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Jan. 28, 2025 - Owen Shroyer Live

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OSL 94 - Am I Being Censored On X?

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	Oh my god.
	All right.
	Y'all, I am sorry for the delay.
	As you can see, we have a new look here.
	We had um some massive issues getting online tonight.
	All right.
	I'm just gonna leave it at that.
	We had some uh massive issues.
	But here we are, we got it all figured out, and uh it's good.
	It's good.
	Built this new studio, and um whenever you deal with a new studio, you go through all types of uh issues that you gotta get figured out.
	So that's all it is.
	All right, we are live, ladies and gentlemen, coming to you through the hell else is going on here.
	Thank you.
	The Owen dot gold microphone.
	What is this?
	What is what is what is going on here?
	Did you just see that?
	Man.
	I don't like that.
	With the moment that's good.
	There we go.
	There it is.
	Oh and not gold microphone.
	All right.
	Good lord tonight.
	There we go.
	All right.
	All right, are we having fun or what?
	We got it all figured out now.
	All right, so here's the deal.
	You can say it to me lazily.
	Even though we say that, it may never go back to the way that it was.
	Never go back.
	Never go back.
	You never go back to the way it was.
	It's over now.
	Don't walk away when the life is gone.
	All right, so here's the deal.
	I um complicated, I I contemplated even covering this tonight.
	But I'm gonna bring the receipts.
	I'm gonna bring the receipts so you guys can see what I'm talking about without a doubt.
	Now, if you recall, and I think guys, breaking news.
	I'm dead serious.
	Breaking news.
	Democrat Party spokesperson Cardi B wants you to know she got her butt crack pierced.
	Way to go.
	So that Kamala Harris money has paid for Cardi B's butthole piercing.
	What does that even mean?
	You got your butt crack pierced.
	I don't want to know.
	Don't answer that.
	No idea.
	Don't want to know.
	So, if you recall some time ago, I kind of broke into the story, and I'm not the only one that covered it, obviously, but I was amongst let's say the bigger names covering it.
	And I know why people don't want to cover it.
	It's for the same reason.
	I hesitate to even cover this tonight.
	And that is censorship on X. So you might debate or not whether there's censorship on X. And really, it's just a matter of it's just a matter of semantics.
	But they admit...
	...
	They admit, as they call it, you have freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.
	And so that's basically admitting that they can engage in curation on X. And that is 100% going on.
	And I've got the total proof.
	Now I think I'm going to open up an X spaces and maybe get some other people to comment on this.
	But I will tell you right now.
	If you don't, if you don't get notifications to my posts, you will not see my posts.
	And I've got enough data and I've and I've been through it now for almost a month.
	In fact, it is now a month.
	My shadow banning has been going on for a month that I I know exactly what's going on.
	And my guess is this is what's happening to other people too, but I can't live through their X accounts.
	I can only live through mine, and I haven't done a bunch of data farming for this issue like I did for the payouts.
	So it's a little bit different.
	But I can tell you 100% without a doubt, I am being shadow banned, or I don't have freedom of reach.
	I have freedom of speech, I don't have freedom of reach.
	And if you follow my account and you're hearing this and you're seeing this, ask yourself, do you ever see any of my posts anymore?
	And I've consulted with other social media export uh experts, I've consulted with my social media team, and they have have not wanted to admit it, and now they have to admit it after I've been telling them for a month, they're like, okay, yeah, you're just you're completely buried, no idea what's going on.
	Now understand, I I'm not complaining.
	My my biggest platform is InfoWars anyway.
	I've had to live without social media for years in the past, and all I've had is InfoWars.
	Now they're trying to shut down too, but I'm still on InfoWars every day.
	So I still have my biggest flat uh platform.
	I still have the biggest free speech platform for me, which is InfoWars and the show I do there.
	And we have banned.video and we're syndicated on radio, we're syndicated on TV.
	So I'm still reaching my audience where my audience goes to find my content.
	But on X, totally shadow banned, and I'll show you the numbers, and we know the exact date, and we know exactly what's happening now.
	I don't do this for me.
	I don't do this for me.
	Now, maybe someday it might impact me more.
	I don't rely on X for a paycheck.
	I never want to be in a situation where I rely on X for a paycheck, but it's a bigger story when it comes to what are we really dealing with on what is the most free speech platform in the world, X, but is it truly free speech?
	Is it truly a level playing field?
	And I do this because there are other people who've wanted me to comment about this now.
	There are other people who are noticing similar things that I've noticed or are going through similar things that I'm going through.
	But I would say after a month of this, I can pretty much nail down exactly what's going on, at least as far as I can just tell from user experience and data and analytics.
	I can't look behind the curtain.
	I don't know what the algorithm did to my account a month ago, but I can show you the results beyond a reasonable doubt.
	I've consulted with my social media people, and they say, yep, 100%, you're you're shadow banned.
	Absolutely.
	It's without a doubt.
	And they've hesitated, they've never wanted to admit it.
	Now they have to be like, yeah, okay, it's true.
	So why don't we just start in the beginning then?
	And then I'll show you where we're at today.
	Yeah, let's do it like this.
	Let's do it like this.
	I'm never gonna not bring the receipts, and then I'm gonna open up an X spaces, and we'll see if other people want to comment on this.
	In fact, really, I should probably just open up the X spaces right now.
	It'll probably be more wise to do that.
	So let me actually do that.
	So that way this is documented in the spaces as well.
	How do you start in X spaces?
	How do you start in X spaces?
	I've done this before.
	Can you start an X Basis on your computer?
	why don't i see the option That's weird.
	Can you not do X Spaces on a computer anymore?
	Does it have to be on your phone now?
	I think it does.
	Wait a second.
	Here we go.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	All right.
	All right.
	The Spaces is now live.
	And I will start taking other people there after I get into my explainer here.
	Because I know I'm not the only one that's dealing with this.
	All right.
	Okay, everybody, welcome to my spaces tonight.
	It is nine o'clock January twenty-seventh, nine o'clock central, January 27th, 2025.
	I want to I want everybody in the spaces.
	Just hold on a second, guys.
	I want everybody in the spaces to get my opening remarks here before I start taking other speakers.
	Because I want everybody to know what's going on.
	Now, if you're in the spaces, just know that I'm live on video right now on X and also on my rumble at rumble.com slash Owen.
	Once I show the people what it is I'm talking about, because I've brought the proof, once I show the people what it is I'm talking about, I will then open up the spaces for other speakers.
	So just be patient with me now.
	And I'd like to get some other big accounts in here who may have been going through all of this as well.
	But let me let me first just show the raw data.
	Okay.
	So here we go.
	So this is you can see the dates right here.
	December 17th to January 13th.
	Now this is over Christmas, right here, obviously, when I really didn't tweet much.
	I did not post much.
	Um so that's kind of this gap you see right here.
	And really, it was kind of a slower week, but when I was posting, which was which was right here and right here, obviously I did well.
	So posted, posted a little bit in here, and then and then did really well here.
	Now this was the H1B visa debate postings right here.
	Now, these are just raw impressions.
	These are the H1B visa posts.
	So obviously I did really well.
	This was like an average, this was like an average week, would be like right here.
	I did really well on the H1B visas.
	And then notice what happens immediately after that.
	Bing.
	Now what literally happened that I can tell you what happened was without any explanation from X, I lost my verification.
	I lost my badge, and I lost my cream premium account status.
	So being de-boosted under those ramifications would make sense because they boost you if you pay for verified, they boost you if you have a badge, they boost you if you pay for premium.
	Okay.
	But as you can see, I did well on the H1B visa, and then this is the day right here where I lost everything without any explanation from X. I lost all my status.
	And as you can see, the rest is history to the point where I'm just completely buried right there.
	Now let's just continue with another visual here.
	So again, same phenomenon.
	Normal, normal activity, H1B, censored, fallen off the map to virtually nothing.
	Now, this screenshot was taken two weeks ago.
	But clearly you can see my account has been completely suppressed after the H1B visa debate.
	Now, whether that has anything to do with it, whether it's when I was debadged, de-verified, and de-premiumed, and that just never clicked back in once I got it all back, I don't know.
	I'm just, I'm just showing you what's going on here with the evidence.
	Now, this was the same time frame.
	This was the same time frame that I just showed you from earlier, from the two weeks where I was where I was there and doing well, and then the H1B visa and then and then the censorship afterwards.
	That's where this data comes from.
	Okay.
	Excuse me.
	So there you go.
	Down 60% impressions.
	Engagement rate isn't down because I'm still on there posting like normal.
	Profile visits aren't down that much because people are still going to visit my profile.
	But the engagements and the impressions are completely destroyed.
	Reboosts completely destroyed.
	Shares and bookmarks completely destroyed.
	Likes completely crushed.
	And that's all because nobody sees my posts anymore.
	It's the only reason.
	Posting the same content, posting the same amount, just nobody sees it.
	And I know what's going on, but let me give you one last visual.
	And this is from yesterday.
	This is from yesterday.
	So this is this is everything since I was debadged, de-verified, and de-premiumed.
	I have gotten all of that back.
	But just so you see what has happened to my account since then, as of as the proof, as the evidence that this is what I'm talking about.
	So here you go.
	I actually gained verified followers, but I'm now losing followers.
	I'm capped at 279.
	I gain followers every day, but my account never goes up.
	Down 85% impressions, down 86% engagements.
	Again, engagement rate's still there because I'm still on there every day.
	I'm still on there every day doing my thing.
	Profile visits down 81%.
	Replies down 68%.
	Repos down 77%.
	Likes down 76%.
	Bookmarks down almost 100%.
	Shares down 90%.
	All of this has happened since the H1B visa debate.
	All of this has happened since I was debadged, de-verified, and de-premiumed without any explanation.
	None.
	So I don't know why I'm being suppressed.
	I don't know why I'm being shadow banned.
	I have no idea, but there's your proof.
	100% without a doubt.
	And you can go look at My account and I know exactly what's happening now because I've lived it enough.
	So here's what's happening to my account.
	I can only speak for myself.
	I can look at anybody's data and compare it to mine and have the same questions.
	But I can't say for certain why whatever is happening to them is happening because I'm I can only experience it through my own account.
	But here's what's happening to me.
	You will not see my post unless you are online scrolling your feed when I post it.
	So when I post something, all my numbers go up like normal.
	So I post something, the numbers usually get up to about 6,000, 6,000 impressions or views, whatever it is.
	And then it flatlines.
	Because when I post it, all my followers are there and they see it, and then it never gets boosted, never gets re never gets into the feed, never gets put in the for you.
	You know how sometimes people you follow, their posts will post up again, even if it was from a day ago or whatever, if it's a good post, if it's popular.
	Never.
	Never.
	Never happens for me.
	I post once, you see it once, that's it.
	And if you're not online when I post it, you'll never see it.
	If you don't go to my profile, you'll never see it.
	If you're not a highly active engage engager with me, you'll never see it.
	So that's why I'm saying if you want to see my posts, you have to click the notification button.
	You have to get alerts when I post, or you will never see my posts.
	Period.
	And I bet you, if everybody listening to this puts their notification on my post, I bet you my views will go up.
	But you can see people in the chat right here.
	They're saying, I never see your post anymore.
	Folks, I've talked into other people.
	I'm I'm telling you, again, I don't like talking about this.
	I don't like sounding like I'm complaining.
	I don't like risk complaining and then getting even more shadow banned than I already am for not bowing down to the algorithm, bowing down to the algorithm gods.
	But this is really happening.
	And I have all the proof.
	And anybody who follows me knows that this is what's going on.
	You will never see my posts.
	You either have to go to my profile or you have to have the notifications on for every time I post.
	Otherwise, you'll never see my posts.
	Never.
	Now, why am I being shadow banned?
	I don't know.
	Does it have something to do with the H1B debates that I did well during?
	I don't know.
	Is it that the algorithm has never corrected the issue from when I got de verified, de-badged, and depremiumed?
	And it's just, I'm still in that status, even though I got all of that back.
	I don't know.
	I'm showing you what I do know.
	I'm telling you what I do know, and I'm showing you the proof.
	So again, I this is not about me.
	I have a platform.
	I have InfoWars.
	I'm live every day.
	That's my biggest audience.
	That's where most of my people go that want to see my content.
	That's where they go is to the war room on InfoWars that I host every day.
	So that's the most important platform to me.
	I mean, I have to pray to God it's there every day.
	It might not be.
	They're in the process of trying to shut it down.
	Hopefully they fail.
	I don't know.
	But I'm still there every day.
	But if that shuts down and I have to rely on X, I'll be crushed.
	I'll be crushed, as you can see.
	I reach on average now, 1% of my followers.
	One percent.
	Now you can go look at the public data and go look at what my account used to do before Christmas and then look at after Christmas.
	That's the H1B visa debate, and then deferified, debadged and depremiumed, and you can see for yourself.
	Even the public available data will show you my account has been shadow banned.
	So freedom of speech is not freedom of reach.
	I don't get freedom of reach on this platform.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Is it a bug in the system?
	Is it targeting from somebody that runs the system?
	I do not know.
	But I'm telling you what's going on, and I'm sharing the data with you to prove it.
	Now, I've got a lot of people in here that want to comment on this, including one person I was talking to earlier today about something else.
	She doesn't have to comment on that.
	She can caught she can comment on this tonight.
	Uh, And that's Laura Loomer.
	So anybody else who wants to get involved here, go ahead and request to speak.
	Hold on a second, Laura.
	Hold on a second.
	I I've got you muted on my end.
	Just give me a second here.
	So anybody else that wants to weigh in on this, we got a couple of other heavy hitters in here.
	If you guys request to speak, um, I will bring you on.
	I I want to get some of the heavier hitters take on this that have big accounts to see what they've noticed, like Laura, who has been through a similar process as I have dealing with censorship.
	And then also the same thing happened to her ex account a month ago that happened to mine without any explanation.
	All right, Laura, go ahead.
	Thanks, Owen.
	Yeah, I reached out to you this morning because I saw a video you had posted, and um I agree with you.
	I mean, obviously, my account is bigger than yours.
	However, the same exact thing, if you were we were to compare analytics is happening to my account.
	And I didn't really want to post my screenshot of my analytics because I feel like people hold that against you.
	But um, I finally just, you know, had enough of it because I have reached out to X for an entire month now and not heard back from Premium, haven't heard back from the verified account.
	I haven't heard back from support.
	I even uh tracked down Linda Yakarino's email address and personally emailed Linda Yakarino.
	Okay.
	I sent her several emails and have not heard back, even though I was super respectful.
	And the exact same thing has happened to my account, except I've had a decrease in 80% engagement.
	And uh basically Wow, so that's that's literally that's literally the same number that that I have.
	Yeah, it's 80%.
	And you can pull up the screenshots if you uh go to the media section on my Twitter, because I know you're doing video right now too.
	I actually posted the screenshots.
	So if you scroll down and you uh go to media, you can probably see the graphic.
	I posted it yesterday.
	Uh, but you can see that my engagement is down by over 80%.
	In fact, I'll just pull it up right now and just read you the number of.
	Yeah, I've got it on the screen.
	So go ahead.
	So over the last three months, right?
	Um, I was averaging about uh 500 million impressions per month.
	That's uh my average, right?
	I got 500 million impressions per month.
	I gain about 30 to 40,000 followers per month.
	And, you know, I had ad revenue and I also had subscribers.
	So I uh my six right after the H1B debate, which was Christmas, I realized that my blue check mark had been taken away.
	Then what happened was uh all of my subscribers were notified, and I had about 2,000 subscribers, and you can do the math on that, right?
	So 2,000 subscribers who are paying seven dollars a month, and Twitter takes about 20% of that.
	But you know, I'm an independent journalist.
	You get a salary from InfoWars, right?
	Like I don't work for hold on, hold on one second.
	What you were saying that was your normal bi-weekly payout was what?
	No, it was once a month.
	So you get paid once a month for your subscribers.
	So which is different.
	Okay, that's different than the I had ad revenue as well.
	So my subscriber payout was higher than my ad revenue, but regardless, I still had some ad revenue.
	But you know, most of it came from my subscribers.
	And you work for InfoWars, so you get a salary working for InfoWars.
	I don't work for a network.
	So I'm completely independent, right?
	So I'm blacklisted from even going on newsmax because well, you know, a lot of these networks are run by Democrats who are LARPing as conservatives, as we know, right?
	Like Chris Ruddy, he's not a really a conservative.
	He donated to the Clinton Foundation.
	So people like Owen and I are truly independent.
	We rely on, you know, our crass roots followings to support us.
	And, you know, I guess you could say like you're in a better position because you have InfoWars, which broadcast to millions of people, but I'm like quite literally banned on every single site because I was targeted years ago as one of the canaries in the coal mines, just like you were, Owen.
	And so X is really all I have along with True Social.
	So I noticed that right after I lost my blue check mark and right after I was demonetized, my tweets only started to get about 200 likes.
	And so if any of you follow me, which a lot of you do, my tweets generally average about 100,000 views per tweet.
	And every single week I was getting tweets that were like 3 million views, 4 million views, 5 million views, right?
	Like I have let me put that into perspective let me put that into perspective for my measurements it's fair to assume and it all depends on content but it's fair to assume the window of average engagement so you have 1.4 million followers it's fair to assume the average engagement as far as views are concerned is the most reliable is that 10 to 20% of your of your followers should see your content no matter what 10 to 20%.
	Now if you put out something that's a real heavy hitter you're looking obviously closer to 30 to 50% and then plus other people will see it.
	But it's a fair baseline window 10 to 20% of your followers should see just about everything you post.
	And you are are you are way below that cap.
	I'm way below that cap.
	And again there's something there is something that is causing that that is not organic and I don't know if you heard my breakdown of what it might be because all we can do is go off of what we have not what we don't have Laura so you're in the same boat as me a warning but you were Dadged,
	deverified and so I've been told by people who I would call simps like there's there's and look it's nothing against Elon but he does have orbiters right there are guys here who basically they they have no shame they literally say that their job is to be an Elon orbiter.
	So you have these guys who have X accounts and all they do online all day is plug Elon Musk and plug his products and they're the guys that are getting paid like $25,000 a month from X. So fine if you want to just be an orbiter that's fine but they will not be honest or genuine when this stuff is happening.
	So you'll be like okay well here's my analytics it proves that I didn't piss if if I really pissed my followers off to the point where you know they dropped off like one of the one of the orbiters was like oh well you just pissed a lot of people off with your comments and so people are just not interested in you.
	They're just sick of your shit Laura and it's like okay well let me view my analytics okay you would see a drop off in fact I actually gained 8,000 more followers the day of the H1B visa debate because so many people agreed with me like thank you Laura for starting this conversation yeah and you'll notice like CNN led with you know my tweet like it made its way all the way to Donald Trump.
	Okay, so I feel like I'm being targeted.
	And again, like people, people want to deny and say that this is organic, and it has to do with the algorithm.
	But then I'll look at other accounts that have less followers than me that post long tweets, like some one of the orbiters told me, oh, well, you know, the algorithms just changed.
	And so you're not you're not shadow banned, you just need to, you know, change.
	I won't say which one, but he doesn't even live in this country.
	I think that we can all, you know, figure out who that is.
	But the reality is, is that people are still posting long tweets, people are still posting what's called negative content, even if they said the algorithm is going to change, like, what's negative, right?
	Deportations could be considered negative, or they could be considered positive, depending on who you ask.
	So if you're reporting the news, and our job is to report the news, and most of the time, the news is not positive, then you would assume that everybody who is reporting the news, if the algorithm was fair, and the algorithm was equal would have a decrease in engagement.
	But I've seen accounts that you know have less followers than me getting way more likes and I'll be honest with you like my average like on a tweet before this happened on Christmas I didn't have anything under a thousand right most of my tweets got over a hundred thousand impressions and it wasn't uncommon for me to have you know five or six tweets per week that had over two or three million views on them right and so let me just let me let me analytics let me just ask you and I want to take another speaker here.
	So my the thing that I can conclude for certain is that the only way you see my post is if you're online if you're scrolling when I post so basically I get organic engagement when I post anything after that is is a nothing uh so is your experience similar to that yeah and I've had hundreds of emails from people saying oh my God you know what happened to you are you are you sick?
	Did you just delete Twitter?
	Because there's people who have me on notification and they're not even getting my posts So I'd say that only about 20% of the people that actually have me on notification are getting my posts.
	And most people who follow me are not getting my posts.
	So unless you're actually on notification and it's not even working 100%, you're not seeing my post.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I just showed the one month comparison.
	You gotta do notifications.
	Each month is 500 million impressions.
	This last month is 89 million impressions.
	Do the math.
	Yeah.
	All right, Laura.
	Let me let me get Maria Z to speak on this.
	Um, she's been in a couple other spaces with me regarding these topics.
	Maria, go ahead.
	Thanks so much, Owen, and thank you for holding this space.
	It's so important that we talk about this.
	So I've been noticing censorship on X. Really, it for me it started from the beginning.
	And I I think potentially, and I'm I'm not sure, but it may have to do with the fact that very early on, this is I never got my previous accounts restored.
	This is my third, they never gave the old ones back.
	But I emailed them because they were impersonators.
	They asked me to uh email them.
	They said, Well, can you please email us from your official business domain, which isn't the one link to my ex account, but I said, okay, fine, you know, to prove who I am or whatever the case may be.
	I emailed them.
	Um, then they said, sorry, that's not quite enough.
	We want your official government ID.
	And I said, Well, you're you're not getting it.
	Um, and so I've I've been having problems with my with my reach ever since.
	And no matter how much my account grows, um, it seems to be capped at 139k people.
	Every single day you see that number go down to one eight 189.9, then it creeps up to 139.
	Uh sorry, 138.9 again, back to 139.
	And it's the same game that Instagram has played with us for years, right?
	They seem to cap your account at a certain point.
	I've got plenty of people that have, you know, even friends of mine who say, we never see your tweets.
	We have to go onto your account to actually see what you're posting about.
	I even commented in your comments, Owen, about it, and one person who I know is like an avid follower.
	I hate that word, but you know, for the purpose of this conversation, he's confirmed he has to go onto my account to see.
	I spoke up about, you know, what's happening to Laura Luma.
	Um I never see her tweets anymore.
	Literally, I have to go to her account.
	There are people that I don't really necessarily agree with, like, say Simon Atiba.
	Sometimes I don't agree with the things that he says, but I'm interested in what the man has to say.
	He's been a White House journalist for goodness sake for how many years.
	I never see his tweets.
	So there is a real concern, you know, which I I hear the excuse made that oh, you just need to post more interesting content.
	I find that to be such an insult to my intelligence.
	I'm interested in Owen Troyer, who also I don't see.
	I'm interested in Simon Ataba.
	I'm interested in these people.
	Who who gets to dictate to me that what these people aren't posting is interesting?
	Um, you know, that's also isn't even interesting.
	Like just to agree with everything that you're saying right now, too.
	Exact same thing happened to me where like avid followers, my biggest fans are like, oh, I can't see you anywhere unless I go to your account.
	Like they'll say the people that are getting the most engagement post the most basic stuff.
	And I'm not trying to be a hater, but it's like literally one-word stuff.
	It's like orbiter simp material, okay?
	They're literally just posting simp material.
	Well, well, let me let me explain.
	Let me expand on that and bring somebody else in here, Laura, because what I was afraid of when I was doing my coverage, and we may have been in a space or two about this.
	When I was doing my coverage about the X payouts discrepancies, which by the way, notice how nobody posts their payouts anymore.
	Isn't that funny?
	Um, but when I was doing the discrepancies there, I mentioned how that's the type that is the type of content that's going to dominate X now.
	It's gonna be simp content, and it's going to be basically selfie content where these girls realize that, hey, all I have to do is post selfies and make a stupid caption and I'll get a bunch of followers and I'll get a big payout.
	Now that's exactly what we're seeing.
	Now, I haven't necessarily seen my entire timeline become that because I curate my timeline pretty well uh as best I can, but I am noticing what you're saying is is kind of taking over as far as people have realized really and look, X is obviously not perfect, they're trying to improve.
	I don't really think Elon Musk has his fingers on the keyboard With this, I think he obviously has influence, but I think other people are really running the show.
	Um, but this whole thing of, oh, we'll reward better content is total bullshit.
	If I was a chick with nice assets and I started posting selfies, my account would be 10 times bigger.
	Let's just be honest.
	And that type of content is being rewarded, not actual thoughtful political takes that might be considered controversial.
	Uh, let's bring in Andrew Meyer now.
	Uh, he's worked on social media for years uh with a couple other big accounts as well.
	So uh Andrew, let me open up the floor to you.
	Claudio, and yeah, I was uh ringing the alarms about uh Laura being shadow banned and Elon playing favorites on here for a while too.
	The only uh conclusion I came to is to use lists.
	Uh I have a list that I've curated for a long time that I put up called real news that you're on Laura's on, then a few other accounts that I find to be very reliable and trustworthy are on.
	And that's what I scroll.
	If I go into the for you tab, I know it's you know the algorithm, it's gonna be whatever schlock they're putting out.
	Uh my following tab, you know, it's good, but I follow a lot of people.
	So uh what I really want to see the best of the best, the real news, I I go to my list.
	And that's what I recommend for people to get through the shadow ban is use a list, put people like Laura or Owen on it.
	And I can share the space mine so that people can use that too, because uh if if you're not doing something to get through the shadow bin, the people that really matter, you're not gonna see them as much.
	What's the difference between the list and just your following tab?
	Because when you go to your feed, there's the for you and the following option.
	What's the difference between the list and the following option?
	So if you follow like 500, 600 people, whatever, um, a lot a lot of times you'll follow somebody because you like them a little bit or you know them in real life.
	You don't necessarily want to see all your tweets.
	A list is, you know, you're putting together these are these are the accounts I want to see, and it's chronological and uh it's more curated.
	Like if you're following Tab, you know, everyone you follow, you don't necessarily want to see all their tweets.
	So list is a better version of that.
	Okay.
	I I've I've never built a list.
	I've seen that.
	I I see myself getting added to lists, but I've never utilized that.
	Yeah, they're pretty sweet.
	I'll I'll pin mine to the uh to the space here.
	Well, that's one way to um address it at a personal level, but that doesn't really address it kind of at the larger level, I would say.
	No, it doesn't.
	Yeah, but but you know, for user intent, I think that that could help um kind of you on the user end.
	All right, I want to bring in uh in one second here, I want to bring in Robert Sephyr.
	And I'm sorry if I mispronounced that, but uh we're gonna have you in a second.
	But Laura, did you have something you wanted to add?
	It looked like you had you wanted to add something here.
	I was gonna say that uh something that makes this even more nefarious is the fact that X seems to have no customer service, or they sent out an internal memo directing people to just ignore people like us, because I've had some conversations with some ex-employees who are aware of what's happening, like the American ex-employees, right?
	I'm not talking about the H1B ones, but some prominent American uh American ex-employees who we all know from being in spaces with them.
	I've emailed some of them and I've also DM's some of them, and they're like, oh, well, let me see.
	And then it just goes radio silent.
	And then you say, hey, uh, just following up, uh, did you ever hear back about my account?
	And so it's almost like they're either scared to reply because of retaliation from their boss, or maybe they uh have been instructed not to tell us what's going on.
	Because I don't understand how you can have 1.4 million followers and message X and also, you know, have this be the subject of multiple mainstream media reports, all the way to the point where you know they're doing an entire segment about it on CNN, and then nobody from X replies.
	Like general, generally you'd have somebody in PR or support reach out and say, oh, hi, you know, hi work for X, uh, tell me what's going on with your account.
	So they could at least pretend like they care or pretend like they're not shadow banning us, but there's no there's no response.
	And so how can we not assume that we're being shadow banned by the bigger thing?
	Well, but look, honestly, we should reach out.
	We shouldn't even have to rely on that.
	Everything should be open source, and which Elon Musk agrees with.
	Uh he said so much today, but everything should be open source and it should be a level playing field.
	It should be a level playing field.
	Nobody should be getting special attention to be boosted, nobody should get special attention to be deboosted.
	It should truly be a level playing field, but obviously we don't have that.
	And X doesn't deny that that's the case.
	They say freedom of uh speech is not freedom of reach, and they talk about boosting positive content versus negative content.
	So obviously it's not a level playing field.
	Anyone that says it is, well, then you're not even listening to the people that run X. Uh so you're just coping with the reality that yeah, um, X is is not an equal playing field.
	They don't even deny it.
	All right, quickly, Maria, you wanted to add something, and then I want to go to Robert.
	Yeah, I'm so sorry, because I've just arrived at my destination.
	I hate to be that person that joins and leaves, but I I just wanted to say this.
	There is an example of because we we all say, and it would be very naive to think that Elon is watching every single tweet, right?
	Like that's just impossible.
	But there was an example during the H1B debate of a gentleman named Tom Hennessy.
	I wasn't even following him prior to that, and he ratioed Elon, and the immediate response just a few short hours later was that his blue check mark was removed, and of course his account's been impacted since um, I think he's got his blue check mark back, but it seems to be a permanent stain on your account, if you will, if it's been taken away.
	And so my point is that arbitrary punishment is happening.
	Obviously, we've we also saw that recently with the gaming community.
	There was a gamer that was, you know, challenging Musk.
	His blue check mark got taken away.
	So it is actually a target.
	We have examples of targeted attacks on people who criticize Elon Musk, and we should be aware of that, and we should be aware that is occurring.
	A CBS employee was just fired for criticizing Musk on her personal social media.
	So I mean, didn't she call him a Nazi?
	She did, but it was her personal social media.
	How many times have libs, you know, criticized Trump on their personal social media is they don't get fired.
	Yeah, you know, so I I just I do have concerns, Owen, with what we're seeing.
	There is a collective punishment that's happening around Musk's critics, and people should be aware of it, and we should keep talking about it and not be afraid.
	Like you said, you risk get being even more sensitive if you speak up, but we have to that's the key.
	You just said it right there, and uh, I'm glad you could join us tonight.
	Don't worry about having to bail out.
	Everybody's busy.
	It's good we can hop on these spaces and hop out.
	But that's the key right there is fear.
	If people are afraid of saying or doing whatever the wrong thing on X is, then I mean, I think that that tells you a lot.
	And and we're not talking about people that just post trash content, inappropriate content.
	In fact, if you do this is my biggest bugaboo of the whole thing.
	The whole thing, this is my biggest bugaboo.
	If you actually do adult content, we all know what I'm talking about.
	If you actually do adult content, even hardcore content, you will not be censored.
	And you can spam your ass all over X, all over the most popular posts.
	You can get into political posts to and and rig the algorithm, and you will not be punished, you get rewarded.
	All of those accounts get massive boosting.
	And it's just because they know how to spam and beat the system.
	It's it's so so I can't even tell you how many times I've logged on to Twitter, and I have that girl, Bonnie Blue.
	You know that girl that like basically lets guys like come all over her face and then screws like a thousand dudes a day.
	I don't even know.
	Like there's like a team of them, like Lily and Bonnie, I guess their names are.
	I log on to X sometimes.
	I don't even follow them, and I just like get videos of them like deep throating men that pop up on my feed.
	And it doesn't get censored.
	It's crazy.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And and and you know what?
	Here's what it's turning into, and I'm going to Robert now.
	Because I deal with this in news too.
	Everybody's seen this.
	When I go through my news aggregation for the day, I'll go to the New York Post, I'll go to wherever, all these different sites.
	And you know what they always have up is some celebrity in a bikini, some celebrity got a boob job, some celebrity looks great at age 60 in a dress, whatever, all this crap, and it's all this clickbait bull crap.
	It's all this tabloid bull crap, and it's the same thing happening on X now, except it's actual adult content that doesn't get censored.
	So if they're gonna let that ride, then political content shouldn't be getting censored.
	If those people that promote their adult only fan sites, then political content, you should not be afraid to post political content.
	All right, let's go to Robert.
	Is it Sepper?
	I I'm sorry if I'm getting this wrong.
	Robert Sepper.
	You got it.
	Okay.
	Perfect.
	Sepper.
	Perfect.
	Thank you.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, big fan.
	Thanks for having me on.
	And I wanted to uh jump in because I've had this problem for a while now with um shadow banning or ghost spanning.
	And there's even sites where you can type in your handle and check to see if you're indeed banned.
	And mine says for replies and ghost spanning.
	So I have just to give you an idea, I have a hundred thousand followers, and my biggest payout has been like a hundred and sixty dollars, I think.
	So I don't know how some people are making so much, but I guess it's because I restrict comments.
	So maybe that's probably you know holding me back.
	But I also get put on these lists where people block me, and I guess that also hurts your reach when people you know ban you or block you.
	Well, they did admit, and I don't know if they ended up following through with this, but they basically admitted that there would be more implemental power to a block, and and basically blocking is like punishing accounts.
	Now, I don't know if they ended up going through with this because the potential repercussions are obvious.
	Then you could just organize a group of people to mass block somebody and bury their account.
	Uh but that's that's exactly what they did to me.
	So I so maybe that's a result of that policy.
	Like I said, I don't know if they actually implemented that policy, but essentially, yeah, if you get punished for blo being blocked, then people can group block you and and hurt your reach.
	Exactly.
	So there was a way where you can do a search and find all the lists that you're on, and then you can unsubscribe yourself from those lists by um leaving the group or blocking whoever the admin of the group is and then unblocking them, and then automatically you leave the group.
	So I guess that's I did that once.
	I don't know if it really helped.
	But also words you use, you know, if you use certain um politically incorrect words like I don't know, trans or things like that, that probably also hurts you.
	I feel like that shouldn't on X since Elon's been in charge, though.
	I mean, maybe the old X algorithms, but Musk doesn't, he's no fan of the trans movement.
	Yeah, but it's there's a lot of stuff that hasn't been updated.
	There's old like my old shadow ban from when Jack Dorsey was still running the thing is in place.
	Yeah, like there's there's a lot that they just never changed.
	Yeah.
	Well, I can confirm that too because my old account, now it's the same thing on both accounts.
	But my old account was totally shadow banned because I used to have like triple the followers on my old account when I got it back than I did on this new account, but I'd post on the old account, just buried, but I'd post on this account and it do it do good, it'd do well.
	So I just gave that account up.
	I use it for a separate account now.
	Um, just for uploading clips and other things.
	But uh yeah, that's so but now I'm now I'm it's the same effect on both accounts.
	Well, you know, it's like you said, it's not just him and his personal views.
	He has a CEO, and she needed to do what she needed to do to get the advertisers back.
	So it is a business.
	So I I personally you know just try to use different words or try to like spell it differently.
	Yeah, but yeah.
	Frankly, the only solution to all of this is public utility law.
	If enough Trump supporters push Trump to use uh public utility law to declare sites like Twitter a public utility, just like the phone company can't shut off your uh phone number because they don't like what you're saying on a phone call, even though this is privately owned, Twitter is a public utility, and the trouble is Trump and Elon have a strong alliance at this point.
	But if enough Trump supporters, just like we shut down the H1B debate in our favor, if enough Trump supporters push for the use of public utility law and said, Hey, Twitter has to be regulated like a public utility, they can't have all these shadow bans, they can't shut people down because they don't like what they're saying, like they did to Laura Louber, like they've done to you and me, Owen.
	If we pushed for the Trump administration to use public utility law this way, that's the real solution.
	Yeah, I I do think that is a good solution.
	And you know, the there's certainly room for debate as far as is that the right thing to do, but it is the best solution that I've heard yet.
	In fact, we've got somebody joining us now, might be the perfect person to talk about this.
	And this is Jason Fick.
	He's the founder of Social Media Freedom Foundation 501c3.
	Uh so Jason, I open the floor to you.
	Um, you've also been involved in lawsuits, so um Fick versus Facebook, so go ahead.
	Thanks for having me up, Owen.
	It's been a while since uh since we talked.
	Indeed.
	Um I want to uh dispel a whole bunch of things so that we can actually resolve some of the issues that we're talking about here.
	Um so just to give you a little bit of background, not only did I sue Facebook, I've been involved in that lawsuit for seven years now.
	We are about three months out from going to the Supreme Court for the third time.
	This time I'm packing allies, like big ones, like as big as they get.
	So because what has happened over the past seven years is the application of Section 230 was misapplied for almost two and a half decades.
	We had a move a mountain of bad precedent.
	California courts weren't helping us with it, but my case influenced multiple other cases, which have now aligned with our understanding of the way Section 230 is supposed to be applied.
	Now, what I mean by that is that there's nothing wrong with the law.
	The law wasn't applied correctly, and it's blatant and it's consistent.
	But the thing is we're going back to the Supreme Court with three outer circuit splits.
	We have four interest circuit splits, we have 12 different cases that defy my case.
	So we basically have a complete mess of law because it's not being applied right now.
	My pin post for those that want to understand what because everybody asked me, so what happens?
	What happens if I can get the Supreme Court to actually take the case to do the right thing, fix the law?
	Well, I asked Chad TPT and it laid it out for you.
	It basically fixes everything.
	Now, the big problem, like the big fix here, what you're talking about is like algorithmic um manipulation, right?
	Like the manipulation of what's recommended or what's restricted or all of those things.
	That's going to change.
	They actually are liable for that because that's their own conduct.
	They haven't been in the past, but that's what's changing.
	Well, let me let me let me interject.
	Let me interject something so people can get a better idea, because this is the key part right here.
	The let's say the electric, the electricity company or the gas company, whatever they cannot throttle my access to electricity.
	They cannot throttle my access to heat.
	There is legal precedent there, right?
	I mean, are these the type of cases you're looking at?
	And then saying you can't you can't cook the system.
	So house one doesn't get the same amount of electricity as House Two.
	No, that that's that's actually not what we're saying.
	Um, they are not public utilities, and I think that that is it's a feudal argument.
	Um, and just so you know, I'm also an expert with uh uh expert consultant on the Bollinger case, which is the disinformation doesn't versus the uh censorship industrial complex, as well as Brighton.
	I I think you might have seen me on with uh Mike Adams and and Alex, but basically it works like this private entities or public entities do not have the right to restrain our individual civil liberties, right?
	The life, liberty, or property without some guidance, like what's called an affirmative defense, just like self-defense.
	If you commit an otherwise unlawful act, you were protected by an affirmative defense, which would be self-defense in this case of section 230.
	They have to be good Samaritans.
	It's right in the law, it's it's in quotes, right?
	And the reason for that is is that they're they're first order businesses that they're supposed to be working for the benefit of the public.
	They're not, they violate their legal legal duties, they they violate their own rules, and nobody ever holds them accountable.
	Well, the courts are caught up, so we're not after them as a public utility.
	We're saying that a private entity, it doesn't matter that they're a state actor, none of that stuff matters.
	The reality is that they have to be held accountable under a congressional intent, which is good Samaritan.
	They haven't been done.
	That just that literally has not been done the entire duration of the law.
	Like out of I think like 500 cases, maybe 17 have ever applied to good faith.
	So everybody is looking in the wrong place because they've got you chasing red herrings when it's it's legitimately all we're asking the Supreme Court to do is strictly apply the law as written and it all sorts itself out.
	It's that simple.
	Like we've we've done the job, But it took six years for all of the other courts to catch up to us to basically force the California courts into a corner to do what they wouldn't do for me.
	Like I've been fighting a losing battle, but everybody else is finally caught up.
	So I just don't want you chasing down the public utility because they're really not.
	It's a very different scenario.
	Um and as far as also I also want to dispel one other thing.
	Everybody calls them state actors.
	The actual definition is they're state instruments, right?
	So like in an FCCA claim, you can go after the government for its employees, agents, or instruments.
	So they're just the instrument of censorship, and that's all they have to be is they have to be jointly participating or pervasively entined.
	So there's there's a lot more to the legal side, it's already shifting.
	Like Facebook's reactions, why do you think Facebook changed first?
	Because Facebook's directly involved with us.
	They know what we're fighting and they know what's inevitable, it's coming.
	Like the entire internet's about to change, and nobody's talking about it because nobody understands.
	So that might give you a little more insight to what's happening.
	Well, and you know, I don't I I don't know if this ties into your cases.
	I I doubt it, but it's all kind of in the same, it's all kind of on the same spectrum here.
	You know, Google got hit with the uh monopoly decision, and they got a breakup.
	Um, so that was a big one that didn't get much press.
	I think Zuckerberg has more maybe Zuckerberg had a philosophy change, but it's probably more likely he's cozying up with Trump and his supporters to maybe win some favor should there be some court decisions that are not in the world.
	Keep in mind, Owen, Facebook uh Zuckerberg said that antitrust is an existential threat to big tech because they've been violating legal duties for so damn long.
	If the courts fix it, like they're done.
	They're going to get sued, like everybody's already approaching us about other suits because the law's already changing.
	They're they're in deep trouble.
	And I and I bet what's scary is is that whole cozin up the Trump thing is like, are they trying to circumvent the problem still?
	Like, because they will apply now, you know, obviously the top cover.
	Yeah, they're giving those million dollar checks to Trump so that he will not regulate them using antitrust law.
	100%.
	I disagree with you about uh public utility law, even hearing everything you've said with public pressure.
	The Supreme Court could be made to make that their decision and their ruling on it.
	I understand what you're saying about the legal precedent, the way the courts are currently ruining uh ruling on it.
	It can go the other way.
	But 100% they're giving that money, uh, those million dollar checks to prevent the Trump administration from reaming them with antitrust law.
	Yeah, and I don't want to dispel that it can't be done, but Congress would need to do it in constant, you know, Congress is constipated.
	They can't get anything done.
	That that's the only problem.
	I'm working within the confines of what we have currently, and and the easiest, simplest fix is for the Supreme Court to simply accept our case, except there's two questions, literally, and we gave them the answers.
	Answer these two questions with what we said, it's over.
	Big tech, it it unifies all the law, and all of a sudden big tech becomes accountable.
	It it will truly be amazing.
	How do you think that impacts what's happening on X?
	Well, all of the content moderation, that's what I said.
	Oh, and if you get a chance, read my pin post, it's it's uh screenshots of what Chat GPT like Chat GPT is caught up to it, has recognized that all of the evolving laws proven proven what we have been fighting for six years.
	The it I asked it basically, what would the result be for the world?
	And because it's hard to articulate.
	It's like, how do you explain how this is going to change?
	But the reality is is that the content manipulation that they're doing, right?
	The affirmative content manipulation, oh, this is better, this is worse.
	They don't get to do that anymore.
	Like that stops because it opens them up immediately to liability, not for what the content is, which is what the courts thought.
	It's for their own conduct.
	So if they do it negligently, or and everybody says, Well, oh, they took down my stuff, I'm gonna sue.
	You can't necessarily, it doesn't make it illegal.
	What makes it illegal is like, for example, Zuckerberg said in front of Congress under oath that Facebook is a platform for all ideas.
	Well, that's a lie, right?
	So they've represented that they're a platform for all ideas, and then they violated that legal duty to all of their users because they lied.
	And see, that's what the courts, especially uh there's a case called A B versus Salesforce that literally just concluded in the Fifth Circuit on December 19th.
	It's that new that went into the technical analysis that we tried to get done six years ago, and they learned they figured it out.
	If the case is about their legal duties, the Section 230 no longer applies.
	So basically, all of their conduct is now subject to liability except for specifically good faith restrictions, and the judge doesn't decide that that's actually for a jury to decide based upon the merits of the case.
	Meaning cases will actually go to court now, and that's a huge change.
	And you're anticipating you're going to be arguing in front of the Supreme Court this year.
	If they accept the case, but you know, it's not easy to get in front of the Supreme Court, but I can say, and I can't say who, but I have legitimate allies coming in this with me that are a lot bigger than me.
	My problem is I'm too obscure, so I just keep getting pushed under the rug.
	Whereas the people that are now have figured this out, agree with me, are bringing all of their lawyers to bear, and we're going to be getting amicus from all sorts of different directions coming in the Supreme system.
	And that's in the next three months.
	Well, this is all overdue.
	I believe uh the Missouri Attorney General has a case on censorship that just got to the Supreme Court or is going to the Supreme Court, right?
	Do you know about that one?
	I believe it's the RFK's that's um consolidated with Missouri versus Biden, and I and I don't suspect that they're actually going to be able to surpass it because most people don't recognize why they got kicked back on standing.
	And one of the biggest problems with the case is they sued Biden in isolation, right?
	Well, there's a redressability issue there.
	Like you what good is it to even restrain Biden at this point because he's gone.
	So there's just an inherent problem.
	Plus, the the court said, and I quote, it said, we need to see where one platform was coerced by one government and restrained one plaintiff.
	What about stupid simple that that big tech needed to be involved in the case and they weren't sued?
	We didn't do that.
	We're we're suing everybody, department of state all the way down to big tech.
	Well, we're suing X right now.
	What about Congress and Mark Zuckerberg lying under oath?
	What about that?
	Well, that unfortunately is not something really that a because there's no independent harms that come from that to the individuals that in the world, but I will say that it works as evidentiary um in our case because of course that becomes legal duties.
	They make public representations, they've got to stick to them.
	Well, so when Zuckerberg admitted that they were censoring at behest of the government, I mean, I don't, you don't have to say anything that you know, obviously don't show your hand here, but um I I'm assuming you like that.
	Well, believe it or not, I mean, this is the funny part.
	We're we're so cutting edge on the social media law stuff, we didn't even need it.
	He's admitting it because it's already been done.
	The uh Judge Doty in Missouri versus Biden has already concluded that um as it relates to the Biden administration and the CCDH and Facebook and everybody else like that, they they've already been determined by the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals that they were in fact censoring on behalf of the government.
	So we don't even have to prove that.
	So in the Bollinger's case, which are actual disinformation dozen, right?
	That it it that's all on social media freedom.org.
	It's a it's currently 317 pages.
	It is a monster complaint.
	We went after everything.
	We're it's I think one of the first cases that's ever going after that's ever going after the Smith Mont Modernization Act.
	Um, we're going after the elements of the NDAA and the formation of the GEC.
	I mean, we we went all the way back toward all apart.
	And the reason being is one of the revelations that I mean, nobody's really talking about this.
	I I put it out on uh Lara's show.
	The they I mean, essentially they told everybody in the world that the CCDH came out with that disinformation does the report, and then the government sort of reacted to it.
	Well, how did it react with a congressional hearing the next day?
	That's pre-planned.
	Well, turns out if you actually go into the evidence and go all the way back, that was actually a partnership between the Department of State and the United Kingdom, they worked with Facebook, C C D H and Attorneys General and the White House and Congress before even became public.
	Meaning they didn't coerce them.
	They literally conspired with them.
	So the whole perception of how this is going down.
	No, they Facebook and these big tech companies have been involved with with you know big tech or with uh government literally for years upon years upon years.
	So it's it's not like this is some sort of new thing.
	And I think, you know, any of us that have been around for a while, which I know Owen, Laura, I know you two have both been around as long as I have, we've been getting hit, you know, consistently over the years.
	It's just gotten more pervasive as it goes.
	Well, it's even crazier from my perspective, and um, I'll let everybody get a final statement in here before I sign off.
	But I mean when you're banned from everything, and then you get access to that again, you get access to that portal.
	You get acts, you can still hijack into what is now the mainstream.
	I mean, social media is basically mainstream now.
	Um, it's it's crazy to get that, and then to have the rug pulled from you even again after that is like, you know, I I mean, you just kind of laugh, really.
	Um, that that, but that's what's going on.
	And so I I hope that they do accept your case.
	I'd like to hear you argue your case in front of the Supreme Court.
	I think it's long overdue.
	I think the Supreme Court should be more open to hearing a lot of these cases.
	Uh, there's multiple cases that need to get to the Supreme Court.
	And if they can recognize Google as a monopoly, then they should be able to recognize that it's time to look at some of these free speech cases dealing with social media and really set a precedent and and hopefully stop it.
	You know, Trump said he wants to end censorship on social media.
	Well, uh it's still here.
	It's still here.
	Uh, it might not be as bad on X, but it's even on X. Um, but I'm not I'm not allowed on YouTube, I'm not allowed on Facebook.
	Who's gonna do something about that?
	All right.
	Uh let me get final comments here from uh Laura and Andrew, and then and then maybe I'll have time to open it up to others, but we'll see.
	I gotta sign off.
	Laura, just final comment.
	Well, I hope that uh now that it's been a month that tensions have cooled, and perhaps Elon Musk will change his mind because as you said before, you know, when you're completely banned everywhere and you get welcomed back onto a platform, well, you know, where we've been told that X is the media and they want the mainstream media to go away and that uh they want to support citizen journalists, it really just doesn't feel that way.
	So I'm hoping that there will be a you know a change of course and that uh our accounts will go back to normal.
	But I'm in agreement with you in that uh it's been a month and this doesn't really look organic to me, Owen.
	And I'm glad that uh I'm not the only one because I feel like I've been going kind of crazy this last month.
	Like, what the hell is wrong with my account, right?
	Like nobody's getting back to me.
	What's going on?
	So I think that we need to keep on making noise about this because who's next, right?
	Like who's gonna be next?
	And should you really just be completely silenced and have your reach reduced by 80% and have your livelihood taken away from you in the form of your own subscriptions, money that your own followers choose to give you because they want to support you, just because you criticized either the owner of the platform or you had a disagreement with the owner of the platform.
	So I hope that Elon will do the right thing and the X will do the right thing and restore our accounts and monetization to full functionality.
	That's my hope.
	Yeah.
	And I'm gonna be curious to see, Laura.
	Uh glad you could weigh in and I'm gonna be curious to see too, because I've gained over 200 followers since starting this.
	And the same thing has happened to me every day for basically two weeks, is I go to bed and I'm at 2797 somewhere, close to eight, and then I wake up the next morning and I'm at 2795.
	It's like it without fail happens every night.
	It's gonna happen again tonight.
	I'm already I'm already over 2797 again.
	So it'll disappear back to two, seven, nine, five, and nobody will know what's going on.
	Uh Andrew, do you want to make a closing statement?
	Yeah, the last thing I wanted to say is, you know, we we shouldn't have to beg Elon.
	Like him cutting off Laura's paying subscribers is egregious.
	And the only reason that we as a nation had the whole H1P debate and are pushing back on millions of Indians Coming to this country and taking American jobs is because Laura and many other patriots went out there and put it on the line, and Laura especially, and she was punished for that.
	How can we have true debate, true free speech in this country if we don't own the public square?
	What they did to Laura, what Elon did is not acceptable.
	And if we want to be able to have the impact that we had that Laura had to fix the H1B debate, we have to fix Twitter so that it works again.
	So I think there needs to be a big thing.
	Also, Andrew, you're forgetting a big part.
	After everything I did for President Trump, too.
	I mean, I'll say that Elon contributed a lot of money, but in a way, I have a lot of people that tell me all the time, oh, Trump probably wouldn't have won had it not been for you exposing all the all the malicious law fare with the judges.
	Like people forget that, you know, I'm the journalist who used my platform to expose Judge Marchon and also Judge Ngoron.
	And all the Republicans in Congress refused to support Donald Trump until the reports that I published were so egregious.
	Okay, and I see uh CCP sketracer here on on the on um on the call on the space as well, who's uh Loomer at least uh contributor.
	Look, if it weren't for the reports that we were pushing out on uh my platform on my ex account that were getting millions of views, okay.
	That's the that's the post that led to Trump getting the gag order because it exposed the daughter of the judge.
	Nobody knew about the daughter of the judge until my reports they didn't know about all the money that she was receiving from these Democrats who were uh sending the money directly to her home.
	That's a huge part of this election that really opened people's eyes.
	It needs to be a level playing field.
	Period.
	It has to be a has to be a level playing field, and that's the best way to do it.
	All right.
	Um I I have to do this for my own reasons because just to show that I'm more free speech than anybody.
	Um, I just asked the fake Liam Neeson to come on here who bans me from his spaces.
	I can't even go in there and listen.
	But the fake Liam Neeson is welcome to come on here and say whatever he wants.
	So fake Liam Neesim, uh, unlike you, I'm letting you into my space.
	So tell me, give me something to close out to close out this space.
	I'm sure it's gonna be highly entertaining.
	I don't even know who you are.
	Then why do you ban me from your spaces?
	I sorry, I didn't know I banned you, dude.
	I'll I'll check it.
	Well, what so what brings you in here then?
	Oh, I just wanted to come here and uh fuck with Laura Loomer.
	Look at that, Laura.
	You've got fans yet.
	Is he going to find me?
	That's it.
	Come on, Liam.
	I know you're better than that.
	You're a better troll than that.
	Come on.
	Liam, are you gonna find me?
	No, I would never never threaten anybody on the internet.
	That's then you're not the real Liam Nissan, you're not gonna come find me.
	Oh my gosh.
	Good point.
	Okay, that's good.
	Thank you, everybody.
	Liam, good, good to have you close us out like that.
	He will find you, though, just not in real life, just on X. That's where he'll find you is on X. I think he has me blocked.
	I don't know.
	Maybe he doesn't know now.
	Well, maybe you can rekindle the flame now.
	You know, maybe we can maybe we can bring it all.
	All right, I'm closing the space, guys.
	I'm gonna close the space and I'm gonna sign off uh Rumble and my video.
	Thanks everybody for tuning in tonight.
	We'll do another space on this again uh once it gains more traction because we're ahead of the curve on this.
	People are gonna realize we're right, and when the fear dissipates of talking about it, um they'll probably join us.
	All right.
	So that's the end of the space.
	It is recorded.
	Um, and and just like just like I did for the payout discrepancies, we were way ahead of the curve as far as big people wanting to talk about it.
	We'll be way ahead of the curve on this as well.
	And more people are gonna be willing to talk about it down the road when it becomes so obvious that people can't even just deny it anymore.
	Um, but I've presented my case with the evidence.
	Laura has posted her evidence as well.
	And uh I'm gonna be interested to see what happens with my follower account tonight.
	I've literally gained over 200 followers since this thing happened, and it's not gonna go up.
	Um but hey, maybe The one thing I will say is that they're constantly updating their algorithm on here.
	And sometimes it takes a while for things to fix themselves.
	I don't really think Elon is behind it personally.
	If anybody is, if there's an individual, it's probably Yakarino, but there can always be other bugs.
	There can always be other people that are in the system sabotaging and doing their own things.
	So it it it could just be some of that.
	But even Musk the other day posted a tweet saying, hey, who's in charge of the for you tab on this thing?
	Um like he had something that he didn't like happening on there that he wanted corrected.
	So I just want an actual level playing field for all that is truly impactful.
	And there's truth social and there's gab and there's a bunch of other things.
	Threads, blue sky, none of it's really impactful.
	None of it.
	None of it.
	X is actually impactful, and I'd just like everybody to have an evil playing field.
	That's it.
	Even the people that hate me disagree with me.
	I want everybody to have a level playing field.
	For me and for everybody else.
	And X admits that it's not happening.
	That's that's their own words.
	They admit that they curate the site.
	Um, so whether you like that or not.
	That is what's going on.
	All right.
	I'm signing off.
	I'll see you guys tomorrow on the InfoWars Warroom.
	We got some big stuff tomorrow, by the way.
	Big stuff.
	I know I have a lot of January 6th guests coming up.
	I don't know if they're in with me tomorrow, but we're gonna be interviewing a bunch of January 6th people.
	Bevelyn Williams, the pro-life protester that got arrested and would have spent decades in prison released by Donald Trump.
	She joins me tomorrow.
	So um big show tomorrow.
	Trump is gonna make news between now and then as well.
	God bless, Godspeed.
	I'll see you tomorrow on the Infowars Worm.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh.
	The store has been down.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I'm sorry.
	How long has the store been down, guys?
	The store has been down.
	Owen Schreuer.store has been down.
	We are back.
	The store is now back.
	And we might even have some new products at Owensreuer.store.
	Hold on, I'm checking it out for myself.
	Hold on, I'm checking it out for myself.
	Um it looks like, well, here's the deal.
	At Owensreuer.store.
	If you go there, all the pro all the products we've ever offered are there right now.
	And probably some things you haven't seen.
	We had major, we had major problems.
	It was that whole ID issue that I was telling you about, which is just completely crazy.
	But I don't have time for that.
	OwenSreuer.store is back live.
	But this this could be the last time.
	I I think what I'm gonna do with Owensreuer.store is completely revamp it next month.
	I think I'm gonna completely revamp the store next month.
	So I might just pull everything.
	I might just pull every product from the site and revamp it and relaunch it with new products starting next month.
	So if you like any of the shirts or hoodies, long sleeve, short sleeve, we have sweats, we have shorts.
	If you like any of it, uh I it might it might be gone next month.
	I'm thinking about just pulling everything and then just doing all new products in a store revamp next month.
	Um, but we shall see.
	Uh things are crazy right now, and uh nobody even really knows the future.
	All right.
	All right.
	That's it.
	Signing off of the night.
	I'll see you guys tomorrow in the InfoWars Warroom.

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