“Epstein’s Black Book Is REAL” - Epstein’s DARK Ties To Billionaires, Elites & Intel - Nick Bryant
Patrick Bet-David interviews investigative journalist Nick Bryant on the Franklin Scandal, Epstein’s black book, government coverups, and why an independent commission is needed to expose systemic child trafficking networks tied to elites, intelligence, and political power.
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Yes, I was telling you earlier, it's not as if the Epstein topic is going trending right now.
It's that people are interested in what's going on.
They're at the press conference on the 3rd.
You were telling me about that's coming up.
But for some of the people, when you talk about Epstein, the guys that they're the guys that follow the stories where they maybe watch a couple documentaries, they watch a couple of YouTube videos.
Then there's those guys that know the names of Whitney Webb and all the, and then there's the guys that know who the OG is that started all of this.
You kind of start a lot of this stuff.
So if you don't mind taking a minute, share your background with the audience so they know who you are and what you've done.
I got a roll in.
I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, a story of Powerbroker's Child Abuse and Betrayal.
And Epstein, it's about a child trafficking network.
And Epstein, in many ways, is a carbon copy of the Franklin scandal.
And I started doing research on the Franklin scandal in 2002.
And then the book, I spent seven years on it.
It was published in 2009, 2010.
And at that point, I was pretty exhausted.
When you go as deep into a child trafficking network as I went, I mean, I interviewed like a blackmail photographer and a lot of other and found lots of victims and interviewed them.
And it was just the story of Lawrence King.
Yeah.
Yes.
Yes, Lawrence King.
Which is a horrible, horrible story.
Frank Spence, yes.
And so I spent seven years on that.
And then the book came out and no one wanted to touch it.
I mean, and I live in New York City.
I live in the epicenter, the mecca of media.
And I have had a lot of friends in the media.
And I thought, well, I know so many people in the media that certainly they're going to help me.
And I was only helped by one person, which kind of surprised me, Malachi McCourt.
He's a fairly famous author.
And Malachy and I were pretty good buddies.
And he was the only one that really tried to help me.
And then it just kind of withered.
And I mean, I was on some podcasts with crazy people talking about the Illuminatian shapeshifting reptilians and things like that.
It was very demoralizing at that point to spend that much time.
Why do you think they didn't have interest?
And by the way, for maybe the average person that doesn't know about the Franklin cover-up, the Community Federal Credit Union and Lawrence King, maybe share that story a little bit because it is a very controversial story.
Well, in the 1980s, Lawrence King of Omaha ran a child trafficking network with Craig Spence of Washington, D.C.
And they would fly kids mostly from Omaha.
They would get a lot of kids from the orphanage, Boys Town, and then they'd fly them to D.C.
And at D.C., there was Craig Spence's party house that was wired for audiovisual blackmail.
And if someone decided to partake of any illicit goods at Spence's home, they would be blackmailed.
And Spence was a CI asset.
All his, I wrote a second book called Confessions of a D.C. Madam, The Politics of Sex, Lies, and Blackmail, about a guy who ran a gay escort service, and he let, and Spence used his escorts to compromise closet politicians.
So I've written two books that pertain to Craig Spence.
And there was a Nebraska Senate subcommittee that tried to get to the bottom of what was happening, but they were rolled over by federal firepower, much like what we've seen with Epstein, with corrupt grand juries and the Department of Justice being corrupt.
So ultimately, what happened there was these grand juries, there were two grand juries, and I don't know if your audience is familiar with how grand juries work, because this will also come up with Epstein.
A special prosecutor is chosen to oversee a grand jury, and he or she presents evidence to the grand jurors that he or she deems important and also calls the witnesses.
So whatever special, and grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty, and they've been funneled to a grand jury.
When we hear the term grand jury, we think like the gods of jurisprudence have spoken for Mount Olympus, but actually grand jurors are just citizens that have been funneled to a grand jury.
And the special prosecutor has so much sway over the grand jurors that there's a famous quip from a New York Supreme Court judge that says, special prosecutors could get grand jurors to indict a ham sandwich.
And that's what happened with the Franklin network.
That's what happened with the Franklin grand juries.
And that's also what happened with the Epstein grand jury.
Except with the Franklin grand juries, the kids that wouldn't recant, the FBI came in and got most of the kids to recant.
The kids that wouldn't recant, there were two of them, were indicted for perjury.
Paul Benassi was indicted on three counts of perjury.
He was looking at 60 years.
Alicia Owen was indicted on eight counts of perjury from a state grand jury and eight counts of perjury from a federal grand jury.
And she was looking at 200 years.
And she still refused to recant.
Actually, both of them refused to recant.
And Alicia was fed to a kangaroo court.
And now, here's a kid that came forward when she's 20 years old.
They gave her nine to 15 years in prison for perjury.
And then the authorities really tried to destroy her.
They put her in solitary confinement for two years, nearly two years, to be punitive.
And actually, what's amazing is Alicia has somehow survived and is flourishing in life.
Is she still openly talking about it, or she's kind of moved on and doesn't want to talk about it?
Well, actually, I started a nonprofit 501c3 called Epstein Justice.
And we're seeking, we want two simple things.
We want to know why the government is covering up child abuse.
If you cover up a crime, you're aiding abetting that crime.
So we want to know why the government is abetting child abuse.
She's the one right there, Alicia Owen.
That is Alicia.
And we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.
And Alicia is an associate director of Epstein Justice.
So now, to give a little bit of context on the Franklin cover-up.
Lawrence King is coming up in a Republican Party.
He's a superstar.
He sang at the 1984 and 88 RNC.
1984, yeah.
1984.
Yeah, he sang.
So, you know, people are looking at this guy as a superstar, you know, potentially who knows what's going to happen with him.
And then there's the $30, $40 million scandal, which he goes away for the money, but nothing related to the events that were taking place with underage kids and, you know, the sex and all the stuff that's, that's the scandal that was happening with this, right?
Could you give a little bit more context about the story of Franklin cover-up?
Well, Lawrence King ran the Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska, and he used that as a front for his child trafficking network.
And what happened was he was able to stave off federal audits for a number of years, I think four.
And then he was audited and he came up $40 million short.
So a Nebraska subcommittee formed to look at his looting of the Franklin Credit Union because he hadn't been audited in a while.
But then when they started to form, people in social services came to them and they said King is running a nationwide pedophile network.
And they'd had various reports about King running a nationwide pedophile network.
So then the subcommittee started to look at those allegations too.
And they had an amazing investigator.
His name was Gary Carradori.
And he found a number of victims.
Actually, I had his records and he had a list of 60 victims.
And that was my job was to find these victims and get them to talk when I wrote the Franklin scale.
And a lot of the victims don't really use social security numbers.
They're marginalized.
They've come from lower socioeconomic dysfunctional backgrounds.
They've been molested repeatedly and drugs was always the carrot for most of them.
So they were given drugs and at a certain point they lost their youthful marketability and then they were just expunged by the network.
And so ultimately what you have there is a very dysfunctional individual that's going to go on to commit crimes and thereby compromise their own credibility.
And we saw a lot of that.
And I was able to find a number of victims and get them to talk to me.
And that was tough because some of them didn't want to talk.
And some of them, it took me a while to get them to talk.
And then some of them really wanted to talk.
But I went deep, deep, deep into this network.
Like I said, I even got to like a blackmail photographer.
And I was very, very disillusioned by what happened when the Franklin, ironically, the Franklin scandal is selling really well today, but it was not selling at all when it was published.
And people thought when I would tell them there's this nationwide pedophile network that is for very powerful people that's connected to the CIA.
People just didn't want to hear that at that point.
And I would be pitching editors and publishers, and I'd be looking straight at them.
And then I would tell them about this story, and I could see the cognitive dissonance occur before my very eyes.
They would think to themselves, this is really a horrible story.
You're saying there was ties with the CIA to the Franklin scandal.
I've heard you talk about Bush.
I've heard you talk about Warren Buffett's wife was working at that credit union.
No, no, she kind of wasn't.
She provided money.
She provided money.
Money to the credit union.
So what is the ties to CIA and Buffett?
I didn't find any ties to CIA and Buffett, but there's definitely CIAs to Craig Spence.
And he was definitely a CIA asset.
And he was the second pimp who was in Washington, D.C.
And I managed to acquire like 200 flight logs, like with Epstein, with the Franklin scale.
And most of them went to Washington, D.C.
And that's where the party house was.
And Craig Spence was a powerhouse lobbyist, D.C., somebody that a lot of the folks in D.C. respected.
So it wasn't like he was a lightweight guy.
Yeah, right there.
Spence registered with a U.S. State Department as a foreign agent for Japan and began lobbying for Japanese interests.
So he's got a very interesting background.
With both King and Spence, now this is my surmise.
Both King and Spence came from relatively lower socioeconomic backgrounds.
And King was sent to Thailand during the Vietnam War and given top security clearances.
And Spence was also in Southeast Asia reporting as an ABC reporter.
And now they both had kind of mediocre careers prior to Southeast Asia, but after Southeast Asia, it's like they come back to the U.S. and like their careers just rocket.
And my surmise on this is that King and Spence were, I mean, they were inveterate pedophiles, that King and Spence were probably busted molesting kids in Southeast Asia.
And then at that point, they were turned by some dark, malignant corner of our government that perpetrates things like Franklin, also perpetrates things like Epstein.
Yeah, and he was apparently giving late-night White House tours to boys and taking them in there and some very dark stuff.
And I think this guy ended up dying from suicide of the what, I don't know whether it was alcohol or drugs.
He committed suicide in the Wake of Washington Times Expose on his involvement with a prostitution ring and blackmail.
Yeah.
So dark guy on what he ended up doing.
His suicide was kind of interesting.
He was at the Ritz-Carlton, dressed up in a tuxedo, and he took an overdose, I believe, of notripoline, the antidepressant, but he had a number of notes that were scrawled out.
And then he had a newspaper article that was found right next to him.
And it was about CIA assets or agents that were forced to testify.
And because there was a grand jury that was gunning for him at that point.
I don't know if that grand jury was very corrupt.
I don't know.
But I think that with Craig Spence, Craig Spence was a lot like Jeffrey Epstein.
Was Craig Spence more like Jeffrey Epstein or Lawrence King?
I would say that Craig Spence was more like Jen.
In what ways?
He had the connections.
He had the power.
I would say that King or Ghelain Maxwell was analogous to Larry King.
As far as Ghelaine Maxwell built the machine that enabled Jeffrey Epstein to get kids, and Lawrence King built the machine that enabled Craig Spence to get kids.
Is there a link between Craig Spence and Epstein?
Did they ever meet each other or no?
No.
What's interesting about there's one link that I know of.
William Barr was the attorney general under Bush One that covered up Franklin.
And then he was also the attorney general under Trump first administration and he covered up Epstein.
So William Barr is a cover-up guy and he's been with the CIA forever.
And it's even on his Wikipedia page that he was in the CIA at a very young age.
No, I mean, you see, didn't he and Epstein actually go to school together or they were at a summer camp together?
There was some kind of a picture from them when they were kids.
Okay, so I was given a picture of Jeffrey Epstein at Interlock and Summer Camp.
Right.
And I was given a picture of someone that looked exactly like Donald Barr, who was also attending Interlock and summer camp.
Did it end up being him or no?
My source said it was, but then Interlocken said it wasn't.
This picture right here?
Yes, that's the picture.
Now that looks a lot like William Barr.
But my source says it was, and Interlocken says it wasn't.
So that's a wash.
Okay, so outside of the fact that the cover-up is tied to one name, which is Barr, that kind of worked on both cases together, there is no other direct affiliation or connection with not even Ghislaine to her father, Robert Maxwell, that's tied to Craig Spence.
There's no ties.
I haven't found any.
Okay.
All right.
So let's bring it up to today with Epstein.
You know, these stories have become more and more.
You have the Diddy scandal that just got finalized.
You got the Epstein one that's going up, that they have a press conference on September 3rd.
You have the recording that was dropped, the six hours, the recording that was dropped, the interview that they did with, is it Todd Blanche?
I'm going to say his name correctly.
Todd Blanche spent six hours with Ghislaine Maxwell.
And this is July 24th or 25th.
That was just dropped a few days ago.
Have you had a chance to listen to the recording and see what was said?
Was there any new things you heard in there that you hadn't known before?
Well, this is kind of interesting because someone called me before it came out and said, we're going to get it and we want you to read it.
But the Department of Justice reneged.
And so I had to read it when it came out with everything.
The person that called you, I don't need names, but the person that called you, are they in right now?
Are they working for the government right now?
Are they an outsider?
They're an outsider with a lot of Jews.
Somebody we would know or not?
Yes.
Yes.
We would know this person.
Yeah, you would know.
Okay, so this person has a connection with the insider that they wanted to give that to you, but they didn't.
Well, the transcripts were going to be given to him.
And he wanted me to read it to see, because he knows about my expertise in this area.
But they reneged the Department of Justice.
It's like with everything the Department of Justice does with Jeffrey Epstein.
It renegs on this ground.
Why do you think they did that?
What's your speculation?
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
Why they reneged in this particular instance.
I don't know.
Did you have a chance to go through it and hear what things she had to say?
Well, I did.
I mean, there wasn't really a lot.
Yeah, I didn't hear anything.
I mean, she exonerated Donald Trump.
And actually, she had told a former CBS 60 Minutes producer that Epstein had blackmail material on both Clinton and Trump.
But in this turn, I mean, it wouldn't be difficult.
There would be a lot of, it would be very advantageous for her.
Now, I'm not saying Donald Trump is.
I'm not saying he isn't, but it would be very advantageous for her to exonerate Donald Trump because she gets moved to a Cush prison.
And hopefully she doesn't get a pardon.
I mean, I'm really hoping that she does not get a pardon.
You think she will?
I hope not.
She led a lot of lambs to the slaughter, and she's a vile, evil woman.
So I really hope she doesn't get a pardon.
Got it.
Okay, so how did you start even from the beginning with Epstein?
I got the Franklin cover-up story.
So now you're seven years there.
They don't want to do anything with your book.
You meet this fellow who is the only one, you said, what's his name?
Malachi McCork.
Malachi McCork.
Malachi McCork, who's the one that's willing to entertain it.
And then later on, you know, your interest into Epstein, how did that Epstein story fall on your lap?
Well, with the Franklin scandal, when I was meeting with editors and publishers trying to get something done, I was represented by a fairly big agency, and then I gave them the Franklin book proposal, and they dropped me.
And then I had another very good agent, James Fitzgerald, try to sell the book, and he couldn't.
But I would be meeting with editors and publishers, and I would tell them about the Franklin scandal.
And I could see, as I said earlier, the cognitive dissonance in their eyes.
They would say to themselves, This is a horrible story.
I need to help Nick Bryant.
Or I can just write Nick Bryant off as crazy right now and have a nice meal with my family tonight.
So they all went that way.
And I was surprised because I had some, as I said earlier, some really good friends in the media.
So when this book came out and we could get no traction, I was talking to crazy people on podcasts.
I went through a deep period of despondency.
And then these reports about Epstein started coming up.
And this is like 2012.
And I saw that a grand jury, I mean, it was very obvious that he'd been molesting underage girls, but then I saw that a grand jury had exonerated him from molesting underage girls.
And that's exactly what happened with the Franklin scandal.
So I just felt, you know, I know a lot about this.
And I've kind of thrown myself into this area.
I've spoken at a lot of big anti-child trafficking conferences or anti-trafficking conferences.
And actually, I contributed a peer-reviewed chapter about trafficking with a number of people that work with trafficking victims that are psychiatrists and psychologists.
So I've been received in that world pretty well.
But I felt like I should go check this out, see what, you know, what's going on.
What did you learn?
Well, I went to Fort Lauderdale, Florida, beautiful Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
It was my first time in beautiful Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
And then I just started knocking on doors, the thing that I do.
And I ultimately got the black book, Epstein's Black Book.
Which Jelaine says does not exist.
Well, I've got it and it's on the internet.
So, you know, I mean, the black book has all of Epstein's contacts.
I mean, a lot of them are pedophiles and a lot of them aren't.
But I got the black book.
I don't know if you've ever revealed how you got the black book.
I got it from an attorney who was representing some of the victims.
It's kind of interesting how the black book came into my possession.
Alfredo Rodriguez was the house manager of Jeffrey Epstein and he ripped it off.
And his grand plan was to sell it to attorneys that were launching civil suits at Jeffrey Epstein.
And he contacted an attorney and said he said he had the holy grail to Epstein and that he would, all he wanted was $50,000.
So the attorney called the FBI, the FBI did a sting, and then ultimately they impounded the black book and Alfredo Rodriguez, who was given 18 months for that.
And so I ended up getting the black book.
And in the black book under massage, there's a number of names.
There's like 175 names.
And I started calling those girls, most of them are girls, and a lot of them were the victims.
And they told me about being flown around to different places.
And they also told me about being flown around to an island.
And at that point, I realized I'm dealing with a network that's very much like Franklin, that it was covered up and also it's flying underage kids around.
And I just I went back to New York with the black book.
And now the pool of editors and publishers that I could pitch it to was significantly reduced at this point because of pitching the Franklin scandal.
But I pitched it and nobody would touch it.
Nobody would touch it.
And I sat on it for three years.
And then finally, Gawker, I met John Cook, who was the editor-in-chief of Gawker, and they published it.
And then at that point, I had flight logs too.
So we published the flight logs and we published the black book.
And it's kind of funny.
We redacted the names of the adult or the numbers of the adults.
And then we redacted the names of the last names of the victims and then also their phone numbers.
There it is.
So with the black book, we published it and then the floodgates opened on the black book.
I mean, it was kind of funny.
Someone was waiting for someone to take the chance with the black book.
And then at that point, the floodgates just opened.
I mean, tons of ink have been dumped on articles about the black book since I published the black book.
So no one's interested.
No one's calling you.
Has anybody done a, have you gone to one of these JSA or heritage auctions to find out, to authenticate that this is the actual black book?
Has anybody authenticated it?
Well, I authenticated.
The provenance is through the FBI.
The FBI got it from Alfredo Rodriguez.
And then you got it from the FBI?
No, and then the FBI gave it to an attorney who I got it from.
So Alfredo gave it to the FBI.
No, no, the FBI impounded it.
He did not give it to them.
So FBI impounded it.
FBI then gave it to the attorney.
And then you got it from the attorney.
And it's the same exact one.
Yes.
So why would the FBI give it to that attorney in the first place?
What's interesting, I found, I don't know the exact mechanisms involved in that, but the Department of Justice was really gung-ho on covering up Epstein at all.
And I think that there were some people in the FBI that had some very strong misgivings about it.
I don't know exactly why the FBI gave it to the attorney, but that's my surmise on that.
Got it.
Okay.
So has any unique person, I talked to Michael Wolfe the other day.
He's got 100 hours of conversations with Epstein at his place, at his private residence in New York.
Steve Bannon has about 15, 16 hours when he was prepping him for how to recreate his brand in a media limelight.
And, you know, originally I thought it was Bannon's, but apparently Epstein's estate owns that recording.
So Bannon does not, based on what Michael Wolf told me when I had him on, has anybody knocked on your door?
Anybody interesting knocked on your door to actually see the black book that you have?
I mean, we put it up on the Internet and it's...
No, to actually physically see it.
No.
Would you sell the black book?
I mean, the thing about the black book is it's all over the internet.
At this point, and there's an unredacted ver, there are multiple unredacted versions of it.
So it's all over the internet.
And when I say black book, I'm not saying the people that are in there are exclusively perps.
Of course.
But a lot of them are.
A lot of them aren't.
It is.
Alfredo Rodriguez called it the Holy Grail, and it is the Holy Grail to a certain degree because it does show all the people that Epstein dealt with.
And a telltale, I won't say this categorically, but a telltale sign is if there's a lot of numbers, It means that Epstein dealt with them quite frequently.
And Alfredo Rodriguez circled people that he said were in cahoots with Epstein as far as the child travel.
And Ahud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel.
So there's a lot of powerful people.
And these are friends of his.
Is Alfredo saying these are friends of his?
They're saying what he's saying when they're circled is that Epstein was in cahoots with them as far as the child pandering.
Got it.
Okay.
Ehud Barak, which I asked Michael Wolf, you know, he's estimated 36 times he visited Epstein's private residence in New York.
What else did you learn about him and some of the others as you're investigating this a little bit deeper?
Well, you can get double corroboration in the respect that the ones that are circled, and then Virginia Goufri litigated with Ghelaine Maxwell.
And during those depositions, she named a number of her perpetrators.
And Ahud Barak's name is circled by Alfredo Rodriguez.
And Virginia Guffry named Ahud Barak as a perpetrator.
Actually, a very nasty individual.
Ghelaine Maxwell's name is circled, and Virginia named her as a perpetrator.
Leslie Wexner's name is circled, and Virginia named him as a perpetrator.
Jean-Luc Brunel's name is circled, and Virginia named him as a perpetrator.
Alan Dershowitz's name is circled, and Virginia named him as a perpetrator.
And William Bill Richardson, he was the former governor of Mexico or New Mexico and also Clinton's Energy Czar.
And his name is circled and Virginia named him as a perpetrator.
So you can get double corroboration between Rodriguez and Virginia Guffry.
I mean, it's not airtight and solid, but it's double corroboration.
Yeah, and he passed away in 2014, 2015, Alfredo Rodriguez.
Did you ever have a conversation with him?
I did not, no.
Okay.
And who did he tell that the ones that were circled were corroborated?
He said that the ones that were circled, he told the FBI that the ones that were circled were people that he felt were in cahoots.
And who from FBI told you that Alfredo said that?
The attorney.
And is that documented, or is it just you're speculating that the attorney told you that?
I would say it's the same provenance, but I wouldn't go 100% on it.
No.
Okay.
So we're assuming that this is fourth person.
Alfredo told the FBI, FBI told the lawyer, the lawyer's telling you, so we have to believe what the FBI is saying, that what the lawyer is saying is true.
Yes.
Okay.
So the credibility there is not really that high for me because that goes three tiers.
I understand that.
I mean, I think the credibility, the provenance on the black book, I think is 100% because it's been released since I released it.
Of the book.
Of the book being real.
Yeah.
Okay.
Have you showed it to anybody?
Have you, do you, do you, did you bring it with you today or no?
No.
I mean, Gonker published it in its entirety.
Who owns the black book today?
It's out there.
Anybody can own it.
I mean, it's been downloaded.
No, I get that.
The actual physical real black book.
Okay, so what I got was copies of the black book.
Got it.
So you don't have the original black book?
No, I do not have the book.
So the original black book, who owns the original black book?
It was Epstein.
I know.
So where is the original one now?
That I do not know.
Okay.
So in this story, we have not the original black book.
We have the copy of the copy of the copy.
And we're taking feedback from Alfredo Rodriguez that told the FBI, that told the lawyer, that the lawyer told us.
And so that, again, loses a lot of credibility.
Have you ever spoken to the FBI agent that spoke directly to the lawyer?
Have you spoken to that person?
I have not because it was an ongoing investigation.
The FBI has not given me any information whatsoever.
But as I said, I've got no doubts that the copy of the black book that Alfredo Rodriguez got was exactly what he had ripped off from Epstein.
How do you know that?
You have to realize, I'm a guy that's very self-control.
No, I understand that.
Actually, there's an FBI report on it.
I can send you the FBI report.
Okay, so the FBI report shows the exact copies that match what you have.
The FBI said that what they have was acquired from Alfredo Rodriguez, who acquired it from Epstein.
Okay.
So what were, you know, with all the movement that's going on today with Epstein, I think the second judge just prevented it from, did you see that one, Rob?
I'm sure you saw it as well, Nick.
Judge denies requests to unseal the Epstein files.
Now, this is a second one.
That's for the grand jury.
Okay, so you do from the local.
Which is very different.
Okay, so Epstein was arrested in 2019.
And there was a grand jury prior to that that indicted him on one count of child trafficking, I believe it was.
So that information wouldn't really give us a lot of the news or the documentation from that grand jury would not give us a lot of information because it was very limited in its scope if it only indicted Jeffrey Epstein on one count of child trafficking.
Are you from the school of thought that the current administration does not want to release this?
And if they don't, what are you speculating are the reasons why they don't want to?
My thoughts on this are, well, you had Pam Bondi.
Let's walk it back a little bit.
You had Pam Bondi in February say that she was going to release the Epstein files.
It was called the Epstein List or the Epstein List and the Epstein files are kind of synonymous.
She says that she was going to release it and then she released a nothing sandwich.
Now, the black book that she released was the black book that I released.
Except the black book that she released had everybody's name redacted.
We only redacted the numbers of the people, the adults in the black book, and then the people that were potentially victims redacted their last names and also their numbers.
So she said that she'd been burned by the FBI field office in New York City.
And that's why she, and that's why she served us a nothing sandwich.
And then she, you know, she keeps on putting herself in a bigger and bigger hole because then she says that she's going to release everything and that the only matters related to national security will be redacted.
So now she has to tell us why a bunch of child molesters have anything to do with national security.
So she keeps digging herself into a deeper hole.
And then she said that there's a trunkload of evidence that's being vetted.
And here's what, shortly after Epstein was arrested in 2019, the FBI sought open his safe.
And they pulled out, according to the New York Times, hundreds, if not thousands of discs and images of underage girls.
And Business Insider reported that they also pulled out hard drives.
So there were FBI agents or whatever dark, malignant corner of the government that deploys people like Epstein.
They were looking at that stuff that night.
I mean, I'm willing to put a lot of money on it, that they were looking at that stuff.
So for her to basically insinuate that they just started looking at this stuff in 2025 is, I mean, that's utter bunk.
That stuff was, it's like, so they impounded it, all these discs and hard drives from Epstein's safe, and then it was in the corner of the FBI where it was collecting dust.
I mean, that's completely ridiculous.
The FBI or whoever vetted that stuff knows exactly what was on it long before Pam Bondi became Attorney General of the United States.
So then why are they playing this game?
I think there's a couple of reasons.
I think that we have a political system that's rife with blackmail.
And I firmly believe that the people that hold the pictures are pretty powerful people that have a lot of juice.
And there was a Tennessee, a federal Tennessee congressman that came out about a year and a half ago.
His name is Tim Burchett.
And he actually said, my colleagues are being blackmailed in honey traps.
So a sitting U.S. congressman said that my colleagues are being blackmailed in honey traps, which I think is kind of amazing.
And I wrote a book called Confessions of a DC Madam, The Politics of Sex Lies, and Blackmail.
And it was from the perspective of Henry Vincent.
And he ran a gay escort service.
And Craig Spence would use his gay escorts to compromise politicians.
And we also saw that in the Franklin scandal.
So I got to a blackmail photographer.
And I was trying to get my mind around this because this is something that you really don't read about in books.
Now you can, because I wrote a book called The Franklin Scandal, but you really don't read about it in books.
And I got to this blackmail photographer who was unctuous, but I think that it's kind of funny with people that you cultivate as sources.
Some of them are unctuous.
They're not the paragon of morality.
But, and this has happened to me a few times, where early on they're pretty honest to you.
And then later on, something switches.
And then they're, and I had this with this blackmail photographer, but I'll give you the metaphor that he used.
He said, once you're compromised, it's like you're on a big, beautiful yacht.
And you can have anything you want on that big, beautiful yacht.
And it's a beautiful day.
And there's nothing but good times on the yacht.
But if you decide to get off the yacht, the people on the yacht are going to make sure that you drown.
And I think that that's a very good metaphor for how blackmail works in our political system.
Okay.
So you're, again, Nick, I'm trying to go as specific for the audience to get it.
So you're saying there's a blackmail operation going here.
That's your claim.
Is that fair to say?
Okay, so you're saying there's a blackmail operation going here.
When I sat with Michael, Michael claims that if Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent working for Israel, he would have been terrible because he had such a big mouth and he couldn't stop talking.
And he would always tell everyone's business to everybody.
He was always talking, right?
So maybe Israel could have used them, but in what ways, who knows?
And by the way, I haven't even asked you, is your speculation that the blackmail was tied to an intel agency where I'm sending assets information over back to Israel?
Is that where you're at as well, or no?
Because I know where...
Well, let's take a look at that.
People ask me this all the time.
Was Jeffrey Epstein connected to the Mossad?
And I say Jeffrey Epstein very well might have been connected to the Mossad, but I don't really see the dark side of the CIA that does this type of thing allowing the dark side of the Mossad to compromise American politicians on American soil without getting a cut of that intelligence.
So I think that actually there's a dark side of the Mossad, there's a dark side of the CIA, and I think that they were working together.
And the amount of power that was used.
So Alexander Acosta was the U.S. attorney.
And he was asked, I mean, he gave Jeffrey Epstein a sweetheart deal, and he gave all the co-conspirators blanket immunity.
And he was getting vetted to be Trump's labor secretary, and he was asked, why did you go so light on Epstein?
And he said, I was told that Epstein was intelligence and that I had to back off.
Now, there's only two people, I've talked to a number of legal scholars about this.
There's only two people in the government that can tell a U.S. attorney to stand down.
One is the attorney general, and one is the president.
A U.S. attorney isn't going to go out on a limb and cover up a bunch of child molesters unless he's told to.
And the attorney general isn't going to go out on a limb and cover up a bunch of child molesters unless he's told to.
And the sweetheart deal was in 2007.
So George Bush II and Alberto Gonzalez, George Bush II was the president, Alberto Gonzalez was his attorney general.
And that really shows how much power was deployed.
I mean, that came from the top.
That came from Mount Olympus to cover this up.
Okay.
So came from Mount Olympus to cover this up.
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One, he's given assets.
Two, Wyels could be the reason why they're protecting this guy, Epstein.
Because, and you talk about Epstein, Michael Booth talking about Epstein talking.
There was an article, I believe it came out in 2001.
It was from the Evening Standard, the UK.
And it was, I think, probably the best article that's been written about Epstein.
And it was talking about Epstein being a spook.
And it was saying that Epstein had said that he was CIA, but he no longer says that.
So that's a, it was written by Nigel.
I can't think of his last name, but it's a Daily Standard article and Nightly Standard article.
And it's a very good article.
It's a Nigel Farage or?
Nigel, I want to say Ross, but I think I can't remember his name.
Okay.
Evening Standard from the UK, 2001.
And all this homes rewarded for audiovisual blackmail.
According to two victims, his New York home, there was a secret, and this is exactly like with Spence's home.
There was a secret room, and it had monitors of the bedrooms and the bathrooms.
And according to one victim, there were men, as in plural, sitting in this room monitoring everything.
And then another victim said that she had been in the room, but she didn't talk about various individuals monitoring anything.
And his, I mean, every residence that he had had clandestine cameras.
So to say that he wasn't in the business of blackmail, I think, is very naive.
I think he was.
I actually think he was.
I'm just trying to see what.
Okay, so maybe let's talk about stuff that is currently happening.
Rob, do you have the link from CNN?
This is what CNN just posted today.
Okay.
And it's not normal for CNN to share a clip like this.
If you don't have it, Rob, I'll just text it to you.
So CNN, some would say pretty friendly to the Clintons.
They don't normally go after the Clintons.
And just out of nowhere, while everybody is kind of trying to move on with linking Epstein and Clinton, especially on the left, this is a video that they post on their Instagram account, I think just earlier today, if not yesterday, talking about an event that the Clintons recognized Jelaine Maxwell in 2013 after Epstein scandal.
So if you can play this clip, Rob, go for it.
Has uncovered photos and videos showing Delaine Maxwell being honored at a prestigious Clinton Global Initiative conference in 2013, years after she was publicly accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein groom and abuse minors.
May I have all of you who we are honoring today please stand up so that you can be recognized.
Maxwell was at the 2013 conference representing a nonprofit she founded, the Tara Marr Project for Ocean Conservation.
Information reviewed by CNN shows Maxwell was on a list of people who were approved for complimentary access to the conference.
And that access would have been personally recommended by either Bill or Hillary Clinton, according to a source familiar with the event.
In response, a representative of the Clinton Foundation told CNN that 600 comp tickets were given out that year, and Maxwell's access was made at the staff level, which included former President Clinton's office.
At the time that Maxwell was honored, British and American newspapers and tabloids had been covering Maxwell's involvement in the Epstein scandal for years, starting with a publicized lawsuit that mentioned her in 2009.
In fact, she had been served a subpoena for that lawsuit while leaving a different Clinton Foundation event that year, which was reported at the time by the New York Post.
The allegations surrounding Maxwell gained international attention in 2011 when Virginia Juffrey told the UK's Daily Mail that Maxwell had recruited her as a teenager for Epstein and had been involved in the abuse herself, which Maxwell denied at the time.
But in 2021, she was convicted of five sex trafficking-related charges and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Clinton staff had barred Maxwell from events by 2011, according to a source and information that we reviewed, which makes her appearance at the Clinton Global Initiative two years later even more striking.
But a representative of the Clinton Foundation told CNN, if that happened, it wasn't widely communicated.
Maxwell was in Clinton's orbit for years, attending a reception for donors at the White House in 1993 and even co-hosting a fundraiser for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in 2007.
A spokesperson for Bill Clinton told CNN, this is about someone working on ocean conservation attending a charitable conference 12 years ago, along with thousands of other people and nothing more.
As we have consistently said, what do you think about this?
What they missed was Ghelene Maxwell was at Chelsea Clinton's wedding.
That was in 11 or 2010 when she was at that wedding.
So, I mean, obviously, the Clintons felt enough about Ghelaine Maxwell to invite her to their daughter's wedding, which was the hottest ticket in town.
So, Ghelane Maxwell has been hooked up with the Clintons on a number of occasions.
What's happening now is, and Trump had come out and said, and I'm not a Republican, I'm not a Democrat, I've got no dog in that fight, but Trump came out and said that the Epstein thing is a Democratic hoax.
And a number of people are getting subpoenaed.
Alberto Gonzalez is getting subpoenaed.
The Clintons are getting subpoenaed.
James Comey is getting subpoenaed.
And actually, Alexander Acosta, his name wasn't among the people that were getting subpoenaed.
But now he is going to, I guess, volunteer to testify.
So I thought that that was kind of telling.
I don't really know if we're going to get a lot of information from that.
What we need, as far as Epstein goes, is an independent congressional commission to look into it.
I think that as long as it's just the government looking at itself, we're going to be subjected to the same perfidiousness regarding Epstein as we've already been subjected to.
What are the right questions we should be asking today?
Today, with everything that's going on, because, you know, the more and more you get of a story, people get to a burnout mode.
It's kind of like, okay, I'm burned out at this point.
I really don't want to talk about this anymore.
I already have an opinion on it.
What I think is going on, are you going to drop the story?
You're not going to be dropping a story.
I'm not going to see anything with this.
Are we going to have anybody getting arrested for what they did to these innocent children?
When I'm watching a documentary the other night with my oldest son, and you see one of the girls comes over to the house in Palm Beach.
Eventually, cops find out that there's too many young kids going from West Palm Beach over the bridge to this guy's house.
So they start monitoring, getting consistency with stories.
One girl goes there to give a massage.
She takes his clothes off and she says, I don't want to do this.
And he says, well, can you at least go find a girl?
Every girl you bring, I'm going to give you $200.
So she starts bringing a bunch of girls.
She brought 24 girls and she got paid $200 each time.
The youngest girl she brought.
We're talking about Haley Robson.
Yeah, she brought the youngest girl she brought was 14 years old.
So she made a few thousand dollars.
Then she goes and talks to the cops.
Then they say, you know, you're guilty because you're involved in this.
And she's like, I didn't know I was guilty.
How about all the other girls?
So at this point, we are very much on information overload with what there's documentaries on Jelaine.
There's documentaries on Epstein.
But what should we be asking today that maybe hasn't been asked?
What are those questions?
Well, what's really important that we ask, and 89%, according to a CBS poll, 89% of Americans want everything on Jeffrey Epstein.
The question that we really need to ask, and this is why we need an independent commission, is why is the federal government covering up child trafficking?
When you cover up a crime, you're aiding and abetting that crime.
So why is the federal government aiding and abetting child trafficking?
That should be the first question.
And I think once that question is answered, then we can get to the bottom of Jeffrey Epstein.
Okay.
So why do you think they're hiding it?
Because to me, when I'm looking at this, this is what I see.
Yesterday, President Trump announced that moving forward, if you burn the flag, you're facing up to one year of jail time.
Okay.
Some people don't like that.
I support it.
I've been asking for this for years to say that we have to, I don't think it's okay for people to burn the American flag in a country that gave them freedom.
I don't think it's okay to do that.
I'm uncomfortable with that myself.
That can be debated and go back and forth.
Yeah, okay, yes, no, maybe.
Great.
Guess what?
Blanket statement.
You like it, you don't like it.
You burn the flag, you're going to jail.
I think we're one of the only countries that you don't go to jail for burning the flag.
All right, cool.
That's out there.
So to me now, if we had the Diddy, if we had the Epstein, if we had the Craig Spence, if we had the Lawrence King, if we have all these stories, if we have even the Roy Cohen, who was, you know, he was more doing the male escorts at his place and getting all this blackmail model.
And this goes back, this has been going for many, many years, right?
What do you do to prevent the next Epstein, the next Diddy?
What should be the crime to protect those innocent children if the crime and the punishment isn't big enough?
This is going to continue happening.
Well, that's the thing.
I mean, with the government now, they released that very strange document on July 6th that said that there were over 300 gigabytes of information taken from Jeffrey Epstein's possessions are safe, and that over 1,000 victims had been abused.
Now, I agree with that 100%.
But it said that Epstein had no co-conspirators.
I mean, that's absolute bunk, that Epstein didn't engage in blackmail.
You can definitely prove that there were co-conspirators, for sure.
I mean, without a doubt.
I mean, the New York Times wrote an article about six co-conspirators, Ghelaine Maxwell, Sarah Kellen, Leslie Groff, Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcankova, and Haley Robinson, who you were talking about.
And then Politico named three or four of them also.
So, and actually, Kellen, if you look at the Palm Beach Police Department notes on the investigation, Kellen comes up all the time as far as leading lambs to slaughter.
So, if we really wanted to go about this, how the Department of Justice is taking down the mafia is they get little fish and then they indict them on multiple RICO predicates, and then they're looking at the rest of their life in prison, and then they roll over on the big fish.
We know about Kellen, we know about Groff, we know about Marcon Kova, we know about Ross.
They knew how big this was, and they knew who exactly who a lot of the perpetrators were.
But they've been unscathed, and actually, they were named in the non-prosecution agreement as there was the non-prosecution agreement gave everyone co-all the co-conspirators blanket immunity, but they were specifically named in the non-prosecution agreement.
So, that would be the place to start: is we get them into a indict them on multiple accounts of child trafficking, which wouldn't be that difficult.
And nobody's listened to the victims in this.
That's what's really horrible about it.
The government obviously had all that child abuse material that was in power from Jeffrey Epstein.
And I'm willing to bet that they didn't even look for any of the victims.
So, there's a lot of victims.
And when the Epstein Victims Compensation Program was started, which I'd like to get into a little bit, only 225 of the victims came forward.
So, and the government is stating over 1,000, and Epstein trafficked underage girls for probably 25 years.
Over a thousand is definitely a reasonable extrapolation.
So, what we need to do is start indicting the co-conspirators, the procurers.
And if they're looking, child trafficking in the federal system is a heavy sentence.
It's 15 to life.
And if they're looking at seven life sentences or five life sentences, I mean, however many we wanted to throw at them, they would roll over on the perps in a heartbeat.
So, what we need is the Department of Justice to do its job.
We need the FBI to do its job.
And I started an organization.
It's called Epstein Justice.
Your audience could go to EpsteinJustice.com.
And we have webinars every month on how we can put basically what we're trying to do is form a congressional commission.
And we're going to need a majority in the House.
We're going to need a majority in the Senate, an independent congressional commission that will incorporate.
You're not going to get that.
Well, we're going to try for it.
Yeah, no, I'm glad you're trying it.
You're just not going to get that.
Well, you know, I might be deluded, but I'm optimistic.
And you know why?
So I would, there aren't many people more than me that would love to see that.
Okay.
But for whatever reason, this topic makes people on both sides very uncomfortable.
What is Thomas Massey's involvement right now with you?
Because I think he wants to see something like this come up, right?
Yes.
So credit to him.
Who else, like Thomas Massey, are coming out saying, hey, we have to find out what happened here?
That bill has, I believe, over 34 co-sponsors at this point, both from the right and from the left.
You've got very conservative guys like Tim Burchett, and then you've got very liberal types like AOC.
They're coming together on this.
So there's a number of co-sponsors out there for that bill.
And there's going to be a AOC's on that list as well.
AOC.
Can you zoom in on that list to see who it is?
So these are the names.
How many do we have now?
I mean, they keep adding.
So we got Massey.
Okay.
Ilhan Omar on that list.
Interesting.
Brad Sherman, that's California.
That was my congressman in the area I was in.
Pelosi, keep going lower.
Keep going lower.
Who else do you see there?
I don't see AOC on that list.
I saw.
How many do we have at this point?
23, it says here.
Oh, 23.
22 Democrats and one Republican.
So you have.
And what is the bill?
What is the bill?
Is that the latest?
Look for the latest one.
It's 851.
Try 851.
It wants an investigation into Epstein.
If it's not 851, it's 581.
H.R. 581.
an act concerning judgment.
I don't think this is it.
No.
Try 851.
No, neither one of them.
It's not 581 or 851.
But you're saying AOC is on the list.
It looks like the majority of what we just looked at with Thomas Massey was Democrats with only one being a Republican.
House resolution 581.
Okay, there we go.
Can you see who's on the list right now?
Co-sponsors 44 now.
44.
Zoom in a little bit.
And it's 33 Democrat, 11 Republican.
Marjorie Taylor Greene's on it.
Rolcana's on it.
Tim Burchett's on it.
So Lauren Bolbert's on it.
Corey Mills is on it.
Tom Barrett is on it.
Rashid Taleb is on it.
AOC's on it.
Nancy Mays is on it.
Jamie Raskin's on it.
Nancy Pelosi is on it.
What else you got?
What else you got?
You're going through it fast.
I'm trying to see.
Brad Sherman, same name.
Okay, you got a few names on there.
So 44 names that are on there now.
But AOC should be on there.
I thought that was a good idea.
I said her name.
She is on there.
Okay, she is on there.
So what we need to do is make sure that the government doesn't cover up child trafficking anymore.
Don't you think that that's what we need to do?
To me, I'm sick of it.
I just want accountability.
I want to know what's going to happen for these guys to be held accountable.
Okay, so what we need is an independent congressional commission to look into this.
That's what Epstein Justice is all about.
In order for that to happen, you need a major support from the top to push forward.
Well, you need a majority in the House and a majority in the Senate.
But if we don't stop this, think about it.
Our government, and I love the United States of America.
I love the United States of America.
Our government, and the United States of America is different than its government.
Our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking.
We have to stop it.
The political machine is unwilling to stop it.
So it's up to us to stop it.
And this is our opportunity right now.
This is going to be the best opportunity in our lifetimes to stop this.
And that's why we need people to come to Epstein Justice.
We've got a petition that you can sign.
You can get involved with us.
We have webinars.
We do need donations.
But we're growing.
We keep growing.
And it's a very good feeling that we keep growing.
But if this doesn't happen, then the government is going to, we're going to allow the government to aid and abet child trafficking.
We cannot let, as Americans, we just can't let that happen.
I got you.
So what else can you do to prevent the next Epstein-Diddy crisis?
We have to.
Okay, so Epstein Justice has two objectives.
We want the government to tell us why it's aiding and betting child trafficking, and we want the perpetrators to be prosecuted.
Very simple.
Baseline morality.
But we need the first question.
Why are you covering up child trafficking?
We have to know that.
As Americans, we need to know why our government is covering up child trafficking.
And until we have that answer and we can stop the mechanisms that are involved in it, then it's going to continue.
And we have to stop it.
It happened with the Franklin scale.
It's happening with Epstein.
I'm been approached by many people over the years that talk about other networks that are active.
And Epstein was really ominous.
There was a lawsuit from the Virgin Islands against Epstein's estate.
And the Virgin Islands ultimately got $105 million.
And then they'll get half the sale of Little St. James.
And there was a very good Melbourne Daily that reported that Epstein was trafficking girls that were as young as 11 or 12 in the Virgin Islands.
And I know a couple of therapists.
One's a very eminent psychologist.
And both believe that they have represented girls that were molested by Jeffrey Epstein when they were under the age of 10 or by Epstein at all under the age of 10.
Wait, under the age of 10?
10, yes.
This is Epstein?
Epstein, yes.
And I think that that's one of the ways in which, you know, the media hasn't called for justice at all.
And I think if there was a real investigation, these guys are psychopaths.
I mean, these guys are psychopaths.
If you want a 10-year-old, they'll get you a 10-year-old.
But anyway, both these therapists, who are very, one of them is very eminent, tried to get settlements from the Epstein Victims Compensation Program.
And they were denied.
And both of them feel because the cover story that the media has embraced is that the youngest Epstein victim was 14 years old.
So although we have evidence of Epstein trafficking girls younger than that, according to the Melbourne Daily, The Age, and then we have these two therapists who are very, very solid therapists saying that they have clients that they believe were trafficked under the age of 10.
So the media has done everything it possibly can to sanitize Jeffrey Epstein.
I'm not aware of a media outlet that has said, hey, we need justice here.
Have you ever seen an article from mainstream media that said, we need justice here?
I mean, they're very good at digging up salacious dirt, but no one said, we need justice here.
I haven't seen it.
I've read a lot of Epstein articles.
I haven't seen it.
I saw a story about it.
You know, one time 12-year-old triplets were flown to Epstein for his birthday.
Is that true?
They were bought in Eastern Europe.
Yeah.
12-year-old triplets.
Yeah.
I mean, who brought him in is the question.
According to Virginia Gouffree, Epstein and Brunel had some kind of connection in the government where they could get these girls' visas, which wouldn't surprise me given everything that they got away with for all those years.
Yeah, this is the one that Weiss reported on unsealed documents from 2015 civil action by Jaffrey, which included her deposition recounting this claim.
Additional investigative reporting, such as the Mind Sight News, corroborated the details, noting that court documents record that details from the investigation include allegation of 13, 12-year-old triplets were flown in from France for Epstein's birthday and flown back the following day after being sexually abused.
Virginia describes an orgy and which there were 12-year-olds there.
So, yes.
And we've got the Melbourne newspaper, daily newspapers saying 11 and 12.
And then we've got these therapists saying under 10.
So if the media really want, why am I able to get this information?
And the media, the mainstream media with its seemingly infinite resources cannot get this information.
What is up with that?
Yeah, wasn't there a movie with, what's his name?
Liam Neeson and Maggie Grace called Taken, yes.
Where she gets taken and goes to a Sex trafficking place where she's on the he finally finds him on the girls are coming out dancing and he's behind the glass and they're watching and they're bidding 10 grand, 20 grand, 30 grand, 40 grand, 50 grand.
So, you know, that that movie, and then at the end of the movie, I think he goes up and kills the person, whatever it is.
So it's not like this stuff doesn't exist and it doesn't happen.
This has been going around for a long time.
The question is: what is the crime?
Who is the comparable person like an Epstein or a Diddy or a Craig Spence that was caught?
What is the worst punishment that a country that is a westernized country that's given to people like that that we can go back and see a pattern there?
Who have we punished for somebody that did this?
Say somebody else ran something like this.
Is there another Epstein or a Diddy that did this that got the death penalty, that went to jail for God knows how many years?
Do those stories exist?
Case studies exist.
The FBI, when the Department of Justice was going to engage, what happened was there was a 14-year-old girl who told her stepmother that she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein.
And her mother brought her to the Palm Beach Police Department.
And she was from a lower socioeconomic part of Palm Beach, if there is such a thing in Palm Beach.
But anyway, she was from a lower socioeconomic part of Palm Beach.
And she was able to describe Epstein's, the interior of his home and also his anatomy.
And that's what started their investigation.
And by the time, and now there's numbers that are conflicting here, they had five, the statements of five victims, but then there were 17 corroborating statements.
And from what I understand, this number has fluctuated, but they had at least, they knew of at least 17 victims.
And they were ready to indict Jeffrey Epstein on four unlawful counts of sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation, which would have put him in jail for a very long time.
And then it was given to this grand jury by, and the special prosecutor was Lanabel Lovik, and she called two of the victims.
She could have called many more, but she called two.
And one was 16 years old and she'd been molested by Epstein when she was 14.
And one was 18, she'd been molested by Jeffrey Epstein multiple times when she was 16.
And she was calling one of the girls a prostitute.
I mean, she skewered these girls.
Wow.
Skewered them.
And I mean, the transcripts, DeSantis has released the transcripts.
So the transcripts are out there.
And that's the grand jury that said Jeffrey Epstein hadn't molested a single child.
So Michael Ryder, he is a hero in this.
He was the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department.
He became, he said, this is the worst failure, something, I'm going to paraphrase it, the worst failure in modern judicial history.
And he went to the Department of Justice.
He said, you have to do something about this.
Now, the Department of Justice had a list of 34 Epstein victims.
I've got that list, but then it knew of 40 more, but yet it covered it all up.
So that's where we need to start: the Department of Justice and why it had 30 or 40 victims, underage victims of Jeffrey Epsteins, and why didn't it do anything?
Why was nothing adjudicated other than Jeffrey Epstein getting 18 months in county jail and serving 13?
Yeah, so I just asked the question: who was the most notorious case similar to Jeffrey Epstein that got the death penalty or went to jail for life?
Right?
First one that comes up is Lawrence King, which we talked about earlier, the Franklin cover-up, the scandal.
And he was accused of running child trafficking rings involving politicians and elites, convicted for fraud, but never convicted of the abuse.
Not life or death.
Not a perfect pair, nothing, right?
So then there's Mark Dutreau from Belgium.
From Belgium, yeah.
Yeah, Mark Dutreux from Belgium, wealthy contractor, serial child abuser, kidnapped in prison and sexually abused multiple girls.
Two died of starvation in his hidden dungeon.
It's the guy right there.
Okay.
That's 1990s.
He had alleged ties to elite sex networks.
Many Belgians believed there was a cover-up protecting high-rups.
He was sentenced to life in prison.
What's interesting about that is actually there were law enforcement people that came forward and said there was a cover-up.
And there's footage of, I think, around 200,000 Belgians hitting the streets.
They're all dressed in white.
And they're protesting the cover-up that happened occurred.
Can you pull that up after protesting about Mark Dutreau protests?
Protests, white.
There's a video of that.
Yeah, if you pull it up, you should be able to see it.
What I typed in.
I see a picture of you.
I typed in Mark Dutreau.
Belgium White March.
No, it's a bigger one than this.
If you go on Google, you'll see a picture.
It's massive.
It's not small.
It's huge.
Yeah, it's huge.
It's massive.
It's not a small thing that happened.
So this is the 25-year anniversary.
There it is.
There it is.
Right, there it is.
So that's a legit march of people saying, hey.
That's more than a legit march.
What I'm saying is, I mean, if it needs to get to that to get the attention of what happened here, maybe that's a good case study.
All I'm trying to do is get case studies.
Okay, so that's what we need.
I mean, if the Belgians are willing to hit the streets to protest pedophile network being covered up, Americans have to.
Don't you think that Americans need to do that?
Would you be willing to do that?
To me, if this is everybody has their own issues.
When the Trump administration put up what their 20 issues were in the 47 campaign, 2024, this wasn't necessarily a top 20 issue for them, the Epstein.
But it was for a lot of people that supported, that drove for this to become a reality.
A lot of people were pushing for this.
And I do think, as somebody who's got a family, I think people want to know what the hell happened here.
I definitely do, or else I wouldn't be doing all these interviews.
Why am I talking to you?
Why am I talking to Michael Wolfe?
Why am I talking to Whitney Webb multiple times?
Why are we talking to these?
We shouldn't be doing it because it's more constant stories of it coming up, but we're interested in it.
Let me give you another one here.
We have to keep it alive.
I mean, it's happened in Portugal.
It's happened in France.
It's happening.
I mean, there are multiple, and it happened in Mexico.
There are multiple people.
There needs to be a real punishment.
There's a guy in UK.
His name was Richard Huckel.
Yes.
He abused 200 children, sentenced to life in prison, later murdered in prison, 2016.
Richard Huckel, H-U-C-K-Elli.
And then you have Jimmy Saville.
Jimmy Seville is another one.
Who was part of that?
And that was hooked up to UK intelligence through the pedophile information exchange.
But did anything that Epstein did to the victims, did anyone get killed by Epstein or his people?
I do know this, that some of those, and I saw this with the Franklin scandal.
Some of those pedophiles were vicious to some of these girls.
I can say that.
Epstein, you're saying Epstein was not.
I'm saying that there were some victims of Jeffrey Epstein's that were pandered to some very vicious individuals.
Such as.
There's a woman that told me that she was pandered to a very powerful guy, a former prime minister, who was pretty vicious to her.
Do we know the name?
I mean, I could say the name, but then the woman, I would rather, you know, for her sake, not say it.
She hasn't said it?
Not publicly, no.
Not publicly, and not what she told me.
Is this a living PM?
Yes.
Yeah.
And somebody got killed?
No, but he was very violent to her.
He was violent to her.
He was aggressive.
She said that he put her in the hospital.
And you see that with the Franklin scandal and other situations.
Like with Dutreau, he started killing girls.
And you see unbelievable sadism in the Franklin scandal with the victims.
Yeah, so to me, that, because when you look at these cases, what gets the attention is if that's taking place.
You have the story of Luis Gravito, Colombia, serial child killer, convicted of murdering over 100 children, sentenced to 1,853 years, reduced to under Colombian law, no death penalty, died in 2023.
That's the guy right there.
But he killed 100 children.
Then you have another one called John Wayne Gacy, serial killer who raped and murdered at least 33 young men, executed by lethal injection.
He was more into boys.
Well, older.
I think a lot of his victims were older than 18 years old.
So his was older than 18 years old.
He might have.
So you're saying at least he followed the laws, what you're saying.
No, I'm not.
Come on, Nick.
No, no.
What I'm saying, if you're talking about pedophilic perpetrators.
So he would ID them before he did anything to them.
Yeah, I think he ID them in that.
What a responsible killer you are, buddy.
So we see these in multiple cultures, but Lawrence King did no time for molesting children.
Craig Spence did no time for molesting children.
Dwayne Maxwell, the deal that she got is mind-boggling.
And now, I mean, she was put into a dormitory very early on, which is pretty Kush.
I mean, people that have served a lot of time or have done a lot of their sentence and inmates that have exhibited exemplary behavior are generally put a number of times and they're getting close to the end of their bid.
They're put into dormitory style living.
And she was put into dormitory style living very quickly.
And now she's in even Kush prison in Texas, which is really, really horrific.
And by the way, when Craig Spence died, he wrote a note, if I'm not mistaken, Rob.
Didn't Craig Spence write a note in the hotel and he says, take this as my former resignation or something or something like that.
Hey, Chief, consider this my resignation effective immediately.
As you always said, you can't ask others to make a sacrifice if you are not ready to do the same.
Life is a duty.
God bless America.
This is after he killed himself, taking all those seven Xanax small packets of Xanax.
Well, I've heard of different pills that he took to overdose.
But yes, and he was in a tuxedo and he was at the Ritz Carlton in Boston.
What a way to go.
So that's how a way to go.
So he wanted to have a black tie event when he killed him.
But he was never arrested, indicted for molesting.
So nobody has.
So to me, there's a difference between, you know, when you're put on that, what is that list that you go to any city, you're on a list.
What is that list of?
Sex offender registry.
Sex offender register, which, by the way, it's a very effective thing because, you know, and you can even go and see how many sex offenders live around you.
I mean, that is a public humiliation, old school type of way of doing things, right?
So that's one.
But when you're talking about a guy like Epstein, Ghislaine, you know, if Ghislaine, if she is given a pardon and she's released, how do you think the market's going to react if that happens?
Well, I hope that there's tremendous outrage, but we need outrage now.
I mean, Glene Maxwell, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein didn't even have to register as a perpetrator in New Mexico because he'd pandered underage girls to both Bill Richardson and Bruce King, who were the governors of New Mexico.
He bought the property from the governor, the 8,000 acre.
So we need something now.
That's why Epstein justice is really important.
I mean, don't you think that if our government's not going to do it, that us as Americans, we have to create a movement?
Now, movements aren't interested, are difficult.
There was the labor's rights movement.
And at one point, people that wanted unions were considered far-left radicals.
There was a civil rights movement.
There was the women's rights movement.
Now, we have to come together and make sure that the children have a right not to be molested.
Now, if you look at the numbers of kids that are molested in the United States, it's pretty mind-boggling.
Now, this is from the CDC, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
25% of underage girls have been molested, and people in the field think that that's conservative.
And 5% of underage boys.
Now, there are studies that go as high as 16% on underage boys, but if we just stick with the CDC numbers, there are 50 million Americans that have been molested as children.
50 million.
We need to stop this.
And we have to, and this is what's really important about Epstein.
If we allow the Department of Justice to cover up a proven trafficking network like Epstein, that sends a message to millions of Americans that you have no voice and no hope for justice.
That's another reason why we have to put our foot down and say no more.
Yeah, I don't disagree.
By the way, there's another list.
When I had this guy named Anthony Wiener on, I don't know if you're familiar with him.
I asked him a bunch of different questions, but there's another article that just came out talking about the number of names tied to Epstein that have died from murky circumstances, suicide or different things.
Rob, do you have that list?
I do.
If you have that list, if you want to pull it up, I don't know if it can be zoomed in or not, if it's blurry.
This guy is pretty savvy tech-wise.
You got a good guy.
Yeah, he's very savvy.
Zoom in a little bit more, Rob.
So Jeffrey Epstein, obviously he was found hung.
And the last text message he sent when Michael Wolf asked him, how are you doing?
He says, I'm just hanging in there.
That was his last text from his lawyer to Michael Wolf.
I'm just hanging in there.
And then it was found hung, obviously dead.
Steve Hoffenberg, 77, believe natural causes, found at home.
Efren Reyes, after speaking to investigators, he died from, what was this?
He died from COVID-19.
Jaffrey, obviously, alleged suicide.
I wrote an article on her.
It's on my blog, Nick BryanNYC.
And I knew Virginia.
And there was so much apocrypha that came out after her suicide, that the Mossad had killed her, that she was alive and living with Jeffrey Epstein.
I wrote an article to kind of set all that straight.
So you think she died from a suicide?
Yes.
Do you think she really did die?
Yes, I do.
Really?
Okay, any of these other names before I go through?
Was there anything that was...
Well, Alfredo Rodriguez had cancer.
Joe Ricari died of a heart attack, I believe.
I mean, Roy Black, I mean, he was 80.
Marvin Minsky was 88.
A little bit lower, Rob.
Ronald Eppinger, he's kind of an interesting case because he was busted for child trafficking.
He's her first pimp with Virginia just.
Yeah.
So he's kind of an interesting case that.
And then he ultimately gave her to another guy that molested her.
And the FBI got onto Eppinger, and then it got on to this guy.
And then Virginia was in bed with him, and the FBI did a pre-dawn raid and kicked the door open.
What's the other guy's name?
I can't think of it.
There's a lot of Epstein stuff on my ram.
But look into it.
Yeah.
This guy will tell us.
That is interesting.
Sir Ronald Eppinger.
And what was he known for?
He was busted by the FBI for trafficking.
He was.
Humans, yeah.
So what ended up happening to him?
He spent, I think, the rest of his life in jail, but don't quote me.
Interesting.
Well, any final words, Nick, before we wrap up?
Anything else that the audience should know or look into or any final thoughts you want to show?
I know September 3rd press conference is coming up.
What are you expecting from that?
I'm expecting that the legislators, that there's other legislators there that are going to support this.
But if we go to our justice system and expect our justice system to fix this, it's not going to happen.
It's just not going to happen.
It's like a dog chasing its tail.
That's why Epstein justice is very, very important.
We need a movement of people like what happened in Belgium to say, that's it.
We've had enough.
We have to do something about this.
And short of that, this is going to continue.
And there's going to be more children molested.
And as I said earlier, according to the CDC, there's over 50 million Americans that have been sexually abused when they were underage.
So we have to put our foot down on this and just say no more.
If we're not going to fix that huge endemic problem until we fix our justice system.
And our justice system actually prosecutes people that molested children.
And that has to be a preeminent concern of ours.
I mean, for I understand the government crossing certain lines, but this is a line in the sand that should not be crossed.
American children should not be trafficked in America, and their molesters shouldn't be molesting them with impunity because the Department of Justice refuses to prosecute them.
I mean, that's what's really important here.
And Epstein Justice, we're taking a big step.
And I'm really heartened by the way that we're growing.
We're really going.
There's a lot of people like you that are outraged.
I've been outraged forever.
I was outraged when I got the black book and I started calling these victims.
And they started telling me about being flown around.
And I was outraged about the Franklin scandal that no one, none of the perps.
Has Elon Musk at all been involved?
Has he done anything with you guys or Massey or no?
Because I know Elon has got a relationship with Massey.
Massey has pledged his support to Epstein Justice, which is great.
Elon has not yet.
Elon has not, no.
Okay, got it.
Sounds good.
Well, Nick, where can people find you?
I know we gave the EpsteinJustice.com.
Anything else you want to share before we wrap up?
EpsteinJustice.com.
There's also a petition there, a change.org petition that you can sign.
You can join us in our webinars.
We have webinars every month on how you can put pressure on your legislators to get them to support what we're doing and to seek justice on behalf of the victims.
And as I said, if we don't, this is going to be our best opportunity to stop this.
And if we don't stop it now, we're not going to be able to stop it.
It's going to keep growing.
And 89% of Americans want to see the government with transparency on this.
It's not like it's, I mean, we're talking 89% of Americans.
Who is the 11% that doesn't?
That's who I want to know.
Who is the 11% that doesn't want to do that?
They attack me quite often on the internet and in social media.
I've met them.
Nick, appreciate your work.
Keep at it.
And I hope more people look into it and get more curious about this topic because we just want to find out what happened.
It was one of the things that some of the administration promised, not necessarily Trump.
I don't put this on Trump because even when Campos interviewed him on Fox News, Campos Duffy interviewed him.
He specifically said, I don't know about Epstein.
He said yes to 9-11.
He said yes to JFK, but he didn't say yes to 9-11, yes to Epstein.
Kash Patel did.
Bongino spoke about it a lot, as well as Pam Bondi, and we got nothing so far.
So hopefully the leadership team who fumbled this will come through and reveal and release something.
Do you think that's going to happen?
I don't know if it's going to happen.
I think everything happens, Nick, with pressure.
And that's why Epstein Justice is so important.
If there's pressure of this in the right way and it becomes more and more and more and doesn't go away, then eventually, yes.
If not, it'll go away and then we'll wait another five years for another story to come out.
And in the interim, the next Epstein is plotting his moves and he's doing what he's doing.
The only reason why the Epstein story came out, I firmly believe this, is Michael Ryder, the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department.
He would not back down.
And if it wasn't for him, this wouldn't have come out.
If it wasn't for the Franklin, the Nebraska Senate subcommittee that looked into the Franklin scandal, this never would have come out.
Him?
Yes, he's a hero.
Has he been interviewed?
Michael Ryder.
He was interviewed on a Netflix called Filthy Rich.
Oh, okay.
That's the documentary.
But he is a hero.
Michael Ryder is a hero.
Well, Michael, wherever you are, kudos to you, buddy.
Nick, thank you for coming.
I appreciate your time.
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
Take care, everybody.
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