PBD Podcast | EP 115 | Special Guest: Jedediah Bila
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PBD Podcast Episode 115. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by former host of "The View" Jedediah Bila, and Adam Sosnick.
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Jedediah Louisa Bila is an American television host and author. She is known for her time as a co-host on the daytime talk show The View and an anchor on the weekend edition of the morning news and talk program Fox & Friends. Connect with Jedediah here: https://bit.ly/3Gje8xg You can also learn more about Jedediah here: https://bit.ly/3tmAsCD
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00:00 - Start
12:09 - What Hill Would Jedidiah Die On?
13:50 - Jedidiah Bila's Background
25:16 - Sarah Palin
29:48 - Jedidiah Bila On Her Time At The View
36:39 - Is Hillary Back?!
41:10 - Trump/Desantis 2024
48:12 - Spain & Europe Changing Definition of Covid
54:23 - What if Fauci was replaced?
1:00:32 - Why Bernie And AOC Are Necessary Today
1:19:05 - Why Spotify Is The Biggest Enemy To Silicon Valley
1:29:12 - The Power of Capitalism And Free Markets
From the beginning, today's guest is Jedediah Beela, former conservative co-host of The View, which is a tough place to be and to be conservative.
She's been all over Fox, author, new website coming up, bila.locals.com.
And she has a tendency of ruffling feathers.
She likes to push the envelope.
So tell us, is that genetics?
Is that you?
Have you always been this way?
Well, I'm Italian.
So, you know, that comes with the turf.
But, you know, I think pushing the envelope today means that you're just being honest with people.
So I don't, you know, I don't tell a line for politicians.
I don't tell a line for a political party.
I really tell you what I think.
I am a conservative, and I think I'm getting increasingly conservative as the days pass, to be perfectly honest.
Libertarian conservative.
I hate these labels.
It's like they don't mean anything.
I'd rather just tell you what I think.
But I'm not someone who's going to get 100% behind a politician and decide whoever this politician is, I'm going to support everything they say because I, you know, bow down to them.
And I don't play that game.
So I think what you get is honesty.
And that makes people mad sometimes.
And that's perfectly fine with me.
I'd rather give them the truth and have them be mad than lie to them and have them love me.
So yeah, what's crazy is that that's the ideal person to be on the view, right?
Somebody like you.
They like the other day I saw the article, the fact that they're having a hard time finding somebody to, you know, replace a conservative co-host.
But this person, the demos of this person has to be somebody that doesn't like Trump, believes January 6th was an insurrection.
They have to be pro-vax.
They have to be somebody, not pro-vax.
They have to be somebody that's vaccinated.
They have to be somebody that is supporting Bill Baxter.
It's like so many different things to say, this is what we're looking for.
Why don't you just go out there and say, you're looking for a fifth Democrat to be there, right?
Yeah.
Well, what they're actually looking for, in my opinion, is a conservative, and I have my little quotation marks, that fits a liberal's definition of what an acceptable conservative is.
So they want to be able to say, well, we want someone who is going to go out there and we can say we have a conservative on the panel.
We can use that word, but they're going to agree with us most of the time.
And when they disagree, they're going to do it quietly.
They're not going to ruffle feathers and we're still going to get to be right.
I believe that's called a unicorn.
I don't know if those people even exist.
Yeah.
And, you know, I was talking to them again.
I, you know, I had worked there for about a year and a half, a full year of contract and about a half a year of testing before that.
And I was supposed to go on this year to co-host again.
As you know, Megan left the show.
I was supposed to go in October.
And then I was all set to go.
They came to my house.
They accepted my medical exemption for the vaccine.
They had someone come to my house.
They COVID tested me.
I tested negative.
I got a call the next day.
Oh, the policy has changed.
You have to be vaccinated.
I said, well, I can't do it.
I'm sorry.
Like, I'm not going to do it.
I had COVID already.
I have documented immunity going on 20, you know, 19 months at the time.
Now it's more than that.
And I have an exemption from my doctor who's saying this is not right for me.
So they said, you know what?
Let's see what happens in November.
I was supposed to go back and do the book.
And November rolled around and they said, we're sorry.
We can't have you.
So the executive producer over there, who's very nice, who I like, Brian, he's a generally good guy, as far as I know.
He's been nice to me, said we're going to take it remote.
So I did a full pre-interview with them, full pre-interview where I talked about the mandates.
I talked about how I felt about it.
They wanted me to have that conversation.
They grilled me.
Did they prep you?
Did they say we're going to ask you?
Yes, 100%.
100%.
She said, let's get the elephant out of it.
Yes, they said, no.
They said, where do you stand?
They knew where I stood because I had been very vocal about not only the fact that I wasn't vaxed, all over Twitter was me saying these mandates are not scientific.
You cannot justify them.
Here's why.
So they knew where I stood.
We did a full pre-interview.
I get on the show.
I opened my mouth for two seconds and they say, oh, that's misinformation, which it wasn't.
What I actually said on air was actually fact, which we now know because we're seeing it unfold in the country exactly what I said, which was, and frankly, to cite the CDC.
We can get into what I said.
But I think my point is, you know, they want, and this happens all the time in liberal media.
They hire a conservative, supposed conservative, and then you listen and you're like, that's not a conservative.
That's a liberal.
Or that's someone who's just going to be what you want them to be.
That's not me, in case you haven't noticed in the brief amount of time I'm here.
I'm not malleable like that.
But I don't think that's good TV, though.
I don't think it's good TV to not be you or to not be Megan.
Like I thought both of you were a good fit.
I thought it was, you know, that, you know, going back and forth is what makes good TV.
And that's what makes the audience to sit there and say, I agree with her.
I don't agree with her.
I agree with what she has to say.
She's wrong.
So I don't know if it's good TV.
I'm trying to see what the strategy really is.
And I wonder if it helps with viewership long term.
Because if it does, then you got to do what the viewership's working.
And are there only five women on the show?
Is that the number?
Yes.
And why wouldn't they, you know, because it's four liberals, one, why wouldn't it be three and two?
You ever thought about that?
Like, why wouldn't it be you and I?
I just thought about it.
I thought it was about the Supreme Court.
They won the job.
Yeah, what's the story with the people?
But what it should really be is five women who see things differently as much as possible.
So you could have a moderate Republican on there.
You could then have a real conservative.
I'm a random conservative.
Have a Trump supporter on.
Have a rhino.
So that, you know, people who have different ways of life, you know, have someone on there who has a bunch of kids, someone on there who's single and doesn't want to get married.
You know, I think if it's about the view, you know, it's called the view.
Maybe it is the view, as in one, you know, but if you're really looking to get perspectives out there of different people around the country, then that's not what's happening, you know?
And it is, listen, I don't know.
I don't know if some of it has to do with pleasing advertisers.
I had many conversations throughout this past year because I wasn't going to get the vaccine.
I heard from a lot of liberals in production that were saying, you know, you could make the argument about the mandate, but if you were vaccinated, it would be easier because then you're like in the club.
And I said, well, what club is it exactly?
I mean, like, why?
And honestly, there's a bunch of people around the country who opted not to get it for medical reasons, for other reasons.
So why is that viewpoint not valid to have that person represented?
Especially because we know the vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting or spreading the disease.
So it's completely absurd that you're going to be able to get.
By the way, what you're saying is a view.
That's what CDC is saying.
That's not what you're saying.
The CDC even came out and said even the vaccine, even if you have it.
So it's not like your opinion or something.
Well, that's what was labeled misinformation, though.
I mean, I was shut down on national television for just simply saying the CDC has said that if you're vaccinated, you can also get and spread COVID.
I mean, you don't have to be paying attention to the CDC to know that.
Just look around.
Everyone I know right now who has COVID is vaxxed.
That's not to say that unvaccinated people didn't get COVID all through last year.
Of course they did.
But that shouldn't be, you know, it's active discrimination against people, you know, and why are you not honoring medical exemptions?
And why are you not accepting the reality that everyone has an individual medical history with a past with certain reactions they've had to X, Y, and Z?
So, you know, these are political talking points that are being But the argument to that, to your point, is that if you are vaxxed and you do get COVID, which I agree with you, you were down in Miami.
But the argument to that would be if you are vaxed, it'll be less severe.
It'll keep you out of the hospital.
It'll keep the hospital from going over capacity.
What are your thoughts on that?
So that doesn't justify a mandate, though, because if you're going to do that, talk to me about obesity.
Talk to me about smokers.
Talk to me about people who drink too much.
Talk to me about people who don't exercise.
There are a whole bunch of lifestyle reasons that cause people to go into the hospital and burden the hospital system.
I'm, you know, I'm a healthy person.
I exercise a lot.
I'm very careful about what I eat.
I had COVID.
I was okay.
I haven't gotten it again.
I've been exposed.
Nothing has happened.
I'm not a threat.
Like to assume that I am an immediate threat is absurd.
And I think if you're going to justify, if you're going to utilize, you know, say, well, we need to justify this mandate based on transmission, you lose.
If you're going to say we need to justify this mandate based on what's happening in hospitals, well, then you have a whole host of other issues that you better be looking at as well, because then your whole population essentially in this country is going to be affected in some way because I'm going to get to say, really, well, I don't tax the hospital system, but somebody who's obese taxes the hospital system more.
So what are you doing about them?
Where does it end?
And I think those stats on hospitalization and death, I think also, listen, yes, there are some stats that show that that is absolutely true.
You have some stats coming out of other places like the UK that show things a little bit differently in some studies.
I think there are people that have benefited from the vaccine.
I think there are people that got the vaccine and maybe they didn't get COVID or they got a milder case of COVID, but they got other stuff.
I know a lot of people who have had, some in my family, some my friends who have had horrible side effects of this vaccine.
Horrible, truly.
Everything from myocarditis to blood clots.
This is just a reality.
This is a reality.
It's a drug.
Any drug has a list of side effects that are potential.
Any drug.
By the way, again, YouTube, if you're listening, Fauci has said that himself.
In an interview, Fauci said, anytime we introduce a new vaccine, they come with side effects and we make it better as we test it.
So this is not a claim.
This is what Fauci has said.
Antibiotics too.
I mean, this is not new.
This is not new.
Antibiotics.
You can go, I can go to the drugstore and take a SudaFed and get deathly ill from it.
Pseudo-Fed?
Yes.
I mean, I've taken, listen, my mom and I, it was interesting.
We both had a sinus infection a few years ago.
I remember we both took the same medication.
I got horribly sick.
I was hallucinating.
She was fine.
So you're not in the same body as someone else.
So all I'm saying is, which should not be controversial to anyone, make your own decision.
Talk to your doctor, talk to your family, talk to yourself, make your own decision.
If that's controversial in the United States in 2022, I don't know what to say.
I think what Adam's curious is the Sudafed that you were hallucinating.
He wants to have some of that.
I'd like to have the Pseudo-Fed that you're having.
You stopped.
He stopped.
You were like, wait, hold on a second.
Because I actually made a note.
When I used to pseudo-Fed.
The joke of SudaFed is I used to do stand-up comedy.
My dad thought SudaFed was like a wonder drug.
Oh, you broke your arm.
Take some PseudoFed.
Not a big deal.
Like, headache, take some PseudoFed.
Oh, you got AIDS, Pseudo-Fed.
So not that I made.
But my question to you, sorry, is, is this your new fight?
Meaning, before COVID, you didn't talk about vaccines.
I doubt that this was something that was on your radar or was it?
But is this your line in the sand?
Like, this is what I stand for now.
Yeah, I mean, I think my fight has always been freedom.
You know, I came into this business battling the GOP establishment, really.
I was battling Republicans.
My issue was debt.
My issue was like, why don't they care about the debt?
Specifically Republicans or just politicians?
Well, I was mad because Republicans claim to care about fiscal conservatives.
Right.
A lot of Republicans were claiming to care about those things and weren't doing anything about it.
And I saw the rise of the Tea Party movement and I know they've been vilified, but I went to a lot of those rallies and a lot of it consisted of regular people who were tired of all of this nonsense.
So I think, you know, freedom has always been an issue that I hill that I'm willing to die in.
I have never seen anything like this unfold in the United States of America.
I saw what happened.
I mean, I come from New York City.
You can't go into a restaurant without showing a vax card.
This is the United States.
So I have a two-year-old and I look at him and I'm like, you're not doing this to my kid.
Like, I will get out of here.
I will take my money.
Not that it's a lot, but I will take my money.
I will take what I do for a living.
I will get out of here and let these cities that are doing this to people, let them sink.
Let them figure out that you can't act this way.
So this is my hill to die on, not because it's, you know, I'm not someone who's like, I'm an anti-vaxxer.
You know, that's not my position.
My position is, how are we now in a place in this country where someone can't make that decision for themselves?
And these pharmaceutical companies that have liability protection, why can't you ask about that?
Why can't you ask questions and just say, hey, why is that the case?
Or what are the side effects?
Or, gee, you know, my risk assessment for me is not the same as the risk assessment for a 90-year-old with four comorbidities.
These are not questions.
These are questions you're getting censored for.
Okay, we're not.
They are.
Let me ask you background.
So before Fox and View, what were you doing?
I was teaching.
Really?
I was a teacher.
I taught Spanish actually in schools for six or seven years.
It's hard to remember exactly, but in New York City, in Staten Island, and in Manhattan.
I was an academic dean, high school dean, and interestingly, went through six flu seasons and never a mask was mentioned, even though the flu was more dangerous to kids than COVID, but that's a side note.
But yeah, you know, I taught in these schools.
So when we talk about like woke curriculums and all of that, oh yeah, that's real.
That's happening.
Who were you in high school?
If we were in high school together, 10th grade, who's Jedediah?
A nerd.
Got like 4.0 GPA valedictorian type of deal.
I was the valedictorian of my college.
Were you reading?
Yeah, yeah.
I went to Wagner College on Staten Island.
I got 4.0.
I just worked.
I was a bookworm.
So I read a lot.
I was social too.
I had a lot of friends.
I don't know if the definition of a nerd, like what you're thinking of.
I wasn't, you know, Ronald Miller in Camp Him.
Love.
Do you guys know that movie?
It's amazing, by the way.
I had a crush on him for the longest time.
I love it.
You're dating yourself here.
I love nerds, though, like actual nerds.
When did you break out of your show?
Because clearly you're not a nerd.
Clearly, you're vocal.
Clearly, you got a lot going on.
So college, I kind of discovered, you know, that I had a little bit more of a voice.
I, you know, started dating.
I started living.
Still was very academic, though.
At the time, I thought I was going to get a PhD in Spanish literature.
I was like, I want to be a professor.
I love college campuses.
This is where I'm going to go.
Went to Columbia, got my master's, and was like, oh, I was wrong.
Columbia.
So at that time, were you a liberal?
What were your political?
I was a conservative.
So your parents, are they conservatives?
So yes, my dad is very conservative.
He's like a Ted Cruz kind of guy.
My mom is a little bit more of a mixed bag.
I think you'd, you know, I think she's more of like a Marco Rubio voter if I had to peg her as one.
But yeah, my family was very eclectic, though.
My grandparents were Democrats.
A lot of family friends that we had in our house, you know, as family, you know, aunts that weren't really aunts, but were close friends of my mom and whatnot.
Most of them were liberal.
And I grew up in New York City.
So I was surrounded by liberalism.
It just didn't make sense to me.
So yeah, I went to Columbia for a master's in Spanish literature and decided it wasn't for me that I loved literature, but I went and worked for an insurance company for a while.
Insurance company?
I do nothing about insurance.
I'm a terrible, I mean, really.
Who were you with?
How did you get it?
Oh, my Zurich.
Zurich, Zurich.
I was with Zurich, but I did marketing for them.
I got you.
But I mean, I used to sell Zurich, so I remember Zurich.
Yeah, I'm not good at that stuff.
Like, if you're going to ask me about inflation, have another guest on.
You're not good.
I feel like you could be good at anything you do.
So what weren't you good at?
I'm not.
I just don't have that kind of head.
I'm more of a creative, you know, I'm a creative type.
You know, I want to sit and write short stories all day long.
And essentially what happened was I worked in, I waited tables, I, you know, which was one of the most fun jobs I ever had in my life.
And I made a lot of cash.
So, you know, but tough on your feet, tough on, I grew some good guns, though, that I've kept from the, you know, obvious.
You can't really see them in here.
You can see it through the, yeah, yeah, there it is.
I mean, I'm just, you know, take my roof.
But floated around for a little while, went to LA, thought I might want to do some acting, chickened out, was a big chicken about that.
Shouldn't have been.
Wish I had stayed.
Came back.
Wish you would have stayed.
Wish I would have stayed.
Because it's typically the other way around.
Wish you would have stayed.
No, you know, acting was something I loved.
I grew up in a house where my mom taught acting classes to kids and out of my living room when I was really little.
She taught improvisation and I loved it.
I genuinely loved it.
I write about this in my book, Dear Hartley, a little bit, trying to encourage my kid to like, if you love something, go for it.
Don't be a coward like me.
But it was hard.
And I was in LA, I was with a friend, and I just didn't have the right head.
And I didn't give it my best shot.
And I think if I would have stayed, I would have had at least a chance.
Either I would have had a chance at success or I would have been able to say I gave it my all, which is always what you want out of life.
And you want your kids to know that too.
So Pat asked you who you were in high school, 10th grade.
Yeah.
So, you know, you kind of brought up the can, like, so were you a Melrose Place girl, 90210?
90210.
Okay, yeah.
I saw something like with Luke Perry rolled up on you.
Rest in peace.
I loved him so much.
Yes, 90210, 100% all the way.
I was a Brent to Dylan fan.
Loved him.
Got to meet him at the View years later.
Oh my gosh.
He was like.
Your husband was in the crowd.
He was looking a little bit.
My husband was a little jealous.
So I wasn't married at the time.
Yeah, and you were having second thoughts.
And my mom said to me that my now husband looked at her and said, Should I go up there?
And she was like, Jeremy, it's live television.
Like, what are you going to do up there?
Was he going to knock out Dylan McKay?
Because I was like, I was very back in high school.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's obvious.
But yeah, I was 10th grade.
I was also ran track.
I was, you know, I was social, but I'm not social now.
This is the most social I get.
What's happening right now?
Jed and I, were you feisty?
Like, were you like, were you part of the bait team?
Were you part of like all of that or not really?
I was quite, when I was really small, I never spoke.
In fact, my first grade teacher called my mom and was like, is she okay?
And she's really smart, but she doesn't speak.
I was very shy and very afraid of all of that.
By the time I got to high school, I had a teacher, a politics teacher, who I later found out was like a super liberal, but really encouraged us to speak out.
And I kind of got my voice in that class.
And in college, kind of shifted away, did more of a literary journey.
But I think that was where I kind of got my fire.
And, you know, years later, after I did the acting, came back to New York, taught for a little while.
The whole political career started because I was writing on a blog that had like five viewers.
I'm not kidding.
At one point, it was like five people had seen my article, and one of the articles was reviewing Mark Levin's book.
And my friend sent it to him and he read it on air.
And a couple of months later, like Sean Hannity's people called me and were like, Does she want to come on the panel?
And my mom fainted because my mom loves him to this day.
Hannity.
Hannity.
And there I was, this school teacher who didn't have a journalism degree, who was a regular girl, just speaking my mind, sitting on a panel, and two weeks later filling in for Dana Perino in a segment with Stuart Varney.
And I was like, I'm not really sure how I think there was just a hunger for a regular voice at that time.
Well, Ron Paul said the best thing.
Ron Paul said when he was doing what he was doing full time as a doctor, he started going and hearing an economist speak.
He says, when I left, every time he recommended a book, I'd go back and read the book.
I'd go back and read it.
And I got obsessed.
He says, I kept going back every time he was given a speech.
He said, eventually I went up to the guy.
I said, listen, I can't help myself.
I'm addicted to this content.
This just makes a lot of sense.
Liberty, freedom, all this stuff.
He said, this was never things I thought about.
He says, what do I do with this passion?
He says, don't worry about it.
He says, keep talking about it.
Keep writing about it.
The right people will find you.
People found you.
So was Fox found you first because the mark living and then the view came in?
How did View approach you?
So Fox found me first, and I wound up doing a lot of free television, which is what happens in TV.
Everyone sees that you're on TV and they're like, oh, you're a celebrity.
You're broke.
I was broke.
I had been on a teacher's salary before that.
I don't come from money.
I grew up in a very middle-class family.
My parents struggled to pay the mortgage.
You know, I didn't have that.
I didn't have any connections to the political world.
Like, my parents weren't in politics.
So I did a lot of free TV and then I got my first contributor deal over at Fox after maybe a couple of years of doing free television.
I did not only free TV at Fox.
I was doing CNBC.
I was doing with Larry Kudlow at the time.
I was doing MSNBC hits.
Kudlow.
I mean, that's serious financial conversations right there.
I mean, yes, but not mine.
Mine were more like culture.
We'd do a panel or, but I would find myself in these places and be like, wow, I'm building a career, but broke.
Nobody knows this.
Maybe I should have told everyone, hey, make a donation.
Until you make it, girl.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And I got my first contributor deal.
First contributor, it was small.
I mean, it's not money that you're making.
But, you know, from there, I was due.
I signed two deals with Fox that were for a contributor.
And then the View came.
And it's funny.
I went to Roger Ells at the time and I said, you know, The View wants me to come on and guest host.
And he typically, Fox doesn't let you do any of that stuff.
But he was like, well, I think it'll be really good for the network, you know, extra exposure.
And you're not going to get the job.
No way.
Yeah.
Because I was so new.
I was so green.
And I was like, okay.
You know, I knew I had a shot.
But did you take that as a challenge?
Or was it just kind of like, are you like, I'm going to crush this one show when I get on?
They're going to know I belong here.
Well, once he gave me in writing the approval, I was like, wait till he sees what I feel like.
Did he become your, Pat talks about find your enemy to get motivated, right?
Did that become your enemy, proving Roger Ails, the legendary, great, you know, controversial?
Well, I think it was he had launched this huge television network.
And, you know, for a while, I had been, I had been a contributor, but I wanted to fill in on shows.
Like I wanted to host.
And he was always like, you know, you have to earn your place to do that.
And then here comes this network TV show that's like, we'll give her a chance.
And he was like, oh, you don't, you know, almost like, she's too green.
And I went, I got the job.
So I love it.
I love where people are underestimated.
So when you go, at what point did they just tell you right there, listen, we want to talk now.
I had to test there too, which I was fine to do because I was employed.
I had my Fox contract and I would show up the view.
I did a few months of testing with a bunch of people that were testing.
I remember like Melissa Joan Hart was testing.
It was like a lot of celebrity at the time.
What am I asking you?
I'm curious, like when they're sitting there interviewing you, do they ask you like, so what do you think about this?
What do you think is that kind of a conversation?
So I did an interview first with Candy Carter, who I really like.
She's still at ABC.
She's a nice, she's really nice, fun.
And she asked me a zillion questions, like, how do you feel about this?
And how do you feel about that?
And they wanted, you know, the claim was that they wanted diversity of thought on the panel and they wanted someone who was going to be tough to stand up to the other opinions.
So it was a very long interview and I left and I was like, I don't know what happened.
Like, I don't know.
And then she was like, all right, we're going to put you on.
So they put me on.
Oh, it was long.
It was like, I feel like I was in it for like a couple of hours, honestly.
It was long.
And you said it's a panel or it's just Candy?
Well, it was just me and Candy for the interview.
Got it.
And then I think I met with Candy.
I think I met with Brian.
I met with a few people and they were like, okay, green light her.
Let's put her on and see what she does.
So I was this girl who had just a couple of years before that been writing for a blog with like five.
What was the timeline?
But by the time Levin brought you on, you're on Hannity.
Couple of years.
Okay, so you'd put in some work.
But you got to know, but you got to realize, a couple years is not a long time.
People have to, this is very important for people that are listening to this.
Look, you know, whatever situation you're in with your life, like sometimes people like the part she talked about, she did so much free TV.
You know, that's the part a lot of people don't want to do.
You're going to have to work and get underpaid for a long time until you get your break.
And she got a break.
It's a beautiful story.
That's exactly how capitalism works.
That's exactly how your world works.
That's how business works.
You know, you pay the price and then they find you.
And it goes back to Ron Paul's story.
If you keep talking about what you believe in, they're eventually going to find you.
You said Tea Party earlier.
Was it like the whole Michelle Bachman era?
Yeah.
That era.
Wasn't a huge Bachman fan.
I came in, you'll hate this probably.
I could just tell.
I just can read people because I know I guarantee it.
But I came in being like a Sarah Palin fan.
And the reason I was a Sarah fan, now I know Sarah, so I know a little bit more about her.
No, I just see, I see you as someone who probably, I don't think she'd be your first choice.
Let's just say that.
And you know what?
Not only me, 99% of America as well.
But you know, there's a reason for that because you've been told what you've been told about Sarah Palin and most of it's not true.
But regardless, I got interested in Sarah Palin.
I'll tell you why, because first of all, she just kind of showed up out of nowhere.
But I saw that.
McCain plucked her out of nowhere because she rushed from her house.
She never said that.
I wasn't a McCain fan.
Look at us having the view.
She never said that.
Not that way anyway.
But yeah, I wasn't a McCain fan, but I was like, who's this woman?
And the only reason she was interesting to me was because media couldn't stand her from second one.
And I saw the takedown and I said, okay, let me figure out.
Maybe she's terrible.
So I did a bunch of research on her work in Alaska as mayor and as governor.
And I was like, okay, she's actually quite legit and this is why they hate her.
And she's also very personable.
And so I became kind of interested in what she brought to the table.
And she also was a soccer mom.
She felt like a regular person to me, which I really liked because I was a regular person in a business where everyone felt like you needed some degree.
I don't have a journalism degree.
Thankfully, I didn't waste my time doing that.
So Columbia wasn't journalism.
Columbia was Spanish literature.
That's why you taught that for many years.
Yeah, I was.
So after you met, you know how sometimes you're like, oh my gosh, she's so amazing.
And then after you meet Sarah, was what you read and what you saw the same as the time you spent with Sarah?
Sarah's just a regular person.
She's just a mom.
She is a well-intentioned political figure.
She makes mistakes.
She's not always the most articulate in expressing her ideas all the time.
Neither am I. Neither is anyone else.
It's hard to be in the spotlight sometimes.
She has a great record in Alaska.
I know they destroyed her once she went back.
A lot of Appo research.
I mean, the media landed in Alaska.
They were like, we're going to land there.
We're going to figure out what's wrong with her.
They were reading her emails line by line by line, which is interesting.
They had no interest in Hillary Clinton's emails, where she lied repeatedly.
Can you imagine like you're being told you're going to be working out of Alaska?
Here's where you're going.
That's your job.
Wasilla, Alaska.
My question to you on Palin is: I actually completely understand why.
Regular girl, soccer mom, totally get that.
As far as vice president of the United States, do you think she was a little over her head?
No, I think she had a really horrible team around her that didn't really support her.
And I don't think she really understood.
I think she understood establishment politics in Alaska.
Governor of Alaska.
Yeah, and she just wasn't.
She wasn't like a little small city mayor, Pete Buttigieg, you know, South Bend, Indiana.
That's true.
And Pete Buttigieg has been glorified for that limited record that he has.
She just takes a lot of potholes.
So let's have a little respect.
There you go.
Took two months off.
Pat was coming to the bottom.
That's interesting, though, because think about the way those two people were viewed.
One was glorified and covers of magazines, and one was like, oh, she's not up to the job.
She knew a lot about the establishment in Alaska because she was dealing with the Murkowskis and all that.
But I don't know that she was prepared for the national stage and what that was going to look like.
You think that was her team or the McCain team?
I think it was McCain team.
No, I knew her team, Mex Stapleton and all them, but no, she, yeah.
But regardless, whether you love her or hate her, I mean, she was demonized from day.
The woman didn't have a chance.
But just think about anybody that's announced as a VP.
Go any, go and go think about what VP people were like, oh my gosh, this is fantastic.
Even Pence, when they said Pence, did you know Pence?
No.
Did you know who Pence? Governor was?
Did you sit there and say, that's the right selection?
Nobody's first pick was Pence.
Nobody's second pick was Pence.
So McCain, you know, like the whole conversation with Giuliani, what Giuliani ran on in the first time he ran for president.
If he would have ran on that, and that was today, Giuliani's a president.
If Mayor Giuliani ran.
Sometimes it's also timing.
When you're the first person that's going to come out as you're the VP, you're a woman, you're going out there.
Chances are you're probably set into tone for the next person that's going to go out there and win.
It's not you.
Like, you know how you think about Friendster, Facebook.
Before Facebook was what?
MySpace.
Before MySpace was Friendster.
What happened to Friendster?
Are you still on Friendster?
Yeah.
I send you Friends.
I haven't gotten it yet.
What do you mean?
I'm messing you all day.
Oh, that might be a different password.
That's a different thing.
That's David Fitzpatrick.
Yeah, by the way, you know, so when you did get hired with The View, is it a contract of it?
Do they pay in the format of one episode?
Is it a six-month contract?
Is it a three-month contract?
What's the con agreement?
So I'm trying to remember my contract.
I basically had a three-year contract, but at the end of each year, they had the opportunity.
They had to renew me.
Got it.
So, and you had a guarantee of a certain number of appearances.
I wasn't employed at ABC at large.
I was employed by The View.
Me personally.
Megan may have had a different deal.
How different is that?
Is that separate?
Yeah, because if you're employed, it's actually much safer to be employed by ABC at large because then if something goes wrong with The View, you can be utilized.
That makes sense.
That's a large sense.
I didn't fight for that because at the time, frankly, I don't think I had the credentials to fight for that.
And secondly, I wasn't sure how it was going to go and I wasn't sure what was going to happen.
So I was comfortable with the contract they gave me and rolling in.
Was it decent pay?
Was it okay?
So pay attention.
It was a raise, which was great.
I was like, it was.
Are you still in touch with any of the ladies on the view?
Whether it's the conservatives, the Abby Huntsman's, the McCain's, the Joy Behars, the Whoopee's.
I was until this appearance that just happened.
I mean, I actually maintained a pretty decent friendship with Sonny, with Sarah.
Occasionally would exchange with Whoopi and Joy.
My time on the show was actually okay because even though we duked it out sometimes on air, we actually really got along behind the scenes as a group.
It was a cast that really liked each other.
So I left, and even though I was fired inexplicably overnight, I didn't hold that against the cast.
And there were people that worked there at the time that aren't there anymore that were responsible for that.
But I left kind of feeling like these were still my friends and my family.
And I was sad.
So I didn't trash them in media.
I didn't do any of that.
And it wasn't really until this last appearance that I just felt like, wow, that was pretty horrible.
What happened on air?
Because you guys knew what I was going to say.
And I really thought I was there to have a conversation because I know them.
You know, Sonny was at my wedding.
You know, I know these people.
And I said, if you're going to invite me and you know what I'm going to say, either say, forget it, you're not coming on, or let me talk.
Let's have the conversation.
Who's the biggest advertiser for The View?
Do you know?
I don't know, but I know.
You know, big pharmas and all these places.
Can you Google and see who's the biggest advertiser on The View?
I looked it up in 2015.
A bunch of advertisers dropped, but that's not the article I'm looking for.
I want as recent as possible.
Let me go back to it.
From the day you got fired, how many days prior to that was when you questioned Hillary Clinton?
Oh, I think it was four.
I think I questioned her on a Thursday and lost my job on a Sunday.
Oh, I didn't know that.
So four days after you questioned Hillary Clinton.
So what happened there was, and I've spoken about this with Sonny recently, that we were like, no one really understood what happened there.
And I don't know if it's attributed to the Hillary Clinton interview.
I really don't.
I have no idea.
What year was that?
20, was it 16, 17?
It's right around there.
She was still writing.
No, no, she was, it was after she lost.
After she lost, she wrote a book called What Happened.
It was the first live appearance she did on The View.
And she asked the question.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
I saw this.
Yeah, I asked the question.
I had just re-upped like that summer.
You know, you had to, like I said, they had to renew you.
Even though you had a three-year contract, they had to renew you.
So I signed the paperwork.
I was like, okay, I guess I'm in for another year.
And that's the way I view this business.
You never know.
You could be out tomorrow, you know?
So I was like, okay, in for another year.
I asked what I thought was a pretty benign question.
I asked her, I said, listen, you know, you're acting like you're surprised that Trump won, but it sounds a little tone deaf to me because I was talking to people around the country who were disgusted with a lot of what was going on.
Like, looking back, do you see that maybe these people voted because they didn't like what was happening in the prior administration?
I thought that was a pretty fair question.
Her face said otherwise.
I didn't even get to ask about her emails, which was really what I was.
There was a little bit of panic at the show that day because I was like, well, can we show here that she signed a piece of paper that said she knows what these classifications mean?
And she's denied that she knew them, but her signature.
And they were like, I wouldn't do that.
I wouldn't do that.
There was a little bit of worry that it was going to be combative.
But don't they like that?
Is that like the whole point of the view?
They want to see that.
No, I think the perception is that.
But actually, I think there's a lot of protection that goes on on shows like that for political figures, for point of views.
So I didn't get to that, but I asked the tone-deaf question.
And then four days later, I actually got a call from someone who worked in media.
I think it was Oliver Darcy, actually, if I'm not mistaken, who wrote me, who called me and was like, there's a rumor that like Megan McCain's taking your job.
And I was like, oh, well, that can't be.
I just reached.
I was like, what?
And I wrote my producer and he was like, oh, we'll get on it.
PR.
I don't even think the EP of the show knew.
No one knew.
The EP of the show.
So this came from the high school.
This came from super horror.
This is not EP.
No.
And my EPs like Candy and Brian were like, really quite nice to me and were like, listen, I don't know.
And I believed them.
And I still believe them because I really do.
So I don't know what happened.
I don't know if it's related to that.
I don't know if that was the icing on the cake.
I don't know if there were talks going on and then suddenly someone decided, oh, great.
And also that interview didn't help.
I don't really know.
It's just the timing seems so odd.
So when did you, when did you sign the next year?
What was in the summer?
Summer.
How many like weeks or months before the Hillary Clinton?
It was in August.
I don't remember.
It was several weeks before that.
Oh, so this is fresh.
So you sign.
It's not like it's six months.
No, no, several weeks.
It was several weeks.
Got it.
So they had already committed to having you on for another year.
So it wasn't like behind closed doors that were talking to Megan.
Oh, listen, maybe.
For all I know, I mean, there are people that have since been fired from there that were doing pretty horrible things that's come out in the news, who I think probably were being underhanded about it in many ways.
I don't know.
I don't know what conversations were and weren't going on.
I just, it kind of changed my perception of media because I always felt like a contract was a contract.
And all of a sudden, I realized, which was helpful for the future, like, okay, you're here today.
You could be gone tomorrow.
So just keep that in mind.
Some people would say, just be happy you're sitting here because maybe you pissed off the wrong person, you know, because there's certain people in politics you don't piss off because they have a reputation, you know.
That's right.
And that reputation is a multi-dimensional type of a reputation.
If you know what I'm talking about, you push everyone off, so I'm in bad shape.
Maybe I'll come work here, you know?
But we would love to get a contract in here.
Hey, Tyler, do me favorable, pull up the article on yesterday, New York Post, Hillary Clinton, Democrats are preparing her to run.
I don't know if you saw that article.
Did you see that?
Yeah, I'm curious to know.
Pull it up.
Let's read it.
And did you see this or no, Adam?
I have not.
Adam, okay, go.
There you go.
Press Control Plus to make it a little bigger.
Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump 2024.
Yep, life has become a horror movie.
Great title.
All right.
So we are officially a horror movie where the monsters never dies, the virus never ends.
And the next election sees Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump.
Yes, the two most polarized in presidential nominees of the modern time refuse to go away.
Clinton and Trump are more likely than they realize.
Namely, they each live in a reality of their own making.
Trump continues to insist that 2020 election was stolen.
Hillary said she won in 2016.
What I was doing was working, she told New York Magazine 2017 of Bernie Sanders.
Donald Trump said, I beat both of them.
Back then, I called Hillary Norma Desmond of American politics, ever ready for her close-up while knuckling her grip on a scene that long ago rejected her as she refused to rule out 2020.
Party leaders were vocal about moving on.
Joe Biden, I never thought she was a great candidate.
Chuck Schumer, when you lose to someone who has 40% popularity, you don't blame other things.
You blame yourself.
Wow.
So this is pretty interesting.
Do you think this is a real story?
Or do you think this is just kind of like New York Post wanted to write a story so people will talk about, but she's not going to be running?
You know, I wouldn't put it past her.
She's so tone deaf that it wouldn't surprise me.
Not only would it not surprise me if she ran again, but it wouldn't surprise me if she ran again and did the exact same stuff she did, you know, multiple other times, skipped states, just was totally, you know, not paying attention to the actual issues that people care about.
That would be a great movie.
The problem is like we're in pretty distressed times right now.
Like, I mean, look, the person I think should run for Republican.
I want to see Ron DeSantis up there.
I really do.
I think he's done an amazing job, and I think he takes no garbage and he holds media accountable, but he also like knows when to get out of his own way.
The problem with Trump, and you know, I took plenty of heat for criticizing Trump, and it wasn't policy that I was criticizing a lot.
Chris Wallace, you made a comment about how he was complaining about Chris Wallace.
I was tired of all of it.
I was just, he couldn't get out of his own way oftentimes.
You called him a third grader.
Yeah, because, you know, the name calling and all of that stuff, it was just, you know, it's funny sometimes and, you know, it revs up the base.
And if you're going to a rally, it can be like, oh, ha ha, Trump made a joke.
But, you know, the bottom line was if he would have just stepped back and let his record speak for itself and just know when to just pivot away.
It's not about you.
It's not about a petty battle on Twitter.
That kind of drove me nuts after a while.
So my issue wasn't with policy on him.
It was with character and just like, come on, man, just step away and let these successes be successes.
So DeSantis, you know, I like governors in these positions because they've actually run something.
And I really like him.
I've seen many interviews where he's just like, that's not what's happening.
You know, these are the facts.
This is what we're doing in Florida.
This is the model for a free nation and a free society.
So that's who I'm a fan of.
And listen, I always welcome a Hillary Clinton run.
It's a guaranteed disaster.
No chance she runs.
Guaranteed.
Biden is a disaster.
You're saying no chance she runs?
Wait, wait, did you just say no chance she runs?
As tone deaf as she is, really, to remix it and running back.
You think the Democratic Party wants her back?
No.
You think there's fervor for her?
Oh, they got it.
Joe Biden is I don't even think I don't even think that clearly the Democrats need to figure out who's in their stable.
Clearly, we talked about Michelle Obama potentially being a candidate.
I've never thought that she was going to run ever.
Now I'm like, well, you know, if there's ever a time in Trump, I think she runs, she could win.
I don't think, again, same thing.
I don't think she wants to give up that life.
Would you vote for Trump in 2024?
Against who?
Against Biden?
Yeah.
Or anyone.
Anyone, anyone, whoever the Democrats throw up there.
I will never, I will never vote for a big government Democrat ever.
I will never vote for big government.
So my problem with Trump, you know, I have to listen to what Trump says.
We already know what he's going to say.
Yeah, and now he's on the vaccines, odd comments and this, that, and the other thing.
What I will say is today, and I can't tell you what I'm going to do next round.
I know I often do a lot of write-ins because I'm like, oh, these people all are just terrible.
But I can't tell you what I'm going to do today because I don't know in that situation.
But my guy is DeSantis.
Okay.
That's why I would.
Because again, his wife has health issues that he's dealing with right now and he's attending to right now.
If Trump runs, the one thing I think it'd be very uncomfortable to see is a stage with Trump and DeSantis together because I don't think that's going to be a good scene.
No.
If those two aren't the same stage.
It'll be good for DeSantis.
Yeah, I think it'd be great for TV.
No, it'll be great for DeSantis because DeSantis is basically going to tout policy better than Trump.
He has a very strong record, and he also isn't going to stoop to that nonsense.
So he's going to look like the adult in the room, is the honest truth.
I've been very vocal that someone like me who's somewhere in the middle, a lot of people on this thing don't go, I'm a socialist, communist.
I'm just not a Trumper guy.
I would 100% vote for DeSantis.
And I would also 100% not vote for a Trump.
You understand what I'm saying right there?
Like, DeSantis, got you.
Young, vibrant, policy smart.
Florida, what's up?
Let's do it.
Trump, really?
we're going to run back that horror movie from 2016.
So that's something that's...
So let me ask you a question.
Here's a question for you.
Trump Hillary, what are you doing?
Again?
Yeah, if it's Trump Hillary, what are you doing?
I would vote for Hillary.
Yeah, you would.
Seriously.
I would.
So I can absolutely tell you I would not.
Trump, listen, if you take Trump Hillary Speaker.
I think Hillary actually has good policies.
I think she's tone deaf and not exactly going to circle the wagons of the Midwest.
Go ahead.
You want to play this game?
No, no, I'm just saying, can we get a Hillary shirt for him?
Can you actually make a Trillium for this?
I'm with her.
Yeah, let's get a shirt for him.
Let's go.
Make a note.
Make a note next time.
Trump Hillary for me, like I'm voting for Trump.
He's not my ideal.
I think he made a lot of mistakes.
I held him accountable for those mistakes on live TV many times.
He's not my guy.
I'm not like MAGA to the, you know, I don't do that with any politician, but I. Except for Rand Paul.
No, I'm also not wearing a Rand Paul hat here today.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's not my chance.
Can we get her a Rand Paul hat, ASAP?
Get me Rand Hawk now.
Get me, yeah, Rand Paul in the front, Sarah Paulin on the back.
Do you think Rand Paul stands a chance at all for ever being in office?
Tell me why.
Tell me why.
If you say no, what do you think?
Does he stand a chance?
To be president?
President, number one.
No.
Chief.
No.
No, I like him.
I like him and I like what he's doing.
But on the debate stage, it just doesn't work.
He shrinks on the debate stage, really.
You mean hypewise?
No, no.
I mean like, he just kind of vanishes.
And I feel like he, I remember, I always tweet through these debates and I remember feeling like he, all of those issues that he really does care about, like freedom and these are things he lives.
He has trouble connecting to the audience on those things.
Like, I want to see someone who people feel like you need to be charismatic in politics.
You need to be someone that people feel like that person gets me.
Rand Paul.
Can I tell you something about Pat?
And this is something that he's taught me.
And I'll let you weigh in on this.
There's a difference between policy and personality and persona.
And, you know, we have this debate all the time.
Most people vote on persona, personality.
Rand Paul might have amazing policies, but people are going to be like, he's just born.
In the days of reality TV, social media, you need to be a big, vibrant, loudmouth mothersucker in order to sway the masses.
Clearly, Trump did that.
You know what's interesting about what you're saying?
I agree with you, but that standard oftentimes only applies to Republicans because Kamala Harris is terrible at this.
She laughs inappropriately.
Joe Biden is terrible at this.
He's in office right now.
Some of these Democrats.
Hillary Clinton is a horrible candidate.
Like, find me someone off the street, a random person off the street, and they will do that better than she does.
Horrible at being a political candidate.
Bernie's pretty loudmouthed and did his thing.
And kind of grumpy.
I mean, that wouldn't work on the right.
I'll tell you.
How about that?
How did that you need to be like what?
You have to be Clinton.
You switch on the right.
You have to be Luke Perry, basically.
I mean, he's great characters.
Did you see her eyes like literally flutter as she brought up?
My husband's at home watching.
Like, I saw that.
I saw that eye.
I'm sure you've had many sides.
By the way, Luke Perry or Chris Isaac?
Because Chris Isaac showed up.
Do you remember Chris Isaac or no?
Chris Isaac, we showed up with the singer.
Singer showed up one time on.
Not that one.
There was another one that he had.
He had the theme.
The video.
He had this video that jukebox would play all the time, and you would not miss Chris Isaac on the beach.
I probably's crying.
Is it somebody's crying?
It was from the movie, something, the game, the crying game.
Wicked game.
It's wicked.
Wicked game.
That was a pretty sick song.
By the way.
It's a sick remix.
I think he did a put in Chris Isaac, Beverly Hills 90210.
Am I just losing my mind here?
Possibly.
I thought he was.
He was Isaac with a K.
Yeah, he was on Beverly Hills 90210.
I don't know.
You missed that episode.
Oh, he was?
No, I definitely saw the episode.
I have to see where it was.
But Pat, you were saying about personality persona.
Yeah, so she has a point because the last election, again, the last election wasn't about personality.
I don't think anybody showed up to a Biden rally.
Everybody that showed up got a $50 gift certificate to Cheesecake Factory.
I was shorting that.
But it was media really made you hate Trump, so they showed up against him.
There was no personality or policies.
You go to Hillary.
It wasn't personality.
She didn't focus on policy.
The question she asked in the view, which you should see, the question she asked, she says, Do you think one of the reasons why maybe, again, I'm paraphrasing is because Obama's policies on Obamacare didn't work out.
And then, as well as you were focused so much against him versus he was focused on policies, and that's why he lost.
Do you think that's what really happened?
And then she said, maybe a little bit, and then she went and gave her answers.
But I think Hillary didn't focus on policies.
Hillary was more about, let's make the first woman, the first female.
That was her campaign.
It was never policy.
So she's not going to win.
She went on Zach Galifanakis.
I don't know if you saw that one when she was on Zach Galifanakis.
Between two ferns.
Between two ferns.
Did you ever see that one?
I know.
I did, sadly.
Sadly.
So Obama.
Obama went on there.
No, no, no.
So she tried to play the Obama playbook.
Okay.
The difference is Obama went on there and he had charm and he won.
Hillary went on there and he says, I'm sorry, we got to take a break for our advertisers.
And he plays the Trump video.
He says, this is brought to you by our sponsor, Donald Trump.
I don't know if you remember that.
It's hilarious, right?
And then she's like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
What is this all about?
But it was so funny.
And her rebuttal wasn't the right one.
Like, you just didn't like her.
She's awkward.
She's awkward and uncomfortable.
And that was very robust.
Bill Clinton was likable.
Bush Sr. screwed up because he was kind of like the out-of-touch president.
And Ron Paul kind of hurt him a little bit when that question was asked about debt.
Reagan had charm and charisma and humor probably more than anybody else in the last 50 years.
Bush was kind of quirky, funny, likable.
Like, hey, I want to have a beer with this guy, President.
Junior.
Yeah, Junior.
He was different.
You know, he was different.
You literally did have a beer with him.
Yeah, we had a great time together.
But today, the question becomes: who do we want today?
Like, what does America look for today?
Midterms is going to be a shellacking.
By the way, did you guys see the article that came out about Spain and Europe, what they're doing with COVID?
Did you see what just comes up?
Which one?
Okay, pull up that article about yesterday.
Very interesting, by the way.
This tells you a lot about what could happen in America.
Go to, it's a Bloomberg article.
I just emailed it to you.
That's the one.
Click on that.
Check this out.
Pretty interesting.
Europe slowly starts to consider treating COVID like the flu.
Welcome to the normal climate.
New metrics are needed as COVID becomes endemic.
Spain PM sets.
By the way, Spain is a socialist country.
Their former president left because they raised taxes so high.
Spain is calling for COVID-19 to be treated as an endemic disease like the flu, becoming the first major European nation to explicitly suggest that people live with it.
The idea has gradually been gaining traction and could prompt a reevaluation of government strategies on dealing with the virus.
British Education Secretary Nadahim Zahawi on Sunday told BBC that the UK is on path toward transitioning from pandemic to endemic to Omicron variant, variants, lower hospitalization and death rates despite record infections, prompted Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez to hold out the tantalizing prospect of Europe moving beyond the pandemic restriction on normal life.
By the way, very, very good news.
What does endemic mean?
Meaning it's like to the end of the day.
You're not getting rid of it.
You're not getting rid of COVID.
Like this idea.
And I think it's important to remember how this started.
It was like two weeks to flatten the curve.
And that meant a couple of weeks.
You were going to do a lockdown.
I was somebody that was on board with that, by the way, in the beginning.
I was like, okay.
Everybody was because it was so new and so like, what the hell's going on?
What's going on?
Right.
Two weeks flatten the curve.
And that meant, okay, we're going to flatten it.
We're going to get these hospitalizations down.
We're going to get treatments out there.
Although we now know that a lot of treatments were suppressed.
It's a whole other conversation.
But regardless, you know, it was okay.
Now it's what, two years later?
And we're, I mean, some teachers unions are advocating for teachers not to do in-person teaching in the United States of America.
So this is right.
This is right.
It's endemic.
Yes, it's endemic.
And Omicron, for the vast, majority of people of all age brackets is a cold.
That is what it is.
It is a cold for most people.
And we've never had bad.
So like true, but for bad colds, do you not have in-person learning for children?
Do you not have people going to work?
I mean, this is crazy at this point.
So what they're doing, great.
Some of us have been saying this for months and months and months.
And it's not happening in the United States.
Why is it not now?
Well, now you see a little bit.
It was a report that the AP came out and said, let's not focus on cases anymore.
Let's not.
How convenient.
You had a death tracker up on CNN for how long?
Well, of course, you're not going to focus on cases because a lot of these cases are asymptomatic people or people with mild symptoms.
And that's not an indication of anything except that, yeah, COVID is around.
Omicron is around.
People are getting it.
They're feeling a little bit sick.
A few days later, they're better a lot.
Most people.
Most people.
So, you know, media has changed.
You're going to see a lot of manipulation come because they have to protect Joe Biden.
And Joe Biden said he was going to get rid of the virus.
And he didn't because he wasn't going to get rid of the virus.
And Trump wasn't going to get rid of the virus.
No one was going to get rid of the virus.
Trump also said that it's going to be here today and gone tomorrow by July 4th.
Or we're all going to be going to Easter together.
Well, but here's what I would say.
So guess what?
America fired him, right?
Which is fine.
Which is fine.
But check this out.
Here's the part.
And I posted this the other day on a tweet.
I said, I look for constant.
This is very important to keep talking about this because we had under Trump when COVID came out, the worst day in cases was 300,000 cases.
I think it was January 28th of 2021, which he was still president pre-inauguration, right?
300,000 cases in a day.
The worst day under Biden has been 1,018,000 in a day, which was nine days ago, eight days ago.
Million 18 in a single day.
So Trump got fired.
Obama's the next president.
Who has been constant?
Biden is president.
Trump got fired.
Who has been constant during these two administrations?
You're one person.
You're one person, Dr. Fauci Fauci.
And by the way, so I brought this up conversation with some people.
I was in Vegas yesterday.
I just got back from Vegas last night, 11 o'clock.
I got back to the place.
We had an insurance conference.
And we're having this conversation.
One guy works at the emergency room in Maryland, and he's a doctor, and we're having this debate of what's going on.
Fauci, so you make a decision on what to do with this whole situation of the virus on how to handle it.
You go back and you look at what he did with AIDS.
You go back and look at what he did with all this stuff.
I'm not even going to go there.
Just go read the book by RFK, The Truth About Fauci, if you haven't read it.
If you're an interesting person, I think it's a very good book.
It's a long book, but it's worth the read.
I went through the book.
It's fascinating.
Here's the part.
I don't think that position moving forward, I'm comfortable being one person.
I don't think I'm comfortable with that.
Like a Supreme Court.
I think it's the Supreme Court model.
I'm comfortable.
It's a 3-2.
It's a 4-3.
He's 80 years old.
It's 4-3.
And you guys sit there.
So guess what?
On one side, you have somebody that's part of Peter McCullough camp.
You know, you got somebody that's part of a Malone camp.
You got somebody that's part of that camp.
On the other side, you got a Fauci.
You got any of these guys that are there?
No problem.
Sit down, hash it out.
Let us, let Congress people question both of you and let us kind of sit down and hear it.
But right now, the only person's argument we are allowed to hear is Tony's.
That's right.
And in business, you know what you would call that?
You know what you would call that?
Monopoly.
You would call that a monopoly.
And what do we do, monopoly?
Story came out just yesterday as the government right now is breaking apart Facebook saying WhatsApp, Instagram, you cannot have all.
And by the way, I think they're right as a capitalist.
But as a capitalist, I think this guy's got the biggest monopoly and it's hurting America.
And I think if, here's a crazy prediction for you.
If, check this out, Adam.
Curious to know what you would say about this.
Jedited, I imagine we wake up tomorrow morning, pre-midterms, tomorrow, Friday.
Announcement made.
The Biden administration have decided to part ways with Fauci and a new person is going to be replacing him.
Okay.
And they'll be announcing it next week or two.
How do you think America is going to react if that were to happen?
Actually think about it.
And by the way, so you have the people on the left, the 47%.
You have the people on the right who are 44%.
They're not going to change their positions.
The 44% is going to be ecstatic.
The 47% is going to be, that's the dumbest decision you ever made.
I'm talking about the middle, take the libertarians out, the Green Party.
I'd say the middle 12%.
How is the middle 12% going to react if they announce tomorrow that Fauci is fired?
Well, you think they're going to react well?
Yes, I do.
I actually do because he's so horrible.
And I think people know.
But it depends on who goes in there.
And what you're saying about, you know, put someone who's like Fauci, put someone who's like Malone.
Let them hash it out.
That will never happen because these people are big pharma mouthpieces.
End of story.
That's who Fauci is.
He is a big pharma mouthpiece.
He has lied repeatedly to people about a number of issues over and over and over again.
He lied about what the vaccine was capable of.
He lied about what it was incapable of.
He lied about masks.
He's telling people, don't see your unvaccinated family members.
Why?
Vaccinate.
Everyone I know who's vaccinated has either can get it.
They're spreading it.
It's happening all over the place.
Why?
So I think there's a lot of people in the country that distrust him and want him out, but they also distrust the system at large.
And they don't believe they're questioning now big pharma at large.
There's people who never thought to ask questions about this stuff who are now saying, wait a minute, why is there liability protection for X, Y, and Z?
Why is there no accountability from Big Pharma?
Why are they allowed to tout statistics and whatnot?
And then if those statistics go down the toilet two months later, they don't have any accountability for what's actually gone on.
So I actually think the population would love that, but they would be like, okay, well, who is it now?
And I don't believe that the Biden administration would ever put someone forth that would be neutral.
Neutral is dangerous.
Well, and they, so they tried that with Corona.
They had, remember the task force?
They had like six or seven people on the task force.
They had the lady who wore the scarf every day.
Yeah, Deborah Burke.
She had Fauci.
You had everybody else.
And everybody was in conjunction except for one scientist, which was Scott Atlas.
And they squashed him.
Not only did they squash him, but they squashed all of the doctors in the Great Barrington, Great Barrington Agreement, it's called or whatever.
It's called Declaration, Great Barretton Declaration, that were coming out and saying, let's focus on the vulnerable here, but you can't lock down a whole society.
You can't do this to kids who are not at risk of this infection.
I mean, kids have a 99.997% plus survival rate to COVID-19.
And that is when you're even counting deaths as with COVID as opposed to from COVID.
So they're not interested in what you're suggesting.
That is not interesting to them.
What they want is this is the path.
People that we know that we want their pockets lined are going to get their pockets lined.
They also wanted fear and despair in the population.
They wanted people scared, terrified, feeling like you're not going to back mandates and lockdowns unless you are terrified.
So they needed the country scared, even if that wasn't justified.
And now you see them coming out and saying, oh, you know, half the people in New York hospitalized with COVID actually weren't hospitalized for COVID.
They just incidentally tested positive and many of them were asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic.
That had nothing to do with why they were being hospitalized.
They needed you to believe differently because division breeds loyalty to a regime.
Division breeds loyalty to very intrusive policies that stand to overtake your entire life.
And they needed that.
And now they're realizing that people are just awake because they're like, wait a minute, you told me this.
This didn't happen.
You told me if I got vaccinated, I wasn't going to get sick.
I got sick anyway.
This doesn't make sense.
So they're having to walk back their stats now.
And you're going to see collusion between the CDC and the Biden administration and the teachers' unions.
Eventually, they're going to roll in late on all of these talking points and media.
You're going to see the AP.
You're going to see, you already see it at CNN.
Jake Tapper coming out and asking, all of a sudden he has these questions.
Come on.
It's strategically colluded between all of these people and they would have never, ever allowed for dissent in those spaces.
And think about big pharma perspective too and the money that would have been stood to lose there.
Because if you ask questions, even just empowering people to do their own risk benefit analysis, there would have been people that got vaccinated anyway.
My parents would have gotten vaccinated anyway.
That was a decision they made, which by the way, I supported them in that decision.
I made those appointments with them.
I drove them to those appointments.
But there would have been people who didn't want the vaccine but got it for work because they couldn't put food on the table for their families otherwise that would not have gotten it.
Will they get fired because they made the vaccine?
Well, how about all now they're putting COVID positive nurses and doctors?
Oh, if you're asymptomatic, but you have COVID, you can go back into the hospital because there's shortages.
You fired COVID-recovered nurses and doctors who weren't symptomatic.
That doesn't work long term, though.
They're not going to win like that, though, Jededai.
It's not going to happen long.
No.
Look what's happening with Kyrie Irving right now.
He's laughing it up sitting on the side.
By the way, let me tell you, salute to him for not giving in.
Succumbing to the hospital.
I cannot tell you how much I respect the fact that the guy who, to me, and I'm telling you right now, I'm not a Kyrie fan.
You've heard what I've said about this.
This is a guy that's like, I don't care about this.
I don't care about this.
The fact that he said, no, I'm not taking it.
And the NBA had to pivot and adjust and say what?
Fine, you can play.
I don't think.
He still can't play in New York City or something.
It doesn't matter.
He's going to run long term.
He's proven he's the one that's making progress, not the NBA.
His argument is making progress, not the NBA's.
The NBA gave in to it and said, okay, fine, go ahead.
Because the NBA owner said, listen, man, like, you got to let this guy play.
And we're going to get this guy to play.
I'm a capitalist.
I got to run my business.
I'm paying this guy $19, $20 million a year.
I'm paying this guy to completely.
Other cities just don't have vax mandates.
I think his first game was Indiana.
Indiana's like, all right.
It doesn't matter.
But here's the angle that kind of is interesting to me.
So I'm a fan of Bernie Sanders as a person.
Hear me out.
Hear me out where I'm going with this.
I had a communist on.
I've had a lot of communists.
I probably interviewed on six or seven communists, right?
Sometimes Pat does on the weekends.
Debates.
I would love to know how many of those videos were pulled.
I'm guessing none.
None of them.
They're all on.
That is so surprising to me.
Caller Me shocked everyone.
Great research we just did in two seconds.
She's right.
None of them have been pulled.
But I have these commies on and I interview them and I'm curious to know what they think.
And I respect the ones that are true believers.
The ones that are just phony trying to sound like they're, you know, you'll catch them very quickly within 30 minutes.
You're full of shit.
You're not really talking about, right?
Okay, so you're just acting up.
But some of the guys you talk to, you're like, okay, cool.
I respect it.
I think Bernie's a true believer.
You know what's confusing to me with Bernie?
Why I think a Bernie and a Bernie and an AOC in the most strangest way are necessary.
Let me explain why.
AOC the other day called that, not the other day, about five weeks ago, called that Pelosi saying Congress, you know, people in politics shouldn't be able to, you know, invest because, yeah, because we have insider information.
She's like, no, I'm going to invest.
You can't tell me anything.
I'm going to do it, right?
But by the way, other people are now coming in.
And somebody, not Jim Jordan, who was a guy that maybe even Jim Jordan, who called that Pelosi recently, not Jim Jordan, the other guy.
Mark Meadows.
I don't know.
I don't know who it was.
Pull up to see who just called that Pelosi.
Here's where I'm going with this.
Do you know the medicine AZT?
AZT was for AIDS.
I only know Sudafed.
That's all I know.
Okay, that's right.
But AZT, AZT was a pill they came up with for AIDS, which, by the way, some claim 330,000 people died from this.
Like, remember, Accutane had a lot of side effects?
Like, this is like times, you know, a lot higher.
People died from taking AIDS medication.
They're taking AIDS medication.
But here's the part.
When they built this medicine, when they finally came out with this medicine, do you know how much it cost them to make each pill?
Two cents is what it costs them to make.
Pennies.
Are you selling it for $100 a pill?
No, it's not.
$10,000.
And guess who was for it?
A guy named Fauci.
So a person that shouldn't be for what Fauci is doing is in a random way.
I think an AOC, and a Bernie Sanders, if they come together and they realize that this guy is simply supporting big pharma, AOC and Bernie could play a very important role in a Fauci no longer being here because Bernie keeps talking about what?
What does Bernie say?
How could you charge so much for this medicine?
How could you charge so much for this?
Do you realize this?
This thing costs 60 cents to make, but they're selling it for $1,000.
Okay, Bernie, I agree with you.
You're right.
Keep pushing the envelope because the guy that's endorsing and allowing these things to happen, because here's what happens with them.
They got 20 different products that's being pitched.
Hey, this could be the cure for this.
But I'm only looking at the five that I want to deal with because it's got, I'm not spending time investigating these other ones.
So my resources are being used for this five.
But these other 15, they're cheap, cost-effective, less side effects, let's test them out.
No, not right now.
Maybe a year from now.
Maybe two years from now.
Maybe three years from now.
So I think the possibility of Fauci getting fired could be high.
And in the most random, weirdest way, I think the people that can help that happen is Bernie and AOC.
The thing is, though, Bernie and AOC, and you're right.
I mean, these are not, these should not be big pharma allies.
They should be sounding the alarm on all this stuff.
But the problem is, is that they're benefiting from the chaos, the division, and the panic.
Again, part of all of this is panic, right?
You know, because there are treatments available now.
We shouldn't be panicked now.
This is not March of 2020.
There are treatments available.
There are monoclonals.
There are drugs that we know.
Yes, ivermectin has been used successfully.
I know Joe Rogan took a bunch of hits, but it's true.
There have been numerous studies on that.
There's hydroxy, which people have taken.
There's other treatments that are available for people now.
If you take that panic away, if you take that division away, communism cannot thrive.
You can.
It can't.
It needs that because you have to believe that the state is for it.
You have to believe that it's the state.
It's what Fauci says.
These people are sheep.
They walk around.
They're like, I don't know what to do.
Do I double mask?
Do I shield?
Do I triple mask?
They need that.
So if you remove that and all of a sudden AOC starts questioning big pharma, people will start realizing, well, wait a minute, was this a lot of this?
Did a lot of this have to do with money?
Did a lot of this have to do with suppression of treatments?
Did we really need to be panicking for this long about this condition?
And I'm going to see what you're going to see.
I'm going to push back and see what you're going to say.
So how many people on the right would like to see a third party?
None.
On the right?
No, I mean, I mean, listen.
Like, let me ask you a question.
Yes, there are people, but it's not in a majority because they know that a third party will enable a Democrat success.
Now, let me ask the other question.
How many people on the left would like to see a third party?
You don't think so?
Okay.
Well, this is my idea on what I'm thinking that I do believe both sides want to see a third party.
Hear me out.
Hear me out here.
I think AOC is sick and tired of these Democrats that are getting in the way.
And I think AOC is convinced they're never going to buy in to what she's bought into, ever.
And I think AOC is eventually going to sit there and say, you know what?
I'm loud enough.
I got a bigger mic.
I get more likes.
I get more eyeballs.
I have more followers.
I got the younger audience.
You don't.
I'm sexier.
I'm more attractive.
I talk better.
I speak better.
And I'm a true believer.
And I'm going to get these guys to be convinced we need a third party.
So what's the third party?
A third party, say, Democratic Socialist Party comes up.
Let's just say.
I'm just throwing this out there.
Speculation, right?
I think where that 12% of America wants to go to, that I think America is run by 12%.
I don't think America is run by anything else but the 12%.
In the middle, you mean?
I think 12% runs America.
I think all the other guys are just wasting time.
12% of America runs America, period.
It's a 12% that was like, you know what, I don't know about Trump.
Let me go over here.
It's a 12% that said, you know, I don't know about Obama.
Let's go to Trump.
It's the 12%.
The 12% runs.
And the rest of the world is just talking.
Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin.
Everybody is talking.
12% is the one that runs the country.
I think if it gets to the tipping point where these guys are eventually sitting there having a strategy session, because I think the four, you know, what did it call the four, the four girls?
What's the swap?
I think if those guys are sitting behind closed doors and saying, hey, girls, you know what?
Let's do it.
Let's go.
Let's go all out.
Here's what we should do.
Now, you're shaking your head.
No, I see where you're going with this.
I'm telling you right now, I actually think that's good for America.
I actually think it's good for America if some of those guys go and some of the people from the right go, because I think the left.
I think the right from the right, they're like, screw this.
I want to be a libertarian.
I want to go independent.
Let's push.
Let's actually bank on bringing a Ron Paul, not a Ron Paul, the founder of the internet.
What's the guy?
The guy that helped Bush is not Al Gore.
Ross Perot.
Ras Perot.
Let's get the next Ross Perot true believer, a Shamat type of guy, a, you know, a person like that's like, screw Republicans, screw Democrats.
I'm an independent.
I'm a real independent that can make sense.
That's a salesperson that can get you to say this makes sense.
Like you're saying, Rand Paul doesn't.
He's so intellectual that he can't speak the language of the average person.
Believe it or not, I think there's going to be some positive happening from some of these socialists because they're not for big pharma.
And if you have to look at enemies, like if you can, if you sit there right now, make a list of enemies, like concerns, like if you, you know, if you sit there and you got, you got, I don't know if you guys got kids or no kids.
One can really have slightly two years old.
That's the name of her book.
You're hard to get.
That's my baby.
Who are you writing down over there?
You wrote an enemy down.
I feel you.
No, no, no.
I wrote a little note for myself.
He's too perceptive.
He's too perceptive.
I got a 985 and a six and a half month old baby.
Oh my God.
How are you not exhausted?
Vampire.
My eyes don't see anything.
But anyway, so here's where I'm going with this.
I think those guys are ambitious enough to believe that.
And I think if we look at the current enemies, look at the list of top 10 enemies, like you're raising kids and you say, who are the enemies of me raising kids?
Well, what school am I going to put them?
Teachers?
Like weird things you think as an enemy of a kid, a teacher, a friend, a coach, a Sunday school teacher.
Like you got to be kind of keeping your eyes open to see who's there, right?
Son of a friend's, you know, kids, like some of that stuff.
Okay.
Who are the long-term enemies of America?
Us.
Okay.
So one is Silicon Valley.
You have to put that on that list.
Two is what?
Let's say socialists.
Okay, fine.
Big pharma's got to be in the top 10.
Okay.
China.
Lobbyists got to be in the top 10.
China's at the number one spot, right?
You got to put Russia's probably in the top 10.
Iran's probably in the top 15.
But you have to put big pharma on that list.
So now how do you play against them?
The way this happens on holding them accountable is when both sides kind of team up and say, you know what?
No, it took you five cents to make this.
$10,000 is just too much abuse.
And all these health insurance costs, you guys keep on increasing.
I have a lot of employees.
Every year I'm paying more health insurance.
And I have the friction with the employee.
Well, my health insurance is going up.
I'm like, dude, I didn't increase your health insurance 30%.
This is what's increasing the health insurance.
I think there are certain things that those two sides can disrupt big pharma.
I don't know.
Maybe I had too much Sudafed this morning.
I don't know what it is.
Shout out.
I think you have a very valid point right here.
Everything you're saying.
Anyways, I may be confused and lost, but I think my point makes sense.
So here's the problem with that, though.
If that segment of the left, you're talking about the AOCs, the Bernie Sanders, if they're going to come out and criticize big pharma, they're going to come at it from the perspective of the solution is socialized medicine.
The solution is more government.
The solution is Medicare for all.
That's a problem that's going to appeal.
It'll appeal to some.
It will enrage others.
Also, they're going to have a really hard time doing that because they need the support.
If you're going to criticize big pharma, you also have to criticize the FDA.
You also have to criticize collusion that goes on between government organizations and institutions and these pharmaceutical companies and how really intrinsically linked they often are.
They're not going to do that.
So the right is the people on the right who criticize big pharma will come in and say, well, they'll talk about profits, but they'll talk about the answers to a lot of this is innovation, is choice, is freedom, is opportunity.
The people from the left who criticize big pharma are going to say, well, they're all about profit.
And the way that we fix this is that we remove profit.
And then you have socialized medicine where people are waiting, you know, lines and lines and lines.
And you have government deciding for you.
Instead of big pharma deciding for you what you need, you need this, you need that, you're going to have government deciding it for you.
And yeah, maybe it'll be less expensive, but I don't know that the outcome is any different.
So I think it's very tricky.
I don't, my, my question is always, how much support?
I know AOC's popular.
She's on TikTok.
She's talking to young people.
Most of what she says to me makes absolutely no sense.
I mean, I encourage her to come and sit and have a debate with me.
I think it would be really great television.
Most of what she says can easily be pushed back on and makes very little sense.
But how much of the country actually is going to support someone like that?
Because I do think there are a lot of people who will and a lot of people who won't.
But my concern is, what does that number look like?
What is that percentage?
Are we now seeing an America where these mandates and this way of life and this shift towards socialism is increasingly much more popular so that someone like an AOC, she ultimately decides one day she wants to run for president actually has a chance.
And what does that look like?
I don't know.
I think no, I don't.
I think we're really very split right now in the United States of America.
And all you need to do is, you know what, everybody out there, take a trip to New York City and spend three days there and then come out to Miami, head out to Dallas, Texas, and just see the two completely different worlds we're living in.
But I don't know how helpful it is.
I don't know.
I mean, I always think splitting up political parties has an advantage because you force people to actually stand for something.
But the allegiances will be the same, right?
Like AOC needs the teachers' unions.
The establishment Democrat needs the teachers' unions.
AOC needs government agencies.
The Democrat establishment needs government agencies.
That's why these third parties don't work oftentimes because they're out there on their own.
They have to break all of those ties.
And then who's funding them?
Where are their donations coming from?
The people?
Could work.
I don't know.
Well, I mean, that's the good part because neither Bernie nor AOC are getting checks from big pharma.
Again, that's the part where you got to respect where it's a lot of smaller guys that are giving them the money, right?
The government, though, is that better.
I totally get it.
But the part is, it doesn't matter.
If the two groups can unify on one enemy, one is going to pitch, this is why the government's got to take care of it.
The other one's going to say, no, you got to make the barrier to entry to compete a lot low because these guys are not helping the smaller companies come up and compete against the Pfizer, compete against this guy.
It's pretty much a control at the top, right?
So meaning for the longest time, tell me one automaker that competed in America.
When's the last time an automaker competed in America?
When's the last time?
You know how many years it's been?
Do you know how many years it's been that a new automaker comes out and whoops some ass?
When's the last time?
No, no, no, prior to that.
Prior to Tesla, you're saying.
Who was it?
Name it.
DeLorean?
An American company?
Yeah, who an American.
Yeah, an American company comes out and competes.
Other than the big three, other than GM, Chrysler.
Tell me one.
Nobody.
I can't even think of it.
Do you realize how many years that is?
So what happens with Tesla?
What's the best thing that happened with America?
Elon Musk.
Tesla comes out, disrupts the automotive industry.
They're scared.
They're sitting there saying, holy freaking moly.
Biden and his administration holds an EV meeting at the White House.
They invite Chrysler.
They invite Ford.
They invite GM.
And the only guy they don't invite is the guy that disrupted the EV, Elon Musk.
So how necessary isn't Elon Musk?
Very necessary.
But he's not a politician.
So here's the thing.
But I'm saying opposing.
I'm saying if the two, like, like, but Elon Musk is also not a Republican, right?
Elon Musk is probably independent.
He's not a Republican.
You can't sit there and say Republican.
Right.
All I'm saying is, I think the people on the right, anything they say about big pharma, the left is going to say what?
Yeah, they're going to say something like that.
Well, how about the fact that, you know, Ruber, you know, Murdoch and what Fox is doing?
But if an AOC and a Bernie says that, then Democrats have to sit there and say, ooh, maybe Bernie's right.
Yeah, this is true.
This is like this whole thing right now, the confusion with my body, my choice.
Right.
What is my body, my choice?
Right.
My body, my choice is what?
Is, hey, if I want to get an abortion, it's up to me.
You're right.
Look at the hypocrisy in the last 12 months.
You're right.
My body, my choice.
And that's a debate that's a little bit different too, because, and people always say, well, my body, my choice.
You're right.
There is a lot of hypocrisy from people who would argue, who would support abortion, but then would turn around and tell you that, you know, the vax mandates are totally legit.
But the difference with that is also because people will come out and say, well, that involves another person.
You know, if you're pregnant, that involves another life.
That's a whole different pro-life argument that would have to be brought in and debated.
But I understand what you're saying, but I don't think, I think that what you would be suggesting would imply that these politicians are principled and don't have those underlying ties to establishment X, Y, and Z throughout.
Like, I don't think AOC is someone who's out there.
You saw a year ago, I remember she was making headlines.
She was going after Pelosi.
They were like, the division, the left is falling apart.
She took two steps forward and she fell right back in line because she understands that there's a lot of power that comes from being part of something.
She can criticize them.
I don't know.
I don't know if what you're talking.
I think there are people who can break the system.
Right.
But I firmly believe that those people come from outside of Washington, D.C., not inside.
Yeah, to me, I see Bernie and AOC that they believe what they're talking about.
Bernie more than AOC because Bernie got married and his honeymoon was in Russia.
I mean, did you go to Russia on your honeymoon?
I didn't go to Russia.
Well, he believes it, but he's not, he's not living.
His lifestyle doesn't ascribe to what he's got a ton of money.
And he does have a lot of money, but he's also a guy that in the area of going up against big pharma, I'm just telling you, he will play a very important role in beating those guys.
He's very, very important in that area.
Okay.
You and I don't have to agree on, hey, you don't like Tyler, I don't like Tyler.
Oh, whatever.
But you like him, I don't like him, whatever.
I like Adam, you don't like Adam, whatever.
But if you and I agree and say, look, that guy right there, I don't agree with that.
He does this, this, this.
But that one thing, I can go on that one thing with you.
And you open up and say, look, folks, Bernie here and I don't agree on 99% of things.
But let me tell you the one thing that we agree in.
There's no way in the world medication costs $1,000 when they make it for pennies.
That's the one area.
Bernie, is it fair to say we agree on that?
I think we want to see that.
We want to see it.
It's never going to happen.
It's never going to happen because that's not how the size of the political aisle works.
I read this book called The Power of Positive Thinking.
You're very positive.
And I understand.
No, in a different political environment, in a different world, I hear what you're saying.
It sounds great that people would be able to focus on an issue, come together on different sides of an aisle, attack that issue.
They're just, it's not going to happen because they see it as a domino effect and they're going in such drastically different directions solution-wise.
That's the problem.
My solutions are over here.
Your solutions are over here.
Never to come and meet in the center for any reason.
I just don't think it's going to happen.
But we can agree to disagree on that one.
I'll watch.
I want front row tickets in popcorn if that starts happening.
If you want to talk, big pharma, please.
You have the mic.
Come on here.
Let's talk.
He's going to do it.
Big pharma.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie shows up one of these days.
Okay.
You talked about Rogan earlier, right?
I want to read the story.
Can you pull up this Tech Insider article that just came out, which is absolutely, and I'm going to give you a prediction.
I'm going to make a prediction here with this on what I believe is going to happen next.
Do you know which one I'm talking about?
I emailed it to you.
If you want to pull it up, you should have it somewhere there.
So folks, a lot of people are not happy with this guy named Joe Rogan.
Can you do me a favor and go to the actual article instead of just having it that way?
Go to the actual article.
It says, put Spotify, misinformation, scientists, police.
Those words, it should come up.
Doctors call on Spotify to swap.
Okay, there you go.
Here we go.
We'll read this.
Doctors call, make it a little bit bigger so I can read it.
Doctors call on Spotify to stop COVID misinformation, citing Joe Rogan podcast.
The platform is helping damage public trust and scientific research, according to a letter signed by hundreds of medical professionals.
I believe the number is 270, by the way, that signed this.
Go a little bit higher.
More than 250 medical professionals have signed an open letter calling on Spotify to clamp down on COVID misinformation spreading on his platform, especially calling out the podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
The letter took issue with December 31st episode of Joe Rogan Experience Podcast when he featured Dr. Robert Malone, an immunologist who claims to have created the mRNA technology, but is now vocal skeptic of the vaccine that use it By allowing the propagation of false and societally harmful assertions, Spotify is enabling its hosted media to damage public trust and scientific research.
And so, doubt and the credibility, data-driven guidance offered by medical professionals.
Great words, by the way, the way they worded that sounds very legit.
This is not a scientific or medical concern.
It's a sociological issue of devastating proportions.
And Spotify is run for a long time.
The letter was first reported Wednesday by Rolling Stone.
Okay, so now watch this.
So now they're attacking who?
They're going after Rogan, but they're really going after who.
This is not Rogan.
They're going after Spotify.
Okay.
So who is who runs Spotify?
Who is the CEO of Spotify?
Who's the CEO of Spotify?
Pull up CEO of the Spotify, okay?
And you'll see who he is.
Daniel Eck.
Yeah, and what he wants to do, okay?
What he wants to do.
Swedish billionaire.
Yeah, right.
Swedish billionaire.
He's 38 years old.
Young dude.
And he wants to win that game.
I think Michelle Obama is with them, podcast.
Kardashians, I believe, is with them, podcast.
They're going after all the big names, right?
Where's Obama and 16?
Yeah.
Here's all I'm saying to you.
Watch in the next week, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, if they go after this guy, because now he's a target.
Okay.
Watch if something comes out with a Me Too, drug habit.
Watch if something comes out with his personal life.
You know, he lost Super Mario Brothers when he was 18.
Watch something comes out.
He broke up with his first girlfriend.
He likes older women.
He likes whatever.
He's into certain kinky things.
Something's going to come out about this guy in the next year.
Do you think there's going to be some hit pieces?
Think about it this way.
For sure.
Who is?
Like that whole thing with Getter, right?
The Getter Twitter.
And Joe Rogan called them out.
I think he said one of the investors in Getter is what, Chinese something?
I don't know if you saw that or not, that he called it out.
Even Rogan, who got them a million people, he still slammed them.
And he said, Joe Rogan slammed social media platform.
Getter, call it.
What does he call it?
Fugesi, just days after current fucker.
Yeah, okay.
And Fugesi, just days after joining, go a little lower.
Okay, so anyway, so Joe Rogan calls, Joe Rogan calls, Joe Rogan calls out this new app because the investors in the back end are Chinese.
But right now, Silicon Valley, think about how many people, like our most viewed interview on Spotify is Dr. Malone's interview.
Right.
Our most viewed interview ever on Spotify is Dr. Malone because everybody says, where can I get it?
You can go to Spotify.
We don't have a Rumble account.
Rumble account CEO reached out to me.
We're going to have a conversation, see what happens there.
But I'm not on Rumble.
So point being: if this happens, and they're now fearing what Rogan's doing, if Daniel stays strong, as big as Spotify is, they're about to blow up even more.
If he stays strong, they're about to blow up.
100%.
But see, this should terrify everyone what's going on.
I mean, and you know, I saw that Joe Rogan was a target, so I started listening to him because I was like, what is this guy doing over there that's getting so much heat?
People are terrified.
He's just having people on and asking questions.
He's just having guests.
They're coming on, doctors.
He's asking questions.
He's not telling everyone, don't get vaccinated.
I have never heard him say that.
He's saying, look, I know people who had bad side effects.
I know people who didn't.
What's going on here with the data?
You know, he taught, he had a video was released the other day that I had missed from December where he's talking about how pharmaceutical companies, they're the only ones that retain their raw data.
This is important information.
And you have Americans left, right, and center right now who are tired of establishment media.
Because yeah, you know, you showed that article and it says, oh, all these medical professionals hate this.
Who are you talking about?
Are you talking about big pharma allies that are threatened by someone who's actually asking questions to people like Malone?
Why are you still threatened by Malone?
You have a million doctors sitting on cable news all day long that for the last year and a half have been spouting lies and nonsense that have then, we've watched every single one of those things be disproven.
Most of them have never apologized for anything.
But you can't listen to Dr. Malone on Joe Rogan give his opinion and talk about what he sees happening.
Why is there a shutdown?
So people should be absolutely horrified by what's happening.
And you know what?
Go and listen.
Go.
Get on Joe Rogan's show and just listen.
Because the same thing happened to me.
You know, I was shut down for misinformation on network television.
I then wrote an article.
I don't know if you know this, but the Daily Mail had approached me.
I saw that.
They took it back or something like that.
They pulled it down in the middle of the night.
They asked me.
The Daily Mail asked me to write an article about my stand on vaccines.
I wrote the article.
I submitted it.
It was edited.
Like I agreed to the edits.
They published it.
In the middle of the night, it disappears with no explanation.
This is happening to people in every aspect of media.
There is a shutdown of people just asking questions.
So, you know, and nothing I said in the, I then posted screenshots and I was like, look at what I'm saying.
I'm telling people to make their own informed decision based on their own risk benefit analysis and their own conversations with their doctors.
That's somehow threatening to big pharma.
And of course it is because big pharma is coming out with one size fits all approaches and one size fits all never works in medicine.
It never works in health.
Anyone who's had any health obstacle in their life knows that one size fits all is garbage.
So be scared.
And you know, when we were talking about the election, I remember people talking about, you know, a stolen election.
And I didn't buy into that because they were talking about voting machines.
And I was having conversations.
I was on Fox News at the time with GOP officials on the ground who were telling me this is not true.
You know, we are Republicans.
We are making sure we are counting these.
We are manually counting them after this stuff, you know, is tallied up in the machines.
This is not happening.
And I say now, if you're going to talk about an election and collusion, what you really should have been talking about is this stuff.
There was collusion going on between big tech.
There was collusion going on between politicians and big pharma.
All of that was happening.
All of that was happening.
That was what led to the election changing the way that it did.
It wasn't about COVID.
It was about all of that stuff.
It was about manipulation of data.
It was about manipulation of information.
It was about CNN's tracker that was up, the death tracker, and now suddenly is not there.
This was all targeted.
So if you're a free speech advocate, I don't care.
I don't give a damn if you're a Republican, a Democrat, a Libertarian.
If you are a free speech advocate and you just want people to be able to have their voices heard, to have their questions answered, then you should be appalled by what is going on right now with the shutdown of voices.
And Joe Rogan is an example of that.
And the only reason he's getting attention is because he has a ton of viewers and they're like, oh my God, this may convince people to realize that they should have ownership of their own lives and their own health.
That's all it's about.
His viewership puts MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, Hannity, Tucker to shame.
We had the stats up last week.
And I don't agree with him on everything.
I mean, Joe Rogan.
As Pat says, the most necessary voice in America, right?
He can't be boss.
And so is every individual podcast.
And that's people are like getting away from corporate media and they're listening to people like you.
They're listening to people like Rogan.
They're listening to all of these people who are just telling you what they think and having guests on and asking hard questions.
That's all it's about.
But science is meant to be questioned.
And if you are opposing that, then you're endorsing propaganda.
But Jeff, you know, the problem with big pharma is that there's no money in natural immunity.
It can't be monetized.
I said that for a while.
Exactly.
So if there's no money in it, why the hell would they just encourage that?
She spent a lot of money in vaccines and maths and everything.
There's over 140 studies now that confirm natural immunity.
Natural immunity is not new.
This is not a new concept.
You know, when I went, when I was pregnant and I went to the doctor and she tested me, you know, things like measles and chickenpox can be dangerous if you get them when you're pregnant.
So she said, we're going to test you.
We're going to test you for antibodies.
Even though I had been vaccinated for measles when I was young, I had had, I actually had been exposed to chickenpox.
I never got the rash, but I had the antibodies.
She tested me.
She said, okay, you have the antibodies.
Don't worry.
She didn't say, oh, you have the antibodies.
Let's give you a booster.
This is not new to scientists.
And there's a lot of doctors around the country that have been outraged.
These are doctors who are vaccinated.
The guy who wrote my medical exemption is vaccinated himself.
These are not anti-vaxxers.
It's not a group of anti-vaxxers.
These are doctors who are saying.
Dr. Malone is vaccinated.
Yes, he's vaccinated.
And he's been.
He's got COVID.
He thought he was going to die.
He's been labeled as anti-vaxx in virtually every headline that's come out.
That is absurd.
You know, even though he took it, by the way, I mean, listen, this is the part that becomes a challenge.
In 2012, I lose my voice.
For six months, I can't talk.
So if you, like, I can't talk at all.
I'm struggling for it.
Six months?
Six months.
That's a long time.
That's a long time.
So I'm talking like this.
That's how I'm talking.
Six months.
And I'm going on tour speaking.
Oh, my God.
It's a freaking very strange time.
So I go to the doctor.
Doctor's like, yeah, I hate to say this.
You got cancer.
I said, what?
He said, you got cancer.
I said, what are you talking about?
I got cancer.
He says, let me show you.
He shows, he says, that's cancerous and it's spreading.
And we got to do something about it.
I'm like, oh, my gosh.
He says, we got to do surgery tomorrow.
I said, I can't.
I got to go to Hawaii.
I got a speech I'm giving to Hawaii, but I can do it on Monday.
He said, no, it's very important.
I said, I'm going to do the speech in Hawaii.
I'll come back.
And so I go to Hawaii.
I do the speech.
I come back.
Monday morning, 5 a.m., they do the surgery.
But I called two other doctors that then I went and saw.
And the other doctor says, no, I don't think it's cancerous, but you should do the surgery.
No, I don't think it's probably going to be benign.
But, you know, best thing is to handle it ASAP in case it is cancer.
Okay.
Monday morning, 5 a.m., we go in, surgery is done.
I wake up.
They take it out.
They call me two, three days later, and I'm in Columbia out of all the places.
And he says, Hey, it's benign.
You're fine.
Okay, great.
Fantastic.
But the process was, after the first person told me I got cancer, I got a second opinion.
When somebody tells you what you got, you get a second opinion.
It's almost as if we can no longer use that philosophy of go get a second opinion.
For centuries, for decades, we've been told, get a second opinion.
No, you can't get a second opinion.
Can you imagine if you can't get a second opinion on a health matter?
You know, I'm going to tell you who's going to lead the charge against big pharma.
It's going to be people who have encountered a chronic condition in their life.
I don't know if you know I had Lyme disease in the past.
I think once you have Lyme disease, you kind of always have it lingering in your body, but I got a late-stage diagnosis of that.
My symptoms were crazy.
Anyone out there who's listening who's had Lyme disease is like, I've been there.
I know they're like, yes, because it's discredited.
You know, a lot of pharmaceutical companies tell you, oh, you have Lyme disease.
What I got told, here, take two weeks of antibiotics, you're done.
I was, I had, I had massive vertigo.
I had tingling and numbness in my cheek at one point.
I was like, did I have a stroke?
I couldn't walk a straight line from point A to point B.
I was deathly sick, muscle spasms, muscle aches, chills, temperature deregulation.
I mean, the symptoms were endless.
I fixed it.
I didn't fix it through big pharma because big pharma told me, oh, this is the condition.
These are the treatments.
End of story.
See you later.
If you still have symptoms, it's just inflammation.
That's what I got told.
I went through holistic doctors.
I went through an individualized approach.
I spoke to physicians who wanted to talk to me about what was actually happening and I fixed it.
So anyone who suffered with that, and we know with this vaccine, there are a lot of groups of people who there's no clinical trials on them, autoimmune issues, this, that, and the other thing.
Those people are just saying, some of them are saying, I'm open to the vaccination, but just I need more data.
Others of them are saying, my doctor is saying he's seeing X, Y, and Z in people like me, so I'm hesitant.
Others are saying, I had COVID already.
I was fine after two days.
I don't want to do this because I have a proclivity toward X, Y, and Z.
So in a world where there needs to be, you know, you talk about empathy and compassion with COVID.
You should have empathy for people who lost their lives.
You should have empathy for people who lost loved ones.
You can do that, but at the same time, can you have some empathy for people who don't fit inside inside your one-size-fits-all bucket and people who are looking at their own health and saying, this has been advised to be potentially hazardous for me, and I'm healthy and I'm fine.
So, can you do you protect yourself and let me worry about me?
That's scary that those people, where's the voice for all those people?
You know, again, so where this goes to, and appreciate you for sharing that.
Obviously, that's a personal story.
But, you know, this goes to one thing.
This is why I trust capitalism.
I just trust capitalism.
Spotify is ruining everything for Silicon Valley.
Spotify is pissing these people off.
Spotify is making YouTubers people who watch YouTube.
My number one app is YouTube.
It's my favorite app.
I love the app YouTube.
It's got a lot of potential to change the world.
It's changed the world in many ways.
Education, all these other things.
But to me, Spotify is, I can guarantee you in their board meetings right now, the name Spotify comes up regularly.
It comes up in Google, it comes up in YouTube, it comes up in Facebook, it comes up in Twitter, it comes up in every one of those conversations.
They are all talking about this one company in Sweden called Spotify because capitalism works.
I'll give you a perfect example.
I go to the airport.
Okay, are you TSA Pre?
Are you clear?
Are you also clear?
I'm not clear because I don't fly that much.
Are you clear or no?
Are you just TSA Pre?
Okay.
So check this out.
So I'm TSA Pre and I'm clear, and I go to the airport.
TSA Pre.
Hey, yeah, hey, put your mask on.
Like, oh, shit, sorry.
I put the mask on.
Because I forget in Florida, like literally, I forget every time people have to tell me.
Clear will say, hey, do you mind putting a mask on?
Do you need one?
We have a clear mask we can give you.
Here we go.
We'll give it to you.
Oh, thank you so much.
Okay.
Perfect reason why capitalism works.
TSA Pre, public company, government organization.
Okay.
Clear, private company.
Okay.
They have to serve you.
They have to service you or else they don't get business.
TSA Pre, if you tell a TSA Pre employee, what did you say?
I'm going to write a negative review on Yelp about TSA Pre in Dallas report.
They're going to say, I don't give a shit.
Tell it clear, what's your name, Johnny?
No problem.
I'm going to write a negative review and I'm going to send an email.
Oh, please.
So what can I do to make it better?
I'm so sorry.
This has been a terrible experience.
Let me make it better for you.
What can I do?
That's capitalism.
Capitalism is about serving you.
And the government organizations are like, you better listen to me because you don't have an alternative.
The other day, Jen, we're going through.
I don't know where we're going.
Where were we last week?
I don't even know where we were.
Anyways, we're going somewhere and Jennifer's got the milk because maybe it's still six months, so she's still going through the phase of, you know, all the machines that she's got to travel with.
But she has the milk and she puts it through.
And the guy standing there, and it's been 10 minutes.
I'm like, I got a flight.
He says, excuse me, is there any way you can?
How soon can you guys take a look at Jen's back?
Wait, we'll let you know.
And walks off.
I'm like, dude, I'd love to slap you upside the head right now.
But if I do, I'm going to jail if I do that because you can't do that, right?
That's not customer service.
Let me get with you in a minute.
Let me see what I can.
Let me see if I can get somebody.
That's TSA.
So trust capitalism, man.
Long term, as long as capitalism is this core system where people can compete in the marketplace, product prices will go lower, products will improve, websites will get better, experiences will get better, customer service will get better, customer experience in every possible way.
Capitalism can help make your life better because they have to compete.
Think about it.
When these guys don't compete is when those things don't get better.
I'm listening to what you're saying, and I 100% agree, but my mind immediately goes to schools because you have kids all around the country suffering in schools that don't work.
Every time someone suggests vouchers, every time someone suggests charters, every time someone suggests turning, you know, bringing the free market into the educational system and doing something, actually doing something about that, Democrats come back and say, well, no, it's just more funding that we need.
Meantime, we've been giving funding to schools for so long, more and more, more money, and it doesn't produce the whole thing with Betsy DeVos, right?
That's exactly what I'm saying.
She got vilified.
If you watched anything on the left, you think she's the most evil person ever.
She was about school vouchers, and that's essentially capitalism.
See, it all.
The reason, you know, you asked me in the beginning if this was my hill to die on the vaccines, and I said, It's not about vaccines for me.
It's about freedom.
It's about empowering people.
It's about you have a kid and you have one school in your district, and that school is failing.
And you want the opportunity to take your child into a better school system, into a better school, and you can't do that.
I want to empower that family to be able to do that.
I want to force those bad schools to perform better by having to compete with a really good school that now kids are flocking to.
And again, the reason people on the left often oppose all of these things is because it removes power from government and it removes power of government over you.
Government then can no longer tell you what school you put your kid into.
And once people realize that they don't need government for those things, that they can rely on themselves, that they have some freedom in society, they can build their own lives, that they get to keep more of their hard-earned cash, all of those things, government becomes less and less powerful, less and less needed.
And the politicians that are espousing big government lose favor with the public.
So the whole system is broken because of a lack of freedom.
So I was talking education because I came out of education in television first.
Now I'm talking about vaccines.
I could be talking about anything, but what I'm really talking about is freedom.
That is a hill I will die on more so now because I have a two-year-old and I'm increasingly worried about the world that he's coming into.
I want him to be a free thinker.
I want him to live freely.
I want him to be able to build the life he wants for himself and make his own choices for his own health and his own family.
And I want people who are going to be an obstacle to that to be voted out of office and to get out of his way.
So he has given me a great sense of motivation and power at this time.
And I just think of his face and I'm like, this is worth fighting for.
Respect.
Respect you for doing that.
Respect you for doing that.
A couple of things before we wrap up.
One, Megan McCain.
Okay, so Megan McCain, she also is no longer with them.
She was going through some challenges and she had, I think she openly talked about the fact that she had a mental breakdown while she was pregnant.
I don't know what it was.
There was something she went through that she's like, man, I just can't handle this.
This was like, I'm worried about the risk for my kids, all these other people, all these other things.
Who would you say if you or Megan, because Megan can't stand Trump?
Like, that's the idea.
That's the real person for View.
You know, you want somebody like that.
And you called Trump a third grader for calling on Chris Wallace or whatever it was.
And then you said, if Obama went through it, you didn't say anything, you know, that whole thing you talked about.
Who do you think could work for the View?
Is there a name or two or three that you would say?
No, I think it has to be someone that I think they're going to wind up probably hiring someone who hates Trump.
But you can't just hate Trump.
Like, yeah, you know, Megan McCain personally, she and her family have issues with the Trumps, and she's been very public about that.
But I don't see her as someone who wouldn't give credit to a policy if it was due.
That's no good.
You have to hate Trump across the board.
That means everything he does is wrong.
I think they'll probably wind up hiring someone who works for a CNN or, you know, a company that, you know, liberals like to see conservatives like, oh, well, they're legit.
They work for CNN.
There's one name that came to mind that's on CNN that's exactly who I thought of.
That's the girl with the initials.
Oh, I know Essex.
Anna Devara is it?
Not Anna DeVaro, Essie Carl.
So I know Essie pretty well.
It's possible.
I think you want to.
She's a conservative, but she's on CNN.
And she's definitely not a traditional liberal at all.
They're going to find someone who's a family.
You'll know her with the glasses.
They're going to find someone who agrees with them most of the time, disagrees politely.
And on the key issues, remember, there are key issues that liberals prioritize, okay?
So there's key, right, you know, Trump, what happened on January 6th.
Right now, these are hot issues.
There's issues about race that you can't ask questions, you know, critical race theory, or you, the conservative they pick, and I say that in quotation marks, has to fall in line on those key issues.
They can talk about low taxes.
They can quietly disagree that maybe Kamala Harris isn't a great candidate, but it has to be in a way that doesn't disrupt the narrative.
It has to be a way that if there are these key issues, that they're preserved and that the audience walks away feeling like, oh, this is the right.
Okay, well, they disagree.
This is the right way of seeing things.
Anything that threatens that is going to be a problem.
But Jed, this goes back to my initial question.
This is sort of essentially what Pat was basically describing with the, you know, the socialist Democrats and basically the Tea Party movement.
Why does it have to be one unicorn person that hates you?
Like, why can't you have a MAGA person, a rhino, a Liz Cheney, and then have a couple, like, why have the people?
Because it's terrifying that the audience would walk away and actually be thinking.
When I left the view, when I left the view, I will tell you, I got so many messages from people who said, I disagree with you, but you made me think.
I disagree with you, but you changed my perception about what a conservative is.
I disagree with you, but I don't know.
Maybe I think about this, this, and this a little bit differently now.
That is terrifying to a liberal establishment, old school network that has a goal.
There is an agenda.
You don't see anything clearly until you realize there is an agenda here.
What's the agenda?
And the agenda is to have someone on there that you can claim a diversity of thought label on, but actually not present diversity of thought to the audience.
So it's a claim.
And, you know, it's a facade is what you're saying.
It's a facade, 100%.
And if you do get somebody on there like me, I think Megan, you know, stood firm on conservative principles in many ways.
I think that it presents a problem.
Sometimes it presents behind the scenes problem.
That was not the case with me.
Seems to be that that was the case with her, that she was sensing friendship.
What about Abby Huntsman?
Abby's very neutral.
Abby and I have been in similar jobs.
I don't know if you know Abby hosted Fox and Friends Weekend before I did, but Abby's very, she's kind of neutral.
She wants to see both sides.
Her brand is very much like, let's come together.
What's wrong with that though?
I don't, see.
Not enough fireworks.
See, the challenge is you want fireworks, but you almost want somebody, like I think their ideal candidate would be somebody that created fireworks, but the audience didn't like.
Didn't or did like.
Didn't like because they're unconvincing men.
I got one.
They're unconvincing.
You need to be unconvincing.
You need to be unconvincing.
Unconvincing.
Yes, because if you're a convincing conservative, you have compelled people to think.
Let me tell you, I have one name.
Well, I have a name that if this person was on there, I think it'd be like the top show competing with everybody.
If Kellyanne Conway was on there.
She's been on there before.
Yeah, but I'm talking about if Kellyanne Conway came out and said she's signed a one-year contract to be on a view, it'd be fireworks.
It'd be so uncomfortable for, I can just imagine Joyce's face, how disturbing it would be.
But that to me is television.
She's not interested.
Maybe Kellyanne Conway's daughter.
Daughter would be.
Do you see what's going on with those?
She would be.
I do.
I do.
She would be very supportive.
And another person, by the way, recently, apparently Ted Cruz's kids on TikTok.
Yeah, and also not supportive.
Also not supportive.
What about Ted Cruz's ugly wife?
You're saying that because of what Trump said.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
I'm just making that clear, clearing that path for you.
Yeah, because I'm sure everyone knows.
Yeah, and that goes to show you, too.
Hey, Ted, your wife's ugly and your dad killed JFK.
Do I have your vote?
Yes, sir, Mr. Trump.
Thank you.
Ted Cruz lost a lot of support after that because they were like, what?
Who are you?
What do you stand for exactly?
So, of course.
That's politicians, though.
Again, I always tell people, don't pledge allegiance to politicians.
They will disappoint you.
Pledge allegedly.
If there's anything that I took from this, it was a lot.
And I think, obviously, she's awesome.
It's not the allegiance to any political party or any political person.
Just do you, and you can agree and disagree.
And it's an issue thing.
What a lady we got, right?
What a lady we got.
I hope you guys have had fun.
Yes, I've had fun.
This was great.
So tell us about bela.locals.com.
Yeah, so I got tired of social media censorship.
You see what's been happening on Twitter in particular.
People are getting banned.
Malone was banned.
Everyone's getting banned for this and that.
I've had numerous friends that have just been reporting facts that get banned.
Then, of course, when the CDC comes out and supports it, we're like, oh, is that not misinformation?
What's going on here?
So there's a place called Locals that I, you know, I spoke to their reps over there and I said, you know what?
I want to create a censorship-free zone where I can talk to people, where I can share information, where they can share information with me, where I don't have to worry that, you know, big brother Silicon Valley is looking over my shoulder with their agenda-driven nonsense.
So it's just a free exchange of ideas.
It's something that should be happening in a free society everywhere.
I invite people to ask questions.
I'm going to be giving behind-the-scenes look at some projects that are coming up there.
I'm going to probably post a clip from us talking today over there if you guys give me one.
And it's just a space where people feel like they can be free thinking people.
And it's a conversation.
It's what social media promised and didn't deliver.
So it's bila.locals.com.
There's going to be some family stuff.
It's not all politics.
It's going to be culture and media.
It's going to be family.
It's going to be value-based.
Some stuff about my book, Dear Hartley, and what I hope for the next generation.
But more than that, it's just going to be a space where people feel like they can be themselves and they can ask things.
And I'm not going to criminalize them for asking a question.
You know what's going to be doing a bad name or rep these days is the word free thinkers.
Right.
Like the word free thinker has now been hijacked.
Like, oh, you're a free thinker.
I don't know about this guy.
He's thinking we're himself.
It's very dangerous.
Very weird, right?
What's the opposite of free thinking, though?
Boxed in?
I don't know.
What's the word you got in mind?
I'm asking you.
You speak English better than I do.
Loyalist.
It's a loyalist.
They're a loyalist in this.
Loyalist?
Is that the meaning?
Blind thinking.
Blind thinker.
And listen, it happens on the right, too.
It happens on the right, too.
There's people on the right.
It's like a 4744.
I've taken heat at ABC.
I've taken heat.
You know, Fox News.
I've taken heat for just being someone who isn't willing to tell a line.
And you know what the thing is that's frustrating is what I'm doing is reflective of the average person out there.
People don't just have those loyalties.
They ask questions.
They sit around the dinner table.
They agree.
They disagree.
They're not living in that DC bubble of that media elite.
They care about what they're doing.
If you only watch the media, you think Americans hate each other.
I mean, look at this office right here.
We've got left, right, center, gay, straight, brown, black, white.
Like, everyone gets along.
There's another guy on the podcast, Gerard.
Shout out to him.
People think we're freaking enemies.
We went to lunch yesterday.
Like, we hang out.
We're buddies.
It's not that serious, but the media basically portrays it's left, it's right, it's Trump, it's Biden, pick a side, wrestling match, you know, pay-per-view, AOC, Candace Owens.
Let's fight it out.
I'd like to see that, by the way.
That would be fascinating.
You might even want to be coming off the top rope.
Maybe I can.
Can I moderate that?
I'll moderate that.
I don't feel like you're going to be moderate at all.
I feel like you're jumping.
I can moderate it.
You're coming in with the people's elbows.
That's true.
I'll have elbow pads on, hopefully.
This was a blast.
This was a blast.
Thank you, Patrick, for this free exchange of ideas.
Yeah, really enjoyed it.
And I know your next move is between Texas and Florida.
Florida, if you like lifestyle, if you like no taxes.
Here's the pitch, by the way.
If you really want a low regulation with a governor that could potentially end up being the president of the United States, and you are eight hours away from Europe if you want to go on vacation.
You're an hour away from all the Caribbean, all that stuff.
You're 45 minutes from Cuba if you want to go to Cuba.
Loves Cuba.
If you want to go down to South Beach, I know a couple places that we can hang over.
Your husband will like it.
You've got a great tan.
Do you like being tan or do you like being pale?
I don't even really have a tan.
I'm Italian, though, so I cut it.
Exactly.
Do you like to say Leona Sun?
Do you like the beach?
I like my vitamin D.
I like my vitamin D. Texas might not be for you, Jay.
I don't know.
Gonna have to feel it out.
Either way, I will be leaving the bad dystopian novel that is New York City.
And either Texas or Florida will be a vast improvement.
Let me ask you one question about New York City before we go.
I ask this to a lot of New Yorkers because I don't know if you've heard.
They're moving down here in droves.
Oh, I've heard.
I say, you know, scale of one to 10, 10 being New York City at its full go system, energy.
Everything's amazing.
One being like just full lockdown, shutdown.
Where is New York City right now as of January of 2022?
It's at like a, it's, it's at like a four, but it's, it's, it's open, but, but people have left and everyone's walking around looking hypnotized like a Stafford wife.
Like that, that mass formation psychosis is real.
Go to, you know what?
You think it's made up?
Do me a favor, go to Manhattan for a weekend and then come tell me what you think.
I used to go every summer for a month.
And I'm saying this as someone who grew up in New York, who had great experiences in New York, who wants New York to come back, who loves the way New York used to be.
It was rebellious.
It was edgy.
It questioned authority.
It was cool.
It's none of those things.
They're hypnotized.
People are hypnotized.
And they are government loyalists at this point.
And they're living in fear, in horrible coupling fear.
How are they going to get out of this?
They're going to get out of it when the city sinks, goes underwater, and then they finally realize that the stuff they've been voting for is the reason that it sinks and they start voting differently.
If that doesn't happen, it's going to stay underwater.
Damn.
Jedediah, you're the bomb.
Stay in the middle of the day.
Thank you.
Listen, next time I come in here, I expect the money to be in the city.
