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Sept. 18, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live
53:48
Security Cameras, Timestamps, The Bullet, More Questions On Kirk Assasination
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Good morning, everybody.
It is the morning of Thursday, September 18th, 2025.
Owen Schroyer here with you, and I was actually supposed to be starting this stream.
It's just past 10 a.m. Central here, and I was actually supposed to be starting the stream at 10 a.m. with Kyle, or excuse me, with Ryan Matta, getting my lines crossed here.
Ryan Matta and I were supposed to be discussing, debating even where we think the shot came from.
And he believes it did come from the front, where I believe it came from the back and to Charlie's right.
Now, I already explained all my reasoning why I believe that.
And I was going to have Ryan come on here and explain his reasoning, why he believes it came from the front, and he believes it hit a vest and then hit Charlie's neck.
Now, I haven't heard from Ryan since late last night.
This is a man who's usually, he usually is very good on communication, like usually gets back to you within minutes, if not seconds.
And I haven't heard from him this morning.
I know he was up late last night doing a bunch of research for this, but I haven't heard from him this morning.
So I hope he's okay.
But I told you I was going to go live on this at 10 a.m.
And so I just decided to come on here.
And hopefully Ryan will be joining us soon.
I'm just monitoring my phone here to see if he's received these messages.
But you know what?
Maybe it's okay that we start this without him because, you know, I kind of crossed a barrier last night with this.
And I think there were a couple of factors.
One factor was watching Frank, Charlie's friend, who was there with him, who was right there to his right.
He was on FaceTime speaking with his family when it happened.
He was holding his phone.
So he doesn't have any of the recordings, but he was there with his family holding his phone when the thing, when the whole thing went down.
And he was in the SUV with Charlie.
Went to the hospital with Charlie.
And really kind of, to me, it was obviously a very painful thing for him.
But to me, it was so important.
And I wish others would just tell their story because I think it would ease a lot of tensions.
It would bring a lot of people together.
And we can kind of pick up the pieces of what remains together to try to answer these questions.
So I saw that powerful testimony, that emotional testimony, and it kind of just gave me some pause.
Not that I don't still have questions, and I don't think that there's still a cover-up, but, you know, maybe it is time to just kind of hit pause.
Maybe it is time to just kind of hit pause.
But then you say, what happens?
Can you start it back up if you don't?
Because the big questions still remain.
And even from Frank's testimony in his video, he says it sounds like the shot was close.
Now, you know, last night, I spent a bunch of time going into different gun expert channels, ballistic expert channels, and then top military types, Blackwater, Marines, SEALs, snipers, all of it.
And while everybody has different opinions on what went down, everybody seems to believe, everybody's reached the conclusion that we're not getting the full story, that we're not getting the full story and we're being lied to.
And so I go, I do this all last night, and I'm kind of overwhelmed.
And I'm like, man, you know, this stuff is so heavy.
But more so than that, it's just, it's so weird.
It's so weird.
I did see Blake Bednar's video.
I did.
I'm telling you, folks, I guess I can't say I've seen it all because I'm sure there's stuff I haven't seen.
But man, I've seen it all.
I mean, I've seen it all.
Yes, I did see Netanyahu this morning using Charlie to advance his political agenda.
It's disgusting.
It's despicable.
He's been doing it for a week now.
Netanyahu has been doing it.
And then they point the finger at you and they say, why did you make this about Israel?
Nobody, you made this about Israel.
Go check the timeline, folks.
The first 24 hours, everybody was saying this is left-wing terror.
This is another Democrat shooter.
This is another Democrat murderer, another Democrat killer, another liberal terrorist.
And then Netanyahu came out and made it about Israel.
And then people were like, what the heck is this?
That's how it went down.
But regardless, it's the whole thing is so weird, folks.
Nothing about this really seems to make sense because even if you want to go, even if you want to go with the official narrative that it was a lone gunman, there's still so many holes and so many questions in that official narrative, which even if that's true, what they're giving us doesn't make sense, period.
It doesn't make sense.
And, you know, Ryan and I were going to debate why he thinks it came from the front, why I think it comes from the back, right?
And then, and then these new developments, because people are going on campus, they're getting security footage.
They're showing you the security cameras.
They're showing you the timestamps.
And now there's conflicting timestamps.
There's conflicting timestamps from the official report.
There's conflicting claims about the security cameras and what they could or could not capture.
And now we know that actually they could have captured more stuff.
Hold on, I've got to get Ryan connected here.
So the whole thing is just strange.
And I mean, the whole Valhalla thing, maybe the weirdest, the George Zinn being there, the different distractions.
Now it looks like there were at least three distractions, by the way, because you had George Zinn, you had the guy that they detained in a white shirt that apparently had a pellet gun.
And now they're claiming that there was another guy there who was dressed the same as the shooter.
So that would have been three people.
And yet we're not getting any answers about this.
Now, I'm kind of thinking, I'm kind of thinking, because you get to that weird text thing that is just complete BS.
It's either complete BS or, you know, they basically just made this kid make a statement or this kid made a statement to try to exonerate himself.
Ryan joins me now.
Ryan, before we get into the actual subject matter, because it's crazy, believe it or not, there's actually a lot that's developed between the last time you and I spoke late last night and this morning, there's actually a lot that's developed.
So it's almost like us getting into our, you know, why I think it came from the back or why you think it came from the front.
You know, it almost becomes like a backseat issue now that we have these new time stamps, these new security videos.
So it's so strange.
I was just kind of laying that out.
Let me say this, and then I'm just going to let Ryan say his piece.
And Ryan, what I want to do here is basically just give you the floor.
And you can either one, try to convince me that it did come from the front, hit a vest and hit his neck, or if you want to get into some of these new developments that we can go back and forth on, I would be perfectly fine with that too.
Either one of those things I think provides value today.
But I want to start off with this because I know that you and I have been in kind of a similar, we have different takes on this, but we've been in a similar like under attack formation.
I've seen people attacking you.
I've seen people attacking me.
Now, I just want to say as a general thing, and it's upsetting that we have to do this, but it's true.
I just want to say as a general thing, to the people out there that have disagreed with me or thought that my conclusions were wrong and reached out and said so and did so respectfully and did so from good faith that we all want to get the truth.
For you, I thank you and I appreciate that.
I enjoy that and that's important.
But to those of you that are attacking somebody for covering this, for those of you that are calling people names and demonizing them and lying about them, there's no room for that here.
We're all trying to get down to the truth.
And I saw some people responding when you announced it and I announced it like, oh my gosh, like, oh, big debates.
Like, no, I have a good relationship with Ryan.
This is normal stuff.
It's normal stuff to have disagreements.
It's normal stuff to have debates and discussions on big issues.
It's normal stuff.
You come together, you talk it out, you break bread.
This is how it's done.
And I'm just, I wish we would see more of that instead of all the hate and the lying and the character assassinations.
But that aside, Ryan is with us now.
So I don't know, Ryan, I'm to me now, this breaking news with the security camera and the time stamps kind of outweighs the perhaps debate or disagreements that we were going to have.
But I'll leave it up to you where you want to start.
No, and I think you're 100% right on that.
I'm super glad you had me on.
When you reached out to me and asked me to come on to talk about this, it was like, why wouldn't you guys, right?
And in my opinion, like I would like to be wrong and I would have liked Owen to be right because that would have proved that this was some type of massage setup or there was a much more to this story versus the front on shot.
But now what we have now is we have this front on shot of, or we have this security footage, which shows that, remember the video that they show us of the kid running on the roof from the inside the cafeteria and you see him running?
Well, what we've done is we've slowed down that video and I took the video from outside of the people actually of where they shoot Charlie from outside and then how and I count how many seconds does it take that crowd to hit the ground.
So when you're seeing that kid running from in the cafeteria, he's almost in a full on sprint before the people on the ground realize that Charlie's even been shot.
So you mean to tell me that the shooter that's on the roof running takes this shot and then gets up running in a full sprint with this rifle before the people that are standing right next to Charlie even realize that he's been shot and they need to hit the ground.
Okay.
Yeah, you know, this is actually interesting.
And let me kind of maybe rephrase that too, because I guess we have two camera angles.
The one you're talking about is the one where you can kind of see him through the glass and then he gets to the other side of that structure, right?
Yeah, I got it right here if you want me to play it.
Yeah, I'll put you full screen if you want to do that.
You're full screen now.
So yeah, so there's so there's the one from, I guess, what is behind him, which is the security camera they showed you us of him getting off the roof.
And then, of course, there's the original video that's kind of behind Charlie, the first one where we see the guy running across the roof, right?
That was the first thing that teed them off.
But so what you're saying, and this is, again, folks, this is just basic stuff.
I don't even think it's conspiratorial.
How is it that the shooter is running with his rifle across the roof?
I mean, really, if you look at the timing of it, it would appear that he's already on his feet running while the shot is taken.
Now, you could argue, I mean, I'll remain open-minded here.
You could argue that it could have happened so fast and that we just don't really have the full window and knowledge of time.
But with what we have, it looks like it really looks like he is sprinting across the roof before the shot even takes off.
It really does.
It really does.
Now, oh, and I uploaded that into here because I have a weird monitor.
I didn't even realize that.
I have one of these 42-inch monitors.
So if I go to share screen, I think you guys are going to see a like, I can try it, but I also let me upload the video right here.
How do I play that video that I've put into StreamYard?
Can you see that there?
I have, I have whatever you send me, I have on full screen right now.
So it looks like there's something else connected to you too.
I don't know what that is.
Let me hit play.
Okay.
How do I add a third screen here?
I can't hit play on that.
It's just like it let me upload the video, but it won't let me.
Let me let me do a screen share and see if I can screen share.
Okay.
Okay.
Let me do my desktop.
How do I do my desktop?
No, it won't let me.
It'll let me let me do a page.
It won't let me do actually my desktop.
I don't think.
No, it won't.
It'll only let me do a page.
Shit.
Can you play that video anyway?
Is there any way you can play that actual video?
Is it on your X account?
Yeah, it is on my X account, actually.
Are you talking about the video where it's from like far behind?
I'm talking about the video from inside the cafeteria.
If you just search, I'll just send you a link to it and then you can pull it up on your screen.
Okay.
Oh, I think I've got it right here.
I think I've got it right here where the whole crowd is ducking.
Yes, yes, from inside the cafeteria.
Yep.
Or whatever that is.
I can pull that up.
Hold on.
Now I can't see you for some reason.
I can only see myself.
Yeah, because I took myself off the screen.
Okay, cool.
Okay.
So here's what you're talking about.
You actually shared this on X. This is the video that shows Tyler running across the roof within three seconds of Charlie Kirk being hit with the bullet.
And I also include the video of the crowd and how long it took the crowd to drop down.
So this is the cafeteria.
Yep.
And if you're going to have to like pause that and kind of go back and forth and skim through it.
So you can actually see like the crowd right there is starting to sit down and you can already see that little black dude on the roof right over there.
He's already in a full sprint.
Yes.
How is that possible?
He's already in a full sprint.
Okay.
Now.
This video, hold on a second.
Yep.
So, so, so Charlie just gets shot as this video begins and the shooter is clearly already in a full sprint without a, without a gun, by the way, without a rifle, I think it's worth mentioning.
There is no rifle.
I mean, there is some type of information from the information.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
No, go ahead.
There's some type of like towel or case or something that he jumps off that roof with.
He obviously has something longer in his hand when he's jumping off this roof, but it almost looks like it's, it's light.
Like it doesn't like, it doesn't seem like it's a 15 or 10 or I don't know.
I assume those rifles are probably 10, 15 pounds, right.
With the scope and all the equipment and all the, the perch and everything on it.
Like it seems like that would be heavy when he jumps off that roof, you see him, but then he, it's like the thing, like waves almost.
It's almost like, it's like, it's like a towel.
I don't know what's in that longer thing that he has when he jumps off the roof, but the next video you should play is the actual CCTV footage, which if you go to the, you, I can put it right in here.
This is directly from the FBI.
So this isn't like we're grabbing some, some footage that somebody re uploaded.
This is the original footage with the original timestamp of this person running off the roof.
And I'm going to put it here in the, uh, in the live chat.
This is on the FBI's actual YouTube channel.
That's the craziest part about that.
Even the Blake kid reached out to me today because Blake's the one, you know, this Blake kid really blew this investigation open.
He's the one who went to the university and he's like, from that CCTV footage, you can see this, this Blake Bednarz guy.
He's the guy who goes, I went to back to the, to the university.
And in this CCTV footage, you could see the roof and you would see the prone position.
So you mean to tell me that from that video, before they start to zoom in and him jumping off the roof, when it's all the way zoomed out on the far left corner of the building, that's where he would have been perched to take the shot.
So you mean to tell me that they released this video three seconds after Charlie's been shot, when they could have released it five, 10 seconds earlier and showed him in the prone position, we would have seen the muzzle flash because he obviously didn't have a silencer on that gun by the sound of it.
We would have seen him take that shot.
You would have seen the flash.
You would have seen him jump up, grab the run and start off sprinting.
But instead they show us the video as he's already sprinting three seconds after Charlie's been shot.
And this is why the original intent that I had to, to, for have, to have you present your case about the shot coming from the front, hitting the vest and hitting the neck versus me thinking it came from the back is because now the whole thing is back to the coverup angle, right?
I mean, to me now the whole thing is back to the coverup angle and it's like, okay, I'm going to put the, where did it come from on hold for a second?
Because now it's the coverup angle because they're lying.
I mean, there's no other way to put this, Ryan.
I don't know how else to put it.
They're lying.
They're covering it up.
They do have security footage of him taking the shot.
I mean, to me, that is 99.9% concluded.
Thanks to this gentleman going out there, finding the security camera and finding the security camera's range of, of its, of its actual view, its viewpoint, which they did admit they basically enhanced the video.
When he jumped off the roof, they did enhance that.
So that is a zoom in enhancement.
That's kind of why it was a little grainy, but actually the full security camera does have the position where the shooter was at.
So they should have at least one video of him on that roof.
Somebody has that video.
Why aren't we seeing that?
Why aren't they reporting that to the public?
It does exist.
That is a fact based off of what we've seen.
And then the other obvious question here is how did he get on the roof?
Do you have no video of him getting on the roof?
He did get on the roof.
That happened.
He didn't teleport there.
He didn't drop out of the sky.
How did he get on the roof?
Where is that video?
So now it's like, I'm almost to the point where, okay, I'm putting the, where did the shot come from on hold?
Because the coverup is going on now.
And, and the, and the one other angle that I'll bring up, cause you just touched on it too.
One thing I did last night after we spoke was I went to a bunch of like, you know, military.
channels, you know, Blackwater people, snipers, marines, veterans, because they're all talking about this.
Uh, and one video I saw that I think is important was a guy breaking down his rifle.
He was like, Hey, it wasn't the exact same rifle.
He admitted, he's like, Hey, this isn't the exact same rifle, but this is about as you know, this is about as the same rifle as you're going to get.
And this is an expert marksman.
This is a Marine veteran, and he's like, Okay, he's breaking it down.
It took him like 60, 90 seconds.
Point is, it took him, it took him a long time compared to the timeline of events here.
It took it took him a long time to break that rifle down, not quick enough to break it down and then sprint across the roof with a bag and then jump off the roof.
The timing doesn't make sense.
Yeah, and let me add to that, Owen.
You're right, because this, the whole, if we're talking about the angle, the shot, whether he had a vest, whether he didn't have a vest, that's we can all debate that entry wound, exit wound, but that's irrelevant.
The fact is that this kid is the Patsy.
You can either, you either show us the video of this kid taking the shot in the prone position on that roof, which you actually have the video of, or you're lying to us.
And then it kind of just like we can debate.
And I don't think we're ever going to know: was it the exit entry?
I think you have a lot of great evidence that supports your theory.
I think I have a lot of great evidence that supports my theory.
But until we actually see the kid actually take the shot, we should be, we should be presuming that they're framing this kid.
And it's our FBI.
And we all can talk about the Gretchen Whitmore kidnapping.
We can talk about every, we can talk about the Las Vegas shooting.
And then we should talk about those because we should be warning the police that are on the on the ground here, right?
I think that's a very important fact to make.
The local law enforcement, how many officers?
You probably know this better than I do at the Las Vegas shooting magically died.
Oh, you want to talk about the cops that seen the Anthony Weiner laptop?
You want to talk about those police officers?
Yeah, here it is.
Yeah, you sent the video, so I wanted to put it on screen while you were talking.
Yeah, here's the guy breaking down his rifle, showing showing how long it would have taken.
And wait, the best part is here at the at the end when he tries to put it in the backpack and he's like, uh, it's it's way larger than the backpack, and that gun had to have been heavy.
So that's why I'm saying like him dropping that in a bag off the roof and the bag kind of just like floating to the ground slowly.
It seemed that thing would have tanked like a rock.
Yeah.
Well, if you would have seen it, I think it would have been more obvious, right?
I mean, clearly there's something.
He does have something when he jumps off the roof.
I, you know, it's inconclusive.
So I guess you can't say for sure it's not the rifle.
But I think it is, I think it is conclusive to say that if he was up there with the rifle and disassembled it before he jumped off the roof, then it would be physically impossible for him to take that shot unless he has a time machine where he can he can pause time.
100%.
And I believe that this backpack, the backpack that he had on was only a 19-inch backpack.
John Cullen figured that out.
He found the exact backpack on Amazon and got the exact dimensions and it's 19 inches right there.
That backpack right there, 19 right there, by the way.
Yeah, where?
It was supposedly in his leg, in his pant leg.
Are you convinced that that is the case?
Because to me, which, okay, I'll say, you know, where there's, where there's open for skepticism, I'll be fair and put it out there.
But to me, if that gun is in his pant leg, then where's the video of him, you know, basically walking up the stairs using his leg like a rake, right?
I mean, he's going to have to basically round his leg up the stairs because he won't be able to bend it.
Where's the video of that?
And do you remember the first video they show us at 8:23 in the morning when they show us him walking?
He came to the, he came to the university, allegedly parked his car, then he walked to the drop area, which was in the woods, and he did so in white short.
He had like shoes on, shorts on, and a t-shirt on.
And then all of a sudden he comes back walking with a limp and he's now changed into this outfit.
And then remember, they told us at one point, I think he climbed onto the roof, assembles the rifle, but there's a 15-minute window where they tell us that he's actually on campus and he's actually engraving.
He's engraving those trans sayings into the cartridges.
Which, by the way, it's not an easy feat to engrave a bullet.
That's not an easy thing to do.
No, and check this out, right?
So he's engraving these because it's a 15-minute window where he's missing on this campus.
And I have all the time stamps.
I can actually send you the whole original New York Times write-up play-by-play.
I went through every scene, every minute, and went play-by-play of what they told us.
And they tell us that he disappears for 15 minutes on campus.
And at some point in there, they know that he's engraving these.
They know that he didn't have them engraved before.
They know that he didn't do it in the woods, but they specifically know because they didn't see him on camera that he engraved those on site.
And when you talk about that, if you're going to hide the gun, if you're going to throw the gun away and you're going to try to dispose of it, which he was trying to do in those text messages, he told his boyfriend, his trans boyfriend, that he was coming back to get the gun, but he thinks that they might have found the spot and he might not be able to go back and get the weapon now.
But why would you engrave the cartridges if you wanted to dispose of the weapon?
And if it was your dad's or your uncle's gun or your grandpa's gun and you were up talking to your boyfriend about how your dad's going to be upset if he knows that this gun is missing, you understand what I'm saying?
But he was engraving the cartridges on it on a gun that he planned to return back to his dad.
And this is a kid who obviously did enough planning.
I guess we don't know about, you know, they haven't really given us much details about how much planning went into it, but he did enough planning to know his spot.
So he, so, okay, let's put it like this.
He had enough information and he had enough planning to know where Charlie was going to be seated, where he was going to take his shot.
And then he had a strategy to get off campus and escape, which he did.
He escaped.
He turned himself in.
He was gone.
He was escaped.
If it wasn't for tips or something, apparently he doesn't get in.
So can I run you through the timeline really quick?
So it's like, why would he go through all of this effort and then be afraid to get grounded and then turn himself in?
It's like if he had premeditated all of this, you'd think he would already have all of this figured out.
Like, yeah, once I shoot him, that's, that's, you know, that, that's it for me.
And if he was just going to turn himself in, then why did he leave the campus?
But yeah, go ahead.
No, so, so at this timeline, and I actually got the map of this campus here behind me.
I hate that my screen's so blown out on this, but what this is, is it's showing you where he shot from right here, right here.
So he arrives at campus that day at 8.30 in the morning.
And that's when he parked his challenger allegedly in the parking area.
And then from 8.29 to 9.57.
So 9.57 is when he's seen walking through the neighborhood.
And this time he has shorts on and a red maroon shirt, right?
So from 8.29 to 9.57 is when he was supposed to be scouting this area.
Do you mean to tell me it's a Wednesday?
This entire campus is packed.
You have to know that Charlie Kirk's going to be in this position and you have to know that you're going to be able to get onto a roof to get a line of sight.
So he was either scoping this out before and they have the CCTV footage will be backed up for a full year.
So at some point, somebody would have been on this roof before, he would have had to have known that when Charlie Kirk came to this campus, that he was going to be right in that area and that he was going to be able to get onto this roof.
And he was able to be able to get up there with a rifle and do all of this while you're at eight, at 8.30 to 10 a.m., which is probably when first classes are actually starting your first class probably.
Oh, campus is busy.
Campus is busy at this time.
45,000 students go to this school, Owen.
And you mean to tell me that this dude somehow gets onto this roof with a rifle in the middle of a school day on a day that Charlie Kirk's coming while his team at the same time, because his team would have had to have been there roughly four hours.
Charlie got shot at eight or at 1233.
So or at 1223.
So you mean to tell me for four hours before there, his team wasn't setting up equipment there?
And if they weren't setting up equipment there, then when he was doing the recon, how would he have known where Charlie was going to be positioned?
Unless he had information coming from the internal team of Charlie Kirk's.
How would he know that he was going to be able to get onto this roof in an hour and a half?
And Charlie's team would have had to been there setting up, which means his security would have had to been there.
And you mean his security is there setting up and there's 45,000 students or even maybe say there's 10,000 students walking around on any given day around this campus.
And this dude gets up on this building on this rooftop and then sets up and then is able to come back an hour and a half later and get back up on that roof again, two hours later, I mean, and get back on that roof, assemble his rifle and then take the shot.
All in 15, he got on the roof, assembled his rifle in 15 minutes, got into position, took that shot.
And then within three minutes or three seconds of taking that shot, he was in a full sprint running off that roof and broke down his rifle somehow or put it in a towel and jumped off the roof with it in a towel and didn't break it down, which really begs the question is what is Spencer, why is Spencer Cox saying so much different information?
And Candace Owens went into the indictment.
And in the indictment, they completely leave out that he changed outfits.
That was the TMZ video that they gave us.
TMZ is the one who told us that he was in this, he was in these shorts and a maroon shirt when he first arrived on campus.
And then they said he parked in the parking garage and then he walked through that neighborhood.
So if he parked in the parking garage, what parking garage do you know at a college university that doesn't have cameras all over the parking garage?
Every one of them does.
You're not going to let your students be in a dark parking garage, some of them leaving class at night and then assume that they're going to be safe in that parking garage and don't need cameras.
Every parking garage has cameras.
At the very least, at the security points, so you're not like ramming through a gate.
I read that the whole campus just updated their security cameras.
Did you?
I broke that story.
I broke that story.
So, so, okay, you're the source of that.
So, yeah, so obviously there's footage out there they're not showing us.
I mean, that is not even a debate.
That is just, they're obviously hiding footage from us.
Aside from, aside from the obvious, which is the TPUSA footage right behind Charlie, where that guy goes and breaks the camera down immediately and seems to take out the card.
That's just another weird thing.
That would solve a lot of questions, I think.
But okay, fine.
That's their private property.
The college campus's security cameras, where's all that footage?
So you're willing to show us, it's like the FBI is willing to show us the tiny bit of footage that confirms their whole thing to try to wrap it up, but they don't want to show us all the other stuff with all the open holes, all the open inquiries.
Yep, you got that.
You got that spot on.
And what I'm pulling up here is I actually have the map of what they told us that he did.
He's got to open it to get it open.
There we go.
Of what they told us that he did here.
So they're saying that.
Let me get my mic over here.
So they're saying that he comes walking through this neighborhood.
That's number one.
Number two, they tell us that he walks across this parking lot.
Number three, he crosses the street.
Number four, he walks into the parking garage.
And then when he comes out of this parking garage at number four, they can't tell us where he goes between four and five.
But I believe that's the 15 minute window when they say that he's engraving somewhere in here.
He's engraving these bullets.
So he's walking through all the way through here, gets over to number five, and then comes across here.
And let me move over to number six over here.
And then somehow number five, he ends up right here.
Number six is inside at this, at this rooftop, and he walks up the stairwell and then somehow gets onto the roof, which is seven, where he takes the shot.
And then number eight is where he jumps off.
So again, in their own diagram, they are showing us because this is number eight is where eight is was kind of where that CCTV footage would have been on this building right here.
And that's the building that's showing the roof.
And then we're showing you that literally you can see, you would be able to see the prone position.
You would be able to see him running from this roof from over here.
And you can't tell me that there's not one camera or any of these buildings.
There's buildings here, buildings here, buildings here, buildings here, buildings here, buildings here, building here, building here.
All of those would have had, been able to see him from that prone position.
But he got from here, Owen, to here before the crowd even knew, before the crowd even knew that Charlie Kirk had been shot.
And he's running in a full sprint with that rifle because this is where he's running.
You can see that little, it's almost like an air conditioning unit, I bet.
If you zoom in here, you can see it.
So that was what he was running by when they're looking at from this window here.
They're watching this kid on this roof run across here.
This is the CC TV footage somewhere over here.
And you can see this whole roof.
Yeah, I've got that video actually.
Let me pull that video from Bednars here.
So he's putting it out and he's showing, okay, here's the security footage that they showed you.
Here's the corner of the building that he jumped off of.
And then here's the camera where the security footage came from.
You can see it right there mounted on that corner.
And so when you zoom out, you can actually see the entire view that that camera has.
And indeed, as you were just breaking down, it does have the sniper's nest in frame right there.
Right there.
So he would be stationed right there.
Right here.
And that's clearly in the view of this camera.
Yep.
And if you come back over to me, you can even see that video.
It shows you there's two different colors to that roof.
There's like the light gray in the front, and then there's the dark gray that he's running on.
And you can clearly see that that dark gray is where the perch would have been.
And they're showing us here in this New York Times diagram on my on my screen.
It's like this kid blew this case wide open right here.
Like you can see the different colors in this roof.
You can see that there's two.
Oh, you can't really see it on my camera.
Maybe I can send you a screenshot of this.
I can go back to the video.
Here, you want me to put the video?
Yeah, put the video back up there.
Yeah, go ahead.
Yeah, see, see how there's a light color gray to the roof and the dark color gray.
The dark color gray is where the perch is.
And then if you go back to this article from the New York Times that I had up on my screen there, you don't have to go back to it, but I'm just saying that shows the two, the two tan color roofs.
So you can show, you can see exactly that perch position of where that kid would have taken that shot from right here.
It's on.
And this is the New York Times.
Yeah, well, this is the official story.
You know, this is what they're telling us.
And you know, well, here, as I'm just like trying to make sense of all of this in my head, you know, you look at all the potential situations.
And, you know, to me, there was obviously prior knowledge.
And, you know, I do still believe that it was left-wing terrorism.
And I think, I think eventually what they're going to come out and claim, whether people believe it or not is another story.
But I think what they're going to come out and claim is that there was this group of, I don't even know if you can put a political marker on them, but they're going to, they're going to, they're going to tie the whole trans issue to it, like, I guess, uh, the shooter's boyfriend or whatever that situation was, the partner.
And I think they're going to tie it all to that.
I think there's going to say there was this big Discord chat group.
I think they're going to maybe tie it into Antifa or something.
They're going to do something to basically try to use this to end internet privacy, bring in some sort of an AI internet surveillance.
And they're going to say, oh, they were in here on this Discord chat or some private chat group planning the whole thing.
And that's why there was prior knowledge.
And that's why other people that were probably in there had access to it said, oh, something's bad is going to happen to Charlie that day.
But the feds can't get the, they can't get the evidence because it's a, it's a private server and they can't do it.
And we can't allow that.
So we need AI surveillance on the internet.
No more internet privacy.
So I feel like that's where this is going.
Now, to get into the shooting thing, and I'm curious because.
Oh, and can you hear me?
I lost your audio.
I can hear you.
You're good.
I lost your audio.
Seems that all right.
I don't know what happened with that.
I think that that's the, I think that that's what they're going to come out and tell us, which could be true that, yeah, there was basically Ryan is back with us here.
Ryan, can you hear me now?
What the heck?
Why did I lose your audio?
That's so strange.
I didn't even touch anything.
I have no idea.
For some reason, Ryan not hearing me all of a sudden.
How is that possible?
Mike, check, Mike, check.
Yeah.
Great question.
We're hearing you just fine.
I don't know.
One more time, Owen.
We're hearing you just fine.
I don't know.
You got me now?
Yeah, sweet.
Oh, my God.
Excuse me.
So that was weird.
Well, let me finish my point here.
I think they're going to come out.
They're going to say it was some private chat, whatever Antifa, left-wing stuff, liberal stuff, LGBTQ stuff, whatever they want to put on it.
And they're going to say, we couldn't get access to it.
If we could have, we could have stopped this.
So we need AI internet surveillance, the end of internet privacy.
And I'm not even saying that that I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised.
I would even say that I probably believe that that is the case, that they were in there planning this in some sort of a chat group.
However, and this is where we get back to the shooting thing and how this individual being the shooter right now doesn't seem to add up.
Some of the other individuals, these are, these are, you know, master snipers.
These are military snipers.
These are ballistics experts.
They believe that the shot came from a because it doesn't sound like it has a compressor or a silencer, but it's out to them.
And these are the mad, I mean, these are the guys that are out in firefights.
You know, they're trained to know when you hear a shot, how to, how to recognize where to look and find where the shooter is at.
And to them, they think it sounds like it comes from an open air, contained source, like a parking garage.
So it sounds to them like somebody shot it outside, but like enclosed, like in a parking garage, or like maybe where the muzzle flash came from, which in Frank's testimony, he says it sounds like the gun was a lot closer than on the roof, you know, 200 or so yards away.
So I could see maybe if somebody, if you want to get major conspiratorial, you know, somebody could have known that they were planning this.
They could have known that somebody was going to go to try to take a shot at Charlie that day and they took the shot themselves.
And then when the, when the Patsy realized it, before he could even take, before he could even pull the trigger, the shot comes and he's like, what the?
And written across the roof because he's like, what the hell?
Somebody.
And then, and, but to him, it's like, okay, it could have been somebody else in the Discord, right?
It could have been somebody else in this chat room where we were talking about doing this.
And then the feds go talk to the partner and maybe the partner's trying to cover it all up.
And the partner gives them this big spiel that the new text message thing that is total BS.
Nobody believes it.
So maybe the partner made that all up to cover up the rest of the tracks.
Or I don't know.
Maybe the FBI made it up.
Somebody made it up.
None of that is real.
Let me ask you one question.
Let me ask you one question with that.
So the link I just shared in here.
So this is John Solomon.
And you know who John Solomon is.
I just kind of a little bit about this guy, but I believe he runs like he's like the chief editorial at the Washington Times or something like this.
So this isn't some random person.
Eight hours or nine hours.
This is Sean Hannity.
So I don't know what time Hannity's live show is at night, but he goes on Sean Hannity that night and tells us that he suspects that there may be foreign intelligence involved.
What would make a man at the level of John Solomon go on Fox News, national TV and say anything about foreign intelligence unless that man has sources in the FBI?
That man has sources in laws at local law enforcement.
He's in Washington, D.C. He knows more and probably has more sources and leads in that.
And he gets on national TV.
What would make a man like that say something like that?
That's what I want to know.
Let me just say this because I probably have a little more intel on that.
Your instincts are perfectly on.
John Solomon is directly getting information from the White House.
I can tell you for a fact that John Solomon is one of the members of the media that gets direct access and information and even exclusives from the White House and the DOJ.
Now, just to be, just to kind of cover all the ground here, I talk to a lot of people that have inside sources at the White House.
And to this White House's credit, it is probably the most accessible White House.
It truly is.
But they do have some people that they work exclusively with to give exclusive big breaks.
And Solomon happens to be one of them.
So just to kind of give you a little intel on that relationship, if that kind of helps you work your mind about why he might say that.
So what I'm saying is he probably got that from the White House or the DOJ.
Okay.
And then what, so how do we go from that to this trans kid?
And this kid seems like a Patsy.
It seems like they are like, why would you, and if this is this trans thing, why don't we have the CCTV footage?
Why were they giving us screenshots?
Why is this kid's outfit changing and not changing?
Like none of that adds up to for me to go, you know what?
I think it's probably a trans group of these activists in a Discord.
When Discord came out, the CEO of Discord came out hours after the FBI broke that story the first time and said there was some mass plan in this Discord.
The CEO of Discord came out and said, hey, we just reviewed every single text message that Tyler sent on Discord.
There was never any plotting or any criminal activity being planned on Discord between Tyler and anybody.
That was directly from the CEO of Discord put out a public statement.
And that was national news.
I reported on that too.
So that's where I get going with if there's just, I can name 150,000 reasons why Israel would want Charlie Kirk dad.
He just turned down $150 million.
Who turns down $150 million?
Not only that, Charlie Kirk's the type of guy that wasn't out chasing tail.
He wasn't out going to parties and drinking.
He wasn't going to be in a position where they could ever put him in a room with a child to blackmail him.
He was unblackmailable and he didn't want their money.
And he was finally coming out against Israel saying, F you Israel.
So I can, I can give you 150,000 reasons why he would want to take out Charlie Kirk.
Even the trans people, like, yeah, Charlie Kirk was speaking out against them, but he wasn't like Andrew Tate.
He wasn't like this cocky, arrogant, like, I'm just going to throw it in your face and I'm going to mock you and I'm going to humiliate you.
He was this guy who was like, I'm going to talk to you and I'm going to articulately debate you.
And I would love for you to come and prove your thesis in front of, you know, whatever.
It just seems like he was able to engage with you in a nice way that even the trans community, I can't see being radicalized enough to want to kill Charlie Kirk.
I can see them wanting to kill you, Alex Jones, any of us who are like, yeah, you know, ban the trans, whatever we're saying out here.
Like, and I, and I barely touch on the trans topic.
So you guys cover that a lot more.
There's been how many trans shooters in these schools?
And even in the school shootings, right?
Even in the trans school shootings, we have all the CCTV footage until they start shooting on the kids.
You see the trans shooter going in the door.
You see him in the polling in the parking lot.
You see him walking through the school buildings.
We have all of that.
And they paint him out to be this trans terrorist and they cover up the memoir.
This guy has no posts on social media that say anything negative about Charlie Kirk.
He's never been in, that we've seen any photos at at LGBTQ party, never at like, he's not wearing any of the gay pride stuff at a gay pride event.
He's at none of that.
No photos, no digital footprint.
And then magically, this kid's on a roof and so radicalized that he has to kill Charlie Kirk.
And he's able to plot this all out in one day.
In an hour and a half, he's able to come up with this master plan and he knows where Carly Charlie Kirk's going to be located to take that shot.
That seems like a, that seems like a hard sell to me.
Well, I'm not even, you know, I'm not reaching any conclusions.
I would still say my, I lean towards it probably was left-wing terror assassin.
But you got to admit, you know, Doth protests too much.
Netanyahu comes out again today and uses Charlie Kirk's death to promote his own political agenda.
He's been doing it since day one.
And then, of course, you have all of the, you know, the Israel loyalist or agent bots on X in full workout mode right now.
I mean, they're working over the clock.
So that's all circumstantial stuff.
But I will say, and I learned a couple of things last night just going into these expert snipers and Marine snipers, all these videos with their breakdowns.
And they're saying that this is 100% a professional hit for a couple reasons.
One, even a master marksman in this situation, and I didn't, I mean, again, I'm no master marksman.
I don't know if you know about cold barrel or they have different words of using it.
But basically, your first shot is your least accurate shot.
Basically, if you just assemble your rifle right then and there and take a shot, the odds of you actually having that first shot be accurate is nearly impossible.
It's nearly impossible.
Even if you are just going center mass, it's nearly impossible.
Again, that's not, I'm not, I'm not claiming to the expert.
This is what the experts are saying.
This is what the master marksmen are saying.
They call it cold barrel, all kinds of different words for it.
But basically, that first shot when you assemble your rifle and you try to get your scope line and everything, that first shot is never accurate.
Like it's impossible.
Even the best shooters in the world will tell you that that is that is a not accurate shot.
And then even if, which it doesn't add up, but even if he was somehow able to get everything aligned and have everything ready to go to take that shot like a professional would be, still the pressure with that scope, because again, they know about the scope, the pressure with that scope, I mean, just a little, just a little movement and your scope is off body, right?
From that distance, just a tiny little movement and your scope is off target.
And so this is a guy who's clearly not a professional.
They haven't indicated any level of training.
This is a shot that's not a short shot.
And somehow this guy is able to get up there and pull this off with one shot and be such a pro that immediately after he pulls the trigger, he's breaking it down, putting it in a bag and sprinting off a roof.
Sorry, doesn't add up.
It's really impossible.
It is.
Hey, let me grab a water really quick while you're talking.
And I just want to grab water.
That way I don't have to stop.
Go ahead.
That's all.
We're going to be shutting this down momentarily anyway because I got other things I got to jump to, but we're about to shut this down anyway.
We didn't even get into the intended topic, but I think it's fine for today.
We can revisit it later because to me now, the story is how they lied about the security footage, how they're covering up the security footage, how the time stamps don't add up, and how everybody is looking at this one guy and saying, wait a second, this doesn't make sense that he could have pulled this off alone.
So again, I don't even know.
People want to reach conclusions and Ryan has he's determined why he thinks he's reached his conclusions.
I'm not reaching, I'm not reaching any conclusions, folks.
To me, there's so much gray area and so many lies being told.
That's the only conclusion I can reach is that we're being lied to and that the official, the official story is being covered up.
Or, and I think this is within the realm of possibility too, by the way.
You know, the FBI could have botched this deal so badly and now and now they're just sitting there like with their pants down.
Like, we got nothing.
Like they got nothing.
All we got is this kid on the roof.
And you know what?
Maybe they know he didn't do it, but this is all we got.
And so we just got to, we just got to put a bow on this thing and give it to the people and hope they accept it.
You know, Owen, I love it, man.
I'm with you.
I don't know anything.
I'm coming to some conclusions, but I am not hell-bent on anyone.
I'm open to complete.
I was coming on here and hoping that you were going to prove me that there was a side shot and I was going to come out of this going, yeah, you know, maybe that is a theory.
Like all I know is that I don't think that this kid was on that position.
And I know that they're hiding footage from us.
That's what I think.
I think it would be mathematically impossible for him to get up in three seconds and be in a full-on sprint from the time that he took that shot, like you said.
And this kid only had to be on that.
He was only on that roof for 15 minutes, according to the New York Times story.
So like Owen said, you're adrenaline.
You're somehow getting onto this roof with a gun.
And 15 minutes before this shot, you assemble your rifle and you're up there.
Man, my heart would have been beaten out of my chest.
There's no way I would have been sweating.
I would have been shaking and trying to keep that gun steady.
They call that heat.
Again, I'm just learning this stuff from like Blackwater snipers.
Like I'm spending hours on YouTube.
They call that heat.
That's heat.
So it's like, yeah, you're in the heat.
Like one, one centimeter and you're off target, Ryan.
With a scope like that on a target from that far away, one centimeter of movement and you're off target.
I mean, that's a pro.
That's a pro.
That's a pro.
I appreciate it, Owen, man.
I'll have this conversation with you anytime, man.
Anytime you want to come back onto it.
And it's like, and then they destroy the crime scene.
We don't see any of the HD footage.
Now they've cemented over the crime scene.
They've put a cement block over the crime scene now.
And I don't know if you've seen what's his name's video.
Under those cement blocks, there's an escape hatch.
There's like a hidden tunnel under that.
Matt Baker, you know, Slave Deliberty, Matt Baker with the Dreds.
He just sent me a video right before I was on live with you, and it shows them putting the concrete and somebody's taking an image.
And there's a hidden hash door under that for some reason.
Not that that's relevant, but I just thought it was funny.
Yeah, it's just added up to the weirdness of the whole thing.
Well, it's going to be interesting to see what Nate Bednars, is that his name, right?
Nate Bednars.
It's going to be interesting to see what he does because now, thank God he's doing it.
I hope he continues it.
Go around that campus.
I don't know if you've been able to reach out to him.
Maybe I'll try.
Yeah, I can give you his number.
I got it.
He's going on redacted day at probably.
Oh, beautiful, beautiful.
I was on with them yesterday.
Yeah, if he could just go there and just document that scene like he did and just show where all the different security cameras are.
Because here's what's going to happen with that.
It's going to show beyond any reasonable doubt that they're covering this up.
I mean, because there's no way that's the only footage you have of that guy today.
There is 0% chance that is the only footage of him running and jumping off the roof.
0% chance.
I'd say it's almost a certainty that you should have the camera of him getting in the prone position and you should have the camera of him getting onto the roof.
Why aren't we seeing it?
Simple as that.
Why aren't we to add to that, Owen?
Is I was the one who broke that story about the universities.
So they updated, and this was based off of their own internal documents that they published on their security camera updates.
And that was one in 2022, and on the other campus, it was 2024.
So they would have the most advanced securities footage.
And then I went in and I did research.
I go, so how many university cameras are at a university?
And I just did an average because this was the only university which I couldn't get an exact number.
But a university that has 30,000 students on average has 1,800 to 2,500 CCTV footages.
This campus had 45,000.
And then people said, well, if you had 45,000 or if they had 2,500 cameras, they go, you need a terabyte, a hard drive of 76 terabytes just to back up footage for one day.
So I posted something about it and I had an expert contact me.
This guy calls me and goes, Hey, Ryan, I got a contract.
I do this for a living.
I install security cameras specifically at universities.
I got a contract with the university by me that has 5,700 students.
He goes, There's 300 CCTV footage videos at that campus.
And he goes, when you sign a contract with the company to install that many CCTV videos, we give you so much compute power and so much storage that we back up all 300 cameras for an entire year at this university.
So a university that big would have the storage ability to back up every single one of those cameras on campus for an entire year.
They have the footage.
And there'd be 2,500 of them roughly.
They have the footage.
I mean, I have a security system.
I have three security cameras at my house.
And I mean, it's, you know, pretty much a bare bones security system.
And I can get access to all of it.
Of course, of course, a high-tech, high-level university has the most advanced security cameras that you can imagine, probably short of, you know, like the FBI or the CIA or the White House.
Now, what if your shooter had a jammer?
That would be the only thing.
So I'm thinking this kid's walking on campus and they can't get a side of shot of him.
Every time he's supposed to be on camera, the cameras jam up.
And that would be, that would be something that would logically make somebody like John Solomon go, maybe it's an intelligence agency.
Who would have the ability to jam those cameras?
So either they don't have them, which would point completely to an inside job.
Like we almost wouldn't even believe us if they told us that they didn't have them.
They would actually have to show us the cameras cutting out one by one to kind of prove that theory.
But that's another theory I thought is maybe this guy's a jammer on him and he's blocking the cameras and the only one that catches him is the one that's way, way, way far back on another building that he wasn't walking by.
He might not have even known that that was there.
Maybe he, you know, they probably would have scoped that out before it was a professional job.
So they would have had to have known, but maybe they just over somehow overlooked that one camera and that's the only one that was actually running at the time because he jammed the rest of them.
That's interesting.
Or I wonder if you could, I wonder if you could turn somebody's cell phone into a jammer without them even knowing it.
I wonder if that technology exists.
They got Pegasus.
This guy doesn't know.
This guy doesn't.
This guy, look, this guy's not advanced at anything.
Okay.
I don't think anybody's convinced that this guy is advanced at anything, quite frankly.
And so for him to be able to pull this off is just the whole thing stinks to high heavens.
They're clearly covering something up.
They're clearly lying to us.
They're clearly keeping information from us.
And I don't know how deep, you know, Ryan, I got way deep into the rabbit hole with the weirdness of it, just the weirdness of the whole thing.
I don't know how deep you've gone down the rabbit hole of beyond just the things on the surface of what happened that day and trying to figure out what happened to Charlie.
Talk about the photo and his computer and the photo that he took from Douglas Island.
Well, look, I'm talking about stuff even beyond that that I'm not even willing to report because it's like, look, if you're willing to go that down the rabbit hole, because what I've just, what I've decided with, you know, what I do is when I get that deep into the rabbit hole, to me, now it's voluntary.
I'm not bringing you down that deep with me.
If you want to go that deep, then you know what?
That's that's a voluntary thing.
I'm not going to drag you down.
But yeah, I'll say it starts with that photo, but it doesn't end with that photo.
It doesn't end at Valhalla, my friend.
There are other photos and other connections, and it'll just make you go, what are the odds?
That's simple.
It's just, what are the odds?
Like, that's kind of how it goes.
But I'm sure, you know, he's dating this person.
He loves this person so much.
That's why he's explaining how his dad is a big MAGA in a perfectly convenient text thread, because I'm sure that's what you're talking about.
Because your partner of a year or whatever wouldn't know that your dad supports Trump, right?
You're just going to bring that up while you're trying to escape law enforcement because that's how it makes sense.
So, Ryan, I think, you know, maybe we do this again and we can follow up on some of these details and maybe revisit where we think the shot came from.
That was our intention today, but now the other breaking news comes out.
So we're covering the cover-up.
But I think it's fair enough to say that it's a fair conclusion to reach.
They're keeping videos from us.
They're not being fully transparent here.
And whenever those two things happen, it reeks of a cover-up.
Absolutely, brother.
It's an honor to be on here, man.
Like you said, thanks for having me.
Thanks for giving me the chance to actually debate and try to prove you wrong or prove myself right.
And I think these are the conversations, these open conversations, get us so much farther than attacking one another and trying to call each other idiots and names.
And, you know, so God bless you, man.
I appreciate you.
All right, Ryan Mata at Ryan Mata Media on X. Follow him there to keep up with all of his breaking news.
Ryan, good to see you.
Godspeed and God bless.
Guys, I'm signing off this for now.
I got a couple other interviews coming up later.
Stay tuned on X for more information and Godspeed.
God bless.
Everybody, stay safe.
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