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May 30, 2011 - Project Camelot
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PROJECT CAMELOT : ANDREW COLLINS : UFO ABDUCTIONS & DIMENSIONAL REALITIES
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Thank you.
I mean, I'm a writer, I'm a researcher, I'm a researcher, and, you know, I can find the information where I need it and when I need it.
In recent times I've been seriously going into quantum science, quantum theory, particularly the work of the theoretical physicist David Bohm, who was We can alter the whole idea of multi-dimensional experiences in connection with the medium that we call plasma.
That's suggesting that the fourth dimension is a separate place like the earth or our physical dimension is a place that exists and you can travel from age to age.
I think what you refer to as the fourth dimension is something that's created As and when necessary.
In other words, the dimensions beyond the three normal space and one at time Unfurl, uncurl into existence when necessary.
Cutting-edge works going on at the moment seems to suggest that we might be looking at quite separate life forms existing within plasma environments.
Now where do they come from if they suddenly just exist?
Well I think that they're interpenetrating through the plasma from something that's beyond Hi, I'm Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and I am here with Andrew Collins.
And we are at Nagel Lithuania in South Africa, and I'm very happy to be able to interview Andrew.
I've been trying to catch up with him for quite some time.
And we're going to have some thunderstorm activity in the background, so if you hear rolling thunder, you know what's going on, and it's all good.
And so, what I'd like to do here is, Andrew, have you sort of give yourself an introduction and talk about What brought you into this whole subject area?
Really go back to even your childhood, if necessary, and give us a little personal background.
Well, I think I probably began my interest with UFOs when I was a child.
I had an interest in aircraft, and I saw a strange ball of light across the sky.
One day and I thought that this was perhaps even more interesting than the aircraft that I was trying to view and spot at that time.
So I started to read what I could and as a child there wasn't that much around and then other interests took over my life and it wasn't until I started work at the age of 16 I started gorging paperbacks on UFOs from the likes of Brad Steiger, Jack's Valley, John Keel, people like this.
It almost took over my life really because I wanted to get close to the subject.
I wanted to communicate with these entities.
So I became a UFO investigator for the British UFO Research Association.
Started interviewing people that had seen things.
And that's where it all began.
And very quickly I realised, obviously, that 90% of UFO sightings have some kind of explanation.
But those that didn't were very interesting because the people involved in them seemed to have certain characteristics similar to each other, not just personalities, But they often seem to be psychic.
They often seem to have physiological traits in common.
They would have past lives that were quite similar.
And I started to look more at this than the actual phenomena itself.
Because I felt that the people were the key to the phenomena as much as what they were seeing.
And as this was taking place, the type of cases I was covering were getting more and more involved, you know, close encounters at first, close encounters at second kind, and finally close encounters at third kind, and even fourth.
And until eventually, in 1977, when I was aged 20, I was lucky enough to be put in touch with the first ever witnesses to an abduction in the UK.
And this was a family by the name of Day, D-A-Y, from West Essex.
So that's just outside of Greater London.
And they were going along a road at night, shook journey, they saw an oval blue light crossing in front of them, and They saw this, they accepted it was a UFO, it disappeared and then they turned the corner and the car headlights failed,
they could no longer hear the tyres, the engine failed and in front of them there's this luminous bank of green mist, glowing green mist and they clouded into that and everything went completely haystead.
The next thing they know they're three quarters of a mile further along the road And they get home from this short journey, in fact, three hours they're missing from their lives.
The whole case was investigated over about a year, a long period, and the standard on-board scenario came out during hypnosis.
And this really sort of set the standard in the UK. I mean, before that time, it was only really foreign cases like Bedding, Barney Hill, And a guy called I think it was Herb Schreimer in 1974.
And that happened in the USA. Plus there were a few really strange cases obviously from South America.
And this really primed me.
I think this was at the point that I really started to write about UFOs.
And I also realised that there was a paranormal psyche element here because the family changed dramatically.
After the encounter, they became vegetarians, could start seeing auras, could see energies out of sight, and also strange apparitions, tall dark figures seen at night.
And I can confirm that this was real because on more than one occasion I saw poltergeist activity, or heard it I should say, So you actually went there to investigate?
Yeah, but I became very close friends with them as well, and I'm still friends with the Maryland family, John Day to Day.
There's no question this event took place.
I started to try and get deeper into this because The onboard experience was quite classic, but there seemed to be some conflicting things going on because the family had three children.
Two of them were asleep in the car, and the third one, when he saw the oval blue light, got up and held onto the front seats.
And that's the position he was in when they went into the green mist.
He was still in that position when they came out.
The two other children were still asleep in the back.
It was as if time had disappeared completely.
So in other words, it didn't seem as if they'd spent three hours somewhere The whole thing had happened in an instant of time.
That's not to say they didn't have an abduction experience.
That occurred, but it occurred outside of normal space-time.
And this got me thinking that maybe the abduction experiences may be a lot more complex than the simple idea that you've got a nuts and bolts spacecraft and somebody goes aboard and they're there.
and put back afterwards that you're dealing here with something that's completely out of space and out of time and that is something that I've tried to get a grip on in various books that I've written and I'm doing a brand new book now, nearly completed, called Light Quest which is all about this very subject.
Okay, so in a sense you're really dealing with dimensions, aren't you?
Absolutely.
And I wonder as a result of this whether you have any background in physics or In other words, do you have some kind of background?
Do you have any military background?
No, I have none at all.
I mean, I'm a writer, I'm a researcher, and...
You know, I can find the information where I need and when I need it.
And in recent times I've been seriously going into quantum science, quantum theory, particularly the work of the theoretical physicist David Bohm, who was alter the whole idea of multidimensional experiences in connection with the medium that we call plasma.
And this has been a word that has been bandied around in connection with UFOs for a very long time.
In fact, it's almost like a dirty word within ufology because, unfortunately, it was given us the alternative explanation, like, this is not a real alien encounter, this is a plasma.
And people would say, no it's not, you know, and it was almost used in the same way as swamp gas.
It was used to explain Will of the Wisps and Jack O' Lanterns, the old terms for balls of light, in the past.
But I do believe that it is a key to understanding UFOs and multi-dimensional experiences.
But you're using the notion of plasma.
I think when you're talking about plasma, you're actually relating to what this sort of old-fashioned notion of the ether.
Absolutely.
But the ether itself is not the manifestation of plasma.
Plasma is essentially seas of electrons excited, giving off photons that create light.
These are bound and held together by electrostatic charges and magnetic fields.
And they call these buoyant plasmas or plasmoids.
And again, this is not new.
I mean, loads of people have suggested this relationship.
And I think most people accept that they have something to do with UFOs.
But I'm going further.
I'm saying that a lot of abduction cases, I can't explain all of them, of course, no one can.
Are actually multidimensional experiences where people enter into what I call a bubble universe.
In other words, they get too close to these objects.
They first enter what I call a shifted reality, something that Jenny Randles refers to as the Oz Factor, where everything starts going wobbly and weird around you, but you're still in your normal environment.
And then at a certain point in the encounter, you are just taken completely out of space-time.
And if anybody was at that spot, In between times, they wouldn't see anything, or they might see a light or something like this, but they wouldn't see the whole thing.
In fact, there's a good chance they wouldn't see anything whatsoever.
Okay, what about the notion that what you're talking about is, because what I've heard is, especially perhaps with the grey encounters, that people are actually taken into the fourth dimension, literally that particular dimension, which is extremely Yeah.
Well, that's suggesting that the fourth dimension is a separate place, like the Earth or our physical dimension is a place that exists and you can travel from A to B. I think what you've referred to as the fourth dimension is something that's created as and when necessary.
In other words, The dimensions beyond the three normal space and one of time unfurl, uncurl into existence when necessary so that the interaction between our consciousness, our mind and other intelligences which are truly alien in nature We create this relationship and these intelligences use the plasma as a medium for this interaction,
this inner penetration into our physical world.
And yes, absolutely, the witnesses, the victims, the contactees are taken into this fourth dimension realm where the actual event takes place.
I mean, Travis Walton, 1975, logger in the southern United States, Comes too close to an object, gets zapped, disappears for a period of days, eventually is found wandering about.
His memory of actually being away lasts no more than a couple of hours at the most.
And this was a great mystery which, to this day, he can't understand.
Because where was he for the rest of that time?
And I think the answer is, well, he was wherever he was because he was outside of normal space, so time is not running in the same way.
There's something different going on here.
He's in a creative realm, a creative environment, which is based upon his own mind The knowledge that the intelligences have, and something in between, which is probably drawn from the collective unconscious.
What we have today is UFO encounters, alien abductions.
What we had in the past was fairy encounters, or if you're a Christian, trips to paradise, visions of Jesus Christ, or even on other occasions, perhaps people being dragged down to hell and being tortured by demons.
Some of the accounts of that are very, very similar to what we call AVM of Daksha today.
Okay, but, I mean, there's a number of questions I have as a result of what you're saying.
One of the things that comes to mind, having just heard your presentation, is, however, though, that the notion of the Anunnaki, Which have come in to a lot of the Egyptian information, but also into,
and I don't even know how to pronounce it, the recent investigations you've been doing in Turkey, at that site, which again, and then of course Sumer, and the Sumerian tablets, all relate to a race that came from the stars.
According to Zakaria Sitchin, of course.
I mean, I have to be totally honest.
I'm not a big fan of Zachariah Sitchin and his interpretation of the ancient texts.
Okay, but from heaven to earth came.
This is an interpretation.
My idea of the Allen Archive are completely separate.
I wrote a book in 1996 called From the Ashes of Angels where I read the ancient texts or at least read I've got all of the translations that were available at that time.
I mean, we're not talking about just modern, boring, staid ones, but ones from the past, the 1910s, 1920s.
I've got all of the original material.
I even learnt Hebrew so that I could read these and read all the characters.
And these talk about the Anunnaki being Virtually a physical race of individuals, let's call them that, that existed in a physical sense, and it says that they lived in a mountain-like retreat, something like a kibbutz of Israeli tradition today, and that they were removed from the mortal world, but they would interact with it.
This world was seen to be somewhere in the north.
It was a place where the cedar forests were, and although they are most obviously associated with Lebanon today, there were huge cedar forests to the north of the area of Sumar and Akkad and Babylon and Syria.
And this was the area of the Taurus Mountains.
And this is the area where Göbekli Tepe is in southeast Turkey.
Göbekli Tepe being the oldest stone temple complex in the world.
And from my research, I concluded that the Anunnaki was another name for these individuals called the Watchers of the Book of Enoch, whose offspring was the Nephilim.
And that these two, these same Incredible beings, which I felt were flesh and blood, that existed in the past and were said to have given the arts and sciences of heaven to humankind.
To me, these guys were born on this earth.
But what about the line that says they came from a planet called Nibiru?
Well, that's, again, the work of Zachariah Sitchin.
Now, Zachariah Sitchin died last year.
There's a lot coming out to suggest that some of his translations of the ancient texts I'm not as they should be.
And I read The Twelfth Planet, which was a great book, directly after I finished work on The Assassin of Angels.
It gets a very brief mention at the end of it.
And in my opinion, his translation of the same text that I'd been looking at We're completely wrong.
That's a personal opinion, but I happen to know that various of my colleagues share that opinion.
They also looked at those.
In other words, they don't talk about the Anunnaki coming from other planets.
They talk about them as a race, a community of beings which appear to be flesh and blood.
Or appear to be immortal.
Now what immortal means is up to the individual.
I see it as living across generations.
A time when most other people would probably have had a lifespan of maybe 30 or 40.
Perhaps these guys live for 100.
You know, the same way we do today, or maybe even longer.
Obviously, there's a lot of traditions to do with biblical figures, patriarchs, living across hundreds of years.
Perhaps that's what these dark guys were doing.
They were immortals.
But I believe, myself, they were flesh and blood.
Okay.
But would you acknowledge that they were also very, very tall?
Absolutely, yeah.
I mean, all of the texts suggest that, you know, they talk about them as tall as trees, giants, and certainly their offspring.
As far as human offspring, they're of large size.
And there are some quite disturbing stories about women having to undergo cesarean section to remove the babies because their birth canals were just too narrow for the child to come out.
Okay, what about Akhenaten and Nefertiti and the notion that they might have been from another planet?
Yeah, unfortunately, I'm astonished.
I can't really handle it.
I mean, the original ideas for this probably come from the fact that they're depicted with extremely long faces.
And this same idea of long faces is there with the watchers as related in the Book of Enoch.
But it's more than long faces, it's elongated.
Absolutely, elongated heads.
And they have found skulls like that?
Yes they have.
Well for the most part those skulls are defund using bands on a child or a baby on a child when they're young.
This is a practice that was going on All the way around the world, in the ancient world and in the Americas, certainly from as far back as any knowledge we have of human civilisation, right the way through, and in fact I think it still goes on amongst certain tribal cultures even today.
But of course we've all seen these great We've got skulls from places like Peru and Mexico, but it was also going on in the Near East.
The very area where I suggest that the Watchers and the Anunnaki were similar, skulls have been found there.
And there are various papers that have been done on them.
And what's interesting is that although the skulls have definitely been bound in the same way as a lot of other default skulls have done in other parts of the world, What's interesting is that the skull seems to be elongated anyway.
So in other words, all they're doing is accentuating something that's already there.
Now why would they do that?
And I think it's because these skulls and the deformation process only went on amongst an elite, amongst the shamans, the priests, who themselves were a caste that stretches back many thousands of years, and perhaps through interbreeding and the rest of it with other races and peoples, they were beginning to lose their original appearance.
An appearance which Even themselves, they saw in terms of extremely long skulls.
I find this really interesting because this matches exactly the descriptions as given of the watchers and the great lie in one of the Enochian texts is that their face, or their visage, as it says in one translation, is like that of a viper.
And what does this mean?
Well, think of the Viper Room, you know, the great jazz club in the United States.
Where did that get its name?
Well, I'll tell you.
And this is what gave me the clue.
Because the jazz musicians would play on stage at night.
People in the audience, and obviously the musicians, would be smoking joints.
All of the smoke would completely distort people's faces and it would make their faces look as if they were extremely long as they were playing trumpets and whatever and it almost seemed as if they were like vipers on stage because of their faces and it was this piece of information that started to tell me what a face like a viper or their description as serpents Actually meant that their whole face were elongated very
much like those faces of Akinat and very much like those deformed skulls that we see.
Now, I can't explain every deformed skull, of course.
I mean, you know, I've seen pictures of some very peculiar ones.
So I wouldn't like to say that every single one's got an obvious explanation.
Some are obviously medical conditions and others I can't explain.
But definitely around the world have been bound...
Young children and they've turned out to be very strange looking individuals.
Okay, but to get back to this notion of this sort of multi-dimensionality of the UFO experience and not to completely leave behind the idea of the Anunnaki because what we're talking about here is if you say a multi-dimensional experience and you're also talking about Because we have massive amounts of evidence that there are nuts and bolts craft that
have been photographed and that are visiting and that are also being reverse engineered by our secret government and used and so on and so forth.
But beyond that, it is very interesting the level of multidimensionality that enters into the experience with these other beings, whether Where you think they came from, I'm not sure.
But in other words, they've got to come from somewhere.
And I hope that you're not just positing that they come from the human unconscious.
No, I'm not at all.
Let's get back to plasma.
Plasma is a medium, just in the same way that we need air to breathe.
I think that certain intelligences that manifest need plasma to exist.
And I say this in the knowledge that a lot of work into plasma physics, cutting-edge works going on at the moment, seems to suggest that we might be looking at quite separate lifeforms existing within plasma environments.
Now where do they come from if they suddenly just exist?
Well I think that they're interpenetrating through the plasma from something that's beyond normal space-time Some kind of higher dimensional realm.
And as I say, this might sound completely new age or cookie, but it's not.
This is exactly what theoretical physicists are suggesting.
David Bowne's work is absolutely crucial to understanding this.
But more than this, I mean, going all the way back to people like Nikola Tesla, he also was seeing intelligences associated with what he would see in that terms as electricity.
We call it as plasma today.
It's a medium.
It's merely a medium.
But of course, then we got what we call entanglement in quantum theory.
The idea that particles can be linked both through space and time at any distance.
If they split apart, they can retain instantaneous contact.
And this isn't just single particles.
We're talking about an infinite amount of particles everywhere all the time.
And this not only is the explanation behind things like telepathy, maybe mind over matter, teleportation, possibly even the future of computing.
There are now quantum computers based on entanglement or nonlocality as it's done, non-local communication.
But it's also The means by which lifeforms can travel from one environment to another.
I mean, if you've got plasma, plasma only exists at a temporary level.
I mean, if you've got a ball of light or an oval of light or whatever coming into existence, you say, well, okay, I can accept that it's intelligent, but where does that intelligence go once the light goes out?
Well, the idea is it withdraws back into a more...
A more intricate realm, what you call the aether, the ancient Greeks called the plenum, and here it can move instantaneously and then inhabit new plasma environments.
And quite clearly this could be local to the other one that's just gone out.
One light goes out and another one comes on.
It could be the same intelligence.
Or, quite clearly, it could be on the other side of the universe and backwards and forwards in time.
Beyond our own concepts of space-time, anything can happen, anything can be going on.
Our mind can influence the past, the past can influence us, we can influence the future, the future can influence us.
That's time, but what can also happen in space, if we can influence space in, you know, both in the forward and backwards in the same way, that relationship can be with intelligences anywhere in the universe.
So when we're talking about these life forms existing within these plasmas, it doesn't mean that they are of the Earth.
They could be of the Earth.
Maybe there are those that are local to us.
But equally, they could come from the opposite end of the universe, possibly even from parallel realms, as you suggested.
Okay.
Well, what about the notion that they're...
Maybe another way of saying what you're saying is where time-space and space-time cross.
Well, that's the here and now.
I mean, we create our own realities.
I mean, each one of us has our own reality.
And that's not just a worldview, but we're like a centre spot outwards.
The whole of the universe, the whole of the space and time for each individual is almost like a point of consciousness.
So we can influence anything.
Whatever we believe can exist.
If we believe in lizard-headed aliens, they exist.
If we believe in alien grace, they exist.
If we don't believe in them, we might find evidence that they don't exist.
But others could introduce us to new evidence.
In other words, whatever people want to believe does exist.
But in a way, that worries me slightly, because if we can make up reality...
Then what are we bringing into existence with our own physical plane?
You know, if we do believe, for instance, that lizard-headed aliens are trying to enslave the human race, can we make that a reality?
Can we make that an actual eventuality in this world?
I hope not.
I hope there is a possibility that we can see UFOs and the intelligences behind them on a much brighter level and perhaps change things.
Okay, but the trouble is that, you know, from the outside, listening to you, it sounds a little bit too relativistic in the way you're talking.
And I would posit that there's more to realities than simply whether or not we believe in them.
It comes back to this key word, entanglement.
If we can influence both space and time, who's to say that some part of us, some part of our mind, some part of our belief Can't influence the primeval soup on some other planet a million years ago and actually caused the creation of life forms a million years ago on another planet that evolves in a certain way so that now,
in the here and now of our space-time, it could come looking for its creator.
Us.
It's possible.
I mean, yeah, these are thought experiments.
Yes.
You know, the viewers can take all this totally seriously.
But these are new ideas which I want to throw around and see where we go.
I see.
Okay, well, fair enough.
And let me ask you this.
How do you account for something like the Bermuda Triangle?
I account for it because there are a lot of cases where the aircraft and ships have just vanished.
And a colleague of mine, Greg and Laura Little, They've been looking at a number of the, they've been going around in harmours looking at wrecks and they found a number of the aircraft that classically got missing in the Bahamur triangle.
They've traced them, they've traced their numbers, they've had film crews with them and more and more have been discovered.
That's alright.
That's fine.
You know, maybe they got into storms or hurricanes or whatever else and just went missing.
Having said this, there are a lot of accounts of some kind of mysterious mist that seems to be luminous that, you know, planes, ships seem to go into experiencing something.
I mean, a classic example was in 1904.
A ship by the name of the Mohican was travelling from Romania into Philadelphia and about 250 miles offshore this rolling mist like a large balloon came across the sea and it seemed to be described as an electric cloud and enveloped the whole ship and all of the crew They found that they couldn't move their arms and legs.
Before that, before this onset, they tried to move metal objects and found they were stuck to the deck.
The compass just spanned wildly and the whole of the ship seemed to be alive with this electric light, you know, like plasma or some Elmo's fire as described classically by a lot of ships' crews.
And then as quickly as it came, after maybe, I don't know, a short time, 15 minutes, half an hour, it then left the ship and everything went back to normal.
So what was going on here?
These type of clouds, I mean, a colleague of mine, Jenny Randalls, has written a whole book called Time Stomps, and she said that she has done investigations on cases of this all around the world, and these are often mistaken, if you like, for UFOs,
and they seem to be associated with time warps, abduction experiences, complete distortions, That I described of the family from Averley in West Essex also possibly encountered something like this.
It's not exactly the same as this ship that I've been talking about, the Mohican.
They went into one of these tidestorms, if I can use that term.
They described it as a luminous bank of green mist or fog or gas.
And when they went into it, all of the hairs stood on end.
This was exactly what the crew of the Mohican described as well, and crops up again and again and again with UFO cases.
There's no question what this is.
It's an electrostatic charge and in plasma environments that's what's necessary to bind together the electrons C's.
That's what they are.
They're contained overall by magnetic fields.
But don't see this as purely something like physics because all this is a medium for something to manifest through.
Something which would be described as interpenetrating our world.
I'll give you a description.
A glove.
You've got a glove, you wear a glove.
But before you wear the glove, it's just a piece of fabric.
It may have a certain shape, but it's just a piece of fabric, woven or whatever, maybe rubber or whatever.
If you put your hand in it, if you put your hand through it, you penetrate into it, it's animated and it becomes real, it becomes alive.
We're talking about the same type of thing here.
Well, this was shown in the movie The Deep.
You remember the deed where the water comes up and it's actually in the shape of sort of a creature that they see under water, right?
So that's very much of a graphic representation of exactly what you're talking about.
What I'd like to know is whether or not you're familiar with the Philadelphia experiment and how you sort of I don't know, figure that out in terms of what you're talking about.
How do you correlate that?
Well, I think, I mean, I loved the story of the Philadelphia Experiment.
I read Charles Burlett's book, and William Moore was the co-author.
I've read about it in other books previously.
The main person who spilled the beans on it was a guy from Carlos Allende.
And he told the story to a UFO writer by the name of Maurice K. Jessup.
It's a famous story.
I mean, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that it didn't happen, I'm afraid.
Recently, a claimed survivor of the vessel, the USS Eldridge, came forward and said, yes, I was there, I saw it all.
But, countering that is the fact that the members of the crew, the USS Eldridge, actually have a yearly get-together And they laugh and joke about the whole Philadelphia experiment, saying it was far more interesting than what we remember.
So the verdict is out on whether this actually took place.
But what I can say is that the story that I've told you about the Mohican was almost certainly the forerunner of the Philadelphia experiment.
In fact, some researchers have actually even suggested that the whole idea was based on the story of the Mohican.
From 1904, which I find really fascinating, because here you've got almost the same thing going on, and I understand from researchers that there may have been even more to this case than was published at the time in the newspapers.
So even if the Philadelphia experiment turns out to have been a hoax, it was possibly based on a very real incident that occurred in 1904.
Okay.
Well, are you familiar with the Montauk experience?
Of course.
And, I mean, there are so many witnesses that are talking about this.
And the idea also has to do with what progress has been made from there on in regard to what you might call time travel or dealing with shifting timelines.
And all of this is cutting edge research that's being done at this time.
Yeah.
I mean, my honest answer to that is I have absolutely no idea whether the Montauk story is real or not.
I'd love to think it was.
Maybe part of it is a hoax.
Maybe some of it is real.
I don't know.
All I can say is that it comes back to what I said earlier about making up your own reality.
And I won't say that flippantly, but what I mean by that is that what we buy into, I believe that we can find evidence for and it becomes real.
Which is why, you know, sceptics exist.
I mean, sceptics will, you know, will basically find evidence to disprove whatever.
Of course they will.
Whereas those that believe will always find evidence For that theory or idea or story or whatever that's gone on.
So which is right.
They're both right.
Because as I said, reality is essentially as you make it.
It's not all the same.
It's not just one reality.
I believe that we all create our own reality.
We're all like cogs in this great reality.
...system that probably exists beyond space-time.
And most people assume that those cults all interlink and all run together.
You know, they're all linked at different speeds.
But basically, what if the cults are not connected?
What if those cogs are turning and they're not actually connected?
I mean, this is a possibility.
I think that, you know, we need to start looking at reality in a different way.
I mean, what I see through my eyes, what the viewer sees through their eyes, what they're viewing now as they look at this interview, that's their personal reality.
And, you know, that's something which I think that they can influence.
I mean, some people are going to reject what they say.
Some people are going to think this is great, cool ideas.
But, hey, that's what life's about, I think.
Okay, but there's still a problem in terms of the fact that we have physical entities entering this reality that are not here.
Yeah, I've no problem with that.
And it has nothing to do with whether you believe in them or not.
They still exist independent of your belief.
But the thing is that, as I said, it doesn't mean that my reality can't impinge on other people.
I've just given a lecture about Gobekli Tepe, the oldest temple in the world.
I've imposed my ideas on an audience of hundreds.
Now, those people will go away and check it and some will validate what I've said and some will go away and say, I think you're wrong.
But I've just imposed my reality on other people and if people take that in and allow it to become part of their reality, It's real.
I think that's the way things exist.
We influence the past, we influence the future.
All of these influence us.
Who knows what's influencing us at this very moment, for the future?
Well, that I will agree with.
But what I'm wondering is, where do you draw the line?
Because there is your Maybe in 3D they appear independent, but as you leave this 3D reality, this level of reality, there's no doubt whatsoever that there is a link that eventually,
you know, whether you believe in God or whatever you want to call it, there's a creator or there's a source, which is probably the best word for it, that it all ultimately comes And so there is a link-up, anyway, above this reality.
So that things like, for example, the tsunami that just happened in Japan.
This is happening on this planet.
I mean, it was threatening my house, in theory, on the Pacific coast.
It didn't get that far, but it did get to the Santa Cruz harbor, and it was impacting some of the ships in the harbor there.
In other words, this is very real.
This is a linked reality.
We're experiencing it simultaneously.
We can only change what is basically unseen.
This word, inevitability, is very important on defining what reality is.
It's inevitable that if I go outside into the auditorium I'm going to meet certain people.
It's inevitable that one day I'm going to die.
And that in itself creates a framework of reality.
It's inevitable.
That which is not inevitable, I think, can be changed.
I mean, for instance, if I talked about Nicholas Testa, And said that, you know, a psychic said to me, oh, he had a secret diary.
Now, there is a possibility that he didn't keep a secret diary.
But the sheer fact that a group of people start believing that he did, could, I believe, influence him back in time to start one up.
So that when you start looking into evidence for it, you will eventually find it.
And that will be the confirmation of that reality.
Okay, well that's a very interesting way of looking at reality, for sure.
I mean, there is no doubt that in some ways The future does influence the past and vice versa.
And this moment.
And I assume you do...
In some philosophies, they would say there is nothing else but the now, ultimately.
Our view of time, future, past, and present is actually, that linear thing is actually circular and simultaneous.
So in essence, that we are always in the now, this philosophy or theory that you're espousing here has every possibility of being true, right?
And I've also talked...
You know, this is probably crazy to bring even into this interview, but you know, Jack Sarfati is a physicist and is quite well known.
Apparently you know his work.
He often talks about the idea that the future influences the present and the past.
And we had a dialogue on email at one point in which I said that I have a theory that sometimes when I wake up in the morning, That I can tell what that day is going to be like because I can tell by looking at my face what my reaction to the day was.
In other words, it's already happened.
Absolutely.
So it's fascinating.
Yeah, you've got it.
There are various scientific experiments that have been done to see if we can influence the future, projecting the mind forward, let's say a day or a year, to try and influence instrumentation.
And I've tried this with a group myself and it seems to work.
That's the bizarre thing.
So it's not that difficult to influence the future.
And the trouble is that in a way it's worrying and disturbing because it starts evoking ideas that all the monsters that we thought existed when we were kids and we should worry and turn the lights out.
And yet our parents tell us, no, everything's okay, it's all fine.
Maybe they just do exist, or can exist, on occasions.
And I think that the Large Hadron Collider The team behind that announced recently that they would have evidence of higher dimensions within the year.
For them to have made that statement, it means that they must have some kind of foundation.
You know, in other words, they've already got results.
Because otherwise, they might as well say, you know, we're going to have evidence that the moon's made of green jeans within a year.
Right.
Clearly, they've already got something.
And when that evidence is presented, then a lot of people are going to be worried about reality because...
What the scientists tell us could happen when other dimensions come into play is going to make the world very wobbly.
And it will be up to, you know, almost the skeptics to say, you know, look, no, don't worry, this, that and the other is not going to happen because, you know, although those monsters can exist, they can only exist on special occasions, basically.
They don't exist all the time.
Because, you know, reality is mutable.
But, to be honest, as I said, that word of inevitability It's important.
It's inevitable that if I try and run through that wall, I'm going to get hurt.
And that's it.
But it's when things are not inevitable, that's when they can be changed.
Okay.
Well, I have to say, though, that if you watched Men Who Stare at Goats, you know that you can eventually, if you get your mind in the right framework, run through the wall and not be hurt.
But I think I would probably hurt myself if I tried.
So it's not inevitable.
Yeah.
And that's where we're...
But you see where I'm coming from, that it's not just a case of believing that you can walk reality.
You know, it's a case of doing so in a way which is uneffordable.
You know, in other words, that you have to take out the fixed reality to do it.
This is what I said about the Tesla, you know, thought experiment there.
Well, you have to also, I would say, there has to be...
Reality is an agreement, okay?
Among us.
Yes, exactly.
And so that, walking through that wall, at this moment, on this, you know, on this plane that we agreed exists here, with this plant and so on and so forth.
In other words, we're working in this concept.
There are souls, non-physical entities that are manifesting here for a purpose in a game field that we've agreed upon.
And if we decide to change the field itself, that's going to take a lot of us to do.
Probably.
There needs to be link-ups that make that sort of powerful.
And we are working at changing consciousness to make that possible.
In other words, to make peace possible, for example, in this game construct, we call it this existence.
This is why I say that we have to be careful about what we believe, because what we believe can come true.
And if we believe that the future of the human race will be enslaved by Elizabeth Aya, that could well happen.
But if we see the phenomena and the intelligences behind UFOs on a much more positive light, we can change that.
Because it's not inevitable that we're going to be enslaved yet.
So we can't change the future.
Okay.
All right, Andrew Collins, we're going to have to continue this at a later date, but thank you very much.
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