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00:00 - Start
00:47 - Tyson/PHP Vegas
6:20 - Mafia States of America
28:30 - Arnold "Screw your freedom"
50:45 - Afghanistan
59:34 - End of imperialist policy?
1:17:08 - How long do we have to stay in Afghanistan
1:28:13 - Deterrence, wartime leader
I'm in Connecticut next week, so we'll do a podcast this week.
We will not be doing it next week, but it's good to be back with you.
Great to be back.
How are you?
I'm wonderful.
We're just recovering from Vegas.
I'm feeling great.
How was Vegas?
What a show, man.
I mean, you're not big on compliments, so I'm not going to even go that route because you're just going to say thank you and deflect.
But I'm just going to compliment your company.
How about that?
I like that, dude.
Okay.
Wow.
What an event that PHP put on.
What an event.
You know, I was there last year at the virtual event, which was 30 people in a room virtually.
You had Pitbull, General Mattis, Trey Gowdy.
And it was really dope.
It was cool.
Just to see it function.
And it went off without a hitch at a virtual event.
To see an event put on at the MGM Grand, 10,000 people in attendance, Nikki Jam performing, Sebastian Maniscalco, all the leaders of the company, people talking, and to see it go off without a hitch, live and in person, just respect everyone involved.
I've talked about Tyson's interview.
Everything Tyson said, what stuck with you?
He said a lot of stuff.
Yeah, Mike Tyson was there.
I've never heard before.
What are some of the things that stuck?
He's like, you know, I'm nine years old.
He says, I don't know how strong I was.
I used to fight like this.
He says, people will come and do stuff to me.
I go like this.
Like, I didn't want to, you know, I don't want to, I close my eyes.
And so I would knock people out.
He says, that's when I realized how strong I was.
So he says, one time I'm nine years old.
I got $5,500 cash in my pocket.
And I'm going, and you just got a ghost through that.
So you go, hold on, hold on, hold on.
You're nine years old.
You're nine.
You're so $5,500.
He says, yeah, I was $5,500 in my pocket.
How do you have $5,500?
Nine years old.
I'm robbing people.
He says, I'm straight up robbing people at night.
Nine years old.
Nine years old.
He says, so eventually everybody realized who I was.
So he says, I used to knock a lot of kids out and then they would bring their daddies and I would knock out their daddies out.
Yeah.
Imagine being a grown-ass man getting knocked out by.
I'll tell you, he was very honest.
Yeah, very.
Very seventy style-spoken, you know.
Even because, you know, there was a group of us before.
He was pretty happy, though, before when we got there, like in the room.
Yeah, he smelled like he's maybe at Smoke Cell.
Oh, yeah, well, he has Tyson.
I was Tyson.
It smelled like he just came out of his pocketbook.
Hot box, right.
Yeah, exactly.
It smelled like he just came out of his hot box.
Within five minutes, I was with him.
I was having chips in burritos.
You know, I'm like, hey, can we told?
I told Caroline, Caroline, we need some chips.
We need some.
Hey, man.
But even like when we were taking pictures, you know, there was a few of us that met him before and took some pictures of them.
And he was very gracious and shook our hands.
And I even said, hey, Mike, like, why don't we stand like this?
Hey, man, just peace.
I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to fight you, man.
Right.
Did you shake his hands?
Oh, yeah.
He's got massive hands.
His hands, those hands felt like this made sense.
Cement mixers.
This makes sense why this so many people are.
In the last few months, because of you, we've had the pleasure of meeting some of the biggest, strongest athletes I've ever seen in my life.
Mike Tyson, Bo Jackson, Gerard, Bo Jackson.
That guy's hands were ridiculous.
I think Bo is in a league of his own.
I don't know if I put anybody in Bo's league.
That guy's body is just.
That guy just made no sense what he looked.
Nikki Jam crushed it, by the way.
Nicky Jam was awesome.
I thought he was going to be good, but I didn't think he was going to be great because when I announced it, you know, half the company is not Latino, half the company is.
But the entire time, people stood up dancing for an hour straight.
Sebastian Manascalca tells a joke about Matt Zapala, and it lights the place up.
I messaged him afterwards.
He says, he says, remind me to never say anything to the guy in the green jacket again.
Exactly.
Sebastian Manascalco called out Matt Zapala.
Nikki Jam called out your friend John Mason, made him dance.
Yeah.
It was just an awesome event.
Which highlight was the ending, though.
The night, the party, you rented out Hakasan.
My friend Michael Francis was there.
Flex Wheeler was there.
He showed up.
There's a bunch of friends.
Tegren was popping bottles.
You got to give a shout out to him.
By the way, I heard you got a great massage.
Yeah, the massage is very good.
Thanks, sir.
It's good stuff, man.
I'm excited for it.
That's an inside joke, but the world's going to take in many different ways.
Just know that Adam had a good time as well.
Inside a fair assessment.
They're faced.
Full-on blushing.
Story.
Thank you.
Anyways, hey, we got a lot of stuff to cover.
Arnold said, screw your freedom.
He said specifically to you, to me, screw your freedom.
Adam, your family came here for what America offers.
He said, screw your freedom.
We're going to cover that.
A Honda's Wagner card sells for $6.6 million.
New record, shattering prior record.
Outside of that, the Taliban and Afghanistan, absolute travesty.
What's going on over there?
I'm sure we're going to spend most of the time talking about what's going on over there.
1,400 people, as of right now, death toll of the earthquake that took place in Haiti.
My prayers goes out to the families out there.
That's a tough situation to be in, especially when Kai and I were looking at the video this morning.
You know, when the infrastructure, sometimes you don't even think about infrastructure, right?
Like you don't, you go to a building, you work in a building, you sleep on a condo, you sleep in an apartment, you sleep in a house.
You don't sit there think about infrastructure.
You just think about, I'm sure they did a good job.
But a lot of these other countries, man, that's one of their biggest fears is the infrastructure of the building you're living in.
1,400 people from a seven-point-something earthquake.
And then New York City, Keys to New York City, de Blasio, I'm sure you got some thoughts on that.
We'll cover that as well because De Blasio and Gerard, you got a few things.
Mutual affection right there.
One of Adam's heroes, Chet Hanks, Tom Hanks' son, had some things to say about vaccine.
And then outside of that, Mafia States of America, which is this whole project that we've been working on.
I think, why don't we get into that a little bit?
Do we want to finish with that or do we want to get into that?
Don't bury the lead.
Don't bury the lead.
Go ready.
So, look, you know, Michael and Sammy, okay?
This sit-down.
Everybody kept asking me, is this going to happen?
Is this going to happen?
Is this not going to happen?
Is it eventually going to be where these guys are going to sit together?
I'll tell you my story of what happened behind closed doors.
You've been a project, obviously.
You've been the director of the project from beginning to the end.
Sammy and I had a conversation two years ago when Sammy first got out of jail.
And I said, hey, Sammy, how you doing?
He says, you the guy that interviewed Michael Francis?
I said, yes.
He says, what the interview was this?
Two and a half hours, he just went trashing, Michael.
And I'm like, listen, Sammy, all I want to do is why don't you and I get together?
I wouldn't get together with nobody.
So anyways, going back and forth, a month goes by, two months, three months, six months.
We follow up.
I said, why don't I just come by and you and I sit down and visit?
No.
Great.
So every time, no, no.
Nine months later, he agrees.
So we go to Phoenix, me and Mario.
Hey, let's go have a sit down with Sammy.
And he said, I want you to meet me at this location.
We go to this one location.
Guy comes outside.
He picks us up.
We walk all the way to the back of the building.
You walk in, you walk in, you walk in.
At the end of it, Mario's like, listen, it's getting a little too deep of a walk.
It's getting darker.
We get all the way to the end.
And then, boom, there's Sammy de Bo Gravano.
We sit down.
Couple hours we're talking.
You know, he shares his thoughts.
He says, let me think about it, what we're going to do.
Then we finally do the interview.
It pops 12 million views.
Short clips, everything together, 25 million views.
And then at the end of the interview, I'm like, you know, Sammy, you know what would be great?
What?
It'd be great if you and Michael sat down together.
What did you say?
Me and Michael never happened.
I'd never.
It's okay.
Now I go to Michael and I present to Michael Michael.
I'm not going to do it.
So they've gone back and forth calling each other out behind closed doors.
I'm trying to see if we can make this happen or not.
I understand why they wouldn't want to meet with each other because two different families.
Finally, finally, they agreed.
And we met in an undisclosed location, security, the whole nine.
You couldn't find where we were at.
You know, where we, we can't even tell the location right now.
But we went to this place, we sat down.
How many hours of footage do we have, by the way, of them talking?
Oh, yeah, of them, the two of them talking.
15 hours, 16 hours, 16 hours.
16 hours of them talking.
Just them.
So imagine like a 16-hour podcast is what it is.
So we came back, then we have Giuliani.
How many hours was Giuliani?
Three hours?
Three.
At his place.
No, that's three hours on camera.
You guys chatted for like another two hours off camera.
What are some, how crazy were some of the things Rudy said?
Honestly, to the point where we're concerned if we could put it out.
Some of the stuff we don't know if we can put out of what Rudy said.
Some of the stuff we can.
I know a lot of people are going to say, Pat, put the whole thing out.
We definitely cannot put the whole thing out.
I can tell you.
We own the footage.
We can't put it out.
You're not on YouTube.
Yeah, probably not on YouTube.
And by the way, some of the stuff that Michael and Sammy said we may not be able to put on YouTube.
But a lot of people have been asking about when is this coming out?
And, you know, Chas Palmenteri, legendary actor, you know, Bronx Tale, all of these things.
He's also in it.
He absolutely crushed it.
And by the way, he was a writer, so he helped write.
He did, yeah.
A big part of it with you.
You guys were co-writing together.
Yeah, it was awesome.
So it was a great experience.
The question everyone's asking is: when is this coming up?
We let the teaser out, which people are furious.
Well, are you ready to announce the release date?
I can tell you when it's ready to deliver.
I don't know if we're going to address the release date yet.
I think we maybe let the trailer do its part by Friday.
But I can say.
You want to tease the release date?
It ain't coming out for four to six weeks.
Okay.
I can tell that for a fact.
It ain't coming out for four to six weeks.
So hang in there.
There's a lot of pissed off people right now on Twitter, YouTube, everywhere saying why do you do this to us?
Why isn't it coming out tomorrow?
It ain't coming out for four to six weeks.
But it's going to be coming out soon.
And the topics are some topics for about four to five weeks.
We're thinking about doing two episodes every week for four to five weeks.
The world is going to stop for four to five weeks.
Each week it's going to be two episodes.
We'll premiere.
And they're going to be glued to the screen.
People sitting down together with popcorn.
Remember how we did the last dance?
I was just going to say this is very the last dance as completely unscripted.
Yeah.
Just to be clear, when Pat's talking about writing, we're talking about narration.
We're talking about writing the ins and the outs.
There's absolutely nothing that was said.
There's nothing that was orchestrated here.
And this is real and unscripted.
There was not one part where we said, hey, Michael, can you say that one more time?
Hey, Sammy, can you say that one more time?
Like, if they're going back and forth with each other and they were having a discussion about something, hey, can we get another cut on this?
Sammy, say that one more time.
None of that.
When's the last time they even sat in a room together?
Well, can I tell a story about what almost happened or do you want to save it for behind the scenes?
Which part?
Which story?
When we got there and the whole everything was set.
Go for it.
You tell it.
You tell it.
Dude, so here we are.
We've flown a 30-person crew halfway around the world.
All right.
And Pat's got $100,000 worth of gear and an entire crew set.
We got there four hours early.
We took this castle and we turned it into a set.
And then we're waiting, waiting, waiting on set, waiting for talent, waiting for talent, waiting for talent.
And they were still negotiating whether or not they were going to do this past call time.
They were supposed to be on 9 a.m.
The two of them are with Michael's team and Sammy's team and me and Mario.
I don't, I mean, you're a business guy, so you like this stuff.
My balls would have been in my throat.
I got $200,000 worth of loss sitting 50 yards away.
It's not done, by the way.
Dude, what did I tell you?
I was like, what are you doing?
What are we doing?
I was like, what?
Did you not have a contract?
What the hell are we doing here, man?
Like, did you just jump out of an airplane and hope somebody threw down a parachute?
Like, what the hell happened?
Crazy.
And by the way, this entire time I'm talking to Rudy Giuliani, we're going back and forth.
Rudy, Rudy's pissed off.
We're trying to make it work with Rudy.
He was supposed to fly.
Yeah, I mean, we'll talk about that later, but that's a completely different thing.
And Rudy's the guy that brought down the mob, right?
That's the reason that you wanted to have his insight.
Rudy has to be a part of this.
So Rudy, you have to realize, man, outside of everything that people say with Rudy and Trump, prior to Rudy and Trump, Rudy was like the alpha man, a top 10 alpha men of America, mayor of New York, you know, G-Man Award, whatever.
Say what you want about Rudy.
The man saved New York City.
I lived through it.
The man saved New York City.
Well, he was a hero in the 90s.
4,000 people got arrested.
4,000 arrests.
How many people over 100 years?
Eight got over 100 years, some ridiculous number, like what this guy did.
But back to my original question.
When's the last time Sammy and Michael actually sat down and spoke?
Here's what you have to realize.
Never.
Never.
They've never spoken.
The last time made men sat down face to face to do something like this.
You know, when's the last time that happened?
No.
It's called never.
Wow.
This has never happened.
And if it's happened, it's behind closed doors, never with cameras.
It's the first time ever.
Yeah.
And by the way, you have to realize there's a group of people that are saying Sammy's going to win the sit-down.
And there's a group of people that are leaning towards Frenzies.
Matter of fact, we have a website, Mafia States of America, a lot of unique merchas coming out.
A lot of people asking about autographs.
We're going to be doing this poster, Mafia States of America, signed by Michael Sammy, limited edition.
It's probably going to be only the first 100 or maybe the first 500 that we'll do that comes out where you're going to be able to put that on the wall.
There are some that are saying Michael's going to win the sit-down.
There are some that are saying Sammy's going to win the sit-down.
And matter of fact, I may, if Michael or Sammy, I've got to make this call to them as well.
We may bring them on the podcast pre-release, individually.
We got to do it individually, obviously.
We may bring Michael, and we'll have him one week.
We may bring Sammy the next week on a podcast like this to discuss their experience before this going live.
That'd be awesome.
That'd be sick if we do that.
They're pretty heated up, man.
Make a note of that.
Make a note of that for me to make the phone call afterwards.
But what was nuts was like the history, the history of America more than anything else.
You don't even have to be a mob fan.
You don't need to have to be like a mafia.
That was going to be my question, actually.
How does this normal person?
The stuff that they talked about, Hoffa, about Kennedy, the stuff that they talked about.
I mean, I don't know how deep you want me to go into it, but like the Joe Bonano book, like this, dude, as a history buff, as a political official.
I don't know.
Mario Cuomo came up.
Mario Cuomo came up by both Giuliani and Frenzies and Gravano.
Well, he's the Italian governor of New York.
Yeah, but apparently what everybody said, the affiliation with the mob.
So Mario was apparently connected.
Giuliani said, I want to release.
I'll let them tell the story and what it was.
But it was very interesting on the angle they took and how they felt about Andrew, how they felt about Mario Cuomo, what role he played in the streets of New York, the level of respect.
Very, very unique angle that they took.
And then there was a couple parts where, you know, they talked about how all the industries that were part of that was illegal, now they're multi-billion dollar industries.
You have to hear how they explain it.
Like how they trained the U.S. government to do it.
Like they trained essentially.
Their strategies and tactics are being used today by the U.S. government and are being used today by Fortune 500 companies.
That's why it's called Mafia States of America, right?
The whole idea is we trained the Mafia United States.
They were part of it.
Think about Bank of America.
You know, Bank of America used to be Bank of Italy.
No.
If you go look up, did you know this or no?
Hey, Kai, can somebody come up here, jump on Wikipedia real quick?
Type in Wikipedia, Bank of America.
Kai stepped out.
If you can come up here, Bank of America, before Bank of America became Bank of America, was Bank of Italy.
You have no idea.
No, no.
Type in Bank of America.
Hey, there's David.
Type in Bank of America, Dave.
By the way, David, how you doing?
Doing well.
Doing good.
Good.
He's been waiting for this moment for weeks.
No, man.
David's ever since.
Okay, go Wikipedia.
Go Wikipedia.
Go down to Wikipedia.
Try to find Bank of America.
Go lower.
Wiki.
Okay, good.
Type in the Control-F Italy.
Okay, there you go, right there.
Right there.
Shows right there.
One branch of its history stretches back to Bank of Italy, founded by Bank of Italy, from Zen Frisco, Constantine Bank of America, October 17, 1904.
It's on Germany.
Bank of Italy founded the Bank of Italy in San Francisco in 1999, Bank of America.
So the whole thing started off with them giving loans to Italian because back then nobody would give Italians loans because they didn't think highly of Italians.
They thought like, oh, you know, there were names for Italians, just like there's a lot of different names for them.
So they started off supporting them and then Bank of Italy.
This is early 1900s.
Early 1990s.
The monstrosity that it is today.
So the power and the influence of the Italian community and the Italian mob is very much deep-rooted in the history of America the last hundred years.
I mean, really.
So, you know, when this thing comes out, everybody's right now talking about, you know, the biggest conversation is: will Michael's approach win or will Sammy's approach win?
And there's a team Franzese, there's a team Gravano, two heavyweights.
Two heavyweights.
And what families are they with?
Colombo and Gambino.
Yeah.
Who's Colombo?
Franzis.
Franze.
And by the way, Sammy was with, he was before he was with Gambino.
He was with another family.
Colombo wanted him, yeah.
And they kind of made the trade, you know, and they said, hey, you ain't going to be able to work out over here.
And they went to the Gambino family, and then obviously they became the underboss for John Gotti.
Can I ask you a, it's kind of a weird question, but it's in the light of the last dance, right?
So, you know, look, I've seen good fellas.
I've seen casino.
I've got, who doesn't love these kind of movies, right?
Obviously, you've, by the way, kudos to you, by the way.
I mean, if you guys understood what Gerard was doing, these guys sleeping on couches over here just to get this job.
The whole team is a little bit more.
It's really impressive.
Yeah, it's really impressive.
But for sort of the layman, you know, in the last dance mold, is there a Michael Jordan of the Mafia?
Who would Sammy be?
Who would Francaise be?
That question was asked.
I'm opening up a can of worms here.
I get it.
Who are these characters in the, you know, if to use the NBA analogy, would you do something like that?
Listen, I'll let them answer it because they actually addressed that question where, you know, who, where Michael said, who was the greatest?
Because LeBron came up and Jordan came up, then like, who's the greatest gangster of all time?
And they were kind of going back and forth saying who it was, who it wasn't.
I'll give you one interesting one.
Rudy doesn't think it was an Italian.
Rudy thinks it was a Jewish guy, greatest gangster.
Which you know where that goes, by the way.
That only goes one side on where this thing goes to.
Meyer Lansky?
Where is this?
I mean, Meyer was Meyer.
The brain.
Then they call him the brain.
Meyer was.
I don't know.
You're familiar with the Jewish community?
Yeah, I've known a couple of people.
I've known a couple brains.
So was Ben Siegel.
Bugsy Siegel, of course.
You don't call them Bugsy.
They say you call them Bugsy.
The Jews and the Italians worked together very closely.
Because at the end of the day, they said...
Irish as well back in the day.
It was all immigrants.
Similarly, Italians got the Jews cut.
So there was a little bit related to each other.
There was a certain anti-immigrants.
Exactly.
So to talk about that, I mean, the history of the mob is really kind of the history of immigration in America, especially in cities.
The Jews were the OGs.
So when you talk about St. Patrick's Day, and what do you think St. Patrick's Day?
You think corned beef, cabbage?
Alcohol.
I don't think alcohol is true.
But the corned beef and cabbage had, there's no corned beef and cabbage in Ireland.
That was something that the Jewish, I guess, settlers, well, however you call them, the original Jewish immigrants in New York City, they taught the Irish immigrants.
There was no refrigeration.
They taught them how to salt their meat.
They taught them how to boil the cabbage.
So the corned beef and cabbage is in the Irish immigrant remembrance from when they came over here and they were second-class, third-class citizens.
You can look at it.
I mean, if people want to really go deep into the history of, like, I'm Irish, so obviously this matters to me.
But if you want to go deep into the history, you can look.
And it says, no colored, no Irish applied.
They were actually called Irish N-words.
If you Google it, you know, there's a whole Harper's Bazaar where They were thought of as, you know, the northern black.
So by the way, here's the other part about this.
That's an interesting point you're making.
The one interesting part about this whole thing that's going on with Sammy and Michael is there's a big community that doesn't want to see this go live.
Oh, I'm sure there's people that do not want this.
Oh, I mean, the emails and the calls we're getting, there's a big community that's not happy about this.
The DMs privately coming to us.
There is a massive community that does not want to see this thing take place.
Massive community.
We need this community.
I can't.
I can't.
I can't do.
Of course, I can't.
I can't even tell you, but it's connected to that life.
But there's a big community that doesn't want to see this become live because, hey, you're telling a story to men who have experience in this.
And Michael's dad wasn't just any man.
He was Sonny Franzi's 55 years time in prison.
One of the most feared men in the streets of New York, in the streets of America.
He claims to have been with everybody.
And this is not a guy that brags about it.
One day I was in New York driving around.
We spent a whole day together.
I was trying to get him to do an interview.
Wouldn't open up nothing.
Like that guy wouldn't say anything.
That's Michael.
That's who trained Michael.
So think about who trained Michael is Sonny.
Sonny comes from the era of Lucky, Meyer, Costello.
104 years old means you were 20 years old in 1940.
Yeah, that's not just hard on you.
You're 20 years old in the 30s.
How old is he?
He died at 104 years old, 103 years old.
How long ago?
He died a year and a half ago.
Wow.
He took everything to the grave.
He took everything to the grave, wouldn't say anything.
I drove him.
I said, hey, tell me about Meyer Lansky.
Is it true he was a billionaire?
He was the richest man.
He says, Myra was a great man.
I said, how about Lucky?
How about Ben Siegel?
He said, how about Bugsy?
What do you think?
I said, don't call him Bugsy.
You can't call him Bugsy.
You cannot call him Bugsy.
His name is Ben.
You call him Ben Siegel.
I said, how about Ben Siegel?
He says, Ben Siegel, one of the best men I ever did business with.
I said, are you kidding me?
Sonny, the stories you read about Ben Siegel, what he did, great man.
I said, Sonny, how about your story?
A lot of people say you took a lot of people out.
They say you were one of the most feared men in the streets.
I was innocent.
So then on Sammy's side, Sammy's bringing history.
Sammy's still loyal to the life.
He still is a gangster.
Like Sammy's still today.
He may be free, but Sammy is not Michael, who was a changed man.
So there is two different worlds colliding, and there's communities on both sides that don't want the sit down to take place.
Well, I would tell you that, you know, one of my concerns going into it was I kind of grew up in that environment, and my father hated the mob, my God, and he hated them.
He thought these guys were bullies and all this other stuff.
And I was just, look, this to me is interesting.
These are very, very interesting guys.
We have to document.
This isn't a part of American history.
It's going away.
We have to document this, right?
This is something that these are stories that need to be told.
This is part of the fabric of our society.
This is something that made us who we are.
But I didn't want to glorify the crime.
I didn't want to do this.
They don't romanticize.
I didn't want to do this because Rudy.
Rudy does not.
Well, this is what I was going to say.
The thing probably you did better than anything else in producing this and hosting it, you pressed these guys.
This was not a puff piece by any chance.
You pressed these dudes on every step of the way.
Every kind of excuse they gave you, you pressed back, you pushed back.
Why didn't you just go legit?
Obviously, this model works.
You should have went legit.
This is a different, different kind of an interview.
It's a very technical interview because you would ask a question.
We would go and go a little deeper.
And then they went.
And they went.
Which is awesome.
And we're sitting on extracting the best part to put it in the jars on a great job putting that together.
Anyways, I cannot wait for the world to see this when this premieres in the next four, six, eight weeks.
And by the way, people who are upset about it, listen, we can put it somewhere else and charge you $100 if you're upset about it.
Can do it the right way.
Because this is all going on YouTube.
Here's a question for you: Do you think a Netflix, a Hulu, and Amazon wants the rights to this?
Thousands of hours of footage?
Are you kidding me?
They'll cut a multi-million auto check easily.
We don't need the money for this.
This is something I want the world to see.
I want the world to see this.
So it's going to be interesting to see what happens with this.
We're going to own the rights to this for as long as Valuetainment can hold the rights to this.
I mean, this is going to be the first biggest project where we put a good amount of money into Chava, half a million dollars at this point to make this happen.
This is the biggest project in Value Taint history.
It's in the history ever.
It's not even close.
This is creating history.
I mean, it's the production value.
Look, we're working hard on a man, but I think the people are going to love it.
I really do.
It's fun.
Last thing before we move on.
I'm just talking about the teaser that went out.
It was what, a minute long?
How long was it?
50 seconds, 47 seconds.
Awesome.
Captivating.
Chaz comes in.
This is a true story.
This isn't amazing, right?
You're captivated.
And like the line that the first line you really hear Sammy say to Michael, and this is what I want you guys to explain: is like, what happened to Omerta?
And you fucking did this and da-da-da.
And like, just, and you said Sammy's still in that life.
Just explain that, the Omerta and the whole thing with that.
And Sonny not speaking.
But you got to realize, Sammy's still a gangster.
Sammy is still a gangster.
And Sammy called Michael out hardcore.
I mean, Sammy called Michael out.
It was a direct call out.
And Michael didn't back down.
And they went head to head.
Like, there's certain areas like you'll see Michael.
You're like, well, Michael, you know, just kind of is probably going to be passive in that area.
Michael pushed back.
And there are certain areas where Sammy is just brutal.
Zero filters.
Again, for the people that have followed these stories, they're going to be glued to the screen.
And it's very technical because in the world of the mob, it is a very technical conversation.
Yet at the same time, they're both good storytellers.
So you're hearing it from, you know, two men who have been able to sit down with some of the most powerful people in the mob last however many years.
Yeah.
It's going to be.
And Pat, how many hours have you spent speaking, sitting down with the mob?
I mean, at this point, you got to be some sort of made man.
I'm somewhat qualified.
Exactly.
That's what I was just going to say.
Well, look, I hate, I don't want to sound like a salesman here, but you do have to go to Mafia States of America because you're talking about Omerta.
There's going to be so many esoteric terms.
That's also been an interesting part of this.
It's like these terms are terms I grew up with.
I just assumed everybody knew them.
And then, you know, our production assistants, you know, like I'm talking with like one of our production assistants is like, you know, a 20, 21-year-old Latina girl from Miami.
And she's like, she thought Benson Hearst was a guy.
She had no idea.
She had no idea.
You got to get out of your liberal East Coast bubble, John.
And she was like, I'm having her batch B-roll.
And she's like, for the life of me, I can't find a picture of this Benson Hearst.
I was like, Benson Hurst, the part of Brooklyn?
Yeah.
Are you serious?
So like, we're going to have a glossary of terms to get brushed up on so you know what Omerta is.
You know what these places are.
You know, we may even afterwards do a behind the scenes because I think some people would want to see some of the stuff that we did behind the scenes.
If we can get a behind the scenes put together, people got to see how this was behind closed doors because all the other stuff is great.
It was intense.
Yeah, it was intense.
Anyway, so again, stay tuned.
Well, congratulations, guys.
This is awesome.
It looks amazing.
Six, eight weeks, maybe 10.
We're trying to get it closer to six.
Stay tuned.
And by the way, here's what we may do.
Here's what we may do.
We may, after all the episodes have gone live, we may host a live event with all the parties involved and a QA session.
We may just bring it out.
How are you going to get them to play nice in the same room?
I have no idea, but we may do something.
We figured it out along the way.
We may do something like that.
Like get a haul with a town.
Maybe do something here in Florida.
Maybe we'll do like a fountain blue or we'll take something, you know, a neutral place and we'll go in and audience will be able to buy tickets.
I foresee those tickets selling out in no time and we'll MC it and host it and bring them out.
And they think that would crush it.
You know what would be funny is to see the guest list.
The guest list is what would be funny and the kind of security you'd need.
They need to escort everybody.
And the FFBI is sitting there going, can we get access to the guest list?
Then we'll go into the Taliban and what happened there.
So Arnold's story.
He goes out there and he says a few different things.
This is a Hollywood reporter's story.
By the way, Kai, can we put up the video or no?
Is that something that we can put up?
You say no?
Okay.
Well, Arnold, in an interview, goes out there and tells in the interview, screw your freedom.
This is a Hollywood reporter story.
He gave his fellow Americans a blunt message this week.
Screw your freedom.
The former governor in California, an actor, was adamant about his stance on COVID-19 safety precautions.
He says, there's a virus here.
It kills people.
And the only way we prevent it is to get vaccinated, to wear masks, do social distancing, washing your hands all the time, and not just to think about it.
Well, my freedom is being kind of disturbed here.
No, screw your freedom because with freedoms comes obligations and responsibilities.
You cannot just say, I have the right to X, Y, and Z. When you affect other people, then it gets serious.
The responsibility is similar to the following rules at a traffic light so no one gets killed, the former governor said.
So that's Arnold's commentary.
Now, I got some thoughts on this, but I want to hear your thoughts.
Gerard, what do you think about what Arnold said to screw your freedom?
Oh, man, two things go through my mind.
I'm the biggest Arnold guy in the world, too.
And three things go through my mind.
First of all, former Republican governor of California.
So there you go.
You want a recall, by the way.
Yeah, former Republican governor of California.
So, you know, it goes to Adams.
It's both sides things.
It's very clearly there is this, you know, elite aristocracy, and then there's the rest of us unsophisticated plebeians who we have to get herded into these cattle cars.
We've got to get this shot.
But they can have their 700-person parties in Martha's Vineyard with no masks because, you know, they earn the freedom there.
Well, they're probably all vaccinated.
Yeah, because that worked out for them.
75 of them are sick now.
But anyway, the point I'm trying to make here is, man, it's you, the Christopher Nolan line in the dark night.
You either die the hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
How can this guy who grew up in the shadow of totalitarian Europe, all right, he grew up after Nazi Germany and with the USSR, the steel curtain, literally above him.
And he has been here for 60 years.
Every one of his dreams came true thanks to the freedoms of this country.
And now that he's on the back nine, he's like, screw your freedoms.
Screw your freedoms.
I've gotten everything I wanted.
It worked for me.
Screw your freedoms.
Now don't make me sick.
Like, it's the most narcissistic thing that I've ever heard somebody say.
It was the most tone-deaf thing I've ever heard somebody say.
And this is not a dumb guy.
He's an incredibly intelligent man.
He's a dumb guy.
And I'm wondering if somebody got to him.
I'm wondering if there's what's going on behind the scenes where he's, Bill Burr has a whole bit on him being a great man.
It's one of the funniest comedy bits of all time.
It's hilarious.
If you've never heard it, of course I've heard it multiple times.
Well, look, I'd love to hear Bill Burr's commentary on this because you know what?
I don't know, Bill.
This is one of the things that you could actually do to make you no longer a great man.
Adam.
What do you think?
Yeah, well, I mean, you grew up, you said you're a hero of Arnold.
You literally wanted to be Arnold growing up.
So I was never like a big Arnold guy.
Obviously, I watched Total Recall and Terminator.
But I never looked up to Arnold being from Florida.
I was never, you know, you're from California.
He was your governor for however many years.
How long was he the governor when you were living there?
Eight years.
Eight years.
I've never recall governor.
Yeah, I've never total recall.
I've never had this fascination with Arnold.
I guess my question is, does he have a point at all?
Clearly, his past history coming from Austria or whatever, the Iron Curtain, and now living the most amazing life ever, United States.
Obviously, his perspective has changed significantly in the last 50 years.
I guess my question is, does he have a point?
And if he does, do you look at him any differently, Pat?
Yeah, so a couple different things for me here.
A couple different things for me here.
When I think about like in the world of bodybuilding, Arnold's a hero.
Aaron Singerman, the founder and CEO of Redcon, who gave a half a million dollars to the Trump Obama interview, you know, he made a video yesterday.
Very respectful, very fair, but he called him out.
He said, we're no longer doing a sponsorship with Arnold Classic anymore.
And he cut out hundreds of thousands of dollars he does every year at the Arnold Classic.
This is not a regular small company.
It's a pretty big support company.
And he says, I'm sorry, I don't support.
He says, you have the right to say that, but I have the right to not sponsor you.
I'm not doing it.
This year he pulled out, right?
Redcon.
And he's got Kai Green, all these other guys.
And Kai Green's an Arnold Classic guy, you know, so it's all this stuff that's taking place.
Here's how I see this with Arnold.
I have a very big challenge with what he said.
His poster has been on my walls in my army barracks, all over the place.
Okay, I had his poster everywhere.
I have his poster that had in the army.
Till today, it's in my stash.
I've kept it, right?
Because it was like something you got to keep from 1998, 1999 when I was at the 101st Airborne Division.
About every magazine, every year, Muscle Mag or Flex would do a special on Arnold.
I'd buy all of them.
They'd have a poster in the middle of it.
I've read Total Recall.
We made Total Recall book of the month to read in the entire company.
We've ordered 6,000 copies of his book.
We had everyone read an 800-page book.
I don't know if you've read it or not, where he goes through explaining the whole story, how the first, I think, the building he bought in Palmdale or how he decided to get into real estate.
The stories of Joe Weed.
He thought it was such a big headquarters until he comes in town.
He knows us.
Joe Weeder's office was like a small shack.
It's like, wow, Joe was really able to sell this thing.
His friendship with Franco Colombo, his experience with his dad when he's about to go compete for Mr. Universe and all of a sudden his father passes away and he has to choose whether he goes to pursue Mr. Universe or he goes back to the funeral.
He chooses to go to bodybuilding competition, then comes up, hey, you will never be an actor.
You sound weird.
You don't sound right.
And he says, no, I'm going to do it.
Then he goes and marries a Kennedy.
Then he goes out there, becomes a governor.
He goes out there and becomes a highest paid actor.
At one point, he was making 20 a movie.
He was a highest paid actor before there was Iraq.
It was Arnold.
Like everybody followed this guy's playbook.
But here's a challenge.
Here's a challenge on what happens.
When you start making money and you have fame, and I think this is what's going on with them, there's a few things that happens to you at this phase of your life.
Okay.
Your worries change.
Your worries change from, man, am I free to go out there and have my dreams become a reality?
All of those checks have been done already.
Check mark, check mark, check mark.
Now it's about, am I going to get a Nobel?
Am I going to get another prize?
Am I going to be invited to the Obama birthday party?
Am I going to get on the good list of this?
Am I going to get on the good list of that?
Because at this point, what else do you have?
Legacy.
What else do you have?
No, no, it's more.
It's not even the legacy part because saying screw your freedom, what the hell do you mean, screw your freedom, bro?
What are you talking about?
Screw your freedom.
Okay, so screw your freedom.
William Bonak is from Ghana.
Okay.
William Bonak won 2018 Arnold Classic.
Okay.
Your competitors, Roly, you know, you got Joshua is from Australia.
Joshua Lenartowitz.
We know what's going on in Australia right now.
They filled up a stadium, 25,000 kids come and get your vaccination.
Oh, guess who's not invited?
Who?
Your parents are not invited.
You know, concentration camp.
They got three people that died from COVID.
They're doing what they're doing.
Do they have freedoms?
Is that the right way of approaching things?
How about Hadi Shopan?
Hadi Chopan, who is an Iranian bodybuilder.
Go explain to him, screw your freedom.
Go explain to him what's going on in Iran right now with screw your freedom.
What the hell do you mean, screw your freedom?
Because somebody doesn't want to wear a mask, because somebody doesn't want to get a vaccine.
So let me get this straight.
If somebody doesn't want to take the vaccine or put on a mask, that person is somebody that you say, screw your freedom.
I have a very hard time with that.
I think it's out of touch.
I think he is trying to please an audience.
I don't know why.
I think standing up, he was very brave to stand up against Trump and make those videos and say all the stuff that he said.
But nowadays, he's just trying to win the wrong audience.
And I don't know what is going on through his mind when he does this.
Nobody knows a whole story about it.
He was your hero.
Have you lost respect for him?
Where is he at on your mantle right now?
Yeah, you know what it is?
To me, it's when you forget, like, listen, when a person, okay, so for example, I have, we just had a conventional last week, right, in Las Vegas.
One of the things I remind my guys the following.
I said, listen, I don't care if you make a half a million a year, a million a year, 10 million a year, 20 million a year.
The day you can no longer relate to the $15 an hour person, you lose the game.
The movie, the movie, Gladiator, where Marcus Aurelius, not Marcus Aurelius, where Gladius Maximus is asking his owner, he says, I want to earn my freedom.
What did he say?
Win the crowd, win what?
Win the hearts, win the.
Win the crowd, win your freedom, right?
Okay, great.
Arnold, you won the crowd.
You won your freedom.
Did you forget?
Did you forget what a Totalian regime did to you?
Did you forget what it was like being where you were at?
Where you have no say?
You can't say anything like that the way you just did right now.
You can't get on a video and say certain things in certain countries.
You know what's going on in Afghanistan, how scared people are?
Go explain to those guys, screw your freedom.
Yeah, the guys are going to be able to get them.
Go tell it to them.
Go tell the woman in Afghanistan, hey, sorry, you can't go to school anymore.
Your dream was to be a journalist.
One girl they're interviewing.
She's speaking eloquently in English, better than I speak in English.
And she says, one of my dreams is I told my journalist boss that I work for, I said, one day I want to own that chair.
I want to be sitting in your chair because I want to be like you, boss.
A woman saying that in Afghanistan.
Guess what?
She could do that last week.
It's over.
She can no longer do that.
Kids are going through what they're going through right now.
Girls are afraid.
A guy's being interviewed.
He says, I am afraid for my life.
Me and my sister are living together.
My dad got killed.
My mom got killed.
I'm by myself.
He's shivering, shivering while they're screaming in their back, death upon America.
Yeah, screw your freedom, Arnold.
What the hell happened with perspective?
What happened with perspective?
Are you just trying to get aligned with your best friend Tom Hanks and some of these other guys?
I'm sorry.
This is what bothers me the most.
Look, we're friends.
Yes?
Okay.
We can hang out and have a conversation together, right?
Dude, no matter how much I love you, I'm not going to compromise how much I respect capitalism.
No matter how much I love you, you cannot change my mind on capitalism.
Capitalism is capitalism.
No matter who's my, I love my mother.
She cannot change my thoughts on communism not being a good system.
I love my mom.
She's in the top three list of people, top seven people.
I got four kids now.
Top seven, eight people in my life.
Even a woman I love cannot change my values on what I saw happen to her family, what happened to different countries, and what happened to us coming over to America.
I'm an Iranian guy.
What the hell are we doing here?
Because we escaped something.
We escaped something.
Go ahead and explain, screw your freedom.
So for me, the moment you cross that line where you say something like that, just because you want a one-liner on CNN, a guy was messaging me saying the only reason he said that is because he is becoming irrelevant and he wants to kind of get some, what do you call it?
Press traction.
I disagree with that.
Arnold's never going to be relevant.
Arnold's a governor, you know, highest paid actors in the top list, you know, married a Kennedy, seven times Mr. Olympia.
The guy's legacy is stacked.
He's got a resume that's very few people in America have the guy's resume.
Very, very few people.
He has an opportunity today to actually unite America.
A guy like Arnold could be a synergist, but he's becoming a guy that's dividing.
A guy like Arnold could be one to say, look, I disagree that you don't want to take the vaccine.
I disagree that you don't want to put the mask on.
But let me tell you something.
What brought me to America was freedoms.
And I'm willing to fight for you to have the freedom to take it or not to take it.
Do you know that would make people want to take the vaccine more than the approach you took?
I don't know if that made sense or not.
If you took the approach to say, look, I understand you don't want to take the vaccine.
I understand you don't want to put the mask on.
I get that.
I totally understand.
And by the way, only 28% of African Americans are getting the vaccine.
72% are not, which means they don't trust taking a vaccine.
And the vaccine is available to who?
Everybody.
Who do they not trust?
Does that mean African Americans don't trust the government?
The government is Biden.
How do you not trust Biden?
So, wait, you're saying screw your freedom?
Are you telling African Americans, screw you, Arnold?
Is that what you're saying?
Are you telling all the African Americans, 72% that didn't get it?
You're telling them to screw their freedom?
Do you know their history?
Do you know what they didn't have for 400 years?
Do you know their history?
You're telling African Americans, screw your freedom?
I'm sorry, buddy.
I don't like that.
And let me get this straight.
Isn't the position as a guy who is politically, he ran as a Republican?
Nobody thinks he's a Republican.
He's probably a center left.
I would put him a center left guy.
I don't know if he's a center guy.
I would put center left is where he is.
And you're in the state of California.
Listen, Hispanics and African Americans kind of don't trust this stuff.
You want to tell them screw their freedoms?
Yeah.
You may want to kind of back down a little bit when you're saying something.
That's an insult to certain people.
I want to think about it.
I want to kind of do my own research.
Maybe I'm willing to take the vaccine.
Maybe it's going to take me a minute to take it.
But the approach you take, it's an insult.
So again, I'm not, you know, there used to be time where people would tell me, don't say things like that because he may never do an interview with you.
My dream in my life is not to interview Arnold.
I don't wake up in the morning saying, oh my gosh, let me say all the right things because I'm walking on exhaust.
God forbid I offend Arnold because he will never do an interview.
I don't care.
That's not my MO.
What my MO is freedom and knowing the fact that the people in America that forgot how special this country is to be re-reminded.
The last seven days, you look at Australia, you look at Afghanistan, you look at Haiti.
Those are three signs to remind you how ridiculously incredible of a country America is.
One is infrastructure.
When's the last time you saw an earthquake bringing down and 1,400 people dying in America?
I lived in LA.
Earthquakes happen all the time.
How come we don't have that kind of stuff?
Strong infrastructure.
Next one is what?
Freedoms that we have.
Women.
We celebrate women victories here.
We celebrate women going.
When's the last time you even thought about a woman cannot be a lawyer or a doctor?
That's over there, though.
So the message of what Arnold said to me is a lot deeper than just, hey, screw your freedom.
It's a lot deeper message.
And for the people who are like, well, you know, Pat, he's probably never going to sit down with you.
That's not my goal in life.
So I've got a crazy idea.
Adam's going to put up $5 million.
We're going to do a sit-down.
We're going to get it going.
It's unfortunate because this guy's a hero.
This guy's a hero.
This guy's a man I admired a lot.
You touched on this briefly.
If he actually wanted to be a synergist, what would be in his playbook?
What kind of rhetoric would you have?
What is a synergist?
What kind of movement is it?
So unpack the mindset of a synergist.
Give me the number one quality of a synergist.
They're willing to listen.
They respect both sides.
That's a synergist.
And he's not.
But they actually, you have to, you can't fake that respect.
No.
You have to genuinely respect both sides.
And these quote-unquote elites I keep talking about, they very clearly don't respect anybody else.
They don't respect that.
You don't have to respect.
Let me choose my words carefully.
You don't have to respect what they're saying, but you can respect their right to say it.
So Daryl Davis, the guy, the black man that sits down with the KKK, hates everything that comes out of their mouth.
Sure.
But he's willing and has enough respect for them to say, hey, look, you're entitled to your thoughts.
You're entitled to your opinion.
But just to be clear here, though, we're not comparing people who want the right to their bodily autonomy to the KKK.
No, it's just other people's opinions.
I sat down with David Horowitz.
I don't know if you know who David Horowitz is.
He's the father of Uh Ben Horowitz.
His son is worth three and a half billion dollars.
David Horowitz is a legendary author, wrote a different book and he started the interview.
These Democrats are commies.
I said David, you can't say that they are.
I said you can't say that.
I say you think you're gonna be able to change people minds by calling Democrats commies.
I'm sorry.
This whole thing with the Taliban in Afghanistan.
Guess what Hillary said to Biden, don't do it.
Hillary's a Democrat.
To me, Hillary's a democrat, Democrat like a real Democrat right, minus all the favors and all the money with Haiti and all that other mess that she did.
You know on the crazy side that she is, with a lot of controversy that comes.
She came out.
She said, don't do it, don't do it.
Don't pull out of Afghanistan.
Condarsa rice, don't pull out of Afghanistan.
Maybe both of them have a little bit of experience to know it's not a good idea to pull out the way you pulled out.
They're Democrats.
So they was like, no, but all Democrats are uh communists, no.
So comments like that yeah, when you make you ain't converting nobody like zero, zero.
Yeah, when you say, screw your freedom, the hell you do like, do you think that so?
So think about that common force you're playing to your base is what you're saying.
What is the matter with you?
People that already agree with you are just going to continue to agree.
Cares to do that.
I'm a diehard Laker fan.
Do I sit there and say Lakers can't do anything wrong?
No, it's not my style.
So I can say all the good things about Lakers, for them to be what do you call it bulletproof?
It's just not my style.
So you know.
This is why, when you hear people from their own side calling out somebody on their own side, they gain credibility.
Like Tucker said, look, I think uh, we should have left uh, Afghanistan a long time ago, but the way we did it was wrong.
So what's he saying?
He's agreeing right hey, we should yeah, so you got to kind of say hey listen, good for Time.
Or even Bill Maher or even Jon Stewart recently calling out your own side, Arnold had an opportunity to be one of the biggest synergists in America.
He screwed up Arnold.
Screw your freedom is what you say.
You screwed up your chance to be a synergist, and synergist to me is way above being a voice for the Republican or the Democratic Party.
It's way above that.
Let me ask you this though, because i'm of the opinion, and I agree, not all Democrats are communists, but I do believe in my heart that there are died-in-the-wool communists in the Democratic Party right now that are posing as Democrats.
I don't disagree, and I think that we have to out that, but but I don't disagree with that.
But the word, the key word is what?
What's the key word posing?
Not all are no, you're not, you're not right.
I, I got.
I run a company where we got the other day we're at the Hawker Sound.
This girl comes up, says, Pat, you know, I love you, but Adam's my favorite.
She's like to have you, but Adam's my favorite.
You know what?
Guess what?
I love it because it's discussion, it's debate, it's discourse.
Yeah, i'm comfortable with that, as long as we're having these real conversations together.
Guess what?
More power to you.
I, like you, do have a shocking amount of like socialists that follow you like not Democrats.
Like you, have a shocking amount of social socialists.
I will interview communists.
A socialist, I will interview just about anybody.
Tell me, i'll sit down with them.
I'm very comfortable with that because to me, I think a good debate is where people learn, and my goal is more to be a synergist in life than to be a You know, person that's used by a political party just because, hey, go up there and let's use this guy.
Ah, yeah, you can use me.
I'm totally fine with that.
I think man upstairs using certain people.
But the message I'm going to say is a message that's going to be what I really believe in.
Some of it you're going to like, some of you are not going to like.
I think that's really noble, but I, man, I just feel like these guys use that kindness as a weakness.
I feel like, especially in this moment, look, just call it what it is.
We're going, we're living through a global communist revolution.
We are.
We are living through China on the move.
China overturns into becoming the world's question about China making that move.
They're making the move, all right?
And they're hiding their true intentions.
And they've been doing this for a decade under the guise of other things.
It's not communism, it's humanitarianism.
It's not communism, it's the Green New Deal.
It's not communism, it's Black Lives Matter.
It's not communism.
If your ideology is so noble, if your worldview is so good, why do you constantly have to hide your intentions?
That, to me, is the biggest red flag of all.
If this grand ideal, this utopian egalitarian ideal is so good, why do you constantly have to lie about what it is?
And that, to me, is the big red flag.
And if we don't call it out, if we don't say, no, this has nothing to do with climate crisis now.
It's gone from in the last 10 years, it's gone from global warming to climate change to the climate crisis.
And I'm not saying that it doesn't exist.
All I'm saying is the messaging is getting more and more and more extreme.
Okay.
The reasoning behind it now becomes, oh, we have to completely change all the industries into our control and all of the money that you earn.
And money just represents the hours of your life.
So all the hours of your life now come into my control.
And let's say AOC, for example, okay?
How does me giving you all my money change the weather?
You got to prove your work there.
You got to show your work.
You can't just make blanket statements where this is the climate crisis.
We need to act now.
Okay.
Give me 90% of your income and I'll make the weather change.
Okay, bartender, how?
Tell me how.
I'm not saying no.
Tell me how.
It's just communism under these different names.
They are using you watch 1984.
I read the book.
I read the book.
I read Orwell once a year, depending on what have you read it?
You ever read it or not?
Yeah, back in the day.
I don't think we're living through 84.
I think we're living through Fahrenheit 451.
Have you?
Have you?
Do you remember the story or no?
Yeah, and that was also, what was the Animal Farm?
Yeah, that was another book.
Or well, also, yeah.
Yeah, I read both those books.
Animal Farm is just an allegory for the Bolshevik Revolution.
The biggest thing is, the biggest thing is to not be naive about what is going on today.
Not to be naive.
Like, for example, okay, so take what's going on right now with Afghanistan and what's going on with Taliban.
Who's happy?
That's what I want to know.
China.
Why?
They can't stop winning.
Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.
Well, there's a whole camera.
That's going to go there.
So let's go into the Afghanistan and Taliban.
What took place?
Let me read the story and then we'll get into it.
Obviously, at this point of the game, Kai, what story is it on?
Is it on page 2 or 3?
3, 3.
Page 3.
And then it goes into page 4.
There's a bunch of stuff there.
So I'm going to go through some of the stuff with Taliban and Afghanistan.
So Taliban entered Afghan capital as U.S. diplomats evacuate the CHAP.
Reuters story.
Taliban insurgents entered the Afghanistan capital, Kabul.
On Sunday, as the United States evacuated diplomats from the embassy by helicopter, more American troops were being sent to help in the evacuations after the Taliban's lightning.
Advances brought the Islamist group to Kabul in a matter of days.
Just last week, the U.S. intelligence estimates that Kabul could hold out for at least three months after U.S.-led forces withdrew the bulk of their remaining troops in the last month.
The Taliban campaign accelerated as the Afghan military defenses appear to collapse.
President Joe Biden on Saturday authorized the deployment of 5,000 U.S. troops to help evacuate the citizens and ensure an orderly and safe drawdown of the military personnel.
U.S. defense officials said that included 1,000 newly approved troops from the 82nd Airborne Division.
Kai, can you pull up that video?
I want to show the video with the plane.
It's pretty, I mean, at this point of the game, people have seen this.
This thing's probably gotten a billion views.
And not just this video here.
I mean, there's make it, can you make it bigger?
So this is a C-17.
I think it's called the Ghostmaster.
Boeing.
People are hanging on.
Those people shouldn't be on the runway, by the way.
Because they want to leave.
They don't want to stay.
They're so scared.
Now, give the other video of the plane taking off, Kai.
That's tough.
I don't know if you're going to be able to do it.
Well, listen, this next part, either watch it or don't watch it, but watch it at your own discretion because do you have it or you don't have it, Kai?
Oh, it's coming up?
Okay.
Right there.
That's the one.
Okay, check this out.
That's just the picture.
Yeah, it's see if you can find a video, Kai.
Have you seen the video?
For people that don't know what it is, man, it's the people who are literally hanging on to the wings and then they fall off in midair.
Kai, obviously, it's not here.
Can you go find a video?
And again, it needs to be said: there are not people clinging on to their fingernails into the wings of airplanes to escape capitalist America.
There are not people floating on rafts made of trash to escape capitalist America.
you'll know the audio a little bit there's people on by the way And the guy's laughing.
That's not even the one I'm looking at.
I'm looking for the one where the plane takes off and you see two bodies.
Yeah, you know, from the side.
That's the one.
That's the one.
Watch this.
7.6 million views.
Look at that.
That's a body.
That's another body.
That's two bodies.
Pause it.
That's a disturbing scene.
Screw your friend on it, right?
So, again, I got a bunch of notes here, but I'll go to you guys.
What are your thoughts when you see what's going on over there?
Any decision, all of it.
Yeah, I've actually taken some time to really do some research here and really just kind of formulate my thoughts so I can kind of express this very clearly.
So look, let's just break this down into what was then, what is occurring now, and what the future will hold, right?
So what was then?
So we, first and foremost, before we even get into any of the politics or what's going on, just respect and appreciation for the American troops that have been over there for the last 20 years giving their life for this cause.
I think you as a former Army veteran, and we have Marines here.
Let's just start with that first and foremost.
As well as the Afghani people that, you know, there's translators and communicators and everyone that's been involved.
What, 6,000 Americans have given their lives and over 100,000 Afghanis, 20 years, $2 trillion.
That's what's been.
When we went there, what were our goals initially?
We had a few different goals.
Specifically, take down Al-Qaeda, not the Taliban, Al-Qaeda.
Number two, find Osama bin Laden.
I know you interviewed his niece.
That took 10 years to do.
We went in there in 2001 after 9-11.
And then when did Obama find him?
In 2011, I want to say.
Took 10 years of doing that.
In my opinion, we should have got the hell out of there after our mission was accomplished with Osama bin Laden.
For the past, I don't know, five years, whether it was Trump, now Biden, Trump ran on no more endless wars, get the hell out of Afghanistan.
Did he not?
No more endless wars.
What the hell are we doing here?
So this is not a political affair.
He's a peaceful four years when he was president.
There was not a lot of money.
Touche.
He, what, back in 2020, he negotiated with the Taliban.
The Afghani government wasn't even in the room when he was negotiating with the Taliban.
That should have been a telltale sign.
The Afghani government no longer controls this country.
Trump negotiated with the Taliban.
So the writing's been on the wall.
This was in May of 2020.
They said September 11th of 2021, the 20-year anniversary of 9-11, we're all getting out of there.
So Biden just basically followed through what Trump was doing.
So that was then.
The American people definitely do not have an appetite for this war anymore.
Like for the most part, the overall sentiment is let's get out of there.
Now, talk about today.
It's a freaking shit show.
Nobody wants this type of exit strategy, leaving Afghanistan.
Nobody wants that.
What's for sure?
And we've seen this in Vietnam.
I can talk about, we can go back in the day, Judah and the Maccabees when Jewish people were fighting whoever was attacking Israel.
There's a big difference in willpower.
So when you have the Taliban, they're not going anywhere.
They're not stopping.
They're not ceasing.
We've been going after them for 20 years.
It's like whack-a-mole.
You're not stopping these people.
And then the other side, you have the Afghan forces who are basically mercenaries getting paid.
The money's dried up.
They stopped fighting.
Have they even fought?
Do they even have the willpower or the appetite to fight anymore?
Clearly not.
President Ghani Ashraf Ghani, he's left the country.
He's nowhere to be found.
They're gone.
So the Taliban, how that we've talked, I'm sure we're going to touch on how they've been making money, drugs and opium, and basically taxing people.
They've controlled half the country for a while now.
I do sympathize with the women, like what you talked about.
The girl, what's the young girl's name who won the Nobel Peace Prize?
Malala.
She's come out there and she's definitely vocalized and emphasized the need for humanitarian and women and bringing maybe immigrants back to the United States.
But Biden basically came out in his speech yesterday and he says the buck stops with me.
Whether you agree with him or not agree with him, I at least respect the fact that he's owning up to this.
He's taking ownership.
He's not saying anyone else.
Yeah, he said we did not think it was going to escalate this fast, this quickly.
It took 90 days.
They expected 90 days.
It happened in 10 days, which was faster than we took over the country in 2001.
Let me put a bow on this whole thing.
And that's what's going on now.
Let's talk about the future.
And you brought up China.
This is a regional issue.
Okay.
United States has been dabbling in this war.
It's our longest war in American history for 20 years now.
What have we accomplished?
Right?
Like, we're not building democracies.
We're not doing anything.
We're not nation building this point.
This is a counterterrorism mission, right?
So moving forward, what will our future look like?
There's one country, there's two countries at the center of all this, and there will be some backlash from there.
The countries at the center of this are obviously Pakistan, who's been supporting the Taliban not so secretly for 20 years.
And then who's supporting Pakistan?
China.
China's right behind Pakistan, basically saying, we got your back.
So the country that I think needs to step up in all this in the absence of the United States is India.
They border China.
I'm sorry, they border China.
They border Pakistan.
They're right on the border of Afghanistan.
And if they don't want this shit show to come into their country and have, I mean, the border of Pakistan and India has already been called the what, most dangerous border in the world.
So in my opinion, let's get to see what happens.
There's a disputed territories as well.
Of course.
But basically, in that region, obviously you have Iran, you have Russia, and it's just, let's just see what happens there.
And last but not least, let's see what happens here in the United States because there's going to be political fallout from this.
Does this help Biden?
Does this hurt Biden in the midterms?
Short term, let's focus on short term.
This is not a good look.
Long term, he's going to be the one to say, I got us out of Afghanistan.
Obviously, he's thinking about that when the midterms come around or if he runs for re-election.
So, at the end of the day, does this situation make America look strong or weak?
In my opinion, weak.
And we'll see actually what happens long term.
Gerard.
All right.
A lot to unpack there, but all right.
A couple different things.
All right.
What we're seeing right now play out is kind of the end of imperialist foreign policy, right?
It doesn't make any sense anymore to essentially colonize.
It makes no sense.
We have ICBM missiles.
We have submarines.
We've got satellites.
We have global conflict technology where you don't need these proxy wars to set up pseudo-borders and launch points.
So Afghanistan was never about Afghanistan.
Afghanistan was about a launch point to get into the East if there was ever a conflict, to get into Russia, to get into Pakistan, and then into North Korea and China, right?
This actually goes back to Bush.
Pre-9-11, he ran on this thing called the roadmap to peace.
One of the things, you know, with our propaganda system that goes back to the Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld days, he was going to go into Iraq no matter what.
He was going to finish the job that his dad didn't finish for this roadmap to peace.
This is how he was going to solve the Israeli.
You're saying Bush Jr.
Yes.
And then when 9-11 happened, and everybody knew who was coming from Afghanistan, really Saudi Arabia, too, but we never did anything with Saudi Arabia.
And Iran never did anything with Iran.
We went into Iraq and we had weapons of mass destruction and all that stuff.
But it ended up being part of this whole original plan of the quote-unquote roadmap to peace, where they were going to basically essentially try to colonize a strip from the Mediterranean Sea all the way through Afghanistan.
And that would be the basis of operations for them to invade anywhere in the world, right?
But what we've seen is democracies can't win long term.
I don't think so.
I think Stalin was right.
I don't think we have the stomach for blood, for war.
We shouldn't have been there in the very first place.
Everybody knew we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
All right.
And we needed to find a bin Laden.
But he was in Pakistan.
Right.
Correct.
So we spent 20 years and trillions of dollars in Afghanistan.
Right.
And look, man, the thing, I feel our foreign policy doesn't work because we can't.
Xi Jinping is going to be in power until we die.
We're going to have a new regime every eight years, every four years.
How can we possibly, as a nation, compete against the 30, 40, 50 year plan?
How can we possibly compete against somebody that has the resources and he has the wherewithal and the job security to have a 25, 30 year plan?
Hey, I'm not going to worry about competing with America today in 1990.
I'm going to make sure I funnel so much money into their media and their education system that their children are my allies and I'm still going to be in power.
How do we compete against something like that?
How do we compete if the left and the right are so far divided in our country that there's no actual, we talked about synergy, there's no synergy in our goals.
There's no synergy in what we want right now, depending on where your political ideology is.
We don't even live in the same reality anymore, right?
So I feel this should not be a left or right thing.
War in Afghanistan.
It absolutely is.
It absolutely is.
It still is.
Like right off the bat, you know, your reaction, and it was a good reaction, don't get me wrong, but your reaction was to be like, well, Trump, and then also Biden.
So it was a left and right thing to you.
I'm just stating the facts.
I said specifically, this is not politically.
Do you think anybody in China is saying, well, this is a Xi Jinping thing?
No, he doesn't have to worry about that.
We cannot compete against global powers that are authoritarian in nature and dictatorial because we don't have a standardized foreign policy.
Our foreign policy changes every four years.
Yeah, well, that's democracy for you.
Well, the thing is, then, guys, pull all the way out.
If you're not going to do total war, if it's not going to be Von Clauswitz, like you said, if we're going to allow the Maccabees, if we're going to allow Vietnam, where all they have to do is just outweight public opinion.
We don't have to fight.
We just run, outweigh public opinion, just drain them, bleed them out, bleed them out, drain them dry.
And then when they're gone, boom, we're coming back.
And anybody who ever helped these foreigners, we're going to ask you guys a question.
Let me ask you guys.
So I interviewed this guy last week.
It was two weeks ago.
His name is David Vine.
A liberal on the left, openly said it on the interview.
It wasn't like he was playing, hey, well, I'm on both sides.
He wrote a book called The United States of War.
And it says a global history of America's endless conflict from Columbus to the Islamic State.
He says, in the last 245 years, Kai, what was the number?
He says, U.S. has not been at war only 11 years.
I think that was a number he said.
11 years.
Non-stop, we've been at war for the last 24 years.
Look at the amount of money we spend on our defense budget, Pat.
I get that.
So then he goes into saying, well, you know, here's how many military bases we have.
Here's how much money we're spending, et cetera, et cetera.
Okay.
So when I did the tax video about two months ago, you remember the whole tax video I did?
One of the things I found out is the fact that U.S. has 800 military bases in some 70-plus countries, right?
I got a question for you.
He's saying we pull out of everywhere, is what he's saying.
China's got one military base, and we know where that is in Djibouti.
But of course, you're never going to forget the name of that.
So they had the Bahamas.
The military, active military base is Djibouti, right by the Chokehold, Suez Canal.
For obvious reasons, they rely 72% of their oil from the Middle East, so they have to kind of protect that farm.
We have like, what, 800 bases?
We have 800 bases.
So here's a couple questions for you.
Here's a couple questions for you.
What would happen if we pulled out every military base in the world?
What would happen if we did that?
Immediately?
What would happen if we took the next five years to say we're pulling everything out?
Not immediately.
The good, the bad, the ugly, you mean?
Give me what happens if we pull out everything.
As good as we save a lot of money, we save a lot of...
Do we, though?
There'd be a military.
Potentially, but there's going to be a lot of backlash from that.
So let's go there.
So number one, we save money, let's just say, because, okay, we save money.
Number two, maybe we're not getting involved in everyone's marital issues.
Kind of figured out we're not your savior anymore.
Give me the bad.
Give me the ugly.
Here's the bad.
Go ahead.
We're still living in the, we're still catching the fallout of a post-Cold War foreign policy.
We had all those bases to secure energy independence.
And these people, the Reagan doctrine and rum spelled after that, this was because impending war with Russia, any day, we needed to make sure our oil reserves, we had it.
Russia's been gone.
We've never really pulled out of that.
I don't believe in imperialism because I believe in capitalism.
You don't need to take over Mexico to extract resources.
You don't need to invade them.
You just put a McDonald's in a Starbucks and you extract resources for value.
Capitalism, for all of the BS we hear from the communists, capitalism stops imperialism.
Capitalism stops colonialism because you don't need to spend human capital.
Matter of fact, the more you kill people wherever you are, the more you destroy infrastructure, the harder it is to extract wealth.
So instead of going into a place and decimating it and taking it over, and then you have to administrate it and spending trillions of dollars, you just come in and you're like, hey, guys, you ever had a Whataburger?
It's kind of good.
You're going to love this thing.
Okay, give me the bad.
What else is the bad?
Give me the bad and the ugly.
That's what I'm interested in.
I'm pulling out the bases.
If we pull that 800 military basis.
The end of that thing is that we then use those bases not for, because we didn't need to fight the Cold War anymore.
We used it as payoffs.
We've been paying people off.
That was Trump's biggest mistake, quote unquote, is he stopped the global bribery.
He stopped, he got us out of the Paris Accord.
He got us out of the climate accord.
He got us out of the WHO.
We have been giving taxpayer money to despots, to totalitarian regimes, to leaders for 30 years, billions and billions and billions of dollars of taxpayer money.
We've basically been buying peace.
We've been buying influence.
If we pull that away, like Trump did, he pulled that money away, the global regime came and got rid of them.
Got rid of them.
What did Time magazine call it?
Fortified the election?
Whatever.
They got rid of them.
You pull the bases away.
I fear the power vacuum that's created.
China comes in and just starts cutting the checks.
China comes in and starts doing what we did.
I'll say something else.
Something that I remember we started addressing when you did the tax video and we talked about the different bases is that we need to stop fighting wars like we did 50 years ago and with these bases.
Cyber, bio warfare.
Now it's all about cyber bio-warfare.
Obviously, ransomware, everything that's going on with that, that's where our focus should be.
The days of having bases and fighting wars like from the Cold War days, like Gerard says, I do agree with.
We need to change our approach.
So our old school approach in Afghanistan, maybe when, look, Afghanistan is just, we're not just going, all right, we out, peace.
We're going to be moderating the situation.
Maybe there's a way to, rather than troops on the ground, figure out cyber warfare against the Taliban.
That's figure out how to take their money, figure out how to destroy their infrastructure, their website.
Naive way of thinking.
Something needs to change.
No, no, no, no.
Let me explain to you what I mean by naive way of thinking.
Okay.
That works if both sides are willing to negotiate.
You think you're dealing with reasonable people on the Taliban?
0%.
So what makes you think they're willing to work with you?
So here's the whole thing they're saying.
They're interviewing.
They're saying, oh, we understand or the last time we did it, it didn't work.
We need to work with women and women need to be able to go to school.
That's not happening.
And the girl says, so can they dress like me?
No, no, they can't do like you.
They have to cover their face.
Why?
It's Islamic.
But nowhere in the Bible, nowhere in the Quran says that.
No, no, it's you have to.
And he's like, no, we are going to take care of girls.
It's like, yeah, okay.
So let's just say, so some people are like, well, that's great.
They're going to take care of girls and women and all this other stuff.
Yeah.
This reminds me of what it was like when we lived in Iran.
Okay.
I'm an October 1878 baby.
Shah was in power.
Iran was doing good.
Middle East was at peace.
Iran got along with everybody.
Iran got along with Israel.
Iran got along with the U.S. Iran had relationships with pretty much everybody around the world.
Russia, U.S., Europe, U.K., they were dealing with.
It's not the Iran that we know today.
No, not at all.
Have you seen pictures of it?
By the way, Iranian women, if you go to Iran, type in 70s, type in Iran in 70s, Kai.
Tap in Iran in 60s and 70s.
Like, people don't realize the mountains, skiing, Sinatra going there.
Everybody would go to Iran to party.
It's kind of like an older Iranian version of Dubai.
That's it.
That's literally it.
That's Iran.
Before the revolution.
Yeah, Iran, go to that website.
There's a website that shows, okay, right there, right there.
Click on that website right there.
Go to that and go to the pictures.
Okay.
This is Iran pre-revolution.
Go down so you can see the pictures.
Guy, if you go a little lower, they should pop up one by one by one.
Okay, that's the woman of Iran.
Beautiful women.
They cannot dress like that today.
That's an Iranian woman.
Look at that, right?
They're showing cleavage.
Try showing cleavage.
It looks like the hippies of the 70s.
But this was Iran.
Women had power.
That's a Faroq Zadeh right there.
That's a very legendary guy right there.
So, by the way, close your eyes at him.
That's Iran Revolution.
Dylan would be fired up about all these pictures right now.
That saddens me, man.
The moral of the story is this.
Iran is doing great.
And everybody, Khomeini, started calling the Shah puppet of what?
America.
Puppet of America.
Oh my gosh, what a great.
That's Iran, by the way, skiing.
Iran's mountain skiing is one of the best in the world, by the way.
So people used to go there for vacation, right?
And then fast forward to today.
Fast forward to today, what's going on with Iran?
Well, Jimmy Carter, similar situation as Biden.
Well, let's not get involved.
Kissinger, we're going to help you.
Shah, don't worry about it.
We're going to help you.
We're going to help you.
Hey, I kind of need help.
It's getting pretty crazy here.
9 million people revolted.
We're sorry.
We can't help you.
How the hell do you go up against 9 million people?
You can't.
The same scene you saw with helicopters and planes landing.
Type in Khomeini, Iran Airport, Revolution.
Type in Khomeini, K-H-O-K-H-O-M-E-I-N-I, I-N-I, I-N-I, yeah, and then type in revolution, revo, revelozion, yeah, Iran airport.
Okay, look at this airport.
Tell me what this reminds you of.
Go images?
What does this remind you of?
Okay.
That's the airport, him landing.
Okay.
They can't control any of it.
He comes from Air France to Iran.
It's absolute insanity.
Biggest revolution in the history of the world.
9 million Iranians revolted over tapes that Khomeini was sending from France to Iran.
Why did the people of Iran want the job?
Because Khomeini said the Shah is getting richer.
Iran's getting richer.
And that money should be yours.
Kai, we can stop it.
That money should be yours.
If you vote me in, I'll give you a free place to live.
There's a message of it.
You should listen to.
Khomeini says, I'm going to give you free rice, free housing, free everything.
If you get me elected, we are rich enough to be able to do everything for you for free.
Cheese in the trash.
How much of this was religion-based?
It wasn't religion-based.
It was all socioeconomic.
Socioeconomic, let's turn against this guy's becoming too rich.
What happens?
They come in.
They take over.
What happens to Iran?
Shit show.
Shit show.
It's done.
Half a million people died in the 80s, war, Saddam Hussein, et cetera, et cetera.
So here's the point I'm trying to make to you.
So for me, when I'm talking to David Vine, I said, David, you seem like a sweetheart.
I mean, I used to word against him because that's a qualified sweetheart.
He says, we think we need to stop and we need to stop with war.
And I said, I said, so here's a question for you.
I'm taking a completely different angle with it.
I said, let me ask you a question.
If you kill someone's father, how long does that boy think about the fact that you killed his father?
I saw that clip, by the way.
He's never going to forget.
Are you kidding?
Look, what are you talking about?
He's never forgotten.
You killed my father.
You killed my grandmother.
You killed my sister.
You killed him.
You killed my father.
I'm coming after you.
That's it.
It's over.
So now take that story times 50,000 people like that.
Way more than that.
I'm just giving you a small.
I'm talking rage at that level.
So you say, we're going to pull out because we are now going to be very peaceful type of a regime.
And we're not going to, we're just going to change it up is what we're going to do.
You know what that's kind of like?
That's kind of like a football coach going from a defensive team to an offensive team.
And you're just a defensive guy.
You're changing your strategy, middle of a game.
You're going to win.
You're a defensive team.
Are you saying that you think there's going to be massive blowbacks from the African Union?
Just wait.
The same people that they let out of the whole human rights movement that Jimmy Carter was on, the same people that they let out from, what do you call it, the Iranian Human Rights of 3000.
That's what formatted.
I interviewed the former Taliban that is now an MI6 guy.
I interviewed him a month ago, six weeks ago.
Kai, what was his name?
Oman Amon.
And you should see some of the stuff he's talking about.
Eamon Dean, right?
And you should see what he says about what took place.
There's going to be such pushback with this because now here's what happens.
You officially gave, they said, well, Biden says, well, you know, the Afghani military is strong.
They have 300,000 soldiers.
The Taliban only has 75,000.
Really?
The Taliban 75,000?
You know what's going to happen to Afghanistan?
It's a training ground.
It's a recruiting camp.
They're going to recruit and train, recruit and train and train.
And they're angry.
By the way, you know they released all the criminals from prison.
Did you hear about that?
They completely unloaded.
That's the play.
They unleashed the prisoners.
Same exactly.
These people in Iran.
Exactly.
And these people that were in Guantanamo Bay, nonetheless.
You don't think they're freaking angry?
This goes back to what we were talking about.
But the point I'm trying to make to you, here's the point I'm trying to make to you.
I'm sitting there saying we got 800 military bases, right?
And it costs us $50 billion a year to manage these 800 military bases.
I'm shocked at this.
That's not a lot of money, by the way.
I thought it would be a bigger number.
David Vine said it's only 50 billion.
I'm like, only 50 billion.
That's not a lot of money.
So 50 billion.
To me, I think 50 billion is worth it if you ask me if it's only 50 billion.
I thought it would be a half a trillion dollars.
I thought it would be a massive number.
It's only 50 billion.
All I'm saying is, this is not going to go away.
Stay tuned for something pretty tragic to happen again that's going to be at the levels of what we saw.
And many people are speculating and saying this.
And then one of the guys asked the military general, I don't know if you guys saw this, he has to say it when they said, so how did the Taliban get their weapons?
And the guy's like, I can't comment on that.
I'm sorry, how did they get all their weapons?
Fast and furious.
How did he get all their weapons?
Where's that coming from?
A lot of it came from Russia.
A lot of it came from the, they took it from the Afghanis.
From us.
The Afghani military that left.
Why are they funding it?
Why do they want to see a fall?
Why do they want conflicts over there?
Is it because, you know, the neighbor, Iran's all worried because a lot of the people are going across because the borders to the west.
You got Pakistan South.
You got a lot of stuff going on.
Let me ask you a question, right?
I mean, both of you guys.
We've been there 20 years.
Clearly, the exit strategy is not looking good.
Biden has sent, I think, 5,000, 6,000 more troops to secure a peaceful transition and get our people out of there.
Okay.
How long would we have to stay there?
We're never going to fix this part of the world.
They're never going to want to have a democracy.
The people of the Taliban, you think they're just going to switch over there, win their hearts and minds?
How long, much longer do we say?
Another decade?
Another two decade till 2050?
To your year 3,000?
We're never going to win this war.
You don't go in at all, or if you go in, you win.
You decimate your family.
Here's how I see it.
Not going in at all.
That's not an option.
It's been done.
They've done 20 years, dude.
How long should we have jails?
How long should we have jails?
Yeah, how long should we have jails?
The jail system.
How long should we have it?
Should it be just like 10 or 20 years?
It's not going anywhere.
We should get away.
Let's just do 10 more years of jails.
And let's get it.
But that's jails in the United States.
How long do we want to have jails across the world?
But what I'm trying to tell you is these criminals hate your country.
Bro, they hate America.
I don't know any other way to say it.
They hate what we stand for.
They hate women being free.
They hate gays.
They cannot stand the gay population.
If you're gay in Taliban, they destroy you.
No, no, they don't kill you.
It's a public humiliation type of a situation.
They have to make an example out of you.
CNN says they're very friendly, though.
Yeah, yeah.
CNN says, well, they're screaming death upon America, but they're being very friendly about it.
Very bizarre.
That was her line.
That's one line out of the house.
I totally get hours of footage.
Let's defend it.
No, no, that's fine.
Look, I'm talking about just taking one little line.
But that's a pretty bad line, by the way.
They're saying that they're not.
Anyway, keep it up.
That's kind of like saying, listen, you know, you know, they ripped Johnny's mom, but you know what?
For whatever reason, they just gave me a gift.
This guy's a nice guy.
He's got a nice gift.
Clearly, she said the line that you're missing is she said, this is the most bizarre thing ever.
I just said myself.
Yeah, exactly.
I said that.
I said it is bizarre.
Yeah, but that's kind of like saying, same guy that killed my such-and-such, he just gave me a gift.
That's very bizarre.
Listen, you understand?
That's like a strategy behind it.
All I'm saying to you is the following.
I hate wasting money.
I hate wasting money.
I can't stand it.
I totally agree with you.
I can't stand wasting money.
But, bro, I'm not going to lie to you, man.
As a kid, I'm 42 years old till today, right?
You know, till today, I have to sit certain places in a certain way.
I still have a certain level of paranoia.
42 freaking years old, I live in America and I'm still paranoid.
10 years as a kid, I lived there.
Every day you're worried, you're going places.
Story on the news, car bomb on the bottom, guy turn it on, boom, it blew up.
Ah, everyday news.
Flagellating.
These visuals don't get out of your brain as a kid.
These are, you know, anxiety stuff that stays in here.
Man, a lot of kids are going to go through this, bro.
And to think about the fact that those 50,000 kids that you killed their dads, their moms, their sister, their brother, you did that, they're not going away.
That's a rage for a long time.
So here's the reason why I don't believe world peace exists is the following reason.
You know how they say first you eat the apple and then come sin, right?
How many people do I need to kill for revenge to be stick around?
How much is the back and forth?
So somebody kills your dad or your mom or your wife or your girl.
What are you going to do?
You're going to say, you know what?
As a Muslim or a Christian, I believe in forgiveness.
It's okay, man.
Don't worry about it.
What are you going to do?
So then that comes back.
So we are so into deep right now to get back to it.
You know who's going to lose?
Here's who's going to lose.
Guy messaged me.
He says, Patrick, have a real Muslim on your show.
I've had Muslims on my show.
I'll have more Muslims on my show.
But the point becomes, hey, the extremist.
Well, you know, there's 75% of Muslims are not extremists.
You're right.
But 25% are is what Bill Maher said on his show when he's debating Ben Affleck.
And they're both on the same side politically.
This isn't about the reasonable people.
This is about the unreasonable people.
And the unreasonable people are typically willing to go to measures that reasonable people are not willing to go to.
So for you to think about pulling out today, you're in too deep, buddy.
You're just in too deep.
This Taliban's not going to forget.
You think 9-11 happened?
This is going to be 20-year anniversary.
But whatever you do in this 9-11, all I would tell you is wouldn't go to big, what do you call it?
Not a big city.
I wouldn't go to anywhere.
There's a lot of people there.
I just won't do it.
Not this 9-11.
So warning that another 9-11 is possible.
It's 20-year anniversary.
I know that because this 9-10 becomes 20 years since I worked at Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder.
I have an idea, little man on the street for 9-11.
Yeah.
But all I'm saying to you is, I'm all about saving.
Let's get out of it.
But, you know, are you basically saying that we should have not left and we should have not left forever?
Like, we're going to be in Afghanistan forever.
Listen, I'll answer the question with a question.
How many more years until we get rid of all the jails in America?
Yeah, never.
That's the same exact answer.
So once we go in, we're in.
Once you arrest a person for a crime, you can't just create that system one time.
It stays.
The moment you kill somebody, an innocent person, retaliation is permanent.
The Galilean dialectic.
It's just not going to go away, bro.
It's not.
And unfortunately, whether you like it or not, America's been involved in a lot of different things.
We're in too deep to want to say, you know, and by the way, okay, let's just say, let's pull out.
Let's play the game.
Let's play the game.
Good, bad, ugly.
Let's just say we pull out.
Okay.
Who kind of wants to rule the world?
China.
What do they want to do?
Do they want to rule the world because they want everybody to become a capitalist?
No.
They want to rule the world because they want everybody to think like who?
Themselves.
Like the China, right?
Okay.
Specifically the Chinese conference.
So let me ask you a question here.
Here's a question for you.
Maybe China's sitting there waiting for us to leave for them to come in.
And if they come in, who becomes a hero?
China.
Yeah, they've already offered to help.
Did you see the article in the Wall Street Journal?
By the way.
We can come in and help you guys.
Peaceful transition.
If we leave.
If we leave, U.S. leaves.
And China comes in, takes 100 of those places.
They're not going to go to all the 800, but let's just say they come and take 100 of those places.
That city, that country, the Afghani civilians are going to hate America for leaving, and they're going to say, China's here to save us.
And what would China be doing while they're there?
China.
Just helping build infrastructure.
Provide protection.
Provide protection.
To who?
The Taliban?
No.
To the Afghan government?
Yes.
So then they're going to go to war with the Taliban?
You think the Taliban wants China there?
If China.
Yeah, but you think you did them with a small regime?
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
If China right now wanted to destroy the Taliban, you think they could do it?
Yeah, I don't think.
I don't think the whole point.
I don't think the Taliban fears America because they just have to wait four years.
I think that they know that we got to deal with Xi Jinping.
going to be here forever do you think do you think if china really we've had four presidents that have been uh you're right between bush obama trump and now biden So it's not like the regime in China.
And the media has been after that.
People say get out of Afghanistan.
That's not happening at all.
This is not a topic that I'm saying is Republican or Democrat, by the way.
I agree.
This is not a.
This is an American issue.
No, no, this is an American issue.
But for me, if you leave, the alternative, it's going to be very ugly.
Well, we are leaving.
So where's this?
To go, it's going to be ugly.
I agree, it's going to be ugly.
It's going to be pretty.
And it's going to be decades of ugly.
But I think, look, did Russia go to war with Afghanistan in what, the 70s?
When was this?
It's like the graveyard of empires is what they call it.
It's a process.
So if China wants to try and figure out the Taliban, good luck, Mr. Ping.
Go back to the business.
We're not leaving for the Taliban.
Where's the synergist in this situation?
And how can you be a synergist?
Again, going back, like with people that are being either willingly naive, listening to stuff that they know is not real, or you have people that are outright lying because all they want is to get their way.
They don't care if the world burns as long as their side rules the ashes.
How do you create that synergy?
What matters most in your country, by the way?
What matters most in your life?
In me right now?
Your life.
My family.
Okay, so number one, you be a synergist for your family.
Okay?
You got to bring your family together.
What's number two after family?
Right now in this environment, freedom.
Country.
Yeah, my.
So then you got to be a synergist to your country.
What's third?
So family country, what's third?
Everything else is a pretty far.
My friends.
Okay, friends is third.
So you got to be a uniter of your buddies, like real good buddies that you guys are friends.
Couple of them are having beef against each other.
You got to try to what?
Bring them together, right?
Unify.
What's next?
Diffuse unified glue.
No, what I'm saying to you is, no, he's asking me a question.
He's asking a question about being a synergist in an environment like that.
Like that?
No, what I'm trying to tell you is you can't.
Yeah.
You can't.
You ever had a relative that's not willing to negotiate with another relative?
You ever had somebody?
Yes, yes.
Okay, what can you do in a situation like that?
There's not a lot you can do.
It's nothing.
You can't do nothing about it.
You can't do nothing about it.
I got a couple guys in a company.
No matter what I do, nothing's going to happen.
Nothing's going to happen.
They're dividers.
I can't do nothing about them.
Well, that's the whole thing with the Taliban on the perversion of Islam.
They have their thoughts and they have their mentality.
You're not changing them.
What I'm saying to you is: we as a unit has to be united.
We are not.
We have to be united.
We're not united.
We're not united.
So for us, where we are as a nation, we are not united.
On this issue, you're saying?
We're just not on any issue.
Not on this issue, bro.
We're not united.
America does, there are American politicians that don't think America is a great country.
That's a scary thought.
That's like working for Google and hating Google.
How the hell do you hire somebody to work for Google who hates Google, thinks Facebook's better than Google?
Rule number one: get the hell out of Google.
Well, I think that's a problem on the left and the right.
On the left, you have socialists that hate the idea of America.
And on the right, ironically, you have anti-government, you know, small, small government lovers in government running a big government.
Yeah, the government's not America.
We need to be very clear.
That's not what I'm talking about, though.
We're small government people in our government because they're going to stop the socialists from adding government.
So I think that that's a mischaracter.
Look, all I'm saying to you is: if we go at this pace and we think, you know, let's just pull out out of everywhere and everyone's going to be civil, it ain't going to be the case.
This thing's going to get ugly.
And somebody behind closed doors right now, you know what's happening behind closed doors?
Okay.
Would you say the Taliban are aspirational people?
Yeah.
You think they're ambitious?
Yeah.
You think, and if, and if for us, if our heroes, name your heroes, whoever your heroes are, we talked about it the other time.
Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Let's just say Arnold's a hero for some people that are coming up.
Maybe not what he comments he made this week, but let's just say Arnold's a hero to some people.
So Michael's a hero to some people.
Say Reagan's hero.
Say John F. Kennedy's a hero.
These are some heroes to people, right?
Okay.
Who is out of those 75,000 Taliban, take the top 1% most ambitious people?
Who's that 1% hero?
They all love Osama bin Laden.
Bingo.
Yeah, there it is.
Bingo, when I grow up.
That's not changing whether we're there or not there.
It's not about, no, it's not.
Really?
Really?
I disagree.
Let me ask you.
Here's a question for you.
Let me ask you.
Trump gets on a radio with Rush Limbaugh and says, if Irania does anything and Fs with us, do you remember that?
Yeah.
What he said?
What did Iran do?
When Trump killed Gossam Soleimani, what did Iran do?
They bombed the bomb shit.
They didn't do shit.
Nothing.
Go ahead, do something.
Yeah, there is something to be stressed.
I'm sorry.
People feared your leader.
There's a part of that that's healthy.
Strong and certified crazy.
It's healthy.
Not because we're going to do nothing.
I sat next to Mike Tyson.
I'm interviewing him.
I felt his energy.
That if something went down, he's going to whoop some ass.
What did he say he was going to fight a lion?
No, he would sleep with two tigers every night, is what he said.
He had five tigers, right?
But the point I'm trying to make to you is people like to be around other men or women who are respected and feared.
Countries need to have a little bit of that.
Okay, so the point is when you're saying, what's going to happen with these guys?
ISIS was quiet under Trump.
ISIS was quiet under Trump.
You have to know certain things like this.
You know, this almost, and I've said some things about Trump.
Some Trump followers are not fans of me, and they'll say, well, Pat this, Pat that.
Listen, it's moments like this where people sit there and say, listen, that Churchill guy, man, he's pretty, you know, I don't know about Churchill, but there's any guy that can go up against a guy like Hitler.
It's probably Churchill.
He can probably pull it off.
It's times like this where people are sitting there saying, you know, I don't like that guy.
I can't stand him.
I'm a Democrat.
But when he was there, ISIS was quiet.
Nobody was doing anything.
I wonder how he would have handled this.
They may not say publicly, but there's like, let's actually play the game.
Let's play a game.
Here's a game for you.
Okay?
Here's a game for you.
Trump's president.
He goes one more term.
Afghanistan, Taliban.
What does Trump do right now?
First of all, does Trump do the exit the way that Biden did it?
I doubt he did it, how Biden did it, but he has been calling for an exit of VCA.
He never agreed with what President Bush had.
Exactly.
He's been calling the New York Times.
So he said it publicly.
He's not for this.
Exactly.
But I tell you, how does he do it?
Look, if you're exiting this place, there had to have been a cleaner plan than this.
If the Taliban did what this intelligence failure, what does Trump do right now?
If this happened, what does Trump do right now?
I think he says if they are going this course, he would say something to the effect of, we're going to be pulling our people out.
If any of you motherfuckers touch any of our bases, any of our people are trying to leave, we're going to rain down crazy hell and fury.
Do you think the Taliban would believe him?
I actually do.
Okay, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
Sometimes in life...
But we'd still be leaving, is my point.
No, we wouldn't.
We'd have a safe exit.
It's not the point.
Listen, you're right.
We would be leaving, but nobody fears our current president.
Nancy Pelosi says, we are watching you if you do something to the woman and the girls.
What are you talking about?
We're watching you.
We're talking about we're watching.
That's not how life works.
Threats don't work that way, bro.
When he says, we're watching you.
No, it's times like this.
It's times like this when you sit there and say, yeah, I get it.
Maybe during peacetime, I kind of, maybe I don't want Trump during peacetime, but I'm not going to lie to you, during wartime, I kind of want a badass guy like that right now.
During wartime.
Because let's just say 9-11 happens this year.
What are the American people going to be saying?
Say something happens 9-11 this year.
What are American people going to be saying?
And by the way, who becomes a hero overnight?
Of course it is.
So I said this a while back.
I said when a girlfriend, say a girl dates a guy like me, or like let's just say everybody here at this table is relatively big and you're going to make the girl feel safe.
Say a girl dates a guy like you.
Okay.
You're 200 pounds, 6'1.
What are you?
6'1?
6'1?
6'200.
Okay, 6'200.
Okay.
And he leaves you for a Calvin Klein model.
She leaves you for Calvin Klein.
Again?
Again and again?
5'8 ⁇ , 125.
Okay?
Dimples, all that stuff, right?
Yeah.
She's at the club.
You're there.
You guys broke up two months ago.
She left you for that guy.
Craziest brawl breaks out.
Craziest brawl.
Beer is being thrown around.
This Calvin Klein model is standing there.
Oh, my God.
I got my scratches.
I cannot do that for this year next week.
Who's she going and hanging on to to feel safe?
You or the Calvin Klein model?
Hopefully not Gerard and comes over to me.
The point I'm trying to make to you is Biden is the Calvin Klein model.
You are Trump.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
That's the point I'm trying to make to you.
Well, I think ultimately what you're saying, and this goes back to politics and election and we wanted wartime, there is a difference between domestic policy and international foreign policy, for sure.
So Biden, a lot of the reason he was elected was because, look, we're going to calm things down.
Yeah, mean tweets.
Mean tweets.
All the mean tweets, everything that's going on, let's just diffuse the situation.
And internationally, the U.S.'s reputation has certainly been damaged over the last four years.
I'm talking about polls.
I'm talking about polls.
No, it is not.
Talking about polls.
Only the level of levels of the elites.
However, you can't just say a blanket statement like that and move on.
I did not hear what he said.
Can you repeat what you just said?
If you look at U.S. standings globally in the world, they'll have where people viewed U.S. under Obama as a people under Taliban.
Which people?
Which people?
You have to qualify that.
Do we have time to pull up the P. You think the people marching through the streets of Paris hate Trump right now?
Or do you think Macron hates Trump?
Do you think the elites hate him?
Yeah, or do you think the people marching through against him hate him?
Pull up the polls.
Anyway, pull up the polls from the liberal places.
In times of war, you think the world liked Trump more than Obama?
Are you actually saying?
That's the point.
I'm trying to.
His point is the point.
They didn't like him because they couldn't have their way with him.
I'm not even.
Mutually astronomical.
You're talking about governments.
You're talking about governments.
I'm talking about the world overall sentiment liked Obama more than Trump.
I don't think that's a dispute.
I'm not aggressively say that.
Public.
That's not the.
Just say international perspective, Obama versus Trump.
Anyway, my point is this.
Back to your point.
In a time of war, things change.
Clearly, right?
Yeah.
But, you know, that statement doesn't carry a lot of weight.
Well, pull up the poll.
I'm not, this is not my opinion.
In time of war, we literally talked about earlier.
We're going to show that it was only 11 years without war.
First of all, let me look.
I run into a guy, okay, who's from another insurance company.
If I can get your attention, Kai, you know, you do it without the screen.
Just kind of do it on your own, on your iPad.
And if you find it, put the screen up.
Run into a guy from a competitor.
And he comes and starts talking to me.
And we start talking.
I don't know who he's with.
And then all of a sudden he's like, pretty chill guy.
I'm like, yeah, why?
He said, well, let me tell you, man, where I'm at, you have no idea how much shit they talk about you.
The stuff they say about you, I thought you were like freaking a monster.
He said, dude, I watch your stuff.
You're actually a pretty chill guy.
I said, so why am I a monster?
Well, let me tell you what they told.
I said, what do they tell you about me?
Boom, boom, boom, boom.
I'm like, it's pretty interesting.
That's like a freaking movie star.
Like, if I'm that scary, I'm impressed by my, you know, by the characterization of some of my competitors.
Fantastic.
Great.
I'll take it.
Yeah, it's a nice little story you got there.
Media is why the world hates Trump or anybody.
If anybody loves a president, it's because the media has convinced the world to love them or not to love them.
That means nothing to me when somebody says something like that.
When they say, hey, this person's loved or this person's not whatever.
The part about Obama that I'll tell you is I've never watched an Obama interview, Leno, Letterman, any of these guys.
Where I walked away saying, I wouldn't mind having a beer with this guy.
I think we'd actually have a pretty good conversation together.
It seems like a chill guy.
Have you ever been asked a hard question ever?
It's not the hard question part.
I first go to the individual.
Now, Carter.
Carter's a sweetheart of a man.
Great man.
Man, man, right?
But a leader, president, maybe one of the worst presidents we've ever had.
If you look at Carter, and that's kind of said on both sides.
It's not me saying it or anybody else has said it.
But on paper, his campaign was the right campaign.
Human rights backfired, kind of backfired in a major way.
Wartime, you need a wartime leader.
This is a pretty crazy time right now that we're facing.
A wartime guy got a vaccine done in nine months, not a peacetime president.
The peacetime president that was campaigning said he would never take Trump's vaccine.
That's Biden.
And the vaccine that got done in nine months, Biden's now going out there getting 165 million people to get the vaccine because a wartime leader put pressure behind people's backs saying, We got to get this thing done.
Fauci said it'll take 18 months.
Trump got it done in nine months by working with these corporations.
So people have to realize there's a big difference.
Again, going back to the saying, there's three types of people in every company.
There is the visionary, there is the barbarian, and there is the asshole or the son of a bitch.
Unfortunately, in a situation like that, you kind of need a son of a bitch to be on your side.
It's kind of what you need right now.
Because this officially, you gave him so much momentum in Afghanistan, to the Taliban.
So much.
And they're not going to slow down.
So, anyways, we'll see what's going to happen.
It's going to take us a few weeks to see what is going to be taking place.
Kai, I'd like to do one more story before we wrap this podcast up in the next hour here in the next 10 minutes.
Talking about your boy Cuomo or what's happening in New York?
Let's do New York since you got some thoughts on that, Gerard.
I'm going to give that one to you.
I'll tee it up to you.
Page number six if you want to go to it.
Keys to New York City.
Indoor vaccine mandate begins Monday, ABC 7 New York.
Entertainment venues, gyms, and indoor dining will soon be off-limits for unvaccinated New Yorkers.
New York City indoor vaccine mandates take effect on Monday as part of Mayor de Blasio's key to New York City plan.
The citywide mandate will be the first in a nation vaccine coroner for employees and customers for indoor venues, the Hold Fast Kitchen and Spirits.
They'll ask for proof of vaccination along with a photo ID to make sure you are who you say you are.
But not everyone is thrilled about the new mandates.
That's part of the reason protesters gathered outside of Gracie Mansions on Gracie Mansion on Sunday afternoon.
Amongst the people taking part of the protest was Republican mayoral candidate Curtis Sliwa and Andrew Giuliani, who is running for New York governor, Gerard.
That's Giuliani's kid?
Yeah.
Giuliani's kid, yeah.
Well, this ties in nicely to what you're talking about about strong men before.
And then, you know, this puts a bow on today's podcast because I don't think Bill de Blasio is a Democrat.
Bill de Blasio is a communist.
Bill de Blasio is a straight-up authoritarian.
He's a commie.
He's an actual, was at one point a registered communist, him and his wife.
So he has no problem with authoritarianism.
This is a guy who shut down everybody's business.
Just imagine being a business owner in New York right now.
You have two different perspectives.
First of all, Bill de Blasio says essentially white people are evil and we need to do everything that we possibly can for equity.
His wife is the, she loses a billion dollars.
This is true.
She misappropriates a billion dollars of public funds.
It was for some mental health initiative.
Completely went missing into the ether.
And instead of there being an investigation, instead of there being a resignation, instead of there being an arrest, she got promoted.
This is the mayor's wife who was elected to nothing.
She got promoted.
She's now the head of equity and inclusion.
They took all of the COVID money and they decide who gets to disperse it so it's more racially equitable.
Okay.
Basically, they have control over the purse strings of federal money.
This is a woman who stole a billion dollars of taxpayer money, now gets more.
So they shut down the businesses.
They put them at restrictions, closing them five hours earlier.
They put them at restrictions where they can only be half capacity.
This is still at $28 to $32 a square foot of real estate.
They squeeze business completely out.
Now people are coming back and they're saying if you can't prove vaccination, you can't eat.
You can't have access to the subway.
You can't have access to the bus.
How are you supposed to get around?
Basically, what they're saying, they're exiling you from New York society.
You cannot function.
You can't eat.
You can't use any public services because you won't consume a farm.
Because you won't, maybe you did, because you won't show proof that you consumed a pharmaceutical product.
Imagine them forcing you to show proof that you had Valtrex, that you didn't have herpes before you went into a club.
It's a pharmaceutical product.
It's the most outrageous thing I've ever heard in my life.
And like you said before, only 28% of African Americans, only 28% of black people are vaccinated.
So you're telling me that 62%, 72% of all black people in New York are not going to be allowed to go into a bodega.
They're not going to be allowed to buy a Gatorade.
They're not going to be allowed to go into a bar.
That's a lot of that is racist.
Yeah, well, the new Jim Crow.
How is this?
That would be a little bit racist, wouldn't it be?
What I'm worried, man, is you talked about it before.
Like authoritarians only understand authority.
Strong men only understand strong men.
Mutually assured destruction is the only way these people back off.
You can't negotiate with these people.
You can't wait for them.
Oh, no, they'll get over this.
The Karens aren't going to certainly suddenly come to their senses.
A lot of these people, and I truly believe this in the depths of my soul, they would rather watch people die than admit they were wrong.
Okay?
So if, and I definitely wouldn't bet my life on it.
The people of New York either do what I did and leave or find your stones, man.
Find your stones and just say no.
Rand Paul had a great video that if they try to arrest him at the Capitol, he's not going to go quietly.
If they try to shut him out and they ask his people to show papers, he's not going to say yes.
He's not going to comply.
We are now at the point where you cannot comply.
You have to push back.
You have to be disobedient.
The future belongs to the disobedient.
The more that they push and push and push, and we don't push back, the further it goes.
The people of New York, the people of New Jersey, my friends, my family, if you are watching this, I am begging you.
Push back.
I am begging you to make it awkward.
I am begging you to dare that cop to arrest you.
He's not going to.
Forget them at the top.
They never have to live by their own rules.
They never live by their own rules.
They force you to wear a mask, then they have 700 people at a birthday party, no masks.
They force you to shut your business, then their people march 800,000 deep.
They never play by their rules.
Stop playing by their rules.
Force their hand.
Walk into that restaurant.
Walk right past it.
Grab the burger.
They're not going to arrest you.
And if they do arrest you in New York, if they do arrest you, there's no bail.
There's no bail in New York anymore.
It's catch and release.
Nothing's going to happen to you.
Nothing's going to happen to you.
It's catch and release.
Push back.
Disobey.
The police officers that are watching this don't do your job.
There's moral, there's morally right.
There's legal and there's morality.
I'm begging you.
I'm literally looking into the camera begging.
There's a part of this.
There's a part of this that I get what you're saying.
There's a part of this on what you're saying is to play their games against them.
Slavery was legal, Pat.
Doesn't mean you should enforce it.
I totally get it.
And I don't think you're saying to do anything, you know, go out there.
You know, you're not saying for people to go do anything criminal.
I don't think you're suggesting that.
I don't think that's what you're suggesting because if you suggest that, that's.
Well, look, if they're making your ability to live your life and consume nutrients a crime, then I am saying.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I wouldn't go that far.
Here's what I will tell you.
I wouldn't go that far.
Here's what I will tell you.
I trust in people, not all of them, but I trust in a good majority portion of people that have common sense.
Give you an idea.
I'm supposed to be this week in New York.
I had a whole week set up to be in New York.
You know why it's not in New York?
You know why I'm not doing a meeting?
We change it next week.
Why am I not?
Why am I holding podcasts this week?
I'm supposed to be in New York.
Do you know why we're not doing New York?
Because the past starts this week.
Because the 40 people I'm having a meeting with this week in New York, we're supposed to meet at restaurants.
And everybody asked the awkward question.
And they said, well, I kind of don't want to ask this question because it's none of my business.
But I think it's fair to say out of all the 40 people that we're meeting sit down together, not everyone's probably going to have the vaccine card.
So can we just go across and change the plans?
We have to change plans one week delay to go to Connecticut because Connecticut doesn't go by the same rules as New York City does.
We shifted just because of what the Blasio did.
I'm supposed to.
How many thousands of dollars did that cost to business owners of New York?
Bro, it's not thousands of dollars.
It's a lot more than the thousands of dollars.
It's a lot of money.
So the point is, we're going to Connecticut just because of a law.
So I'm just one person.
This is 40 of us.
How many people just had the same kind of a conversation together?
Because, and it's not even, by the way, these are not anti-vaccines.
80% of the guys have taken a vaccine.
80% of the guys that were sitting down with are like, dude, people who took the vaccine, like, I just kind of don't want to say this because some of my peers that I do business with, they're not taking a vaccine and they're in New York.
And unfortunately, they're not going to be able to go into this restaurant.
Good for those men.
Because it's not about the vaccine.
It's about being asked to show your papers.
But the direction I'm going to you is the following direction I'm taking.
The angle I'm taking to you is I trust you.
You want to take that position?
Because your position is the same as Arnold's position.
Screw your freedom.
It's not my style to do that.
My position is, Arnold, you want to say that?
No problem.
Some people are leaving your camp.
Some people are leaving your camp.
My position is, no problem, de Blasio.
Guess what?
Even more of a mass exodus.
People are leaving your town.
And by the way, somebody told me behind closed doors, very interesting messaging that came in, a guy that's involved with somewhat in politics, but not a big name.
He says, one of the bigger reasons why there was such a big push for Cuomo to resign is because Cuomo wasn't for the mandatory vaccine card.
De Blasio was.
Cuomo wasn't for it.
The far left pushed Cuomo out.
So the far left pushed Cuomo out because he didn't want to do the vaccine card.
But Cuomo couldn't say that publicly because, you know, then you're kind of playing the game even dirtier.
Pat, as a business owner, which is what I suggested he do, by the way.
Don't business owners have a say in this matter?
If they don't want to enforce this within their business, they don't have to.
But if they want to enforce it, isn't it their right as a business owner?
Yeah, but let me tell you what happens.
Here's what happens.
Say you do that.
Let's just say you do that.
Okay.
What percentage of the people that are your customers agree with your position of you don't have to wear a mask when he comes?
Yeah, who knows?
Give me a percentage.
What percentage disagree with you?
90%.
Okay, so what percentage of New York City people in New York City?
What percentage of your clients that come to you are going to be like, everybody should wear a mask?
10% is just really loud.
Give me a percentage.
80% says.
People who would disagree?
No, people who say, Adam, how come you're not making that customer wear a mask?
And you say, Mary, I'm okay if he doesn't wear a mask.
Didn't you hear what the mayor said?
Which percentage of customers are going to be like the guy just act alike?
It's very small, I bet you.
Just give me a number.
Of the complainers, you're saying complainers.
I don't know, probably 80-20 rule, right?
80% are going to complain?
20%.
Are the complainers?
Yeah.
Let's just say 20%, one out of five.
How many do you need to send a note to the mayor talking about the fact that you're letting customers come in without a mask?
One-on-one.
So now.
Yeah, but you're talking about restaurant and bars.
What the hell are we talking about?
How are you going to wear a mask in a restaurant?
What are you talking about, bro?
What are you talking about?
The biggest charade out there is wearing your mask when you walk in the restaurant, but then taking it off as soon as you're going to be able to do that.
You don't remember all these guys that were coming in and shutting down gyms?
You don't remember that gym owner that lost?
He says, you know, guys coming up.
Yeah, of course.
What am I trying to tell you?
The point I'm trying to make to you is the fact that if they want to shut down your restaurant, Mayor de Blasio can.
And he can send people to say, we're shutting down this restaurant.
We're taking your permits away.
Pat, can I ask you?
You lose permits.
Yeah.
Let me say one last thing.
I remember being 16 or 17, 18, and everyone was getting a fake ID.
It was like, you know, college, I want to go and drink.
How many fake vaccines?
How many fake vaccines are you?
The father's son getting arrested for fake vaccines.
How many fake vaccines are you talking about?
They're talking about chipping you now.
They're talking about putting a tracker on your phone, dude.
Anti-government mandate.
Anti-government.
Father's son.
Pat, let me ask you a question because I know we're running short on time.
All right.
What do we do in this moment?
How do we fight back?
How do we get our freedoms back?
Fake COVID passwords to fly.
Gotcha.
Yeah, but that's the part.
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