PBD Podcast Episode 228. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Bryan Callen, Adam Sosnick and Vincent Oshana.
3:22 - Reaction To Klaus Schwab's Scare TACTICS
10:49 - Reaction To Greta Thunberg Being Arrested In Germany
23:09 - The Dark Side of Davos: The Intersection of Prostitution & Short-term Thinking
38:55 -Reaction to Melinda Gate's Reason For Divorce
55:48 - Why Joe Rogan Is Great For Society
1:10:52 - Brain Callen Opens Up About His Meeting With Sammy The Bull
1:15:45 - Reaction To Steven Crowder's Feud With Daily Wire
1:23:08 - Brian Callen SLAMS Justin Trudeau's Governance In Canada
1:27:41 - Reaction To Donald Trump Defending Vaccines
1:53:07 - What are the most important things in life?
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Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.
Why would you pet on Goliath when we got bet David?
Value payment, giving values contagious.
This world of entrepreneurs, we get no value to hate it.
I run, homie, look what I become.
I'm the one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right.
So episode number, what are we on, Rob?
228 with a B-back.
With a B-back.
Now, Adam's Vinny, by the way, thank you for turning Vinny's mic off.
You know what?
I appreciate you, Jorge in the back.
Okay, you're back.
So I thought it was going to be for two hours.
No, but anyways, Brian Callum is back on the podcast.
Drasviti.
What does that mean?
You're getting hidden with some Russian, dude.
Do you really speak Russian?
I know.
Who said I spoke Russian?
I know what Kharacho means good, but that's all I know.
What languages do you speak?
You do?
Yes, or you.
Sorry, guys.
I go that easily into French.
Now I speak.
German or no?
No.
I wish I spoke Spanish.
Yeah, that's the way I'm saying.
That's porque tetani.
I love my own amigo.
That's not bad.
Adam's good.
No, Adam's good.
Adam's good.
According to the bio, there was Russian there.
Is that where you're going with that?
Yeah, I think.
Russian?
Yeah.
We also do walk.
That might be me lying when people say, what do you do?
And I say things like, I'm half Cherokee, you know, all that stuff.
Back in the day, I used to just say whatever.
By the way, how was your visit to Davos World Economic Forum?
What was it like?
Tell us about it.
I'm just curious.
Well, I. What's the climate like?
We met in the middle of the Arctic and that's all I have to do.
You're in Gravity.
By the way.
You'll find out.
You'll find out.
Did you see, did you, have you seen something?
Okay, so for the people that are on, we got a lot of things we want to go through.
Steven Crowder, we saw what happened with them in Daily Water's reaction.
Maybe we'll talk about that.
Anti-aging, have you seen the new thing that came up?
Anti-aging?
I haven't seen the new thing.
I've been following this.
I have friends who are obsessed with the longevity thing.
And my thing is, you want to live past 100.
You ever see what a 100-year-old person looks like?
You look like the kind of thing you put on a porch at Halloween.
It doesn't get better than that.
It's not like you're 100 and you go, can't wait to live another 20 years and look like this.
By the way, band-aids on their face.
Can you imagine the guys at Davos?
Everybody's like, have you guys already figured it out or no?
We need an anti-aging stuff like right away.
Because it's only got to be for us, right?
Did you guys hear about the Beyoncé $24 million deal or no?
For one hour.
For one hour in Dubai?
No.
You haven't?
Okay, we'll talk about that.
She's performing in Dubai for one hour.
They paid her $24 million for one hour.
Wow.
And then I'm sure you guys have a lot of feedback and commentary on the new beautiful Martin Luther King statue, which is just a work of art.
It reminded me of David Beckham when he was first gifted the fake statue and it was like a prank.
Oh my God.
They were playing on him.
I don't know if you've seen that.
It's sick.
I haven't seen this new.
And then we got Facebook and Instagram officially.
I know you were very happy about this, that Nipples are now found.
Now you play Nipples, and I got bailed for doing something, whatever.
Yeah, so again, a lot of stuff going on, but did you see, did you see the speeches at Davos?
I didn't see.
I've watched some of it.
You know, my thing about Davos and all of this is anytime you get people who have gotten to where they've gotten, there becomes this idea that here we are, the Philosopher Kings, and we are going to remake society on our own.
Philosopher King.
Yeah, well, that's really what the Republic, Play to the Republic, was about.
And that's something that all of us have to avoid.
There's this tendency as soon as you get into a position of power or whatever you're doing that I'm a little smarter than the masses, the average.
And I think everyone has that.
That's what the founding fathers in this country warned us about.
It's very easy.
It's very easy to think that we, because we're educated, we know what's better for you.
And here's why.
I think the biggest threat is you can't read about life and hear about life and understand life.
There's a thing you get when you're an entrepreneur and you had to build a business from the beginning because you make all these mistakes.
And more importantly, you have to be in tune with relationships and people.
You should know people that work with their hands.
You should know people who are in the military.
You should know people who listen to sports radio because those are the people that keep things running.
And they understand.
You should know people who know how to grow things in the ground.
You know, the coasts are very condescending to the flyover states.
But the coast would starve without the flyover states.
Do you know much about moisture and how to predict rainfall and when to lay your crops?
There are a thousand things that a farmer or somebody who gets their hands dirty knows that somebody who has their PhD in comparative literature in Boston at one of our elite universities will never touch.
And that's a very important thing to understand.
And here's the biggest reason.
The people who at Davos are think tank wonks, economists, or academics, usually including politicians, but also journalists, especially the ones you hear about, they don't pay a price for being wrong.
Ever.
Okay?
We do.
If I'm not funny or I can't keep things going, I don't, you know, my show is empty.
And that's the way it is.
And I like the way you were typing.
You should always take notes when I talk.
And that's called respect, everybody.
Do you see that?
If Patrick does it, you should too.
Man, I'm just full of clips.
Call him's on fire.
I'm on fire.
Can you pull out this clip?
I just want you to.
I'm going to take myself a little too seriously.
I have to stop myself.
No, no.
But by the way, what you just said is purely what meditations and Marcus Aurelius talks about in his book.
It's the only thing he wrote.
And he talks about that.
There's a reason why he was loved is because he never took himself too seriously, being the guy that he was.
And he was the most powerful man in the world at the time.
Powerful man.
Think about that.
Yeah.
Are you referencing the story where you had the slave follow him around?
Yeah, we talked about this two podcasts.
And so, Pat, if you guys could just really briefly, for somebody that doesn't know, like Davos is what?
Just all the smartest people coming up to try to figure out how to run.
I love it.
See, this is the people that work with their hands.
This is the people that work with him.
He doesn't even know what Davos is.
Hold on for a second.
Give me some coffee.
Yeah, I got a little steam up.
Work with their hands.
So Davos is a city in Switzerland.
So Davos is not a conference.
It's a city.
Gotcha.
Davos, Switzerland.
And World Economic Forum, they get together.
To them, Klaus Schwab is the founder of World Economic Forum.
I want to say he started it in the 70s, by the way.
And he's been at it for a while.
It had a completely different name at first.
It was called the European Something Something Union.
Can you, World Economic Forum?
If you go, yeah, European Management Forum is what it was in 1971.
This guy started it, just so you know, he started eight years, seven years before you and I were born, six years before you and I were born.
So he's been at it for a long time.
And somehow, some way, he has now got the control in the ears of people like Justin Trudeau, people like Joe Biden, presidents, prime ministers around the world that are following his lead.
Okay.
His lead and the fact that Pat, like world economic, I know it's economic, but how to run things.
I just want you to hear, this sounds like a movie.
Just watch 10 seconds of this just to kind of see how this is motivational speaking on steroids.
Listen to what he says.
Dear friends, scientifically, this is not a climate crisis.
We are now facing something deeper.
Mass extinction, air pollution, undermining ecosystem functions.
Mass extinction.
Really putting humanity's future at risk.
This is a planetary crisis.
Pause it.
Okay.
So this is scaring the shit out of people, number one.
That's their goal.
It's a great way to get your attention.
100%.
We're all going to die.
Did you ever go to church?
Did you ever go to church as a kid where the pastor, you know, would baptize in a follow-up way?
If you don't give your life to Christ, you will go to hell.
Let me tell you what hell looks like in hell.
You'll be burning.
Your skin, imagine temperature firing.
You're like, holy shit, sauna's hot.
I don't want to go to it.
And you're like, you know what?
I'm going to put that water.
Go ahead.
Whatever it is.
I'm willing to get baptized in every possible way.
So it is a very effective tactic to get the world moving.
But they unify together and they talk about, you know, Al Gore said we should spend more money talking about climate change and we should start defunding money that opposes anything with climate change.
And some of the stuff they're talking about, you're just like, you know.
I think it's theatrics.
And I think that, you know, first of all, I had Peter Zion.
If you had him on this podcast, I had him on my podcast.
Everybody's talking about him right now.
I had him on my podcast.
I read his book.
And, you know, he's a global strategist who he would be hired for years.
Like, so if you wanted to grow soybeans, if you had a company that grew soybeans, you wanted to know, he knows the moisture, the rainfall in Brazil.
He knows everything about everything when it comes to the minutiae.
And he was breaking down the fact that if you think we're off fossil fuels, if you think that any of these countries are going to go it with just solar or hydro or whatever it is, that's adorable.
That's actually adorable.
It's adorable.
You think our agricultural section, you think you're going to grow food without, you need irrigation.
Guess what?
You need gasoline to pump those fields.
You need for herbicides and pesticides, those are made with natural gas.
Same with fertilizer.
I mean, the fossil fuel print is crazy.
I drive around in a Tesla, okay?
When I bought that car, when I bought it, the lithium battery is made on a coal grid in China.
When I bought it, before I got into it, I had already polluted.
It was like driving F-150, 55,000 miles.
Yet in California, I get to be in the high occupancy lane because I'm not polluting the environment.
It's a joke.
This is a funny joke.
Until we come up with, what's going to get us out of this is not regulation, top-down regulation from the Philosopher Kings.
What's going to get us out of this is innovation in material sciences and things like that.
Again, he's writing things down.
No, because you just gave me a thought.
This one meme that to give a visual to certain people.
If you can pull up this meme, Brian just made a very good point.
So, you know, this whole thing with the great Greta Thunberg, you know, with the actual, you want to talk about theatrics?
Yeah, she's apparently getting an Oscar out of it.
Hey, and the two German cops got less supporting.
Play this real quick.
Look at how much fun she's having.
Look, look at this.
Okay, let's act like I'm getting arrested.
Yeah, hold on.
Wait, look, is that dirt on his face on purpose?
He put coal on his face.
Look at this.
She looks frightened right now.
You see that?
Yeah, you know her chap lips.
Okay, ready?
Other camera guy, make sure the lighting noise out there.
The road's wet.
Look at that.
They're gripping her really hard.
Yeah.
She looks like she looks like she has a lot of solutions.
You know?
Yeah.
But you know what?
The fact that this is effective, people fall for.
And she's got 6 million Twitter followers.
Pause it.
Go to the meme that I, the meme I just texted you.
You'll see.
It's not online.
And even Graveyard.
The fact that this video is out, we all see it.
It's circulating.
It won't even budge anybody.
The real people that believe in it are like, what do you mean?
She was just waiting for the power.
I think it would.
I think it would.
I don't think so.
Dude, that thing got 12 million views.
That clip got 12 million.
Now, watch this year.
This is the stolen my dreams on my channel.
Paying that cobalt for your electric cars fast.
That's the best, me, my person.
Is that not the best?
Well, that's what she doesn't understand.
That's what she doesn't understand.
You know, and my thing is that you can scream and shout.
They can have these theatric meetings and things at Davos.
But at the end of the day, economies are going to do what economies do.
And, you know, we don't have right now an alternative.
So sorry.
Yeah.
You mean alternative to what?
Exactly.
Green is not here.
Oh, alternative to our.
I mean, if you talk to people that really follow this stuff and get into the minutiae, you don't want coal?
Really?
Okay, give me, are we going to burn wood?
Just tell me what we're supposed to do.
Tell people to stop.
Here's the biggest thing.
The developing world is not going to stop being poor because you want to save trees.
That's the truth.
They want to get out of their situation.
You know, it's like somebody in, who was it?
Warren Buffett's grandson or son.
Warren Buffett gave his son a million dollars, a billion dollars, a billion, and said, go change the world.
And his son was a farmer.
So he went to the Congo and he tried to, and I had him on a podcast, he tried to kind of like teach them farming practices, but the Congo had been ravaged by civil war, of course, as we know.
And the guy said to him, he said, you know, and then they were trying to save gorillas and stuff.
And the guy goes, my family's not going to starve for a gorilla.
And it sure as heck isn't going to starve for a tree.
That's just the way it is.
You're not going to stop human beings from trying to get out of their shitty situation.
And, you know, so I think the only way to get out of this is to innovate our way out of it.
Innovation is always the way.
I just don't think that, you know, you have to have some legislation.
Of course, you have to have some regulation.
But come on, man.
At the end of the day, it's not going to get us out of this thing.
Let me ask you guys a question.
This is really mostly for you two, only because you just found out about what Davos was about seven minutes ago.
I use these.
I use my hands.
So the whole concept is that it's these public-private partnerships, right?
So you have governments and what is it, you know, thousands of heads of states or hundreds of countries, heads of states.
Sharing ideas.
Like how do you respond to a pandemic that's global?
Things like that.
Well, yeah, correct.
Meaning, like, so you also have these private companies that, I mean, I tend to trust those companies more than governments, right?
I mean, private companies, corporations care about the bottom line shareholders.
So I tend to be like, all right, you guys kind of got something on.
How do you think we've got to the point where we're only recognizing some of the negativity surrounding it?
Like the theatrics, the drama.
It's fine.
But meaning like they, like, you don't have an organization.
And I'm not, I don't defend the World Economic Forum.
This is just opposing.
Those people are money.
Can I get to the, let me ask you the question.
How do we get to the point where we're not even highlighting any of the good?
And do we even know any of the good that the World Economic Forum has done?
You don't do this for 50 years and do no good.
That's the question.
I'm more just wondering, like, what have they done?
You look at this list of people who are here.
This is the who's, who's listening to them.
Of the world and America.
The senators.
I think people don't know them.
So there's this thing, you don't know them, so it's a party you're not invited to.
The minute there's a party you're not invited to, and they all get there in their private jets and they're all powerful people.
The idea is how could they ever be up to something good?
But it's the same problem.
I have such a problem with when they demonize somebody like Elon Musk, who's a risk-taking entrepreneur.
And there's this whole thing about if you're an entrepreneur, if you made a lot of money, chances are you took huge risks.
Chances are you worked, I don't know, 18 hours a day for 30 years.
Chances are you just thought outside the box.
And people don't, that just reminds other people of the things they're not doing.
Yeah.
And we all have some of that in it.
So I think sometimes there's a lot of that.
Although I think a healthy distrust of powerful people when they get together and start planning our lives, that's a good thing.
You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think it's kind of a good thing to kind of worry about what are you guys doing there?
And why are you making rules that I have?
Like, what about my voice?
You know, that kind of stuff.
And that's why I think the point you made at the onset of the podcast was so powerful is that you have these elites on the coast.
That's just in America.
Now, extrapolate that to the world.
Yeah.
The elites of the world making decisions for the farmer or the mechanic or the comedian using his hands.
Like, that I think is ultimately your point is that why it's like such negative disdain at these people.
But if you look at the list, it's like, I'd like to know the names of the people that are there to hold them accountable.
Like this, I don't, the Klaus Schaub seems like the, like, if you, if Austin Powers was written in real life and they're like, who do you want to play Dr. Evil?
It's like the German accent.
The German people.
I want to make everybody a machine.
You have machine hearts and machine masks.
So like so him is a you talked about this, Pat, like what a horrible like yeah, face for a company.
But if you look at these people that are there, these are actually the people, movers and chickers you would hope trying to help the world.
It's just I think they do.
I don't think they're out to destroy the world.
I think everybody wants to create the world in their own image.
I mean, I'm sorry, but the Iraq war was that you had a group of people who most had never been to the Middle East, certainly didn't speak Arabic, didn't know much about the, didn't know even the difference between a Sunni and a Shia, and had the hubris to think they could restructure the Middle East.
Babylon, Iraq, been around 5,000 years.
That's a large historical footprint, but we're going to come along and restructure your country.
And it didn't go that well.
No.
But that's.
What is the list, by the way?
Can we see the name?
You keep hiding the names at the top.
I'm thinking like Rob is.
Well, these are Tony is John Kerry, Tony Blair.
Keep going up.
Let's see who is a chief intelligence officer.
Zach Goldsmith.
Richard Moore is my nom du guer.
Rob, you're going the other way.
I mean, you look at London.
I saw Joe Manchin, Christen Cinema.
These are U.S. senators.
Brian Mapper.
Governor of Georgia.
Beyonce?
Okay.
What?
What?
Beyonce's in Dubai.
That's a whole.
Keep going up.
Let's see who else is going to be.
Pritzker, the governor of Illinois, Minister of State Finance Affairs.
Then you see a lot of Ahmeds and Muhammads.
Oh, a lot of Abdullah.
Oh, yeah, that's serious.
Yeah, a lot of them.
There's some money up there, guys.
Yeah, that's the oil money.
Then you see the one guy that gives one guy given a speech, and he says, He says, Look, am I going to be the only one person that's going to talk about we're going to get together at World Economic Forum and we're going to talk about climate change, but nobody wants to talk about billionaires not paying taxes?
Is that like, is that what?
Are we going to do that?
Are we all going to come at a meeting like this and no one wants to pay their fair share of taxes?
He said that at the World Economic Forum.
As a panel.
As a panelist said that, and it was quiet.
He was lifted out, but like, yeah.
Well, they had his funeral six hours later.
Sweetheart of a guy.
He disappeared.
No, no, I'm kidding.
He just died.
Yeah.
He became a bad person.
By the way, that would be such a cloud.
I believe Vladimir Pete.
He just died to do.
Yeah, yeah.
And by the way, we had his funeral six hours later.
I totally believe you.
Yeah, he died suddenly.
He jumped out of a window.
He had sat news.
Have you seen the phone?
Have you seen the speech about the guy at the no.
You haven't seen it?
Anyways, he says this.
He did that at the World Economic Committee.
Patrick, what are you calling out?
What are your thoughts, honestly?
Look, here's.
I mean, first of all, there are no Assyrian names there, so that's a huge problem.
Yeah, we're the problem.
The representation for you.
Look, we have more Assyrian representation here than anywhere in the world.
40%.
And that's two out of five.
That's me and him.
That's crazy.
I know.
That's true.
That's insane, dude.
Go to the top of the list, by the way, if you don't mind.
I'll tell you this.
My idea with a meeting like this that they have.
Yeah, I mean, listen, here's all you got to know.
Pretty much every country, the most powerful people are there.
Elon Musk is like, I'm not going to a boring meeting like this.
And they said, oh, we haven't invited him since 2015.
They bragged about it.
So Elon Musk says he hasn't been at Davos since boring is an organizer.
He's going to keep going down.
They say, yeah, they haven't invited him since 2015.
So listen, you know, they're defending themselves as well that we don't really want Elon here.
So if you don't want Elon there and he's the guy worldwide, it doesn't give you a lot of credibility if you're trying to save the world.
He's an operator doing it.
I don't have a problem with a meeting like this if there is what?
Debate.
Debate.
Yeah, there is none.
If you get together and the panel all agree, what the hell are you getting together for?
Well, that's a huge, that's a great point.
Because I would say with all these different people, human beings don't agree.
Right here in this room, if I brought up one subject, greatest basketball player in the world, we'd all have a opinion.
So at the end of the day, people don't agree.
And, you know, you have to worry about, you know, one of the things that, you know, James Madison, when he wrote the Federalist Papers, was all about faction.
How do we guard against faction?
Because you have balance of powers and you break up, you have checks and balances in government, but it takes one charismatic leader to get a lot of power and influence and then absorb another faction and then absorb that faction.
Pretty soon, one guy's controlling everything.
That was the biggest challenge facing.
That's why James Madison is a genius and he figured out a way to avoid that.
But I think in this case, you got people who don't speak the same language.
They're from different countries, different cultures.
They don't like each other.
They have competing interests.
So the idea that they're all getting together, like there's this Illuminati.
You know, my buddy made a lot of money and he's in the banking world and, you know, and he wanted to get this huge fund together.
It's so funny.
And he needed, he wanted to get these six billionaires together.
That's all I want to do.
Just in a room so we can, he wanted to create this fun.
He had this amazing idea.
He's made crazy money.
He owns banks.
So he wants to get these guys.
He runs in these circles.
And because I was talking about conspiracy.
He calls me up and he goes, hey, dude, let me explain something to you.
Okay.
I tried to get six billionaires together and I couldn't get them in the same room because they all hate because one guy had banged this guy's wife.
Oh, God.
The other guy had screwed him in a deal.
They all hated each other.
They all wanted to kill each other.
So they weren't going to work together.
And that's probably way more typical, thank God, than it's not.
Now, there were secret pacts in Europe.
I mean, before we had democracies and stuff, a war would start and you wouldn't even know what it was going because the Austro-Hungarian Empire is talking to this group over here.
And they would create these secret alliances.
But I think that that's harder to pull off now.
I hope.
Well, I think the banging is definitely going on because prostitution was on fire in Davos.
It was $2,500 a month.
I don't know if you saw this.
I did not see it.
Did you see that?
Yeah, it was a very Super Bowl of hooks.
There's going to be a bunch of powerful.
Pull up the article, Sex and the Summit, How Prostitution Blooms During World Economic Forum in Davos.
I'm outraged.
Yeah.
Why?
Also a little turned on.
Sex work gets a boost, like every year.
If you can go to the numbers, because we like data here.
Suzanne goes on a 20-minute report of sex worker agency in Argo located 100 miles, 100 summit.
Okay, there it is.
To book one of the sex workers for four hours, her escort company charges around $16.30, while one night can cost up to $2,770 US dollars.
Let me write this down.
Yeah, they have a number.
No, because I want to say that.
1,800.
I want to tweet my protests.
By the way, does anybody look down at that?
I'm totally an advocate for this.
By the way, the go-getters, these girls have traveling all across the world.
God bless them.
Getting out there, being entrepreneurs, saying, I got to go follow the money, FTM.
These girls are going after the millionaires.
Why go after the Tom Dick and Harry's the strip clubs?
You go after Klaus Walk.
You walk to the world.
There's no hate.
Anyway, I don't think they know.
This is a fun fact.
The oldest profession in the world is what?
Do you know?
Prostitution.
Yeah.
Like the oldest job, using your hands, working with girls, prostitutes.
Get that money, girl.
Get that back.
Listen, good for them.
Is there a possible way to find out, man?
Small worth, total net worth of small thinkers.
World becomes forming.
I'm telling you, you're such small thinkers.
Why?
Prostitutes are small thinkers.
Why?
What would you do?
First of all, if you're a prostitute asking for that kind of money, what does that mean?
The only reason somebody would pay $27.70 for a night is you have to be hot.
Oh, no.
And nobody paying $27.70.
So if you are part of the small percentage of women in the world that are hot, $20,000, you're only taking $27.70.
What a small thinker you are.
Go to Palm Beach.
Go to a restaurant called Meat Market.
Yeah.
And find a network.
Stay at the bar.
I guarantee you, show up for 90 days.
You will lock up a billionaire.
100%.
That's the small thinking.
That is a motivational quote.
A lot of them do, I think, if they're smart.
But sometimes they've just got a disaster for a personality.
I would imagine that's harder, easier said than done.
Because billionaires, a lot of times, are smart too.
And they're like, you know, I'm not here for your personality.
But billionaires, what happens to them is when the blood circulates in different aspects of their body, they're not that smart.
So sometimes history has proven that sometimes we don't make the best decision.
Who's ahead are you thinking with this person?
Obviously, none of us here have ever.
We are very one-dimensional, very focused groups.
That's right.
Well, but maybe the prostitutes need like an entrepreneur.
Like, imagine Pat being that, like, the leader of them, like, how their business would fucking skyrocket.
Oh, my God.
Can you do that?
You'd be doing counseling.
No, what would happen is he'd be in jail the way.
Andrew, take that.
I mean, I'll take that back.
That's not worth it.
No.
I mean, you would be the perfect, it would be professional, and dude, it would be a billion dollars.
Ladies, we got to think big here.
I'm not going to say small.
I'm actually being very, very serious.
What percentage, let's play a game here.
Okay.
What percentage of men would you say are eight or higher in looks?
Eight or higher.
In the world.
In this room, me.
Yeah, too.
Don't say you get lost in my eyes.
Yeah.
I'm talking about symmetry or are you talking about shoulder race?
No, no, no.
Shoulder and hip race.
Okay, so first of all, sir.
Okay, let me show you what I'm working with.
Great shape.
Thank you.
Maybe it's world next time.
It's not for it.
It's not for this.
Yeah, yeah.
Different podcasts.
Different podcasts.
At least one out of the four.
Let me say what.
I'm used to doing the ones.
Midnight podcast.
30%?
20%.
30%.
What are you talking about?
Eights or tens?
What are you talking about?
Good-looking guys.
Okay, so first of all, define good-looking guys.
What's higher than 20%?
I mean, look at all the guys in this room.
We're all good-looking guys.
Okay, so what is Adam?
What is Adam and Lux?
Let's not go here.
I have been dry humping him with my eyes since I got in this room.
I'm giving Adam a solid, a solid eight.
Okay.
Take an eight.
By the way, by the way, I'm being so serious with you.
Tell me what percentage is.
20%.
I think it's less.
It's probably less, but I'd say this.
I'd say 20%.
If you look at, like, there are men that are athletic enough.
I'm going to give it a 20%.
It depends on where, but guys who work out that in this, in this, let's just take, let's take Southern Florida or California.
I mean, it depends on where you're at.
I think it's a good idea.
It is 20%.
I was in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
Yeah.
And by the way, you know what I would say?
I have a major pushback on you.
But here's how I process it.
What is an eight?
Let's define an eight.
It just like total patterns.
You said looks, though.
That's where I was going to be blowish back.
Here's a better way to do it, Patrick.
Patrick, a better way.
What percentage of the men actually get laid, can date, where they can go on a dating app and women swipe whatever?
Less than 20%.
I think less than 20%.
I'm going to say it's 20.
Yes.
Less than 20.
20 or less.
Higher than 15, 80, 20 or 10.
They have to be about 20 because otherwise they wouldn't be making this kind of money and it wouldn't be so because women are not as ruthless and physical as men in terms of when they are looking for a mate.
Sometimes the guy can be if he's got, if he's wealthy, if he's driven, ambitious, great personality, those things get you ahead, man.
That's a different thing, you know?
Like there are a lot of guys that aren't, that might be a six, five on paper, but they're killing it because they've just got it.
They're a boss.
So that's a better idea.
I would say it's still 20%.
Where I'm going with this, where I'm going with this is, so looks alone is not going to get you what you want, right?
So you can still have the looks and screw up and not use the looks that was gifted to you because you didn't do anything about the looks.
That's purely genetics, right?
Yeah.
Okay.
Then comes what?
Then comes, you know, market value, what you make, your, you know, purchasing power, whatever you want to call that.
You're making good money, you're making good earnings.
Then it's your body.
You take care of your health.
There's a lot of guys that have good-looking faces, but they don't take care of their health, their body, so they're not, you know, they're, you know, not in good shape.
And then there's communication, persuasion, you know, telling jokes, being witty, being complimentary, being curious.
That's a complete different skill set that you have.
But when it comes down to, you know, women, if you have the percentage, okay, put the percentage for women as well, eight or higher.
What do you think it is?
Oh, that's way more.
You're going to say same percentage?
No way.
I think it's more.
I think women now have technology.
And they've always advancement.
Yeah.
I mean, if I'm not a good-looking guy, I can wear a shiny shirt, bro, and have a nice watch.
There's an industry, there's a medical industry and a fashion industry dedicated to creating illusion so that you look like you cut light well.
I don't have those options, man.
Right?
Oh, stop it, Brian Callan.
I mean, I do, obviously.
But you know what?
Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
But I would say, honestly, women, think about it.
Like when you're at a bar, but that's not a good metric either.
Prostitution is a yeah, because you're about to make a point.
You're about to make a point off your off your numbers.
No, no, because the whole concept of prostitution is, you know, when we were in the army, there was this strip club down from Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
We had this one guy at the unit.
Every month he was broke.
So finally, one of the roommates were like, dude, this guy's an E4.
He's making $1,500 a month.
Okay.
Why is he broke at the end of the month?
He had this one stripper he would go to, and he was convinced.
She promised him she loved him and she wanted to marry him.
Never kissed, never had nothing.
Wow.
But you have to realize he was a four, though.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But she was an eight, a nine that convinced him.
And she probably had 10 of them.
So she's making 10 a month at Clarksville.
Every month he would give her $1,000.
Okay.
So if you're making $10,000 a month in Clarksville, dude, you're rolling.
I don't know if you've been to Clarksville.
There's nothing.
You're the mayor.
Yeah, you're the mayor.
He'd give her a grandma.
A $10,000 a month, and his income was $1,500.
We're like, how are you?
This, bro.
He never got laid.
Never got laid.
Never once got laid.
Two years.
Never got laid.
So he got he by the way, not just laid, nothing.
He didn't get laid, but he got fucked.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're right.
Basically, yeah.
There's a technical term for that type of guy.
He's called a simp.
That is a real life thing.
That's a mark or a mark, that's for sure.
I just, can I just weigh in on this a little bit?
Regard to that, but you can see how Pat thinks now.
I was like, how do we get these trippers thinking like entrepreneurs?
It's like it's cause and effect.
There's a reason that they ended up in this line of work because they probably weren't making the best decisions and whatever kind of shortcuts in life.
But to your point, there's something called the sexual market value.
There's pie charts to this.
And essentially what Pat was talking about.
Within men, how women perceive men, there's an equitable distribution in how they perceive men, right?
So there's the two larger parts of the pie chart.
It's resources and status.
Women are attracted to powerful men, right?
So if you look at resources and status, that's 50% of it.
Then you have personality and game.
That's another 25%.
And then looks and age, another 25%.
So there's this full package that women are looking for in a man surrounding basically game, looks, and money, and wealth and power and resources.
Now, conversely, to your point, if you go on to what men look for in women, there's another chart right there.
It's all red.
The bottom.
It's going to go right below it.
Right.
Boom.
80% looks.
80%.
80% looks.
Meaning, I don't give a shit what you do.
I don't care how you act.
Yeah.
It's all that.
But then there's resources.
Then there's a 20% distribution between age status and personality game.
So meaning like you're not going to bang some old lady because she's rich.
No, I mean, you're going to find some homeless girl in a trash can who's gorgeous and be like, what are you doing in the trash can?
You're familiar with a book called A Billion Wicked Thoughts?
No.
Oh, dude.
Two neuroscientists from one from Harvard and the other from Boston College.
These guys, I think it was maybe, yeah, it was two.
They got access to Pornhub's main server worldwide.
The back end.
So they were able to look at what men looked at.
Oh, my God.
And women, by the way, when nobody else was looking.
Wow.
Okay.
And dude.
Yeah.
I'm like, I got a drum roll coming your way, Callan.
What do you tell us?
So, so the shit I learned, I mean, it's like crazy.
What men look, but but where is so?
Here's a here's a trivia question: where is Gilf porn?
Yeah.
Grandmas, I'd like to fuck.
It's everywhere.
Where is that the most popular?
Where in two countries?
Countries?
Yeah.
It's weird.
Gilf.
Weird question.
Okay.
Is it a well-known country or no?
I think it's America.
One is very well-known.
One is not.
The other is less well-known.
America's more of a milk country, if you ask me.
What, you want the answer?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The UK and Kenya.
They love old people.
Now, why?
Why?
The queen.
Because old people, a lot of times, are your headmaster or your teacher.
Old people tend to take on the role of teaching young children.
You know, in Kenya, your grandmother or an older woman watches the children.
You imprint your ideas onto that.
Wow.
But there are a thousand things.
So how about this?
So what is the where all men, even congenitally blind men, men who are born blind, when it comes to women, give me the one thing, and the blind thing is a hint.
Give me the one thing that they, all men, it stops all men's eyes.
Their voice.
Your eye stops.
You know, these, a lot of the feminists writing about the beauty myth, and it's just like what we've been told, the fuck out of here.
The fuck out of here.
There are certain standards of beauty that cut across all cultures at all times.
What's the one with women?
Like, when you look at a woman, what's that?
Like, when I see a girl, even a blind guy?
Yeah, even a blind guy.
That's my initial reaction is the voice.
Okay, no.
So like sometimes you're like, shut up.
I like a deep voice too, but no.
No.
I was going the opposite direction.
Anywhere I'm a chick.
I work at cops.
I work at jobs.
I got a swimming competition coming up this week.
And that's when we learned.
Adam was gay.
Gay.
Gay.
When he came out of the closet.
A lot more signs before that one that counted.
I was going to say.
I believe in breadcrumbs for years.
I mean, it's such a weird thing, though.
So it's a hip-to-waist ratio.
But how the hell would they know?
They're blind.
So men, when they blind men, when they touch a mannequin.
Lower back.
It's that dip in the waist.
So it's the hourglass thing.
And for whatever reason, maybe that's where your baby sits, right?
But all men, we just go right to that.
You see somebody built like Boxcar Willie.
Yeah.
It ain't going to, I'm not spending a lot of my money on that.
But the $2,700 I'm spending in Davos is going to be on that.
So that's another example.
You got to read this book.
I have a question for you.
I already wrote it out.
Because this is your second time on the podcast, Pat Call.
You'll be back in the first 30 minutes.
You've quoted Plato.
I know.
You're talking James Madison, Federalist Papers.
Onxius.
Do you know who his father was?
Who are you?
You forget what his dad did.
Do you know where he was born?
Do you know who this guy is?
His dad was on the Davos list.
I don't know who you guys are talking about.
What's going on?
I don't know what you're talking about.
Brian, you probably might have, but you might, I don't know.
That might be 50-50.
In LA, there was this guy going around booking comedians to go to an island in South Africa that was owned by a prince, a Saudi.
I don't know if you ever did the show.
They fly you.
The first time I was taking me there.
Well, the airplane ride alone was 10 grand just for us to go business.
It was the highest ending.
I'm thinking maybe.
Oh, I went with a couple other people coming in that you know.
And we go there.
We're performing for our prince.
We go in this room and it's, I'm thinking, you know, 500 people at least, all of his rich people and friends.
It's a room, maybe four sizes of this.
He's in the back with a little light.
We're told, listen, you go up there.
It's only 30 people in this room.
Go up there, do your jokes.
Don't look at one.
Don't flirt with no girls.
Once you're done, get on this bus and leave.
And this guy flew in 30 of the, they're talking about prostitutes, girls from around the world, and he paid them each 20 grand to come in.
Yeah, he entertained them with the show.
We all had to leave because none of us could flirt.
And then I knew the security guard, you know what he said?
Every hour, one girl would come in, boom, boom, boom.
And it was just a revolving door.
And I was like, we were in South Seychelles, South Africa, a little island.
Oh, my God, bro.
And it was just, but like we were saying about money, dude, 20 grand.
So for Davo, these people got money.
Who was the guy?
It seems very Arab.
He was a prince.
Oh, no, he was obviously an Arab Saudi Prince.
But in South Africa.
In South.
No, because he owned the resort.
His name was Jeffari Epstein.
Jeffrey.
That's all I'm going to say.
That's all I'm going to say.
Do you know what that theory on that guy is?
That he was a mossad agent?
I read that.
That makes the most sense to me.
Well, in what way?
Why?
I think that he had enough of these powerful people on a plane.
You get him.
These guys want to get laid.
They come to an island.
Now you got video on these guys.
I mean, I would imagine if I was an intelligence agency and I wanted influence, it's not a bad way to at least have something in your back pocket if you really need a favor.
Did you see the interview with Bill Gates' ex-wife?
And she was being asked about, hey, so, Melinda, you know, we've read and you've expressed that one of the reasons why the marriage didn't work out is the close relationship Bill had with Jeffrey Epstein.
Was that one of the reasons?
She says, yes.
It was one of the reasons.
You haven't seen this?
No, she said yes.
She said that was one of the main minutes.
And then she says, she continues.
She says, what was it that upset you about him?
Is it the fact that he had one too many visits to the island?
She pauses.
She says, yes, but those are questions you're going to have to ask him.
So guess what they do?
They ask the answer.
They ask him.
And they say, so, Bill, right here.
You have it?
Right there.
Just gotta be tough.
Yeah, so watch this.
Not that tough, though, because she's crazy rich.
Oh, I'll bang with her.
I've recorded that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you.
Did that play a role in the divorce at all in this process?
Yeah, as I said, it's not one thing.
It was many things that I did not like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein.
And you made that clear to him.
I made that clear to him.
I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time.
Did you?
Yes, because I wanted to see who this man was.
And I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door.
He was abhorrent.
He was evil personified.
I had nightmares about it afterwards.
So my heart breaks for these young women because that's how I felt.
And here I'm an older woman.
My God, I feel terrible for those young women.
It was awful.
You felt that the moment you walked in.
I didn't hear that.
Yeah.
And you shared that with Bill, and he still continued to spend time with him?
Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was?
Those are for Bill to answer.
Okay.
Class is very clear.
And I'll tell you something about women.
Women can, women, I believe, can sense a bad dude like that.
They can feel it.
My mother's amazing at that.
My mother, I'm telling you, has antenna.
My mother has saved my dad from going into business deals.
Really?
Dude, she can look at a dude and go, that guy's a bad guy.
I got a bad feeling.
Wow.
And that's how women had to survive.
I think women can pick up on energy that we don't because we're not afraid.
I don't walk around worrying about my physical safety.
But there are women.
I think women are way better.
The Israelis use women as bodyguards because they found that if you can teach a woman how to shoot straight, no problem.
And there's some badass women.
So they found that women, they grow up from the age of about 12 years old.
They have to be, I see it with my daughter.
They're very aware of danger.
They're very aware.
Why is that guy over there?
Why is he looking at me for too long?
What's going over here?
They can just sense these things.
Okay.
I read, I read, I wrote a pilot with a woman a long time ago who ran a brothel.
I wanted to do this thing.
It was called the Rub Club.
And it's a great name.
I just didn't.
It didn't come back.
Coming to the next year.
But she was amazing because she would say that when they would come in, she would hug a guy.
So she would hug.
So the guy come in.
Hourglass.
She would hug him.
Yeah.
She would hug him.
And then her friend would hug the guy from behind.
They'd be like, hi.
And what they were doing was checking for weapons.
Wow.
Right?
So you push your body against him, make sure he doesn't have a gun or a knife because you're going to get robbed or whatever.
That's the first thing they would do.
The second thing they would do is this woman could tell immediately if this guy's a freak.
She could tell immediately if he was dangerous.
All of them could because they had so much experience with this.
Like the way he walked in, was he moving his arms?
Was he very stiff?
Was his body, what was his body temperature?
So, you know, when somebody like Melinda Gates sees a guy like that and she goes, I had a bad feeling, man.
Listen to that.
My mother, my dad was going to go into business with this guy, right?
And, you know, they're playing golf.
And the guy, nobody was looking and he kicked his ball.
Now, I cheat at golf all the time.
And I'm going to lie about my score 100%.
But you're going to know I'm lying.
You're going to see me cheat.
I'm not going to actually go.
I'm not going to.
This guy looked around and just went.
He just touched it like that.
My mother saw that.
My mother goes, if you put this money into this deal, I'm going to divorce you.
Who are you talking about?
She goes, I watched him cheat.
And he goes, everybody cheats at golf.
He goes, no, nobody cheats when they're really trying to get away with it.
Anyway, long story short, he ended up in jail.
I'll tell you his.
Oh, shit.
I think what you're referring to is women's intuition.
They do have that sense.
And I think you highlighted it is that as guys, if we're going into business with somebody or networking with somebody, it's, yeah, whatever, bro.
I'm a dude, whatever.
A girl literally, once she walks out the door, like we do the whole, okay, phone, wallet, keys, balls, got it.
All right, good to go.
A girl's like, all right, I got my mace.
I've got my purse.
Like, there's another level that women have to go to for safety and security.
And that intuition, since Caveman days, has to be a part of it.
Great point.
And you know it.
Here's my question, though.
So she, this happened fairly recent, right?
But the Epstein thing, he already killed, suicided himself in jail.
What do you think was her motivation to finally, because dude, this relationship with Epstein was way back in the day.
What do you think was the deciding factor for her to say, let me open my mouth now?
Because what they got, Galene, and she might open her mouth or something.
First of all, you're thinking getting a divorce is easy.
What do you think a divorce is?
You think a divorce is like, okay, no problem, like a breakup.
We're good.
Scored away.
All right.
All the best to you, bro.
Okay.
Tell your mom, awesome.
Loved her cooking.
But I'm sorry, man.
You know, it is what it is.
And my dad's going to miss you.
You know, he loves you.
Good luck.
I'll see you at the, you know, whatever.
That's not a good thing.
It's not a casual divorce ever.
But divorces, you know, take years before a divorce happens.
When a divorce happens, a divorce has been in the works for five years, three years, eight years, sometimes 10 years, right?
You know, how many times, like I'll sit, you know, over the years, we run an insurance company.
So we see a lot of people being married and some that work sometimes, don't work 22 years.
You watch these guys and haven't been married for 13 and a half years, myself, four kids.
Families, you know, that's a very hard thing to do.
But you'll see if there is kids involved, if there's a charity involved, if there's business involved, if there is other responsibilities involved, if there's certain legacies involved, if there's dirt on both sides involved, if there is, it's a very, you know what it's like?
It's kind of like business partners.
You start a company together with your best friend.
Hey, Johnny, let's do it.
50-50, bro.
Let's go take over the world.
Awesome.
Then you start the business.
And then six months into it, he's like, hey, bro, just want to let you know, I'm going to take the month of August off because the wife and I, we want to go to such and such.
What do you mean?
Yeah, bro.
I mean, I'm going to go, dude, what are you talking about?
We just started a business.
I know, but it's our business.
I'm going to take August off.
And then for Christmas and New Year's, we're going to Davos, you know, to go there for vacation.
So then you're like, all right, hey, by the way, I think we need to hire that two-person, but you spend $300,000 to hire two executives.
Dude, that's a waste of money.
Why would we do that?
A year, two years later, like, oh, shit, I made the biggest mistake of my life.
Your best friend officially became your best enemy.
But try breaking up to 50-50.
Good luck.
You know how many mediations I've done as a consultant between two business partners?
Really?
We had one upstairs just a couple months ago.
They're sitting.
It's just like a marriage divorce.
So I said, so can I do something here?
Yes.
I said, first of all, tell me what you respect and why you guys went into business together.
So I write it down.
You'll feel the same way.
Yeah.
Okay.
What got to the point of you guys not wanting to be in business together?
Can you tell them exactly how you feel?
Do you receive it?
Can you tell them exactly how you feel and boom, zero to 100 in no time?
And then they're going, they're going, they're going.
And you got to try to figure out it'll bring them down and say, can we get it on paper right now that these are the terms?
This is what we're agreeing on.
Lawyers, boom, You're hoping one is willing to sell at $1.2 million his shares to the other guy and the guy's going to run with it.
Or, hey, I'm going to leave.
You keep it.
I'm going to start a direct competitor to you and you cannot come after me.
And I'm taking three of the employees.
You can't keep everybody else.
It is very, very ugly.
50-50 partnerships are very hard to break apart.
Divorces are the same exact way.
So this divorce with Melinda and Bill probably was in the works for 15 years.
Do you know how they did it?
Do you know the process?
I hope I'm not speaking out of turn, but I think I can say it.
So his best friend, they got on a boat together, all of them, all three of them, and with his best friend.
And they basically, the best friend mediated the whole thing on a bank.
They were on a boat.
In the middle of the ocean.
Bill and Melinda Gates and the best friend.
That's correct, sir.
That is coming from a rather and they just went through the whole thing.
I like the way Bezos did it as well.
On the same day they tweeted, they said, after 25 years, we love each other and blah, But at the same time, we have grown apart and we will forever have three things in common.
We have our kids and we are going to run the foundation and we're going to do this.
And please respect our personal life and, you know, I did that with my marriage.
My first marriage, like, this is the mother of my children.
I didn't need a lawyer.
We went literally to arbitration just so we could figure out.
But for me, I was like, you know, you're more important.
You and the kids are more important than I am.
Let's be honest.
You know what I'm saying?
Pat, I have an idea.
Speaking of this arbitration, I'm getting to this, like, you know, by the way, we're trying to get him married.
Now, you scared the shit out of him, bro.
Are you dating or you're about to get married?
No, about to come out, Brian.
Thanks for watching.
No, I'm not saying.
He's saying, who's the lucky guy?
The truth is, he's turned on by your voice.
I know that.
Brian, count.
I don't know why you're saying that.
But I'm just picturing you doing the arbitration.
Like, so what are we going to do about the airline, Miles?
I don't know.
Maybe I'll take a few.
You'll take a few.
I don't know.
There were just two crazy kids getting hacked up over here.
That point.
Exactly.
We're doing the same thing.
Go ahead and quailude for me, baby.
You shut your mouth and you're talking to me.
I'm just seeing the whole everything with a wedding crowd.
I would wish I was like a fly on the boat of the Melinda and the guy.
Just like to a point, it was like $2 billion, more than $2 billion, but $2 billion.
Just carving up $100 billion.
Carving up $100.
I'm just talking about a number like, no, I want this extra $2 billion or no, this $3 billion.
And Bill's like, listen, Melinda, you see that fucking ocean?
You'll be fucking shark food.
Let's keep it at one.
But here's my question, though.
How long has she been sitting on this?
I know all your secrets.
Just for a second.
Just for a second.
$104 billion.
So just for a second, $104 billion.
I've done this before.
I've done this a thousand times.
When you carved up your $100 billion with your ex?
Yeah, that was.
Yeah, that was really hard for me.
Yeah.
It's amazing how you've been able to maintain this.
It's been, I'm so down to earlier.
I'm so down to earth.
But you know what it is?
Not to me?
I worked abos.
And I charge a lot more than 27 because I got my manager right here.
We think big.
We do.
So 100 billion.
I had this math.
There's a book, fun book about this.
And I probably said this on the podcast.
I said it on every podcast, but every time people bring up a billion, how long is a million seconds?
And then I'll ask you, how long is a billion seconds?
Take your best guess.
Don't worry about the balance.
Don't say that.
What do you think?
A million seconds is.
A million seconds is a month.
Good.
A billion seconds?
A million seconds?
Yeah, about a month.
A year.
About a month?
I'll just say three months.
Okay, and what would you say?
A billion seconds.
A year.
A year.
You don't want me to answer that.
I think it's 32 years or some number like that.
What is the number?
You're a mathematician.
It's almost 33 years.
So a million seconds in 11 days, roughly.
Okay.
I was there.
A billion seconds is about 33 years, 32, 33 years.
Think about the difference between a million and a billion.
That's a second, and that's 104.
Yeah, holy.
Do you have any idea how much money that is?
So I said that.
I'm very impressed.
But you're a money.
I got to tell you something about a trillion about it.
Yeah, you're a math guy.
I sat down with Mark.
I said, Mark, is there a very big difference between being a millionaire and a billionaire?
He says, hell yeah.
He said, it's a big difference.
What is the difference, though?
I mean, shit.
Okay, what's the difference between having a thousand bucks and a hundred thousand bucks?
No, $1,000 and $10,000, there's really not a big difference, right?
If you think about $10,000 and $100,000, that's a good difference.
That's a $10,000 and $100.
That's a jump.
$100,000 and a million, that's the difference.
100%.
A million and 10 million, that's a big difference.
10 million and a hundred, massive difference, but a hundred million and a billion?
Shit, that's a- I don't think so.
Really?
So say you got a, you probably, you have a lot of money, right?
You made your money.
100 million ain't what it used to be.
We all know that.
But when you walk around in the world and you want something, you don't look at price tags.
You might look at price tags because you're used to that.
But at the end of the day, if you want to go on a vacation, you want to buy a car, you want to fly private or whatever.
You want to fly very comfortably.
Anybody in your family needs anything.
That is money is not an option.
So you have an equality of consumption that a billionaire does.
There comes a point where how many steaks can you eat?
No question.
So in that sense, I don't know that your life, and Rogan was talking about you, which is, you know, about you have, you have a curiosity.
So you've made your money, but you like talking to interesting people and you like growing and you like thinking and figuring out the world and making sense of the world.
I don't think any of that would change.
Your biggest, you know, so it feels like I don't know that you, where would your life change?
Maybe you'd fly.
Oh, nothing.
Nothing, right?
Nothing.
No.
Listen, the day, the day, you know, today I'm having lunch with one of my friends.
We were in business.
We met first time in sales in 2002.
We went to Hawaii on our first trip and, you know, we're going to breakfast at this place in Hawaii in Kauai, and it's 40 bucks a person.
I'm like, who the hell pays 40 bucks for breakfast?
So we went to the local grocery store.
We bought bread, turkey, and cheese.
And my dad and I, because I took my dad to Hawaii.
So that's that point, right?
But he's asking me questions.
So how was it the day the, you know, the couple hundred million hit the account?
You know, what was, what was that like?
And I'm like, it was a very good experience.
Yeah.
Okay.
When you see that being real, because I've seen 100K hit, a million hit, 10 million hit, 50 hit, but I've not had this hit.
It was great.
It was awesome.
But I was working the same exact schedule the next day, next day.
Same experience.
Because you still need meaning in your life.
You want your relationships to work.
All that stuff, man.
But the gunpowder, you know, at a time like that, it's fun to play.
If you're playing the game, if you're doing it for money, you will slow down.
Brian, I've seen a lot.
You said something very important at the beginning of the podcast, the first five minutes.
You said, you know, sometimes this happens to all of us, the World Economic Forum.
People get together and they think they're smarter than everybody.
I can solve everybody's problems.
And we kind of forget about the fact that, you know, humility and all of that.
We talk about meditations, right?
You want to know real quickly how big somebody thinks?
Let them win something.
Let them get a big check.
Let him get a big victory.
You're going to learn about them very quickly.
If a person gets a $100,000 check in sales, somebody who's never made $50K in a month, they made $50K in a month, you'll learn exactly what happens next 90 days.
If they slow down, it was all about the money.
But if the guy makes 50K for the first time and he comes to work the next day, 7.30 a.m. or 8 o'clock, it was never about the money.
You see a person that has a big hit with a show and let me tell you one video went viral.
I've had this one thing that another guy's like, I don't even know what you're talking about.
I'm coming to do another because I'm curious.
I'm trying to learn.
This whole concept of who wins in any game takes a decade, two, three, four decades.
But then when you see the separation where just 30 years ago, they were at the same level.
Just 20 years ago, they were at the same level.
You realize who thinks the biggest and then credit goes to the biggest thinkers.
Well, that's for sure with stand-up or anything.
Money's not going to help you get funnier.
And success sure as hell isn't.
You don't stay hungry.
You know, one of the things I love about Joe is Joe Rogan is I went and saw him at, I was in Utah with my parents and said, come down, come down to the forum.
You got to see this.
And I'm like, you know, I was 50 minutes away.
I come down and I'm just standing in the wings and watching my friend perform for 14,000 people.
Wow.
Okay.
I was stuck in traffic.
I was going the back way and I was still stuck in traffic.
And I'm like, what's this traffic?
Oh, they were coming to see my friend.
Okay.
So his fame is as big as it gets.
But I got to tell you, man, I got to tell you, what I saw, which is probably going to hit soon, that special is as good as anything he was doing that got him to the game.
Wow.
And that's called hunger.
That he's always stayed hungry.
He's always stayed uncomfortable.
You know, Tyson was talking.
These guys are saying, you're saying $30 million doesn't make you happy?
And he looked at these guys and he said, so he's got these great nuggets.
He goes, he said, God has a way of getting back at you by giving you everything you want before you can handle it.
And I was like, damn, man.
So it's like, it's the same thing.
The wolf at the door is luxury, not struggle.
But that's why, you know, Joe's the goat.
You know, Joe is the goat of this space, period.
You're like, if you, if you're talking, what's the debate right now?
John Jones, right?
The whole conversation.
He's the goat.
And hey, you know, did you hear what he said today?
It was very interesting what he said today.
He says, I believe God put me in this world to never lose.
He says, I am destined to never lose.
He says, I'm a different breed that I'm never going to lose a fight.
That's John.
By the way, that's a pretty heavy quote.
That's a heavy quote.
If he believes that's all that matters, by the way, right?
So Cyril Gonz's new joke.
You got a John Jones.
You got an MJ.
You got a Brady.
You got a Joe Rogan.
Okay.
He's in that space on where he's at.
But Joe, this is the picture, by the way.
I don't know if you remember that.
This is from the 90s.
Look at it.
I just sent it to Rob.
I'm like, show them.
Some square-jawed kids.
Show the pictures.
Can you zoom in or no?
We got to make sure that it's not.
Look at this.
That's you.
I remember exactly when that was.
Where were you guys going?
We were coming back from doing stand-up.
Are you guys in an Uber in the 90s?
No, no.
We were in my friend's car.
I think we were in my friend Marie Misrendino's car.
Wow.
In fact.
And he had just performed.
I think I'd done a thing and he had done like 45 minutes and crushed.
What year did you think this was?
That was probably literally 1997.
I don't know when that was.
I've known him since 95.
No social media.
No, nothing.
No.
Lucky to have a snap.
You know, one of those.
You guys are on your way to a library to read some books.
It looks like you guys are not causing any damage about that at all.
I can't see that happening at all.
Is that LA?
That's the feeling I had.
It was in New York City.
That was in New York.
Swingers movie right there.
That's right.
God.
I remember that so well.
I actually remember that.
It's so weird that I can remember that.
How far were you into your career at that point?
How far was Rogan into his comedy?
I was on a show called Mad TV.
Yeah, of course.
And I can't remember, but I, and I'd done some stuff, you know.
But Joe was doing, Joe was done with, I think he was done with news radio then.
He's doing Fear Factor at that point?
Nope.
Nope.
He wasn't doing any of that.
Yeah, because that was 95 to 97 for Mad TV.
He was doing stand-up back then.
I don't remember what he was doing.
Was there anything about Rogan at that point?
Yes.
That was like, you're going to be the goat of the world.
The fundamental difference between Joe and I is this.
I suffered from wishful thinking and I suffered from something I was very positive and I was not afraid of the world.
I had an upbringing that made me safe.
I never catastrophized things.
I was always like, it'll always work out.
You know, I had an arrogance when I was a young man, which was the idea that I was one of God's favorites in a way.
I worked hard.
I did all right in my life, but I always had this sort of idea that, you know, you don't have to, I always wanted to be the guy.
I couldn't stand sitting a bench in anything.
I had to be, you know, I had to be involved.
I wanted to be the people.
I want to be the guy you're talking about, not that I'm talking about whatever it was.
But I was never as honest with myself.
I was always honest, but not honest the way he was.
He was brutally honest with himself because Joe grew up in a world where he only had himself to rely on.
He grew up in a world that was dangerous from the age of about nine on.
It was only him, man.
And I didn't grow up that way.
So Joe is always afraid of the world.
Joe was very aware of how bad it could be.
It was like being, it was like somebody comes out of war and realizes you're having that, you're complaining about those dinner rolls.
Yeah.
Is that what you're doing?
Talk to somebody who came from a war-torn country and watch how grateful they are, but also watch how hard they work.
Man, fear and the idea that you never want to go back to that thing over there is a very powerful motivator.
So, you know, and he's the kind of guy also who had the imagination and to realize what he was able to become.
He felt his own potential.
And he figured out a long time ago that if I work harder than somebody else, more importantly, if I'm consistent, if I'm really consistent and I'm really honest with my shortcomings, I'll get ahead.
And he was never not intense that way.
But I would say to add to that, the most important thing was probably his brutal honesty with everyone around him and himself.
That guy was never, I remember, I remember when I started doing the Fighter and the Kid, we started getting sponsors and sponsors were coming to us and we had a long conversation about the importance of only letting people that sponsor you be the kinds of brands you believe in.
If you take shortcuts, it's going to be a bad situation.
And we used to call it the pesky truth.
And sometimes we'd be talking and we'd fudge some data.
And I remember this.
And he'd go, he said, yeah.
I asked him a question.
Yeah.
The answer was no.
And he goes, no.
I mean, maybe.
The answer is no.
We would always, you hold each other to account.
And more than anybody else, he was always the guy who would say to me, you're bullshitting.
You're bullshitting yourself.
You're not working hard enough.
Whatever it was.
He was that friend.
You know what's the there's different ways you measure someone's success, right?
Okay, so we're talking about Neil deGrasse Tyson.
He says there are four things on how to measure whether someone's going to be success.
It's what grades in school, you know, ambition, social, how they're good with people, and all that, how they bounce back, right?
Okay.
What else, Kenya?
Hey, how you measure success for somebody who's a great parent?
Well, watch their grandkids.
That's how you measure if they were great parent or not because they raise great kids who raise great kids, right?
One of the ways that it's very, very, it's not talked about enough.
You know the saying, you are the average of the five people you hang out with or whatever, you know, that whole conversation?
Fine.
We give that conversation.
But, but, is it really five?
Or is it really one person in that five that's holding everybody together at the highest level of standards?
And it's that one flipping, annoying guy that you love.
Sick.
That's right.
That one person.
That's a leader.
It's not five.
I am convinced it is not five.
It's impossible to be five.
In the group of five, there's an alpha.
That alpha sets the tone.
And everybody eventually says, he's the alpha.
Whether we like it or not, he's the alpha of the group.
And in the alpha, you try to bullshit the alpha and the alpha says, yeah, you're full of shit.
It's not going to happen.
The alpha, you try to convince, yeah, what about we do this?
Yeah, I don't know about that.
It's not going to happen.
So some people can't take that.
So you sit there and say, screw this guy.
Who the hell does he think he is?
You filter out.
No problem.
You were never meant to be in that group because you can't.
You think you are the alpha.
You're not the alpha.
You wish you were the alpha.
You don't do what the alpha does to be the alpha.
Joe's an alpha.
It's very simple.
Joe's the alpha.
When I was with Tate, I pulled him aside.
I said, listen, I really like your brother.
You know, I really like how he is with you.
You know, Tristan.
I said, but to me, he knows you're the alpha.
He says, you think so?
I don't know if you remember this.
I said, no, I think he knows you're the alpha.
And he gives you that respect, right?
Even with DJ Khaled and who's the other guy with Fat Joe, where Fat Joe says, Khaled's younger than me, but he's the alpha, right?
Each group has that.
If you can find a friend like Joe.
But there are good alphas and there are a bad alpha.
Of course there are no.
There's a difference.
The bad alpha is a bully.
And he's not dealing with the truth.
No, he's not dealing with it.
The good alpha keeps everybody, they keep them in line with the truth.
And it's not about them.
Like he doesn't need the credit.
Like a real alpha doesn't need other people to tell him they're an alpha.
And hey, I constantly need confirmation.
You know, a bad alpha needs constant confirmation.
A real alpha, you don't need confirmation.
The literature backs you up on everything you said there.
Men delineate authority very quickly.
And they had to.
You know, for millennia, we came.
I always have this joke about, but it's true.
With men, there is one, when a man meets another man for the first time, there's only one primary question in the room.
There's protocol.
Hey, how are you doing everything?
But at the end of the day, when a man meets another man, when you strip it all down, when a man looks at another man, the only thing going on in their brains is, could I kill this man?
That's it.
If we're in a room naked, who comes out first?
And everything's the negotiation.
Why you got to be naked?
Yeah, yeah.
Well, because that's how I fight.
But listen, that's my, because it's a free country.
Man, you're a Puritan, bro.
But I mean, that's not.
All right, fine.
I'll naked wrestle with you.
But hunting is the same way.
We came up for most of our history on foot.
We didn't domesticate animals.
We didn't kill at a distance.
For most of our history, we were on foot in small groups with sharp sticks.
You got to be able to delineate authority.
You got to know who's the fastest runner.
Who can actually wrestle that animal if it comes down to it?
Who can run the longest?
You got to know these things.
We do this immediately.
We still have that hunter, that hunter warrior in us.
Brother, you are so right.
Because if you look at the military, hierarchical, right?
If you look at sports teams, hierarchical companies, CEOs, CFOs, COO, boom, boom, boom.
All right.
Men are designed to be hierarchical.
Women are more designed to be egalitarian.
We're all together.
We're all together.
And this is all this.
Love.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I was just at the shot show in Vegas with, you know what that is?
Like the military where they have all the guns.
Guns and shit.
And I was with two dudes I've gotten to know who were in DevGrew, who were in SEAL Team 6.
Wow.
And one of them was in the, like, I guess SEAL Team 6 had a clandestine unit or whatever.
I guess one of them was in that.
Dude, I swear to God, I was having breakfast with him and I didn't know him.
The other guy I've known for a while, but I was like talking to him and he was such a cool guy.
And I said, what do you do?
Were you in the military?
And they all looked at me and go, yeah, until about three months ago.
And he was, you know, sealed.
But what struck me was in a million years, I never would have thought of it.
He was so socially aware and intelligent, intelligent, funny.
But those guys have to rely on each other.
You don't get into that unit without having the love from your brothers.
It's all about the guy next to you.
It's all about the guy to your right and to your left.
And so they have a social IQ that's crazy high.
And they have sort of eclectic interests.
They're really, they're listening to you.
They're into whatever you want to talk about.
If I'm talking about acoustics when I'm doing stand-up, or I'm talking about being able to feel a room, I can see, like, are they mostly white and wealthy?
Are they mostly Hispanic?
I can feel that.
I know exactly what's going on.
I tailor it.
They're in, they're listening.
They're like, tell me more.
They want more.
They're asking questions.
Their attention to detail is ridiculous.
Yeah.
But what struck me about these guys is like, you just don't judge a book by its cover, bro.
If you think big muscles and square jaw is it, no, no, no, no.
Well, I mean, you said you say the first thing men, when they see other men, they say, Can I kick this guy's ass?
Yeah, kill him.
Except if you're a Middle Eastern.
Yeah.
Because Middle Eastern, I didn't give a shit how big you are.
I can bomb this place.
And we're from Iran.
No, nobody builds it.
No UFC guy scares me.
We come from a different place.
I had a Jamaican guy said that to me.
He was like, we'll shoot you, bro.
Come to Kingston.
I'll soon come back.
I'll soon come back.
When I went to Glendale High School, we had a white teacher.
And when I say white teacher, someone's like, most teachers are white.
Not in Glendale High School, because Glendale, everybody's Armenian, right?
If you're a white, you're a minority.
And the white teacher would say, why is it that when Armenians or Persians, when you guys get into fights, you say you're going to bomb this place?
Like, why do you guys say that?
He says, because that like a saying is that like a you can't joke like that.
You know, some kids would get suspended or they would get in trouble.
But if the average guy says that, nobody does anything.
Somebody from Iran says you have to take it.
It's a serious threat.
We're just going to have to yellow to orange to reduce it.
Dude, it's for sure.
There are definitely cultures.
Three Middle Easterns right here talking about bombing the Jews.
Like, hey, guys, gotta go.
I'm average Italian.
What do you mean?
No way.
He just lumped you in.
Now, my Steve Byrne comic got punched in the jaw.
He had his jaw broken by an Armenian guy.
When was this?
He was a cab driver, but the guy was from Armenia, bro.
And they got in the thing.
Steve's a great guy, but he'd have to tell you the story.
But he kind of a hothead.
And I guess Steve said something.
Steve said, Can we take our cab?
And the guy goes, He's trying to finish things.
Yeah, yeah.
And Steve goes, Okay, well, can we do it now?
And he goes, Give me one minute, please.
And Steve was like, I forget this guy.
And I guess Steve spit, but he didn't mean to spit at the guy, but he kind of hit the guy's car.
Oh, God.
Like, or the guy thought he did.
Dude, but Steve wouldn't do that.
Steve was just, you know, I'm probably telling the wrong, Steve, I'm probably telling the story completely wrong.
But so they have words, but what Steve didn't understand is this guy's from Armenia.
He's not going to fucking talk to you, bro.
The guy did it.
The guy went just kind of squashed his cigarette out, like a harbinger of what's going to happen to you.
And he's going, that, and just hit him like obviously a boxer.
Boom.
Oh, he gave him a little two-piece right there.
He had to have it.
He had to have his.
He broke his jaw.
No.
Yeah, dude.
Broke his jaw.
Don't fuck around.
Don't fuck around.
There's some cultures that are going to punch.
In other words, if the Uber has an I-A-N or Y-A-N name, if he's French and he's like, Vat don't change casi la têtem.
Now he probably wants to fuck you.
Hold on, the movement.
Hold on.
And the biggest, don't fuck with anybody that smokes a cigarette or they're covering their mouth like that.
That's my favorite.
Say the fuck over there.
Telltale sign.
It's a sign right here.
If he was like this, he's like, you know what?
I don't want to fight.
That's how Sammy the Bull did.
By the way, thank you for hooking me up.
We spent two days together, brother.
Oh, really?
Saw a bunch of stuff you guys did.
Two days together.
I took him to dinner, did a whole thing with him.
Was it what you expected?
100%.
And more.
But the stories.
Endless.
Dude, when you're sitting there with him and he's got this, he's outside.
He's smoking.
Hey, I never thought in a million years I'd be out here on the beach.
And, you know, I just want to thank you.
You know, you brought me in with your family.
Holy shit.
But it was just like I couldn't.
I mean, this is the most feared guy ever.
Ever.
And that's it.
Oh, my God.
I knew you were.
I picked him up.
I was nervous, dude.
I picked him up at the airport.
He's in a t-shirt, and I'm like, hey, but he's got a sense of humor about it.
He's very funny.
He's the ball busters in New York.
He's a very funny guy.
We bring him.
He's in the studio, the fighter in the kids' studio.
And, you know, Brennan is 60.
I was just going to say shop there, right?
Look at him right here.
He ran.
Oh, shit.
I saw it.
I'm nervous.
Hell yeah.
Look at him.
Dude, I'm talking.
See how much I'm talking way too much.
I don't know what's going to happen.
Look at his eyes.
What's in the bag?
What's in the bag?
So Brendan is there.
And then there's Mark Harley, who's huge, big bodybuilder, big guy, both 240, 270.
And Sammy's looking at these guys, and he meets him.
Hey, how you doing?
Yeah, how you doing like that?
And then there's a pause and they're just standing there.
And he goes, now I'm going to arrest you both at the same time for you.
He's just got, he's great.
Do you remember what Shabbat?
Yeah, I do.
That's why I was like, you know, you can say that, and you got to say that when you're with him.
But maybe he did.
I don't know if he did or not.
But Shabbos is like, you know, there's different types of tough.
Right.
No, but it's fine.
But mind your peace excuse me.
And be respectful.
That's what I'm trying to tell.
Because this is me now.
Sammy, I want to apologize on account of my friend.
He's a loud man.
No harm over here.
What are you going to say about you?
You want to say something about him?
So one day Sammy comes to our house.
This is like a few months ago.
He comes to the house.
He's going around talking to the kids.
Dylan's talking to him.
So he's like, so what's his name?
Sammy DeBull.
I'm Sammy DeBull.
So Dylan's like enamored by his name.
What a great name, Sammy DeBull.
Fantastic.
So he goes to school.
The teacher asks him.
So he says, so how was your day?
He says, well, daddy's friend showed to our house.
I met a Sammy DeBull.
Oh, and he's like, who did you meet?
Yeah, Sammy DeBull.
This is a Christian school.
Oh, my God.
So I get a phone call.
You know, your son cannot say that Sammy DeBull was at your house.
I said, what do you mean he can't say that?
He can't say that because he wasn't.
I said, no, he was at the house.
Oh, my God.
Which Sammy DeBull?
I said, the same one you're talking about.
How many Sammy DeBull are under boss?
Can I ask?
I said, yeah, he came.
He's a person that we have done a lot of collaborations together with.
Oh, I'm so sorry.
I thought Dylan just was.
I said, no, he's telling the truth.
You want to be hilarious?
The teacher.
And then after this moment, the next day, the teacher's like, hey, Dale, where's your homework?
And the kid is like, none of you fucked up.
Dylan finds that.
Sammy DeBull got you.
It's like my son, my son, 11 years old.
I got so mad.
I'm going to go, why'd you lie?
I caught him there.
This is actually when he was 10.
I caught him red-handed.
Why'd you lie?
He's like, I want an answer.
Why'd you lie?
I go, look at me right now.
Why did you lie?
He goes, it's in my nature.
Okay.
You taught me well, Daddy.
He didn't say that.
He did.
He didn't say that.
He did that.
My son, my son, I got to tell you, he's going to be a comic.
This kid, this kid, thinks outside the box.
That's going to be a father.
I'm not far from the tree there.
That moment is a debt.
Do you laugh?
Oh, dude, he kills me.
He kills me.
You have no idea.
Those moments where Jen and I look at each other and we're both trying to prevent from laughing because it's a serious moment.
But you can't do it.
Dying.
I'm like, I walk away.
I'm like, hang on.
I'll be back because I'm pissed right away.
You know what I said?
I go, I'll kick your ass.
I start like, I will kick your ass.
He got me.
He got me.
That must be hard because think about it.
That moment is a very like, because I remember those moments as a kid.
If they break, if they laugh, then like, they're not taking it that seriously.
But it is serious.
But you know what Senna can do?
Senna can go from crying to stopping to laughing to smoke.
She's an actor.
She's more in like genius.
Oh, bro.
She's hilarious.
She's a Gemini.
She's hilarious.
By the way, let's talk about another genius.
How about Steven Crowder?
You guys hear about what happened with Steven Crowder?
I know a little.
Stephen's a friend of mine.
But I don't know.
I don't know anything.
I just saw the Daily Wire gave a response, but it was too long to listen to.
It's like an hour.
Yeah.
Do you have a story on it?
Or do you want me to just kind of say a couple of things on?
So here's what we do now.
Crowder does a video.
For those of you that don't know who Crowder is, he's got 6 million subscribers, a comedian, conservative.
I mean, the guys are rock stars.
Funny comic guy.
Billions are doing Sanita now.
He's touring.
He should.
He should be doing it.
He's billions on top of billions of views.
And he does this 27-minute clip, 28-minute clip.
And when you're watching it, you don't really know who he's talking about, but he's upset about a contract.
And everybody's like, well, is he talking about these guys?
Is he talking about those guys?
He's with the Blaze.
Is it the Blaze?
Is it this?
Is it that?
And then eventually, you know, within a few hours, the CEO of Daily Wire does a one-hour video responding to it, explaining that he was talking about them because the entire market was talking about this.
My phone kept blowing up people saying, did you see this?
Did you see this?
I'm like, tell me what's going on here.
And then, anyways, so apparently these guys were offering him $50 million for four years is what the contract was.
And they're going to end up investing around $100 million into Crowder.
But it would be him having to move everything with them, responsibilities of 190-something episodes per year.
If you miss one, it's this much.
If you get a strike, it's this much.
All these different things that's in there, which, you know, one side is like, well, as a business owner, you have to have that.
The talent is like, well, you know, I think I'm worth more.
You should pay me this.
You should pay me that.
But it all got public.
And there's a lot of different, you know, some are saying, why did he do it public?
It should have been private.
Some are saying, good that he did it.
There's so many people in the talent space that, you know, want to have this be known because sometimes talent gets stuck.
Like, you know, back in the days, rappers or singers that would get a contract and then boom, they're like, you own this, you own that.
And it was, you know, a lot of people got, Sony had an issue with that when they, Michael Jackson one time got up and called that, you know, Tommy McCullough.
I don't know if you remember that or not.
Oh, yeah.
There's a bunch of this in that space.
So we're going to see what happens next with this.
But these are, you know, these are two big names you're talking about.
Who's he underpassed?
He's with the Blaze.
He's with the Blaze.
Okay.
But he's got independent and he's got stuff that he does with the Blaze.
Is it possible, though, that this contract was the first draft that their lawyers gave him?
You know what I'm saying?
Sometimes you'll, in negotiations, lawyers come at you with a terrible deal and then you go, get serious and you send it back.
So I wonder, was this the first iteration?
Did they even see it when they sent it?
You know, you know, so when the company that made an offer to buy us, I'll never forget what he told me.
Best thing he told me when him and I were talking, he has done a couple hundred deals.
Okay.
This guy's name is Brian Adams.
He's the biggest heavyweight in insurance right now.
He built a company, $10 billion company is what he's done.
He's done very well for himself.
And he says, look, here's one thing that you have to keep in mind.
If this deal doesn't happen, it won't be because you and I don't want to be in business together.
It's because lawyers screwed it up.
He says, every time our lawyers get to a point where the deal is not going to work out, you and I have to get on the phone together.
That's right.
It was the best counsel, by the way, on what he gave.
So two weeks into it, our side of the lawyer, the one we had from New York, one of the most feared lawyers in all of America.
And I'm not being like, I've dealt with so many lawyers over the last 20 years.
We've spent, I don't know, $12 million on legal fees, $11 million in legal fees.
So when you're dealing with lawyers, lawyers come in many different shapes and forms.
He's the Sammy Bull of lawyers.
This guy is the most feared lawyer ever.
Wow.
So there is no, how's your day going?
There is no, how's your day going?
Okay.
I'm here to do the job.
Here's what I'm doing.
And he goes at their throat.
Holy shit.
This is the shittiest contract I've seen in my life.
You're trying to take advantage of this.
What kind of a bunch of this is this?
You guys are corrupt.
You guys are this.
And he's gone.
So they call me.
You know, your lawyer just told our 13 lawyers this.
Did you know this?
I said, let me give him a call.
So I call him up.
So our board, we talk to each other and I give this guy a call.
I say, hey, man, listen, I love the fact that you're a pit bull.
You're our pit bull, but maybe try to be a German shepherd for a minute instead of a pit bull.
You're a little bit like, you know.
Yeah.
He said, well, listen, this is what you pay me to do.
This is how I do business.
This is why I'm the best in the marketplace.
And I'm going to stick to what I'm doing.
Wow.
I said, I totally get it.
Go from a 9.9 to try to get to an 8.8 if you can, right?
So he's good for two weeks.
Every two weeks, you got to know it back.
By the way, this one for six months, every two weeks, we had to have a call like this.
Do you know how many times the deal almost fell through?
If I told you nine times, that's a small number.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's not worth it to me.
It was so many times that the deal almost fell through.
So for here, there needs to be, listen, bro, our lawyers work for us.
Your lawyers work for you.
They're going to write up a contract that benefits us.
And your guys are going to fight for what benefits you.
And we're really dealing with 20 different things here.
Okay.
On the 20 different things, you can't tell me all 20 things are important to you.
Neither can I tell you 20 things are all important to me.
I have to tell you what are my five most important.
You tell me what are your five most important and then let's negotiate the bottom, the middle 10.
Is that fair?
Yes.
I don't know if that was, that took place here because once the deal happens, you got to get the lawyers to talk.
If you guys negotiate money, it's a problem.
And again, I know nothing about it.
I don't have a relationship with Crowder.
Your friends, him and I have never spoken to each other.
He's going to be on the podcast here.
Yeah, he's going to be on the podcast here in the next couple of days.
He's coming in?
He's coming in.
Yeah.
So I don't have a, we're working on everything.
Stand up in the area.
I don't know if you know, no, he's not coming for stand-up.
He reached out and we've been going back and forth.
Yeah, we have something set up for next week, which will be announced in here shortly.
Good, good.
So, so, and then I don't have a relationship with the folks at Daily Wire at all.
So it's not like, hey, I'm friends with these guys.
We had a conversation.
I've never spoken to the CEO of Daily Wire.
We've never broken bread.
We've never exchanged email, nothing.
But normally when you see deals like this, the job of Daily Wire is to write a contract that benefits them.
And the job of, you know, Crowder as a big face of getting the type of eyeballs that he's getting is to protect him.
100%.
Let the lawyers do the dirty work.
Once you get involved, it's messy.
Yeah.
I agree.
It's messy.
It's going to be, and by the way, Jordan Peterson apparently tweeted something and then he took it off.
Oh, really?
Yeah, he unfollowed.
He's got a daughter's podcast.
Michaela.
Yeah, Saturday.
I've never met her.
But how does it get to this point?
Like, we're in an eyeball attention economy.
This is pure speculation.
Is any of this for views?
Come out.
None of that.
No.
This is just what business gone ugly and they should have kept it under wraps.
Like, how does this get to the pop culture status?
Unless if your name is, last name is Kardashian, where your business model is for your personal life to be public.
Yeah.
You don't want your personal life to be public.
Okay.
You keep it to yourself.
This is not stuff that you want to be public.
You just don't want to be public and it's public.
Yeah, I would agree with that.
I don't know.
I can't believe, is Jordan Peterson still in this whole mess with People's Republic of Canada?
Yeah.
Justin Trudeau.
Do you have any thoughts on that?
Yeah.
Of course.
I mean, I just think it's a classic example of what happens when government gets too powerful and you have an ideology that believes that they can engineer equality, which really means the only way to do that is by force.
I mean, that's what happens.
If you're going to enforce what you believe to be true, because you figured it out for all of us, because you figured out the gender thing that the rest of us have been living our lives, but you figured that out.
Apparently, your experts have all the answers.
Your experts have all the answers on global warming.
We're going to die at any minute and all this stuff.
And all of this is settled science, by the way.
And all of this is not up for debate.
We'll just stop that.
I can always tell when people don't really have good ideas when they refuse to debate or they try to silence you.
That's always a good indication when they're afraid to actually open themselves up and maybe realize that their ideas aren't fully formed.
Maybe there's a better idea out there and all that.
But, you know, Justin Trudeau's not interested.
What is actually happening with social media re-education program?
How do you think about it?
Is he a COPA of some sorts?
No, he apparently, the board of psychiatrists in the Gutless Board of Psychiatrists in Canada is basically being told that they basically said, you will lose your license if you don't take our course and you have to pay for it.
And then we'll tell you when we think you're better.
It's an outrage.
One complaint submitted the full transcript of Peterson's four-hour interview with Rogan last year, claiming that his statements on faulty climate change models and the dangers of promoting radical gender theory violated the professional code of conduct for psychologists accredited with the OCP.
Peterson stands accused of undermining his profession by speaking on areas well outside his area of competence and making problematic, unethical, and unprofessional comments.
It's amazing.
He's got to take a remedial course on social media communications with a board-issued therapist.
It's like a joke.
It sounds like a joke.
But this is what happened in all these socialist utopias.
This was what happened during the communist revolutions in all the countries, whether it was Yugoslavia, whether it was Hungary, whether it was the Soviet Union, of course.
This is the kind of shit you live in.
Anything with re-education.
So let me ask you, you're saying this doesn't happen in America?
I'm saying this could happen in America very easily.
Right now, you don't think it's happening?
Like, you know how some of these guys are like, well, listen, you know, I was asked to take a six-week class on being an info, and I'm fully ready now to make my marriage work.
You're required to take a six-week course while it's not good to do this or use this or animals or doing that.
Well, I'm less concerned with whatever that is.
I'm more concerned with what they're doing in our schools.
You see, so when certain things like gender theory become settled science, and now you want to teach kindergartners to third grade about sexual orientation and gender before they even have a context for what the world is about.
And someone like DeSantis says, this is not going to fly.
Let kids be kids and figure some other things out first, please.
And let parents deal with that maybe.
And they call it a don't say gay and call it an appalling anti-trans bill, et cetera.
That narrative just doesn't fly, dude.
You didn't think about this stuff until about 20 minutes ago anyway.
So these are the kinds of ideas that are bad ideas that have to be pushed back on.
By the way, what's crazy is it's going to be, you know, we learned one thing just two months ago.
Okay.
Whatever the policies DeSantis pushed, people in Florida liked.
And he went from winning by 34,000 votes to 1.5 million votes.
Democracy.
Okay.
Yeah.
So exactly.
One of them is whether it's parents, whether it's, you know, leave a vaccine out, whether it's education, whether it's all of that stuff that he went through.
Okay.
The way of handling of you decide what you want to do with your body, all these things, right?
Okay.
Did you hear what Trump said today about vaccine and how that came out?
Did you hear the comments?
No.
So Trump made comments, a newsweek story.
I think that's the one right there.
Yeah.
So he says Donald Trump supporters turn on him over vaccine defense sold out so hard.
So go up a little bit, go up a little bit, go up a little bit where he says during a recent appearance on a conservative podcast, Watercolour, Trump praises administration for Operation Rap's warp speed rollout of the vaccine and for helping save tens of millions lives.
Trump refused to get drawn when host David Brody pushed a suggestion that the vaccines were not as safe or effective as medical experts says you have to understand there are pros and cons.
Some reports say that it's the greatest thing that's a phenologist.
And we saved tens of millions of lives.
Then you'll read other reports that say there were some problems with the vaccine, but relatively small numbers, Trump said.
Yeah, well, when you think of the overall number, yeah, of course.
But here's a question, though.
Here's a question.
But you know, you have many reports that the vaccine saved tens of millions of lives, Trump added, without that without the vaccines, you would have had a thing where perhaps 100 million people would have died.
Okay.
That's a Trumpism.
Before I give you my thoughts on this, do you guys have any thoughts?
Because I got some thoughts on this.
What do you think?
On just his.
What do you said?
Yeah.
So nothing surprises me about Trump.
He's a guy who'll say, nobody loves the Bible more than me.
He just says these things.
Nobody loves Muslims more than I do.
So he has this tendency to, what's it called, exaggerate.
But I mean, it's unbelievable.
The guy's unbelievable.
It's in his nature, right?
That's like your son.
I can't stop watching him.
He's either my drunk uncle or my 10-year-old son.
I can't stop watching him because he cracks me up with that because he's just got the gall to do that.
And I think he's aware of that.
But for me, I think a lot of this stuff, like I just listened to Brett Weinstein, evolutionary biologist, Tom Rogan.
I'm not an immunologist.
I'm not a bad physics, by the way.
Yeah.
I'm not an immunologist, vaccinologist.
I don't know anything.
But when you hear people who are not only biologists talking to top-tier scientists in that space and they're casting doubts, but I always say that we didn't know a lot at the time.
A lot of mistakes were made.
There was desperation.
There was panic.
I was always against the blanket shutdowns.
It made no sense to me.
I always had a problem with the idea that masks were going to work.
It just didn't make sense.
I was flying too much and you take them off and you put them on.
I just didn't buy it.
So I'm very wary of all that government bureaucracy.
That's my thought.
You got thoughts on this before I give you mine?
Go for it.
Let me tell you what I think he's doing.
Okay.
So do you guys remember when he first said the warp speed, vaccine is going to be ready in nine months?
Of course.
Do you remember what Biden, Kamala Harris, and everybody on the left said?
I wouldn't put that in my body.
I wouldn't take it.
So let me tell you what he's doing.
People think this guy is like a lightweight, just emotional, all this other stuff.
He is making the left, okay?
Imagine if it gets to a point where the left now starts saying we have to investigate the credibility of vaccine, whether it was the right move to do or not.
And it was all Trump's fault.
Okay.
I don't know if you understand where I'm going with this.
So he may be cornering them to have to come out and say, well, you know, some of the studies shows maybe this is not good for you and heart attack and all this other stuff.
He's a political animal.
He's good.
You understand what I'm saying?
He's a gangster.
Guy is just maybe toying with them to get CNN to respond, to get that clip and say, boom, motive.
I'm going to run with that for the next six to 12 months and tell you you just messed up.
Okay.
What you said was the best thing I came up with.
So either accept the fact that it was done in nine months because of me or realize that it's not good for everybody.
It's on you.
So what do you want to do here?
Pick on shoes.
So it's a double-edged sword game.
He's playing with everybody.
And again, I'm thinking that's the strategy it's making.
What you're saying is he's so crazy, but crazy like a fox.
Yeah, he's very good at knowing what people respond to.
I probably told the story, but I remember that my buddy said, I knew he's going to win when they were talking to him about Romney.
And they go, now, do you think that Romney, do you think the fact that Romney is so rich is a liability for him politically?
And Trump goes, he's not rich.
I'm rich.
You're not going to win that.
You ain't winning that.
And then the best was when Bloomberg was running.
Too short.
And Bloomberg is his thing.
Now, I don't know if you saw what he did.
It was the greatest thing I've ever seen.
It was amazing.
You know that Bloomberg never said, he goes, you know, the problem is, I like Mike.
I like Mike, but he wants a stool.
That's what he's saying.
He goes, he wants a stool.
If you're short, be short.
Why do you need a stool?
You want to be eye-level with me?
You got a stool.
I get a stool.
You know, he didn't ask for a stool.
I'll vote for you.
I don't even like you.
I'll vote for you on that.
I can't deny you on that.
That'd be amazing if Bloomberg didn't even ask for the stool.
Look, here he wants to.
By the way, people are saying he wants a stool.
By the way, the rumor has it that he never asked for it.
No, that's what I'm saying.
He didn't.
That was Trump, dude.
That's a New York thing.
That's a New York ballbuster.
That's when you play touch football with your friends.
You should have seen when I would play.
I had no business beyond the field.
They were all way better.
We've been playing touch football with these, the other teams.
The insults, the New York insults, where the guy would be like, do something.
And my buddy Jimmy would be like, you know, she's all mad at me now because the guy reminding us, she's mad at me because I was bumping her, Raphael.
It's ridiculous.
Stop calling me she.
He goes, now her tits are getting off with us.
And we just kill each other.
Double down.
Double down.
Dude, get your highlights.
You're coming out.
They're just, you know, you're always doing he comes from that, but he's a master at it, dude.
Oh, my God.
He'll find out where you're weak.
You know, some people, there's the thing.
If you've grown up a certain way, you know immediately where somebody, what somebody's ashamed of, what somebody's proud of.
That dude can find out.
He can find where you have a window open in your house and he'll climb into that window.
By the way, you know who else has that?
Jake Paul has that as well.
Oh, really?
Jake Paul has that as well.
It's a very unique gift.
Not everybody has that.
Well, Donald Trump.
By the way, Connor, I'm willing to say Connor, he's not at Jake's level.
Really?
You mean boxing-wise?
Connor is a better trolling-wise.
No, trolling-wise, he's not at Jake's level.
Connor is an entertainer shit talker.
Like, you can listen to the way he was talking shit to Mayweather because he was entertaining.
Of course.
But Jake Paul talks shit and gets under your skin.
It's a very different skill set.
Jake's more Trump.
Connor is more, you know, Connor is more somebody smelling like Michael Jordan's way of talking shit.
He got under your skin.
100%.
He played mental games with you.
He did all Gary Payton was also on a similar level.
Some of these guys hear stories.
Ali.
He did that to Sonny Liston, you know.
Sonny Liston was the most feared fighter in the world.
Sonny Liston, everybody was terrified of him.
Nobody hit harder than Sonny Liston.
And Ali knew that Sonny had been in jail.
And David Remnick wrote this book about this scrape book.
And Ali knew that the one thing that Sonny was afraid of was crazy.
So Ali literally was behaved in a crazy way.
He rented a bus, had a megaphone, and in the middle of the night was Sonny's sleeping with his wife, and he hears, you, you can't, you got nothing on me.
You got, and he comes out like in his window.
He goes, What the fuck is going on?
The fucking guy is, the guy's fucking literally went at the weigh-in, Sonny, was trying to get away from him because he was afraid Ali was going to bite him.
So I don't want that guy to bite me.
I think he's going to bite me.
He might be crazy.
So by the time he got in the ring, he goes, this guy's out of his fucking mind.
This young kid is out of his mind.
Like, he's not stable.
And then he didn't.
By the way, I'm convinced.
And I know, you know, everybody is, there's a lot of people that have, that maybe voted for Trump, that they've been persuaded to count him out.
A lot of people have counted him out.
This is not about you like him, you know, you want him.
This is not about that.
This is about understanding and respecting the opponent, right?
The possibility of what this guy could do.
I'm convinced they are doing whatever they can for this guy not to run because they know there's only one person that knows how to get under everybody's skin on the right, and it's only him.
It's not DeSantis.
They know DeSantis is a safe CEO.
That's who he is.
He's a CEO that'll get the job done.
He's a CEO that'll come and he worked his way up from Congress to governor to president.
So he knows that you have to go figure out a way to broker deals and all that other stuff.
At least he knows our world.
It's going to be a little bit easier to deal with a DeSantis than it's going to be to deal with who?
Trump's never gone to Congress.
DeSantis was in the military.
Military, there's a lot of politics.
Congress, there's a lot of politics.
Governor, there's a lot of politics.
And in presidents, there's going to be a lot of politics.
Both sides, politicians, the career politicians, both sides, 99% of everybody from both sides wants, if there's a Republican, they want DeSantis.
Of course.
They don't want Trump.
Problem is people don't vote in primaries.
Yeah.
That's the other problem.
Exactly.
The most jazzed up people do.
Huh?
Most jazzed up fanatical people.
Those are the Trump people.
Exactly.
So you saw what Maggie Kelly said a couple months ago.
Megan Kelly's like, there's no way in the world DeSantis beats Trump.
No way.
Zero chance.
Definitely not in the primary.
Zero chance DeSantis beats Trump in the primaries.
Zero chance.
Because the most die-hard Republicans vote in primaries.
The rest of us are like, you know, I don't know.
But I think you're right.
The question is, does he have more than 30% of the population?
Right?
Does Trump have more than 30%?
He's got 30%.
We know that.
But the candidates he endorsed, I think all of them lost except for one, right?
So in that sense, it was kind of like, is the shine wearing off?
What's going on?
You know what they're finding?
The Republicans are finding people don't like this election denial stuff.
They don't like it.
When you start talking about election denial, people go, wait a minute, those people are crazy.
Like voters, like a lot of the Republican voters and the independents, which is really what we're talking about.
They kind of go, I don't want to be around.
We talked about this the other day.
So I want to ask you to see what you would say with this.
Labels carry a lot of weight, okay?
And some know how to be like Teflon or, you know, just like Doc, hey, water's off my back.
Nothing's going to happen to me.
What label do you think carries the most weight right now?
Because what you just said right now is one of the labels, right?
Which is what?
That candidate is a election denier.
That candidate is an anti-vac.
That candidate is a, you know, such.
That candidate is racist.
That candidate is a bigot.
That candidate is this.
What label do you think carries the most weight right now?
To hurt you?
Yeah, of course, to hurt you.
What label carries the most weight right now to hurt you?
A candidate or even anybody?
I mean, I think for both sides, wouldn't it be different for a Democrat?
Because they're not really aware of that.
I think abortion is a very big issue for a lot of people.
Anti-abortion and anti- Well, I just think that that Roe v. Wade timing was not good for the Republicans.
A lot of people were just like, dude, this has been precedent for 50 years.
You heard a story about that on why that was done, the way it was done?
No.
So some say McConnell pushed it to be done before midterms because he wanted that for the Dems because he knew how much it mattered to them.
68, 69% of the nation, whatever the numbers, that's for choice.
He knew that was only going to hurt one person.
It was going to hurt Trump.
So he knew that now that is a conspiracy.
I didn't tell you that's a factor.
Some people are saying that you could have waited until midterms to do.
So imagine if they do that in January or February or March.
Why'd you wait to do so?
They forced it for it to be done.
Nobody had to force it to be done before.
So some of the timing.
Speed the room, you know?
But it was a way to show, hey, these people that Trump's endorsing, guys, knock it off.
Yeah, that's a good question.
What label is the biggest liability?
You're saying for Republicans?
I'm saying, well, I mean, Republicans don't put a lot of labels on the left.
What label do Republicans put on the left?
Just woke.
Just woke.
Only one.
By the way, I'm being serious.
Critical race.
Give me multiple labels.
Republicans put on Dems.
Put on Dems.
Not as creative.
It's really.
It's all in that same realm of the woke.
Everything that you're talking about.
But the left is way better at labeling the right because it's just carries a bigger stick because they keep doing it over and over and over again, right?
So it's a two-part question.
One is which label carries the most weight.
Number two, how do you combat against a label?
What is the right solution?
But let's not go to the second part.
Let's go to the first one.
What's the heaviest label?
I think politically, if you look at the midterm elections, it would be election denial.
If you're an election denier, that was a problem, apparently.
If you listen to people, I would say racist.
Once somebody calls you a racist, that's it, bro.
You know, like Trump with the whole Mexico, the border, where he's like, you know, some of the people coming over, you know, some of them are killers.
And somebody goes, he's racist.
Well, hold on.
And I'm just saying.
The thing that's played out, though, I don't think people kind of go, geez.
I think racist is very 1980s, 1990s.
I think at the top of the list, we talk about election deniers, racist, misogynists, sexist.
I think white supremacist is top of the list because under white supremacists, you get anti-Semitic, you get racist, you get prejudiced.
But white supremacy, still to this day, it's like, yeah, that's not the one you want to be known as.
And from my experience, this is from L.A., not before I moved here, but for the whole time during Trump, and every person they put a microphone in front of that was a minority, it was like, what do you think about Trump?
Oh, he's like, he's a racist.
No matter who it was, that label carried the most.
By the way, if you're a pro, if you're pro, if you're pro-life, that is for a lot of people.
If you walk around in LA or certain parts and say you're pro-life or you're voting for a pro-life candidate, it's an act of war.
So that's, I would say, probably the biggest liability.
Okay, so let's go back to 2050.
Let's go back to it.
So election denier, racist, bigot, anti-vaxxer, misogynist, white supremacist, QAnon.
Which one's at the top?
I still think racist.
I think racist.
What do you think?
What do you think, Rob?
Election denier.
It might be currently labeled.
It might be QAnon.
I think so.
Because right now, if you go anti-vaccine, there's enough evidence where you have doubts, but there's not enough evidence that's been presented to sway people who are election deniers.
Could it be QAnon?
QAnon carries a lot of weight if they say he's a QAnon.
He's a QAnon.
The way I'm doing this, just so you know, is math.
So you might have 30% of the country who's like, I'm behind you.
Anti-vaxxer.
Or you might have QAnon.
You might have 10% of the country.
0% of the country is trying to be affiliated with white supremacy.
And if you are, let's pick the top three.
So let's just say you're saying election denier, white supremacist, let's say QAnon, racist, anti-vaxxer.
Okay, fine.
No problem.
How do you fight against these labels?
What is the right strategy to fight against labels?
Because you have to know, as you get louder and you make more noise, what labels has Rogan gotten?
What labels?
Anti-vaxxer.
Okay, what else has he gotten?
Right-wing podcaster, which is the furthest from alt-right.
It's unbelievable.
What else has he got?
These are labels about right-wing podcaster, right?
Free thinker is now a bad thing.
I don't think Freethinker is yet a good idea.
Well, they tried the racist thing on that.
So racist.
Right-winger, that's almost like a, that's, you know, you know, you could, you, you just label that whole guy.
How about this?
So anti-establishment.
Okay.
So which one has stuck with Rogan?
None.
None of it.
So how do you fight when the right-winger thing is?
I was going to say, when you're an election denier, those people double down on that.
If you're pro-life, that's a religious stance usually.
If you're, you know, so I don't see anybody fighting that.
I think that you are labeled that because that is what you are and that's part of your political platform and that's that comes with negative but also positive results.
If you're a Republican, you are going to be pro-life.
If you're Republican, you're going to be, you know, X, Y, and Z. If you are a Democrat, a lot of times we know how you feel about the biggest issue is that we know a lot of people in the leaders of quote-unquote thought, or at least pundits, I can usually finish their sentences.
I know where you stand on most things.
Give me one issue.
You tell me your climate, you think that the globe is warming and that we have to, and human beings have done it all.
I can probably tell you where you stand on a lot of other stuff.
That's a bummer, but it's true.
Right?
So if you got all the vaccines and the booster, it's a personality trait.
I can usually tell that that is your – see, I believe that you don't choose to be a Republican or a Democrat, a liberal or conservative.
I think it chooses you.
I think you have a series of personality traits.
And Jonathan Heights done great work on this in the righteous mind.
But I think that there's no question that's, and what's his name?
Jordan Peterson talks about this too.
You know, there are certain characteristics to your personality that will cause you to lean left or cause you to lean right.
And you can't, you can try to fight that.
Then you have your experience.
You're saying it's the nature versus nurture debate and it's in your nature.
Yes.
If I don't pee now, I'm going to die.
Go for it.
Go totally.
Five minutes.
Go to the left.
Help them go to it.
It hurts.
I already tried to help you with yourself.
Question for you guys when he comes back.
So Beyonce.
Beyonce gets paid $24 million to perform one hour in Dubai.
And who's doing it?
I have no idea what it is.
It's probably a royal family.
I mean, $24 million for one hour.
So here's a question.
Is it overpaid or underpaid?
Over 100%.
But what is it?
Because this is in Saudi Arabia.
Dude, hold on.
She's probably going to overpaid 100%.
Is she going down?
Is that the most anybody's going to pay anybody for anything in the world?
24, 1,000%.
It's overpaid unless she's throwing gold at people.
By the way, okay, so Adam, overpaid or underpaid?
$24 million?
This might be controversial.
I actually think she's one of the most overrated musicians there is.
I constantly ask people, who do you like better, Rihanna or Beyonce?
Because Rihanna makes hiss.
Bang.
But Beyonce has this, what is it, the Bee, the Honey, the Bees squad, whatever.
The Beehives.
I don't know if it's like the Destiny's Child, the Jay-Z, the Mystique.
Play the collateral of her soundtrack.
She's that good.
Play the Adam, you know what?
Watch that.
This is her right now.
She's testing the sound.
That's the hotel it's being done at, her performance.
$24 million for an hour.
Okay.
So overpaid, underpaid.
I'm going to say it's underpaid.
Underpaid?
$24 million for an hour?
Yeah.
So first of all, let's give us the math.
Let's do the math.
So you're not paying $24,000.
Like a guy offered me to speak at an event, international right now.
I get paid $250,000 an hour to speak.
Okay.
$250,000.
I'm like, oh, my God, $250,000.
And we turned it down.
Not because I'm worried about going to Iraq, but we just turned it down.
We turned down 90% of speaking opportunities in the States, $200,000.
And they say, how is your rate $200,000 an hour?
Because it's not an hour.
You want me to go to LA, I'm losing a full day.
You want me to go there?
No, it's $200,000 for a day and a half.
I'm not doing this for $12.
So really, $200,000.
I'm in Wi-Fi, which is Wi-Fi typically doesn't work when you're 30,000 feet in the air.
You can't get the job done.
And so it ends up being $200,000 for a day divided by 12 hours.
It's really only $16,000 an hour.
I can do a lot more than $16,000 an hour.
So if Beyonce is getting paid $24 million for an hour?
For one hour.
First of all, the private jet to go to Dubai and come back.
You know how much that is?
That's a million and a half.
Holy shit.
$2 million fee to go from.
You mean she has to pay it?
You mean in gas and stuff?
Yeah, if you go with a G6 fit, whatever you do, you're spending a million dollars to go to a million dollars?
Bro, for Christmas, we went from here to Aspen and back, that's $150,000.
Wow.
If you're going from here to Dubai 20 hours, Aspen is four hours.
So four, yeah, it's a $600,000 bill is what you're spending.
It's a million dollar bill.
And imagine what jet they're sending home.
So then, who's going with her?
No, the exact.
I've been spending $2 million.
I can't believe that.
This is such bullshit.
Man, I always get screwed.
So meaning that, and then she has to go a day in advance to prep.
She's there for probably three or four days.
It's really not $24 million an hour.
It's $24 million divided by 36 hours.
She's really only getting paid $800,000 an hour.
Yeah, that's bullshit.
By the way, if I was her agent, that's how I would sell it.
That's incredible.
And I would get a $24 million check.
What you're talking about.
We're talking about his opportunity cost.
It's not just the one hour.
I'm going to say, first of all, that's a low.
If I'm telling you, I'm telling you, you want me to bring my talent.
Everybody wants for, she does $5 million in Vegas.
It's a one-hour flight.
Okay?
$5 million right now.
If you want Beyonce to go to perform in Vegas, if she's available, it's $5 million for an hour, but it's a one-hour flight.
Wow.
To go to Dubai, $24 million, I think it was a low baller.
I think Dubai won.
Amazing.
Well, what's the famous story of it?
Could have been a plumber, could have been a lawyer, whoever it is.
They're like, all right, we have a problem.
Get him in here.
And he comes in and he fixes the problem in five minutes.
He's like, yeah, there'll be a thousand bucks.
He's like, you charge a thousand bucks for five minutes.
It's like, you're not paying me for the five minutes.
You're paying me for the 30 years of experience to know what the hell's going on here.
But I can fix it.
Is that what it is?
Because he drew a thing and the woman said, can I have that?
He goes, $24,000.
She's like, but you just, you know, he goes, you did that in two seconds.
He goes, yeah, I know, but it took me 40 years.
Is it the Picasso?
I could use Picasso with a plumber.
Again, I don't know if it's true, but that would be the...
I'm just curious.
I mean, it's not that much curiosity, but Dubai has how many billion the money in Dubai is.
Well, are they going to sell tickets to her performance?
Oh, yeah, so then they'll make their money back.
Oh, yeah.
It's like this.
I can't, you know, I do this podcast for, what, 100 grand?
But that's my give to you.
And that's, that's because I love you.
Thank you.
Because he's been taking those on that.
The whole time.
Because when they offered you five, you're like, no, no, I like him.
I don't even have a changing room.
This is pretty much credit.
It's fucked up.
Yeah, man.
I'm impressed with what you've done, my friend.
You got into podcasting.
What do you think about this crazy podcast?
You're killing it, though.
I mean, I watch you.
You're all over the place, but you're engaging in important discussion and you're moving the needle in the right direction.
And you listen so well.
And it's just, you know, I don't know.
You've stayed so grounded.
You know, you might fly private, but you're hungry.
You're still hungry.
I told you, your tummy's a little tight.
He's looking good.
He's a little tight.
He's looking good.
He's good.
He's got tight belly and heavy arms.
Well, you know, I appreciate that.
But there's a part of it that if you really enjoy it and you're having fun with it, and then you're like, this becomes a game.
And then you ask the question, what are the possibilities?
And, you know, you're meeting all sorts of interesting people.
For me, when I was in the Army, you know, one of the things I loved about the Army?
You were in the Air Force, so you kind of have an idea what happens.
Like for me, I look forward to the weekends because we would be up till 4 o'clock in the morning shooting the shit, playing cards, talking, darts, pool, billiards, and we're just having great conversations, man.
Great conversations.
Who's the greatest coach of all time?
Who is the greatest general of all time?
Who is the best this?
Who was the, what do you think?
What about that?
What about this?
And some of the best podcasts that I've ever been a part of were in the Army that were never recorded.
Wow, that's great.
And if they were recorded today, it would be multiple strikes on YouTube, by the way.
Dude, you know what I'm doing?
It's so funny.
You know what I'm doing?
I'm doing a thing.
So I've got my podcast, but I'm doing a thing now where I have two GoPros in my car and I record the phone calls I have with my father and my best friends who are the most thoughtful people in my life.
Awesome.
And I'm going to put that on Patreon.
I'm going to call it Cruising with Callum.
And I just came up with this idea because I have these conversations.
Some of my friends are so brilliant and nobody hears these conversations.
And I'm learning as I'm talking to them.
And why not?
I'm driving to another podcast.
Why not just record?
This is like part of my life.
And, you know, so I'll have these conversations with my father who's 82 years old and I'm learning things.
And I'm like, I want to put this out there.
Why not?
Do you know, you know what we don't know, which is like the craziest thing?
I'm going to ask you a question and you give me the dollar amount what it's worth to you.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's play this game.
What is a 1952 Mickey Mantle Tops PSA 10 rookie card worth to you?
For me, nothing.
Okay, for you.
That's the point.
But that's the answer.
So the answer is what it's worth to you.
Yes.
Okay.
What is a Ferrari La Ferrari 2014 worth to you?
Yeah, I'm not a car guy.
Okay, perfect.
So what is a to be in a movie, a Scorsese movie with Joe Pesci, Pacino, and De Niro?
What is it worth to you?
Would you pay to be in that movie?
Lifetime goal.
What would you pay to be in that movie?
Whatever I got.
Or a lot.
But look what happened to you.
Whatever you pay on a Ferrari.
Whatever you pay for, Ferrari, you would want to be in a movie with, and you got a key role.
Pesci, De Niro, and Pacino, right?
Okay.
So to somebody, somebody must say, I don't want to be in a movie.
I just want to watch it.
You guys do it.
I'll go and watch it.
I'm not going to be.
Okay.
What is it worth to you to travel to Monaco and have dinner at Le Louis with every living president?
What is it worth to you?
It's interesting.
Five-hour dinner.
What is it worth to you?
A lot.
What would you pay for it?
I'm being serious.
What would you pay?
Would you pay a million bucks to go to someone like that?
I had it, yeah.
If you had it, it would be worth going to a dinner like that, right?
100%.
You ready for the last question?
I love it.
It's a tricky one, bro.
It's an emotional one.
You ready?
Yeah.
What is it worth to you to have 2,000 hours of footage of conversations of your father, grandfather, grandmother?
What is it worth to you?
A lot.
Think about that.
What would you do today?
You know what I would be doing today?
I'd be sitting there glued to the screen, going through 2,000 hours of content, documenting to see what my grandpa was thinking in 1924 and 1941 and 1930.
That's all you'd be thinking about.
What you and I don't know, bro, is that's what our kids are going to have one day.
Grandkids are going to have one day when we're dead.
Yeah, man.
That is emotional.
I think about that all the time.
That is emotional.
It's on the forefront of my brain all the time.
That is so.
And I remember, I loved my grandfather, especially on my mother's side.
And I remember, you know, really listening to him.
I really, when he died, I remember having no regrets.
I remember I said, man, I spent, and I'm going to feel the same way about my father.
I spent so much time with them and I spend real time with them.
And, you know, because a lot of people don't get that in life.
A lot of people don't have a father or they don't have time.
They don't get that chance.
And I'm aware of that.
And, you know, that's one of the things that no matter what I know, when my father goes, I'll know that.
I'll know that I spent all that quality of time.
But to have that recorded.
Oh, my God.
Are you kidding me?
No, right?
Are you kidding?
Every man, they say that most men and women who are historically significant, all of them kept a diary of some kind, all of them.
Almost all of them wrote something every day, which I didn't know, but I read that recently.
But, you know, podcasting, you know, I've been doing this now for I don't know how many years.
It's just a record, man.
It's a record.
I said a lot of bullshit, but you know.
Have you ever watched?
Have you ever watched a movie?
Hear me out.
The question: Have you ever watched the same movie back to back in four hours?
Yes.
What movie?
I mean, for me, it was Raging Bull.
I thought you were going to say porn, but you're saying that.
Yes, that is well.
I had to watch that again.
I liked some of your work, too.
The mail-on-mail stuff.
You like that?
Adam.
No, that was Adam.
Yeah, it was his voice because he likes the voice.
He likes the way he dresses.
Okay, okay.
Oh, Adam, Adam.
Oh, what a voice, right?
He was Raging Bull.
Raging Bull, two times.
Raging Bull, yeah.
And I recently watched Stutz twice, but that's a different thing.
Vinny, you got one?
A movie you watched, same movie.
You know how you put a song on repeat and it keeps playing, playing, playing.
Goodfellows.
I watched, I could do the whole movie.
I've watched over and over and over and over again.
Have you watched the same movie two times in four hours?
Same movie.
1,000%.
Which one?
Goodfellas.
You've watched it.
It's disgusting.
I don't know if you've ever done this before.
Well, number one, anything with Vince Vaughan.
And then shout out to Brian Callan, the hangover.
I could watch that thing.
Bang, bang, bang, bang.
Motherfucker.
You know, that man is.
You know what it is for me?
For me, it's The Judge.
Okay.
It's the only movie I've watched.
Robert Duvall, The Judge.
Really?
I've watched The Judge.
Back to back the back.
I went back on a flight back from Europe.
I just watched it and it's done.
I went to the battle, came back, I watched it.
Why?
What was it about it?
Oh, my God.
Was the verdict changed in the second one?
First of all, Robert Downey Jr. to me, you know how you said intuition and you were talking about women have intuition.
I think it's also for me, it would be people who have seen a lot or gone through a lot of shit typically have intuition.
I just, you know, I can't use the word love with actors, but I can say I love this guy, man.
The way the guy acts and, you know, when he went through his mess and he came back, the redemption.
I mean, he's just such a, so you're watching this movie, and I was telling you who we're talking to today.
I don't want to name drop, you know, our friend.
JP.
JP.
Yeah.
Entourage.
We're talking to him.
And, you know, what I said, you know, when you played Entourage, Ari, you were not acting.
I said, I believed you were that guy.
You know, Robert Downey Jr. did an act in this movie.
It was him.
It was him, and Robert Duvall was his father.
I've had JP help me on acting roles.
He's pricking.
The guy is sick.
You want to talk about a guy who understands it.
Tricking A, that guy.
Because his mother was an acting teacher.
His father was an acting teacher.
Do you know that?
Of course.
His father comes from a lady.
And his sister's also in.
Shira Pippin.
Yeah, she's also done.
She's married to Adam McKay.
Right.
Oh, wow.
Big shorts.
Wrote, wrote, directed, you know, Talodecon Knights and all of them.
All of them.
Wow.
But he's, yeah, that guy understands acting on a deep level.
No, no, he's something else.
But I'm watching this movie.
So there's a scene in there where the youngest brother is like an autistic kid.
He's got something that he's dealing with, not Down syndrome, but he's dealing with something.
And he shows an old clip because the oldest brother, I don't know if you guys have seen this movie or not.
Have you seen the movie?
Have you ever seen this movie?
I never saw this.
Bro, first of all, whatever you do on the flight back, figure out a way to watch this on your phone.
I'm telling you, you're going to be blown away by this movie.
I am not.
Is it a new movie?
Oh, no, no.
No, it's an older movie.
I'm just telling you.
If you're a movie guy, you're going to be blown away by it.
I'm hearing that.
Bro, it's such a sick movie.
I love those actors.
His dad is a judge.
Him and his dad have the biggest following out.
He leaves the small city to go become one of the biggest lawyers in all of America.
Then his mother dies.
He is forced to come back to his mom's funeral.
And him and his dad have the biggest feud.
Because out of the three brothers, the two have the same personality, a dad and himself.
Wow.
And so much is revealed because the oldest brother was a pitcher.
He was about to go into major leagues.
There's an accident.
His arm gets hurt.
Doesn't go into the major leagues.
And the youngest brother, one day, they're in the basement.
He's playing the old video clips of the brothers throwing the ball and he's doing this and he's doing that.
And then the youngest brother plays a clip of the oldest brother's car accident.
Damn.
The dad gets upset, throws it.
Turn that shit off.
Turn that shit off.
Turn it off.
I told you, turn it off.
Then he breaks the camera.
I mean, it's a very, very.
Don't tell me anymore.
Yeah, I don't want to tell you, but I'm just telling you.
By the way, I will watch this movie over and over.
You know what I like to do with this movie?
I like to watch this movie with people for the first time and just watch it reality.
I love this.
This is that movie.
I like to watch this movie with people just to see how you react to it.
Do you know what young actor used to look up to Robert Duvall and mimic him?
Who do you think it was?
A young actor.
You talking about yourself?
Well, that's for sure.
But no.
Not Tom Cruise.
Robert De Niro.
Really?
De Niro's.
He, he, Brando and Duvall.
They used to watch.
It was De Niro and somebody else, but they used to watch Duvall.
If you ever watched De Niro, if you watch, watch De Niro when he laughs.
You know, he does that thing.
Oh, that's such a Duval thing.
Watch Duvall.
Yeah.
Watch Duvall.
You're right.
In his earlier movies.
Yeah.
That came from Duvall.
Wow.
When you watch The Great Santini and he's drunk and he's going, you know, The Great.
Have you seen The Great Santini?
That's that.
Bro.
He has to watch that, Pat.
Listen to me, Pat.
That's about a father and a son relationship.
It's sick.
You got to get that under your belt.
The Great Santini, Robert Duvall.
Done.
Forget it.
Done.
And I put the judge in my.
But I got to see this.
I can't wait to see.
But you know what's crazy too?
As an actor, and I'm a movie buff, and he knows this.
I've never even heard of The Joy.
It's just great.
First of all, I swear to God.
I swear to God.
2014.
So listen, I went to the Breakers and I see Robert Duvall.
I go to him.
I say, hey, Robert, can I just tell you something?
He says, what's that?
I said, in Iran, we watched Godfather in Farsi.
I said, you have to.
He says, grab a seat.
Let me tell you my experience when I went to Iran.
He started telling me these stories.
I'm like, we have a picture to get.
I'm like, you know, just dude, how do you know?
Some people are like, you see celebrities, you're like, whatever.
You interview all these people.
I was like, dude, you're Robert Duvall.
Holy.
You're not just saying it.
You're just Robert Duvall, right?
When you see that.
But when you watch The Judge, I'm like dying to tell you how the movie ends, but I'm not going to do it to you.
I'm going to watch it tonight.
Dude, I had Sylvester Stallone read Rocky.
He read the script.
Like I'm standing there with him and he's reading from the original screenplay.
Oh my God.
I'm right there.
He's reading.
When was it?
Where was this?
Well, I also am there with him in his foyer when Sugar Ray Leonard, and I have it on video, Sugar Ray Leonard is showing me how, because I say to him, I go, Champ, I asked you, because I go, not to bother you, but we were all talking and I go, when I'm jabbed, when I'm going, when I try to go here and then I go here and I'm going for the body, if I'm going to hit the body, when I make this transition, I keep getting hit because that was true.
I just couldn't, I couldn't hunt the body.
I go, bop, bop.
And as you're turning, you get hit.
Right.
So I go, how do you, how do you dig to the body?
I'm asking him.
So he starts teaching me.
He starts teaching me.
Stallone says to my, right there, there it is.
Oh, shit.
Look, look, look.
Look at this.
Look at this.
Yo.
Look at Stallone.
Stallone.
Come on.
Come on, dude.
Dude, you're.
I have no business asking him this bullshit anyway.
Seriously, who am I?
Who is this kid?
Seriously, look at him teaching me.
Look at him teaching me.
So what a moment, dude.
Where are you guys?
That's in Stallone's house.
Holy crap.
And that's what you're doing when you're hitting the body.
That's crazy.
Is that one of his daughters, by the way?
Yes.
Great girls.
Yeah, bad.
Because when you step in, yeah, I'm just supposed to be 20%.
Dude.
By the way, he's 60 and couldn't look better.
That's surreal right there, but big array.
And then I had the same experience with Pacino in the other room.
What the hell is going on?
What was this occasion?
Whose birthday was it?
February 3rd?
No, we were just watching.
I think we were watching the either, we were watching Maybe Joshua or the Super Bowl.
Yeah, we're watching the Super Bowl.
That's the Super Bowl.
Well, I would go to his house periodically.
Left alone.
Yeah.
And so I'd be there and I'd be like, oh, and then Pacino would walk in, David Blaine, then Guy Fieri's in the kitchen making food and we're all hanging out.
And I was like, I've arrived.
Have you seen that?
You know what this is?
When he won the Oscar when he won the Oscar and who creeped up on him behind him when he won it for Rocky.
You've seen that where Ali comes right behind him when he's making the entry.
Oh, that was great.
That moment.
Yeah, man.
It's really, those moments are kind of like, at one point, I was standing in a circle with, I think it was Schwarzenegger, Pacino, Stallone, and somebody else.
And I'm just standing there listening to them talk.
And Bill Burr walks by me with a cigar.
He goes, you've been here an hour already.
Get over it.
And I was like, no, I'm not going to get over it.
This is exciting to me.
Dude.
By the way, Bill is one of my favorite comedians is Bill Burr.
Yeah, my show, but I understand.
No, I appreciate it.
Yeah.
By the way, no, just saying.
It's not a big deal.
It doesn't matter.
Got it.
It's not about me.
I'm just saying.
That was so quick, I almost missed it.
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Tonight is 8 o'clock.
Tonight, 8 o'clock.
So we've got to get you out there.
We got 45 minutes.
Tomorrow, 7.30, and then you're doing it again Saturday.
When do you leave?
You leave Sunday or what time you leave on Sunday?
I don't think until like 5.30 at night.
What airport are you leaving from?
Vaudeville or Miami?
I'm flying on Beyonce's chat.
I'm underpaying you, bro.
Yeah, yeah, no.
And honestly, talk to our lawyer.
Never again will we pay you $100,000 when you come here.
That's got to be at least a million dollar bills.
It's an outrage.
But I love you.
Very disciplined.
But I love you.
I want to represent you.
Let me be your lawyer.
Let me be your manager.
Please.
But David Management.
This is not WME.
From Prostitutes Comedians.
We got it.
And this is what I do.
We got it.
No.
And this is.
Value payment, baby.
But Patrick.
We represent 73 processes.
Do it in comedians.
And when I'm doing my negotiation, you let me negotiate first.
Yeah.
And then when they hit me with their terms, I go like this.
I go, guys, you got to talk to the Assyrian.
The door rolls up and you're just step out.
Don't tweet it out, though.
I do this as I leave.
I go, I just.
And then Pat walks in like this and he goes, you got to fuck in.
Yeah, staring the bulls behind you.
Guys, I'll be over here if you need any help.
By the way, like, if they're like, you know, jobs that you wonder if you could do or not, Lee.
Yeah, how there.
Are there any jobs you're like, if there is a job I wouldn't mind seeing if I could have been good at it or not?
What is the one thing you think you would have been good?
Me?
If you would have done it.
Honestly.
Teacher or a dancer.
I know it sounds like the strip, like the dancer.
You got a fan strip.
Like a Latin dance.
I mean, yeah, I got a nice ass, but still, man, look at the teacher.
Respect up here, bro.
I'm trying to dance the audience perspective.
So teacher or dance?
I would love it.
How about yourself?
Like, if you did something else outside of your comedy or insurance, what would it be?
Like, you're like, I think I would have done a good job at that.
Something in music.
Radio exec or music exec, something in music.
You know what?
I can actually see that.
How about yourself?
Mine, I have two of them.
One was like detective because I was like, my mom watched all those shows with like blood, and I figured it out.
But then I wanted to be an F-16 pilot easily could have been.
I think you're an amazing stand-up comic.
Thank you.
And I think you're way better than anybody knows.
And I think you're better than you know.
I think your talent is prodigious.
I like using big words, meaning your talent is fucking huge.
And I think if you decide to be great, that's a decision.
We talked about this last year.
I'm saying it on the podcast because I took him over in the green room.
I go, hey, listen, dude, you got to take yourself really seriously.
You can make a choice.
You got to decide if you want to be great or you want to be, you know, because this guy can do this.
This guy, he could do, if he took it, put his mind to it, and he's done it.
But I mean, you could write an hour that people would be like, what is going on here?
You kill rooms, dude.
And, you know, I've seen you do it.
You could do that for an hour anytime.
And your talent is crazy.
That's right.
I'm going to give you that money.
Thank you for building up.
We agree.
Yeah.
So you were going to say, what are you going to say?
Pilot?
I think F-16 pilot.
And Brian, I love you.
Thank you, brother.
It means a lot coming from you.
Oh, F-16, bro.
Because think about it.
I played Top Gun and Nintendo.
I was disgusting at it.
Nasty.
And I was like, and I was like, bro, if I just learned the, I go to the pilot.
Easy.
Like F-16.
And I was in the Air Force too.
By the way, Callan, happy upcoming birthday to you, buddy.
Your birthday's in like six days, I think.
It sure is.
33 years old.
Yeah, you too.
You got two weeks, right?
Aquarius.
Today is Sam Carvajal's birthday.
Happy birthday, Samvel.
Sam, happy birthday, baby.
We got the ladies that we were talking about from the World Economic Forum to come for her.
There it is.
There it is.
They're working on their education.
They need help with their rent.
Yes.
And we got them at a discount.
Help them to think, baby.
Master Negotiator.
We got help for way cheaper than $2,700.
Okay, anyways, guys, this was freaking awesome.
Awesome.
Dude, have a killer show.
If you found your gang, go out there, spend money, order your drinks, bring friends, Dania Beach.
Let's put the link below.
People know what it is.
Just put the link below so people will know as well.
And then looking forward to doing this again next time, bro.