Colby Covington: Losing to Leon Edwards, Vivek Ramaswamy vs Van Jones | PBD Podcast | Ep. 343
Patrick Bet-David, Adam Sosnick, and Vincent Oshana are joined by UFC Fighter Colby Covington!
Colby Covington is an American professional mixed martial artist. He currently competes in the Welterweight division of the Ultimate Fighting Championship, where he is a former Interim UFC Welterweight Champion. As of December 19, 2023, he is #5 in the UFC welterweight rankings.
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00:56 - Introduction
2:46 - Colby discusses breaking his foot at UFC 296 during his loss to Leon Edwards
8:20 - Why Leon Edwards doesn't sell tickets to UFC events
9:30 - How Colby's support of Donald Trump caused him to lose to Leon Edwards
11:24 - Colby addresses the controversial comments he made about Leon Edwards father
20:47 - Colby's response to Michael Chandler, Paddy Pimblett, Dana White and Sean Strickland's criticism of his loss to Leon Edwards
24:14 - The moment Colby realised he was part of the MAGA crowd
29:50 - How Colby's support of Donald Trump got him shadow banned on Instagram
33:28 - Colby calls out LeBron James sitting during the National Anthem
40:47 - Colby calls out Travis Kelce as "the biggest piece of shit ever."
58:22 - Why Colby wants a rematch against Leon Edwards following his loss at UFC 296
1:00:17 - Colby's plans for life after the UFC
1:09:42 - Vivek Ramaswamy tells Van Jones to "shut the fuck up"
1:21:31 - What led to the rift between Colby Covington and Jorge Masvidal
1:26:13 - Colby discusses who his closest allies are
1:36:24 - Has anyone backstabbed Colby?
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You have nothing to do with Ontario, Canada, right?
Absolutely.
Absolutely not.
Our guest today gets shy when the camera's on.
Something happens with the camera, and he even expressed this as a bad thing.
It was like super camera show.
Kobe, Chaos, Cummington.
He's got a lot of different personalities, man.
You see him fighting, calling people out, getting a lot of people pissed off.
We'll cover some of that stuff, but if there's one thing you know, you know who he is in the UFC world.
Kobe Covington, it's great to have you on, man.
Thanks for having me on.
I appreciate it.
What an honor.
It's great to have you here.
You know, I think one thing most people don't know, and I don't know if you kind of like hide it from people that you don't want people to know, is your level of loyalty and admiration for President Joe Biden.
Have you always been a private thing?
Because I know, obviously, you're wearing this hat called Make America Great Again.
How do you feel about President Joe Biden?
Oh, man, I think he's senile.
I don't think that he's still there.
He can't even ride a bike anymore.
So, you know, the guy has nothing there.
I think that even his handlers are just feeding him too many drugs just to keep him alive every day.
It's sad to see.
You know, they're holding him like little puppets.
So, you know, you see a guy like President Trump.
You know, he was at my fight in Vegas.
He was at Reno the next day.
He was at Iowa the day before.
Then he was speaking at New Hampshire the next day.
The guy's got so much energy.
Like, that's what we need in office right now is a guy like President Trump who has the energy to go all day and not get tired for our country.
And it's so tough to understand a driver like him, like it's constant going, And today, I'm sure you saw, we'll get into the stuff with him, Colorado, he can't compete.
And, you know, what they're trying to do with him, with him not being able to run.
By the way, did you guess it with DeSantis when he was asked the same question that he said?
Can you pull that up about Colorado when Vivek said?
I'm going to take all this stuff.
He says I'm not.
Maybe find that clip as well.
But how are you feeling?
You just had a fight with Edwards.
How you doing?
I'm doing good.
I mean, I didn't get touched.
Look at my face, man.
I don't got a scratch on it.
You do look good.
You have no scratch.
How'd you feel about the fight, though?
How'd you feel about the fight?
I mean, looking at back, you know, I doubled in the strikes count.
You know, I had five minutes of control time.
He didn't have one minute.
So I feel like I beat him in the fight.
You know, I broke my foot in like the first 30 seconds of the fight that people don't know about yet.
The x-rays will start coming.
Straight up, because you're in a boot.
I mean, people can't obviously see it, but you broke your foot the first minute of the fight.
The first minute of the fight.
Like, I had the picture on my phone, like, the exact moment where it landed on his face.
No shit.
Yeah.
Can we see it?
Yeah, for sure.
Of course.
First minute.
First minute.
And Kobe, you know, right off the, like, once that strike hits, Kobe, you know, in your head, you're like, it's broke.
Yeah, you feel like you feel it swollen up where you're just like, oh, like that.
At the end of the first round, you're just like, man, that hurts.
Like, usually I sit on the stool and I didn't want to sit down in the stool.
So this is like the exact.
Kobe, I mean, the fight went five rounds when it came down to a decision.
How do you fight the next four rounds with a broken foot?
Is it the elbow, hit the elbow?
Landed right on the right elbow, the top of the foot.
Wow.
And they're telling me that I think it was the venicular or something.
I can't remember the exact terminology.
Doctor was telling me yesterday.
But he's like yeah, you probably have a fracture in your venicular, tenicular or something, one of those bones down there.
There's like 27 metacarsals in your foot so it's tough to know which.
How do you fight the rest of the fight with a broken foot?
How do you even stand up with a broken foot, much less throwing punches and kicks and grappling.
Everything was going on.
How does that work?
It's tough, you know it.
Live me, see your mobility like I couldn't really move after that.
I was kind of stuck in place and you know I was just trying to make sure that I could get through the fight.
I didn't.
I, you know I never quit.
You know you got to.
You know I always channeled the, the strength of the first responders in our military because you know, that's the, the cloth that I was cut from my.
My grandfather flew in the Korean Vietnam War, so you know, if he's looking down on me he's not going to be happy unless I fight to the end.
You know, fight to the death and that's my mentality when I go into the Octane, on it's killer be killed every time.
Well, you have, you have that reputation your, your pain tolerance.
Uh, on on when you're going in these fights.
And, by the way, so if you have the pain here and Leon's throwing those left kicks to the back of you because you know that part that was marked on your, what is it your right uh yeah, right rear right, right hamstrings, when you see that whole thing getting bruised up yeah, which pain is the worst pain?
Is it the left ankle or is it the thigh?
Oh, it was the left ankle, not even close.
Yeah, I was compensated on it.
You know, I wasn't really able to step on it, so that's why he was landing a couple leg kicks on my right thigh because my left foot was broken.
So I was kind of putting all my weight on my right thigh and that's terrible.
When I started towards the end of the fight, I was like you know what, just deal with the pain and start lifting up your right leg and start checking some of these kicks, you know, and he didn't start kicking after like the fourth round because he started feeling that I was catching his timing with the kicks and he didn't want to break his leg on my knee.
So now let me ask you, does he know?
Do you think he knows?
Or he would have no clue that you broke your left ankle, like he doesn't know that that's happening because, as a fighter yeah, you know.
Are you reading the other guy's pain, flinch eye movement to say yeah, it looks like it hurts.
It looks like because you know?
You've seen fights where a guy breaks his wrist in boxing yeah, and he just doesn't throw it anymore and you know to go for.
Or you know the ribs.
Are you know something happened here so you keep attacking it?
Yeah, is he reading that you're in pain?
Do you think he knew that you had that pain?
No, he didn't know, because i'm good at masking and not showing weakness and showing that I had the pain and I learned early in my career that I thought when we go to the round, at the end of the round, like we're in a vacuum seal and no one in the world can hear, it's our coaches giving us advice and no one's going to hear anything.
But I had said something in my corner.
I was like hey, I think I had the injury.
And they went back to the other corner on the broadcast.
They're like oh, he just said he had an injury.
He said this is going on.
So they attacked that weakness.
So I had learned that, no matter how I feel, coming back to the end of the round when i'm sitting on my stool like, don't say anything to the coach, even to your own guys yeah, even to my own guys, because the cameras are watching everything.
You're saying.
I got it wow, so now I just had to keep it.
What a shitty situation to imagine.
Like you have to be right and you're like I hear just you gotta be like a secret in there.
Yeah, I mean that's, but that's the fight.
That's how your corners, your trainers, your coaches they have no idea you had a broken foot.
The entire fight.
They had no idea until I told him afterwards, when I was limping backstage.
They're like dude, what happened?
I was like the first kick that I threw landed on his elbow and they're like, why don't you tell us?
Yeah, exactly because i've learned in prior fights that the whole world's gonna see that and they're just gonna go tell him on the broadcast.
You see How quick social media is these days.
So they can literally get that information within seconds of seeing it on the broadcast.
So, you know, it's the first time in my career, I didn't sit on the stool after every round, after the five rounds.
I just stayed standing up because I could feel my foot swelling up and I didn't want to sit down and get comfortable.
I wanted to stay standing up and just dig down deep to get through the fight.
Now, let me ask you, fighting Kim, Leon Edwards, and as a fan watching him, right?
Not a technical fight where I can't see, you know, I'm not a technical where I've been in your world and I can kind of read what's really going on.
From a fan's perspective, he's not a guy that's going to sell out the arena.
Okay.
People are not going to see him sell out the arena.
He doesn't talk.
He's very quiet to himself.
I think he's Jamaican, if I'm not mistaken.
Is he Jamaican?
He's a very friendly guy.
He seems like a just chill guy.
But fighting against him, this guy, we had Usman on here on two days ago, right?
He takes Usman out, I think, two times, right?
Let me see the records here.
Yeah, back to back.
Then it's you, Matthias, okay.
You know, Dosanios, both of you, you did Dosanios as well.
You know, he's had some fights.
What's unique about what's unique about Edwards?
His style of fighting, purely his style of fighting.
I mean, yeah, purely his style of fighting because if you're talking about his personality, he has no redeeming qualities.
The guy, I mean, there's more charisma in that wet mop in the corner of his room.
So, I mean, the guy is just unlikable.
He's just, he doesn't, he doesn't bring anything to the table as far as fighting goes.
So in the fight, you know, he's a well-rounded fighter, but there's nothing special.
He's not like a world-class in anywhere.
He's just pretty good everywhere.
He's not the best fighter you've gone up against.
Nah, he's not the best fighter.
Who's the best guy you've gone up against?
Yeah, the best guy I've gone up against is, you know, probably Usman.
You know, he's a well-rounded fighter.
He's a good wrestler.
He's a knockout artist.
He's a guy who could put you out with one punch.
So, you know, that guy, I would say, is a lot more dangerous threat.
And I fought him when, you know, he was in his absolute prime a couple years ago when he was number one pound for pound.
So that was the best guy I've ever fought.
You know, and, you know, he was a way more dangerous that than Leon.
Look, I just got his fight four days ago.
I don't have a scratch on my face.
I mean, I doubled the strike count on him.
You know, he got a couple leg kicks.
That's how he won is a couple of leg kicks on me.
And that was because I was compensated because I was favoring my right leg because my left foot was broken.
You mentioned, I think you won Jesse Waters, that you think that they basically took this decision from you because you said you support Donald Trump and that cost you the fight.
Two-part question.
We asked Usman, what's more important these days in UFC?
The product or the marketing, really?
Like, how good of a fighter are you or how good of a marketer are you?
No doubt you're one of the best in both.
Edwards, with all due respect, he beat you, right?
So what's the reality for someone like Edwards?
Is it he's just a good product, horrible marketer?
It's the Trump thing.
It was stolen from you kind of a thing.
Get the analogy.
Where is he on this?
Where are you on this?
With all that being said.
Yeah, you know, I don't think I was beat last weekend.
I think I gained a lot more.
And the fans see the truth of the fighter and the marketer that I am, the entertainment aspect that I bring to this sport.
You know, I make it fun for the fans.
They pay their harder money to watch us.
So, you know, as far as Leon, no one was watching or tuning into the fight to see Leon.
It was either the people that absolutely love me or he was just borrowing my haters for a night.
It wasn't like he actually brought in the extra fans.
But is that sustainable?
Meaning if he just wins every fight, I'm not saying that he's undefeated.
If he just shuts his mouth, gets to work, but wins, what's wrong with that?
Yeah, it's not enough.
I mean, anybody can just win, but you need to, if you're really confident in your skills and you really think you're this all-time great, you know, you should, you should talk about it.
You should start telling people this.
You should start bringing animosity to these fights and getting people excited to watch these fights because they're paying their hard-earned money for this pay-per-view.
How are you going to sell a pay-per-view if you're not saying one thing to the guy and you're just sitting there quiet?
Like, no one wants to see two guys that are like, oh, I respect you.
Honor, MMA, I love you.
You know, 100%.
He's right.
When you're seeing a, when you're seeing, like, I thought Mayweather and Connor, their press conference is probably the best one of all time.
It was slapping him on the head.
The backpack and all that stuff.
I thought that was the best, best press conference of all time.
And there's been a few of them, right?
Like Daniel Cormier and John Jones, the interview, phenomenal interview.
Connor, Nick Diaz.
He's like, so, you know, can you count to 10?
He says, can we count the five, right?
Or hey, we're going to talk about money.
Hey, you can take this one out.
I was asking you questions about money.
That was crazy, right?
Those moments that you had.
And then some of them is, again, purely from a fan perspective.
Some of them you know it's real.
Some of them you know you're you're you're selling.
Yeah, you can kind of like, okay, because the other guy's not responding to any of it.
Like when Connor did the Muslim thing, I think with him and Khabib, when they were going back and forth, and then you saw Khabib, the guy says, hey, salam alaikum, you know, and by the way, Connor, congratulations on your property 12.
And he says, hey, you can't say that and then say thank you to alcohol.
He says, well, do something about it.
These are moments that are built to fight.
But I want to ask you this question because I actually enjoy your performance.
I enjoy how you're putting on a show and doing what you're doing.
But, you know, the comments made about the father.
I just want to ask to see what you're going to say.
Comments made about the father.
Even Dana comes back and says, look, you guys can say whatever trash talk you want to do.
But when it comes up to family, stay out of it.
Connor's done it with Dustin's wife.
You did it with Leon's father.
And Leon's a, he's a South Paul, right?
Because we threw it.
It was perfectly accurate.
I don't even know what he threw out your face.
It threw it a water bottle.
He threw a water bottle.
I'm like, how does he, how's he that accurate with this?
Then I'm like, this guy's a south paw.
I got you.
This makes sense.
So what is the limit?
Do you feel bad when you make those comments?
Or you're like, no, my job is to sell and I'm a showman.
You know, honesty is everything with me.
You know, like the truth is always the things that sting the most to these fighters out there.
So, you know, I'm not saying this guy's on the same level of like a Hitler or just someone like that, but when are we going to celebrate someone who's had such a terrible past?
You know, the guy was literally a sex trafficker.
The guy was literally caught up with drug lords.
Who are you talking about?
I'm talking about Leon's father.
I mean, he has a troubled criminal past.
I mean, there's legitimate facts that he did, you know, like I'm not going to hide the truth.
And I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who, you know, put torment and so much pain in people's lives.
You know, there's a lot of victims left over from Leon's father, you know, whether it was the women that he sex trafficked, whether it was the people that he sold drugs to.
I mean, it's just, I'm not going to feel bad for someone like that.
So, you know, it is what it is.
That's, that's life.
You know, I'm just being honest with him.
You know, I'm, dude, he's not a good person.
And you're doubling down.
You're not even, you know, pulling back on this.
You're doubling down on his father.
I'm doubling down.
Why would I feel bad for anything I say about someone that is such a criminal and put so much pain in people's lives?
You know, I'm not going to feel bad for someone like that.
Just like Hitler.
He was a terrible person, man.
I'm comparing his dad to Hitler.
I'm not comparing him to Hitler, but I'm saying it's that same level of bad guy.
Like the guy, the guy sold drugs.
He's sex sex trafficking.
Do you know this is this public?
Is this public information?
Public information.
It's crazy because nobody, I mean, just hearing the comment, you're like, oh, dude, you're saying his dad's in hell.
Nobody really knows.
I didn't know about the history of his dad.
I know his dad was sex trafficking people and selling drugs.
I mean, if that's public information.
So maybe let me ask a different question because, you know, we run a sales organization and we have meetings that are very, very intense and call outs and all this stuff.
And we have a rule, call out whatever you want.
Don't hit family.
Don't hit spouse.
You're fine.
Okay.
And there'll be the shit talking that takes place.
Now, obviously, there's no fights.
It's not a real fight that we're talking about.
Do you get a call and say, hey, you crossed the line?
Like, you can't say that again.
Or in UFC, no one's going to call you to tell you anything.
It's just, if you want to say it, say it.
Nothing's off the table.
Is that kind of how the culture is in UFC?
Or will you get a call at times?
Yeah, I mean, you'll definitely get a call at times if you're racist or you go after someone's religion.
But I would never go after those two things.
You know, I'll expose.
things that need to be exposed because it's the truth and it's honesty.
Like you can look up the public records about his dad and it's not my fault.
He's the one that put him in the limelight in the first place and tried to make it a sympathetic figure.
Oh, I lost my father.
Oh, this and that.
And they made it feel like, oh, let's give Leon sympathy for this.
Like, that's not something you should give someone sympathy for.
If my dad was doing things like that, I would call him out on that too.
I'd be like, dude, you know, he probably deserves to be six feet under because, you know, he did a lot of bad things to people in this life.
So, you know, I'm not going to feel bad or celebrate that person like he's a hero because that guy's not a hero.
He's a villain.
He's a terrible person.
He did terrible things.
Apparently, he was shot and killed when Leon was 13.
So how much do you think this had adverse effect on you?
Because Leon said he was completely enraged, emotional, crying.
This is after he threw the water bottle.
Obviously, there was a little tussle right there.
And he said that, you know, it breaks my heart that he uses my father as entertainment.
And he said about you, he said that he's a great competitor, but he's a dirty human being.
This is his response to you.
So with all that being said, like, have you guys spoken after the fight?
How does it work?
Does there any apologies?
Or it's like, fuck you, go to hell.
No, I mean, I didn't break his bank account.
I might have might have broke his feelings.
He might be hurt.
But even Dana White said after I said that, the pay-per-views jumped 25% instantly.
This is Dano's words and quotes.
So, you know, whether you want to say it's for entertainment and for selling pay-per-views, you know, I made Leon a lot more money just talking about it.
So, you know, no matter what you want to think of it, whether good or bad, you know, I put more money in Leon's bank account and he should be thanking me for that.
Kobe, how much of this is, because, you know, like too short.
Not too short.
Is it too short?
Yeah.
The rapper?
You know, the rapper too short back in the days.
I don't know if you remember too short.
So too short, you know, every record he would do, he said, this is my final album six months later.
No, no, this is the final album.
About 12 times it was always we're buying his final album.
But it's a great marketing.
Another guy that was a great marketer, he says when he would hang out with Tupac, he says, on any given day, you had no idea what personality would show up, right?
One minute, it would be the party guy.
Let's go, girls, let's go.
One minute is the philosopher.
Did you know the Hegelian dialectic?
And did you know what?
One minute is the revolutionary guy.
You know, we're going to go take over the world and it's not fair what they're doing to our people.
One minute it was the gangster, right?
One minute it was the artist, right?
So you didn't know who that person was going to be on any given day.
Do you feel you have a little bit of that?
Because, you know, like Usman sees you at the airport.
You guys run into each other.
What a nice guy.
Talk to me, gentlemen, the whole night.
And then if I see you in the airport again, I'm on a ba, right?
Is that an act or is it, you know, you don't know what personality of Kobe is going to show up on any given day?
Which one do you think it is?
Because sometimes creatives have multiple personalities.
It's not just one thing that it is.
Which one do you think is you?
No, there's definitely no act or personality with me.
I just turn it up to 11 when I get into business and around a camera.
I'm not going to be nice.
You know, we're getting locked in a cage to kill that person.
That's what the people want to celebrate.
They want to see bloodlust.
They want to see fighters getting broken bones and sent to the hospital.
So why am I going to feel bad about some words that I'm saying?
And the words I'm saying, I believe they're true.
And I stand behind those with conviction.
So I'm not going to feel bad for exposing the truth to the world.
And people are sensitive.
You know, it's get a helmet.
Like my friend Candace Owens says, get a helmet and big deal, get over it.
So, you know, there's no personality.
I'm just not afraid to speak the truth.
And when it's time to do business and it's fight week and the cameras are on, you know, I'm going to say things that I feel are true.
And that opponent has a chance to go in the octagon, do whatever you want to me.
He had 25 minutes to do whatever he wanted to take his frustrations out on me legally.
And he wasn't able to do anything.
There's not a scratch on my face.
It was an easy fight.
I can't believe they paid me that much money to go fight that guy.
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So, you know, President Trump, okay, he gets up there.
He's comfortable calling everybody out.
What did you say about McCain?
I want my soldiers to not be prisoners of war.
You know, and then the next thing you know, he gets heat from there, right?
And then he calls out fake news, calls out Acosta, calls out everybody, and he's non-stop about it, right?
Okay.
When you do that, you know, you know, certain people when you joke with them and they're sarcastic towards you, but then all of a sudden you're sarcastic towards them.
Yeah.
And they're kind of like hurt.
Wait a minute, bro.
What's wrong with you?
You're good dishing it, but you're not good taking it, right?
How much of it is also for you where it's like, you know, they're going to say stuff to you.
Right after the fight, you know, he didn't look good.
It's time to retire.
Michael Chandler, he's got to be in prelims moving forward.
His fights no longer main fight.
You know, Patty is saying, if I see him in the streets, I'm going to, you know, whatever.
And then Strickland talking about, I can't believe what he just said.
And Strickland wanted to say things to you.
What is your reaction?
Because your immediate reaction right now, smile on your face.
Do you get off of it?
Are you like, I'm getting the world to react to me?
Or you're not even thinking about it?
Yeah, I mean, I don't really think about it, but obviously my first reaction to it now is just laughing because all those people, there's no substance.
They're talking to talk.
They're not going to walk the walk.
You know, Patty, they gave him two heroin addicts to fight back to back.
And he didn't even beat the last one.
He fought this guy, Jared Gordon, a legit heroin addict.
He didn't even win the fight.
The world knew he lost that fight.
So, you know, if he didn't have a bull cut and an accent, nobody would care about Patty.
That's the only reason they like him is a bull cutting accent.
He's not even a good fighter.
He'll never be a top 30 fighter.
The closest he'll ever get to fighting for a world title is if he got on his knees and came and sniffed my jockstrap.
It's facts.
But he's a good marketer.
How about he's a good marketer?
He just has a bull cutting accent.
He's not even a marketer.
But an accent is so entertaining.
By the way, an accent's so hard, he thought he was from Ireland.
I'm like, no, he's from England, bro.
Same shit.
He's so wild.
You know, he cut the bull cut.
Now he's got like braids.
Oh, well, I mean, for the fight, they get cornworlds for the fight today.
Cornrows, my apologies.
I don't want to call trail programs.
Sandra said, you know, pre-links and Strickland is, you know, he just straight up stopped.
He wanted to make a comment about what you said about Leon's father.
Yeah, I mean, look at the stuff that Sean Strickland does.
He should worry about figuring out his justice system situation over in Vegas, pistol whipping some guy in the middle of the street and almost shooting the guy dead that was just walking around drunk around his neighborhood.
So the guy's a train wreck.
That's the type of guy that might do some Eddie Guerrero stuff to his family in the future.
You got to be careful.
You know, that guy's, he's brain dead.
He's been hit in the head too many times.
So he, you know, I think he's going to have some problems in the future.
And then Michael Chandler, who?
I mean, the guy was getting knocked out in Bellatoy.
That guy's a complete scrub.
What's his UFC record?
Like one in four?
Like, we're talking about that.
My win percentage in the UFC is like over 90%.
Like it's just, you know, I'm an all-time great in this division.
I've done things in this division that people aren't ever going to do.
I mean, I'm the only fighter to ever go to the White House and hang out with a sitting president.
I'm the only one to ever get the first family front row.
I'm the only one to ever have, you know, a president out there supporting and dapping me up before I walk in the octagon.
So he can keep talking all he wants, but there's no substance.
Another guy that's just all talking, no walk.
Can I ask you a question?
So, Kobe, when it comes to Trump, and I'm pretty sure with you, it's either, you know, love or hate.
There's nobody, I've never met somebody that's just like, yeah, Trump, you know, I'm cool with him.
It's either love or hate.
What was the moment for you, Kobe?
Because I know what it is, what it was for me about the country and the movement and the voice.
It couldn't have been, I'm not saying it could have been anybody, but what was that moment for you where you're like, oh, shit, like this, this is this president is, this is who I connect with.
And then that phone call, you beat Tyrone Woodley, you're sitting in there post-fight, you're getting interviewed, and all of a sudden somebody comes and gives you a phone, and it's the president of the United States is Trump.
What was that moment for you, Colby, and how does that feel sitting in an interview and the president of the United States wants to talk to you?
I mean, the moment where I really was just like, man, that's so admirable was just seeing that he gave up his, you know, rich and wealthy lifestyle to come fight for America.
The guy could be having his toes in the sand with Mama Ceda's giving him my ties on the beach every single day, but he doesn't want to do that.
He's the only president in history who his net worth has went down after being in office.
So who else can say that?
All these other guys like the Bidens, the Clintons, their net worth goes up substantially.
The Obamas, they go up substantially after they're in office.
They use all these politicians and all these lobbyists and they just make money from them.
So that's when I respected Trump the most, just seeing that he was willing to give up his lifestyle, his net worth, his great business tactics that he has to save America, to save against all these communist swamp creatures that are in D.C. right now.
So that's why I gained the most respect.
And just to see all the loyalty that he's shown me, I mean, he's calling me after a fight.
You know, he's giving me advice before fights.
He's, you know, inviting me over to his house at Mar-a-Lago to have dinner like before my fights.
You know, just the amount of loyalty that he's shown me, like just some nobody fighter, like he's the most famous person on earth.
He doesn't have to call me and waste his time.
He has the busiest schedule of any man on earth right now.
So just seeing how loyal he is to me just shows he's just a regular dude, just the guy next door that respects people.
And if you show him loyalty, he's going to show it to you in return.
When you know that he's in the audience, Kobe, does that feel, does that make you like, because I can, like, if these guys come to see me perform, I know in the back of my head doing stand-up, I'm like, okay, I know exactly, Pats.
Is he laughing?
Is Adam laughing?
You know, I see Rob's shiny head.
I'm like, you know what I mean?
I'm looking around.
I'm booing in the back.
Adam is booing.
Is he throwing tomatoes?
Cole, when you're fighting, bro, and you know where he's at.
Everybody knows where Trump is at.
Does that fuel you?
Does that amp you up that you know that this guy's there?
It does.
It does amp me up, but it's also a lot of pressure.
You don't want to let that guy down, you know, especially all the things he's done for me and my career and done for this country.
I mean, he's single-handedly fought back against the swamp and exposed all the corruption of the Democrats.
You know, these guys will go to any length to take back this country.
They don't want America to be free and fair.
They don't want the people to be in control of America.
They want to have all this communist stuff.
You know, look at how they shut down our country for a fake pandemic just so they could do control to mail in ballots.
And then, you know, now they're letting our border just be completely wide open so they can use those illegals to vote for them.
But they're still losing in the polls and, you know, weaponizing the justice system.
That's third world dictator type things.
So, you know, Trump's the only man standing between them and America.
And, you know, he loves America more than he loves himself and more than he loves his family.
Like, that's how much he cares about America and changing America forever.
So we need America back.
We need Donald Trump back in office.
He's going to restore democracy in America.
Colby, I got to tell you, bro, what you're doing with the Trump and the MAGA, brilliant.
I'll tell you why.
We were at UFC in Miami.
When was that?
This past summer.
A couple months ago.
Let me tell you.
This is the first time I've been to a UFC fight.
Okay.
I've been in that heat arena a thousand times.
All of a sudden we hear him.
What's going on?
Donald Trump just showed up.
Crowds going nuts.
I'm like, oh, shit.
So at that moment, I was like, oh, shit.
UFC loves them some Trump.
Okay.
It was impressive.
So I know you're saying that possibly being a Trump supporter caused you this fight, but from a marketing standpoint, from an alignment standpoint, for who your brand is, this is on brand, right?
So never apologize for that.
Whether people like Trump, not Trump, this has helped your brand, no doubt.
I don't know any other UFC fighters marketing, make America great again like you.
But I think he's 100% true belief.
I don't think it's an act.
I don't think he is.
0% an act, right?
So number one, when are you running for Congress?
Number two, if Trump wins, are you going to take a position as White House?
But most importantly, are you the Donald Trump of the UFC?
Yeah, I do believe I'm the Donald Trump of the UFC.
He's my biggest role model.
He's my mentor, and he's someone that I really look up to.
So I try and model my career after a lot of things that he's done.
And, you know, I definitely would like to run for Congress in a few years.
You know, I think I'd be the perfect fighter.
You know, I'm not a guy that's going to sell out to the establishment.
I'm a self-made man from nothing.
You know, I came from a blue-collar family in Oregon who had absolutely nothing, who lived in the trailer parks.
Now I'm a multi-million dollar athlete.
So, you know, I think that I can do great things for this Republican and conservative movement that other guys won't be able to do because they don't have the funds and means to do it.
So, you know, I appreciate everything Donald Trump's done for me.
I'm a true believer.
I'll die fighting for that man.
Like, I've given up my platform for him.
I'm completely shadow banned on one of the platforms, you know, that's the biggest platform.
I'm not going to talk about it.
It doesn't deserve it.
But, you know, I even had the UFC try and reach out to him and be like, hey, why is he shadow banned?
And they won't even tell him.
They won't even, you can't even search me in some of the search bars.
The only one that people can find me at is really X because Elon Musk has restored free speech in America.
So, you know, I can't say the same for Zuckerberg.
He's done some pretty nasty things.
He believes in communism and, you know, he's, he's in cahoots with China as well.
And I mean, he put, what, $500 million into the last election, which is crazy for mail-in ballots and all these places.
Zuckerberg spent, well, was it Rob?
$500 million on the that's absolutely if and by the way, you know what he is.
He's a Democrat.
So what do you think that that money and all that thing was going for?
You can't even find my profile.
I've had over a million followers for and this is on Instagram right now.
If you type in cold Pop up.
You can't find me on my fan pages.
Stop it.
But put in your actual put it together so it's not.
Despicable.
Oh, but you have to put it together.
Why do you have to put it together?
I don't know.
Miss the end.
Go miss the end.
Just go like Kobe Covington, like almost there.
So you guys spell out the whole entire name.
Come on.
No, I don't.
He's right.
I was just tagging you before I came in here, Kobe.
It wouldn't let me find you.
I'm like, I had to put it in twice.
I'm like, where the hell is Kobe?
When did that start?
That started four years ago when I put up my picture with Donald Trump as my head profile picture.
By the way, you know, if I type in, look, Patrick Mahomes, let's just say.
PA.
Just PA.
Yeah.
It's the first one.
Can we do a quick little thing right here?
People don't realize how three super famous names and see how it pops up.
Yeah, Patrick is first.
No, no, no.
By the way, put Dana.
Put Dana to see, not even though, right there, it pops up.
Dana White pops up.
Boom.
Unbelievable.
Try something like go in a completely different space.
Go to Anthony.
I have all my profiles that have 500 followers.
Unbelievable.
Type in Anthony Edwards.
Like right there.
He just pops up.
All you have to do was Anthony.
It pops up.
Yeah.
The blue check mark.
Why do you think that is, though?
Do you think, dude?
You think it's purely political?
It's purely political.
It's completely their agenda.
They're trying to silence free speech.
They don't want anybody that opposes their narrative.
And if you go, if you don't believe everything that the liberals say and you don't believe that it's flame and yawn, even though it's shit and trying to shove shit down your throat, then they'll censor you.
They will not allow free speech in America.
And that's what our youth and our kids need to see.
Like, this is the stuff they need to see.
They don't need to have all this woke CRT, critical race theory agenda shut down their throats and not be able to see the other side of it, the Republican conservative side.
So, you know, it is what it is.
I'm glad I would stand up.
I don't need social media to know that I'm famous or know that I'm standing for what is right.
I know I'm standing for what's right because look, I don't even like really talk so much political.
I'm just showing my support for Trump.
That's all I'm doing.
I respect Trump as a businessman, as a man, as a father, as a family guy.
The guy's just a great person overall.
And look, I put up a picture with him, and that's why they're censoring me.
They won't allow my profile to be viewed by the masses.
They want to shadowban me.
So it's just disgusting.
It's despicable.
Yeah, that's a.
I wonder who else they're doing that with.
You know, the fact that somebody can't find the name right off the bat and have to type the whole thing in, I have to put it together for it to pull up.
Yeah.
Deeply concerning.
Okay.
Let me go to a couple things here with while we're on the topic.
LeBron.
LeBron walks in.
You made a couple comments on it on what he did.
And I know you talked about it with Full Sand, Nelk Voice, all those guys.
And, you know, your, you know, walks in, I think it's a kid's game or something like that.
And he grabs a seat, doesn't even stand up.
You're thinking maybe after you get to your seat, then you're going to stand up, at least pay some kind of respect.
Yeah.
Nothing.
And, you know, you see that.
Why is that important?
So maybe a person on the other side is going to say, look, he just chose to sit down.
Why is that important to somebody on the left, right, and the middle for the biggest star in basketball to stand up during the national anthem?
Yeah, why it's important is because the place that he's made all his money and his billion-dollar net worth is the country that he's sitting down for, that national anthem, the fallen heroes of the families that supported his freedom here in America so he could chase his dreams and have his opportunity in the NBA.
He would be nothing without this country.
Try and go make that money over in China.
Try and make that money in Korea and all these other countries that aren't free.
And no, you couldn't do it.
So the fact that he's just spitting on the face of all our service members, you know, all our military veterans, past and present, it's the most despicable thing I've ever seen in my life.
The guy is just, you know, he's just a shill.
Why do you think he's not?
You think it's intentional?
It's intentional.
Why do you think he's not standing up?
Because, you know, he's paid and bought for by a Chinese.
He's a Chinese finger puppet.
You know, he's got all his sweatshops over in China where he makes his hundreds of millions of dollars off merchandise.
So he's told to, you know, have a muscle on him and not talk.
Don't you think he's told?
Do you think that's him?
Meaning, you know, you know, because there's a lot of guys in the NBA that are, you know, somebody can say, well, you know, some owners, Mark Cuban, defended this, this, that, but he still stands up.
There's a lot of guys that are still paid by China that still stand up.
Why do you think he's not standing up?
I think he's just completely paid in Balfour, and I just don't think he's intelligent enough to formulate his own response to why he's not.
It's just straight money going to his bank account.
You think he loves America?
No, he hates America.
He sits down every time there's a national anthem playing.
He shits on all our first responders.
He's literally called hits on our first responders, the people that protect us and keep us free.
Oh, oh, police, BLM.
Oh, they're so bad.
But then anytime there's any situation, oh, police help me, help me, help my James family come protect us and make sure none of my crazy fans come after me.
But then he'll go on the internet and just talk about how police are so bad.
And, you know, he'll talk about a 1% of a 1% of a situation and try and despise them like they're the bad guys when our first responders, our law enforcement is our heroes and our backbone of our country in America.
Has he ever given a positive shout out to cops?
No.
I just saw this tweet from 2021.
Remember when he deleted the tweet about police shooting at Makir Bryant?
LeBron James is inciting violence on Ohio police.
This is this, what was a tweet that he had there?
I'm so damn tired of seeing black people killed by police.
I took the tweet down because it's being used to create more hate.
This isn't about one officer.
It's about the entirety of the system.
Like, I wonder, has he ever gone up and said, hey, I just wanted to thank everybody here, the service.
I want to thank the military personnel.
I want to thank our officers, our firefighters, our first responders.
Absolutely not, Pat.
Have you ever heard him say that?
Absolutely not.
And Kobe, you hit the nail on the head.
And this goes to show how much China, and I've said this on multiple podcasts.
He's obviously owned by China.
A lot of the athletes here are.
Who is the wrestler?
John Cena.
John Cena said something sticking up for the poor people of Taiwan, and then he had to say an apology in Mandarin because he knows that that's the hand that feet.
Which he somehow speaks fluently.
Fluently.
And then mind you, dude, and I've said this so many times.
China owns our asses.
They fly spy balloons.
They own Biden.
They own LeBron.
And bro, the beauty about this country, and Kobe, I'm a veteran.
Pat's a veteran.
You have the freedom here to do that.
You can do that.
You could sit there.
He could make snow angels on the court.
But guess what?
You're a shitty person for doing it.
I have zero respect.
Okay, he's an athlete.
People are like, well, you got to respect this game.
I don't give a shit about the game.
I'm not even a basketball fan, but you're a shitty person to go in there while everybody's standing up and respecting the national anthem and you're sitting there.
He's letting the world.
It's a terrible example to kids.
That's all I was just going to say.
Kids are watching it going, wait, if LeBron James, and people don't realize how many millions, Pat, how many millions of children in this country know and they see that and they go, oh, you know what?
He's doing it to hell with America.
We're evil.
By the way, for some people that are watching this, who are diehard LeBron fans, they're like, oh, you guys are being unfair.
I would love to see a video clip of him giving a shout out and thanking cops or military firefighters or military personnel.
I'd love to see it.
I've never seen it.
Ever.
Yeah, I've never seen it.
Especially when he uses their service so constantly.
It's police security to protect his family.
So the guy puts a ball in the hoop.
You play a kid's game.
You haven't solved world hunger.
You haven't solved cancer.
Stop acting like you're so righteous and you're perfect, dude.
That guy's not a role model.
The role models are military guys like you who fought for our freedoms and defended our country's land.
You know, first responders who, you know, protect our communities, protect our, our, you know, all the big people in this country.
And those are the, those are the role models that our kids should be looking up to, not these athletes who put a ball in a hoop.
How does that make you so special?
Colby, maybe there's a deeper narrative here, you know, because right now I'm picturing Colby versus LeBron, right?
But I'm going deeper.
I'm seeing UFC versus the NBA.
What do I mean?
So we all remember during 2020, during the bubble, no league was more woke or social justice warriors than the NBA.
Everyone like literally changed the name on their jerseys to whatever cause they had, end racism, the current thing, whatever it was.
I think a couple guys had I'm with her.
I don't know what's going on out there.
Yeah.
But UFC.
So I mean, even Golden State Warriors, when they won the championship, they wouldn't go meet Trump in the White House.
So I think it's fair to say that the NBA is left.
I don't see Trump going to NBA games.
No.
I see Trump showing up to UFC fights.
I see a lot of UFC guys, you know, even Masvedal, who's not your buddy these days.
We can touch on that at this point.
He loves him some Trump.
And a lot of guys, I assume, are in that camp.
So from a deeper perspective, the UFC, the mentality, the ideology there versus the NBA, what they stand for, the relationship with China, not going to visit the White House, Adam Silver versus Dana White.
There's a bigger, compelling story here.
Give us the bigger narrative, NBA versus UFC.
Yeah, the bigger narrative is, you know, Dana White, Hunter Campbell, the guys that run the UFC, they're free speech absolutists.
You know, they believe in us not being muzzled.
We should be able to say whatever they want.
You know, in the NBA, Adam Silver tells them, nope, you're going to stay.
You're going to say the left narrative.
And there's only going to be one way that we're going to talk about because those are the guys that are paying our bills.
Those are the ones that we have our merchandise deals with.
Those are the ones that we have our TV deals with over in China.
So, you know, NBA is not a free league.
Like, I have guys that have reached out to me on Instagram from the NBA.
They're like, man, we appreciate what you're standing up for, Colby, but we can't say the same thing because then we'll lose our livelihood.
Then we won't have our checks to pay for our houses and pay for our food on the table for our families.
So I feel bad for these guys where they're not allowed to express their real thoughts and feelings.
They have to listen to what, you know, the narrative that's shoved down their throat from the left in the NBA.
And there's one way.
And if you go up against it, then you're going to lose your job.
I mean, look at what they did to Kyrie Irving.
They painted him out in the street like he was the biggest villain of all time.
The guy's just, you know, believe in free speech, believe in, you know, his own, you know, right to choose what he should do with his body, my body, my choice.
He's not like a guy like Travis Kelsey out there who's believing in, oh, I'm paid off by Pfizer.
Guys, get two shots at the same time.
That's the healthiest thing you could ever do with your life.
Dude, two shots.
I mean, I didn't get the vaccine.
I don't believe in vaccine, but I'm not against someone that does believe in vaccine.
If you did get the vaccine, you should probably just get one at a time because if there's an adverse and wrong effect in it, then how are you going to know which one is the cause of it if you're getting two at the same time?
That's irresponsible.
Travis Kelsey is one of the biggest pieces of shit of all time.
The fact that he's advising people to do that, you know, he's not doing it.
He's just telling people to do it because he's getting paid off and bought for by Pfizer.
It's disgusting.
And how much do you think Taylor Swift has this?
Because Taylor Dwist is, Taylor Swift is sort of the darling of the left.
Dude, this guy won two Super Bowls.
He seems like a rugged, badass dude, you know, arguably the greatest tight end playing today.
How much is the left, the narrative, Taylor Swift coming into Travis Kelsey and infusing their ideology on him, you think?
Oh, yeah, 100%.
But that, you know, that's a fake relationship.
That's just the left putting these two powerful figures together so they can be role models and teach these nasty things to kids of today.
You know, that it looks, you can tell that the left is just going after the most famous people they can, the athletes, celebrities, entertainers, and they're just getting them to shove their narrative down these kids' throats.
Wait, what?
Guys, I just searched something right now based on what you just said.
Okay, if you don't know the answer, I'm really curious to know what you're going to say.
What do you think he got paid from Pfizer for this commercial?
$100 million?
No, no.
No one's going to pay that kind of money.
I'm saying for no campaign.
Let me tell you something.
For $100 million, I'm fucking halving everything.
But he's not going to money.
Typically, you get a cost like half a million bucks.
Yeah.
That's a big deal, right?
What do you think he got paid for that?
Okay, now that it's like that, what, $5 million?
What do you think?
That's a lot.
I've not heard of $5 million deals for a Travis Kelsey.
What do you think he got paid for that?
I mean, listen, for you to go around and be the spokesperson for Pfizer and you're the face of the NFL and you're dating Taylor Swift.
How much?
Whatever number you're like, dude, I would give it to her.
Hold this number up, right?
I'd go saying $10 million.
2020.
Are you kidding me?
Wow.
Did you guys know this?
I had no idea.
I just Googled it right.
According to a report from Andrew Pitt Cash, Travis Kelsey was offered a strong incentive to take part of the Pfizer promotion.
The Kansas City star is stated to have made a massive $20 million from the advertisement.
Oh, weird.
Oh, my God.
I had no clue.
And then think about this.
And you nailed it.
I bullied leash.
But yo, look at this tactic.
And I said this yesterday.
You got to kip your hats to Democrats.
They recruit his ass.
They make them date.
She's a Democrat.
You wait in six months?
Guess what she's going to say to all her, what are they called?
Or Swifties?
Hey, guys, if Donald Trump makes it, hope to God.
Don't vote.
They're evil.
Vote for whoever, Newsom or whoever.
Do you know how influential her voice is going to be?
One million.
For a vote.
And that's the tactic.
Get nine jabs and vote for the left.
They're not stupid.
Let me tell you something.
That money wasn't.
Let me tell you something.
I would never mess with the UFC.
Those guys are badasses.
You do not want to mess with the Swift.
Yeah, those shit.
So check this out.
Look at this.
Go on the article and go a little lower.
Watch this here.
Go a little lower.
Okay, zoom in right there on the top tweet.
On the top tweet, right above it.
No, no, the other way.
The other way.
So Kelsey typically makes $5 million a year from endorsements and $14 million salary.
These endorsements are Nike Ty, T-Mobile, Old Spice, Walgreens, McDonald's, Papa John's, Sleep Number, and Dick Sporting Goods.
One company, Pfizer, paid him four times the amount of all of those big companies paid him.
So, oh my gosh, I don't like that.
Man, 20 million bucks?
Yeah.
This is it.
No, no, this is exactly why when I talked to Vivekana RFK, I said, somebody as a president, you have to take, you have to not allow Big Pharma to pay this type of money put for people because you're going to be tempted to, like, he just said, what?
He said, I'll take $100 million.
Even Adam's like, I'll take $100 million for this.
But imagine how many other kids are sitting there saying, yeah, that's my guy.
He's dating Taylor Swift.
I'll take the vaccine.
I'll do this.
I'll do that.
And what are the effects on that?
Myocarditis.
Myocarditis.
Let's say it's one in a thousand.
Let's say it's one in 10,000.
Let's say it's one in 100,000.
You're okay with that?
I don't know about that, man.
20 million bucks.
I thought it was honesty.
I thought the number was going to be a million to 2.5 million max.
When I saw that commercial, I thought it was a spook.
Come on, Kobe.
When I saw that commercial, I'm like, this is a comedy spook.
Trap yourself twice?
Get out of here.
By the way, the reason I even know about this is because you know who called him out initially was Aaron Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show.
But let me tell you something.
I believe in free market capitalism.
Make your decisions.
If you want online, you want to go basically literally sell out to Big Pharma and take your $20 million.
You do what you got to do, Travis.
But we have the right to be like, uh-uh, motherfucker.
Hold on.
Yeah, that's not.
I'm so grateful that people even found this.
He made $5 million.
Go back to those brands again.
I don't know about this.
How is this not public information?
These are some of the biggest brands in the world.
Nike.
Wow, Tide, T-Mobile, Old Spice, Walgreens, McDonald's.
I mean, this is massive billion-dollar marketing.
But it was not equal to what Pfizer did.
Why even why even play football for $14 million a year?
The hell with getting a concussion and getting your brain messed up.
Just keep saying, hey, next year, be like, hey, guys, get three more jabs, $20 million a year while you're playing football.
Not a year for one commercial.
So, by the way, you know, some of the guys in all sports watch this, and, you know, we talk to these guys.
You know, some of the names.
We won't say publicly, but you know what they're thinking right now?
They're probably calling their manager.
But think about how tarnished Pfizer's brand is.
That whatever their marketing budget was before, they need to double it, triple it, 10X it.
Prior to whatever happened with COVID, if they called Pfizer, he's like, yeah, for a half a million bucks, whatever.
$20 million, they come knocking down your door and they throw in a free Swifty CD, dude, you're going to fucking consider that.
That's $20 million for one, like half a day of work.
For a campaign, yeah.
Wow, that's almost like I'm telling you, I want one law for president to push.
Out of all the countries in the world, nearly 200 countries in the world, only two allow Big Pharma to advertise.
We've talked about this a number of times.
It's U.S. and New Zealand.
We just need one president coming in and say, hey, Big Pharma, you can no longer pay Travis Kelsey 20 million bucks to do something like this.
Not Big Pharma, okay?
Well, that's not fair.
Don't you believe in capitalism?
If you believe in the capitalism, you believe in let cigarettes be sold on, you know, how come cigarettes don't do advertisement?
How come tobacco, there's a lot of companies that can't do advertisement on TV.
I think these guys, after COVID, have proven they don't, they should not have the free fraud to throw money at everybody and say, go advertise.
$20 million.
Gaslighting.
One commercial.
You know, he's not really actually taking two jabs.
I guess talks about health is his cornerstone of his career.
You know, the things he puts in his body for his diet, you know, his work ethic in the gym, lifting weights.
Those are the things.
But they're trying to brainwash these kids.
Like, oh, take the jab.
This is what's going to make you healthy.
This is what's going to make you a star NFL player.
So that's gaslighting.
Let me ask you, bro.
Let me ask you a question.
What's your vibes?
If we go out and we're watching, you know, we're watching, we're hanging out at playing cards, and Kelsey's a neighbor.
He comes.
Him and his brother, would you get the vibes of them being conservatives or liberals?
I get conservative vibes.
I get conservative vibes.
I do too.
Me too.
Right?
Yeah.
The brothers, like, you know, him and his wife, they're doing family the way they were raised.
I get conservative vibes.
Yeah.
For sure.
For $20 million.
I'm going to be a Democrat for a day.
Yeah, but you're selling it.
Everyone has.
No price.
I disagree.
Everyone has.
Ask him.
Ask him if for $50 million, would you do that commercial?
No, I wouldn't do that for any bingo.
You can't do that.
You can't sleep at night.
You've said this a number of times.
Okay, you got everybody's a price?
Let me ask a question.
I asked Bradley Martin.
You ready?
Yeah.
For how much money will you cut your dangling off and be transgender?
No.
Everybody's got a price to go.
For how much money?
$200 million?
Hang on, let me say on this side.
Would you do it for a billion dollars?
I'm not cutting off any limbs.
Would you do it for a billion bucks?
I'll cut my left pinky toe off, no doubt.
But do you understand?
So when you say everybody has a price, they don't have a price.
How about this?
How about this?
The majority, the vast majority of people do have a price.
They don't have a price.
But hear me out for a second.
It just means this is not a hill you want to die on for you.
You're like, hey, SauceCast, a million dollars Pfizer, I'll take it.
Maybe you would take that sponsorship, right?
Not enough, but okay.
Okay, but what I'm saying is, but maybe you would take it for, and I don't know if you're going to get $20 million pull because you don't have that kind of pull that Kelsey has.
You're not paying Travis Williams.
Yeah.
But all I'm saying to you is, maybe you'll say, I'll take the million bucks.
Because to you, I don't give a shit.
What's the big deal?
I've taken flu shots.
I've taken this.
When I travel, I have to take this shot, that shot.
But there are people that wouldn't take it if you gave them all the money in the world.
There are people literally that wouldn't take it.
Even that statement, everybody has a price tag, gets the populace to believe, well, I have a price tag.
No, I don't think that's the right mindset to think everybody has a price tag.
You may in certain areas you don't give a shit about, but I think you have to have more, you know, certain values and principles that you're not willing to compromise.
It's disappointing because I like his play.
I actually like him as a guy, and I like him and his brother.
I like the fact that they are, you know, they seem like the type of guy you would actually enjoy their company.
You know what I'm saying?
Kelseys don't give me the vibe of like, you wouldn't enjoy their company, snobby people.
They give me the Gronkowski vibe, right?
It's just you're probably fun to party with them.
Maybe not his brother was a good guy to party with, but he comes across as a guy that you'd want to party with.
I'll tell you.
20 million bucks.
Wow.
I'll give you a quick response.
And this is why I say everyone has a price.
I firmly believe that I don't think Travis Kelsey is aligned with whatever this narrative is on the left.
But when they come to you, you've been in these spotlights before.
You've probably been approached by all sorts of people.
They're like Travis Kelsey.
You know, two years ago, nobody knew your freaking name.
Now you've won two Super Bowls.
Let's make a deal, buddy.
What you got in mind?
All right.
Well, how would you like to be the most famous player in the NFL?
What?
What do you mean?
Yeah.
Tom Brady's retired.
You know, there's someone else that can pick up the mantle.
How about we throw in $20 million to shoot one commercial?
All right, go on.
What's it for?
Pfizer?
I don't know about that.
How about we'll make it a little sweeter for you?
Name the biggest, hottest pop star in the world that maybe you'd want to be seen out with constantly.
Cardi B.
No, no, no, Cardi.
Okay.
You know, maybe Taylor Swift shows up to your Arrowhead Stadium for a game randomly.
And maybe you guys fall in love by, you know, accident.
Who knows?
Maybe you're on the cover of people.
Maybe you're the biggest show in the world.
Just maybe, Travis Kelsey.
At some point, even Travis Kelsey, who's a multi-millionaire, I think he's got a $40, $50 million net worth.
He ain't no slouch.
Even he has a price.
So that's my point here is that when I say everybody has a price, maybe it's not literally everybody.
Making sense.
But what I'm saying is for the right deal, even someone.
And I think it validated my point here that even Travis Kelsey is willing to sell out for the money, for the fame, for the chick, all that.
For what, though?
For this hill?
It's not an important hill to him.
What do you think, Kobe, when it comes down to Sabrada's got a price?
Like, if these guys called you with a fat check, what check would you say yes to?
There's not a check I would say yes to.
You know, for me, and I know that everybody doesn't have a price because some people have a conscience.
And to have that on your conscience living every day, that you're advising people that this is healthy and this is what you should do for your body when people are dying by the masses from heart attacks.
I mean, look at LeBron Jones, James' son.
Did he have like cardiac arrest at 17 years old?
17-year-old little super athlete in the James family having cardiac arrest?
That's unhero you never heard about that 10, 20 years ago before these jabs came out.
So no amount of money am I going to be able to live with and feel good about myself.
Like I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.
I go to bed thinking, man, I'm just fooling everybody in America right now.
I'm leading them down a path of destruction.
I just couldn't live with myself with that.
There's no amount of money.
I already have enough money where I came from.
A million dollars was going to set me up for life.
So, you know, there's no amount of money I can't.
You can't buy anything.
Let me ask you this.
You're a man of principle, no doubt.
Knowing what you know, professional athletes, even UFC, for that amount of money, life-changing for most guys.
How many people are at least taking that call and being like, all right, I'll listen to what you guys got to say, fill in the blank controversial.
In UFC.
In UFC or even in professional sports.
You're saying that you wouldn't do it, whatever the number is.
These guys get paid 50 grand a fight to get their face fucking mashed in.
They're calling you for $20 million.
How many guys are picking up that phone?
Oh, yeah, every single one.
You know, nine out of 10.
That's my point.
Yeah, but that's in the UFC where they don't make paychecks like in the NFL.
In the NFL, you know, minimum wage, those guys that sit on the bench are making a million a year.
So, you know, you could be a field goal kicker and you're making three to five million a year.
So that's not enough money.
Like, what?
But the reality is most NFL players are out of the league, broke within three to five years.
That's the NFL.
And that's the reality of it.
NBA, I think it's five years plus.
But these guys, what they need to understand is, I mean, you know, you're 35.
You're still in the prime of your career.
Most guys, by the time they're 30, they're done.
Zero more money ever to be made in their entire life.
Yeah.
Okay.
And that's the reality of an athlete.
It's kind of like a hot model.
It's like, by the time you're 30, cut it off.
Yeah.
So you got to make it now.
Because if Travis Kelsey doesn't do this thing now, nobody's going to be thinking about Travis Kelly.
UFC 35 is not prime.
No, he.
I'm saying Colby.
I'm not saying you.
I'm not talking to Kobe.
I'm saying most guys are done by 30.
Right.
Any sports.
Right.
You're talking about in the other sports.
In any sport.
Yeah.
So, so, so, yeah.
I mean, look, again, it's what he'll, like, for example, Khabib.
You know what everybody learned about Khabib during UFC?
To him, number one is not money.
It's religion.
Oh, there's no question about it, right?
And everybody learned.
Like, this is not an act.
Yeah.
He's not trying to sell tickets.
Guess what?
Say something about my religion, my country, and my family.
It's going to come on the cage.
I swear to God.
Say it one more time.
Look what I'm going to do to you, right?
And guess what?
You're like, oh, shit.
This guy's not playing, right?
Connor found out.
You know, it's okay.
I thought it was just selling tickets and all this other stuff.
No.
To some, they're like, I don't give a shit.
I'll take the vaccine.
And by the way, keep in mind, up until we had kids, dude, I've probably been vaccinated more than anybody at this table.
Probably you and I. You and I probably have the most vaccines.
Anthrax.
I got everything.
Every freaking week in the Army, they were giving us something new.
Remember the line week?
You got those paper.
We would get these air guns.
Guns, bow.
And they would tell us, they're like, just so you know, you're military property for the contract that you signed.
That's what G.I. said.
And you would go.
It's a government issue.
Yes.
Wow.
And you move a little bit.
It's a scar, right?
Remember those?
Shit, what was that all about?
So, like, hey, all I want you to tell you is don't flinch.
Yeah.
Right?
And, Pat, did you have a choice?
No, hell no.
Government GIs.
Yeah, government.
By the way, not only did I not have a choice, more importantly, I didn't give a shit.
That's what I'm trying to tell you.
I'm 18.
I'm 19.
I don't give a shit.
Like, what am I worried about?
I'm not sitting there being educated about it.
But then all of a sudden, when it's no longer about your life, when you have a kid, you look at everything in a different way.
When you don't have a kid, all you're trying to do is make money and like have some kind of influence, power, freedom, control that you can, you know, do whatever things you want to do.
Once you have kids and friends say, hey, did you guys do this?
No, we didn't do it.
Here's why.
Read this pamphlet.
Oh, shit, babe.
What are we going to do with oh, so how about this?
What are you guys going to do when it comes down to it?
What are you going to do with this?
How are you going to have circumstances?
These are all decisions that all of a sudden now you have to make.
You didn't think about that until you have kids.
So I understand when you're single, no kids, not married.
Yeah, I'll take it and I'll do stuff with the money.
But you're getting other guys that are watching the shit that may be saying, if he's taking it, I'll take it as well.
Anyways, we don't need to stay here.
We just found out this guy made 20 million bucks off of Pfizer.
Okay.
Good fine poison.
Good fine.
Fine points.
By the way, so Kobe, what's next with you?
Like right now, what are you thinking?
Are you thinking at this point with fight where I think you ask for a rematch, right?
You want to have a rematch with Leon.
So you're thinking rematch with him.
Is that the main focus you have to get him to want to do a rematch?
I mean, not to get him to get the UFC on board that they need to sell this rematch.
They're going to see that my doctor tells them that literally my foot was broken within the first minute of the fight.
And, you know, I outlanded him in strikes.
I doubled his strike count.
You know, like I feel like I had a, uh, I thought I feel like I won the fight.
So that's all I'm going to do whatever it takes to win the fight.
If I have to win 10 more fights to get back to him, that's how hungry I am.
I'm not like one of these guys like Zion Williamson, where he gets a contract and he just loses his motivation.
You know, he already got paid.
He's not hungry.
No amount of money is going to take away my hunger and passion and drive for this sport.
And for the platform that I love, you know, my platform stands for first responders, stands for military, stands for the Trump.
It stands for the troops.
So I'm going to keep fighting with those guys on my back.
And I'm not done yet.
They could say whatever they want.
They could say, oh, I'm past my prime.
I'm not past my prime.
Dude, I'm just hitting my prime because I took good care of my body.
I didn't spar hard.
I didn't, you know, go get my head hit recklessly.
I've never been knocked out.
So, you know, like, I'm just getting started in my career and I'm going to keep fighting it and I want that rematch.
What did Zion do to you?
Like, you brought in like that was such a lazy, undisciplined athletes.
He's one of those guys, like, they get these paychecks and they just lose their hunger.
You know, they just look at how much weight he's gained.
The guy just, I mean, he's a fat slob.
So he didn't lose his hunger.
That's the one thing he didn't lose.
Yeah, he didn't lose his hunger.
That analysis.
He's got that Chris Chris shit.
He's got a pretty good DM game.
He's DMing everybody nowadays.
He apparently wants to get he wants to be the goat ahead of Sean Camp and Brian McKnight, but that's a different conversation that we brought those two guys up.
So, but going back to this with the, you know, wanting to come back and fight for you, after the world is done with, after the world of UFC is done with, are you thinking what you're going to be doing?
Like, are you, you know, because right after all these sports is typically going to be specifically UFC, the guys that don't have personalities, man, they don't know how to make money.
Yeah.
They don't have any options on how to make money.
Where do I go to?
Literally, the only thing you can do is be an instructor somewhere, making $100, $200 an hour.
You're training other people if you can get paid that, right?
True.
But those that have a personality, do you see, you know, sitting next to Joe, like you're commentating on stories?
Do you see kind of maybe your dedication to the game?
You're going to open up your own Covington gym and train.
What do you see happening to you after UFC?
Have you thought about that?
I haven't thought about it because I'm still 100% in the UFC.
And I feel like, you know, when you start putting that one foot out and start thinking about what's next, then you should probably retire.
You're not still completely invested into fighting.
So I still know I'm one of the best fighters in the world.
You know, I just went five rounds with the supposed champion, you know, who's who was supposed to just completely decimate me.
And it was a very competitive fight.
Could have gone either way.
So, you know, I know that I am more than just a fighter, though.
I'm not just a fighter that shows up and fights in the octagon.
That's not all I can do.
You know, I'm smarter than that.
I can use my mind and I have intellect to be able to navigate the waters and get me where I want to go in life.
But I haven't thought about it.
I do want to get into politics one day because I want to fight for what I believe in.
You know, I want to get into Congress, maybe Senate, maybe something like that.
Maybe be the governor of Florida.
That would be my ultimate dream to be the governor of this state.
Get out of here.
I vote for you.
Really?
So you want to be a governor of Florida?
I do.
That's my dream.
Interesting.
So what do you think about Matt Gates?
A lot of people are saying Matt Gates could be the next governor of Florida after DeSantis.
Yeah.
You know, I think Matt's, he's a great personality.
He's a very smart-witted guy.
And, you know, he's had, you know, there's definitely some things that I've seen him vote on that I didn't completely agree with.
But, you know, no one's perfect.
You actually follow this stuff.
You actually follow the politicals.
How much do you follow?
How intently are you following issues?
Yeah, I mean, issues, not, I mean, you know, I'll check X and I get all my issues there because I can't check the fake news.
We know the fake news will try and tell you that the world's burning and that, you know, that everything is fine, you know, and just to live your life normally and not worry about inflation hitting skyrocketing prices or our border being completely open and terrorists coming through it every single day.
You know, I pay attention, but I'm also like, you know, I don't want to start going full in until my career is over and I can dedicate my whole time to it.
Governor Covington, you know, you know, dude, I love that.
You know, have we have there ever been an MMA professional fighter running for high levels of office?
Has that ever happened?
No, no, but Jesse Ventura was a governor, but he was a wrestler.
Yeah.
But like with him, no, because I can imagine you like debating, and like you like, cameras are off, and you're like, I will fuck you up.
By the way, the line ends up with.
And by the way, if you have a problem with me, we can have a little bit of a bunch of people.
You want to go outside?
Let's go outside.
Let's go.
There's an element of that.
What about you're in Florida?
You're obviously on Team Trump.
Governor DeSantis.
I assume you voted for him.
You didn't vote for DeSantis?
No, I didn't vote for DeSantis.
Oh, sure.
I mean, that was in 2022.
What are your thoughts on his situation with Trump these days?
He was super close to them in the polls.
Now it's a landslide.
Do you think MAGA would ever get behind DeSantis?
What's your anticipation there?
No, MAGA never forgets.
Once you expose yourself for being a certain way, he's an establishment puppy.
He's sponsored by George Soros.
I mean, the guy's an unloyal and unfaithful human being.
If it wasn't for Donald Trump endorsing him for governor of Florida, he would never be the Florida governor.
So for him to try and come run against Trump when he had no chance from the start is just the most despicable thing alive.
Like you, you have the rest of your life.
This is Trump's last shot to save America.
He's the last thing that's standing between communism and capitalism.
Donald Trump loves his country more than he loves his own money, like in his own business, in his own life, in his own family.
Like, why couldn't he just step aside and let Trump have this last hoorah?
You know, like he's got the rest of his life to run for politics.
So it just shows he's an unloyal, unfaithful person.
And MAGA will never forget what he's done to Trump and try and throw him under the bus.
And the fact that he's not condemning Colorado for taking Trump off the ballot, that just shows how dangerous and just how bad of a person he is.
Like, you think that's okay?
That's unconstitutional.
That's not a democracy.
That's straight up communism.
That's straight up dictatorship.
And the fact that he's not condemning it just shows what type of person he is.
And we'll never forget that.
Are you following the primaries?
You see what's going on with DeSantis, Nikki, Vivek, Chris Christie's somehow still there.
Trump hasn't showed up yet.
What are your thoughts on what's going on with the primaries?
And if Trump somehow wasn't the candidate in some other life, who would you would you?
What are your thoughts on Vivek?
What are your thoughts on Nikki?
What are your thoughts?
Yeah, I mean, you know, I think Trump has run away with the primary.
There is no primary.
It's the party of Trump.
So, you know, he's going to, it's a landslide.
He's beating Biden in the polls, and that's why they're trying to find every different way to take him off the ballots because they know they can't beat him fair up.
You know, they know that he's a threat and that they can't stop him.
So, you know, he's the last thing that stands between us and this being a full-out tyrannical government.
So, you know, if Trump wasn't on the ballot, say, but he's going to win this nomination.
He's going to make America great again.
But if he wasn't, you know, I like the things that Vivek's saying.
I think he stands for truth.
I like that he's backing Trump and, you know, he's condemning Colorado, taking him off the ballot because that's unconstitutional.
That's not democracy.
So, you know, I think Vivek's doing a great job.
Smart guy.
He's a tech guy.
He's made a lot of money.
He's done good business.
And that's what we need.
We don't need these political figures that talk so politically.
Oh, everything has to be politically perfect.
No, we need these smart business people that understand how business works because that's what's going to help America.
Stop sending all our money out of the country.
Let's put America first again.
No one's done that.
They're trying to destroy this country.
They want this country to be rotting.
And a lot of people would be letting this country rot and just enjoy the money on the sidelines, but not Trump.
He cares about this country more than he cares about life itself.
And he's willing to put himself in the fire.
And he's the biggest fighter America's ever had.
He's going to bite down his mouthpiece.
He's going to come out here fighting and he's going to take down the swamp.
God bless Donald Trump.
Rob, I just sent you a video.
If you can pull this video up, this is the part where DeSantis is being asked about Vivek's pledge.
Like, hey, here's what Vivek's doing.
What do you want to do?
Are you willing to agree to this?
And a lot of people are saying this is a bad look, but I wonder what you guys think about this.
Go ahead and play this clip.
And real quick, fellow GOP 2024 presidential candidate, Vivek Ramaswamy, saying he will remove himself from the Colorado ballot unless Trump's eligibility is restored.
Would you do the same?
No, I think that's just playing into the left.
I think the case will get overturned by the Supreme Court, but I've qualified for all the ballots.
I'm competing in all the states, and I'm going to accumulate the delegates necessary.
That's the whole name of the game in this situation.
But I do anticipate that that decision was political and will get reversed.
What do you think about the answer?
All right.
What do you think about the answer?
What do you think about that when you hear him saying?
He's not even answering.
He's kind of looping around it.
He's not showing whether he stands up and supports that and believes that's fair or not.
He doesn't give an answer.
And that's kind of what Ron does.
He doesn't really give straight answers.
He kind of beats around the answer to try and appease to his handlers, the people that are his donors and paying him all this money.
You know, the guys, he's sold out to the left now.
Everybody can see that he's being.
I think he sold out to the left.
I think so.
I've seen some of his biggest donors with George Soros, George Soros affiliates.
So you have to look into that.
DeSantis backed by Soros?
That's the first time I've heard that.
By the affiliates, he's saying.
Who's that?
Some affiliates, some donors of Soros have gone in and infiltrated DeSantis' camp.
And who else?
I haven't heard of that yet.
DeSantis plans Wall Street fundraiser with former Soros executive.
Wow.
We are to Kobe.
Breaking some news here, buddy.
Fundraising execs, including former partner.
Truth is a force in nature.
Yeah.
And so, Kobe, like when he mentioned Vivek, and you said, you know, tech guy, and because I mean, Vivek is taking a page out of, you know, Trump's book.
Like, he's this guy, like, and we've talked about this before.
He kind of came out the gates.
He was chill.
He wasn't going hard.
And then by the what, the third, third debate, he's trashing everybody.
We just saw him.
What was the thing, Pat, that made Van Jones shiver or shake?
What was that one, Rob?
Whatever it was, Kobe, I think it was when he went after that Rona McDaniel in the GOP.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He went after them and went out and they came after him.
And Van Jones is like, oh, I was shaking.
But that's the type of attitude.
And I think we talked about this.
Pat, if you don't mind, can we?
Couldn't play.
Yeah, because so play what Van Jones said and then play Vivek responding to it.
Yeah, do you have, are we going to show Vivek doing the oh, yeah, the response.
Yeah, this is what he said.
This is what Van Jones said about Vivek.
And the smug, condescending way that he just spews this poison out is very, very dangerous because he won't stop Trump, but he's going to outlive Trump by about 50 years.
And you're watching the rise of an American demagogue that is a very, very despicable person.
And literally, I was shaking listening to him talk because a lot of people don't know that is one step away from Nazi propaganda coming out of his mouth.
Okay, like from an Indian.
I can't believe that.
Like, that's ridiculous.
And then, and then this is his response.
This is Vivek's response.
So I say that on that last debate stage to a bunch of Republicans that are shaking in their boots.
These are the things you're not supposed to say in the Republican Party even today.
And then you get the mainstream media.
He got this character, Van Jones, on CNN afterwards saying, this is the rise of an American demagogue who's going to live 50 years longer than Trump.
This is dangerous.
I am shaking.
That's what he says.
Just shut the fuck up.
Wow.
I've never really heard Vivek heard that.
Wow, that's amazing.
Shut the fuck up.
Wow.
Now, hold on.
I want to ask him.
Because I want to ask you, but we talked about this in the prep a couple of days ago, Patrick.
You did it.
You're not a fan of that.
You're not a fan of Vivek going, like as a presidential candidate, you're not a fan of that.
I don't know.
I think there's a different.
Vivek's already making so many strides on how much he's come up.
Yes, you know, two days ago, he made the most viral video on X for a single day.
He had 150,000, 200,000 likes.
That thing got 10, 15 million views when he's saying, I'm not going to be, I'm going to be removing myself from the Colorado.
And I'm pledging and I'm challenging my peers, you know, Haley and all these other guys to do the same as well.
Where's it at now?
Kenya.
20 million views.
Look it up.
16.8 million views, 200,000 likes.
You know, he's just sitting there from his, you know, RV saying this.
I don't think a presidential candidate should get up there and saying what he said.
UFC, MMA, all the other stuff, fine.
I don't know if a presidential candidate should go up there and say something like that.
You know, I can see how it could rally a young audience if you're speaking to a private young audience, but you have to know everything you say, someone's going to see it.
In today's climate, nobody gives a shit anymore when you're cursing.
It's no longer what it was 20 years ago.
So I get that part.
It's been dehumanized.
Like it's no longer as, it's been desensitized than what it was before.
I still don't like him saying it.
You don't like, and the only reason I disagree is because at what point, and I know you're going to agree, like enough is enough.
Trump is going to, God willing, for these four years, but when he's done, this is our next product.
I'm thinking of the future, but it's like, if he's the future, it's like we, the left, and they're starting it again with him.
How long are we going to let them get away with it?
Calling somebody evil.
Let me explain something to you, bro.
This is what he said.
And I'm tired of this acting presidential.
So what's acting presidential?
All the illegal shit that they do.
I like it because think about this.
If somebody said this to you, Kobe, you're dangerous, smug, condescending.
You spew poison.
You're an American demagogue.
You're a despicable person.
Dude, we've hung out with this guy.
This saying despicable, he's a freaking family man.
It's shitty.
And that he's speaking one step away from Nazi propaganda.
You know what you say to that?
Shut the fuck up.
That's what...
I don't think so.
I disagree.
You disagree.
And let me tell you what.
I mean, what you're saying will gain you some fans on what you're saying here.
So it's a nice thing for people to say, that's why I love Vinny and that, da-da-da, and make you feel good about it.
But that's not what leaders do.
A leader sits there and says, you could give the same message without having to say that on that platform.
Because that message, again, I've been in a lot of rooms where I've gotten up and given a talk and I've gotten the, hey, bro, great job, dog.
And hey, hey, and I'm like, shit, but I lost those two clients and I lost that person's, the most loyal person that comes with me, family guy, Christian guy that's doing this.
Damn, I shouldn't have used those words.
And if you're not, if you consider yourself wanting to be a leader amongst leaders, who are you leading?
You're leading other leaders, okay?
This is not leading other leaders.
If you do it once, twice, three times, fine.
Don't fall for the temptation.
I just hope this doesn't become a, this doesn't become a trend, but we're hearing it next week and an interview and in a podcast and a this and a that.
You think he'd be a multiple occasion saying the F word or was it because TP, he was at the America Fest and younger crowd and you've been around me.
You've heard me curse.
It's not like I curse.
Not sitting here telling you, I don't.
Yeah.
Or I do.
You know, when you first came to us, your brand was a different brand.
When you were creating content, you were kind of like, what are you doing?
You don't need to do this stuff to make people laugh.
Just because, because sometimes, here's, sometimes if you're not too careful, your reputation is what everybody else says your reputation is, and you stay loyal to what other people keep saying you are.
And that's a, you're in a, you're, you're arrested.
You're in a prison.
You're in a, what do you call it?
You're like a spider web that's got a hold of you.
And then it could be like, you're the clown, you're the fighter, you're the gangster, you're the, you're the thief, you're the bully, you're the this, you're the that.
And you're like, dude, that was when I was 18 years old.
That was when I was 32.
I'm 45 years old.
No, I'm not that anymore.
You know, that's when I was that.
And you have to find a way to not fall for that trap.
There's an audience that wants him to say this.
But who is that audience?
The 2%?
The 8%?
The 13%?
What about the other side that you need it?
No, one time, fine, means you're capable of losing your shit.
Means you're a human being.
Totally fine.
If this becomes the brand moving forward, I don't.
Trump said it a couple times on stage, and I like it when he said it a couple times.
Yeah, rarely.
I actually like it.
And he said it a couple times.
I just don't think it has to be consistent.
I hope it doesn't become consistent.
Yeah, I agree.
What I'm saying is, though, think about what was said about him.
I'm not going to lie to you, Pat.
I probably would have gone even worse.
But that's why you, you got to be careful though.
Because if you're trying to be a president, we can say, if that would have done it to me, I would have done such and such.
Okay.
Before having a daughter, my biggest fear was, what am I going to do when I have a daughter and a guy is going to hook up with my daughter and date my daughter?
And I'm sleeping at night and they're still at the movies.
And as a man, your creative mind is going where?
Yeah, of course.
Think about that, right?
Of course.
So first place you go to, I'm going to pull off a Will Smith and hey, you're going to come to the house.
He's going to be like, hey, you like man?
You ever been with men?
You want to?
Right.
You know, Will Smith comes out and is up with you.
You know, which movie is this, by the way?
Bad boys.
Bad boys.
Bad boys too, right?
Michael.
I'm going to have to have somebody come out there and do it.
You know, you're 17.
Yeah.
You're 30.
Yeah.
So are you going to, and then eventually you're like, well, if you raise them well, you show them love, you give them an example, and they get to choose.
They're going to have their heart broken at some point or another.
You have to kind of work with that, right?
But if you want to be that tough guy gangster beating everybody up for the rest of your life, your upside is limited.
So yes, I get what you're saying.
I understand it.
It's exciting.
But look at this.
That comment he said didn't go viral.
And look at this comment, 20 million.
You know why?
Because this made sense.
This made sense.
He didn't curse one time.
He didn't say anything.
This makes sense.
And people listen to it to the point where he's cornering DeSantis to end.
And he knows what DeSantis is going to say.
You understand what I'm saying?
He knows they're going to go to DeSantis and he's going to be asked that question.
And DeSantis is going to say no.
And MAGA's going to see it.
He knows what he's doing.
Do this.
He can outschool his peers staying in this mode, not in the other mode.
The other mode is temptation.
Again, I could be wrong.
It's my opinion.
That's all I'm saying.
If you see yourself as a leader amongst leaders, you have to pump the brakes when it comes down to certain approaches you take.
Kobe, what do you think?
Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, they're pulling nasty things out of their playbook, you know, the things that they're doing, taking him off a ballot for nothing he was ever even convicted of.
This is just, you know, not even a crime that he ever did.
And so this is, this is, this is terrible behavior.
So I think the gloves are coming off and there's no more fair fight.
We can't be nice.
We need to be stern.
We need to be, you know, upfront.
I mean, you look at Elon, the way he went after the guys that were pulling back all those funds off of X and he said, what'd he say?
Get the fuck out of here.
Go fuck yourself.
I'm okay with that.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm totally okay with that.
He's not running for a president.
That's the only difference.
It's different, you know.
So I do feel like you're probably right.
You know, when you're in that political position, running for a presidential position, like you still need to make Middle America happy.
And Middle America, you know, they don't want people cussing and doing those types of things because that's not a good example for their kids.
So yeah, there's ways that he could come across a lot stronger without having to say that.
So I do agree on that front.
But we also are not playing fair anymore.
They're not playing by the rules.
You know, they've always and they never will.
That's our job.
Let us do it.
You don't need to do that.
Okay.
You know, I was on whose show was that?
A guy asked me a question.
He says, You got advice for Trump.
What would you give him?
Like, you don't give advice to a guy like that.
You know, when you make it at that level, he's not taking, but he is a what-do-you-mean guy.
He takes a lot of it.
So Charlie Kirk asked me this question at the event.
Turning point U.S. when I'm doing this podcast last week.
I said, the only thing I would say is the following.
Here's what I would say.
When you're a boss, you're Lucky Luciano.
When you are, you know, Roger Godell, okay, of NFL, when you are Dana White, when you are go to the bosses, the boss amongst bosses, okay?
You're going to have more enemies than anybody else.
You're already dealing with your kid issues, your family issues, your personal health issues that nobody knows about.
Your marriage, you got so much other shit you're dealing with that no one knows about.
And you can't ever talk about that with anybody else because nobody gives a shit, quite frankly.
It's like, that's your problem.
Handle your problem.
But if you're going to be a boss amongst bosses, you will list out your enemies, 50 of them.
Trump's got thousands.
But let's just say you list out your top 50 enemies.
And you know what you do?
Here's what you do.
Guys, I'm going after one, two, three, four, five.
You're going after six, nine, fourteen, twenty-eight.
Patrick, you're going to go do this.
Benny, you're going to go do this.
And you're going to be like, dude, I got 28.
Matter of fact, I want 28, right?
Can't you wait?
No, no, no, no.
But the way this is, you're playing defense.
Dude, I want to freaking lock him up.
I want to guard him.
I got him, right?
Where sometimes Michael's like, no, no, no.
I'm locking him up.
Like the one wants to lock up the one, right?
All I'm saying is, that's our job.
You know, when I say our job, whoever's not running, you know, that's somebody else.
That's your job to go fight for a guy like that.
It's the office.
Elon Musk, what he did, freaking 10 out of 10.
Go.
Dana White, 10 out of 10.
Go, but they're not running for office.
That office is an office that was held by, you know, Lincoln's room.
All these other guys that have come before us.
There's a level of respect we have to have for those guys.
That's all I'm saying.
I love the fact that he's capable because when you know someone's capable, you can sit there and say, all right, that guy could cross the line next time.
Okay, I like a little capability, but you just need to be a little bit of work.
Again, that's my opinion.
Did you have a follow-up?
You look like you wanted to ask Kobe something.
Well, I think it's a perfect segue for you're talking enemies and who to attack and who not to attack.
I just, I want to know what happened with Masfidal because, I mean, I know you want to go, you know, fight Leon again.
John Jones, you've had some words with.
That's a bad man right there, Colby.
Dana White, Joe Rogan, you said you'd smack Rogan a little bit.
You got a lot going on.
Kobe Covington.
But Masfidol, I'm so intrigued because I'm a Miami guy.
I've seen that guy fighting for years.
Back in the Kimbo Slice days, I'm sure you know all about that.
You guys had your dust up, Poppy Steak.
Shout out to Groot Hospitality down there in Miami.
Those are my boys down there.
Obviously, everything happened there.
But what happened, bro?
You guys were friends.
You guys lived together.
You guys roomed together.
He said you slept on his couch for eight months.
I'm just using his words.
You guys were sort of BFFs.
He says you were his mentor.
And then, you know, one of you guys chose your enemy.
Speaking of choose your enemies wisely, now he says you're a sellout.
He called you a bitch.
He's saying all this shit.
You guys were on Stephen A. Smith.
You had the sunglasses on.
I'm too pretty.
These girls are going to fall in love.
What happened with Mosfido?
I beat him up.
I gave him the 50-43 in a soda.
It was the easiest fight in my career.
I can't believe they paid me what they paid me to beat that backstabbing bum up.
He's a backstabber.
He's a guy that, you know, as soon as I started rising up in the ranks, that's when it was an issue.
That's when his ego came in.
He's like, no, fuck you, Kobe.
I'd fight you for, I'd fight my mom for money.
So I'm for sure going to fight you.
We're going to fight one day.
And then he just, he just started throwing me under the bus for no reason.
Like he just started talking shit immediately when we weren't even scheduled to fight yet or even talking about fights.
And it's so crazy because like we lived together for like, you know, a couple years.
You know, I lived on his wife's couch, Maritza, the woman that he has two kids with that he doesn't pay child support to because he's a piece of shit, deadbeat dad, like I said.
So that's why he got offended because I hit the truth.
And he had whatever, he could do whatever he wanted to me in that UFC octane legally for 25 minutes.
He couldn't do shit.
That was the easiest fight.
I didn't even break a sweat in that fight.
I was laughing at the end of it.
He had two guys holding him up.
Come on, yeah.
Like just completely exhausted.
The guy's a bum.
So yeah, he had to come outside of that steakhouse in Miami Beach and he had to stalk me, sit in the bushes and come and hit me in the back of the head and then knock my tooth out because he hit me in the back of the head, concussed me.
He's a world-class fighter and he couldn't beat me legally.
So he had to do it illegally.
And he's a cheap shot artist.
How can you respect a scumbag like that?
Look at his past history.
He's stolen cars, arson.
Like the guy's a felon.
There's multiple things of him saying, you know, oh, fuck Colby in the MAGA movement back in the past, but now he's, you know, best friends with the MAGA and he thinks he's a represent representative of the Republicans.
So people see right through him.
He's a criminal.
He's a slimebag.
He's a backstabber.
He has an ego.
You know, most people in this sport, they have an ego.
They can't let their egos to the side.
I never had a problem with him.
He just started throwing me under the bus and he said, hey, I got to hate the people I fight.
So it is what it is.
Is he at the top of your list, of your enemies' list?
Like, is he the, if there's one guy you're like, dude, I don't even want to paycheck for this.
I'll fight for free.
Who's that?
Is he at the top of the list?
I mean, not really.
I've let all, you know, feelings and emotions go with that guy.
I could care less about him.
I've already handled my business in the UFC.
People saw in front of the world what I did to him.
You know, I played with him.
I was slapping him.
I was saying, who's your daddy, bitch?
In the fight?
In the fight.
Straight up.
In his ear, I was whispering.
He couldn't do anything.
I was whispering, letting him know, hey, I'm your big brother.
I'm your daddy.
Who's your daddy, George?
So I have nothing.
You know, he's, I'm levels above him, you know, in every sense of the word, you know, politically, spiritually, in the sports world.
Like, he's retired.
Why are we even talking about a guy that's not even at the top?
I'm still, you know, a top contender in the UFC and future champion in this division.
So now we're talking about a washed up scrub that, you know, had two seconds of fame.
He hit lightning in a bottle.
And then we're going to talk about him being a good fighter.
He's not a good fighter.
The guy has double-digit losses on his record.
His winning record, he's like a 50% winner.
He wins one fight, loses a fight, wins a fight.
We're talking about him?
Like, this guy's a fucking nobody.
So, you know, I've let all my emotions and feelings go with that guy because I have nothing else to prove to him.
You know, I've already proved that in the Octagon.
I exposed the piece of shit person he was.
He talks about he's MAGA, but he had an Obama phone for years.
Like, how do you believe in freedoms, but you're getting food stamps in an Obama phone and you're getting all these government-assisted handouts, but then you're going to preach against it?
Like, you stand for conservatism?
No, that doesn't make sense.
You're a hypocrite.
So, you know, people, he got exposed and I exposed him in front of the whole world.
And I've moved on from that.
It's bigger business and I got bigger fish to fry.
Kobe, who are your friends?
Who do you have as friends?
Who would you say?
Like, these are my friends, Dad.
We have each other's back.
Who would you say those are?
My best friend, you know, is a guy named Charlie Weiss.
You know, he's a sergeant of the Miami Beach Police Department.
The guy literally saved my life on stage last week, and people don't even realize this.
I got done doing my interview with Joe Rogan on Friday night after we weighed in.
It was our last face-off with Leon Scott before we were going to fight for the undisputed title the next day.
I get off and there were so many people on stage, so it was like very crowded.
So we were like towards the front where Joe Rogan was interviewing me.
And I get done with the interview.
I'm like, yeah, this one's for America.
And I was just like, the lights are so bright and all the people were screaming.
I go to walk off the stage and freaking Charlie grabs me on the back of my shirt.
My next step was going off the platform because you have to, we had to, like, I was going to go off the stage right here, but the stairs were over here.
I had to go over to the left.
No one was looking out for me.
No security, nobody.
Only Charlie.
And this is a guy that's a police officer that's, you know, fought for our army, that's been done towards, and he's an established guy.
Most people will be so caught up in that moment that they wouldn't even, they would have let me fall off.
I would have broke every bone in my body.
It was a nine feet freaking drop.
I had to go down 10 stairs.
Oh, damn.
Yeah.
So this is a guy who really cares about me, doesn't get caught up in the moments, truly watching my back at all times like a brother would.
And I consider this, you know, he's my best friend who I care about.
Who else in the UFC world?
Who else in the fighting world?
In the fighting world, you know, I don't have friends because, you know, I always said, you know, I'm not here to make friends.
I'm here to make money.
And that's what matters to me is financially changing my future and my family's future.
I've been able to do things for my family, get them things that they would have never been able to get otherwise.
So, you know, everybody's jealous of me.
They hate the way I do business, but they're not making the checks I'm making.
They're making basic pay, you know, and they'll be broke in a couple years.
I'm set for life.
Do you think that's the right approach?
Do you think you're taking the right approach with relationships?
What do you think?
Because to me, you know, I had a guy that I was doing business with.
I'll never forget what he told me in Atlanta one time.
He says, look, this is how I am, man.
I'm going to destroy everybody.
I'm going to hate on everybody.
I'm going to kill everybody.
And then years later, when I'm so far ahead from them, then I'm going to try to be friends with them.
I'm like, I don't know if that strategy is going to work because at the end of the day, when you're like even in the NBA, right?
Like my guy's Kobe.
Okay.
I've had Kobe on.
We've spent time together.
I just, I relate to Kobe.
Kobe went through a phase where as a villain, I mean, his nickname, right, Black Mamba, after all the stuff that happened with, you know, incidents, Colorado stuff that happens, this is how you guys want to do?
No problem.
And guess who gave him the name Black Mamba?
Himself, right?
It wasn't like others gave him the name.
No, I am the Black Mamba.
And then he put a whole persona around it.
Like, you know, Bosworth used to be the nicest guy.
I don't know if you've ever seen the Bosworth documentary.
If you've never seen it, I think you would really like it if you've not seen it.
Phenomenal documentary.
You ever seen a documentary?
Yeah, Brian Bosworth.
It's him and his son.
It's him and his son, and they're going through the old material.
And they're doing it when he's in his late 50s, early 50s type of thing.
It's actually, it's worth you watching it by yourself without anybody else around, right?
Okay.
And then all of a sudden, Kobe comes into the league.
And, you know, in the Olympics, he tells Carmelo Anthony and LeBron, if I come across the center and I see Paul Gasol is putting up a screen, I'm going to run right through him.
Have you ever seen this clip or no?
I've heard about it.
Okay.
He runs right through him as if he's tackling.
Can you show it for him, but not the audience?
So whoever's in the back, don't share the clip because I think it's we're going to get flagged.
But who's the player?
Who's the player?
You've never seen Kobe run through Paul Gasol in the Olympics?
By the way, they were teammates on the stage.
Oh, they're still teamers of the Lakers.
Oh, yeah.
And he runs through him.
Boom.
It looks like they could have given him a technical file, kicked him out of the game.
That's how bad it was.
Powell's on the ground is like, what was that all about?
And in Spain, If you can actually do this, instead of doing 2.0, go to 1.0, but just go to the clip.
Just fast forward a little bit to the clip.
Keep going, You're about to see it.
Right there.
It's coming up right there.
Back up three seconds.
Back up three seconds right there.
So watch this.
Powell screen Kobe.
Boom.
Oh, damn.
Drops him.
And he goes rocks.
And he told people he was going to do that, right?
Yeah.
Why?
Why?
Because did you see what he said right before that, though?
He goes, How close are you guys?
He's like, We're like brothers.
We're teammates.
They won an NBA championship together.
So the question says, I'm running right through his ass.
So the question is, you know, when you're in it and, you know, Michael had a relationship with Charles Oakley, he was friends with these guys, right?
Eventually, it becomes lonely when you're going through it, especially if the game you're in.
And the older you get, the more you value relationships.
Yeah, it's important to make money.
Of course.
Yeah, it's important to have a legacy.
Very important.
But you want to be able to sit there and have friends where you're talking shit to.
They can talk shit to you.
You can talk shit to them.
You're laughing.
You're talking about different things.
And they can reminisce and go through that.
Do you value that at all with people within the space that you've been competing in for all these years?
Not within the space because a lot of fighters are very small-minded.
They only did fighting because they had no other reason to make an outlet in their platform.
You know, these are the guys that were fighting in backyards, so they just decided to fight.
You don't see a lot of fighters that have, you know, very good degrees or have an education.
They're just all they know how to do is, oh, testosterone.
Let's fight.
You know, and that's never been me.
So my friend and my support group is outside the fighting circle.
I don't want to have friends in the fighting circle because the people in the fighting circle, their perspectives are completely different than mine.
They don't think the way I think.
They don't approach business the way I approach business.
So I don't really want to be friends with those.
And for me, I like to have a disconnect.
When I'm not fighting, I don't want to be thinking about fighting.
I want to talk about politics.
I want to talk about life.
I want to talk about the future because there's a reason that the windshield is bigger than the rearview meeter.
I don't want to talk about what happened yesterday or what happened in my title fight.
I want to talk about what's going to happen right here in the moments.
I get that.
And again, look, I'm 45.
So if I sit down and talk to a guy that's a billionaire and he's 65 and I want to see what he's going to give me feedback-wise, I'll entertain it.
And it's beneficial to talk to somebody like that, right?
Yeah.
So let's say maybe in your world, that would be a Daniel Cormier because whatever.
He's like ahead of you and he's one.
When I say ahead of you, age-wise, he's ahead of you in, you know, I don't know how old Daniel is.
I'm going to say he's 42.
No, 43, 44.
Okay, can you just say?
He fought Stepe when he was 41 for this.
Okay, so he's 44 years old.
So, you know, when I see the relationship with, you know, Cormier, I see him with Rogan.
I see him with Jan.
I see him with these guys that are sitting there.
You're seeing some of these fighters later on.
They're friends and they're hanging out together and all this stuff.
This is a phase of your career, right?
So snipers sometimes, they're loners in the military.
You know, the sniper might say they don't have friends.
Yeah.
But even a sniper's got a guy laying next to him to saying, hey, go do this way.
Go do this.
Go do that.
Go do that.
Go do this.
You don't process that at all where, you know, because, dude, you haven't been one of the guys that fought.
You're one of the main guys that we've, you know, like that's been in this space that's brought a lot of eyeballs to it.
You're not just another UFC fighter.
You know, I know you don't think about that yourself.
I'm just telling you as a fan side, you're not just another UFC fighter.
You're like one of the main names of this brand, right?
That, you know, all these different Avengers are coming up and different villains and all these roles that they play.
But even inside of a villain, man, he's got a heart.
You know, the villain is sitting there saying, man, you know, relationships, some of these guys I've gone to battle with, I wouldn't mind, you know, maybe sitting down and chopping it up with some of these guys.
Yeah, you did some shit.
I got my stuff on my, you know, because you don't walk on water.
I don't walk on water.
The other person doesn't walk on water.
So we can sit here and talk shit to each other.
But just as much as you know, their dirt, they're probably no, I don't know your dirt because I'm not in your world, right?
But in my world, when we're competing, everybody knows each other's dirt.
Everybody knows, like, what are you talking about?
You want me to bring up that story from 2004 and what you did?
Like, what are you talking about?
Remember that one time you did this?
There's got to be that element as well.
You don't see the benefit of having any friendships with any of these guys?
No, I mean, I have one friendship.
I was mistaken.
You know, the guy that got me into mixed martial arts, a guy by the name of Chal P. Sonan.
That's my mentor in the MMA space.
That's my friend in the MMA space.
I've gotten a lot of advice from him over the years.
Very cool.
He got me into fighting originally.
He was getting ready for the Anderson Silva fights, and he came to my college, Oregon State University.
He's like, Kobe, I want to wrestle with you, get your pressure pace, and I want you to help train me for Anderson Silva.
So that was when I got to sit down with him and understand more to this business.
It just wasn't just about fighting.
There was more.
You need to entertain.
It's just show business.
So, you know, Chao's done a lot for me.
I still get a lot of advice from him and talk with him on the phone regularly today.
Besides that, my support system consists of doctors, dentists, lawyers, police officers, military personnel.
Those are my friends.
Another one of my best friends, Stephen Hodgson, he was in the 82nd Airborne Unit for the Army Rangers.
Now he's with the Golden Knights in the Army.
So, you know, these are the people that I look up to.
Charlie Weiss at the Miami Beach Police Station, Kirk Weiss.
He's a top lawyer for Chick-fil-A.
He's one of the top lawyers in the world in Miami.
And Ritter and Ramsey, the dentist up in Jupiter, who did my teeth.
These are the type of people that are successful, that understand business and more than just fighting.
And that's what I want.
I want disconnect from this fighting world.
And I want to have friends like you, that are bigger than larger than life.
Were you closer grown up to Pops or mom?
I was a mama's boy for sure.
You were mama's boy, but close to both.
Close to both.
My dad got me in wrestling.
Did anybody hardcore, and I'm not asking for a name, but did anybody hardcore ever backstab you or betray you where you're like, you know, you're like Tupac, don't trust no one?
Did that ever happen or no?
That's not at all the case.
Oh, yeah, that's happened a couple of times.
Okay.
And was there one that was above everything where you made a personal truth to yourself?
Dude, this is it.
My loyalty is only to these people and no one else gets into that circle.
And if you do, it's going to take a lot.
Was that kind of like a moment that you had?
Yeah.
It was about the fighter that he brought up earlier.
And I'm not going to say his name anymore because I'm over it.
But that was what really was the eye-opener.
Someone who I thought was my best friend, who I live with, and was so close, but he was willing to throw me under the bus because he cared about his personal gain and fame and money more than he cared about his relationship.
And that's between you guys.
I don't want to beat a dead horse.
It's just I wanted to understand you better because I enjoy watching you.
I enjoy watching you fight and I've enjoyed what you've done.
And I wanted to get a better understanding about why you play this villain role, bro.
I wanted to see why you play this person.
I don't play the villain role.
I'm just myself.
I turn it up to 11.
I don't care what people think of me.
People can have their own opinion.
I respect everybody's opinion in America.
And that's what makes this country so beautiful is that we can all have descending and different opinions, but we don't all have to think the same exact thing all the time.
So, you know, I respect everybody's opinion.
They're entitled to it.
I'm not going to shame you or throw you under the bus because you have a different opinion than me.
I want you to have your own opinion.
I want you to think for yourself.
I think that's fair.
And you're February 22nd, right?
Are you 22nd?
Yeah.
February 22nd.
Interesting, man.
Very interesting.
Short memory.
Very interesting guy.
Very, very interesting.
What can he say about him?
Because he's obviously one of the best shit talkers of all time.
He started it.
Didn't he call him?
He was the initial guy.
That guy, that's our Oregon gangster, the Westland gangster, man.
You don't want to mess with that guy.
You walk around the streets of Westland, Oregon, man.
People don't realize how tough he had it, man.
That guy's a gangster.
There were some years back 20 years ago when his parents only made $100,000 a year.
Could you imagine having to live off $100,000 20 years ago?
You're saying that he had an easy upbringing?
Is that what you're saying?
I'm saying he had a tough upbringing, man.
That's tough, man.
That's 100,000.
That's poverty.
100K.
That's poverty.
Who in your eyes?
Who's the best shit talker in the UFC?
Do you have like a list?
If you would say top five, who would be on that list?
Top five.
You know, I like Sean O'Malley.
He's got great shit talking these days.
Besides that, everybody's just, they don't want to open up.
They don't want to be judged.
They want everybody to look at them in a sympathetic role like they're the good guy.
No one wants to step out and be a bad guy and expose the truth.
But, you know, the truth is what always hurts and stings the worst of these fighters.
Not so much the best shit talker.
Not so much, you know, we've asked the hardest puncher, hardest guy.
I want to know like swag, like game, like the biggest pimp type dude.
Like, I mean, Usman showed up the other day.
He was chilling.
You got some game.
You're talking about fashion.
Just like, you know, they say a man's man and also, you know, guy that most guys want to be like, but girls want to sleep with that kind of dude.
He's swagged out.
He's a pimp, like ladies' man, all that.
He dresses well, looks good.
Who would you put on like the best game kind of a thing, right?
Like swag type vibes.
Swag?
I mean, definitely Connor.
He's done some great things.
You know, he's one of the biggest fighters of all time, if not the biggest.
And, you know, he kind of changed the game.
You know, he brought in so many fans that never watched UFC before.
So that's that's there's casual fans and then there's hardcore fans.
You know, if you can, he brought in all the casuals.
So he's got that swag.
He's done some great things and he might be a future prime minister.
I think he could do some good things for Ireland.
You see the people rotting and burning in the streets and he's not okay with that.
You know, he wants those borders secure, just like we need our borders secure here in America because if you don't know who's coming in, I mean, like, that's what's causing all these crime rates to go up.
That's what's causing hundreds of thousands of kids to die from fentanyl every year because these drug lords are coming in.
So we need to monitor our borders and keep our people free and safe.
What's your relationship with Connor?
No relationship.
You know, I respect his body of work.
I think he's done some great things in the space.
You know, he's, you know, the things he did were unmatchable.
Knocking out Jose Aldo in seven seconds.
You're not ever going to see someone do that in a title fight ever again.
So, you know, my relationship with him is just I respect him.
And he's a great fighter.
He's done some great things in the sport.
And, you know, I think he's going to go on to do better things in politics for Ireland.
Really?
I would be the most angry.
I would love the minister.
I might move the Ireland.
Okay.
Imagine his press conference.
Oh, my God.
Hey, what the fuck?
What the fuck?
Are you doing he could say that and get away with it all day long because he's his brand?
They would love him, right?
Yeah, of course.
That's so funny.
Because I wanted to ask him if it's okay with you.
You were talking about, is that, do you think, Colby, that one of the main issues, because I believe in it, that one of the main issues that we're dealing with in the Biden administration with Mayorkas, the Homeland Security horrible, horrible little rat.
Do you think that's one of our main, if not the main issue?
Because I don't know if you saw Governor Abbott of Texas on Monday signed the bill that makes entering Texas illegal, which thank God for him.
And it allows police to arrest illegals coming into the state because apparently Homeland Security is not doing nothing.
The Border Patrol isn't doing nothing.
In November, did you know this?
200,000 illegals have come in.
It's up 2% from the month previous.
And think about it.
They're not saying nothing, Kobe, because all those people are coming in are future votes.
A lot of these kids have become slaves, trafficked, sex, all that shit.
And did you see this?
Stephen A. Smith made a video.
And mind you, if they're not doing it and people are just running over the border, good.
Let the police stop people and check them out.
Stephen A. Smith made a video how he's condemning what Abbott did.
If you could play that, maybe play the first minute, Rob.
Go ahead, play.
Play the first minute.
And go to the beginning of it, Rob, because, yeah, go ahead.
Greg Abbott, you ever heard of him?
Yes.
He's the governor for the state of Texas.
Come on, Stephen.
There's a fake fire behind you, Steve.
That governor, Governor Abbott, signed a bill into law that will allow the police to arrest migrants into the U.S. illegally.
Illegal.
This law takes a clip in the middle.
I'm curious.
I just want to read that.
So, my English, English, my fifth language.
I need your husband.
I got you.
Texas bill makes illegal migration a state crime.
Isn't illegal immigration a crime already?
What are we talking about?
What are we talking about?
He has it in the name.
Let him play illegal.
I love Stephen A.
I love him too.
I love Stephen A.
I just talked to him.
Let's hear him out.
Yeah, that's right.
I've seen him.
I just talked to him three days ago.
He's like, Kobe, I don't agree with your politics, but I agree with what you stand for and I respect you for your body of work.
But, you know, come on, dude.
Everybody knows he's employed by ESPN.
They're the biggest, wokest company of them at Disney.
So, you know, of course he's got to say that because if he doesn't, then his checks aren't going to get signed.
So he's just doing that.
He doesn't really believe that.
He's just doing that to appease his, you know.
I agree.
What does he say here?
Well, look, he just says, so that makes.
You know, he called it racist.
He says it's racist.
He says Governor Abbott is racist.
And he goes, he's racist.
It's a racist thing.
You nailed it.
Well, I mean, the video is five minutes long, but I'll break it down.
He says it's racist.
And he's like, so that means if a cop sees a Latin-looking person, they can go and grab him.
Like Stephen A. Smith, stick to sports, bro, because you know what?
He's from New York.
I'm from New York.
Go to New York and ask New Yorkers how they feel about all these illegals that are just bussed over there and flown over there and how it's going.
Go ask Eric Adams, how is it going?
Because Texas can't, dude, have you been?
Have you seen the border?
Have you seen what's happening?
And it's like, nobody cares.
And I'm tired of this.
It's racist.
Can you pull up the clip of the border?
Because it was a record-breaking day yesterday.
You know how many people yesterday?
12,500.
Wow.
12,500 in a single day crossed the border.
And by the way, you know what that is times 365?
Record-breaking four and a half minutes.
It was a record-breaking day yesterday, and we did nothing.
Four and a half million a year if they allowed.
They were interviewing who was coming across.
Look at that.
That's that real?
Yeah, that's real.
This is yesterday?
That's not, that's, this is not a, what do you call it?
It's a soccer game, and somebody wants to play soccer again.
No.
And oh, and then, and before you go, and here's my point.
And this is, this really bothered me, Rob, and I sent the clip to Rob.
They don't give a shit who's coming in and what's happening.
Rob, I saw a video that really pissed me off.
There's some guys from Guatemala.
They're coming over the border, and another Latin guy stops them and questions them about the kid who looks like he's drugged.
Play this video.
Look, they don't even know.
That's not their kid.
Watch.
Can you put the volume up?
What?
Watch this.
Wake him up.
Wake him up.
Look.
That kid's.
Look.
Look.
He was sleeping.
This mother Papa, established what year?
Doesn't know the year of the kid.
That is his kid, that's not his kid, and the kid's one years old.
Okay, and then here's my point.
And then another one, this guy, this is what we're dealing with.
This is one case, Adam.
And then Rob has another video.
Now in Texas Valley Airport, the now there's there's underage migrants coming in.
Look at how they're all in cahoots with Border Patrol watch this moving these kids to what you guys got paperwork for these kids.
Don't worry about it.
You know a third of these kids go missing.
Look at this dog.
You guys know anything about this.
Look about these guys to the airport.
Look straight up, America, it's America.
That's not America.
Yo, that's America.
You can stop it, Rob.
And so my point is, Adam, get it.
What's going on here?
So these kids are coming in with and with these, these sponsors just coming in?
No, just they're.
And where are these kids going?
There's no spot.
They're gonna be put in.
They're gonna house them.
They're gonna house them money, while we're veterans and rot in the streets and when they disappear, nobody's keeping track of the lost kids.
And this is just one case.
And the guy, the Border Patrol's like yeah, just yeah.
That's how we're gonna add something to to what you're saying.
So you know, we were just at turning point, Usa.
We interviewed James O'keef, our buddy.
Shout out to you James yeah uh, he threw a party the next night.
We we missed it, but we'll do it again soon but him and my friend, Ashley St. Clair, who was also there.
They broke one of the biggest stories yesterday.
They had a massive uh Twitter, uh X space yesterday about what's going on at the Phoenix airport where um, they saw these uh migrants being bussed in right.
They got dropped off at the airport by James was going in on it by black limo service weird, right here, it is right here by, like you know, VIP type buses and he basically starts asking, what's going on here?
Where are these guys going?
What's going on?
They all end up going to the airport.
They're all flying to New York.
Ashley was flying from New York, from Phoenix to New York.
It was a whole thing, migrants on the plane, they're getting taken from the border, black limo service getting sent to these sanctuary cities.
This is New York.
And then, on twitter last night or x, they had all the pilots.
Basically half of them had to disguise their voice yeah, and they're like just what's going on?
You know, just get to the point here.
They're like dude, where are the pilots of these planes?
And like we don't know who the hell these people are.
We don't know, we don't know what's going on.
You know what they use, as I d they don't even have id their arrest records.
So there's basic people that are just basically saying, maybe go to Ashley Saint Care Sinclair's uh, on um, you play her video, um.
The people just basically like, guys, what's going on here?
You know what's going on.
Open borders yeah, just flying them across the country, busting them here, Sanctuary City there, this is Ashley right here, if you, Migrants who are also boarding this flight that the U.S. Taxpayers are paying For.
This is what the U.S. taxpayers are paying for right here.
Premium seats on Delta that they have people coming here.
We're paying for this, shipping them out to New York City because guess what?
Everywhere else is at capacity.
So they have these sanctuary cities like New York that they're now shipping these migrants to that we're all paying for.
Why though?
I'm going to go off because I've said this before too.
It's first, I think it's votes all over the place, but when you're not keeping track, there's no ID when they're young and they're whatever.
A, they're going to be used for cheap ass labor.
And I'm going to be honest with you, sex trafficking and all that, it's a constant influx.
And that's why the left is like, no, we're humanitarians.
Let them in.
No, You have to keep the supply open.
There's no other excuse.
Give me another excuse.
Give me one.
Why do you think?
Come on, dude.
I mean, he's definitely on to something with the sex trafficking.
You know, if you saw that movie, Sound of Freedom, it showed all the nasty, vile things that are happening to these kids.
And, you know, obviously we all know about Epstein Island.
All these left elites were flying to this island regularly to be with little kids.
So, you know, they're about to release those flight logs and a lot of people are going to be exposed.
So I think that's there's a legit pedophile ring in DC.
And, you know, why not get little migrants from all around the world that they can just abuse?
You know what's going to happen, though?
Whoever gets elected next, there's going to be deporting going on.
Like the amount of people that came illegally, the conversation is about what are you going to do to deport guys.
They're openly having conversations right now about that.
And FYI, like, if you lose Texas, I understand strategically if you're allowing these people into Texas, because that makes sense.
Because you got to turn Texas blue.
Texas is the biggest pain in the ass for liberals.
Oh, yeah.
Totally get it.
And it's deep red.
Now it's purple.
No, now it's purple.
Yes.
Now it's purple.
And by the way, he says you lose Texas.
That's what, 30 years of crazy votes?
Texas becomes purple and Florida becomes red, which is kind of weird.
You know, not fully red, but in the way of being red, right?
But why would you move them to New York?
It's not like New York needs more liberals there.
What are you doing moving them to New York?
You're not winning anything with that.
So strategically, I understand Arizona.
Fine.
I get it.
You have some annoying people that are there for the left.
They can't stand a Cary Lake.
I understand Texas.
Yeah, totally get it.
You want to get rid of what Abbott is doing and what some of the other guys.
But moving them to Blue Cities?
Intention?
Don't know.
And they're not saying nothing about it.
It's just happening.
Isn't that weird?
Nothing about it.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, look, again, this will be more of a reason because there are certain issues, Vinny, that unifies the entire party.
For example, not the entire party, the entire country.
You may be pro-life, okay?
And she may be pro-choice, right?
And whatever.
You can make the argument for pro-life, pro-choice.
You know what the midterm showed last year?
Majority of America are pro-choice.
You be pro-life all you want.
Midterm showed, majority of America is pro-choice.
So guess what, Republicans?
You screwed up, okay?
Oh, shit.
Okay, we paid a price.
Should have been a red wave, didn't get a red wave.
Now, liberals may be saying, oh, I bet everybody wants more people to come down the border.
No, even Democrats living in those cities raising kids don't want open borders.
Okay?
That's the part where America is against open borders.
Hey, everybody should be okay with us teaching LGBTQ stuff in school.
No, not everybody is.
Parents are on the same side with this.
2024 election, if there's no gamesmanship and no manipulation, it's going to be a landslide if there's no gamesmanship.
The only way there won't be a landslide is because there's gamesmanship.
Because the entire America doesn't stand for this stuff.
Dems don't stand for this stuff.
The people on the left don't stand for this.
John Fetterman.
That's what I'm talking about.
Yeah, I'm not a progressive.
Yeah, I'm at the insurance.
We're having dinner.
You know who was at the dinner at the main table.
Don't say the names, but you know who was sitting at the table with you and I, right?
At the diplomat.
You're sitting there.
At the diplomat.
At the prime.
So we're sitting there, okay?
One of the guys sitting next to him, he's a very good friend of mine.
Love this guy, but he's a liberal.
He can't stand Trump.
Cannot stand Trump, right?
He's a liberal.
And he went to all the right schools, okay?
He has all the right GPAs.
When I say right schools, I mean like the Ivy League type of schools, like all that stuff, right?
And he, guess where he lives?
He lives in Greenwich, Connecticut, you know, Moses Palace, Sag Harbor, like that kind of stuff.
And he's saying, look, man, I'm not going to lie to you, what the way the liberal, the left is handling the Jewish community, I don't know.
It's making me want to consider voting the other side for the first time in my life.
There's so many dumb strategies that the left is playing that they think they 100% have loyalty of everybody on the left, and they don't.
I'm convinced they don't.
And I think they're going to show it at 2024.
I believe that.
But again, we'll see.
And they're going to play all these games.
They're going to play.
It is what it is.
Kobe, it's been a bless having you on, man.
Thanks.
Really?
Really enjoy talking to you.
Appreciate you for coming on.
Appreciate you having me.
And gang, we're not doing any podcasts.
Today is what, the 21st?
The next time we do another podcast will be in 2024.
No, PVD.
Yes.
I want to wish all you guys a Merry Christmas, a Happy New Year, and may 2024 be the beginning of the greatest years of your life.
