PBD Podcast | EP 114 | Special Guest: Nic McKinley
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PBD Podcast Episode 114. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Nic McKinley, Gerard Michaels, Tom Ellsworth and Adam Sosnick.
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Nic McKinley is the founder and Executive Director of DeliverFund, a nonprofit private intelligence organization. Connect with him on social media here: https://bit.ly/3uUth2M
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00:00 - Start
0:27 -First episode in the new studio!
10:12 - Bob Saget Has Died
19:10 - Would You Want To Know the Day You're Going To Die?
28:44 -Can You Have It All?
37:05 - What is the oldest business in the world?
43:35 - Breaking Down Ghislaine Maxwell's Trial
53:07 - Why Ghislaine Maxwell's Little Black Book Was Sealed Away
1:07:00 - Wayfair Conspiracy/OnlyFans Supports Human Trafficking
1:17:16 - Which Sex Trafficking Conspiracies Turn Out To Be True
1:28:58 - Why Don't We Fund The Government To Tackle Human Trafficking?
1:32:41 - Iran Vows To Attack The United States
1:40:39 - Is Russia Scared of the current administration?
1:56:48 - Holding Our Leaders Accountable
2:04:48 - Michelle Obama Says Americans Are Voting To Save Democracy
2:13:03 - Will School Closings Hurt Democrats Politically?
We are officially live, episode number 114 with special guest Nick McKinley.
By the way, aka Jack Ryan, which we'll get into if some of you guys don't know his story, the real Jack Ryan, the movie was made based on pretty much his life story.
But this is a special episode, guys.
Hell yeah, it is.
We're doing the first podcast episode out of a freaking bank vault.
Okay.
This is literally a bank vault.
How crazy is that?
You've been talking about this dream in this for how long, Pat?
Well, you know, first of all, the whole book, the Academy, right?
The fiction book, Academy, it's based on a vault.
And the painting Dead Mentors, if you want to, David, if you can pull up that painting that I had at the office, then I got at the house.
Just type in Dead Mentors.
Yeah, type in Dead Mentors.
Oh, Tyler's doing that, not David.
Okay, got it.
Go to images right there.
If you look at that painting, that is a vault.
Okay.
You see the vault around it.
Inside the vault is bookshelves.
And Shaw, Lincoln, Kennedy, Einstein, Milton Friedman, MLK, Senna, Tupac, myself, we're having a conversation together with a lot of different things.
And two books are sitting on that table.
One is Ayn Rand Atlas Schrutt.
And the other one is your favorite book, Communist Manifesto, that's sitting there.
That's Gerard's favorite book.
Gerard's favorite book.
You read that as nighttime story.
What's different about me than every other socialist in America is I've actually read the Communist Point.
Well played, sir.
How many socialists do you think I've actually read that?
I'm guessing very few.
They're so illiterate, it's hard for me to tell.
Oh, it's just poking.
So here we are in the vault.
You got the painting of the dead manners, four guys who got shot, four guys that didn't, and we're all here.
So the good news is everybody here is a lifetime.
We're going to be okay.
So there's that.
But the dude, if they had done a little bit of research on you, they could have pumped the price of this place up probably 2x, 3x if they had just known a little bit.
Well, you know the story about how we bought this building.
Do you know the story?
Let's hear the story.
Okay, so here's the story.
It was a coincidence and an accident.
I was here with you, and then there was another building that you had to go with.
So we came and I made an offer on this building.
And the offer I made, the owner of the building, he only, his counteroffer, he came down like, you know, $25, $50,000.
I'm like, what is this all about?
So my realty crosses, Pat, don't get upset.
We can still counter.
I said, I'm out.
I'm done.
I'm not making a counteroffer.
And he says, no, no, let's make a counteroffer.
Something could happen.
I said, I am out.
I'm not making a counteroffer.
Anyways, long story short, I buy the other building off of federal.
We buy the building.
You've been to the federal building there as well.
It's a lot of buildout.
We bring all the people to help us build the place out.
And I hired this designer to show up.
And he shows up.
The best in town designer.
Everybody in the market knows who he is.
A beast of a designer.
He shows up.
Good-looking guy, well-spoken.
You know he knows what he's doing.
I said, so where are you based out of?
He says, my office headquarters is based out of Fort Lauderdale.
I said, no way.
Yeah, it's very cool.
I said, we're in Fort Lauderdale.
This is off of Dixie.
I said, we're in Dixie.
He gives the address.
I said, let me get this straight.
I made an offer on your building.
He says, you did make an offer on the building.
I said, why did you only come down as much as you did?
He said, well, I saw who you were.
I'm like, I don't know how to negotiate against this guy.
I said, I better come down, Laura.
I said, listen, you still want to do something?
I text him that night.
I said, is it a waste of my time if I make an offer on the building?
He said, it's not a waste of your time.
I made an offer, a cash offer, and we went back and forth within three or four days.
We figured it out.
We finalized it.
Nicest guy in the world, by the way.
Absolute stud of a guy he is.
And then we bought this building.
And the idea was to buy one building.
Accidentally, we bought two buildings.
The other building we bought simply for Gerard to go hang out there with his friends.
That's what Gerard's going to be doing.
He's going to have an underground thing going on very soon.
Stay tuned for it.
It's known as the Lumber Yard.
By the way, guys worked all night to build this up.
So shout out to Robert.
Shout out to me out to Jorge, who set up his stuff right next door, to Eric, to David, to everybody that worked on it.
Jorge and Robert, like, dude, Jorge is like, that dude is like construction catch up.
There is nothing he doesn't go well with.
I mean, he does audio.
He does it in English.
He does it in Spanish.
He's got beautiful long hair.
That dude's a beast.
He is a beast.
You're man crushing on Jorge.
I'm man crushing on him.
So I'm going to run.
What time did we get back here last night after the business planning work?
So we had the business planning workshop yesterday, which ended, I don't know what time it ended.
It's a 9.30 with this year.
We come here at 9.30.
We see this place.
I had to get COVID tested because I got a flight right afterward to Vegas with Tom.
And then we come today and we do this up.
But we come here last night.
This place was empty.
I was like, we're not having a podcast.
There's nothing here.
I don't know if it's going to get back.
I actually was giving Robert a little bit of shit.
I was like, we got a plan.
I left here at 9.
I was like, we got a plan B, right?
Like, we have a plan B. If this isn't ready, we're going to have a podcast.
He's like, yeah, yeah, we're going to go back to the old.
Bachelor.
We're going to have to go back to the back.
Go back there, bro.
With what equipment?
Yeah.
We're going to do picnic tables in the parking lot in the very Florida.
So put a button on this, Pat.
How does it feel?
This was your dream.
This is your vision.
It started with the vault, the picture, the everything.
Now here we are.
Yeah, the headquarters.
We're in the vault.
It's all come kind of.
I have one rule, man.
I have one rule.
Anything I do when I'm making money, we have to have fun making money.
Okay.
If we're running a business, whether it's insurance, whether it's this, whether it's media, whatever we're doing, fun has to be at the foundation of it.
You've got to have fun with the people that you're working with.
And how much more fun are you going to have than doing a freaking podcast in a bank vault?
Who the hell puts a podcast in a bank vault?
PBD.
Well, we got a podcast in a bank vault now.
So every time we invite guests, you know, the podcast isn't a bank vault, right?
What do you mean it's a bank vault?
This was a bank, okay?
This was the vault of Chase Bank.
And now it is a podcast.
It's pretty crazy to do that.
There's only one thing missing, and I want to task the value tainers listening right now.
We need the PBD podcast logo board that we have coming up.
So maybe they can, if you're out there in the PBD podcast world, if you have an idea for the PBD podcast logo, a new PBD podcast logo for the vault, submit it.
Maybe yours will be the one that gets chosen.
That's a good idea.
And then the other part is this shelf.
If you focus on the shelves, David, this shelf is built for the best gifts that are sent, unique gifts that are sent that fit here.
Don't send us a big thing because we can't fit it there.
The best ones are going to make it on this shelf.
If anybody wants to send anything out here to us, we got some room to put stuff on the shelf.
So anyways, having said that, can we get right into it?
Let's do it, baby.
Let's do it.
So let's go.
Nick McKinley, how you doing?
I'm doing excellent.
Thanks so much for having me here.
This is absolute honor to be the, I mean, first guest in the vault.
I will say that as a former CIA operative, this is not the first time I have been questioned in a vault.
So if you guys want me to give you some best practices, you know, I'll be happy.
Late on us.
I know some people that wouldn't mind learning some of the best practices.
By the way, we just had another CIA agent on here, Matt Zeller.
And Matt Zeller, I don't know if you know Matt Zeller.
Huge Trump fan.
Don't say that.
He makes me look like I love Trump.
Put it that way.
Huge Trump fan.
Yeah, no, Matt Zeller was on a month and a half ago.
Matt was, he had a video that went viral with Brian Williams when he called out the administration on the way they handled Afghanistan.
And if you see, you would know who he is.
You would know who he is.
Yeah, okay.
You know, he's got a completely different take on the on certain things that are taking place.
But we're glad to have you on.
We were in Montana trying to hook up together on Whitefish, the family, all this other stuff, but I'm glad we were able to do it here.
Guys, let me tell you what stories we got going on, bro.
We've got a lot of them, okay?
Probably the most important story that we have to cover.
This is the one you got a little bit emotional about.
I want to make sure everybody knows about this.
Playboy Mansion party poodle got addicted to cocaine.
He had a rough life.
Catastrophic.
We need to know what happened.
How does a dog get addicted to cocaine?
We'll find out.
Here's how that happened.
It starts with marijuana.
That's how it always starts.
That's the gateway, drug.
They're the poodle's parents.
That's what I want to do.
Top general, top Iranian general, revenge for Soleimani, death to happen within the U.S.
No one will forget what we do.
Okay.
I want to hear what you have to say about that.
I know you got some strong opinions on that.
Nearly twice as many military members died from suicide July through September than they did from coronavirus since pandemic start.
Michelle Obama's urgent message about this year's midterm election.
Some are saying she may be thinking about running for office 2023, but who knows if Biden doesn't run?
Democrats now fear school closing will hurt them politically.
Blinken, if Russia attacks Ukraine, NATO will reinforce the Baltic states and Poland.
AOC test positive for COVID after partying in Miami.
Were you there with the party with her?
Were you guys at the.
I'm being actually serious with you.
No, I did not see her there.
But someone said they feel bad for Omicron because they're stuck with AOC for the next 10 days.
I saw that.
It's up on my Instagram.
Taco Bell is selling a $10 monthly taco subscription.
Tom, I'm curious to know what you think about that.
Foreclosures soared to 94% from a year ago.
That's a big number, by the way.
Common Office Desk Police leaked into Chinese government, meaning they're leaking into Pennsylvania is among top human trafficking states in the country.
I want to hear what you have to say about that.
Jelaine Maxwell's sex trafficking trial.
I know you've been following that closely yourself.
FBI whistleblower blast delay after longtime CNN producer John Griffin child trafficking arrest.
Facebook parent company, Meta, largest ever lease in downtown Austin.
Is Facebook moving to Texas?
That'd be crazy if that were to take place.
In a bizarre rant, Alec Baldwin just compared the shooting of the cinematographer to January 6th and seemed to blame both on right-wing hate.
El Salvador promotes fitness to fight COVID.
And then obviously the issues that's going on with Novak Djokovic, which is all over the place.
But let's start off with Bob Saget, comedian, Full House star, dead at 65 years old at Orlando, Ritz Carlton, a hotel I've stayed at many times.
I grew up watching this guy with Full House.
I don't know about you guys, but we grew up.
Maybe even my English got better by watching Full House and Bob Sagett.
When that story came out, it was absolutely bizarre because wasn't he just on a podcast?
He was on Rogan podcast or something, I think a year ago.
Even Joe posted it on his Instagram about Bob Sagett.
Lib Quelli's podcast, also, believe it or not.
One of the better rappers to Lib Quali and Bob Sagitt.
And we were just, me and Caroline Miljavic were just at the Orlando improv, stayed at that hotel like three days before.
They're saying that there was no funny business.
They found no drug.
He was a healthy 65-year-old guy.
I don't know what he had going on.
You're not going to get me down this.
You're not going to get me down this time.
You love conspiracy theories, so go somewhere with Texas.
What are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
I'd love to know what type of medicine he took.
Right.
But that is the story that's going around.
So there are people that are speculating because anytime something like this happened at 65, you know, what was it?
Was there something else that I was doing?
He had just performed that night.
You know, that's crazy.
I will say this, though.
When I was younger, 65 was like, well, he was 65.
Now, like, 65 seems so young.
Like, if anybody dies under 80, it's like, to me, a shock.
That's why Social Security started at 62 because you only are expected to make it to 65, and it wasn't supposed to be a lifelong payout plan because you were supposed to be just basically like, all right, enjoy your rocking chair for three years, boom, you're dead.
Now people are living in 85, 95, no problem.
Isn't that one of the weird things, though?
We think about like society is crumbling around us at all times.
And it's like, man, a guy died at 65.
And it's like, man, we're doing pretty good here as a people, right?
Like within a 30-year span, we've, you know, 33% of our lifespan, our life expectancy, and everybody's like, the sky's falling all the time.
Look, I don't want to, you know, enter any conspiracy.
What do you think actually happened with Bob Sagett here?
I think you have to wait and see because, you know, there's always a lot of people.
They said that the autopsy is going to be weeks and weeks and weeks.
You don't want to hear it?
You just ask me?
Go ahead, BizDog.
You're 65.
Tell us what it's like.
What it is you're talking about.
Oh, I got your 65 right here.
With this thing right here.
No, you know, about, was it six, seven months ago, there was a very prominent African-American actor that passed away in New York.
And then for a whole week, it was very, very sad, and there was speculation.
And then it turns out in the autopsy, he had had a relapse.
He started using it again, and he had cardiopulmonary paralysis, basically caused himself a heart attack.
And it was very, very tragic.
A lot of his friends said, you know, we thought he had gotten through this and everything, but apparently, remember that?
Who was the actor?
I don't remember the name.
You're talking about Chadwick Boseman or not?
No, Chadwick Boseman.
That was cancer.
That was cancer.
No, this is something else.
And so right now what you've got.
You're talking about the guy from The Wire.
Ah, yes, yes.
Omar.
What's his name?
Michael Omar.
Seemingly nice guy in all of his interviews.
Very, very gifted character actor.
Very, very, very fun to watch.
And there was this calm, right?
And then we found out.
And I just hope, you know, that this isn't one of those things.
I don't hope that Sagitt had a heart attack, but I hope it's like natural causes or something.
And I would really be bummed out if it's yet another person.
Pat someone using.
I want to know what he knew about, you know, what information he knew that would lead to the arrest of Hillary Clinton.
I mean, that's really.
That's where you're going with this?
Unbelievable.
Pat, you came to the United States 1992?
1990, November 2010.
1990.
I think I saw Sagittarius.
This was a t-shirt.
Oswald acted alone.
That's right.
This was the height of Full House, early 90s.
You must have watched Full House, Saved by the Bell, these types of shows.
You probably literally learned English watching the Tanner family.
He's probably one of my English teachers.
Bob Sagat's one of my English teachers.
He gave you the 1.8 GPA.
Congratulations.
So tell us what comes to mind when you think of Bob Sagett.
Look, I don't know the man, so I can't give my opinions on it.
But I just, when I study somebody in an interview and you hear how they're talking and who they are, the stories, you know, he was a guy that liked women, partied, all this stuff.
Like, you hear a lot of stories about him being a party guy.
But he had settled down.
He was in more of a serious relationship.
But this is a guy that, to us, you watch this guy on TV.
So when you see something like this taking place, it's tragic.
I'm sure the family's furious right now, devastated right now.
They're going through tough times.
Just wanted to give our condolences to the Sagittar family.
And obviously the stories, whatever's going to come out, we'll wait for it.
Let me ask G. He's a comedian.
You're a comedian.
I did comedy for a long time.
As a comedian, how do you process this?
You know what's weird?
Because he performed that night.
Yeah, no.
You know, the one that hit me hardest was when Greg Giraldo.
That's my favorite comedy of all time.
When Greg Giraldo died in Jersey at the Stress Factory, the club where I was full-on drugs.
Yeah, he always was, but like, you know, he was so good for so long.
Like, nobody really knew about him.
Greg Giraldo?
Great Robinson.
Pull him up.
You'll know him like the Roastmaster general.
You know, the thing with Bob Sagitt, man, is that he lives on forever.
Like, the weird thing that we're all doing in this industry is we're chasing immortality.
Why do we not go after money?
Everything's legacy.
You know, he's going to live on forever in reruns.
He's going to live on.
One of the things I don't like is how the internet and the internet's the internet.
It is what it is.
You know, people are calling him a pedo.
They're calling him all these other things because of some of the raunchy jokes that he made.
And, you know, he was a very, very, very blue comic.
For people that don't, he was not Danny Tanner.
That was an act.
That was an act.
He was not Danny Tanner.
And he was also on America's funniest home videos.
Yeah, yeah.
But he was really the guy who did the aristocrats joke.
And that was his life.
That's the living room persona.
But his comedy was way too.
Hell yeah.
And, you know, but he lives on.
I mean, basically, Bojack Horseman is an entire series based on him.
I mean, satirizing him, you know?
And I mean, you know, really what it comes down to is like, look at how culturally relevant that pop comedy was.
Like, Atlantis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill, one of the greatest-selling albums of all time.
Do you know who the breakup was that caused all those?
Yeah, it was Danny.
It was David Kooje.
Cut it out.
Exactly.
Cut it out guys.
The horniest guy on TV responsible for Atlantis.
She's crying and everything about DJ.
So, I mean, Bob Sagett, look, also, guys, I mean, Betty White, Bob Sagett, here's the other side of it.
Everybody listening to this, like, we're getting older.
Yeah.
This is kind of like Brendan Shaw when we had him on.
It was a cold comment that he had, but it was the right comment.
We were like, you know, David cuts in and goes, guys, Betty White died.
And all of us are like, oh, that's breaking news.
Yeah.
89 years old.
He's like, yeah, that's what 99-year-olds do.
I'm like, damn, dude, Joe.
I'll tell you one quick Bob Sagett story, and then I'm sure we want to move on.
So I've met some pretty, you know, known people, especially in my time in LA when I was doing the whole Kardashian thing.
And I'm sitting at a restaurant like this, and in the booth behind me, I'm with my boys.
And I turn around.
I'm like, holy shit, it's Bob Sagett.
And he's sitting there with John Mayer, the two of them.
And they're going over jokes because John Mayer, talented musician, was trying to break through into comedy.
I'm sure you've known him.
He was doing that with Chappelle.
With Chappelle, exactly.
So, and I'm thinking, fucking Bob Sagett is coaching up John Mayer over here about stand-up comedy.
I'm like, this is pretty freaking cool.
And I was like, hey, guys, can I tell you?
No, they're just like that's where it ends.
Okay, rest in peace.
Bob Sagittarius story was way too hard.
They say to never meet your heroes.
Yeah, it's you know.
You're going to be all right.
Sorry, guys.
I didn't go down the, I got pedophiled by Bob Sagitt's story.
Pat just pulled the Apollo with the hook.
He just pulled the two were expecting a big story to come up with.
I'm just saying it was cool.
Pat gave me the cut it out thing, and I gotta go.
You're gonna be all right, buddy.
That's gonna be a good thing.
By next episode, Pat Gaming the Button is gonna start playing the Oscars music, rap and that's my one bad Bob Sagett story.
John Mayer.
You know what Pat just did?
No, guys, I'm out of here.
You know, America's got this big fascination with celebrity deaths.
America has this huge fascination, tabloid fascination.
Tom, like death in general, bro.
Yes.
Like Discovery ID, murder docs.
I mean, you got it.
You got it.
But anyway, the point is, I remember way back when, you know, E.T. was covering, and I mean the show, not the little guy, the death of Farrah Fawcett.
America's sweetheart, one of the first pinups and everything.
Farah Fawcett has passed away today.
And what Pat just did is what happened at 3 o'clock Pacific time that day.
And Farrah Fawcett, loved by all.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Michael Jackson has been rushed to the hospital.
So everybody forgets that Farrah Fawcett died in the morning, Michael Jackson died in the afternoon, and all the E.T. stuff.
They literally stopped mid-sentence.
So Pat was just right here.
All right, done.
Here's the hook.
By the way, crazy question since we're talking about this thing and the way you brought it up here, like what Brandon Schop said, 99 years old.
You've been asked this question before.
I'm just curious to know what your answer is going to be.
Would you want to know the day you're going to die or no?
No.
Absolutely.
You would.
Absolutely.
You would want to know.
100%.
I've got the psychic for $2,000.
You'll tell you.
You know why I got the hitman for $2,000.
You said absolutely not.
Why not?
Absolutely not.
Why not?
This is a CIA operative.
Let's hear your response to this.
Yeah.
So.
And by the way, everybody listened to this.
I'm curious.
Comment as well.
Would you want to know the day you're going to die?
Go ahead.
It would change every decision that you would make if you knew.
You would make sacrifices that you wouldn't otherwise make, and you would no longer be playing the long game because you would now be in a zero-sum game.
So, you know, I mean, the perspective.
Yeah, the most successful people that I know, you talk about this on your podcasts and in your social media a lot, right?
I mean, you've got to play the long game.
You're playing chess, not checkers.
And if you knew the day that you were going to die, I mean, we're not even talking the minute.
You just knew the day you were going to die.
You just entered a checkers game.
And at that point, like, why plan beyond that point?
Right?
Why do you say that's a checkers game, knowing the day you're going to die?
Because you're no longer by not knowing.
So I think Elon Musk said that if you give yourself 30 days to clean your house, it'll take 30 days.
If you give yourself three hours, it'll take three hours.
You don't know if you're going to get hit by a car this afternoon.
And so you play the game.
Most people, I think most successful people play the game as if they are going to get hit by a car this afternoon.
So you try to pack in as much as they can, as much life, as much value as they can in a short period of time as they can.
And that leads to somebody like Elon Musk creating freaking car companies that outperform GM and trying to colonize Mars simultaneously, right?
I'm trying to fight human trafficking and fraud simultaneously.
If I knew that I had another 70 years, I would probably slow down.
Is that a good thing?
Nick, I disagree with you completely.
100%.
I think that you're a high-functioning individual and you're making a classic mistake.
A lot of people would disagree with that.
Other people are high-functioning.
I've seen people in my life, in my family, wake up every day, sit in traffic they don't want to sit in to go to a job that they don't want to do because they need to accumulate wealth for a life that they don't really live.
So if they knew that they had eight years left, do you think they're sitting in an hour and a half traffic going through the Lincoln Tunnel to go work a job that they don't want to do?
Or do you think that they're finally getting their ass out, going to Europe, seeing what they want to see, doing what they want to do?
You know, we get caught up in an accumulation game, but you never, nobody here has ever seen a tombstone with a net worth on it.
So if you knew your days were numbered, you'd start checking things off the bucket list immediately.
I can offer some interesting perspective on that because so my career started right straight in the military, straight into special ops, lost my two best friends six months after we graduated PJ school.
Like, I didn't think I would make it to 25.
And I made it to 25 and I was like, well, there's no way I'm going to make it to 30 because none of my friends did.
Then I made it to 30 and then I was like, well, 40, like there's no possible way that's going to happen because none of my friends did.
Because you were the cocaine poodle.
Yeah, pretty much.
Are you 40 yet or not?
Yeah, I'm 43 now.
Okay.
And so, you know, so then I was like, all right, you know, late 30s, got married.
I've got two toddlers now, right?
I mean, so I guess just kind of playing a, I guess we would say a pretty fast and loose game in combat and doing some really dangerous stuff in my teens and 20s.
I mean, you can make an argument that most special operators are like, are borderline suicidal with the stuff that we do.
And I had to come to terms with my own death pretty darn fast.
There's a certain amount of freedom in that, though, isn't there?
There's nothing but freedom in that.
Okay, explain that to me because you're 21, you're thinking I'm not making it to 25.
You're 25, you're thinking I'm not making it to 30, 34.
Pat talks about 20-year runs, right?
First 20 years, don't do anything stupid.
Next 20 years, make your money.
You know, the 20 years after that, work on what you want to be doing, right?
And then your last 45 to 20 years, give back.
Did I summarize that okay?
But you, you thought you'd be dead by 25, 30.
What the hell is that mindset?
Walk me through why that's freedom and liberating.
It's liberating depending on what your currency is, right?
So everybody's got a different currency, right?
My currency is impact.
Like I am going to reduce human trafficking globally by 80% by the time I die.
I'm going to drive a billion dollars into the fight against human trafficking by 2040.
I got 18 years left on that.
But that's the impact that I'm having now.
The impact I was having then, you know, over my time in Pararescue, you know, there's 27 people that got to go home to their, that got to go home to their families because of the impact that I had in that time.
So it all depends, I think, of what your currency is.
If the currency is, well, I just, I'm going to sit in this traffic because I want to make sure that my kids can go to college and I want to pay for it.
Which is come on to say, it's 100% noble and dutiful to do that.
Absolutely.
But I think there's a difference between a culture of accumulation, which I fully agree that we are eyeballs deep in a culture of accumulation.
There's a difference between that and then also having a culture outside of self where you're thinking about your kids and that's why you're willing to sit in that traffic.
So I think it all depends on are you willing to sit in the traffic just because you're trying to get the get the thing for yourself or are you sitting in the traffic because you're trying to, you know, you're trying to lift your family up generationally.
And I think we have so many, you look at the immigrant community in this country.
You have so many immigrants who come to this country and fathers and mothers who will kill themselves with work so that their children can go to college and live the American dream.
So I think it all depends on the reason why I think what you said made so much sense that it has to do with currency.
There's two things that Gerard, that you contradicted yourself.
And I want to kind of highlight this because of what you made one very good point when you said sagits, legacy is going to live on, right?
So the currency of that is what?
Legacy is going to live on, which means we want to figure out a way to live forever, right?
If you got eight years to live, you're going to probably sit there and go through all the stuff you want to do.
You know, I'm going to go see this.
I'm going to go party here.
I want to try this.
I want to try that.
I want you.
And they're like, dude, this shit is boring as hell.
What the hell is this all about?
Then you're going to say, what am I going to do for me to put a, you know, leave a legacy behind?
The famous Jewish proverb, I don't know if it's a proverb or a saying, is there's three things every man should do.
You know, the one is plant a tree, second one is have a son, third one is write a book.
Each one of those things is about what?
Something outliving you, right?
Like you want something to outlive you.
I don't know.
I don't know if I'd want to know when I'm dying.
I don't know if I'd want to know if I'm dying.
Would you want to know when you're dying, Tom?
Would you want to know the day you're dying?
I'm comfortable every day.
I'm comfortable every day with this.
It comes from my faith, which is really, really bingo.
And so I believe that God's numbered my days, and I'm just not here to be foolish with them.
I don't walk in front of trucks and say, I wonder if today's my day and God's going to mysteriously, Holy Spirit's going to sweep me away from the front of that truck.
No, my faith is also based on impact.
That's why at the end of all my case studies, they say, my name is Tom Ellsworth, the business, and I hope I left you better than I found you.
I just, that's my impact.
I want to teach and lead people better than I found them.
And so with my faith, I'm very, very comfortable with it.
I came face to face with that a little bit, you know, this summer, you know, with COVID, wondering why I was one of the 1% that Delta hurt that I'm sitting there in ICU and I got Delta and I don't have diabetes and I'm my, you know, all the, all the other markers, I have no comorbidities.
I'm not heavy.
I mean, all the things were there.
I'm like, okay, Lord, is this the way it's going to be?
And okay.
And I sent a lot of emails to a lot of people and did a lot of thinking that day.
And I also think about what you're asking, that's me.
But I'm going to say, let's look at a real life example.
You remember Randy Pausch, who was the professor at Carnegie Mellon University, and Last Lectures.
When you know, it's an amazing thing, Pat.
When you know, most people turn to impact.
When Randy knew, he knew his cancer was stage three, he said, look, this is the way it's going to go.
So he said, I'm going to use as much of my time as I'm physically able to teach and to talk.
And he did this whole series called Last Lectures, which is tremendous.
And it was captured also a little bit in the book Tuesdays with Maury.
Yeah.
Mitch Album.
Correct.
Great book.
Great book.
Yeah.
So I think when people face it, they usually turn to impact and they don't turn to partying and seeing all the places on earth because at the end of the day, that's kind of meaningless.
That I see everything.
Tom, do you think, you know the saying, the question about, you know, can you have it all?
Do you think you can have it all?
Like, if you were to say, give a name of somebody right now in media that you see that this guy's got it all.
He's got, he's having the time of his life.
He's making money.
That's what's fluent.
A wife, twenty kids, legacy.
Okay, so let's just say Dwayne Johnson has it all, right?
Who else would you say somebody that you see saying this guy's got it all?
You're talking specifically media.
You can say business.
You can say Hollywood.
You can say it's a business.
I'm going to throw some words out there that's not going to be a lot of fun.
I think most people would say Elon Musk has it all.
He's able to build whatever businesses he wants.
He's had the capital to do it.
It appears like he's having a good time.
I think LeBron has it all.
I do.
He seems so insecure for somebody that has it all, man.
I think he's pretty secure.
That's the thing there.
Michael Jordan, McConaughey.
McConaughey.
You know what?
That's a good one right there.
McConaughey's married to a beautiful wife, got kids, made it in Hollywood, is thinking about politics, is well read, wrote a book that became a New York Time bestseller.
I think a story like that, because, you know, I talk to a lot of people, and here's what they'll say.
They'll say things like, well, you know, you got to give.
You know, you can't have it all.
You can't do this and you can't do that.
And there's no way in the world you can have money and you can have success and you can have friendship and you can have fun and you can have this.
What I've found from people that say stuff like that, that's an alibi to not have to give your best.
That's been my experience having heard people who take that position is I need an alibi to not, because what is the most annoying thing about being married?
Tell me what's the most annoying thing about being married.
What's the most annoying thing about being married?
You can say that.
My wife is watching this.
Easy, go easy.
How many years of the CIA before you see it?
You three are married.
I don't think Gerard and I can answer that.
Let me ask you.
Let me ask you.
When I was briefly married.
What's the most annoying thing about being married?
What's the most annoying thing?
My response is not going to be as mature as your response.
Well, then give it to me.
Go ahead.
She wouldn't let me go out and party with like...
Okay.
It's like, well, anyway, by the way, that is one of the annoying things.
But just let me go do my thing.
Yeah, let me do it.
I got to tell you, you know, I've never been married, but my ex was about as close as a guy.
Like, you don't marry her.
You marry the whole family.
That's true.
That's so awful.
By the way, absolutely.
Very good point.
Because when you do marry your sister, it was the worst human being.
I don't even know if her sister is.
Gerard, look at that camera right now.
Talk to that stupid one.
What is the most annoying thing?
She's like a human.
It's like they took ashtrays.
They took the ashes from a cigarette tray and somehow animated into a human being.
This is soulless, decrepit human being.
Your sister is.
Oh, my God.
What if you're not still hung up on it?
That's good.
So when you think about single guys that want to get married, what's the biggest thing that happens a week before a guy's going to get married?
What do you hear about it?
Go to your bachelor party or something?
No, no, but you hear about guys having anxiety attacks, guys having like panic attacks, going to their buddies, I would just do it.
I don't know if this is this it.
I don't know if I'm ready.
You know, like the whole runaway bride.
There's a lot of runaway grooms, you know, runaway.
You know, I don't want to out you guys here.
I mean, but, you know, like one woman for the rest of your life is a tough.
That's a, that's a tough.
Betting you're in, betting half of your salary against betting half of your entire wealth against uh Gerard just went Vegas.
Okay, so it's odd.
I don't know what to say.
I don't think the word against your hormones.
Hang on, guys, David, the voice of God has got something to say.
Tell us, David, what's the reason?
That's what single guys say, what Gerard just said.
What's up?
It's what single guys say.
Yeah.
Give her half of your wealth.
It's about spending the rest of your life with the person you love.
With that voice.
With that voice, David.
No, but you know what it is?
Here's what it is.
Okay, here's what it is.
Just think about it.
Number one, it's the R word.
What is the R word?
Maybe one of the most responsibility sucks.
It's annoying, right?
I don't want it.
It's the A word.
What's the A word?
Accountability sucks.
It's the C word.
What's the C word?
We can't say that.
Commitment.
Commitment sucks.
Okay, so those three things.
Is there a D word?
You know, she didn't hear it from me.
Exactly.
So is that there an F word that only happens once a month?
What is the deal?
But the point is.
The point is.
You got those three things.
Responsibility, accountability, commitment.
Those three things are annoying.
Anything big you ever do in your life requires all those three things.
And it sucks.
It doesn't matter what you're doing.
You want to be in shape.
You want to work out.
You want to win the championship.
You want to get your Super Bowl ring.
You want to be a millionaire.
You want to be a billionaire.
You want to make it on the list.
You want to build a big church.
You want to be, you know, 80% human trafficking, raising a billion dollars the next 20 years and doing what you're doing.
Any of that stuff requires required.
You have to be responsible to your diet if you want to be in shape.
You have to be accountable to a trainer.
You have to be committed to show up at 6 o'clock.
It absolutely sucks.
But on the other end of it, holy freaking moly.
On the other end of it is that visual of you're at a school, kid is graduating, you see your son, your daughter, and you have that moment together on all the things you overcame.
Those things are priceless.
That's what makes relationships unique.
That's what makes marriage unique.
That's what makes friendships, relationships.
There's something about it.
So those three most annoying words in the world, responsibility, accountability, and commitment.
I will say, all of the most successful men I know in life, in business, in sports, all dutifully married.
Dutifully married.
Well, here's my question.
Would you get married if there were no kids involved?
Would you just be a married couple, no kids?
So I'll be.
Hypothetical question.
So listen, I listened.
We were talking about this the other night at the house, right?
We were up till God knows what time that night.
We were strategizing.
Phenomenal session that day we had.
We had nice cigars.
We had nice drinks.
We had everything except we didn't have cutters and lighters, which is, I don't know how you get cigars without cutters and lighters, but it is what it is.
One of the podcasts I was listening to, weirdest podcast I listened to, but it was absolutely, I couldn't stop listening to it.
Okay.
The podcast had four people there.
One guy who's single, who doesn't believe in God, doesn't go to church, atheist who thinks you need to be promiscuous.
And he's left and right going out there and hooking up.
He says, that's what you need to do.
Swipe right every day.
Why not?
Get it out of your system.
The second one is a newlywed, a newlywed who doesn't want to have kids.
And all they want to do is the rest of their lives.
They just want to be together.
They don't want to have kids, right?
Makes no sense.
Another one is in their 40s, they have kids.
Kids are, you know, high school, about to go to college, and they're going through struggles.
And another couple that was there was a Christian pastor that was married.
They're in their 60s and they're going through all this stuff.
So the young guy's talking about sex, all this stuff.
The middle husband and wife are talking about, well, we got to get our connection to be better in this area and that area.
Everybody's telling their issues, right?
And then a 60-something-year-old says, look, when I was younger, I didn't think, I thought marriage was just about kids.
I thought marriage was just about this.
He says, wait till you're married, and then your wife has to have a surgery that you can't have sex for six months.
Your marriage will be tested.
And that's what happened to us.
And I had the biggest fights with my wife and this and this and that.
And it was the worst thing.
But you know what happened two years later?
Two years later, I couldn't get it up.
He's saying this on the podcast.
He says, now try facing your wife, and every time you're in the bedroom, you're like, oh, you know, I drank too much, or I'm sorry, it was a bad day.
You know, I didn't have enough pineapple.
Whatever excuses you're going to make, you're like, oh, you know, you try to change the subject.
You want to go to dinner ticket?
It's awkward.
And he's telling this story.
And he says, but as you get older, you're going to realize companionship is very important.
Once kids are gone, everybody else is gone.
The last thing you're going to fear is in your 60s, 70s is being by yourself in a house.
And if you can get a 28-year-old come to your house, you can get a 32-year-old come to your house.
But what is the depth of that relationship?
Yesterday we talked about how do you measure a successful marriage and business?
How do you measure a successful marriage and business?
What is it?
Is it how many employees you got?
Is it how much money you make?
And the way you measure a successful business or marriage is what?
Depth and duration.
How many of you guys know people that have been married for 50 years and are miserable?
I know a lot of people.
We talked about one of the people you know that are married and not happy together, right?
And the other one is depth.
You see depth, you see a business.
We've been around for 100 years, but we only make 100 grand a year.
Oh, we've been around for 100 years, but we have 17,000 employees and we have a legacy of this, this, this, that, right?
So to me, there's a little bit of both.
Yeah, this is.
It's like the Max Apollo thing.
By the way, go deep.
Like, that's basically his thing.
By the way, crazy question here.
Crazy question.
You can't answer this.
You can't answer this.
I'm curious to know what Nick, you, and Gerard will say.
Can you say what is the oldest surviving business in the world?
What country it's based out of?
Oldest business in the world.
David, Tyler, I want you to pull it up once I'm done asking them.
Let them answer it.
Forget about the name of it.
What country is it from?
Oldest business.
Let us know in the comments what you think.
Oldest business in the world.
Continually operating?
Yeah, continually operating has never gone out of business.
Same company.
In the world.
Yeah.
No one bought them out.
They're independent.
They're still around growing, doing good things.
Where is it based out of?
I'm so curious to know what you're going to say.
The Vatican.
Okay.
What would you say?
By the way, that's a good guess.
Very good guess.
Yeah, very good guess.
It's a great guess.
I was actually going to say it's got to be something in the Iraqi, you know, era.
I think in Mesopotamia.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So you're going Middle East.
Tyler, do you know?
Sure.
Do you have a guess?
What?
I said Middle East.
Okay, now here's the second question.
How many years do you think it is?
Got to be over a thousand.
Would you say over a thousand?
Gerard, would you say also over a thousand?
Well, unless we're talking like modern businesses, like the Dutch East India Company was like, it's 250 years old, 260 years old.
I don't know.
Yeah, if it's the Vatican, if that's also an unfortunate 2000.
So we're doing research for this whole course that we just put together, right?
Because we're trying to find out the depth and duration.
The oldest business in the world, if you want to pull it up, the oldest business in the world is in Japan.
It's been around for 1,460 years old.
60 years.
1,460.
Wow.
They interviewed the CEO of this company.
Okay.
They interviewed the CEO of this company.
The company is called Conga.
I think there's a unique name to it.
What is the name of it?
If you go to it, it's Japan.
Go a little closer.
Can you do Control Plus?
Oh, only fans.
That makes sense.
Congo Gumi.
Conga Gumi.
That's been around for 1,464 years.
What do they do?
Yeah, so if you open it up, it'll explain what the business is.
But here's the key.
They asked the president and the CEO, what is the key to success with your company?
You know what he said?
Don't drink too much.
Really?
And they said, what do you mean, don't drink too much?
It's not don't drink too much like alcohol.
It's don't drink too much of your success.
Don't drink too much of your own ego.
Don't drink too much of, you know, I'm so important.
don't drink too much of this.
Don't drink the Kool-Aid, basically.
Don't drink the Kool-Aid.
That's the whole culture's moderation.
That's the part.
Our whole culture.
And by the way, the whole story is based on Toyota.
When Toyota came out, started whooping on Ford and GM and everybody in the U.S. Kaisen.
You got it.
And there was a book written called Toyota's Way.
American automakers send their executives to Japan, and they found that Japan's short-term business plan is 20 years.
A short-term business plan they write is 20 years.
America's short-term business plan is 30 days.
It's like, hey, we're running into a major political issue with that right now.
I mean, the autocrats across the world have realized, man, we just have to wait these guys out.
Our foreign policy changes every two years.
China's got the same foreign policy for 50.
You know what I mean?
Like, how do you compete in that?
It's one of the powerful things Matt Zeller said, by the way.
He says, we can wait.
Do you remember that?
You're saying that Afghanistan.
He's saying Afghanistan.
He says, what we have that you guys don't have is time.
We'll wait it out.
We'll wait on it.
If you have all the watches, we have all the time.
Crazy line.
Okay.
Crazy.
There's a lot of philosophy going on here at Company.
To your point about China, you know, look at our politics these days.
There's so much freaking gridlock in Washington.
That'd be great.
There's so much gridlock in Washington that, you know, every four years, there's a new plan, new game plan, new plan.
Look at China.
They're just like, we're going full steam ahead.
Do you know how many assignments a U.S. intelligence agent will get?
About one every four years.
You know how many a Chinese or a Russian intelligence agent get in their career?
One.
Wow.
Right?
Wow.
Right?
You get assigned to America.
You're a GRU agent.
You're in America.
30 years.
How true?
Putin said there is no such thing as a former KGB agent.
Yeah.
How true is it with the youth, too?
Like, I've read that they're starting to infiltrate as early as 15 years old.
They'll take like, I guess, a 20-year-old kid, say that they're 15, have them come over here.
Oh, yeah.
And they'll be in our school systems coming up through our system.
Absolutely.
And it'll be a 20-year plan to infiltrate some sort of C-suite.
And they've been a CCP operative the whole time.
Absolutely.
I mean, they play generational games, right?
We saw this with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
We've seen this.
I mean, we've seen this all over the world.
They play generational games, and we play very short games.
However, you've got to ask yourself, I mean, we definitely play the short game in America, yet we've built more value than any other country in history in a very short period of time.
Why is that?
So there's arguments to be made for playing that short game within a single lifetime, right?
Focusing on getting the gold watch and sitting on the beach, right?
I mean, look at how much we're doing.
But why is that, though?
Why do you think that is that America in only 240 years has beaten everybody else?
Why do you think that is?
Liberty.
Capitalism.
Yeah, I think it's the values and principles this country was founded on.
I think that's what it comes down to.
And I wouldn't even say capitalism.
I would say it's liberty.
Yes.
Because liberty is what gives you the, like, if you want to be a communist in America, like, you want to freaking join a commune in the middle of the mountains of Montana, go for it.
Our principles of liberty would allow you to do that.
Take it as far as you think you can take it.
You want to run a capitalist business?
Do that.
You want to run a non-profit?
Do that.
Right.
I mean, so I think it really comes down to liberty.
And then you take the liberty, the brilliance of our founding fathers within the federalist system where my governor, Gianforte, or your governor can say, federal government, I don't really like your rules, and we're not going to play by that rule because we are sovereign in our state here.
So you take liberty in the federalist system, and I think that's why.
I like it.
By the way, we talk about a lot of different things here.
Let's go ahead and transition to the next story because I want to get your insight on what's going on with Jelaine Maxwell.
So here we go.
Jelaine Maxwell found guilty in sex trafficking trial.
This is a Guardian story.
British former social Jelaine Maxwell was found guilty of sex trafficking in her Manhattan federal court trial late December.
Prosecutors said Maxwell preyed on vulnerable young girls, manipulated them, and served them up to be sexually abused by Epstein.
There were four accusers in this case: Jane, Kate, Caroline, who did not use their full names, and Ann Farmer, who did.
Jane testified that she was 14 years old in 1994 when Epstein started with sexually abuser, and that sometimes Maxwell was present during the abuse.
At times, Maxwell participated in the abuse.
There were hands everywhere, Jane recalled, of an encounter with Epstein and Maxwell.
The abuse continued when she was 15, 16, and Maxwell faced up to 65 years in prison.
Jelaine Maxwell's little black book to remain secret after Judge Warren's needles, name-dropping.
It's an needless name-drop.
And by the way, who has the black book?
Jelaine Maxwell's Little Black Book containing the names and addresses of nearly 2,000 world leaders, celebrities, and alleged victims will remain secret.
Maxwell's defense attorney came to an agreement with a prosecutor over the weekend not to release the 97-page directory to the public.
Judge Allison Nathan had previously said she wanted to avoid needless name-dropping during the trial.
The book was filled with contact details of Miss Maxwell and Epstein's famous friends, including Prince Andrew, former U.S. President Bill Clinton and Trump, and had been mentioned sporadically during her sex trafficking trial.
So I'm sure you being in this world, you've been following the story.
What do you know about what's going on here?
All right, I'm going to try to make this, I'm going to try to make this fast, but this is very, very nuanced.
So as an example, the black book being sealed, right?
Well, that happened back in December, early December.
The black book is no longer sealed.
It was only sealed in the courtroom because the judge didn't want the jury getting distracted with a bunch of super famous names.
That was really what it came down to.
We've actually made this very easy for everybody.
You can go to maxwelltrial.deliverfund.org, and we have posted links to the little black book, which was leaked by Gawker back in 2015.
You can see it there.
You can see the flight logs.
You can see all the evidence that was entered into court.
And the reason we did that was to kind of get rid of some of the conspiracy theories.
Now, the little black book, what is it?
The DOJ has it.
It was stolen by the butler, I believe it was, who was essentially using it as an insurance policy.
The DOJ got their hands on it because the butler tried to then sell it to an undercover FBI agent.
He ended up getting some consequences for that.
But the black book was an address book.
It's no different than the address book in your phone, right?
I mean, Patrick, you've got everybody from CIA people to mobsters in your phone, right?
I mean, it's.
Prior to your phone, everyone had a little black book, right?
It was called a Rolodex.
Yeah, or you had your palm pilot before that.
Or, you know, depending on where you are in the technology adoption story, it was just an address book.
So there's all kinds of people in there who some of them were up to some, were up to no good.
And some of them were doing some pretty terrible things.
And some of them were, you know, the freaking handyman who affects the hot water here.
Right.
I mean, so it's the, we get focused on the little black book.
So it's not a ledger.
It's not like a this person thing.
It's not like the Heidi Flice sex book, right?
No, go to maxwelltrial.deliverfund.org and you and click on the link that says little black book.
But it is pretty interesting what famous names might be in that book.
Well, yeah.
Like, yeah, the plumber, okay, the handyman, your friend.
But like, that's the thing.
Prince Andrew's in the book?
That's the conversation, right?
But Prince Andrew's in the book.
Clinton, Donald Trump, whatever.
Alec Baldwin.
I mean, but what's really interesting, don't focus on the black book.
Focus on the flight logs.
Correct.
That's what you want to focus on.
Right.
And we posted a link to the flight logs as well.
You focus on the flight logs and who's on there, right?
And where they were going.
So, okay, we all know that Epstein Islands, right?
This is not Nick's opinion.
This is now like fact, your DOJ established fact that there was sex trafficking happening within the within the Epstein compound.
Not just compound, but within his ecosystem, right?
Because it was the London house.
It was, I mean, he had the New York Townhouse, right?
He had multiple locations within his ecosystem.
London house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, he has, he had, he had, I mean, it places really all over the world.
And so the question is, what was he doing?
What was the source of his funds?
Because tell me what his business was.
He was a financial advisor, wasn't he?
Was he?
Wasn't he?
Was he though?
I don't know.
He was a financier.
He did it.
He was an executive producer.
He was a financier of films and other projects.
Well, that's one of the things that they can't.
And I've read, I know where you're going with this.
The guy died being worth around $600 million to a billion dollars.
But nobody knows how he made his money.
Like the same financial advisor Nancy Pelosi does.
I mean, that's the question that needs to be asked, right?
And then where do you get that kind of power?
Well, it makes sense.
What don't we know?
So here's a question because everything you just said so far, I've followed all the stories so far on what you covered.
What don't we know that's important to know?
The flight log, yep, I agree.
We need to know what the flight log is on who went on there.
You know, all of that stuff I told you.
You're going to get right there.
You know, with folks that have, yeah, I've seen this.
But what I want to know is what do we need to find out next?
And the information that we need to find out, are we really going to find out?
Or, you know, the other day I saw Donald Trump Jr. post a picture saying, you know, Jelaine Maxwell, the day she was born, and then he said two weeks.
You know, like, she's not going to be here within the next two weeks.
Is she going to plead guilty the way that Epstein did?
That's right.
So what don't we know?
Who's hiding?
Does the government know what's going on?
Are they holding back what's going on?
Is there any of the, you hear the conspiracies about they're trying to hold back from people finding God?
Because a lot of people would go down.
What's really going on behind closed doors?
So just because it, so, all right.
Conspiracy theories.
Yeah, you bet there's some powerful people who are starting to sweat.
And to think that we have equal access to the legal system in this country is just not true because if you have money, you have more access to the legal system.
That's just the way that it works.
So anybody who has a lot of money who might potentially have something to be concerned about has the ability to get in front of that.
So let's not kid ourselves into thinking that they don't.
What is the DOJ going to do about that?
I don't know.
What we need and what we don't have, or at least what I have not seen publicly, the DOJ might have this, is we need a full financial audit back to the beginning of time of Epstein's accounts.
That's what we need.
Where did the money come from, right?
Because I think you're going to see a decent amount of outflow.
That's what I want to know.
I think most of your outflow is going to be jet fuel, right?
It's going to be rent.
It's going to be those types of things.
I think most of your inflow, that's what I'm interested in, is where did that money come from?
You make a great point.
And your point about power.
You were talking about power, and it's basically, were these nefarious sexual encounters really the equivalent of ex-Epstein making bones, as the mafia would say, on other people, and that became his labyrinth source of power.
Because it all goes like this, and so now he's got control.
And I agree with you.
It's like, where did the money come from?
What was the money actually used for, you know, really used for?
Because the obvious outflows are going to be, you know, service maintenance, jet fuel, all the things for all these locations.
Okay, well, what was going on?
Well, look at, I mean, right there, line nine on the on the flight log, right?
Bill Clinton plus four Secret Service, two males, one female, and then a bunch of initials.
G-M-S-K-A-P.
Yeah.
So, but, but there's your point.
Like, all right, so what, what was happening there?
But then go up to flight number 51 and Cindy Lauper.
Yeah, I couldn't.
Go down the next one, right?
So, like, and that's where I think we need to be.
No, no, you were on the go back on the same page you were at, line one.
That's where we need to be a little bit careful.
On the first page you were on.
Right there, about control zoom, 51 Cindy Lauper.
Yeah, Cindy Lauper, and then above that, Cindy Lopez, or maybe that was Cindy Lopez.
And what do they do?
They go back and they find the initials and they identify who that person likely is and they start questioning those people.
Is that how it works?
I don't know what the DOJ is doing just because just because your name is on here doesn't mean you committed a crime.
Right.
Right.
But it's a decent indicator that deserves some questions.
And my point here on all of this is there's some really good reasons why some of this stuff was sealed.
And I just talked about this on the Clear Hot podcast with Kara Smith.
The reason one of the victims is a very, very well-known Hollywood actress.
Very well-known.
I mean, if we were to say her name, Kara knows who she is.
We were to say her name, or if she was to have to show her face, everybody would know who she is.
Why can't you say her name?
Because right now, she is known.
One, it's not my place.
It's none of my business.
Two, she is a victim of a crime.
Sure.
And hold on.
She was raped as a child.
Jesus.
Right.
And one of the most prolific cases in history, definitely one that was covered by the media the most.
So right now she is known as a hardworking master of her craft.
Right.
If her name gets released publicly, she's now that girl who was raped by Epstein.
Which label do you want to wear for the rest of your life?
She's a big, big name today.
Big name.
So she's still active working right now.
Yes.
Okay.
And I respect you for not saying that.
And who knows who she is?
A number of people.
Okay.
A number of people who work in this space.
And this is what's really important for us to keep in mind.
We all want justice, right?
I mean, God built me for justice and to go after bad people.
That is why he made me and put me on this earth.
And so nobody wants his justice more than I do.
But it's not my justice to have.
It's the victim's justice.
And so every single, if any of those folks on that flight log committed a crime, it requires a victim per the Constitution because that person has a right to face their accuser, which is super important.
If that victim chooses not to have justice because they've moved on, right, maybe years and years of counseling, it might have taken them 20 years to get over that.
And then we're asking them to go into court and rip that open for us so we can have justice?
It's not ours to have.
And there's precedent that even though they're victims, it still has an adverse effect on their career.
You look at the actresses that were involved in the NX IVM thing.
Oh, yeah, the Nexium.
You know, they were branded and then, you know, that, none of them ever worked again.
Some of them became culpable in the cult-like atmosphere of it by recruiting after a while.
But they were, yeah, you know, listen, man.
I mean, one of the things, you know, being in entertainment that it's one of the scarier things about it, but this is like, I've met very, very few executive producers, anybody that was ever willing to do a project, especially an independent project, that didn't have, that didn't get their money from like some sort of nefarious me, you know?
And I got to be honest, I'm going to be 100%.
I'm going to be the only human being in America honest.
If I was asked 10 years ago by Jeffrey Epstein to come down to his island in the Mahamas and hang out with a bunch of supermodels and we'll talk about financing your movie, I'd have been on that flight lock.
100% chance I'd have been on that flight lock.
Now, I'd like to think that when I saw what was going on there, I wouldn't go back a second or a third or fourth time.
But when you're in that industry, there are so few people willing to green light your projects.
And you talk to people that you don't know how they came about their money.
Sure.
And then you have some guy who's willing to, and listen, there's going to be people in the comments right now talking about I'm a pedo or I'm whatever, and I'm not.
But I'm telling you right now, anybody that's ever been to a bachelor party, I believe you'd have gone to Epstein Island if you were invited.
Anybody that's ever been to a strip club would have gone to Epstein Island if they were invited.
If somebody's going to fly you down in their private jet to an island to hang out with women, it's pretty tempting, right?
So, I mean, this idea, you know, one of the things I don't like about the way that this is covered is how everybody's holier than now in the moment, but it's also like, dude, have you ever gone to a strip club and asked a CID when you were there?
I've never seen anybody.
There's a big difference, though.
There's a big difference between going to that island and intentionally having an interest of wanting to be with minors that he has on the island.
A thousand percent.
It's very important for you to differentiate.
A thousand percent.
So those are two different things.
So if you're going with intent, yeah, you have issues.
But if you're going saying, dude, I'm putting the sickest party together, come on by.
Exactly.
Yeah, that's a different conversation that you're talking about.
But again, we got to, there's an extra point.
I think that was like just kind of like his thing.
Like, I don't, like, Trump went with them.
Clinton went them.
Were those guys banging chicks on his island?
I'm willing to bet yes.
Do I think they were women, though?
Yes.
Like, I'm not saying, just because you want to go party and have a good time, like you bring the sugar example, doesn't mean you like 14-year-old girls.
I think that was just his weirdest thing.
It's very, very important to like differentiate that, especially because, and I'm only taking this from the Netflix documentary that I saw, which seemed very biased to begin with anyway.
They talked about Trump 90 times and Clinton once, right?
So, you know, the, you know, but the women were like, they were 17 and we were told to tell people that we were 22 and it's horrible what happened to these women.
I don't want to try to make it out like it's not.
But then I'm also, you know, I look at what's happening and, you know, Bad Baby turns 18 and makes a trillion dollars off of her OnlyFans the day she turns 18.
And everybody in the world, you know, we have some sort of weird kind of like fetetization with young women.
When I was growing up, Britney Spears was 16.
Oops, I did it again.
I mean, like, there's a weird fetetization with that almost jailbait kid, right?
And you don't, we're not conditioned to like ask them.
You go to this island.
Wouldn't it be like, I'd almost feel like, seriously, I would almost feel like it was disrespecting my friend Jeffrey to ask the girls, like, you're 21.
So I joined the army.
I joined the army.
Let me tell you what happened when I joined the army.
Joined the army, drove Sergeant Green, our unit, brings us in and says, you go party in this town.
Here's what's going to happen.
You're going to meet a lot of girls.
Girls are going to like guys in uniform.
Just know this.
But you're also a target.
And you have to know that girls lie when it comes down to their age.
You have to ID them.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
You have to ID them.
He says, you have to ID them before they come in to your place.
And by the way, how old are you at this time?
I'm 18.
He's 18.
I'm 18 years old.
Perfect track.
It's a skipper who knows.
It's a sophomore.
So we're sitting there.
One of our guys who had a house off base, we all lived on base.
So on base, you can't even do it because they can't even make it through the gate because the ID, everybody, when they come through the gate.
This is Antonio Brown.
This guy had a place off base.
So we go to the place, to his house, there's a bunch of people there.
Next thing you know, in the middle of it, one of the guys starts IDing everybody.
And one by one by one says, you got to leave.
You got to leave.
You got to leave.
If you can't show your ID.
This guy was like the responsible guy.
Everybody's got to get out of here.
So I think, again, there's a big difference with some people have the angle you took when you said, you know, oops, I did it again, 16 years old.
You know, we put it out there.
Who's that on?
Is that on the media?
Is that on you?
No, I'm not saying that.
Is that on marketing?
Is that once on the record control?
First of all, I want to be really clear.
What happened there is a travesty.
What happened on that island is a nightmare.
I'm just saying that when, to his point, Cindy Lauper gets on this list and everybody's like, well, Cindy Lauffer is a Pedo or Cindy Lawford is this or Cindy Lauper's that.
Cindy Lauffer might have been down there to talk about a project and now she's lumped in with all this stuff.
It's very, very important.
Basically what you're saying, G, just because I'm with you, 99% of the people on these flights were up to point things.
That's that's the 1%.
That's why we need the forensic accounting investigation because we don't know that.
Do you think my numbers are off?
No, I think it is.
What numbers do you think it is?
99%.
I'm thinking most people aren't molesting children.
That's what I'm guessing.
I think if you...
What's the number then?
I think if you hang out with skunks, you start to stink.
And I think that there's a certain amount of personal responsibility.
You have people in your life, right?
Business partners that you know are doing shady things.
And so you distance yourself from them, right?
You just, hey, sorry, I'm too busy.
Can't answer the phone, right?
I mean, you may not necessarily be turning them into the freaking IRS, but you're distancing yourself.
So you're assuming they knew that's what he was doing.
I think that over decades and decades, you start to be able to see what's going on with people.
Listen, here's what it comes down to.
It's very simple.
I mean, why don't you go investigate exactly where the money came from?
That's what you got to do.
Yeah.
The guy's not around anymore.
Go follow the money.
So the question then becomes the hesitancy of not wanting to follow the money.
That's deeply concerning.
Who's hesitant, though?
Who's doing it, though?
She's the first trial in history.
She's the first human trafficker that was convicted of trafficking to nobody.
There was nobody else that was convinced that.
She was the trafficker to Epstein.
So that's how they're saying it?
That he was the end.
Yeah, so 18 USC 1595 says that if you are essentially getting any type of economic value through defrauding, forcing, or coercing somebody else to do something, right, where you're the recipient of the economic value.
I mean, when you talked about human trafficking, people don't know what that means.
And let me give you a really easy way to think about what human trafficking is.
You perform labor.
You then get to keep the proceeds of your labor, right?
You get remuneration for the services and labor that you provide.
That you chose to do freely.
Right.
Well, yes, and the whole philosophical conversation around that.
But whether you're choosing to or not to, you are keeping the fruits of your labor.
Human trafficking is when you provide some type of labor or service and somebody else is getting to keep the economic value, right?
Now, the economic value does not have to necessarily mean cash, right?
We all know there's a whole lot of economic value to influence, right?
Pelosi.
There's a lot of economic value to narcotics, as an example, is part of the way that human trafficking will work in this country.
So if somebody's being forced, defrauded, or coerced into doing something for somebody else's economic benefit, you have human trafficking.
And it doesn't matter what that thing is, what the service is, what the labor is.
And that's really the point that we focus on here.
So we also got to keep in mind that we're saying, oh, well, the DOJ isn't doing things.
Like, okay, well, let's hold up a little bit, right?
It is very, very difficult to prosecute people in the United States of America.
And that's actually a good thing, right?
Because we have constitutional rights and the DOJ has, I believe, it's like 86% conviction rate.
Part of that's because they don't take risks.
Sure.
The other part of that is because they do their homework.
And so who's to say that the DOJ isn't currently doing that?
So Nick, hold on, before you move on.
I don't think that the vast majority of people don't think the DOJ is doing their job.
I think that the DOJ is influenced about who to do their job with and on.
Of course, this seems to be a prevailing issue with our elite class.
I mean, going back to Bohemian Grove for whatever reason.
I mean, I don't know if you believe in the adrenochrome myths and everything like that, but there seems to be so much smoke when it comes to our elite political class being involved in some sort of human trafficking, Wayfair, whatever.
We can get into all of the conspiracies.
But there's so much smoke that it's almost impossible for there to be fire.
And then when you're looking at what gets investigated and what doesn't, that's what people have the issues with.
So that's why we exist at DeliverFund.
So let me give you a good example.
We have a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, right?
You guys are sitting here in Florida.
Patrick probably has all three of those within reach, right?
Yeah, that should be a store, not an agency.
Right.
We have a drug enforcement agency.
We've been fighting a war on drugs for 30 years.
Drugs are winning.
How's that going?
90% of drugs are legal, right?
I have a friend who's an ophthalmologist.
He uses, or I'm sorry, an eye surgeon, and he uses cocaine to numb the retina of the eye before surgery, right?
I mean, it's a legal drug.
Yet we have an entire drug enforcement.
It's a cocaine cocaine to numb the retina of the eye.
Wow.
Pharmaceutical, not information.
Yeah, pharmaceutical.
Yeah, he's not getting it off the street corner.
Hey, Jenny, I got two glaucomas this morning.
Can you go down to the corner?
He uses it in the eye.
Yeah.
Most people use it in the nose.
Like, I've never done cocaine.
I just, you know, like the way it smells.
I heard from a friend.
Yeah, exactly.
But the point here is that the 13th Amendment makes 100% of slavery illegal.
And so we have this issue here where we start to look at, like, well, is this a conspiracy or is it just a breakdown of the system?
Is it just the fact that the constituency has not mandated that the politicians fund the fight against human trafficking?
Nick, does it have to be an or or can it be an end?
What do you mean?
Does it have to be a conspiracy or there's a breakdown in the system?
Or can it be that these elites are involved?
Definitely can be an end.
That's why there's a breakdown in the system.
Absolutely.
Definitely can be an end.
Well, he brought up the Wayfair thing and the adrenochrome thing.
What are your thoughts on that?
So Wayfair, not true.
Never happened.
Started in like a sub-threaded of a sub-thread of Reddit where most of the things of the world start.
How do you know it's not true, though?
Like, why give us some one, we trace it all the way back.
Two, it was a pricing algorithm issue, right?
Like as an example, my Coinbase account the other day said that my account was worth like $31 million.
Nice.
Right.
Hey, thanks a lot, Coinbase, for that.
But did it rename your account the name of a girl who went missing six months ago?
And how much was in your account for the record?
Not $31 million.
You must work from XYZ.
$31 million.
Okay.
The point is, yeah, so like...
You're saying Wayfair was fake, though.
Yeah.
Yeah, we actually placed orders.
Like, anytime there's one of these conspiracy theories, we actually will go through and actually go through the process.
So you usually plan a pizza and everything.
Yeah, let's figure out what's going on.
Wayfair child sex trafficking, fake.
Totally fake.
Adrenochrome.
Adrenochrome.
Totally fake.
Explain to Gerard.
Why?
I don't know.
I don't have a best idea.
First of all, adrenochrome 100% exists.
All right, now you two are free officials.
Explain this.
So when you drink it, what are the digestive juices in your stomach due to it?
I don't know.
I've never taken adrenaline.
Yeah, right, Gerard.
Obliterated every time you can never take adrenaline.
Yeah, right, bro.
Obliterated.
First of all, you're not supposed to drink.
You're supposed to drop it into your face.
Yeah, exactly.
Now you know.
It's guilty.
Explain this, please.
The answer is your stomach is one of the most caustic environments on earth, and it takes care of that stuff.
So if that joke turns to freeze, boom, Tom, not your stomach.
Drop the mic.
No, no.
The typical human stomach is one of the most caustic environments on earth, if you know anything about it.
What does cause?
And so anything that goes in your stomach gets broken down rather rapidly.
Here's what's happening with conspiracy theories.
Human trafficking in America, right?
Like on here, this is, you know, Pennsylvania is among the top human trafficking states in the country.
They all are.
Human trafficking is highly, highly transitory.
Highly transitory.
And because of COVID, a lot of human trafficking has actually shifted online.
Why do you think that there has been such an explosion of OnlyFans?
Right.
Human traffickers are putting their girls.
I mean, right?
It's a business to them.
They got to scale that business.
You have an unlimited, right?
Well, we'll ask the PhD in the room, what happens when you have an absolutely unlimited supply?
Because vulnerable people are the supply.
And you have a limited demand because, again, not everybody is trying to find young children to have sex with or even look at.
So you have a limited demand.
So unlimited supply with a limited demand, you've got a price that's pretty much bottomed out in the market.
And so human traffickers have to do business at scale.
So them putting their victims on OnlyFans, we have plenty of cases of this, that this is true.
And this happens on about 42 different websites across the country, which we are all over like white on rice, by the way.
Yeah, they just can't avoid it.
The number one website apparently is Facebook for this kind of stuff.
Well, it used to be Betpage, right?
And then Backpage got like Tate.
And then finally, the government took Backpage down.
And who was the primary source of intelligence on the takedown of Backpack?
Was that you?
That was us.
My guy.
We actually moved into their headquarters afterwards because we build our empires on the skulls of our enemies.
Wow.
Did Backpage know what they were doing the whole time?
They absolutely knew.
And the way I know this is, again, we've said they were going to be Craigslist, right?
They were like a Craigslist competitor.
We traced this stuff out.
We actually posted a job, or not a job.
We posted an ad for a 16-year-old girl, and we've got this all on film on camera.
Posted an ad for a 16-year-old girl on Backpage.com, and it went live minutes later with the age change to 18.
No.
Be quiet.
No.
No.
They actually automated that piece.
I mean, that's how in-depth they were.
But that's also why they were charged with human trafficking.
Wow.
Why they all pled guilty, right?
The only two left are the owners.
They're super old and really bad health, and so they're just writing it out.
But the point here is that the major majority of human trafficking in the United States, right?
We all want to look at the Epsteins, right?
But let's break down the Epstein case.
All that was, was what happens every single day, probably within five miles of this building right here, in almost every major metropolitan area in the country and increasingly smaller towns, that that same playbook, that exact same playbook, not on that level, but the exact same playbook, right?
You find somebody who's vulnerable, right?
Young teenage girl, most vulnerable people in the world.
You start manipulating them.
You start pulling them away from their support network.
And then they start getting them hooked on narcotics and then their lives are ruined.
So when we look at the standard model of human trafficking, people want to focus on the pizza gates, which isn't real.
Again, we've got more human trafficking data than anybody on the planet.
I mean, we literally have more human trafficking data than probably almost all governments combined.
I mean, it's what we do, and we're really good at it.
There's no patterns in any of that data that would suggest that any of that is even remotely real.
Like, not even the smallest little signal.
What people want to focus on is, well, there's children being trafficked in the basement of a pizza parlor, and then they go log on to their OnlyFans account.
And they want to realize that they're the ones actually feeding money into the human trafficking system.
They're the ones actually participating in it, right?
They want to go get what they think is an escort for a bachelor party, but that girl actually has a baby in Las Vegas that her human trafficker is holding on to.
And if she doesn't bring in $1,000 a night, he hurts the baby.
And so, of course, she says she wants to do this because she'll do anything to protect that child.
That's a real case that we dealt with.
Okay, so I mean, what you just said there, though, I mean, isn't that the libertarian argument for legalizing sex work?
Because then it can be monitored and it could be regulated, and that's the whole Heidi Fleisch argument.
Yeah.
People aren't going to stop having, you're not going to make a moral argument that's going to force people to stop having bachelors.
Well, it's like you said the war on drugs.
Drugs is winning.
Correct.
Yeah.
No, so I don't think that is, it's not a bad argument.
The libertarian argument for legalization of prostitution, it's not a bad argument.
The problem is that the data just doesn't back it up because every country that's ever legalized prostitution has seen a spike in human trafficking.
Portugal and Amsterdam?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Among the biggest ones.
The last country that just did it was Germany.
And now they're actually trying to reverse the legalization of prostitution because they've had such an explosion in human trafficking.
Correct.
You said that, you know, Pat brought up Pennsylvania and you're like, look, it's every state.
It's transitory.
Are there certain countries that's like, that's the sex trafficking capital of the world?
Is it China?
Is it India?
Well, surely it's not Nevada, right?
I mean, honestly, let's be honest.
Like, Texas, right, because it's at the border.
You're saying states in America.
It is.
Is there a country?
Well, so let me give you, let me tell you how this works, right?
So think of it like the drug market where the drug's sold.
They're sold in the wealthy school district, not in the poor school district, right?
They're dealt out of the poor school district, sold to the wealthy school district because that's where the money is.
The same money exactly.
The same reason people rob banks.
Who is that?
The money is the Dutch guy who is abducting girls in like a Rubin and selling them to single-back.
Otto Irvon Wismar or something.
And he'd still be getting away with it if that girl didn't die.
It's exports.
And so for other countries, like I was just in Kiev helping their law enforcement with some of their human trafficking issues, all the human trafficking that's happening over there is primarily exported out to other countries, to wealthy Western European countries and Americans, right?
And actually, a lot of Chinese increasingly.
So, when you start looking at it through that lens, most of the trafficking is happening there.
People think about things like Cambodia and Vietnam and Thailand.
There's a lot of cultural trafficking that's happening there.
So, you actually have parents are trafficking their children.
That happens a lot in the United States as well.
So, when you look at the trafficking piece, it's so nuanced and it's so complicated.
And there's so many arguments in there on the libertarian side and then what kind of trafficking are you talking about?
Predominant form of trafficking in the world is labor trafficking.
That's actually the predominant form, even here in the United States.
I mean, slavery has been pretty popular for a couple thousand years.
Yeah, so we tend to look at the we tend to focus on the commercial sex side, but there's labor trafficking, there's organ trafficking, babies being grown in a country I was just in specifically to harvest their organs.
I mean, like, like really, really horrific stuff.
Like, those are the things that we need to be focused on, not our children being sold in the this is your day-to-day life, seeing the absolute worst of the world.
You live in hell 10 hours, 12 hours a day every day.
How do you not go like that?
How do you not go crazy?
Yeah, like, how do you not lose your mind?
I mean, so this is my first rodeo at this.
I mean, my entire career was counter-narcotics and counterterrorism.
So, I mean, I've seen some pretty horrific stuff.
I've got 30 short-term combat deployments, and you freaking pick the stand.
I've fought there.
So, this is just, I mean, this is just the way that God made me.
And it's not me.
I mean, I'm lucky enough that I get to be the point man on all of this, but I have a team that is absolutely world-class.
And that's what we do at the Liverfund.
We go find the best and brightest.
So, let me ask you a little bit about everything you just said with Wi-Fi with Pizzagate, that's not real.
What stories that you hear going viral is real?
Like, I know you're debunking one by one by one.
What are some of the stories that we hear about?
That is real.
This is real.
That is fake.
Yeah, so there was one on your call sheet here that had about a girl in Nova Scotia, or mom in Nova Scotia, whose mother or whose daughter was being groomed for human trafficking on social media.
Halifax, is that what you're talking about?
That's the one.
Yeah, CBC News.
But you also see that on TikTok, like every day.
Every single day.
It's gross on TikTok.
There's these mothers taking videos of their 14-year-old daughters doing these dances and stuff like that.
Dance moms.
It's insane.
So think about it this way: National Center for Missing Exploited Children, very, very reputable source, incredible organization.
They found that in a five-year period, they had an 846% increase in suspected child trafficking cases.
Why?
And that's just children.
That doesn't mean 20-year-old college girls or anything like that, just children.
It's the smartphone, right?
It's a broadband-connected microcomputer that allows you to order a child to your hotel room the same way you can order a pizza and for about the same price.
So, and why?
That's always the question we've got to ask: why did that happen?
Well, the reason why is because for the first time in history, a non-familial 40-year-old man who's 2,000 miles away from a 12-year-old girl who just said she's mad at her dad, which is every 12-year-old girl at some point, right?
At the very moment of vulnerability, that man can start grooming that girl over a period, and increasingly boys, over a period of days to months to sometimes years in order to bring her in.
And then, once he's got her in, and it's a numbers game for him.
It's a business game.
You're saying they're messaging the kids to him.
Hey, I saw that you just posted something.
You're mad.
I'm here for you, buddy.
Your dad, dad's trying to keep you from growing up, right?
He just, you know, he just wants you to be his little girl.
You're so pretty.
Hey, give me a photo.
Hey, give me a better photo.
Hey, give me a better photo.
This is the part of the story where Chris Hansen normally walks around.
Exactly.
That photo that you just sent me.
Yeah, I'm going to actually post that on your grade school Facebook page if you don't send me more photos, right?
And that's called sextortion.
And then, which is actually a form of human trafficking.
And then it just gets worse and worse and worse.
Now I need you to meet me.
And they know that they've got to talk to 10 girls.
I mean, just make the math easy here, right?
They got to talk to 10 girls to get five to communicate with them, to get three to agree to a meeting, to get one to actually show up.
And that one who shows up.
It's a freaking sales funnel.
It's an absolute sales funnel.
Now look at it this way, too.
And this kind of brings it all back to what we were talking about before, which is really the commoditization of women.
When, I mean, we speak on this issue all over the world.
And when we talk about girls getting trafficked, people are like, oh, yeah, man, that's really sad.
That's really sad.
Talk about boys getting trafficked and people freaking are up in arms.
They're like, that's absolutely not.
Where are they?
We're going to be pedo hunters.
We're going to go after these guys.
Absolutely.
It goes the other way.
It goes the other way.
So far-fetched.
Why do people get so angry when they hear that boys are trafficked, but they just get sad when they hear that girls are trafficked?
Right?
And that is a societal question.
It's because we are groomed, and we could talk about media and all that from a very young age to commoditize women and girls.
So when you hear about women and girls being sold, you expect it.
When you hear about it happening with boys, very interesting.
Very, very interesting, right?
Very interesting.
Listen, for me, this is a very, there's certain topics that my blood boils.
Obviously, did you see The Last Rambo?
Did you guys watch The Last Ramble?
No.
The whole thing with his niece when he goes across the border.
Was it Ramble with?
I thought it was Ramble.
You're talking about, yeah, Rambo.
It was Ramble.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You didn't see The Last Ramble?
No, now it's not.
It's not about human trafficking.
Okay.
Yeah.
Let me tell you, it's a story about his niece being human trafficked in Mexico.
And then when you have a family, when you have something happens when you have kids.
Take in another movie.
Taken Liam Neeson.
I can't watch those movies.
I watch Liam Neeson.
I want to, you know, it produces a certain kind of energy.
A certain set of skills.
A certain set of skills.
And my skills, if I find you, I will find you.
And I find you.
You know, that whole thing.
I will kill you.
Yeah, I will kill you.
And then Man on Fire becomes a follow documentary about your movie.
I had these guys watch it one night when we go together.
Yeah, but it upsets you, is what you're saying.
It's very vaccine.
You'll have the conversation.
We can sit there and talk about war, Afghanistan, conversation.
We can sit and talk about a lot of different topics and people will listen to it.
This is one of those topics that's very uncomfortable to listen to.
So because it's uncomfortable to listen to, I wonder how much of media covers this because people don't want to hear this, don't want to listen to this, don't want to think.
But it needs to be talked about because it's happening.
Because once you're in it, you don't know you're in the web.
Like, are we going to post your picture on the school?
What's your response to that?
Do you say, let me go talk to my mommy and daddy?
Mommy, this guy just said he's going to do this.
What do I do?
Do I talk to my friends?
Do I'm in you're in a web.
What makes you uncomfortable, Pat?
What makes it uncomfortable, you know, is what Nick said earlier.
It's you have to come to terms with they're not the bad guy.
I'm the guy going to the strip club.
I'm the guy going to the bachelor party.
I am enabling this.
And that's a very hard thing.
You know, it's like you look into the darkness and the darkness looks back, right?
So it's like, but the thing is, Nick, man, we're not conditioned to view women as a commodity.
Like the woman is the commodity on earth.
It brings life.
It is the number one thing in the world.
The female body keeps our species going.
It is the most precious thing on earth.
I mean, there have been wars. fought over women.
There's women, like everything that a man has ever done on earth.
The reason that we sit in that traffic, the reason that we work is to keep that woman happy.
I live in a cardboard box if I don't give a shit.
I don't want to live in a nice place.
Exactly.
Everything that we do is.
You said something the other episode.
You're like, I want to know what that chick looked like.
Yeah.
Who are you talking about?
That was the Trojan War.
Who I'd want to have dinner with.
That's wild.
Troy.
I need to know what she looked like.
Exactly.
Can I ask you a question, though?
Because you brought up the commoditization of women and the outrage of boys and the shock factor and the sadness with women.
Let me pose something for you.
We hear a teacher, male teacher, molest his 15-year-old student.
That's disgusting.
It's fucking ridiculous.
We hear the same female teacher has sex with a 15-year-old boy.
What's up, OB?
Yes!
What's up with that?
So I don't have the educational background to dissect those.
That's a very animated question.
But what I can't say is that.
If a 16-year-old boy bangs his teacher, you know all the homies are like, what up, bro?
Is this a personal question?
Are you like, are you recognizing something you want to get off your chest?
There was a teacher when I was 16.
I wish I had that story, but let him answer.
But we riff over.
We have a.
So all these different questions that we came down to, like, these aren't problems I could solve.
You know what problem I can solve and we're really good at solving is going after the human trafficker.
Because the common denominator in that whole equation is a human trafficker, right?
You cannot have a human trafficking victim if you do not have a human trafficker.
That's why we focus all of our time and tension and resources on going after that human trafficker because I can't solve the commoditization of women issue, right?
It's a national conversation we have to have.
And I'm going to get tons of heat for this, but you can also make an argument that women, in some sense, actually want to be commoditized, but only by the right person, right?
So I can't solve that problem.
You're going to have a great comedy bit right there, dude.
I can't solve that problem.
But what I can solve is going after that human trafficker to make sure that when that vulnerable girl says that she is mad at her dad, there's nobody there to exploit that moment.
Right.
So again, you look at the businesses that you build, it's all about the problems you can solve and not focusing on those and not getting distracted by the ones that you can't.
I can't solve the, I can't solve that stuff.
And even if adrenochrome is real, let's say that, you know, people really are drinking the blood of children in their basement.
One, we're going to see it in the data eventually and we don't see it.
Two, you're going to see at least some prosecutions because is there corruption in law enforcement and in the judicial system?
Absolutely.
Are they all corrupt?
No, they're not.
And I think this whole Epstein case just proves that.
So we're going to see it in the data eventually.
We're going to see it in the prosecutions.
What we are going to what we need to focus on primarily is what is actually happening at scale within the business of human trafficking.
And that's that human trafficker exploiting a girl on social media, transferring her to another platform, and then getting her in that stable.
And the reason that I say we can reduce human trafficking by 80% globally and why I think we can actually do that is because that 80% increase happened because of technology.
So by taking that technology focus and actually using that weapon way easier.
And the Achilles heel of human trafficking, that what is actually happening in human trafficking is that they have to advertise, right?
Price is bottomed out.
They got to do business at scale, which means they have to advertise at scale.
Yes, and no, Mark.
Not anymore.
I mean, now thanks to de Blasio, they can just walk around the streets in New York again, man, and do door-to-door.
But one thing real quick, Tom.
I mean, you keep saying the human trafficker.
Am I to understand that these are one-offs?
I had always thought that this was entire rings and that this was a syndicate, that this was gangs.
No, it's a lot like terrorism these days, right?
Terrorism is, you know, within al-Qaeda and ISIS and these different groups, it's a top-down hierarchy.
But for the most part, it's just a loose affiliation of like minds, right?
And you have the same thing within the human trafficking market.
I mean, these human traffickers will coordinate.
If you go to the Instagram handle at Kara the Huntress, who's one of our senior targeting analysts, she actually breaks, she has a whole YouTube series called Hunting with the Huntress, and she breaks down what these human traffickers are doing.
They share best practices.
They have conferences where they get together and talk about how they're going to do different things and what's the best practice for moving money.
And we've infiltrated their groups and they talk to us like they think they're talking to other traffickers.
I mean, it's actually a lot of fun for us.
That's crazy.
It's a business.
It's a business.
They do it for money.
It's not ideology.
They do it for money.
This is money.
This is money.
I have a question for you.
Just a quick parting question here, right?
So we have the 13th, and we have to decide whether we're going to defend accordingly or not, right?
We're going to take it seriously.
So crisis is usually brought the good side of government, right?
Jimmy Carter created the Department of Energy because of the oil embargo and the crisis that we faced.
George Bush, please, conspiracy theorists, don't hit us on this.
George Bush created Department of Homeland Security because we discovered new enemies, new methods.
If you look at this and you say technology has enabled this to become so bad, maybe it's not a cabinet position or a government department, but if the Dems are serious about the value of individuals, we have to help the poor and do all this.
And the Republicans are serious on the conservative side about the preciousness of life ordained by God and abortion.
If we're both in agreement on that, then we should both be saying, why don't we fund whether it's a government agency or part of the FBI to fight something that is now technology enabled and is running at speed and scale?
What are your thoughts?
Please not the FBI.
We need to regulate tech.
We need to.
And there's not a single tech CEO that has said that there needs to be no regulation of tech, right?
I mean, we need to amend CDA 230.
We need to regulate tech.
There's actually a very good thing.
CDA 230, if you can say what is that.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, the Communications Decency Act Rule 230.
The Electronic Frontier Foundation is going to go after me for saying that.
But we need to.
I mean, the reality is we have a choice to make in this country.
Do we want to continue to have an unregulated internet that allows the exploitation of children or do we not?
It is a binary choice, and we need to make that choice.
Now, what is very, very important, and I say this as somebody who 17 years of federal service, do not let the government lead that effort.
The government should canonize that effort, but the tech industries, the business leaders should be the ones at the table wrestling over what that regulation is and what they can and can't do.
Let me give you a good example.
Up until DeliverFund created the software platform, it was virtually impossible for a bank to find human trafficking within the bank.
We created a technology platform that allows banks to find those human traffickers at scale in an automated fashion.
So now we can use FinCEN and the anti-money laundering laws to start shutting down human trafficking.
So we need to regulate tech.
We need to enforce the laws that we have on the books.
We don't need another government agency, please no.
What we need is the business community, right?
I mean, commerce is what drives this country.
Business is what made this country what it is, right?
Why we are more successful than any, for the lack of a better term, empire than the world has ever seen in a shorter time than anybody's ever seen.
It's because of commerce and business and our liberty.
And so we need to use our liberty as the business community to fight human trafficking and take responsibility for human traffickers using our platforms.
That's what gets to the bottom of it, and that's what ultimately ends it.
And as long as the government provides those businesses with safe harbor, saying, if you do these things, we're not going to hold you accountable for human trafficking that happens on your platform, that solves the problem.
I want to ask you one other question since we have some time here with you and we have you here in regards to Iran.
This is a different story.
We talked about it before.
Top Iranian general, revenge for Soleimani death to happen within the U.S.
No one will forget what we do.
And that's Iran's saying it.
No one will forget what we do.
This is a Daily Wire story.
Iran, Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the IRGC, Brigadier General Esmali Rhani, commander of Iran elite Quds force, threatened last week that the revenge Iran will seek for death of Hossein Ghassam Soleimani, the former commander of the IRGC courts, will happen within the United States.
He said we will prepare grounds for the hard revenge against the U.S. from within their homes as we do not need to be present as supervisors everywhere.
Wherever is necessary, we take revenge against Americans by the help of people on their side.
What a thing to say right there.
By the help of people on their side and within their homes without our presence.
I'm going to read that one more time because it's too powerful of a statement that he made.
We will prepare ground for the hard revenge against the U.S. from within their homes as we do not need to be present as supervisors everywhere.
Wherever is necessary, we take revenge against Americans by the help of the people on their side and within their homes without our presence.
Talking about former President Donald Trump and former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, who advocated for the strike behind the scenes, Ghani said all of the criminals who are on the scene from the U.S. criminal, from the criminal U.S. president to all those behind the crime of assassination of Soleimani are under our magnifying glass.
Do you think this is just talk or do you think they're actually going to do something?
I think the Iranians are an incredibly intelligent people.
They definitely play the long game and they mean what they say.
The assassination of Soleimani, I have a lot of mixed feelings about that because that was a bad dude.
He was on a lot of target decks.
But cooler heads always said, let's not do this.
It's important to understand who Soleimani is, right?
Americans don't get it.
Suleimani was essentially the equivalent of the director of the CIA and the Secretary of Defense and the National Security Advisor, all wrapped into one person.
Yeah, he could have potentially ended up being the leader of Iran.
That was one of the guys.
J. Edgar Hoover, is that the fight?
He was the shot caller, right?
I mean, more than that.
He had more power than the president of Iran, right?
He reported directly.
Tomorrow and Ike combined.
Yeah.
Think about it that way.
Those two personalities combined.
So is he a bad guy who was causing us a lot of problems?
Absolutely.
And he is personally responsible for the death of many, many U.S. soldiers.
But it is very hard to overstate the, in fact, you can't overstate the importance of that one event and the ripple effects and the repercussions.
Now, this is where our short-term system actually causes us problems because if you were always going to have a president that was willing to commit an assassination at that level in office, freaking brilliant move.
The problem is that every four years, you potentially have a guy who wants to talk to killers.
Right?
And there's only one language a guy like Suleimani understands, and there's only one language that the Ayatollahs respect.
And you can look at this on the geopolitical scale, like what happens, right?
When certain people are in office, what does Putin do?
When other people are in office, what does Putin do?
Right?
I mean, these are smart leaders.
And you got to keep in mind in that part of the world, you lose an election, you don't go on your speaking tour, eventually run for Senate, right?
You get a bullet in the back of the head.
So this is survival for these people.
So your best and brightest, and often cases really do rise to the top.
And more importantly, if you rose to the top like Suleimani did, I mean, not only do you know where the bodies are buried, you've still got the shovel.
So those are very, very bright people.
And we need to keep that in mind.
And it's very important for the American populace and listeners to understand that these are not dirt farmers in Afghanistan.
These are very, very, very smart people who think generationally and know how to hold a grudge.
But to do that, to really get back at holding the grudge.
So we talked about this a year and a half ago.
I don't know if you remember this.
We talked about it a year ago when Trump was president.
We talked about this conversation.
When it happened, we talked about this.
Exactly.
A year and a half ago.
Yeah.
And pretty much we said the same thing about where Iran's at.
They're not going for that.
They're not going to forget.
Remember, you were very adamant about that.
They're not going to forget.
They are not going to forget.
And they're going to time it.
If they're going to do something, today's, it would be the season to do it because the current administration's not going to necessarily want to do anything and retaliate.
However, knowing if they really do want to get back at Pompeo and Trump, you know, say 2024 comes around and Trump and Pompeo get back in, and then they're president, would they do it now?
Would they do it then?
Because revenge you got to do when the other person is alive.
You can't do it when the other guy's gone.
Or would they sit there and say, you know what, we're going to wait because we know if we do something while Trump is around, he's going to retaliate.
Target said, if you even think about it, because you know the retaliation was they bombed somewhere that was a distance.
They said, yeah, we retaliated, but they didn't do nothing.
It was just to kind of shot down a Ukrainian airliner days later.
Let's not forget that.
Ukraine has been a pivot point in the war between the Soviets and Iran and the U.S. and Israel for the last 30 years.
So, you know, they were like, oh, well, we accidentally shot down the Ukrainian airliner.
Oh, you accidentally shot it down with an anti-aircraft missile, but you were cleaning it and you didn't know it was loaded and it went off.
Oh, you, Alec, Baldwin?
Yeah.
Three things on that, Pat.
Three things.
We were filming something else.
One is, man, what a sad state of affairs that we're actually have to sit here and be like, oh, as Americans, like, oh, what if Iran got mad at us?
What if that's what a what a sad state of affairs.
Do something, bitch.
We're the United States of America.
I beg you.
I dare you.
Please.
Please do it.
Watch what happens.
Let's do it in three years.
That should be our mentality.
As a nation, that should be our mentality.
Be like, I wish a mothersucker would.
But instead, it's like, oh, God, what if they do this?
We've fallen so far, so fast.
As a nation, as a people, we've fallen so far, so fast that you're right that that's the general thought right now.
That's a bad thing.
Two, you talk about the human traffickers.
They have this, you know, they treat it as a business.
They have this loose coalition.
How tight are the autocrats of the Middle East and the East?
Are Putin, G, the Ayatollah, are they in communication with one another?
Are they coordinating against the West, do you think, or no?
That's it, me?
Yeah.
100%.
In fact, I think the G-Putin relationship is probably the most underreported geopolitical problem that we have right now.
I mean, you think it's coincidence that China is rattling a saber at Taiwan and Russia's on the border of Ukraine simultaneously?
I mean, that's not.
By the way, Putin's playing hardball right now.
I mean, you've seen him on the media recently what he's been saying.
What's his incentive not to?
Yeah, he's flat out came out.
Matter of fact, let me read the story since you're bringing him up, and then I'll turn it to you, Gerard.
Russia's pushing Finland and Sweden toward NATO.
This is a Bloomberg story.
Last month, the Russian foreign minister made comments about Finland and Sweden, indicating his displeasure with the idea of either joining the alliance, but this approach may well have backfired on the Russians and increased the desire of both Nordic nations to seriously consider membership.
It represents an opportunity for NATO, given the character, geography, and military capability of the two countries.
Technologically, both nations operate high-end combat equipment, notably the Swedish Air Force, which flies locally produced Sop-Gripen strike fighters.
These were used to excellent military effect in the combat operations in Libya in 2011.
Under my command, Finland just ordered 64 Lockheed Martin F-35 fighters, the most advanced combat aircraft in the world.
And then I'll read the story prior to that.
Before that.
Which goes with it about Blinken.
This is a real clear politics story.
If Russia attacks Ukraine, NATO will reinforce the Baltic states and Poland.
Secretary of State Anthony Blinken said that negotiation with Russia over Ukraine continue and warned if Russia commits renewed aggression against Ukraine.
I think it's a very fair prospect that NATO will reinforce its positions along the eastern flank, the countries that border Russia, Poland and the Baltic Republics of Lithuania, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia are the only members of NATO directly bordering Russia.
How we got here is because Russia's committed repeated acts of aggression against its neighbors going back more than a decade, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine in 2014.
And now the prospect of doing that again, Blinken said.
Do you think Russia or Putin listens to Blinken and says, oh my gosh, that just scared me?
Do you think that's what Putin says when he hears Blinken speak?
I don't think so.
No.
I mean, I think words are useless and your actions are the only thing that matter.
And they look at Afghanistan and they go, really?
We've heard you talk before, Blinken.
And so, I mean, I don't think so.
Again, you just look at what they do during one administration versus the next.
Yeah, right?
I mean, I think you focus on what people do, as opposed to what they say.
Lots of talk.
I'm never concerned about what I see Russia doing.
I'm always concerned about what I don't see them doing, why they're creating a distraction in one place, and what are they doing somewhere else?
Granted, I mean, they produced some of the greatest chess players in the world.
Thinking through the strategy long term.
Proxy, proxy, proxy, non-stop.
That was my thought.
All his game.
That was my third question.
Because that's what he did with Armenia and Azerbaijan.
It's a non-stop proxy.
Look what just happened with Kazakhstan.
Yeah.
I mean, very interesting, the under-reported color revolution in Kazakhstan.
They overthrew their entire government overnight.
They arrested them.
But there's something that was reported that was denied immediately before anybody knew it was reported, which made it very, very suspect about the bioweapons load that apparently Russia had stolen bioweapons from an American facility in Kazakhstan.
And it was denied before it was reported, which was very, very, very strange.
It came out in the Daily Mail.
It was never even reported in America.
So, you know, like you talk about these proxy wars and these coordinated efforts by these autocrats.
And you say, man, we're running out of proxies.
We're running out of these border countries to have these color revolutions.
Eventually, the borders are going to meet each other and you're not going to be able to push anymore.
I mean, look, America's in a color revolution right now.
You can disagree about it, call it a conspiracy all you want.
Look at the definition of a color revolution.
You think anything that happened over the last three years came from inside our borders?
Or do you think there were people inside our borders that were working with international factions?
We talk about this all the time.
How higher up.
How higher up.
As high as it goes.
You have global interests versus local interests now, Pat.
I think we've talked about this at length.
We don't have a lot of time to go into it, unfortunately.
But you have people in our country who are not elected officials.
And I think that this is what's happened to our government, why we're so vulnerable right now, like you were saying, is because, look, whatever the administration was, we always had the Senate.
We always had Congress, right?
They always had their constituents in mind.
For lack of a better term, they were the voice of the people.
And then, you know, whoever our leader was, right, left, whatever, it was a small variance.
Not a lot of difference.
Really, when you think about it, not a ton of difference between Reagan, Bush, one, Clinton.
Not a ton of difference.
A little bit here, a little bit there.
A little spending this way, a little spending that way.
But mostly the same type of person.
Politically, anyway, right?
40-yard lines.
40-yard lines.
Perfect example, right?
Now we have these massive swings entire party-wide.
You have a Senate that can't function unless it has a clear majority, right?
So now everything is a national and a global issue.
There is no local issues anymore.
And our leaders who are elected by us are not beholden to us.
They're beholden to global interests.
There's nothing that nobody can convince me differently.
And it's not just Nancy Pelosi, Mitch McConnell, the same way.
They're more interested in what China and the EU and the UN have to say than they are their district in San Francisco or Virginia.
And you can't convince me otherwise.
And that's a major problem.
That's a huge issue.
How high rupt, though?
How high rupt?
You think even presidents are playing on other different interests where they're worried about a big guy getting deals in the Ukraine.
Yeah.
I mean, again, this is 15 points for the big guy.
15 points for the big guy.
But this right here, man, first one thing about Putin.
So Putin, this is not a guy that when he threatens, he's just threatening.
You go to a bar, a guy says, if you do that again, I'm going to punch you in the face.
Nine out of ten times, it's what?
The guy's just talking shit.
Just talking.
One out of ten times, it's Putin.
He's not even going to tell you.
He's just going to punch you in the face.
He's not the guy that punches anybody.
He snaps his fingers.
Somehow your drink gets poisoned.
Exactly.
You're looking at Navalny on a flight.
Radiated salad.
You know, he's going to give you the polonium hairspray as he walks past.
What is dying of hospitality?
So look, let's end on a message of hope, though, Pat.
So we just got a word.
We got a few more minutes because I got to go to the airport at 11.30.
So we got time.
Okay, cool.
So who is the you working for America?
Like you're doing God's work working for the most vulnerable amongst us.
Tom made a great point before.
In my limited government worldview, government, I'm not an anarchist.
Government has a place.
It's to protect the most vulnerable amongst us.
And if our government, with $9 trillion at its disposal over the last three years, can't protect or is unwilling to protect the most vulnerable, why should it exist?
If it doesn't function at its baseline of upholding the Constitution of the United States and protecting the most vulnerable among us, why should it exist?
And why should we be giving them any more money?
AOC, I know you're sick.
I hope this doesn't upset you while you're sick and watching, but why should we give these people even a dollar more if they can't even do that now?
And what if they're not doing that?
If they're not looking out for American citizens, and if they're not looking out for the most vulnerable among us, if it falls on private sector to do it, then what are they doing with the money?
Oh, I can tell you what they're doing with the money, but I'd probably get myself in a lot of trouble.
Spending a lot of it on defense.
They're spending a lot of it on Social Security.
Spending a lot on Medicare.
A lot of Medicaid.
There's a lot of meaning.
Hey, I know where he's going.
We spend less than 4% of the GDP on defense.
We actually need to increase that number to.
Well, what percentage is Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid?
That's where we go to the US.
That's where 90% of his liabilities, but I think he's also going to go to the bottom.
It's the entitlements.
Correct.
It's the entitlements and the waste.
Here's a great example.
Afghanistan's a black eye on our country.
I think pretty much everybody agrees with that, regardless of where you are politically.
The exit.
You're saying the sloppy exit.
No, the sloppy execution starting at Reagan.
I mean, you look at the whole history of it.
It goes all the way back to Reagan.
Charlie Wilson's war.
Back to Charlie Wilson's war.
I mean, everyone's got culpability in it.
We freed the people, but we effed up the end.
Who lost their job over that?
Where's the accountability, right?
You were working for Pat.
Pat would have sent you packet.
He would help you go excel elsewhere, but it's not going to be in one of his companies if you screw up that bad is my guess, right?
Because there's accountability.
where is the accountability, right?
You look at the way that- This is the ARC thing.
You say accountability.
This is the response.
Let's failing because it's supposed to be us.
And there's my point.
So the Russians have the Internet Research, the IRA, the Internet Research Agency, right?
Just basically a huge troll farm.
So they, you know, how are they going to hit us?
I think was your question a while ago?
They're going to use our liberties against us.
They're just going to feed the right people, get them into the right echo chamber, and then radicalize it.
It's called college.
Because that's what they do.
Yeah.
Right?
The Russians, the Russians and the communists talk about taking over academia.
I mean, there's plenty of YouTube videos about this from Communist Party, Communist Party meetings.
And so when we look at this, I would actually say we as the people are the us.
So you want a deliver fund doing counter-human trafficking work.
You don't want the government doing counter-human trafficking work for this very reason, right?
You want them arresting people because no private citizen should have the ability to restrict the liberty of another private citizen.
That's what you need the government for.
But where does that actual work?
Monopoly on violence?
We talk about the military-industrial complex.
Guess what?
There's a reason Russia doesn't have F-35s because they don't have a Dynecor or Northrop Grumman that has a capitalist incentive in order to make a better and better weapon.
So we need those things.
But at the same time, we as a people need to keep that in check and say, all right, let's regulate tech so that we can keep these foreign actors out.
Nobody wants that more than the tech companies.
Let's incentivize them to make sure that they have safe harbor and they have a reason, a business case to regulate themselves, right?
To self-regulate, the same way that banks do with anti-money laundering laws, right?
You look at the way that we, the banking system, I think, is actually the best one, right?
With the banking system and the way the anti-money laundering laws work is a really, really good model for countering for countering foreign actors.
Let me give you some pushback on that, though, because tech isn't, again, tech, even though they may be American companies, they're very clearly, Alphabet in particular, very, very clearly beholden to foreign interests.
But that's why we need to regulate them because dynamic people who's regulating them.
So one, you said the government shouldn't regulate them, which I agree, but then when they self-regulate, look at what they're doing now.
They've demonetized?
They've demonetized people who have been proven to tell the truth, me among them.
They've taken down pages.
They've taken down posts.
Pat just had an interview that was taken down.
I know.
For what?
For what reason?
So they're regulating right now.
They're self-regulating right now, but that's not.
I say the government needs to regulate them.
And by the government, I mean we the people need to regulate them by telling our politicians what regulations we want.
I mean, I hate to make a slippery slope argument, but I mean, I just read, Tyler, if you can pull it up, there's a guy who's been number two of the FBI for 16 years.
And he said that, you know, conservatives should be put in re-education camps, that there needs to be surveillance on anybody who's donated to a right-wing candidate in America.
This is the number two at the FBI.
And that's who's going to regulate.
And at the same time, do you know where the 2%er community came from on the far right?
Came from military predominantly within the special operations community.
So we've got to keep in mind that within the government, there is a – it's the government – the people who work in the government are of the people, right?
So within a military – I mean, you would know better, but yes or no.
99% of the people who work in the CIA are Ivy Leaguers now.
That's not true.
Is that of the people?
No, that is not true.
That's actually not true.
That is not true at all.
Most of the people, that was the case in the 50s.
Most of the people at the CIA want you to believe they're an Ivy League.
And I say this as an Ivy Leaguer who worked at the CIA.
I was a very conservative guy.
I mean, I'm a Christian conservative guy, pretty easy to figure out where I stand politically.
And yet I was country chief for a Connecticut unit within the CIA, within a classified unit.
So point is like, how did I raise to such a high level so quick?
The political ideology and a lot of the conspiracy theories that you hear about that internally just doesn't get taken into account.
I know folks at the FBI who are about as far right as you can get.
I also know folks who are about as far left as you can.
I don't want the guys to be right or left, Nick.
I'm just saying, what was the last president we have didn't go to an Ivy League school?
What was the last vice president we have didn't go to an Ivy League school?
What was the last Secretary of State we had to go to the United States?
But that's a whole other conversation because at the end of the day, but the people who make the government run are of the people.
I mean, they very much are.
The soldiers on the ground in Afghanistan are not conservative.
You would actually find the major majority of your soldiers on the ground, especially within the conventional rakes, or actually you would probably consider them pretty liberal.
I would imagine so because most of them are going to come from economically, economically challenged areas.
That's not true.
This is not true.
No, that is not true.
That is a total myth.
In fact, when you look at the military writ large, and I don't know if this was your experience, it's predominantly middle class.
It's predominantly middle class.
What would you describe as middle class?
How wide of a birth are you giving that?
I mean, I would say, you know, dad is usually blue-collar, making somewhere, I mean, in my day, so that was the 90s, you know, 50 to 100 a year.
Because if you're making 100K in Iowa, you're crushing it.
You're making 100K in Jersey.
You're barely getting it.
Right, but about 80%, 80% of the military is, or I'm sorry, most of the military actually comes from rural America.
And rural America is about 80% of the population of, or at least the land area.
You think it's not the bottom 20%?
It's not 20%.
It's not middle class at all.
Not at all.
A lot of, a lot of college-educated, a lot of college-educated.
And the reason this is an important part of the conversation is there's this myth that people join the military because they have no other option.
I had tons of options.
I had an appointment to the Air Force Academy, and I chose to be an enlisted guy because that's the job I wanted to do.
I wanted to get back and I wanted to serve, right?
Pat had plenty of options, right?
But you chose to.
I didn't have a lot of money.
No.
I had a 1.8 GP in high school.
So I'm more from the story that I started.
I was a low-income welfare baby that I joined the military.
But when I was in, and I'm thinking about it, it was a lot of middle-income families that joined.
It was middle and low.
I can't give you a lot of folks who were from great families.
And if they were, not great families, money-making families.
And if they were, they went straight into being officers.
It wasn't enlisted.
For you to become an enlisted, you made a choice.
Guys like you would have never been enlisted.
A lot of guys like you, when I remember that, they went straight to becoming, you know, second lieutenants they won, first lieutenants, captain.
That's the route they took, at least when I was at that unit.
I think a lot of the, and I ran into this at the CIA too, there were a lot of folks from very wealthy families who were very quiet about the fact that they were from very wealthy families, right?
And they think there's a minority group there.
I don't disagree that that is a minority.
I don't know if that's a majority.
What I will say about what Gerard is saying right now.
So everybody wants some sort of accountability with these social media companies.
We were talking about the human trafficking earlier.
Somebody just sent an email right now saying it wasn't Cindy Lauper, it was Cindy Lopez.
Cindy Lopez was an underage model.
This was just sent by somebody named Yesi.
So it was an underage model.
But going back to it, the control is what becomes a worry.
Like the other day I sent a message out saying, so there's one thing that's constant in the last two elections.
So Trump was president.
The worst day for cases, COVID cases, was 300,000 COVID cases in a day.
And that was under Trump.
Okay.
And I think it was like January 8th or January 6th, someday like that, that we had 300,000 COVID cases in a day.
Now it's Biden.
In the last week, the average for the last week is 713 cases per day.
We had a day with 1,018,000 cases in the last seven days.
So that's Trump, that's Biden.
Trump got impeached.
The only thing that's been constant between Trump and Biden is who?
Only one name.
That's been constant.
It's Fauci.
To me, it's not about firing Trump.
It's not about firing Biden.
It's you've got to fire Fauci, the NIH director.
And then somebody commented back and said something very interesting.
I said, you know, we need somebody that's younger, more energetic to do this.
And somebody said, I don't think this is the job of one person.
I think we need a committee.
I think we need some people that are on one side and some people that are on the other side that are debating each other and they're kind of coming out and saying, here's what we agreed on.
It's like almost a vote.
You know how we have a 4-7, you know, 4-3, your vote of a citizen.
You're saying Supreme Court.
Exactly.
And I totally agree.
I said, you know what?
That makes a lot of sense.
Just like we have a Supreme Court.
I think what the COVID situation taught us is we can't have one guy making decisions.
It is catastrophic for this one guy.
But if we got a 4-3, and just like you're nominating people into Supreme Court, you're nominating people into this NIH, whatever court that we're having.
Let them have the banter and debate.
But this is where I agree kind of with what Gerard is saying.
Okay.
So you said the DOJ has an 82% 86% that they're going after.
And then somebody said the reason why the OJ does it is because it's the DOG that's involved in a lot of different things that they're doing.
Okay, fine.
That's a conspiracy coming out.
Let you say there's some credibility behind that being said.
Who the hell do you trust to hold people accountable?
You know, if this guy from PBS that just got fired or this FBI agent number two, Andrew McCabe, calls for feds to treat mainstream conservatives like Democrat terrorists, if a guy is a domestic trader, if a guy like this is making comments like this, and he's at the FBI, he's a Democrat, and he's at the FBI, and he wants to silence people like a Malone or a Peter McCall or Rogan.
He's not just at the FBI, that's the number two.
No, this guy's got a major bone to pick with Trump, though.
You remember what happened with him and Trump, right?
Trump fired him like two days before he was going to basically be retired.
It doesn't matter.
Disgraced honor.
I agree with accountability, but I also agree with who the hell is holding who accountable.
Because the wrong person holding somebody accountable, things get worse.
Look what happened on Twitter.
Jack Dorsey is the guy that's running Twitter, right?
The day they switch on who's running Twitter CEO, all of a sudden, oh, Malone got kicked off Twitter because the new CEO, not the old CEO.
He was saying the same thing when Dorsey was on.
That's the W-No.
So sometimes the person holding people accountable, you're excited about it.
But a lot of people right now, all the people that hate a Dorsey, guess what a lot of people are saying right now.
Can we kind of get this Dorsey guy back?
You know what I'm saying?
We miss him on Twitter.
So who holds the people accountable is the question.
You do.
And you are.
Here's my point.
And this is why I'm excited.
And this is why I think that people talk about podcasts and like everyone's doing one now.
Well, okay, that's true, but some of them are really important.
Look at the audience you have.
You're probably reaching more people than CNN will today.
Well, look at where Joe Rogan is.
Joe Rogan by himself probably reaches, I mean, he is a network, a complete powerhouse.
And he actually probably reaches more people than CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News.
Combined.
Combined.
Yep.
Right.
And now.
Think about what you just said.
Now extrapolate the second and third order.
It's actually further than that.
But that's Stelter came out, was it last night or two nights ago, and he was like basically crying on air.
He's like, it's like the people I talked to don't believe us, what we're saying anymore.
But that's my point is that because of the new media, and I think the new media, I think the monetization behind the new media, all of these platforms, like I am the biggest, I'm not really much of a user of social media.
I'm trying to get better.
But I am incredibly excited about social media because this was not possible 10 years ago.
This is possible today.
This is an entire business today.
Totally agree with you.
And so the kid who doesn't have the right pedigree, who literally is just scrappy and a critical thinker and really good at resource allocation, we know that because he built a successful business, right?
What politician is good at resource allocation?
They actually are terrible at it.
Another Elon Musk quote there, right?
Elon Musk.
Exactly.
So when you start looking at it through that lens, it's like, well, actually, it's the new media that I think will be available.
Let me tell you what it sucks, man.
Based on what you're saying here, here's what I will tell you.
I love the fact that Spotify is based out of Sweden.
You have no idea how important Spotify is right now.
I will guarantee you a lot of people in.
Oh, dang, look at that.
Yeah, it's not even close.
He's crushing everybody combined.
Tucker's at 3.24.
That's what he's averaged in Q3.
His podcast, 11 million.
Hillary show.
That's the 11 million show.
That's not the 50 million.
Peter got 50 million.
Peter got 50 million.
But here's a point about, what were we talking about right now?
You were talking about the Netflix social media.
Yeah, Spotify.
So Spotify is a thorn in all of these guys in Silicon Valley.
They can't stand what Spotify is doing.
Spotify is letting this stuff stay up.
You're kidding me.
Spotify is now doing video.
If Spotify gets commentary and thumbs up, thumbs down, and some data that's being showed publicly, a lot's going to change with Spotify.
So again, what this goes to that I trust, here's what I trust.
I trust capitalism.
Thank you.
I trust capitalism, man.
That's what I love.
And my concern for Silicon Valley was the day Alex Jones got ousted, 100 apps took him down.
That's very scary.
That is very scary because everybody's on the same page.
This is why a global corporate tax rate scares me.
Because if all of a sudden America gets out of control, you can't go to Singapore.
You can't go to all these other places.
Now, thank God Singapore doesn't want to be part of some of these organizations to have a global tax rate that everybody's agreeing on.
You don't want that.
So the good news is Spotify is competing.
Other guys are coming out.
Daniel Elk wants to win the audio voice game and he's dominating everyone.
You know who else he's got?
He's got Michelle Obama.
He's got Kardashians.
He's going after all those big guys.
And that's the exciting part.
All the other stuff, does it concern me today that Malone is kicked off and Biden and none of those guys have said anything about it?
That's kind of concerning because what he's talking about, I want to know why you're so afraid of hiding this guy's content.
What's so scared about what he's saying that's hiding?
This is a guy that's vaccinated.
This guy's a guy that took Moderna.
This guy's a guy that said, when I got COVID, I thought I was going to die.
Like he said everything you want him to say.
But God forbid a Fauci gets called out.
Scares the hell out of a lot of people.
I'm going to go to two stories.
Call it what it is, though.
I'm going to go to two stories before we wrap up, before we wrap up.
One of them is the Michelle Obama story.
The other one is the Democrats Now Fear School story with the last 10 minutes that we got.
Michelle Obama, urgent message about this year's midterm elections.
This is a CNN story.
Former First Lady Michelle Obama has a message for Americans ahead of 2022 midterm elections.
We've got to vote like the future of our democracy depends on it.
We've heard this a million times.
In a letter titled, Fight for Our Vote, which was published Sunday as an ad in the New York Times, Obama called on Americans to continue emerging, engaging in democracy, amid a historic attack on voting rights.
Obama's letter referenced the insurrection and the, what is that?
I wrote over it.
And is it a slew of young voting restrictions?
Slew of voting restrictions passed on the state law across the country in its wake.
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer has vowed the chamber will vote on whether to change the Senate's legislative filibuster rules by Martin Luther King Jr.
January 17 of Republicans block Democrats' latest effort to advance voting rights legislation.
Do you think Michelle Obama is just kind of getting in there because behind closed doors, there's any aspirations of 2024?
They've been trying.
They've been banging her for years.
She's the highest Q-rated member in the entire Democratic Party by far.
So they've been possibly in the country.
Possibly in the country, sure.
So they've been trying.
She's not for some reason.
Probably because life's pretty good for them right now.
And I don't know if they have the same.
Listen, when Obama ran the first time, cakewalk, as soon as he got past Hillary.
Against McCain.
As soon as he got past Hillary.
As soon as he got past Hillary, it was a cakewalk.
Anybody who ran against Bush was going to be, you know, was going to win.
Anybody who ran against Bush's last year.
Exactly.
You probably mean McCain.
No, Bush is the leader.
He beat McCain, but he ran against Bush, right?
In the middle of the Great Recession.
Sure.
Cakewalk.
Stack text against him, right?
Yeah, and then Romney, for reasons unbeknownst to anyone, took the gloves off and stopped campaigning with two weeks to go and a five-point lead when Obama was doing horrible things.
And after running against Bush, I was there when Christie gave him a hug.
Yeah, so listen, there's a reason Michelle hasn't ran yet.
I think that she likes being the kingmaker.
I think she likes having her Netflix gigs.
I think she likes being a socialite.
There's a lot that goes into running where I don't think they want to have things exposed.
They don't want to have to answer hard questions.
And a lot of their, this is the other side of it.
A lot of their playbook has been run into the ground.
There's only so much more division.
There's only so much more divide and conquer you can do.
So, you know, the rules for radicals thing has kind of played out now.
We're going on 20 years, right, of rules for radicals here.
At some point, they've kind of divided everybody that was going to divide.
They found everybody that was going to vote along the lines of immutable characteristics, and it is what it is, right?
As a matter of fact, there's a lot of statistics showing that the identity politics and the Latinx stuff is actually turning off the Latin voter.
It's turning them off.
That is correct.
So, you know, everything has its time, right?
So is Michelle Obama going to run?
I don't think so.
It's a long answer to say I don't think so, but I do think that she wants to have the power to decide who runs, which is what I think she really wants.
I think that she wants someone like Stacey Abrams.
And when they keep, and we got to stop letting these people frame this issue the way that they, it's a voter rights issue.
No, it's a freaking show, prove who you are.
It drives me out of my mind, the hypocrisy.
And Adam, it's Democrats.
Democrat hypocrisy drives me out of my mind because they don't care about hypocrisy.
The fact that I have to show a vaccine card to get a sandwich in New York City is somehow fine.
But asking someone to show ID to prove who they are to vote on who runs the country is somehow racist.
It's insanity.
It's pure insanity.
This has nothing to do with voter rights.
This is their ability to harvest votes.
This is their ability to have the dead vote.
This is their ability to know exactly how, like what happened in New Jersey.
You know, you go to bed and Chicarelli is winning by 3% in Bergen and you wake up.
Oh, we found 3 million Malin votes in Bergen County.
Oh, well, you know, sorry.
Guess Murphy's going to be the governor for the next four years.
It's a big rising to the 2 million people that actually live in New York City.
Yeah, you know, it's just insane.
It's pure insanity, man.
So listen, I mean, and then they just change history all the time.
This goes back to the, you know, with the, with the, you know, they take down the videos.
It's Fahrenheit 451.
They're burning the books.
They're lying.
There's hypocrisy, but they don't care because at the end of the day, it's all about moving their narrative forward.
They don't care about lying.
Because again, they're not beholden to me and you.
They're beholden to the international community.
They care what Putin thinks, G thinks, Justin Trudeau thinks.
They don't care what me and you think because honestly, it doesn't matter to them.
Well, the one thing I agree with Michelle Obama or Michael is that there is a historic attack on voting rights going on.
Yeah, I don't know if the citizens' vote is being minimized.
The way you did that was very slick, but you're not going to be able to do it.
Well, let me say something to you, G.
I actually agree with a lot of what you had to say, especially with the Latinx stuff and all that.
I will say that I've never been one that has even thought that Michelle Obama was going to run.
Even when we talked about it in the last primary season, which was 2019, 2020, and it was still Bernie was still in it and Klobuchar was still in it and Pete Buttigiege and Bloomberg showed up and people started throwing around buzzwords, Michelle Obama, Michelle Obama.
I was always like, why would she do it?
Why would she do it?
It doesn't make sense.
I don't see it.
You said the Q score.
She is the number one in the country.
In my opinion, I love her.
The country loves her.
Women love her.
The country will love her.
Okay.
You said the highest Q score.
Yeah, yeah, but you can pull that up.
Pull up.
In the Democratic Party, she's equally as absolutely.
She's the highest Q score in the country.
I'm not even giving you my opinion.
Just pull it up.
But the point is this.
I think that the Democrats are going to get squashed in the midterms.
And I think someone's going to say in her ear, Biden's ain't going to run anymore.
Like, I think Trump is going to run.
And what a choice between Michelle Obama and Donald Trump.
And I feel like for the first time, this is where I'm actually giving credence to her possibly running.
We'll see.
It really doesn't.
I think Trump would be the worst case scenario because she couldn't bully him.
She's a bully.
He couldn't bully her.
She's a bully politician.
She wants to run as a victim, but it's impossible to see them as victims anymore.
I don't think she wants to run as a victim.
How could she play the victim when she's not first in politics?
Non-stop victim politics.
Pull up the Q score.
But the point is this.
Regardless, I, for the first time, actually think that she would consider running.
By the way, forget about whether you like her, you don't like her, et cetera, et cetera.
I think she's the best candidate they got.
I think she's the best candidate.
Give me a better person than Michelle Obama to run.
I can't.
That's my point.
Forget about what the Democratic Party is doing.
Give me one better.
Joe Manchin.
For them?
Not for them.
For you.
It's on them.
Democrats wouldn't get behind Joe Manchin.
Absolutely they would.
They would not get behind.
Do you know how many Democrats hate Joe Manchin?
You saw the Charlemagne the God interview with Kamala Harris?
They would not.
I don't think that that is the, I think that's the loudest voice in the room of the Democrats.
I don't think that's the prevailing Democrat.
Look at Joe Manchin, bro.
So anybody else?
Anybody else?
Okay, so Joe Manchin is a candidate for The Rock is better than Michelle.
I'm saying yes.
But you're saying The Rock is more capable of winning than Michelle.
No, no, no.
Michelle's the best candidate.
Okay, for sure.
Yeah, I agree.
That's the only thing The Rock's pretty good.
Anybody else?
Give me another one.
No current politician.
Zero current politicians in the Democratic Party.
No, if they're not.
If someone like Tom Hanks are showing up, this current incarnation of the Democrat Party is so unlikable.
The question is: who else?
That's Pat's question.
And the question is: if Biden is primaried, it's going to come from the far left, but none of those have national electability after the smoke clears.
You have Michelle Obama with national electability.
You've got Joe Manchin, who's kind of on the other side of the lightning rod, where the far lefts are going to completely throw up all over that.
So really, the question is: who else?
If he's going to be primaried and it's going to be a credible national candidate, right now, Michelle Obama is the only name on the campus.
So let me go to the next story here.
This is a blaze story.
Democrats now.
Now, what's your point, Pat, right?
Yeah.
Democrats now fear school closings will hurt them politically.
Chicago public schools have been closed since Wednesday because 73% of Chicago's teachers' union voted on Tuesday against returning to classroom and only teaching remotely.
Democrats are fretting that another school year interrupted by closures, distance learning, and uncertainty could hurt them in the future elections because they have close ties to the unions.
Democrats are concerned that additional closures like those in Chicago could lead to a possible replay of the party's recent loss in Virginia's governor race.
This is a New York Times story reported polling shows that school disruptions were an important issue for swing voters who broke Republican, particularly suburban white women.
Boom.
Do you see that happen in the midterms?
So you look at Virginia issue.
It's Rasmussen, not Fauci, who's going to determine the election, and that's what we're worried about now.
After Virginia, my wife saw this meme on social media, and it said, the wine mom giveth, and the wine mom taketh away.
I love that.
That's how I love it.
At the end of the day, Kim, are you listening?
You start messing with Mama Bear's kids, right?
And you start adding stress to her husband because now they're trying to figure out how to deal with child care.
And when both, like my wife works, I work, right?
I mean, now we're lucky enough that our kids are toddlers during this crazy time.
But if our kids were in school, lots of my friends, lots of my lots of my employees, this has caused a massive disruption in their household, which adds stress to the household.
You start adding stress to Mama Bear's household, and she's going to come out swinging.
And really, the only independent voters, I'm not changing your mind.
You're not changing my mind.
But you know what?
My wife can kind of look at some of the more social issues and things like that, where I tend to vote on economics.
And I think that story plays out around the country.
And so that's where I think you're going to see the, you start messing with the schools.
You're messing with Mama Bear.
And she thinks that her kids aren't getting the education that they need.
And she's going to come out fighting because she won't fight for herself all that well, but she will die on a hill for her.
We have a clear case example of what happened in Virginia with Gene Yunken and Terry McAuliffe.
And it's a critical race theory.
Like, I don't think that's even a major issue, but it's a major issue.
I'll tell you how right you are.
I mean, we sat down, we had an interview with Rudy Giuliani, which you guys can see at Mafia States of America, but he made a very interesting point where you can reduce the murder rates 20%, 30%, and nobody believes you because nobody ever sees a murder.
They think you're juicing it.
But if you get rid of the squeegee guys and you get rid of the graffiti, the quality of life crimes, everybody sees things improving.
So it's politics of burden.
Now, because of their politics, it's a burden on my household.
Now I'm pissed off.
They made it a burden on me.
Now they brought their politics to my doorstep, and I'm resentful about that.
That's a very good point.
The other thing is deeper, and I've heard people talk about this.
I'll tell you guys off air, they need the schools to reopen because that's where they know they control the narrative.
When the kids are at home and they're on the video games and you see Kyrie Irving is playing basketball because all of the vaccinated guys are sick with COVID, so they have to bring Kyrie, the unvaccinated guy, back to play.
Well, there's not a teacher to sit there and explain that away in the classroom to these 30 kids and manipulate and brainwash them.
Now they're sitting online playing Call of Duty with each other going like, oh, the governor, these guys are assholes.
So they need the kids in school because they need to control how they need to influence them essentially.
And the less that they're in.
But the less influence we have.
By the way, what you just said, what you just said is pretty wild.
And does that mean the conservatives are kind of playing a proxy saying, hey, then slow your roll with these kids going back to school?
Is that kind of what you're thinking?
I didn't think that, but now that you're saying it, it's like, you know, maybe we take one of the long game.
Oh, that's the theme of today's not.
Long game short.
I think you're giving the GOP way too much credit for any sort of foresight or ability to seize on a moment.
Oh, my God.
You know something?
It's really interesting is this comes full circle over a 10-year horizon with Pat and I. Pat and I were in a very wealthy California town down the street from Pepperdine University and heard Ed Gillespie and Terry McAuliffe gave a debate to about 70 people with Pat and I in the back saying, how do we get in here?
At the time.
But it was very, very cool.
And I thought Terry McAuliffe was very opinionated and too close to the too close to the third rail right then.
So it doesn't surprise me that he basically says offhand, and it wasn't a flub, it wasn't a gaff.
It's what he believed.
It was, I'm your nanny.
That's what he said, and that's what he believes.
And oh no, I really didn't believe that.
He lost on what he believed in.
And Mama Bear came to the polls and showed him real power from the 12% in the middle, where all elections are fought now.
It's only the 12 in the middle.
Five for green, 40 over here, 40 over here.
That's locked.
It's the 12 in the middle.
And he just discovered what the power of the independent voter really looks like.
Nick let it slip in the podcast a few weeks back, man, when he said that, no, I believe in a global federation.
We're like, you just advocated for a new world.
Sorry, Matt Zeller, my bad.
Sorry, my guy dominating and you're starting to throw him under the bus a lot.
But Matt Zeller's darn 100%.
He was like, yeah, we should get away from the nation state and we should have a global federation.
He's a former agency guy.
Who ran for Congress as a Democrat?
He and I can have a parking lot conversation.
By the way, you know what would be interesting?
Here's what would be interesting.
He's a fighter.
He's a feisty guy.
Love Sims and Tulsi Gabbard, bro.
Yeah, he's a spit in her face.
He said he'd spit in her face.
With COVID.
But with that, I'm talking with Jack Barski about bringing Jack Barski in on the podcast.
Jack Barski is a former KGB guy.
I know him.
And if we bring him on board, it'd be kind of interesting to bring the CIA because what he says is very weird, and I'd like to see somebody from the CIA hold him accountable.
Something we're going to have debates like this on this podcast.
Something tells me we're going to be doing this.
He says there's no such thing as an ex-KGB spy.
Putin said that.
But Jack and I can come together on the human trafficking issue and be like, hey, we don't agree on a lot, but we will freaking go to war against this issue.
So you'd want to do a podcast with Jack and you on it.
You talked about it.
I've got a conversation with Jack.
So maybe we'll coordinate that.
Okay, anyways, having said that, first podcast in a bank vault, this is officially in the books, and it actually worked.
I thought internet was going to give us issues.
I thought audio was going to give us issues.
We had no issues.
David and George in the back.
I don't know if George is back there.
I know David is back there.
Here we are.
We pulled off the first one.
Episode 114 is in the books.
We're going to do Thursday as well.
On Thursday, we have a special guest, by the way.
Special guest that's coming.
Former co-host of The View is who's going to be here Thursday.
We've been going back and forth.
Rosie O'Donnell.
No, Jedediah Bila will be here on Thursday on the podcast.
So tune in.
We will be together here Thursday on the podcast, 9 o'clock Eastern Standard Time.
