PBD Podcast | Ep. 116 | Special Guest: Seth Dillon
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Seth Dillon is the owner of the Babylon Bee since 2018. Additionally, he is also the co-founder of the ‘Not the Bee’. This site was launched on September 1, 2020, by the same creators Seth Dillon, Dan Dillon, and Adam Ford. ‘Not the Bee’ is a non-satirical site that reports on news, stories, and commentary. Follow him on social media here: Twitter: https://bit.ly/3kmxSr3
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00:00 - Start
00:39 - Seth Dillon On His Interview With Elon Musk
2:46 - Babylon Bee Greatest Hits
6:59 - The Mainstream Media is very friendly to the people who agree with them
12:22 - Who is pushing the envelope in 2022
17:10 - Paying for our kids to hate our values
24:05 - The top reason people are quitting their jobs
40:46 - Glass Door for employees
57:00 - CEO Pay has gone up 1000% Since 1978
1:15:20 - Novak Djokovic
1:31:10 - The attempted Censorship of Joe Rogan
1:36:13 - DeSantis Is Feuding With Trump
1:44:12 - Attempting to use 14th amendment to keep Trump out of office
1:47:40 - What's holding the Cowboys back
Okay, 116 with Seth Billen, the CEO of Babylon Bee.
Fake news you can trust.
Good to have you back, brother.
Thanks for having me.
Yes.
Last time we had John was more of an interview format today.
We'll be more podcasts.
Gerard is a big fan of your website.
I know Adam as well.
And so we're excited to have you back.
You had Elon Musk on recently.
Yes.
How was that for you guys?
Insane.
I was up until the last minute right before it happened.
I had no idea if it was actually going to happen.
We were kind of going back and forth with him, DMing, talking about having him on the podcast.
And he's like, come to Austin and we'll do it.
We were DMing with Elon as well.
We were DMing with him, yeah.
On Twitter.
He follows like 107 people on Twitter.
We're one of them.
And so we're able to access his DMs.
And one of our employees just shot him a message out of the dark.
It was just like, hey, welcome on our podcast.
And we were not prepared.
I was on vacation with my family, and he responded and was like, yeah, come to Austin.
So I left from where we were instead of going home and went straight out there with the clothes on my back and rented a studio to try to make it happen.
And so we didn't even know if it was going to happen until the minute he walked in.
I like the way you said that.
He follows like 107 people.
Like you didn't know the exact number.
The exact number.
Currently 100 people.
He follows like 100 people.
He follows like 107.
It makes sense for him to be a fan of Babylon B.
Yeah.
It makes sense.
His personality just makes sense to say, you know what?
I like what these guys are doing.
So what was your favorite part of the conversation with him?
We went everywhere.
I mean, we were talking religion and theology.
We were talking the current cultural climate, wokeness.
He called it a mind virus.
You know, we were getting into that a little bit.
Yeah.
So he was all over the place, but we were just letting him talk.
He talked a lot about some of the stuff that he's digging into right now with his Neuralink and the satellites he's launching into space for Starlink and all this stuff.
So, I mean, it was a wide-ranging discussion, but it was fun to just kind of have like a less serious interview with him, you know, where we could make jokes and see how he responded to those.
And he doesn't always laugh at your jokes, which can be a little unsettling and unnerving when you're there cracking jokes and he's just kind of nodding along like you just said something serious.
That's a little, it makes it, it makes sense.
Maybe your jokes got to be funnier.
Yeah, I guess they got to be funnier.
He does like our jokes.
But yeah, it was a good time.
It was a good time.
Can you go on Babylon B's website right now?
Let's just go right on Babylon B's website.
Because, you know, folks, again, if you haven't followed these guys, they're hilarious for the work they do.
Go down to the story with Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton.
This is the kind of stuff you guys write, which is go a little lower, a little lower, right there.
Click on that one right there.
So Kamala Harris so disliked Nation considering Hillary Clinton.
That's just hilarious to me, right?
Let's see what else you guys got that's recent.
Seth, which one would you say to pull up?
Let's see this one.
Historian discovers document from 1776 that removes all mandates and restrictions.
If you go to the trending tab, that'll show the ones that are being shared the most recently.
Okay, the second one right there, right below the logo.
If you go up, go above, go all the way to the top.
Yeah, and click on trending.
Yeah, right there.
There you go.
Let's see what we got.
FBI said they still haven't found a motive for 9-11.
To save Tom Biden, to ship 500 million free masks directly to landfill.
Fantastic.
Historians discovered, okay, we read that.
Omicron vaccine to be made available in March for the 12 people who haven't gotten Omicron yet.
Politicians, politician baffles nation by doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
Is the filibuster racist, a handy flowchart?
Anyways, just, and by the way, this is if you go to put Babylon Beast's best stories ever.
I know we did this on the other channel, but we haven't done it here.
Just go on Google and type in Babylon Beast Best Stories Ever.
Okay, best stories ever.
Yeah, click on that.
There's a, what's the one site that's got the best ones on there?
No, not here.
Go back.
Seth, do you know which one it is?
There's a site that's got your best ever that went viral.
Here are the headlines, Babylon Bee went up.
Okay, go a little lower.
Okay, right there.
10 best.
No, it's not that one.
Anyways, you guys had the one with Trump that said that Trump says he's done more for Christianity than Jesus himself.
Oh, yeah.
That's right there.
I have done more for Christianity than Jesus himself.
And then a story comes out that kind of similar thing to what he said.
So the whole thing about satire, you said to me last time, is writing stories that seem so crazy that eventually could come true.
Yeah.
Which is happening to some of your stories you guys are writing.
It happened to that one.
Yeah, actually, Trump went on some radio show where he said that he's done more for religion in general and Christianity in particular than any figure in history, which is basically what we said that he said.
But we said it a couple of years ago, and he just said it a couple of months ago.
With how insane the world is right now, are you guys having a tougher time than usual coming up with topics?
Because I feel like it's like, how do you get more sarcastic and more insane than what's happening right now?
How does it work?
I say tougher.
I mean, well, we sit there and try to brainstorm every day.
We look at the headlines and what's going on in the news, right?
And we start pitching ideas back and forth.
We start with the headline, just the joke is in the headline, right?
And we pitch these headlines and we have to check, like, did this already happen?
Did someone already say this?
Like, and you have to think to yourself, you know, like, how long is this going to be satire for?
Because this is probably coming down the road here as soon as next week or maybe even tomorrow.
And we find that happening all the time.
So it's funny.
We tweet about it all that.
We have our editor-in-chief, Kyle Mann, and our managing editor, Joel Berry.
They'll tweet that, you know, another Babylon Bee prophecy fulfilled.
And we document those and share with people when we see them come true.
Is that how Not the Bee came about?
Is that the idea there?
It is.
I mean, well, what we were discovering is, you know, the world is so crazy.
The world's so absurd.
It's almost impossible to be satirized.
So you might as well have like this humor-based entertainment site that just covers all these crazy stories because they're very entertaining.
The real stories really are wild and entertaining.
You can just click on any major news site and find a story that's like, wow, is this headline real?
So we did create the site specifically to cover those things.
The things that are so crazy that should be satire but somehow aren't.
So there's a little bit of overlap between the sites.
You know, they start out satire on the Babylon Bee and then they become reality on Not the Bee.
Speaking of overlap, have you found that The Onion has been subject to the same ridicule that you guys have on social media?
We're subject to ridicule.
You tell me.
I mean, I went to pull up the Babylon Bee and it asked me if I was going to a dangerous site.
Oh, did it really?
Yeah, we get a little bit of that.
You know, they have been, they've been targeted with some criticism.
They do get fact-checked some the way that we've been fact-checked.
I think, look, you see the same kind of bias at play here with comedy that you see in every area of life.
It's, you know, the mainstream media is really friendly to sources that agree with them.
And I think, you know, The Onion, this is one of the topics we discussed in our interview with Elon Musk.
He was talking about The Onion and how it's further left than we are right.
It's very politically correct, very politically correct.
You know, they hit all the jokes from the angle that you would expect them to hit them from.
More so today than it wasn't that way when it first started.
They were a lot of speaking truth to power.
I mean, the whole concept of comedy for people that don't know, I mean, if you find yourself agreeing with the establishment as a comedian, you're a bad comedian.
You know, the idea of speaking truth to power.
If people don't know who Lenny Bruce is, Lenny Bruce spent half of his career in jail for refusing to for just cursing at that point.
Yeah, for lewd and vasidious behavior talking about sex.
So that was very counterculture at that point.
But, dude, before I left New York, man, I saw the tides turning and I was like, man, this is not about being funny.
This is about being on message.
And then you saw people that were getting, you know, fast-tracked.
I'm not going to name names.
You can really easily Google them and remember who they are.
Their careers were getting fast.
They were doing mics at the Village Lantern, and next thing you know, they had Netflix specials because they were on message.
And I was like, they're skipping 10 years here.
Well, now you've got people like Chappelle who are doing Netflix specials and taking a lot of heat for it because they step outside the bounds of what they're supposed to be joking about, right?
And I think that's what comedians should be doing.
I think they should be making those jokes that nobody wants you to make.
Yeah.
And if you're censoring yourself, no, but he's not.
But the highest form of the art, he's right, though.
The highest form of the art is saying things people don't want to hear in a way they can't stop listening.
You might have texted what Steve Harvey had to say.
Was that you?
Was that you?
Yeah, yeah.
He basically said, Chappelle's the only person that can do this.
Any person out there other than my, speaking of himself, he was talking about D.L. Hughley.
He's like, I'll do it.
Or Cedric Entertainer.
Kevin Hart.
Exactly.
I will do one more special, and that's when I'm done.
Because they're all relying on Steve Harvey.
What's his point with that?
Steve goes, I'm going to let it fly, and then I'm going to go away.
He can't do it right now.
He can't cancel.
He's still trying to do stuff.
So he's saying later on.
Yeah.
But his whole point was despite all the success I've had, despite all the money, despite all the power, despite all the fame, I'm beholden to sponsors.
Exactly.
Or Chappelle has subscription with Netflix.
Exactly.
So Netflix is probably going to go after more complications.
Look at Tim Dylan.
Tim Dylan's the guy.
Tim Dylan is a guy that was.
No relation to Seth or no relation to Seth.
Tim Dylan, you know, Rogan in a certain way.
I mean, Marcelo opens for him.
You make yourself uncancelable by insulating.
But at the end of the day, it's the marketplace.
You know, if 90,000 people are willing to pay $4.99 a month for Tim Dylan, then all the sponsors can shove.
He can say whatever he wants to say.
Those people are supporting him.
It's one of the ways that we're independent is because we have a subscription platform.
People can subscribe to support us.
And so we don't have to worry so much about, and this is the reason we launched it in the first place is because we were worried, we were getting fact-checked on Facebook like crazy.
They're rating our jokes false.
They're giving our jokes a truth rating.
Yeah.
And then telling us jokes as they're supposed to be a little bit.
Have you ever gone down?
They don't have a truth rating.
They're funny or they're not.
They're not true or false.
Have you ever gone down the rabbit hole with who's fact-checking you?
Because I got demonetized on Facebook and I went down the rabbit hole and was looking at who fact-checked me.
And you end up looking, and it's like some bot out in Singapore that has no existence.
It's like this person, and it's just an opinion.
This person says that what you're saying is false.
I was like, it's satire.
Well, we found some of them.
So I'll give you an example of one.
We did a story on how Ruth Bader Ginsburg had over.
No, the Ninth Circuit Court had overturned the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
That was the headline, right?
And it's kind of a silly, absurd headline.
Obviously, you can't, how do you overturn somebody's death?
What does that even mean?
Obviously, it's a joke.
Did they resurrect her from the dead?
Obviously, it's a joke.
USA Today fact-checked it, rated it false.
And if you scroll to the bottom of that fact-check, it says it was paid for in part by grants from Facebook.
So Facebook paid USA Today to fact-check our joke and then send us a warning saying that we made a joke that was false.
So it's kind of a circular thing where they're funding the whole thing.
Let me ask you: Pat talks about in the business planning workshop, that's where he really came to mind.
He talked about finding an enemy, finding an enemy, and that sort of motivates you to double down on what you want to accomplish.
And Pat has some enemies that I'm sure he'll talk about vocally.
Do you have enemies that you say, all right?
I don't know if it's the onion or if it's the establishment, if it's cancel culture.
Who's the Babylon B enemy?
Who do you go against?
The enemy is anybody who's against free speech.
The enemy is anybody who's trying to censor you.
The enemy is anybody who's trying to pressure you to censor yourself so that you're not free to say what you think and why you think it.
So, you know, anybody, any comedian that censors himself in deference to the power that's trying to get him to censor himself is a joke himself, I think.
And so comedians should be pushing back on that and making jokes, humorous satirists.
So who is doing it right today?
I mean, obviously, you got the Chappelles, you got the Rogans.
Who else would you put in the camp that is pushing the envelope and not holding back?
And who have you seen has made major adjustments and gone and become woke or soft?
Any names in the market?
You know, oh man, the amount of Schadenfreude I had watching all of New York City, who for 10 years I saw gradually descend into this non-stop, you know, carrying water for the state.
You know, they just became this woke, hardcore leftist activist sect, and then they got shut down.
And they were like, the government, blah, blah.
And I'm like, oh, is the government overreaching guys?
Can't go to work.
Oh, that sucks.
So give me names, though.
Like, who do you think?
Like, who's who's give the names of who is pushing back today?
I'll tell you, some look, the guy, JP Sears.
JP Sears has done an unbelievable job.
You know, you interviewed JP Sears.
Ryan Long is doing a lot of jokes that are like hilarious, dude.
Ryan Long.
Bill Maher comments a lot on cancel culture, and he's very anti-cancel culture.
He's more of an old school liberal who believes in freedom.
He agrees with the left on almost every issue.
The only thing that he doesn't agree with the left on is this kind of authoritarian attempt to silence anybody who disagrees with them, right?
So, and that applies to a lot of comedians, and he's felt a lot of pressure.
He faces calls to be canceled all the time for the stuff that he says.
And mostly what he's saying is, stop cancel culture.
And they want to cancel him for saying that.
He'll say, I can't stand Trump.
I can't stand what these guys are doing, but stop trying to cancel these guys, what they have to say.
Because even back in the days, if you think about those who were against censorship were representing the left, now it's them who want to censor.
It's the most important.
But by the way, that's one of the weirdest dynamics about today's climate is how much hypocrisy there is on both sides.
You have hypocrisy today.
You have freedom of speech.
You have, you know, my body, my choice, only when it matters.
You have all of these areas that it goes to.
ID, I need to ID.
I need to give you a vaccine passport.
But now when it comes down to voting, you go down, you say, wait a minute.
This is your core belief system, but you're completely opposite from this.
So when you go there, you know what typically happens when your philosophies start having contradictions in them?
Your own side starts saying, you know what?
I just, I'm not feeling any no more.
I'm just not feeling any no more.
You know, this is when you, people think just because you have a fond one, they're always going to be there.
Like, you know, just because you're famous, you're always going to be famous.
Just because, you know, Roger Stone said something one time.
He said, here's how fame works.
Everybody starts off.
The first thing everybody says is, who is Roger Stone?
Who the hell is Roger Stone?
Roger Stone's the guy that can get you elected.
Oh, okay.
Get me Roger Stone.
Okay.
Phase number two.
Get me Roger Stone.
He says phase number three is get somebody like Roger Stone.
He says phase number four is, who is Roger Stone?
Meaning you're eventually forgotten about, right?
Full circle.
Yeah.
So the point is the political parties is, they're like celebrities.
They were famous a year and a half ago.
Liberals were famous a year and a half ago, meaning you're loved.
You're like, oh my gosh, they're right.
Trump sucks.
And now they're thinking that was going to continue and it's not.
Because fame and, you know, that whole loyalty, if you try to bully the voters that you have, you can't bully your voters.
You can't bully your customers.
You can't bully the people that were loyal to you at one point.
You have to constantly keep those people.
It's a very hard thing to do.
By the way, something both sides struggle with continuously.
You can fool some of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all the people all the time, man.
And I think that, you know, one of the things that concerns me more than anything else, Pat, is that I agree with you.
The hypocrisy is rampant, but there seems to be like people who seem to be like okay with it all of a sudden.
Who's people though?
I disagree.
You disagree?
Yeah, I disagree.
I don't think it's people.
I don't think it's okay.
I've seen, and let me just explain, because I've seen the goalposts move with my own friends.
What they will do to maintain some semblance of allegiance to their demagogue.
You know what I'm saying?
It's like, well, you know, I mean, look at the thing that we're not allowed to talk about, right?
Like, first it was going to stop you from getting sick.
Then it's like, well, it just stops the severity of sickness.
And then it's like, ah, well, it's going to stop somebody else from getting sick.
And now the next thing is going to be like, well, it gives you two points towards heaven if you die.
I mean, like, what's this?
So there's always going to be like, at no point do any of them go like, wait a minute, this is, you know what?
You had a point, man.
This is, I should have been asking some more questions.
You know, you know, the other day, one of our guys that works for us, one of our executives, his daughter, oldest daughter, goes to school and she comes after school, finishing college, four years, and she can't stand the dad's philosophies.
He says, we had dinner, and I'm like, why is my daughter, whom I raised, so against me?
Why does she hate me so much?
Because you sent her to whatever you want.
I hate these philosophies I have so much.
And he sat there and he's like, man, I don't know.
And as a parent, this is a fear because you don't want to lose your kids.
You love these guys.
This is an emotional thing.
Parents today fear, am I one day going to lose my kids?
My kids go to a school.
You guys know where they go to.
And the best school in Florida is right across the street.
Everybody knows what the best school in Florida is.
But that best school in Florida is not one that's teaching conservative philosophy.
So in my mind, I'm like, at what age do I consider allowing the kids, because it's under my control till 18, at what age do you want to be comfortable to send them there that anything can be taught?
It's not, they're not praying.
They ain't sitting there talking about God.
They ain't sitting there talking about certain values and principles.
Go at it, right?
They can teach anything they want to teach your kids.
Well, communism is an option.
Socialism is an option.
You can marry whoever you want to be.
If that person's a he, she, whatever, all this stuff is confusing to a young kid that's going through it, right?
But here's what I'm convinced.
Here's what I'm convinced.
Years ago, I'm sitting with a guy that's raised great kids, Dudley, big fan, big, big mentor my life, ran the biggest church in LA.
And we're sitting down.
And I said, listen, give me tips on parenting.
And, you know, he was going through something with his son at the time.
He said, there's three phases parents go through.
First, your kids idolize you.
Then they demonize you.
Then they humanize you.
It's a phase.
And a phase one parents go through demonizing, it sucks.
It absolutely sucks because you're like, am I ever going to get these guys?
Because you did something wrong as a parent.
Just a matter of time before you screw up.
It doesn't matter.
You're going to screw up as a parent, right?
He says, then eventually it's humanizing.
Okay.
So take that philosophy and bring it to capitalism.
Okay.
You're a kid.
Who do you admire?
The lifestyle of the rich and famous.
You're like, oh, man, one day, dude, I love to have that life.
How cool would it be if one day, mom, I'm going to buy you a house, mom?
I'm telling you, I'm going to buy you a house.
Dad, I'm going to buy you that Ferrari you want.
How many kids have spoken like that, right?
And then you go to school and the teacher says, rich people are bad.
All they do is they treat their employees like slaves and this is what they do for their own.
And they sit home and they got these big bellies and they make their money and their employees are doing the work and they're golfing and the kids are like, these are horrible people.
Oh my gosh.
I hate rich people, mom.
They're terrible.
And then they come out of college hating capitalists and rich people.
And then they go to school and then they go get a job and all of a sudden somebody gets a promotion over them who, for whatever reason, was a better ask kisser, was closer, was a better friend or whatever, but you're doing harder work and that person gets the promotion over you.
And then you're 28 years old and now you're making $78,000 and you have to pay $13,000 in taxes and you're sitting there saying, this shit doesn't make sense.
What the hell is this all about?
And eventually you say, maybe these capitalists are not that bad.
So what I'm trying to tell you is, I think we're about to go through the humanizing phase of people that are creating jobs.
I think you're about to go through the humanizing phase to sit there and realize these principles kind of make sense.
And eventually that 12% that runs America is going to figure it out and say, you know what?
I'm kind of going to go to freedom, not going towards control.
I think that's what's going to be taking place.
Well, I got a theory on it.
I mean, you know, I've thought about this a lot, right?
So think about there's two aspects of it.
Who becomes a teacher?
Who becomes a writer, who becomes a professor?
Pretty intelligent people, but they don't make a lot of money.
So they become very resentful into the system because here I am.
I went to school.
I went to school after school.
And then I went to school after school.
And I've got all these degrees and I have all this education, but I'm making 60 grand a year.
Meanwhile, the plumber, you know, who while I was studying was partying on Friday nights is making 200 grand a year and he didn't go to college.
You know what I mean?
This guy, the truck driver's making $150,000 a year.
So they're resentful of the system and that because they think they should get paid for who they are, not for what they offer.
And that's a big thing that people mess up.
You don't get paid for what you like to do unless you're literally the best in the world at it.
Adam, you're very good at basketball, but you're not getting paid for it because you're not one of the literally the best 300 in the world at it, right?
So you have to be able to offer services.
You can pave the driveway of one of those guys that makes that kind of money playing basketball and do a real good life for yourself because that guy doesn't want to pave his own driveway.
You have to be able to offer value.
If you're not the best in the world at something, you have to be able to offer value to the best in the world.
That's number one.
Number two, we go to school and we learn all about the victories of government.
Think about it.
We learn about how government saved the world in this war.
We learned about how government saved the world.
Exactly, right?
So government's great with the Civil Rights Act.
Government is great.
Let's not talk about how government implemented slavery.
Let's talk about how government stops slavery.
Like you get all the wins of government.
So here we are.
They're preaching the egalitarian system where, you know, your merit based on your education is what you should get paid on, not the work that you do or your willingness to do work.
Just how educated you are, how smart you are.
And look at how great government is.
So these kids come out saying, government's great.
Why wouldn't you want to pay taxes?
This is how we do things.
And then you grow up into the real world.
And this is the whole thing with my libertarian philosophy.
This is almost every libertarian that I know.
It's like, dude, just show your work.
You want more taxes.
Nobody wants to drive on decrepit roads and bad bridges.
Show what you do with the money.
Because right now, you took $3 trillion and gave us $1,200 and nothing changed.
Everything got worse.
There's empty shelves.
There's a city.
I just went to buy furniture at City Furniture.
Nothing is there until the end of March.
This is the United States of America.
I got nothing to the end of March.
You've got empty shelves.
Somehow there's Valentine's Day candy, but there's nothing else.
I have no idea how that works.
So we gave you guys $3 trillion.
And where's that money?
And you want more of it.
See, that's the thing that the left never answers for.
You always want more.
If $3 trillion couldn't fix it, then $6 trillion.
Your boy Robert Reich, more, more, more.
Can you just show your work with what you're doing now?
Can you just at least once prove that the money we gave you was worth something?
Yeah.
Before you ask for more, I mean, it's insane.
I think you can only do that for so long.
I don't think you can.
That philosophy is sustainable.
Anyway, let's go into our main story here.
Let's go into our main stories.
I want to hear what Seth has to say about this as well.
First story we want to get into is a great resignation.
Okay, the great resignation.
There's a story that everybody is talking about.
A guy tagged me in a post.
I just sent it to you.
Have it ready to bring it up in a minute here.
I text it to you.
So this is a CNBC story.
This is the biggest reason people quit, and it's 10 times more important than pay.
From the data, Glasto review from the last few years, including before the pandemic and 172 culture metrics at roughly 600 companies, researchers found toxic work culture to be the biggest factor that led people to quit and 10 times more important than pay in predicting turnover.
Okay, so toxic culture is number one, is what they're saying.
This is CNBC story.
The most common ways employees describe toxic culture at their company were through a failure to promote diversity, equity, inclusion, workers feeling disrespected, unethical behavior or low integrity, abusive managers, and a cutthroat environment where they felt colleagues were actively undermining.
So they're describing CNN.
Okay.
So what's significant is that toxic workplace factors lead to a stronger reaction, quitting, more so than other bad work issues.
People may grumble about their workplace being bureaucratic or feeling siloed, but they still don't leave.
But signs of toxic work culture are making people walk away.
So Tyler, just out of curiosity, is that the only story you have on the great resignation or is there anything else on great resignation that you have?
On there, that's it.
But we can pull these things up.
It's been the top story on LinkedIn.
It's like there's a million stories.
So this one guy sends me this and he says, you never talk about this on the podcast.
I said, okay, let's talk about it.
So corporations right now laid off staff in 2020, okay?
Received generous government bailouts.
Totally agree.
A lot of people took the bailouts, shouldn't have taken.
They did not need it.
A lot of companies didn't need that bailout.
We had a board meeting in our board meeting.
I brought this up before where they said, you know, we can get roughly $4.5 million.
I said, we're not taking the money because we don't need it.
Restaurants need it.
I'm not taking out $4.5 million.
Good for you.
But guess what?
You don't have to pay it back.
I said, I'm not taking a penny.
My board was upset with me saying every single one of the boards we sit on, they take the money.
You ain't taking the money.
I said, I'm not taking the money.
Why would I take the money?
How hypocritical are my philosophies to take that money and put it into the bank account?
But you know what?
You're going to pay for it through taxes.
That makes you think you better take it because you're going to pay through taxes.
That's my philosophy.
I totally get it.
You're going to pay through tax.
I'm like, you know what?
I'm good.
The restaurant needs it.
Those 50 million employees in America that are directly or indirectly affected by those restaurants that have to shut down.
Let's kind of help those guys out.
I'm going to be okay.
Using myths of resignation and labor shortage to understaff.
Okay.
I have no idea what you mean by that, but okay.
This is a liberal Facebook fan page, just so you know.
So I'm showing what they put.
Shovel work on people that don't have a better option.
Okay.
That's absolutely ludicrous.
Let me explain to you why.
People have more options today than ever before.
I'm going to show you something from an economist I heard last week in Vegas that is going to blow you away and it's not going to be a good look for a certain president and it's not who you think it is when I go through it.
Shovel work on people.
You know what the challenge is today?
The challenge today is here's how it works.
Okay.
You hire somebody, you give them $45,000.
They've never made $45,000.
You hire somebody, you give them $55,000, but they have a now new title.
So they go on LinkedIn and they change the title to such and such title.
The recruiting firm calls them saying, hey, you're XYZ at this company.
Yes.
We'll offer you $70,000 with this other company.
And they'll give you a $5,000 bonus.
The guy has one month of experience in that job.
So guess what he says?
He comes back to the boss that gave him the job and he says, hey, I love this place, but let me just tell you what offer I just got.
If you give me the $70,000 and a $5,000 bonus, we can keep you here.
That boss is standing there and saying, what do you want me to do?
I need this guy, but you're not worth this dollar amount.
So then he sits there and he says, dude, I can't afford to pay you, man, that kind of money.
But maybe we can bump you to 60?
Let me see what I can do.
I'm sorry, I got to take this job.
He takes that job at $70,000 with the $5,000 signing bonus.
A month later, the same recruiter calls him, calls another company, says this other company wants to pay you $82,000 with a $7,000 bonus.
This guy is underqualified.
He says, hey, man, you know, I'm so sorry, bro, but I love this place.
But, you know, so, dude, we can't pay you, dude.
You ain't worried $82,000 doing $7,000.
I got to go take the shot.
He takes that job.
Do you know I know a guy that went through this cycle four times by the same recruiter getting until he got to six figures because the company was willing to pay for it?
So that fourth one right there is a bunch of gibberish.
Yeah, but you can't blame that guy for taking the money.
This is free agent.
No, Wait a minute.
Now, hear me out.
In NBA, how many guys get overpaid because they had a big breakout season or they did well in the playoffs?
And next thing you know, they were a $2 million guy.
Now they're getting a $50 million five-year contract.
What are you going to say?
Wow, I'm not really a five-year-old.
I'm not sitting here.
Listen, you're going to take the money.
I'm not sitting here and telling you anything.
First of all, that guy's not a loyalty guy.
His loyalty is to money.
Go get your money.
Most people are.
That's not true, but fine, no problem.
I say that company, their comp structure needs a better adjustment.
Meaning, if you want to get people to stick around with you, maybe give them equity.
Maybe give them long-term incentives that they can participate in.
Maybe you got to make certain adjustments there.
I don't disagree there.
But all I'm telling you is people are, you say most people are driven by money.
Okay, so let me ask you a question.
I'm not saying most people are driven by money, but I'm not sure.
I'm saying most people.
Did I say this thing?
Yes, I used to say that.
But you're making $45,550, and all of a sudden someone's giving you $100 and you're actually thinking they're going to, maybe, maybe not.
They're taking the $100.
But do you realize what you're setting as your reputation on your resume?
Let me explain to you.
So you're thinking about getting married one day, no?
Yes.
Okay.
Are you the richest guy in the world?
No.
That's Elon Musk.
So that means every girl should leave their husbands and go with Elon Musk.
So let's just say you get married to your wife.
Let's just say you get married to your girl.
Drop that gorgeous girl.
You're going to marry a hot girl.
We know that.
But let's just say you're good.
I appreciate it.
But you ain't the richest guy in Miami.
You definitely ain't the richest Jew in Miami.
So now she meets another Jew who's worth $100 million.
And he says, wink, wink, you come with me.
I'll get you an S500 and I'll get you this house if you leave me.
So now, hey, you should take your money and go to the next guy.
And then she gets another guy.
Is that like, do we have to do that?
Well, the difference is you can only marry one person at a time.
He's got job to job to job to job.
But the point is, that is not a good look on your resume to show you have four jobs.
Like when people get to the point.
I agree with you on that.
You can't just go from job to job to job to job.
But that to me.
But if you keep getting more bonuses.
That to me is also a mindset that you can be bought.
You're for sale.
It is not a good values and principles on the individual.
You create a market and say, I come and I make you work here.
Then you force that company to pay you exactly what you're worth in a marketplace because they have to.
There is no choice.
When I give you a promotion to COO, I have to pay you what the market is for the serial.
If I give you a promotion to any promotion, I have to pay you what the market tells me.
You go on salary.com and salary.com says what?
The position for a director of digital media in Fort Lauderdale is the low, 78,000, high, 150,000, medium, 100, whatever it's going to tell me.
Oh, shit.
Dude, so what do we got?
Am I going to get this or not?
I have to work it because you're in favor if you deliver.
That guy who changes position four times, the company's eventually going to realize this guy's clueless and he's going to get fired four months later.
So then he has to go back and explain to somebody else why he got fired.
He's got to make an excuse.
Well, you know, it was because of equity and because it's a toxic, toxic environment.
And it was just a terrible place.
I got to tell you.
Pat, I've been in places where that guy is terrible and doesn't get fired specifically because he got higher.
And that's worse for the company because that company doesn't have leadership and they're desperate.
Let me do the last one and I'll open it up.
I want to hear you guys' thoughts.
Use the myth of inflation to raise prices.
Folks, that's not myth.
The myth.
That's called math.
Do me a favor, go to one of the slides that this chief economist, JD, go up five slides.
And by the way, keep going up, keep going up, keep going up.
I think that's the one.
No, not that one.
Go one more.
Yeah, that one right there.
Okay, can you make that bigger so everybody can see that?
And David, can you put that on the screen so everyone can see it?
Are we going back to that last slide, by the way?
Because the guy only got the one top thing, right?
Or the second thing?
And then the last three were just absolute garbage.
Yeah, but if the media keeps saying toxic, here's what's going on.
The company's inflation.
Blah, blah, blah.
They're just bullshitting using inflation to raise prices.
Here's what's going on with energy inflation.
Make it a little bit bigger so they can see that.
Can you make that even bigger?
Go bigger, bigger, bigger so people can see the years on the bottom.
Okay, so that shows what energy inflation happened this year.
Look at that spike.
The last time it's been this high was Jimmy Carter era.
That's not a joke.
Energy inflation.
No, it's only 70%.
Yeah, it's only 7%.
Yeah, okay.
No, no, it's not 7%.
It's not 7%.
Oh, yeah, I see what you're saying.
I missed the satire.
I buy groceries.
Fake news.
I'm fake news.
Guys, guys, let's leave off.
Let me catch up to you guys.
I'm a little bit behind.
I'll catch up.
Give me a couple minutes.
Automobile inflation.
Look at that.
Highest in how many years?
Look, even Carter was 28%.
Dude, that's 35%.
You ain't talking about 75%.
Who's saying that it's a myth, though?
Nobody in their right mind would believe in inflation.
That is a myth.
Jen Sackey said that these companies are using inflation to raise prices and that's greedy.
They're being greedy.
I went to Starbucks the other day.
I tell Jen, babe, place an order for me for whatever this thing that you order for me.
I don't even know what it's called.
She knows what it's called.
So a fog, something, fuck.
I don't know what it's called.
Anyways, it's sick.
So I get this tea and she says, babe, I called everywhere.
All the Starbucks that I go order when I come back from the gym with E, she says, they don't have the product.
What are you talking about?
So I go there.
So I look at the girl at the cashier.
I said, hey, can I get this one?
We don't have that.
Can I get this one?
We don't have that.
What do you have?
So she says, honestly, I said, just put something in.
Let me go talk to the girl at the front.
I go to the front.
The guy's a diehard podcast fan.
Diehard.
Like the entire time.
He will let me go because he followed on podcasts.
He says, Pat, we don't have 80% of our products to sell.
I said, what are you talking about?
He said, we don't have syrup.
We don't have this.
I can't sell you this thing.
I said, just make me whatever.
He says, let me see what I can do.
Guy goes to the back to make me something that's not on the, what do you call it?
On the menu.
And he comes back.
Oh, yeah, they're raising prices.
There's shortage of product.
If only there was 100 years of evidence of central planning failing.
Yeah.
Anyways, I mean, the point is, the point is that this article by CNBC, the average person reads this article, what do they say?
You know, here's how it goes.
Okay, you know, the guy that flirts with the 18-year-old girl who doesn't have game, and the guy's 29 years old experienced, and he sees this 18-year-old girl that's dating a guy that they're together, or like 20-year-old girl, and he says, let me ask you a question.
Does your boyfriend, all he care about, is working out, doesn't he?
Yeah.
He spends more time at the gym than you.
Yeah.
Let me guess.
He's that good-looking guy that only washes his car and plays video games and hangs out at his boys and he doesn't give you the attention you deserve.
Yeah.
If you were my girl from morning till night, you'd be my focus.
I'd give all my attention to you.
And I think you need to be treated that way.
I'm a little uncomfortable looking in between us.
I would give all my attention to the point is you write something like this.
Someone's going to say, my job doesn't promote diversity, doesn't promote equity, doesn't promote, it is not.
It's resentment.
It's all resentment.
So, you know, when people say that their workplace is toxic and they're listing these reasons, I'm thinking to myself, you know, what they're saying is, my boss makes more than me.
This is a toxic environment.
Like, you know, there's not enough, there's not equity here.
Equity is like, is like having the same outcome.
You know, if you're expecting in the workplace that someone who works harder than you should have the same outcome as you, otherwise it's toxic, then you don't understand the workplace.
You don't understand a meritocracy, right?
I mean, it all comes down to envy and resentment.
It comes down to wanting what other people have, what other people are willing to work for that you're not willing to work for.
And otherwise, and if you don't have it, then you feel abused.
I mean, it's like this childish, immature, resentful attitude that people are bringing into the workplace.
When I heard toxic, I was thinking something very different.
I was thinking it would be something where there's like, it's like this bros world where the guys are like, you know, the patriarchy is in charge and there's like sexual harassment and all this stuff.
Like Uber hats.
Yeah, I wasn't thinking diversity creators.
I was thinking like the Wolf of Wall Street, what was going on?
Exactly.
Wolf of Wall Street, you know, all that kind of stuff.
But I wasn't thinking diversity and equity and all of that.
Hard to tell who the two business owners on the panel are.
Look, I've been in toxic workplace environments.
And I think what Pat said before is really, really interesting because it's the amount of options that you have.
And you made a correlation between this and relationships.
It's the same thing.
Like before Tinder, before Bumble, you had incentive to work things out with your girl.
And then maybe you get through that.
You get through your early hurdles in the relationship and then it turns into a long-term thing.
But now it's just like, screw this, swipe right, swipe, right, swipe right, find somebody new.
It's the same thing.
You know, I told you about the encounter I had with the overzealous sales manager, you know, where I almost caught a felony.
That's the toxic workplace environment.
Now, at the time, Uber didn't exist.
Lyft didn't exist.
You know, now they do.
And during the pandemic, I went from two national tours getting canceled to having to do construction and Lyft.
And you know what?
It wasn't bad, man.
You can make 40, 50 grand a year if you do Lyft full-time.
You're just sitting in your own car, you're listening to music, you have nobody to answer to.
Now you have the liability.
In a way, you're an entrepreneur in that way.
You're taking it upon yourself.
So I am all for employees bettering themselves, bettering their using their opportunities to leverage themselves into a life that they deserve.
And I think at the end of the day, this will be a good thing for businesses to adjust, but it's just like anything else.
You got to compete for labor in the marketplace, right?
You have to compete.
So that guy in your, the guy who was paying the dude 40,000, the person at the end of that line who pays $100,000 is probably a moron.
But the guy who's paying $40,000 needs to adjust his business model as well, right?
If he wants that same, like we think about this, like you buy this at Costco, it's 50 cents.
So we have a valuation and this bottle of water is only 50 cents, but you go to the airport and it's $4.
Now, the person that's been paying 50 cents for this their whole life is like, who's the moron that's paying $4?
You see three people go up and buy it.
You're worth what somebody's going to pay you.
That's what you're worth, right?
So, I mean, are you actually worth that?
Well, that's for people like you to ascertain.
Like, what is what is my stress level on talent, right?
What is my stress level on employment?
Then the other side of it becomes you push too hard, like the unions have done forever.
And it's like, okay, well, now you're forcing us to find another way to do your job because you're too expensive and income the machines or the outgo outsourcing, things like that.
So, I mean, I just think we're in a very disruptive time right now where I don't, there's people that, again, you know, I don't want to go on one of these long rants, but it's like nobody, you talk to kids under 25 years old, not a single one of them thinks about the buying a house and the white picket fence.
And like, they just think that they're going to live paycheck to paycheck their whole life.
So if I'm not enjoying what I'm doing, I'll bail and I'll find something else.
Yeah, and by the way, that's the concern.
And FYI, so in business, listen, Kmart started off in 1962 and a half.
It's called the Super Savings Center with Walmart and Target.
They all got started the same year.
That was the Super Saving Center, which is everybody came out with this concept of massive facility, cheap card memberships, all this stuff, right?
Kmart and Walmart started competing.
Kmart got money.
Five years later, Kmart has 250 stores nationwide.
Kmart is kicking everyone's ass.
Guess how many stores Walmart has five years later from 1960 to guess how many they have?
Five years later.
Kmart's got 250.
What do you think Walmart's got?
What'd they have at the same time as that?
No, they started off 0-0 on 1962 and a half.
Five years later, Kmart raises money.
They got 250 Kmart stores.
How many think Walmart's got?
A dozen.
A dozen?
He's close.
Nine.
Nine.
Nine stores five years later.
Today, Kmart's out of business.
Walmart has got two and a half million employees.
What's the point here?
You don't take care of your people, dude.
You ain't going to make it in capitalism.
This business sucks.
This concept of capitalism, you ain't going to sleep at night.
If you're going to sit there spending your money, going to gambling, drinking, bullshitting, not treating your guys good, someone's going to come and do it better than you.
It's that simple, right?
Walmart proved it.
Kmart, Circuit City, Blockbuster.
You can go on and on and on with the stories.
There is nothing that's the great equalizer than business when you don't take care of your people.
So businesses have that pressure forever.
But let me put the opposite side.
There's more people that are employees than there's businesses.
You also are creating a reputation.
You know how, I'm going to put an idea out there.
If somebody really did this, I think this would blow up.
I'm going to put this idea out there.
You ready?
Okay.
We have Glassdoor, no?
So if you want to go rate, like you can go to Glassdoor and check my ratings as a CEO.
It's going to say, oh, this guy's this, this guy's that.
You'll hear some stuff about me, right?
You can go check any CEO on Glassdoor.
Fantastic.
Okay.
You can go on all these other places.
How about we flip it?
We create a Glassdoor for employees.
Every time you work at a company, you get graded.
And the employer scores you when you leave the company on who you were.
Now there's a Glassdoor for the employee.
So millions of people in America now have a score for how good of an employee you are.
Sounds like a social credit score.
No, no.
I'm sorry.
But wait a minute.
If the big guys have the pressure and they got that magnifying glass under, why shouldn't everybody else?
I agree with you.
Isn't that what a resume is?
They check.
No, it's not.
No, it's not.
Are you kidding me?
Like, you know, when people I do interviews, and I'll say, so, hey, there's a year and a half gap here.
What happened?
My mom was sick.
I was taking care of my mom.
That was just a very emotional, tough time for us.
Like, wow, I'm so hard.
What do you ask in that moment?
Do you sit there and you say, and the mom is 48 years old?
Dude, your mom's a fitness model.
You're sick.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But the point is, this is the stuff that you don't see.
So if we really want to go there, I'm totally cool with it, man.
Let's just put your score online.
Let's see how good of an employee you are.
And then maybe we realize, dude, this guy's been fired nine times in five years.
Okay, no, we ain't hiring you or change because the market's overpaying you and you suck flat out.
Your former employee starts suing you.
Yeah, the former employee starts suing you.
Yeah, because you're giving them bad ratings.
I think if there is, I think if this was an open thing that we all did and there's accountability on both sides, let's go at it.
It's very simple.
Let's go at it.
Dude, I think that there's a lot of people that would be super into that.
I think so too.
And I think maybe it's a business model we ought to consider.
Who knows?
Maybe we'll do it.
Anybody else doesn't go to it?
I'm not sure.
I'm going to say one thing about the other thing.
Yeah, didn't you do that where you could rate your exes or something like that?
And it was like, it could be a very good thing.
Yeah, I'm sure there's not a lot of vindictive exes or anything like that.
I forget what it was called.
Oh, my God.
Only women, only women could date men.
I mean, could rate like dudes.
But the problem with it was, was like, you didn't make your own, oh man, what was the name of this?
You didn't make your own profile.
Somebody made a profile for you.
And then if you were a player, they sent it around.
And next thing you know, it was called like Pickle or something like that.
What the hell?
What was the name of this thing, man?
Bad Dating Guy.
Yeah, dude.
Hey, are you on Pickle?
No.
Yeah, man.
It was an ex's radio.
That's not going to be a lot of people.
Well, that's the same thing with ex-bosses.
All things end poorly or else they wouldn't end up with it.
By the way, I'll give you an idea.
If you hired me at 16 years old, this was my resume.
You ready?
There you go.
You shouldn't have hired me.
X-rated lets you review your X from hygiene to mojo to all the world to see.
Huh.
Okay.
It's called X-rated is what it's called.
I don't know where I got picked.
2011.
That's awesome.
Sam, 10 years old.
X-rated is a lot better name than Pickle.
But let's stay on this story.
He was talking about some things.
Can you go to the same PowerPoint by JD?
I want to give this guy a proper shout out.
His name is Jason Doran.
He's the chief investment officer of NLG.
The guy is an absolute G. One time him and I had dinner together in Dallas.
Brilliant guy, chief economist there.
So go to go five down.
Go five down, five down, keep going, going until it's the three.
One more down, one more down.
Okay, right here.
Check this out.
Go a little bit so people can see what the title is at the top.
So, okay, what else is driving labor shortage?
You know, this entire time we're with this guy, he doesn't talk about inflation.
He spends most of the time on this slide right here: wageflation, wageflation, wage flation.
Two slides up, go quick, two slides up.
Wage flation.
Will declining labor force participation lead to wage flation?
This is a complete different angle on what's going on with salary.
So go to two slides down.
Watch this here.
It says, number one, rising asset prices have allowed many U.S. citizens to retire early.
So he says, number one reason why this is taking place is because boomers are leaving the workforce.
Their million half is now 3-2.
So they can retire now.
Because we're paying them rent.
Exactly.
So now they're going to say, look, I'm out of here.
But remember, baby boomers, there are 76 million of them.
So if these guys retire, it's a lot of people that are retiring that can still do the job.
The second thing he talked about is the younger generation is coming into the workforce later.
So U.S. citizens are entering the workforce later than ever.
More than 60% of Americans have completed at least one year of college, up from 40% in 1991.
So they're going in.
Typically, let's just say we're going to work for 22.
Now they're going in 26, four years later.
So you're not getting these guys.
That's a lot of sense.
And then the last one he talks about is immigration into the United States at multi-year lows.
Since 2016, net migration into the United States has fallen 76%.
Can you zoom in on that?
Because I want people to see those numbers.
That's not a small number.
Zoom in a little bit more and take it to the left.
Yeah, a little bit more.
Okay, that's perfect.
So that's the legal impact.
That's the legal.
You're right.
That's the legal.
I also like how they counter it as net migration.
So does that mean that there's a lot of people making money that are leaving the United States?
Well, that could be the case as well.
But look at that.
So look at from 2010, $698,000 per year to $774,000 goes up, goes up, goes up.
Then 2016, Trump gets elected, 1,047, then it drops to 930,000, 702, 477, 247.
That's a low.
So that means we're also not getting some of these engineers that are coming from India or some of these people that are coming from different places that are helping.
So the bigger concern he emphasized was wage flation, not inflation.
You as an employer, you feel that.
When you're going out there trying to recruit people, you're like, man, I want to get this guy here, but shit, the rate for this is this.
And if I bring this guy from New York, you're a media company, he's making $110 over that.
How do I sell him to come over here?
It becomes unsustainable because you end up, you know, you got, when they're saying, oh, you know, I got all these offers other places, you know, and then they're trying to leverage those offers to stay where they are, but for higher pay, you have to make a determination.
Is it worth it to you to pay them that amount?
And if you don't have any other options, in some cases, you have to bite the bullet and do it.
And the business suffers as a result of it.
So, David, if you can get off that and just come back to us so we can talk about this, it does.
It definitely does.
So this is what forces many business owners that sit there and say, maybe I got to outsource.
Maybe I got to get more technology.
Maybe I got to figure out a way to automate this.
Maybe I got to some of the stuff you got to figure out a way to automate because this is going to impact.
You know what that's going to impact the most?
It's going to impact the guy that's running a business making, you know, grossing $3 million and they're netting $200,000.
He's going to take a hit because he can't afford to do that, right?
It's going to impact the guy that runs a restaurant with 50 employees and all of a sudden it's going to sit there and say, dude, how am I going to, because how many boomers have you seen as waiters?
I go to Casa D'Angelo.
I swear to God, there's like seven bar, seven, what do you call it, waiters that are 55 plus.
That's a boomer.
They're nearly 60 years old and they're waiting.
That's a pretty good six-figure income salary.
So if these guys are like, I want to get out of it, dude, how do I replace this?
Well, that's the same thing.
Think about that.
Like, I mean, you know, if you're offering me 50 grand and I can make 50 grand as a bartender on the beach, which one am I doing?
I can see you as a bartender.
100%, bro.
You would crush it.
I think the floor has come up.
I mean, if you know just a little bit of Spotify and you know just how to create just a little, like a small internet business for yourself, something on Instagram with some targeted ads.
I mean, you can make $35,000 from home just doing automated ads, something.
You know what I mean?
So, I mean, there's there, again, it's a disruptive thing.
The business owners have to compete for the labor.
The same way labor has to compete for the job.
The business owners have to compete for the labor.
And do I feel bad for the business owner?
As a failed business owner myself, yeah.
You put everything into it.
But also the fact the guy has to, you know, eat 50 grand and go from a $250,000 net to a $200,000 net, boo-hoo.
I want my extra $10,000.
Like, you know what I'm saying?
That's the game.
That's the game that's being played right now.
You guys want the labor.
The labor wants the capital.
And the person who's really killing it is the people who own the other side.
But is the solution to just keep paying people more or to find a way to get more people into the workplace and stay in the workplace?
I think the solution is, well, we didn't even talk about who has access to credit and who doesn't.
I mean, that's another thing.
Who has access to lines of credit?
Who can play the long game?
Yeah, but then that goes against your argument.
How?
Let me explain why.
Let me explain how and why.
So, for example, okay, who reads this and says, hell yeah?
Who reads this and says, hell yeah?
Who reads this and says, I freaking, who else, though?
International conglomerates.
Who else?
The employees are getting paid more.
No, no.
You're right.
It's the employees getting paid more.
But who sits there and says, I freaking love this?
I hope this goes another 10 years.
Guess who?
You're on the right track, Jordan.
Banks?
The big companies.
Yeah.
The big companies are sitting there saying, hell yeah.
Force my competition to go out of business.
Sure.
Now, here's the part there.
Anyone who can afford it.
Exactly.
So here's a part.
Here's a part.
Who do big businesses hate the most when they wake up in the morning?
Competition, small business.
The government, regulation.
I don't know.
They love regulation.
I don't know if they hate those guys.
Believe it or not, I think what's happened the last two years, you really think Bezos wakes up and says, oh, that was a terrible, you know, $3 trillion.
We said, we should have never done that.
Oh, okay.
You made initial $80 billion or $200.
That benefited him.
So who this hurts.
Who got shut down during the pandemic?
Who didn't?
Yeah.
Do you think the big businesses are scared of the little guys down the block?
1 million percent.
Tell me why the big businesses are scared of the little guys.
What are you talking about?
I mean, the little guys are Patrick Beverly.
The little guys are these players that are just annoying you.
It's the small business owner that's annoying you.
It's the message he can give that you can no longer give.
Because they can nip away at the margin.
Yeah, the little guy is this guy.
The little guy is us.
The little guy is the guy's like, listen, come work for us.
We want to change the world.
We want to do something big.
The big guy's like, well, no, no, you know, we're going to give you better benefits.
I'm like, oh, shit.
Little guy's like, let's go against those guys.
Those guys are the enemy.
Let's go do it the right way.
People are turned on by the little guy.
The little guy is very, very annoying to the big guys.
So for you, as you're saying that, I agree.
I think, you know, the whole, what did you call it, the tree filtering fire?
There's a word you used.
Said every once in a while, the forest needs to go through its self.
There's a word for it.
You know, where forests catch on fire and then you have to, you know, kind of get more sun.
Yeah.
Every once in a while, you kind of got to go through that, where some people get filtered out and don't make it.
And some people got to get filtered out both on the employee and as well as the corporate.
I totally get that.
But if your philosophy continues, the guys that are the biggest pain in the ass to biggest business owners are your allies, small business owners.
Those are the guys that can't afford this.
I don't disagree with you on a theoretical level, but on a baseline level, I don't think the person who's trying to feed their family has to worry about, you know, in 10 years out, what does this mean for the global economy?
I think that if they have the opportunity to 25% their income, they have to take it in that moment, right?
So, and it's, and again, when I talked about access to, you know, financing, access to, if you have receivables, you have access to money that normal people don't.
And if your business goes under, you can BK without personal responsibility in a way that people can't personally BK, right?
So there's different protections available for businesses as well that aren't available for sole proprietors or employees, right?
So, I mean, there's a level of risk in all of this for everybody.
Yeah, the difference is in a business when it goes, you lose everything that goes with that business, the reputation, the investors, the idea of coming back and doing it again.
You know, we hear a lot of success stories, but what you don't hear about is a lot of guys that people didn't want to invest in because their first deal, second deal, third deal didn't go.
I'm like, listen, I'm done.
You know, you can't figure this thing out.
There's that story as well.
I agree with you on what you're saying on the personal side, but on the personal side, there's a lot less risk and it's a safer environment.
To be what?
An employee?
my gosh it's a lot it's a lot more you you you listen i've been an employee and i was a bad employee okay Bob's big boy did the right thing firing me.
You can fire from Bob's big boy.
I got five, I'm very proud of it.
Bob's big boy fired me because I ate the coleslaw in the walk-in freezer.
And too many times they told me that coleslaw was delicious.
Bob's big boy and Glendale Burbank.
If you remember those days, I loved your coleslaw.
It was frozen?
It was frozen.
Burger King, I was a terrible chef.
They wouldn't make me a cashier.
Good thing they fired me.
Didn't work out.
Haagen does.
Haagen does, I probably gave away more free ice cream and I worked.
I was just like a guy that was having fun with everybody working there.
Yeah, that guy should have gotten fired.
I go to the military.
I get my ass kicked.
I come back.
I become a great employee.
I become a great leader.
Things change.
Life changes, et cetera, et cetera.
I totally get that part.
But on the individual side, like, listen, today you're like, dude, you don't want to take care of me?
I got another job.
Go.
I got another place to go.
Go.
The employer can't lead you.
Most employers are afraid to lead.
Now, the employer that's done a good job and saved money, like, you want to go?
Go.
I'm going to find the right guy.
Don't worry.
The small business owner who's only sitting on $200,000 on a bank, he can't afford to lose you.
And today, employees are bullying small business owners than the other way around.
Not big business owners.
You can't bully the big business owner.
They don't give a shit.
Go.
But the small business owner today, Gerard, is getting shorter.
How much of that, too, though, is the lifestyle changes.
Like, again, the younger generation, they're living in vans, minimalist lifestyle.
Again, when I was growing up, if you were 21 living at home, you were a loser.
If you were 25 and you had roommates, you were a loser.
Like now, everybody lives at home until they're 30, or they've got six roommates in Brooklyn.
Like everybody has this minimalist lifestyle.
This entire younger generation, the Zennials or the Millennials, it's all about limiting their liabilities so that they can have freedom.
They're exchanging the wealth dream for a freedom dream.
They want to be able to travel whenever they want.
They want to be able to do whatever they want.
So again, I don't have a problem with that.
Don't as employers, all I'm saying is that in this environment, I just think whoever adapts to this new generation of employees is going to win.
Their motivations are different, is what I'm saying.
They're not getting married at 22 like our parents did.
They're not raising kids at 25.
That's just a bunch of gibberish.
And let me tell you why.
It's not.
Yes, it is.
Absolutely.
That's a bunch of gibberish.
I've lived with it.
No, it's a bunch of gibberish.
Listen, what are you talking about?
Like the Woodstock era, hippie era.
What were they doing?
Were they like, oh, maximalist?
No, they were minimalist.
It's a very small percentage of the population.
Then it's a very minimal percentage.
You know how inspired people are today to go create.
And everybody today wants to be an entrepreneur.
How many people's Twitter profile in 1930 said, I want to be an entrepreneur?
Well, no, but again, doesn't that speak to my point that there's no options out there for you?
No, it means today people are inspired to make an impact.
They want to do something.
But they saw what happened in 08.
That's the whole story where it goes through.
This happened after 08.
They saw their parents lose their house over the mortgage crisis that happened and said, listen, I don't necessarily think buying a house is the American dream.
And I think that's the part of it.
Let me show one tweet.
I want to get Seth's feedback here.
Go to our friend Robert Reich, the motivational speaker, who said, do you know how much CEO pay has skyrocketed since 1987?
100%?
500%?
Try 1,322%.
This is unsustainable.
I responded.
It's a source of inspiration for kids to be a CEO one day.
NBA's 1978 MVP Bill Walton made $100,000.
Now Steph Curry makes $46 million a year.
That's an increase of 46,000%.
Is that unfair that people playing a game make more money than CEOs creating a job?
I'm happy for both.
You sound bitter towards CEOs.
FYI.
You know how much the highest paid professor makes in America today?
Do you know the number?
Highest paid?
Including book sales?
No, no, no.
Just highest paid professor.
What do you think he makes?
He or she makes it a.
$100,000, man.
Way more than that.
I'm actually curious what you say.
No, they don't make a ton of money, man.
Give me the highest paid professor, how much they make today.
I actually researched this yesterday.
You got to assume it's somebody that's teaching law at University of Harvard or something like that.
What's making a million dollars a year?
$400,000.
Okay, that's a lot of money for a professor.
For the highest paid.
Fauci makes $400,000 plus.
Yeah, the Fauci.
So highest paid professor in America today.
I want to pull this up.
Highest paid professor.
I don't know if I send you the list.
Robin D'Angelo, $50,000 a year.
No, no, no, no.
You're about to be shell-shocked.
The highest-paid professor in America today, pull it up.
It's the first one right there.
Go up there.
David Silvers, folks, he makes, ready?
$4.33 million a year.
What?
Professor.
Clinical professor in dermatology and pathology, $4.3 million.
Zev Rosenwax makes $3.3 million.
Professor, these poor professors are broke.
Yeah, but they are.
Are they getting paid by the school that amount or they're making that in their career and then they happen to be a professor?
He's making that as a professor.
$2.6 million.
He's going down.
These are private universities, at least.
Okay, William, $1.9 million, $1.19 million.
Anyways, so the point is, the point is, should we not pay these professors?
I don't care if they're making that kind of money.
Totally fine with that.
They never go after NBA players for the amount of money they're making.
Hell, what's his name?
Mahomes just got a half a billion dollar contract and he bought the Royals as a 22-year-old player.
So, you know, this whole thing with Robert Wright going after business owners, what are your thoughts on this with his position on CEOs having their salaries increased by 1,300%?
Well, I mean, I think you nail it, bitterness, right?
He sounds bitter towards them, resentful.
You know, first of all, I'd be interested in knowing when he's talking about the pay increasing.
You know, a lot of this, a lot of this is CEOs oftentimes have equity, right?
And their value, their net worth goes up a lot more than their pay.
This is one of the topics we were getting into with Elon Musk a little bit.
He was like, you know, people are acting like I don't pay enough in taxes because on this, you know, I have hundreds of billions of dollars and I'm not paying enough in taxes.
He's like, my value is in my Tesla stock.
You know, investors decided that Tesla is a trillion-dollar company and I own 20% of that company, which means I'm worth $200 billion.
And that doesn't mean I haven't realized those gains, so I'm not going to pay taxes on that money.
And the second you start selling it off, it goes down.
So it's not even real.
Yeah, and it may go down.
The value of Tesla may go way down next year, and then his net worth goes way down.
But those things come and go.
But he took the risk of building that company, almost went bankrupt at certain points.
But yeah, I mean, CEOs take a lot of risk.
You know, if they're providing value that results in that kind of pay, then that's good for them.
And people should be inspired to try to get to those roles, those positions, rather than saying, you know what, you make more than me.
That's wrong.
We should make the same amount.
That kind of like, that's what I'm saying.
You're thinking an employee should make as much as the CEO.
Anybody, like, we work with hundreds and hundreds of people.
I've never heard anybody here in this building or any other company I work for that say, what is it worth doing?
You know what?
I should make as much as Pat.
You should hang out with some more socialists.
Do you remember that company?
Maybe in like the corners of Brooklyn, but I don't know anybody in the real world that actually thinks that the underwriter should make as much as the CEO.
Who was the guy?
This never happened.
It was the last time you were in Los Angeles.
Who is the guy that was a CEO and he was making like a couple million or five million a year?
I had him on.
I had him on as a game.
Yeah, yeah.
He decided everybody, right?
Including himself.
They all got paid the same.
How did that work out for him?
How did that work out for me?
You know what I asked him when I interviewed him?
What?
I said, let me ask you a question.
You think everybody should be paid the same?
I do.
I said, who owns your company?
He says, I do.
I said, wow, you want 100%?
I own 100% of the company.
Wow, your company does a lot.
So you're worth about $100 million.
I am.
I said, how many employees you got?
He said, 100%.
I said, I think you should follow your philosophy and give everybody 1% of equity.
Right, share it.
If you really are about.
And you should have seen.
If you've never seen this interview, you've got to watch that reaction.
He was so upset with me when I asked that question.
I said, it's equity.
If you really want to follow that philosophy, follow it all the way through.
He says, I'm going to think about it.
I'm like, okay.
Salary, dude, equity matters so much more than salary.
Equity is the fastest way to wealth creation in a business that's growing.
You hold equity in that business.
That's how you create wealth, not by trying to incrementally increase your salary over and over and over again.
So, you know, CEOs that get there, that figure that out, you know, they deserve that money.
Yeah, with millions of sleepless nights, missing a lot of parties.
By the way, that stat, the whole 1,322, I went and looked it up because yesterday Ruslan sent me a text saying, I don't know if you saw that.
He sent a message saying, is this calculated based on this?
I said, just go read this link.
Here's how they came up with that formula.
The formula that everybody keeps talking about, CEOs were paid 350 times more than employees, all this other stuff, go all the way down.
What do you think was the average CEO of a top 350 firms in America in 1978?
Gerard, what do you think is the average salary firm?
In today's equivalency?
No, no, in that time.
Not inflation, just pure.
What was their salary?
1970.
In 1978, what was their salary?
Well, I mean, you know, who have 350 firms?
1978, Reggie Jackson was the first million-dollar player, right?
Is that true?
So let's say $500,000.
Okay, cool.
Go down.
By the way, this is the average less than that, right?
You're right.
It's less than that.
Now, watch this.
I looked at this.
I'm like, there's no way.
Keep going down.
Keep going.
You'll see it.
It's a very, it's a chart right there.
The average salary of a realized CEO realized a compensation was $1.7 million in 1978.
Exactly.
Okay.
And today it's $24 million.
So they're upset, but they forget that in 1978, they were making $1.7 million.
Tyler, what's more than that?
Tyler, what's $1.7 million in $1978 today?
Let's see equivalency.
What's $1.7 million in 1978?
These conversations to me, man, are like, they're just so distasteful.
But here's the part, though, Gerard.
If it's not somebody else is making it.
If it's not unpacked, it sounds like, what up?
Are you kidding me?
Of course.
These guys shouldn't be paid this kind of money.
This is what they do.
This is the manipulation.
Let's find out here.
Go $1.78 million.
Is that a million or billion?
I think you put billion.
You put ones there, which is fine.
Yeah.
7.7 million.
Yeah, so it's what?
Three times more.
Three times more than the average inflation rate of 3.36.
Okay.
Yeah.
So they've created more value, bigger company, more employees, they get paid more.
That's the idea.
You build, you win.
I mean, winners are supposed to win.
I mean, that's the idea, man.
So then the formula is really they should say it's increased three times more.
Adjust it to inflation.
They'll never say with money.
So just like the just like our great emperor Joe Biden said, the media needs to do more to stop disinformation.
Well, and this is, but this is what creates the resentment that leads people to thinking they're working in a toxic workplace, right?
Like this is, they don't have to say, they don't have to say everybody should be paid the same.
They just have to say they shouldn't be paid anywhere near as much as they're being paid.
And then they can get everybody else to resent them.
And then they feel the pressure to have to readjust how their company is structured to try to make everybody happy.
But Seth, they somehow make it like that money should have been your money.
Like that money created was somehow supposed to be somebody else's money.
Everybody looks at it like it's a big slice of pizza.
And if this guy has two slices, that's one less slice for you.
It's not.
It's air in the balloon.
If anybody wants to do a fun little thing, draw a little square in a balloon and blow air in it.
And as the whole balloon gets bigger, watch that square get bigger too.
That square is yours.
So when the economy grows, your square grows with it.
It's not somebody else's.
What a great visual.
What a great visual.
SauceTalk's money visual, by the way.
Sawstakes will take care of that.
Okay, so let me say one thing about employees.
You're the last person, and we're changing that.
Let me just say one thing about employees because obviously we've covered a lot of what CEOs think.
We have two, I assume you're CEO of your company, founder, CEO.
A phrase that gets used or doesn't get used enough, I think, is the great reset.
Everyone's talking about the great resignation.
Everyone's resigning, resigning.
No, these people are following else.
Unless they're just sitting home collecting unemployment, which I don't know how many people are still continually do that.
If they are, you know, Loserville.
But I think a lot of people really are just, it's the great reset.
Basically what COVID did is a lot of people had to sit home for whether it was three, six, nine, 12 months and say, does this really what I want to be doing with my life?
Is this, am I working in hospitality?
Do I actually want to do this or do I want to pursue something else?
So a lot of people have taken this time to say, let me reassess really, and you've touched on this.
Is this giving me meaning and purpose in my life?
And a lot of people have just changed careers.
I think 50% of workers are thinking about changing an actual career.
So I know we're talking about a lot of CEO and a CEO pay and a great resignation, but these people need to fall somewhere else.
There's always going to be losers out there that have no purpose or drive or willpower that want to do something with their life and they're just going to take the government checks and the stimulus and take the unemployment and just leech off the government as much as they can.
But a lot of people are saying, you know what?
I was working in hospitality.
You know, there's a difference.
You talk about this all the time.
There's a difference between having a job and having a career.
So all this great reshuffle, maybe that's a different term, is people saying, you know what?
I'm not finding fulfillment and finding joy.
And let me find something I can do long term.
That should be your goal.
So what percentage is that?
Because the flip side of that is the follow-on, which you have to be very careful with.
So this one guy posted something the other day.
Freaking ridiculous thing he posted the other day.
Cindy Kobo sent it to me.
I want to give this guy a shout out.
It was such a freaking emotional thing to read.
Cindy, if you send it to me, let me see.
Hang on one second, guys.
I promise you, this story is worth you reading.
I'm going to send this to you.
It's by Sean Whalen.
I don't know if you follow Sean Whalen or not.
Lions Not Sheep.
Is that what it is?
I actually don't follow him.
That guy actually owes me $10,000 because we bet.
Because we bet the guy with the beard and the tattoos.
Yeah, we bet, much like how we had a bet, who would win the presidential holders in 2022.
So you got the money here.
I did.
You paid Sean Whalen's ducking.
Pull out what I just sent you and put it up.
So this guy posts a story, and I think it has a lot to do with what you're saying.
And people have to be very careful because a lot of people can listen to what you just said and said, yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing.
But the reality is you just quit when shit got tough.
Let me show this to you on what he put as a father with his son.
So incredible, incredible story.
So can you make that bigger?
So that's him and his son.
Okay.
That picture itself is so emotional when you just look at that kid.
Look at that kid right there.
All right.
So I love being a dad more than I'll ever be able to orate.
This is my son after a bloody war of a wrestling match tonight.
Real talk.
He's been hating wrestling this year.
He's 15 and in his head about a lot of stuff, trying to figure out a lot of things.
And he flat out didn't want to wrestle.
I told him he didn't have to wrestle, but he had to get a full-time job instead by a certain date.
And he didn't.
So as a man of his word, he wrestled.
It's been a mental battle for him.
I've been watching him and working to be a supportive, but encouraging dad to hold space for him, but to push him.
This morning, he got pinned, and I could feel his frustration.
I could see it in his energy.
He was mad and dejected.
So after his match, we had a chat.
I told him, as I've told him many times, that it's in a deep water a man is forged.
It's in the pain that the strength is found.
And it's only the hottest fires that makes the strongest weapons.
I told him earlier today that inside of him was a savage, a literal raging lunatic, and that's who needed to show up in the next match.
I told him to imagine that this match determined if his family literally lived or died.
I had him close his eyes and visualize winning to visualize his savage inside of him.
Right before he got on the mat tonight, I grabbed his face and told him, I love you.
Now go be violent.
He went three rounds, bloodied his opponent, and came off the mat with the victory and blood pouring out of his mouth.
I was emotional.
I was choked up because I saw the savage.
I saw the man who overcame the frustration and fear.
And the man who will walk into life and not suck him, succumb to mediocrity and pain.
Life is not fair.
Life isn't easy.
Life wants to kill you and beat you down at every turn.
And tonight I saw my son dig into the place in your soul that most humans run from and avoid.
I saw in his eyes the savage gladiator who will find peace in the storm and who won't run from fear or pain.
I love my children.
I love them deeply.
When they are woven in my heart, they are woven in my heart.
And I ask God every day to give me strength and insight to lead them.
Tonight was a special experience.
I will never forget.
I pray he never forgets this.
This is emotional.
So to me, Adam, as much as I want to sit there and agree with you, I hate to say this to you.
A lot of people call me when they're going through that mode.
And you know what they're simply doing?
Things are hard and they're quitting.
If you quit because things are hard and it's really you're in the heat of the moment, you ain't making a career change.
You're gonna go to another job or company and shit's gonna get hard there as well.
And then you're gonna quit again.
It's like relationship.
Marriage is hard.
Relationship is the hardest thing you'll ever do.
What are you gonna do?
Go find somebody else and it's gonna get hard again and hard again and hard again.
For 10 to 20% of people that make sense that are going through that, I totally get it.
For the other 80% that are selective hearing, they're looking for, I saw a sign on a billboard that told me change careers.
Yeah, we can look for many reasons to get, you know, a lot of different things I leave behind.
People have to be very careful on messaging.
Again, I may be wrong, but I'm telling you, I saw something like this.
I would much rather teach my kid to say, by the way, good form as a dad to say, you're either going to get a job or you're going to quit wrestling.
You know, you're going to do one of those or keep doing wrestling.
Anyways, maybe wrong.
It is what it is.
I admire a man like this.
I just wanted to give him props.
Thank you for inspiring me to share this story.
Or else I would have forgotten.
Well, let me just say my.
Yeah.
I've been at the same job for 15 years.
You know, it's the financial industry.
You know what happened in 2008?
You think it was a bad thing?
Give that message.
But give that message, bro.
No, no, what I'm saying to you is inject that philosophy into that.
That's fine.
Dude, you're a millionaire because you didn't quit last 15 years.
I agree.
Yeah, you're a freaking stat.
How many freaking times could you have been distracted on something?
I agree.
However, if I hated my job two years in and I didn't want to stay there, I would have found something.
Let me get this straight.
Tell me you wake up every morning saying, I can't wait to do another life setting.
Not even a little.
Okay, then.
Exactly.
But how come you haven't quit?
Because now the money's too good.
But how many years into it did you start making money?
A couple years in.
It took me a couple years.
And then there was a dip after the recession, and then I had to build my way back to the business.
You were in an industry.
Exactly.
That had a lot of, you know, let me just sing to your praises here.
Everyone was basically trying to get into the mortgage industry in 2006, 2007, 2008.
And then everyone in the mortgage industry tried to get into the financial services industry.
And then look how the tables have turned.
Everyone is getting out of the financial services industry, trying to get into the mortgage industry.
It's just, everyone wants to follow a hot topic, hot trend.
I get it.
But this goes back to my initial point.
Yes, things will get tough.
You got to stick it out.
It's not always fun.
It's not always sexy.
But you need to find a career.
And ultimately, what I'm saying is if you're not happy in your job and you just need to take that reset or resignation, whatever, but find your career, more power to you, bro.
But yes, like this guy, like the rest of the people.
Don't do it because it's not going to be easy.
I think everybody knows whatever career path you take, it's going to be fucking tough.
How long have you been doing the writing business?
I've been at the helm of the B since 2018.
Okay, but saying, when did you start your writing career?
Well, I've been an entrepreneur since 2012.
Okay, so at any point, did you feel like quitting or just this is not for me?
Yeah, I mean, it's hard work.
You know, I don't get to take days off.
It bleeds into my vacation time, my family time.
It's very difficult.
It's strenuous.
And there's also, obviously, all the risk that comes along with it.
Not every business succeeds.
I've had my share of failures, investments that failed or startups that failed.
So yeah, it's hard.
You got to pick yourself back up and continue to just push forward and believe in yourself that you can get there if you continue to go instead of quitting, right?
The minute you resign yourself to just thinking, I'm going to take the easy road, well, it may be easier, sure, but it's certainly not going to be as lucrative or as fulfilling in the end because you didn't go out there and accomplish as much.
I mean, all these things.
The challenge is in the perseverance through it is what builds character.
It's the same thing.
You never have an opportunity to have any courage unless you're in danger, right?
Like these kinds of things, the positives come in response to the negatives.
And that's how you sharpen a blade is with that friction, right?
Look at his eyes, by the way.
Look at his eyes.
Honestly.
Look at his eyes.
For me, eyes tell a story.
You know what those eyes tell you?
You said you have an eight and a six-year-old.
Yeah.
Dude, those eyes are like, you think I'm going to be by the business or my kids, dog?
Like, what do you want me to tell?
It's a pain of a person.
That part needs to be given more.
I want to change subject because we haven't had any of our subjects.
This 20-minute story became an hour and 10-minute story.
And we had a meeting yesterday to get more structured, and we broke our own rule.
But this is our top story.
This was fantastic.
Fantastic.
Okay, next one.
Joker, lose a shot at tennis history as Australia deport star.
I'm going to read two of the stories about this guy.
And can you pull up some of the tweets in regards to Joker?
So, Novak Djokovic's anti-vaccination stance has cost him a potential payday of $2.1 million in a shot of tennis history.
After the play losses battle to remain in Australia and was deported, a Serbian boarded a flight from Melbourne airport late Sunday night after the nation's federal court upheld the decision to revoke his entry permit over fears his presence would strengthen anti-vaccination sentiment.
It wasn't up to the court to decide on the merits of the decision, only whether it was illogical or legally unreasonable, unreasonable.
The player could face a three-year ban from entering Australia, but the prohibition may be waived if there's under compelling circumstances.
Okay.
So this whole situation of him, what people don't realize is I think this would have made him the greatest of all time by winning.
Can you see who has the most majors in tennis?
I think they're all tied in.
They're all tied up to 22, right?
Federer, Djokovic, and Nadal.
Yeah.
And if he wins, he would have been number one.
He almost won one like two or three months ago.
Like he won second place because the other guy beat him.
Right.
By the way, that would be on top of his winning record against them individually.
He has a winning record against Federer individually.
He has a winning record against Nandal individually.
So if he also has the most majors, then the argument starts to go in his favor that he's the coach.
And you're a tennis player, so you would know this stuff.
You follow this up.
There you go.
So 20, 20, 20 total, six Wimbledon, eight for Federal.
Okay, so that's that part.
Now, go to what some people have to say about this, and I want to get our panel here to see what their thoughts are.
So who's this?
Law Girl?
Who is this person?
Do we know who this person is, or is it just a user?
Okay.
Djokovic cannot visit Australia for three years.
We are the only country that thinks it's okay to lock out the number one tennis player on the brink of being the best in the world, not because he's a health risk, but because he might make the 90% of its citizens already vaxxed not get a booster.
So go to the next two.
Let's read a few of these guys.
Make it bigger.
Okay, Joker is a great tennis player.
He's a great tennis player.
Mia Farrell is a great tennis player, but he lied and worse, he knowingly exposed people to COVID, had it with him, and every other arrogant, entitled person.
They're all dangerous in one way or another.
There you go.
Next one is Pierce Morgan breaking COVID rule cheat, immigration from Liar, and anti-vaxxer icon Novak Djokovic loses final appeal against deportation and will be thrown out of Australia without being able to compete in Aussie Open.
Look at that picture.
Yeah, Melbourne right above him.
And go to the next one there.
Ben, who's this from?
Ben Dominish.
I feel like Australia underestimates how this Novak Djokovic incident has grown to tar the entire nation as fundamentally anti-freedom and a place you should not visit for a long time to come.
As a tennis player yourself, what do you think about this story?
Look, I think at this point, Djokovic is a champion not just of tennis, but of freedom.
I mean, he is pushing for personal individual freedom to be able to make your own decisions.
The man is healthy.
The man is currently healthy, and he's prohibited from staying in the country and from playing the tournament.
Why?
What is the reason for that?
There's rules.
Everybody has to follow the rules.
But are the rules stupid or are they reasonable?
You know, if somebody's healthy and if he gets the vax, he can still spread COVID and people can still get it.
Then why is he prohibited from playing?
Just because he doesn't have it.
This is individual choice.
The man's currently healthy.
If he passes a COVID test and he's COVID-free when he walks into the stadium, why can't he play?
That's my question.
But, you know, he was willing to put, I mean, look, if he wins this tournament, which he was actually fairly likely to win it, he's the best player in the world right now, and he's won the Australian Open how many times?
Nine times, maybe?
I think it's like it's his own.
He's won it more than any other.
Like how Nadal has the French Open.
He's got a ton of the 100%.
He's the one he's most likely to win.
He'd win $3.5 million.
You know, the fact that he's taken a stance could potentially cost him his sponsorships.
Lacoste is looking into whether or not they're going to continue to have a relationship.
Get out of here.
He makes $30 million a year on sponsorships.
So that's, I mean, that's his primary income, right?
Is his sponsor.
So he put a lot at risk here to be able to stand by a conviction.
I respect that.
And I'm disappointed in other players who are piling on to him saying, you know, he's selfish.
Any major player, Andy Murray?
Nadal's had comments.
Nadal's been very aspect.
He basically said the tournament's bigger than any one person.
The focus needs to not be on him.
But he also said he knew the rules before he showed up.
He knew the rules.
He should have followed the rules.
We all had to follow the rules.
He's not special.
He's not an exception.
I think 98% 100 players are vaxxed in the Men's Tennis Association.
Well, they're making life easier for themselves.
And, you know, you have a choice to make.
You have to pay, there's a sacrifice now, and that's what they're trying to do.
They're trying to make it extremely costly to not go along with the program.
And the question is: does the program even make sense?
Adam, what are your thoughts on this story?
Well, look, I think, and I've actually asked multiple friends of mine who play tennis and have actually played against Federer, these types of legitimate people.
And there's a couple different angles I'll go here.
On the actual Australia, like he did lie and mishandle this.
And it was, you know, I forgot to do this.
And he did show up to a freaking photo shoot while having COVID.
So he could have handled it better.
I'll give you a different perspective.
If you asked everyone in the world, everyone around here, who are the best tenor players, most people would say Federer.
Okay?
Most people would even say Nadal.
I don't know if, I think Nadal and Federer specifically have such a grasp on who is the best tennis player because they're more likable and have a bigger persona and just their personality is more.
Djokovic, I feel like he doesn't have as much of, and you're a tennis player, as much likability within the tennis world.
Like we actually had, like, he's tied as the greatest ever, tied, but nobody, I don't think, really understood that.
So I feel like there's a part of him that, even with COVID, wants to get out there, win, become the great, become the goat, you know, become the GOAT.
But I don't know if he has the likability of.
Have you ever seen his interviews?
Have you ever seen him do interviews?
Not that, like, I can tell you a lot about Federer's personality.
Nadal, you know, good-looking, suave dude.
I don't know much about Joker.
Let me tell you, I've watched this guy's interviews, and to me, I look forward to his interviews.
I look forward to his interviews.
Because you can feel the level of intensity and commitment to his craft.
And when he loses or makes a mistake, like one time he hit the ball, I don't know, he hit the person on the side.
I don't know what it was, the situation.
And I'll apologize to him.
He felt like crap in the interview afterwards.
Like, he was like, and it wasn't a big deal, but he was like, you could feel the sincerity.
I don't know.
He got booted out of that tournament.
Yeah, I know he did.
Yeah, I remember that.
I know he did.
And he said, I deserved it.
Like, he didn't even come out and like, you know, Dak Prescott yesterday is like, yeah, I was a referee.
They threw, you know, whatever.
They threw stuff at the referee.
This guy took responsibility for his actions.
I think the fact that he, listen, if you got COVID, you're this big of a name.
You can't go to a place and not tell people you got COVID.
Did he have COVID?
I mean, he tested positively.
I don't know this stuff.
He's not tested unreliably.
He had no symptoms.
You know, he's got no symptoms at all.
He does have COVID.
Now, having tested again to make sure.
Yeah.
By the way, here's the flip side of it.
Here's the flip side of it.
How many flights do you think you're on?
And people who are on flights have COVID.
It could be the person sitting next to you.
You don't think people get on flights that have COVID?
Anyways, your thoughts.
We'll go to the next subject after your thoughts here.
Tell us.
Bro, the most famous moment of Michael Jordan's career is when he had a highly contagious virus and he had 103 freaking fever and he went out and won game six.
Flu game.
That's a great.
It's the flu game.
Yeah, this dude was highly contagious and was praised for going for fighting through it.
How many people did the evil Michael Jordan bring up a really good pose to fluenza.
It's a different time.
It's a different time where the wrong people have the microphone.
We've got to tell these people to shut up anybody that from from Australia that's allowing their government to do this.
You, you're.
This is on you.
I've never met anybody from Australia that was this type of person.
Everybody from Australia I've ever met was a man's man, loved freedom, hardcore person.
Same thing with Canada.
Every Canadian I ever met was an awesome, awesome, hard-working, freedom-loving person.
And you're letting these tyrants take over your country like this?
That's what I'm saying.
The rules are stupid.
Stupid, man.
The rules are stupid.
Dude, we're not allowed to say mass formation psychosis.
We're not allowed to say it, right?
But maybe we can say collective munchhausen syndrome.
Everybody's a threat to everybody now.
Everybody's sick.
Everybody's a threat to your well-being.
This is complete and total bullshit, dude.
This is one of the healthiest human beings on earth.
Literally, quantifiably, one of the most healthy human beings on earth.
And you won't let him into your country because he's a threat to your physical well-being?
What type of crazy bullshit world do we live in in now?
This is outrageous.
Yeah, the only thing I would tell you is the only thing I would tell you is if you're in a time like this at this level of sensitivity in a country that's the most sensitive, you have to take slightly a different approach.
You don't have to play the tournament.
Don't show up.
These are the rules they created.
You can't go and say, for example, like what you're saying to me, we're probably more on the same page on what you're saying.
But this is Australia.
This is their rules.
If that's what they're doing, if you knew, I don't know the story if he knew or not.
That's the part about the story.
Him and Aaron Rodgers are kind of similar.
By the way, a little bit of kudos to NFL for not doing anything to the guy.
That tells you as much as Roger Godell and NFL gets a lot of heat, good for them for him.
He's going to win the MVP.
Well, what I'm saying is, well, some of them are counting.
I don't know if you've been following stories lately.
They're saying Brady may win it.
I think it's Rogers' MVP, but they may give it to Brady.
But if you think about how Godell, this kind of validates maybe the NFL is doing a little bit better job than we thought they're doing than tennis, especially for Australia.
Anyway.
Well, the next thing up is the French Open, and it's going to be the same thing again.
Oh, you didn't see the story that they said they may not let him play in the French Open?
They may not.
Right.
Exactly.
Wimbledon's going to be the same story.
It's crazy to me.
You're saying that's the next player.
Well, there's only one thing that's going to be a lot of French Open.
There's going to be things, because that's not until May.
Right.
So keep in mind, I think there's an event in Dubai in the next few months.
There's a Miami Open in March.
It's the people's opening.
So we'll see what happens with that.
It's on the people.
It's on the people of Australia.
It's on the people of France.
It's on the people to say enough's enough.
This is nonsense.
Just a quick comment, too, about his reputation.
I mean, I follow the sport pretty closely.
I know a lot of people who don't like him and who have kind of gotten that same feeling, like he's not a very likable guy, whether that plays into this or not, and people are just out to get it.
I'm cool with it.
I'm just saying not as likable as Federer.
Yeah, maybe not.
You know, Federer for a long time got real cocky.
Remember Federer started walking out with a vest that had like his initials on it, like he was the greatest.
He's number one on his shoes.
Well, he was a big kind of arm.
He was, but there was a lot of arrogance there.
Djokovic has never done that.
He's never called himself, you know, the greatest and worn number one on his shoes and all that.
I've seen him overturn calls that the umpire made in his opponent's favor because he saw it was clearly in when the umpire called it.
Well, he was up 6-1 in that match.
This is bigger than Novak Djokovic.
They made an example out of him to show the rest of the country who's in charge and show the rest of the world.
They won't win longer.
Who's in charge?
They won one long.
Well, this is the thing, Pat.
And I was just out in Miami and I did my whole thing on my story.
And it was like, here's the truth of the matter, man.
Like, we all have to make a decision.
If you're on that team.
Quote unquote.
If I want to go to a restaurant in New York City, do I really have to show a permission slip from the Democratic Party that i'm that i'm, i'm obedient enough to eat because let's say, let that, that's what it is, that's what the Vax pass is.
It's a permission slip to the elites that i'm on board I I, I may, I may, I may, I please have a slice of pizza please.
I'm okay with the Democrats.
Like how can you be okay with this?
But but again, again.
Here's what it goes back to.
Jedediah Biela was sitting right here when she said, let them sink.
I don't have a lot of money, but the little money that I have, I'm going to pick it up and leave.
People like that are making a decision.
And Gerard, you know, when you pick up a bad habit, how long does it take until you realize this bad habit is ruining your life?
10 years or so.
But watch what you just said.
I'm actually being very serious with you.
Think about it.
We all have had a bad habit that got a hold of us.
I had a bad habit that got a hold of us.
Hold on.
How long does it take until you realize it's going to hurt you?
Well, how long do you realize that it's going to hurt you?
But then after the longer it goes, the longer it takes to fix it, man.
But again, but how long until you realize there's a consequence to this bad habit?
There's a difference between realizing it and actually doing something about it, though.
When I realize it, and the guys became scientists, I was basically flashed.
I've been saying it for all this time.
Why are you in biology?
That's why I struggle with that.
But just one other thing here.
What if the other players, what if Nadal, instead of saying these are the rules you got to follow?
What if Nadal had said, you know what?
I'm not playing the Australian Opath.
They don't let Djokovic play.
And then if Domino is other guys, they're not happy.
What a freaking point.
No tournament.
No tournament.
Great freaking point.
Then they would have to say, you know what?
Let the guy play.
He's healthy.
I thought that was the same thing.
You know who did the NBA?
But do you know who did that in the NBA?
Kevin Durant.
Kyrie Irving.
Did he stand with him?
He did.
He says, I'm never going to ask him to do it.
I support my teammate, Kevin Durant.
And guess what?
The NBA finally said, all right, let him play on the roll.
Yeah, but the difference is he actually played and he's been dominating.
He's been MVP type people.
Who are you talking about?
Durant.
Now he's out for a month, though.
Six weeks.
But to Seth's point, if Durant said, look, I'm going to stand with Kyrie.
And if he can't play, I can't play.
Now, if literally the league's potential MVP is saying, I'm also not going to play.
And half the players stand with them.
They have weight.
They have power.
but they love basketball too much they're not going to try to get into the it applies everywhere If we all stand up to tyranny together, then they can't push us around anymore.
It's when everybody's compliant and everybody's feeling that pressure because 99% of people are going along with it.
You stand out.
When Jokovich stands up and stands against it, he stands out.
He's the one that they can strike the question.
Let me ask you a question.
Because he's by himself.
How many of you guys listening?
Be honest.
Apes.
Hear me out.
This is the part that I love, capitalism and competition.
You have no idea how much I trust competition, okay?
How many of you are thinking about in 2022, family vacation?
Straight up, you're going to Australia.
Anybody who misses it?
I'm so inspired.
You know what?
It's a great point.
Let's go to the 50.
Shut up.
The sharks are stingray.
Car vax works.
Car vaxed.
If you're vaxed, you might want to.
No, you're not going to go to Australia even if you're waxed.
No one's outside, bro.
Like, what am I going to do in Australia?
The other day, I got a text from a guy on a cruise ship.
He's on a cruise ship.
There's 150 people on a cruise ship that fits 4,000.
He's like, here's me having breakfast with four other people.
Literally recorded the whole thing.
What are you going on a cruise ship for?
To be alone or go to a freaking different place.
There's a price to be paid.
Here's your next Babylon B headline.
There's not enough tourists to leave five stars.
Yeah.
All right.
Let's go to the next story here.
Next story.
Out of the 270 doctors in regards to Joe Rogan trying to censor him, only 100 were actually doctors, which is quite interesting.
So let me, what page is that on, by the way?
Is that a page five deal?
Let me go to page five.
Following the release of a viral Joe Rogan experience podcast episode featuring guest Dr. Robert Malone, a letter from more than 270 doctors describing Rogan as a, by the way, this is a post-millennial story, describing Rogan as a menace to public health was sent to Spotify during Urgent Company censor the podcast star.
It's since been revealed, though, that a large portion of those doctors are not practicing medical doctors.
Over 50 were PhD academics, 60 were college professors, 29 were nurses, 10 were students, four were medical residents, and a handful of science podcasters were included in the signatures.
Signatories of the letter.
Dr. Malone's interview has reached many tens of millions of listeners vulnerable to predatory medical misinformation, mass information, mass misinformation events of this scale have extraordinary dangerous ramifications, the letter states.
What difference does it make if all of them were doctors?
What if all of them were doctors?
Like, doctors can't disagree with each other.
I mean, you know, you're going to get 270 doctors that say this, and you can find 270 that say something different, and that's debate, right?
That's heresy.
There is but one science, and it is the word of science.
How dare you blaspheme science?
Which doctors get to speak for science?
Who decides which doctors get to speak for science?
Anthony Fauci.
He is the science.
He is science, right?
I am the science.
Praise science.
Praise be to the science.
I agree with you.
I don't think even if it was 270 doctors, 2,700 doctors that Spotify would have changed their stance whatsoever.
We talked about this last podcast.
They're winning right now.
And even if they were even a little bit concerned with these 270 doctors, the fact that it's just actually laughable, it's like, well, it's actually a nurse and actually an EMT and a couple of drunk guys who are actually an intern.
I don't want a guy who stands at a holiday and expresses that.
I think it's only going to strengthen their stance.
I don't think Spotify is going to do anything.
If there's anybody that's uncancelable at this point, we're looking at them right here.
Mr. Joe Rogan.
Look, this is the same thing that happened with Chappelle.
You try to suppress speech like this and you draw more attention to it.
It's the Streisand effect.
You know, the Streisand effect.
The Barbara Streisand effect?
I tweeted about this.
Yes, the Barbara.
You know what that is?
The Barber Streisand?
I'd hear about it.
I was shooting home by suing the photographer that took the pictures and a lawsuit attracted attention to the pictures and then millions of people saw them.
So she drew attention to these pictures that she didn't want anybody to see.
That's the Streisand effect.
It happens every time they try to censor people like this.
I tweeted about this when I saw that happen.
I'm like, now I have to watch this interview.
Now I have to.
I want to see what they don't want me to see.
By the way, just food for thought here.
One of the most important men in the world today, I want to keep emphasizing how important this man is and protect this man, folks.
I'm telling you right now, is a guy named Daniel Eck.
He is the CEO of a company called Spotify.
If it wasn't for him, Joe Rogan would be off of Spotify.
Power to Daniel Eck, the CEO.
Again, highly paid CEO, folks, but we should be like, really?
He makes a lot of money.
Evil.
Highly paid CEO has the backbone to Speaker.
I'm calling on him to apologize right now for how much money he makes.
He needs to apologize.
How dare you, sir?
He makes $17 billion more than the average Spotify artist.
Oh, my gosh.
Listen, Daniel Eck, you're a stud.
Keep doing what you're doing.
You're impacting the world in a positive way for giving a voice.
What I don't like, though, Pat, is what Robert Malone told you in that interview that doesn't exist.
The name that he copied.
They went and the Biden administration said, don't say this.
He says something.
And instead of them counteracting it, there's a hit piece the next day in the Atlantic.
And then social media, LinkedIn, and Twitter use that hit piece as an excuse to take him down as fake news.
So there's very, very clear, causality, causation, the whole amount, whatever, but there's a very clear chain of events here.
And it's like, man, they've got a whole hit squad infrastructure on how to justify taking you down.
There's a literal plan in place, a censorship plan in place that's coming from the people that we have in charge of protecting us.
There's also a market response.
It's devastating.
You've got Rumble hosted his interview after YouTube took it down, right?
Didn't they take they actually took that down?
I think better.
I think that's a good thing.
Yeah, Rumble is hosting.
Rumble is like an alternative to YouTube.
It's like a free speech alternative.
And they're like, the views on that are going crazy and people are flocking to Rumble.
So there's a market response to this, too, where people are getting fed up with YouTube and everybody telling them what they can and can't see.
Like, let us decide for ourselves.
Let us take in information from both sides and decide for ourselves.
Like, trust us to do that.
I got a call with the Rumble CEO this week.
They reached out.
Listen, all I trust, I'm telling you folks, no matter how much, go through idolizing competitors to demonizing competitors to humanizing competitors.
Trust competition.
It's good for you.
I'm telling you, competition is good for all of us.
Let's go to the next story because we can go 15 more minutes.
DeSantis says there's something going on with DeSantis and Trump right now that's a little bit, I don't know if you guys are following the story closely or not.
DeSantis says he regrets not speaking out much louder against Trump's recommendation to stay home.
Okay.
DeSantis, this is a CNN story.
Florida Governor DeSantis said one of his biggest regrets in office was not speaking out much louder in March 2020 when former President Trump advised the nation to stay home to slow the fast spreading coronavirus.
DeSantis blamed people like Dr. Anthony Fauci for advising Trump to consider shutdown Fauci, the country's top infectious disease expert, was part of the coronavirus response team that led by Vice President Mike Pence and included other health public experts, public health experts.
But the decision was Trump's to make and DeSantis ultimately followed the White House lead, closing Florida schools, government buildings, gyms, bars, and restaurants, dining rooms, and advising Floridians to stay home.
The other day, Trump was being interviewed.
Who was he being interviewed by?
Was it Hannity?
Oh, no.
He was being interviewed.
I don't know who was being interviewed by.
And he said, you know, there are certain governors out there that don't even have the backbone to say they've taken a booster.
Didn't say name.
Didn't say name.
But we know the girl that always interviews Trump, what's her name?
From Fox Business, Bartiroma.
Maria Bartiruma.
She was interviewing DeSantis and she said, hey, Governor December, have you taken a booster?
And he didn't necessarily say yes.
Didn't say yes, I've taken a booster.
Trump, when he was asked by Hannity, he said yes.
What do you think is going on here between Trump and DeSantis?
I think DeSantis is trying to put distance between himself and Trump, you know, show that there's a difference between him and how he handles things.
Because, I mean, like, what Trump is still the frontrunner, right, for the nomination?
I mean, he's in the Republican Party in the middle of the year.
76%.
Yeah, he's still the frontrunner.
DeSantis, you know, has received a lot of praise from the right on his handling of things, criticism from the left.
You know, they called him Death Santis and all of that.
But, you know, the lockdowns were so heavily criticized on the right.
And a lot of people saw it early on.
A lot of people said, hey, if we keep kids home, there's going to be problems.
If we stay inside, there's going to be drug problems.
There's going to be depression.
There's going to be suicides.
There's going to be that, you know, people were really telling, warning about what would happen.
And a lot of people went along with that.
I think it's good that he's saying that he regrets not coming against it.
I don't know that, you know, hindsight's always 2020, right?
Like, can you really know that that would have been the right thing to oppose at that time?
Maybe not.
But I think he's trying to distance himself from the state.
I got a question for you, follow up on that on that topic.
Sure.
The only reason he would distance himself is because he may run in 2023, 2024.
Because if he really doesn't want to run for president in 2023, 2024, he wouldn't push too hard against Trump because he's going to need Trump's votes in 2028.
So if he goes this angle, the way I perceive it is, I think there's my chances of DeSantis wanting to run officially went up 20, 30% simply because of his comment he made here.
That's how I see it.
have no other motive to call out Trump in this in this setting here than wait if you really only run in 2028.
I think he's running.
I don't know.
I think he's running in 2024?
No, listen, what he just said right there, he's trying to tell you voting for me is very different than voting for Trump.
That's a campaign message.
Again, I may be wrong.
I think that message works in the general election.
Listen, if Trump wants the Republican nominee, everyone should just stay home and not even waste their freaking time.
Republicans are on board with Trump.
If you're anti-Trump, Rhino, whatever, dude, move over.
Trump has that nomination.
Now, do I think Trump is going to get elected in the general election?
Likely not.
But we'll see.
We'll see if he's still as polarizing when it comes to 2024.
I don't think Biden is going to run again in 2024.
If I'm DeSantis, I look at the nonsense and I say, I know you might disagree.
You think he should strike while the iron's hot.
I look at the nonsense and I say, dude, I'll just see you guys in 2028 and just be the man and completely dominate at that point.
I don't think he wants to be in Trump's shadow.
I think that is not good for his long-term legacy.
Being Trump's VP, I don't think that's his look.
Gerard.
You die the hero, you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
He's hot right now.
He's never going to be hotter.
There's never going to be a weaker opponent if he's ever going to run.
It's now.
If he waits four years, that's four more.
But what do you mean by weaker opponent?
The Democratic Party is a big deal.
Yeah, but I'm not even talking about it.
He has not even like, you got to get through your primary before you even think about Democrats right now.
Do you think, here's the question for you?
Sure, sure.
You're a pretty smart guy.
If DeSantis runs, and obviously Trump, I think, is going to run, is there any chance DeSantis unseats Trump as the nominee?
You'd be the Republican Party?
I think you'd be shocked how many people, traditional conservatives, would back DeSantis over Trump.
I think that the MAGA.
So you think DeSantis would beat Trump in a primary?
Is that what you're saying?
I'm not saying that whatsoever.
I'm saying I think it would be a better fight than you think it would be.
And I personally believe MAGA has always been less about Donald Trump and more about somebody, anybody willing to fight back against the people.
I disagree.
I think it's just Trump.
That's it.
No, I go to the same thing.
So answer the question.
Can DeSantis beat Trump in a primary?
Yeah, for sure.
For sure?
There's no way you can have that kind of confidence for sure.
Can DeSantis beat Trump in a primary?
Let me ask you a question.
Why would you ask a question if you weren't going to accept an answer that came from the Let me ask you a question?
Do you think white is black?
No, it's not.
You're an idiot.
What kind of a question is that?
I just, I respect the fact that you actually think that way, but I just, you think actually somebody in today's climate, you think anybody can beat Trump in a Republican primary?
I swear to God, I think sometimes, man, you wake up in the middle of the night and you think Donald Trump's standing over your bed or something like that.
He's not a boogeyman.
The guy has no.
The guy has 85%, 90% approval rating in the Republican Party, if not if it's higher than that.
What's DeSantis?
DeSantis isn't doing well in Florida.
I don't think people know him on the national level.
Let me ask you this.
How much overlap do you think Donald Trump's audience is with Ron DeSantis'?
How much overlap?
Meaning similar beliefs, similar values, similar policies.
Very similar.
Very similar.
How much overlap do you think there is in Ron DeSantis' audience to Donald Trump's?
Who has broader appeal?
Nationally?
Sure.
DeSantis.
I said I would vote for DeSantis.
I wouldn't vote for a Trump.
Like you said, the 12%.
You just answered yourself.
Yeah, but I'm not in the Republican primary.
Are you talking about Republican?
Do you ever have thought that it was John Kasich who made it to the end of the last primary?
Dude.
No, that's, I mean, well, that's a traditional, you know, Mitt Romney-ass Republican.
Exactly.
Governor of Ohio.
Every establishment GOP, all the establishment GOP money, all the donors, they're all going to go.
Seth, what do you think?
What do you think?
About whether he'll run?
Yeah, whether he can beat Trump if he runs.
I mean, the polls change all the time.
It's hard to predict those things.
As of if it was held today, I don't think he can beat Trump.
You know, we'll see what happens over the course of time.
What else happens?
What else?
I think the media has done a very good job of painting DeSantis as reckless and getting it.
You know, when you go outside of Florida and people, when they hear about what's going on in Florida, you know, a lot of people think that Florida is like being run into the ground by DeSantis.
And he's just killing people.
You know, the media is doing a good job of that.
Everybody's moving to Florida.
I think you're way off, man.
I got so many friends and family.
New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, they think Ron DeSantis is running the promised land down here.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the numbers of people flooding here.
There's a lot of people who are part of that out, but it's a part of it.
Dude, I'm in Nevada.
I'm in California.
I'm in different places.
Here's what everybody says.
Dude, how bad is Florida right now?
I'm like, what do you mean?
How bad is Florida?
It all depends on where they get information.
So just so you dare.
And by the way, the way you judge to me who is the real candidate is who the opposing side trashes more.
So check this out here.
Check this out.
This kind of validates his point.
Go to page six.
Go to page six.
January 6th panel member floats 14th Amendment as a way to bar Trump from holding office.
This is a Washington examiner story.
Neither of Donald Trump's impeachment trials led to his conviction, which would have prevented him from returning to the White House.
Representative Jamie Raskin said, has another idea on how to bar the former president.
Raskin suggested that the constitutional provision preventing those who engage in insurrection or rebellion from holding office may prevent Trump from becoming a president for a second non-consecutive term.
Having lost to President Joe Biden in 2020, Trump is eligible for another White House term.
Polls show him the clear favorite to win the 2024 Republican nomination if he runs.
If there are people who did participate in insurrection or rebellion, they're constitutionally barred from holding federal or state office again.
Raskin, a member of the White House select committee formed the investigation, John's Alexander.
There's also another part of, you know, for example, Donald Trump has already been determined to have participated in the insurrectional rebellion by the virtue of pitch.
Okay, so you see where the story goes.
Yeah, that's bad news for George Washington and John Adams, huh?
Yeah, the place where I'm going with this is, where I'm going with this is, who is mainstream media trashing the most today?
That's who you got to look at as the number one.
Yeah.
So I think they're still, this is the one guy.
I was watching Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo the night Biden won when it was announced that Biden won.
And you see Don Lemon's like, look, I don't care what you're just, you're with us because we won.
And this is, you know, I'm just very emotional.
It's uncannily good, Don Lemon right now.
Now, did you see, Don, how he trashed Biden last night?
I did.
No, I don't hate myself enough to get it.
Did you see that anymore?
Yeah, it was pretty bad.
Well, Biden's had a horrible week with the voting rights and the mask mandates.
Come on, man.
Worst week of a presidency could possibly have.
It's been a terrible week for that guy.
To the point where Don comes after you and mainstream media comes after you.
Charlemagne the God.
Yeah, this website called Babylon B, Fake News You Can Trust, claims Kamala Harris is so bad, Hillary Clinton may run.
Dangerous website.
Yeah, so I don't know if you know that site or not.
Point is, who the hell is going to run on the other side?
We still can't come up with a name on that side.
I don't know, man.
Michelle Obama.
We discussed that last podcast.
We'll see.
Anyways, okay, so that's the part with Trump's story.
Let me go to another.
I think Hillary Clinton's considering losing again.
Is there, I mean, is there no shame with this January 6th stuff?
I mean, is there just no shame whatsoever?
They're just, they found their narrative.
They're sticking to it.
And this almost goes to what you were saying before, Pat.
Like, you can fool people some of the time, but not all the time.
There's so many Democrats that I know.
I mean, I grew up with nothing but Democrats.
As soon as they compared this to 9-11, everybody around us was like, what?
Coming in?
What's up now?
That's what I'm saying to you.
What?
What loyalty is?
Loyalty is.
You know, you have to know.
Your parents.
You ever seen your parents are like, okay, I don't know, mom.
Yeah, no.
That doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, that I don't know if we're going that far.
No matter when a bad argument is presented, you're going to sit there and you're going to say, listen, I know I'm a Democrat.
I'm a registered Democrat.
My entire life I voted Democrat.
I disagree with you.
It's just a 9-11.
This is a completely different story.
They've lost their mind when they go to a different angle.
Anyways, let's go to one story here.
Cowboys, they lost.
Again, can you pull up that stat that we have on the amount of victories, the amount of victories the Cowboys have.
Did you see that the last 25 years?
So here's a question for you.
Before you pull it up, I want to see what he's going to say.
I'll send you the, what do you call it?
I'll send you the tweet to put up there.
How many victories do you think the Cowboys have had, playoff victories, since 25 years, the last 25 years?
Does that go far enough back to Troy Aikman and Emmitt Smith?
And after that, after they had 25 years, 25 years.
How many playoff wins do you think the Cowboys have had in the last 25 years?
Tyler, I'm going to text it.
Matter of fact, just go to my Twitter profile.
How many playoff victories do you think they've had in the middle?
25 years asking.
In the last 25 years, how many is it?
A handful.
Go the other way.
So you said a handful, right?
Go the other way.
Go the other way.
Is it five?
You said five?
Yeah.
Okay, go a little lower, a little lower, a little lower, a little lower.
If it's not that way, maybe it's the opposite way.
I don't know.
Yeah, go the other way.
Up, go Check this out.
You're about to be blown away.
Boom.
Click on that.
Click on that.
The Cowboys have had three victories in playoffs 25 years.
Colin Kaepernick's got four.
Guys, Brad Johnson, Mark Sanchez.
Mark Sanchez ran into his lineman's got four.
Trent Bill for five.
Jake, if you asked 100 NFL fans who Jake Delome is, they couldn't tell you who played for.
Oh, the Panthers, man.
Carolina Panthers.
He went to the Super Bowl.
Five.
I understand.
But five more than the Cowboys the last 25 years.
So now here's the question.
Stephen A. Smith's having a time of his life.
Okay.
Yeah.
These guys, all year long, people thought this was going to be the year.
Dak got the money.
Okay.
A lot of people thought this is their year that they could do something.
That got his money.
Dak got some really good games.
I think he broke Cowboys' record with 37 touchdowns in games, whatever.
17, I'm sure.
That's a good point.
But I think he missed a game.
I don't know if he missed a game or something like that.
So it's really 16 games.
Is that true?
Yeah.
So you got to give him the credit that he did that.
What the hell is going on with these guys last 25 years?
What is it?
Any speculation?
At least Romo can now say it.
Well, it wasn't me.
I'm going to give you an answer.
And you're going to have a hard time defeating this.
Okay.
Because in the past 40 years, you've said there's been two Republican, two Democratic presidents, three Republicans.
We've had Reagan.
We've had Bush.
We've had Clinton.
Back and forth.
Back and forth.
Who's been the one constant?
And it's been Fauci, has it not?
Yeah, I agree.
In the past 25 years, who's been the one constant?
It wasn't Jimmy Johnson.
It wasn't Barry Switzerland.
It wasn't Jason Garrett.
Jerry Jones, you're 85-year-old old ass.
You're out of touch, buddy.
Time to take a move.
Time to stop running the team.
Turn it over to somebody else.
He is the one constant.
If the Cowboys makes too much money, if the Cowboys actually want to.
We need to tap.
Yeah, that's true.
If the Cowboys actually want to, you know, get over the hurdle, Jerry Jones got to go.
I, you know, do you have any other?
Dude, I just think it's like, it's just one of those, like the legacy media.
It's like the Cow.
I saw one tweet that was from Barstool that was hilarious.
This is a rough year for the Cowboy Yankee Laker fan.
This is a tough year for them, dude.
It's a, you know, there's so many franchises that are just famous for being famous.
Like Notre Dame is on every Saturday.
They haven't won anything.
You know, the Cowboys, America's team.
They haven't won in a generation, man.
It's like these are the 90s.
But you got a good cat.
They were in the game.
Yeah, and Game of Thrones was amazing for six seasons.
So let me ask you this.
So let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this.
Okay.
So I had this conversation with what is Penn, Penn Tom Penn.
Is it Tom Penn?
Yeah, the NBA.
Tom Penn, the NBA.
What are you describing when he was the cap specialist?
I had him on.
I said, and he was a president of LAFC, the soccer team.
He was a president of that.
He's a numbers guy.
He's a numbers guy.
So I said, who's the most important building?
Is that the David Beckham one?
Yes.
Okay.
I said, so who is the, I think so.
I may be wrong.
That's the galaxy.
That's the new one.
The LAFC is the new one.
So to be clear, Beckham's here in Miami.
Yeah, David Beckham.
I'm playing for LA Galaxy.
You're upset at David.
He's awake.
You bring up soccer.
David's going to say.
Hear me out.
You got a few different things here, okay, to build a championship team.
You got the owner, you got a GM, you got a coach, you got a superstar.
Which one are they missing?
None.
That's the whole point.
Who?
The Cowboys?
I keep thinking it's the coach.
The Cowboys?
I disagree.
You got.
Okay.
So, for example, if the Cowboys get Bill Belichick to go there, would things change?
No.
Well, Bill Belichick can turn a franchise around, but to your credit, to your anti-committee.
You said owner.
Okay, well, there you go.
But wait a minute.
But wait a minute.
So if Patrick Mahomes is traded for Prescott, are things going to change?
Dallas had the number one offense in the league and most turnovers in the league.
They were a good team this year, and they just shit the bit, per usual, right?
It's Jerry Jones.
You know what it is?
Maybe they just need to sage ATT Stadium.
Have they thought about saging the stadium?
They just got bad juju.
Who's the GM of the Cowboys?
Himself.
Exactly.
Himself.
I thought it was his son.
I thought Stephen Jones was.
It says owner and general manager of operations is his son.
He needs to step aside.
I agree.
Let's get some young juices in a way.
And he's going to get him going.
Bring the Jones Jones.
Also, the same.
Fauci needs to step aside.
Trump needs to step aside.
Biden should run again.
Let's get all these old-ass baby boomers out the door.
Have a great life.
We still love you.
Let's get some millennials and Gen X. Is that a campaign speech?
Because you're running 2023, 2024 vote for Adam.
Let's go, Adam, is what's going to happen.
By the way, this Thursday, this Thursday, this Thursday, Rashad Evans will be here on the podcast.
We're going to have a lot of different conversations about the UFC.
Cannot wait for that, folks.
Put it in your calendar.
Same time.
Thursday, Rashad Evans will be entering the vault.
Having said that, Seth, appreciate you for coming on.
