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April 7, 2010 - Project Camelot
01:41:46
The Heather Material: Ben's Story
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Thank you.
Hi, this is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot, And this is a recording made in 2009 in November by myself and Benjamin Murphy, who is a contactee and very likely a super soldier.
And he has been put in touch with Duncan O'Finian, and it is very likely that he has a super soldier background that he is just beginning to uncover.
At any rate, he is a contactee and he was in touch with Heather and is responsible for bringing the Heather material to the public with the help of this person who calls herself Heather.
At some point we thought that perhaps she had been killed.
in an auto accident I think it was but that's not the case from what I understood later and at the moment her whereabouts and whether or not she's alive is not clear so there's been a great deal of controversy around this material it was released by me back in a few months ago on the Project Camelot website as part of a Revealing that happened
as a result of an argument that happened between Bill Ryan, my partner in Camelot, and Benjamin Murphy as to whether or not the heather material was authentic.
Bill Ryan decided that Benjamin Murphy and the material was not authentic and therefore he went on to the Avalon Forum and began to basically out Benjamin Murphy and the heather material And to say that it was, I guess, a fake or planted or whatever.
That's not my view.
And at this time, the jury is still out on whether this material is actually authentic.
However, I think there's a great deal of value to it.
And I am releasing this interview at this time, with the permission of Benjamin Murphy, with some of the details that contain personal names and that sort of thing edited out.
But for the most part, it is intact.
And it was recorded, as I say, back in November, very early November of 2009.
So I hope you enjoy it.
I had a cold at the time, so my voice is extremely hoarse in some places and hard to probably listen to.
And I apologize for that.
The sound recording is also difficult.
It was a recorded impromptu Skype phone call, but we both decided that we would record this preliminary interview simply because the Heather material was beginning to look very, very important.
At this time, Heather has not come forward and we do not know if she is still alive or not.
And so I'm releasing this to the public at this time for your own edification and you can decide whether or not you want to take it on board as containing some truth.
One thing I can tell you for sure is that we have gotten validation on many of these points in regard to a race of robotic beings with superhuman abilities This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot and this is Tuesday,
April 6th, 2010.
And so you want to get the information out there because you knew the person or because I mean, what is your role in this situation?
What do you have to do with it?
Well, myself, my own situation is rather unique to say, as in myself.
My situation and her situation are very different, but I can see the correlation between the two.
The fact of the matter is she called us out of the blue, saying that she needed somewhere to go.
She had contacted my wife's mother-in-law, my wife's mother, first to try and find out where we were, because originally she didn't know if...
All of a sudden, it's what?
In 2009, she hasn't seen this person in a very long time.
She's like, can I come, can I meet with you?
And so she met with her.
I went and just to say hi for the life and meet with my wife's friends, you know.
And there was just an instant connection there.
And she started talking to us about how she needed our help.
She needed to get away from what she was into.
What could she possibly do to, you know, what could we do to help her?
The problem with us is we're really not in a position to help her like that.
We're struggling ourselves.
I've got my own problems with the US government who just don't seem to let me do it very much.
And at the moment, the best we can do is we're trying to keep her as safe as we can.
We have a mutual friend who she's staying with at the moment.
Now, of course, Heather's not a real name, but I'm not going to give out her real name.
Yeah, that's fine.
But I can tell you that she's very, very, very scared.
I mean, paranoid-ish scared.
But I did ask her if it was okay to talk to you guys, and she said yes.
She wants the information out.
I want the information out, because...
Obviously, what's going on is wrong.
You know, you can't sit on information like this.
It's just, you can't do it.
You know, I've got two daughters.
The way I look at it is, you know, what kind of person, how would I grow up and have to explain stuff that I might have done to them that could possibly harm them in the future?
I just can't do that.
Okay.
So, I guess, you know, I'm not sure which direction to go because I'm not sure...
I mean, I understand what happened, as you're saying, but first I guess I would want to know more about Heather and if she told you more than is written here.
Oh, yeah.
I've been going over her files.
I said she's got over 30 data CDs full of information that she's basically selling.
We really don't want the information here.
The best thing I can do is I've got to send this information somewhere that's going to be safe, but I don't know anywhere where it could be safe, so I don't know if you guys know anybody I could send it to, or is there anywhere I could send it where somebody could pick it up and keep it safe?
I have more than just that.
I have something that was given to me As well as that.
Okay.
That I asked for.
And I wasn't actually expecting this thing, and it turned up.
And quite frankly, now I have it, I don't know what to do with it.
Are you aware of one of our witnesses, Duncan O'Finian?
Yes, yes.
I am.
I've also...
I've sent Duncan an email, and I believe that Heather has as well.
Okay.
I mean, you're welcome to send the information to us if it contains...
I mean, basically what we're talking about is our black projects, creating human robots, right?
Yeah, that's basically what it entails.
Most of this information is not unfamiliar to us because of another one of our witnesses, actually.
Gotcha.
But that person did say that, you know, that we weren't allowed to talk about that.
Yeah, yeah, that's, you know...
I know that, really, I shouldn't be talking about any of it, really.
It's very...
Some of the information on the disk is just, you know...
I would have no idea that they were looking into this area or trying to go in this direction, but from what I gather from the information, things like they're pulling away from the almost ESP side of the...
They're just concentrating on the almost strength and physical aspects of the units.
Well, possibly.
I mean, it's certainly one aspect of what they are working on.
They do seem to have a very invested interest in a pyrokinesis-type group, though.
There seems to be a very big emphasis on that for some reason.
Well, it's interesting, they're talking about these beings being able to take a man through a portal.
Yeah, that's, you know, of course I haven't witnessed any of this myself, but I am, with my own situation, I am full of, well aware of what there is and what there isn't.
You know, that's what I'm saying.
Her situation seemed to correlate Correlate with me in such a way that I find to be rather disturbing.
Okay, well, that's why I was asking you what your relationship was.
So are you saying that you yourself worked in this area or something related?
No.
Actually, my experience has just been Not abduction, but a visitation.
Unfortunately, it's more than just myself, as in, if what my friend calls our guides, which I can only describe as two greys, constantly coming into our lives and sharing things with us, and it's not just me, it's a whole group of people.
My daughter sees them, my wife sees them, because I thought only I'd be able to see them first, so I kept it to myself, and it turns out I wasn't the only person.
And my friend and his wife and his kids see them.
His brother recently checked himself into rehab because he thought he was going crazy because he saw them.
And it just seems to be on a larger, larger scale.
Well, what does seeing greys have to do with this information?
Because...
I don't know if I told you about my experience in 2005.
No, this is the first time we've talked, so I don't know.
Oh, sorry.
Well, the first time I met these Two little guys where they visited me was in 2005.
And the first, I can only recall a reptilian contact that I had, was just after that.
And they seemed to, every time one's in the vicinity of myself, it seems to want to identify itself to me.
Now this is, you know, I've thought about going to counseling, therapy, you name it, because it got to a point where I, I just can't, you know, take it anymore.
And I got so angry, and in my last encounter, which was about four months ago, I don't know what it was, but when this thing identified with me, it grabbed hold of my arm, and I just felt so much anger or aggression coming from it, it literally crushed my arm.
Okay?
I still have issues with my arm today.
I went to the doctor, and the doctor didn't realize.
He's like, did you crush it in a vice or something?
Because, what can I say?
Yeah, I broke my arm because this thing just snapped it like a twig.
It literally grabbed over my arm, started applying pressure, and it didn't stop.
It messed my arm up amazingly.
I've got x-rays, two steel pins in it right now.
This was a reptilian?
Yes.
Okay.
And can you describe it?
Very similar to the others.
The ones that I believe that have given me their identification, I believe, are grunts.
They're usually between six foot and seven foot.
I've never seen any really, really tall ones.
Their eyes vary with different Different colours, some have yellow, some have green, green eyes.
Their skin goes from a darkish grey to a light off-whitish grey to a normal human-like, not a pink, but almost a leathery type of colour, you know?
Even though they look very leathery, their skin is not the texture you'd think it would be.
Okay, but are you saying, I mean, you're calling them reptilians, is this because of their facial features?
Yeah, they look reptilian.
They look, yeah, they look completely reptilian.
Do they look like a human?
Are they human in combination?
No.
Or they're just straight up reptilian as far as you're concerned?
So, they're straight up reptilian.
The only human aspect is they're bipedal.
That's the only human aspect that I see.
But as soon as I'm in contact with one, I cannot move and it's almost as if my own feelings don't exist.
I'm completely immersed in what that creature is feeling.
It's thoughts and it's almost lack of emotion, but you know, It's hard to describe as emotion, but there's definitely something there.
It takes over.
You can definitely feel when they're frustrated, and they normally come up and just give me almost...
They don't speak to you, obviously, but they do speak to you through their head, mentally.
And it hurts.
It's like somebody hammering a chisel into your brain.
It's very...
It resonates with everything in your head, and I honestly don't know what they're saying.
Uh-huh.
To be honest, because I don't understand what they're saying.
Okay.
And when I try and ask the two greys about this, and you'll have to also understand that the only person that I know who can speak to the two greys coherently and actually get something that isn't cryptic is my daughter.
My daughter's six years old, and she's autistic.
And she I don't know.
They seem to love her.
They spend a lot of time with her.
And she can understand that she draws pictures.
Now, recently, on the 4th of July, we went up to Georgia to see my wife's stepfather, and he was waving a gun in my face because she had told him that aliens protect her.
Now, he's a strict Christian, and you can imagine.
He was very upset.
This information.
And it took us about three hours to say, look, okay, come on, she's autistic.
Okay, put the gun down.
It was a nightmare.
It was a horrific scenario at the moment.
It's causing problems absolutely everywhere, you know?
Yeah, well, I can imagine.
But this is a weird combination of information to go with the information you're sending me.
I agree.
That's why I was disturbed by the information itself at first, and I was like, well, you know, why the hell is this all happening?
Why is it happening to me, and why is it happening now?
Because, to be honest, if it all went away, that would be great, but I know it's not going to.
Okay.
What has happened to Heather?
At the moment, she is...
She's not doing anything.
She hasn't gone back to work.
And I don't think she plans to.
She wants to really get out of Florida.
But as we've said to her, it's probably not going to make too much of a difference.
I really don't know what...
I don't know what to do with it.
I don't know...
I don't know what to tell her.
I don't know...
How do you comfort somebody in a situation?
I have no idea what to do about it.
I just feel completely hopeless because I'm not in a financial position to help her.
I'm not in a physical position to help her because it's like, who's she going to go to?
She can't go to the police.
Technically, she's not on the run from anybody.
She's just somebody who left her job.
But the nature of her job, she's sure that her life is in danger.
And, you know, with the information that she has, I don't know, honestly.
What would happen if we published this information under the name of Heather?
Would that be acceptable or not?
Yes.
That is fine.
She said she wants the information out.
She believes that if she She's under the impression if she gets the information out then it'll be done and she will be okay.
She won't have to worry about it because once it's done, it's done.
She believes if she has it and as long as she is holding on to it then she thinks that if they get it back then they can do whatever they want with her.
If you understand that.
What do you mean if they get it back?
If they get what back?
The information that she has.
Okay.
But...
In other words, but she doesn't...
I mean, you said she gave it to you and then you want to maybe send it to us or to someone, right?
Yes.
So in essence, she doesn't want to give it back.
Isn't that right?
That's right.
Yeah, she doesn't want to give it back.
She doesn't want to give it back.
She's worried about them getting hold of her and getting rid of her before she can put the information out.
When I say get it back, I mean, just, well, the information, because they're on CDs.
She stole all these CDs, and that's what I mean.
Retrieving the CDs, I guess.
Now, I haven't made any copies of these CDs yet.
Not for the lack of trying.
I did try, but my CD player actually recently broke for some reason.
My rewriting.
Okay.
It looks like offhand that she worked for Merck.
Yeah.
But it has to be a black division of Merck.
Mm-hmm.
So if we publish this, would we put, if we use the name Heather, is that okay?
Bye.
Yes.
Okay.
Like, if you put the CD in your computer, are you able to upload files or not?
Yeah, I should be able to.
You mean, like, over Skype?
Yeah.
Just send you the information from them?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I should be able to do that.
So...
I'm going to...
I'll do it from my brother-in-law's computer because, as I said, my CD drive is broke.
I mean, recently.
I don't know why it happened.
Well, I mean, it's completely up to you.
Now, you're welcome to also mail it to...
We have a mailing address on our site.
Gotcha.
Under contact.
And that is where we get mail.
So, you know, you could send it that way to...
Two, but if you send it through the mail before you upload the files to us, then there's a possibility it could get intercepted and we'd never get it, depending on how hot and how true it really is.
Gotcha.
I do have another piece of information.
Heather says she has a skin sample.
Now, I haven't seen that.
That's from...
One of the units.
And she says she has that.
But I, on a different subject, relating to my situation, when my arm was broken, I actually have my own skin sample.
What do you mean?
What do you mean by that?
I don't understand.
Well, when the reptilian squeezed my arm and broke it, on the floor a piece of his skin dropped off because he was shedding.
Okay.
I got it.
I see.
Well, that's a trip.
Okay, well, I mean, offhand, I have no idea what we would do with something like that.
That's actually really weirded out.
I think what you could do is, rather than send it to us, is take it to a doctor or a lab, have them analyze first before it leaves your hands.
So to speak.
Gotcha.
That way you would know if there was anything there, you know, because unless there was something there that was unique, if I pick up a dead snake or, you know, lizard or something, then I'm going to have that type of skin too, and it's not going to make a difference.
But I guess it gets sophisticated in the sense that I know if you wanted to test it for DNA, that it could be an expensive process.
But offhand, you might at least start the process and then see what is necessary to go from there.
And it may even be possible for us to try to raise money to pay for something like that.
It sounds outrageous, but if there was something worth investigating, then we could put an announcement out and say, you know, anyone wanting to contribute money to this effort, we could explain that we think we have a piece of, I don't know what you would call it, alien, reptilian...
Anomalous skin.
Yeah.
Anomalous organic material, I guess that's the best way to interpret it.
Okay, yeah.
But as far as, I mean...
What is your background in terms of what did you do for work?
Me?
Well, until I came to the U.S. Well, when I grew up, my father was in the Royal Navy.
My grandfather was in the Royal Navy.
Every member of my family, including my grandmother, was in the Navy.
My dad was in the Navy.
My mother stayed at home.
She was the usual average housewife.
We were stationed in Hong Kong, Singapore, so I was like a naval brat moving around.
I spent most of my time in Thailand.
I trained to fight.
That was my profession, I was a fighter.
What kind of a fighter?
Muay Thai, kickboxing.
I see.
Was this in the Navy or as something else?
No, I was just an independent fighter.
When I left school, I left school about the age of 15, and I stayed in Thailand.
I had a bad experience in Hong Kong.
I was going to school when I was about 13 years old, and because I was a foreigner, I was out of my zone, because they have, obviously, British colonies over there, and I went to school outside of one of those, and a group of kids came up and broke my legs, you know, and I had to learn to defend myself.
We went over to Thailand and when I went over to Thailand I decided I wanted to go to school and stay and learn martial arts and that was my thing and that's what I did.
I learned more Italian.
I went into the stadiums around Bangkok in Northern Thailand, Southern Burma, Southern Laos and just that was how I made my living until about 95 then I went back to England I was out of work.
I wanted to become a bouncer.
The only thing to do for me at the time was to become a bouncer or go into fighting again.
And at that point I really had enough because fighting in Thailand takes it out of you because you fight so often.
My legs were hurting.
I had some back problems and some knee trouble.
And so I just wanted to take it easy.
So I thought it would be an easy thing to work on the doors.
And I played at a casino.
And they said, well, we don't have a dormant position, but you can train to become a crew player if you want.
And so I did that until about 2000.
And then I met my first wife, who was Indonesian, and she was just completely insane.
She was lovely when I first met her, and then she just switched up on us.
And so I ended up divorcing her.
It was a very quick marriage.
And then I met my now wife.
And I've been here ever since.
But the problem is the US government keeps denying a visa.
My wife is still a radiologist.
She has a great job.
She makes money, but they keep saying you're below the poverty line.
Below the poverty line.
So I'm like, okay, I'll go to the embassy.
And I say, well, you know, if they...
They're not granting me all this.
Is there anything in the history that might stop them from doing this?
And they did the background checks, and they're like, no, everything's fine.
So what I did was I got...
I have to keep getting a two-year...
What do they call it?
It's a two-year visa you can apply from the embassy.
It's a known...
It's like a permission.
Yeah.
So I get that.
And that's how I work.
And right now, I've recently had information that they're sending me my work permit again.
So...
Because the last visa ran out last year, and I applied for the new one.
They said, well, we're so backed up.
You know, we've only got one person working in the office in Orange County.
And I'm like, ugh.
We're just playing the waiting game.
But I actually received an email the other day from...
ECIF saying that they've approved finally my work visa and they're going to send me that.
So have you been able to work without it?
On and off.
On and off.
I've done detailing jobs.
I actually applied for a position within The INS because they are having issues with translators.
They do want some translators.
Especially people who need to speak Chinese or are fluent in Chinese or Thai.
And you speak those languages?
Yes.
So I thought...
Hasn't the US government or British government tried to recruit you?
No.
Really?
No.
I don't know why, but they haven't.
That's interesting.
But I've spent most of my time...
I'm sorry?
I've spent most of my time over here.
Since I came over here, I came over here and I stayed.
And I've been very much under the radar, so to speak.
I see.
Okay, well, so, other than the reptilian thing, I mean, how did you find Project Camelot?
And how did you learn about all this stuff?
Like, how did you get involved in all of this?
Okay, right.
Well, this is what happened.
I was on my own up until about 2004.
I was on my own, you know, spiritual journey.
I had no idea what was going on in the world.
I was completely naive.
I even was going to people like Sylvia Brown for input and things like that.
And I just had an amazing revelation when I was...
What happened in 2005, we had a whole bunch of hurricanes.
And the one that destroyed our life in Fort Lauderdale was Wilma.
Because we had an apartment.
I was doing my bouncing thing at the Voodoo Lounge in Fort Lauderdale and what happened was Hurricane Wilma came through and she basically destroyed the apartment complex.
Our apartment was fine.
It had a little bit of water damage.
It came in from the door, but that was it.
But, FEMA came in and said this whole complex of the disaster area All of you guys have got to go.
And that was everybody.
They chucked everybody out.
Families, babies, they didn't care.
They said, you've all got to get out because this is a disaster.
You can't come back here until we approve it.
And they ended up demolishing the entire...
Complex, which was in Oakland Park.
Oakland Park apartments off of Andrews.
And so basically we had nowhere to go.
The hurricane had just hit.
People were going to get meals because the government, the army was issuing ration packs and they were issuing meals to people.
So many people were actually on the streets at that time.
I mean, it was nothing like...
Katrina, but it was pretty rough down there.
So we ended up having to pay like $300 for a hotel that had no power for the best part of a month.
And it literally took a month to put the electric on.
And we were just trying to find an apartment.
We were like, where else are we going to go?
In the end, we just decided, well...
It's not working down here.
We need to go up north so she could at least help us out and we could get back on our feet and get some stability.
So we came up to Orlando.
Now, when I was in Orlando, the first thing we did, her husband just came into the room and was like, Hey Ben, how are you doing?
I've never seen a guy before in my life, but he talked as if I'd known him for years.
And he used to be a graphic designer.
Very good at art.
And he has all this architecture on the wall.
When you walk into his place, it's like an Egyptian palace.
Because he's got all this Egyptian architecture.
He's got this Egyptian sofa laid out.
The place is beautiful.
And he's got this weird writing all around.
He's got a big symbol that says, And he's got all this weird writing around it.
I'm like, what is that?
He's like, that's Akashic.
I'm like, what?
I didn't know anything about that.
And I was like, okay, that's all very new age and good stuff.
And he's like, he sat down with me and towards the end of the night, he's like, you know, he's like, I've got to tell you something.
He's like, don't you know, they have, you know, to get guys like you where you need to be, they have to send things like hurricanes.
If we have pawns, we've got to place them in the right points strategically.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
He's like, you'll see what I'm talking about.
And we left that night.
Now, my mother-in-law doesn't like me because I'm white.
My wife is black, and she can't stand me.
So the wife and the kids stayed with the mother-in-law, and I slept in the car around the corner.
And that was my first night I met John and James.
It wasn't an actual...
Physical meeting, it was just...
I thought I was going crazy because it was a...
Okay, what do you mean, who's John and James?
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
John and James are what I call the two grades.
That's the best way I can...
That's my name for them.
Right.
So...
They're always in twos, and they started how they...
They just started telling me a story of how there used to be five of them.
They always come in groups, And what happened was three of them were breaking away.
Actually, all five of them were breaking away from what they'd been a part of.
They never told me what they'd been a part of, but they said they were getting away from it.
And the three that were trying to get away, they said they were in a vessel, there was some device on the vessel, and they said, This is what they told John and James, because they were in connection at the time, that they picked up a person who was looking at them.
And that can only, I can think to be a remote viewer, because the person was telling them that they were going to try and help them.
But before the person could help them, The device went off and the three died.
So the five became two.
I'm sorry, you broke up when you said that.
You said the device went up and what happened?
The device went off in the ship they were on and the three gray beings died.
Okay.
So the five became two.
And this is a story that John and James Grays told you.
Yes.
Okay.
This was the first thing they ever said to me.
I thought I was going completely insane.
Okay, and how did you see them?
You actually saw their physicality?
No, I only felt them speaking to me.
I felt very calm.
I didn't feel any love or anything like that.
I just felt...
Were you in your car at the time?
Yes, I was in my car.
I see.
And this was the first night.
Now, It went on like that for a few nights and then eventually what happened was I went to sleep and I woke up and there they were.
I remember because the first time I saw them, I sat so far upright because this was a Toyota Corolla.
I'm slightly taller than the car.
I smacked my head on the roof of the car and I'm like, ugh.
And I looked and they were still there.
I was expecting myself to wake up because I'd seen the same thing in Fort Lauderdale.
I woke up one night in the apartment in Oakland Park to see them stood there and I screamed.
I screamed like a girl.
And my wife said she was laid next to me and she said she heard me but she didn't move because she was scared.
And this time, when I banged my head, I thought, okay, it was just a dream again.
When I looked, they were still there, just looking at me.
Okay, were they outside the car?
Yeah, they were outside the car.
Was it dark or light?
Oh yeah, it was very dark.
But the moon was out.
The moon seemed to have enough light so I could see them.
And ever since then, they've just been showing up night times.
They never showed up in the daytime.
It's always at night.
We went round just at Christmas, and they showed up there at night time.
Something crashed in the kitchen.
So we went out, and there they were.
And then I thought, okay, that's the usual.
No one else is going to see them.
They're just going to be there, and we're going to communicate.
But that wasn't the case, because one came in, and he's an island guy, and he was just like, hey, you know, it's cool.
I'm like, I've already spoke to them.
And he's like, well, okay, with you guys already speaking, then we can start to do some work.
And then his wife came in.
His wife had already seen them as well.
And his son sees them as well.
And now they start showing up where I am, wherever we go at night.
They'll come and they'll visit.
And the only person who has not seen them is my 15-year-old.
She's my stepdaughter.
But that's only because she's not here some nights.
Most of the nights she's with her father.
Okay, but the little girl that's autistic sees them.
Oh, she sees them, she draws them, she paints them, she won't stop talking about them.
And most importantly, she can understand what they say.
The problem with talking to them, if you speak to them, is you get a barrage because they already know what you're going to ask and so they've already answered the question and so you get very confused.
Sometimes you have to take a step back and the conversations with them can be fast but slow, you know what I mean?
Because you've got to think, okay, that's what I was saying.
They've already asked another question.
So you've got to try and keep up.
I understand.
In essence, they're not abducting you or your family.
They're just visiting you.
We've never been abducted.
Never been abducted.
To my knowledge, never been abducted.
Right.
But I've never lost time.
I've never lost time either.
What are they telling you?
Do you know or what information?
Is it useful in any way?
Is there anything interesting about it?
The first part of the information was they started telling me about themselves, where they were from, They never say what they're here to do.
They just say that they're here, we have to accept that.
But they do say that they're not from the planets that we believe they're from.
They say that they've been here all along.
And they say that they were created...
I don't believe that they were created by the US government.
Their perception of their being and where they're from is they've always been here.
Okay, and how did the reptilian have a relationship with them?
Ah, they say, okay, because I've now asked them many questions on the reptilians, because I was like, you know, why are these things talking to me?
Why are these things doing this, ID-ing me?
The last thing I want to happen is for one of these things to give its ID to my little girl.
You know, this is something that I'm really, really, really concerned about.
It all comes down to protecting my family.
They said, well, you know, she's got protection.
Well, you've got protection.
I said, well, I obviously haven't got too much protection if they can do this somewhere I am.
You know?
That's not, as far as I'm concerned, that's not protection.
But they perceive things not to be so much physical as spiritual.
And, as I said, they can hurt your body, but they cannot hurt your spirit.
They can't hurt your soul.
The containers are always going to be protected.
I always thought that our bodies were our containers, but I don't know.
But their response to their connection with them, there are some groups that work with the reptilians.
Now I also got snippets of information when the reptilian Ideas itself, you get a slight insight into their psyche.
Not a lot, but little visions.
Okay, well how did it happen?
I mean I understand you were being visited by these two greys.
So when did the reptilians show up and are they having, is there a relationship between the two in some form or fashion?
Yes.
The reptilians perceive themselves to be masters over the greys.
This is not the case.
The reptilians do not have ownership.
They did not create the greys.
They are not masters over the greys.
The greys chose to work with them.
But there's different species of greys.
Now, the greys that do a lot of abducting, I've heard them referred to as the Dao more than anything.
And they look slightly differently.
They're short-nosed greys.
The reason being, John and James, when I look at them, You touch them, they're greys through and through.
They're not pretending to be greys, which is what the daos do.
The daos are actually another subspecies of actually reptilian.
But they call them the greys because they wear suits that mimic the greys.
They wear the spaces.
I see.
Underneath, they're like a shriveled pink, not very attractive looking entity.
That's just actually another mutated form of reptilian.
It's just like a different species.
Okay, do you have any pictures?
Did you ever photograph any of these beings?
I tried to, but the photographs never come out properly.
Okay, and the drawings of your little girl, are you able to send any of those to me?
Yeah, sure.
And would you mind if we publish them?
Yeah, that's fine.
I'll put them on to the computer today.
They're not a scanner, so I'll have to take a picture.
Is that okay?
Yeah, whatever you want to do.
You know, I mean, obviously you can tell me if you want me to publish this story as well, as part of the Heather thing or as a completely separate In other words, we don't have to draw any kind of connection between you and the Heather material, if you like.
Yeah, I'd prefer if it was separate, if that's okay.
And you can give me whatever false name you'd like us to use.
Okay.
I mean, that's fine.
My name's fine, I don't...
You don't mind if the story gets out about yourself?
Yeah, I have no problem with that.
Okay.
As I said, my main concern is my daughter and both my daughters, and as I said, I don't want one of these things identifying itself to her, but John and James have assured me that that won't happen.
Okay, but when you say this, The reptilian identifies itself.
That's an interesting way of wording for whatever it is they're doing.
Where did you get that concept?
Because that's what John and James told me.
I said, what are they saying to me?
I'm like, they came up to me, they grab ahold of me, they look at me, they look at me up and down, they've sniffed me a few times, and They just start rattling off stuff.
I can't comprehend it.
I don't know what they're saying.
I don't speak their language linguistically.
It just seems like absolute gibberish.
But I asked them, I said, what are they saying?
What are they doing?
They're giving you their ID and they're telling you who they are.
I'm like, okay, that's lovely, why?
I said, well, because if anybody comes in contact with us, and legitimate contact with species that have been on the circuit like they have before they left, then the normal etiquette is to come up and tell people who they are.
And it happens with greys, it happens with many, many different Extraterrestrial forms.
It's just part of the norm.
Okay.
And they said normally, unfortunately, contact with them usually also encourages it.
So if something's passing, they're going to pick up on the residual energy of the contact and they're going to come into contact and they're going to say, hey, we're just passing, this is us.
You know, we're friendly, we're hostile, or just identifying what they are, who they are.
Okay, so why do the greys tell you why the reptilians showed up and what their purpose is?
They say...
John and James tell me that the reptilians were placed here because...
Well, I shouldn't say placed here.
They came here Originally, because this was almost like a penal colony for them.
When they came here, we weren't around.
They were some of the original inhabitants, but they were very few.
They're still very few, there aren't that many of them around.
They're not limited, from what I'm told, to about 5,000.
That few.
But because of their interdimensional, if you want to put it that way, capabilities, they can be in as many places as they want to be at one time.
And unfortunately, I'm not a techie.
I have no concept of the technical aspects of any of the technology they use.
Okay.
That's above me.
That's over my head.
But why did they come...
Why did they...
First of all, you see them physically.
You're saying that they're not being interdimensional when you're seeing them.
They're actually physical, right?
Is that right?
Yes, that's correct.
And so, how did that happen?
And why...
And again, why?
Why?
Do you know?
Okay, well, first of all, I'll give you a demonstration of what I've seen them do.
Now, when they've come in contact with me, they've come through...
I haven't seen them come through a portal, but I've seen them come through and they've looked like glass.
They've looked almost see-through.
And that's when they've come into form and they've told me who they are and then they leave.
And they leave the same way.
They turn like a blue, a purple, or...
Almost invisible, and then they disappear.
So, I guess that's how they use their portals.
That's my suggestion.
Okay, so how did they emerge the first time, for example?
The first time caught me completely off guard.
And it just...
I saw it.
It was stood under a tree.
I didn't know what it was.
I thought it was just...
I just thought it was a guy.
Because it was very dark and it seemed worse.
And then I was by a lake at the time, and I looked at the lake.
When I looked back, it was on top of me.
It seemed to have moved between the tree and me in a very short period of time.
I didn't hear it.
I didn't hear it walking.
It seemed to almost glide towards me, very majestic.
And the first impression that I got that it was on top of me was I wasn't I realized that I wasn't in control of myself.
I couldn't move.
And I had this over-sensing image of power.
I felt powerful.
I felt egotistical.
I felt superior.
I can't even put it into words.
You really can't describe the feeling.
And then when I looked at this thing, I realized that I couldn't feel any fear because that had gone.
I had been completely overtaken by its emotion or its mental status that basically piled right into non-existence.
And that's when it identified itself, and as it backed away, that's when I felt my heart rate starting to beat really fast, and the fear and adrenaline started to surge into my body.
And only after it left, that's when I was terrified.
Okay.
Okay.
And so, how many times have you seen this?
Is it the same one, do you think?
I'm sorry, you broke up there.
Can you repeat that please?
How many times have you seen this creature?
Is it the same creature?
I'm sorry.
I do apologize.
Skype's really playing with me.
Can you say that one more time?
Okay.
How many times have you seen this?
How many times?
Can you hear me?
Hello?
It's still breaking out.
I hear how many times, so I assume you're saying how many times have I had reptilian encounters?
Yes.
Over 50.
Okay, and...
okay is is it the same reptilian I put in the chat Look in the chat.
Look in the chat.
No, no, okay, okay, I got you.
No, it's not the same.
It's never the same reptilian.
Well, one might have been.
No, they're very much different.
The reason why I know they're different is that the outward appearance on most of them It varies a great amount.
They're almost like fingerprints.
One never seems to be the same.
I've only ever seen one that had little horns on him around his head, and that was just one.
And some have little crests in weird places and modules, and some don't.
The eyes also vary.
They're not the same, different colors.
They all usually have the same People like slit, but I've seen some with very round peoples as well.
But they're all pretty tall.
They're all bulky.
None of them seem to be sleek.
I don't know if I've seen any females, or I can't distinguish any male or female, but I was told that their reproductive organs are also internal.
Okay, can you understand what I'm saying right now?
Yes.
Okay, so you can hear me right now?
Yes.
Okay.
Well, that's interesting.
Okay.
Has anyone else in your family seen these beings?
Yes, they have.
My father, and he would never admit it.
Then how do you know he's...
When he was growing up, He told me.
He told me one experience that he had where he was in Singapore and he walked around the corner and he bumped into a demon.
It was in the middle of the night.
He called it a demon.
And he described it and it was a perfect description of a reptilian being.
Growing up, or me growing up as a child, my dad was a very tough, very headstrong, you know, he'd go down the pub, or, you know, he'd like to go, he'd have a punch-up.
He was an alcoholic for the longest time until my mother said, look, you can stop drinking or we're going to leave you.
And he chose to stop drinking.
But...
He would not watch anything that had anything scary.
You know, he was a big, rough, tough guy, but he wouldn't watch Gremlins because it freaked him out.
He had nightmares.
Every night he'd wake up screaming.
There was anything with reptilian or demonological architecture or anything, he wouldn't touch it if it was on TV. Anything that jumped down and scared him, he just couldn't handle it.
He closed down.
A lot of it goes back to that.
My grandfather was a Freemason.
And I know that he tried to recruit my dad and my dad's brother, Rod, but they both were like, no, they were having no part of it.
They were under no circumstances.
And I know that my dad had a lot of trouble because my grandfather was a very important man in the Royal Navy.
He was like a lieutenant commander.
Both him and Rod, growing up in the Navy, had to live under his shadow.
There was a lot of unspoken tension between them.
There was a lot of problems between them.
We never actually got to the root of what that was because my grandfather died a few years ago.
My mom and dad have now split up.
My dad lives in Australia.
He moved to Australia.
And my mum lives in Plymouth in England on her own.
Okay, so originally you were telling me how you got involved in all this.
You said you met this guy, I forget his name, and he...
Devon.
I'm sorry?
Sorry, I was going to say his name, Devon.
Devon.
And he had a lot of Egyptian...
You know, stuff around his house.
Yes, that's correct.
And you talked to him, basically, you said, for one night.
So how does that connect with Camelot?
and what did that set you on a on an event sort of investigating on the things on the net or what Yes, it really did because I mean after the initial connection Devon and I only speak every three months or every six months.
Also, when I was at Devon's, he had some very good drawings of John and James.
Accurately.
Obviously, he was a graphic designer.
His art is flawless.
If I can get hold of some of his drawings, I'll be happy to send them to you as well.
But also, I began saying to myself, well, you know what?
Obviously, I'm not the only person.
There must be other people.
John and James say they talk to other people.
And I've got to find other people that can relate to this because even though you're surrounded by a family, it's still a very lonely existence living in this world with...
You know, without anybody who actually understands what you're going through or can even relate to it.
I mean, if you go down to a pub and say, oh yeah, this happened to me last night, that's it.
You're not going to make it out of their life.
So, I needed to see what other people's experiences were.
And I was just looking around.
I mean, I looked at Alex Collier's stuff for a while.
And then...
All of a sudden, Devon said he was looking into Project Serpo.
And he said, you've got to see this guy, Bill Ryan.
He's really, really good.
And he said, now he's teaming up with this lady, Carrie, and they're doing this project camera stuff.
So he's the person who's got me involved.
And then I watched one video.
The first video with Mr.
X, and then I was like, okay, well, I've got to watch the next video.
And it just sort of snowballed.
And I spent many hours in front of the In front of the computer watching Project Camelot videos with very opinions on different things.
But one thing that Devon and I agreed on was the objectivity, how everything was taken in.
It doesn't matter what you guys believed or what you guys felt was far out, whether you guys just took the information and presented it, which was Which is amazing, because not many researchers actually do that.
They take a field, they follow that field, and if there's something they don't like, they leave it alone.
I spoke to David Icke, I think it was last year, and I told him my story, I told him my experience, and he's like, yeah, he said, that's amazing, he said, that's really good.
He's like, yeah, I believe 110% of it.
He's like, but He's like, you have to understand, I'm doing my research, I'm doing my own thing.
He's like, you should write a book.
And he's like, I'll publish it.
I'm like, okay.
Cheers, Dave.
Okay.
Well, did you tell this guy, Devon, is that how you say his name?
Yes.
And, you know, again, you should tell me, Whether or not you want this...
What we can do with this thing that we're doing right here is transcribe it and then separate out the discussion about the Heather material and create you as a witness under your own name or under a false name and put your story out there because it's sufficiently interesting.
Okay.
Not so much about the grays, although the gray part is a little unusual, the way you're framing it.
But the reptilian side is much more interesting because we happen to be going down that road right now.
Yeah, I understand everybody.
There are a lot of people with grey that have been contacted.
But in terms of what we would do is transcribe it.
In other words, put it in writing.
So we wouldn't necessarily release this, if you want to call it this discussion or interview, whatever you want to call it, we wouldn't release this.
Unless you wanted us to, but what we would do is transcribe it into writing and then put it out there as a document, you know, as your experiences for people to sort of see what might be going on here.
So...
Yeah, to be honest, there will be...
Whatever better helps you guys out...
I'm pretty easy on that.
If you guys want to use this discussion slash interview, that's fine.
If you guys want to transcribe it, that's fine.
I just got to be hesitant with the head of stuff because I don't know how deep or far or how dangerous that information is.
Well, I would say it's very dangerous.
I would separate you out from that because there's no obvious relationship between what you're telling me and the Heather material.
That's right.
That's the thing.
The only connection that I've seen there is her description of the reptilian-type beings that she has seen.
Okay, I don't think that's in what you sent me so far.
Ah, really?
Yeah, I mean, you just pasted something in the chat here.
Oh, oh, okay, okay.
Um...
Oh, that's, they were talking about Project...
Did you, did I send you anything to do with Project Trident?
Yeah, and, well, it says Project Damocles.
Hmm.
Okay, I'll have to send you some more stuff on that.
Yeah, so I'll do that.
I'll send you some more information on that because I don't mind saying that she said that they had people that were being taken through the portals.
Okay, yeah, I see that, but I guess, I mean, I'm looking over it, and I don't think anywhere in here, my understanding was it was more of a robotic being that was doing that, and now you're indicating, and this project, she's calling it back to Trident, these creatures would take a man through a portal.
So maybe it's just excerpted, and prior to that she explained that the creature, she didn't talk, there's nothing that says anything about reptilian creatures, Prior to that, what it talks about prior to that is what sounds like a robotic, you know, human.
Yeah, see, the information that I have here, I mean, I don't know if I can...
I mean, I've already sent it to you in text, so it should be fine to just say, right?
Is that what she said were, it was reptilian beings, and her description We're very similar to my descriptions where they would have people go through and the reptilian beings would then pull them out if it didn't go well.
Unfortunately, apparently it's not gone well any other times.
They've had people go through with hazmat suits or special suits because there's something to do with the freezing process.
And they said that they can freeze people and bring them back, but they can't freeze people and keep them in animation, which is what they need when they go into this dimension.
Okay.
Well, it says...
Something to do with the blood boiling.
It's talking about Project Phoenix being designed to integrate human tissue with biorobotic material.
So, that must be one thing.
And then...
Yeah.
And then, again, she talks about Omega-3, so maybe she's just talking about several different programs here.
Omega-3 having to do with...
Yeah, I'm sorry, I've got to keep track, because there's like three or four different programs that she has, and she's stolen data on, and one of them is...
Discusses the problems that they're having, even with the units that go through this dimensional rift, or whatever it is, and they have a problem with things overheating when they're over there.
The reptilians, or whatever they are, don't have this problem.
But when a human being comes back, they're usually cooked microwave from the inside out.
So they said they'd solve the problem, because if they put somebody into cryogenics, They can put them through and bring them back with no problem, but they can't put them through with, well, what's the point in putting somebody through there if they're frozen and asleep?
Right.
The thing they were trying to do was keep them frozen and self-aware so they could bring data back, but they were having no luck.
They can't do it with hazmat suits, they can do it with any type of suits, and apparently the units couldn't do it either.
They just drive them.
Okay, but did this person who brought you this information, again, now you're saying, you know, there's a link up with...
Yeah, that's the only, as I said, that was the only correlation that I saw, which was with the attorneys.
But even then, it doesn't, it's still...
It doesn't directly relate to me because unless they, from the project, have actually come up and spoken to me, you know, I have no idea what they're saying anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Yeah, but what about this guy, Devon?
Does he know you're in contact with reptilians?
Yes, he does.
Thank you.
And is he also in contact with them?
He said he has been.
He is very...
He's very worried about the contact with them.
His wife's just had twins.
He's got a young boy, and his name is Sha'u.
He said that the ones that he...
The ones that I have just ID themselves to me.
The ones that he has experienced, he's only experienced three, and they've been very bad experiences.
One put him in the hospital to the point where he was unrecognizable.
He was very badly beaten.
The other one trashed his apartment, and the third one It seemed to leave an odor in his apartment everywhere that he went.
He could smell it.
And even if you go into that apartment today, you can smell it.
It smells like a reptile house if you go to the zoo.
It's horrible.
For some reason, there's something that they don't like.
John and James just said that they don't like him because he's very spiritually in tune and he's more aware than I am of what they are And what they're capable of.
So they attack him or just basically attack him because he has a general hate for them.
Now if you show them a general hate or a general frustration with them, they can pick it up.
I know that.
I know that for a fact because my last experience, the one that broke my arm, I've just watched a lot of information on the reptilians, and I know that the children that go missing, and with my daughter, I generally was pissed off at this point.
I was angry.
I don't want these things anywhere near my kids.
I don't want these things anywhere near anybody's kids or anything like that.
And I was angry.
I was angry.
And it must have fed off my anger because as I was angry, it must have known that I was angry at their race.
I don't know if it took it personally, but it got frustrated.
And that's when it started to squeeze my arm.
I was still in no control, but I remember my feelings before Before the encounters, I initially saw it, that's when I was like, not again, you know?
I just was like, this is too much.
And that's when it seemed to get really pissed off and hostile towards me.
I guess it could have done more.
But this one was in a transitional stage.
A few of them that I've seen like this have had it where they've had tufts of skin around the knees, around the elbows, around the back of the spine, where they've had tufts of skin and where the skin's dropped off or it's been very flaky, almost brittle-like.
It's not as if you can really walk up to one and just grab a piece of it, but I had a piece of the skin.
I couldn't pull away, I couldn't do anything, so it was nothing I did, but when he squeezed his hand between his knuckles, that's when a piece of the skin fell off.
Okay, um...
Okay?
Yeah, I mean...
Okay.
So...
Do you, I mean, I'm sorry, the reason I'm hesitating is because there's two directions that we can go.
One is in the direction of the Heather material, and I'm not sure if you know more about it so I can ask you more about it, or if what you know is basically sort of already been more or less told to me.
If you know more about the Heather material, we can certainly talk about that.
And then you can also send the material itself, which in her own words, I'm assuming, or in maybe the documentation, might be very useful.
But on the other hand, there's also, I'm also wondering, your friend Devon, he said you were being put in position That's right.
And that's an interesting wording.
So I'm wondering what he knows about that.
Indeed, indeed.
The thing is, he has more experience talking to John and James than I do.
He's talked to them for a very long time.
Even now, I've been talking to them Since 05, I still find their messages somewhat cryptic in some regards.
I mean, the information on themselves is all good, but if I ask them a question, I'm not allowed to ask any questions about my future.
I'm not allowed to ask anything that I might be able to impact or change.
They don't want me changing anything that I would do.
They don't want me thinking outside the box as in, You know, if I know something's going to happen, I might change what I do on that day.
Right.
They want me to just go on the path that I am.
And they said, the way they do this is also deja vu.
People, they use deja vu to help people continue with the right path they're doing.
If you have deja vu, they say that you're usually on the right path.
Well, deja vu usually gives you a glimpse of the future before it happens.
Because usually what happens during a deja vu is that the future, or what was the future, will be happening and you will realize that you'd actually seen it before.
That's right.
That's right.
And are you saying that you have this?
Yes, I have deja vu quite a lot.
But do you ever get it ahead of time?
Yes.
Yes, I have many times when I've had it ahead of time.
Okay.
But to get back...
Sorry, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
I mean, just in little instances, as if, you know, I don't know that...
If my wife's coming around the corner or I'll be Wondering what the time is.
I already know what the time is, even though before I've looked at it.
Or instances of, you know, just little things like that, like, you know, when you've done this before, or you have a conversation with somebody and you already know what they're going to say.
Yeah.
So, but this guy, Devance, who said you were being put into position, was this a reference to something that's going to happen in the future?
Yes, he said it was.
And I asked him what it was.
He says, he can't tell me that.
I'm like, well, why can't you tell me that?
You're not them.
He's like, yes, but he's got his own path.
He said, I've got my own set of rules to follow.
Now, Devon's a very interesting guy.
He actually has a brand.
It's not a tattoo.
He's got a brand on his eye.
And it's Triangle.
Actually, on your eye, if you move it to the temple, that's where he's got a brand.
Okay, where did he get it?
Because I always ask him, where did he get that?
And he said, it's spiritual.
He never tells me where he gets it.
I see.
And is he associated with the military in any way?
No, but his brother is.
As good as Iraq at the moment.
I see.
Okay, do you have any dreams in which you are involved in the military?
No.
No.
I do have a lot of dreams, though.
Unfortunately, my dreams...
I just believe they're fear dreams, at least I hope they do.
I've had lots of dreams of nuclear explosions recently.
One dream that just reoccurs, it really upsets me.
I'm on a porch upstairs, and we see something fly down into the ground, and nothing happens.
So we go and turn on the TV to see what happens, and see if there's any reports on the news.
And there's nothing.
And when I go back out, I see fire engines and people going towards the place, and then that's when it goes off.
You know, you're never caught in the initial explosion.
You just see the big cloud, and then the blast wave comes towards you.
And that's usually when I wake up, and I'm really, really upset about that.
Because I don't care if it's here or anywhere.
That's the last thing that I want to know or see or think about what even happened to me.
And I've spoken to them about that, and they won't ask me.
They won't tell me.
They won't tell me anything about that.
They just mention the same thing.
They say, your container is changed.
And did you, are you aware of, like, when you see this, you said it's repetitive dream, are you seeing it happen in a certain place, or are you not aware of where it is?
Now, the place actually changes.
One time it felt like it was in Paris.
I don't know why, but I had the distinct feeling it was in Paris.
Have you been to Paris?
Another time I was almost like in a desert, but I'm always up high somewhere, but there's a balcony.
I don't know why.
But the location changes from dream to dream.
Only twice have I had the same dream and that was in a place in the desert.
It was like the desert.
It was very dusty, you know.
Are they places you have been physically before?
Or not?
No.
Places I've never seen before.
Okay.
Okay, is there anything else you want to tell me about your side of it?
and then I'll ask you a few more things about the Heather side.
Well, we've covered a large part of it.
John and James, they...
Okay, I can speak a bit about John and James.
They don't...
They don't seem to have any emotion.
They're very emotion-free.
Now, it doesn't mean they don't have it, but they're very in control of it if they do have it.
They're very humorous.
I'm a humorful guy.
I like to joke.
Believe me, I'll try to joke with them, you know, and it just doesn't matter.
But they seem to be very serious.
They're on a mission, no doubt.
And they remain focused all times.
I don't know why, but my daughter, they seem to make my daughter laugh.
She has great fun of them.
She's in the autistic spectrum, so she does talk to people.
She talks to people.
She does maintain eye contact, but if you ask her about it, she'll explain it.
She'll say, yeah, this is what happened, this is John and James, this is what they look like.
She'll explain how they scared her first, but then...
You know, she's got to know them, so they aren't strangers.
So...
Okay.
Did you watch the video with Duncan O'Finian?
Yes, I did.
Did it affect you in any way?
Yeah, it did.
As soon as I saw Duncan...
My first initial...
I had a...
By the time I saw Duncan, I actually said to my wife, I said, there's a guy I'd like to fight.
Going back to my own fighting days.
That was my first opinion of him.
But the more I got to see his videos, the more just everything that he said seemed to resonate with me.
I understood a lot of what he was saying.
If you know what I mean.
Yeah, well, I do actually.
Duncan's quite psychic.
I might try to put you in touch with him if you're interested.
Yeah, that'd be great.
Okay.
The other side.
Go ahead.
I don't know if he goes on to the Avalon form at all.
Because I recently joined up with the Avalon Forum just to meet some of the people and see if there was anybody there I could just speak to, you know, and just share some experiences with.
I don't know if he does anymore.
I don't know if he has anything to do with that, but like I said, I can probably put you in touch.
Because I don't know why exactly, but for some reason when you're talking, describing yourself and your background, you sound like somebody Duncan might know, to be honest.
And I don't know why.
You know, I do have, you know, sometimes I'm psychic, so it could be something to do with that or it could just be, you know, some kind of connection there.
Gotcha.
Yeah, we might have met a board sometime.
There is something very, I'm not going to lie, there is something very familiar about him.
But, you know, I get that with people.
And I'm not psychic in any way at all.
I'm mostly a psychic person, but I do have the ability, if I see a face, I don't forget it.
Not even if it's, that's like a curse, because I could see someone on the bus In, you know, a year ago, and I'll see them in the shopping center, and I'll be like, I want to know you, and I'll think about it and think about, yeah, I know who that is, and then that's when I'll ring, that's when I'll place it, I'll be like, okay, that's somebody I saw on the bus a few years ago.
Okay, well, that's quite a talent.
Okay, in terms of the Heather material, is there anything there that I guess that she told you and your wife that you want to relate about that material or about what you know.
Because, like, just in case something comes along and that's all you're able to give me, are you able to give me any other information about that at this time?
The only thing that I know is the bits that I've been reading, because there's a lot of material to go through.
I'm sorry, I'm just thinking, because I'm thinking we've got a laptop, but it's really old, but I could put it on that.
It's a lot of information to get through, and mostly what I've been reading on at the moment is a pyrokinetic unit that they're trying to specifically put together.
Apparently, they were running tests last year.
They had a lot of the forest fires around, and those weren't actually natural forest fires.
Those were specific tests that had been laid out in places like California, and they're still having fires today, right?
Well, I don't know.
There are, it happens on a fairly regular basis around California.
Yeah.
I know there was some reason.
Okay.
So you're saying that was, could it be easily caused by these tests they're doing?
Yeah.
I mean, all I, as I say, when it comes to how there's information, all I have are the CDs at hand and the testimony of a very, very scared young lady.
She's a young lady.
She's a lady.
She's very, very scared.
Do you happen to know how she got involved in this?
Yeah, she always wanted to go into physics.
She was always very scientific, according to my wife.
She knew my wife before she knew me when they went to school together.
She joined the military because she wanted to help develop things within the military.
From where she went in there, She's got her background on paper.
I just listen to her story and listen to her and speak to her.
I don't really get too much involved in her past.
As I told her, I said, look, we've got the information, and my wife knows more about her.
She can talk to you a lot more about Heather than I can, because she knows more about her life.
I don't know too much about her past like that.
I just know the initial start to join the military.
She always wanted to be a scientist or a physicist, and that's it.
That's it.
So presumably she achieved some degree of what she wanted to do because it appears that she was working in a very sophisticated black program.
Do you know what job she had?
She said she was a lead specifications officer.
I don't know what that is.
Okay.
And she's still got a clearance.
She showed up all our documentation.
So, she has all her documentation.
Whether she be willing to give you guys a sample of that, I have to ask her.
What is her level of clearance that you saw?
I don't have no idea.
I don't know what level of clearance it was.
She just showed us the documentation.
She had her little passcode with three red stripes on it, and it had a barcode on the front, a barcode on the back, and...
I also had a thing where you put your thumb.
Uh-huh.
And she still has that.
She's got all of her equipment with her, so...
As I said, I'll ask her and hopefully I can just send you a picture of it.
It doesn't matter what you're going to do.
just so you can see it for yourself.
As I said, all we've got to go on with her is what she said, But she did take us out to where the building is.
And the building's there.
You've got all these houses where people are living around it, where the old airbase used to be.
And you have this one abandoned big, sticking out like a sore thumb, really ugly building where you can definitely see that there's something below it, because all the houses are around it, not on top of it.
And this is in Florida, I take it?
Yeah, this is in Orlando.
This is in Winter Park, because there used to be quite a big air force place there, but it closed down about 15 years ago.
And now they've got it.
They've got this big building, and there's nothing around it, obviously.
Florida, especially Orlando, is like a sponge, so you couldn't build buildings on where this space was.
So all around it, you've got this vacant land, and how is it all around it, like a big circle?
And it just sticks out like a sort of sponge.
Everyone always drives past and asks, well, why is that building still standing?
Why don't they just demolish it?
They demolish every other building except for this one.
Yeah, that's very interesting.
I even looked into it with the council, and the council said, well, because the building was so old, they were worried about the possibility of disease underneath it, because it was such an old building.
Did she talk about working in an underground base?
Yes.
Yes, I mean, that's where the building goes to, but you go into the building, the building goes down into the base.
Okay, and did she talk about how many floors down she would go, or anything like that?
She says there was three floors, and she was working on the second floor.
She never got to, was on the third floor, and she said it was very much Okay, well, this is all very interesting.
I appreciate that you came forward and that you want to talk about both your own information and that you're connecting us with Heather.
We're happy to talk to her directly if she wants to, but I understand that she's in hiding.
Maybe she just wants the information to, you know, get out there.
If you want to send us...
I'm sorry?
I'm sorry.
I said I'd like that.
I'd like for her to talk to you directly because she, you know, she's a lot more coherent now.
And she can, I guess, put it into better words.
I mean, she's experienced it.
As I said to her, I said, look, you're already in hiding.
They already know you've left.
You're already, you know, out there.
You really don't have too much else to lose on this one.
This could be your next step, and it could be something that could actually help you, because if you've already put the information out there, the only thing left for them to do then would just be to discredit you, and that's normally what they do, right?
Well, it depends.
I mean, If she's hidden, she puts the stuff out there.
They still could hunt her down and kill her, basically.
On the other hand, you know, it depends because if she's under a false name, then they may or may not target her.
I mean, the trouble is that surveillance is so pervasive That they could easily be listening to this conversation, for example.
Yes, I believe it's possible.
Now, is she aware of surveillance?
Yes, she is.
She won't speak on her cell phone, to be honest.
I tried to call her.
We've set her up the best we can in a room.
Which is just found from ours, because we're staying in a certain spot.
Yeah, it's better if you don't say it.
Well, you know, anybody who's listening, if anybody is listening, they already know who I am because of my immigration papers.
But she's with us, and she won't even speak on a room-to-room call.
You have to go down and literally knock on her door and speak to her.
You can't even then.
It takes a good 10 minutes to answer the door.
And she makes me take out my passport.
Even though she sees it's me, she says...
She's that...
As I said, I don't want to call it paranoia because I believe she's got a legitimate reason to be scared.
And I've never seen anybody that scared.
I mean, I've seen some things in Asia, but I've never seen anybody that terrified.
So...
It does ring alarm bells and it also does pose the issue to me, am I safe?
Is my family safe?
As I said, I've been strategically placed here.
I've had multiple encounters with this reptilian race.
I haven't been killed.
My daughter hasn't been taken away.
John and James have not abducted us or hurt us in any way, although I am aware That they do probably have their own agenda.
They all have an agenda.
But I can only go on what my intuition is telling me, and that's just to do what I'm doing and follow the path that I'm doing.
That's all any of us can really do, ultimately.
And as I said to Heather, the moment you left and you didn't go back, you made that choice to do that.
And at that point, You know, you became a target, and she knows that.
Now we have to deal with the responsibility of that result.
And I said, ultimately, if the information helps to prepare us against something that could be coming, then it's in my family's interests, in the bigger picture.
Because, as I said in the beginning of the conversation, I can't go through my life Turn my back on something just because it seems outrageous or it might be painful.
Only to have it turn around and bite me in the ass in the future and then I could have come back and said, well, if I'd only taken a stand back then, you know, I find it easier to take a stand now than to wait and wait for something bad to happen and then say, if.
Okay, well, thank you.
That's very good, straight.
Thinking and then also put your stuff under your real name if you want.
But I think you maybe should seriously also consider that and how you want to get involved in.
Because once you open that door, you can't really close it again.
So that means that Joe Blow out there because we get like a million visitors every five weeks now to our site.
So that means that You're going to be on the radar of not only agencies and so and so forth, but you're going to be on the radar of average, crazy people out there, whoever they might be.
I'll be honest with you, I've actually already met one.
Not met personally, but I've been in contact with a guy that seems to have some incredible information.
So I just wanted to speak to him, you know, You know, I don't give out any information as right where I am, but some of the things that he was coming out with, just...
You know, I don't like...
Now, I'll say my story, my experience is very...
It could seem crazy to the average person, but, you know, I'm willing to take anybody's information and take it on...
If they say, that's that, then, you know, everybody has an experience that comes from somewhere.
But this one was just gone.
He was done.
Okay.
Well, yeah, so people, like I said, will come out of the woodwork.
So you just need to really be sure that you want us to publish this stuff in your name.
And the other thing is, like I have you on Skype, so I don't know if I have any emails from you.
Did you also send the emails?
Yes.
My email address, I never put my own email address.
I always put my alias.
Okay.
Thank you so much, and we'll talk again, okay?
Yeah, it's been a pleasure.
Thank you for listening.
Absolutely.
Take care of yourself.
Okay, thank you.
And you too, because I understand also there's a lot of There's a lot of problems going on.
I heard what happened to Mary Ann Delacato.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Well, she's better now, but yeah, there's all kind of craziness going on out there.
Yeah.
All right, well, anyway, you take care.
I hope you feel much better anyway.
Thank you.
All right.
I'll talk soon, okay?
Bye-bye.
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