that they can cope.
	Right.
	You know, sort of in a sense, with a sense of wholeness.
	It's not really a cookie cutter rule book.
	It really is individual, depending on the lessons, life lessons and the kind of experience that each one has come to engage in, in this earth school.
	And that's why it's really helpful when we know who's coming that their guides come forward and assist us in communicating with them or assist them in the end in receiving the communication about our next steps ahead and how to deal with their lower self reactions that are occurring.
	Okay, now you both are talking about what appears to be a polar shift.
	Not sure if you're talking magnetic or you're talking, you know, a physical shift of the poles.
	We, as Camelot, have been told by various people, also from the military-industrial complex, the black projects and so on, that there may be both, actually.
	Yeah.
	And I'm wondering what it is you're perceiving.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It is both.
	And there are different Okay, and do you have a timing that you're looking at?
	It's almost like a piano, different octaves of these vibratory changes that are occurring.
	It's not just like one or another, you know, electricity or electromagnetics.
	There are different grades on all levels of that.
	Okay, and do you have a timing that you're looking at?
	Well, it's, you know, again, it's not cookie cutters, my wife said.
	Uh, Thank you.
	Certain people have the karma to begin, experience.
	You know, Tom and Judy Kenyon, of their Hathor transmission, did a very useful analogy with perceptual markers.
	That is to say, everything that we're accustomed to in the physical world and have locked on to with our identity has connected through our senses to these things.
	And then when our senses tell us that the world is not there, like at this Joplin thing, somebody was on television saying they went down the main street and they were looking for their friend's house and they didn't know where to turn anymore because The streets were gone, the houses were gone, there were no perceptual markers to tell them where they were in terms of their customary identity.
	Now that's the problem that you face and it depends on your own stage of aspiration or discipleship or initiation.
	When those experiences will hit you and How they will be configured for your own particular Ray type.
	Obviously, the more a person is already capable of living in the self or in the higher self, in the now, the less impact they are going to be experiencing early on.
	Although it may result in initiation for many people when it finally does reach their vibratory Achilles heel you could say.
	Okay, are you both aware of Stargates and have you wrapped any of that into your sort of preparation information?
	I don't know any particular Stargate.
	I mean, the word is used a lot, but I don't know what you're referring to exactly.
	Okay.
	Well, some people would call them Ascension Gateways or Portals.
	Oh, yes.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So, you know, and I'm actually talking that they also could be, they're located in certain places around the planet and these places can be used as gateways by, you know, initiates Who are able to match vibrations with these places.
	And I just wondered whether or not you, you know, are you pretty much allow, you know, allowing the people to kind of come upon them on their own?
	or are you sort of focusing on certain ones?
	Again, the Stargate is vibratory dependent on the person that's approaching it or entering it.
	Right.
	The force field.
	And that's beyond our scope.
	Apart from announcing that these things exist, if a person wants to know, we can always ask their guides what would be an appropriate way for them to approach that potential.
	But for some people it's not really even appropriate.
	Their karma is to Bail water out of the boat, you know.
	You never know what it is.
	Sure.
	In space, you know, it's really outside of space and time.
	So, sometimes identifying with time and space is really helpful as the steps ahead.
	But ultimately, when you're moving into the now, really into the now, that can happen any space, any time.
	Totally dependent on geography.
	Yeah, location, although when you are in the now you may be extremely well guided to be in a particular vibratory field and that's, you know, completely appropriate also.
	Yeah.
	You know, but it's about letting go of the identity of, you know, I need to be here for the spaceship and I need to be there for the... it's a little bit... we're kind of moving a little bit beyond that.
	Although those steps are also significant sometimes for people to use as markers, as Pete was saying, to transition of identity from this kind of third dimension up into the fifth dimension, which is where things could be going rather rapidly now.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	And I hear what you're saying.
	I mean, you don't find a master that needs to go to a Stargate necessarily.
	And we are all masters.
	It's about remembering who we are, you know?
	Yes and no.
	It depends how you view this earth, the 3D earth, you know, energetics, I guess, and grid lines and all of that.
	But, you know, I think that there is a sense that people will be drawn to certain places and that because of that there is A facilitation or an opening that is kind of like a dialogue between you and the physical realities and dimensions out there.
	So, true, they could stay in one place and go from there.
	On the other hand, they could also be drawn Just because of the ease of the energetics in that way.
	Correct.
	And also the reinforcement or the electromagnetic morphogenic field that gets generated by all of the individuals that have also entered that space.
	Yes.
	Very helpful.
	Yes.
	And also, you know, by virtue of It's a moving target so to speak because I also think that there may be people that at this time are being drawn to certain places that may eventually end up to be places where sort of vortexes or whatever are going to be created or already exist.
	I believe that's true.
	And so on.
	So in terms of What you see maybe in the immediate future, I don't know if you guys have heard a lot of the talk out there in regard to LNN, what they're calling LNN, and there are different points of view in that regard, and there's also a lot of sort of subterfuge going on as you can appreciate.
	Yeah.
	So if you'd like, if you feel it appropriate, you want to give, you know, your take on what all of that is about, I've gotten various information in that regard.
	Let me say it's like a honey trap for any deep-seated doubts or fears, and shall we say the forces of darkness are going to capitalize on it, whatever it is, to generate Distraction from the high self, shall we say?
	And the first thing that we do, in fact, as a result of clearing sacred sites, one of the things we were introduced to very early on was that sacred sites that had been closed with black magic are crawling with entities.
	And we began training very early on how to remove the entities safely.
	And then that moved naturally over the years into recognizing that every person is a sacred site and we need to remove those entities too.
	Well, what happens in these kinds of cosmic events that are beyond touch, taste, and feel, etc., it's an opportunity for these inner conscious fragments it's an opportunity for these inner conscious fragments or reptiles or whatever it is that people may have taken on in this life or another to distract the person from the business
	that they're here to do, which is to become the shift and move into the higher dimensions.
	So that's the number one problem is getting a person clear enough to Just look at what is and be at peace with whatever it is without their subconscious forces tearing them apart.
	Am I making sense?
	Yes, although I think we're going to have to revisit this after the commercial.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we are having some technical difficulties according to some of the people writing in to me at this moment.
	I just wanted to make people aware of it.
	From what I understand, some people are having trouble connecting to the site, the American Freedom Radio I guess player in order to stream the show.
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	Yeah, yeah.
	Okay, very good.
	So actually, we have about 15 minutes here left.
	And you were saying something prior to the commercial again, which was, I think, a little bit maybe unclear.
	And I was wondering if you could sort of Encapsulate that for people so that we can get whatever point across that you were trying to make.
	But in essence, you were, I believe, answering my question in regard to Ellen and some of the things like that.
	Well, you know, it's kind of like California breaking off and going into the sea.
	Now that will probably never happen at this point because of certain free will choices that have been made.
	Although, we can't guarantee it.
	Nevertheless, it's a wake-up call.
	The idea of it is a threat to a certain constituency that has had experiences of inundation or sinking in ships or whatever.
	There's also a certain number of people on the planet that have had Their spaceships go down when they had lives on other planets.
	And it depends on who you are and where you're from, how you're going to respond to something entering your space.
	Whether it's, you know, Archons or Nibirus or whatever, there is the threat.
	Some people actually remember objects coming out of space and meteorites The point from our point of view is becoming the shift has to do with being rather than doing.
	Being rather than reacting per se.
	So the point from our point of view is becoming the shift has to do with being rather than doing, being rather than reacting per being rather than reacting per se.
	So the important thing is how are you, where are you with your being in terms of whatever it is that's occurring, whether California is breaking off into the ocean or whether Elinan is approaching your city?
	I...
	You know the story of the Zen Master that was chased off a cliff by a lion and as he went over the cliff he saw a strawberry and he said, mmm, and he ate the strawberry and he was delighted as he fell to his death.
	The question is, can you stay in that state of being regardless of what it is that's coming, or whatever moves you have to make in the physical plane in order to optimize your usefulness?
	Okay, well thank you for that very graphic analysis.
	I think an example of zen-ness, so to speak.
	Well, I think that will be an interesting thing for people to sort of meditate on.
	But at any rate, I appreciate the thought and I think staying centered might be Another sort of simpler way of saying a similar thing, certainly.
	And I think it's very good advice, actually.
	Personally, I think it's good advice because I think that there is a tendency at this time for people to begin kind of chasing their tails, if you will.
	Yeah.
	With all the distractions that are out there regardless of whether it's an earth change or something much less of much less portent so to speak like running out of gas or you know whatever it happens to be something you know on a smaller scale but it's interesting how some of those things are
	Richter scale in a person's life, regardless of how much less important they are.
	And that, at least for me, became very evident during the Japanese earthquake and tsunami, and then volcano, and then meltdown.
	Say more about that.
	What happened to you?
	There's a smorgasbord of, you know, sort of cataclysms, pick your cataclysms, so to speak, that happened all at once during that.
	And then in my case, I was actually at a megalithomania in South Africa in a very beautiful setting with some lovely people and so on and so forth.
	And it was just a very interesting, I guess, You know, experience to see those two simultaneous realities happening.
	Right.
	And I think we sometimes don't realize that that's going on every single day, every second of every single day anyway.
	And you can also choose your reality in some ways, despite what it looks like it's right there in your face.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And it's how you deal with it.
	So, you know, in other words, and this is kind of something I talk about, but I wonder if you guys also talk about it, is the idea that Not only you can choose your reality, but that we have been choosing it.
	And in fact, you know, in essence, we're all quite telepathic, and we also all have access to seeing elements of the future.
	And so, in that instance, you know, people are choosing to experience certain things while they're here on Earth.
	That's right.
	I think the major shift that we're I don't know.
	The main thing that's going to happen is it's kind of like rearranging Lagunas.
	When you lose your five senses, in whatever order, you know, your example of Japan was a good one.
	When your world just doesn't compute anymore, you have a choice also to go
	to a higher level in which you sacrifice your sense of isolation and you become one with a, I don't know, a larger being or a larger heart and in effect that presages the golden age in which people are
	are becoming group disciples as opposed to individual disciples, because they are living in that state of oneness, in a higher state of oneness that is not circumscribed by an identity based on the five senses.
	I think that's the really new thing that the Galactic Confederation wants to impress upon us, because they are also interested in connecting with us.
	However, they're not here to rescue us, so to speak.
	We have to get into that space ourselves first before they can really connect to us.
	In a way, we have to at one with them.
	Well, along those lines, I wonder if you want to discuss, although there's hardly enough time to do it justice, first of all, the nature of the fourth dimension that the planet's moving through at this time, and also the idea of the fact that the Galactic Confederation, as you're calling it, is not the same thing as the Galactic Federation.
	Right.
	Right.
	There are different confederations out there.
	There are many different civilizations.
	How can I say it?
	A lot of them are not going to be affected by what's happening because they're not going to have the alignment.
	This accident of alignment, you could call it that.
	That is going to enable humanity to make a leap forward in terms of the darkness in all of the civilizations.
	So in a sense, we're going to become leaders in mitigating or impacting the darkness that does exist in the other civilizations.
	And that's the interest of the Confederation, is to find Those who are capable of at-one-ing with the others in the other civilizations that are struggling to bring, I guess what you would call peace and justice on the street, to these other planets and struggle.
	So.
	The beings that have developed enough compassion for other, what we call other, to be able to at-one with the other situations on other planets.
	The Galactic Confederation that we're working with is looking for how various disciples respond to what's happening so they can pick out leaders.
	Okay, I'm sorry, we are actually at the end of this portion of the show.
	I want to thank you both very much for coming on.
	It's been delightful to have you.
	I can't tell you to give your website because that's not possible.
	I have put a link to how to contact you on the email on the site.
	So feel free to keep in touch and if there's anything I can do to help you guys out, let me know.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	It's been a delight.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	Nice to meet you.
	Yeah.
	Nice to meet you as well.
	Take care.
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	And we are now going to change gears a bit.
	We just spoke with a couple about becoming The Shift and I encourage people that didn't hear the first hour to actually go to the archive and listen to it at a later time.
	A very interesting couple, Bristol Lynn Pitts and Lynn Bristol Pitts as they have named themselves.
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	But at this moment we have Dr. John Waterman with us and he will be very familiar to many of my listeners.
	Dr. Waterman, are you there?
	I'm here.
	Hi, Geri.
	Hi there.
	So we have concocted this hour to discuss what we call the underground economy.
	And there's no one better, really, to talk to in this regard than yourself.
	Dr. Waterman, and what I'd like you to do is kind of maybe talk about various things that you think people should be aware of in terms of preparing, and I know that you have places where people can buy things like freeze-dried foods and various things, as well as this idea of the banking, sort of off-grid banking.
	I don't know how else to refer to it.
	Well, it's because we've been so brainwashed with a one banking system.
	It's kind of like the boringness game in town is actually the most devastating.
	Kerry, I can't state this enough.
	We're in an economic war.
	And this war is no different than bullets that are being shot at us.
	And I say that in a serious Is a heartbeat statement.
	Anytime we, well, when we grew up, Kerry, we grew up, maybe you didn't, I did, thinking that war was a John Wayne movie.
	Bullets were flying, guys were in ditches, had helmets on, and that's kind of how we, I think, view war today.
	But we forget What war is from?
	Now, let's just go to what they say war is, okay?
	Not what it really could be.
	Conspired behind the scenes to do certain things.
	But let's assume this definition of war.
	That somebody wants something you've got, but they're really not willing to give it to you for any reason.
	They don't want to trade it.
	They don't want to sell it that's theirs.
	Maybe it was a painting.
	Don't want to sell it.
	They don't want to give it away.
	The only way to get that painting after that point is to take it against their will.
	And so what war is, is taking things from somebody else against their will.
	And I think that's a good definition of war.
	Now, whether we use bullets or butter or money to do that is immaterial.
	And so what's the consequences of being in war?
	Any kind of war.
	Bullets.
	Money.
	It's all about losing something of value to you.
	And that's what's happening to us, Carrie.
	How many people do you know, Carrie, that are just hand-to-mouth broke?
	I mean...
	No savings, no assets, nothing.
	Now, as you already, you and I have talked off air, I have access to a lot of information about people in this country that don't live that way.
	You know, they have millions and millions of dollars in assets, constantly.
	Going into these investment companies, where they have connections because they know what the next move, so to speak, is going to be.
	And I don't mean the move on Wall Street.
	I mean insider stuff, and it's all insider.
	But anyway, the whole point is, Kerry, the direction that the Federal Reserve, which is the central bank for the United States, which also happens to be The world reserve currency means everything's pegged on the dollar.
	Where it's taken us is into poverty.
	We should be at this point, Kerry, once a family has Matured and the mothers and fathers have older, grown and away from home families.
	All these assets shouldn't be poof, gone.
	They should be rolled into the families and assets continued.
	Now we have growth, but growth they say, well, it's going to put a lot of drain on it.
	No, growth is good.
	If you don't have people growth, At this point, with central banking, you're going to lose.
	But the bottom line is this.
	What has happened through central banking is that slowly but surely, the nation's wealth has been ripped away.
	And there's all kinds of problems with the central banks, as we all know.
	We have a business here.
	It's a private Corporation that's been charged with supposedly protecting our financial, or I should say not financial, but our nation's economic wealth.
	And it touches every one of us, Kerry, because everybody has a Federal Reserve note in their pocket.
	You think you might own that money and that it's yours, but you can't own it.
	You never will own it.
	And it isn't yours.
	In fact, if you burn it or destroy it, you can get in trouble.
	It's against the law.
	So it's borrowed.
	It's a note.
	It's not gold.
	It's not silver.
	If I were, Kerry, to go trade with you for gold or silver, we would have something exchange that has probably some value.
	I don't know what I'd be selling you, but if you were giving me gold or silver, that's a commodity I value.
	And there isn't anything on it saying, note, what it's worth is what it's worth, and whatever it's worth is all it's worth.
	I know that sounds redundant, but it's not a note.
	It's not a debt.
	I don't get a piece of paper.
	Right.
	Okay?
	So, what we're talking about here is something kind of new to people.
	And what it is, is not going out and saying, stop the Fed, end the Fed, stop the Fed, all that energy.
	If we put all those marches and all those demonstrations and all those sign-making into an underground economy, We'd all be wealthy.
	That's the basis of this new movement.
	It's not getting rid of the Fed.
	It's putting something in parallel to it, right alongside of it.
	And it's going to collide.
	I'll tell you right now, Kerry, I may not be alive when this happens, but here's what's going to happen in the coming.
	We're going to have some hard times first, but coming is a time when it's going to be gone.
	And it's going to be gone.
	Well, go ahead.
	But, yeah, thank you for that.
	I would like you to make this segue, and I know you're on your way there, but simply because, unfortunately, we've only got, you know, less than an hour with you here today.
	And, you know, there are a lot of people online listening to this that will be up to speed to some degree, but I don't know if they're up to speed as far as you are.
	You know what I'm saying?
	So what I want to do is kind of leap ahead and deal with, as quickly as possible, the nuts and bolts of the fact that, okay, Knowing that we need to have an underground economy and knowing that there is one in operation and that it's actually doing quite well at the moment, maybe you could describe that underground economy a bit and then also talk to people about how to get involved.
	The underground economy is an economy that doesn't use the central banks.
	Period.
	In other words, it won't be using this thing called Federal Reserve Notes.
	That's kind of scary to people.
	But there are ways to convert back into Federal Reserve notes.
	For example, I've got freeze-dried food and one of the fellas in the underground economy wanted to pay me for it.
	And anytime somebody wants, you know, to get some, there's a way to pay for it without using Federal Reserve notes.
	Now, what's happening is this, Kerry.
	Everybody in their own little community That's real easy to do and have a community script or community currency.
	We can have one where, you know, everybody's, you know, able to exchange with each other.
	Now, there's some pretty famous ones that have been going for quite some time that even the nation of China has inspected and sent officials over.
	One of them is called the Ithaca Hour.
	They called it an hour because they pegged it against the $10 bill, saying, I want to make the minimum wage $10.
	That was like 12, 15 years ago.
	We have the Berkshire Bucks, but it's not just a U.S.
	phenomena.
	It's worldwide.
	We have the Berlin money.
	Berlin, Germany has some.
	Every western culture has a region where they have the script.
	But that doesn't solve the problem, Kerry, of California trading with somebody in the Ozarks.
	Does it?
	It's too far.
	So, what is it then that banks were able to do that script and underground economies had trouble doing?
	They had trouble transferring that money back and forth.
	And so with today's Internet and with our ground crews to put together a trading platform that's open source, in other words, you all that are interested in knowing what open source is, that means you can see all the code, you can see whether there's a backdoor to it.
	But anyway, that code Is, um, or that program is put on a server.
	Of course, you know, it's good to have backup and redundant servers, which there is.
	And now we can actually do what the Federal Reserve does, which they don't want any of us to do, because this is competition and they know that they're going to fail.
	And the reason why, Perry, is because we're fed up with them.
	We're absolutely fed up with them.
	And we have figured out they're the reason why we're broke.
	They're the reason why we have, you know, well, all the problems that we've got in America as far as our liberties are gone.
	And so what ends up happening is that now we can go around them and we can trade from one community, like in California, to the East Coast because there's internet and there are places to go.
	Now there's two ways to look at this.
	One of them is you trade in your own community.
	Or you trade inter-community.
	Now, the only way that I can explain this is pretend like you're in a four-state region.
	But not here in America.
	Let's go to Europe, where there's four countries that come together.
	And each little country has a little town real close to that corner.
	And in each one of these towns, there's all kinds of merchants.
	Now, let's say there's four different kinds of countries, plus we've got the Euro, so we've got four different kinds of national currencies.
	It might be the Swiss Franc, the German Mark, the British Pound, and so forth.
	They might be so close together, though, that each of the merchants is used to taking other currencies.
	But not every merchant in every one of the towns is going to do that, because each merchant can take the kind of currency they want.
	Now, if they're in their own country, they most likely will take their own currency.
	But that's not even guaranteed anymore, Kerry, because if you go to New York, there are some places that won't take American dollars for high-end European furniture that are antiques.
	Because they can't buy it with American dollars anymore.
	So, we're getting to the point where we're like Europe, where we see several currencies as a potential for use.
	Those currencies come on the Internet, and they are also hard currencies.
	In other words, some of them will be representing gold, some will be representing silver, which are hard, And they're, you know, made into a currency and defined as different kinds of values.
	And so that's where we kind of begin to look at the picture.
	How do you trade around four jurisdictions in four countries with four different currencies and then there's one big one called the Euro?
	Well, just pretend like it's America and that's the dollar or it's the world and that's the dollar called the Euro.
	Well, What we're doing is saying, everybody in this country has the right, and still does, to trade for anything.
	In other words, these currencies might represent gold, or they might be gold.
	They might be silver.
	They might even be coffee.
	Or they might be food.
	And we have a right to accept them as payment.
	In other words, trade.
	But what we've always had problems with is having a place to do that.
	So now what's popped up are these markets.
	One of them is called Loom, and you can go to loom.cc.
	You can also find out how to get into this thing.
	And the reason, by the way, Kerry, that it's called Loom is it's kind of like weaving currencies together.
	It's not a place to find people to trade.
	It's a place.
	It's a tool.
	It's an electronic trading system, much like the Federal Reserve's bank center.
	It's an electronic data system.
	Where currencies are moved back and forth.
	That's what this is.
	Okay, yeah, now loom is l-o-o-m dot cc?
	Right, right.
	Okay, so the people, I'm typing it in the chat here for the people that are on chat.
	And that's the name of the website, correct?
	That's where you would go.
	Now, you'll notice you just can't go there to loom.cc and get in.
	It says, Welcome to Loom.
	But someone has to invite you.
	Now, that's kind of a long story.
	It's an interview all on its own about why people are invited, okay?
	But here's what's really important.
	When you go to loom.cc, You're entering a place where you can exchange with people something of value.
	And you get to pick, Carrie, what that is.
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	This is Carrie Cassidy, Project Hamelot.
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	And we're talking to Dr. John Waterman about the underground economy and this new sort of website approach, which in this case is called loom.cc.
	And I'm also pasting into the chat a couple other URLs that he's talking about.
	Dr. Waterman, are you there?
	I am here.
	Great.
	What I can recommend to get your mind around what's going on with Loom is that there are several people that have offered to help people understand, well, give them a tool to trade.
	But to understand how to use this tool, you can go to that link on loom.cc that's called News.
	If you see it there, it says News.
	And you'll see on there that there's a Loom for Dummies radio broadcast.
	There's exchangers, new exchangers.
	There's some more interviews there with myself.
	But what this does, what Loom does is it helps you and I send money to each other.
	Currency back and forth.
	Electronically.
	And it's literally your money.
	And these aren't fake There is different kinds of currencies in this system and different kinds of things that are offered as a currency.
	And, of course, the most popular one is gold and silver.
	And there are several groups out there that you can exchange your Federal Reserve notes for gold or silver that will go into and can get entered into the loom system.
	So, for example, if you go to gsfsystem.ch, which I sent you the link of, and that is one of the places where you can go to it and learn a little bit about this alternative underground and that is one of the places where you can go to it and learn a little bit about this
	Actually, just pretend like Kerry, for example, we're still back in the cowboy days where the cowboy goes up and throws a silver dollar on the counter, gets him a beer or whatever he gets.
	Well, and it goes into the tater and gets him some shoes and a belt and a suit and everything, gives him a $20 gold piece.
	What we're doing is we're going into a period where all of a sudden computers get entered into the cowboy days where there's gold and silver and they'd like to be able to trade with New York from San Francisco but they can't do it.
	So what they do is there's people, private Companies, private places, whose reputation is based on holding this gold and silver that gets assigned to be traded on something called loom.
	And by the way, Kerry, there are other loom locations.
	There's not just this one.
	There's one called Pork Loom.
	Pork Loom happens to be If you are familiar with the Free Staters in New Hampshire, which is a pretty, well, they're geopolitically oriented toward the libertarian viewpoint.
	And Pork Loom has a loom-based system.
	Loom is kind of a generic name for it now, kind of like we call all tissues Kleenex.
	So loom is popped up everywhere.
	Different groups are using Loom to trade with.
	So, some groups that you want to trade with, you might find more people in one corner of that four-state region you'd rather trade with than another.
	But you're going to have to go to those four regions.
	But that doesn't mean you have to travel to those four corners.
	You just get on the computer and go to four different locations on the Internet and get into different Loom systems.
	But, here's the deal.
	Where do you put your money?
	Well, they go, well, it's going to cost me money.
	No, it's not costing us money.
	It doesn't cost us any money.
	That's the whole nature of this, is because it's not costing you.
	You're going to pay a fee to transfer stuff.
	That's it.
	When you put money in it, you've not lost your $100 or $200 or $500 or whatever you put in it.
	It's like walking down to your local bank And then pulling out your credit card and paying you like a donation to Project Camelot with the card.
	It just got electronically transferred.
	Well, you take your money, you go to one of these groups, and you put it either in your choice of currencies.
	It can be a silver, and there are tons of different kinds of silver currencies, of which I have a list of, and so is also available when you get into Loom, you will see the different currencies.
	Each one of the Loom systems is is using.
	Some use others.
	Some use them all.
	Some use part of them.
	It just depends on who's there.
	And so to get into Loom, one of the things that you can do, for example, is go to another one called Loom Market, and it's an invitation there.
	There's a way to get in.
	I gave you the link there.
	And you can go to Loom Market, and it tells a step-by-step process of how you can get in there.
	Now, I've been giving people invitations also to get into Loom.
	And I do a lot, I've been doing a lot of group presentations, three or four I should say at a time, more than likely would be not a group, but it is more than one.
	To understand what it's about so they can help others get into Loom.
	And so that's the key, is to get people into this system so that we can exchange with gold and silver.
	Now the units of some of these currencies is pretty common amounts.
	A $4.50, about $4.50 is the price of gold right now.
	A global is a unit of gold that is becoming very popular.
	It's about, well, it broke it down into about $4, about what it costs to buy a sandwich.
	And so the gold currency has been broken into a very common denominator, and it's becoming very popular, and that one's called global.
	The one for silver is called, not a global, but an isle, or an island.
	I-L, I-S-L-E.
	And so these are the two units in gold and silver from one of the currency providers.
	And trust me, Kerry, these are real gold and currency warehouses, and they lock this stuff up, and these are professionals that have had these warehouses for a long time.
	A long time.
	Now, another way to get into the system, by the way, Is to go to goldnow.st.
	And if you go to goldnow.st, you will get an opportunity to go into one of the private banking groups.
	And what can happen with, let me get, let me get it up here so I can kind of guide you guys through it.
	And what you'll see is it becomes Uh, uh, HTTPS, uh, secured site, just like you would if you're going into your own bank.
	And this is a private bank.
	Gold now is a private bank.
	It's just like going into, oh, you know, well, it's safer than going into Chase Manhattan or Bank of America.
	And you can put money into Gold Now Bank and you can denominate it.
	And if you've ever traveled internationally or lived internationally, you don't want to put some of your money that you've got, lots of it anyway, into the... a long time ago, you used to not want to go to like Central America and put it into the limp year money of Honduras or any of the others because it would just vaporize.
	It would just Because of inflation, it would just go away.
	So you wanted to keep it in some kind of denomination that kept it there and kept, you know, your wealth there.
	Well, that's not the dollar anymore.
	That happens to be, it's more important to put it in gold and silver.
	Everybody goes, well, gold and silver is going up and down, and I saw it went to 50 and it dropped.
	No, that's the dollar going up and down.
	The price of gold and what it'll get you will get the same thing.
	If you compare what it costs to get, say, the same amount of coffee with silver, it'll always be the same pretty much all the time.
	Anywhere in the world.
	Same with gold.
	Now the point that this bank, and by the way, Kerry, just to give the listeners some kind of idea how big this is, this one bank, private bank here, It almost has 200,000 customers worldwide.
	So we're not talking about neighborhoods of, you know, a thousand people.
	We're talking hundreds of thousands of people are in this economy and they can move it in.
	You can go into Loom.
	You can deal with this person and their currency.
	You can deal with them in your own currency from another, well, a currency you've chosen from another Currency opportunity, like another gold or silver one, or even coffee.
	And you can make these offers.
	It's like walking up to a counter, Kerry, and having to put into the computer the culture that we're used to.
	We go up to a store counter, we put our money down, the cashier picks it up, puts it in the cash register, gives you change.
	That whole exchange has some cultural Significance.
	In other words, I don't go up to the cash, up to the counter, jump over the counter, hit the cash register and stick my money in the cash register.
	I'm likely today to get shot doing that.
	But what we have to do is have that same kind of expectations in what we call this system called loom in the underground economy.
	We make the offer for so much, We were dealing with somebody and we make the offer.
	It's sitting on the table.
	It actually says offer on the table.
	They have to accept it.
	And if they say, well, I don't want, you know, coffee.
	I want silver.
	Well, then maybe you can go ahead and payment silver.
	You can get this all transferred around into different kinds of currencies.
	In other words, you can put your money into a different kind of currency that will hold up to the test of time.
	Even if you just live hand-to-mouth, you spend all the money you make in a month's time, if you denominate it in something like this, it will actually hold value over a longer period of time.
	You'll have more money.
	But that's not the point.
	The point here Is that we don't have to use Federal Reserve notes.
	Okay.
	Everybody's had trouble with that part.
	Okay.
	Well, thank you for all of that.
	And let me tell everyone listening that we are going to be starting an area of our website, the Camelot Forum, that Dr. Waterman is going to be the consultant, the consulting expert, if you will, in regard to what we're going to call the underground economy portion of the website.
	And there will be all different aspects to that including, you know, growing your own food and also purchasing food from various websites and so on so forth and or getting involved in the slum situation and a lot of other things.
	So he's, you know, although he's only here for a short time tonight, he has his own radio show as well.
	I'm not sure, do you have two radio shows now?
	I have the Health on Thursday, I have the Waterman Files on Friday, and I also have Waterman Files on Thursday on this radio.
	Okay, so people can basically get more information from you all the time on this subject, but at the moment we have a number of questions coming through from the chat room, and so what I'd like to do is run some of those by you, and then if you want to augment your answers with some other aspects of what we're talking about here, you can feel free to do that.
	Now, one person is saying, Carrie, is he concerned about the future U.S.
	government suppression of this activity?
	You cut out, Carrie.
	Say that again.
	They're asking if you are concerned about the future of the U.S.
	government suppression of this activity.
	Hello, are you there, Carrie?
	Yeah, you can't hear me?
	Oh, there you are.
	Okay, you cut out for about 30 seconds.
	And you were getting ready to ask me a question from the chat room.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Tell me if you can hear this.
	I'm reading it again.
	I think they want to know if you you feel that there is the future US government may be suppressing this activity in the future.
	Well, they've always, not the U.S.
	government, the Federal Reserve will try to make the government kowtow to their wishes.
	And yeah, they've constantly tried to, but they're not going to be able to stop normal trade.
	And folks, this is why we're having rebellion and revolutions all over the world.
	Is this kind of shenanigans and illegal stopping us from doing whatever we want?
	I mean, when are they going to say we can't trade coffee for something that I've painted or made or, you know, whatever?
	The point is this, it's beyond stopping at this point.
	They're not going to be able to stop it.
	It's a big enough snowball going downhill.
	In fact, Utah just passed a law saying gold and silver is currency.
	It is rightful currency.
	You can go to Utah and just deal in gold and silver now.
	Oh, that's great to hear.
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	Okay, this is Carrie Cassidy, Project Camelot, Whistleblower Radio, and we're talking to Dr. John Waterman about the underground economy, and we're just starting to take some questions from the chat.
	Dr. Waterman, are you there?
	Yeah, I'm still here.
	Okay, great.
	So, go right ahead.
	I was just going to say, they're already made attempts to try and do this several times to keep people from having access to it.
	It happened many years ago with the Hunt family.
	Everybody still thinks of the Hunt family trying to corner the silver market in order to make a lot of money and cause silver to go up.
	At that point in time, if you recall, Kerry, silver went up real high, if you recall.
	Well, what people don't know is that the Federal Reserve was found guilty of conspiring to break the Hunt family.
	I've got a whole, I could give you a whole hour on what was really going on because I talked to the Hunts.
	Now, the problem is that, yeah, any Attempt to do anything to get rid of the Federal Reserve might get kind of nasty.
	It won't be nasty for the participants.
	It could be nasty for the leadership.
	And so that's one other reason why another nation has been brought in to help this whole effort in the first place.
	Because this is serious business, and the Federal Reserve doesn't play like you and I do.
	They don't consider a problem knocking somebody off, killing them, assassinating them, or anything, or causing them to go broke, or calling all the notes into somebody that's involved, or causing personal problems with your business.
	If you happen to be a businessman, you're in the leadership issue.
	Okay, but what other country was brought in?
	What do you mean by that?
	Well, I can't tell you, but I can tell you this, because we don't want to mess that up right now.
	It's a country that got mad at the Federal Reserve and the central banking, and a country that pulled itself out of this mire and mess like Portugal and Spain and all them are going through.
	And they said, Kramat, you guys are the ones that You're private banking.
	You want us to pay your bills.
	You've failed.
	You've flopped.
	In fact, Kerry, if a banking system, if you were an employee of a company and you failed as bad as the banking system has failed our nation, you'd be fired.
	Why haven't we fired them?
	Because there's, well, corruption involved in this whole thing.
	It was meant to have happened when it failed that one time.
	And so what's going on is this nation said, We're not going to take your debt on.
	It's too bad.
	You're just going to have to fail on your own.
	And so there's a lot going on behind the scenes to help make this happen.
	I mean, hey, foreign nations have come to the aid of America.
	When we were in a revolution for, you know, starting this country during 1812, during the Civil War, and we aren't in any less war this time, Carrie.
	The Federal Reserve plans on dropping us like a hot potato.
	In fact, they're in a boat right now, and they're getting ready to leave that boat and go into the luxury liner, and we're in that boat that they're going to turn around and shoot with a gun and put a hole in the bottom of the boat to sink our economy while they hop up to lunch.
	Well, now I appreciate that analogy, but let's get down to some of it.
	That's a very tantalizing analogy, and I don't think I would be disagreeing with you, but there's a question here that actually points in that direction, and I want to ask it, and then I want to have you elaborate.
	What they're saying is, do you connect the U.S.
	central banks with the European Rothschild banking empire?
	The central banks of America are the most powerful branch of the Rothschild empire.
	There's no doubt about it.
	There's just no doubt about it.
	There's been some inside fighting and that's a whole nother, you know, that's a whole nother program.
	There's been fighting because they're getting ready to really launch a world international currency.
	I mean, even offline, you and I need to discuss that in more depth, if you don't mind.
	Sure, but here's what's neat about this system, Carrie.
	It's totally anonymous and private.
	The only thing you know you're dealing with is somebody that you know you're already dealing with, or you might just be, and these accounts are unidentifiable.
	When I started my Loom account, it didn't have my name in it.
	It's all encrypted.
	I didn't have to give my name and my address or my phone number.
	I got a unique identifier that was unique to me, as unique as there are stars in the sky.
	So it's totally Completely private.
	And that's important when we're doing it.
	We also need to, I mean, there's another question here, but we also need to address what happens if the grid goes down with this system.
	Okay, that's a good question, because there are backup systems.
	The grid isn't going to go down, though.
	I mean, if it goes down because of a nuclear attack, we've got more to worry about than what we've already got in our hands.
	In fact, we might be only able to survive with what we've got.
	Now, if you're thinking that the Internet's going to be taken down, I have to disagree with that.
	And as long as there's wires between us, these systems will be up and running.
	But that's not even the issue.
	You can have a unique identifier that allows you to have the rights to these currencies, whichever bank you're dealing with, whichever private bank in the world or warehouse you're dealing with.
	And if you wanted to, you could go there and physically get your gold, your silver, your coffee, or whatever currency you're dealing in.
	And yes, coffee's a currency, one of the currencies.
	Okay, now someone is asking, they've heard something about Bitcoin?
	No, Bitcoin.
	Bitcoin, yeah, Bitcoin.
	Bitcoin is a currency.
	It's one of the currencies in the underground economy, you bet.
	You bet.
	It's very interesting what's going on in Bitcoin and I have some information on my website and we'll be certainly wanting to talk Some more about Bitcoin.
	It's just one of those currencies that I was mentioning that is out there.
	OK.
	All right.
	So just scanning down here.
	I guess somebody is asking about government control of the Internet.
	That's a little bit of a similar question, but it's a little different.
	Well, I'm not too concerned about it, Carrie, because For the uninitiated, I can understand why they're concerned.
	For those that are in this venue and in this world, we already know what the backup systems and alternative issues, alternatives to the existing internet is.
	And to tell you the truth, Kerry, the
	The most important thing that I can say is, peer-to-peer, P2P, if you want to call it that, communications via cell phones, the matrix is so overwhelmingly connected, the only way that these currencies could not be traded is if all cell phones went down, all internet went down, and I mean to tell you they'd have the entire
	World or country at Mad at M2.
	There's, I mean, just brain dead guy down the street that owns, uh, uh, well, uh, the stores that, uh, are big box stores use the internet too.
	No, they're not going to just limit it to the big box stores.
	It's going to be either there or not at all.
	And when it's not at all, we've got more to worry about than that, because it's probably going to be an ELE type thing.
	By the way, to answer more questions about Bitcoin, folks, you can go to Bitcoin.org.
	B-I-T-C-O-I-N.org.
	And all the stuff's there.
	Okay.
	I typed that in the chat for the people listening.
	Okay, well, I don't see offhand any other pertinent questions coming up, though people, go ahead and put your questions in caps in case I'm missing something here.
	Now, one person is saying, can he name other commodities that are traded on these systems, commodities other than gold and silver?
	Well, coffee's one.
	Is there something else, Dr. Waterman?
	Food is one.
	In fact, I even have, there's medical consultation currencies out there.
	Now, it's an hour of time in medical consultation.
	And so, what's happening is there's tons of different kinds of currencies out there.
	There's two venues to work, and I'll just end it with this, Carrie.
	There's a means and a tool that we use to transfer our currencies back and forth to make payment and receive payment between each other, and then there's places popping up where we meet in order to understand what people are offering, what they would like to offer us as a good or service, and our ability to find them.
	Kind of a market, right?
	Right, it's kind of like we're going to be having like a Yellow Pages for the underground economy real soon.
	Terri, the forum could be a great place for one of those Yellow Pages.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Okay, well we're definitely working on this together and we're trying to bring some more people to the fore and we are going to create a place on the forum.
	So thank you very much Dr. Waterman for coming on the show and sharing your knowledge in this area.
	We'll do this again.
	As soon as I can find another opening, but meanwhile, people can listen to your radio show, I'm sure, and get more information, right?
	You bet you can, and it's been my pleasure.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks so much.
	Okay, everyone, have a great week.
	We'll see you next week.
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