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PBD Podcast Episode 227. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Dennis Prager, Adam Sosnick and Tom Ellsworth.
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8:44- Dennis Prager slams Prince Harry for humiliating his family in his new book
12:01- Dennis Prager gives the biggest threats society faces today
21:32- Why fatherlessness Is destroying our country
42:00- Dennis Prager exposes the college system
46:06 - Dennis Prager gives his best advice for parenting
1:00:05 - Have we reached the peak of the "woke" movement?
1:13:40- Reaction to Kanye West’s anti-semtic comments
1:24:39 - Reaction to Joe Biden’s classified files
1:41:36 - Will Trump Have A Chance In The 2024 Election?
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All right, all right, all right.
Episode 227 with the man, the myth, the legend, Dennis Prager.
If you don't know who he is, whatever you do, go study this man, his philosophies, his teachings.
If you do know who he is, you must be fired up about today's podcast.
Dennis, thank you for coming on.
It's always good to be with you.
And this is the first time I'm in your studio.
Yes.
You've been to my home.
Yes, I've been to your home.
And I remember when I had a show with KKLA, I want to say, Saving America.
You were on KRL.
Obviously, you ran the whole thing.
You were there all the time.
I came in one time and met you 2010.
They said, that's the great Dennis Prager.
They said that?
The great Dennis Prager.
Yes.
Well, they're paid to say it.
Have you lived up to it, though?
That's the thing.
Have you lived up to it the last 13 years?
Only others can judge that.
But I aspire to doing good things since high school.
I wrote in my high school diary, and this will sound corny, but I'll risk it.
I know exactly what I want to do with my life, influence people to the good.
How did you know that then early on?
There is no answer to that question.
But I learned something interesting from my older son when he was about 18, 19 years old.
And he said to me, he said, Dad, you have to understand you are very lucky.
And I said, I know I am, but what are you referring to?
He said, you knew so at such a young age what you wanted to do with your life.
He said, most people don't.
And it's one of the great things of having children.
It roots you in reality.
And I realized, wow, I don't know why I knew that at such a young age, but I'm living out what I wrote in my diary.
How do you not know that, though?
Like, you couldn't say like a person you saw speak or a smell of a book or a nothing.
The only thing I can tell you is I always hated evil.
I am the living embodiment of my favorite biblical verse.
Those of you who love God must hate evil.
I love it because if you don't hate evil, you don't love God.
And a lot of believers in God need to hear that.
So I always hated evil.
And I realized in high school that I could touch people, not in some mystical sense, but I could touch their mind or their heart, that I had a gift of clarity.
I mean, since you're asking, I feel funny talking about me, but I guess I'm your guest.
It's somewhat expected.
So it's actually cute and almost funny.
So my father was a CPA, a certified public accountant, and we lived in Brooklyn, New York.
He had his office in Manhattan.
But on Sundays, he worked at home in his home office in a finished basement we had in Brooklyn.
And some of his clients, you know, middle-aged men, would come an hour early to talk to me.
So I said to one of them, I don't understand.
Why do you, I'm 15.
Why do you come to talk to me?
And the guy just looked at me and said, you're very interesting.
And you don't know, there's really no way to know yourself without input from others because others are a mirror.
How do you know what you look like?
You can't just do it by feeling your face.
So old soul type of a thing?
Yeah.
Was it old philosophies?
Yeah.
Both of them.
Got it.
But I was an old soul in a very kid-like personality, which that also has never left me.
Is there videos of you at that age or no?
No, no, because there were no video.
I wish, believe me, there are a handful of pictures.
So your dad never went on Instagram and recorded anything.
That's a fair statement.
How disappointing.
That's a fair statement.
How disappointing.
Correct.
Were you a guy that when you, as an old soul, I'm assuming it's very hard to date younger girls, you were dating women older than you?
No, I always women my age, but you're entirely right.
That was something I almost gave up on in my 20s.
I didn't marry until 32.
And this is no knock on the women of my age, but I'll tell you this.
You'll love the story.
So I was at a bar.
I don't even drink, but I was at some bar for whatever reason.
And it was a cute girl.
And I chatted her up, as the Brits say, and I felt I was making some progress.
And then I really thought I was going to make progress.
She says, what do you do?
And I said, oh, I go around the country giving lectures, which I thought at 25 is pretty damn impressive, right?
And she goes, naturally, what do you speak on?
And when I tell you what I answered, I'm laughing at me.
I said, ethical monotheism.
Very sexy.
Yeah, that's right.
It's like the anti-very sexy.
There's very sexy here.
And in the book of opposites is ethical monotheism.
So that was the last time I actually said ethical monotheism.
Well, to the type of girls that like big words, that could have really gone in the right direction.
Apparently she did not.
Yeah, apparently she did not.
She probably thought, as one woman did, another, well, this was a middle-aged woman.
I wasn't trying to pick her up, but I was flying to a speech.
I think it was Kentucky, actually.
And she said, oh, what brings you to Louisville?
And I go, I'm giving a speech.
Oh, on what?
And I said, monotheism.
Because I dropped the ethical.
And she goes, oh, let me tell you about my rheumatism.
So it was not a successful answer.
Yeah.
Did you play it up?
Because one time I'm telling this girl at a club in Nashville, Tennessee, and she says, so, you know, what nationality are you?
I said, I'm Assyrian.
She said, oh, you're Sicilian.
I said, honestly, moving forward, I'm sick of explaining what Assyrians are.
I said, you're right.
I am Sicilian.
It's a lot easier.
Yes, I should have seen it.
I became Viny.
I'm a doctor.
Tell me about your rheumatism.
You're right.
I should have followed your pattern.
You should have played again.
Anyway, so here's what I want to do with the limited time that we got here today.
I got a few topics I want to go through with you.
One is Kanye, with what happened with him.
Obviously, it's nothing that's relevant today, but I want to know how you viewed what he said, some of the criticism that he had and what caused him to lose his brand, the billions of dollars.
Tate, an aspect of Tate I want to talk to you about.
There was, I don't know if you saw this one guy named, it's just a regular guy named Joe.
He was driving his Corvette.
He was backing up into his garage, and they found some declassified documents in his garage.
We're going to talk about this guy named Joe, if you're following his story or not.
He had a pretty important job.
And then a couple other things that we have is around fatherlessness stats.
So I would like to start off with.
By the way, I have no thoughts on the Tate issue.
I'll tell you in advance.
It's actually not a Tate question.
Oh, okay.
It's not a Tate question.
No, by the way, just let me explain why, because just so people have a better sense.
I don't find the people who are in the news for two weeks interesting.
I have never followed the most popular issue of the day, almost never.
Not on my 40 years of broadcasting.
I'm the big picture guy, and people get caught up.
For example, Harry and Megan, I've devoted about 10 minutes to them and all 10 negative.
I thought you watched the whole documentary and you followed it all.
Unimpressed with that couple.
To badmouth your family, forget whether they're the royals.
Just to go to the world to badmouth your family.
I mean, who doesn't have issues with family?
But to use them as some sort of prop to make an impression and sell a vast number of books, these are, they strike me as just empty children.
I feel bad for the royal family.
I mean, you know, to be honest, his brother has class.
I love class.
I love dignity.
It's like one brother has dignity and one brother has no dignity.
Anyway, I got that out of my system.
And by the way, just out of curiosity, how much of that is on him of them embarrassing the family?
How much of them is on the wife?
You know the whole thing.
That's unknowable.
But, you know, if it's to the extent that it's on the wife, doesn't speak much for his strength as a man.
I agree.
One of the definitions of masculinity is to be not intimidated by women.
I hold that to be a defining element.
That doesn't mean, God forbid you mistreat women.
One has nothing to do with the other.
And I mean, God forbid you.
But to be intimidated by women means you're not masculine.
How did you learn that?
That's a great question.
How did I learn that?
Like that's a book somewhere.
No, no.
Learned by your experience.
Back here, I feel funny, but back to me and my brain.
I'm an observer of the human condition.
One of the aims I had, I had so many aims as a kid.
One of them was to understand life.
If you had to give one word to say what I do, I explain.
I try to explain life to people.
I try to explain why America is in the terrible position that it is today, the freest country in the world, half of whose citizens don't value free speech, the most important freedom of all.
I always ask why.
And people use terms like masculine, and I value masculinity and femininity, and I believe there are only two sexes.
No, no, no.
I take that back.
I know there are only two sexes.
I fell into a trap saying, I believe there are only two sexes.
We got you.
I got me.
So you're he, him?
I am.
But it wasn't assigned.
It was assigned to me by nature, by biology, and by God in whatever order you wish to choose.
Dennis, let me go back to something you said.
You know, we'll get into this stats here in a minute.
And Rob, I know I got to do the sponsor.
I'll do the sponsorship in about five minutes.
But you said something earlier.
You said, ever since I was a kid, I wanted to fight evil.
You can stay on that link so I can remember it.
You said ever since I was a kid, I wanted to fight evil.
That's what you said.
That's right.
Okay, so, you know, evil, if you're 15, you know, that's a few decades ago.
How different was evil then than it is today?
So evil then is what year?
That's what year were you 15?
So it was the late 60s.
Okay, so late 60s.
What was evil in the late 60s?
And what have you seen, the evolution of evil from then to today?
Evil is fairly consistent.
Communism is evil.
Nazism is evil.
Islamism, not Islam.
Islamism is evil.
Where you deliberately hurt other human beings is evil.
I've never found that a complex subject.
And if people are not clear that the three things I mentioned are evil, there is something wrong with their moral compass.
It's broken.
I mean, if you can't acknowledge how evil.
But the truth is the ignorance.
I'll tell you, there's only one difference to answer your question between then and now.
You say to a kid in high school, Auschwitz or Gulag, he doesn't know what the hell you're talking about.
That's really, that borders on evil.
Not to teach young people about the greatest evils just of the last century and to a great extent of all of history, Gulag and Auschwitz, is a crime.
They know preferred pronouns.
They're taught to be basically idiots.
That's what, look, non-impressive people are teaching people to be non-impressive.
That is the state of American education in one sentence.
Non-impressive people are teaching people to be non-impressive.
Yes.
So you're saying evil's been evil for the last however many, forever.
Since humans.
Well, but let me ask you this.
Let me, let me.
Maybe I want to get a little bit, extract a little bit more out of you on this topic.
So you know how this new Chat GPT comes out?
Oh my God, look what it's doing.
People are using it as customer service, but it's only 1.0.
Wait till 2.0, 3.0, 5.0, 7.0.
Or iOS, I don't know what version we're on right now, 16 or 15.
Hey, the new operating system is 16.0.
It's better than what it was at 8.0, 3.0.
Is the evil 49.0 today?
Has it evolved into even stronger ways to divide, to manipulate, to pin parents against kids, husbands against wives, men against women?
Has it evolved to be stronger today or has the strength been the same forever?
Men have gotten weaker?
There are new, relatively new phenomena.
The general evil is the same evil as it's always been.
What the Chinese Communist Party and the North Korean Communist Party does to its people, what Putin is doing in Ukraine.
I mean, these are evils.
Totalitarianism is a modern evil.
You need mass communication and mass police and mass technology to have totalitarianism.
But otherwise, but what is new in America is for I'll give you a relatively new evil.
The vast number of adult children who do not speak to parents because they differ with the parents' conservatism.
This is new.
It was unheard of in the past that you stopped talking to your parent because of how they voted.
And I consider that evil.
That's what I mean.
New evil.
That's a new evil.
What else is new evil?
Well, in America, this is not a new evil in the world, but in America, the suppression of free speech, the amount of censorship is brand new.
America, Woodrow Wilson flirted with it, but outside of the Woodrow Wilson era, we have never had a suppression of free speech.
That was the one thing every American agreed with.
45% of young Americans, according to Pew, which I tend to trust, say the following.
I believe in free speech except for hate speech.
And they don't realize, because they've not been taught to think logically.
They don't realize that that's an oxymoron.
It's a self-contradictory statement.
If you don't believe in free speech for hate speech, you don't believe in free speech.
What do you believe in free speech for?
Only speech you agree with.
Everything else is hate speech.
This is what the left has taught them.
And the left has never, from Vladimir Lenin to Columbia University, the left has never allowed dissent.
And there's a reason.
If there's dissent, there's no left.
If there's dissent, there's no left.
Correct.
They cannot.
That's why they shut down conservative speakers.
Four years of left-wing indoctrination at the average university is not enough.
They know one conservative, eloquent speaker in an hour and a half can undo four years of the lies that they're told of America being systemically racist, of there being more than two sexes, etc.
That's why they don't want us on their campus.
Conservatives never gave a damn if a liberal came to a campus.
They invited them.
Jerry Falwell invited Ted Kennedy to Liberty University.
I am a conservative.
I ache to have, I have offered money to any left-wing New York Times columnist, which means any one of the 99% who are left-wing, to debate.
I've offered $10,000 plus any money that they would raise for admission.
And they could pick the venue.
They could pick the moderator.
And I would still do it.
They don't do it.
They don't debate.
They smear.
I want a 6-herb, sexist, intolerant, xenophobic, homophobic, islamophobic, racist, bigoted.
I had to make an acronym because it's in a lot of terms.
They can't stand up and tell you there are more than two sexes.
Are there more than two sexes in kangaroos, in penguins?
But all of a sudden you reach the human species and there are more than two sexes?
56 if you sign up for Facebook?
56?
We're living in the age of the absurd, of the total absurd.
And by the way, I have a reason for that.
Secularism.
The post-Judeo-Christian world produces only idiocy.
No religious person says there are more than two sexes.
The only people who say there are more than two sexes, the only people who say men give birth are secular.
Secularism produces morons.
Not every secular person is a moron, of course not.
But every secular institution is moronic.
And the most secular institution is the university.
And that's where all the moronic ideas originate.
How do they keep making so much advancement?
How are concepts that literally make no sense create this kind of momentum?
There was an answer given by G.K. Chesterton, or it's at least attributed to him, late 19th century, early 20th century British thinker.
When people stop believing in God, they don't believe in nothing.
They believe in anything.
That's the answer to your question.
People don't, even secular conservatives don't agree with me.
They think secularism is a blessing.
It's only a blessing in government.
It is not a blessing in society.
Separation of church and state you're referring to, I assume.
Basically, yeah.
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So here's a question for you for fatherlessness stats.
I saw this the other day, and I speak on this a lot.
And I think a part of what's going on today with the momentum of Tate and with the momentum of, you know, what you've been speaking about with Prager University on the role family nucleus, you're seeing this being talked about everywhere.
I see the stat, and I want to know how we got here and how we need to fix this.
Okay, so here are the stats.
The U.S. has the highest rate of children living in single-parent households of any nation.
About 80% of single-parent homes are led by single mothers.
At a rate of 20%, 23% of children living with one parent and no other adult.
The United States is three times the world average of 7%.
So 23% is U.S., 7% is world average.
China is 3%.
India is 4%.
Okay.
Where a mom isn't there or a dad isn't there.
Even for children with a father present in the home, the average school age boy only spends about 30 minutes per week in one-on-one conversations with his father.
For comparison, the same boy on average will spend about 44 hours per week watching television, playing video games, and surfing the internet.
90% of all homelessness and runaway children, 63% of teen suicides, 85% of children and teens with behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
Fatherlessness likewise has a direct link to teen pregnancy and sexual activity.
Roughly 70% of teenage pregnancies come from women raised in fatherless homes.
And these times, these same women have significantly higher abortion rates than women raised by both a father and a mother.
On the whole, fatherless kids are 20 times more likely to be incarcerated and 11 times more likely to exhibit violent behavior than children of two-parent households.
If a man and a wife, this one's one of the most interesting stats, if a man and a wife raise a child, they're less likely to end up in jail, but they have the same chance as children raised by just their fathers.
Let me read that one more time.
If a man and a wife raise a child, they're less likely to end up in jail, but they have the same chances as children raised by just only their fathers.
Girls with no fathers have low self-esteem.
And obviously this ties to crime, mental issues, economy, suicide rates, all these other things.
One, how did we get here?
Okay, was this intentional to want to break the family nucleus where this is not a leader's bulletin we want to be winning in?
Like this is not something to be bragging about.
We're a very competitive nation.
We want to be the best at innovation.
We want to be the best in this and that.
This is not a place to brag about.
How do we get here?
And Dennis, what's the solution?
One of the ways we got here was the feminist movement.
One of its mottos was, a woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.
Very famous phrase from early feminism in the 60s, 70s.
Men are essentially regarded as useless.
We need their sperm.
And other than that, we really don't need men.
Kids don't need men.
I cite in something I wrote a New York Times survey of experts, quote unquote, which usually means foolish people who know one thing.
And the whole heading was, are fathers necessary?
It was actually a big column in the New York Times, and repeatedly, that fathers are not necessary.
Again, the secular intellectual is generally a stupid person.
Fathers are essential.
Everything you read proves it.
And yet we live in a world that denies the obvious.
That's a good phrase for the modern age, the denial of the obvious.
Girls without fathers in their lives are far more promiscuous.
And you may say, so what?
And the answer to the so what is, well, there is a what.
The what is they get more depressed.
They get angrier.
They're less happy.
And I've written a book on happiness because I consider happiness to be an extremely important part of life.
The happy make the world better.
The unhappy make it worse.
Happiness is a moral issue, not just an emotional issue.
How did we get here?
We got here once again thanks to secularism.
Religious homes are far more likely to have a father in them.
People are not willing to acknowledge that the roots of Western civilization, which are called Judeo-Christian, when you abolish the roots of a civilization, the trees fall down.
I mean, I don't know why that shouldn't be obvious.
What are we going to supplant it with?
And we have supplanted it with, again, foolish ideas.
Men are not necessary.
Women don't need them and children don't need them.
And so the men got the message.
And now, what do we have?
7 million able-bodied men, young, able-bodied men, who have taken themselves out of the workplace.
This is a tragedy for society.
It is a tragedy for men.
And it's a tragedy for women looking for a good man to marry.
It's also part of another secular idiocy of the left, and that is that you don't need to marry.
This is an old-fashioned idea that people should marry.
Three generations of women, starting with the baby boomers, of which I am a member, were taught, yeah, you want to get married, get married, but young woman, the thing that will bring you the greatest joy and happiness and fulfillment is career, which is one of the greatest lies in the world of lies.
It's really as much a lie as men give birth.
But when you hear something enough, you start to believe it.
Oh, I don't really need marriage.
I'll be great with a career.
I've written over a thousand columns.
They're all on the internet, 20 years, about 50 a year.
And only one of them I didn't write.
All I did was transcribe a call to my radio show.
And I have a male-female hour every week, and I discuss this issue.
Tell me, if you pursued career and not marriage, has it worked out for you?
50-year-old woman who is a CEO makes a good living.
She has three degrees from universities.
And essentially, almost in tears, spoke eloquently about how being a CEO doesn't quite compensate for going home to an empty home when she sees friends with a husband and children.
And everybody knows marriages have issues and children are issues.
But the purpose of life is not to avoid issues.
It's to embrace the fullness of life.
And I'll just say point blank, because nobody tells people things they don't want to hear.
Everybody wants to be loved.
I have no such aim.
And you don't grow up if you don't get married.
This is a message to men.
This is a message to women.
You can be very successful.
You don't grow up.
Okay.
You can be a wonderful human being, good volunteer services.
You can adopt stray puppies and do all sorts of things.
Every married person, including people who married and had a lousy marriage and divorced, will acknowledge they grew up when they got married.
And then you grow up exponentially when you have children and you're married.
But people don't want to grow up.
The left is Peter Pan.
The left is the embracing of immaturity.
And most professors are immature people.
And they help develop immature young people.
It is a catastrophe.
They don't hear from people like me.
Obviously, they do.
I mean, let me make this.
They don't hear from people like me, meaning that we're not their professors.
We try to go around it with Prager U, with lectures, with books, and not just me.
Thank God.
There are other wonderful people giving good messages.
But we're censored.
Ben Shapiro went to Berkeley and they had $600,000 in security.
There's no security for the most radical leftist speaker.
They don't need one bodyguard.
Why do conservatives need $600,000 of security?
Do people not put two and two together?
The damage the left does, all it does is destroy.
The American Medical Association has announced that the sex of a child should not be on a birth certificate because we don't know it until they choose it.
This is the American Medical Association.
Can you pull this up?
Yes, pull it up.
The American medical.
Yes, the American.
See, this is the thing.
People don't know the damage the left does to everything it touches, art, music, education, children, male-female relations, and medicine.
It has corrupted the medical field.
The American Society of American Academy of Pediatrics or Pediatricians, whatever the full name is, they've come out for affirmative care to give minors hormone blockers.
I mean, that is evil.
Yes, that's a new evil.
You asked for a new evil.
What we're doing to kids now in the name of trans, of transgender is pure evil.
You know, Dennis, you talked about happiness.
And the book you're referencing, for people that are listening, he was referencing his book, Happiness is a Serious Problem, which if you haven't read it, read it.
He's not on a book tour.
This was written many, many years ago.
but the truths that are in there about finding purpose and the things that you do and that the pursuit of happiness is not the pursuit of joy.
You know, joy is deeper in your heart.
Happiness is, hey, my team won today.
It was a pretty good day.
And if all you're searching for is those moments of happiness, that's not joy.
It's the deeper joy about service and what you do and purpose in life.
And thank you for writing that book.
Thank you.
Chuck Colson, the late Chuck Colson, wrote, How Now Shall We Live, a wonderful book you're probably familiar with.
And he was talking about the steps out.
What do you think are some of the steps out?
Because you've very eloquently.
What you're talking about here, what initial steps out, you know, as a society, as people, or as a country, you talk about the left very eloquently.
What are our initial steps?
Oh, I'll give you a terrific first step to know that you have to fight your nature.
You can't develop as a human being.
You can't even be a happy human being if you don't fight your nature.
That's the number one issue in life.
Unpack that.
Okay, first of all, human nature is not basically good.
Only the naive who have lived a spoiled life believe the nonsense that human nature is basically good.
I don't say human nature is basically evil.
I'm saying it's not basically good.
Number two, your own nature.
There are two natures we have.
We all have human nature and we all have our own natures.
You have to battle both.
My father told me all of my childhood, I'm lazy.
I didn't like hearing it.
Thank God he said it to me.
My father criticized me way more than he praised me, and I'm a better man for that fact.
Much better.
There is no comparison.
And because that's not the role, the role of a parent in the world of the stupid in which we live is to give kids self-esteem.
So you give them trophies for playing.
Not trophies for winning, trophies for playing.
That's damaging to children.
You don't think you have to achieve in order to get a reward from society.
Well, you do, kid.
You have to achieve.
If you didn't win, you don't get a trophy.
End of issue.
So the first thing people call my show, and they go, Dennis, you're a father figure to me.
I'm having a kid.
Give me a piece of advice.
And I always have the same.
Give them, teach them self-control, not self-esteem.
You get self-esteem from self-control.
Self-control is the route to self-esteem.
It is the route to happiness.
It is the route to a productive.
It is the route, the only route to a good life.
Your words carry a lot of weights.
I want to unpack what you just said right there, where your father gave you, by the way, the same thing you're lazy or lazy or lazy.
That's the one thing my dad kept telling me when I was a kid.
So it's very common to what my dad told me as a kid.
I read this book called The Genius in All of Us 15 years ago, 14 years ago.
And maybe 10 years ago.
In the statistic it showed in there, it said they're in the three different classes of parents, lower class, middle class, upper class.
Okay, so lower, middle, upper.
Lower class from the day the kid is born to 18, they get negative affirmations, means no's and rejections, 600,000 times more than positive, lower class.
Middle was 100,000 more negative affirmation, okay, than positive.
And the upper class parents to their kids was 100,000 more than criticism.
Make sense?
That's what this book is talking about.
The genius and all you achieved, the more you were criticized.
Is that what you're saying?
No, the parents of the upper class parents, the way they spoke to their kids is what you did was wrong, but I believe you can improve this, dot, dot, dot.
Versus the lower class parents would say, you're an idiot, you're a moron.
Why'd you do that?
Okay, my father was right.
I was lazy.
Calling a kid an idiot or a moron is not helpful.
That's what I mean.
You can't overcome being an idiot or a moron.
I mean, the parent is an idiot and a moron.
I agree.
Who says that?
Yes.
So I'm not advocating that.
I know you're not.
I'm advocating the opposite, though, of what we're doing.
Oh, you're terrific.
Oh, my God, you made a bowel movement.
I got to get you a prize.
That is the most beautiful poop I have ever seen in my life.
Or it's America's favorite word.
It was an awesome poop.
Oh, my God.
I mean, so it never ends.
The constant praise.
It doesn't mean anything.
Or you become a narcissist.
You expect that praise.
There's got to be a balance.
Parents should be real.
You did a good job.
Good.
I commend your good job.
You did a bad job.
You did a bad job.
My wife, who I think she was a single mom, and she sort of is an outlier because she raised two wonderful boys.
And I'm not saying it because she's my wife.
It's just a fact.
You met one.
She's a lawyer.
Well, she is a lawyer, but she doesn't practice lawyers.
Anyway, so she told her kids as follows.
And I hope I get it right.
And she's listening right now.
So I'm sure she's a little worried.
But basically, if you do something wrong, if you're guilty and the police pick you up, don't waste your one phone call on me.
That was a very direct statement to kids.
You use drugs that night.
You don't sleep in my house.
That's good stuff.
I asked on my radio show, my radio show has been my human laboratory because I not only talk to millions, I talk with tens of thousands.
That's an amazing thing to say.
And I've learned an immense amount.
So I often just ask questions.
If you didn't use drugs in high school, why didn't you?
And I had no idea what the answers would be.
Virtually every single question.
Isn't it?
What a great question.
So, right.
So here was the answer.
Overwhelmingly, they all said the same thing, men and women.
My mother would kill me.
Specifically the mother.
Yes.
Isn't that interesting?
Mother would kill me.
Yes, my mother would kill me.
Not the father.
Well, the assumption in a two-parent home is if you get by your mother, your father will torture you.
I don't know what's worse than killing you, but she's the first line of defense.
He will dismember you.
Once I kill you, he'll dismember you.
I don't know.
But yes, she's the first line of defense.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
Well, yesterday I was playing football with my nephew.
I don't have kids.
I'm working on it.
But I take an active role in my nephew's life.
And he's the only child.
And I see that he's sort of been coddled a little bit.
And it's kind of my job as the uncle to be like, toughen up, kid.
And every time, I said, every time you catch the ball, we have to catch it.
Throw it back and forth 10 times.
And then we move on to the next lesson.
And every time he dropped, it was an excuse.
Oh, it's slippery outside.
Oh, the sun's in my eye.
Oh, it's muddy.
Whatever it is.
I'm like, listen, if the ball hits your hand, you got to catch it, kid.
That's the bottom line here, right?
I played football.
That's my thing.
If it hits your hand, you got to catch it.
My question to you is this.
I said, once you were done with this, you'll get a reward for actually doing well.
If you don't do good today, you get nothing.
So he's negotiating.
Well, can I get this?
Can I get that?
You talked about the trophy culture and everybody gets something.
For the young parents out there who are raising kids, give me some case examples.
Like if they screw up, how should you address it?
And if they do well, how should you address it?
So it depends what the screw-up means.
If the screw-up is a moral screw-up, which is the only ones I am really concerned with, then they need to be punished.
Here's another message: in addition to the you have to control it, you have to fight your nature.
Most important message of all.
But I had another message to my kids, which is almost unheard of for a Jewish upper middle class parent.
It's almost unheard of.
But I said to my kids repeatedly, I don't care about your grades, which is almost unheard of.
I know.
Among my peers, they found it almost unbelievable that I did this.
All I care about is your character.
Okay?
So I don't care about your grades.
All I care about is your character.
And I think I have two good kids.
And one went through a very difficult time.
One of my kids is biological.
One of my kids is adopted from the day of birth.
He was born to a meth addict mother.
I did not know that at the time.
And that played havoc in his early life, as it turns out.
He's terrific today.
He's married.
He wants to make a family.
I thank God for him.
My older son was never a difficult issue.
But that was my message to them.
Character is all that matters to me.
And if I heard that they cheated on a test or that they were gratuitously mean to a kid or whatever character flaw, then I came down on them.
If they didn't get good grades, I didn't care.
I didn't care if they went to college.
I didn't care what college they went to.
Most colleges are despicable places today.
Despicable.
They teach sick doctrines.
Babies teach babies at our universities.
If I hear you're a professor of gender studies, I assume you're a fool.
If I hear you're an epidemiologist, I assume you're a fool.
Do you know what epidemiologists did to the world with the lockdowns?
Do you know the damage they did to kids?
Epidemiologists telling public health officials telling people to keep schools closed for two years when kids had essentially no danger from COVID?
Do you know the damage that these so-called experts did to kids?
Why aren't parents angry at these people?
Why do they still believe in quote-unquote experts?
Sweden closed down nothing.
It has the lowest excess death rate of the last two years on earth.
No kid got COVID and they kept the schools open until the age of 16.
Sweden shamed the rest of the world in staying open.
Thank God for Sweden.
It was our litmus test.
People, it is very hard.
It's hard for me.
I went to Columbia University graduate school, and I remember if you're a professor of history, I almost shook because I thought, wow, I'm meeting someone who has mastered such a great discipline of history or professor of English or whatever.
But now if I hear you're a professor, I assume you're a fool.
Not all professors are fool.
I just make that assumption.
Wow.
Guilty by association almost.
No, not by association, by title, by profession.
It's not because they're associating with other fools.
Do you know that I think her name is Amy Wax, a professor at University of Pennsylvania Law School, Ivy League Law School?
She wrote a column with another professor saying, you know what?
Middle-class bourgeois values are great values.
Basically, as follows, that you graduate high school, you get a job, you get married, and then have children after you get married.
Those are the four things, and you'll be a winner in this society, basically, if you just do those four things.
Just for writing that, 250 law professors at the University of Pennsylvania asked the university to not allow her to teach the introductory course she was teaching.
She's been ostracized by fellow lawyers because all she affirmed was middle-class values, which they call now, of course, white supremacist values, which, of course, is an insult to non-whites.
Oh, I see.
Only whites should graduate high school, get a job, get married, and then have children.
Blacks should not do that.
The only systemic racism in America is from the left.
They believe in separate graduations for blacks, separate dormitories for blacks.
They believe that it is wrong to be raceblind.
They believe race tells me something about you.
So I have a great question.
If race is important, what do you know about a person if you know he or she is black?
Name me one thing you know about that person.
After all, it's supposedly a very important aspect, the most important aspect, according to the morons who teach at colleges.
You know, naming nothing, nothing.
You know nothing if you know someone is white.
You know nothing if someone is anything.
It means nothing.
MLK yesterday.
Yes, MLK, exactly.
Skin color is less important than shoe color.
If your shoes don't match your outfit, especially for a woman, it matters.
Yeah.
But your skin color doesn't mean a damn thing.
How do you judge character, though?
Like back to your question about the point you made about your kids, about how character matters more than their grades.
We had the conversation with Neil deGrasse Tyson a week ago about how you measure success, grades, and what it was like, how you can bounce back from failure, you know, your ability to associate with people in your class, a multitude of reasons of how you can predict success, right?
The predictors of success.
But character, you know, moral fiber, how do you, like if you're raising one of your kids, how do you grade that?
It's easy to say, oh, you got a 1600 on your SATs, you get a 4.0.
Great kid.
You know, you were president of your class.
These are accolades you can actually tangibly assess.
Well, there are many ways.
There are many ways.
So not in order of importance, but the first one that comes to my mind is, are they truth-tellers?
Lying is the mother of evil.
All evil emanates from lies.
That's why I'm so afraid of the left, because truth is not a left-wing value.
It's a liberal value, and it is a conservative value, but it's not a left-wing value.
So do they lie?
That's a big one.
Another one is, I watch how they behave.
How do they treat a stranger?
Do they try to make people who enter their life feel good?
Are they warm to the stranger, to somebody who comes to the house?
If they meet an autistic kid, do they spend a little time trying to talk to that kid?
I mean, there are so many indicators in the course of a day, whether you're a narcissist.
Do they only talk about themselves?
Do they ask questions about people that they meet?
Your question actually is something I should write a piece on.
I thank you for that because I have sort of I'm deeply involved in music, so I always think in terms of music, I conduct orchestras as an avocation, and I don't have perfect pitch.
Perfect pitch means that if you hear a C sharp, you know it's C sharp.
You either have it or you don't.
It's a gift.
I have sort of a gift, and I don't take credit for it.
It is a gift.
I don't know how smart people are immediately because I don't give a damn how smart they are.
But I do know I'm a pretty good measure of a person's decency.
There are little things that I see in people in interactions, and I don't always have clues, but I often do.
But if you don't have the gift, it has to be written out.
So I'm going to do that.
But watching, for example, I always tell the example: if you're on a date, don't watch how the date treats you.
They're going to treat you fine because they want something.
Watch how they treat the waiter.
That to me is really important.
How do you treat, how you treat your boss is not an indication.
How you treat the janitor is an indication.
When I see people where I work at my radio station in Los Angeles, when I see people talk to the janitor, so how's your day, Jose?
How's your day, Joe?
Whatever it is, that they even know their name, that's a big sign to me.
So there are indications.
And another biggie, you can't be a good person if you're not grateful.
One of the reasons I loathe the left is because the left teaches you to be ungrateful.
Ingratitude is the deepest component of leftism.
The most obvious is they're not grateful to be American.
Is ingratitude and entitle the same thing?
Does it have the similar meaning?
They're very related.
Cousins.
Yes.
Cousins.
That's right.
Every grateful person is a good person.
Every ungrateful person is a bad person.
It is the golden route to decency.
So you should teach your child to be grateful.
That's why saying thank you is so critical.
And how many, by the way, talking about human nature, if human nature were good, how many times would you have to tell your kid, say thank you?
Five?
But how many times does the average parent say thank you?
10,000?
Why didn't they get it on the third time if they're basically good?
How much of the character is nature versus nurture?
Meaning, like my mother, Jewish mother, she's like, Adam, I don't care what you do.
You just better be the best at it.
And you better treat the janitor the same as the CEO.
These are things I've heard my entire life.
Like Tom has two daughters, very well-behaved girls.
Pat's got four kids, mostly well-behaved.
But the one thing I will say is he's taught them, do not lie for sure, right?
Read your books.
Do not lie, reward mechanisms.
How much is nature versus nurture?
Like your parenting and your upbringing?
Right.
So the nature versus nurture thing, I have a funny answer.
Nature is 100% and nurture is 100%.
It's all the above.
They're both so critical.
You can't control nature, though.
You can control nurture.
Well, you can control nature.
How do you do that?
By fighting it.
I was lazy.
So what did I do?
I decided I figured a way around it.
I can't change the fact that I rather play than work.
It's just a fact.
Okay.
I know that.
Look at every kid, though, right?
Every kid.
But I'm not a kid anymore, at least chronologically.
I still am a kid, but not chronologically.
So what did I do?
I took on so many obligations.
I had no choice.
Right?
I mean, I'm on your show.
I had to get up at 3.30 Pacific time to get here for this show.
That's not my favorite time to awaken.
But I took the obligation to be on your show.
I couldn't call you going, you know, really, Patrick, I really feel bad.
I'm still on California time.
Yeah, right, exactly.
So I'm given the fact that I rather play than work.
So I took on so many projects.
Rather work than play, you mean?
No, I'd rather play than.
Oh, you would rather play than?
Yes, of course, yes.
So what I did was I took on all these obligations.
I have no choice.
So you'll get a kick out of this.
So the biggest project of my life, aside from Prager You and the radio and the column and all that, the biggest is this five-volume commentary on the Torah, the first five books of the Bible.
It's called the Rational Bible.
It's the best-selling commentary on the Bible in America today, I am proud to say, because if you don't know, if you do know the insights of the Bible, you will be a happier and better human being.
These are life-changing books.
If people look up the Rational Bible, three volumes of the five are out, Genesis, Exodus, Deuteronomy.
And I have no problem pushing it.
Nobody writes Bible commentaries to get rich.
Okay.
Let's be honest.
So especially the latest Deuteronomy.
Okay.
I mean, oh my God, a guy's going to make a fortune.
He wrote a Deuteronomy commentary.
But if you read the Amazon reviews, it does change lives.
And I get these insights from them, from these books, and I try to share them in the writing of this.
So why did I mention this, aside from that?
I wanted to mention it.
So when Deuteronomy was the last one, I'm not going in order.
It's the fifth of the five books.
So I got the copy of Deuteronomy in the mail two years ago, and it came out last, just a few months ago.
And I got it in the mail, and I look at it.
Now, most people would think with all that work, and you see, and that's beautifully printed, by the way, the publisher did a gorgeous job.
And I look at it, you would think I would think, wow, that is really proud of myself or something like that, right?
I give you my word of honor.
The only reaction I had was I looked at it and I said, when did I write that?
I just couldn't believe I had the time.
The marvel to me was not the book and all of the wonderful things of seeing your own book.
It was, wow, when did I write that?
Powerful, yeah.
And the answer is I had no choice.
The publisher expects a book from me.
So that's so when you, of course, you can fight your nature.
That's exactly, of course, otherwise we're doomed.
Such a simple concept for anybody to apply, especially if you have a reputation of being lazy.
Keep a busy calendar and commitments that you have to come through because you don't want to let people down.
That's right.
Get busy.
That's exactly right.
You got it.
Well, you always get it.
That's why I love talking to you.
You, to your credit, and I'm interviewed a lot.
You really listen.
A lot of people who interview, they have a list of questions.
And it's clear to me, I could say in the middle, you know, I pooped really well yesterday.
And they would then have their own Dennis out there.
No, no, no, they wouldn't do it.
No, that implied that they listened.
No, Amazing Dennis would be at least they listened.
My point is they go to the next question.
Yes.
So what's the key to success?
They just kind of go to the next one.
But Dennis, let's go to this other topic with the last 30 minutes that we have together.
I know Sue's outside as well.
You guys got to drive.
The declassified documents that have been found, the classified documents have been found, okay, with Joe Biden.
And it's so interesting with the more and more we're learning, more things are coming out.
The timing of Trump's, the timing of his, they knew about it right before midterms, but they held it back till now.
What are your thoughts about what's going on here?
There's, you know, a lot of people, I listened to Dan Bongino yesterday.
Dan Bongino saying there's no way in the world the Biden administration is going to find documents like this and say, let's turn it in because we have to be honest.
He says, you have to be a fool to believe they gave it up to the lawyers.
He says the only way the story is true is somebody on the inside either set him up or knew was there and found it because they are trying to do something to him.
Now, whether that's true or not, I don't know.
What do you think about what's going on with these classified documents?
I don't have better insights than others into a lot of this political stuff.
My insights are the big picture.
The big picture is that, and I say this, I really, I have to suppress tears because I so love this country.
But I love truth more than I love the country.
And the truth is, we are as corrupt as a third world banana republic in Central America.
This is a corrupt country.
The left has made it corrupt.
I know people say Trump, It is their way of masking the truth of the corruption.
51 heads of intelligence agencies signed a letter a few weeks before the 2020 election saying that the Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation.
They all lied, every single one.
In other words, the entire intelligence apparatus of America is as corrupt as it is in Guatemala or Brazil or Iran.
Not as evil necessarily.
They don't kill as many people as the Iranians, but they're as corrupt.
They're just, they lie.
They lie on behalf of the left, just like Pravda lied on behalf of the Communist Party in the Soviet Union.
The media lie on behalf of the left and the Democratic Party in the United States.
I mean, that most Americans don't know the level of corruption is only because it's censored.
How many Americans, every conservative American who listens to anything like talk radio or reads any conservative news source knows that 51 heads of intelligence signed a lying letter to enable Biden to win.
But I don't think 2% of Americans, liberal or left, know that the 51 signed that letter.
So anything is possible with regard to why this is now coming out.
But what will be interesting is they want to prosecute Donald Trump for it.
Will they prosecute Joe Biden for it?
And by the way, maybe they will, in which case, maybe the most nefarious scenario is they just want to get rid of the guy because they know he can't win the next election and they don't want him to run.
I don't know.
I'm not even saying that.
All I want to know is, will all of the condemnations of Donald Trump for unclassified documents at Mar-a-Lago be leveled at Joe Biden for unclassified documents in his garage?
That's the, or excuse me, not unclassified, classified documents in his garage.
Look, how many Americans know the truth about so much?
If you know how many people are dying, see, this is a classic example of the left.
If you point out how many young people are dying like athletes, just dropping dead on the field, and I see reports like this regularly, I mean, regularly, like at least every week, and this is just what we know of.
And then you say, well, shouldn't we just investigate whether the vaccine has been beneficial or harmful to young people?
Young meaning under 50.
That's a pretty large young group.
Shouldn't we just investigate?
Oh, you're an anti-vaxxer.
My children are completely vaccinated.
By the way, I'm not sure that I would now do that.
Talking about lying and what the left has done to medicine, that you know that in California, now, as of last week, in California, a doctor who says things that the AMA or the California Medical Association differ with can lose his or her license to practice medicine.
Doctors are not free in California to speak out on medical issues if Pfizer, that's really what it means, if Pfizer doesn't agree with them.
I mean, the level of corruption, masking kids at two years of age.
First of all, I think you're an idiot if you mask yourself at 52 years of age, but that is beside the point.
But a two-year-old, we have hurt children and the children's hospitals that allow surgeons to remove healthy girls' breasts if they say they're boys.
Did you hear the latest story?
It was just, what was it, yesterday I reported?
Where was it?
Outside of San Diego?
In the girls' locker room, a male shows his genitalia in the showers.
The 17-year-old says, I don't want to see it.
I don't want my little sister to see this.
But they say, sorry.
This was at the YMCA, once called the Young Men's Children Association.
You got it.
You guys are fast.
17-year-old scolded for crying over transgender women's penis at YMCA.
Look, she's scolded.
The 17-year-old is scolded.
This is the girl speaking.
Yes, this is the girl speaking.
That's exactly right.
Rebecca Phillips was 17.
She said she was changing after swimming one day last month at the Santee YMCA when she spotted a naked trans woman in the changing rooms.
So here's the story.
You get it?
This is the sick world we're living in.
If you show your penis to young girls, you are arrested.
But if you show your penis to young girls and say you're a female, you're rewarded.
And protected.
Clown world.
Protected, rewarded.
And the girl who objects is the one who's punished.
So let me ask you.
Because you're intolerant.
That's right.
Let me ask this question.
So to me, logically, that can't make sense to anybody, right?
Logically.
So, Dennis, how much of this creating momentum has to do that the 1% are so much louder than the other 99% who are just saying it's not a big deal.
Let it go.
Well, what you have is the usual phenomenon.
Cowardice is the human norm.
Again, human nature is not basically good.
Most people, including me, our nature is to be a coward.
I've had to fight that, and I'm not a coward, that I can say categorically.
But you have to fight it.
The natural inclination in life is to be afraid.
Afraid of being disliked, afraid of being ostracized, afraid of being fired, afraid of being shut down, afraid of whatever it is.
That's another reason why the only answer to all of this is the Judeo-Christian code, which says you fear God, you don't fear man.
The only out in not fearing human beings is essentially fearing God.
It's a basic biblical principle.
But that's what it is.
People are afraid to – why do the girls at the University of Pennsylvania swim team?
Why did they continue to compete when this guy who said he's a girl went from male swimming, where he was a nothing, to female swimming, where he was a champion?
He deprived all these girls of winning races because he said he was a girl.
And every one of the girls had to go along with this, knowing they were being cheated by a man who says he's a woman.
They were cheated.
The guy's a cheat, or the woman's a cheat.
Call her whatever.
Call him her whatever you want, is a cheat.
And the New York Times supports cheating.
The New York Times, the Washington Post, CNN, they are morally awful vehicles for lying to the public.
And so here is the question.
Why did the girls compete?
If every girl on the team said we're not racing, it would have ended this fraud of having men compete in women's sports.
But they won't.
They're afraid.
Because if they do that, the University of Pennsylvania threatened them.
We will come down.
They may have been evicted from the university, but they wouldn't have kicked out a whole team.
But the girls understandably were afraid.
They'll be called transphobes.
You don't want to be called a transphobe, right?
Of course not.
New York Times will call you a transphobe.
If the girls decided not to race, the New York Times, that sick editorial page of the New York Times would have said they're transphobic girls.
They're haters.
Which label right now is the biggest career-ending label one can get?
Racist, homophobe, transphobe.
I mean, by the way, if you ever notice, isn't it interesting?
There's a word for Jew hatred, anti-Semitism.
There's a word for Muslim hatred, Islamophobe.
Why isn't there a word for Christian hatred?
Because the left makes up our vocabulary.
The most hated religious group on earth today are Christians.
They're certainly the most killed.
And I'm a Jew saying this.
There's no word for, nobody hates Christians.
If you show a picture of Muhammad, a painting of Muhammad, not a cartoon, a Muslim painting of Muhammad just done in Hamlin University, look that one up.
H-A-M-L-I-N-E.
The art professor who taught the course said, I'm telling you in advance, I'm putting up an ancient rendition of Muhammad.
If you are offended by it, you may not want to watch.
And she was kicked out of Hamlin University.
She's an art professor.
She showed the piece.
Or Charlie Hamilton.
Oh, wait, but yeah.
Well, that was that.
They were murdered.
Yes.
So, yeah, there it is.
Hamlin is fired over medieval painting done by Muslims.
You can't show a Muslim painting of a body.
Zoom in for the picture so we can see what the picture is.
Yeah, there it is.
Well, this is because thou shall not create any caricature, painting, or image of Malik.
Yeah, but that's not in the Quran.
That some Muslims believe that.
Later Muslims, they obviously medieval Muslims didn't believe that.
They did make paintings of Muhammad.
But anyway, you can have a crucifix.
The reason I raise it, there's a famous quote-unquote artwork, Piss Christ, which put that one up that toured the American museums.
It's a jar of urine with this.
The guy put a crucifix in his own urine, and it went all around the country.
Nobody's afraid of Christians.
The Book of Mormon.
The Book of Mormon.
Nobody's afraid of Mormons.
Of course.
That they're afraid of Muslims because cowardice is a central tenet of leftism.
Back to Pat's question of what's the worst label to have.
Is there one that's worse than that?
Anti-Semitic with Kanye?
That's obviously not.
They're all tied for first.
However, they can dismiss you.
They'll just use the term.
I don't know why.
You used to be racist, though.
If you were labeled a racist or a bigot, you were done.
Right.
But every white is racist, so therefore there's no such thing as racism.
As soon as you say every, you have ended the issue.
True.
By the way, it's such a joke.
Here I am.
I'm the DEI head at your university, Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion.
And I'm telling you, every white is racist.
So obviously, they're speaking autobiographically, are they not?
Hello, I'm a racist, and you should trust me.
I don't quite follow that.
Anyway, it's just, that's another great lie.
For the record, I don't have a racist bone in my body.
I don't give a damn about your color.
Simple as that.
But that is now called racist.
Did you know?
Look up that.
University of California list of microaggressions.
If you say colorblind, you're a racist.
Colorblind is a racist.
Yes.
If you say there is only one race, the human race, that is considered racist by the University of California.
You were how old when MLK was colorblindness, doesn't it?
So I would have been, what was that, 68?
Yeah.
Yeah, so I would have been 19 years old.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Everything, I assume that was when you're going through a major situation in your life.
You're in college, you're learning, you're seeing.
Well, no, all these assassinations were, I didn't understand what was happening to my beloved America.
I have to admit, it was disconcerting, obviously.
Prior to 1968 when MLK was shot and Bobby Kennedy, was that the worst year that you can remember?
Is it even worse now?
The worst year was 2020.
With COVID lockdowns.
Not just the lockdown, the riots.
Worse than 1968.
Over a lie.
George Floyd was not killed because he was black.
It's just a lie.
It's another left-wing lie.
If it's not a lie, then I must retire from public life.
But if it is a lie, the New York Times should go out of business.
One of us is lying to the public.
Either he was killed because he's black or he wasn't killed because he's black.
However, I have big evidence, and that is that the Attorney General of Minnesota, whose name eludes me for a moment, but he is a big, he's a black and he's a man of the left, and he did not charge Derek Chauvin with racism.
This was not a hate crime because he had zero evidence that it had anything to do with George Floyd being black.
The entire year of riots and protests was based on a lie.
Keith Ellison, that would have been.
Keith Ellison, that's correct.
Keith Ellison.
That's right.
And listen, this is two years ago, two and a half years ago, so we've spoken about this, God knows how many times.
What was the outcome?
You know, the whole saying, never miss the opportunity of a crisis.
Who said that?
Rahm Emmanuel, somebody said Emmanuel said it.
So it was to use that crisis to eliminate a man.
Is that kind of what it was?
To use that crisis to get part of a guy who's not a person.
But it was also to use that crisis to undo American history.
Donald Trump was absolutely right in predicting, you know, they're going after the Confederates today.
They're going to go after George Washington and Abraham Lincoln tomorrow.
That's exactly what happened.
The erasure of America's noble history.
By the way, you shouldn't, I don't know if we should even erase the ignoble history.
Peter Stuyvesant, the Dutchman who ruled or governed New York before it became New York.
It was New Amsterdam first.
Every Jew who knows history knows he was an anti-Semite.
I would not be for the removal of a Peter Stuyvesant sculpture.
I listened to Wagner operas.
Wagner hated Jews.
Wagner was a crackpot anti-Semite, but he wrote gorgeous music.
I listened to Wagner.
I mean, once you start, it never ends, and it doesn't end.
That is exactly the point.
What is it?
There's a famous statement of Soviet dissidents.
In the Soviet Union, the future is known.
It is the past that is always changing.
That's what's happening in America.
The past is always changing.
According to the New York Times, we were founded in 1619.
I mean, it's up there with men give birth.
But 2020 was so sad to me because I realized the ease with which you can brainwash a civilization.
I always thought my field of study was communism at the Russian Institute at Columbia University.
I spent a lot of time in communist countries.
I always thought that you can only brainwash a population in a tyranny.
And this was a revelation to me.
You can brainwash a population in a free country.
Dennis, as a Jew yourself, when you saw what was going on with Kanye and the things he was saying, and then Bohem, Adidas, and his marriage, and everything you listened to, his comments about Hitler, on Alex Jones, and now he's been kind of low-key for the last six weeks, which I think is a great idea.
The fact whoever he listened to, good for him, to kind of taking a break.
And apparently, low-key got married to somebody that no one knows about.
It was done in a very low-key way.
Now, I don't know if this is true or not.
It's just what the media is saying.
How did you process what he was saying about Jews?
Were you upset?
Were you frustrated?
Were you saying, well, partially he's right about this?
Well, he's not right about this.
I can't believe he said that.
What feelings did you get when he was saying what he was saying?
Well, I don't work on feelings as much.
I try to think through rationally.
I wrote a book on anti-Semitism.
I have fought it all of my life.
The book is called Why the Jews.
And every population has a percentage of people who hate Jews.
There are a whole host of reasons why people might hate Jews.
And as I point out in my book and the piece I wrote on Kanye West, one of my columns, non-Jews need to know something.
Anti-Semitism destroys societies.
I'm not saying it because I'm a Jew.
I'm saying it because it's true.
No society has survived anti-Semitism.
Spain was one of the greatest world powers.
Then it had the Spanish Inquisition and the Spanish expulsion of the Jews in 1492.
And have you heard from Spain in the last 500 years?
It went downhill with speed of a skier after it kicked out its Jews.
Germany was the most vibrant culture in Europe before Hitler, most vibrant in the arts, in philosophy, in science.
And then they had the Holocaust.
What do you hear from Germany?
Volkswagen?
I mean, the economy?
Can people even name a living German?
Not to mention what was done to Germany as a result of Hitler being in power, the Germans, the losses in Germany, the rape of German women by Soviet soldiers.
It is you're an idiot if you're a non-Jew and you don't fight anti-Semitism.
I don't even care if people like Jews.
I care if people hate Jews.
You don't like Jews?
Don't like Jews.
Fine.
Everybody has a pet group that they may not like.
Okay?
The Germans didn't like the Poles.
The Poles didn't like the Russians.
The Russians don't like the Ukrainians.
Everybody dislikes his neighbor.
The British didn't like the Irish.
The Irish didn't like the British.
It doesn't mean a damn thing.
Jokes I used to hear that were called Polish jokes.
When I went to England, the exact same jokes, but it was the Irish.
The exact same joke.
That was what was so funny about it.
So I don't, it's dislike or don't like and hate.
They're a very, very, very different thing.
If a man can say Hitler was a good man, he is a sick poop.
He's a sick puppy.
I mean, there's just, there's something very scary about such a human being.
And by the way, if you have to be a Jew to be offended by that, if somebody said Stalin was a good person, I would think the person is a sick puppy too.
And it wasn't Jews who Stalin went after mostly.
He killed 6 million, 5 million Ukrainians deliberately, plus 30 million Russians in general.
But how many Americans died fighting Hitler?
Isn't it an insult to all the Americans who died in World War II?
Oh, Hitler was, oh, really?
So these Americans died in vain.
If Hitler was a good guy, then your grandparents who died or fought, they died in vain.
They fought in vain.
They got blinded or shell-shocked in vain.
But people don't have either courage or a moral compass to distinguish between good and bad.
So you don't like Jews, you don't like Jews, fine.
I'm not asking you.
As I said, I'm repeating myself.
Forgive me.
But hating Jews is a very bad thing.
Dennis, what's the difference between a Jew saying there are still people who hate Jews versus a black person on the left saying there are still people who hate blacks?
Yes, there are people who hate blacks.
That's correct.
But so there are people who hate every group.
Therefore, what?
The question is how many?
What percentage of whites in America hate blacks?
It's tiny.
The percentage is tiny.
Okay?
What was it?
Larry Elder, who could reel off these statistics if you woke him up at 3 a.m.
He's gifted in that way.
I'm not gifted in that way to know statistics by heart, but he shows how many whites voted for Obama.
And what was it?
The percentage of whites who voted for Obama was smaller than the percentage of whites who voted for some white candidate.
I don't remember what it was.
This is the least racist, multi-ethnic country on the face of the earth in the history of the world.
Here's a statistic no kid at Harvard knows.
Okay, at Harvard, I'm picking the creme de la creme, and that is that ask a kid at Harvard how many slaves, how many black slaves were brought to the United States in the transatlantic slave trade, and then ask them how many blacks came to the United States voluntarily in the last 50 years.
The first one is 360,000.
The second number is 3 million.
Are they stupid, by the way?
If America is systemically racist, every black who moves here is an idiot.
You can't have it both ways.
And as I always say, any Jews moved to Germany in the 1930s?
Not one.
Right?
Because that was systemically racist.
Blacks moved to the United States because it's the best country on earth for a black to live, period.
And they know it.
Only the left denies it.
What was the number again?
360 and 3 million?
360,000 versus 3 million.
That's correct.
And, you know, I take a risk with any one of these numbers because if it's wrong, I lose my reputation.
But I've been broadcasting 40 years, and truth is my number one goal.
Those are the data.
And you know where I got the data on the 3 million from?
William Sapphire in the New York Times in the 1980s.
That's the amazing thing.
That's where I got it.
Last thing here, a couple minutes.
So Holocaust, you got slavery, okay?
We're not comparing two different tragedies.
So that's not what we're going to be doing.
We're not sending you into which is wars, which is this.
I'm not doing that.
I would.
By the way, I believe in gradations of evil.
Slavery is despicable and evil.
But in the final analysis, you could at least live.
In the final analysis, the Jews weren't slaves.
Jews would have given their right arm to be slaves.
They were exterminated.
There is a difference, and people need to know that.
I do make moral distinctions.
If we don't, we lose our humanity.
That's not the question I was going to.
My question wasn't that.
My question was going to be: why, after such a dramatic event that happened to Jews, okay, with the intentions of wanting to eliminate every single Jew on the face of the planet, right?
This is what Hitler's vision was, right?
Why is it years later, after a crisis like that, what values and principles helped Jews pretty much own Hollywood, do well in business, do well in life?
Oh, I'll tell you, I have the answer for it.
They didn't see themselves as victims.
It is the most paralyzing thing in black life what the left is doing to blacks.
The left hates you, blacks.
No, they don't hate you.
They have contempt for you.
Telling you you're a victim is paralyzing.
Jews did not walk around thinking they're victims even after the Holocaust.
Why not?
Because they knew it is completely self-destructive.
How did they know?
I don't know.
It's a great.
Well, maybe because of the Jewish tradition has always been: we take responsibility for our own suffering.
So why wouldn't the media try to target the Jews to make them feel victims?
How come they didn't succeed with Jews?
The media doesn't have contempt for Jews.
It has contempt for Jews.
Why not?
Why not?
Because the left has contempt for blacks because they use them.
They don't use Jews.
Why can't they use Jews?
If they can use any sect, they would do it.
So why can't they use Jews?
Well, Jews are, I mean, Jews are disproportionately on the left.
I mean, there's no way around it.
So in effect, there's no need to keep it.
They already have a victim.
In a sense, yes.
I got you.
I got you.
Interesting.
I'm sorry to say.
Well, I don't want to hold you up a step.
So, first of all, I love being with you, which is why I woke up God knows when to get here.
I really do.
It's a joy to be with you.
And number two, I do want to just tell people, if they are not familiar with my work, I do a weekly thing for PragerU called the Fireside Chat.
It's a podcast every week at PragerU.com.
And among my books is The Rational Bible.
If you are convinced there is no God and religion is nonsense, it is written for you.
There are three volumes.
Pick anyone you like.
We're going to put the link to all of it below.
We're going to continue with the podcast.
So, gang, hang tied.
We're going to go another 30 minutes because I don't have my Zoom till 11 o'clock.
But Dennis, appreciate you for coming out.
This was fantastic.
As usual, every time you come and you speak, you give a complete different perspective.
And this was fantastic.
Thank you so much.
Yes, anytime.
Anytime.
So if you want to walk out, you can walk out.
All right, fair enough.
We're going to continue, though, gang hanging.
Bye, everybody.
Dennis Breaker, just leaving the podcast.
Thank you, really.
Great to see you in person.
I got to make that list that you're going to be talking about.
Character out.
Character.
All right.
I look forward to reading that.
Let's continue.
Guys, you know, I've had the privilege of speaking to Dennis multiple times over the last 13 years.
Every time this man speaks, you just get a complete different perspective.
And, Sue, you're still listening to this.
We love you.
You're awesome.
Have a great day.
I wish I could see you, but maybe next time.
So let's get into it.
Let's get into some of these other things.
With you, when you heard about, Tom, with you as well, when you heard about the classified documents, if you want to just move over here, when you heard about the classified documents with Joe Biden, how much of this with Dan Bongino's argument about saying the fact that there's no way, and here's a perspective, when I kind of put it into context, like think about your part of Biden's camp, okay, and you find classified documents.
What do you do?
Imagine if your Reagan's camp, Clinton's camp, Bush's camp, Trump's camp, any camp, what do they do?
Just assume what they're going to be doing.
Wouldn't they say, hey, Mr. President, you got some classified documents here.
Can you please take these to the office or put in a save?
This is not the place for it.
You understand what I'm saying?
Which is kind of like, sure, can we just take this back to the White House and not leave it here?
It's just a very basic conversation.
Because someone found it back in the day.
Yeah.
Like, can you see the visual?
The car backs up and your own camp says, oh, oh, Mr. Biden, President Biden, you have that.
No, we have to report this to FBI.
It's a very confusing thing to see that happening.
So what are your thoughts about what's going on with the documents?
Well, look, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I just look at who's speaking, what are they saying, and I interpret it.
And right now, there is what you would call friendly fire coming in.
Number one, any rational advisor to the president, your personal attorney, whoever it is that noticed this, or the people that were working with you at the Penn Biden Institute, where you clean out the office, and they're like, hey, in that closet there, was there some reference documents in here that maybe need to go back somewhere?
Because you've got some documents in here that appear to be government stamped.
Why are they still here?
I mean, someone would have cleaned out the office, because it apparently hasn't been there in four years.
And there's stuff there.
So the number of people that could have given a good comment to the president is significant.
There's probably a dozen or more people that had direct knowledge that could have said, hey, maybe we should call somebody to get these things picked up.
Number one.
But number two, look at where this is coming from.
This is coming from, I mean, Omar was on a talk show, and she brought it up.
And the talk show host tried to go with the talking point and defend Biden.
And she goes, no, no, no, this is a significant thing.
I think there's opportunist, friendly fire coming in that doesn't want Biden to be the candidate.
You know, it's crazy.
For me, the same thing with Harry when I said, why would you write a book trashing your family?
And years later, you're going to have this backfire on you and your kids are going to write something about you.
When you do this to the opposing side, you're going to see months after what they did to Trump, first time ever for that to happen to Trump.
It happens to you now.
It backfires.
Now, Garland has to keep the same standards or else his seen as what?
He's seen us they're targeting a candidate to eliminate a candidate, which that's definitely not going to be good.
Look going into 2024.
But wouldn't you think they would be saying, hey, nothing to see here, nothing to see here.
Merrick, just chill.
Nothing to see here.
That's usually, that's usually the playbook.
But they're not.
But they're not.
Look at the Democrats that are out there that said Merrick Garland has no choice.
And they were saying this before Merrick Garland says, hey, I'm thinking about it.
It's been going on.
It's been going on for a week.
You know, that the number of people is escalating.
So you just ask yourself a question.
Why are so many friends of Biden or Shumi?
Why are so many people that are on the team, that Democrat team, why are they coming out and saying that?
Yeah, I think one thing, if you go back and revisit the interview that Biden did with, I think it was 60 Minutes at the time, he's like, how could you be this irresponsible?
And that just kind of keeps playing in my head.
It's like, all right, Joe, do you want to answer that exact same question to yourself there, Chief?
So we'll see what happens here.
I mean, one thing I will say is that whether it's Trump, whether it's Biden, I don't think anyone's going to have any legal ramifications from this.
Is it video playing right now?
You know, Trump has the, he's able to kind of duck and cover under the fact that he was president at the time.
Biden is the current president, although this did happen as VP, but I think Tom brings up a good point.
Democrats are looking for a soft landing to be like, Joe, thanks for your service, buddy.
You know, the whole reason, the whole premise of why Joe Biden became elected president, whether you agree with him or disagree with him, was the fact that he at least had a decent moral compass.
Hey, he's just, he's, you know, good old Joe.
He wasn't doing anything wrong.
We don't know that, but that's how it was told.
Exactly.
Marketability.
He's not Trump.
Basically, he's the anti-Trump.
He's been in Washington forever.
He's a good guy.
You should trust Joe.
But slowly but surely, you know, the larger the lens, the deeper the lens of being in the Oval Office, you realize, what's all this stuff with Ukraine going on?
What's this Hunter Biden laptop thing going on?
What are all these things that you actually did that you're accusing Trump of?
Uh-oh, not so fast here.
So I think Tom is right.
I think there is a sort of a loud and proud faction at this point.
Since they got through midterms, it wasn't a red wave.
They're like, hey, Uncle Joe, thanks so much for everything.
You got the orange man out of there.
You did a great job.
You're going to be a one-term president just like Jimmy Carter.
Time to hit the road.
P.S., you're 80 95 years old at this point, mentally.
Thanks for your service.
Let's move on to 2024.
So if this happens, so here's a question.
Who will be the first female president?
If there was a bet in Las Vegas, which I don't know if there is or not, let's search it to see if there is.
I'm sure.
Who will be the first female president?
Do you think it's going to be a, meaning a Kamala Harris where he gets ousted before finishing his term?
Or you think they're going to let him finish his term before Kamala becoming the...
Even if they try to impeach him, let's just go down.
Let's go down that road.
Because you said this is going to be the year of investigation.
Sure.
We started off the year with investigations.
Voila.
Keep in mind, the Dems own the Senate.
So even if the House tries to impeach him like they did with Trump multiple times, Ukraine, this, that, the other, Russia, the Senate is not going to vote to impeach Biden.
That's not going to happen.
Or it's not going to, the House might raise it, but the Senate's not going to pass it.
I think it's 60.
Yeah, 63 or 60, some number like that.
Yeah, percent.
They're not going to get it.
Senate.
Out of 100.
Not even 50.
You're saying that's correct.
Yeah.
Correct.
When you put a Supreme Court judge on, I think it's 51%.
I think it's 60% of the Senate has to vote for the impeachment.
Back to your original question.
God forbid we see, barring anything out of nowhere, I don't see Kamala Harrison.
What's more likely to happen?
Let me just ask this question.
Is it more likely for him to resign?
Is it more likely for him to finish his term and then say, yeah, I'm not going to run.
I'm going to step aside.
Or is it more likely for him to continue his term and run for 2024?
What is more likely out of those three things?
I think the least likely of those three things is him to step aside and just like resign.
Yeah, I don't see him resign.
This isn't a resignable offense.
Agree.
So you agree with me?
Thanks.
I don't know.
I think it's too early to tell.
That wasn't a joke.
I think it's too early to tell whether he's going to run for 2024 or not.
He says he will.
But is this the type of incident that will pierce the armor so much of the fact that he won't even want to run?
I doubt it.
Once you've been in politics this long, it's very hard to be like, all right, Joe, just give it up, buddy.
I think even on even on the clearly on the right, they want Joe out of there.
But even on the left, there's such a yearning for a younger, more attractive candidate.
And look, I'm no fan of Gavin Newsom, but he seems to be being groomed to be that next spot.
So I don't, I don't.
Although, remember, Gavin Pelosi and Biden.
Gavin Pelosi.
Okay, go ahead.
Gavin and Pelosi and Biden got together, and then Gavin made public statements with Pelosi, and he said, I will not primary him.
I will not run against Joe Biden.
I'm not going to primary this president.
And that was just, what, six weeks ago?
And when has Gavin Newsom ever not lied?
Right.
I suppose.
Gosh, you know what?
I need to rethink this.
I think the least likely thing is that they pull the rug to the point that Kamala is president.
I think that's the least likely thing.
I agree.
I think the most likely thing is you said pierce the veil.
I think that's a good way to put it.
There's a veil with a sitting president, and you pierce the veil so somebody can get behind there and say, look, no politician has ever said I'm retiring from the highest office in the land.
You are.
Yeah, that was my next question.
What's the last time that an incumbent president did not actually run?
Not when.
I'm not saying that.
When did they not run?
When's the last time that happened?
I believe it's Lyndon Johnson at the height of the Vietnam War where he said, I will not seek and I will not pursue my party's nomination for president.
So it's LBJ after he took over after JFK, after he won to get a length.
Yeah.
Because he served two terms at that point.
JFK's served one and a half.
Correct.
He served the half.
Then he was re-elected in 64.
And then 68, I believe it was LBJ that said, I will not seek and I will not pursue the nomination.
It was a famous, like almost trembling speech he gave on television.
He looked bad.
What do you think, Pat?
As far as the question you asked about odds, Kamala running female president Biden, is that what you're kind of predicting?
You know, they asked Draymond Green the other day, hey, what do you think with your chance of being a golden state warrior long term?
He says, no, it's inevitable.
My days are numbered.
He says, I'm only going to be here for.
He says, I understand the business of this game.
He says, I understand there's business with the NBA, and my time is coming.
And I'm probably going to be playing elsewhere.
This doesn't mean I would like to be a career Golden State Warrior, but I don't think it's going to be happening.
I think I'm going to be going to a different place.
And then he explained the pool story.
He says, one day I will tell the real story that nobody knows about.
The only thing you guys know is me punching him.
But anyway, so that's a different story.
The writing's on the wall, right?
Okay.
You know, yesterday I watched Brady play.
It's very hard to watch the game.
It wasn't easy to watch the game.
Because, you know, everybody who was a Brady guy was rooting for a win.
He did not look good.
Don't get me wrong.
If you didn't watch the game and you just go look at the stat sheet, you know, 39 for 57, I don't know the exact numbers.
It could be 37, 459, 352 yards, two touchdowns, one interception.
It was not a good game.
That's comparison.
It was not a good game.
The extra point guy missing it four times.
That was the bigger story because that's, you know, which was.
Has anyone ever done this since 1930, whenever the first season of the NFL was 32 or 39, hasn't happened since then.
But you watch and you're like, okay, is this guy going to come back?
Is he going to come back or is he going to go take his $360 plus million dollar contract that he got and just go do TV, right?
He's going to come back next year, you mean?
Is he going to come back next year?
I don't know if it's a good idea for him to come back.
Who's he going to listen to?
His wife definitely didn't work out, cost him his marriage.
His best friends, I don't know.
In the camp, he's got a lot of good people in the camp, but a guy like that is someone, can someone really tell him to stop?
Yes.
Now, to compare Brady and Joe Biden is like the worst example to use on what you can do there.
But there is timing to stepping away.
And in the world of politics, whether you like this guy, I don't like this guy.
I don't agree with his policies.
I don't think he's a leader.
But if you're competing in the NBA, you're competing to win a what? Championship.
And then if you're competing in the NBA, you're competing to win a championship.
And in the finals, you become a what? Finals MVP, right?
What is considered the finals MVP in politics?
Being the president.
He's become finals MVP.
There's only 46 finals MVP in the politics.
He's one of them, okay?
He's probably the worst finals MVP, maybe one of the worst finals MVP.
Top 10 candidate for worst finals MVP, right?
But the moral of the story is: guess what?
Out of 113 billion people who have ever lived in the world, out of 330 million people living in America today, you are one of 330 million people that became, you know, no, you're four or five of whatever living right now that became one of the finals MVP becoming the president.
Someone needs to sit down and say, look, you need to step away.
I would like it to not be through the manipulative games for this person to step away.
Make sense?
Because sometimes you think you're bigger than the game.
You no longer take counsel from anybody.
And Tom, the person we had lunch with yesterday was given a very, very, very interesting perspective.
One of the most influential people in politics the last 50 years.
I'm sure you would agree with that.
Incredible.
He gave very good insight.
This whole thing right now is on one person.
And you know who it is?
Jill Biden.
Joe Joe.
It's all on her.
She needs to kind of sit down and say, babe, Joe Biden.
It's on her, not Joe.
It's on Jill to say, Joe, go announce immediately you're not running in 2024 and you're stepping away.
Okay.
Because the last way you want to, I guarantee you, if he went out there and said that, 90% of these issues would go away.
I'm telling you right now, I'm convinced if he was to go out there and say, I am not running in 2024, you would see very quickly this disappear and go away.
And that's a better way to leave than, no, I'm going to run.
They can't do nothing.
No, they're going to keep finding shit on you.
If you've been in politics for 48 years, you have so much dirt on you, and they got a list of it.
I'm willing to believe there's somebody behind closed doors that they have one job.
You know what their job is?
They have a file on 1,800 people in politics ever and every single dirt on them just waiting to see when to use that dirt.
And they have a number eight dirt.
They have a number four dirt.
And they have a number one dirt.
This is not Joe's top 10 dirt.
If they want to use this number one, it will not be career ending.
It will be legacy ending where the last name Biden, people will, the name Joe will go from being the most common name that kids give their names to Joe going on the name drought for two decades, okay?
If they pull up that number one thing.
You're saying that there might be more hidden.
There's not.
There might be.
There is more.
If that is the case, why didn't they use that already?
Or why didn't they use that?
They don't need to use it yet.
They don't need to use it.
You know, why didn't they use a lot of things on JFK?
You know, why didn't they use a lot of things on...
The part of which Trump was the most annoying person for the left is because he didn't give a shit.
Because he would own the dirt.
Yeah, like, you know how he's talking about, I ask him, I said, what's the worst label you can give somebody nowadays that's career ending?
Racist.
Guess what Trump says about the labels?
I don't give a shit.
That is power, though.
That is power.
Every one of these guys gives a shit.
He does not give a shit.
He doesn't sit there and say, you know, it's not going to be.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, no problem.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, but how about you?
How about this?
How about Crooked Hiller?
How about that?
The way he was a counterpunch, he ruined politics.
He ruined these people who had been game in politics for years.
He ruined them, the swamp.
This guy, Jill is in charge right now.
Jill needs to make a decision to talk to her husband.
And Joe needs to come out in the next two, four, eight weeks and say, hey, after long conversations with my wife and after a visit with the doctor, the doctors ask me, it is not a good idea for me to go another four years.
There are plenty of other great candidates in America like Newsom like this.
He needs to give that message written in the follow-on way, looking down at a piece of paper where he is edifying and indirectly, you know, endorsing the next four, five, six, eight different candidates.
And then he's going to say, I will do my part.
That's the greatest honor of my life.
I will finish this term and we will support the next Democratic candidate to become the president.
That's what I foresee happening.
Anyways, it may not happen, but that's what I'm saying.
Let me get your opinion on something, Pat.
So you're familiar with juxtaposition, right?
Yeah.
So like, so here's my question.
If Trump runs again, obviously, which he's already declared, don't you think he's rooting for Biden to run against him?
Meaning, there's nothing, speaking of juxtaposition, the last thing that Trump wants is a young, fresh Gavin Newsom.
Just like the last thing Biden wants is a young, fresh Ron DeSantis.
Like, what would be more alarming and shocking than 82-year-old Joe Biden up on stage debating young, fresh, energetic Ron DeSantis?
Polarity and duality and juxtaposition would be crazy.
Same thing with even a Trump and our friend Newsome.
Like, don't the two of them kind of want each other?
I don't have my thoughts, but I'll let Tom address it.
I don't think Joe Biden would want that.
I don't think Donald Trump would care.
Because if you're a winner and you believe in yourself, you're like, whoever gets in the ring, I'm coming.
And I think that is what you see in Donald Trump.
Donald Trump hasn't won anything since 2016, Tom.
Yeah, but here's a question for you.
Here's a question.
When Brady lost the Super Bowl to Philly, did he stop being a winner?
He didn't win for seven, eight years.
You know, the longest drought Brady had because under Wes Welker, Wes played with him for seven years.
They never won a Super Bowl ever.
Really?
Never, never.
Wes Welcome never won a Super Bowl.
You know what Belichick called West Walker one time in a conversation with him?
You know who Wally Pip is?
Wally Pip was at the time the greatest New York Yankees first baseman, and then he missed one game one time because of a headache.
You know who replaced him?
2,200 games?
Lou Gehrig.
Okay, Lou.
So, anyways, so meaning West Walker was replaced by Edelman, and it was game over.
It's a very epic scene everybody has to see when Belichick pulls up to what's his name and says, hey, do you know who Wally Pip is?
No, he says, you may want to look up a Wally Pippas.
Wally Pip missed the game one time.
Lou Gehrig took it over.
And he says, it looks like we just had a Wally Pipp moment right now.
He whispers it to Wes Walker.
But going back to it, I want you to think about this.
Think about the three most painful events you had in your life.
You don't need to say publicly, just think about it.
Okay.
How quickly did you recover from it?
That's the question.
Okay.
Think about the most painful, humiliating moment of your life and how quickly you recovered from it.
Now, if you're emotionally there and you're thinking about that moment, the day they're raiding Mar-a-Lago, Trump is golfing.
I want you to actually think about this.
So imagine you get a call.
Hey, Mr. Sawsnick, they're raiding your place.
Yeah, okay.
What do you mean?
I call the lawyer.
Call this.
Call that.
Okay.
All right.
For once again, actually emotionally go there.
The average person, when that happens, cancel the game.
I got to go.
He's like, nah, let's finish the game.
He loves golf.
It's not about he loves golf.
This isn't about he loves golf.
You could love basketball.
You could be playing a pickup game.
You know, he could be playing badminton, right?
It could be anything.
It's the fact that the average person overreacts and he just moves on and he plays his game.
And there isn't any game that you're going to play worse in than golf because it's small little stress levels.
The ball is going to travel one way or another.
This is why, you know, guys who are dealing with the kind of personal issues they were dealing with and winning tournaments, you sit there and you're like, how the hell can you do that at the levels that you do?
So the point to your question is, I don't care who I don't think he cares who he faces.
I think he thinks he can beat anybody.
I didn't tell you he's going to.
I said, that's his mindset.
He thinks he can beat anybody.
He thinks he is the guy to beat.
And to be even a little bit more specific about it, he thinks somebody else has his job right now that doesn't deserve to have his job.
In his mind, that's what he thinks.
He thinks this is his job.
He has to finish this term.
And they took that four years away from him to make America great again.
Whether the populace believes that or not, that's what he thinks.
That's what I'm convinced he thinks.
When you meet people like that, it takes very few people to understand who that person is.
One of the greatest quotes of all time that I have in one of my vision boards: if a lion could speak, the world could not understand him.
You can't understand the lion.
The average person is impossible to understand the lion.
It's not possible to understand why would Jordan be the way he was?
Why would a guy who is constantly wanting to win and wants that to be the way?
Why is Brady?
Why is Brady still playing?
Can you imagine this year?
He goes through a divorce.
Right after his divorce, he goes on a 3-1 streak.
What would the average person do that goes through a divorce?
Tom Brady has taken time off for personal reasons.
The average player would do that.
Didn't happen with Brady.
And he finished the season.
Love him or hate him.
This is probably the most dramatic year in his personal life.
Not career, you know, the flate gate, all this other stuff, personal life.
The guy finished the season.
I don't care he had a bad ending.
He got finished the season.
There are people like that, and Trump's in that camp that he likes these types of things.
He doesn't hide from it.
And I know it's not what a lot of people want to say because right now what's most popular is trash and trash and trashing.
By the way, the other part with this whole thing that's going on right now with Biden and Trump, they're trying to eliminate two people.
Okay.
So if you eliminate two, take these two out.
Take Biden and Trump out of the equation.
Who becomes president?
You have probably.
Let's play this game.
So again, eliminate Biden and Trump who's president.
Well, the most likely two in terms of current playing field would be Newsom and DeSantis.
However, if people keep forgetting about Michelle Obama.
Okay, so now let me get the other one.
Take Biden out, leave Trump in, who becomes president.
Let me ask the question one more time.
Take Biden out.
Trump is able to run.
They don't do anything to Trump.
But Biden is saying he's not going to run.
Who becomes president?
I think Trump would beat Newsom, but he would not beat Michelle Obama.
Okay.
So let's take Trump out.
Let's take Trump out.
Biden runs.
Trump is not running.
Who becomes president?
DeSantis.
Wow.
Like that.
Yes.
I think there's just such a yearning in this country for if you're 75 and older, thank you for your service.
Peace out.
I think there's such a yearning whether you're on the left, you're on the right.
There's such a major advocacy on the left and especially on the right to get Biden the hell out of there.
And the same rules apply to Trump.
And that's why I think there's this, like, Gavin Newsom has done nothing in his career.
He's ruining California.
Why the hell is he at the top of this list to run for the Democratic nominee?
It's because he looks the part and they're just grooming someone to take the place of Biden.
For all we know about DeSantis, he's done a way better job than Gavin Newsom.
But there's such a yearning in the country to be like, that's the new guy.
And whether Trump wants to step out of the way or not remains to be seen.
But I'll always revisit that people want these 75 octagenarians out of there.
And DeSantis has his flaws.
I'm saying if Biden is pushed or he pushes and he's the candidate and DeSantis gets the nomination, I think DeSantis can beat Biden, but DeSantis himself is not a perfect candidate.
DeSantis would mop the floor with Joe Biden, mop the floor.
And sadly but true, I think Gavin Newsom would actually beat Donald Trump.
Oh, Gavin Newsome beats Donald Trump.
I think so.
Yes.
When you go to Miami this weekend, go with security.
Okay, I'll do my best.
You just said that because if you're not.
Again, I'm not a fan of Newsom in the least.
I just know how these Democratic operations work.
Have you seen a couple months ago when Michelle Obama had a hard time endorsing Joe Biden?
A lot of people have had that.
But did you see that or no?
I didn't see that.
You haven't seen it?
So if you go to YouTube and just type in Michelle Obama on Biden, just type in Michelle Obama on Biden.
It's a short.
She was kind of cornered by the question and how she kind of threw it.
No, no, just go to YouTube.
Just go on YouTube.
Yeah.
And then just type in Michelle Obama on Biden.
It's 16 seconds.
Michelle Obama on Biden.
He's hard to defend.
It's like stumbles.
Yeah, the first one right there.
Watch that and press the audio so everybody can hear it.
One time.
Do you hope that President Biden will run again in 2024?
You know, I will have to see.
How many eyes was that?
By the way.
I think I heard a giggity in there.
You know what's my biggest thing with that?
I mean, Michelle Obama, your husband was a two-term president.
You've been in politics your entire life, pretty much.
You mean to tell me your publicist didn't give you a list of possible questions they're going to ask for you to answer the way you did?
That's the number one question.
What do you think they're going to ask?
By the way, I think you need to have a canned result.
Well, you know, I've known Joe for a long time.
He was a great vice president.
I think he's doing a great job.
I look forward to endorsing him.
You have a canned response.
Your canned response should not be, uh-oh, get it.
He's done great for this country.
I think he's done this.
He's done his best.
Yeah, I think that was a canned response.
Yikes.
Pat, can I just circling back to our 30 seconds?
Circling back to our guest, Dennis Prager.
There's something about him that's just very unique.
He's a very calm presence.
By the way, I think he's very good for you.
You think so?
If you knew his background, you're more him than you know.
Thank you.
Meaning, not in a way.
I'm not sitting here saying you're as well-read and as wise and you were the guy at 14 years old that you were going to fight evil.
I didn't say that.
I just think there's a lot you can pick up from this guy.
This would be a person that if you're going to study anybody's content, this guy would be one of the guys to add to your list to study.
I agree.
Well, I've been studying Dennis for years.
And I thank you for putting me.
Me and Dennis Prager.
I don't sound like a Dennis Prager.
Don't get too cocky, man.
I meant it in a different way.
But my question to you is, what is it about him that resonates with you so much?
Listen, for me, you have to know a great conversation to me is what porn is to a 16-year-old kid, to a two-boy.
That's what it is.
I just love great conversations.
To me, whenever I'm having a very high, high, high-level conversation, I'm having a great time.
There's nothing like, there's something very unique about a very good conversation, and you have that every single time with Dennis Prager.
Anyways, gang, I'm on the road this week.
We're traveling all over the place.
He'll be doing stuff.
I got nothing going on.
I'll be on the road.
I think, Rob, are we doing podcasts next week or no?
We are.
Is it two times next week or just once next week?
I believe next Tuesday we have Brett Weinstein, and then Thursday we have a home team podcast with Mike Baker.
Oh, really?
Brett Weinstein's going to be on.
Yes, next Tuesday.
That's right.
So that's the date.
Fantastic.
Yeah, we've been talking here and I so I'm looking forward to that.
Anyways, gang, have a great week, a great weekend, and we'll do this again next Tuesday.
