Owen Shroyer’s OSL 107 examines Israel’s alleged manipulation of U.S. foreign policy, from pushing Iran war narratives and suppressing criticism via a $3M AIPAC-backed bill to spying claims tied to Signal leaks. Callers like Eric in Idaho accuse Zionists of exploiting Christian loyalty through "false doctrine," while others cite Talmudic references and conspiracy theories about Jewish control over institutions. Shroyer counters by framing opposition as pragmatic, not anti-Semitic, and warns against severing ties prematurely—though he insists Israel’s influence must end after defeating the "radical left." The episode blends geopolitical critique with fringe theories, ending on a lighter note with Yellow Card’s Ocean Avenue album. [Automatically generated summary]
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So I don't want to do a larger breakdown of this conversation that's happening now about Israel.
And most people have kind of either made up their minds where they stand or their minds were already made up for them.
But I think these three things that have just developed recently should be very telling of what our relationship with Israel is really all about.
And it should actually be extremely concerning for Americans that this is the case.
Now, it's funny enough, I have this document on my desk.
I wasn't even planning on getting into this, but maybe I should.
Now, this is the guy, actually, I didn't even realize this.
This is the guy who we covered last week who was debating Andrew Wilson, the apostate prophet.
I have to wonder if these guys are organically that obsessed with Israel or if they're paid to be that obsessed with Israel.
It's very strange.
But he says, 20 things Israel has done for U.S. And the only reason, the only reason they have to put propaganda like this out there is because there is no argument.
The average American can't understand why Israel is our greatest ally.
But with allies like Israel, who needs enemies?
So, briefly, in the recent weeks, Israel has tried to get us into a war with Iran.
Israel has tried to punish free speech in America.
And now it appears to come out that Israel has been spying on the Trump administration.
And Mike Waltz might have even been the spy.
Not that they need him.
But let's get into these developments.
Let me see if I can get this headline from the Washington Post.
Yeah, they have it under a paywall, but the headline is inside Mike Waltz ouster before SignalGate talks with Israel angered Trump.
That's the Washington Post headline.
Another headline: Waltz reportedly archived signal messages on Israeli intelligence-linked app.
And there actually appears to be photo evidence of this that has made its way around the internet.
A picture of Walt's phone in a cabinet meeting circulated on social media.
Waltz on the encrypted messaging app.
Israel officials furious that Signal Group chat exposed intelligence sources say.
Message app used by Trump officials suspends operations after reported hack.
Now, this is the new app.
So let's explain what happens here.
Signal is a known encrypted app.
It's a clone of CIA technology.
A lot of people don't trust Signal.
I actually disagree.
Now, I understand why you wouldn't trust any app, and I'm not saying to trust any app, but there has been a track record, and I can tell you from FBI investigations that Signal is encrypted for all intents and purposes.
You can have private conversations on Signal, and you can basically have no trace of those conversations.
Now, there's other apps with similar things.
I'm not telling you to trust Signal or any app.
I'm just saying there's a reason why people use Signal.
It is encrypted messaging, and it is, you can make it so that people cannot track or trace your messages on there.
And as far as I know, it's probably the best one to do that.
I'm not telling you to trust it.
I'm not saying it's, I'm just, I'm just, that's where I'm at on this situation.
So, the Trump administration is using it.
Now, Who adds Jeffrey Goldberg to the Signal app may or may not even be relevant anymore?
Did he get in there by hook?
Did he get in there by crook?
Was it Mike Waltz?
Was it somebody around Mike Waltz?
It ends up being a side story now.
Now, Waltz has been relieved of his duties.
Is that because of SignalGate or is that because of something else now?
But isn't it ironic, however, Goldberg gets in there, somehow ends up becoming the demonization of Signal, saying it was a hack.
And who knows what Goldberg told Donald Trump in their meeting at the White House right before Waltz was relieved of duty.
So then, as the headline says, Israel officials furious that Signal group chat exposed intelligence.
Now, it didn't expose any intelligence.
That is a lie.
That was propaganda.
That was mainstream media propaganda.
And it wasn't Signal that did it.
It was the Atlantic that did it.
Signal didn't expose anything.
Signal didn't publish anything.
Jeff Goldberg did.
Somebody added Goldberg into the chat.
Waltz, Wong, somebody else.
I don't know.
It wasn't a Signal problem.
It wasn't a Signal hack.
It wasn't a Signal leak.
It was somebody put Goldberg in there, and then he published it at the Atlantic.
So why would Israel be furious and then say, oh, it was intelligence?
Well, who are they furious with?
They should be furious with Goldberg.
Now, there's two ways that this could really go.
Well, maybe there's more than two.
I don't think Goldberg is an intelligence asset of Israel.
I think he's just a fop, left-wing fake news reporter.
I don't know his history or his, I mean, his background with a name like Goldberg.
I could assume he's Jewish, but for the sake of this conversation, I don't think it matters.
I don't think Goldberg has anything to do with some intelligence operation.
Could be wrong, but that's not where I'm going.
That's not the scent that I'm tracing down.
But it wouldn't make sense for Israel to be furious at Signal and then make it out to be a Signal issue.
This was either a Mike Waltz issue or an Atlantic issue.
But notice that Israel did not go after Waltz and did not go after the Atlantic.
So that should tell you something about those two.
But who did Israel go after?
Israel went after Signal and Israel went after Hegzeth.
Now, Hegzeth is obviously the one in there that's trying to keep us from getting into another war.
And for this report, I'm not going to go too deep into that, but just understand that the warmongers, probably the warmonger Zionists, too, the military-industrial complex, the Warhawks on the right in America, and then the Warhawk Zionist in Israel, none of them like Hegzeth because he's not for another war.
Now, Hegzeth clearly has more influence, at least at this point, over the Trump administration than Mike Waltz.
I'd say that's probably settled whether Trump agrees more with what Waltz or what Hegzeth says.
You could judge that by Waltz being gone.
You could judge that by the decision not to strike Iran.
But regardless, let's make sense of this.
Why would Israel go after Signal and Hegzeth and not Waltz or the Atlantic and Goldberg?
Well, it's pretty clear now.
Israel would go after Hegzeth because he didn't want to strike Iran.
Well, that's not what Israel wants.
But why would Israel go after Signal?
Because Israel wanted to spy on the Trump campaign, but they couldn't do it on Signal.
So they had to demonize Signal and then get the Trump administration to jump to a different encrypted messaging app that Israel could spy on the Trump administration with.
That's the military-industrial complex in the West that ended up getting them out of Pete Hegzeth's office and ear.
But it didn't change Hegzeth.
So Walt is in there clamoring for war with I'm sure a couple others, where the majority of voices didn't want it, including Susie Wiles.
So Israel does not get its strike on Iran that they wanted.
Now, this was a major egg on the face of Netanyahu, let me tell you.
In fact, if the U.S. does not strike Iran or go in for a regime change in Iran, and I understand why there is a major issue, and it's mostly on the right wing.
With the left wing, it's all fake.
They don't even know.
These left-wingers that are out there protesting for Palestine and all this, they could not have a real conversation about it.
They couldn't have a serious geopolitical discussion.
They couldn't tell you what's really going on with foreign relations and foreign policy.
They just kind of buy into whatever they're sold.
And while you could argue they're on the righteous side of this issue, they really don't know anything about it at the end of the day.
And so they kind of just fall for the left-wing Astro Turf stuff and just show up to whatever protest that they're told to.
But they couldn't have a serious discussion about this.
So you kind of have to remove them from the picture.
But there is a serious discussion on this issue on the right wing.
And it's really even had a fracture, I would say, on the MAGA base on social media.
Probably that's where it begins and ends at this point.
There's some of it in Congress, which we can talk about here.
There might be some of it in the Trump administration, but it's mostly under the dome of social media where it's happening right now and online commentary.
But there's a real discussion.
There's a real debate.
And so if Netanyahu, and there's a lot of this commentary that Israel runs everything and Israel runs the Trump administration and all of that.
And I don't really buy into that.
I do believe that Israel's influence in our foreign policy has been a disaster.
I do believe that Israel's overwhelming influence on our foreign policy and in Washington, D.C. has been extreme and a major issue.
But I don't think they control the Trump administration like a lot of other people do.
I think Trump uses it to get what he wants.
I think that Trump does have some loyalties to the Israeli lobby to a certain degree, but I don't think he is willing to sacrifice certain values, ethics, and policies in the sake of Israel.
And here's why.
And time will ultimately tell, but I think here's how I would look at it right now.
Netanyahu, since the 1980s, has been able to come to the United States Congress and get the U.S. military to fight its wars for it and have regime change wherever he demands it, without fail, without fail.
Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other small Syria, Israel has been able to use the United States and its military and its Congress to get whatever regime change and whatever wars it's wanted since the 1980s, since the 1980s.
In fact, I have a video I can play of this.
Maybe it's time to even play this video.
Just so You can get a little context here now.
Ultimately, this is why I think that it's not as bad as it appears to be with the Israeli influence, which is, I mean, it's like it's like a 90% bad, but a lot of people think it's 100% bad.
I might, if I can't find it, I'll just have to give up.
Did I play it last week?
I don't think I played it last week, did I?
Because now I can't find it.
Well, it was a video of all the different times Netanyahu has come to the United States Congress, demanded regime change, and then got it without fail multiple times.
Here it is.
So, so this is a little context.
I believe this is the video.
This is a little context of what I'm talking about.
And it's important to see this and to understand how huge of a shift it was that they did not strike Iran at Netanyahu's behest.
And I can already see the people in the comments: oh, stop bashing Israel.
What are you talking about?
The Bible says I must stand with Israel.
You can call, I will open up the phone lines and you can call into the show and you can cite the Bible verse and you can tell me why I, as a Christian, have to support Israel.
I dare you to call in.
I bet you won't.
But I'll leave the phone.
I will open the phone lines for you to call in.
And by the way, I'm not, this isn't bashing Israel.
This is having a serious geopolitical foreign policy conversation.
It's amazing how you can't just have a serious foreign policy, geopolitical discussion, or debate or conversation.
People just say, oh, Israel bashing.
What are you talking about?
I criticize American politics every day.
I spend more time bashing American politics than I do anywhere else.
Do people call me anti-American?
Am I America bashing?
So stop it.
Stop it.
It's not logical.
It's not reasonable.
It's not consistent.
Stop it.
But I'll open the phone lines and you can call in and see how that goes for you.
But I think this, I think we have the video here.
I'm just going to, well, I can.
Yeah, okay.
So this video, this video will show all the different times Netanyahu has come to the United States Congress, asked for regime change, and got it.
But I don't even think this video has them all.
So I don't know if this is the video I want to play.
We were supposed to end foreign aid, and instead we've canceled all foreign aid and given Israel more foreign aid than ever before.
And for what reason?
Because they're our greatest ally.
What have they ever done for us?
What has Israel ever done for the United States of America except trick us into going to war in Iraq for weapons of mass destruction that weren't there?
How many people listening to this know people that died in those wars?
How many people listening to this know people that came back without an arm, without a leg, without their eyes, deaf, disturbed, deranged because of these wars?
No doubt he has weapons of mass destruction.
It was a lie.
This man should never be able to walk in the United States Congress ever again because of this.
Just the 2002 lie about weapons of mass destruction alone should make the United States people and the United States Congress never want to see Netanyahu's face ever in this country, ever again.
We should be disgusted, or we should force him to apologize before he gets another dime of our money.
But hey, they had Jeffrey Epstein.
They had the Maxwell blackmail operation.
So who knows what really goes on there?
Regardless, here's the point.
Let me bring it home.
The fact that Netanyahu did not get his strike on Iran is a huge sea change.
Just like every other country, he's gotten it from the United States since the 1980s.
And so I understand why people have a problem with Israel's influence, and it's so overwhelming.
It's absurd.
It's so obvious at this point.
It's ridiculous.
Anybody denying it is just blind or lying to you.
Now, you might like it.
You might like it for whatever political reasons or personal reasons.
But if you deny it's the case, then you're just abjectly lying or just blind.
But the fact that they didn't strike Iran at Netanyahu's behest, folks, tells you there's a major sea change.
Trust me.
Now, this is probably why Israel, now I'm looking at the situation with Waltz and Signal, and I'm starting to think at some way, shape, or form, they had an involvement in the whole thing to get the Trump administration off of Signal and on to telemessage so that they could spy on the Trump administration.
Walt's coordination with Netanyahu on Iran strike contributed to his firing.
That's the Times of Israel.
Last week, Trump waved off Israeli strike after divisions in his administration.
Israel developed plans for attacking Iran.
The administration stopped it.
So then you have the new thing.
U.S. bill to ban Israel boycotts faces right-wing backlash over free speech.
Allies of U.S. President Donald Trump voice opposition to a bipartisan proposal that would expand a law that punishes boycotting Israel.
Well, it's not just boycotting Israel.
You could face a million dollars in fines.
You could be imprisoned up to 20 years.
You're not even allowed to criticize APAC or engage in any speech that they could claim results.
It's like defamation.
So if you engage in some speech that criticizes Israel and then they don't get some deal or some weapons deal, then they can sue you and put you in prison.
And it didn't make it thanks to Thomas Massey and Marjorie Taylor Greene.
But if you go look, I think there were 10 sponsors of this bill.
I think it was five Republicans, five Democrats.
I think the number was $3 million combined, APAC money.
So I get, you know, people with Israel as their biggest issue and the Israel influence on our policy, foreign and domestic, big issue.
I get that.
Very accurate.
But as you can see, they didn't get the Iran strike.
They didn't get there banning any criticism of Israel, Bill.
So it's not all the way there.
Now, this puts us in a precarious situation, and you have to wonder how desperate Israel is.
Maybe actually more accurate how desperate Netanyahu is.
This is a man who is facing intense backlash in his own country.
This is a man many Orthodox Jews, if not most Orthodox Jews in Israel, have completely turned against him.
It's about a split in Israel as far as supporting Netanyahu now and not supporting Netanyahu in Israel.
Many people are fleeing Israel because they think Netanyahu is putting them in more danger than the country has ever been in.
And you have, well, he's firing all the generals that don't want all-out war with Iran at this point.
He's only keeping the voices around him that want full war with Iran.
So that's the situation Netanyahu is in.
And I think Netanyahu looks at this of he's trying, he's probably an extremely selfish, egotistical, maybe even psychotic maniac when you look at what's going on in Gaza.
I don't know how you couldn't claim that psychotic on behalf of the IDF, which, by the way, even inside the IDF, even a lot of the IDF soldiers are saying, we're done.
We're not doing this anymore.
It's too much.
I mean, what else is there to do?
They virtually leveled the whole thing.
And now the Trump, it's so bad now.
The Trump administration is doing everything they can to get food and water and aid into Gaza.
And Israel is trying to block them.
So it's really not going well for Netanyahu.
Now, you have the Israel propaganda all over the West media, all over X, all over conservative television news.
Obviously, it's all over.
And a lot of that is brainwashed boomers, but a lot of it's also bought and paid for as well.
But folks, I'm telling you, the fact that they didn't get their strike on Iran and the fact that they couldn't even get this bill onto the floor tells you they're losing their power and that the awareness of their influence is reaching a very high degree.
So what does a desperate Netanyahu do next?
Does he back off?
I doubt that, which makes it extremely dangerous.
Extremely.
Now, as far as this bill is concerned, they may have pulled it now.
I wish it part of me thinks now it should have gone for a vote so we can see who's actually Israel first and who's not with this vote, but they pulled it because they probably figured they didn't have the votes.
But here's what you need to watch out for.
When they get the big, beautiful bill that Trump wants, my congressional sources say it'll probably be August now.
They will shove that bill into the big, beautiful bill.
I would almost bet everything on it because the Republicans are going to have to pass that bill.
And if you look at the Republicans right now, if you look at the congressional Republicans, what have they done?
What have they done?
They have nothing.
They can't even impeach a judge.
They can barely get anything passed agenda-wise.
They can't codify any of Trump's executive orders.
The congressional Republicans have been toothless.
They've been worthless.
So they're going to have to get the big beautiful bill passed so they can pat themselves on the back and say, good job, me.
Good job, me.
So they're going to shove the Israel boycott bill, the anti-free speech bill, the you're not allowed to criticize Israel bill, the Israel is your daddy bill.
They're going to shove that into the big beautiful bill.
Guarantee they're going to shove it in there.
And that's how they plan to pass it now.
It was too obvious to do it as a standalone bill.
Support of Israel is, there hasn't been a stock market crash, but you know what is crashing?
They didn't want to bring it to the floor because maybe they didn't think they had the votes or it would be too obvious.
So they're going to shove it in the big beautiful bill.
I guarantee it.
I guarantee it they shove it into the big beautiful bill.
Now, whether it comes from the Republicans or Democrats, I don't know.
I could see Lawler wanting to do it because he's the one that authored this.
He's got so much money from AIPAC.
Plus, I think he wants to run for governor of New York, which has a large Jewish population.
So I think that might be his angle.
But I could also see the Democrats, and I think it was three of the five Democrats that sponsored it were also Jewish.
One of them is actually one of the better Democrats, Maskowitz.
He's actually not so bad.
But so that's who's going to bring this, the Big Beautiful bill.
And so the Democrats will say, and all it will just take a couple, just a small handful of Democrats to say, okay, so let's say it's the five Democrats that co-sponsored Lawler's bill, not allowed to criticize Israel bill.
Well, then the Democrats can come forward and say, okay, well, I'll tell you what, we will vote for this bill.
We'll vote for the big, beautiful bill, but you're going to put the Israel is your daddy bill into the big beautiful bill, and we'll vote for it, and it'll be guaranteed to pass.
And then who knows?
Even Schumer will probably vote for it.
APAC spends plenty of money at the Senate, too.
So whether it's the Democrats with the vote angle or the Republicans with their own agenda angle, they will put this into Trump's big beautiful bill, knowing that it has to pass.
And so I think that's where it goes from here.
But it's absolutely outrageous, all of it.
But you have to wonder what a desperate Netanyahu will do to finish the job in Gaza, which he basically came out and said the other day he doesn't care how many people die for Israel to take Gaza.
So Netanyahu's got a plan for Gaza.
Netanyahu may or may not be all in on the greater Israel plan.
I don't know.
But Netanyahu definitely has his plan, and he wants to go down in Israel's history as like the greatest leader of Israel, did the most things for Israel, everything else.
And by the way, I'm pretty sure Netanyahu was born in Poland and changed his name.
So why would, why would, if you're Jewish, why would you even want him to be that guy?
A European who grew up in America.
Why would you want that?
He's probably a CIA asset.
Milikowski is his real name.
If you're an Israeli Jew, why would you even want Netanyahu to do that?
The Orthodox Jews should run Israel.
That's what I believe.
The Orthodox Jews should run Israel.
Maybe the American Jews.
But there's some weird dynamic with that, and now everybody sees it.
But I think also, I don't think Netanyahu is a dumb person.
I think he's a very smart person.
And so I think he also knows that he's in a race against time right now.
He knows he's in a race against time right now, knowing that he might have five, 10 years max of Americans even wanting to have anything to do with Israel or supporting Israel.
So he's working against that clock, too.
So all these things considered, it's a very interesting time, isn't it?
I had people that said they wanted to call in on this issue that say I'm wrong, or I guess that disagree with me.
So I'll go ahead and I'll open the phone lines for you.
I'll do that here in a second.
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But no, to get into the Israel topic, Owen, I will say that, you know, I'm probably much more extreme on that topic than, you know, you would be willing to go, you know, because you, you, you know, I wouldn't say I disagree with you.
You know, you said, but the only thing I would say that I wouldn't, you, I would say you wouldn't go far enough is when you say that you don't believe that Israel runs the country or the Trump administration, where, you know, and I'm a fan of Trump, but I tend to believe that Israel not only runs the administration and the country, but practically the whole world.
But once again, I mean, I'll admit that I probably hold a very extremist view on that.
And I feel as though it's through some sort of large blackmail scheme that they just hold power over any kind of world leader or anybody of note.
And what's really frustrating to see with the people in the MAGA movement on the right with Israel is I know people personally that are great people and understand they get everything.
I mean, they get even with other, you know, geopolitical issues like, you know, they're against funding Ukraine.
They're against us getting into other wars.
They're against us aiding all these other countries.
But when it comes to Israel, it's almost like something in their brain shuts off.
I think it also, I mean, I believe that what you said is true, but I also think that it has to do with your upbringings in religion and spirituality.
You know, my parents are of boomer age.
And I don't know how else to say it without just saying it.
They were, they are very what you would label or what the mainstream would label as anti-Semitic and have been for their whole life.
They were raised very old school Catholic.
You know, they kind of grew up on the cusp of the Second Vatican Council.
And my grandma, who was of the World War II generation, was extremely anti-Jewish.
And she was so extremely conservative Catholic that she never really accepted the Second Vatican Council.
And I don't know if this is true or not because I don't really know too much about the history of the Catholic Church and things, but it seems to me as though the older generation Catholics seem to be much more anti-Jewish and viewed Jews almost as I don't know how to say it in a sound in a bad way,
but they viewed them almost as the curse people as opposed to the chosen people.
Yeah, it does seem to be a very bifurcated split there.
And I'm not really on either side of those aisles.
I think, I mean, from my experience, I've met plenty of American Jews and they're just like me.
They just want freedom and prosperity and to be left alone by the government.
So I don't really necessarily buy into any of those things.
I do think the fanatics get to a certain extreme, especially maybe the fanatics that have direct ties or profit from Israel.
But yeah, other than that, I don't really, I don't really buy into that extremism, but it's so prevalent now that it's got a force of gravity and it's an unavoidable conversation.
Yeah, I appreciate your call and always supporting the show.
I think, look, there's only one simple solution.
Well, you might say two.
And I think this is the most rational way about it.
And that is America has to completely decouple from the Middle East.
Now, that doesn't mean we have to be isolationists.
It just means financial ties, political ties need to be severed.
And we can still have diplomatic relations.
We can still do trade.
But political, financial, geopolitical ties severed, and we have to completely decouple from the region.
It's done nothing good for us.
It's only haunted us.
It's only made our lives worse.
And then I would say, if you want to come to America as a Jew or if you want to come to America as a Muslim or from anywhere in that part of the world, you have to drop all loyalties.
I never understood why American Jews feel any loyalty to Israel.
You're not an Israeli.
You're an American.
Now, there is one thing that's observable, I think, for the most part.
Generally speaking, I think that American Jews have assimilated to American culture more so than American Muslims.
But I would say if you want to live here, you should be America first and America only.
So if you want to live here and be a worshiping Muslim, that's fine.
You're an American.
You should care about America.
If you're a Jew and you want to live here, fine.
You should be America first, America only.
Israel is not your country.
It's not your home country.
You shouldn't have any loyalties to Israel.
I think both of those things are perfectly reasonable and rational.
Next caller, what's your name?
Where are you from?
Yeah, yeah, turn off your radio so I can hear you.
Yeah, we had I believe all these power groups don't have our interests at mind.
And it's just a divide.
It's just a divide and conquer.
What we need to do is somehow get those people who are protesting on the left to start to see what we have on the right and have these people come together.
And that's when the big shift will happen.
And I have a feeling that's on its way.
And what you do by making that separation between Orthodox Jews, which are in turn, persecuted by the European Jews.
And in Canada and Montreal, they persecuted the heck out of the Orthodox.
I don't, I don't have any, I'm not, I'm not Jewish.
I have no ties to any Judaism at all.
I, I mean, the only ties I would have to any Jews are just American Jews that I grew up friends with or whatever that I know now.
Uh, but yeah, to me, it is funny to witness how like the European Jews are like the most anti-Orthodox Jews.
And the most really to me, the European Jews are like they're the most what would the word be I don't know what the aggressive, it's beyond aggressive.
Entitled, maybe, I think entitled might be a good one for it.
Yeah, but it's like they don't even want you to talk about it.
Like, you can talk to Orthodox Jews or like real practicing believing Jews, and they can have a real conversation with you.
But you talk to like these European Jews.
No, they feel entitled to be the claim to the holiest bloodline and the special chosen people.
And it's just like, okay.
unidentified
Exactly, because those Jews are satanic, and whereas the Orthodox are just people who want to exist.
So yeah, we get plenty of that here in America as well.
Most, I think most Indian Americans vote Republican, though.
I don't know.
I see a lot of there's a lot of this, and really it's white tribalism.
So I get it.
It's just a pendulum.
It's just the law of human averages with white tribalism on the rise now.
I'm not really a tribal person at all, per se.
I'm loyal to my friends.
But the white tribalism is certainly on the rise.
And so there's a lot of like anti-Indian stuff in the white in the white tribalism rise right now, which again, I get why it's a phenomenon.
And I can't say I'm against it because how could I be against it when every other every other group on the face of the earth gets to be tribal except white people?
I just don't, I don't, I don't go into that world other than I guess being white.
But, you know, they give Indians a hard time.
Most Indians that move to America assimilate pretty well and also vote for American values and tradition.
So I mean, it's kind of a funny meme, but I think, you know, politically speaking, Indian Americans are kind of on the side of the whites.
We are going to have, we're going to have a successful economy.
That's going to happen.
We're going to have, I think, an American industrial revolution, energy revolution.
I do think that's going to happen.
So those things will happen.
Trump can't do everything.
You know, I think the Israel issue with Trump is very complex.
He's got a lot of Israel firsters that are in his ear every day.
It is a long history of foreign relations with Israel that I don't think Trump can just toss over the side.
But these are all issues that are open for discussion.
I will say this.
You know, I, over the years, have kind of learned that, you know, well, I'll boil it down like this.
My favorite prayer is the serenity prayer.
And it goes like this.
God grant me the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
And that's that's an abridged version.
But my point is that if Israel is really this evil operator against America and against Christianity or even the white man, as some people claim, which is ironic because most Jews are white.
But regardless of that conversation, then what's happening right now is Israel is being exposed.
I mean, you've never seen a geopolitical phenomenon like what you're seeing right now as far as our relations with Israel.
I mean, there's always been debates about it.
It's always been a very contentious topic, but there's never been this gigantic movement against Israel's influence on America.
Not in my lifetime.
It's not going anywhere.
It's only going to get bigger.
It's only going to reach a threshold where Israel's time as being our greatest ally or considered our greatest ally.
Everybody tries to judge Trump at face value or judge Trump on a like a movement by movement basis.
And you cannot do that.
Things, the thing, it's not like I don't buy into this whole 5D chess thing.
That's not what I'm saying.
But I'm saying the things that Trump does are always, there's always something else going on.
And so like when he comes out, like people saw, he said that thing about striking Iran, he's not going to strike Iran.
It's not, it's not him saying he's, he's doing the geopolitics.
He's the bull in the China shop.
He's rattling the sabers.
He's rattling the cage.
And then that's how he gets everybody off edge so that he can get what he wants done.
Trump likes to, Trump likes to put everyone on their heels except Trump.
So when he says and does things and people go crazy, that's what he wants.
So you can't look at Trump on a move-by-move basis.
You have to wait and see the results.
So I'm not saying you can't criticize Trump.
I'm just saying when people rush to judgment or rush to conclusion or rush to this different coverage over the things he says and does, you have to wait and look at the bigger picture and understand how Trump operates.
And I've been covering Trump long enough.
I think I do a pretty good job at that.
Again, not to say he's not above criticism, not to say that MAGA has changed, but I think that people tend to kind of have this reactionary response to Trump.
And you have to understand that's exactly what he wants.
I mean, well, you're going to have the same voices that'll call it out.
You know, I would also say, I don't know if it's reached the threshold, but I'm telling you this: there are members of Congress that see this conversation and they don't want to be labeled as one of these Israeli firsters.
And some of them have probably, some of them have probably even taken APAC money because why wouldn't you?
Everybody does it.
So it's just kind of like, yeah, whatever.
But now that it's such a political issue, they don't want to fall into that category.
And so there's actually a very heightened sense of awareness of this situation in DC now.
And so we'll have to see.
I do predict they'll shove it into that bill.
I think that's like 98.9% chance.
That's how it goes down.
And they'll shove it in.
And then what you'll see is the same voices that called it out this time and the same voices that called out the wasteful spending in the continued resolution last Christmas will raise the alarm.
And then we can test the pushback and see how it goes.
But I think, yeah, I think we're about to have, if you will, the political unstoppable force meeting the immovable object.
The unstoppable force, meaning the America First movement that is that is sick of all the Israeli influence, and then the unstoppable force, which is the Israel, or excuse me, the immovable object, which is the Israeli influence.
So I think you're about to see the unstoppable force, America first, versus the immovable object, the Israel influence.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it's gonna be a tough one because, I mean, that is exactly what we're gonna face when it comes to our political situation right now.
But here's the other thing I say: here's the other thing I say to people, too, and I think it's worth mentioning.
When you talk about political corruption, whether you like Israel or not, that is like the top level of political corruption.
And so I look at it like if we can't, if we can't even get our heads on straight enough to defeat the Democrat Party and the radical left, then we'll never be able to defeat the incredible operation and political infrastructure that Israel runs against our country.
If we can't defeat, if we can't defeat, if we can't defeat the retards of the left, if we can't defeat the Democrat criminals of the left, if we can't defeat the party of death, the Democrats, then, you know, that's like, that's like level one of what we have to do.
And then we can kind of rally and reunite behind that and discuss other issues beyond that.
But that's like level one to me.
That's that's level one, most obvious beginning, beginner level politics is defeating the radical left and the Democrat Party.
Then you can move on to some of these other more complex issues.
That's how I see it.
Maybe other people don't agree with that analysis, but that's kind of how I line it up.
Now, I notice, and I'm not surprised, it's always this way.
The people in the chat disagreeing and calling me names and all this stuff, they never call in.
I'm not sure what you ask me a more direct question.
I'm not sure.
unidentified
I got you.
I got you.
So like, I mean, as a whole, as the American population starts to kind of wake up to that, especially the evangelical Christian, you know, as far as them, you know, us in the Bible and stuff like that.
You talked about callers calling in and try to find a verse that I think that's the biggest thing.
I guess that's to narrow it down is the people around me in my area such a big supporter of Israel.
So I think that, and maybe this is what Trump thinks too.
You know, I don't think, I don't know if you can face this beast head on right now.
Again, I go back to what I said to the last caller.
I think that you have, if we, right now, we have to defeat the Democrats and put the radical political left to bed.
They need to be retired politically.
We should never have to deal with the Democrat Party ever again.
And then I think the Israel deal comes up for renegotiation 2028.
And at that point, I would just not sign another deal with Israel.
I would just stop funding Israel.
And then you, so if you, if you stop the next funding of Israel deal, which they've had more foreign aid than any other country combined from the United States since World War II, so you just don't sign the next foreign aid bill with Israel, which only goes one direction, us giving them money and military support, never goes both directions.
And don't give me this crap of, oh, Israel does all this.
Shut up.
Just stop.
Just stop it.
We don't need Israel.
Israel needs us.
Just stop.
Please just skip over me with that absolute ludicrous idea.
Just look at how the Iran strike didn't happen when U.S. said we're not involved.
So I would just not sign the next funding of Israel bill.
And I mean, if you really wanted to go farther, just stop APAC's funding, make them register as a foreign lobbyist group or just stop their funding altogether in one way, shape, or form.
You could just do a general ban on lobbying and funding like that, or you could just say APAC has to register.
But that'd be it.
It doesn't have to be some struggle session.
It doesn't have to be some big knockdown drag out fight.
We just say, you know what?
We've had these relations.
Maybe we don't think they've gone so well.
We think we've done enough for you as far as foreign aid and military support is concerned.
We think your influence in our politics has just gotten a little much here.
So we're just going to go ahead and we're just going to knock all that off.
We can still be friends, but have a nice day.
And I think that's all.
I think that's it.
I think that that's really, I don't think it has to be some big knockdown drag out.
I think it can just be a nice, let's finish the deal we have.
Yeah, no, I've been listening to the conversation.
And yeah, I mean, interesting times we live in.
You know, I know I look at kind of the folks from Israel as kind of the bagman of Satan just because, you know, they have such influence in our politics, in our culture.
I mean, it's all over the place.
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unidentified
And it's so easy to go ahead and dismiss that group by saying, well, you're, you know, you're racist, you're blah, blah, blah, you know, all the labels.
You got to be careful about those generalizations because you don't want the people in the Middle East to think that you supported all the Bush wars, all the Obama bombings.
You know what I'm saying?
Not everybody in Israel likes Netanyahu.
Not everybody in Israel likes what the IDF does.
unidentified
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
But I mean, if we could be honest, I mean, with the Middle East and explain to them, listen, we've been duped like everybody else here in the United States, you know, for years, for decades, for generations.
We've been told that you people are terrorists.
And who's been telling us this entire time?
The people that hate you, you know, the people that are embedded in our government that have been there for decades, you know, and it has.
It's been there forever.
Going back to Kennedy, go even further back.
I mean, like even before I was alive, I'm only 47 years old.
And these guys have been intertwined in our government for so long.
Even what was it?
What's his name?
Nixon.
Nixon was, you know, we've got voice, you know, evidence of him talking about this influence in our government.
And it's just, it's never ended.
And why does it never end?
It's because they've latched on to the biblical Christian belief.
You know, the old school Bible, which was, what was it, the Schofield Bible that talked about the chosen people, right?
The chosen people, God's going to favor your country as long as you do everything that they say.
These are not the chosen people.
That's what sucks about this whole thing is that Christians have been duped for years, for decades, generations about supporting this group of people that are not the original Israelites of the Bible.
And it has to stop.
It's garbage.
It's false doctrine and it's causing a lot of death in this world.
Well, I mean, we could have interpretations of the Bible.
My interpretation is that Jesus came and said that all of the people are God's chosen people.
That was Jesus's message.
And that's ultimately why at that time, the political Jews wanted him dead because he threatened their political power.
So they're the ones that had him killed, while some Jews believed he was the Messiah.
So, you know, that's my interpretation of that.
And then, you know, what's even crazier about what you said, and I thank you for the call.
I want to get to some other calls because the lines keep lighting up.
It's ironic, but it's just true.
Most of these people, I can't really say, I can't really categorize it, but I mean, the Palestinians are more Semitic than most of these people that you see in America claiming to be Israel first Jews.
The Palestinians are more Semitic, maybe even than the average Israeli Jew.
So it's kind of this ironic thing that you're dealing with.
And it's like, oh, they claim they're the holy people or whatever.
But it's like the Palestinians are just as tied into that region, if not more so, than the modern day Jews.
And who knows what blackmail or power Israel even has over, I mean, I don't even want to say Trump per se, but just American politics in general.
It might not even have to do anything with Trump personally, but just other politicians and other things.
And it's just like, okay, you know, kind of back off a little bit.
But I put it like this.
Israel is like Black Lives Matter for conservatives.
And that's what it is.
It's Black Lives Matter for conservatives.
And you can tell with this new whole woke right debate, what does the left do when you try to debate them?
Well, the woke left calls you names, insults you, and then by that just discounts your argument.
Well, so does the woke right when you try to talk about Israel.
Oh, you're an anti-Semite.
You know, so it's all the same thing.
Oh, you're woke right.
No, you're woke.
No, Israel is Black Lives Matter for conservatives, except it's much more well organized, much more well-funded, and much more deep-rooted in American politics.
unidentified
100%, 100%.
You know, and like, and it's gone back for a long time, you know, like the nuclear bomb secrets were stolen as a mossad operation and given to Russia.
Like, imagine how the U.S. would be if we were the only one with the atomic bomb.
We'd be owning the join up in here.
And, you know, Russia gave it to China.
But like, it's mind-blowing for me that people don't recognize the propaganda and subversion that's critically against Christians.
It's an attack on Christianity because we're number one right now.
We went from being in caves and candlelight to now being the dominant religion.
I'll tell you, I don't lean too much into this topic.
I just don't really care to.
But there's no doubt that the European white Christian world is under assault unlike anywhere else on the planet.
That is just true.
And it's really unfortunate for the world because what the white Christian world has done is advanced the globe in the modern age more so than any other civilization.
And it's not even close.
And now they're basically being wiped out of the civilization they built.
And they're told they're not even allowed to have a fuss about it.
So it's not really something I lean into or cover, but I mean, it's definitely very real.
Yeah, I'd just like to discuss just about the whole Israel thing.
I'd like to say, you know, it's, yeah, it wasn't Zionists that were kicked out of 109 nations 1,637 times.
It's kind of, you know, staring us in the face a bit what it is, you know, with Hais, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, who were the heads of all the vaccine companies, who were the head of the FDA, the CDC, who's the head of the Federal Reserve, who's the head of all of the groups trying to silence our free speech right now.
It's kind of, it's staring us in the face, don't you think?
I think that when a Jewish person gets into a position of power like that, they will only ever give that position to another Jew.
And I don't think there's, I don't think there's any other, maybe blacks in America, but I don't even know if you could say that.
So I think that's the problem.
When Christians, when white Christians get into a position of power, they give it down to anybody.
They don't really think about it from a tribal nature.
Probably the same thing with black people.
I don't know too much about the Islamic world with that.
I think that's all inherently Islamic followers and worshipers anyway.
So I don't even know if there was anybody that would even come into a position like that.
But I think that's what it is.
I think a lot of these companies or institutions that you're naming, I think once a person of Jewish heritage gets that position of power, they make sure it never goes to anybody else.
And so I think that that's the phenomenon.
unidentified
I was going to say, like, and it's mandated, isn't it?
A Talmud, isn't it, to destroy Amalek and the Goyim?
It's their religious mandate to destroy us whenever possible.
My point is that not every person that's Jewish actually believes probably or practices everything that's from the Talmud or any of their religious books, just like every Catholic or Christian have a believer or loyal to all the different doctrine.
unidentified
Well, I don't believe in anything from the Second Vatican Council since the Jews took it over in 1956.
You could read about Father Morris Pine in his book, The Plot Against the Church, where it discusses 2,000 years of crimes against our people, not to mention the letter of Constantinople 1489, which talks about their methods of eking out little methods of breaking within our strongholds.
And it was the Catholic Church originally that held them back for so long.
Don't forget it was them that opened the gates of Toledo to the Muslims to allow them to invade Europe to begin with.
And destroying our church from inside was their way that they opened the gates once again for this flood that we have right now of this myriad of enemies.
Because, and maybe you might want to just, you might want to take this a different direction, and that's fine.
But I'm saying, why would Israel want to do harm to the United States when it has to know at this point its very livelihood could depend on the United States?
unidentified
Well, there's that video you could watch of Benjamin Netanyahu himself saying in 2006 in front of the American Congress and his own Senate, well, I forgot the name of it in Israel, when he said, America is like our rotten animal.
We will bleed it until the very last pod of blood can come from it.
We will gather blood from if America collapses, what does Israel do?
unidentified
It will move to China.
That's why they set up all of their original foundations there and they're moving over from the Federal Reserve over to the Chinese one.
They're using Bitcoin as a subsidiary in the meantime and hiding all the money into gold, which they've stole from the West, transferring, using Israel as a central point, and then moving it over to China because through Henry Kissinger, the Jew and all the other people involved through Mao Stylist China, which was all funded originally through the communistic Jews, they're moving all the finance and sapping it from the West, just exactly as Netanyahu said, bleeding us like a stone and transferring all of our finance over for their new world of Tikuna Lam.
So Israel is going to ride the collapse of the United States into China?
unidentified
Jews, not just uh, Israel.
Israel is just a financial point and a checkpoint.
Tel Aviv, uh, what's I call it?
Rothschild Boulevard.
You'll find most of their buildings there: Black Rock, Vanguard, Jewish, Jewish, all of these other subsidiary groups, State Street, Jewish, all of them.
Once the Federal Reserve collapses, they'll devolve us into civil war conditions.
As they've said themselves, they'll create a racial divide and hatred between each of the nations and let us kill ourselves while they set up shop again in China.
Meanwhile, they've killed off all the native white Christian Europeans in Ukraine, conducting their holiday war too.
And then the West is providing them with weapons against.
That's a distinguishable, I mean, that's a distinguishable trait for you know, any group potentially is you know, certain things, they have thin skin on their palms from the rubbing.
unidentified
they have they have a lot of cod liver oil they have to take because their hips are wearing out from the rocking backwards and forwards which i think is from inbreeding to be honest But uh, I'm not sure.
And well, I think I'm thinking, you know, I'm happy that you're talking about it, though, in because I think, you know, all of these things have to be looked into.
So it's okay to have these political conversations.
But, I mean, you're not going to convince me that a Jewish person is inherently bad.
If you want to talk about stereotypes, fine.
If you want to talk about even genetic disposition, fine.
I do believe that there's a reason why stereotypes exist.
And I even believe in genetic disposition as well.
I think that there's reality to that.
I think it's proof.
I think there's proof in the world around us.
But this demonization of people that have nothing to do with any of this activity we have a problem with is just and that's where you're going to lose the debate, by the way.
So even if you disagree with me on the material, you will, that's where you will lose the debate ultimately.
And so you got to be smart.
You got to be smart.
Yeah, well, yeah, all the money from APAC.
You know what?
I'm going to tell you.
You know how much political money I turned down, actually?
You're probably looking and listening at maybe the realest person in media.
No, but the whole store, the whole store is up because here's what's going to happen.
I may decide to reopen some of these things, but it's likely most of this stuff is only going to be up for this week, and then it's going to go down.
And we'll probably just go back to limited items, like some of the newer stuff, like my Golf of America sweatshirt that I'm wearing.
The USA-themed stuff, these will definitely stay.
The rest of it, I don't know.
Tinfoil hat will probably stay, but the rest of this stuff, I don't know, folks.
The Bison Tinquinial stuff, I guess that's still in season.
So, but here's what's going to happen: the whole store is going to be up this week, and then we're going to clear it out again for next Monday's broadcast.
And I'm going to bring some summer-themed stuff, and we're going to bring back the new apparel in women's.
So, I apologize to the women that we have not had the female apparel in our new stuff.
So, we're going to bring back the female apparel, and then I'm going to have something summer-themed launched next Monday as well, maybe a tank top or something.
But the whole store is available for this week and this week only.
So, if there's stuff there from the past that you want to get, now is now the time to do it.
Yeah, we're taking ideas right now for anything.
What would be a Jewish-themed anything that we could get?
We want to be fair here, and we could do a Muslim thing too, just a big black box in the middle of it, maybe something like that.
We could do a Hindu theme with like the eight-armed, you know, dealio or maybe an elephant or something.
Yeah, we're yeah, I'm taking advice from the chat right now.
I've actually wanted, I've actually wanted to do like a shirt that actually says, I hate white people or something, because I think it would be funny.
But then it's like you kind of got to do it.
It would probably sell too, actually.
From a sheer capitalistic perspective, you know, I hate whites would probably sell.
But you could do it for each group.
It's like I could do, I could do it like a theme for each group and then see what sells the most.
I will.
I will.
I promise you.
We have the whole store open, but then next Monday, we're going to have something summer-themed, and we're going to make sure that our new apparel comes in women's as well.