PBD - Patrick Bet-David - Charlie Kirk Killer’s Texts, Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman & Musk Calls For Destiny's Arrest

Sept. 17, 2025 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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Charlie Kirk Killer’s Texts, Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman & Musk Calls For Destiny's Arrest | PBD

Patrick Bet-David, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick are joined by Eric Bolling as they cover the revealing texts from Charlie Kirk’s alleged killer, Candace Owens’ clash with Bill Ackman, and Elon Musk calling for streamer Destiny’s arrest amid their controversial online debate. ------ 🇺🇸 GET THE USA COLLECTION. 100% OF USA MERCH SALES WILL BE DONATED TO TURNING POINT USA: https://bit.ly/46fEYWJ Ⓜ️ JOIN THE PBD PODCAST CIRCLES COMMUNITY: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: https://bit.ly/4kJ71lc 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 📰 VTNEWS.AI: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: https://bit.ly/3TEWlZQ 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! TIME STAMPS: 00:00 - No intro. 02:41 - Topics on today's podcast. 06:15 - 🇺🇸 GET THE USA COLLECTION. 100% OF USA MERCH SALES WILL BE DONATED TO TURNING POINT USA: https://bit.ly/46fEYWJ 07:31 - Shocking poll shows which political party approves of violence. 26:33 - Jamie Lee Curtis gets emotional discussing Charlie Kirk. 30:13 - Behind the scenes at TP USA after Charlie's death. 50:34 - Ana Kasparian destroys Destiny over Charlie Kirk's death. 55:26 - Tyler Robinson texts released. 1:14:50 - People celebrate Charlie Kirk's death. 1:19:31 - Candace Owens vs Bill Ackman over Charlie Kirk's death. 2:09:04 - Kash Patel battles everyone on Capitol Hill. SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @ValuetainmentComedy @theunusualsuspectspodcast @HerTakePod @bizdocpodcast ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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	Gang, great to be on with you.
	We got Eric Bowling in the house, and we got a lot of story to cover with you guys.
	And the interesting thing about Eric is, Eric, you sit on the board of Turning Point USA, and you have to announce the assassination attempt and the assassination when he died live while you were doing your show.
	Yep.
	Yep, it was live.
	We came on.
	I came on around 3.45.
	My show is 4 to 5 every day on Real America's Voice.
	Charlie's show is on in the morning.
	And so I take over after Charlie.
	Bannons later.
	About 3.45, we'd known he'd been shot, and everyone in the world said they rushed from the hospital.
	They have a pulse in the hospital.
	Right before I went on air, Patrick, I looked at a video.
	I saw the video.
	You know, there's a lot of deep fakes and you have to make sure.
	But then I saw a second angle of the same shot.
	And the second one was really close up, really graphic.
	And right then and there, I said to the producers, I'm going to have to announce that Charlie's dead.
	Because when you see that video, you realize he didn't even make it to the ambulance or to the SUV.
	So we're going along and we come up on the show at 3.45, 4 o'clock, 4.13 or so.
	We're waiting for any news to come in.
	I see the owner of Rav walking up and down the hallway, Rob Sigan, and he's distressed.
	And he was the one who told me there was a heartbeat and he was very positive.
	He's like, let's pray on this.
	Let's hope this works out.
	I saw him pretty distressed.
	And he had one of the producers walking behind him.
	I don't want to say who it was.
	And I looked at him and I said, and he went like, you said this.
	He nods his head.
	No.
	And then I did the thing with the neck and the thumb down.
	He said, yes.
	I'm like, oh, now this is while someone's talking.
	So I have to ask the group, has anyone confirmed this on air?
	Has anyone confirmed this?
	And sure enough, John Solomon had gotten off our shot, got a word from, I guess, the FBI, because he's very close to the FBI, folks, that Charlie Kirk had passed.
	He was dead.
	It was a confirmation.
	It was the first confirmation.
	And the guy said, yep, yep, they just got in touch with Solomon.
	It's true.
	So we announced the death of the actual death of the assassination, death of Charlie Kirk on air at 4.13, 414 on Wednesday.
	You know, there are certain moments in life where you'll remember where you were at.
	I remember when 9-11 happened.
	I was working at Morgan Sandy Dean with her 6 o'clock in the morning in Glendale.
	I remember Kobe.
	I remember Charlie Kirk.
	These are moments you're going to remember for the rest of your life when these events took place.
	But we got a lot of things to go through here today.
	And there's even a few stories on the inside that's come out.
	The one thing I do want to tell you guys, the exchange going back and forth.
	Yesterday, Kash Patel was up there.
	He went after Adam Schiff.
	Then he had a moment with Booker, I believe, Corey Booker, which is a very special moment.
	Beautiful moment.
	But there's also a moment with Kennedy where Kennedy asked him a question saying, what happened to the Epstein files?
	We're going to play all those three clips for you.
	There's a back and forth with Candace and Bill Ackman, Bill Ackman, billionaire Candice Owens calling him out about a meeting that took place in the Hamptons with influencers and potentially Netanyahu offering $150 million to Charlie Turning Point USA, which allegedly he turned down.
	We'll talk about that and I'm sure, Eric, you got some things you want to say about that.
	A fellow was on CNN, which we have to play this clip.
	He did such a phenomenal job.
	Abby asks him a question saying, do you think it's fair that so many people on the right want to get these people to get fired?
	And then he gives a stat from YouGov.
	And she normally she interrupts.
	She's famous for interrupting everybody.
	And all of a sudden, she doesn't know what to say.
	And so afterwards, we went and looked up what that study was.
	You have to see the difference about how the far right versus the far left.
	What does the far right, the very conservative, want to see happen to somebody opposing side versus what does the far left want to see happen to somebody that disagrees with you politically?
	This is not a Fox poll.
	This is not a Breibart poll.
	This is a yougv poll that validates what a lot of people who are conservative are saying about this.
	So you have to see this.
	And by the way, that whole tweet with Elon Musk retweeted one of the tweets I put up with, what do you call it?
	It's tough to debate.
	That validates what Elon was sharing about a guy that I think you gave me that picture, the guy that says everybody keeps going to the left and everyone stayed on the same side.
	We'll talk about that.
	And again, more stories with Charlie.
	We'll talk about that.
	Illinois TV anchor resigns after suspension over an on-air Charlie Kirk tribute.
	Jamie Lee Curtis, who is probably not on the same page as Charlie.
	I even think you said...
	She's a trans kid.
	Trans kid was very emotional about what happened there.
	She has a soul, Pat.
	She actually has a soul.
	You got to respect that.
	100%.
	A couple of things that happened.
	Charlie Kirk, Elon Musk posted something about Destiny, that Destiny needs to get arrested or something like that.
	And him and Hassan Piker, I want to get your thoughts on this as we get closer to it.
	Vinny, I know you've got a lot of stuff to say about that, and we'll have that up to go through.
	This is the who is Steve Bonell, which I think that's— Steve Bonell is—I don't like saying the D word because I don't play that fantasy crap.
	His name is Steve or Steven, whatever the hell is it.
	Got it.
	Okay.
	And then a few things with TikTok stories coming up.
	NYPD warns of further violence in the wake of Charlie Kirk, United Healthcare CEO killing.
	And if you guys didn't see the celebration with what happened with Luigi Mangioni, how the guys were celebrating outside, we have to play that clip and react to it.
	Couple things with Russia and Ukraine.
	Trump ready to hit Moscow with major sanctions.
	Elon bought back a billion dollars worth of Tesla shares.
	The stock went up and Russia losing the Ukraine war.
	We got a few other stories here.
	Robert Redford, incredible actor, died at the age of 89 years old yesterday.
	He was in one of my favorite movies, Indecent Proposals, as well as the old school, Greg Gatsby, a legend, may he rest in peace, no longer with us.
	And we got a few other things that we'll go through as well.
	But one thing I do want to tell you guys that happened on Monday.
	On Monday, I told you guys, any USA merch you buy, 100% of the proceeds, not proceeds, not the profit, not the gross profits.
	Whatever you buy, 100% will go to Turning Point USA.
	And within 24 hours, we sold $100,000 worth.
	So we're announcing today that we're sending $100,000 to Turning Point USA.
	We sent it to them yesterday.
	It was wired over to them yesterday.
	It should hit again either yesterday or today, but we're continuing again today.
	So anybody who didn't participate, just so you know, that $100,000 went because of you.
	You guys chose to do this.
	So respect to all of you.
	But we're doing it again.
	And we even added a couple new shirts there just in memory of Charlie.
	This is one that says live free with the American flag.
	And if you zoom in on the American flag, you'll see future looks bright on it right there.
	And then there's a ton of other items.
	Team USA, if you love America, if you love Charlie, if you want to find a way to collectively contribute to Turning Point USA, 100% of whatever you purchase here today, any one of these items you purchase on a USA collection, 100% of it will go to Turning Point USA.
	And we'll give that update again on what that looks like between now and Friday.
	So to everybody that did that, salute to you.
	All right, let's get right into it.
	Rob, can you pull up the Dear Abby clip?
	You know which one I'm talking about.
	Abby from CNN.
	So Abby from CNN has this gentleman on.
	I want to get his name correctly.
	Who is he, by the way?
	Eric, do we know who I know his face.
	I know his face.
	I don't know his name.
	Can we zoom in on the name, Rob?
	It's former Representative Joe Joran.
	I know Joe, bro.
	Yeah, New York.
	So, New York State rep Joe Borrelli, she's asking him if it's fair that the right is wanting to get people on the left to get canceled.
	And he brought some receipts.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	This is about punishing them, them being the left, them being his political opponents.
	That actually, I think, is surprising to a lot of Americans because that's not typically what you would expect to hear from the White House afterwards.
	Well, let's talk about some polling that he used to justify those comments before he made them on TV.
	YouGov came out with a poll three days ago talking about how each side feels about violence in support of political deaths.
	Liberals, 16%, believe it's okay to feel joy when your political opponent is killed.
	Liberals, very liberals, 24%.
	Conservatives, 4%, very conservatives, 3%.
	Justifying violence.
	Very liberal people have 25% answered, yes, it's okay.
	You justified that it should do violence against your political opponents.
	Liberals, 17%.
	Conservatives, 8%, and very conservatives, 3%.
	That means it is 6 to 1 times more likely in respondence to this poll on the left.
	Now, I'm not saying there's exclusivity on the left.
	I'm not saying that.
	But there is certainly a problem where six times the amount of Republicans believe that it's okay to joy when your political opponent is killed, murdered, whatever, attacked.
	And that six to one believe that they are okay in justifying violence against political opponents.
	That's a problem.
	That's a cancer within the movement.
	Okay, so that's that.
	Now, let's go to the study that he's quoting.
	So if you want to go to the study that we have, if you can go all the way to the top so people can see the other way around, so people can see where it's at.
	It's youGov, okay, that's doing this study.
	What Americans really think about political violence.
	So let's go through a couple of the polls, Rob.
	And then, Eric, I'm going to come to you.
	Go a little bit lower, go a little bit lower, lower, lower, lower.
	All right, so what's this first one say?
	Most Americans say political violence is a very big problem or somewhat of a problem.
	And you'll see there, you know, a very big problem, not a problem.
	Democrats, a very big problem, 58.
	Independents, 54, but Republicans, 67, a very big problem.
	On the ages, you see as you get older, it's a bigger problem.
	The younger, it's not really a problem.
	So let's go to the next question on what they looked up.
	No, keep going to the next one, Rob.
	Keep going to the next one.
	Go to the next one.
	Go to the next one.
	Keep going, keep going, keep going.
	All right, this one here.
	Most Americans say it's unacceptable to be happy about public figures' deaths, but younger and more liberals are likely to call it acceptable.
	So if you look at this question, do you generally consider it acceptable or unacceptable for a person to be happy about the death of a public figure they oppose?
	So if you look at the very liberal, look at the very liberal.
	America, U.S. adults, 8% says acceptable.
	Okay.
	77% say unacceptable.
	But look at the political ideology.
	Very liberal, 24% say it's acceptable.
	Liberal, 10%.
	Moderate, 7%.
	Conservative, 4%.
	Rob, can you click on the very conservative so people can see that number?
	That's 3% if you just click on it.
	So check this out.
	The far left and the far right, that's how you would look at it, right?
	The far left, eight times more okay with a person on the opposing side to get killed and experience violence than the other way around.
	The age makes sense as we go through.
	And then there's more things, Rob, if you can put the link below, put it actually in PBD podcast circle with the notes.
	So if people want to go get it, we'll put that link in a PBD podcast circle.
	Eric, when you see this, what do you think about this poll?
	If you look at the very liberal and liberal versus very conservative and conservative, it's almost six times, and you eliminate the middle area.
	There's no question that the left is the party of violence.
	Patrick, it was probably five months ago.
	The left, the liberal, I cannot remember, maybe Hakeem Jeffries, some prominent left figure, elected official, said the Democrat Party has been too soft.
	We lost the election.
	We've been too soft.
	Trump is doing what he wants to do.
	We need to get tougher.
	We need to fight the way Trump got fight.
	And from that moment on, it was almost like the door swung open for liberals and the liberal media to call anyone on the right, specifically Trump, Hitler, and everyone who follows Trump Nazis, but anyone who supported him was part of this fascist movement.
	So they started calling conservatives fascists because of their love of Donald Trump.
	And they said, fight.
	We need to fight harder.
	Liberal, fascism, Hitler, Nazi, Nazi youth.
	What do you think you're going to do?
	You have a certain percentage of the population who are lunatics anyway.
	And those are dog whistles, not even dog whistles.
	Those are megaphones to these folks to say, okay, the people I admire, the liberals on the top of the food chain, tell me it's okay and I need to be more angry and take matters into my own hands.
	Of course you're going to.
	And I will tell you, Patrick, I am convinced you can call the FCC, call whoever you want.
	I am convinced that the trans community, there is something medically wrong here, right?
	So if you're taking these drugs to change your gender, hormone replacements, gender replacement therapies, I believe it affects your cognitive abilities and your decision-making abilities.
	If I have to have, if I have a medical marijuana card in the state of Florida, I can't get an open carry license, right?
	Because the authorities believe if you're high on weed, you might not have the same judgment as if you're not.
	Also, if I've been put into any sort of mental institution, I can't get an open carry.
	Why?
	Because some of the drugs you take may affect your decision-making process.
	Why aren't gender dysphoria or gender changing drugs, why aren't they scheduled the same way?
	Why should a trans person be able to get a gun when I couldn't define it?
	I'm fully with you there.
	Yeah, I'm fully with you.
	Vinny, where are you at with this?
	I agree 100%.
	And it's a beautiful, by the way, Pat, beautiful clip.
	Because you know, because with all Adam, at this point, we all know you're listening to you.
	Get in there, you're coming.
	You're sneaking in like a five-year-old.
	Nobody knows you're late.
	Come grab a seat.
	Everybody, Adam Saxon.
	And what drives me crazy, because you make a great point with this whole trans thing, because there's no secret.
	This kid allegedly had a boyfriend.
	The boyfriend was a furry, trans trying to transition person.
	It's how many more times, how many more instances have to happen for us to wake up and actually call it for what it is?
	And it's a great thing, Pat, because the left is trying to make it seem like, because if I had to assume this transgender person was probably telling his boyfriend, hey, Charlie's the enemy.
	Charlie hates us.
	Charlie wants us dead.
	And there's a clip, Rob, that I sent.
	Did you see the exchange of Charlie speaking with the trans boy or girl?
	Whatever the hell was going on, Rob.
	I think I sent it to you earlier in the week.
	I got it.
	Where tell me this isn't compassion.
	Tell me this isn't love and Christianity and him trying to find out what's wrong with you.
	Can we play this clip now?
	Go ahead, Rob.
	What age should kids be able to get things like hormone therapy?
	Because I don't know what's true, what's not.
	Tell me, are you comfortable telling me your story?
	I've known that since like third grade.
	And I'm currently 19, almost 20.
	I've known basically since then, I didn't start going by like a different name until seventh and eighth grade.
	I just don't know, like with the met like the whole medical stuff, like what's true, what's not, what's helpful, because I've heard so many different opinions.
	First off, thank you so much for that.
	Yeah, of course.
	I'm going to have an opinion that very few people will ever tell you, which is I want you to be very cautious putting drugs into your system in the pursuit of changing your body.
	I instead encourage you to work on what's going on in your brain first.
	I think what you need first and foremost is just a diagnosis, just someone that is going to listen to what you've gone through, listen to what else is going on.
	My prayer for you, and again, very few people will say this: I actually want to see you be comfortable in how you were born.
	Yeah, I know that you might not feel that way, but I think that is something that you can achieve.
	I think that with the right team, very noble love and positivity.
	But the left that you were talking about, Eric, what?
	And I'm sick and tired.
	I'm sick and tired of them using examples like, well, you guys, and they brought up the one where Tim Wallace, the guy that, who was the guy that started shooting those two people in con you know what I'm talking about?
	St. Louis.
	They were like, they were like, they were Trump.
	No, no.
	The guy was a Tim Wallace appointee.
	He actually said, he said, Tim Walz, he might have been crazy, hired me to go kill Amy Klobuchar.
	Can you verify if we're talking about the same thing?
	I say this isn't St. Louis.
	It's a different one that you're talking about, man.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Rob, there was a shooting where Tim Walt.
	The Congress shooting.
	The Congress shooting.
	They went to two separate places, male and female.
	But it's just, when are we going to stop pretending, number one?
	And you can talk about Minnesota.
	I think it was Minnesota here.
	Let's do this.
	So I guess, Vinny, the part we were talking about is 3% far left, 20% far right.
	Far left is 24%.
	Far right, 3%, right?
	Now, here's a question.
	Yesterday I'm on, Mario Nafal has me on, and Mario Nafal does a phenomenal job on himself.
	And he asked me a question.
	He says, What do you think should happen?
	We believe in free speech.
	He says, I'm in Dubai right now.
	We believe in free speech.
	Shouldn't these guys be able to say what they're saying?
	Like Hassan Piker, Rob, if you want to put up what Hassan Piker said, he's a streamer.
	He gets a lot of eyeballs.
	I believe he's related to Jank.
	I think it's his nephew or something like that.
	And Hassan is also another one of those great communicators.
	Oh, yeah.
	But he also knows how to increase the temperature.
	And he is sitting there saying, I want to see the blood.
	I don't know if you saw that one.
	There's two clips.
	One is him.
	And that's the one right there, Rob.
	I think that's the one.
	That's nine seconds.
	Play this clip here, Rob.
	Kill those motherfuckers and murder those motherfuckers in the street.
	Let the streets, let the streets soak in their fucking red capitalist bloods, dude.
	Kill them.
	Okay.
	So, okay.
	By the way, can you find out where he said that?
	That's on what stream, Robbie?
	Yeah, I just want to know what stream.
	Well, that's on Twitch because down here it says twitch.tv backslash Hassan Abbey.
	So perfect.
	So that's Twitch, right?
	So that means if it's still up and he's still active on Twitch, Twitch is okay with that, which, by the way, that's Twitch's policies.
	And then they have suspended him for saying stupid stuff, but then he comes right back on.
	Okay.
	So, and is that him on Twitch?
	Yeah.
	3 million followers on Twitch.
	Okay.
	And then at the same time, Destiny, who is name is, what's his name?
	Steve Bonell or something like that?
	Yeah.
	So Steve Bonell, story comes out.
	Who is Steve Bonell?
	Destiny facing backlash after you refuse to condemn Charlie Kirk's assassination.
	And I think this is the one with Anna Kasparian.
	I think Anna Kasparian handled it like a pro, not only a pro, like a noble human being.
	Is that the one, Rob?
	So there's two.
	The first one is this one right here where Destiny says that Charlie Kirk would still be alive today if Donald Trump wasn't elected to assassination.
	Go for it.
	I think that liberals need to wake up and finally realize that if they're not willing to do it, it will never come down.
	If you wanted Charlie Kirk to be alive, Donald Trump shouldn't have been president for the second term.
	Every time he's in office, this happens.
	People joked about when Biden came in.
	It was so boring.
	Nothing was going on.
	Seven out of 10 of the largest protests in American history have happened under Donald Trump.
	Under Donald Trump, okay, so that's that part.
	And the question becomes: why?
	I can be a billionaire.
	Let's just call me Jorge.
	I can be a billionaire and have a lot of money, and I can pay people to do protests to make it seem like there's a lot of chaos and blame it on the president.
	That's very easy to do.
	And then I can have a guy named Joseph who can become the leader and make him seem like everything is peaceful, but nobody around the world respects us, and wars are happening all over the place.
	Which of the two would you rather prefer?
	Optics is it and manipulation works.
	What is the other clip right here?
	Do you have the one with Elon Musk, the tweet?
	Yes.
	And then the other clip that I also have is him refusing to denounce the killing of Charlie Kirk.
	Is that a Elon Musk response to Destiny right here?
	Okay, so if you just saw Destiny endorse political violence today, be advised that this is not a one-time thing and it's not new.
	Okay, Elon Musk says, let him say what he wants, but then also pay the price under the law.
	I don't think this jackass should be banned, but Amazon should stop paying him to incite murder.
	That's insane.
	Separately, incitement to murder and domestic terrorism is a felony crime.
	For that, he should go to prison.
	He can resume streaming when he has served his term.
	Vinny, thoughts on this?
	And Rob, can you go?
	Because yesterday, Destiny trying to play the freaking Steve tried to play the victim, and he's like, Elon got me banned from Twitch.
	Somebody fact-checked him.
	He was banned in March 2022.
	Can you find out, first of all, he's a liar, Pat?
	And in regard to his character as a human being, he's being sued right now for a girl that me and Adam know, excuse me, about putting a video up on her and it spread the porn sites.
	But that's a whole different situation.
	But know who you're talking about, Rob.
	And this is it, Rob.
	He said, unreal, other conservative, Elon Musk and other conservatives got me banned from Twitch.
	This is Reader's Added Context.
	That's from March 2022.
	Stop playing the victim, Steven.
	And then, Rob, go to the clip, please, that I sent you.
	He posted a video, he recounted, this is an older clip, but he recounted a near-murder plot against a rival gamer.
	I guess a rival gamer conducted a DDoS attack on him.
	Listen to what he says.
	Rob, keep going down.
	No, down, down, down the other way.
	It's the Destiny one.
	Up, up, up.
	Is that it?
	I don't see it.
	I'm sorry.
	It's a clip of him.
	I'm going to send it to Rob where he's literally calling for the murder.
	And this is to answer your question.
	You can have all the free speech you want all day.
	The moment you say, go kill them, or you say, I'm going to go kill and I want to kill.
	That's the line in the sand.
	And that's where the law has to get involved.
	You can go say whatever you want.
	F Donald Trump.
	We're Nazis, whatever.
	The consequences legally, because we're not going to go there and kill you and shoot you like the left does.
	There has to be consequences.
	And while you guys are talking, I'm going to send it to Rob because I have it.
	Adam, your thoughts, because you've spent time with Destiny.
	Yeah, I know Destiny very well.
	He's very informed.
	He's well-spoken.
	He's not an idiot, but he is very cold and callous.
	You know, sometimes when you're going to make your name on the internet, on YouTube, you have to have almost no shame and honestly, like tune out the noise and not even care what people think.
	And sometimes that's a good sign.
	On the other hand, at some point, you become completely apathetic.
	You have zero emotion.
	You have no feelings anymore.
	You become cold.
	You become unremorseful.
	And coldness is not a sign of strength.
	It's actually a sign of weakness.
	So you'll minimize people's pain.
	You'll gaslight.
	You don't care.
	So to be clear, not an idiot.
	You don't get to where he is with millions of followers.
	Has he been demonetized?
	I don't know where he's at.
	I know he's dealing with it.
	I don't.
	Here's what I've realized.
	How in the world can you get demonetized for saying, I think the election was stolen?
	Get demonetized for something as innocuous as that, and yet call for the murder or call for violence against the opposite side and still continue to thrive on these social media platforms.
	The owners of those platforms have some explaining to is what you're saying, right?
	Clearly, but here's what I've realized about the far, far, far left.
	And I wouldn't even put Destiny at the far left.
	We witnessed this when you were doing the Jubilee debate.
	Were those people stupid?
	Were they uninformed?
	Were they idiots?
	They were actually well-spoken, smart, quick, but all their energy was just put in the wrong place.
	You know, they spend years of their lives just trying to double down on anti-America, anti-capitalist tendencies.
	There were people there that were citing things we've never even heard of.
	And at the end of the day, you can just ask these people one question.
	Here's the biggest differentiator: Do you love America or do you hate America?
	And you'll find that the people that support Charlie Kirk love America.
	Here's what I want to ask.
	I want to ask this.
	Okay, Rob, is this the clip where he says what he says about what should happen to Trump supporters?
	Yeah, promoted and encouraged political violence towards conservatives.
	Go ahead, play that.
	Crime statistics?
	No, not exactly like I need.
	You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature.
	That is the issue is right now, they don't feel like there's any fear.
	Like, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It's like memes.
	It's just memes to everybody, I guess.
	I don't know, bro.
	I don't know.
	I don't care.
	I'm playing video games.
	Okay.
	I'm done today.
	I don't give a fuck.
	It's going to be so fucking gay if I get killed in the next week.
	He felt it.
	Then he says, I don't know.
	I'm going to play video games.
	Yeah, but that's the definition of fascism right there.
	Intimidation, fear of death for what you say.
	That is literally the definition.
	And they want to call, hey, fascist catch was engraved on the bullet casing that killed Charlie Kirk.
	They want to call the right fascists.
	They are there, literally on the road to fascism, if not already there.
	Can I address the video game thing?
	Because the first time I had Destiny on my show, I said, What's your obsession with video games?
	Like, why are kids so obsessed with video games?
	He goes, You don't play video games?
	I go, not at all.
	I go, I got out there and touch grass.
	I play in the real world.
	There is a common theme here, and I'm not generalizing.
	The far left will play video games and act tough.
	The people on the right actually have the guns and actually go to gym and actually are tough.
	But they don't overuse their authority because if there were a fight and I'm not encouraging this at all, what do you think would happen if the right and the left actually clashed with guns and fights and fists?
	It wouldn't be close.
	Nobody wants that.
	But let's not twist it.
	The people on the right have a lot more common sense and a lot more restraint and a lot more power.
	And they don't use it.
	I found it, Palma Senator.
	I'm going to senator Timbo.
	Yeah, please, please keep considering.
	Look, while this is going on, okay, this isn't everybody, folks.
	Nope.
	I don't want to make it seem like Jamie Lee Curtis and Charlie Kirk are not on the same page.
	Okay.
	Jamie Lee Curtis, wasn't she in that one movie with Arnold?
	True lies.
	True lies, right?
	Here's Jamie Lee Curtis.
	We can't play the whole thing.
	Do you know which parts the bat where she starts to get emotional?
	Charlie Christ was killed two days ago.
	Everybody keeps saying Chris, but there's something I just call him Chris of Christ because of his deep, deep belief.
	I mean, I disagreed with him on almost every point I ever heard him say.
	Yeah.
	Really?
	But I believe he was a man of faith.
	And I hope in that moment when he died that he felt connected to his faith, even though I find what he his ideas were abhorrent to me.
	Yeah.
	I still believe he's a father and a husband and a man of faith.
	I hope whatever connection to God means that he felt it.
	Yesterday was 9-11.
	You can pause it right now.
	And you notice how she still has a soul.
	By the way, she's still here, but her soul knows that killing him is wrong.
	She says it.
	I didn't agree with 99%.
	Obviously, trans kin, all that.
	But your heart, your soul.
	But I think it's important, Finney, in times like this. to not only show the bad and the ugly, to inspire that.
	You don't have to agree and can still give a message like that.
	There was a girl that works at Illinois TV Anchor, okay?
	Resigns after suspension over an on-chair tribute that she gave.
	You saw this one, I'm sure.
	This lady's out there like giving a tribute to Charlie, and all of a sudden they're like, hey, man, you can't do that.
	What do you mean I can't do that?
	Benny Ray Harmony, an anchor for WICS News Channel 20 and ABC affiliate in Springfield, resigned Monday after being suspended for this.
	Go ahead, Rob.
	Thank you so much for tuning into Marketplace today.
	So I want to talk about something for a minute, and it is heavy, so please bear with me.
	I want you to know that it's okay if you feel sadness.
	It's okay if you're grieving.
	Two days ago, I lost a mentor, my first boss, the first person who made me believe in myself that encouraged me to chase this dream that you're watching right now, Charlie Kirk.
	There's a lot going on in our world right now and our country, but I want to say one thing.
	Lean on your neighbors.
	Speak up for what you believe in.
	I don't care what it is.
	I want to share with you one of my favorite sayings that Charlie would always tell us at the office.
	He would yell it from the mountaintop.
	So please listen.
	When conversations stop happening, when individuals become wordless, that's when violence begins.
	So if you do one thing today, make it be with passion, with conviction, stand up for your friends, stand up for your beliefs, and speak loudly, even if your voice shakes.
	Your words have meaning.
	Your values have purpose.
	Never forget that.
	Good for you, Benny Ray.
	You can pause it right now.
	She got suspended for that.
	She got suspended for that.
	After she got suspended, she resigns.
	And this is her statement on X. My resignation is guided by values that are essential to who I am, which I refuse to set aside in order to keep a job.
	I chose my faith and love of country and always will.
	And that's how she left.
	Good for her.
	And she left this place.
	Good for her.
	Eric, you sat on the board.
	You sit on the board.
	And you've spent a lot of time with the folks at Turning Point USA.
	I have.
	You've spent a lot of time with those guys.
	Yeah.
	So walk me through what we don't see.
	Walk me through what the people didn't see.
	Maybe explain.
	You're touching on something extremely shocking for me, powerful for probably the country and the world, Patrick.
	You're touching on something.
	We knew Charlie passed on Wednesday at 4.13 last week.
	By the time I got home, the outpouring from everywhere started, right?
	So 7 o'clock at night, 8 o'clock at night.
	The next day, we wake up and we're in the news business.
	Now, Charlie was a colleague.
	He was a friend.
	I'm on the board of TPUSA.
	I've worked with them since they launched in 2012, 2013 ballpark.
	That's when I joined their advisory board.
	I will tell you, you don't realize the reach that this man had.
	900 schools, right?
	Right.
	As of the day he was assassinated.
	38,000 schools looking to open up chapters around the world, people celebrating.
	You should do that, your shirts and your merch.
	Do a hashtag, I am Charlie Kirk.
	You will kill it.
	Everyone right now is hashtagging, I am Charlie Kirk.
	What happened was when you take a young man, 31 years old, a man who's married with a beautiful family, very Christian, very spiritual, very successful, but he was assassinated in cold-blood daylight at a college campus where our young people are learning to become adults to see that, to experience that, and then to have it broadcast around the world in seconds, his murder, the violent nature of his passing.
	It was, it was a moment.
	It was a historic moment.
	You pointed this out.
	You remember where you were when JFK, etc.
	We will all remember where we were when Charlie Kirk was assassinated because no one saw the depth and reach of Charlie Kirk until now.
	Because I think people who didn't even really like Charlie or conservatism realized, hey, it doesn't matter what he believes in as far as the Bible.
	It matters what type of person he was.
	He was a good person.
	And everyone said that could be me.
	That could be me or my wife or my son or my daughter.
	We all associated ourselves with that moment right there.
	And it will be a profound, profound moment.
	Turning Point USA will be the biggest political entity for the very, very foreseeable future, in my opinion.
	It'll blow away any sort of RNC, CPAC.
	Nothing will come close to Turning Point USA going forward.
	Yeah, and it's interesting you're saying that.
	They've seen a surge in applications.
	The organization, Turning Point USA, says, you just said it right now.
	37,000 new applications to start new chapters in schools across U.S. during a tribute episode of Charlie Kirk Show with Vice President JD Vance.
	Kirk's executive producer says Kirk dreamed of having chapters in every high school in the country.
	And it looks like that dream is becoming a reality.
	And I'm sure he's watching it from above, seeing this become a reality, what he did.
	The positive impact.
	I'm talking to one of the guys that runs the TPUSA.
	We're having a call yesterday.
	He's the number two guy.
	And he says, you know, Charlie would always, we would talk and we would say, how big do you think our reach really is?
	And he says, honestly, we would joke.
	We're like, I don't know if we're as big as we think we are.
	And he's telling me this.
	He says, I don't know if we're as big as we think we are.
	I don't know.
	He said, he said, it's amazing that this had to happen for us to realize how massive the reach was.
	Sometimes when you're in it, you don't understand what's really going on.
	Patrick, I'm in it.
	We do this.
	We analyze media.
	We analyze politics.
	No one saw the reach.
	Young people from around the world, around the world are saying, it's just not right what happened.
	I don't like what they did.
	I have to at least explore what this is.
	So I want to ask you a question.
	So this is a question I want to ask you guys as we're going through this, because if you noticed, the 24% very left, the 3% very conservative, okay?
	It's okay.
	Political violence, it's not okay, right?
	I'm not with it.
	No, no, we can disagree.
	And you're watching this going on.
	The question then becomes the following.
	Why Charlie Kirk?
	Okay.
	And who are other Charlie Kirks that we have today?
	I got a weird phone call a couple of days ago and them saying, hey, we just want you to know, you know, there are certain names that people are looking at.
	You're on a top 50 list.
	Just increase the temperature, increase your protection around you.
	Great, no problem.
	To me, the way I live my life, I like people.
	I'm around.
	I'm not somebody that, you know, I'll go to a restaurant by myself and my family and I'll talk to anybody and everybody very comfortable with it.
	However, while they're saying this, I sit down and I think about previous case studies when this happened.
	Is this it?
	Because if you go in the 60s and you look at the timeline of 60s, There was a family that was coming up where people were afraid of, and they were worried they may be running the White House for 20 years.
	There was sincere fear of that happening.
	And it wasn't just from the right, it was also from the left.
	LBJ, not a fan of the guy, the way he became a president is a very interesting way how he became a president.
	Okay.
	And we've read the stories.
	We all know the books.
	We've known Roger Stone.
	We've known the mistress that he had.
	We've watched the videos, what she said.
	If you're in the space, you know what LBJ's role was in this.
	So John F. Kennedy gets assassinated November 22nd, 63.
	Martin Luther King gets assassinated April 4th of 68.
	Two months later, after Martin Luther King gets assassinated, June 5th, two months later, 68, RFK gets assassinated.
	You're talking about John F. Kennedy, MLK, RFK, within a five-year period, four and a half-year period.
	This happens.
	Then there was a what?
	Shutting down of the temperature till, can we say Reagan assassination attempt that took place, what, 20 years later, whatever the timeline was, 20-something years later, right?
	When Reagan went through it.
	So to me, as I'm watching this, let's look at the case study.
	What does John F. Kennedy, RFK, and what does MLK all have in common?
	They're trying to unite people and not use violence.
	Not necessarily just Democrats.
	No, but wait a minute.
	No.
	They were calling out the establishment.
	The establishment.
	The elites.
	You know, John F. Kennedy was not an establishment candidate.
	He was an anti-establishment candidate.
	LBJ was establishment.
	MLK was not establishment.
	He was anti-establishment.
	And they were calling out on what things they were worried about, on what could potentially happen, what happened to them.
	I think today, two of those guys, one was a president, one would have become a president, one was an AG, right?
	RFK was an AG.
	And by the way, some would say RFK was tougher than JFK.
	RFK was a tough, went against the mob and he was not willing to play games.
	And an MLK was fearless, but he was more faith-based.
	He wasn't Malcolm X.
	He was more from coming from a place of peace.
	You can even put Malcolm X on this list.
	Do you think we're living in an era where this is it?
	Or do you think the next couple of years they're going to see this as an opportunity to be worried that Trump may, I don't even think they're going to target Trump.
	I think it's who is next?
	They're worried.
	Democrats have the lowest in 35 years.
	They're losing day after day after day after day after day.
	This is not a good look where they're at right now.
	Do you think maybe they're sitting there worried about the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years saying, hey, you know, we may be sitting here not doing it, but we're going to keep using these words.
	So other young Robinsons are going to get out there and do something about it.
	What do you think?
	Patrick, if I'm reading into what you're saying, I'm hearing you say Tyler Robinson was a lone wolf in this.
	He was just radicalized by the left.
	My concern is that there's more to it.
	I mean, Charlie is shot at that moment.
	Everyone goes down except for one guy who starts, jumps up.
	I did it.
	I did it.
	65-year-old Jordan.
	72, I believe.
	Is he 72?
	Older man gets arrested.
	Shooter gets away, right?
	Immediately, I'm like, that was very strange.
	Another kid jumps up in front of the camera, celebrating Charlie.
	I believe there's more to it than a shooter.
	I think there's this is a they're being funded, they're being trained, they're being radicalized by a group.
	And we will find out.
	I had the sheriff of the county that Charlie was shot in on the show yesterday.
	And that guy, that guy, he's in jail, he was a diversion so that the shooter could get away.
	Now he's saying he was, in fact.
	So George Zen.
	How did they hook up?
	There's going to be more.
	There's going to be.
	And by the way, with George Zen, Vinny, if you want to give the update on what they found on George's computer.
	So for, and you make a great point, Eric, and I'm going to come back to that.
	But apparently he got arrested for, what was his actual arrest, Rob?
	He was obstruction.
	Absolute possession of child porn is what they now charged him with.
	No, but they arrested him because he was claiming to be the shooter at the moment.
	Yeah.
	And for anybody, for anybody out there, guys.
	Oh, yeah.
	So by the way, so they arrested him for obstruction of justice, but then they asked for a cell phone.
	He was being very hesitant.
	They took it.
	And what are the odds that the same guy that said he witnessed 9-11, the same guy that was in Utah and got arrested for terrorism, just so happens to be at one of the biggest assassinations in the history of this freaking country on a college campus.
	And he's yelling, shoot me.
	I did it.
	Shoot me.
	By the way, and people are like, no, he was just trying to distract from the shooter.
	Okay.
	Well, just in the moment, and for anybody out there, I know you know this, who are snipers or know how to shoot.
	When you're a sniper, you have a spotter.
	You have somebody looking at distances.
	You have people in the crowd.
	It's not just you by himself.
	So he admittedly false claimed.
	And the fact that he's doing this, guys, somebody did the math.
	It's a one in two billion chance, one in two billion, Eric, that this guy was at September 11th, did the terrorism thing, and then he's here.
	So a normal person would say, wait a minute, hold on a second.
	This guy probably knew that this was going to happen.
	And where did it happen?
	I think he knew this was going to happen.
	Of course.
	I think, Pat, and you know where?
	I think he knew.
	You know where?
	You know where I think?
	And this is just Vincent's assumption, allegedly.
	They were all on this Discord chat.
	I was going to see Discord.
	And if he's a child porn having on his phone, he's probably in there, Pat, talking to furries or whatever the hell these freaking idiots are.
	And they're probably like, hey, listen, we're going to go do it.
	Come with us.
	Let me ask you this other question that Rob brought up earlier.
	So the child porn thing, if you really want to kind of go out there, the first Tucker, I think, said this a while back, that when they want to find a Patsy or confuse or throw you off or whatever it is, they'll say, hey, he had child porn on his computer, right?
	And they can plant it on there.
	And they can do that.
	100%.
	Listen, if you see in movies, they throw cocaine in a guy's car like you have cocaine.
	I don't have cocaine.
	Yeah, you do.
	Now you're doing all getting arrested.
	So these things are not things that just accidentally happen.
	This has happened in the past before.
	If it's true or not, this does not seem like a good guy with the past that he has.
	Now, as we're going through this, and we're talking about, by the way, let me go back to the question because I don't, Vinny, do you think the 60s, do you think this is, and again, I want to go to it.
	Yes.
	If this is something that a lot of people are involved.
	Yes.
	One, you got to, you got to, you know, this has got to be a pattern because if it's, if you're going, if you're going to say, no, the guy just woke up one day, he was dating a transgender, and, you know, that's all it was.
	It's nothing more than that.
	He wanted took him out.
	That said, all right, girl, let's move on to our normal lives.
	But if you're saying, no, this was planned intentional by somebody funding it, which by the way, Rob, is it true that the president says he wants to investigate Soros for Rico?
	Please.
	Yes.
	For the news.
	Might.
	He's good at qualifying that.
	He said he might investigate Soros for Rico.
	Yeah.
	And he said that in a video.
	Is that a tweet or is that a video?
	I think he said it on tape.
	Fox.
	I was going to ask him.
	Right here.
	Fox and friends.
	This was Friday, right after.
	Let me hear this.
	Just look at that face.
	I had one the other night.
	I went into a restaurant and this woman stood up.
	I looked at her immediately.
	She had money.
	She wasn't, she wasn't serious.
	They get paid for their profession from Soros and other people.
	And we're going to look into Soros because I think it's a Rico case against him and other people.
	Because this is more than like protests.
	This is real agitation.
	This is riots on the situation.
	I believe this is happening.
	But if let's just say this is a setup and someone's behind it, a mastermind behind it.
	Okay.
	If that's the case, you think this is it?
	Nope.
	Nope.
	No.
	Me.
	Why wouldn't you?
	Me personally, absolutely not.
	I think it's going to keep happening.
	And I'm so happy that the security of all everybody, all of us need to watch our asses because it's not going to stop.
	Okay.
	Think about it.
	This is the same side, the same side that openly, openly, the left, weaponized the Department of Justice and FBI to go after their political opponents.
	Okay.
	They have J.B. Pritzker.
	I have Rob.
	He's trying to claim right now, Pat, that he's like, I never, did you see this clip?
	I didn't say nothing.
	Watch this.
	Yeah, watch this.
	This is good.
	That is completely false.
	I have never called Republicans Nazis.
	Everything that he has done has been tearing down constitutional democracy.
	And that's what happened in Nazi Germany.
	It doesn't take very long to tear apart a constitutional republic.
	Indeed, the Nazis did it in 23 days.
	Right here.
	Our democracy is almost as fragile.
	And we're seeing it right now.
	The dangers that we saw in Nazi Germany.
	Especially in the earliest days of Nazi Germany.
	This is a top three candidate for the left in 2020.
	Oh, yeah.
	So great to your point.
	It's not going to stop.
	And then mind you, they have the mainstream media keep pushing this narrative because that's what he's speaking on.
	You said the stat of how many colleges, because Charlie was what?
	Charlie was going to colleges because this woke mind virus, he was trying to act as like a vaccine to try to just talk, talk like what's wrong with you to get into their brains.
	How many percentage of professors in all these colleges are Democrat left-leaning?
	What was that?
	Best case is eight to one.
	Worst case is 15 to 1.
	8 to 1.
	And the majority of them.
	Eight Democrats, eight liberals to one conservative professor.
	And so when you have that, when you have that monopoly and you have these people saying this, and this is their vision, why would it stop?
	Why would anybody slow down?
	Because Pat, they think they're virtuous.
	They think, okay, well, this is a Nazi.
	This is a fascist.
	If I kill him, I'm going to be the freaking savior of our freaking, of our movement.
	And that's what's happening in here, Pat.
	And it's not going to change.
	They're going to keep going.
	They're looking for windows of opportunity.
	This Tyler guy is just one instant.
	There's thousands and thousands, maybe millions of these freaking brainwashed psychos out there.
	Period.
	May I throw in here 100% right.
	Vin, do you have the picture of the guy celebrating at literally the moment?
	So I have this young man who's on the front row, watched Charlie get assassinated.
	And he said something.
	I said, is there anything that was strange?
	You know, walked through the beforehand during the event right after the event.
	He said, the only thing I saw that was all out of the ordinary was the minute the shot happened, people realized he was shot.
	Everyone got down.
	And there's a picture.
	This guy.
	Look at this.
	This guy you're going to see here.
	Celebrating.
	Now, he's a son.
	Charlie's just been shot.
	He's just been shot.
	Now, if you just give it a second, give it a be here.
	Everyone's fear for their life, right?
	You have an active shooter.
	Look at him.
	And he makes himself the biggest target right in the line from that shooter 200 yards away on the roof, right in front of the child.
	He is right in the middle.
	That is not human.
	That man is either violently ill or he's part of this.
	Has he been interviewed?
	Yes, he's being interviewed right now.
	He's being interviewed.
	The other guy's in jail because we talked to the sheriff.
	There's not, there's no way this guy, this kid pulls off a 200-yard shot.
	Okay, I get a trained sniper.
	It's not with a spotter, though.
	Yeah.
	And with a diversion to get away.
	And then this guy going like this, the moment Charlie's shot, there's no question in my mind that this was not just Tyler Robbins.
	What is a spotter?
	Exactly.
	Spotter Adam.
	So let's say Eric is setting up his shot.
	Spotters over binoculars.
	They're looking, by the way, the sniper that I knew, Adam, they look at the ground to see where the heat wave of the wind and it's so much.
	So you're saying if you're going to take someone out, there's usually at least another person involved.
	Especially in sniping.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, and then he's carrying a towel around it, which is brilliant because you don't want to bang the scope because the scope has to be zeroed in.
	You can't take off a scope and put it on and it shoots where you want it to shoot.
	By the way, a couple things here.
	So to go back to that: John F. Kennedy, when he was assassinated, he was 46.
	RFK was 42.
	MLK was 39.
	So notice a pattern there.
	What do you notice a pattern?
	A seven-year age difference.
	Okay.
	What's the thing with Charlie right now?
	31.
	31.
	So what do you notice with this?
	They're not worried about the 80-year-old.
	Right.
	They're addressing the future.
	That is the reason Charlie's dead.
	Not because he had the reach.
	He had.
	He had the reach with young people.
	That's right.
	It's the most valuable commodity in politics.
	So I think that part, as you're going through it, you know, of course, everybody is going through, you know, should I protect should I not?
	But I do think there's a handful of names.
	I am not going to give names.
	I do think there's a handful of names that if the enemy wanted to do something, those handful of names are above everybody else.
	I won't give those names.
	They will be above everybody else as they're going through something like this.
	And by the way, at a guy yesterday, we interviewed a bunch of different people on the security side.
	And one guy yesterday, 18 Delta guy that we're talking to, I said, why don't they sweep the top if there's snipers there?
	You know what he said?
	He says, in 37, Rob, can you look this up?
	He kept using the word 37 states.
	In 37 states, it's illegal for you to go sweep the air the perimeter for snipers.
	What?
	In 37 states.
	I said, what do you mean by that?
	He says, in 37 states, you're not allowed to do it.
	Folks, if you're in the military, if you're in the FBI, if you're working in this world, if you're secret service, Manecta send us a message, let us know.
	But he said, in 37 states, you can't do it.
	He says, don't you think they would do it?
	Of course they would do it.
	We'd love to do it.
	He says, but then he says, in Virginia, they allow you to do this.
	And he started going through all these other states on how you can do it.
	But apparently in 37, they don't.
	Not even a drone.
	Like if I was Charlie's team, have a drone, bro.
	You're sitting in the middle of a valley.
	Have a drone if you're not by the airport.
	At least surveill to make sure nobody's posting up.
	That right there is underestimated.
	In Pennsylvania or Utah on those 37 states, the shootings occur.
	I don't know.
	And matter of fact, I'm going to have, I'm going to have, while I'm live right now, I'm going to have, I'm going to text somebody to go a little bit deeper into this to ask the question about this.
	By the way, Rob, can you do me a favor?
	Can you put up that Anna Kasparian clip about Erica while she's talking to what do you call it?
	To Destiny about being a human being for once, right?
	Now, watch this here.
	Go for it.
	You have so much hatred in your heart.
	And at the same time, it's such a simple thing.
	If you're going to weaponize somebody's grief against the other party, well, then of course people have a right to fight back against it.
	I think that she has every right to grieve in whatever way she wants.
	But when that grief is going to be weaponized to do recruitment, political recruitment, and further radicalization of the other side, then of course you not only have the ability to mock it, I think you have the obligation to mock it.
	It's insane.
	Let me understand.
	Let me understand your argument.
	So since others are using her grief to politically recruit, you think that it's okay to mock her specifically since others are coming in her grief?
	She's the one who gave a 17-minute speech on TV where she talked about good versus evil.
	She's the one showing up in TPUSA ads to one or two days ago.
	If someone assassinated my husband, if someone assassinated my husband, I would not be able to have the level of composure she had during that speech.
	I would be out for blood.
	I understand why she's angry and why she said the things that she said.
	Okay, you need to understand what being a human is, what it's like to actually lose someone that you love, that you chose to spend your life with, that you chose to raise children with, a person who was violently and viciously assassinated like that.
	This is why I've moved away.
	And when something happened, identifying as you got bullied online, it's so funny.
	It's so funny how you just think about how other people act to define your behavior.
	Your entire political ideology now is somehow defined by the people that were mean to you on Twitter.
	Nobody cares about somebody who's grieving.
	I understand.
	You tell that person.
	You tell that person.
	It happens to be positive.
	So Keith Oberman said something like this on Twitter.
	And I responded to Keith.
	I said, dude, did your parents hurt you?
	They had to have.
	Who hurt you?
	Who didn't believe in you?
	Who made you feel not good for you to have this level of hate in your body?
	This is not normal for somebody.
	If you go to replies, Rob, I'm trying to see what I told him because he said something.
	Go to replies.
	I don't reply a lot.
	So it should be easy to find.
	Keep going lower, lower, lower.
	Keith Oberman said, keep going lower.
	You'll see it.
	Is that it?
	Yep.
	Okay.
	Go up to his tweet.
	So this is, I assume Kash Patel means Valala New York, because otherwise I hate to break it to him, but neither he nor Kirk nor Trump are getting into heaven.
	Do you understand?
	Like he's basically saying Charlie is in hell.
	That's what this guy is saying.
	And as mad, as mad as I want to get, guys, who, who, what, let's take a step back.
	What makes someone like what I'm saying?
	Who heard you to say something this night?
	How?
	Like, what is it the system?
	Is it your family?
	Is it like I would sue.
	You know, everybody's suing for defamation.
	If I was Rosie O'Donnell, if I was Keith Oberman, if I was these psycho leftists, I would do a clash action lawsuit and say, you guys, CNN, MSNBC, all these, all of you guys that have spitting this poison, you've ruined our brains.
	You've ruined our brains.
	Because what human being thinks like this?
	Yeah, that's horrible.
	I mean, is it any better that Jasmine Crockett, who could be one of the top contenders for president in 2020, says blames an assault?
	Charlie Kirk wouldn't be dead if it weren't for the assault, the assault weapons were assault rifles that Trump allows.
	That is number one, patently false.
	It wasn't an assault rifle.
	It was a rifle.
	It was a sniper rifle.
	They have no idea what they're talking about.
	Blaming guns again, again, within minutes of his death, blaming the guns as they always do.
	And then you hear them, it's almost justifying this Aaron Ruper and the others to have this attitude.
	Like if our elected officials can't take a moment and be heartfelt and sorrowful for the loss of someone on our side and blame people, immediately blame MAGA, then blame Charlie for his own words, and then blame the guns.
	This is what they do.
	If they can't have that, then we'll never, ever, ever be able to come together.
	We are destined to be two separate countries.
	Can we go into the text exchange?
	Can we talk about the text exchange?
	And then I want to go into the Ackman and Candace.
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	Let me continue.
	So, texting.
	Vinny, as of right now, what's been shown is the text exchange between the shooter and his roommate, the transgender roommate that he has, right?
	Yes.
	And a lot of people are a little bit suspicious, saying, wait a minute, they're texting each other like this?
	Yes.
	Well, let me read it to you.
	Can you zoom in a little bit, Rob?
	Robinson, this is, I am still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in oram for a little while longer yet.
	Shouldn't be long until I come home.
	But I got to grab my rifle still.
	To be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age.
	I am sorry to involve you.
	Roommate, you weren't the one who did it, right?
	Robinson, I am.
	I'm sorry.
	Roommate.
	I thought they caught the person.
	No, they grabbed some crazy old dude, then interrogated someone in similar clothing.
	I had planned to grab my rifle from the drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down.
	It's quite almost enough to get out, but there's one vehicle lingering, roommate.
	Why?
	Why did I do it?
	Yeah, I had enough of his hatred.
	Some hate can't be negotiated out.
	If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence, going to attempt to retrieve it again.
	Hopefully they have moved on.
	I haven't seen anything about them finding it.
	Roommate, how long have you been planning this?
	A bit over a week, I believe.
	I can get close to it, but there's a squad car parked right by it.
	I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it.
	Robinson, I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got back to my vehicle.
	I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring back grandpa's rifle.
	I-D-E-K.
	I don't know what that is.
	I don't even know.
	I don't even know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me.
	I worry about Prince.
	I had to leave it in a bush where I change outfits.
	Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with.
	I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince.
	How the F will I explain losing it to my old man?
	That's correct.
	Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel.
	Remember how I was engraving bullets?
	The effing messages are mostly a big meme.
	If I see notice bulge, you woo on Fox News, I might have a stroke.
	All right, I'm going to have to leave it.
	That really effing sucks.
	Eric.
	Bulge UWU, the reference to the trans community.
	So, Patrick, you just read through that.
	Here's my theory on this.
	This looks like an admission of motive, admission.
	The steps, it's a closed, it's a closed case.
	All I have to do is bring this up.
	Interesting.
	It's so well choreographed that the roommate doesn't play along.
	Kind of pulls, even pulls at one point.
	How long have you been planning this?
	Weird.
	Very, very weird question, right?
	This feels like this was a script.
	Yeah.
	They put it out there that nails it.
	The cabal that I believe is behind the assassination of Charlie Kirk and probably looking to take out, to change, to alter history by taking out kingpins of conservative thought.
	Question for you, Eric.
	I'm looking at this, and I've learned the hard way.
	Don't just look at the exact thing.
	Don't be naive.
	There could be other extenuating circumstances.
	Are you saying, based on this conversation, that this conversation is not even real?
	It's fabricated.
	It looks to me, honestly, like it's a perfectly choreographed script to nail Tyler Robinson to this crime and only Tyler Robinson, not even the roommate who is supposed to be a lover.
	And this is why Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.
	He couldn't stand the hatred that Charlie Kirk had for trans community, like his new boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever the hell he is.
	And not even implicate that person.
	What are the chances?
	What are the chances?
	I'm not being naive.
	What are the chances?
	It was literally just this kid, Tyler Robinson, that's been radicalized, been upset.
	He's texting his love.
	He's gay, he's trans, whatever it is.
	And he generally just did it himself.
	He was a lone wolf.
	Why didn't the lover play along?
	Honey, I was like, what are the chances that it was given?
	For me, it's approaching zero.
	I mean, nothing's ever zero.
	You know what I did?
	As soon as I saw this yesterday, as soon as it hit the air, I went and put in ChatGPT and Chat TBC said, reading this, it feels more like something written than an actual text thread.
	Stop it.
	I swear I'm reading it from ChatGPT right now.
	The pacing, the length, the sentences, the way he explains every single detail as if he's narrating a movie.
	It doesn't match how people text when they're panicking or hiding after a crime.
	Real text, hold on, let me finish.
	Real texts are usually short, sloppy with abbreviations, not long monologues that sound like a script.
	So my gut, ChatGPT's gut, it doesn't read like an authentic back and forth.
	It reads more like a crafted effect.
	So that's that.
	But are you ready for this?
	It makes, and I trust me, they know me.
	I never believe anybody, but it makes far more sense to think that these texts weren't fabricated by the FBI or somebody, but that the shooter and his boyfriend had a script.
	They staged it and then they exchanged it.
	You know why?
	You nailed it, Eric, to give the freaking lover boyfriend cover.
	Cover and focus on him.
	Just take the rap.
	Take the rap.
	Patrick, unbelievable.
	They added premeditation when the lover says, how long have you been planning this?
	Where did that come from?
	Is that a normal conversation between a guy who just blew away Charlie Kirk and his love?
	How long have you been calling that person?
	They got motive.
	They got the actual pulling the trigger, the aim, the reason.
	And now they got premeditation too.
	Rob, you put it up there and what does it say to you?
	I did.
	I asked ChatGPT, analyze the script from these text messages.
	Do they sound authentic?
	And then I uploaded the text themselves.
	It gives a pretty long-winded answer, but at the end, overall assessment, these messages do not strongly resemble authentic raw texts.
	It's not real.
	They read more like a constructed script, possibly fabricated or heavily edited, that genuine, spontaneous communication.
	Wow.
	So is this kid in custody, the trans boyfriend?
	No.
	No.
	They spoke to him.
	They spoke to the family.
	Because he's not in custody right now.
	They questioned him.
	He can't leave.
	It's one of those.
	You just can't leave.
	He won't.
	I mean.
	So if what you're saying is true, if what's Chat BG is saying that he's going to be tried for accomplice to murder?
	No, he's not.
	They're talking about death penalties, what they're talking about.
	Oh, for Tyler.
	I'm not talking about Tyler.
	They're talking about proof of trans boyfriend.
	Because this exchange, this exchange in court will play out like, hey, this is when he got the death penalty.
	This is when they announced that their guest is.
	Watch his reaction.
	Other business that we need to address today, counsel.
	Just for the court's information, we did file just recently within the last few minutes a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed by Utah County Attorney Jeff Gray.
	So that should be in the court's file.
	Wow.
	Is this frozen?
	Is this his film?
	Oh, no, that's him.
	That's his actual reaction.
	Yeah, you can see it.
	So just frozen down right here.
	His eyes shift down.
	Go back again, go back 10 seconds.
	Right there, that's good, Rob.
	Just recently, within the last few minutes, a notice of intent to seek the death penalty that was filed Utah County Attorney General Gray.
	So that should be in the court's file.
	So what Pat, where are you at with this?
	Like, meaning, I was just looking at the text on its surface, like, oh, wow.
	The trans boyfriend didn't know.
	Apparently, there's some stuff going on.
	Where are you at with this?
	Eric said he's close to 0%.
	It was a lone wolf.
	Guys, the last time there was this type of dramatic exposure that was going to happen was a guy named John F. Kennedy with his father, got a son in, and he was planning on having guys in a White House for 20 years.
	Joseph Kennedy had plans of this happening 40 years, 30 years before it happened.
	The day his first son was born, Joseph was supposed to be the first president, and he ended up dying at 22 years old in war as a pilot.
	I don't know what age he was when he died, but it's 22, 23, 24.
	Joseph Kennedy never became the same ever again after his oldest son died.
	But then what happens?
	The youngest son with lower back problems becomes president.
	Then they have this vengeance, this fire in their belly.
	Then the oldest becomes agey.
	The oldest becomes a tough guy.
	The establishment sits there and says these guys are able to change a lot of things for America and they're beloved.
	There's so many memorials of John F. Kennedy around the world, not in America.
	There's more statues of him around the world than any other president, I believe, all over the world.
	He was loved by people around the world, John F. Kennedy was.
	And then you see that they were going to make some changes and you bring it to today.
	Do I think this is accidental?
	Guys, when the president got elected, I gave a top five name of people that I believe were the ones that helped him get elected.
	Charlie Kirk, I sent him a message.
	I told him, I said, listen, I don't know if you realize this.
	Without you, this doesn't happen.
	He says, well, I'm not doing it for recognition.
	I said, well, you need to take it because you played a massive role.
	And in everything, when something big happens, you played a massive versus, well, thank you for that.
	But to me, when you're asking what's going on here, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think this is a pattern.
	I don't think this is a accidental thing.
	I think it's a pattern.
	And this reminds me of the 60s.
	This reminds me of the 60s.
	In the Army, they say Watcher 6.
	They say, you know, stay alert, stay alive, right?
	I think right now it's a, by the way, in Florida, it just became a license to carry.
	Open carry.
	Open carry Florida.
	Just by the way, two days ago.
	Yep.
	Oh, I thought we had that.
	You literally can go to the restaurant, put your gun down and eat.
	Is that what they have in Texas?
	I think it's open carry.
	Open carry.
	It's a full story.
	You can wear it.
	You can wear like a holster in.
	Florida.
	And by the way, Rob just said something earlier.
	Rob said, if this would have happened in Florida, he would have already been killed.
	Death sentence because he says Florida's leading all states.
	But how many did you say, Rob?
	30 plus?
	They're going to have 30 by the end of the year.
	They're somewhere around 20-ish right now.
	But more inmates have been executed on death row this year in Florida than any other state in history of the United States.
	I'm going to sent this for you.
	Well, the biggest difference here, you're talking about the 60s, you're talking about JFK specifically, is this revolution, buddy.
	Something's going on in America.
	This is not a normal time we're living in.
	They try to control us for COVID and they lost, but they lost on the public scale.
	Everybody handles loss in a different way.
	Some people can handle a loss.
	When they lost, in Obama, I'll never forget this.
	When Obama got on stage and he gave his speech and he tried to lecture those young black men, remember that one shot was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What are you doing?
	And then Stephen A. and other people are like, dude, you don't talk to us like that.
	We think we're dumb.
	And then he lost.
	Then imagine the Democratic Party saying, who is our savior today?
	Who can go campaign for anybody and win?
	You mean to tell me Obama couldn't campaign for Kamala, a black woman California?
	You couldn't help her win?
	Where are we now?
	Where do we go from here now?
	And then Obama has to sit there next to Trump.
	I think it was at Carter's funeral, if I'm not mistaken.
	And then they're laughing, they're talking to each other.
	Yeah, this was the moment.
	So Democrats, this has been the, I said November 5th will go down as Barack Obama's worst day of his lifetime.
	November 5th of 2024 is the worst day of Barack Obama's life.
	So now what do you do?
	You lost.
	Democrats lost.
	The establishment lost.
	You think they're going to play fair?
	I don't know.
	No, and you know why?
	Absolutely not.
	Hold on.
	We have just seen for the past 10 years, they're not going to play fair and square, Pat, because for 10 years, Eric, they've been like Nazi fascist Hitler death, all this, all this.
	And now when the smoke is cleared and the dust has settled, they're like, oh, shit, we don't have any leader.
	Gavin Newsom?
	Jasmine Crockett?
	Because they have no voice.
	They have no message.
	So guess what?
	They use Lawfare to go after their opponents.
	They wanted to destroy Trump.
	Okay.
	They'll do the law fail.
	They'll try to cancel your ass.
	And then guess what?
	They try to shoot you.
	Let's not forget this same playbook happened with Trump.
	Some white lone guy, no freaking social media, gets shot.
	They shoot him because the real shooter missed.
	They clean up the scene.
	His apartment's cleaned up with white gloves.
	It's like, it's the same gameplay.
	You nailed it.
	It's the same playbook because they have nothing.
	They are the party of violence.
	They are the party.
	Remember a couple weeks ago, I said the whole party's evil.
	It's not evil.
	But if the devil came back and he had to pick a party, which party would he pick?
	Would he be a Republican or would he be a Democrat?
	I'm being dead serious.
	Where's he going to go?
	Where's he going to lead?
	Oh, you guys are killing people?
	I'm going over here.
	You guys are praying?
	Because us as Christians, we get mad, Pat.
	You know how furious I was with him in the back?
	My anger was going up like this.
	And then God, I went, okay, I'm understanding what's happening.
	I'm a Christian.
	I'm a God.
	Let me calm down.
	And even Pat was like, we're going to win.
	Okay.
	That's the difference.
	And you keep saying fascists.
	You keep saying this shit.
	And then this guy, Pat, this ABC guy, you want to know how gone, how gone?
	And when I say you're not supposed to like mainstream media, Eric, did you see this guy?
	This guy, what's his name?
	Gutman?
	Yeah, Matt Gutman.
	Matt Gutman tried to take the situation of freaking violent assassination and he tried to make it a love story.
	You can't make this up.
	Well, I'll play this clip.
	We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it.
	But also, it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect.
	Touching an intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love.
	So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said not only jeopardized the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.
	And on the other hand, he was speaking so lovingly about his partner.
	So you know what?
	Somebody should write a, he should write the notebook, but call it the assassin and make it a love story about murder and death.
	What a tone-deaf.
	What the hell is wrong with mainstream media?
	You don't dislike them enough.
	So I know him.
	I know Matt Gutman.
	Great.
	We used to be friends 20 years ago when, you know, Adrian, he worked for CNN.
	They worked together.
	He's been with ABC.
	He's a real journalist.
	This guy's been in war zones.
	He's not some flyby night woke liberal.
	However, he's been in the mainstream media, ABC, that world, for 20 plus years.
	How do you think these mainstream journalists feel about Trump?
	Because at the end of the day, this comes down to Trump.
	Trump has broken so many people's minds.
	You know, I watch the daily show.
	We've all heard of Tuji Ghost.
	Did you say this guy's a fair guy?
	No, I didn't say that.
	I said he's a real journalist.
	And a real journalist would read that and say that's a love story?
	What real journalist?
	By the way, your friendship with him has nothing to do with my friendship with him.
	What real journalist repeats what he just said?
	If you were to let me get to my point, I'm not agreeing with him.
	I'm trying to give you some mindset to where he's at.
	I think it's disgusting what he said.
	What I'm saying is this: TDS.
	We've heard of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
	It also stands for The Daily Show.
	I don't know how often you guys watch the Daily Show.
	These people are broken.
	They're broken.
	They're equivocating what's going on with Trump getting shot, with Charlie Kirk getting shot.
	And their only defense is, yeah, but those people in Minnesota.
	Yeah.
	That's all they have.
	So I'm not running cover for this guy whatsoever.
	I'm letting you know when you've been, you talk about drain the swamp.
	Trump's been trying to drain the swamp.
	What kind of swamp do you think the mindset of the media is?
	Eric knows this better than anybody.
	I do.
	Honestly, Adam, I'm with Patrick on it.
	You called him a legitimate journalist.
	I mean, he is?
	No.
	Look at his career.
	So after there's one comment, after that comment, look at his accolades.
	Look at his career.
	After that comment, Adam, if you tell me he's completely unbiased about reporting what he sees, I'm going to tell you full of shit.
	I'm not saying he's unbiased.
	You said he's not a job.
	He's not a real journalist.
	He's a real journalist.
	Okay, don't take my words for it.
	Look at his career.
	I don't question.
	He has a story.
	He's a career, but there's no difference when they go to him, say, what kind of career does he have?
	What do you got?
	He's a reporter in the field for 100 years.
	I agree.
	So when they go to Matt, what do you see?
	Do you think what he says right after that is completely unbiased?
	Knowing what you know, that he's not a good person.
	He's saying that he is biased.
	A love job.
	That's my point between a murder and a buddy.
	That he's been in the news media for 20 years.
	What I'm saying is he can't help but being biased.
	I'm not defending him.
	You are.
	You donned him a respectable journalist.
	Look at his damn credentials.
	What are you talking about?
	It makes him a logo.
	This guy's been all over the world.
	He's covered how many different stories are there.
	And is he covering fairly?
	I don't know.
	That's my point.
	Well, a good journalist would, Adam.
	That's all I'm showing you.
	Show me a good journalist, Eric.
	Show me one.
	Laura Logan.
	Okay, who's that?
	You don't know who Laura Logan is?
	No.
	Show me another good journalist.
	Why?
	They're out there.
	But anyways, show me names.
	But I'm not looking at one when I look at that guy.
	This is indicative of what a normal journalist would even think.
	I'm exposing how they all think.
	Let me say this to you, though.
	Just to how many people have called it a love affair?
	Not only this guy.
	ABC.
	This is.
	I'm sure there's more.
	No, no, no.
	I mean, there may be more.
	Yeah, on Discord.
	On a guy like this to call it this, dude, you got a few screws missing to say something about.
	What do you mean, love affair?
	It's just a great loving relationship.
	Stop it.
	Did he, by the way, we're not journalists.
	Did he take that exchange and put it on ChatGPT?
	What did he put it through?
	What is he?
	His job is to go do more research than us.
	We're freaking just regular people talking.
	We're not no journalist.
	We're citizen journalists.
	We're right talking about it, right?
	He was a commentator.
	He's a commentator.
	If you're a commentator, great, no problem.
	But you're not a guy that can call yourself a journalist if you just tell us that and say, it's just a great love story.
	By the way, while you're talking about this, watch what happens here.
	Again, where we're living at today, Luigi Mangion takes out the, and by the way, I want to get back to the Bill Ackman and Candace exchange as well.
	We're going to get to that with the Netanyahu, but let's go to Luigi Manjion.
	This is Luigi Manjion.
	They announced Luigi Manjion, supporters of Luigi Manjion, outside of the Manhattan court after the announcement was made.
	And the announcement was, Rob, if you can pull it up, no terror charges, right?
	Drop the terror part of the charges.
	Can you pull up the celebration and guys dressed as Luigi?
	I don't know if you have it or not, Rob.
	I think you got it somewhere.
	Right here is protesters outside of the courthouse yesterday.
	Can you show the celebration when they announce it's not because there is a celebration where they're jumping up and down?
	Can you look for that, Rob?
	There's a you see guys jumping up, celebrating each other, hugging, crying.
	That's right.
	You know, it was a very, this is it.
	That's the Rob.
	We can't show that.
	Oh, is it the same as before?
	Copyright, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Got it.
	Good call.
	Well, anyways, they're jumping up and down.
	They're celebrating.
	They're doing their part.
	What's going on?
	This is where you're living it.
	By the way, there was a kid on campus that was making fun of how Charlie Kirk died, who ended up getting kicked out of school.
	Do you have that one, Rob?
	Yes.
	There was a kid that did you see this one video?
	He's just celebrating.
	He's like, hey, this is how he died.
	This is how he died.
	This is how he died.
	He's making fun of it.
	They dropped this scholarship.
	Everything that they kicked the kid.
	I don't know if he had scholarship, but they kicked him out.
	And this is the kid right there.
	Watch this.
	This is in schools.
	Go back a little bit to.
	And they're laughing.
	He got real.
	Oh, my God.
	Oh, my God.
	There it goes.
	By the way, that's your resume.
	You're on camera.
	Good job, buddy.
	Forever.
	You'll be a Democrat congressman.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	There goes your life.
	This will never go away, you freaking moron.
	What a moron.
	Good school.
	Do we know where?
	Can you zoom into it?
	The Texas school is a Texas state student.
	Texas State student disrupts the vigil.
	Yeah.
	Reenacting like that.
	Let me tell you, man, you do that around Armenians.
	You're done.
	No, Rogan said something one time about Armenians.
	You ever heard Rogan say something about Armenians?
	No.
	Rob, can you type in Rogan on Armenians?
	You know, by the way, we had the most Armenians ever at the wall conference.
	We had a series, but Armenians wasn't crazy.
	They were everywhere.
	Crazy.
	You say, man, I'm just watching.
	Yeah, right there, Joe Rogan on Armenians.
	Why?
	What would an Armenian do you think?
	Dude, you can't read that in front of us.
	You're just Middle Easterns and you're coming on.
	Let him explain it to you.
	Here's Joe Rogan.
	Go ahead.
	We can identify each other so easily by what we look like or where we're from.
	It's so easy.
	So, so many people are so proud of being from a certain part of the world.
	And in some place, I think, in some ways, I think it's kind of cool.
	Like Armenians.
	Talk some shit about Armenia in front of Armenians.
	They'll smack the fuck out of you.
	They don't play, man.
	They're fucking loyal to that.
	And they don't even live there anymore, man.
	That's like being someone who's really into being American and living in South America.
	You know, if you talk shit, if you talk to shit to an expat like that lives in South America, you know, if you're like, man, America's shit.
	America's fucked.
	I see stuff like that.
	And I'm like, oh, man.
	And thank God there's no Armenians at that Texas State University.
	There's not.
	It's a dude.
	I went to Glendale Community College.
	Say something about Armenians.
	Say something about them.
	This is very.
	Behaving like that makes you think it's okay to behave like that.
	People allow you to behave like that.
	In the Army, we had a crew.
	You know, if me and you make fun of each other, we make fun of each other.
	But if all of a sudden an outsider comes out of nowhere and makes fun of you, I'm sorry, who gave you permission to talk to him about that?
	Well, I just saw you guys talking shit to each other.
	That doesn't mean you have the permission.
	But anyways, I can't, you know, it tells you what we're living in right now.
	And that's why what Eric, you said earlier, the fact that he had the ears of the youth, which is the one that they feared the most, the age 46, 42, 39, MLK, John F. Kennedy, RFK, Charlie Kirk, 31 years old.
	They fear when you have influence over them because that's decades of loss control.
	That's decades of loss control.
	So let me get to the next story here.
	So Candace Owens and Bill Ackman.
	Candace Owens comes out, Rob, if you want to play this clip.
	Candace Owens comes out with allegations against Bill Ackman and Seth Dylan in an explosive video.
	Is this the one, Rob?
	Yes.
	So this is the first part where she talks about Bill Ackman inviting Charlie Kirk to the Hamptons.
	Go for it.
	Go for it.
	In the Hamptons, and he had more than one event, but he had essentially what was staged, an intervention was staged by Bill Ackman because Charlie's thoughts, Charlie's rational thoughts about Israel were a no-no.
	This is not the route that you should be going on.
	And Charlie was surrounded by his friends, his quote-unquote friends.
	Bill Ackman was very upset and threats were made.
	That is what I am told.
	And I will tell you that I am very happy for Bill Ackman to dispute this narrative.
	In fact, he was asked to dispute this narrative.
	Max Glumenthal went out to him today, and Bill Ackman came back and said, I have receipts I can show you.
	And he did not provide the receipts.
	This is not how it went down.
	I know it went down this way.
	I'm waiting for one of them to go on record and to say that it didn't go down this way.
	It was at this time that BB Netanyahu was called and Charlie was invited to Israel.
	This was an under duress situation, I would say.
	Okay, so that's that part.
	Now, Bill Ackman replies back.
	Okay.
	If you go to Bill's tweet, Rob, Bill Ackman, $10 billion guy, he writes a long tweet.
	It's going to be tough to read it this way.
	I can just go to a tweet because it's a long tweet.
	I'll give you the gist of it, what he says.
	He says he talked to Charlie.
	Charlie said, I can get some Charlie Kirk Jr.s out, about 100 million followers, influencers.
	Let's, you know, no problem.
	Let's have a meeting.
	So they come down, they have the meeting, and he's just shown all the text messages back and forth.
	But there's a long message, Rob, that there's there.
	And then eventually they come to the Hamptons.
	I'm willing to address any questions, anything that people want to talk about.
	And then while they're there, I actually want to read this, Rob, if you can find it.
	It might be one of the longest I've ever known.
	But Bill always posts long tweets.
	Yeah, he doesn't.
	Bill doesn't post.
	Rob, just go to his account, keep going down, buddy.
	You were almost there.
	Just keep going down and we'll get to keep going down.
	This is two days ago, so you got to keep going.
	Keep going faster, faster, faster, because you're at 24 hours, 19 hours.
	So Bill Ackman, $10 billion response.
	There it is.
	Right there.
	Okay, thank you.
	This afternoon, Candace Schumer's on staging an intervention with Charlie Kirk.
	Threats were made with respect to his opposed evolving stance on Israel at an event I hosted at Hamptons.
	Candace also intimidated that I blackmailed, intimated that I blackmailed Charlie on the show.
	Candace said that she'll be very happy for me to dispute this narrative.
	While it pains me to drive more traffic to her program, I'm responding here to clear my name.
	It saddens me that we're here.
	For the record, at no time have I ever threatened Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA, or anyone else associated with him.
	I've never blackmailed anyone, let alone Charlie Kirk.
	I've never offered Charlie or Turning Point any money in an attempt to influence Charlie's opinion on anything.
	In fact, my interactions with Charlie have been extremely cordial, all but limited, regretfully so, as I was very impressed by him and his work.
	And I will sadly never see him again.
	In an effort to clear the record, I share the following.
	I followed Charlie Kirk on X for some time and greatly admired him.
	While I didn't agree with him on every issue, I had enormous respect for his intelligence, knowledge, and clips.
	I connected with Charlie when he DM'd me in late May of this year and expressed interest in meeting me.
	In light of our prospective schedules, we were unable to find the time to meet in person, so we scheduled a Zoom on June 11th.
	On the Zoom, he explained to me that conservatives, in particular, young conservatives, were getting tired of defending Israel, and this was very concerning to him.
	I asked him how I could learn more.
	And he suggested that it might be useful to convene a group of young conservatives and influencers on a host of topics that could include Israel to a better sense of how the conservative community was thinking about Israel.
	On the Zoom, Charlie said that this has his open mic conversations on campus were very effective in addressing issues on the minds of the students, but he was only one person with limited bandwidth.
	He suggested that recruiting a group of junior Charlie Kirks, we could open mic sessions on college campuses.
	Boom.
	I expressed interest in learning more and thereafter scheduled a series of conference calls with Charlie, Turning Point USA staff, and members of the team, in addition to getting better sense of what were young conservatives going through.
	Charlie thought doing so might enable him to identify potential candidates who could launch their own campus tours and carry forth his approach to dialogue.
	We chose the afternoon of August 4th to the afternoon of August 5th or the convening.
	Charlie and members of my team worked to put together an invitation list.
	I offered to host the sessions in Bridgehampton and cover the cause so that I could attend some of the sessions.
	So I was working from there at the time.
	Charlie sent out the invitations and about 35 influencers accepted it.
	Charlie estimated that the influencers who attended with relatively 100 million followers.
	Charlie and Turning Point USA put together the agenda for the meeting and the topics were economic future of America, the cultural landscape of dating and marriage, conservative Eastern Mamdani, the new threat to America.
	Charlie asked me to moderate economic topics.
	Thereafter, I hosted QA sessions.
	The convergence of East and West included a discussion of immigration values, systems, the pro-U.S. approach and foreign policy in Israel.
	While I had wanted to attend a convergence panel, I had a board meeting that conflicted this.
	Those that attended the session said that the Israel discussion was similar to other sessions that they attended, explaining various points.
	Some participants were critical of Israel and some were supportive.
	The sessions were punctuated by meals.
	I attended one group lunch and a group dinner where I sat with Charlie and others.
	I found the sessions I attended interesting.
	I really enjoyed the meeting.
	It gave me considerable perspective on what is on my mind of young Americans, what is on the mind of young Americans.
	At the end of the event, I sat with Charlie and members of my team and we discussed the events convening.
	Charlie believed that he had identified a number of potential turning point ambassadors who could launch open mic events on campus.
	We corresponded to our text thereafter over a few weeks on a range of topics, but not including Israel.
	And the next thing I knew, he was gone.
	In short, this was not an intervention to blackmail Charlie Kirk into adopting certain views on Israel.
	It was nothing of the sort.
	Eric, your thoughts on this look, Ackman, first person, Candace, I heard from someone.
	I'm going to go with Ackman.
	It seems like a very detailed description of what happened and very likely description.
	I mean, what Ackman pointed out there was why Charlie was so important.
	A billionaire, a multi-billionaire who has an issue with the growing anti-Semitism on college campuses, he knew where to go.
	You go to turning point because they have the access to the young minds on campus is not what they're getting from the liberal professors.
	So, Ackman goes to Charlie.
	Ackman saw the benefit, the value in Turning Point in Charlie's reach.
	Everything that Ackman points out sounds like something that a wealthy person with an agenda would do when trying to access Charlie's reach.
	Let's have a meeting.
	Let's talk about how we do this.
	Charlie says, Well, maybe not me, but maybe we can get a handful of influencers with a big following and we can do it that way, thereby not necessarily joining forces TPUSA politically with Ackman, but doing an assist, so to speak, a mailing or whatever.
	It kind of puts a little bit of a prophylactic barrier between Charlie Kirk and TPUSA and whatever Ackman is choosing to do.
	But Charlie, to his credit, listened and heard what Ackman was pushing.
	I don't see here anything that's a threat.
	I've never heard of Ackman threatening Charlie Kirk before Candace came up with it.
	So I'm not really sure where it came from.
	We should probably hear the actual first person response.
	Vany, thoughts.
	Towards the end of Charlie's career, his life, God rest his soul, was he getting a little bit more critical on BB and the actions of what he was doing?
	Yes.
	Was he on Megan Kelly and had a long, he was pissed because he's like, people are calling me anti-Semite.
	I'm one of the biggest Israel support.
	He was not happy.
	Yes.
	Did this meeting happen in the Hamptons with Charlie?
	And yes.
	But what the people on our side that are saying Israel was behind it, please.
	And you guys all know I'm critical as hell of some of the actions that Israel does.
	Break it down to me what happened.
	So are they saying that Israel?
	This is where it gets freaking insane.
	Israel went to Tyler and had him shoot and kill Charlie.
	Have the boyfriend, give me the scenario where Israel did it.
	Give me your opinion.
	Lay it all out.
	Just give me some facts because now it's getting to the point where it's like, Israel.
	It's like you're losing the argument in that sense because give it to me.
	Because could we just be honest?
	The people that are saying that Israel pissed off BB was mad and all that stuff.
	So how did they do it?
	Explain to me.
	How did they convince a 22-year-old white boy who's dating a freaking furry to go on a roof and shoot this guy?
	What?
	Because they're like, yeah, we'll take care of your family.
	Give me an explanation.
	Does anybody have I'm being that serious?
	I don't know how what you do, brainwash him to go, yeah, I'll go kill this guy.
	I'm completely lost in that sense.
	Because if that's what you're saying, if you're saying, hey, he was really pissed at the end, BB and them were mad.
	So they had him killed.
	Give me the, show me the plan.
	Lay it out because I'm all ears.
	Wow, here's what Dave Smith had to say.
	I think, Adam, you send this clip in the group, Rob, if you want to play this clip on what they've had to say.
	But I see him out there and like, and I've seen a bunch of other people doing this, but it's just like, if you want to go look through it, I mean, it's just crazy.
	But like, he just, he had this post about how Israel did this.
	Israel just talked about Ian Carroll, I believe.
	And you know, me, I'm co-host Candace's show sometimes.
	Biggest fan of Israel.
	But I literally just replied and I went, What evidence that Israel was exactly show it to me?
	And I mean, man, if you want to be disturbed, like go look through the replies to that.
	It is unbelievable how people put together theory.
	You know, they're like, what evidence do you have?
	By the way, the answer is none.
	We have absolutely no evidence.
	There is absolutely no reason to even suspect that is the case, let alone to determine that it's a fact and all the things people are posing.
	It's just like, guys, Jesus Christ, man, I'm sorry.
	I just don't go for sloppy, kofi theories.
	Like, if you got some evidence, bring it to me and I'll be the first one to look into it.
	Bingo.
	Then people going like, he was waking up to Israel.
	Like, dude, he said release the Epstein files.
	And he, you know, he once on an interview said like, you know, the pro-Israel people are getting a little too crazy when they're accusing even me of being anti-Israel.
	But that's about it.
	And like, you know, to his credit, he defended like having me at the thing and having Tucker and Megan there and stuff.
	But like.
	You've just got no real theory here.
	And it just makes no sense at all.
	Like they telling me the government of Israel took out their number one guy who still had influence amongst young people.
	I just, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	It just doesn't make any sense to me at all.
	And by the way, while this is going on, Dave Smith sounds very reasonable on what he's saying, right?
	Again, reason versus emotion.
	But if you look at this one, this is AAF post.
	They said, according to multiple reports, Israel, Prime Minister offered the Charlie Kirk turning point USA, $150 million in cash to adopt an even more pro-Israel stance.
	Kirk refused the money.
	If you go a little bit lower, look at the amount of views this thing got.
	7.2 million views, 160,000 likes.
	Who's that?
	And then there's another post, Rob, if you can pull up the other one that says right below it, that says the journalist behind the report accusing Bibi of offering $150 million is Max Blumenthal, a man who used to work for the Iran-backed newspaper Al-Akbar in Beirut and contributed to Al Jazeera.
	Why is it every time we track down a lie, we end up finding people connected to Qatar or Iran behind it?
	So this is why you're hearing both sides of the story.
	Adam, what do you want to say about this story?
	Well, look, when Dave Smith is calling you out for being anti-Israel, you probably have a problem, Candace, Ian Carroll, because Dave, who we've known for a while, has made his name over the last year criticizing Israel.
	In fact, at Turning Point USA, when Charlie was hosting the debate between Dave Smith and the other gentleman, he asked him point blank, is Israel an ally of the United States?
	Dave Smith said no.
	So that's where Dave Smith is, who happens to be Jewish.
	But here's a couple of different thoughts here.
	Candace is a shock jock, and she is such a good one, man.
	She is such a good one.
	So were Candace and Charlie friends?
	Yeah, they were.
	I challenge anybody, please help me out here.
	Show me one picture, one podcast, one evidence that they've even been in the same room in the last two years.
	The last thing I found, the last time they did anything, was on October 3rd, 2023.
	Ironically, a couple days before October 7th.
	Show me any evidence that they've been in touch.
	They've been in dialogue.
	They've done anything together.
	I would love to see it.
	So they were friends.
	I don't think they are friends.
	I think that Candace is capitalizing on Charlie's death.
	I think she feels horrible.
	She doesn't feel good about this.
	But Candace is an opportunist.
	And if we know anything about Candace, over the last couple of years, has she been biased, non-biased towards Israel?
	In my mind, she's been blind with rage.
	So, you know, there's people that you cut out of your life.
	Yeah, we're not like how many people that you used to drink with, you're like, dude, I can't hang out with you anymore.
	The majority of the people, because that's all we had.
	That's all we had in common was drinking.
	But you still had friends.
	Of course, I still have friends.
	We kept at them, though.
	I did.
	Thank you.
	But you kept, thank you for that, Pat.
	You still love them.
	You still care about them.
	1,000%.
	You just don't hang out with them.
	They don't have nothing in common right now.
	That's Candace and Charlie.
	That was early, though.
	They started.
	10 years ago.
	Five years ago.
	They were friends.
	Show me evidence that they're still friends.
	Hold on, Eric.
	Hold on.
	If you want evidence, actual receipts, actual, not opinions, not I feel, actual receipts, well, uh, Bill Ackman brought receipts, but what about Andrew Colvett?
	Andrew Colvet, who we all know, is the executive producer of the Charlie Kirk show.
	Look at his posts on X.
	To sum that up, he basically said, Yeah, Candace is lying.
	He basically said, Bill Ackman and when did he say that?
	Look at his tweets right now.
	They said, Uh, Bill and Charlie were cordial, they're friendly, there was no conflict.
	We were in the room the entire time.
	Did he say that?
	Yeah, straight up.
	Fact-checked me on this.
	So at some point, we're going to have to acknowledge something about Candace.
	Here we go.
	Here we go.
	Can you read this?
	I've been asked about Bill Ackman more times.
	I was traveling with Charlie Kirk to find out what's the true body.
	His team was with him 100% of the time when he wasn't in the hotel room.
	Here's what they told me: Bill never yelled at Charlie, never pressed him on BB, never gave him a list of Charlie's offenses against Israel.
	There was concern raised about having Tucker at SAS.
	What is that?
	SAS?
	Student Action Summit.
	Student Action Summit.
	And Charlie's reply was: Honestly, people telling me not to have Tucker makes me want to have Tucker, and I'm going to lock him in for Amphest II.
	Charlie personally told me he had a very cordial relationship with Bill, and the event was productive.
	Those are the facts.
	Okay.
	So that's subtly saying, Candace, you have no idea what you're talking about.
	Can we agree upon that?
	So at what point are we going to say, well, maybe Candace just is completely unbiased here.
	So there's justified criticism of Israel?
	Sure.
	Biased or unbiased?
	Biased.
	You meant to say biased.
	You're saying she's biased towards Israel.
	Or against Israel.
	Oh, okay.
	Is that fair to say?
	You're being biased.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	So there's justified criticism.
	There's unjustified criticism.
	There's lies and deception.
	And then there's just outright hate.
	I would ask you, what category is Candace in regarding Israel?
	I don't know if she outright hates Israel, outright hates Jews.
	I don't know.
	I'm not there.
	But is her criticism completely justified?
	Is it completely unbiased?
	Or is she using lies and deception here?
	Last point here.
	You offered Tucker $100 million to join Value Tame.
	True or false?
	Yes.
	Did you post it on Twitter at the time?
	We posted.
	We went to his place.
	We sent the guy to his place to make the offer.
	So there was a formal offer and a formal contract.
	Documented.
	If someone's going to offer Charlie Kirk $150 million, don't you think there's going to be a public statement, a contract, a tweet?
	Is it just, yo, buddy, you want $150 million?
	Come on our team.
	To me, it's nonsensical unless you show receipts.
	Candace, to her credit, showed a lot of receipts with Macron's wife's penis, whatever that is.
	She did an entire documentary.
	In my opinion, she took a year out of her life, and I'm not joking, to find his penis.
	I don't know where that is right now.
	But at what point is Candace going to say, you know what?
	I actually don't have any receipts whatsoever.
	I'm just stoking the flame and making a name for myself with my former friend's death because I see zero evidence that they're even still friends.
	And now you have the executive producer of Charlie Kirk's podcast, Andrew Colvett, basically saying, Yeah, Candace is not telling the truth.
	Point blank.
	Eric, you were going to say something.
	Well, I was just going to say, I was going to agree with you, Adam.
	Um, that early on, 2011, 2012, 2013, they were tight.
	They grew TPUSA like crazy.
	I was shocked to see her leave until I being part of TPUSA.
	Her theories got a little, just a little bit too down the rabbit holes.
	It was just, it was too extreme for their taste.
	And Charlie, to his credit, kept a friend, a cordial friendship with her for years, but it hasn't been a communication pipeline back and forth between the two for many years.
	That's why I don't know why we give Candace Owens' assessment anyway at all.
	Because we're reasonable.
	There's a lot of people.
	She did a tweet.
	There's 10 million people, 10 million views who trust Candace.
	At what point are we going to say Candace gives opinions?
	Is the FBI?
	Is the CIA?
	Is anyone in the intelligence saying we have credible evidence to find that Israel is at play here?
	Zero.
	This is Candace spouting on the internet.
	And at one point, are people going to be like, we just can't trust what she's saying?
	Last thing about Candace.
	And every time I've hung out with Candace, I've enjoyed my time with Candace.
	I think she's cool.
	I think she's fun.
	I think she's gone down a deep, dark rabbit hole the last couple of years.
	That's my opinion.
	Her entire career, you can almost assess that it's Jews or very pro-Israel people that have put her on.
	And she slapped them all in the face.
	Dennis Prager, Dave Rubin, Charlie Kirk to an extent, Ben Shapiro on Daily Wire.
	They all gave her a platform.
	And then she just spits in all their face.
	And now none of them want anything to do with him.
	It's very reminiscent in a weird way of the U.S.-China relation.
	Who opened up China's role in the world and the World Trade Organization?
	Wasn't it Richard Nixon?
	Didn't Bill Clinton open up a trade organization with China?
	And now China is our biggest competitor?
	And they basically spew anti-American rhetoric and try to tear down American hegemony around the world.
	At some point, you would say this.
	We've said this in the podcast.
	Have a little respect for what America's done for you.
	But now China has no respect for America.
	They want to tear down America.
	That is very symbolic of what Candace is doing to Israel and the Jewish community.
	Vinny, I mean, I'm happy that you said it.
	And I think we said this once before.
	She doesn't hate Jewish people.
	She clearly doesn't like Bibenette and Yahoo and what Israel does government-wise.
	I wouldn't ever put a blanket over it.
	And you guys know me, but in this situation, we have the guy.
	We have the suspect.
	We have his boyfriend.
	We have text messages.
	We have video jumping off the roof.
	There's evidence.
	There's DNA.
	There's everything.
	So is the FBI lying to us?
	Like, there has to be a line.
	And I thank you for the podcast because I was, my brain was going here, but you have to be able to come here and go, okay, this is happening here.
	This is how my feelings are right here.
	They have the guy.
	So unless people are saying, because let's strip it all down, if Israel's behind it, how did they do it?
	Show me, please.
	Give me the proof and I'll go, oh my God.
	No, you don't.
	No, Vinny.
	No, I want proof.
	You're being way too logical.
	No, no.
	You don't need proof.
	No, I asked.
	Just speculate on the internet.
	No, no, no.
	And throw out a bottle.
	No, like, for instance, the 150 million, I want to see.
	Show me.
	But the point is, the point is there's none.
	I don't.
	Well, that's why that's why I have a hard time.
	That's why I have all that.
	At some point, her credibility is going to go down the tubes because she needs to bring receipts.
	Bill Ackman brought receipts.
	How long was that tweet?
	It's still going.
	I think he was there in the room.
	Andrew Colbett was there in the room.
	You're on the board of Turning Point?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	When's the last time you saw Candace Owens?
	In person?
	Yeah.
	2015?
	2016.
	Okay.
	When's the last time she was at a turning point event?
	Not in many years.
	Okay.
	So let's say that.
	There's Candace is involved.
	There's no question proof that Candace Owens is nothing, has nothing to do.
	She would be in a perfect world if they didn't have this, what I already know was a quiet breakup where she got too rabbit hole for him.
	She would be the logical heir to the TPUSA throne.
	But she's not.
	And now she's not even invited.
	Correct.
	So this is their divide is broken.
	Wait a minute.
	Not invited, meaning.
	She's not even there.
	Yeah, she's not one of the names.
	You don't think she'll be at the funeral?
	No, no, no.
	That's not the funeral.
	She's not an heir to say TV.
	She doesn't speak at the events anymore.
	I mean, Erica.
	That's a reason for Kirk.
	I mean, what is Erica Kirk's relationship with Candace at this point?
	Is there a relationship?
	I don't think so.
	Why do you not think so?
	Because I live in this world.
	I live in this world.
	You know this world.
	Tell us.
	I don't see them together.
	I don't think Candace has created a lane for herself.
	It's her own lane.
	She wants to go after McCrohin's husband or wife or whatever you want to call them.
	She wants, I just, I agree that I think it's cheap that she is sparking this up like she knows something between Ackman and Charlie.
	For what reason?
	For what reason?
	To me, you turn money.
	To me, I think when I look at, I look at talent, I look at reason, then I look at if it's improving the situation in America or making it worse.
	Talent.
	You have dinner with Candace, you're with her, capable, great communicator.
	You put the camera on, she shines.
	Camera's on, she shines very well.
	And we've had her on with us at the Derby.
	We've spent time with her.
	She's been to our house many times multiple times.
	We've had dinner.
	Super capable person that we've had these conversations together with.
	Spent time with her husband, smart guy, good guy.
	They're a very good story together.
	You go to the other side on positions taking, okay?
	When you take the positions that you've taken on what you're saying.
	All right.
	Is it for business purposes?
	It's obviously working.
	Her live stream was massive yesterday, bigger than anybody else's that took place.
	We had a live stream that we did on election night.
	We hit 282, 283.
	I don't know what the number was.
	Google told us it was the biggest in no, no, concurrent.
	She hit 266 yesterday by herself.
	Listen, the numbers are the numbers.
	But it doesn't mean it's the right message.
	Hit them up.
	A rap song blew up.
	Does it mean it's a good song for everybody?
	Who listened to it?
	I'm trying to really see if you want to get eyeballs.
	Go write a song called F the Police.
	Oh my God, look at the song.
	Look how great it did.
	Okay?
	Yeah.
	Are you solving for eyeballs?
	Are you solving to be a sinner just to bring America together at a time like this?
	I don't know.
	And by the way, I'd love to see the profile of people that are watching all of it.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what's going on.
	I do know she was, you know, she has a her, you don't need to read between the lines to see how many times she takes shots at Ben Shapiro.
	I get it.
	I see it.
	Okay.
	You guys had a fallen out at where you were at.
	And it brings me to the last thing, which is by far the most important thing.
	You know what the most important thing to me is?
	It's the following.
	How does Erica feel about it?
	I don't know.
	By the way, if Candace and Erica are speaking every day and she's saying, oh, thank you so much, Candace, for doing it.
	Please keep talking about it.
	Then awesome.
	I'm with it.
	Keep doing it.
	But if Erica is sitting there saying, dude, can you just stop for one week and make this about my husband's funeral that's coming up this Sunday?
	Just take a one-week break.
	If Erica is supportive of everything Candace is doing, guess what?
	Awesome.
	Respect.
	And I don't know that.
	Maybe Erica and Candace are best of friends.
	By the way, full, what's the word?
	Full disclosure.
	Full disclosure.
	I've never had a text phone call with Erica before.
	Only time I've said hi to Erica is when Charlie was there.
	And we've never spoken.
	So I've never had a conversation with her.
	She's always been very respectful, very sweet.
	And obviously her number one priority is God and her husband every single time.
	So if Candace and Erica are speaking and Candace is saying, Erica is saying, Candace, thank you so much for defending my husband.
	Thank you so much for doing this.
	You're so amazing.
	Candace, double down.
	But I don't know if this was me and you're jumping on the numbers and all this stuff while this is taking place.
	And my wife is like, Vinny, can you not make this about you?
	Adam, can you like stop?
	Can I have this moment with my husband?
	Can we not already start with all this stuff?
	Can we?
	Can we just like pump the brakes a little bit?
	This is too much.
	You're not making my life any better right now.
	I'm trying to put an event together with 65,000 people in a place and everybody who's coming in, their biggest fear is what?
	How is this place protected?
	How?
	Trump's going to be there.
	JD Vance is going to be there.
	Junior is going to be speaking.
	Tucker's going to be speaking.
	Miller's going to be speaking.
	Hexett's going to be speaking.
	RFK is going to be speaking.
	Tulsi is going to be speaking.
	His wife's going to be speaking.
	She's trying to overcome that while trying to continue getting the organization going and all the rumors.
	Who's going to run it?
	Who's going to replace Charlie?
	Who's going to do this?
	Do you know how much pressure is on her and her team?
	So to me, take all the talent and the relationship out.
	What it comes down to is, Candace, if this is improving the current emotional state Erica's at, keep at it.
	If it's not, take a few days off and start next Tuesday or Monday.
	Just let it be about Charlie.
	Let's not put it on anybody else right now that they're increasing the temperature.
	And I understand, you know, the one thing with Candace, Candace is going to do what Candace is going to do.
	That's true.
	You know, she's not the one that's going to be, you know, it's Candace.
	Candace is going to do what Candace is going to do.
	And that's the double-edged sword.
	But that is the way I process this issue here.
	You know, I process it purely from the lens of Erica and the family.
	Simple.
	That's how I process this.
	Eric, I think you wanted to say something.
	Well, a couple of thoughts in there.
	You were earlier talking about let's give it a rest.
	Let's not capitalize on it.
	You have this mug here that says words talk, numbers scream.
	Her numbers are screaming.
	It's probably overruling her better judgment to wait a little while.
	There's a great movie, a Denzel Washington movie, Spike Lee movie out right now.
	It's on stream and I think Apple TV.
	It's called Highest to Lowest.
	And one of the subplots is ASAP Rocky is a rapper, young rapper, and he gets caught doing some really bad stuff.
	And the final scene is Denzel Washington, who finally gets him to, he catches him doing bad stuff.
	And his point was this rapper is like, I'm going to let you, Denzel Washington, sign me.
	Denzel Washington is a music executive.
	Let you sign me.
	And Denzel Washington, he's in jail.
	He's, why am I going to do this?
	You're going to be huge because you're going to sign the biggest rapper in the history.
	Yeah, but you're going to be gone for 25 years.
	Yeah, but you know how big I'm going to be from prison?
	That's the mentality.
	The mentality right now is let's get clicks.
	Let's get followers.
	Let's get social media digital footprints bigger reach.
	I don't matter.
	And it's kind of a metaphor for what's going on with people.
	I will also note that you said this: Trump's going to talk, JD, et cetera, Jr.
	There's another speaker here, and this may be a little controversial, but Suzanne Scott is one of the speakers.
	She's listed on that list, Sergio Gore, and then Suzanne.
	She's Fox.
	She runs Fox.
	She runs Fox News.
	Charlie was banned from Fox News for a long time.
	He was not allowed on that network for several years.
	Now, why is that?
	And they felt he was too extreme.
	They just, if you look, they felt that Charlie was that is the common wisdom.
	I spent 11 years with Fox, and I will tell you early on when Trump was first elected in 2016, Charlie Kirk was one of the young guys who helped Trump the first time.
	He started to grow, and then he was not on Fox for probably five to six years.
	And people were just, the speculation was Murdoch aren't very, never have been very pro-MAGA.
	They just haven't.
	But so it's almost a little hypocritical that Suzanne's going to be one of the people speaking because they kept him off Fox for many years up until recently when they brought him back on.
	I do notice Charlie had a big ad campaign on Fox.
	You see him on some of the breaks.
	It may still be running.
	So he started to spend a lot of money at Fox and then they brought him into COPE to fill in on one of the weekend shows, Fox News.
	Sunday, yes.
	That's right.
	With a little girl comes running to him.
	So they made amends.
	But they made amends.
	Most recent, Adam.
	It was within the last six months.
	Look back before that.
	It was years where he didn't appear on Fox, not Hannity, not Laura Ingram, nowhere.
	I just find all of a sudden he's welcome.
	And, you know, wall-to-wall coverage for the past week on Fox of Charlie is like, you got to do it, I guess.
	But here's another example of not staying true to what you have been.
	They didn't even acknowledge that.
	Let me affirm what I think Pat was saying: that Erica, you always say, who's the last person in your ear?
	Who's the last person you speak to?
	Well, if you're married, it's usually your wife.
	Nobody knows you more than your wife or your spouse, your significant other.
	That's what I think you're saying with Erica, respectfully.
	So, yes.
	What we also know is that we have something that you talk about being a part of the inner circle.
	So, who was Charlie's inner circle?
	Well, one of them was definitely Andrew, right?
	He was executive producer.
	So, I think he has, beyond the wife, the next most credibility here.
	So, he just basically said that Candace was lying in so many words.
	Number two, is Candace speaking?
	If they were such good friends, why isn't she speaking?
	I don't know.
	I don't know if she's going to be there.
	I don't know.
	But there's nothing indicating that they're still friends.
	And I think Pat is absolutely right.
	By the way, who they're doing sort of like this, you know, group effort to host the Charlie Kirk show.
	Did they pick Candace to host the show yesterday?
	No, but they picked the Daily Wire crew.
	They picked Ben Shapiro and Matt Walsh and the gang, Michael Knowles.
	I mean, the proof is right in front of our face.
	So I don't know.
	Right there.
	They didn't pick Candace.
	My opinion, this is my opinion, is that Candace was friends with Charlie, not is friends with Charlie.
	And there's clearly from 2023 a divide.
	You were part of our crew.
	You are no longer part of our crew.
	That's my opinion.
	Can I show one clip of Candace?
	This is her words of how I think Candace handles situations.
	I've never said that Candace is stupid.
	I've never said she's crazy.
	I've always given her credit, but I would not want to mess with this woman.
	Do you have that clip about don't you dare?
	Watch this.
	This is Candace in a nutshell.
	To those of you who think that you are going to replace Charlie Kirk, okay?
	Kings are born.
	You don't just get to depose and tell us that we're going to follow this individual, okay?
	I'm one of the Masons of Turning Point USA.
	You put a shill in Charlie Kirk's chair in Charlie Kirk's company, and you try to tell us to follow that individual.
	I will be an enemy of you.
	I don't, there will, there will be nothing that can stop me.
	Okay.
	And I want you guys to understand, this is not a threat.
	This is a promise.
	There will be nothing that can stop me.
	I will release every single text message.
	So to those of you who are trying that, I'm seeing the messages.
	I am telling you to back off right now.
	Like right now.
	Don't do it.
	Okay.
	Don't you think about it.
	I know exactly who you are.
	I know exactly who you were that were exerting pressure.
	Don't you pretend to be noble now and say nice things about Charlie Kirk and think you're going to slide into his chair.
	Okay.
	Over my dead body, which I'm sure can be arranged.
	Okay.
	What do you think she's saying?
	Do you think she's talking to Shapiro?
	I don't know if she's talking to Nick Fuentes.
	I don't know if she's talking to Ben Shapiro.
	I don't know.
	I mean, if you had to guess, we don't know.
	I don't think it's Nick Fuentes.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I would say Ben Shapiro.
	But she seems venomous and angry and passionate.
	When was that?
	That was two days ago.
	And so they put Shapiro in the seat yesterday after JD Vance the first day.
	Yeah, but Ben Shapiro, who, by the way, they just pledged Daily Wire, pledged, I think, a million dollars to Charlie.
	How much did Candace?
	How much did Candice give?
	No, no, we're agreeing.
	How much did Candace wanted?
	If he didn't give away Ben Shapiro wants it, it would be, he needs it.
	Ben is, he's done well, but he needs the Turning Point USA.
	He needs the money now.
	He needs the access.
	So I see why he did.
	But, you know, turning point, I don't know who she was talking.
	She had to be talking to Ben Shapiro.
	I don't know.
	Because I don't think she's talking to the TP USA management, the people who are going to decide who things.
	She was making threats of people who think they're heir to the throne of Charlie Kirk.
	Meanwhile, she didn't say she was either.
	But I would assume that either way.
	If she is talking about Ben Shapiro, and I have no clue.
	My gut was Nick Fuentes because he's trying to take the mantle for America first.
	Hold on away.
	Hear me out.
	He's got zero shots.
	You think if she had text messages with Ben Shapiro, after everything they've been through, they wouldn't have been released already?
	You think she's holding back?
	You think Candace is the type of person the last two years that has held back?
	You think she's got a Trump card that she's ready to expose Ben Shapiro?
	But she's used all her bullets, so to speak.
	I'm trying to see what you're saying.
	What's your point here?
	I'm telling you what you're pointing.
	I'm saying she is angry and venomous right now.
	And that is not a person that you want to mess with.
	She's capable and she's filled with rage.
	That's all I'm saying.
	Do you think on the Power versus Force chart?
	Yeah.
	I'd love to see where Pat thinks about this.
	Rob, if you could pull that up.
	Power versus Force, please show me where you think Candace is operating on.
	Vinny, where do you think she's at?
	Show me.
	She's Power versus Force.
	Where do you think she's at?
	Let me see the chart.
	We just did this at the vault.
	If I had to where go to the third level right there.
	Okay.
	Can you punch in, Rob?
	She's angry.
	She's in anger.
	So she's at 150.
	Yeah.
	She's angry.
	Which a lot of people are.
	So she's below the bad thing.
	That's just, guess what?
	I fluctuated all over this damn thing.
	But I think, Adam, because you know what she's talking about, if it is Ben Shapiro.
	You think that's not a bad thing?
	No, I didn't say it's a good or a bad thing.
	I just said where she said it's not a bad thing.
	I'm saying at a time like this, it's good to be there?
	I do.
	Tell me why.
	I think we need to be there.
	Tell me why.
	Because the left will tell you, let's go back to unity.
	Let's tone things down.
	Yeah, sure.
	Because you didn't just have one of your biggest, most influential human beings on your side assassinated in cold blood.
	It's not time to take the time down.
	I'm not disagree with you, man.
	I'm not suggesting violence.
	I'm not suggesting violence at all.
	But I'm saying stay pissed off, stay angry.
	I had a tragic loss in my life.
	I lost a child in college.
	You do go through stages of grief, confusion, sadness.
	For this, I announced at 11.13.
	I'm sorry, 4.13 p.m. last Wednesday, Charlie Kirk had died from the gunshot from the assassin.
	I went immediately to anger.
	There are people crying on the set.
	You guys have the clip somewhere, but people are starting to cry in the set.
	And I just went right to, I'm fucking pissed off.
	This is enough.
	We're not going to sit down.
	And I don't mean hurt people.
	I mean, use your voice.
	Charlie was killed because he used words.
	We need to say, I am Charlie Kirk.
	I'm going to use my voice to let the world know what I believe.
	And no, I'm not going to tone it down left.
	It's not time.
	I'm not ready to pass that stage of grief.
	Well, Benny, go back to what you're going to do.
	But you could show that chart.
	That's, oh, yeah.
	Oh, so, well, what I'm saying is, like, Pat, think about it.
	If God forbid one of us was taken out, I would go right to anger.
	I'd be furious right now.
	And again, Adam, I don't know the relationship.
	I don't know how close.
	I mean, they were close back in the day, but right now, you don't know if they texted the day of or days before or any of that.
	But in regard to what you're saying about what she's talking about, I would assume it would be Ben Shapiro because what did Ben Shapiro say a couple days after the assassination?
	I'm going to pick up the bloody mic and I'm going to keep going.
	So you can, but no, no, no.
	He's on his own show.
	No, no, no.
	He's going to go on coppice short.
	No, understand what I'm saying.
	She's saying her thing is nobody's going to come and take it because she knows that they're coming on that set.
	That's what she's saying.
	I don't think it's that.
	But I think, Pat, I think she's angry right now.
	Adam, where do you think she's at?
	She's filled with rage.
	And listen, there's a business model to use people's emotions and anger and monetize that.
	To me, that's exactly what she's doing.
	But we talk about power versus force.
	My question is, okay, the one person who has the right to be angry in every emotion, one person, that's his wife.
	But what are his inner circle acting?
	Andrew, who we know very well, is being very reasonable right now.
	And he's hosting shows.
	He's making plans.
	He's calling out lies.
	He's acting with reason and with love for Charlie.
	Candace is acting with absolute anger and desire for eyeballs and for clout.
	So to me, who's closer at this point?
	Just answer this one question.
	The executive producer, Andrew, who's with him every day, or Candace, who was friends with him five, 10 years ago.
	So that's where I go with this.
	I think even the better one to go to is not even the executive producers.
	The wife.
	Where's the wife at?
	Of course.
	Show me where the wife's at.
	The wife?
	Yeah, where's the wife at?
	To be honest, she's probably all over the map, man.
	Courage.
	And she gave the 17, 18 minutes shot.
	She was angry.
	She was angry.
	No, she was courage.
	Courage.
	His wife wasn't angry.
	She was nice.
	She was poised.
	She said God was with her.
	She said that line where she said, the tears of this widow will echo like a battle cry.
	That's anger.
	But she also showed immense courage and willingness to speak out on Charling's behalf.
	Where do you think she is, Pat?
	I think it's love.
	I think it's love.
	I think it's up there.
	I saw love and I saw a mother who is going to, she said an example for a lot of people.
	You said what Anakis.
	Anna Kasparians is more angry than Erica.
	That's why she gave Erica the kind of credit that she did.
	I don't know.
	Where do you think Candace is?
	I think Candace isn't above.
	I think Candace is on the bottom of it, not at the top of it.
	I think Candace is at the, you know, if Candace, if Candace wanted to, she says that, and I'm not going to, kings are not born.
	So is Candace going to go on the road?
	Is she going to do that?
	Maybe.
	All right.
	I'd be curious to know who shows up if Candace goes on to universities.
	I would actually like to see her go to universities, obviously with protection.
	I want her because she's got a family.
	She's got kids.
	She's got a beautiful family.
	I'd like to see her go and see who shows up and who defends her.
	I actually would like to see if she did go to school, what types of people would roll up to defend her.
	I would love that.
	I don't know if you understand what I'm saying.
	Of course.
	So go and see who shows up.
	Is it going to be peaceful people showing up?
	Maybe.
	Is it going to be chaotic?
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	You will very quickly, look, when you go to the Vault conference and we had nearly 8,000 people in the room last week, you don't know who's going to be in the room.
	And then you look around, you're like, husband and wives, kids, families.
	Palestinian guy who's a Muslim says, I disagree with you because of what you say about Islam, but I love you, Patrick.
	And you're just looking at everybody.
	You're like, all right, so that's our audience.
	Sometimes put an event on, let's see who your audience is.
	I'd love to see it.
	I'd love to see who the audience is.
	Maybe the audience is the turning point USA audience.
	Maybe the audience is young conservatives.
	Maybe it is.
	Maybe the audience is that.
	But I'd like to see if she's saying that, is Candace going to be going and doing what Charlie did?
	I don't think she will.
	Neither do I think she needs to because I think she's got kids.
	I actually don't think it's a good idea to do it as a mother.
	I think it's better for her to stay home and take care of the young kids.
	She's got very young kids.
	And I wouldn't want her to put herself in a risk situation.
	But I, look, let me tell you.
	Last night, I'm reading this about crows and eagles.
	You ever heard this story of crows and eagles?
	Let me read it to you.
	The only bird that dares to attack an eagle is a crow.
	But the eagle never fights back.
	Here's why.
	The crow is the only bird bold enough to sit on the eagle's back and peck its neck at its neck.
	Relentless and annoying.
	But the eagle stays calm.
	The eagle doesn't flap, doesn't fight, doesn't waste energy.
	It does one thing.
	It rises.
	The higher the eagle soars, the thinner the air becomes.
	The crow, it can't handle that altitude.
	Eventually, the crow gasps, loses strength, and falls off.
	Not because the eagle attacked, but because the eagle ascended.
	Wow.
	Let the crows talk.
	Let them peck.
	You don't have to respond.
	Just keep going higher.
	They can't follow you forever.
	Your growth will suffocate their noise.
	So don't engage.
	Elevate.
	Wow.
	I don't know.
	I think whatever we're going through right now with the temperature that we have, we're going to be around for a while, God willing, if he wants us here.
	I think by 2035, we'll know.
	I'm being serious with you.
	I think by 2035, we'll know.
	A decade?
	Oh, I think it's going to take a decade.
	I think it's going to take a decade to see what's going to happen.
	10 years ago, when you went and looked at a lot of guys that everybody's like, who's the real business people on YouTube?
	Who's the real business people on YouTube?
	Oh, it's this guy.
	Oh, it's that guy.
	Oh, that's Mike.
	Oh, my God.
	It's that guy.
	90% of them are not around 10 years later.
	And you're like, dude, I thought that guy was going to be this.
	I thought this guy was going to be this.
	And let's go 10 more years.
	Okay, everybody talked trash about Trump in what year?
	70s?
	80s?
	90s?
	2000s?
	Where is he at right now?
	Two-term president, number one show 15 years, multi-billionaire, and raise good kids.
	What do you have to say about that now?
	But it took 79 years.
	Sometimes you just got to wait.
	There's going to be a lot of noise for a long time to come.
	And I wish nothing but the best for everybody in this space.
	I only encourage people to know the role they're playing and see what's best for America.
	Of course, everybody, when the founding fathers created America, they had a problem with two things.
	How do you manage the nasty side of ambitious side that every human being has?
	And this is stemmed from passion.
	And how do you decipher between the people that know how to reason?
	So they created the whole thing, which was like, well, we went from monarchy.
	I tell you what to do.
	You better listen to it to a democracy.
	Everybody tells you what to do to a republic.
	Now we have representatives who speak on my behalf.
	And if I don't like them, I'll fire them and have another person in the next election.
	So I can't be controlled by the majority.
	Because if this was a democracy, holy shit, you're too rich, Elon.
	$450 billion.
	Now you're only worth $220 million.
	Why is that?
	That's a democracy.
	Republic is like, no, dude, I can be whoever I want.
	But the battle that they had long term, which they worried all the Madisons and the John Jays and the Hamiltons and Washingtons, their battle was how are we going to manage the natural individual selfish ambitions and passions that people have versus the people that are willing to make reasonable decisions that's best for the country long term?
	How do you manage that?
	It's been a problem 2,000 years ago.
	It was a problem 1,000 years ago.
	It's a problem today.
	It's going to be a problem 1,000 years from now.
	But sometimes you can't really see everyone's motives for a minute.
	And you just have to stick around and see what happens.
	Eric.
	You know, I said I jumped to anger immediately and I stay there and I still believe we need on the right to stay angry about this.
	And there's a fallout.
	There's a reason for this.
	The midterm elections are coming up.
	And again, if you think this is cheap using Charlie's death, I disagree.
	I say use Charlie's legacy, carry that into 2026.
	Let people know that the left is a party of violence, the party of hate, party of stifling speech that they don't agree with, the party of crime, the party of all the things that Trump has tried to change in America and use Charlie's death to stay angry and keep remembering and reminding the folks out there who are the independents in the middle going, not sure where I'm going to go.
	I'm not sure if I love Trump.
	I'm not sure what I want to do.
	But I certainly don't want the party that condones and almost supports what we saw on September 10th.
	That's not my party of choice.
	I think you were mentioning that earlier in the show.
	So that's why I'd say, not violently, with your words.
	Stay angry, folks.
	Stay angry.
	I am Charlie Kirk.
	That should be everyone right now.
	Yeah.
	Well, let's go to last couple things and let's wrap up.
	Rob, Kash Patel, if you can pull up the three clips of Kash Patel.
	Which one do we want to start off with?
	Let's do Kash Patel, Adam Schiff first.
	Then let's go to Kash Patel Corey, and then let's finish up with Kash Patel.
	Actually, let's do Kash Patel Adam, Kash Patel, Kennedy, then Kash Patel Corey.
	So here's Kash Patel and Adam Schiff.
	Go ahead.
	To believe that?
	Do you think they're stupid?
	No.
	I think the American people believe the truth, that I'm not in the weeds on the everyday movements of inmates.
	What I am doing is protecting this country, providing historical forms, and combating the weaponization of intelligence by the likes of Europe.
	And we have countlessly proven you to be a liar in Russia in January 6th, you are the biggest fraud to ever since the United States Senate.
	You are a disgrace to this time and an utter coward.
	I'm not surprised continue to lie from your perch and put on a show so you can go raise money for your charity.
	You are a political buffoon at best.
	Wow.
	Oh, my.
	Wow.
	Let us continue going to this country and the state and citizens of California.
	We have made historic reforms.
	But all you care about is a child sex predator that was prosecuted by a prior administration and the Obama Justice Department and the Biden Justice Department did squat.
	And what did President Trump do?
	Bring new charges courageously.
	And what have we done?
	Chairman Shaw.
	I'm the most transparent FBI director in history.
	33,000 pages of information to you.
	I challenge you to say anything credibly to the truth.
	Go ahead and run to the cameras where you want to go now.
	Oh, man.
	There's a lot of Americans who very much appreciate what he did to Adam Schiff.
	Cash one, shifty shift zero.
	Where do you think he is on power versus forrest?
	Gash Patel.
	He is just tired of him.
	He's tired.
	But I think he's actually being reasonable.
	I think he's reasonable and bringing receipts.
	Receipts.
	He doesn't like it.
	And Adam's being emotional.
	But here's the Kash Patel with Kennedy.
	Go forward.
	Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself?
	Himself.
	There is no credible information.
	None.
	If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals.
	And the information we have, again, is limited.
	So the answer is no one for the information that we have should be all the time.
	In the files.
	In the case file.
	Okay.
	And I think the central question for the American people is this.
	They know that Epstein trafficked young women for sex to himself.
	They want to know who, if anyone else, he trafficked these young women to.
	And that's a very fair question.
	I want to know that answer.
	And I think you're going to have to do more to satisfy the American people's understandable curiosity in that regard.
	Do you guys believe him?
	Do you believe Cash?
	Okay, so here's my question.
	You don't believe Cash?
	No.
	No, hold on.
	Nobody in their right mind, Adam, with all the information that we have.
	That he only had the girls going to him?
	Come on.
	Come on.
	Like.
	So you think.
	What?
	What about Prince Angel?
	Do you think Cash is lying?
	I think if you notice the way he answers, it's the words that he explains.
	And then Kennedy tried to clarify, and he said yes.
	So I don't know if you caught how he answered it.
	Do you want to?
	Let me ask you, Adam, do you believe that with all this crap with Epstein, he was just bringing girls to massage him and have sex with her?
	I don't know.
	What do you mean you don't know?
	I'm asking you your opinion if you truly think that that's the truth.
	I would love to see.
	Yes or no?
	Senator Kennedy was like, I think the American people want to see this.
	And I think there's a lot of people that want to see this.
	I want to know what you think.
	Okay.
	From what you've heard for the past.
	You're asking me, if I put more trust, I'm not calling you out to hear me out.
	Go ahead.
	Do I trust Kash Patel more or Vinny O'Shaughness?
	Hear me out.
	I trust Cashmore.
	I'm not saying you're completely wrong.
	I'm not saying you're unjustified.
	I'm saying that's someone who I think has more credibility than someone like you.
	But that's not my question.
	I'm not a question.
	So again, I'm asking one more time.
	I'm on Team Cash.
	Okay, so ask the question.
	No, no.
	The answer is I'm on Team Cash.
	Asking Adam Sosnik, I don't even care about this.
	Do you believe you, forget we even saw that, that Jeffrey Epstein was just trafficking girls to come hook up with him?
	And Ghillain Maxwell may be on the side.
	No, Prince Andrew, no, nobody else, not the list, not the Bill Clintons, not the shit that you've been hearing, Adam.
	Not Bill Gates.
	Not Bill Gates, that his wife left him because of the relationship.
	Not Ehud Barak going with him and hanging out with him.
	Is Adam Sosnick?
	Do you believe?
	Stop.
	Forget about this.
	You think that he just hooked up with girls for himself?
	Honestly.
	I think he was bringing women to the island.
	And I think other people were on the island.
	And then they're all in the same room and they're all in there together.
	So he's trafficking them.
	They'll have sex with these people.
	I didn't say sex.
	Bless you.
	I didn't say sex.
	I think they were all on the island together.
	I don't know.
	So at some point, we all have to acknowledge.
	I don't know.
	No, but Adam, you just have an opinion, but you think.
	Okay, so you think yes.
	What do you know?
	I think yes.
	You're where I'm at.
	I think yes.
	For me, it's not even a question.
	But the question is, they just had Bill Gates at the White House two weeks ago.
	Yeah.
	Screen.
	Of course.
	So listen, there is a handful of ways I can go with this on what's going on here and why they keep saying this.
	It's a handful of directions I can go with this.
	This is the one area that I'm going to continue being curious because I want to know what happened here.
	And every time we have guests, there's more things that come up and reveal itself and it leaves the case more open.
	Because remember what Cash said to Adam?
	Shift, shift.
	All you care about is, you know, going after pedophile numbers when your previous administration could have done it and they did nothing.
	That's all you care about because you want to be able to go out there in the press conference and raise some money for your that's all you want to do, right?
	So he was talking about Epstein with Adam.
	Yes.
	And then Kennedy came back and asked the question.
	So I'm not, I'm not anywhere with where are you at with this Epstein situation?
	With this testimony right here?
	All of it, Epstein's.
	No, I listen.
	I think Cash is in a really, really tough place because he clearly answers to the president.
	He wants to make sure the president is good.
	And for whatever reason, they don't want the Epstein files out.
	There's clearly stuff going on.
	I don't believe Epstein did it for himself alone.
	I think there were other people involved.
	Definition of trafficking, underage women brought to an island.
	Other people have sex with that would that would be the definition.
	I go back to Obama administration, James Clapper.
	It was with the Snowden issue when Clapper was on the Hill testifying to the Senate panel.
	And Wyden, Senator Wyden, says, is the NSA snooping, spying on Americans?
	And Clapper says, not.
	He said something like.
	No, not necessarily.
	And it was that not necessarily part where everyone said, oh, he didn't really lie to Congress, but he did.
	He lied to the Senate panel.
	It was proven minutes after.
	Not knowingly.
	He had not knowingly.
	Not knowingly.
	That little qualifier.
	So I don't know what Cash is doing here.
	Probably just making sure that the position that the Department of Justice wants to go with.
	Remember, Pam Bonnie is his boss and Pam reports to the president too.
	It strikes me that there's more there.
	They're not comfortable telling it.
	I just don't think that was the best way to phrase that answer.
	What would, because my opinion, we share the same opinion, that was not truthful.
	Jeffrey Epstein was trafficking to a bunch of high-profile people.
	What would make him, who's telling him, hey, don't say anything.
	This is the official story.
	We're going to stick with it.
	Just go with this.
	Who are you protecting?
	Because the way that other people are going to see this is that he's protecting powerful people that don't want their names involved with this.
	And it's like, all right, everybody, stop talking about it.
	Look over there.
	Come on.
	Go over there.
	Something is fishy.
	And this is one of the worst looks, I think, from this entire administration.
	And it's not just me.
	There's people that are so disappointed in this, especially with Kash Patel.
	And by the way, I love the fiery moment.
	Good.
	Put Adam Schiff in this place.
	I think we have one more clip.
	But, Adam, there is something blatantly, obviously corrupt, and it's right in our face.
	And we've been talking about it.
	And it's the worst look on this administration.
	You obviously don't believe it's the president.
	You've said it.
	You don't think that somebody.
	What's the alternative?
	The people that were sitting with him, the Bill Gates and all these people and the Bill Clinton.
	It's the ultimate blackmail.
	It's the ultimate blackmail.
	And I write that.
	And right in front of you, you don't even know about it.
	So if you give up the list, how do you get these people to do what you want them to do?
	Exactly.
	So to me, it goes boom, boom, boom, boom.
	That's where it goes to.
	All right.
	If you announce it, you lost the control of these people.
	But they ran on, we're going to release.
	Not him.
	He never ran on it.
	He said it out of the way.
	147 was never ⁇ the 20 points wasn't his.
	He did say it in the interview with Compost, will you release 9-11 files?
	Yes.
	Will you release John F. Kennedy?
	I already have, but maybe more.
	Will you release Epstein?
	Yes.
	You know what?
	Maybe I don't know.
	Because it depends on sometimes people are going to be on those lists.
	So he didn't fully give that answer.
	PBD.
	We saw binders.
	Remember there?
	That was a joke.
	We could have done that over there.
	Nothing.
	It was promised.
	I'm in the camp where I want to see it.
	I think we should.
	Listen, if Trump's on it, be honest with you, no one will give a shit anyway two weeks later.
	Remember when he said I could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue to get elected?
	He could.
	And if he's on the list, it wouldn't matter two weeks down the road.
	I agree with you.
	Now, big donors, big influential people on both sides.
	He's got to be on both sides.
	Otherwise, we would have heard about it.
	He's on a second term.
	What?
	What's that?
	He's on a second term.
	Yeah, like he's not running for re-election.
	No, no, no.
	He has nothing to worry about.
	No, no, what I mean is he's on a second term.
	Release it on the first one.
	It hurts you.
	Release it on the second term.
	It doesn't hurt you.
	Right, right.
	So it's got to be a lot of people.
	The claim that Cash made that the Trump administration has done more to release the Epstein files, has done more to put the Epstein files out there than Obama and Biden combined.
	Is that accurate?
	Yes.
	They put out more documents, but Adam, out of hundreds of thousands of documents, I could give you 15,000.
	You'd be like, whoa, that's not saying anything.
	It's repeating the same stuff.
	This Cash and Corey, and then let's wrap it up.
	Here's Cash and Corey.
	I love watching stuff like this.
	And this is just in response.
	Corey Booker says that Kash Patel has failed as the FBI director.
	Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
	Do you want to say anything?
	Yes, sir.
	That rant of false information does not bring this country together.
	If you want to work on bringing this country, it's my time, not yours.
	My God.
	My God.
	If you want to talk about it, I follow you on your social media posts that tear my time apart to address you.
	Oh, you're lying about it.
	You can try all the innovation in this country.
	You had our time.
	Sir, you're a time.
	The people are sure to tell me what my time is.
	You can't watch the kids.
	You can tell me my time is over.
	You may be the charging.
	I'm not going to lie.
	I am not afraid of you.
	Mr. Chairman.
	I'm not afraid of you.
	Mr. Chairman.
	Point of order.
	Senator Booker.
	I announced at the beginning of this meeting that this back and forth talking over each other doesn't work.
	And I said if that happened, I had to tell nothing.
	$150 after the senator's time was up to respond.
	And he has the privilege to do that uninterrupted.
	Mr. Chairman, one point of view.
	Go ahead, Mr. Chairman.
	Watched him talk over us, and you've never once criticized him for us not even being able to get our questions out.
	He has been rude and disrespectful to senator after senator.
	And when the senators were not giving him a chance to answer, I didn't stop the senator either.
	Go ahead, Senator.
	How long is this channel?
	I think the FBI under my 7-hour leadership were failing this administration in this country.
	Why do we have 23,000 violent felons arrested this year alone?
	200, excuse me, a double increase from that time last year.
	Why is it that we have seized 6,000 weapons?
	Why have we found 1,500 child predators and arrest them?
	Why have we have 300 human traffickers in jail?
	Why have we found and identified 4,700 children?
	Why have we seized 1,600 kilograms of fentanyl enough to kill a third of the American public?
	A 25% increase alone from last year.
	88,000 kilograms of cocaine seeds, 7,800 kilograms of meth sees, and that's just on our criminal operations in summer heat.
	How is it possible that we are taking eight kilograms off the streets of the cities in New Jersey and preventing the deaths of 607,000 people this year alone?
	A failure of the FBI and my leadership.
	How is it that we have counterintelligence arrests already this year exceeding the numbers from the entirety of last year?
	33% increase in PRC, 83% in Russia, 60% in the CI space as it relates to Iran.
	And we haven't even talked about CT, the southern board of the northern border.
	Before Senator Cruz, I kind of want to.
	Pause right there.
	Pause right there.
	Thank you, sir.
	So you think Corey Booker's running in 2028?
	Yes, 100%.
	Yes, he will.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's going to put his name.
	He ran in 2016.
	When did he run?
	Yeah, he ran.
	Of course he is.
	He's so funny.
	Yeah.
	He's a funny guy.
	How bad of a look is that?
	I mean, when you're seeing Cash going after Corey and what he's saying, for who?
	For Corey.
	Well, we got to stop this brown-on-brown crime, guys.
	No, I think Corey.
	That guy's got to chill.
	He'll stand on the Congress floor in 24 hours and he's saying for 2028, Rob?
	Yes, according to you,Gov.
	It's saying Gavin is number one.
	We're missing one, though.
	Pritzker?
	Who do you think?
	The only one who would have a chance.
	None of those.
	Of them, I think Buddha.
	Michelle Obama, you're doing Michelle Obama again?
	Eric Bowling stopped him with the Michelle Obama thing.
	There's been no indication.
	No.
	Anytime someone's brought up Michelle Obama, I didn't.
	She's not doing anything.
	And now you want to bring her back from the dead political purgatory.
	Eric Bowling do better, sir.
	Adam, if Michelle Obama announced right now, where would she be on that list?
	Number one.
	Number one.
	Thank you.
	But she's never had political office.
	She might have to do it.
	Oh, really?
	She didn't trust me.
	If my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle.
	So we got to play in reality.
	Question for you.
	When the day Joe Biden opened up his Instagram account and posted a picture, I posted a comment saying you officially run for office.
	And this was like six months before he announced he's running.
	What year?
	Go back to it, 2019, 2020, whatever the timeline was.
	And what is the first day Joe Biden opened up his Instagram account?
	Pull up a.
	When did Joe Biden open up his Instagram?
	Ask Chad GBT.
	What day, what day did Joe Biden go open like he never had an Instagram and he started his first post ever?
	Yeah, you'll see right now.
	He opened up his Instagram account.
	When was it going to tell him when he was on his Instagram?
	You're saying Joe Biden?
	Okay.
	And then, boom, boom, boom.
	And then shortly thereafter, no, this is not a, there was a post he put up.
	He hadn't posted something for years or whatever it was.
	And when you started right off the bat, he's running for office.
	Rob, it's going to take you a long time to go find it.
	This guy's a quick time Instagram guy.
	But here's the point.
	Why did Michelle start a podcast?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Maybe it's therapeutic.
	Maybe it's to speak to the public.
	Maybe it's to become relevant again.
	Maybe it's to spend time with her brother.
	Maybe it's just to talk to other people.
	Maybe Jada Pinkett inspired her.
	I don't know.
	Maybe she's on top of an entanglement that's going on there with the podcast.
	But all I'm saying to you is it could be because the pressure that she has that she's finding a way to release.
	Or it could be she's planning on something with 2028.
	Maybe she just didn't want to go up directly against Trump.
	Because remember, there's a big difference between running in 2020, running in 2024, and running in 2028.
	You ain't going against Trump.
	You don't want to go against somebody that's going to get very nasty with you.
	Great point.
	Trump has no limits on how nasty he'll get with you.
	Is JD Vance going to get as nasty as Trump?
	No.
	Is Marco Rubia going to get as nasty as Trump?
	No.
	Who's going to get as nasty as Trump in 2028?
	Nobody like him.
	Except maybe his son runs.
	I don't think anybody's going to get ashy.
	Eric or Dawn.
	I don't think it is.
	So I think in this case, who knows what happened in 2028.
	Having said that, guys, if you enjoyed Eric Bowling, he's both on Manect and he has a podcast called The Edge.
	Rob, is this the video or is it a poll?
	This is still image.
	So The Edge, and we're going to put the link below to the podcast.
	Where can they find it?
	So just, it goes live tomorrow, and they'll tell you about The Edge very quickly.
	It's about male perseverance, risk.
	I've been a professional baseball player, been through that fire, went to Wall Street, been through that fire, named top trader in 2008 by Trader Magazine, Wall Street Trader.
	And then I went to Fox with the bright lights.
	I was in the anchor chair.
	I started to launch the five, sat in for Bill O'Reilly at his peak, and I lost the child, which is the fourth leg.
	So there's four fires, four traumas, four arenas I've lived through.
	And Patrick, I look at this podcast and yourself, and I say it's kind of like when I first started watching you, this is what it needs to be.
	It's about men, okay, being men.
	It's about finding the grit, the perseverance to dig deep for it and never quit.
	And I want to bring that out.
	I'm announcing this for the first time.
	My first guest is Brett Favre.
	And I will tell you, Vin, and I've known Brett a long time.
	He's a close friend of mine.
	We had a discussion about the years that he was really hooked on Viking then and things I've never heard before about playing, leaving.
	Was he high during games?
	It's a fascinating interview.
	And that's where I want to dig into what makes great men, people, women who support men, but women, mostly men, what makes us great?
	What makes us get up a fifth time after being knocked down four?
	That's an awesome first guess, Brett Favre?
	Gunslinger right there.
	I would like to announce that Patrick David has agreed to, I believe, the first week in November.
	Yes, November, yes.
	I believe so.
	Let me ask you, when you book Brett Farr on the podcast, do you email him or text him?
	I text him.
	I can text him right now.
	It's a very subtle thing.
	Tell them Pat Patrick's out.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Let me tell you, that was a dig.
	But let me tell you.
	Brett Farr to me, I will never forget one of the most annoying days of rooting for a flipping football game was when he was for the Minnesota Vikings.
	That year, Peterson had a couple fumbles in that game.
	It was driving me insane.
	He was playing so good around my sister's house watching the game.
	They should have won that game.
	And I wanted to see him win that year.
	I just wanted that redemption.
	I don't know if you remember this game.
	It was one of the sickest playoffs games.
	He was playing against.
	But you know who won that year?
	You know who won that year?
	Whoever won that year, that was God's plan for who won that.
	I think that's the year that New Orleans won.
	2006.
	And Drew didn't even play good.
	Anyways, that was.
	That was after Katrina, you're saying.
	That was a Drew Brees.
	But Brett Farr, we were rooting for him to win the Super Bowl.
	Anyways, Eric, great to have you on.
	Thank you.
	And gang, God bless everybody again.
	Remember, go to dtmerch.com.
	100% of whatever you purchase is going to Turning Point USA on the Team USA merch.
	Go to vtmerch.com, place your order, and we will see you guys on Friday.
	God bless everybody.

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