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You rock the vest with the suit better than anyone.
Three-piece suit?
Yeah, I don't see anyone rocking this suit.
Better than Samvel.
Sam just wears vests.
Ask Sam the two.
The maider D in the office.
Sam took off his shirt.
He had a tattoo of a vest on.
It was ridiculous.
He just wears it.
It's aggressive, bro.
By the way, so we have a guest here.
We do.
We got a guest here today.
Zuby is in the house.
Team Zuby.
Yeah, Zubi's in the house.
Zubi.
When did you get in, by the way?
You flew from...
Man, I got into here yesterday, yesterday evening.
I got to the States a week ago.
You got to the States a week ago.
And this is from?
So I left the UK three weeks ago.
Yeah.
Because the travel ban is still in place.
So I had to go outside the Schengen zone for two weeks.
So I went to Istanbul, stayed there for two weeks, and I flew from there to Houston.
I spoke at the Young Americans Foundation annual student event.
I spoke there on Tuesday.
I saw that.
Yeah.
That went well.
Hundreds and hundreds of students.
That was really dope.
And yeah, first time in Florida since 1990.
And what were you doing in 1990 when you were in Florida?
I think going to Disney World.
Walt Disney.
That's cool.
There you go.
I got to go to Vegas for toddlers.
First of all, let me give you the crazy story of what happens here.
So we're sitting there booking team and we're trying to figure out guests because, you know, everybody makes recommendations.
Gerard says, Pat, you got to get this guy named Zuby.
And I say, Zuby.
He says, I'm telling you, look up, so I pull him.
I'm like, Zuby, Zubi, Zubi.
So I pulled him up.
I saw her name before.
I go online, I put YouTube.
I'm like, yeah, of course I know this guy's story.
So then 24 hours later, some guy on your Twitter account says, when you're in Florida, you ought to go on Valutaine.
And you say, I don't know what you said.
You said, I don't.
I said, I can't just walk in there unannounced.
Vampire raises the business.
I can't just walk in unannounced.
I said, let's do it.
Next thing you know, a thousand likes later, within 10 minutes, I'm like, wow, this guy's, they love this guy.
So we got on the calendar.
I'm glad we were able to make it work.
Underselling the way that Gerard sold Zubi.
No, no, no.
To Gerard.
That's what I'm saying.
You're like, you got to get him.
You're a fanboy.
So if by any chance you don't have a manager that represents you, this guy would be a good one if he represented to you right.
He would be for the low, low price of 35%.
Okay, so we got a lot of crazy stories to go through.
You got a lot of strong opinions.
You went viral last recently with something you did.
You know, we got stories here from Rihanna becoming a billionaire, which we'll cover.
We have a story with Miley Cyrus calling out the rapper the baby saying we shouldn't cancel him.
We should educate him.
Kanye West has got his new album apparently coming out, which is, by the way, I love what Jamie Dimon said to Elizabeth Warren when Elizabeth Warren says, you know, all these overdraft feats are baloney.
We'll cover that.
Record number of journalists jailed worldwide.
We don't know why.
Maybe we'll cover that a little bit.
Chinese Mouthpiece paid U.S. newspaper $19 million in ads.
I think it's important we cover that.
Olympic gold medalist shares USA Pride following historic win, which I think everybody loved.
Her childlike reaction when she won.
And a few other stories.
But I think we start off with one story that, Zuby, you may not be familiar with the story, but I think by the time we're done reading about it, you'll have some opinions on this.
I think.
I hope so.
So there's the story of this male rapper identifying as female, declares, if you can bring this story up so we can see it, declares he broke female's deadlift records.
So this male rapper, Zuby, identifying as female, declares he broke female deadlift record.
This is a WQAD News 8 story, okay?
A British rapper named Zuby, okay, garnered worldwide attention in March 2019 after posting a video of himself, declaring he had broken the British woman deadlift record.
In the tweet, Zubi said that he identified as a woman whilst lifting the weight, ultimately trolling the debate of transgender people competing in athletic events.
He claimed to have broken a woman deadlift record of 238 kilograms, that's 528 pounds.
And he said it was without even trying.
Different athletic organizations, both in the United States and around the world, have their own policies in place to include the transgender athletes, the International Olympic Committee, a National Collegiate Athletic Association, and the NAIA all have rules that say transgender women need to pass certain tests.
U.S. powerlifting, however, does not allow transgender women to compete as women.
So, can we play this video, if you don't mind, just play the video of him doing it because I think everybody needs to see this.
This is you.
Look at that go.
Damn.
That was a clean lift.
I could have done like five of those.
4 million views.
Your tweet.
I keep hearing about how biological men don't have any physical strength advantage over women in 2019.
So watch me destroy the British woman deadlift record without even trying.
P.S. I identified as a woman whilst lifting the weight.
Don't be a bigot.
So the inside grip, by the way, sumo deadlift.
Solid.
Yeah, man.
If Gerard approves, you know it's legit.
So this guy benches the idea of wanting to do this because at one point, everybody was talking about this.
So we'll give you the idea.
No doubt.
So since like, when would it have been, when did the world start going super silly?
Like 2015, 2016.
I was following these stories and seeing this happening, right?
This is when new gender started being introduced to the Western world and people could identify as anything.
And I was like, well, this is ultimately going to lead to, you know, there's going to be downstream repercussions of this.
I can see what's happening.
I saw what happened with Fallon Fox in MMA and then in some collegiate areas, I think both in Canada and the USA.
I was just seeing, you know, male athletes competing against girls and women by identifying as the opposite gender.
And I said, okay, you know what?
If that, if those are the rules, let's take this to its logical conclusion.
So out of curiosity, I just did a quick Google search of, okay, in my weight class, what's the British women's deadlift record?
And I saw it was 215 kilos.
You know, my PB is 275.
So I was like, oh, okay.
And then I just had that video on my phone from one of my training sessions of me doing pulling 230.
Oh, so you didn't do this afterwards.
No, you had already.
That was just from one of my training sessions.
And I, so I just took it.
I just tweeted.
At the time, I had 18,000 Twitter followers.
I thought this is going to get a couple of retweets, a couple LOLs.
And I did not know this was going to be the thing that would introduce me to millions of people all around the world.
I put that tweet out there, and within seconds, I knew something was up.
I was just looking at my phone, like, okay, within think 10 minutes, the video had 10,000 views, and it just kept growing and growing.
It was getting retweeted all over the world by huge personalities.
People were commenting in different languages.
And for days and days and days, this thing was just going viral, going viral, going viral.
After a while, Joe Rogan picks up on it, talks about it on his podcast, which gives it this whole second boost.
And I mean, that was March 2019.
And it's gone viral several times since then because people will pick up again on this.
Two plus two equals five for two years.
Two plus two equals freaking five, man.
And then, of course, in the Olympics now, you've had this thing came to head again, right?
Where New Zealand had their first transgender weightlifter who failed anyway, but that caused a big stir.
So the story sort of is one of those things that just keeps coming back.
What do you think they should do?
I mean, right now it's the Olympics, right?
I mean, what do you think they should do?
So by the way, there are some people that, you know, they strongly believe they want to be transgender.
Sure.
Okay.
So let it be.
It's a libertarian mindset.
Do as you choose.
But how do you think the Olympics should handle transgenders?
Simple.
I think you, there's two options.
Either, they kind of lead to the same result.
Firstly, most people don't understand that most male sports are not actually male sports.
They're just open.
Right?
But it turns out.
Anyone can compete.
Yeah, but it turns out there's never been, for obvious reasons, there's never been a sport.
It's very important to repeat what you just said.
So in Olympics, most male sports are open.
Yeah, I'm not sure about Olympics specifically.
Most sports in general.
I don't believe the NBA, the NFL, the MLB, they don't have a rule saying women aren't.
Do you see these women become like NFL kickers?
Even in youth sports in America, especially because women develop faster than young boys do, young girls.
So up until as late as 12, 13 years old, soccer plays girls and boys, basketball girls and boys.
It's open.
Baseball girls and boys.
It just turns out that there's never been a woman big and strong enough to play in the NFL or in the NBA, et cetera, which is why you have a women's sports division.
So it's the women's sports divisions that are exclusive, whereas the others are open.
So you just have an open category.
So however you identify, whatever, best of the best, and then you have a female category.
Simple.
That's all.
Yeah, the interesting thing is, like, look, you're talking about a meritocracy at the end of the day, right?
Like, if somebody's good enough, like, I always thought that the person who really could break down a gender barrier in a sports is a knuckleballer, like a knuckleball pitcher.
If there's a woman who could throw a knuckleball, you throw it 65 miles an hour.
It's about the movement of the ball.
The softer you throw it, the more effective it is.
You don't need to overpower.
That's somebody that could actually break down a gender barrier.
She doesn't need to run as fast as anybody else.
She doesn't need to swing the bat.
She can literally use a technique, a technical pitch, and be able to compete at that level.
So that would be something.
But like what Vanderbilt did by running that kicker out so she could kick the ball 30 yards out of bounds and break the gender barriers of the SEC.
And it was like, my God, you turn this poor girl into a show pony.
That's what you did.
You took this poor girl and you told her, you turn her into a show pony for your progressive ideology.
She won SEC Special Teams Player of the Week for a 30-yard kickoff out of bounds, man.
Well, what's the one thing you always joke about?
Like, I got one year of eligibility of college left baseball.
I brought up as soon as Joe Biden, like one of his very first, one of his very first executive orders from our king was to say, no questions asked, to basically reverse what they would call the transgender discrimination that Trump had done, and say that no questions asked.
Anybody who identifies as a woman should be able to compete in athletics, NCAA athletics, as their gender identity.
So I'm like, okay, I could, as a former professional baseball player, go back at my age and play softball at the University of Miami with a metal freaking bat.
You're going to let me hit a ball against 17-year-old girls.
And if I hit a ball at the middle and I murder a pitcher, or the third baseman is just getting kneecapped, that's okay.
That's equality.
Because God forbid you tell me, no, bro, you're a 34-year-old man.
Go anywhere but here.
That's the part that's bigotry.
Not me showering with a 17-year-old, 18-year-old girl in the locker room with a 17, 18-year-old girl, dorming with them, practicing with them, and competing against them.
That's equality.
But if you preclude me from that, well, you're a bigot.
You know, for me, the way I see it is the following: why don't you just create a transgender competition?
Let them go at it.
Let them compete.
Let them go at it rather than having to go and take things away from women.
If you want to create a transgender contest competition, go for it.
I don't see anything wrong with that.
Where you're competing against somebody.
Well, their argument, Pat, is that they're not transgender.
Yeah, you're dealing with ideologues.
Did you hear, did you hear the argument Navartolovo made?
No.
Have you heard the argument she made?
I heard it.
Can you pull it up?
Can you pull up her argument she made?
Tennis player Navartolova, man, that to spell that name, Kai.
I think you out of everybody should be able to spell that.
Navartalova.
Nah, and N, not Ma.
Mara Savatruchas from Saltan.
There you go.
So then put trans.
She puts transgender.
Okay, transgender.
She said something about that.
She said some quote about it.
She rejects Akazan transformation.
News.
Click on news.
There's a story about this.
Yeah, I saw that.
Okay, go back, Kai.
Go back.
There was a story right at the top, right there.
Click on that.
I think that's 2019, though.
Well, that's when it was when she said it, though.
Go up.
She said something very powerful.
And by the way, Navartolova is fully supportive of gay rights.
Well, she is gay.
Yeah, I know she is.
But she said something here.
Anyways, you guys can continue.
I'll find this quote here to read it to you.
It's a powerful statement she made.
I just have one question.
Because quite candidly, this is not anything that I'm waking up being like, what are the trans saying today?
This is not what percentage of the world are transgender?
Like 0.001%?
A fraction of a fraction of a fraction.
Okay, so why is this such a big deal?
Because they're infusing themselves into the pop culture and sports?
It's because it's being forced on people.
Yes, right?
Because most people, look, regardless of whether someone, it shouldn't even be political, but whether someone is liberal, conservative, libertarian, whatever, most people don't care.
If you're an adult, do what you want to do.
Maybe I don't get it.
Maybe I don't agree with it, whatever.
But if that's what you want to do, it's not harming anyone.
Live your life how you want.
You're a man, you want to wear a dress, you want to put up makeup?
You know, you're allowed to.
You can do what you want.
The problem with this issue is that they're, you know, and again, most transgender people, I probably know more, most people don't know any.
I actually know a couple.
I don't know any who's in favor of this whole sports thing, right?
They think it's crazy because they recognize reality.
So it's just the woke left trying to infuse their ideas, ideology.
Exactly.
The trans are like, yo, we're good.
We don't need your help.
But this is something that would potentially improve.
Yeah, but there's something that impacts 50% of the population.
Why is it the men aren't worried about this?
Yeah, because it's not going to affect people.
Exactly.
Which in itself blows up the entire argument.
But he's saying that you brought up Fallon Fox and she's literally caving, she was caving women's faces.
Who is she?
She was a transgender MMA fighter.
She was a man.
And this is the problem.
Raven was a man.
No.
Became a woman and was able to compete against other women and cave the females.
Now, is it more common for women to become men?
Literally become women.
Literally brokers.
Can I jump in here and say that you cannot actually change your biological sex?
It's not possible.
Okay, break down.
So even saying she, you're giving into the argument.
You're not talking about a she.
You're talking about a biological male.
You cannot change from a man into a woman.
It's not possible.
You can make yourself appear as such.
You can identify as such, but it is not physically possible.
And I think part of it is this overt political correctness with people having to, you know, respect the pronouns and change their whole language to defy reality, which actually allows people to run with these crazy arguments.
Because as soon as you start calling someone a woman, they're like, well, if they're a woman, why can't they compete against women?
And I'm like, well, no, that's not a woman.
That's a biological male identifying as a woman.
Why?
Because when you're young, you go through puberty.
And if you're born a boy, you go through, you got the hormones.
No, no, we can talk about it extensively.
It's the bone density.
It's the muscle retention.
I mean, we are.
He's right.
We're so biologically careful.
There is nothing that any of us here at this table can do that would turn us into.
Damn, that's bad news.
I thought I could.
It's not.
Yeah, anybody could.
I mean, hold my beard.
It's not.
Well, who's the most famous transgender person in the world?
Caitlin Jenner, probably.
Okay.
So I have one quick story about this.
So one of my best friends is that guy, Chris Humphries, that married Kim Kardashian.
I was in the wedding.
I walked Chloe down the aisle.
Bruce was there.
This was 2011.
You just deadnamed.
What's up?
You just deadnamed.
Someone's going to cancel you.
Oh, all right.
Well, it happened.
It's called deadnaming.
Oh, because he doesn't exist anymore.
But at the time, it was Bruce Jenner that was like tying our tie.
Point is this.
Watch your language.
I know.
Brings more impatheth.
Money.
Yeah, it's a money field.
I got to go.
But point is.
Fast forward.
This is probably.
When did she, she wasn't going to be.
I don't know what the point was a few years ago.
It was probably 2017.
Talk about a future governor.
She did 2017.
She did.
Yeah, I don't think that's happened.
She came out on Diane Sawyer, I believe, like 2020 and did the whole thing or whatever.
But here's the story: that night, Chris was playing for the Wizards at the time, Washington Wizards, and they had just swept the Toronto Raptors, right?
Drake was at the game.
It was a big deal.
And it was breaking news.
Caitlin Jenner announces, because it was rumors that was going on, right?
And it was, you know, after the game, we're celebrating sweep.
We're having dinner, having drinks.
And this is, and I was like, this is some weird shit, huh?
And he's like, yeah, like, thank God I got out while I did.
And I go, you got to tweet that.
And he goes, no, hell no.
I go, I literally, I'm like, give me your phone.
I've never tweeted before in my life.
And I tweeted on Chris's.
This was me.
I'm owning up to it.
He canceled him.
Like, thank God I got out while I did.
You ended his name.
Not so much because of the Jenner thing, but because look at the track record that happened in the Cardette.
Lamar Odom, you know, OD, Scott Disick, Rehab.
The father, like, literally died.
Robert Kardashian hasn't been seen, the son hasn't been seen in years.
I'm like, look at you, bro.
You're worth 50 million.
You just swept the, you know, the Raptors.
Life's great.
And he goes, dude, I got no ill will towards Caitlin.
Yeah.
But, like, thank God I got it, kind of got out while I did.
So I took his phone and I tweeted it.
I'm like, ha ha, like, we did it.
Like, ha.
And, like, dude, an hour later, his publicist calls, what time brother is?
He's getting slaughtered.
Slaughtered on Twitter.
He didn't throw you under the bus, though.
He came out, made an apology.
He wasn't going to be like, my boy Sauz.
It could have been my phone was hacked.
It literally was.
But he came out, made an apology.
And like the next, I was staying with him because never fucking touched my phone again.
Oh, man.
But he got slaughtered.
This explains well.
In the many months that we've been with Adam Sauce, I have not seen Chris Humphreys, not one freaking coming.
He'll be a hero.
He's going to come.
Anyway, it's a very sensitive topic, but it's at least we're talking about it.
So respect to what you're doing, at least making it something Caitlin Jenner's got one of the greatest quotes of all time, too, afterwards.
She said in LA, it was easier to come out as transgender than it was to come out as a Republican.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, wow.
That's believable.
It makes sense.
You get embraced and celebrated by the hyper wokeys for the former and you get denigrated for the latter.
So it's not surprising, especially in California.
Gosh.
That's actually shocking that you said that because that's pretty ridiculous.
It's her truth, man.
Let me hear her truth.
Let me ask you a question.
Let me ask you a question.
So for me, whoever you edify and lift up, people will do what that person is doing.
So, for example, in a sales company, for us, whoever you, I'll always say, you give me the number one person of any company, I'll tell you the future of the company in the next five to ten years.
Based on who the number one is, not who number two is.
Who the number one is.
You mean CEO?
No, not CEO.
The sales company, you got a thousand sales players.
So sales leaders, salespeople, yeah.
But whoever the number one is, anytime I chose a number one that was more about them than the team, the company collapsed.
Every time.
But if you chose the right number one, the company exploded.
Like Sepala's, they took the company holder from levels.
We've had great number ones, Gaitan, Sepalas, Vart.
We've had a lot of different number ones, right?
And they're all great number ones because people want to be like, well, okay, can I get that kind of recognition?
Yes, like we're about to go.
We're going to Vegas tomorrow, right?
We're going to have 12,000 people.
I'm on the phone last night with Mario Lopez because he's hosting awards ceremony, Nikki Jam, Sebastian Manascaro, Mike Tyson.
It's going to be a pretty intense event next week in Vegas for a whole week at MGM Grant.
But whoever your number one is, people are going to duplicate.
So now, you go back 50 years ago in America.
Who was the hero in America 50 years ago?
JFK.
Okay.
Who else?
Yeah, I'm with that.
John Wayne.
Go 50 years ago.
It's 2071.
1971.
Who's a hero?
After that?
1971.
David Hicks just died.
Nah, Nixon's.
1971.
Who was the richest man in America in 1971?
Who was it?
Who was a guy?
Pull it up and see who was it?
Was Leia Akoka there yet?
I don't know.
1971 is probably going to be.
It has to be Ford.
It has to be somebody.
Ford, those guys.
Richest man in the world in 1971.
This is when Sinatra was in.
1971.
Okay, so there you go.
Elvis was a little bit of a family.
So think about that.
Sinatra, Howard Hughes.
Howard Hughes was one of them, Sam Walton.
Okay.
Yeah, Howard Walton was getting started.
Daniel Ludwig, it's an interesting story.
Okay, so keep going.
Frank Sinatra, everybody wants to be like Frank.
Elvis.
Okay, Elvis.
You want to be like Elvis?
Great.
Who else did you want to be like?
That's Clint Eastwood really getting into his days.
John Wayne.
Well, 71, the counterculture was really big, too.
You were starting to get, I mean, it was really big.
By the way, look at that.
There's Howard Hughes.
So you look at Howard Hughes.
J. Paul Giddy was prior to that.
Okay.
Okay, I'm thinking.
Gray Chamberlain, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, one of the greatest independent ever called Easy Rider by Dennis Hopper and Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson, 1971.
Perfect.
Jack Nicholson was a face of Hollywood at that time.
Was he one of the guys?
Peter Fonda probably.
Okay, so 1971.
Fair.
So the Beatles were huge.
The Beatles were huge in 71.
Okay, so if you're 18 years, if you're 14 to 18 years old and you're in high school, oh my gosh, bro, I'd love to be like, in baseball, it was who.
71 would be, basketball was Kareem.
71, baseball would be Aaron.
The end of Mickey.
Aaron.
Yeah.
Aaron, let's just say you're looking up to Mickey Manning.
You're looking up to Aaron, right?
Okay.
So these are the heroes we looked up to, right, at that time.
So Kid is competing to be who?
That person.
Okay.
Kid is trying to be like that person.
Who's the hero today in America?
LeBron James.
Who else?
Oh, that's one of them.
But give me some of the names.
Heroes.
Who's the hero?
Some would say Juane.
Some would say Obama.
Some would say The Rock.
Go give the name.
So let's just go through them.
Obama, you're talking LeBron.
You're talking Leo.
You're talking.
You think Leo's a hero?
You think people look at Leo like they want to be like this?
If you're talking about the 14 to 18 age range, you've got to talk about YouTube.
I was just about to say, J. Paul.
You've got to talk about YouTube.
Paul Brothers.
Yeah.
Paulie Brothers.
Pootie Pie.
PewDiePie.
PewDiePie.
Who else?
Mr. Beast.
Mr. Beast.
Okay.
14 to 18.
Yeah.
So let me ask you a question.
Let me go to a different part here.
So in 1971, what does a man's man look like in 1971?
Manly.
Give me who there is.
Clint Eastwood, man.
Clint Eastwood, John Wayne, Frank Sinatra, you know, somebody like that was a man's man.
Let me pull something up.
You wanted to be like a man's man in the 70s, right?
Okay.
What does a man's man look like today?
What is a man's man today?
Is that even an insult to say a man's man?
What's a man's man?
I think a man's man looks similar, but I don't know if a man's man is what's being pushed to the mainstream, if that makes sense.
Is a man's man likely to be on the cover of a Time magazine today?
Is a man's man likely to be the hero today?
Is a man's man likely to be someone we look up to today?
No, no, no, they're precisely the opposite.
They're presented as like being somehow repressive of other people.
Like, you know, if you somehow are working a lot and earning, you can't earn a good living for yourself without somehow oppressing somebody else.
You don't know.
Yeah, they literally call it toxic masculinity.
Okay, so let's talk about a rich person.
In 1971, if you were rich, did people want to know who the lives of rich and famous was?
For sure.
You've been leeched, the lifestyles of the rich and famous.
Okay, so it was cool to be rich in the 70s.
What is it today to be rich?
I talk about it all the time.
What is the thing I hate most about our culture is the repentant rich?
But what I'm saying to you is like today, not even the repentant rich.
I'm talking the 14 to 18-year-old.
Is he looking up saying, dude, I admire these rich people.
I want to be like them.
Well, there was a study that came out, a poll.
They polled people under 21, their thoughts on capitalism versus socialism.
It was like shocking.
I think 54% said that capitalism was bad, and 44% said capitalism was good.
So younger people are not advocates of capitalism.
Yeah, but I bet you most of the people taking that poll cannot define either of those things.
And that was actually the part B to that, is that they actually asked the follow-up question, like, would you know the difference?
And they're like, yeah, not really.
No, socialism.
I mean, the word sounds nice.
Like, it rolls off the tongue nicely.
It's got the word social in it.
Sounds great.
Who doesn't like being social?
Social media.
Capital sounds social security.
Yeah, yeah, but again, I think this is a, we've, we've forgotten who the hero is.
Can I show you a question?
We are we are edifying the wrong heroes so these kids have the wrong image of who to look up to because I don't care who you admire, but I at least want to have somebody I put up there to say, hey, one day, what if one day, you know, this is a man's man.
This is an example of one day for us to be alike.
I'm going to show you a picture.
That's a great point.
It's a great point.
Can I pull this picture up?
This is trending on social media.
And it's basically back in my day, this was Nas.
Now your generation is exactly.
So I see that, and it's freaking hilarious.
The original Nas versus Lil Nas X. Listen, I actually, look, there's, I have an interesting thought.
You actually have that out.
I have an interesting thought about that.
See, with Lil Nas X. If you look at like the people in the 1700s, 1800s, 18th century, right?
These are some of the toughest human beings on planet Earth.
And they dressed like that.
You know what I'm saying?
Like the laws of chivalry had to be invented because people were just murking each other.
It was like, say something wrong about me and we'll have a duel.
And I'd shoot you in the face.
But I'd walk around looking like that.
But then we'd kill each other over an argument.
Somebody told me you would have loved Harvard.
You would have loved it.
I think we need better heroes.
Well, we think that how about we just don't need to tear them down?
We forget having better heroes, people.
It would be great.
Can we just start by not tearing down the heroes that we already have?
So tearing down statues?
So yesterday, this week, I spoke to a guy named Kenny Hsu who wrote the book called The Inconvenient Minority.
And he talks about how there's this high school called the Thomas Jefferson High School.
It's a number one high school in America.
Best grades.
Kids come out there.
76% of the school is Asian.
Okay.
Nearly 80% of kids are Asian.
What city is this in?
I don't know.
If you look it up, he was talking about Thomas Jefferson High School.
And then he talks about how in Harvard, out of all the applicants that submit their applications, they should accept 43% of Harvard should be Asian, but only 21% is because they want to make sure they're inclusive.
You know, the whole, you know, making sure we're accepting, discriminate against.
They don't want too many Asians there because it's way too much.
Out of 5.9% in America, Asian, our population is 5.9% Asian.
22% of Harvard students are Asian.
Okay, so out of only 5.9 to 22% of Harvard.
So they're just completely rocking it, right?
And, you know, he's talking about what's going on, why he didn't want to go to Harvard, et cetera.
And yesterday I talked to Eddie Gallagher.
I don't know if you know Eddie Gallagher is.
Eddie Gallagher is a he's the guy that was the Navy SEAL.
He did eight tours, two bronze medals, and he was seen with the video with one of the ISIS terrorists that they took the picture in the video and it went viral.
He went to prison.
You know this story.
Chief Eddie Gallagher, Navy SEAL.
And then Trump got him and says, I don't support what he did, but I think a man that put his life out, he's got to get out.
And I said, tell me what it's like in the military.
The military has something called the Navy, NCIS, okay?
It's like the intelligence where they do research.
It's literally a TV show called NCIS.
Yeah, if you can pull out what NCIS means, and then there's CID.
NCIS and CID are the same thing.
I said, what role does NCIS play?
He says, who runs NCIs?
He says, well, it's the officers.
And I said, okay, so why don't officers support what you're doing?
He says, because, you know, for them, they don't like us.
So I went and Googled.
I said, let me look up Navy SEAL.
Because when you think about a man's man, what do you think about?
You think, if I told you right now, he's a Navy SEAL, what would you say?
How would you look at him if I told you he's a Navy SEAL?
Strong, masculine, brave, courageous.
You'd look at him in a different way.
I'd look at him now.
He's not a Navy SEAL.
He just goes to the beach a lot.
But if I said Navy SEAL, you immediately judge him.
So I looked up how many people are Navy SEALs in America today?
2,500.
How many active billionaires do we have in America today?
Around the same number.
2,500.
Okay.
Wow.
He said, NCIS hates anybody that makes it to the highest level, like Navy SEALs.
So who writes about billionaires that they don't like them?
You got regulators like an Elizabeth Warren.
You got some journalists that go after them.
Activists.
The CID and regulators, they're the same human beings.
He said the most interesting thing to me yesterday because General Milley, I asked him about General Milley.
I said, so what happened with General Milley talking about CRT?
And here's a general.
Like, why is a general going out there defending some of these things being taught?
He says, because there's an interesting thing that you don't know about.
I said, what's that?
He says, in the military, after 04 or 05, to get your promotion, Congress has to sign off on your promotion.
Let me say this one more time.
So if you're a politicians have to sign off, if you become a colonel or a general, one-star general, you need Congress to sign off on your promotion.
That's interesting.
This is Gallagher saying this to me on the podcast we did yesterday.
He has a book that just came out called He's got a book coming out.
The interview is going to come out here next week.
So the point is the people who are not the man's man are in charge of building up who the man's man is.
So up until that changes, we are never going to recognize who the man's man is.
We are never going to recognize who the real heroes are.
So the problem isn't that.
The problem is who's telling the world who the real heroes are.
On a small level, on a much smaller level than that, that's an incredible story.
And also, if we can find a crossover between the 2,500 Navy SEALs and the 2,500 billionaires, we have Batman.
So if we find one, let's go.
But the interesting thing about what you're saying is there's actually a guy who listens to the show who is pushing back on that.
And that's Kurt Schilling.
Kurt Schilling, whether you agree with him or don't agree with him, Kurt Schilling is a very great American baseball pitcher.
Bloody sock.
Bloody sock, incredible competitor.
Tough guy.
Tough dude.
But he made some to our establishment some questionable tweets while he's working for ESPN.
And now he has requested to be taken off the Hall of Fame ballot.
He's almost a lock to make it this year.
And he's been requested to be taken off the ballot because he does not want to give the writers the ability to judge his career.
You don't get to tell me whether or not I was a Hall of Famer.
He'll wait the seven years until he goes to the Veterans Committee, which is a bunch of old players that select people that haven't gone through the process.
And he's like, I would rather wait and then have my peers put me in the Hall of Fame because I respect them.
And if they don't put me in, that's fine.
Zubi, who was your hero growing up?
Honestly, who are some of your heroes?
Some of your heroes.
Sure a thing.
I'll start with my parents, which is important.
That's important to say.
My parents.
Man, who am I?
That's the question, right?
Like, LL Cool J.
Okay.
LL Cool J is bad as hell.
I like Arnie, Arnold Schwartz named it.
Really?
Okay.
That's guy.
Growing up.
I'm coming to you as well, by the way.
I want you to think about it.
I'm going to come to you next as well.
Yeah, I'm trying to think.
I used to be really into wrestling.
So I love like The Rock and Stone Cold.
How old are you?
I'm 34.
Okay.
Yeah, I really love it.
Same age.
Yeah.
I was really into all those guys.
A lot of, I guess, rappers to some extent, not in terms of like role models, you know, like my dad and my older brothers and family for that, but in terms of who were your rappers?
Were you your NAS person?
Were you two?
Naz, Jay-Z.
Oh, you're 34.
So Tech 9.
Andre 3.
No, not really.
Really?
Not really, no.
This is in the UK.
Mob Deep.
Mob Deep.
You were in the UK at this time?
Yeah.
I mean, I wouldn't say those people were heroes per se.
I mean, these are some of the artists I've seen.
Now, let me ask you another question.
Who did your dad admire?
Who did your dad say?
Who did your mom say, oh my gosh, this person here is somebody that really made an impact?
Who was that person to you?
That's a big question.
Man, I'd need to ask my dad.
You're thinking about that?
Are you guys also thinking about it?
Absolutely.
Like, who was it for you?
By the way, folks, if you're watching this, I'm curious.
Like somebody said here, Jordan, Tyson, Gretzky, Stallone, Arnold.
List is long.
Nice.
You know, these names that are coming up, you go, who was your hero?
Who was your hero?
Actually, think about it.
Kai, who was yours?
Who was your hero as a kid growing up?
You're 22, so I mean.
Oddly enough, Steve Irwin, the guy, the animal guy.
I cried like a baby when he died.
Wow.
I don't know why.
I loved watching his TV show.
But he was one of the first people that when he died, I was so.
Now, let me ask you, was it you or did your mom and dad also love him in a diet?
I think I probably watched it mostly with my dad.
There you go.
Okay, so there was a connection with your dad.
So how about yourself?
Who was your hero?
I had one guy.
It was Isaiah Thomas for the Detroit Pistol.
Okay, I was really obsessed with that.
I was a point guard.
My dad's from Detroit.
He went to the University of Michigan.
I loved Isaiah Thomas.
And then the second person, it was more of a, not a person, but a thought process.
I was obsessed with the Civil War.
I loved the North.
I loved Abraham Lincoln.
I saw the movie Glory with Denzel Washington.
I just sympathized with everything that was going on with that.
And I just never understood the Confederacy.
I was like, fuck them.
Very important.
How old were you?
I was a kid, 10 years old.
That's crazy.
So watch, watch how interesting that is because now you're kind of, we're learning about ourselves.
It's not every day we wake up.
Who was my hero when I was a kid, right?
Who was yours?
Maybe a movie, by the way.
You also went to a movie.
Like for me, if you think Rocky IV to me, I watched Rocky IV a few hundred times.
And the whole part at the end when he says, at the beginning of this fight, you know, you didn't like, you know, all that.
But if you can change if he can change, if I can change, anybody can change.
Who was yours with that?
I mean, first of all, my dad is not even close.
The disparity between first and second is so.
So let's set that apart aside.
It's a more fair advantage.
But Rocky would be one, okay, what Rocky did.
And you were in Iran at the point?
I was in Iran at the point.
I'd say Rocky's probably, guys, I would have to tell you, Rocky may be a top five growing up as a kid.
I think Shaw would be on that list.
And that was before you came to America.
And then the Rocky character?
The Rocky character, not Sylvester Stallone.
When you character.
When you were in Iran, question for you.
You didn't have any ties to America, right?
No, not at all.
But you saw this movie and you're like, damn, America.
Yeah, not at all.
But because my ties are to Russia.
On my mother's side, they're all communists.
So to them, they have ties to the communistic regime.
They escaped that to come, but my mother still had affinity for them.
You know, my mother wanted to name me Sasha.
We talked about this last week.
Would your mother have rooted for Ivondrago in that movie?
My mother would have, yes, she would have definitely rooted for Ivondrago.
So if you look at it.
Philly says, for me, I went for me.
And then you come to America, and then you come to America and you think who your hero is.
I looked up to him.
When Michael Jordan retired, I cried like a baby.
When Magic got eight, I was devastated.
When Tupac died, it was like freaking, you know, best friend dying.
You know, first president I shook hands with was Clinton at Glendale when I was working at Haagen Dazz and he just walked by like, oh shit.
He rolled up to Hagen.
No, he was at Glendale Galleria doing a campaign trail and he was walking on shaking hands.
I put my hand out.
He shook my hand.
I'm like 14 years old.
It's like a double scoop.
But the point is, like, who do we look up to?
Who did mom and dad look up to?
My dad looked up man's man.
Everything to my dad was a John Wayne.
My dad was Clint Eastwood.
So you're like, I want to be a man's man one day.
Who was yours?
It's a weird question for me, man, because I was brought up differently.
You know, like I was brought up like hardcore, you know, New York.
You know, I'm not sure.
You've told me, you've told me before, like, you had very big admiration for Ron Jeremy, but I'm talking like heroes, like heroes.
Mickey Button, specifically heroes.
Yeah.
My dad was probably my hero, but he, my dad was definitely my hero.
But, you know, like, I came home with a jersey on one day.
He goes, oh, yeah, you're going to wear another man's name on your back.
What's wrong with you?
Bronx tail.
Bronx tail.
Mickey Mandel don't pay your rent.
That's exactly.
That is exactly how my father was.
My father's like, oh, you're crying because the Mets lost?
Okay.
I got to go to Brown.
Daryl Strawberry in pain.
I'm going to go to Bengal.
How do you feel about that?
How'd you feel about it then?
How do you feel about it now?
It changed the way I viewed it.
Like, I didn't, like, I was very, I think it helped me compete because it gave me an idea that these are just men.
If they can do something, I can do something.
You know, I really, like, there's people like I admire their ability to do their profession, but I never really looked at them as like heroes.
Other than your dad, there's nobody that can be like, like, dude, like, yeah, but I mean, there's like, as I would read and I'd read about, you know, historical figures, as you know, I'm very into politics and history.
And like, I'd be like, this is a great man.
This is a great man.
This is a great man who did great things.
But I never really like, I look at it almost as like I could emulate them.
Like, this is somebody that I can do.
If he did it this way, I can do this this way as well.
Speaking of great men, by the way, not to cut you off, Kai, I'm shocked you didn't say Teddy Raymond.
Winston Churchill and Teddy Roosevelt.
Teddy Roosevelt isn't until later, though.
By the way, here's what's interesting.
Some of the young guys here that I'm looking at, a kid says David Goggins, great guy to look up to.
Fantastic, because that's a qualified man's man, right?
ECE.
Mom, maybe a different story.
Give me that, give me that.
Chuck Norris.
That's right.
Chuck Norris.
I'll tell you what, it's something I've had to kind of unlearn as I got older because the mentality becomes like, you see someone doing well, and the initial reaction is, oh, he ain't shit, man.
Like, man, screw that guy.
It's a hater.
It's a 100% hater mentality.
Don't be a hater.
What ends up happening to it is, is like, yeah, it's cool.
Like, you're not a fanboy or nothing like that.
Is that a part of Jersey culture?
Or no, that's for sure.
I was a trip to it for sure.
But there's also a part of it where you have to be willing and open to be like, you know what, man?
Maybe this guy knows something I don't know.
And let me humble myself a little bit and let me try to learn in that moment.
But it's taken me a very long time to kind of unlearn that, man.
That's interesting.
I don't need this dude.
That must be a real cultural thing because I've never had that.
Like, I find that.
Never, Zubi.
Like that kind of hater rate.
Is it UK or is it your family?
That's a good question.
Probably more family.
Okay.
Probably more family.
Like, I mean, I was always brought up, and I think just the way I'm wired to, you know, like admire and respect, you know, hard work and success and what people would call a meritocracy, et cetera.
It was never really sort of formally put to me that way, but that's how I always looked at it.
I mean, even to this day, even I like, I don't hate on anyone or anything, even with someone who I don't really like or I don't really like what they're doing or whatever.
If someone is successful in any way, shape, or form, there's always something that you can learn from that.
Yeah.
Always something that you can take away.
You may not even, you know, some musician could blow up and you don't even, you don't like their music, but you look into the story of, okay, how did they get there?
How did they do it?
And you'll pick up something.
Even some of these, I don't know, people talk a lot these days about influencers.
Oh, there's these people on Instagram or TikTok or whatever.
And, you know, people criticize them because they're like, oh, that girl's just, you know, posting dumb dancing videos.
And she's, you know, but it's like, well, she's got 15 million followers.
She's doing something.
Like Addison Ray.
You can learn something.
From that.
Like, it doesn't matter who you are.
You could be a business person.
Have that new truth and something.
That's a good statement to what you're saying.
Your parents, tell us about your parents.
Stronger.
Were they Christians?
Yeah, my parents are Christian.
Okay.
Yeah.
So my parents are from Nigeria.
Okay.
So, you know, been married 40 plus years.
Somewhat good, a perfect combination between traditional values and also being open to the world and embracing new ideas.
So my dad's a medical doctor.
My mom used to be a journalist.
Now she works as a magistrate.
And I'm the youngest of five kids and just brought up well.
Like I've got wonderful, wonderful parents, a wonderful family, which I think is the hugest.
You're very lucky, man.
Yeah, I think that's the biggest privilege that people do not talk about, let alone being born in this timeframe.
Which is one of the things the American left is really, really strong about wanting to kind of eliminate the privilege.
No, privilege is a great thing.
Privilege is a great thing.
I think this inversion of privilege to be something you're supposed to be ashamed of and atone for is totally insane, right?
Like if you have privilege, take that and use it to your advantage and use it to help other people.
There's nothing to be ashamed of.
That's fantastic, man.
Sometimes you forget just the values of how to raise a family.
This guy came yesterday applying to be a CEO of Valutainment, COO of Valutainment.
And he is from Bahrain is where he's from.
And he talked about, we're talking about the crime levels in Dubai.
The conversation about Dubai.
They don't have guns.
There is no crime.
No crime at all.
But the family values and principles of how they raise their kids and what they do is so high.
They value respect, marriage, relationship, all that so high that you don't get a lot of that.
You said you lived in Saudi Arabia for a year.
I lived in Saudi Arabia for 19 years.
Well, 19 years.
For 19 years.
19 years.
That's a lot more than a year out of it.
Look at Saudi Arabians and Iranians getting along, right?
The Shiites and the Sunnis, they're doing it.
I do want to clarify one thing if I can, though, because I don't want, it's the wrong mentality to say that I was brought up to be a hater.
Oh, yeah.
No, no, but I just, I do want to clarify.
You did say that's like a jersey thing.
But it's not.
Like, I can't really explain it if you didn't grow up in that area.
It's not jealousy and it's not hate.
It's just like, all right, whatever.
He's doing his own thing.
Like, I'm not going to suck up to him to get his shit.
Whatever.
I'll do my own thing.
You're not going to fanboy it.
It's like, yeah, it's like.
That is true.
That is New York Jersey.
But the other side of the world.
Whatever is shit.
No, no, but it's an apathy towards it.
And like, literally, like, if somebody would be like, if somebody would come home and like my sisters would go to a birthday party at the cult snack at Like big house or something like that, and they come home.
They'd be like, You wouldn't believe the size.
Like, we had like this little tiny, like, above-ground pool in the backyard and stuff like that.
Now, to my father's credit, he grew up in an apartment complex, and like, so having his own yard was he was living his dream no matter what was in it, you know what I mean?
So, like, now this other person, so my sisters don't know any different.
They could come out and they're like, Well, they got this big pool and everything like that.
He's like, Hey, good for them, God bless.
But you know, just be careful because you know, the food they eat don't make you shit.
So, let me say one thing, and then I have a question for comparisons: the thief of joy.
By the way, what he's saying is very powerful.
A lot of people are raised that way.
Somebody said here, Dean Martin, that was one of the people we grew up with.
Paulette, my sister was texting me.
We grew up to Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin.
My dad loved John Wayne, John Wayne.
He loved Jerry Lewis, Dean and Jerry.
Well, comparison is a thief of joy.
That's the last thing you said, which is actually true.
So, sometimes, like, I'm actually a pretty, yo, respect, bro.
Like, I, but I'll find myself hating sometimes, right?
I think it happens, right?
Like, quite candidly.
And then, when I find myself hating on someone, I'll say, Hold on, why am I hating on this person?
And oftentimes, it's because they're doing something that I want to be doing or I think I can be doing.
So, I'll catch myself and say, All right, rather than hating, ah, you ain't shit, just be like, All right, cool, recognize that that's something that you actually respect and you want to do, and just pursue that rather than hate on him because he's doing that.
That's the way to do it.
But I think that you can't, if any kids are like listening to this, I don't want to say kids, like late teenagers, early 20s, like that.
That's maturity, like that is what you grow into.
That's not something you're you're an incredibly impressive human being if you're coming to that mentality in your late teens, early 20s.
Like, a lot of us have to burn bridges, make mistakes, and be like, wake up in the morning with the regrets and be like, damn, I wish I didn't do it like that.
And then use those, you know, use those scabs and those scars to build a new person.
You know what I mean?
So, my question for PBD: do you ever find yourself hating on anybody and catch yourself?
Because obviously, you're not a hater, you're very big on edifying.
Like, there's, I never hear you being like, ah, he ain't shit.
I've never heard you say, like, he ain't nothing, whatever.
But do you ever find yourself being like, well, you know, he's uh, no, how do you find that?
Listen, I believe in Doug, which is, we've talked about this, I believe in diffuse, unified glue.
I believe in diffuse unified glue.
If you can diffuse issues between you and Adam, you and Gerard, and then we unify, we don't have glue.
But don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty competitive guy.
I like competition, I like sports, but I'm not a fan of manipulators at all.
Like, listen, I have I'm allergic to manipulators, I'm allergic to bullies, I'm allergic to those that want to play games.
That, I don't know if you call it hate on, I'll call that out.
Yeah, that's there.
So, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not for that at all.
But, man, if you're winning and killing it in the game, more power to you.
Your whole thing is salute, respect.
Let me put it to you this way: like, even the other day, uh, you know, Ty Lopez, you don't hear the name Ty Lopez a lot lately, but Ty Lopez, four or five years ago, was here in my garage.
You know, everybody was hating on the guy here.
This, is that right?
Yeah, uh, today, you know, I saw his post the other day.
The guy looks chiseled.
The guy looks amazing.
He looks fully happy what he's doing.
He's not creating content anymore, but you know, he's buying company.
I'm very excited for the guy what he's doing.
Joe, yesterday, you know me, last week, you know, me park called me.
She says, Pat, you won't even believe what happened.
I said, What's that?
I got a call from Joe Rogan.
I said, I said, I see you everywhere.
She says, I'm going to be on Rogan next week.
I said, You have no idea how happy I am.
I said, I'm going to tell him that the fact that all this stuff happened after my interview with you on YouTube because she got like 4 million views, and then she went on Jordan Peterson, everybody, right?
I said, That's fantastic.
That's great.
And then she was on Rogan.
She posted it, and it's been all over the news that this was one of Rogan's best interviews ever.
Whatever he's been.
And he's going to be on Rogan soon.
Yeah, but he's been on.
You've been on Rogan before.
I've been on before.
I'll be on again 17th of August.
Yeah, so you see what Rogan's doing.
Rogan's freaking killing the game.
You can't do nothing.
No, you can't.
By the way, here's an even crazier thing.
Chris Cuomo and Andrew Cuomo.
What did I say about them when the brothers were going back and forth?
What did I say when they were doing the show together?
Oh, you loved them initially.
You said, this is great.
This is their own reality.
Because what it made me think about is all I think about when I saw that exchange is what Thanksgiving was when these guys were in their teenage years with their mom and dad.
All I thought about is the dad.
That's all I thought about.
All I thought about is what kind of a smack talking, competitive environment that family was raised on.
That's all I think about.
I don't go to any other area.
But yeah, if you're playing games, you're manipulating, you're dividing, not a fan of you.
Remember, by the way, Mario Cuomo, by the way, was a stud baseball player.
And he actually got signed for more money by the Yankees than Nikki Manley.
He was a bust, but he actually got signed for more money than Nick Middle.
What a great story.
That was his initial story.
By the way, Cuomo, what do you think about what's going on?
Oh.
Okay, I kind of saw this one coming.
Help us out here, Sam.
That's been working out, man.
Phil Heath, that's on you, Phil.
I mean, that's, you know.
Someone help us out here.
But tell me this.
Tell me the story with Cuomo right now.
So you got a couple things that's going on.
Let's transition into that.
Okay.
So on one end, you're seeing the story about how, you know, 11 women are coming out.
Okay.
Well, first of all, Zubi, do you know who Andrew Cuomo is?
Oh, yeah, the governor of New York, right?
Yes, yes.
So you hear stories about his stuff is coming out.
You know, 11, not his stuff is coming out, but his stories are coming out with 11.
Oh, his stuff's coming out.
Yeah, it's definitely.
But 11 women are, you know, so then the other day, the awkward moment where the transition from Chris Cuomo to Don Lamont, and Don says, brother, I love you, you know, Chris.
Today we're going to talk about the governor of New York, which was in a split segment, which was escalated quickly.
Kind of awkward.
But what should have happened to Andrew?
Biden's telling him he should step down.
Should he step down?
Dude, he should step down.
I just think it's amazing that this is what people are grasping onto rather than the fact that he put basically human time bombs into nursing homes in New York, leading to thousands upon thousands of unnecessary deaths through his policies of putting people who tested positive with COVID back into nursing homes.
Somehow people completely gloss over this one.
And, you know, out of the two sins committed, I think that that one is the more serious one.
Yeah.
Then, you know, it's not diminishing how he's behaved towards women, et cetera.
Allegedly, I don't know all the details of that, but it amazes me that we're living in a society where that one is considered, you know, we can gloss over that first thing, and that's the one that you think he should step down.
Absolutely.
He should have stepped down.
He killed 50,000 people, shouldn't it?
Last year when he was accepting, well, he got an Emmy Award.
Well, we all know that's not going to happen.
So we all know that's not going to happen.
He wrote a best-selling book.
What I'm saying to you is all of that, what you're saying, that's not going to happen.
He's not going to step down because of the nursing home.
That's not going to happen.
I'm talking about should he step down for these allegations, not allegations, investigation that comes up.
I'll just read it to you.
Biden calls that Cuomo to quit.
After damning sexual harassment report, The Guardian reports, Joe Biden has led the calls from both parties for New York governor Andrew Cuomo to resign.
After an investigation, New York Attorney General Tito James unveiled the results of an investigation on Tuesday shows that Como engaged in unwanted groping, kissing, and hugging and made inappropriate comments to multiple women.
I think he should resign, said the president.
So it's not like, you know, you're sitting here and then asked about Cuomo's attempt to defend himself by using an image in which he's making physical contact with Biden himself.
The president said, look, I'm not going to fly spec this.
I'm sure there were some embraces that were totally innocent, but apparently the attorney general decided that there were things going on.
He blamed his Italian heritage.
I'm an Italian.
We're a little handsy.
Come on, man.
But on this, on the premise, on the story of 11, should he resign based on that?
I lean to a yes.
Adam.
Look, there's a lot of people that are asked to step down.
Some people do.
Some people don't.
I mean, do I think he's going to step down?
I also think...
He should.
Do you think he should?
Okay, so what they're asking him to step down for are these harassment claims.
Hear you on that, bro.
Like, everything he did with the nursing homes.
I don't live in New York, so I'm not following all that much.
But there is something called due process.
I mean, if these accusers are not lying, he does deserve his time in court.
I'm not a Cuomo guy or an anti-Cuomo guy.
Should he resign because of this?
I don't think he should resign.
I don't think he will resign.
But if the facts come out that he did do this, fuck yeah.
Well, the facts did come out.
So that's what they're saying.
Not in a court of law, though.
So if I, if I'm in.
The president is asking you to resign.
He's a Democrat.
It's not like a Republican's calling out a Democrat.
He's speaking from political.
Is a Democrat call on a Democrat to resign?
Yes.
So this is exactly what I'm saying.
A lot of the news are the same.
It isn't a Democrats.
It is an activist.
That's like Trump asking DeSantis to resign.
And would DeSantis resign?
If Trump asked to resign, if DeSantis had something like this, the amount of pressures would be for him to have to resign.
Well, you brought that up.
How many people, when, speaking of groping, asked Trump to drop out of the race when that Billy Bush, yeah, you know, I get what he says.
Grab him in the pussy.
I'm asking you.
They said him to drop out.
He wins the race and he becomes a president.
I think that's very different.
How is it different?
I think that's very different because that would be like, firstly, that table was from like the 90s, right?
No, no, not from the 90s.
It was from way, it was from decades before he became president.
No, not decades, maybe a few years.
Billy Bush access holiday.
Let's fact check it out.
I'm going to check it out.
What was the data?
I think it was at least a decade before.
I'm going to check it out.
But the point is, I think it is over 10 years.
Yeah, that was a private conversation, right?
Like, let's be real.
We're all guys here.
Let's not.
It was locker room talking to 200 years.
Okay, so exactly.
Exactly 10 years.
Exactly 10 years.
That's a long time.
Yeah, but that's a private conversation.
The conversation I had with Caroline before this started was way.
Let's be real.
Men, women, people, we've all had conversations in private that you wouldn't want to come out to the public, right?
He wasn't president at the time.
It was a private conversation.
Basically, every conversation I had with Gerard.
Yeah, yeah, exactly, right?
You wouldn't want that coming out there.
People make jokes, whatever.
So, you know, and yeah, so that's a different thing to actually like physically groping people.
And was that done while that's done while Cuomo was governor, right?
Yes.
Am I correct?
Yes.
Yeah, so it's totally different.
You're talking about a physical act and you're talking about it.
You're talking about the fact that he was asked to resign.
I don't think Cuomo should resign because Biden said he should.
Right?
I think what he actually has done, if, again, allegedly, if he did it and he's got that guilty conscience and he's like, you know what?
Like, I screwed up.
Then yeah, I think it's there a worse word to have attached to your name than allegedly?
Allegedly, he donates all his money to charity.
It's always like, allegedly, he's doing some grove.
Here's every question.
Here's a question, though.
Go ahead.
Well, next five moves, right?
We're not asking the right questions, frankly.
Why you said it's rare for a Democrat to tell another Democrat.
It is and it isn't.
Because what is never going to happen in New York?
What will never happen in New York State right now?
Tell us.
Will a Republican ever be elected either mayor of New York City or governor of New York State?
I think so.
Let's not say never.
I think so.
Giuliani was there?
I mean, it's not.
Not in this environment and not right now.
We're talking 25 years old.
I think the best ideas always win.
So if the people are sick of the wokeness, just trust me on this.
They wouldn't.
Just a jersey guy.
Just trust me.
They would not be doing this if they thought there was any, any chance of them losing the gubernatorial bid.
So they're going to take out Cuomo, who has tried to sprint left with his rhetoric, but is actually a pretty moderate dude.
And why?
Because they want to push further left.
The epicenter of the far-left progressive movement, justice Democrats in particular, is Brooklyn, New York.
They have Brooklyn, New York, and they have L.A., and like a cancerous cell, they are spreading from there.
So, right now, you have Yang and you have AOC.
AOC can moonwalk into the mayor of New York.
She polls incredibly popular in New York.
And Yang is not polling well, and they want Yang.
Yang would poll well as the governor.
So the progressive wing of the party can get a two-for-one.
This is what I told you was going to happen.
The Democrats are not worried about Republicans because Republicans have no fight in them, and they've given up on these areas.
They have no fight whatsoever.
They're not going after New York.
They're solidifying the areas that they have.
So now the Democrats are kowtowing to the far-left progressive wing of the party, and the far-left progressive wing of the party is going after Cuomo.
So if Cuomo's not going to resign, what Cuomo needs to do is push back, and he needs to immediately say, hey, Joe Biden, that's an interesting thing.
You think I should resign?
What happened to that woman that you use as a bowling ball that you ended up deciding that nobody needs to know about that?
We're worried about Trump talking about grabbing a woman by the kitty.
You were actually accused of doing it in the halls.
And she was your intern.
And somehow, some way, she disappeared on the campaign trail.
Somehow, some way, she went away.
Why don't you resign, Uncle Joe?
Why don't you take corn pop and go down to Delaware and braid your leg hair?
No, I'm going to stay right here until you resign first.
I got to define how this goes to sit.
Go down to Delaware and braid your leg hair.
Cuomo needs to be a ball.
Hey, he's a bowling ball.
Then you got Cuomo needs to then immediately turn hard against the left side of the party.
And that is how he can redefine himself in the relationship.
He won't do it.
Can we just defund all of these politicians, man?
Slingshot him all the sun.
Who just won, I don't know, again, not the New York shot, but who just allegedly won allegedly the mayor of New York City race?
It was a black conservative former police.
Who's winning?
Mayor of New York City.
Bill de Blasio.
But there's a new race going on right now.
Yeah, but it's not until next year.
Bill de Blasio.
Who's polls going on right there?
Who's the guy at the top of the street?
By the way, he's a former police officer.
Gerard.
He's the far left.
The former chief of the police officers.
If he resigns, who takes over?
If who resigns?
If Cuomo resigns, who takes over?
It would be his assistant.
It's not the Attorney General.
They have a weird secession.
They don't have an assistant governor.
Can you pull up who takes over if Cuomo resigns?
Kai, just go Google that real quick.
Who takes over?
By the way, is it ironic that the governors of New York?
This would be his fourth term, by the way.
They have no style.
Is it ironic that you're taking?
The governor of New York and the governor of California are both being asked to resign.
Kathy Hokul.
Who's Kathy Hokul?
Kathy H-O-C-H-U-L.
She's the next in line in case he was to resign.
Now, I'll tell you somebody who's Kathy Hokul.
See who that is.
Chris Christie should have resigned after Bridgegate.
And then that would have given Kim Codono an actual fighting chance against Phil Murphy.
They saved the people of New Jersey.
Wikipedia.
These eight years of horror Phil Murphy is crazy.
Phil Murphy.
You the ultimate knuckleheads.
The bucktoothed Goldman Sachs Boston assisted.
She'll be the first female governor to New York State.
So as a county clerk when she went to the 2007 or 10th Congress, she was assumed her seat in Congress.
Previously, she was a deputy county clerk.
Interesting.
So she would take over if Cuomo was to resign.
By the way, Andrew Cuomo's team, since you're watching this, we have reached out to you multiple times for an interview request, multiple times.
If you could just respond to us one time, that would be fantastic.
Really appreciate you.
And what we reached out to them is a special project that will be announced here soon that may do pretty good.
I don't know if we can reveal any of it, but may do something special here when it's launched.
Anyways, okay, so Cuomo, you're saying yes, you're saying no, you're saying he's not going to.
You're saying he should, and you're saying he should.
Your strategy actually is pretty.
Yeah, that was a pretty interesting thing.
What about the follow-up story that he sounds like a needy boyfriend?
Like, please come back to New York.
Please.
Let me read that story as well.
I just don't, the two don't go together.
It's weird that people live in New York City by choice.
But anyway.
Yeah, I don't think I'm not.
You're not a fan of New York City.
Bro, I left.
I left.
Have you been?
You spent time in New York?
Yeah.
Jersey and New York are tattooed on my own.
I love New York City.
I'm done.
I love visiting New York City.
I'll say that.
Visiting the city.
I love it.
Visiting is one thing, but there are certain places people live, and I'm like, man, if you can get out, why are you still there?
You lived in Saudi Arabia for 19 years.
Oh, my God.
You'd rather live in Saudi Arabia than New York.
You guys don't have a clue.
No?
Clue?
Really?
No.
Well, as a judge, you accept me in Saudi Arabia.
Y'all don't have a clue.
The fact that you're comparing, I'm like, dude.
Shout out to my boy Quenzy Mitchell, by the way.
You're living in Saudi Arabia to New York City, bro.
The company you work for paying for your child's education up to college level.
You're talking about free health care.
You're talking about fantastic weather.
But is this specifically in expat communities, you said?
Yeah, so this part.
But a lot of what I'm talking about is the whole country.
Saudi Arabia has no taxes, period.
Okay?
The infrastructure around the cities, even if you're talking Riyadh, et cetera, it's excellent.
Extraordinarily low crime rates.
Like you are safer in any Saudi city than you are in any major city in the U.S. By miles.
Not even comparable.
By miles.
Do you live under the same laws?
Are they, like, were the women in your family forced to be?
Sharia law?
Which law are you talking about?
Well, my understanding of Saudi Arabia is there are repressive cultural laws about what you can wear, what you can say, what you can post.
There is no liquor there, right?
It's not alcohol-free.
Yeah, alcohol.
I'm out.
I'm out, bro.
Alcohol-free.
Yeah, if that's a big thing for you.
Women specifically, do they have to wear the hijib?
So the hijabi man.
So it depends.
So stuff has also all changed.
So I left Saudi in 2008.
So things have actually changed quite significantly from what I understand over the past decade.
Because women can drive now, apparently.
Women can drive now, yes.
It's a big deal.
That is a big deal.
Because they couldn't drive in 2016.
There was just a story recently of women who snuck in to watch a soccer game, and then I think were stoned to death, though.
In Saudi?
Yeah.
Okay, please verify that one because that sounds sketch.
Okay, but you got to admit, it sounds awesome.
See if you can pull that up.
Women don't have it easy in Saudi Arabia.
Look, look, you're not the tourism bureau of Saudi Arabia.
I've never been there, but I mean, I'm just trying to understand.
Yeah, that's why I'm laughing because I'm like, when did you go?
Right?
I lived there for 19 years.
So Saudi is a company.
So you basically grew up there.
I grew up in Saudi Arabia, dude.
I went to school there until I was.
I would have stayed.
I mean, I went to boarding school from the age of 11 back in the UK.
So I was back and forth between the two countries from 11 to 20.
But, you know, and where I grew up.
So it's why I don't sound British, right?
Because a lot of the people I grew up with were American.
I grew up in an extraordinarily diverse community, people from all over the world.
Most of my teachers were American.
I was in the American school system from preschool up until fifth grade, in fact.
Interesting.
And then I switched over to the British.
So Saudi is a man on every level.
It's a gigantically misunderstood country in a lot of ways.
So obviously, as an expat, you have a certain experience, which is have you been to Dubai?
I have not.
Yes.
Okay, you've been in Dubai.
So closer to that than like some.
Saudi Arabia is not Iran, just so you know.
It's not.
And by the way, keep this in mind when he's saying.
It's not impressive?
Are you than Saudi Arabia?
Yeah.
By lines.
It's not even close.
People conflate them.
Yeah, but Kai, can you pull up what I just sent you?
10 questions about expat life in Saudi Arabia answer this one website.
Okay, interesting.
And one of the things that, if you can pull that up, Kai, it's actually pretty interesting.
What it talks about how women flirt with men, like dating life in Saudi Arabia, go all the way down.
So one thing for Gerard, it was in Iran.
It was in Iran.
Okay, I'm going to go ahead and do that.
I did conflate them on the story.
Keep going down.
Except, press clicks, except.
Okay, keep going down.
What's up, Laura?
Keep going, Family values, keep going.
Keep going.
Lilore, it's about to come up here.
Lil Lore, Lilore.
Right, their dating etiquette.
First dates must be low-key affairs.
If you live in the same compound or can let them into yours, you will likely spend your first date at the movies or the compound's restaurant.
And most likely, society rules don't apply within a compound.
This is great.
Relaxed option for couples.
Some restaurants in big cities also offer private cabins and are lax about letting genders mix within their establishment.
Asking around your expat circles is a good way to discover date spots.
Okay, so extremely conservative.
Many dating a local, many young Saudis now flirt more openly on apps such as Facebook, Tinder, Snapchat, and who share.
However, women in particular may still shy away from sending photos over messaging apps for fear of family repercussions.
Snapchat is popular.
And as a woman, you may well be asked mom can Snapchat, literally Snapchat possible.
You may also be.
So dating is it?
Go a little lower, Kai.
Go a little lower to see what can Saudis marry foreigners.
Over 700,000 Saudi women, 10% of all married Saudi women are also because our foreign husband, no.
No corresponding figures are available for Saudi men married to non-national.
So if it's a Saudi spouse you're looking for, there is hope.
Arranged marriages, marriages are still often arranged between conservative families.
LGBT relationship, homosexuality, transgender individuals moving to Saudi Arabia should be aware that it is illegal for men to act and dress like women and vice versa.
Homosexuality activity is also against the law and attracts the death penalty.
Whoa.
That said, saints, men and no booze women may find it easier to meet and socialize with potential partners, but they say, what is it like to work in Saudi Arabia?
So it says only Muslims can marry in Saudi Arabia, therefore expat couples of other faiths need to wed outside the Saudi Arabia.
Well, are you Muslim?
No, I'm Christian.
Christian.
Okay.
Yeah.
How are they in the middle of the world?
Why did you deliver?
Why did you leave?
You retire at 60 there.
So my dad reached 60, and the company he worked for, you retire at 60.
And so.
By the way, if you do the math, if you do the math, so this whole thing about, well, why don't they need taxes?
Why don't they tax anybody?
Oil money.
Okay, they got the natural.
It's like Dubai doesn't tax you, right?
And unemployment is nothing.
But save they didn't tax corporations.
That money goes to who?
The corporations.
What's the big deal if corporations pay for kids' college education?
Nothing.
We can afford it.
What's the big deal if corporations pay for your health insurance?
Nothing.
They can afford it.
What's the big deal?
You know what companies can do if they didn't pay taxes?
Saudi Aramco.
One of the biggest companies.
Two big deals.
Two and a half trillion dollar company in the world.
Yeah.
So I'll explain.
So with the expat thing, so Saudi Aramco.
So when I grew up there, this is from the 80s to the 90s, early 1000s.
So a company like Saudi Aramco, they basically have their own towns.
So everyone where I lived worked for the same company.
And they have like four or five of those dotted around.
So they're called camps, which I think was mentioned.
Well, that's like a good idea.
That's a scroll back to the Industrial Revolution.
Yeah.
So it's weird.
I mean, even me being in the UK, I mean, it was weird when I went to Houston and even parts of Miami, et cetera.
It's weird because it looks like this place looks more like Saudi than it looks like England.
Right?
So when I was in Houston, I was like, whoa, it looks like Saudi.
Because of the refineries and all that or because the company?
Just everything, the way everything is laid out.
Houston.
Yeah, it's expensive.
Although it's beautiful.
If you pull up Saudi Arabia and put up pictures, the buildings, the structures are beautiful.
How old were you when you left Saudi?
20.
20?
Did you have a girlfriend?
In the UK, yeah.
But in Saudi, did you have a girlfriend there?
Not in Saudi.
No, not in Saudi.
So I went to boarding school from 11.
So I was in boarding school and then in university from 11 to 20 in the UK.
So the first time you had a girlfriend, how old were you?
15.
15.
Yeah.
But that was in Saudi?
No, this was in England.
In boarding school.
In boarding school in England.
Yeah.
How much time?
So you were literally going back.
Back and forth between the two countries.
So you were going to boarding school?
Yeah, so during term time, I'm in England.
And then during the vacations, I'm back in Saudi Arabia.
How many months here are you in Saudi?
During that period?
Yeah.
How much vacation time is there?
I don't know.
Four or five months.
Four or five months.
A year you're in Saudi.
The rest of the time you're in boarding school in UK.
In England?
Yeah.
I believe it's called Hogwarts in the UK.
He's an oil.
They did film Harry Potter partially in my university, of course.
Is that right?
Yeah, in Oxford.
No way.
I think, what is it?
Christchurch College, I think.
You went to Oxford?
Yeah.
How was Oxford?
How was Oxford?
Oxford was cool, man.
It was cool.
Is it the Harvard of, you know, is it?
It's the best.
Yeah.
Sell us on Oxford.
Sell us on Oxford.
Well, it's the oldest university in the world, I believe.
I absolutely hate Ivy League elites, though.
But please go on.
That's all right.
I liked you up till now.
It's not Ivy League.
It's not Ivy League.
That's not a thing in the UK.
Yeah, I mean, Oxford and Cambridge are, you know, for decades have been the best, if not centuries, been two of the best universities in the entire world, certainly the top two in the UK.
I studied computer science, which was, I didn't love my subject.
I didn't love my subject.
But Oxford itself is a city.
Have you ever been to Oxford?
No.
The city is beautiful.
Absolutely beautiful city.
The architecture is mind-blowing, incredible.
How far is it from London?
Is it?
Only an hour and a half.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
90 miles or something like that.
Is it a party town with students because the school's there?
There's two universities.
So there's Oxford and then there's Oxford Brooks.
So it's quite a student-oriented place.
It's quite a student-oriented place.
But Oxford's a fantastic city.
It's one of my probably top five cities in the UK.
And I've been to all of them.
But yeah, it's a great place.
Obviously, hyper-academic, incredibly, surrounded by incredibly smart people all the time, which means you're always having great conversations.
And it's good.
You know, when you're surrounded by people who inspire you in some way, shape, or form, there's a lot of value in that.
And when you're somewhere with so much history and literally, I mean, I think my college in Oxford was built in the 1200s.
Wow.
Didn't C.S. Lewis go to Oxford?
Was C.S. Lewis, he went to Oxford or he taught at Oxford?
I'm not sure.
I'm not certain.
There's a movie about C.S. Lewis.
His story is, and I think he used to go.
Can you pull up C.S. Lewis' profile?
Is that the Rhodes Scholars?
Is that Oxford?
Yeah.
Yeah, Oxford has Rhodes Scholars, so you get it.
So Oxford is more like a Boston.
Yeah, he went to Oxford.
He's in the Cambridge.
Okay, he had academic.
Yeah, his story.
Have you seen his movie?
C.S. Lewis movie?
You ever seen his movie?
I haven't.
Oh, my gosh.
I highly recommend anybody watch it.
It's not a story of a, not those movies, the story, a life story movie.
There's a movie that, you know, who plays it?
Anthony Hopkins plays it.
There you go, Shadowlands.
If you've never seen this movie, it is absolutely fascinating how interesting of a human being this guy was.
From going and being an atheist to writing mere Christianity to divorce letters.
I think he wrote divorce letters, screw tape letters.
You know, maybe one of the greatest authors of all time on the stuff that he wrote.
And he would go to Oxford and they would debate to hear those debates that he would have with all these other scholars and professors and educators.
You know, the part about, was it a big debate type of school?
Were you guys always, was it a debate format?
Is that how you guys learned?
No, not like for typical learning, not for typical learning, but there's the Oxford Union, which you may have heard of, where they bring in speakers and they have, you know, there's debate societies and stuff like that.
Were you ever a part of it or no?
No, I was never personally a part of it.
I wasn't personally a part of it.
I can see you doing good at that.
Sincerely, I can see you actually doing good at the debate.
Did your philosophy, did your kind of libertarian philosophy originate there in Oxford?
Has that come later in life?
Because I'm wondering here between the Saudi upbringing, and it could be my misunderstanding of Saudi culture, and in Oxford, it would seem that your belief system, or at least as it's presented through social media, seems to kind of be in it doesn't converge with what your upbringing should be, right?
You seem to have come from a very controlled environment, and now you seem to promote a lot of personal freedom.
I didn't come from a super controlled environment, not in my household nor in, you know, so Saudi is interesting because, you know, something that's interesting to know is that, you know, what people call like the left-right political spectrum doesn't apply globally.
Well, it doesn't even apply anymore.
It's like a 18th century French.
Yeah, but if you talk to people in most of Europe or in the U.S., you know, it's always the left and the right and Democrats, Republicans.
We were talking about this earlier.
So like I said, somewhere like Saudi, it's ultra-conservative on certain things, sort of in the middle on certain things, and actually sort of, you know, very, it's a combination of all.
First of all, it's a monarchy, right?
So there are no political parties.
There's a kingdom of Saudi.
Yeah, there's no political parties.
What's the liberal part of Saudi Arabia?
This is what I mean, right?
There's no, there's no wings, right?
No, not even wings.
What are they liberal on?
Okay, so what I mean is, so, okay, look at the things some people in the U.S. What do U.S. progressives want?
They want free health care.
Saudi has that.
They want free schooling.
Saudi has that.
They even want some of them, the extreme, the far-lefties want free university.
Saudi has that.
Okay, gotcha.
What do libertarians want?
Libertarians want no taxes because taxation is theft.
Saudi has that, right?
Why are you living in the UK?
Why don't you go live there?
As far as I'm concerned, I've left the UK.
So you're now what?
I don't know.
I'm a global nomad.
International.
I'm a global nomad.
After the past year and a half, I was like, you know, I'm done with this.
Are you a globalist?
I'm not a globalist.
You're living anywhere and everywhere.
I don't know.
I'm in the U.S. for the next three months.
Beyond that, we shall see.
I mean, dude, I feel that this is what you and I always have our heated discussions about.
Dude, you don't know what it's like to have corrupt politicians steal your home from you.
They steal your home.
And then you have to then adjust.
Because if you don't adjust, then you're going to become a criminal.
And that's, you know, so they've literally, I'm sure you didn't want to leave your home, but they've made it an untenable situation.
Man, the UK is a, yeah, it's, I feel sad.
Like, I was going to end up leaving the UK anyway because my audience in the U.S. is much bigger, you know, more opportunities here, et cetera.
So, you know, I could well end up living in Florida, Texas, et cetera, once I get my visa.
But, you know, for me right now, unfortunately, I'm location independent with my business and everything I do.
So I'm not tied to any particular city or country, which is wonderful.
So, you know, as far as I'm concerned, I'm kind of flexible right now, but I'm very disillusioned with the UK now, which makes me sad because I do love the country.
Are you leaning towards anywhere or you're leaning towards where you want to live or not at all?
If it's in the U.S., probably Florida, Texas, or Tennessee.
Outside the U.S., I'm a big fan of Central and Eastern Europe.
I like Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania, places like that.
Thoughts on Norway, by the way.
Thoughts on Norway.
I've never been there.
Oh.
You got to go.
I haven't been to Norway myself.
Kailud.
Singapore.
Singapore.
I don't know.
I've heard that Singapore has been terrible throughout all this.
Singapore is another weird one because it's very authoritarian, but it's also very free market.
Yeah, it's weird.
It's another one I think sort of like.
You interviewed that lived in Singapore?
The crypto billionaire that bought people's everyday for $69 million.
What's his name, Kai?
And he swears by Singapore.
He swears by what it's like to live in Singapore.
So what do you consider home at this point?
Hotel room.
Any hotel room.
Any hotel room.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, look, in terms of where I'm from is always a weird question because I'm literally a British Nigerian who grew up in Saudi Arabia and went to an American school.
And does not have a British accent.
Sounds like American.
Yeah, exactly.
And has quite a lot of, you know, American values.
Like, I always get told, man, Zubi, you're more American than most Americans, right?
And my, you know, I'm, I don't like any political party, but I'm more of a Republican than I am a Tory, right?
Gotcha.
In terms of my actual views on stuff.
And that's pretty rare in the UK.
And I think that's from me not growing up there, living in Saudi Arabia.
So with me, you know, I mean, like, there's, there's one thing I've really learned.
You know, I've traveled to about 36 countries and had heavy exposure to all these different cultures we've mentioned.
And with me, one thing I've really learned is, you know, there's pros and cons to all different cultures and political systems and ways of doing things.
It's not just one thing I think a lot in the West is people kind of have this, okay, this is the one way of doing things.
This is how we do it.
And everything we do is the best way of doing it.
And I'm like, no, some things are, right?
There's lots of stuff.
Zubi, America's number one.
We're number one.
Yeah, well, people say that, but then they haven't often been anywhere else, right?
Well, Daniel Tosh did a thing.
He's like, people hate us because we keep saying we're number one.
The terrorists don't like it.
Just say we're top 10.
Top 10.
And they're like, yeah, yeah, they're top 10.
All right, that's fine.
PB, question for you.
You kind of have a similar story.
I mean, you've been all over the world.
You've traveled.
What do you consider home?
Listen, it's born in Iran made in America.
Oh, I've heard that.
Born in Iran made in America.
It's that simple for me.
I've been all over the world.
When you're in the military, you go everywhere.
When you're, you know, in Iran, you're coming up.
You live at a refugee camp, Germany, you see it up.
Travel to, I don't know, 50 countries, you know, with all the traveling we've done.
But nothing comes close to this.
Nothing comes close to this.
You just think America is your home.
If the ideas stay the same, nothing comes close to this.
If the ideas don't stay the same, listen, there's going to be a lot of competition going on out there where people can take market share away from America today.
If I was running another country, I would look at it right now and I would be targeting creators, innovators, those who want to be left alone.
I would be targeting them like you wouldn't even believe.
Because in America, what they could do is a state like California, you know, they can turn Texas into California.
You know how they say, don't California my Florida.
Don't California my Florida.
I can't believe your politics back in California.
But if you're in a different country, I can't just send 50,000 people on Greyhound to your place.
Unless that country is America.
Unless if that country is America.
But if I'm living in it, if I'm in another country right now and I'm the president or prime minister, you got a lot of opportunity today.
I would be thinking about getting those because today you can run a business from anywhere.
If you got an internet, you got Zoom, you can run it from anywhere.
I'd be recruiting people like him.
I'd be recruiting innovators like you would not believe non-stop today.
Nice.
But yeah, guys like that are out there.
I mean, a lot of people right now are similar to where Zubi's at when he's trying to think about where to live, where not to live.
Zubi's like a hot free agent.
Of my friends, one of my friends in Quebec yesterday just sold all, sold all of his stuff, and he's just like, I'm done with Canada.
I don't care what this stuff is.
And it said he's, you know, he's from there.
Quebec province specifically is insane right now.
There were people that weren't allowed in their backyards, and their neighbors were calling the Mounties on them for going in their backyards.
Australia, they got the army out now to enforce stay-at-home.
Let's go into some of these other stories that we got here.
Let's talk about journalists.
So, record number of journalists jailed worldwide.
This is Committee to Protect Journalists.
Its annual global survey, the Committee to Protect Journalists, found at least 274 journalists in jail in relation to their work on December 1st, 2020, exceeding the high of 272 in 2016.
China, which arrested several journalists for their coverage on the pandemic, was the world's worst jailer for second year in a row.
It was followed by Turkey, which continued to try journalists free on parole and arrest new ones.
Egypt, which went to great lengths.
You said Egypt, by the way, yesterday, to keep custody of journalists not convicted of any crime.
And then Saudi Arabia, which this story doesn't kind of help your story, Zubi, but there you go.
Saudi arrest journalists.
It's not perfect.
Countries where the number of jail journalists rose significantly include Belarus, where mass protests have ensured over the disputed re-election of the longtime president, and Ethiopia, where political unrest has degenerated into armed conflict.
Within the United States, no journalists were jailed at the time of CPJ prison census.
Exactly.
Wait, I can name two of them.
Julian Assad.
Edward Snowden immediately.
But an unprecedented 110 journalists were arrested or criminally charged in 2020 in Iran.
300 were assaulted, the majority by law enforcement, according to the U.S. Press Freedom Tracker.
So, journalists, is it a good time to be a journalist or is it a bad time to be a journalist or is it just where you live?
Dude, one, we need journalists.
We don't have journalists anymore.
We have political operatives that write for periodicals.
We need actual people that are fact-finders, that are intellectually curious, that are politically agnostic, or at least professional enough to keep their bias to their side and be objective in their reporting.
One of the biggest problems that we have right now in the country, and I imagine in the world, is we cannot operate on the same reality.
Depending on where you're getting your information, you have a completely different understanding of the reality that we are living in.
And it goes back to what you were talking about, the left versus the right.
I ascribe to something called the horseshoe theory.
I don't know if you can pull it up.
The horseshoe theory, okay?
It's not left and right.
It's the North and the South on the spectrum that matter more, the libertarian or the authoritarian.
If you're conservative of your ideas, that's fine as long as there's no authoritarianism behind it.
You don't force me into your conservative ideas, Sharia law, whatever, fascism.
All right.
If you're to the left and you believe in equality, equity, and egalitarian society, okay, great.
Present it.
And if it's a good idea, people will follow it.
If you force people into it, if you seize their property, communism, okay?
So the further left and right you go, the closer those ideologies are.
The further to the left you get away from the center, the further to the right you get away from the center, the closer they are.
Communists and Nazis are much closer to each other than people in the center of the spectrum.
People either to the right of center or to the left of center have more in common.
Okay.
So that's what I ascribe to.
And what we have now is we have people who are making it, they're justifying bad behavior.
If anybody's ever read Alexander Stoltzenichin, the Gulag Archipelago, he talks.
It's the most important.
You talk about a hero.
That book literally changed my life.
It's a very dense book.
That book changed my life because he talks about how quickly it changes.
And as soon as good men don't act, evil wins every single day.
And all that happens is it's, well, that journalist was, well, that journalist was a bad guy.
Well, he deserves it.
Or, well, you know, he shouldn't have written that.
He knew what the rules.
Why?
Why?
What is so wrong with this guy writing something that you don't want the world to hear?
Let the world hear it and let the ideas play out.
You're repressing these people.
It doesn't matter what your ideology is.
It could have been Christianity in the 1600s.
It could have been imperialism.
It could have been communism.
Whatever it is.
As soon as you become authoritarian in the nature, you are in the wrong.
It doesn't matter left or right.
The problem is that, well, firstly, some people would disagree with that last sentence, which is part of the problem, right?
Because some people are very authoritarian.
We've really seen that come to light in the past year and a half.
They really do.
They love authority.
Yeah.
And another big problem is that a lot of people just don't actually have solid principles, right?
And having principles means sometimes you have to defend people and ideas you don't like, or at least the ability for them to be out there and be presented, right?
So, you know, I think AOC has terrible ideas.
I think like, you know, I think a lot of ideas are terrible, but I would never want, you know, someone to be censored.
So like, okay, look at the response to, gosh, I mean, I think people still downplay how significant this is.
I mean, your sitting president got deplatformed from all of social media back in January.
It's insane.
Insane, right?
And people, how do people justify, I don't like, I don't like Trump, right?
People let their emotions and their feelings, because they're not principled, right?
A principled person, even if you despise Trump, you can be like, I despise Trump.
I think he's this, I think he's that.
But he should be, not just because he's the president, but, you know, we're a free country.
He should be allowed to express his ideas.
He didn't break the law.
He didn't, right?
So, you know, there's that.
But because people allow like their personal biases and their feelings towards things to determine who should be allowed to speak or what degree or whatever, that's always a problem.
Because then, you know, people have different ideas and ideologies and belief systems.
And as soon as you try to, like you said, when you try to force that on other people, that becomes the issue.
It's the same.
You know, people understand it, I think, quite well with religion.
Okay.
So, you know, I'm a Christian.
Some people are Muslim.
Some people are atheists, Jewish, et cetera.
There's lots and lots of different religions and belief systems.
And, you know, you can espouse your belief.
You can believe what you want, et cetera.
If I, you know, get on a horse and holding a Bible in one hand and a sword in the other and I start want to go on some crusade to start converting non-believers, I think people will be like, no, you can't do that.
If I want to strap myself with a suicide vest and start blowing people up, crashing planes into buildings, whatever, supposedly to spread, that's the problem, right?
That's the line.
So you can believe what you want, but if you're trying to force other people to believe what you believe based on force, that's the problem.
It doesn't matter if it's political, if it's religious, whatever.
About a year ago, when this whole thing's taking place, a year and a half ago, I went up and I said, okay, how are parents judged?
Parents are judged based on what?
Providing what?
A roof over your head, feeding you, taking care of you.
But they're also based on the behavior of your children, right?
Behavior of your children, how your kids react in school.
Okay, great.
How is a coach for a basketball team or football team judged?
Whether they win or lose.
Whether you win or lose, you know, playoffs, performance, getting better, all of that.
Okay.
How is a coach of a college football team judge?
How you, the parents wanting you to recruit all that stuff, right?
How is a president judge?
How is a CEO of a company judge?
How is a salesperson judged?
Every one of us is judged.
This podcast is judged based on what?
If we lose viewers, what they're saying is, we don't like your topic.
I'm going to another one.
Screw you.
Great.
We're judged non-stop as you run a podcast.
Value tame is judged.
If we don't do well, we don't grow.
If the topic's not good, you do a podcast.
If you don't give viewers, they don't like it.
You did great.
You do video, gets 4 million views on Twitter.
Guess what?
The audience saying, hey, Zubi, do more of these things.
We want to hear from you, right?
We're constantly judged.
However, how are journalists judged?
So I found this article, and this article is Society of Professional Journalists, okay?
How they're judged is based on four things.
Seek truth and report it.
Go to the next one.
Minimize harm.
Okay.
Act independently.
Be accountable and transparent.
That is the code of journalism.
Go up.
Let me read a few of them.
Go all the way up.
Go all the way up, Kai.
And let me read some of these things here.
So let's look at the first one here.
Seek truth and report on it.
Journalists should take responsibility for the accuracy of their work, verify information before releasing it.
Okay, that would have already eliminated 80% of dossier stories.
We have an insider that's telling us what is the word they use?
Unnamed sources.
Unnamed sources that told us it's a.
Use original sources whenever possible.
Remember that neither speed nor format excuses inaccuracy.
Provide context.
Take special care not to misrepresent or oversimplify in promoting, previewing, or summarizing a story.
Gather, update, and correct information throughout the life of a new story.
Gather, update, and correct, right?
Be cautious when making promises, but keep the promises they make.
So far, so far, is anybody doing left, right, or middle?
Is anybody doing this right now?
Every single value tainer needs to take this.
Let me continue.
We're going to put the link for everybody to see this here.
Okay, so next, identify source clearly.
The public is entitled to as much information as possible to judge the reliability and motivations of sources.
Next, consider sources' motives before promising anonymity.
Reserve anonymity for sources who may face danger, retribution, or other harm.
Fine.
Diligently seek subjects of news coverage to allow them to correspond to criticism or allegations of wrongdoing.
Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information unless traditional open methods will not yield information valuable to the public.
And you see how this is going, right?
Okay, go to the next one.
Let me read the next one here.
Avoid stereotyping.
Go a little bit higher.
Avoid stereotyping.
Journalists should examine the ways their value experiences may shift.
Never plagiarize, always attribute.
Okay, so that's that part.
Minimize harm.
No, no, go up.
Go up, go up.
This is the most important one.
Label advocacy and commentary.
Label advocacy and commentary.
What does that mean to you?
That means stop presenting your opinion as facts.
Facts.
Okay, minimize harm.
Balance the public's need for information against potential harm or discomfort.
Pursuit of the news is not a license for arrogance or undue intrusiveness.
So 80% of them are fired.
Okay, Ari, 80% of them are fired.
Okay.
Show compassion for those who may be affected by news coverage.
Okay.
Use heightened sensitivity when dealing with juveniles, victims of sex crimes, and source of subjects who are inexperienced or unable to give consent.
Fine.
Recognize that legal access to information differs from an ethical justification to publish a broadcast.
Avoid pandering to lure it curiosity, even if others do it.
You realize none of this stuff, this is what they're held accountable to and how they're judged.
I immediately go to the kid wearing the MAGA hat who got painted as destroyed.
Keep going up.
Act independently.
Kai, go up.
Act independently.
Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
Disclose unavoidable conflicts.
Refuse gifts, favors, fees, free travel, and special treatment.
Be wary of sources offering information for favors or money.
Deny favor treatment to advertisers.
Okay, that definitely does.
Well, that goes into your next story about the CCP and news.
Yeah, let me continue here on the last one, and we'll go into that story.
Explain ethical choices and process to audiences.
Respond quickly to questions about accuracy, clarity, and fairness.
Acknowledge mistakes and correct them promptly.
Expose unethical conduct and journalism, including within their organization.
Abide by the same high standards they expect of others.
By the way, that's journalism, okay?
From 1926.
Lots changed in 95 years.
Years later.
Lots changed in 95 years.
So when you go and talk about journalists, maybe some of this stuff, by the way, on some of the countries you're talking about, like China, you know, Turkey, you know, Saudi Arabia, or some of the countries that they're talking about, look, that's silencing is what they're trying to do.
When you go and talk about the government, you cannot do that.
In America, you get a raise if you do that, right?
If you call on out the government.
However, that's journalism.
Now, let's go to the next one here.
Story.
Chinese mouthpiece paid in the U.S. newspaper $19 million in ads, printing report.
This is page five if you want to go to it.
I've been very quiet lately, but we're going to be okay.
I just want you to know.
Don't stress out too much.
So this is the first time.
Can I just say one thing?
There's certain subjects where people can't wait to speak.
This is one of those subjects where you've got two ears and one mouth for a reason.
And I'm actually learning.
You had some amazing points.
You had some amazing points.
You just went through all this.
And I'm learning here.
This is something that I think the entire audience is learning right now because, I mean, this is one thing we always talk about.
There's no, like, who's one journalist that we can point at and say, wow, that's the guy back in the day was Walter Cronkite.
Who is today, though?
I don't know.
Maybe it's Joe Rogan.
Maybe it's Joe Rogan.
Glenn Greenwood.
That's how you be.
You're a fan of my guy.
What do you think about Brett Baer?
Great bench press.
That's it.
I like Brett Baer.
I like Brett Baer.
I don't know that.
I'm a huge fan of Farid Zakaria.
We know that.
And I'll say one thing about Freed Zakaria.
He's on CNN, so everyone, you know, in the chatter box.
He's an amazing journalist.
He's Indian-born, American-made.
I'm sure you can respect that.
He did something the other day on his show that I was like, whoa.
He did his show and he goes, hey, my last point, I actually said something last week that was wrong, and I'm here to correct it today.
And this is the point.
And it wasn't even a major point.
But he came out and I was like, oh, okay.
Thanks.
But I think more journalists need to do that.
Brian Stelter.
No, Jimmy.
Do you know a big problem is that the word when people think so journalists and pundits are different things.
Yep.
But they've been merged.
Don Lemon is a pundit.
Tucker Carlson is a pundit.
Sean Hanno, yeah, they're pundits.
Rachel Maddo, pundits.
But they're conflated with journalists.
To me, a journalist is someone who gives the news, like reads the news, and it's actually a fairly unbiased thing.
Yeah, as long as what they're reading is objective, there's not much room to, you know, they don't even really get space to give their opinion.
Maybe they could do it in their tone or whatever.
But I think that when people think journalists, we go to these famous faces who really are pundits more.
Yeah, they're sort of journalists to a degree.
Well, none of those guys would have matched those scores, by the way.
Every movie you know, but they're not trying to.
Why can't they put on the bottom of the screen this is an opinion show?
Well, they're not.
Why can't they?
Well, they kind of do.
So they don't present it as news.
They present it as editorial.
So what do you mean present it?
It doesn't say that on the TV.
In the description.
You turn on your TV and it's boom, the news guy.
News lady.
All right, I'm watching the news.
ESPN.
That came out a year and a half ago and says that we're no longer committed to sports.
We're committed to editorializing sports.
Stephen A. Smooth.
They don't play highlights anymore.
There's nothing light.
I haven't watched MTV or ESPN in it's gotta be.
I've watched, honestly, and this is all I ever watched growing up was MTV, ESPN.
MTV, ESPN.
Just go back and forth between those two things.
Hours and hours and hours every day.
I'd go from singled out to sports center to whatever TRL Live to Outside the Lines with, I would just go back and forth.
Those two channels, that was it.
I've watched maybe 15 minutes total of the two channels in the last two, three years.
And it's because they're no longer commit.
They are the story.
And their narrative is first.
It's no longer about watching the home runs or the dunks.
It's about, well, what does this dunk mean for society?
And it's like, I don't care.
I don't care what you have to say.
I think it's worth saying this problem exists in the UK, but it's worse in the U.S.
It's really, really polarized here.
Like the media, it's very much, you know.
Have you fully recognized that since being here for the last month or so?
I mean, I've seen it for you many years.
I mean, I remember, you know, as a kid, growing up in Saudi, I mean, we did get CNN out there and Fox News, et cetera.
And I remember growing up, everyone always knew that Fox News was like right-leaning, but CNN was certainly deemed.
It's supposed to be the center.
Yeah, yeah.
And it did used to be.
Same thing with the New York Times.
Yeah, it was the paper of record.
Yeah, it did used to be much more so.
Whereas now, especially, I haven't owned a TV for 12 years.
So when I do watch the news, it really strikes me how propagandistic it is, right?
So I turn it on and I'm just like, whoa, like this is just straight down this side, especially when Trump was in office.
Oh, my gosh.
It was literally like straight down this way.
Well, what was his famous line about the media?
The media.
The media is the enemy of the people.
Do you think the media took that way?
That was a bar.
That was a bar.
Who cares?
Was he wrong?
He was right.
He was right.
I mean, the way they're dividing people in the past year and a half.
It depends on what team you're on.
Past year and a half, you know, half the population thinks that, you know, there's like a mild flu slash cold that's going around the world, which is like, you know, like very minimal risk.
Other people think that we're in the middle of a black plague, Armageddon, and, you know, a state like Florida.
Oh, my gosh, you know, what are they calling your governor?
Death Santis.
Like, oh my gosh, Florida is like, they're going to kill all the people.
I mean, I'm here.
I'm like, those are all the good people, by the way.
We're the bad people.
Those are the people who are.
But people are really living in.
People are living in absolutely different realities.
And that creates, and that was created by the media all around the world.
Intentionally.
Yeah, intentionally.
Which is where when I'm like, man, the media is the enemy of the people, especially when people are now fighting each other.
And, you know, literally people are advocating for segregation now.
Well, that's my question.
In the U.K., are the politics identity politics as well there?
There are political divisions based on your immutable characteristics?
They've imported it somewhat from the U.S.
So the U.K. has a bad habit of taking the U.S.'s worst, the worst aspects of the U.S. Like I love the USA.
It's one of my favorite countries in the world.
But there are a couple things here which I think are really, really toxic socio-politically and culturally.
And one of those things is identity politics in its various forms.
Like in the U.S., people are too obsessed with race.
Way too obsessed with race.
I understand it somewhat from the history.
I mean, you guys use the terms Asian American, black American, African American, white American.
In England, we say British.
British.
Like, if someone said I'm black, British, or African-British, they'd be like, why'd you say that?
Like, why using that term, right?
But here, like, race is like a- We're big on labeling.
Yeah, the labeling, it runs through everything.
It runs through the media.
And people don't realize it because it's like the default here, right?
But when you're looking at it as an outsider, I'm like, why are you that?
Why is there always black?
I don't think it always was the default.
I think it points specifically to Carter and affirmative action because be your when Carter did affirmative action, this is just before Pat came here, right?
So it became beneficial to label yourself.
There became an actual profit incentive to be labeled.
I think it goes way back.
It goes way before that.
I mean, the U.S. has a specific history in regards to race, right?
And so these designations, white, black, et cetera.
Yeah, but you, but U.K. didn't have like, you know, slavery, et cetera, and segregation the way Jim Crow, all that, the UK didn't have all that.
And also the U.S. is much more racially and ethnically diverse.
And so I understand where it comes from.
It's just that I'm like, yo, it's 2021.
Like, why are people still really locked into that?
I don't think that's going to go away.
It's a formula to divide, and it's working very effectively.
But you know, even you talking about CNN earlier, somebody commented about Ted Turner.
If you've ever read Ted Turner's book, Call Me Ted, I don't know if you guys have read it or not.
The ending of the book is fascinating, where he's interviewing one of the current folks at CNN, and he says, I'm so disappointed what you guys have done to CNN.
This is now why I started CNN.
Ted Turner said that?
Ted Turner said that.
He says, I don't start CNN to be like this.
When did he say that?
This is a book he wrote years ago.
This is not a recent book.
Call Me Ted.
I highly recommend everybody go buy his book, Call Me Ted.
It is fascinating what this man did with his life and how he went from who he was to who he married to the personal life, you know, alcohol.
He talks openly about everything.
There is nothing he holds back.
He tells himself, I'm a great father.
I'm a terrible husband.
Like the stuff he goes through with the book, it's a book you won't be able to put down.
But at the end, he calls out CNN and says, I am so disappointed with what CNN turned into at the end of the book.
Highly recommend people seeing it.
Anyways, let me go into the story here with what happened.
Chinese mouthpiece paid U.S. newspapers $90 million in ads, printing report.
This is a business standard story.
One of China's main propaganda outlets, China Daily, an English language newspaper controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, has paid more than $4.6 million to the Washington Post, $6 million to Wall Street Journal since 2016.
The U.S. Justice Department documents showed.
Let me say this one more time.
$4.6 million to Washington Post, $6 million to Wall Street Journal.
As per the Justice Department reports, China Daily also paid for advertisers and several other newspapers, including New York Times, Foreign Policy, Des Moines Register, CQ Roll Call.
It spent a total of $11 million on advertising in newspapers and another $265 on advertising with Twitter.
The LA Times, Seattle Times, Atlanta Journal, Constitution, the Chicago Tribune, the Houston Chronicle, the Boston Globe are all listed as clients of China Daily.
The China outlet paid LA Times $650,000 for printing services.
So, question.
All of this stuff we just talked about, right?
All of this stuff we just talked about, they're taking money from a company that's controlled.
Let me say this one more time.
China Daily is an English language newspaper controlled by the Chinese Communist Party.
So, I got a story with this.
Adam, you would remember this.
Kai, you'll definitely remember this.
We're doing an event.
I don't know where this event was.
It may have been SLS.
I think it was SLS.
So, while I'm doing the event, I get an email from this major PR firm in New York.
We want to have a call with you.
So, we go and have a call with them in New York.
We're a PR firm, but 100% of the clients they represent is from China.
Circuit Chris, I go look them up.
I'm like, wow, it's a pretty big PR firm, but it's all China-based companies.
So I said, there's this nonprofit organization in China.
I have this an email.
Kai, do you remember this?
Nonprofit organization in China wants to give me $600,000, of which I keep $300,000 of it.
The other $300,000 at an event, charity event in China, I give the $300,000 and I donate it to that nonprofit organization.
Donate it.
That I donate.
So let me say this one more time.
$600K, I keep the $300,000.
The other $300, I donate.
So we do a Zoom with them.
We do a call with them.
The most awkward call and the way the man spoke was very strange.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You just come.
We fly you.
We take care of you.
We come over here.
And then we like what the work you do.
We just want to give you $600,000.
And you make a big check and you give us $300,000 to our charity.
But you can keep the other $300,000.
And it's going to be a great experience if you come out here and do this.
I'm like, huh, interesting.
I call my attorney.
He says, first of all, you take this money.
If it even should, because it's like a speaking gig.
He says, if you even take this money, if you ever have any plans of doing anything later on, they're always going to say, you know, owned by China, right?
But you have to give them credit on how brilliant they are.
Yes.
Because they're willing to buy influence.
And how many people would say yes to that $600,000 check?
A lot of people, that's a lot of money.
You keep $300,000 of it.
You come out here and you do this.
So then the question becomes: what is wrong with a company taking money from a China daily that's owned by a Chinese Communist Party?
Is there anything wrong with that?
That's number one.
Number two, if there is something wrong with that, why are they saying yes to it?
Is it just because about profits?
This is what's wrong with it.
What's wrong with it is that they presented their advertising as if it were native articles.
It's not just that they took the advertising.
Advertising's fine.
All right.
Newsmax wants to do my pillow.
My pillow guy wants to throw up QAnon stuff.
Go for it.
Whatever.
Fine.
But don't present it as news, which is what the New York Times, the Washington Post, and everybody else did.
They took the money and then they took these articles that were very clearly written by Chinese propagandists and they presented them as if they were news.
That's what was wrong.
In addition, that's the money we know about.
What I'm more concerned about than these bought and paid for corrupt news media organizations are the universities.
The universities have been taking so much money from China for so long and funneling communist propaganda, actual literal communist propaganda into the youth.
And it's working.
And it's working.
They are buying the future.
They set up Confucian schools at a lot of these.
We are losing a war most people are unaware is going on.
I quoted that.
I literally said that yesterday to someone.
That's the problem.
And unless people recognize it and develop a strategy to counteract it.
Dude, Hollywood in the entertainment industry and the sports industry.
This is the NBA.
Remember that John Cena thing where he came out?
Yeah, I apologize and they were so sorry.
I started crying.
What were your thoughts on that?
But there was a podcast I called Seeing a China's Bitch.
By the way, there's certain things that we should be on the same page with.
There's certain things we should be on the same page with, this being one of them.
It's a common enemy.
They don't care about America.
They don't care about the Democratic Party.
They don't care about the Republican Party.
But the people that they like are those who are for sale.
Look at presidents who couldn't be bought.
Look at presidents who could care less whether you were going to buy them with money or not.
Name presidents historically that couldn't be controlled by money.
Name presidents that could.
Trump's one of them.
Who else?
JFK.
JFK's another one.
Who else?
Oh, Teddy Roosevelt, White Eyes.
Who else?
Not many in the last.
Reagan.
Wait a minute.
Reagan had money.
Who else?
Okay.
Abraham Lincoln.
You think Lincoln cared about money?
No.
What happened to those four?
Go Lincoln.
What happened to him?
Literal or character assassination.
Yeah.
What happened to John F. Kennedy?
What happened to Reagan six inches away?
What happened to Trump?
They couldn't, if they did what they did to JFK with Trump, Trump would have been martyred.
Trump would have gone down as the greatest.
It would have been the Republican.
He would have replaced Reagan if that would have happened.
Are you shocked that there wasn't at least an attempt on Trump?
I got to be honest, I was shocked.
How do we know there weren't?
Yeah.
I think to me, I think to me, what's worse though?
What's worse still?
What's worse still?
There are many methods of assassination.
What's worse than that?
Characteristics.
This color revolution.
There's nothing worse than character assassination.
I mean, you saw the article that came up with Vanity Fair, how Rudy Giuliani went from a 9-11 hallowed mayor to 2021 haunted ghoul.
If you read that story about Rudy Giuliani, the way they present him, this guy went from winning the G-Man Award a few years ago from FBI in 2015 to all of a sudden to him two or so.
Page seven, Pat.
Yeah, no, I see it.
I'm just not, the whole story is a long story for me to go through with Giuliani.
It's just a lot of people.
Would you do business with China right now?
If China wanted to open, you wouldn't.
So if they said, we're going to come in, we're going to make PHP the.
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't do it.
You know why I wouldn't do it?
Why would I ever do something like that?
I'm not a fan of control.
So, what leverage do I have over you?
Let's just say I do that.
What leverage do I have over you?
What leverage?
The other day, I'm trying to pick up my global entry card from TSA.
You know how Clear talks to me?
The difference between buying a clear card and TSA.
You ready?
Clear.
How are you, Mr. Red?
David, good to see you.
Have you resigned?
We'd love to get your family on the program as well.
Oh, it's totally fine.
Would you like a mask?
Oh, we'd be more than happy to help you out.
You know how TSA?
I show up.
Caroline calls us, this woman just hung up on me.
Okay?
I'm driving down to TSA to get my global entry card.
Why are you late?
Why are you so late?
What happened?
Do you realize?
I said, ma'am, there's nobody here, but I'm sorry I'm late.
I said, ma'am, I'm looking forward to seeing you in five years when I renew.
I will not be here intentionally to not ever deal with somebody like you who is late.
I said, I'm so sorry.
So I left.
$100?
$100.
Government doesn't give you service.
You think I want to go in bed with somebody that represents the government?
What are they going to do?
They're on my team?
Hell no.
What team are they going to be on?
So I'm surprised where a lot of these U.S. companies want to do business with China thinking they're going to be on your team.
They're not going to be on the team.
They may possibly choose China over the U.S. Put yourself.
Pat now, established, has money.
Money's not an issue.
Pat 10 years ago, just starting out scraping by.
Yeah, I don't.
Maybe you, not saying you, but that person.
I don't disagree.
Maybe considering more than this.
I don't disagree.
This is why.
This is why I am concerned if a person who becomes president doesn't have their own money, nor have they served in the military.
I have a hard time with that.
I think a president should have their own money because you don't make any desperate moves and you should have served in the military.
Those are my two criterias for me.
I think, because who the hell are you to tell a military guy what to do?
Do you realize how disrespectful it is to tell him you don't even know what life they're living and you want to tell them what to do?
A soldier's going to sit there and say, what the hell are you talking about?
What are you talking about?
Like, you want to tell me what my life is like?
Like, imagine if I tell you what it is to be a comedian.
You guys are going to sit there and say, what are you talking about?
You don't know what it is to be a comedian.
I've never been in that room when comics are talking to.
It's like me talking, what's the big deal about stealing jokes?
You're like, what the hell is the matter with you?
So to me, you want to be a president.
Governor, whatever.
Congress, Senate, go for it.
You want to be president?
You have to have your own money, established, your own money.
And number two, you have to have served the military.
Well, look at Trump.
He had his own money, but he didn't serve in the military.
I'm just asking.
Yeah, and he's getting there telling generals what to do.
I'm sorry.
There's a difference.
If you don't have it, you can't talk to them as if you know their world.
Do you know the only president to have a family member serve in the military in the last 50 years?
Bush.
No.
Family?
Relative?
A kid, like a kid, one of their kids, is Biden.
No, no, no.
I'm talking about them.
Them.
No, I know.
I get it.
I'm saying that.
But you're saying you have no authority to tell a general Trump.
You do not.
Let me tell you, military is a very emotional.
These guys are talking about mental health and all this stuff.
By the way, in the military, like Simone Bowes can take a break and go become a hero for mental health and what she did.
She has a choice to do that, of course.
You can't do that in war.
You cannot do that when you're under that pressure.
You cannot do that when you're firing lines.
You don't have the luxury to say, hey, guys, please stop shooting.
Guys, please.
I have a headache.
I'm getting an attack.
Anxiety attacks.
Total depression.
Let's please stop.
I'm going to take a break.
This is too much for me.
Please, I'm asking you, stop shooting.
Okay, I'm going to get up.
It's like, you know how you do a paint gun and guy gets up and walks out.
guys, guys, guys, you know, so, so for a person to act like they understand the military or for a person who doesn't have money.
That's a great point.
For a person who doesn't have money to be a president, you scare me.
Let me give you a different perspective.
One of the things when we hire C-suite executives, you know what I like to hear from C-suite executives?
I'll tell you one of the guys who expected a job, here's how he recruited himself.
Look at the way he did it.
I loved his interview.
One of my favorites, the way he did it.
He says, I just want you to know I have a lot of different options right now for jobs because I'm very good at what I do.
And you can call my references of the last 20 years and you will see what they say.
I work half days.
These are the kind of hours I work.
I'm going to be here at this time.
I'm going to be here at this time.
And my schedule works this way.
But I want you to know I've had a lot of different exits.
So financially, I don't need salary.
I don't care what you pay me salary-wise.
You need to pay me a decent salary for what the market tells me, but I don't want to be the highest paid salary, guys.
My interest is in equity.
I want you to give me equity and give me a lot of equity because that's what I want to build.
I want to help build a company because I've already had multiple seven-figure exits.
I have cash.
I have money.
I don't need to worry about what I need to do to take care of my family for the rest of my life.
But I'm only here because the equity.
Do you know I want him in leadership position because he will never make a desperate move, nor will he ever give me feedback because he's worried about finances.
Now, flip it.
I had another guy that came for a job interview a few years ago.
I'm doing the interview with him.
This is one of the reasons why I was scared about the haircut I was getting yesterday.
This is another interview I'm doing for a job.
This guy's also applying for a C-suite job, but this is five years ago, six years ago.
So he comes in and the interview goes, resume, decorated, decorated resume.
And he goes through it.
I want to be the CMO and I want to do this.
I'm going to say, no problem.
Let's go through the interview.
So all of a sudden in the midterm, okay, first 10 minutes, impressive.
Second 10 minutes, impressive.
Third, 10 minutes, he just says, man, I got to let you know what's been happening with me.
This is my second divorce and I just went through this and I have to pay this much money and I'm back on the rent.
If you can just pay in advance of $20,000 for me to be able to do this and for me to be able to do that while I'm moving this, if you can throw another $10,000 in a minute, it'll be so amazing because of where I'm at.
You know what I sat there and I thought about?
I'm like, ooh, I got to be careful with this.
Why this?
Because you, by the way, there's difference.
All of us have been in a desperate position before, but not when, this is not even a talent thing.
I don't worry about talent.
This is an executive position.
And this is very different with talent.
Talent is a different story.
An executive position where you have to lead people, you can't be stressed out about money.
So I want to make sure household is good.
I want to make sure finances are good.
I want to make sure you've had the moral authority to tell other people what to do.
So you want to be a president?
I would put, if I was, now, obviously, I'm not the one that's making the guidelines here.
For me, if you want to be a president, I think you got to have a net worth of, you got to have your wife, your kids covered, your future retirement covered.
If you got minimum $10 million, $20 million, okay, great.
That's fine.
But if you're in and you're only worth a couple hundred thousand dollars, you're going to do side deals for money because you've never tasted money before.
You've never tasted money before.
Pat, what if you've made these $10, $20 million in politics?
No, I don't like that.
I don't like that because to me, again, Kai, so to me, there's two things that you will never relate to.
Two things that you will never relate to.
So for example, let's put the one thing that men will never understand.
What is the one thing?
Having a baby.
We will never understand what it is to have a baby.
Ever.
I've seen my wife, what she goes through with the baby.
We are never going to understand that pain, okay, that they go through.
Now, so let's set that aside.
That's on the pinnacle position for me at the top.
So let's set that part aside.
We're never going to know.
No matter what we ever do, you're never going to know.
So now let's go to the other side.
A woman who was a woman worth a half a billion, she said, hey, man, can I tell you guys something?
The closest thing you'll ever know about what it is to raise a baby and have a baby is to start a company and you're the founder.
Only founders will know the closest thing to the pain we go through having a baby.
Okay.
If a politician has never ran a business where he put his money on the line, how the hell do you know what it is to be a small business owner?
You don't know what it is to be a small business.
You don't even know how scary it is.
You don't know what it is to be a tax.
way when I was going through anxiety attacks in 2013 2014 I couldn't tell the bank to stop asking for payments I couldn't tell my guy that I'm released a two million dollar contract on the office building to give me six months to pay rent I couldn't tell the guys hey please guys don't put this I couldn't tell my competitors stop trying to porch some of our guys I couldn't tell my carriers hey please be a little bit nicer to us right now because I'm going through mental and anxiety I couldn't tell anybody anything Founders don't have that ability.
Should you be able to?
Should you be able to call timeout?
No, you it's like the war analogy.
It's not about should yes, you should be able to, but should your competitors stop taking business from you?
No.
You should be able to do it.
But you should also realize that you're going to lose if you do that.
Yes, no one's going to stop competing.
The market's not going to stop competing in this kind of a society.
So you have a little bit of a hard time when somebody becomes a president who, one, hasn't made the money and two, you've never served.
What moral authority does it give you to tell us what to do?
Interesting.
I think on the first point, I mean, going wider on that is human beings respond to incentives, right?
If you really understand just how the effect of incentives on people, it explains so much behavior and so much stuff.
And going back to what you were talking about before with China, it's like China can run this Cold War game, et cetera.
China's been waging war without firing any bullets or dropping any bombs because they understand incentives.
So when they've got their tentacles in Hollywood, in the NBA, in sports, in Africa, they're buying up all this land and funding certain things, et cetera.
They're not coming in with, you know, it's not like threats and violence.
It's not that old school.
We're going to just come in here with our guns and take stuff over.
It's no, we've got a hand in every single aspect.
We're in your political system, your entertainment, your sports, everything.
So, I mean, even this past year and a half, I mean, dude, you got people fighting each other over this virus, over masks, vaccines, whatever.
What's the one thing that people can't talk about?
Where did this thing come from?
Yeah.
Right?
Unless if your name is Jon Stewart.
Yeah, people were more mad about...
Have you seen him on TV after he said that, though?
What?
No, no, no.
You haven't seen him.
People were more mad.
People get more mad about you saying the term Chinese virus or kung flu than they get mad about the fact that China either leaked or unleashed this thing out to the world, lied about it, covered it up for, et cetera.
Dude, China's been back to normal for since like about May last year.
They won.
How?
How?
1.4 billion people, epicenter of the rise.
Like they were distributing vaccines spring last year.
Which vaccine?
How?
If we had a real media and real journalist that are operating independently, won't they be asking?
There are so many questions here.
And I'm just like, wait, we're arguing about all this stuff.
I'm like, can we go up a level and be like, wait, what happened?
They're allegedly the only country that had a positive GDP.
Here's the big elephant in the room.
4,000 deaths?
Like...
Wait.
The big elephant in the room that people aren't willing to talk about, China understands our psyche better than we do.
And they understand, look, I'll just be real.
White women in particular, they love authority, bro.
They take to authoritarianism.
These Karens took to authoritarianism like ducks to water.
They found their vein.
They found their person.
They were like, that's my target demographic.
They found them and they exploited the heck out of it.
And what they understood, probably, they understand capitalism better than we do.
What is the number one advertising demographic?
18 and 39 females.
18 and 30.
So if you own the hearts and minds of those women, you own every company trying to sell them everything.
That's some deep shit.
So China, the CCP is like, we're going after Karen.
Bingo.
And they're open about this, man.
They have what?
They call it the 100-year plan.
Yeah.
Right?
Like, It's not even like we're coming up with conspiracy theories or something.
It's like they're open.
They're like, look, this is what we're doing in X amount of time.
We're going to, you know, have this.
We're going to do this.
We're going to do that.
And I look forward to a day when conspiracy theorist start being wrong again.
I know.
Conspiracy theorists are just spoiler alert us now.
You guys are going to be find this out in six months.
But yeah, this is what's actually happening.
Some really good points, boys.
I got to get you respect.
All right.
All good, guys.
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Thank you.
Fantastic.
Real quick before we go, Pat, you got to tell them what this suit is.
A three-day suit broker, $99.
You can get it.
But it is what it is.
It's been a great time.
So, just so everybody knows, here's some good and bad news for you.
The good news is the future looks bright.
Everything's going to work out.
The bad news is we will not be doing podcasts for, I think, two weeks.
I'm going to be out next week and I'm going to be out the following week.
We changed this thing for Friday to get Zuby on here.
We typically do these on Thursday, but within the next four weeks, we will be back on.
This doesn't mean you're doing a podcast today, Saskatchewan.
Yes, we'll be back on today.
We'll have things that are going on.
Well, you'll hear about a project I think we're announcing possibly next Tuesday that's going to be massive.
Next Tuesday, we'll be announcing.
But outside of that, we'll come back again with the podcast.
Stay tuned.
But if you're four weeks away, oh, by the way, should I announce the speaker?
Go ahead, Pat.
I'm about to announce the speaker.
He is, he is, don't say anything.
Don't even speculate.
I'm about to say he is a number one ranked current UFC fighter, which we'll announce.
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