PBD - Patrick Bet-David - PBD Podcast | EP 112 | Special Guest: Brendan Schaub

Dec. 31, 2021 - PBD - Patrick Bet-David

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PBD Podcast | EP 112 | Special Guest: Brendan Schaub

FaceTime or Ask Patrick any questions on https://minnect.com/ PBD Podcast Episode 112. In this episode, Patrick Bet-David is joined by Brendan Schaub, Gerard Michaels and Adam Sosnick. Download the podcasts on all your favorite platforms https://bit.ly/3sFAW4N About Guests: Brendan Peter Schaub is an American podcast host, former professional mixed martial artist, and stand-up comedian. He is the host of The Fighter and the Kid podcast, the Below the Belt with Brendan Schaub podcast, and co-host of the King and the Sting podcast, along with fellow comedian Theo Von. Connect with him on social media here: https://bit.ly/32K4Sn6 Gerard Michaels is an award-winning Writer, Director, Actor, Podcaster and Comedian with over 40 million views online. Follow him on Instagram here: https://bit.ly/3fMja9z Adam “Sos” Sosnick has lived a true rags to riches story. He hasn’t always been an authority on money. Follow Adam on Instagram: https://bit.ly/2PqllTj. You can also check out his weekly SOSCAST here: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLw4s_zB_R7I0VW88nOW4PJkyREjT7rJic Get all official Valuetainment merch here: https://vtmerch.com Text: PODCAST to 310.340.1132 to get added to the distribution list PBD Podcast discusses current events, trending topics, and politics as they relate to life and business. Stay tuned for new episodes and guest appearances. Connect with Patrick on social media: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/patrickbetdavid/ Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/patrickbetdavid Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/PatrickBetDavid.Valuetainment About the host: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of a financial services firm and the creator of Valuetainment, the #1 YouTube channel for entrepreneurship with more than 3 million subscribers. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal bestseller Your Next Five Moves (Simon & Schuster) and a keynote speaker. Bet-David is passionate about shaping the next generation of leaders by teaching the fundamentals of entrepreneurship and personal development while inspiring people to break free from limiting beliefs to achieve their dreams. Follow the guests in this episode: Adam Sosnick: https://bit.ly/2PqllTj Gerard Michaels: https://bit.ly/3fMja9z Brendan Schaub: https://bit.ly/32K4Sn6 To reach the Valuetainment team you can email: info@valuetainment.com Want Patrick on your podcast? - http://bit.ly/329MMGB #PBDPodcast 00:00 - Start 4:10 - How Tough Are Mobsters? 10:53 - Who Was Brenden Schaub In High school? 16:54 - Brenden Schaub HATED Fighting 28:01 - What Gave Brenden His Athletic Edge? 31:38 - What Makes A Good Fighter? Genetics Or Skill? 35:57 - Jake Paul As A Boxer 41:19 - Who Is Celebrity Boxing Good For? 47:05 - What's Next For Brenden Schaub? 52:45 - How Brenden Got His Crew 57:53 - When Rogan Told Brenden To Leave The UFC 1:01:40 - Who's More Important In UFC; The Face Or The Leader 1:07:48 - Should Steroids Be Legal In Professional Sports? 1:17:31 - Brenden's Black belt Story 1:21:18 - Will UFC Outlast Boxing? 1:33:44 - NBA As a combat sport 1:37:01 - Betty White Has Died

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	I don't need Sammy the Bullet.
	I don't need Sammy the Bullet.
	I don't need our little sign like DMs with France.
	You don't think I'm so tough, man, Brendan.
	You want to say some stuff?
	Say it on Casino.
	Just so you know.
	We went live.
	I know.
	No, that's fine.
	Okay, good.
	Sammy the Bull comes into my hotel without a gun.
	How tall do you think he is?
	Short.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, first of all, folks, we have Brandon Shop today.
	UFC, I watch you come up, bro, from freaking Ultimate Fighter coming in, your fight against Crow Cop, who Crow Cop back in the days was like God to a bunch of people.
	Him and Fader.
	That's the era we watched, right?
	Those two guys.
	You went against Crow Cop.
	Yeah, so, and then Comedy and then Rogan, and then you guys got your own show with you and Brian Callan.
	Brian Callan, which Brian Callan, funny story.
	One time I go to a show, a Cavalia and Burbank.
	So it's me and Jen.
	This is 2010.
	We go to Cavalio.
	I turn around.
	I'm like, I recognize this guy's face.
	I said, brother, why do you look so familiar?
	He said, well, you know, his personality like all over the place.
	He freaking all, everybody loves this guy, right?
	Yeah.
	I said, you were the, you had.
	You're the guy.
	You're the guy in every movie that you just don't remember.
	But from the hangover, he was, you don't remember Avi.
	What do you think about that?
	Extremely charismatic, charming guy, non-stop energy.
	But anyways, it's great to have you here.
	I'm glad we got a jacket together.
	Yeah, big fan, man.
	Yeah.
	Appreciate you.
	So you were saying Sammy, right?
	You were talking about— Yeah, I had a question for you guys because, again, Brian's a big fan of all that mafia stuff.
	He won't shut up about it.
	And he was talking about how tough they are.
	And I propose the question, are they actually tough?
	Like tough?
	Like, I guess what's your definition of tough?
	Well, tough is if you do a street fight one-on-one.
	I mean, it's not even a, that's not the world.
	So you're not dealing with that kind of tough.
	The tough of their world is the amount of influence they have and who they had in their pockets and how much business they control.
	But you're talking power, right?
	That's power.
	Different.
	Very different.
	Of course it is.
	It's very different.
	You know, if you want to go into a...
	They're tough to go against.
	Yeah, like the unions.
	But I'm going to tell you this.
	So Sammy's sitting here, Adam's sitting here, okay?
	The entire time, Adam, he's 6'1.
	Adam's an athlete.
	Adam was a...
	He called me skinny, but whatever.
	I mean...
	He's got 6'4.
	I think we need to define the term athlete as well.
	You guys are very loose with these.
	By the way, descriptions.
	Athlete, tough.
	The guy, the guy.
	Call and funny, you know?
	The guy that's actually could be an athlete, these two guys play.
	So him, he's the best, they call him the best Jewish athlete out of Miami.
	I don't know what that means.
	It's like being like the tallest midget out of Miami.
	That's kind of what they would say, this guy, all right?
	It's like winning gold in the special line.
	Exactly.
	That's me right here.
	Pretty useful.
	So we go to dinner with Sammy, and then we do a podcast, and Adam decides to ask a question from Sammy.
	What did you say?
	So, Sammy, so you've been around the block for a while.
	Yeah.
	Let's use your knowledge of history to our advantage.
	He goes, whoa, you fucking call me oldie.
	What are you like?
	How old is he?
	He's 70.
	Mid-70s.
	We're doing that.
	I'm like, dude, I'm not asking you.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But you know what?
	I will tell you.
	So I haven't interviewed a lot of them.
	There was one guy, Frank Collada.
	I don't know if you've seen the movie Casino.
	If you've seen the movie Casino.
	Yeah, he wasn't.
	So Frank Collada is, do you know in the scene casino where they go and he puts a guy's head in a vice?
	The vice on pops his eyes.
	He's like, that's the name?
	That's who you're saving?
	Yeah.
	That Frank Collada I interviewed.
	When he walked into the room, it's cold as ice.
	You felt his spirit.
	Capable.
	Capable, not like this, but capable like this.
	Capable in many different ways.
	It doesn't make it tough.
	But here's the thing, though.
	It makes you a socio-pack.
	But let me ask you, though, that's like saying, like, are wide receivers tough?
	Because they're not going to beat up an offensive lineman in a fist.
	Heinz Ward was.
	Yeah, but I'm just saying, there's different spots on the team.
	Everybody has a role to play.
	But there's some receivers that put it on you, man.
	Then there's a lot of people.
	No matter what setup.
	So let me ask you.
	You played in Nick Defensia.
	Again, we're loose with the term NFL.
	I just want to be very clear.
	I had a cappuccino with the Buffalo Bills.
	And then they're like, well, we're all set on slow white.
	Well, how good was that?
	That makes sense.
	How good was a cappuccino?
	Not good.
	Very sour and short.
	So question.
	Question.
	If you measure toughness, you're talking sports here.
	If you measure toughness, what sport would you say produces the toughest guys?
	This is four sports.
	Not even a question.
	Four sports.
	NFL, NHL, NBA.
	Go from the toughest to the least toughest.
	NBA is least.
	Least divas.
	Yeah.
	Because their pedigree, like when they're like 13, you know, they're getting like limbos and shit.
	Yeah, they've been rich.
	They're not tough.
	Got it.
	NFL is pretty tough.
	NFL is pretty tough.
	Second.
	Ahead of NHL.
	Here's why NHL doesn't count.
	They're all white guys.
	They've been missing teeth, though.
	I mean, that's right.
	I know, but they're on ice and they're in Canada.
	That's all there is to do.
	And also, it's not a worldwide sport.
	You're allowed to have a boxing match in the world.
	Timeouts.
	Timeout.
	You just said the NHL is not a worldwide sport, but the NFL and the NBA are.
	No.
	Well, NBA is for sure.
	Half the people in the NHL got nothing but contents in their name.
	They all come from North America.
	They're touching Swedish.
	They're talking about it.
	They come from Sweden.
	Sweden.
	They're about to get a lot of Nordic speakers.
	They're not going to hate their brethren.
	Oh, no.
	I don't want that.
	The point is they're all white.
	You know what I'm saying?
	What do you mean by that?
	What do you mean when you say they're all white?
	It's tough because if you look at basketball, it's a global sport.
	Soccer is a global sport.
	Fighting's a global sport.
	So you're getting the best of the very best.
	And the NHL, as soon as black guys are like, what the?
	Is this a pair of skates?
	They're fucked.
	All those European white guys are fucked up.
	I'm breaking news.
	That's not happening anytime soon.
	Well, never say never.
	Okay.
	We'll see.
	Let's see how they're capping.
	Oh, you're saying there could be a major surge of going to hockey.
	Yeah.
	You're all those black guys skating out there.
	You know, they're coming for your job.
	NASCAR driver.
	The Rangers got Keondre Miller and Ryan Reeves, man.
	Here we go.
	There you go.
	We're on the way to the cup, obviously.
	By that logic, the Rangers already have one spot out.
	We've left one sport out.
	So it's NHL at the top or you put NFL at the top.
	No, I'll agree.
	NHL, they're pretty fucking tough.
	The amount of strain, and then also their schedule, the work schedule is a beast.
	Okay.
	So you put NHL, NFL.
	So now the debates between MLB and NBA.
	So who is it?
	ML Blast.
	MLB.
	NBA is dead last.
	MLB is MLB.
	So you had a good story you told yesterday about one time when you hit this bomb that you hit this homer in Minor.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There was a brawl.
	I'm the only guy that ever got a nine-game suspension for a home run that didn't count.
	I hit a home run.
	It's a long, long story.
	Did you start bread?
	Isn't it like frowned upon if you like flip the battle?
	That's what that's funny, man.
	That's called entertainment.
	Hate tickets, though.
	Yeah, well, this is the thing.
	It was Cub Scout Day at the stadium, so the commissioner was pretty pissed off that we started a 45-minute brawl with nothing but 5,000 cub stats in it.
	In the stands.
	So, yeah.
	Basically, what happened was there was an old pitcher named Duan Brazleton.
	He was a first-round draft pick.
	Yeah, it was a first-round draft pick.
	He's from Florida, tough dude.
	And, you know, he got a little chatty with me.
	I got a little chatty back at him.
	He threw a fastball.
	Wasn't fast enough.
	I enjoyed it a little bit too long, I guess.
	And his catcher decided to punch me in the face when I came across one play.
	And then the bench is cleared.
	Bench is cleared.
	I was about to get absolute, I was about to get absolutely destroyed.
	The entire dugout for them comes out, ready to come and get me as I'm tussling on the ground with their catcher.
	And I'm literally at this point, I've got him in hold, and I'm thinking like, oh, shit.
	And then Antonio Alfonseca Googled his dude.
	Is this all like Dominican?
	Dude, he was an all-star in the big leagues.
	He's down here with us.
	He's like 6'8, 400 pounds.
	He's got six fingers on both hands, six toes, El Pupo Re.
	And out of nowhere, this angel, this giant Dominican 400-pound angel comes swooping in and tackles their entire team before they get to me, man.
	That guy saved your life.
	I owe everything I have to this day.
	Now, Gerard, were you disappointed?
	To Antonio Apoteca?
	No, I was beautiful.
	I'd be the biggest baseball player.
	I was $200.
	Offensive guard.
	225 pounds of beautiful college.
	Did you play football too or no?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I played football so well, they let me play baseball.
	Makes sense.
	Brendan, when you played your cappuccino with the Bills, what position were you?
	Tight end.
	Okay.
	You had some wheels.
	Oh, yeah.
	And you had some hands?
	Yeah, I played at the University of Colorado before that.
	And then, yeah.
	You were in Buffalo.
	Yep.
	And you're from Colorado, right?
	You grew up in the middle of the day.
	From raised, Denver.
	Who were you in high school?
	What do you mean?
	Who were you in high school?
	If we're in high school, you're 16, 17 years old, who were you in high school?
	I was, I think I was 6'2, 170 pounds, so I was like a late bloomer.
	And then I was friends with, you know, there's jocks, so I obviously played football, so I was a jock, played football and lacrosse, but I was friends with everybody.
	I was the guy who had all the friends.
	Football and lacrosse.
	So you were tough, but no hand-eye coordination.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Did you play Division I?
	No, no.
	Okay, cool.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	Where were you saying?
	I'm sorry.
	He came ready.
	He tells him a minor league fight star.
	Oh, no, sorry.
	Colorado.
	Brendan Shaw was a good person.
	Colorado favorite guest ever.
	That's the one with the female kicker.
	Oh, not when I was playing.
	Top 10, Bob.
	You don't want to play this game with him.
	Okay, so Juan, who was there when you were?
	Was Jeremy Bloom there?
	Jeremy Bloom.
	Yeah.
	Jeremy Bloom, Horns Vickers, Joel Clatt.
	Joel Clatt's the voice of Fox now for college football.
	This is post-Cordell Stewart.
	This is the Cordell Stewart.
	Cordell Stewart's 94.
	Rashawn Salam.
	Cordell Stewart.
	What a name.
	Slash.
	Yep.
	So I've been to a, I lived in Denver.
	I actually used to do stand-up at the Comedy Works.
	Oh, yeah.
	We were just there.
	At six.
	Great place.
	And the one thing that I remember being at a Colorado Buffalo game, it was third down.
	It would be a key play.
	You would take out your keys.
	The whole fucking stadium is just doing the little key jingle.
	Did you catch the ball on third down and third and 16?
	Did you catch it?
	Sometimes.
	Okay.
	Yeah, when I was there, we were good.
	Gary Barnett days, yeah, we were good.
	Who was the coach?
	Gary Barnett.
	Yeah.
	Came from Northwestern.
	Used to be a great program.
	I don't know what happened to the program.
	Yeah.
	Great program.
	Yeah, Dicey.
	But, bro, living in Washington.
	By the way, what causes those programs to change?
	You get a program that is it the head coach?
	The head coach takes all these cheating boosters with him together.
	The coaching and recruiting.
	So Gary Barnett got in trouble my senior year.
	He got fired after that because that was the Katie Oneida, the female kicker you're talking about.
	There was some issue with her and sexual allegations with the players.
	So he got fired over that, which is insane.
	And then they went the complete opposite way.
	And then they hired this guy, Hawkins, who was from Boise State.
	Soft.
	Soyboy.
	So he gets there and he recruits like all these small white guys with good grades.
	That's how you build a program.
	That's what the SEC does.
	And they've never come back from that.
	Just to be clear, Brendan, what is a soy boy?
	Soyboy.
	I never heard this term.
	No.
	Get out of here.
	By the way, his nickname is Soy Boy.
	I'm being serious.
	He runs that really nice.
	That's what everybody runs.
	He runs the Soy Boy Mafia in the Kagan.
	Oh, wow.
	Be easy with your words here, bro.
	Yeah.
	What is it, in your opinion?
	Opposite of Sammy the Bull.
	That made sense, the fact that you sat across from him.
	Not a killer.
	Yeah, not a killer.
	By the way, the only thing heterosexual about Adam is that he likes women.
	That's true.
	You're not gay.
	You're not gay, but your boyfriend.
	He does that.
	There you go.
	Go back to it, Dill.
	Go back to it, Dill, because what program has stayed relevant for a long time?
	Frickin' Alabama.
	Alabama Donald Trump.
	No, Alabama was bad back in the day.
	Before Nick Saban, they were bad.
	But they were bad at like 18 years old.
	Ohio State.
	No, no, but far and away.
	Ohio State family.
	I'm asking 40 years.
	Is there like a legacy type of a college?
	Notre Dame's usually the oldest competitive in Notre Dame before everything.
	Michigan, Michigan, Ohio State have been relevant for the family.
	But Notre Dame to me is like one of those schools, like it's famous for being famous.
	They've never won any which one?
	Notre Dame.
	What have they won?
	They've won nothing.
	They won back in the day, but yeah, they were famous.
	They haven't done anything since then.
	Yeah, like, you know, what are you talking about?
	Notre Dame?
	They're famous for being famous.
	What have they done in 30 years?
	In 30 years?
	They're famous for Rudy.
	They're always good, though.
	But then they don't have a home, right?
	Like, because they're independent.
	So they're never in a conference.
	So they'll have championship games.
	But then they're always on TV.
	They always get primetime games.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I wonder because college, you know, your guys are changing every four years.
	So you may build a legacy with a popovic and you got a Tim Duncan and Parker for like 15 years and you can win back-to-back-to-back college.
	You got to like.
	So does it really come down to the coach?
	I think it comes down to the boosters.
	The coach has comes down to recruiting.
	Recruiting.
	Recruiting.
	I think it's the same.
	To your point, you mentioned basketball.
	Basketball is even tougher because those boys can play one year and go to the NFL.
	That's right.
	Or NBA.
	So it's impossible if you're a basketball coach.
	So then does it come down to coaching?
	Like you think about like Kentucky.
	You know, Kentucky's got Calapari.
	Does it come down to yeah, Calaparti and I were sitting on talking to the I'm like, so how do you recruit?
	What is the recruiting style?
	Did he say money?
	I mean, that's a different guy.
	Sat down with USC's Mike Garrett, who was their athletic director.
	Yeah.
	And I'm saying it's like 15 years ago.
	I said, so Mike, I'm trying to sell him a policy.
	And I was introduced to him by one of the guys.
	Anyway, so I'm like, so Mike, how you doing?
	He says, let me tell you how I'm doing.
	He opens the door.
	You see that kid right there?
	How tall is he?
	I said, he's pretty tall.
	I sat next to him.
	He's seven feet tall.
	Oh, wow.
	And he's 16 years old.
	And everybody in America wants him here.
	Now, watch you sitting next to him.
	Who's in the next hill?
	So he's you sitting next to him?
	That's his mom.
	You know why she's here?
	She wants me to give her a million bucks.
	Now, what do I do?
	What do I do?
	Coach Calderon.
	No, no, no, this is Garrett.
	Garrett was a Heisman Trophy winner for USC years ago, years ago, who becomes the athletic director for USC.
	This is the Carroll era.
	This is the Reggie Bush era.
	That's like that era.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's like an era, by the way.
	Best era.
	Before NILs, this is why I'm saying boosters.
	Like, you can't.
	John Calapari can't go to that dude's mother and give him a million dollars.
	But John Calapari can go to a friend of the program, Patrick Bed David, and be like, you know what?
	Booster.
	Yeah, you know what?
	His mom's an accountant, great accountant.
	You need accountants, don't you, Patrick?
	You've got a job open for $2 million, don't you, Patrick?
	And there's nothing wrong with you.
	You can hire whoever you want to hire.
	And as long as that player goes to Big State U, that mom gets that $2 million.
	It's the movie Blue Chips.
	Brandon, going back to you.
	So, you know, you watch the video when, I don't know if you've seen the video where Dwayne Johnson's sitting down, I think with WME or whoever he's sitting down with, and he says, you know, I want to be the Will Smith, except bigger.
	Right?
	Here's what I want to be.
	And he gives us a message.
	He gives us talk that I want to be this guy.
	I think it's even a message he's given to the Lakers one time in the locker room.
	It's a real good video to watch.
	And then you watch, you know, his playbook.
	Maybe he came and he took the Hulk Hogan route.
	You know, Hulk Hogan was before The Rock, it was like Hulk Hogan, right?
	He was the guy.
	And then, you know, he kind of takes that angle.
	The Rock becomes who he becomes.
	And after his first fight, he says, I'm not going to play the bad guy.
	I'm always going to be the good guy.
	I don't want to play the villain.
	He never wanted to play the villain, right?
	And he takes that route.
	What route are you taking?
	Because I feel like there's a couple routes.
	One route is you come in, so you're an athlete.
	Obviously, you're an athlete.
	I mean, you're a qualified athlete.
	This is not no minor leagues or, you know, you're talking about your qualified athlete.
	You had your cappuccino.
	Nobody here at Cappuccino with the Buffalo Bills.
	At least you made it to that level, right?
	And then you go UFC.
	So is there a route there where you were thinking about it?
	You seem like a smart guy.
	You're not a guy that's like doing it just to wing it.
	No.
	What was your route are you taking?
	God, that's a good question.
	I don't know if it's a route.
	None of it's pre-planned, but I think growing up an idea what I wanted to do.
	And then I was gifted athletically and the neighborhood I grew up in in Aurora, Colorado was predominantly black.
	So the way to be like to fit in was to be good at sports.
	I was like, all right, well, this is going to get me through so I don't get bullied and stuff.
	So I gravitated towards sports because I had just a talent for it.
	So that's how I made friends through sports stuff like that.
	But my passion was like, I'd watch Saturday Night Live with my mom.
	So I wanted to be like Adam Sandler.
	But in Denver, and like, there was no like outlet for that.
	So I was like, I guess I do sports.
	But I was the funny guy in the locker and stuff like that.
	And then got to the UFC.
	And then I just ran the UFC.
	Like, if you had Nate Diaz sitting here or Connor or Kane Velasquez or Francis Ghana and you asked about fighting, they love it.
	It's all they want to do.
	I hated it.
	Really?
	I was just good at it.
	Really?
	I fucking hated it.
	What'd you hate about it?
	It was just so stressful.
	I don't like to hurt people.
	Like my coaches in training are like, man, you got to go hard.
	I'm like, I don't want to hurt them, man.
	And they're like, you got to go hard.
	And it's just, it's not my nature.
	I'm not an aggressive person.
	I'm not a violent person.
	How'd you get into the fight?
	Got into fighting because I got cut from the bills.
	And then I was this big athletic dude.
	And I always liked the UFC.
	Now selling supplements door to door and I need to stay in shape.
	So I started to do jiu-jitsu.
	And I sat up the first day and they're like, man, you're pretty good.
	I was like, really?
	Like, yeah.
	We have a big guy because you need to go with another big guy.
	He'll be here tomorrow.
	He drives down from Greeley, which is like two hours away.
	He goes, he comes every Tuesday, Thursday.
	He'll be good for you to train with.
	And he needs a bigger guy to train.
	He's just starting out too.
	Like, all right, whatever.
	So I get there the next day, an hour early, and in walks Shane Carwin.
	And if you know Shane Carwin, he's the UFC heavyweight champ.
	He started up, Tyler.
	Beast.
	We started together.
	What year is this?
	2007.
	That's something a lot of people don't know.
	You just gave great insight into the martial arts world.
	When you're a bigger dude and you're fighting, there's such a dearth of talent that anybody that's in the heavyweight or light heavyweight that you come up with, it's hard to spar with these dudes and come up with them because you're going to end up fighting them eventually.
	Oh, yeah.
	Because this is the guy right here.
	There's nothing badass, huh?
	This guy?
	Yeah, UFC heavyweight champion, like one of the hardest hitters of all time.
	But then, you know, he was older.
	He was like 36 and I was, I was young, man.
	So I didn't have money.
	I was broke, but he paid for all my training just so I trained with him.
	And then.
	Now, when you're training with him, is he peaking or is he a little bit past peak?
	He's peaking.
	He is peaking.
	36.
	Yeah, I got my ass whipped.
	So you're in the dick.
	He's a perfect teacher for you, though, right?
	Yeah, so I learned so much from him.
	So then he got into the UFC and then I was training.
	And again, I was selling Supplement Store Door and I'm making a lot of money living with my brother.
	And then he goes, hey, Golden Gloves is next week, the big boxing tournament.
	And I was like, kind of boxing, not really.
	Like, I do it to stay in shape.
	And he's like, I signed you up for it.
	I'm like, what?
	He's like, I signed you up.
	You're doing it.
	And I'm corny.
	I'm like, dude, I don't want to do golden gloves.
	He's like, just do it.
	See how you do.
	So I go there.
	I remember telling my dad, because, you know, I have a double major.
	He's like, dude, use your degree.
	My dad's a businessman.
	He's like, use your fucking degree.
	I was like, man, man, I'm going to try this fighting thing.
	No, I want to get kicked in the head for 30 years.
	And then he was completely against it.
	I said, all right, dad, they signed me up for Golden Gloves.
	It's the biggest national boxing tournament.
	If I win that, I want you to give me your blessing to continue fighting.
	If I lose, I'll do whatever you want.
	I'll work for you.
	You're talking to pops.
	Talking pops.
	Okay, got it.
	So he comes to this Golden Gloves tournament in Denver, Colorado.
	And it's like pretty hoodie, man.
	I'm the only white kid.
	It's all Mexican black kids.
	And they're like, you're in the audience and your coach is rapping your hands.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	And then they give you your gloves and it's from the previous fight.
	So they're bloody and sweaty.
	Not for me.
	Anyone knows me?
	I'm like a germaphobe.
	I was like, God the fuck am I doing it?
	And then so it was a nightmare, nightmare.
	And then, oh, and then in boxing, traditional boxing, amateur boxing, you can't have a beard.
	So they made me shave.
	So I have this mustache.
	Everyone thinks I'm this big Mexican.
	So I go, so I go up there and, you know, I had six fights.
	I won all the fights by knockout.
	Really?
	So you came in there and dominated.
	With headgear.
	Wow.
	One day.
	Six fights one day?
	Three the first night, three the next night.
	And then when I get to the championship fight, they're wrapped my hands and I was fighting a guy who was 46-0 in the Army.
	He won all his fights in the army, he's undefeated.
	Big black guy, probably 6'7.
	And he's walking, I'll never forget.
	He's walking by and they wrap my hands.
	My dad's my dad, you know, my dad's not familiar with the fight game.
	He goes, Jesus Christ.
	He goes, My dad goes, Jesus Christ.
	Who is he fighting?
	Me, dad.
	You can't, he goes, you can't do this.
	You shouldn't do this.
	I go, no, let's see how it goes.
	And I knocked him out in the second round.
	Knocked this dude out.
	Yeah, my dad's like, maybe you can do this.
	How cool is that in front of that, though?
	So you ended up winning the tournament?
	What were you doing in the tournament?
	Yeah.
	Dude.
	So you're like this like accidental champion.
	We're like, I don't know, dad.
	I think you got that bang.
	And then from there, like the next month, they signed me up for an MMA fight, and then I won that in 36 seconds.
	And then I had one more fight, won that in a minute.
	And then I was training with like GSP, Rashad Evans, Shane Carwin, all these guys.
	And Rashad goes, hey, you know, the next ultimate fighter is heavyweights.
	Okay, cool.
	And he goes, you should do it.
	And I go, I don't know if that's for me, man, because I still wasn't sure what I was going to do.
	And then I get a call from them and they're like, hey, we'd love for you to come to the interviews.
	So I skipped all the tryouts, everything, because Rashad was like, this is the guy.
	So I go to the interviews and I've always had like gift of the gab, like talk shit.
	Like I'm, you know, so I get in there and just blow the interview away and they're like, yeah, you're in.
	Who's the interview?
	Who's interviewing you?
	The interview is Dana, the UFC, and then all, at the time, it's on spikes.
	So what did they ask him?
	Just like, hey, how do you feel about this?
	Well, what if this guy does?
	And then, because I've always, I'm a smaller heavyweight.
	Yeah.
	And they go, you're, remember when I walked in, they go, you're too small.
	You're too small.
	No, we're good.
	And they're fucking when they go.
	How different are you size-wise than today?
	I'm 250 now.
	It's probably 235.
	50 pounds, not a big difference.
	Not crazy, but they're like, oh, you're too small.
	And you're what, six four?
	Yeah, they go, you're too small, we're good.
	But they're fucking when they see what I'm doing.
	I go, too small.
	I was like, I bet you I fucking win this thing.
	Like, sit down.
	And then I just started, you know, giving them shit.
	And then I was in the house.
	And then I remember all these like war stories from guys, like how tough it is and how terrible it is.
	And to me, I was like, hold on.
	Hold on.
	It's six weeks.
	You give me any food that I want that I want to order, any drink I want.
	I just can't talk to my family or friends.
	I was like, this is.
	It's vacation.
	This is like, well, we want this chocolate factory.
	You cannot talk to family and friends.
	No, yeah.
	But in fairness, you're not cutting weight though.
	No, yeah.
	No, no communication with outdoor outside world.
	No magazines, no TV.
	You're with 16 other dudes in a house.
	The only time you leave the house is to train.
	So they want animosity.
	Holy man.
	And then they give you all the liquor you want.
	All the liquor you want.
	God, you're drunk and then just lippy.
	Great strategy.
	Turn the air conditioning off, break the thermostat.
	It's like the real world mixed with actual real fighters.
	And so my season, which was the biggest season of all time, not because of me, because Kimbo Slice was on there, Roy Nelson.
	But I was in the house.
	So for me, it was like going through football, right?
	Like I walked down to New York City, Colorado, earned a scholarship.
	Like to me, the grind, I've always embraced that.
	So I was like, oh, I'm going to be so much more mentally tough than these guys.
	So we're in the hot tub.
	Never forget this first night we're in the hot tub.
	And this big black guy, Domic Rogers, everyone's scared of this guy.
	And I remember we were like sipping a beer or something like that.
	He was, I didn't drink at all in the house.
	At all the six weeks?
	No, consciously, or you just don't drink.
	I found it as a sign of weakness.
	So I'd pick up on things and look for weakness.
	So he was in the hot tub.
	He goes, man, I just want to win one.
	And then at least get to the finale.
	If you just win one.
	And when I heard him say, if I just win one, I went, oh, I'm picking him.
	So that next morning, I go to our head coach, Rashad Evans.
	I said, I want to fight D'Amico Rogers first.
	He goes, dude, that's their number one pick.
	That's a terrible idea.
	I go, I'm fucking telling you, dude.
	Give me him.
	Because you thought he was mentally weak.
	Yeah, I thought he wanted it out.
	Yeah, I thought he wanted it.
	Do those count as pro fights when you do that?
	No.
	They don't.
	Which is insane.
	So you don't get paid for that.
	You get paid, but it's just whatever the UFC pays you.
	No shit.
	It's not like sanctioned by the commission, even though the commission's there.
	But because it's two rounds, it doesn't get classified as a pro fight, but everybody's a pro in there.
	And the reason they do that, because they don't want the results getting out to the public before the show airs.
	Crazy destiny shit, man.
	You just wanted to stay in shape.
	So you thought like murder hugging would be a fun little hobby to get into.
	So you picked that guy.
	Picked that guy, beat him, and then was off to the races.
	And then they give me the worst matchup possible.
	This is John, John Madison, who was a four-time all-American wrestler, national champion, undefeated guy.
	And the first round, he's just whooping my ass, mopping the floor.
	And I'm like, there's no way I go out like that.
	I remember him on top of me, elding that.
	I'm like, there's no way I go out like this, man.
	And then the second round came and I saw him getting tired.
	I'm like, yes.
	And then he was standing there.
	I just feel right hand, boom, knocked him out.
	Got him.
	Made it to the semifinal against Marcus Jones, who was a former first-round draft pick in the NFL, played for Tampa Bay for a number of years.
	Monster.
	And worst case scenario, like, do not let him get on top of you.
	We don't care what happens.
	Don't let him get on top of you.
	And within 30 seconds, he's on top of me, gets full amount.
	He's raining elbows down on me.
	Somehow I get out of it.
	And then we're in the clinch and he's way bigger than me.
	And he takes my head and just knees me right in the nose.
	And it's the first time I've ever like broke my nose.
	I just remember, like, my nose is all the way over here.
	And then again, there's something in me going, there's no way we go out like this, man.
	And then just a right hand, boom, knock him out.
	And I'm doing Snow Angels inside the middle.
	Bro, I have a question for you.
	I have a question for you, Brendan.
	And then, and I remember I grabbed Dana because I was so excited.
	I'm picking him up.
	And he goes, bro, your nose.
	I go, what's wrong?
	He goes, feel your nose.
	And I go to feel.
	I'm like, whatever the fuck?
	And it was.
	It's touching your ear.
	So here's my corner.
	Bro, your nose.
	You kind of, like, a lot of these stories are surprising, right?
	Like, because you kind of led with, you know, slow, athletic, white guy, cappuccino.
	You're a human badass.
	This is faux.
	So what's your, meaning, are you, like, you're knocking these dudes out.
	You're winning the golden glove thing.
	And your dad's surprised.
	Like, were you just faster, stronger, mentally tougher?
	What was your but again, I think because of my perspective, our definition of athletic is completely different.
	There's levels to the game.
	There's levels to it.
	For sure.
	It's like, you know, I had a rich friend growing up.
	Compared to the rich friend I have, that guy's fucking dirt, but like there's levels to everything.
	There's no question.
	So I think like I'm not Kane Velasquez.
	So to me, like now that I'm older and I have success in comedy and podcasting, I can look back at it and go, damn, at least getting a shot in the NFL is pretty good, man.
	Getting to the UFC, being ranked in the top 10 in the world, pretty good, dude.
	But at the time, it was a failure.
	I felt like a loser, man.
	It took years to get over that.
	But state of life.
	Usually I wouldn't even talk about it.
	Usually, I wouldn't even talk about fighting.
	This is recent for me.
	Like, probably in the last year, I've started talking more about fighting.
	Usually I don't talk about fighting.
	Why is that?
	I don't know.
	Emotional or is it like?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	But because I want to be taken so serious as a comic, my manager would be like, no fighting questions.
	Let me ask you, did you get into fighting?
	I know you say you just stay in shape.
	Dude, I was joking with them.
	My story is eerily similar to yours.
	You're just way better at it at every step of the level.
	I was like, I'm fucking great value Brendan Schaub.
	This sucks, dude.
	You're knockoff, Brendan.
	I'm Walmart.
	You're Schmenden Schmaub over here.
	So I got into MMA after baseball didn't work out because I had nothing.
	The whole time I was playing ball, all I wanted to do was make money.
	I was like, dude, I fell out of love with the game.
	And I'm like, if I just made money, I'd be the happiest guy in the world.
	My girl left me, not making any money, traveling the course of the world.
	My father's saying the same thing.
	I get a contract to go play in Korea and I'm like, this is my big break, dad.
	I'm going to Korea, gonna play ball for 60 grand.
	Like Tom Salak and Mr. B.
	And my dad broke it down.
	No, my dad broke it down.
	He was like, I just want you to understand, you're 25.
	Your big break is to make 60 grand in the third world country.
	And you're still doing this.
	God damn it, dad.
	All right, so I'm out.
	And now, you know, two years later, I'm doing pharmaceutical sales like every other dropout, making more money I ever thought I'd make in my life.
	Suicidal.
	I hated everything about my life.
	Got into jiu-jitsu, all this other stuff, was good at it, started fighting.
	But at the whole time I was doing that, all I was doing was chasing the failure.
	All I was doing was chasing that failure.
	Yeah, to stick with you.
	And I'm wondering, like, with you, with football and everything like that, you put everything in your life.
	You walk on, you could have quit at any point.
	It kept rising to the challenge, rising to the challenge.
	At that point, were you like, I still haven't reached the mountaintop.
	I got to find a new mountain.
	I got to prove to myself I can see it.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	It's a mountaintop, but I think a lot of things, like, and officially, you've accomplished this.
	It's like a lot of people, if they get labeled as a fighter or a football player, like that sticks with them.
	That stuff, I never care about the labels.
	Even back then.
	No, I never viewed myself as just a football player, just a fighter, just a comic, ever.
	And then I've also never, ever, ever in my life done anything for money.
	Nothing.
	Stand-up, podcasting, nothing's ever for money.
	If it's good and the content's out there, hopefully the money comes.
	If not, I loved it.
	You're good with it.
	Good with it.
	Got it.
	Like my shows in Florida, I should be paying them.
	I don't care.
	I mean, I'm glad they're going to be able to get them.
	Oh, don't tell the bookers that.
	You're having that much fun doing it.
	You're having that much fun doing that.
	I want to go back.
	I want to go back.
	So, question, I got two boys.
	I'm asking it for a different reason.
	I'm not nine and eight.
	So I want to go back to how long did you train to box?
	What's the total timeline from the day you started training to you winning those three fights two days in a row, six and oh?
	Three months.
	Okay.
	So here's my question for you.
	Were you a street fighter?
	No.
	My brother was.
	So he was.
	This is your brother.
	Yeah, that's my older brother.
	He's my manager, too.
	So you were tour manager.
	So you were the fighter.
	You fought.
	Yeah, he had anger issues.
	So he's your older brother.
	He'd pick on you as a kid or?
	Oh, dude.
	My record against him is like 1 in 70,000.
	He's like, he's flexing right now.
	How old were you when he got him?
	I was like eight.
	He was 10.
	I beat his ass, bro, man.
	But every other time, he was taking that ass down.
	But bad, bad, bad, bad.
	Yeah, we had to go to anger management and shit.
	Yeah, he has issues.
	But what I'm asking is like, he's better now.
	He's better now.
	He seems like very likable.
	The kids in Aurora, did they fear him?
	Yes.
	That's what I'm asking.
	They feared him, but not me.
	Not you.
	You were the fun guy.
	Let's hang out.
	Let's party with him.
	But man, I don't want to mess with him.
	Correct.
	Like, if you mess with me, I'll mess with my brother.
	But this is kind of where I want to go.
	This is where I want to go.
	I'm looking at the model, right, on how this thing works.
	So I know guys that trained boxing for six years and they're still not golden gloves.
	Yes.
	Okay.
	You go, you're an athlete.
	You come and you start boxing.
	Three months later, boom, you're winning six and under.
	You win a big fight.
	Hey, golden gloves champion.
	Now you're making an X ride on you.
	Your pop sees you knocking out the guy that there's no way this is going to be taking place.
	How much of this is pure athleticism?
	How much of it is purely genetics?
	How much of it is a guy can come off the street as a football player, you know, who's a full-on athlete, get in the ring and fight?
	Because we're seeing what's going on today.
	A lot of these guys that are, it's not working out.
	So that's what I'm trying to say.
	So where was it where you had the edge over your opponents, even though you've only trained boxing for three months and you're not like a street fighter?
	No, yeah, I think the mentality, I just, to me, I like, I just always outworked everybody.
	Always, even in three months.
	But three months is not a long time.
	It's not a long time, but I was around like greatness.
	I had a great coach.
	And then I think, you know, athletic ability is a big thing.
	And then toughness is a really, really big thing, especially at the golden gloves level.
	Like, toughness is huge.
	Just why you're asking those questions about how tough the mafia guys are.
	You're obsessed with toughness a lot.
	I'm not.
	I don't mean it like this.
	No, I hear you.
	No, I'm not.
	I'm just curious.
	Like, do we think they're tough?
	Like, like that, what's that?
	The Iceman killer?
	Like, the man who killed all those guys?
	Like, you're talking about a serial killer.
	These guys are fucking serial killers, and we idolize them.
	Like, these guys aren't shit, man.
	You can put that gun down and take off your fucking Armani suit.
	I got some friends that beat the shit out of you.
	That's like from Friday, the pops.
	Remember, he's like, You think you're tough with a gun?
	These are what make you tough.
	This is what makes you a man.
	But this is, he said it perfectly before, man.
	The levels.
	So, like, there's guys that have been wrestling their whole life, and they're really, really, really good, sick, technical wrestlers, and they're as tough as nails and they lead face first and everything.
	But they're not strong, and they're not big and they're not fast.
	So, if somebody who's big, strong, fast learns a little bit of technique, there's nothing that guy can do to them.
	Ben Askins.
	You know, so they always talk about like, you know, technique will beat, you know, size and athleticism.
	Yeah, until size and athleticism learns a little bit of technique.
	But then you get to a certain level, the level you got to, where then you got the athlete who has the technique.
	But even that caught up with me.
	Like, I felt like I was a cheat code in a video game because I excelled so fast through the rankings.
	Like, knocked out Crocop, who has a million years of experience, former world champion.
	I knock him out.
	I'm ranked in the top 10.
	And they're like, here's Noguera in Brazil, which I asked for.
	Here's Big Nog in Brazil.
	I'm like, I'm going to smoke this old man.
	You're thinking that.
	I was like, yeah.
	I was like, I'm going to destroy this dude in his hometown, Brazil.
	And then, you know, I end up getting knocked down that fight.
	But because I was, it was a cheat code, man, because I was really athletic, really, really big.
	But eventually, you're going to come across where experience is king.
	Because Noguera has seen the big athletic young kid with a good right hand who's very athletic and fast.
	So when I'm, I remember throwing all these feints at him, he's not reacting.
	I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
	He's seen it a million times.
	Like, he wasn't impressed.
	So eventually, if you don't have that experience, and the UFC is not a league where you want to try and gain expansion and get cut.
	So what do you think is going to happen with this model that's taking place right now where Jake Paul is going through all these fights, you know, whether it's Robinson and then, you know, Askrin and you got Woodley.
	Do you think this ends anytime soon?
	It ends when, see, he's a little different because I'm impressed with their friends.
	I'll be honest before I'm biased, but I'm impressed with him because who's your favorite boxer?
	You like Mike Tyson?
	Who you like?
	Roy Jones, Canelo?
	All good fighters.
	Maybe Hagler, some shit, whoever you like.
	Look at their first four fights.
	They fought your UPS.
	Yes, they were fighting fucking cans.
	Jake Paul, even though he's, you know, the Nate Robinson's a throwaway, but Ben Askren, Woodley twice for his first four fights is insane.
	And for him to put him away like that, and I know people want to hate on some, but there's a lane for that.
	And it's very impressive what he's done and the amount of money and amount of attention that he's doing.
	Because remember, Logan Paul and Jake Paul, they could air fuck on YouTube live and make millions of dollars.
	But they chose the hardest route in the game, and you got to respect that.
	Brandon, I saw Robbie Lawler beat Ben Askrin to death and him not get knocked out.
	You're telling me the difference from different rules.
	You're one of the guys that thinks it's staged.
	Is it no?
	No, dude.
	You've been in sports.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	No, I know Ben very well.
	I had him on my show right before.
	And he goes, I go, he goes, I'm in LA, man.
	Let me, because I do a show called Food Truck Diaries.
	And he goes, let me come on the show.
	I'm like, yeah, no doubt.
	I go, what are you doing in LA?
	He goes, I'm training with Freddie Roach.
	I go, dude, that's perfect.
	He gets ready for Jake.
	This is great.
	And I find out he didn't train.
	He just wanted the money.
	Oh, he looked out of shape.
	He didn't train.
	So what he did is he went to Freddie, got the pictures for the Graham, so everyone thinks he's training.
	He didn't put in the time.
	He was like, I don't give a fuck.
	I'm going to get the paid in.
	How does he make money right now, though?
	Ben, he's really, really big in crypto, and then he has a huge wrestling, huge wrestling.
	Academy type of stuff.
	Okay, got it.
	That's commodity.
	Got it.
	Ben, one of the smartest people, very sharp, sharp dude.
	But you can't be that witty and talk and not be smart.
	Witty guys are, and he would, he was always very quick.
	Ben, I give it to you.
	Ben's a very cerebral smart guy.
	Sarcastic, poking, kissing you off.
	You know, he had a very for him.
	He barely trained, didn't take it serious.
	And he was like, I don't think he can fight if he.
	And he said this on my show.
	If he can box even a little bit, I'm fucked.
	I'll get knocked down the first round.
	He goes, but I don't think he can.
	But if he can, I'm fucked.
	He said that.
	So you think that on my shot?
	It's 100 for the record for the thousand people listening.
	It's 100% legit, these fights.
	Dude, Woodley's a really good friend, too.
	Woodley's such a, he has so much pride.
	If you went, hey, dude, I think he made $5 million, which, you know, it's not life-changing.
	He had $5 million.
	Hey, we're going to knock you flat on your face.
	You're going to be a fucking meme for the rest of your life.
	But we're going to give you $5 million.
	See, that's what he's not doing that.
	And remember, Woodley's a bona fide first ballot Hall of Famer, dude.
	He's not doing that.
	I'm telling you, dude.
	That shot was fucking cool.
	Yeah, you know the clip that everyone's showing where he's going like this.
	You know, you saw that sign.
	It's like for anything, man.
	He's not signed up for that.
	There's guys from the other side that say it's common sense.
	You don't drop the.
	Why are you dropping a left?
	Like you've been taught to sign up.
	He's exhausted.
	Yeah, and he even said it.
	He says, I can't believe I dropped it.
	And the fights, don't get me wrong.
	The fights suck.
	Show time.
	I hate that I said that, but the fight sucked.
	But also, like, you have some experience in fighting, right?
	My worst fight when I fought Andre Orloski in Vancouver, we are training partners.
	We know each other so well.
	So those guys fought before.
	So everything's hesitant because you know what he's really good at.
	He knows what you're good at.
	So it makes for a shitty fight.
	I hated that rematch.
	I hated that rematch.
	So you think Jake can control his destiny?
	To a certain extent.
	I think he could do like a Tommy Fury again and destroy him.
	Oh, you think he'll take down Tommy Fury?
	That's his easiest fight that he's going to have.
	What?
	I think Tommy's not.
	He's a beast, no?
	No, no.
	You ever seen his record?
	I don't know.
	His first fight without a guy who's ready?
	One in 126.
	I'm not making this up.
	Look it up.
	Bring up Wikipedia.
	That's Joe Glass from the 19th century.
	His first six fights, it's like one in 26, 0-28, 1-9.
	So you don't think he's good at all?
	No, he's going to get destroyed.
	You think he's just like a pretty boy?
	It just happens to be brother.
	Yeah, Jake's going to beat the shit out of him.
	Okay, so who does he lose to?
	It's going to get dicey when he fights like a Nate Diaz and the Masvedols and the Conor McGregors, like the guys who actually stand ups their forte.
	It's going to get bigger than them.
	These guys are 5'8 ⁇ , 160.
	He's a legit 6'2.
	You saw what Canelo said.
	Canelo's like, why don't you come?
	Let's spar.
	He says, you come, let's spar.
	You know, because he's calling him out where he's going.
	But my thing with that, too, it's like, dude, he has four fights, Canelo.
	I mean, you know, he's getting all this attention, which all these boxers hate because they can't sell fucking traders.
	Got to respect Jake for what he's doing, man.
	Got to respect the fact that he's getting all the ideas.
	But he's going to run, you know, but it's still brilliant because he's like, oh, I want to get to 10-0, and then he's going to retire and move on to MMA.
	But for him.
	Who's going to move on to MMA?
	Jake.
	Well, they were legit wrestlers.
	Jake's going to move on to MMA.
	Yep.
	He says he's going to do one fight in MMA, but he wants to be 10-0 in boxing.
	Now he's talking about playing in the NFL.
	Yeah.
	Well, but 10-0 is going to be tough for him to get because he can only go so far before he runs into some real guys.
	But here's the thing.
	If his thing's to make money, think about this.
	So he fights Connor.
	Even if he loses, you're still getting one to two more huge fights.
	He's walking away probably $100 million after those fights.
	Jesus is crazy.
	It's brilliant.
	Brilliant.
	I got to start fighting.
	So, question.
	What is this hurting?
	Who is it helping?
	Meaning, this whole celebrity fighting where anybody can come out, who's losing?
	Is this good for Dana?
	Is it bad?
	Is it pissing Dana off?
	Is it good for boxing?
	Is it bad for boxing?
	I think it's good for everybody.
	Tell me why.
	I think it's good for everybody because I think you're seeing a guy in Jake Paul who's bringing in attention to fighter pay and showing that he controls his own destiny.
	Literally, it's his production.
	He's getting the benefits from all of it.
	So I think if UFC fighters are smart, they can take something and learn something from that.
	So it doesn't hurt Dana.
	UFC can't be hurt.
	Dana's brilliant.
	So he can't be hurt.
	But Dana, anytime there's competition, he's going to shit on it.
	But I think it's good for everybody.
	Boxing, UFC, brings attention to the combat sports.
	You should do it to all the other sports, too.
	Like if I were Kyrie Irving right now, I'd be like, screw it.
	I don't want to go back to the NBA.
	A million dollars a game.
	I'll put up a million.
	You put all you want to play one-on-one on Showtime.
	I'll play 10 guys a night.
	But if Jake gets knocked out by a Diaz, does this stardom fade?
	Meaning, like, all right, everyone wants to see this kid get knocked out.
	You agree?
	Everybody wants to see that.
	Sure.
	Right?
	Except for his, whatever, 40 million subscribers.
	I think half of them want to see him get so, bro.
	I think we live in it.
	We're older and we live on the social media, which isn't real, man.
	That shit's not real.
	Regardless, people would like to see him get knocked out.
	But when he does, do you think that people will still pay to see his 100%?
	You think they'll still keep going?
	I think even when he loses, there's going to be a rematch clause in that fight.
	He's going to make money.
	America loves to come back.
	He's set up well.
	Look at Logan Paul's record.
	He's what, 0-1-2?
	Yeah, 0-2-1.
	0-2-1.
	And anybody who fights KSS.
	People still want to watch this guy fight.
	Well, I think his upside is way bigger than Jake.
	He's got like a moment.
	Let me ask you.
	Oh, you think disagree?
	Disagree.
	You think Jake Paul has bigger upside than Logan Paul?
	Yeah, because Jake Paul wants an actual career in boxing.
	Logan Paul wants to fight the most famous guys and make the most money possible and get out.
	I'm talking about it.
	He's talking beyond fighting, bro.
	I'm not even saying presidency.
	I'm not going to be able to.
	Oh, you're saying it's a fighter.
	I'm saying bigger than fighting.
	Oh, yeah.
	Logan.
	Yeah.
	Have you guys had him?
	I'm surprised you haven't interviewed him.
	We haven't yet.
	Brilliant guy.
	Yeah, he seems like it.
	Smart.
	I'm saying that.
	See, the way he moves, smart.
	It's not accident.
	Like, a lot of these guys, it's not an accident.
	Even the vines back in the day, they were hilarious to begin with.
	Logan Paul is hilarious.
	Business-wise, monster.
	And you got to appreciate the hustle.
	You think of yourself as an adrenaline junkie, man?
	No, not at all.
	Not at all.
	So, I mean, you've lived your whole adult life here seeking bigger and bigger and bigger spotlights.
	I'm an adrenaline junkie, 100%.
	Oh, no.
	So when it's quiet and there's nobody around, you're happy.
	You're not itching?
	Like, man, I got to find something to do.
	I got to do some crazy shit here.
	No, I mean, I get restless because I feel like I can always be working, which is a problem, especially.
	I have kids.
	I have a five and two-year-old.
	So that can be a problem where you're always thinking about work.
	But adrenaline junkie, no.
	Like, I never jump out a plane or any shit.
	I don't drive fast.
	I have cool cars.
	I don't drive fast.
	I can't do two days.
	Really?
	No.
	Have you ever driven fast?
	No.
	I've had my license suspended a few times.
	Yeah.
	What's the fastest you've ever driven?
	I just, this is in the flex.
	I just got a new Ferrari and I was going down the five in California, driving back from San Diego.
	Yeah.
	I hit like 115.
	115.
	115.
	That's like a Wednesday.
	I don't drive.
	He's an adrenaline junkie.
	I don't want any part of the general America that he doesn't drive.
	I'm an adrenaline junkie that won't go in the car with him.
	I don't know.
	I go with this guy.
	We're in a Bentley.
	We were in a Bengali.
	We're in a Bentley.
	Which Bentley?
	It was the four-door.
	Was it the was it the Musa?
	You're asking me.
	I got to take an Uber everywhere.
	It was cool, though.
	Yeah, it was.
	660 horsepower Bentley.
	We're on what?
	The 405?
	405, yeah.
	Okay.
	405, LA, during COVID, so it's like not that.
	Just for the record, it's alleged.
	Oh, with the word allegiance on it.
	He goes, let's open this baby up.
	Let's see what we got.
	Dude, it felt like we were going 60.
	Yeah.
	He goes, you know how fast we were just going right there?
	150.
	I go, what the fuck?
	Oh, wow.
	He goes, let's remix this.
	Thanks.
	Allegedly.
	He hits it again.
	Now I'm like paying attention.
	165 on the 405.
	That's a place to do it, though.
	We were going to wide open.
	COVID, cops aren't even out there.
	That's right.
	That's tight.
	Screw that.
	Rush hour, Dallas.
	Allegedly, we're going to miss.
	Imagine we're going to miss a banshee.
	The flight takes off in an hour and 15 from the old office.
	Oh, my God.
	I forgot to say that.
	The old office to the airport to DFW was about 45.
	Like, they started boarding by the time that we got in the car.
	We made the flight.
	Wow.
	Good for you.
	I've never seen anything like this.
	This in my life.
	Go be a cop when I got out of the military.
	I'm like, this is a good ride.
	You know, military, you get out.
	You were in the Marines.
	When you get out, you're thinking, you get additional points to be a firefighter or a cop, right?
	I go to be a cop, I take the test, and they said, you can't be a cop.
	I said, why can't I be a cop?
	I was 21 years old with 16 speeding tickets.
	That's not going to happen.
	I said, you realize I'm going to cash the bad guy better than anybody.
	That's how I would see it.
	You broke the law too many times.
	I was fucking Ricky Bobby over here, man.
	Jesus Christ, dude.
	So you got comedy, big personality, huge body, athlete, college athlete, WWE.
	It's like first Ballot Hall of Fame, WWE.
	What happened here, man?
	No way, man.
	No.
	With the podcasting, I have my Thick Boy Network.
	So we do a, you know, I bought my own studio.
	I run everything out.
	I hired my own staff.
	I get Thick Boy merch.
	I'm talking like 10 years ago, 15 years ago.
	I mean, back in the day, no, no, no, no.
	At all.
	Oh, man.
	What a Vince.
	Man, what a miss.
	Yeah.
	With the personality.
	Within the next Razor Ramon, that's what I'm saying.
	Razor Ramon.
	Girl, you'd be a heel.
	You got to be the heel.
	You got to the heel.
	You got to be the heel.
	So aspiration, it wasn't like I'm going to go.
	I'm a pro-athlete.
	You see the rock.
	I'm playing Miami Dolphins and I'm going to go this right now.
	Okay, I'm going to go do movies.
	I'm going to act.
	I'm going to pursue this.
	Like for you to say, I'm going to go fighting, then I'm going to go comedy.
	And then eventually I want to be able to do XYZ.
	That was not the case for you.
	No, I just go.
	And then if I enjoy it, then I just build the best team around me and then try and have the most fun.
	And hopefully it works out.
	Got it.
	So what's next for you?
	What do you want to do next?
	Big project that excites you.
	It'd be literally the Thick Boy Network, my own studio, and we do several shows out of there.
	You know, similar to what you guys have here, we do a million shows out of there.
	It's funny you asked me that because Rob Derdick, he was on the show and he was looking at things and he's like, so what's the plan?
	And he kept me going, what's the plan?
	I'm like, dude, quit fucking asking what the plan is.
	And then I made fun of him for it and he kind of shut him down, which is probably not the smart thing to do because he's a brilliant dude.
	And then a week goes by and he goes, hey, I need to talk to you.
	It's been bothering me all week, man.
	You got to have a plan.
	And he goes, can you FaceTime tomorrow at four?
	I'm like, sure, dude.
	So he FaceTimed me and he was just, you know, he's a good mentor to have.
	And he's like, you're 38.
	When I was 38, you're the exact same as me, man.
	You're making this much money.
	You're doing this.
	You think everything's all good, but I never had a plan.
	And he said, another guy asked him, like, what's your plan?
	And really helped him out.
	So I'm coming up with a plan when I'm on.
	Yeah.
	Super Jacket's a great company, man.
	Like, those guys produce a whole bunch of shit, dude.
	No, no, it's ridiculous.
	I just think, like, I think, like, is it, are you with these guys or independent yourself?
	CAL coming.
	I mean, you're with the big guys.
	So, yeah, I just think, like, you know, when you see this, how much of it is the individual cast and the vision of who they want to be?
	How much of it is the agent or the manager from CA saying, hey, have you thought about this?
	I think you can be XYZ.
	I think you can be, you know, dot, dot, that.
	I wonder if that conversation is happening.
	Are you pitching or are you getting pitched?
	Like, what's the word?
	They've pitched me on a number of auditions for certain things, but it's just, we're in a different world now.
	So it's like, let's say I get booked to do some movie, unless I'm fucking the next Batman or something.
	It doesn't make sense for me to go to Vancouver for eight weeks, miss my kids, miss all the podcasts, all the stand-up.
	I'll make more money doing my owning my own business, doing all the other stuff that I would be on the show.
	It's close to say make more money doing OnlyFans, man.
	Oh, man.
	Well, you never know.
	I'm going to say never.
	You never know.
	Some hot trap jobs.
	You got to have a plan.
	You got to have a plan.
	You never know.
	You got to oil me up, man.
	Well, by the way, by the way, this is exactly what they don't want to hear.
	No.
	They don't want to hear what he just said because the level of desperation people.
	Give me any job, man.
	I'll take anything.
	Give me anything you got.
	My agent at CA and the guys, they won't mind me saying this, but we butt heads because they only touch touring or if they, you know, if there's an acting gig or they, you know, they sold my special for me.
	So you eat what you kill for me.
	I'm not your traditional Johnny Depp where you get 10% of everything I do.
	The podcast network and my shows completely.
	So you don't have an overall deal then?
	No, not at all.
	Did you negotiate that?
	Yeah, all that.
	Yeah.
	So they don't touch anything in my podcast.
	They don't touch it, man.
	I run that all myself.
	All myself.
	Again, different model.
	That's like a model for them.
	What did I bet it?
	I bet it.
	What did we learn from Chaz?
	Chaz Palmeteri sat there and told the story about how he sold a Bronx tail.
	And it was the most incredible story I ever heard in my life.
	There's only two guys in the history of Hollywood did this, him and Sylvester Sloan.
	Long story short, dude is broke.
	People that have watched the podcast, you know which podcast this was.
	Broke.
	Has a car that's the bottom of it's rusted out in the passenger seat.
	Doesn't even have a bottom.
	He gets offered $100,000 for Bronx Tail, but he can't play the lead.
	He can't play Sonny.
	Turns it down.
	$200,000, turns it down.
	$500, turns it down.
	Cold million.
	And if you say no, we're dropping you as a client.
	Turns it down.
	No, damn.
	Says, I'm going to be sunny.
	Ends up signing a deal with Robert De Niro.
	He's sunny.
	His whole career goes there.
	Analyze this, everything else.
	But the ability to say no, nobody's saying no.
	No.
	Yeah, but for every one story like that during that time, there are tens of thousands.
	Like, you know, Bruce Springs saying, hey, your voice sucks, you know, but you got good lyrics.
	You could be a good writer, but you're not a good.
	For every one of them already, you know, the Rocky story, he sold his dog, you know, everybody's heard those stories.
	But the business model has changed for good and bad because there's no, there's like no criteria to start your own podcast.
	There's no criteria for you, you know, to get famous off YouTube and then try and do stand-up because you can sell tickets.
	They're going to book you no matter if you're the worst comic in the world.
	So it's a blessing and a curse.
	So the industry still tries to kind of, we talked about it a little bit off here.
	They still like look down their nose a little bit at like YouTube and they're like, you know, but at the same time, I think it's because it takes the power away from them.
	Like it's an international.
	They're trying to figure it out, though.
	It's an international casting call.
	I mean, you're out here talking to the whole world and then the world can decide whether they like you or not.
	It's not somebody in an ivory tower in downtown LA green lighting you.
	The world is green lighting you.
	You're not.
	No, yeah.
	Hollywood doesn't have the power anymore to go, all right, this guy can do this.
	This guy can't.
	They really don't do that.
	I mean, you said what Ricky Gervais said at the awards, yeah, the Oscars.
	But he got up and says, listen, you guys may, well, they're just throwing the towel and give all the awards to Netflix.
	I think they're kicking your ass.
	But he's right.
	I mean, that was Ricky Gervais.
	Every time he gives this message, there's depth in his thinking.
	That guy's a brilliant.
	I love him.
	His speech.
	I hope they book this guy again.
	I really hope that.
	I don't know if they're going to do it or not.
	They're scared to.
	Never.
	My God.
	But if you could play any role, though, what would you play?
	If you had your druthers, what would you play?
	I would do like a comedy movie with all my guys, like Sheo Vaughn, Chris DeLia, Brian, like all the boys.
	Like the Adam Sandler model.
	You bring all your boys in.
	Remember, there was a Drama Sandler earlier.
	Yeah, Adam Sandler.
	You got a good Adam Sandler impression?
	No, not at all.
	You can't do a little heehoo.
	No, nothing.
	I did meet him.
	I did meet him.
	What?
	Yeah, I was at the movies with my kiddos and my girl, and I see him.
	It's rare for me to get like starstruck.
	And I was like, oh, shit.
	And my girl's like, I'm like, that's my North Star.
	That's Adam Sandler.
	I got to say something.
	I'm like, I'm not going to say anything.
	I'm not going to say anything.
	It's going to be weird.
	I don't know who I am.
	She's like, yeah, you have the comedy store.
	I'm sure he sees you at the impromptu.
	I'm like, I've never seen him there.
	I'm telling you.
	I've never seen him there.
	And I go in the bathroom and he's in the bathroom.
	I'm like, sure as fucking like a snake while his dicks in his hand.
	Hey, how's it hanging?
	Oh, wow.
	Hey, man, how's the movie?
	Oh, yeah, this is awesome.
	And then we walk out of the bathroom and he's there and he goes, hey.
	And he could tell I was looking at him and I'm like telling my kids about him.
	And he goes, hey, and I walk over.
	He goes, what's up, Mr. Sandler?
	You're the tough guy that does comedy, right?
	And I was like, holy fuck.
	He knew you.
	And then did you guys talk for a little bit of Swords fan?
	Nah, barely.
	Barely.
	He knew you.
	You played hard to get.
	And then he's like, yeah, yeah, you're the guy, huh?
	So apparently he said athlete, Adam Sandler.
	Huge.
	Apparently, the way the Lakers may sign him.
	10-day contract.
	I tell you what, that's the inverse.
	That's how you compete with Jake Paul.
	You bring on like Bill Murray and Will Farrell if you're the Cleveland Cavaliers right now and have them be 11 and 12 on the bench.
	Yeah, he plays pickup all the time.
	You see the videos always going viral.
	You got any b-ball skills or no?
	A little bit.
	You have the court at the house.
	I play a little bit.
	Where do you live in the middle?
	Lives in Tebaska.
	You live in LA.
	What part?
	Woodland Hills.
	Like Woodland Hills, Calabasas, like right on the edge there.
	And with everything going on during Topanga, Topango, or like, no, right off like Topanga there.
	Wales and Topanga.
	Yeah.
	So my office was at Warner Center Marriott at 17,500.
	I think it's 16, 17, 500.
	Right across from PF Chang.
	You know where PF Chang is?
	Yeah, that's where I took my son to the movies last week.
	Yeah, that's the movie theater I would go to all the time.
	I know right across.
	I love it over there.
	Maggiano's on the other side.
	They build a whole mall, everything.
	By the way, probably the best mall in LA is the Topanga Mall.
	far by far far even better than and then my studios thick boy studios is literally up the street in Calabasas right by that Irwan next door the Irwan up there you You're in like a heavenly place.
	So you have no plans of leaving?
	No.
	You're going to stay there.
	Yeah, we were talking about it before I came in here.
	Yeah, you know, all my friends left, which, you know, makes me sad.
	I miss them.
	But I think for me, I love LA.
	I hate the politics, but I love L.A.
	And it doesn't, to be honest, doesn't affect me that much.
	When we were in like, you know, 2020, 2021, the height of COVID, it was North Korea.
	It was tough, man.
	But, you know, those days are over.
	Now it's pretty open.
	I can do spots all over town now.
	And like, again, it's my own studio, so we don't require a mask or anything like that.
	So it didn't bother me.
	I'm a homebody, so we're good.
	And why did all your friends leave?
	You know, Rogan left because it made sense for him, you know, to save on boxes.
	And Austin, he's going to build the comedy scene in Austin.
	Segura, same reason, moved to Austin.
	You know, he makes more money than God.
	So a lot of those guys left for that reason.
	Theo just wants something different, so he moved to Nashville.
	So, you know, the crew kind of, Joey Diaz moved to New Jersey.
	This is like a sad epilogue.
	Ending life to stand by me.
	Like the sad lot.
	This is the sad lot.
	Joey Diaz moved to Jersey.
	He was never seen.
	You know, I think Joey, maybe just a little bit sick of the hustle.
	Shuan to break, wanted a family life.
	Slow down.
	He's an older guy.
	He has a daughter.
	But yeah, I'm also younger than all these guys.
	So it's like, you know, for Rogan to leave, he's been in LA 30 years.
	Segura's been there 30 years.
	So, you know, I've been there 10, man.
	You're 83, right?
	Yeah.
	I'm kind of just getting my foot in the door.
	And like, you know, Rogan used to always do, you know, Rogan and friends at the improv and the comedy store.
	Well, now it's shop and friends.
	Now he's got a shop and friends.
	And then, you know, me, my favorite show that I've ever done in my entire life was the fight campaigns with Joe Rogan, Eddie Bravo, and Brian Callen.
	Well, Rogan moved to Austin, and I called him, like, dude, we should get the crew back together.
	We'll fly out once a month to Austin and do fight campaigns.
	He's like, I'm just too busy, man.
	He's like, I got an idea.
	Why don't you do it?
	I was like, really?
	He's like, you do it, man.
	Build your own team and you do it.
	So that's what I did.
	So, you know, it's a blessing and it's also a bummer that they left, man.
	How'd you get hooked on with Rogan?
	Okay, when I was fighting the UFC, he was obviously the announcer.
	And then him and Brian Callan are really close.
	And when I first moved to LA, we'd go to dinners together all the time.
	And then we just, you know, became good friends.
	And then Rogan used to always harp, like, you got to do stand-up, man.
	You're funny, dude.
	You're fucking funny.
	While you were fighting?
	Yeah, when I was fighting, he's like, I'm telling you, get a set together.
	I'm telling you, you can do this constantly.
	That's cool.
	Tell me, do stand-up, do stand-up.
	You're out of your mind, dude.
	Was Rogan the guy that told you to stop fighting?
	And really?
	What was that?
	What was that conversation like?
	I was a fan.
	I was a fan of both his and as a fan of Rogan's.
	That was one of the more awkward podcasts I ever listened to.
	What was it?
	What did he say?
	Just he could tell I had one foot in, one foot out, and he's 100% right.
	You know, Rogan's very, you know, blunt and upfront.
	Obviously, the message I think is harsh to the public, but me and him have such a good relationship to me.
	The only thing that was surprising was I was going to do, me and Brian were going to do a show, and I was like going to kind of announce my retirement, kind of not like I was on the fence, and we're driving a student, and Cal calls me and says, hey, Rogan wants to do it with us.
	I go, really?
	He goes, yeah, but he's going to do it at his studio.
	So the people think that was a JRE episode.
	That was actually a fighter in the kid.
	That was a fighter in the kid at Joe Rogan's studio.
	It was my show on his platform.
	Oh, I didn't know that.
	Yeah, most people don't.
	Really?
	That was actually a fighter in the kids.
	Wow, I didn't know that.
	And I told Brian, I go, all right, dude, but I don't want to talk about the fight.
	I'm kind of messed up from him.
	I'm depressed.
	I don't want to talk about it.
	He's no, he's not going to do that.
	We're not going to talk about the fight.
	Did you tell Joe this or you told Brian this?
	No, I told Brian that.
	So I figured he relayed that to wait.
	So just a second back, so you had already decided to hang him up before that?
	Yeah, because I've been doing Fire in the Kid at that point for about three years.
	And I was starting to receive a good amount of income from that.
	And it was just, I was busy with that.
	And then I've always been really into fashion and my own merch.
	So instead of wearing like a tap-out shirt, I'd create my own shirt and walk out on that and then sell it myself online.
	And then Reebok said, you're not allowed to do that anymore.
	And that really made me retire.
	Really?
	Interesting.
	So you didn't know Joe was going to ask you and talk to you about that.
	I had no clue.
	Yeah, but you know, as of.
	He did me a super solid.
	Well, when did he ask you?
	What was the actual question?
	He just told me, stop fighting.
	He was like, I can tell you're one foot in, one foot out, and you're going to get hurt.
	He just called your shit out right there.
	Yeah, on camera.
	What happened after camera?
	So the whole thing.
	He hugged me.
	We were both pretty carry-eyed.
	Yeah, he hugged me.
	It's very obvious.
	He was like, I know that was harsh, man, but I love you, man.
	The reason I did this is because I love the fuck out of you.
	And he's like, but you can do like what I'm telling you, podcast and stand-up, you can do this, man.
	The FYI, 90% of them, maybe more, can't do that.
	90% would be generous.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	They cannot do that.
	So it's like the NBA.
	You know, everybody leaves the NBA, like, oh, okay, what's this guy going to be doing?
	Dude, you don't have the personality to be an analyst.
	You don't have a personality to be commentator.
	You've got to have the personality, the humor, all of that.
	So, Brendan, he was right.
	Yeah, 100%.
	I mean, come on.
	In hindsight, yeah, he was right.
	And then even people think I have issues with Dana.
	I have no issues with Dana.
	If I saw him give him a big hug, because him signing that Reebok deal at the time, that gave me the fuel to get to where I wanted to get.
	So I was so mad at him.
	I was so mad when he signed that Reebok.
	At Dana?
	Dana White?
	I was so mad.
	And we had a conversation on the phone.
	It did not go well.
	And I just kept calling him out on shows.
	But he put a fucking box of Pringles on my shoulder.
	Some people have a chip on their shoulder.
	I had a fucking Pringle box on my shoulder.
	I was so mad, but it gave me the fuel to get to where I wanted to go.
	And now that I'm on the outside looking in, you know, I've made it this far.
	I would give him a hug and be like, thank God you did that, man.
	Like, I owe all my stuff to him, man.
	You channeled that rage artistically, too, which is like, I mean, that's something that I'm saying.
	Because I didn't want to be a failure.
	I wasn't doing to prove to Dana.
	Like, told you I could do it, but I just didn't want to be that guy that left the UFC and then, you know, was fucking holding mitts at the UFC.
	Sure.
	Well, I meant that they would scoffing at you, too.
	Like, what are you going to do?
	Oh, dude, I'm going to do stand-up.
	You're a big fan of Dana White, though.
	I'm a big fan of you.
	I think very highly.
	I actually want to ask him a question.
	I want to be very clear.
	I'm a very big fan of Dana.
	Oh, it's very obvious.
	He made a knowledge.
	But here's what I'm going to ask you.
	So in UFC today, okay, versus 10 years ago, who's more important today?
	A face of the UFC that's marketable?
	For example, Usman's not marketable.
	He's a ridiculous fighter.
	But is he a guy that's going to come out and do one of these.
	Why do you think Usman's not marketing?
	He's not a Connor.
	No, no, he's just giving an example.
	No, no, I will make it very clear.
	I think technically the guy's a monster.
	He's all-time great.
	But Connor, yeah, some people put him in the top five.
	Connor makes you money.
	Okay.
	Connor's a once-in-a-life coach.
	Kobe, Kobe makes you money.
	Kobe talks shit.
	Jorge Masjidal makes you money, right?
	So Chal Sonan talks shit, but was he a money fighter?
	Yeah, he was a money fighter.
	Was Chal Son really?
	Eyeballs?
	I've never even heard of his.
	But wait a minute, but wait a minute.
	Can't let you get close.
	He was a money fighter for UFC, but back then they didn't pay the way they pay.
	It was a different model.
	But he brought eyeballs to the sport.
	Of course he brought eyeballs to the sport.
	Yeah.
	So you have a point.
	But what I'm trying to go to right now is the following.
	What matters more is a ridiculous, one of the greatest promoters of all time, Dana White, more important today to the sport of UFC?
	Or is a great face important to the face of UFC?
	Dana White.
	Okay.
	I agree with you.
	I agree with you on that question.
	You look at the business model too, because now they've gone away from pay-per-views, which pay-per-view is generated just off stars, and now they make their nut off the ESPN deal, getting whatever, $600 million a year, put on 42 fights on the SPN.
	So ESPN doesn't care if it's Connor or some guy you've never heard of.
	That's right.
	UFC's making their money.
	No one's more famous or bigger in the sport than Dana White.
	The two most famous people aren't fighting.
	It's Joe Rogan and Dana White on Cade's side making all the money.
	Very true.
	What a great point.
	What a great point.
	Conor McGregor makes a ton of sense joining them on the outside.
	So this is my question for you.
	This is my question for him.
	I'm curious to know what he says.
	Who do you think, okay, Dana's not going to be able to do this for 30 more years?
	Okay.
	He's going to go for a while, but to do it 30 more years, I don't know about that.
	Is there anybody you would say if anybody could do Dana's job today, it'd be dot, dot, dot.
	Is there anybody that could do his job today?
	Not to the level that he does it at, because I do think you ought to be kind of a shark, because a lot of fighters are pretty caring despite what people think.
	But it'd be a fighter.
	It'd be like a guy like Brian Stan, if you know who he is, military background.
	And he went on, he's working for some huge venture capital company now.
	He's like the head of it, making all this money.
	A guy like Tim Kennedy, who's a Special Forces guy, who's brilliant, but also caring, would probably take care of the fighters a little better.
	A Daniel Cormier, a Dominic Cruz.
	What an angle you took.
	Yeah.
	So you're saying fighters, as tough as they are, deep down inside, they're kids, they're sensitive.
	They want to be able to have somebody that cares about them, that takes care of them.
	I think you need some of that in today's world because Dana's a businessman, which I get.
	People want to complain about fighter pay or complain about things, but then we all have Apple phones complaining about the way Apple treats their employees.
	See, I wonder, like when you're saying that, I look at it from maybe a different angle because of being a business myself.
	You're thinking straight business?
	No, I'm not thinking straight, but let me give you my insight.
	I want you to push back and see what angle you see this.
	So I look at Roger Godell, okay?
	Who likes Roger Godell?
	Who hates Roger Godell?
	Okay.
	Roger Godell just signed a godfather-killing, ridiculous contract making 25 million a year private jet for the rest of his life and health, all this stuff that he negotiated.
	And he got it, right?
	It's like, what do you know, this is that?
	And we've had the conversation about the guy.
	And the next thing you know, all the owners made boom.
	They love him.
	They made a billion dollars.
	But here's the point, though.
	Here's the point.
	Amazon streaming.
	If you think about the fact that the owners made that money, who else makes that money?
	Mahomes gets a half a billion dollar contract.
	It trickles down, right?
	So all I'm thinking is I think sometimes at the top, you need an SOB like a Dana White that's going to be able to sit down with these other media bullies that's going to push him.
	I'm like, I don't give a shit who you are.
	You ain't going to be able to bully this guy.
	Versus the other guys are more compassionate.
	The proper corporate guys that are going to be diplomatic were just like, hey, you know, yeah, let's do side deal wink wink.
	I don't think Dana does any wink-wink deals.
	He's not doing anything.
	Yeah, that's a good point.
	You need a savage in there.
	And I'm fortunate, you know, to make an omelette, I crack some eggs.
	And that's what the UFC does.
	This is the only thing I disagree with.
	That's a good point.
	This is the only thing I'll disagree with that, right?
	There can only be so much circus.
	There has to be some go to go with the show.
	Meaning, like, it's not going to turn into bare knuckle fighting, and it's just whoever are the two best shit talkers, and these guys are going to fight.
	We're going to make this BMF belt.
	They're way past that.
	There's still people that want to see GSP fight.
	There's still people that want to see Kamara Osman fight.
	There's still people that want to see the best in the world.
	They're competing against the best of the world.
	But I'm not just talking about UFC or boxing.
	Like, look, Jake Paul, he's disrupting.
	That's great.
	But when every influencer in the world starts throwing wild hands and hugging each other, I mean, there's the sweet science is something that's beautiful to watch because none of us can do it.
	For sure.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Well, you saw when the TikTok YouTube challenge, I think it was a disaster.
	Listen, man, I'm not sure.
	Right, you saw, you know what I'm talking about.
	You'll pay $200 to watch somebody in the NBA play because they do things that you can't do.
	You won't pay $50.
	You want to see the school?
	You want to see basketball?
	That's what I'm saying.
	That's why nobody goes to WNBA.
	On a certain level, they're pushing and they're pushing and they're pushing.
	But I think they're going to kill the golden goose.
	The further they get away from.
	And who's the golden goose?
	Well, dude, right now, I think the NBA is doing the worst job possible.
	By far.
	Worst job possible.
	They hate their fans.
	Look at the rating.
	They actively hate their fan.
	And they're filled with superstars.
	That's the thing.
	They're alienating their fan.
	Their fan base by doing some of the political stuff they did.
	And it's also when they did it.
	They're not doing it now.
	You're saying you're circling back on 2020.
	No, I understand.
	They're kind of doing a little bit.
	They really fucked themselves.
	And then the analytics, too, man.
	I mean, the analytics, look, I get it.
	Like, the whole reason I had an opportunity with the Cardinals was because of Moneyball.
	Like, you know, I struck out a lot and then I hit the ball to the moon and that's all I did.
	That's great, right?
	But that's a really boring style of baseball when you have nine guys.
	I challenge anybody watching this.
	Watch the 2001 World Series between the Arizona Diamonds and New York Yankees.
	Baseball can't get better than that.
	It's a fun game.
	There's something happening on every point because there's action, there's activity.
	There's a lot of people.
	And what else is there?
	I mean, so much lighter point.
	There's also steroids.
	Yeah, steroids.
	Exactly.
	I think there should be steroids in baseball.
	I think it should be legal.
	Steroids in baseball.
	It's not hurting anybody.
	They're hitting a fucking ball.
	I want to see the guys juiced to the fucking max, Crankton home runs.
	Listen.
	Having a little personality.
	Did anybody get mad at Brad Pitt for being juiced to the hilt and Troy having 19 abs?
	Yeah, they're not hurting anybody.
	It's baseball.
	The legalized steroids.
	Let me tell you.
	What are your thoughts on that?
	You have an opposing argument?
	No, I'm just saying.
	So you're just encouraging steroids.
	Give us your argument.
	That's the argument.
	Should Arnold Schwarzenegger do that?
	We had an entire conversation last podcast about drugs.
	Okay.
	About pills and about cocaine.
	And I'm like, look, marijuana ain't that bad.
	Now we're like, shoot up.
	Throw some random shit into your system.
	There's a difference.
	What a big difference.
	I give you the big difference.
	I'll give you the big difference.
	Okay.
	So in 2000 and 2001, 2001, Morgan Stanley, 9-11, 2001, I go to Mr. Olympia, okay?
	I'm in shape.
	I'm ready.
	I'm thinking about going into the world to compete, right?
	It's either going to be, I'm going to go be a stockbroker with Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder, or I'm going to go be a bodybuilder.
	I go to Mr. Olympia.
	But this is real.
	You said you competed.
	Yeah, Army.
	No, no, never, never happened.
	Yeah, I was.
	But this is in the Army I was competing.
	So that's cool.
	So I go to Mr. Olympia.
	So I'm like, I'm going to find out what this life looks like.
	Okay.
	So I walk around and I start hanging out with these guys.
	We start partying.
	And some of the big names at the time, if you follow bodybuilding, you know these names.
	I've interviewed most of the people.
	You want me to rip them off for you?
	No, no, no, no.
	You would get the names.
	Oh, yeah.
	You'd get the names.
	Yeah, Cormillo was a party guy.
	Aaron Baker, all these guys, right?
	So anyway, so I go and I say, so tell me what it takes to be Mr. Olympia.
	Okay.
	The guy says, you want to be Mr. Olympia?
	He says, yeah.
	I said, I want to know what it takes.
	I don't want to be a Mr. Olympia competitor.
	Oh, beautiful.
	I want to be Mr. Olympia, right?
	I want to be Arnold.
	By the way, Phil Heath used to sit in this seat right here.
	Phil Heath is my boy.
	He's like a Denver guy.
	Denver guy.
	Denver guy.
	That's where Mr. Bashmall.
	And he used to work out the same gym.
	And he also went to University of Colorado.
	He was like a second.
	No, he went University of Heath and Vermont.
	That's right.
	He's been on Fire and the Kid, great guy.
	Yeah, phenomenal guy.
	Absolutely.
	So let me go back to this.
	So I'm looking at this guy.
	I'm like, listen, I want to kind of be Mr. Olympia.
	And if I'm going to do this, I'm not doing it to compete.
	I want to be the Mr. Olympia.
	It says, okay, let me explain to you what we take.
	And they make the list.
	Okay?
	This, I won't give the name of who it was, but we went through the whole list of things.
	You need to take that.
	Then you're going to have 15 pages long.
	Then you're 6'4, 6'5.
	You're going to be off season 350.
	And no one has ever won Mr. Olympia at 6'4, 6'5.
	The tallest guy that won it was 6'2.5, 235, 245.
	His name is Arnold.
	During the days where bodybuilding was very different, now it is.
	Now they're all 5'9.
	Ronnie Coleman won it.
	He was like 5'9, 5'10, 3'10.
	3'9.
	5'9'9?
	Yeah, Ronnie Coleman's maybe 5'10.
	5'10.
	That's a 500 pounds.
	How tall do you think Phil is?
	Phil's 5'9, right?
	Yeah, but Ronnie looks bigger.
	No, no.
	To your point, I would tell people this all the time.
	And when I was coaching, let me finish my point.
	The point is to follow on here.
	If you're going to go at that level, like you look at LeBron, you think LeBron just takes Cretan?
	I don't know about that.
	But you look at LeBron, you look at LeBron.
	I was going to make, you don't think they're taking whoever your favorite athlete, you don't take away.
	This is my point.
	They're doing it on the show.
	It's not encouraged and out there.
	That's a problem, though.
	So like, look, but baseball doesn't need to announce, hey, free game.
	It should just, you know, me, make 98 seconds.
	Wink, wink, it's all good.
	No, 98 seasons.
	What percentage of NBA players do you think are smoking weed?
	Probably all of them.
	80 plus percent.
	Yeah, okay.
	But they're not like it.
	I agree.
	It's less harmful than steroids.
	No, but there's a return.
	There's a return.
	There's a big difference between weed, cocaine, LSD, special K. There's a very different between that and steroids.
	There's a very big difference there.
	Okay, okay.
	Meaning, Barry Bond.
	Okay, Juan Gonzalez used to be like this, right?
	He came in, he was hitting 40 home runs.
	Then he started juicing.
	Then he wasn't hitting the way he was hitting before.
	It actually didn't help him as much, right?
	Some of the guys, because it's good to be like this, sometimes it widens up a little too much.
	It doesn't work for everybody, right?
	Pitchers, you're doing it more for your shoulders, your elbows, recovery.
	That's more.
	So it's not like you're doing it like Roger Clements wasn't benching six plates and wanting to go compete.
	Roger Clemens was recovering faster, having 21 game seasons.
	And why do you think LeBron's playing so long at such a high level?
	I don't think that's weird.
	But bring that back to baseball.
	You're saying, hey, go at it.
	Do steroids.
	Bro, it's a libertarian concept.
	The only thing is, like, for me, if weed is legal, you got to look at that steroid, same similar kind of a conversation.
	I see steroids in a similar kind of a conversation.
	I see it as a similar type of a conversation because you choose to put it in your body.
	What is performance enhancing?
	Let me give you a different perspective, right?
	Like that term performance enhancing, like shit used to drive me out of my mind.
	I never took steroids, but I did everything possible within the rules to mimic the effect of steroids.
	We all did.
	Anotest and no testing.
	Everything.
	So I'm taking, so instead of taking one clean shot from a doctor, I'm taking 15 freaking seven Kato DHEAs and then another like T-bomb.
	And then Andrew.
	You're a freaking physicist.
	But this is what's happening, right?
	Like year one, that's legal.
	Year two, that stuff's illegal.
	I never broke any rules.
	Was I a performance enhancing drug?
	Like it's, it's this, it's such a mockery.
	And now my body's like a bunch of melted crayons because I completely turned my metabolism off.
	But also baseball, nobody's getting hurt either.
	You're hitting the ball.
	So you guys are all on the same page.
	Steroids, baseball.
	I'm a professional.
	This is the truth.
	The biggest mistake I ever made in the minor leagues was not taking steroids.
	Biggest mistake I ever made because once you're there, your job is to make as much money for your family as you possibly can.
	My logic behind this is: if it's something you're going to do to advance, like there is a way that you're advancing, you can consider it.
	If there is.
	For some people, it doesn't work out well.
	For some people, it does.
	What are the side effects?
	By the way, you actually do.
	But that's a great question.
	But that's a great question.
	Because it's illegal, kids are taking things that they shouldn't take in quantities they shouldn't take it.
	If it was legal and your team doctor was able to administer it, the side effects are negligible.
	So you're saying if a doctor's not a bad person.
	The larger point as far as side effects, in those grown men, probably not much.
	You're not growing a third testicle, having heart issues.
	You're actually saying steroids aren't that bad for you?
	No, not at all.
	All right, like can we get some freaking steroids in here?
	I got to step my part network.
	The problem you're going to run into is if we have kids.
	So if you have a 12-year-old kid who idolizes, you know, his favorite baseball player, Ryan Braun, or some shit like that, and he's on steroids, well, that's going to encourage that kid to do steroids at a young age.
	So if they do it in high school and like middle school, that's where it gets to the point.
	Well, just like in the baseball players.
	Do you remember any kids in high school that were on steroids or in your high school?
	I remember.
	It's a little awkward.
	Yeah, by the way, it was very awkward.
	Yeah, so awkward.
	Yeah, very awkward.
	You have a mustache.
	Yeah.
	And you're a female.
	Yeah.
	Now the greatest swimmer in the world, though.
	No, no, no.
	I'm telling a whole different story with you.
	The college.
	But again, you talk about the Lance Armstrong got caught and they paraded him around like a pariah.
	And then it came.
	So should he be able to do that?
	This is the thing.
	He came riding a bike.
	But the thing is, so you're good to go with this.
	Yes, you're on a fucking target.
	How about Taylor?
	Look at who should not be able to do steroids.
	I know NFL and UFC.
	I know.
	Why NFL?
	Because you're physically hurting each other.
	So if that steroids allow him to go zero to a 40-yard dash faster, he's physically inflicting more pain.
	Unless everybody's on the same stage.
	So you're saying that's the only sports.
	You're riding a bike.
	You're hitting a baseball.
	So if you're actually physical contacts, you're drawing a line somewhere.
	That's what I draw.
	That makes some sense.
	But those guys are not.
	Tyler, you got to look it up for me, man.
	Of course, I believe the last tour de France where Lance Armstrong got caught taking steroids.
	You have to go down to 15th place to find a guy who didn't test positive.
	I think it was 24th.
	Maybe.
	24 that did not test positive.
	The two through like 20 all have been caught doing steroids.
	So Lance was a scapegoat, is what you're saying.
	The whole team was friends.
	Lance is thinking he was an asshole.
	That's why they went after him.
	So Levino, really?
	By the way, this goes to another name.
	Barry Bonds.
	Okay, similar to Barry Bonds.
	Another asshole.
	Another asshole, right?
	I mean, that's.
	Nobody wants to see those guys win.
	I want to watch that guy swing the bat every day while I'm in the middle of the house.
	We should be in a Hall of Fame note.
	No matter what.
	What about Sammy Sosa?
	Should be in the Hall of Fame.
	And the steroids turned him white.
	Yeah.
	Did you see that?
	Oh, that wasn't.
	That was the bleach?
	Okay, my bad.
	My bad.
	That might be a lotion.
	Maybe.
	Not enough time in the sun, maybe.
	I don't know.
	What's going on there?
	He's Salmon Sosa now.
	Yeah.
	66 home runs that one season, 98.
	I don't know if you've seen the documentary.
	That's the one.
	I was in a military.
	We had a great time.
	Wire Sosa home run.
	I didn't even like baseball.
	The fact that he became a fan of Celig.
	The fact that Bud Selig is in the Hall of Fame after he destroyed the game in 95 and then turned a blind eye to everything.
	Yeah, these guys aren't.
	But you have kids, right?
	Try and get them to watch baseball.
	My son's like, get the fuck out of here.
	Your son's five.
	Yeah, he's like, what the fuck is this?
	Your son's five.
	It goes, dog's like dad.
	He's raised by Sammy Bull.
	Yeah, he's like Sam Bull.
	He's tough.
	Hey, dad, what is this bullshit?
	What?
	A Fortnite?
	Just nothing but video games and all time?
	What, man?
	Yeah, he just, you try and get a kid to watch baseball or even boxing for that matter.
	Really?
	Oh, yeah.
	They will watch boxing.
	I can't get him to watch baseball.
	Can't even watch baseball.
	Boxing, they'll watch a little bit, but unless it's like Anthony Joshua or Deontay Wilder, they're not into it.
	Got it.
	Yeah.
	UFC the watch.
	Yeah.
	Do you ever show him your fights?
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, what do they think?
	Yeah.
	I mean, he loves it.
	He says he wants to be.
	He does jiu-jitsu now.
	Nice.
	I actually picked up my black belt because of him because I've been a black belt for years, but I've never had the actual black belt.
	I never want to lie to my son.
	So he was begging me to do jiu-jitsu, so I drive him to this jiu-jitsu place.
	And it's like probably day four of him competing there.
	And he's good at athletic.
	And so we walk in there and, you know, his coaches have black belt.
	But, you know, they're like 300-pound guy.
	They're not in great shape, but they have black belts.
	And there's also their.
	Chris Barley comes.
	All right, kid.
	We're going to learn about garage.
	Well, there was a guy named Roy Nelson who was.
	Coach Nightmare.
	Great guy.
	Great guy.
	Great fighter.
	But he, back to the point, though, is again at Black Belt, there's different levels of black belts.
	There could be a black belt from one school.
	There could be another black belt.
	And they're in the different standards is what you're saying.
	So my son goes, Dad, you have a black belt?
	I go, dude, you've seen my.
	What are you talking about?
	Black belt.
	Yeah, I submitted a guy in the UFC man.
	It was the first anime kind of choke ever in the heavyweight division.
	I'm a black belt.
	He goes, oh, can we show me your black belt at home?
	What?
	I don't have like this.
	My guy is a black belt.
	Yeah, then he goes, could you beat them up?
	I'm like, are you shitting me, dude?
	Them?
	Oh, my God.
	So we got in the car.
	I called my coach.
	I haven't talked to him like five years.
	I'm all east now.
	Hey, coach, you still have that black belt for me?
	He's like, we've been waiting for you to pick it up.
	I go, I'm booking my fucking ticket now.
	I'll be there Friday.
	So me and my son fly down to Denver.
	He's five.
	He's five.
	Flew down to Denver.
	He came into the school with me.
	I had to roll with all the black belts.
	I'm like, give me my black belt.
	I took the belt off.
	I'm like, there's your black belt.
	Five, bring yourself off.
	And what's his name about tiger?
	Tiger.
	By the way, is he big like you?
	Is he a big kid?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	So he's like 99 percentile type of kid.
	Five and two, you said?
	Five and two.
	And then what's the two-year-old?
	Bruiser.
	Yeah, the Boston.
	His name is Bruiser.
	No, no, his name's Boston.
	Yeah.
	Boston, the Bruiser.
	Wow.
	Why Boston?
	Well, I don't know.
	So I got it.
	Different.
	Just different names.
	We named the kid Brooklyn.
	Yeah, Boston.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's not like he probably goes to the For Christmas where he says, you know, in our family, dad named us after the city they conceived us.
	Or Randall.
	And her Dallas.
	I was going to ask you the same question I asked Pat, man.
	It's a tough question to think about, but when you're coming up, like you said, you got tough because of your environment, right?
	Like you had an environment where you had to develop a personality, you had to develop skill sets, right?
	Now you're growing up.
	You got rich kids now.
	Your kids are growing up rich.
	Your kids are growing up in Calabasas.
	LA kids.
	Yep.
	They're fucked.
	So here's the thing.
	Very similar to a roller coaster.
	But this is the thing, right?
	It's like you want to give your kids everything that you never had.
	Sure.
	But then you're going to turn them into everything that you never were.
	Correct.
	So, I mean, what do you do to make sure sports?
	Because there's no sports that humble him.
	He doesn't have to go pro in sports.
	I'm not like that overbearing dad, but he's going to have to play sports because that teaches him respect.
	You want to get ahead.
	Humility.
	Get back.
	You know, discipline.
	Toughness.
	When you're going to be able to do that.
	You lost some like jiu-jitsu.
	You're going to put him in some kind of MMA, some kind of music.
	He's in jiu-jitsu now four times a week.
	He does jiu-jitsu.
	He does soccer.
	He's into everything.
	The culture.
	Now, my kids go to the Barra Jiu-Jitsu right here.
	And you go there.
	I got to tell you, man, this is good for kids.
	Like, I didn't grow up with that.
	So I'm not like somebody that went to it, but watching how they talk to him, hey, you know, they're trying to discipline him.
	It's not like, it's okay.
	It's not one of those environments.
	It's pretty like a good gym.
	Yeah.
	You're around man's men, which is good.
	I love that.
	I think there's a lot of benefits to it.
	Question for you guys.
	I'm going to go to you.
	Okay.
	So you remember when we used to buy newspapers and everybody would do newspapers 27 years ago?
	Newspapers, boom, gone.
	Nobody's buying newspapers, magazines, everything.
	Don't just pissing on the carpets all over America.
	So go to BlackBerry.
	Go to newspaper.
	Go to any of that stuff, right?
	Okay, they're gone.
	We don't even use Black Belt.
	I got you.
	Nextel.
	Remember, beep, beep, beep.
	Nextel we used to do all this stuff.
	Okay.
	10 years from now, 20 years from now, let's go 2041, okay?
	You got UFC, you got MMA.
	Is there going to be one that's going to be forgotten about and the other one's going to surpass the other one?
	Like there's going to be a major separator between the two sports or both boxing and MMA are going to be around.
	UFC is going to be around 20 years from now.
	UFC will, I guarantee you, will be around.
	Boxing needs to figure things out.
	Boxing's the one who are in trouble.
	I think that, and that's another thing with Jake Paul Plus, is he's getting that yet younger demographic into watching boxing.
	When before, they're not watching Triple G and these guys.
	They don't care.
	To be interested.
	Yeah, because their dad's probably not into it.
	But everyone's kind of into UFC.
	So I think UFC would be around.
	But boxing, you know, they need that next big star because, you know, Canelo's getting older.
	He's probably the biggest star.
	You got Fury, you got Wilder, you got Joshua, but they're going to need someone like, you know, Connor, but in boxing to get that younger audience.
	It's not Jake.
	It's not Jake.
	It's not Logan.
	You need someone in traditional boxing to come up through the rankings who has the it factor like a Conor McGregor.
	You think a sport is going to be disrupted?
	Like, you think there's going to be a sport that boxing is not primed for that.
	Boxing's a land of dinosaurs.
	From the promoters to the way they do things, you got to think about it.
	Also, you know, 12, three-minute round, like, it's a lot, man.
	They take six rounds to feel each other out.
	Like, it's tough, man.
	That's a good point because you're not seeing anything.
	You're not seeing any action for them.
	And they don't fight really to hurt each other anymore.
	You're not seeing haggling horns out there anymore.
	They're like, look, we're going to have a trilogy here.
	We're going to milk the ball.
	They're also killing.
	I don't mean to interrupt you.
	They're also killing themselves because you have, you know, four major promoters.
	So the fights we want to see, we don't see happen for years down the road to we're over it.
	So they have an interesting thing.
	Interesting.
	By the way, did you hear what Mayweather recently said about the conversation came about when they asked him who do you think is the best heavyweight of all time?
	He said Larry Holmes over Ali.
	They said, why Larry Holmes?
	He says, first of all, Ali lost to Norton three times.
	He just kind of started going through the whole history.
	Ali didn't do this.
	Ali lost.
	Ali used to rope a dope and you can't do that.
	And it's a different kind of style.
	He used to make people Tyramon.
	That's a fair point.
	Yeah, he says, to me, it's Larry Holmes.
	It's not Muhammad Ali.
	And then he says, I think I'm the greatest boxer of all time.
	And he went through the whole argument he made about the fact that he's the greatest boxer of all time.
	He has a good argument.
	Who do you put as the greatest boxer of all time?
	Floyd's definitely up there.
	Floyd's up there.
	Heavyweight's tough, you know, when they say, you know, Larry Holmes or Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson, you know, because Evan or Holyfield, you'd have to rank over Mike Tyson.
	But because we came up with Mike Tyson, I mean this big, scary guy.
	And I love, people think I hate him.
	I love Mike Tyson.
	But to me, he's not even in the conversation for greatest all time.
	He was the scariest of all time.
	When he had his run, his first time.
	Yeah, but you look at his resume.
	He wasn't beating anybody of note.
	The guys that he fought that, he wasn't allowed to bully, lost to.
	So to me, he's not, you know, he's not the first person.
	I'm saying the holy is the Rig Bows.
	But that's like the Lennox Lewis is better than all.
	Wait, my mom.
	You put Riddick Bow ahead of Tyson?
	I don't know if I put him ahead of Tyson, but we're talking about great.
	He's in top three or he's not.
	To me, he's the scariest.
	And at the time in the promotion, all the hype around him, the pop culture, like he's by far the scariest.
	So would you say, is it fair to say, like, if we were to define it like, you know, the most dominant player in the history of the NBA, Shaq, right?
	Maybe he's not the greatest, but he's the most dominant player ever in the history of the NBA.
	Is that kind of how you're putting it?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah, him or Tim Duncan?
	Yeah.
	Tim Duncan was a monster.
	He was a monster, but Shaq came in.
	Shaq would turn, elbow hits your face, you're done.
	He'd run up and down the court.
	He scared the crap out of everybody.
	But going back to, so who's at the top for you?
	It's tough.
	It's a tough conversation to have because you look at Julio Chavez Sr., you know, who's like fucking 90 and whatever, 90 and 50.
	That guy five every day.
	And the biggest gate live gate of all time in Mexico, Mexico City, I think it was like 120,000 sold out.
	He was a profit.
	Monster.
	Yeah.
	Dude, what are we talking about?
	Nuts.
	You know, you look at Sugar Ray.
	It's tough, man.
	We're talking about great volume.
	First, let's say today, top 10.
	You put Canelo on top 10 today?
	Has Canelo already done?
	Canelo's name top 10.
	Canelo's number one right now.
	I don't know if you're going to be able to do that.
	That's not what I'm asking.
	I don't even know if I can name 10 boxers today.
	Oh, no, no.
	That's not what I'm asking.
	I'm asking 10 boxes.
	Canelo amongst the history.
	Has Canelo done enough head?
	Does he already have enough in his catalog to say he is an arguably top 10 guy?
	For sure.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	You already put him in the bottom of the bottom.
	You look at the different weight classes that he's competing at.
	Yeah, for sure.
	Man, there's star power.
	Watch in and fight.
	I mean, dude, Canelo's that good?
	Amazing.
	It's really ridiculous.
	But again, you want to see him fight Earl Spence or Terrence Crawford.
	Different promoters.
	So we're never going to get it.
	By the way, all I'm thinking of right now is a scene in Coming to America.
	Rocky Marciano.
	Every time you want to talk about Joe Lewis, you bring out Rocky Marciano.
	That's the one.
	Yes, they won.
	Exactly.
	He beat Joe Lewis.
	He beat Joe Lewis' ass.
	That's where I'm at with this.
	Put Rocky on the list.
	Listen, Mayweather wakes up and Mayweather says, I'm the greatest of all time.
	It was an argument.
	He's the only one that's undefeated.
	Is there anyone else who's completely undefeated?
	Yeah, Marciano is the other one.
	Marciano was 40, he's 50 or something like that.
	There we go, ladies and gentlemen.
	Rocky Marciano.
	The difference is Floyd, once he got to that level, you're paying to watch him lose, and he's a very defensive fighter.
	He was fighting off his back foot and super defensive.
	Like, didn't finish anybody, but, you know.
	He made it.
	He said something.
	He says, everybody keeps talking about I dodge Pacquiao.
	I'm older than Pacquiao.
	You know, he's like, what are you dodging the guy?
	I'm older than the guy, and I agree to it.
	He should have beaten me the other way around.
	Pat, here's your next business venture, and we're going to partner with Thick Boy Studios here to make this happen.
	Klitschko brothers did this thing where you box one round and then you play chess in the second round and you either had to win by knockout or you had to checkmate.
	It's a crazy thing out there over in the Ukraine.
	They got a lot of time on their hands.
	But we do the same thing, but you're going to box one round and then you got to come out and do a roast battle in the second round.
	That'd be fun.
	So you do a roast battle, so you roast each other, and then you got to box Pete Davidson.
	It wouldn't work.
	Do you know why it wouldn't work?
	Have you seen that?
	The one audio clip of Canelo that goes viral?
	Have you seen it on TikTok?
	He called me a motherfucker, Joy.
	Headed some dogs.
	I had to hate him.
	He called me a motherfucker.
	I had to see.
	Yeah, so Canelo, because if you did a roasting, Canelo is like the ability to roast.
	Yeah, Triple G is going to be tough as well.
	You hear that big drama show.
	Personality.
	So that business model was out the window fairly quickly, man.
	I don't know.
	The point is, boxing needs to figure it out.
	There it is.
	We're pitching those ideas.
	Boxing needs to do something.
	Canelo brought something up the other day.
	Canelo said, he said, if Mayweather were to fight me at my peak versus his peak, I'd crush him.
	That's what Canelo said.
	Do you agree with that?
	I agree.
	Yeah, I'm a huge Canelo fan.
	Really?
	Huge Canelo.
	So you think Canelo's peak beats Mayweather's speed?
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	A prime Canelo, yeah.
	But Canelo's bigger than Mayweather, right?
	They're not the same weight class.
	They fought before and he beat him, but Canelo is 21 years old.
	So Floyd's.
	Oh, they fought before?
	Of course.
	But Canelo is 21 and didn't have the experience, and Floyd was in his prime.
	So he got a young, like fresh out of the gym, Canelo, and Floyd was prime Floyd, and he dominated.
	Do you think you think Floyd carried the honor for the first part of their fight?
	No, I think he was just downloading the data and trying to figure it out.
	And Connor landed some good shots.
	But he never really felt like he was in danger at all.
	He could turn it on.
	No, he did get hit, and then he was like, enough's enough.
	And then went to work.
	Yeah, that's what I feel like.
	But I also felt like it was like a little like gentleman's agreement.
	I'm not going to put it on you the first couple rounds here.
	I think he was smart and cerebral about it and was like, all right, we know the kid has a good left hand.
	It's sneaking.
	It's coming from angles we probably haven't seen in boxing.
	And that's what made Floyd great.
	Like, I'm going to download the data and then pick it apart.
	So those first few rounds, he's downloading the data.
	Connor landed some, nothing too crazy, and then he just fucking ate him alive.
	Now, Logan Paul, on the other hand, Logan Paul, I worked that, so I worked both those fights with Floyd Mayweather.
	You know, I'm in the back, so I'm doing the interviews.
	So Floyd, I went into Floyd's training room and he's hitting Mitts, and that's the first time ever in my life.
	I went, oh, he looks 46 or whatever he is, 46 years old.
	He looks 46.
	I was like, oh my, yeah, gray in his beard.
	I'm like, like Ken Mitts, I'm like, he looks older, man.
	I was like, Logan might have a decent shot here.
	Now, I do think there was some sort of agreement, you know, not to for him just completely knock his ass out.
	Because even, you know, when I say I was ringside, I mean, like, I'm on the fucking ring sitting there watching him.
	And while they're announcing and Floyd's moving, Logan kept saying, It's an exhibition, champ.
	Remember, it's an exhibition, champ.
	I was like, what is fucking?
	So you think if Floyd wanted to knock his ass out, he could have?
	I don't even know if he could have.
	I don't know if he could.
	You probably could dismantle him a little sooner.
	There's no way he could have landed.
	But the problem is, you're dealing with whatever he's 40.
	I think he's 40.
	You're dealing with a 46-year-old man who's Floyd's time.
	Have you had him in here?
	Floyd's tiny, dude.
	Logan's a big dude, man.
	And he's hanging on me.
	It's just awkward for Floyd.
	What do you mean?
	This is exhibition.
	What's he trying to say?
	What's the messaging behind that?
	I just, yeah, I don't know.
	It is.
	But just like, let's have fun.
	I think, dude, let's have some fun.
	You're like, hey, let's have some fun, man.
	That's like Rocky 3 or 4 when he's falling.
	Remember, it's just exhibition.
	It's just exhibition.
	But again, I think you'd have to be crazy to think that thing was all fluke and Floyd can knock him out in 30 seconds because Floyd's legacy to go six rounds with this fucking YouTuber.
	It's not great, man.
	Not at all.
	He doesn't want that.
	Right.
	Trust me.
	If Floyd wanted to get him out of there in 30 seconds, he would have done it, man.
	That would have made him look great.
	I agree.
	There's precedent on that.
	There's precedent for this too, though.
	I mean, look at you talked about Ali.
	Look up Ali versus Lyle Alzedo back in the day.
	Lyle Alzado, too.
	Lyle Alzado.
	Lyle Alzedo, the older people.
	Who you think remembers?
	That was in Denver.
	I do.
	That was in Denver at My High Stadium.
	Don't remember Lyle Alzedo?
	He had like four curly hairs.
	Lyle Alzado is the reason everybody in the world thinks steroids are bad for him.
	Correct, dude.
	110 pounds, you know.
	But he had cancer or something else, but they chalked it up to steroids.
	What he did, he came on like, you know, CBS was like, I wish I never did these things.
	And then also Ryan Benoit with the WWE murdered his family and committed suicide.
	Yeah, Chris Benoit, yeah.
	Like steroids, I'm like, well, he's an asserting.
	Well, they think that might be actually like CTE related and stuff like that.
	I mean, this is his finishing move for people that don't remember Chris Benoit is he would jump off the top rope and use his head to like headbutt.
	But I will tell you, but I will tell you this.
	Let's not get it twisted.
	You know how they say money makes you more of what you are today.
	If you give when you're broke, you're going to give a lot when you're rich, right?
	Sure.
	If you're stingy when you're broke, you're stingy when you're rich.
	If you're a dick when you're broke, you're going to be a rich dick, is what you're going to be, right?
	You'll be way better at it.
	So I think steroids makes you more of what you are today.
	Like, if you're saying your brother's got a temporary, let's just say if he gets on like if we give him deck a deball or some shit, right?
	Like an old school Gold's gym stack, like Deka Winsho.
	He loses it.
	Oh, dude.
	What did you say?
	He's the reason weeds legal.
	He seems like the nicest guy has been smiling the whole time.
	He's got to look for you, man.
	He's an older brother, professional bully for a lot of people.
	You're still scared of him a lot.
	Oh, yeah.
	I want no problems.
	But he's a great man.
	He's great.
	He's a great.
	We got any hecklers.
	You'll see him go through the crowd, man.
	When's the last time that you guys went wrestling?
	Thank God you wouldn't be able to handle that.
	We wrestle.
	Like, we'll mess around.
	I wrestle with him, fuck around with him, but we haven't gotten like a real fight since we were kids.
	Jay, how tall are you, man?
	You're 6'2?
	When did he get bigger than you?
	When did that happen?
	In college.
	Oh, so you had a good run in college.
	You had a good run, man.
	Yeah, I remember my dad used to bully me too.
	My dad was a big dude.
	And I came back like freshman year of college.
	And I'm like, what's up now?
	I'm the man.
	I beat him in an arm wrestle.
	Oh, you don't want to read?
	First time when I was 18, and he was legitimately mad, like legitimately angry.
	Listen, I can see that.
	Question.
	Question for you guys.
	So, the product of sports, NBA, football, all of that that we got going on right now.
	NHL, you can fight.
	It's part of the game.
	Love it.
	Totally chill.
	And you want to fight?
	Go for it.
	Baseball used to be able to do that too.
	Well, baseball still has a little bit of that, which is kind of cool, right?
	You know, you liked it.
	So, like, I will tell you, if the highlights show up, ESPN, there is like a pitcher hits the player, you know, there's a brawl.
	I'm going to watch a three-minute video.
	I'm watching that three-minute video, right?
	Bro, the NBA in the 90s.
	That's what I'm trying to get on.
	Let me tell you, freaking Bill Lambert.
	The Knicks, baby.
	Let me tell you what I'm getting to.
	Let me tell you what I'm getting to.
	You think there is a business model for sports to say, look, here's what we're doing in the NBA.
	You get into the NBA, we're creating a new league called the FBA, okay?
	Fighting Basketball Association, whatever you want to call it, right?
	You can call it mixed martial arts, whatever.
	But then here's the part: like something happens.
	You can fight, you go sit for 10 minutes, you come back in.
	You go to timeout, cool.
	And you do that in the NBA or maybe a little bit of the NFL.
	Because back in the days, if you watch like, you know, what happened in Detroit Pistons, what happened with Lambert, Barkley, Shaq and Barker.
	Now, here's the thing.
	There was something about it.
	You got suspended.
	Yeah.
	I saw a video the other day.
	Vernon Maxwell runs up to the 16th row, hits a fan in the face.
	Now, obviously, that's crossing the line.
	The guy got suspended.
	That's what the fan did.
	He's also awesome.
	There's a part of it that is like.
	I would rather have Ron Artes running up into the palace than LeBron going, hey, hey, hey, they got to go.
	They said something really mean.
	Yeah.
	Please kick them out.
	No, get out.
	You want fans getting knocked out by players?
	You wrote the check.
	Got it.
	But the last thing the NBA wants is just fighting with fans.
	They could use the ratings.
	I think.
	They got to figure something out because what they're doing now with this soy boy, like soft woke movement, man, it's like not working.
	But all they're doing now, and the NFL did the same thing too, they're protecting their investors.
	How are you?
	The Tom Brady rule, all that stuff.
	The soy boy, the woke, I'm with you 100%.
	They're in Hollywood.
	They're in Hollywood, LA.
	They're in Hollywood, brother.
	They're in Hollywood.
	I don't have to deal with those woke boys when I do sets.
	Outside that, I'm surrounded by more like-minded like me.
	There's a ton of people like that.
	What's it like working with those people?
	Like, literally.
	The wokeness.
	But you got to realize what he said earlier.
	This is, again, the beautiful thing about what's going on in the marketplace right now.
	The market can no longer bully you to tell you what you have to do.
	No.
	The market can no longer force you.
	Like, you know, how the whole casting couch, whatever, you know, used to be back in the days.
	You don't need to go through that no more.
	That's the whole that market change.
	But also now, somebody says, you got to take this job.
	No, dude, I don't need to take this.
	Correct.
	I'm good.
	It's changed.
	I'm asking sports, basketball.
	Do you think there is, you know, going to get to a point where, because you watch regular season today, the other day I posted a comment, I said, you know, if you followed Bleacher Report, ESPN Sports Center, if you followed any of the Laker highlights, you would think Lakers are 36-0.
	Correct.
	Because they only show LeBron's best highlights.
	And then you go 117 to 102.
	LeBron and Lakers are one and five the last six games.
	So they're only showing highlights.
	You watch the game.
	It's the worst game.
	The only game I enjoy watching today is Steph Curry.
	Only game.
	I agree.
	Everything else is.
	Hey, guys, some breaking news.
	Betty White just passed.
	Oh, no way.
	Betty White.
	She didn't make it to 100?
	She was going to be 100 in January.
	Betty White just passed.
	Damn.
	Betty White.
	Are we John Madden?
	Are we that surprised, fellas?
	Dude, that's a good idea.
	Is that correct?
	Apparently, the youngest guy here is surprised.
	So he's, David, you okay?
	David, interrupted the podcast.
	That's brutal, though.
	To announce it a 99-year-old and Betty White, it's like American.
	And by the way, don't forget Harry Reid as well.
	Harry, on his behalf, Harry White.
	John Madden and Betty White?
	I mean, that's what they're doing.
	Together.
	Do they die?
	Yeah.
	Actually, full disclosure, I thought John Madden passed years ago.
	Bro, are you being sarcastic?
	I'm not even joking, bro.
	How dare you?
	Bro, I haven't seen John Madden live in decades.
	This was the wildest thing that's ever happened.
	Truth, when I found out John Madden died, like, I was sad.
	And my brain is telling me.
	My brain is like, bro, you've never met this guy.
	But my heart is like, you know, it's Madden video games.
	I felt like my uncle passed or something.
	Do you know the Madden story?
	Do you know the Madden story?
	Like, how it happened when he first signed?
	Like, they're going to say, we're going to make a game after you.
	I know.
	I know he's like, he was kind of hesitant.
	He's like, I guess.
	He's going to be big.
	So the guy says, hey, buy the stocks.
	Okay.
	We're going to give you the opportunity to buy the stocks.
	He calls this the greatest mistake of his lifetime.
	He says, buy the stock.
	And John's like, I don't care about buying the stock.
	He says, come do this.
	We're not going to pay you, but I'm telling you.
	Oh, wow.
	Yeah.
	So John's like, no, I'm at a point right now.
	I'm John Madden.
	Pay me up front.
	So John goes.
	They use his name for the game.
	He just gets an upfront check.
	And then they leave and it blows up.
	And then it blows up.
	He's like, holy shit, I made a big mistake.
	Well, here's the part, though, which the story ends.
	Well, 14 years later, 14 years later, he goes and sits down.
	Good for EA Sports guys on what they did with him.
	He said, he says, listen, you guys have been using my name.
	We got to make something work.
	EA Sports says, don't even worry about it.
	We're going to buy your name and rights.
	You know what they paid him for the name and rights?
	$100 million?
	$150 million.
	Wow.
	$150 million.
	So opposed to that, Tony Hawk has told this story where, you know, Tony Hawk, huge video game.
	Of course.
	They made the game.
	He has all his friends in it.
	Before it releases, I don't know if it's EA Sports, but they came to him and said, We think this game's going to be pretty good, man.
	We're just going to pay you one.
	And he goes, I was broke at the time.
	They go, we're going to give you $500,000.
	And he goes, and that's like life-changing.
	Like, I was making no money.
	And he's like, nah, I think I'm just going to take my chance.
	And you'll give me a share of the sales for each game.
	They're like, well, yeah, but we'll just give you like a million or 500 now.
	And dude, you're rich.
	He's like, nah, I don't want to, I'll take my chance.
	Good for him.
	Really?
	And then how much does he make?
	Oh, my God.
	Hundreds of millions.
	Oh, he's still going.
	And his friends all make money off it too because they're in the game.
	They call it one of the greatest games of all time.
	Well, the famous story that goes in the other direction, I'm sure you guys all know, is Foreman Grill.
	You know how that happened.
	They wanted to give the Hulk Honor.
	They went to Hulk Holgan first.
	But he went with the energy training.
	That's why he went with the blender.
	He's like, a grill indoors.
	This is stupid.
	Who's ever going to want a grill indoors?
	So he goes with the blender.
	And then they go to George Foreman and like, hey, look, you got to have this grill.
	He's like, all right, whatever.
	Put my name on it.
	Now, are they blaming COVID for Betty White too?
	Or what are we doing here?
	No, Kuwait.
	He's got the breaking news.
	CNN's like COVID on the bottom.
	The famous comedian and American icon, Betty White, has died just weeks before Milestone Birthday.
	TMZ has learned law enforcement told Nancy Betty passed at her home just before 9:30 a.m.
	A trailblazer and pioneer media.
	Betty had the longest running career of any woman on TV prior to her death, starring in multiple shows over the last eight decades.
	Oh, man.
	Eight decades starting all the way back to 1939.
	By the way, thank you for being lasting.
	I mean, lasting power right there.
	Betty is perhaps the most famous for her lead role in Ronda Arms on the Golden Girls, which ran from 1985 to 1992.
	She's been in tons of.
	By the way, have you seen Betty White's younger picture?
	Do you know what she looks like?
	She's a bad guy.
	Can you put young?
	She's been older.
	She's a total bet.
	Young Betty White.
	David, I'm sure you want to do it anyways.
	Just type in young Betty White.
	You know what's bullshit?
	Sex in the City is just Golden Girls after dark.
	It's just like an X-ray bingo.
	It's bullshit.
	That's a young Betty White.
	She's a duty, man.
	It's true.
	Good for her.
	You know that she was the face of the life settlement market.
	Well, she really is.
	I have a business.
	Pat does insurance.
	I do something called life settlements.
	It's like reverse insurance.
	By red's favorite.
	Yeah, exactly.
	She was the face of the life settlement market for years.
	They paid her an upfront deal, right?
	And a million bucks or whatever.
	Great career, though.
	Well, rest in peace, Betty White.
	Rest in peace.
	Anybody that can last that long in anything, you got to give them respect.
	Eight decades.
	Question.
	What do you think about the way NFL is right now or the NBA right now is handling the COVID situation?
	You know, we're like, suspend it, suspend it.
	I like that NFL did the thing where if you're asymptomatic, they're not making a sit up from the game.
	I give him a little leeway because when the virus first came, we didn't know too much about it.
	So everyone kind of freaked out.
	And I like that the NBA did the bubble.
	You got to take your hat off to Dana White for not stopping.
	They earned so many more fans doing that where he's like, I'm not stopping this man.
	Paysetter.
	Yes.
	So, you know, it's tough because at first we didn't know how to deal with this thing, but now we know.
	So they're being a little more educated about it.
	I, you know, it made me a bigger fan of Aaron Rodgers, the way he was dealing with things and the cancel culture came out of him.
	I bought an Aaron Rodgers jersey because of it.
	And, you know, it's ridiculous, man.
	It's ridiculous.
	He's doubled down, triple down, man.
	Patty Mac, he goes on that show and he lets it fly.
	And we were talking about that.
	What was it?
	Yesterday or this morning?
	Yeah.
	We're like, do you think they're going to give him the MVP?
	He's clearly the MVP of the league.
	They have to.
	Yeah, they have to.
	He's made it so that they just can't even.
	He's undeniable.
	You give to him or you give to Coop for the LA Rams.
	You think Coop over Brady?
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Really?
	Oh, you don't think Brady's winning it this year?
	No.
	Brady was favored up until about three games ago.
	Aaron's dark horses.
	Interceptions all season.
	Two of them in the game.
	Four interceptions all season.
	He'll win it.
	Guarantee.
	Rogers and Brady.
	By the way, if he wins it, here's the best story if he wins it.
	Oh, if he wins it and then he goes, wins the Super Bowl this season.
	That's a great story if that thing.
	The NFL's going to hate if that's his.
	Favorite player of all time if he does that.
	Who?
	Aaron Rodgers.
	Yours.
	Oh, yeah.
	If he does that, favorite player of all time.
	He spits in the face of it.
	Yeah, just big fuck you.
	Love it.
	The moment he did what he did, I bought his best rookie card.
	I said, I support you, bro.
	Let's just get your best rookie card.
	I'm going to put it in the safe.
	I hate the Packers.
	I'm from Denver, but I bought his fucking jersey and worked for a week.
	Yeah.
	And was hoping I'd show up to Starbucks in LA with the Soyboys, hoping somebody would say something.
	I was looking for a Scottish.
	Is that something they're looking for?
	Is that something that they do?
	They say something?
	Dude.
	Really?
	If you don't have a mask on LA, dude.
	Really?
	They'll come up and say something?
	Dude, outside?
	No matter who you are.
	Stop.
	Not walking outside.
	Yeah, I'd be on my bike because they're in the height of COVID when we're locked down.
	They locked down the trails behind my house, the Santa Monica Mountains.
	I was in the middle of, I'm talking nowhere.
	The closest person is probably 50 miles.
	And people put a mask on.
	We're in the mood.
	Moving outside.
	This is crazy.
	Nuts.
	Not now anymore.
	You saw the lady on the film.
	The film is not like that, right?
	In restaurants, or if you go into Starbucks, you don't have a mask on.
	Oh, yeah.
	Okay, indoors.
	Indoors, they'll yell it.
	Indoors, they'll do it.
	You know, you're vaccinated.
	There's nobody worse than these progressive comedians, too, though, man.
	They won't say anything one-on-one, but once they get like a little bit of a group around them and they get like feeling a little bit tough, too, and you're in the groom.
	Who are like the big progressive comedians?
	I'm not going to name that.
	You don't want those problems.
	No, so, but, but I will tell you one story, though.
	It's guys who can't sell tickets.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the, though, there's a guy that you know that I'm not going to tell the story.
	Very, very, very, very popular now, but then he was great for a long time, but he wasn't really getting booked because of how kind of edgy he was.
	And there was a woman at a comedy club who ran, she was a booker, and she took that job way too damn seriously.
	And she was like, look, when you go on the night, don't tell that joke about Trump.
	This was years ago.
	And he goes, you tell me what jokes I can't tell.
	And she goes, yeah, if you ever want to play here again, you won't tell that joke about Trump.
	He goes, all right, fine.
	Goes up, looks to the side, tells the audience, he goes, so that fat bitch right there says, I can't tell a joke about Trump.
	What do you guys think?
	They went nuts.
	And they went nuts and he brought the house down.
	He's very famous now.
	He's a New York guy?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So he has a really good Patreon.
	So anyway, so anyway, one time I was telling a story, though, I'll just be honest with it.
	These progressives I'm talking about.
	I was at a club, and there's like three shows in a row, and you do your 10 minutes, and you go back to the green room, then you do your 10 minutes.
	And I was still drinking at the time, and I was getting pretty sober now?
	Mostly.
	So I was drinking at the time, I was drinking heavy at the time.
	And then, uh, so I'm a few whiskeys deep, and then we're three hours in, and this there had just been some sort of shooting.
	And this girl is like pontificating about white people and guns and this and that.
	And she's white, yeah, of course.
	And so, finally, normally I could just keep my mouth shut and move it, keep it moving, but today I was just like, I can't.
	I was like, bro, let me ask you a question: What's a more likely scenario that I would need a gun to kill you, or that you would need a gun to stop me?
	And you would have thought what I asked, everybody said, Did you just threaten to kill her?
	How could you possibly?
	And dude, they made this whole big thing.
	I got kicked out of the club for life that I threatened this girl.
	I was like, I didn't threaten this girl.
	All I tried to do was explain to her that for like the history of our species being big, strong, and capable of violence was all you needed to be successful because of the rules that we have now, and specifically because of firearms, people that are five foot, a hundred pounds have just as much of a voice as anybody else.
	You should be the biggest 2A advocate out of everybody.
	Have you guys seen a change leaving because you guys were in Texas, correct?
	And then coming to Florida.
	Have you seen it?
	Same?
	I'm from this is a lot more chill even than Texas.
	Yeah, so listen, neither Texas or Florida is even close to what LA is at.
	Sure, no.
	You're in a whole different world than LA when you're there.
	You're the epicenter of it.
	It's insane.
	What's going on over there?
	I tell you, I feel like I escaped the Soviet Union, bro.
	Yeah.
	Like I'm like, this is paradise.
	We were on the boat yesterday, man.
	There's still lockdowns in New York right now.
	There's still mandates.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	But you got to know what's happening here.
	So here's what's going on with South Florida.
	South Florida, Miami, the mayor, credit to him.
	I mean, the guy's a beast.
	His father was a mayor.
	Now he's a mayor.
	And if DeSantis runs, a lot of people would like to see him potentially end up being a governor of Florida.
	Who knows if he's got that kind of afraid?
	He should run for president.
	Yeah, he may do that.
	He may do that where he's at.
	He may take that route.
	Now you can skip some levels.
	Well, here's what he did.
	Miami's become the crypto capital of the U.S. That's what they're talking about.
	So Miami's now the place where people are coming for crypto.
	New York was the financial capital.
	They may keep it that way.
	They're trying to make it here.
	A lot of guys are moving out here.
	Texas ain't going away.
	Texas on a golf score.
	If you want to raise kids, great place to be.
	If you like a little bit of lifestyle, you're more here.
	So if California and Texas had a baby, it'd be Florida.
	South Florida specifically.
	If California and Texas had a baby, it'd be Florida.
	Yeah.
	You get in the water, get the lifestyle, and you get the taxes, the tax benefits, regulation.
	No one bothers you.
	So they just got to make sure they keep it that way.
	Correct.
	With where it's at today.
	By the way, did you hear who's the highest paid government employee in America today?
	Oh, is it Fauci?
	Fauci.
	Doctor himself.
	Highest paid government employee.
	His pension alone, they just came out with his pension alone.
	What's his pension plan, by the way?
	$350,000 a year.
	$350 a year.
	Fauci, okay?
	He said he will not retire until the pandemic is over.
	I'm sure many people are happy about that.
	His retirement package is shaping up to be the largest federal retirement package in U.S. history.
	$350,000.
	Our auditors at openthebooks.com estimate Dr. Fauci's retirement would exceed $350,000 is what he's going to get.
	Tell you what, if Jake Paul fights Dr. Fauci, I'm on.
	I'm team.
	I'm team Paul.
	All of a sudden, you know what?
	I wouldn't mind seeing.
	Let's get a realistic fight.
	I wouldn't mind seeing Rand Paul fight Fauci.
	That's what I want.
	Would you pay to watch it?
	100%.
	I'd pay to watch it.
	100%.
	I'd pay a little, man.
	Rand Paul's a seasoned vet at this point.
	His neighbors been trying to take him off for years.
	And by the way, I'd put $2 million for the winner if Fauci and Rand Paul.
	They already know you've got $5 million in a can, but that's a different way.
	I would actually just want to see an actual verbal debate like what they've done in the winter.
	But can you imagine those two guys fighting?
	It'd be obviously very.
	Fauci's the size of what how tall is Fauci five?
	He's 80, 520, he's 80 years old.
	81 years old.
	81.
	I think he's 5'6 ⁇ .
	Yeah, he's a sprightly 81, though.
	But he says he was a basketball star in high school.
	How dare he?
	Again, we're loose with the term star.
	Exactly.
	Athlete.
	He claims.
	Full circle.
	That's when Jews and Italians were running the NBA in the 1930s.
	Who's the commissioner in the NBA now?
	Silver.
	I don't know how much has changed.
	Then who?
	People.
	Stern?
	Stern, Silver?
	What are you talking about?
	They're saying two Jews, two Jews, Jews.
	Yeah, who's running the NBA?
	I know, but who would you run?
	More than just the NBA.
	I think Stern was there.
	I think so.
	You know the whole thing.
	You want to make it in Hollywood?
	Shut your face.
	You know, that's what they told me years ago.
	I'm still fancy.
	We're coming down to the end of it.
	But at the beginning, I asked you guys a question about, you know, what sports tougher, right?
	We're talking about the players, you know, MLB, NBA, all this other stuff.
	Go to 90s, okay?
	90s, if Nolan Ryan and Michael Jordan fight.
	Oh, I love it.
	If Nolan Ryan and Jordan follow it, who takes it?
	This Jordan beats the shit out of you.
	Nolan Ryan?
	Michael Jeffrey.
	I know.
	I love Nolan Ryan too.
	You like what he stands for?
	Robin Venturo.
	We better get him on the call.
	Michael Jordan is going to destroy Nolan Ryan.
	Who's he fighting?
	Steve Kerr?
	Get out of here.
	The greatest athlete of all time is Michael Jeffrey Jordan.
	Stop.
	And he's a sociopath.
	How big is that?
	Nolan Ryan's way bigger than you guys think.
	Nolan Ryan's a dude.
	Nolan Ryan's a big dude.
	Nolan Ryan is a big dude, but Michael Jordan is a sociopath.
	The dude throws 110 miles an hour.
	You don't think he could throw a hoof?
	He's throwing a bunch of pitches at.
	Kobe said, I had big hands, but not the biggest.
	I was quick, but not the quickest.
	I was fast, but not the fastest.
	I could jump, but I couldn't jump the highest, right?
	All of those things he said, Michael would replace a sentence like this.
	I had the biggest hash.
	I had the fastest first step.
	I was the quickest, and I jumped the highest.
	Ultimate narcissist.
	Your ass, right?
	The ultimate narcissist.
	Well, dude, you bring it back to back in the day, the American gladiators and stuff.
	There was video game Monster League, like all that stuff.
	Nitro?
	Yeah, dude, I know that this is a joke and we're like super, you know, manly on today's podcast, but I do.
	You talk about 20 years?
	That's manly?
	Yeah, manly around here.
	God damn it.
	Shit, dude.
	But in 20 years, man, do you think there's even freaking contact sports?
	Yes, Gerard.
	Honestly, the NFL's going somewhere.
	You think you're going to be able to touch the quarterback in 20 years?
	Do you think you're actually going to be able to sack the quarterback in 20 years?
	Yes, that's kind of the whole point of the freaking game, dude.
	I don't know.
	What do you think, like, UFC?
	I think it's happening 20 years from now.
	We're running around and fighting all ballerina dresses.
	Are there a lot of kids out there playing tackle football on the streets anymore?
	Are there a lot of kids?
	Like when we were growing up, you can go down any block.
	You can see kids riding their bikes, bicycles on the side of the street, and then people playing tackle football on the pavement.
	When was the last time you saw it?
	What are you doing?
	That's what I'm talking about.
	We didn't think we would play in the fucking grass.
	Yeah, well, you're also soy boys.
	Dude, we played tackle football in the grass.
	There's no skin on anybody's knees up there.
	bing bong so what i'm talking about is bro when was the last time you even saw kids riding their bikes anywhere man That's all I'm saying.
	I sound like a big business.
	I see gangs of bike kids.
	I see gangs of bike kids just doing their tricks.
	Neither one of you guys have kids.
	Kids ride bikes.
	Yeah, bike kids on a bike all the time.
	Yeah, kids ride bikes.
	So I don't want to drive you, but I'm with you.
	Brandon, this was a blast, my man.
	Really enjoyed it.
	Appreciate you for coming out.
	Definitely really enjoyed it.
	Yeah, thank you.
	Take care, everybody.

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