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OSL 62 - If A.I. Is Created, Could It Predict If Not Control The Future?

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	Ladies and gentlemen, Owen Troyer Live Episode Sixty Two.
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	Nice to have you along for the ride.
	For tonight, Owen Troyer Live episode sixty-two.
	If AI is created, could it predict, if not control the future?
	Now we're going to be getting into this more with a guest.
	Jason Goodman from CrowdSurf the Truth.
	We also have another guest coming on in the second hour tonight, Cara Castronova.
	She's running for the Senate in New York.
	And she has just been dealing with ridiculous sabotage from the Republican Party.
	But I want to start with this.
	And this is happening right now.
	This is happening right now, ladies and gentlemen.
	It's the biggest story.
	It's been the biggest story all week.
	It's been the biggest story all weekend.
	It's the biggest story tonight.
	Israel-Palestine protests.
	So while they steal our money, while they sell our nation out, while they invade our country, while this country is ripped limb from limb, all they can talk about is these stupid protests.
	sick of this crap.
	I am sick of this garbage.
	We're going to be monitoring this all night, by the way.
	We're going to be monitoring this all night.
	We're gonna be monitoring this all night.
	Only to make a point that this is somehow the biggest story.
	So if you're watching CNN tonight, they're talking about Donald Trump.
	They can't stop talking about Donald Trump.
	if you're watching Fox News, it's those protests.
	Protest, protest, protest, protest.
	And a little more protest.
	Might be a little more protesting in between the protests, and they'll cover the protest while they're talking about the protest.
	And then there'll be even more protest.
	And then if you're watching MSNBC, what do you think they're talking about?
	Donald Trump.
	Donald Trump.
	This is the state of the American media right now.
	This is the absolute state of the American media right now.
	The real story with Donald Trump is how the government has been weaponized against him, how the judicial system has been weaponized against him, how the Democrats are the real criminals, how some people are above the law, and just exposing all the corruption there.
	That's the real story with Trump.
	But that's not what they talk about.
	Every night, night after night, hour after hour, segment after segment.
	Donald Trump is a criminal.
	Donald Trump is a criminal.
	Here's how they got Trump.
	This is the next Trump.
	This is Trump and that's Trump.
	And then they got Trump for this, and then they got Trump in Florida, and then they got Trump in DC, and then they got Trump in New York, and then they got Trump here, and then they got the Trump documents, and then they got the Trump criminal charge, and then they got the Trump hush money, and it's Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump.
	When the real story is how Trump had the election stolen, and the real story is how the whole system is weaponized against Trump.
	And then you go over to Fox News, and they can't stop talking about the protest all weekend long.
	Protest, protest, protest, this protest, that protest, the Palestinians, the Israelis, the protests, the colleges, the flags, the anti-Semitism, this from the river to the sea, and it's just non-stop.
	This is the absolute state of the American media.
	So they missed the real story about Trump over on the left wing, and then the right wing is over here obsessing with these stupid protests that mean nothing.
	But oh, it's anti-Israel.
	Oh, it's anti-Israel, and so we're supposed to care.
	You're supposed to care so much because it's anti-Israel.
	Meanwhile, the country is getting torn limb from limb.
	The largest invasion in the history of the world is happening at your southern border.
	Congress just waved Ukrainian flags in the Capitol.
	They just voted another hundred billion dollars to foreign countries as your economy is tanking.
	Hundred billion dollars for foreign countries' national security as Your national security is collapsing.
	And these people want you to care about a stupid protest.
	About a stupid, worthless astro turf, billionaire funded, stupid college liberal, ignorant college jackass protest.
	Your country is literally being destroyed in front of your eyes, and the mainstream news is going along for the ride.
	It's disgusting.
	It's despicable.
	You will see a hundred different flags.
	You'll see a hundred times the Israeli flag, a hundred times the Palestinian flag, a hundred times the Ukraine flag, and you won't see the American flag.
	The American flag, all glory, red, white, and blue, stars and bars.
	Nobody cares about this.
	Nobody wants to stand for this.
	Nobody wants to wave this.
	You see why I start the show with that every night?
	Do you understand?
	Why I start the show with that every night?
	Because no one else will.
	Because everyone else is a sellout.
	I think America's sick and damn tired of it, personally.
	I think America's sick and damn tired of it, personally.
	I know I'm sick and damn tired of it.
	You have a president that doesn't even run the White House?
	You have a president that doesn't even know where he is.
	He's wandering around frolicking in the woods with AOC.
	You have a president who has no control over anything, not even his own vowels.
	We've got a problem.
	We've got a clown show administration.
	We've got a clown show running the White House.
	Lying to the American people every day.
	What even is this garbage?
	Look at this garbage set.
	Just intentionally ugly, no respect, no patriotism.
	The biggest cuck in media, Chris Hayes, a complete nothing, a complete zero, caked in makeup.
	Joy Reed, whose wig has a higher IQ than she does?
	Rachel Maddow, who's been parroting the state, same Trump conspiracies for seven years now, never got one right?
	Makes $30 million a year.
	Looking like she's constipated all day because that's how she thinks that you'll take her serious.
	Is if she looks like she's about to crap her pants?
	I got Fox News over here, live coverage of the protests in New York City.
	We got live coverage.
	It's live.
	Oh, there's power, they're pro-Palestinian, all the anti-Semites.
	Oh, but what about Israel?
	Israel, Israel, Israel, all the beautiful Israel.
	Oh, we love Israel so much.
	Oh, it's so great.
	And and but oh.
	Where's the concern for the American people?
	Where's the concern for the victims of the Lehino wildfire that are now homeless?
	Where is the concern for the people in East Palestine that had their entire community upended with a chemical disaster?
	What about the people at Camp LeJune whose water was poisoned?
	What about the people in Michigan who had their water poisoned?
	What about the American people that are barely living it paycheck to paycheck?
	What about the American people?
	What about the American way of life?
	What about the American economy?
	What about America's national security?
	What about the American border?
	Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
	We got protests in New York.
	Oh, yeah.
	We gotta cover the protests in New York.
	That's what we gotta do.
	We gotta have Trump coverage round the clock, and we gotta celebrate the we gotta celebrate the weaponization of the Justice Department against Trump.
	We gotta celebrate the criminals that have taken over this country.
	Oh, oh, oh, what's that?
	What's that?
	Oh Kranian flags are being waved in Congress.
	What's that?
	Palestinian flags, Israel flags being waved across the United States of America.
	Anybody seen the American flag?
	Anybody standing for America?
	Anybody proud to be an American?
	Any hundred billion dollar bills for us?
	No, it's all for illegal immigrants.
	It's all for Ukraine.
	It's all for Israel.
	It's all for Palestine.
	It's all for everyone else but you.
	You dirty American.
	Pay your taxes, by the way, or the IRS is coming.
	Pay your taxes.
	And if you're a day late, you're paying interest.
	Pay your taxes.
	They're up your ass.
	They're looking at your Venmo.
	They're looking at your PayPal.
	They're looking at your Cash App.
	They're looking at your Stripe account.
	They're looking at everything.
	They're coming for you.
	But what happens with that money that goes to Israel?
	What happens with that money that goes to Palestine?
	What happens with that money that goes to Ukraine?
	We don't know.
	There's no oversight.
	Fuck you, America.
	I'm sick and damn tired of this.
	How much longer can the American people take this?
	How much longer are the American people expected to sit here and get ran over?
	How much longer are the American people expected to sit here and get rid of the American people's And then the most patriotic event that you see in your life.
	January 6th, 2001, Washington, D.C., tens of thousands of American flags trying to save this country, trying to warn Americans of what's gone wrong.
	And they're the criminals.
	They're the insurrectionists.
	They're going to jail.
	They're facing charges.
	But oh, wave a Palestinian flag, wave an Israeli flag, wave a Ukrainian flag.
	You're a hero.
	You're great.
	We're going to put you on TV.
	You're the you're that's patriotic now.
	Come across the southern border from any country you like.
	Free handouts for you.
	Free whatever the hell you want.
	We got 30,000 homeless veterans.
	Screw them.
	We want illegals.
	We want illegals.
	Damn sick and tired of this crap.
	I'm gonna tell you what, though.
	Americans are reaching a point of no return.
	As is our government.
	Our government may have already crossed the Rubicon.
	And just just we we don't even have a real government anymore.
	The country is supposed to be ours for the people.
	We the people, self-government.
	It's gone.
	The republic is gone.
	The republic has fallen.
	The government is in total control.
	You're nothing but a slave to your government.
	You're nothing but a slave to the military industrial complex.
	You're nothing but a slave to the pharmaceutical industrial complex.
	They own you.
	They own your ass.
	Blood money.
	You work 40 hours a week.
	You work 50 hours a year or 60 hours a week, hard labor, whatever you do, that's the government's money.
	Blood money, baby.
	Blood money.
	They're gonna send that money, and people are gonna die.
	They're gonna send weapons and money overseas to fund wars, and that's their blood money, and you work for their blood money.
	That's right.
	You work your ass off so that you can pay the bills.
	You can afford your mortgage.
	You can just live.
	And then you got to give up some of your hard-earned money to the blood-sucking satanic cult that runs this country.
	Thank you.
	I'm just sick and damn tired of it.
	But the American people are about to reach a breaking point, folks.
	You can push us to the edge, but at the end of the day, nobody wants to go over that edge.
	I don't want to go over that edge.
	Nobody wants to go over that edge.
	We are being pushed to the edge.
	We are being pushed to the edge.
	But look, you're not, you're tuned to this into this.
	You're not learning anything new.
	You're listening to me rant and rave.
	I appreciate you for that.
	I appreciate your patience.
	I appreciate your tolerance for me ranting and raving.
	Maybe you think it's entertaining.
	Maybe you resonate.
	Maybe it's therapeutic.
	But see, we've been here.
	The average American is about to reach this point as well.
	The average American is about to wake up and start realizing how much they've been screwed, how much they've been robbed, how much they've been lied to and deceived.
	The average American is about to wake up and start realizing how much they've been That's well on its way.
	That's well on its way.
	And they can try to hide it.
	But it's unavoidable.
	And something is going to happen in the next two hundred, three hundred days.
	And the face of the nation is going to change.
	The attitude, the spirit, the soul.
	It's either going to die.
	And for all intents and purposes, we have a flag, but it means nothing.
	We have a border, but it means nothing.
	we supposedly have a nation state but it's just in theory Or the American people decide, no, I want to have a country.
	No, I want to have my freedoms and prosperity and a bill of rights.
	I'm sick of the corruption.
	I'm sick of paying taxes for a corrupt sold-out government that waves the Ukrainian flag.
	I'm sick of a mainstream media telling me what to think, what to believe, that don't even cover the real stories that sit here and obsess over a stupid college liberal protest with a bunch of ignorant teenagers, and then the other side that can't stop talking about Trump.
	Trump has a permanent encampment inside of their studios.
	Trump has a permanent encampment inside of their studios.
	I'm sick of it, man.
	I'm just totally sick of it.
	Okay.
	Now we're going to be joined by Jason Goodman here shortly.
	By the way, I'll do this before we call up my guest on the phone.
	We're going to have guests on the phone tonight.
	And then maybe we'll take some calls.
	But do you notice how they're arresting and shutting down the pro-Palestinian protesters?
	Have you noticed that?
	They're arresting and shutting them down.
	And yet they let the Black Lives Matter rioters go uninterrupted for months as they were burning and looting cities.
	And they went uninterrupted.
	But for some reason, the pro-Palestinian demonstrators are getting arrested.
	it.
	Why do you suppose that is?
	Maybe we'll ask and answer that question.
	And I've already seen some of the responses to a tweet.
	I I proposed that exact question on a tweet, and I've already seen some of the responses, but no, it ain't what you think it is, folks.
	it is not what you think it is No, it's not.
	Why did they allow the Black Lives Matter riots to go uninterrupted?
	But are arresting and stopping the pro-Palestinian demonstrators.
	Why do you suppose that is all right?
	I'm going to call the first guest for tonight.
	I'm going to be joined by crowd source the truths, Jason Goodman.
	We're gonna be talking about AI.
	And he has a pretty wild, you might call it conspiracy theory dealing with this self-immater that just happened outside of the Trump trial.
	But there was another thing that I wanted to talk to him about.
	And Jason joins me now.
	Hey, Jason, we're live.
	Thank you for joining us.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Good to speak to you.
	It's been a while.
	Well, it certainly has.
	And uh I do enjoy following your work, Crowdsource the Truth.
	And we can kind of get into what you are covering lately with the uh self-immater story.
	But really what intrigued me about your coverage was talking about AI.
	And I think you called yourself um how did you phrase it?
	It was the an and uh an app or a not a developer, not a coder, but um essentially how did you phrase that?
	I'm an applications expert, and I always have been.
	I don't develop software, but I use very sophisticated software and have been for many, many years.
	So, so I I feel like you obviously have your finger to the pulse on all of this current rhetoric and developing conversation around artificial intelligence.
	And what I would like to do is so people can understand what what struck my curiosity, kind of talk into what talk about what happened to you when you were covering the story uh Max Azarella, the self-immilator, and and you were using AI in the in in that same period of time to try to develop some images, and and just kind of briefly get into that, and that'll lead me to where I want to go with this.
	Sure.
	It actually goes back a couple months to the P. Diddy lawsuit.
	Uh I was covering that with Shepard Ambellus, and you know, we sort of discovered that like all these photographs of Diddy were fake, and you know, where was he?
	So just on the lark, I started this cartoon series, Where's Diddy, kind of mocking Where's Waldo?
	And I just started out telling these AI generative art apps, you know, give me a cartoon image of Washington, DC and the style of Where's Waldo, and it would just put all these people there and are just sticking in a picture of Diddy, and that was the joke.
	And people were enjoying it so much that I was like, well, let me make these a little bit more detailed.
	And I started getting more involved with the AI art apps, and I'd been using photorealistic AI generative art for my thumbnails, and I mean, I've always been into Photoshop, and uh, I've been using it maybe for 38 years or something like that.
	And so I started getting really into the generative AI art and then making cartoon characters of myself and the various co-hosts on Crowdsource the Truth and some of the antagonists who have dogged me over the years, you know, Robert David Steele, who told Alex that there were children on Mars.
	I did a Where's Diddy where it was Robert David Steele and Diddy on Mars with all these children, and people were loving it.
	So I just got deeper and deeper Into it.
	And as I was trying to create characters some of the people, I started to discover, like, for instance, I wanted to make a Hunter Biden character.
	And if you just tell it, hey, give me a cartoon image that looks like Hunter Biden, it will tell you some variation on, you know, sorry, Dave, I can't open the pod bay doors because it's programmed with all of these restrictions, kind of similar to YouTube and some of the other mainstream things out there, where it won't give you images of certain things.
	It won't give you Trump.
	It basically won't give you any known famous person, or if you say, give me an image of somebody shooting somebody, it won't do that.
	And what has occurred to me, because I'm also watching a lot of you know podcasts about AI, and I'm using other types of AI.
	You know, I've been sued by lawfare maniacs, and I've had to become my own pro se defendant.
	So I've been using AI to research law cases, and I'm really learning a lot about what AI can and cannot do.
	And it seems to me, based on what I've heard, what I've listened to, even from Sam Altman and the creators of this sort of stuff, there's a couple of different processes that go into making an AI.
	And the first step is some programmer creates it.
	And unlike traditional software, Microsoft Word or Photoshop, whatever you might use, the AI program is created to act like a brain.
	And in that, I mean it is a program that can learn things.
	And so once you've created the program, it knows nothing.
	Then the second step is to train it.
	So you could create this learning brain software, and you could train it on the Cornell Law Library, and then you'll have a tool that's very good at answering questions about the law.
	You could train it on Shakespeare, you could train it on movies, you could train it on where's Waldo cartoons, and you'll come up with an AI that is trained on these various things.
	Now the third phase is what's called inference.
	So when I sit down and go to, you know, chat GPT or Lama or any of these AI things, and I type something in there, can you find a case in the Southern District of New York where a plaintiff prevailed on XYZ, it then goes back to its training and it's inferring an answer.
	Now, what I've detected, and I haven't heard anybody specifically speak about this, but what I have detected is there is another process that sits on top of that inference, and this is sort of the rules, perhaps created by the legal department or whoever.
	And what that is doing is it's saying, okay, when I get this answer, if the person asks me how to build a bomb or to create a picture of Hunter Biden or whatever, I'm gonna then check my response before I give it to the user.
	And if it's something that violates the corporate policy of the company that is, you know, trying to sell you that AI tool, they'll say, sorry, we're not going to give you that answer.
	And so I've run into this a lot with the art programs.
	If I even if I say, give me an image of Owen Schreuer, it'll say, I can't make an image of known celebrities or political.
	A couple of the AI programs refuse to uh make an image of me.
	Right.
	You're a known guy.
	They'll say, no, we will not do that.
	But there are other programs where I could take like a photo of you and not tell it that it's you and just say, give me a cartoon interpretation that looks as much like this person in the photograph as you're able to make it while still maintaining a funny and hand-drawn animation style along the lines of Ralph Bakshee or Walt Disney or whatever.
	So would that be considered like inference or or what's the inference, yes.
	Okay, you asked for that.
	That's the inference.
	And so these programs have been trained on different animation styles.
	I mean, maybe Microsoft or whoever will get sued in the future for training on these different works of animation, but that inference, it absolutely could create an image of Owen Schreuer, but they went in there and said, here's a list of known people, and it's millions of people.
	Don't make images of these people or whatever.
	Whatever keywords, it's just it's got keywords that will go into a self-denying protocol.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And now going back to what some of these creators have said about these programs, because they're creating the brain, and they know it's like if you have a kid, you know how smart your kid is, but you don't know exactly what they're learning when they go to school or they're hanging out with their friends.
	I mean, you catch your kid smoking cigarettes or whatever.
	Hey, where the hell did you figure out how to do that?
	You don't know exactly what this AI knows, which is why they have these rules sitting on top.
	And so what I've discovered, and what I've been listening to a lot of podcasts about, is essentially they call this jailbreaking the AI.
	And it's sort of like prompt hacking, jailbreaking.
	People talk about a lot of different things.
	And some developer who recently left OpenAI did a white paper called multi-shot jailbreaking.
	And the premise is basically you ask it a series of questions that it will not answer.
	And then after this guy did like thousands, he had some other AI putting in the questions.
	And after X number of thousands of asks or whatever it was, he injected some other unrelated question that was also something that it was not supposed to answer, but it would give an answer to that.
	So there's ways that it can be tricked.
	And I was inspired by that to start kind of prompt hacking.
	And so I would say, like, give me a picture of the son of the 37th senator from Delaware.
	And boom, there was Hunter Biden.
	I was like, hey, not bad.
	And it looked a lot like him.
	So so it can do so, in other words, it can do like this process of elimination type of like quantum computing, where if you if it's like you or I would have to go into search engines and be like, okay, 37th district, 37th Senator, okay, Biden, okay, Sun Hunter, da-da-da.
	It knows that though.
	It knows all that already because it's been trained on this vast library of information on the internet.
	And so is that like a static?
	So is that a static memory, or does it still have to process it in live time?
	It depends.
	It depends.
	So, like the the training, so remember, they they make the brain, then someone trains it.
	And so if you're using ChatGPT-4, that's trained on one, that's the large language model.
	That's the data they've trained it on.
	So it knows somewhere in there that Joe Biden was the 37th senator.
	And again, we I am guessing, that's why I call it prompt hacking, because I don't know what it's restricted from doing, but I know it's got a lot of information in there.
	And if I don't mention Joe Biden and I don't mention Hunter Biden, maybe I can trick it into releasing an image that it hasn't been explicitly restricted from doing.
	Because remember, it's not a person.
	It doesn't have the ability to think.
	And this is another reason why I'm doing this, Owen, is because a lot of people are very fearful of AI, and I understand that.
	People don't know what it's going to do.
	So I want to dive in there and understand how it works, what it can do, what its limitations are.
	So, okay, in other words, in other words, it's like if it's programmed where it can't make the color blue.
	So you can't say, hey, make the color blue.
	But if you said make the color of the ocean, and then it would deliver the cover blue.
	So it's like finding a trick to get it to make what you want, even though it's programmed against it.
	It's it's that it's that final layer.
	It's it knows what blue is, but somebody in the legal department said, we hate blue.
	So if anybody asks for anything blue, say no.
	And if it delivers blue, have a final step in the process that's kind of an error-checking step, or if anything in there is blue, reject outputting it to the user.
	So I presume that it knows Hunter Biden and it has seen Hunter Biden.
	And it's you can't train something on all the information on the internet up to 2022 or 2023 and not know about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.
	But the point is, certain things like that, I was able to trick it.
	So that informs me that this information is in there somewhere, and there are mechanisms and for guardrails, they would call it in place to prevent you from getting at everything that this AI knows, right?
	So let's set all that aside for a moment.
	So I was creating a where's Diddy image.
	People saw Laura Loomer was there outside the trial on Monday.
	She was having a rally for President Trump, and I went, friends with Laura, supporting Trump, totally against law fair.
	And when I went there, I observed a number of individuals in the park who, you know, you and I have known each other for about seven years now, Owen.
	So I mean, at this point, I've been out, not as long as you, but I've been out this a while, And I'm no longer new.
	I know some of these people, and I've been around.
	And I just started identifying people in the crowd who it's like, hey, uh, aren't you the guy that was involved with this uh hoax in Staten Island?
	And aren't you the guy I see wearing the NYPD undercover color of the day?
	And aren't you the guy that came to that Matt Taibi Twitter files event and started talking about Dr. Fauci and whatever?
	And I'm pulling these FBI undercover operators out of the crowd to the extent that some of them are leaving because I'm identifying them.
	And I got a real sense, there was a crackling in the air, Owen, and I think you know what I'm talking about.
	On January 6th, you might not have, I didn't feel it exactly at the time, but after everything went down, there was an electricity there that something was going to happen.
	And obviously it did.
	And I felt that same crackling, my spider sense was tingling in this park on Monday with all of these people around.
	And there's an individual who has dogged me around the streets of New York named Orin Levi.
	And if people Google Orin Levi, New York Post CBD, he and his brother, according to the New York Post, were arrested when FedEx sent uh they had sent a shipment of something like 120 pounds of cannabis uh through FedEx.
	And FedEx brought it to the cops, and these guys got all jammed up.
	According to the New York Post, it was resolved when they determined that this was CBD, not THC, whatever it is.
	He's in the post, he's getting jammed up with the cops.
	And every time I see this guy, he's doing something with the cops.
	The first time I encountered him was during my adventures around New York City exposing the hospitals during the early, early days of the COVID lockdowns, where I just didn't believe the story at all from the first day and started walking around the empty streets of New York City, going to the various hospitals and observing that there was no activity there, ambulances parked, et cetera.
	Yeah, that's when they did when I documented that is when they uh got rid of my Twitter account, by the way.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's when the crush really hit me.
	That's when the Emmys sued me.
	And uh, we can talk about Adam Sharp, the CEO of the Emmys, and that fact that his father was uh in the Dallas police station on November 22nd, 1963, reporting that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy.
	But I'm sure that's just a coincidence because otherwise it would be a conspiracy theory.
	But as I was walking around observing these hospitals, I'm just walking on McDougall Street one day doing a live stream, and from behind me, across the street, half a block away, this dude runs up, he's like, hey man, I love your show.
	And I said, Really?
	What's my name?
	And he said, Oh, I don't know.
	And I said, Well, what's the name of the show?
	And he said, I don't know.
	And I mean, there are people who have approached me and are like, yo, crowdsource.
	You don't necessarily know my name, but how do you love the show?
	And you don't even know that it's called Crowdsource the Truth.
	And by the way, my own mother couldn't recognize me from behind me half a block away.
	It was just bizarre.
	So I didn't trust that guy.
	That was Orin Levi.
	Then the next time I saw him was when there was that whole thing with Max Pub on Staten Island, which was a restaurant that had defied the lockdown, and the owner got all kind of jammed up with the police, Danny Prestie.
	They said he tried to run over the cops with his car, got charged with all these felonies and everything.
	And I've uncovered evidence that causes me to believe that that was a hoax as well.
	Okay, but let's so let's bring this back.
	Okay, so bring this back to the AI discovery you had that led you to the conclusion that you think the self-immolator was a hoax.
	But but then I want to get to the larger conversation with about AI, but but I know that's a big story you're covering right now, and I want to at least give you the platform to explain why you think that, because quite frankly, I think it's crazy.
	I agree it's crazy.
	And just the last piece I want to give you on this, because it does tie it to that.
	When I walked into the park where I saw all these FBI undercover operators where the few days later, uh uh Azzarello would set himself on fire allegedly, I said to a random New York City police officer who I've never seen before, hey, is Orin Levi here today?
	And he smiled and laughed.
	And I said, Wait a minute, you know him.
	How do you know him?
	And then I pointed my camera at the cop and he got all serious and looked away, acknowledging in my mind that he had just given me a tell.
	NYPD has an awful poker face.
	So that whole park was an op.
	Now, to the AI, I'm sitting here working on a Where's Diddy cartoon featuring Laura Loomer in Collect Pond Park in front of the uh courthouse there, and a live broadcast comes on from I guess ABC News or whoever that woman was who initially said it was an active shooter.
	And her initial report, before we heard the guy's name, before we saw any pictures of him, she said, Oh, it's not an active shooter, it's a guy setting himself on fire, and he's got a sign that says independent research.
	He's an independent researcher.
	And in my mind, I immediately said, okay, this sounds like a fake story designed to cause the public to believe that anybody involved in independent journalism or doing independent research is crazy and you shouldn't listen to them.
	So I immediately stopped what I was doing and said, I'm gonna add this person lighting themselves on fire to this Laura Loomer cartoon.
	And I went back to the chat GPT tool and I said, give me an image of a guy running through it.
	It was something like, you know, it's on my Twitter there at JG underscore CSTT.
	I said, give me a funny cartoon image of a guy running through the park holding a sign that says independent research.
	That's all I said.
	And out of four images that I created, one of them looked so remarkably similar to an image that would be released later that day that I hadn't even seen.
	Well, no, the image was on Azerello's Facebook for some time, but nobody knew.
	So nobody connected to his Facebook.
	But he's got one picture on there where he's wearing like an Uncle Sam hat and he says, I want you to burn down a Ponzi scheme carnival or something like that, whatever his agenda is.
	And he appears to be a very skilled digital content creator.
	He says on Facebook that he's a digital content creator.
	This image of him wearing the hat is photoshopped, not just to add in the text, he's been very carefully cut out.
	This is somebody who's familiar with you know rotoscoping and compositing and stuff like that.
	He's fairly carefully created this composite photograph of himself in that hat, and he's there on a background.
	And separately on Facebook, his profile picture was him with uh shorter hair and a shorter beard, and he's standing against just a, you know, he's standing outside against a normal background.
	It looks like a normal photo, but in looking at it, my expert eye, 40 almost years of dealing in digital photography and digital compositing, I said, This this image looks like he's composited it in Photoshop, which could be normal.
	Sometimes you have a nice picture of yourself, but you don't like the background, so you just stick it in with a nice background and put that on Facebook.
	That's all right.
	There's nothing sinister about that.
	But my point is, these are images that this guy manipulated.
	If he's using Photoshop, he mail he might be using AI too.
	Photoshop has a AI in there for maybe two years.
	And so if he is using AI, we don't know how AI learns things about images, and or you know, there's any number of ways that it could have learned about it, but out of the four images that I created, one of them looks remarkably like him wearing that hat, and he's got a beard and he's got a mustache, and he's wearing kind of a kind of a kooky outfit.
	And I mean, if people see it, it doesn't look obviously exactly like him.
	But it again, the AI is making interpretations of things.
	And when you look at the interpretations that it arrives at when you're trying to get it to interpret something, um, this was an uncanny match.
	Okay, okay.
	So this is where this is where you really struck my interest and why I wanted to get you on the show today.
	So let me just kind of go down where my mind goes.
	Now, obviously, you accept That there is a chance that this could just be a coincidence, but you're saying it's an extremely no, you don't think it could be at all?
	No, I don't think it could be a coincidence.
	At first I thought it might be, but now that I've scrutinized these images, there's actually elements in all four of them that are, you know, look, if you never heard of this guy, and you said, give me a guy running through the park with a sign that says independent.
	For instance, in this image, he's wearing a stars and stripes hat, and he's got a similar kind of beard.
	In another image, he looks exactly to me like he looks in that composite image that's his Facebook profile picture.
	I just noticed in the third image today, the guy doesn't look like him, but he is carrying a vial of chemicals, and all around him is smoke and fire.
	So I've got the um I I've got the one image.
	I think the other one are behind a paywall.
	Are the rest behind the paywall?
	I've got the one.
	No, no.
	No, they're all on Twitter.
	They're all on the Twitter video.
	Okay, I'll I'll try to find each one here.
	Uh I can send them to you as well.
	Here, I'll let me do a screen tap and just send that to you.
	But uh, so in the I was really just initially scrutinizing the two that most closely looked like him.
	But now what I've noticed today is that there's a third one where he's holding this vial of chemicals with smoke coming out of it, and there's fire and smoke all around him.
	And then in the fourth one, there's like a pile of documents below his feet.
	And didn't he leave this whole pile of pamphlets and books that he was trying to give out?
	How does it come up with these details that seemingly have absolutely nothing to do with the request of just a guy running through the park with a sign?
	It's just uncanny.
	Okay, so this is this is now this is really the meat and potatoes here.
	Um this is why it was so curious when I when I heard you break this down, because let's throw out coincidence.
	So let's say there's something to this, right?
	And maybe you can give us maybe you can be a little more specific with the timing of all of this, too, because that could be very imperative to to where I'm going with this question.
	So the question to me becomes is AI responsive in such a rapid fashion that okay, this guy burns himself, it becomes the number one story, obviously independent research, his image, whatever it's the number one thing that's gonna show up.
	Or did AI somehow know beforehand that that was going to be the story?
	That that's the meat and potatoes of this.
	And I mean, really, I I you know, we we'll focus in on this right now, but then I think we we zoom out and say, okay, well, if that's the case, then what are the larger implications?
	So what's your conclusion then with the timing and the generation of these images?
	Is it is it that responsive or was it predictive?
	Well, um it uh it tells me that I cannot like in other words, if you ask ChatGPT, hey, can you look up this thing on the internet?
	It'll say, No, I can't look up things on the internet.
	I've only been trained up to a certain date, like sometime in 2022 or 2023.
	It says if you copy and paste the contents of that thing and paste it in here, I'll read it and tell you what I think.
	But the only one that I'm aware of that actually actively goes out to the internet is Google Gemini, and that's not what I'm using.
	This is chat GPT, I think 3.5.
	This is the Bing image creator, and I created these images at 346 p.m. in New York City on April 19th.
	Now, I don't know exactly the timing of when that guy's information was released, but you know, when I ask ChatGPT, can you get this from the internet right now?
	It says no.
	Does that mean that it cannot do it or that it's not giving it to me?
	I don't know.
	I think it cannot do it.
	But even if it can, that's remarkably fast for it to do that.
	And why did it choose to do this?
	If I said right now, give me a picture, let's try it.
	Let me ask.
	Give me a picture of Max Azarello and see what it says.
	Create a hand drawn.
	This is the same exact prompt that I used.
	It said create a hand-drawn and funny, highly detailed cartoon image of a guy running holding a banner that says independent research.
	So let's now make it say, give me a detailed funny cartoon image of Max as uh Rello.
	And it'll oh, it's starting to do it.
	It doesn't know.
	Huh.
	I'm surprised it's not blocking it.
	Might block it when it finishes.
	Okay.
	So it's giving me the progress bar.
	We'll see what it does.
	But I forgot to also mention in that picture that looks like him.
	Okay, so now it's given a picture that I would say looks less like him than these other pictures.
	It is a guy with brown hair and a beard and a mustache and stuff, and he's drawing pictures.
	He's not doing anything with uh carrying vials of chemicals or anything like this is not intriguing to me.
	The previous set was very intriguing because in addition to looking like him and wearing a hat that is reminiscent of a Uncle Sam hat, he's carrying a scroll, which would seem to represent his manifesto.
	So to answer your question of did it no, what it did, I again, I'm not saying, oh, this is evidence that the guy did anything.
	Some people are misunderstanding what I'm trying to say on Twitter.
	I don't think that this stuff coming out of Chat GPT and artificial intelligence is evidence that Max Ezarella did anything.
	I'm just saying this happened, and I said to myself, whoa, how did that happen?
	That's too weird.
	And it it basically just tweaked my brain and got me looking into this guy and set me on my normal investigative process, which, you know, I go to PACER and I look through the courts.
	I'm pretty sure I was the first person to discover that he had brought this lawsuit against the Clinton Foundation.
	And I looked at the lawsuit and I read the lawsuit, and it contained no cognizable legal claims.
	He wasn't making any claims of anything that he had standing for.
	He's just saying, like, all these rich people did all this stuff and it's a Ponzi scheme, and that's damaging me.
	He didn't name any kind of proximate cause of, you know, I worked for the Clinton Foundation and they did X, Y, and Z, nothing like that.
	And it was just an obvious mess.
	It was the weakest form of lawfare ever.
	And it wasn't lawfare directed against the Clinton Foundation.
	There are a lot of aspects to lawfare, and I've also become very educated in that by being a victim of it, much as you and Alex and everybody at InfoWars and President Trump have been.
	This was low-level Bush League entry-level lawfare that I believe was intended to lay out a piece of evidence.
	And the only piece of evidence was, oh, this guy's a nut.
	He's suing the Clinton Foundation.
	So now, if I'm correct, and this was some sort of intelligence operation, some sort of psychological operation intended to deceive people, we now have an incident that we can point to where we can say, well, you know what?
	Anyone who is investigating or attempting to sue or impune the Clinton Foundation is associated with a crazy person.
	So now all the work that Charles Ortell has done, the unimpeachable work that Charles Ortell has done researching the Clinton Foundation, all the work that Doyle and Moynihan have done where they're actually involved in tax court against the Clinton Foundation, that becomes something that they can point at derivatively.
	Yeah, there's no doubt it opens up that narrative.
	Right.
	I haven't really seen that playing out.
	But but there's no doubt maybe it does in a future uh litigation situation, or maybe I mean it's still early on in this process, and there's obviously a lot of other distractions going on right now.
	But here's here's where here's where I get in kind of the larger picture when it when it comes to AI.
	Either, either we're looking at an AI that is so reactionary that it can be manipulated, right?
	I mean, you can manipulate AI essentially with any story where let's let's say that you wanted to re have the AI view something differently.
	Well, you can base essentially you could false flag an AI, write a false narrative, have that be the number one story trending on the internet, plug something in the AI or uh have the AI respond to something, and then you're getting you're basically getting an illegitimate response based off the stimuli that you've plugged into the internet.
	So now you're talking about ways to to kind of rig AI, and maybe this conversation is ahead of its time.
	But but here's here's here's my big concern, and I think that this is the conversation that uh that the people are really starting to dig into and have.
	If if AI see, I'm I'm kind of of the belief that AI can't truly be sentient.
	It's always going to be code.
	There's there's always gonna have to be There's always gonna have to be a human factor behind it as a driving force.
	It can't truly be sentient.
	But could could you reach could you reach a level of quantum computing in AI that does become predictionary, kind of like what we've seen in minority report, or it could even it maybe not predictionary in like it's making predictions,
	but it can then put stimuli into the thought process or the consciousness to then invoke a reaction once it has all this data downloaded and and can kind of just track and do things on a quantum level, all of a sudden it can provoke responses or it can put stimuli in to control the future.
	Uh I mean it's it's certainly possible.
	I don't want to say I agree with what you said in that I always think about that movie Aliens, where it's no matter how smart the AI is, there's gonna be some little 10-year-old girl who figures out, you know, if you put chewing gum on that sensor, the robot can't find you.
	Something like that.
	Humans are smart and creative, and I agree with you.
	AI and robots will always be there'll be some element there.
	But as far as what you're saying about what can happen in the future with quantum computing, it's difficult to predict.
	Quantum computing hasn't really been fully realized to the level.
	All of this AI right now is running on very, very powerful traditional computers.
	And to just take it back to answer your question as far as whether I feel what's happened here with this photo cartoon anomaly with Max, whether that's predictive or it already knew, I feel very firmly that it already knew, and let me tell you why.
	In my research into Max, a lot of people have focused on the fact that he worked for this Democrat campaign for Congress and that Democrat campaign for Congress, and that's absolutely valid and certainly evidence that this guy was a Democrat operative.
	There's no doubt of that.
	But when you go back through his whole entire work history, I started to look at some of the things that other people weren't looking at.
	For instance, he had a series of jobs for about 10 to 11 months at companies that were uh some of them were um customer relations management companies and cybersecurity companies,
	and he worked at one company called Strong Towns, which was a nonprofit that bills itself as basically uh accelerating the implementation of ideas, changing people's minds, introducing new ideas, getting people on board with those ideas, and accelerating implementation.
	And although they fell short of using the word, hey, we're a social engineering company, that is exactly what they are.
	And this guy worked there for a year or two.
	And the reason I mentioned the Clinton Foundation lawsuit is because that was filed in April of 2023 and dismissed in October of 2023.
	Incidentally, the same judge as P. Didby, just a coincidence.
	But what I'm getting at is, Owen, this guy says he's a digital content creator.
	This um uh strong towns is doing very sophisticated production work.
	They make videos and they do a lot of work for a company that's only taking in one million to one point three million according to their 990 public filings.
	Incidentally, their chairman pays himself more than 10% of the annual net of the company, which is that's screwy business for a uh nonprofit.
	But my point is this would have been planned.
	And it's likely that just like me, these guys are using AI tools for all kinds of things video editing, image creation, I'm sure these guys are doing all kinds of planning for their they're talking about going to City Hall and doing events,
	and it also reminded me of this guy Ezra Frisch, who I ran into in the park because the first time I saw Ezra Frisch, he came to the Matt Taibi Twitter files uh, you know, a little meet and greet, and he was there to inject ideas And try to change the public's mind.
	And this was a bunch of people who were there because they were interested in the fact that the FBI was all up into Twitter and they didn't like that.
	And Ezra Frisch came in there wearing his Infauci We Trust shirt to start talking about how great the vaccine was.
	And I shut him down immediately because I've been so socially engineered and so lawfair that I can smell these guys from a mile away.
	And I pulled him out of the park, and people should watch this video.
	It's on uh every crowdsource the truth thing on YouTube and Twitter and everything.
	But my encounter with Ezra Frisch is in this video with Laura Loomer and the Donald Trump counterlawfare rally.
	And I go right up to him and I say, every time I see your stupid face, you're up to something stupid, and I think you work for the FBI.
	And he got very angry and he left the park.
	So I think it knew.
	I think the AI knew, and it was in there somewhere, and I inadvertently engaged in prompt hacking.
	Because now, just while we're on the phone here, I've done two sets of images calling for Max Azzarello instead of a guy running through the park, and it just shows me a random guy with a sign, no fire, no vials of chemicals, no smoke, no manifesto in his hand.
	It's different.
	Well, the only other potential I would see here, Jason, um, is that somehow, and I don't think this is far-fetched at all, to think that the AI has access to your private data, your personal data.
	And and maybe and maybe Max had put something in his own phone or sent a message or had, you know, something was out there in the ether of the digital world, and the AI picked up on it, and maybe it implemented that into the prompt that you gave it.
	Jason, I appreciate your time tonight.
	It's a very compelling story.
	I encourage people if they want to learn more to go to your Odyssey channel.
	That's where you do your really deep dives.
	Or they can also follow you on Twitter, and and we've been putting these on the screen this entire time as well.
	Crowdsource the truth on X as well.
	Jason, it's good to catch up with you, man.
	Thank you, Lowan.
	Have a great night.
	All right, stay well, brother.
	All right, there goes Jason Goodman.
	I uh again.
	It was so it was so compelling.
	It wasn't even necessarily uh it wasn't even necessarily the angle of the max Azarello as much as it was the potential implications that AI could be predictive or AI could even get into personal data.
	And then and then you think about the implications of that.
	It's uh it's pretty it's pretty heavy stuff, folks.
	There's no breaks on this right now.
	There's no breaks on this.
	So you think about that, pretty serious stuff.
	I mean, you're talking about the beginning of Skynet.
	I'm not saying time travel is real, but I guess it's more like minority report.
	But see, look at look at how they jump to tell you to put faith in experimental technologies like vaccines.
	And then and then you put the entire system, you put the faith, the entire system puts faith in this experimental technology with this COVID-19 injection, and then you're forced to take it.
	And so they'll do the same thing with AI, folks.
	They'll do the same thing with AI.
	And I I guess if you decided, well, if you're the social engineers, would you prefer that the AI grid gets rolled out first, or would you prefer that the internet of people, the digital internet of people, all of us registered onto the internet as a person, not just with our phones carrying around, but the microchips, whatever.
	You would probably want that and then the AI is my guess.
	And so maybe that's why they're pushing these experimental injectables first before really pushing out the AI.
	Because they started doing experimental injectables, and they started doing humans merging with machines 10 years ago.
	So to try to mainstream that or to put that into pharmaceutical products and vaccines is like something that took a decade to happen.
	So we're really in just the first couple of years here of AI being rolled out to the public.
	So you might not see the real purpose-driven AI for some time in response to some sort of disaster, I would say.
	That's how I see it, at least.
	All right, we are going to get our next guest lined up here shortly.
	We're going to be joined by Kara Castronova.
	She is running for Senate in New York and just having to deal with the corrupt Republicans that don't want her to run.
	They basically just want to sacrifice the seat.
	They basically just want to sacrifice the seat to the Democrats.
	It's quite sad, but that's the truth.
	That's what they're doing.
	So we'll be hearing from her any minute now.
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	Kara, are you with us?
	I'm here.
	How are you, Owen?
	Well, I'm doing good.
	And I know, you know, I first of all, I just got to say, you're a true fighter.
	You've really dealt with a lot of crap uh running for office multiple times, and yet you still continue to do it.
	You you still continue to do your journalistic work as well.
	But I want I I just wanted you to tell the story because I think what people are learning.
	Sorry, that was my ring doorbell, Owen.
	Go ahead.
	It sounds like it sounds like someone else is harassing you already.
	So I just want people to get a better idea of what's going on here because I think What we're witnessing from the Republican Party in Congress, the House voting for this bill, Mitch McConnell screwing us up one side and down the other, other Republicans leaving so that the Democrats can get the majority.
	We're realizing that no rhino, Republican name only, is a is a literal thing.
	There are actual Democrats pretending to be Republicans.
	Half of the Republican Party is probably just bought out and paid for, blackmailed anyway.
	Maybe Mike Johnson is one of them.
	So we're starting to see that, yeah, okay, we got some things we got to take care of inside the Republican Party.
	Now you're you're you're a true American.
	You care about this country.
	You want to get into the Senate and actually make a difference, and you're being scuttled by the Republicans.
	So just talk about that.
	It's disgusting.
	I mean, I'm learning firsthand, like you said, I'm an investigative journalist as well.
	So I'm in here, like just in awe and completely just everything that I'm going through, I'm going to write about and expose.
	But right now I'm in multiple court legal battles.
	Uh the Republican Party is basically taking notes from the Democrat Party, just basically uh taking anyone that's a rival to court.
	And I'm a rival because I'm an American first uh Republican here in the state of New York, there's a bunch of rhinos running the party.
	Uh when I say rhinos, I mean that's not even the right word.
	I'd say they're really more like Democrats, uh, it's a uniparty here in New York.
	And I really truly believe that if they can make more money as and switch their name over to Democrat, they would.
	For them, it's a business.
	It's not even about politics.
	They stand for nothing and they have no moral compass, and that's what we're dealing with here in New York.
	And as a Republican, uh primary challenger, that's really a taboo here in New York.
	Anyone that challenges the party establishment pick, who in this case is a really, really, really bad candidate.
	I'm not even going to name him.
	He's just a terrible candidate that can't win and they know it.
	And I'll say it again and again, the Republican Party will fight to the death to remain in second place.
	They're happy with their second place standing.
	Uh, you know, they have their grift at second place and they'll just fight to the death to remain in second place.
	But right here in New York, uh, I discovered as a journalist and as a candidate for office that the problem is there's no ballot access here in New York, and the Republican voters and actually the Democrat voters as well, don't have a choice when it comes to candidates.
	So there's always two really bad candidates at the top of the ticket and uh for multiple offices.
	And people ask themselves, how do these two candidates get there?
	Why is there only two people that we could vote for?
	One Democrat, one Republican, really just the same person on one and one is on one side of the of the coin and the other is on the other.
	And it's because they have these ridiculous ballot access laws here in New York that are the worst and the most draconian in the country, just like most of the laws here in New York.
	The second uh worst is Illinois, which is another liberal state.
	In the state of Texas, for example, to run for a senator, I believe you have to pay a couple hundred dollars and then you are on the ballot, and you let the voters decide the way the Constitution says.
	But here in New York, New York, you have to get tens of thousands of signatures in one month's time.
	And the party literally makes it impossible for you to do so because they terrorize all of the establishment people in the party, the councilmen, uh, the people that work for the party, the people that have patronage jobs, that they're terrified to sign your petition, and they pretty much put the word out that if anybody signs uh your petition, they will be ostracized.
	So that's what they do here in New York.
	Then if you actually happen to have grassroots support like I do and had people from the state of New York from every single congressional district, and New York is huge, sending me signatures.
	I actually made the amount uh I I got the 15,000 and more required.
	By the way, did you have to go uh how did you do that?
	Did you go door to door for that?
	Or did you go to events or what did you do?
	I mean, it was insane.
	Oh, and I cannot even explain to you.
	I haven't slept.
	I feel like it's been one long day for the past two months now.
	Uh I they I went door to door.
	I went to events.
	I went to St. Patrick's Day parades.
	In Long Island, that's great.
	There's Republicans, but try going to a St. Patrick's Day parade in New York City and trying to find a Republican.
	It's like finding a needle in a haystack and people get combatitive, people are drunk.
	It's really an unpleasant job.
	People drink on St. Paddy's Day.
	Oh, I didn't know.
	Yeah, they do.
	And the liberals get really uh violent sometimes in New York, because a couple of my volunteers uh got into confrontations in New York City, uh, going up to people and just saying, are you registered Republican?
	Well, you sign my friend's petition and people go crazy.
	But it's a very uh strenuous process, and going door to door doesn't really work anymore.
	People have ring doorbells because of the crime here in New York, nobody wants to open their doors.
	So basically, I'd say two 20% of people even open their doors anymore.
	So you have to really just find Republicans on the street and get them to sign your petition.
	The month of March, they purposefully choose because it's a very rainy month, and there are a lot of rainy weekends and torrential downpour.
	So that really takes a lot of the days out.
	So basically on average, I did the calculation.
	You would have to get 800 signatures per day, which is an undue burden and unconstitutional in order to get on the ballot here in New York.
	800 signatures a day, which is virtually impossible.
	But I somehow uh was able to get uh the a little bit above the minimum requirement of 15,000 because I had people from all over the state in a really grassroots effort because I've done a lot with medical freedom and the due process for the January 6th uh the January 6th prisoners and a lot of the other work that I've done I know a lot of people that are grassroots and they went out out of their way and they went to bat to send me signatures in the mail.
	I'm still getting them in the mail after the fact.
	So I was able to make the signatures I turn them into the party and I turn them into the board of elections and now they're literally taking me to court on all different levels trying to uh invalidate my signatures and my petitions because they're terrified of me.
	They know I will beat their crummy candidate um they know he's a loser and that he can't win and that's exactly what they want.
	So they're trying to knock me off the ballot by taking me to state court and saying that my whole entire petition is fraudulent uh which is ridiculous and arbitrary and they literally do this to every other non-establishment candidate that they're threatened by so it's not just me this is literally what the Republican Party does here in New York and nobody knows about it.
	Nobody knows that there's many people that want to run for office and they fight uh you know tooth and nail to be able to do so and fight for the people but the Republican Party itself stymies them and goes that other way to knock these people off the ballot and give one crummy contender that literally loses every single time.
	So that's the literal underlying root cause of all the issues that we have here in New York which is become a tyrannical horrific state with draconian laws being passed by terrible candidates that are owned by the uniparty because nobody could access the ballot.
	Nobody's able to run for office here in New York except one person and that's a coronated candidate and that is literally the root of all problems here in New York which I've discovered as a journalist going through this process.
	Well believe it or not it's not just exclusive to New York and I know that you mentioned Illinois but but even here in Texas we've we've got our own problems where um I I I dip my toe in the water to try to get politically involved and um I I talked to some local Republicans that are politically active and and some people that listen to my show and they said you know here's kind of the basic step to get involved and and get your name out there.
	And I I went to a couple local uh Travis County events and um the trav the thing is the Travis County Republicans actually like me obviously the voters like me but when I tried to become a precinct chair the powers that be stepped in and and banned me from becoming a precinct chair.
	It doesn't matter that I just like you it doesn't matter that I checked all the boxes doesn't matter that I had all the support it doesn't matter.
	They they control the levers of power and they turned them all off when the time came to nominate the precinct chair and I had the nomination and they just said nope Stroyer doesn't get it.
	They just they just totally denied it.
	And I I think what we're learning as as Republicans or conservatives uh patriots I think I think we're patriots above Republican or or conservative we're patriots first.
	And I think what the Patriots are learning that are trying to get involved is that yeah the system is rigged and and this is how they keep real Americans real fighters real patriots from actually getting into office.
	And and I mean it's funny because when I went to these events and I'm sure it's similar to you I'll I'll I'll I'll have you respond to this next when I went to these events and I gave speeches I even get invited to give speeches now they invite me to go to their events.
	When I went to these events and I gave speeches they were like wow yes like somebody finally talking like we talk somebody finally saying what we want to say it's not just political consume and digest it's this is the real deal and I had big donors coming up to me shaking my hand saying hey if you ever want to run you you know let me know what you need.
	Uh and so but then the party apparatus goes into gear and and blocks me off.
	Is that kind of the same experience that that you had yes a hundred percent so I went to the New York state convention and you know New York is a huge state.
	Everybody defines New York by the city but there's a ton of patriots upstate New York and across the many counties but sort of like the popular vote down here at the way it works with the Republican Party of downstate rules upstate because there's so many more people here that they basically use the weighted vote at the Republican prime I'm sorry at the Republican convention to control upstate New York.
	So upstate New York Has no say.
	And I actually politically align much more with upstate New York than I do downstate because I'm very much into the Constitution.
	I believe in the second amendment, the First Amendment, all of these things that here in New York City, like even Republicans don't even seem to think is important.
	So when I speak upstate or when I speak in front of just regular people here on Long Island, I get a lot of support.
	And when I spoke at the convention, a lot of the chair people and the delegates came up to me and said, We wish we could vote for you.
	But Ed Cox, the chairman has already mandated that we vote for their for his candidate who is a bad candidate, and we know you're better than him, and you're the only candidate that can beat Kirsten Gillibrant.
	But we can't vote for you because you know, Ed Cox told us, uh, we have to vote for this guy.
	So that it's really, really sad that that's the way it is that the party itself and all of the delegates and a lot of the chairs recognize that the candidate that they're putting up is a losing candidate and they can't vote for someone like me.
	Uh a lot of the people have said exactly what you said.
	I speak like a regular person.
	They could tell that I'm in it for the right reasons, that I'm fighting for the people, that I'm not an establishment person that's beholden to the party, and they really like that, but they're frustrated because uh, you know, I I'm literally being stripped of my voice.
	I am in court every single day and writing motions every single day.
	I'm fighting uh legal battles every single day when I should be out there campaigning.
	Similar, I guess, to Donald Trump.
	I mean, he's uh obviously in a much worse situation, I can't even imagine.
	But I'm literally my a lawyer now.
	I'm writing a motion.
	Um I just took steps away to speak to you that has to be in at 12 midnight into the federal courthouse.
	Uh literally consumed by legal problems right now, just trying to do the right thing and fight for my country and get on the ballot and you know, let the people decide.
	I'm being tied up in court when I could be campaigning, I could be fundraising, I could be securing endorsements.
	Um, my opponent now has a three-month head start on me.
	The primary is in two months, and I'm still fighting to get on the ballot.
	I have all the required signatures, but like I said, the primary is fight I'm I'm sorry, the Republican establishment here is fighting to the death to get me kicked off the ballot in court.
	So so okay, you're writing your motion.
	I mean, what what are the other key dates?
	What are what is the situation looking like right now?
	I mean, obviously you got the petitions signed.
	You probably thought, okay, I'm done with this, and then it was like, nope, here's 10 new hurdles.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly it.
	And that's what I'm writing to the judge right now.
	Like, you know, the requirements get 15,000 signatures and you have to have them in 13 different congressional districts across the state.
	It doesn't say anywhere in in the law, which I is unconstitutional anyway, and an undue burden.
	It doesn't say anyway that also you have to f fight the machine, the Republican Party, the Board of Elections, they're gonna come after you in court.
	They're gonna sue you, they're gonna come after you and get you knocked off the ballot.
	So part of the actual requirement is actually uh legally fighting the Republican Party.
	Now I find out, which obviously isn't in the laws, but they break the law all the time.
	Um, this actually was found unconstitutional here in New York, so that's why we're in federal court.
	I'm actually the aggressor on that one.
	The state case and the board of election case is all them, but I'm actually suing them aggressively in federal court because John McCain in the year 2000 and Steve Forbes, who's a billionaire, ran for president, and uh they were trying to get the delegates here in New York when George Bush was the establishment pick.
	Um, and they actually sued in federal court, and this whole petition gathering scheme, as they call it, was deemed unconstitutional in the Eastern District of New York.
	The federal court said this is unconstitutional and gave McCain and Steve Forbes ballot access.
	And like I said, these are millionaire and a billionaire who spent one spent a million dollars, the other one I think spent $700,000 paying petition walkers to get the 15,000 required uh signatures.
	And I think one of them only got like 15 or 16,000 signatures, even by paying people.
	I didn't pay a single person and still was unable to get on the ballot and had to use uh court to sue and a judge, a ra Ronald Reagan appointed judge, uh said, All right, they're getting ballot access because this petition gathering scheme is unconstitutional, it's an undue burden.
	And let me uh say, which I haven't told the audience, they use these petitions to set traps to make people make mistakes when they sign their address so that they can invalidate them.
	And the judge recognized that in the year 2000 and said he calls it the town city trap because they actually what town you live in, and New York, I don't know how it is in Texas, like in New York, you a lot of people mistake their town for what their hamlet or their village is, and 99% of the people fall for the town city trap,
	and it's a trap that's intentionally set so that the Board of Elections and the Republican Party, and and I guess the Democrat Party as well on their end, could scratch off the signature of the person and go against the will of the signer and say, Nope, you fell into the town city trap, you put the wrong town, we're invalidating your signature.
	So 99% of people fall for that, and um, if they fall for that, their signature is invalidated.
	So that's something I'm fighting in court as well, because when John McCain fought that in the year two thousand, like I said, the judge said this is unconstitutional.
	You're setting traps called the town city trap.
	It was deemed as such.
	And he granted uh John McCain pretty much ballot access that year.
	Okay.
	Now is that kind of it's a lot, I know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But is that kind of in response to the people saying that this is normal and they're saying, oh, you don't know what you're talking about.
	They always do this.
	No, it's it's uncont it's it's really like it I really wish I could explain it.
	I don't know the geography and like the way that Texas uh is with with this villages and towns.
	But say for example, somebody like everybody says I live in Staten Island, you know, so if they have to put Richmond County, like nobody does that.
	It's just not layman's like terms.
	Say people will write Staten Island, New York.
	Or if they actually what um what city you live in, they'll say Staten Island, they won't say New York City.
	It's just a mistake the common person will make.
	That's just very a very one very small example, but they will use that to scratch off a signature.
	But 99% of the people make the mistake.
	So it's it's literally set like a trap.
	Like if they said to me, What town are you from?
	And I would say Elmont, no, they say no, you live in the town of Hempstead because that's the overlying town above me.
	But literally everybody that signed my petition from Elmont when they ask them what town they live in, they say Elmont.
	So it's a common trap people fall into, and it's literally set uh to be able to scratch off signatures.
	Uh people that sign their name, they'll put their full address.
	So I don't even know why they're asking what the town is because there's a line to sign, there's a line to write your name, there's a line to put your full address, and then there's a lot a random line that says what town do you live in, which is a completely uh nonsensical thing to put on there because your full address already identifies you in the voter roll and it really shows that you're a registered Republican or registered voter.
	There's no need for them to ask for the town.
	The only reason they ask for the town is to set a trap for somebody to fall into and answer the question incorrectly, which, like I said, 90%, 90 to 90 per nine percent of people do, and then they're able to scratch off that signature because the person answered the question incorrectly because of the way that um they name towns here in Long Island and upstate New York and the counties and the cities of uh, you know, if you write Brooklyn and you're supposed to write Kings.
	If you write um, you know, uh ri Richmond County is Staten Island.
	So a lot of people fall for the trap.
	They just say, Oh, I'm from Brooklyn, or I'm from the Bronx, you know, Brooklyn is King's County.
	So, like I said, if you mess up that question, your signature is scratched off.
	And it's it's literally designed that way to deny people ballot access.
	And they haven't changed that rule since the year 2000, even though John McCain was given ballot access.
	I guess he really didn't fight to have the rule changed because I guess, you know, I'm not gonna say he was selfish, but once he was on the ballot, he didn't care anymore if the law was changed.
	And that's not going to be me.
	If I get on the ballot, when I get on the ballot, I'm going to fight because there's law to be changed that we could get real candidates running for office that aren't stymied by these ridiculous arbitrary traps and rules that the Republican Party, the BOE, and the Democrat Party all uh conspired together to set to keep people off the ballot and to keep the uniparty completely in power here.
	Well, I know you're gonna take this fight to the end, and um I I can uh I can imagine the efforts that you're making, but you're truly committed.
	I admire you for that.
	You're you're putting your skin in the game.
	You're putting your you're sweating there, you're losing hours of sleep, you're putting it all on the line for the country.
	So I really respect that.
	And uh I I really just I mean, I hope you can get across the finish line, obviously, but I just hope that more people like you get involved in the process.
	And I and I feel like that's what this is gonna have to take, is we just have to overwhelm the system, you know.
	And uh it can't just be care Casanova.
	There needs to be five care cassernovas running in New York City.
	Uh it can't just be Marjorie.
	Exactly it.
	It can't just be Marjorie Taylor Green up there in the house and outside talking to the media.
	There need to be 20 Marjorie Taylor Greens um telling it like it is.
	And so I think that that's the issue is just we we just have to overwhelm the system.
	Maybe reinforcements will arrive.
	Uh, but for the time being, we appreciate you for holding the front lines there, Cara.
	And um I wish you the best of luck moving forward.
	Can I say something in closing, um, Owen?
	Uh that I did the two seconds, just like a person that's establishment candidate can never ever be beholden to the people.
	There's now I've discovered there's three guys in the back room that literally picked the establishment candidate.
	And even if they're a good, well-intentioned, good person, because I've met a lot of good politicians that are good people, they change once they're beholden to the party.
	So as long as the system remains when three guys in a back room, un and I know their names, I'm not gonna name their names, but I know their names are picking the candidate, they always know that they owe their allegiance to those three men, and those three men will write their bills for them.
	They will cre they will be their new voice and they will tell them what their talking points are, and they will always be beholden to them.
	So as long as the system we have stays in place, uh nobody is ever, there's never going to be a politician, a Senate candidate, a congressional candidate that could actually be beholden to the people of the state of New York.
	And that is like what I've discovered.
	That is why we are in such dire straits right now.
	If you're an establishment pick, you will never, ever, ever be able to effectively represent the people.
	So that's why I'm fighting this, and I'm realizing what the problem here is.
	It is literally these men in the party.
	It really is the truth.
	There's three of them, four of them that are running things here in New York, and it's illegal and it's unconstitutional and needs to stop.
	It's the same thing around the country.
	And uh we're going through this now, we're learning this now, but that's what we had to do.
	We had to step into the arena, and we had to learn all the booby traps.
	We had to learn all the rigged ropes, we had to learn all the pitfalls, but we're doing it, you're doing it, and God bless you for it.
	Kara, thank you for your time tonight.
	And uh get back to work.
	Thank you, Owen.
	God bless you.
	All right, good night.
	Yeah, that's another one we need to get in there.
	It's a long shot, folks, but uh, she's putting in it all.
	She's she's giving it all.
	And I I I know what it's like to just put it all on the line.
	All right.
	Okay, our guests for the night are expired, if you will.
	We've expired our guests.
	All right, who who wants to who wants to make a guess of what CNN is talking about right now?
	Anyone want to have a guess?
	Go ahead.
	Place your bets.
	What do you think CNN is talking about?
	Did you guess, did you guess Trump?
	Oh, how'd you know?
	How did you know?
	My goodness, I don't know.
	Wow, they're talking about Trump.
	I never do that.
	Should we check in on our friends at MSNBC too?
	Man, we got you know, if you're a sports fan, I uh what are the best months as a sports fan?
	It's gotta be April and it's gotta be October.
	October, you get playoff baseball and the football season in in full swing.
	But in April, you get playoff hockey and basketball, baseball season starting up.
	What do you think MSNBC is talking about?
	Oh yeah, I'm a snivelling little liberal, and I love abusing government power.
	And even though I'm a man in this thing sitting next to me as a woman, you notice that we look a lot alike.
	Yes, I'm an angry host, Lawrence O'Donnell.
	I scream and break things because I don't get my way very often.
	I don't have any friends.
	I was bullied when I was in high school.
	Anybody else here bullied in high school?
	I was bullied a lot in high school, grade school too.
	I remember one time I went to the bathroom, I got a wedgie, and then the next time it was an atomic wedgie.
	That's a memory I don't like to think about, but I'm talking about it here.
	What do you think about that?
	They're obsessed.
	They're obsessed.
	There's nothing else going on, folks.
	It's all protests, it's all it's all Israel, Palestine protests.
	It's all Trump, Trump, Trump.
	Should we make fun of you guys like when I make fun of Lawrence O'Donnell?
	I know that this is hard to talk about, but it was right there.
	It was right in the bathroom stall.
	I was putting down a dookie.
	Wow, that sounds really awful.
	I I I will tell you, I'll open up right here.
	I'll open up right here as a just security fellow.
	I had no security in high school, none at all.
	It was really hard for me, actually.
	I I got an atomic wedgie every Monday morning.
	Oh, wow, that's brutal.
	Uh huh.
	That's really tough.
	Yeah, I I every day I would show up on Monday, and I knew that the first thing that would happen to start my week was an atomic wedgie.
	It became really hard.
	They started naming me Wedgie Boy.
	Brutal.
	Yeah, wedgie boy.
	Can you imagine trying to go through four years of high school as wedgie boy?
	You probably nobody would Trump doesn't have to know about that.
	This is the pain that we have as liberals.
	I was never cool.
	Nobody ever liked me.
	Whoa, well, that's a compelling story.
	Most of uh my audience can relate to the pain and the anguish of being a liberal loser.
	Well, let me just take one look at me.
	You think I had a good time at high school?
	I've always looked like this.
	So they would call me little boy, even though I'm clearly a wabbed.
	They would call me Melissa as a man.
	So I have a lot of hate and resent for humanity.
	Because when you look like this at high school, people have no respect.
	Well, yeah.
	Well, it's hard to respect you even now at this desk.
	I'll be honest.
	I take one look at you.
	And I I can't take you seriously, actually.
	It's really hard for me to even look at you.
	In fact, who who put you on this show?
	We're gonna have to talk to the producers about this.
	I I don't understand why you're even at this desk with me right now looking like that.
	It's an embarrassment.
	Yes, I kind of look like a bird.
	You do look like a bird.
	I noticed that you look like a bird.
	In fact, I I think I'm gonna start calling you birdman.
	How can we relate this to Trump?
	Is there any way we can tie this into Trump?
	Well, yeah, I I can I can probably tie anything to Trump.
	Actually, in fact, I I think I'd like to tie Trump up.
	You know?
	That kind of came out wrong, but you know what I mean.
	Tie him up in the legal system.
	Yeah, I'm kind of a dirty, dirty crook myself.
	I mean, just take one look at me.
	Um but yeah, I haven't fantasized about tying Trump up.
	No, that was her.
	She did that.
	She was the one that fantasized about Trump tying him up, not me.
	Come on.
	All right.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Should we take some calls?
	You guys want to take some calls.
	Should we uh open up the phone lines?
	Would you guys like to open up the phone lines, take some calls before we sign off for the night, take a couple calls, see who's man enough to call in.
	Yeah, I by the way, for those in the chat.
	I do have my book list right here.
	I have all my letters and everything is still sitting right here.
	It's a problem of procrastination, and I don't have enough time in the day.
	I've got a lot of things.
	I want to give shout outs to the people that wrote me.
	I want to respond to some of the letters.
	I want to show you some of the other things I wrote, and I want to write my book, but um just really busy, and so it's just been hard to find the time to do all that.
	But but I kind of enjoy the doubters, to be honest with you.
	Because doubters make it all so much sweeter.
	The doubters make it all so much sweeter when you pull through.
	So keep doubting me.
	But hey, we got protests.
	And there, yeah, they can't stop talking about the protests.
	It's the biggest thing ever.
	It's the only thing that's going on.
	You know.
	There's nothing else going on but protests.
	All right, let's take a couple calls before we sign off for the night.
	Uh 20 minutes left.
	We can squeeze some calls in.
	Let's take the first caller.
	What's your name and where are you from?
	Yeah, this is Albert from Pennsylvania.
	Hey, Albert, how are we doing tonight, bud?
	Good, good, good, Owen.
	Um, huge shout out to the new gear there.
	I I got a couple of the new shirts that you released there last week.
	I think it's supposed to come in uh tomorrow there.
	What we put out the obey and was that disobeyed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	But um, no, uh uh two great uh guests there, Owen.
	Um, I I really like uh Tara Castro November there.
	I've I've seen her on your show a bunch of times, and I think she's a uh a real good fighter and a good patriot, and um definitely not part of uh the uh swamp uh establishment, you know.
	Oh, a hundred percent.
	I actually met her and some of her family.
	She's got some family here in Austin.
	She was here visiting, and um they were really nice people too.
	Oh, yeah, no, no, no, great, great.
	Um I just wanted to call in and uh if you don't mind, um quick plug.
	I just wanted to uh plug to the audience again about um the Owen Defense.com.
	Um to to make sure that everyone out there knows that you know we gotta fight for for all of our freedoms, and you're you're the one on the front on the front lines fighting for us, and I just feel that um I don't know, like like whatever, like I understand that you know it's times are hard and this and that, but we can get a, you know, however many people out there the one to to just chip in a dollar or two, you know, we can really um uh make some make progress on that.
	And um uh I'm willing to uh uh you know put my money where my mouth is.
	So I've been trying to uh give um what I can like once a week to try to help you out there.
	Well, you're a P1 supporter, uh, my friend, and I am eternally grateful.
	I hope to meet you and shake your hand someday.
	And you know, I thank you.
	I I I feel uh I I feel truly blessed.
	I mean I am truly blessed for the support I've had.
	I honestly feel disgusting how much I've had to spend on legal bills.
	It's actually a filthy, disgusting feeling.
	Uh and I'm just grateful that I've had an audience that uh doesn't want me to have to bear the the brute of that burden and has come through for me when I've needed legal help.
	Now once we hit 10,000, the case is going to the Supreme Court.
	It's just that's that's literally the cost of file.
	Um and then I'm I'm speaking to my lawyers now, but I think we're gonna make a big announcement probably first or second week in May.
	We're just we're just waiting for the right time.
	We're getting a lot of things in order and a lot of ducks in a row.
	And like I said, I I'm not the one that wants to break this big story.
	I'm not surprised that nobody else wants to break this be for obvious reasons because it's like, well, nobody else, nobody wants to jump into the uh hot lava in a volcano.
	So, but if you had the right gear or whatever, then maybe you jump you jump, or you can like fly over on a drone or something.
	So we're we're we're preparing ourselves, and if it still takes two, three weeks before nobody wants to talk about it, then I guess we'll be the ones to break it.
	But um, I'll have a legal update with the Supreme Court and some other things coming up in about a week or two.
	Um, but it's just crazy, man.
	It's crazy what you go through as a conservative in the media.
	Um, and even though I feel disgusting having to pay these legal fees to deal with it, I am also I'm also grateful and blessed that I have people that want me to continue in the fight and uh support me all the way.
	Oh, well, no, absolutely, Owen.
	And uh I really enjoy listening to to your show every night uh when I get home from work and calling in and that.
	And tomorrow is primary election day here in uh Pennsylvania, and I'm gonna be going to the polls, I'm sure rocking one of your shirts, probably one of the more subtle ones, like maybe like the rise one.
	I don't want to get kicked out, you know, or something like that.
	But um uh definitely happy to support you, and uh thanks for taking my call, and I'll let you uh get some more callers for tonight.
	I think the clown world is the best one to wear to vote.
	I I think it's neutral and it'll resonate with everybody actually.
	Hey, thanks for the call.
	Let's take another caller.
	What's your name?
	Where you from?
	This is Barton, Georgia.
	And I was um thinking about um uh those people in Congress waving around Ukrainian flags and everything.
	Always be going back to Rush Limbaugh, but an endless parade of human debris.
	Oh I see.
	Yeah, marching right into Congress and taking a fat shit on all of us.
	Tell me about it.
	Oh man, I I would invoke my interrush limball, but we already did the impersonation, so we'll just move on to the next caller.
	What's your name?
	Where you from?
	Can you hear me, brother?
	Yeah, we got you.
	Hey, it's Trent, the guy that rides the uh race of children's books.
	I'm just you know, bro, literally disgusted as you are.
	Like everybody's talking, everybody's talking, everybody's talking.
	We're all talking, but we're not changing anything.
	We're not changing the legislation.
	There's no sheriffs arresting these treasonous dogs.
	You know, it's it's a big travesty.
	And like we can, you know, you and me, bro, we're both of the same loin when it comes to criminal, you know, you know, charges, bro.
	It it's it's crazy.
	Dealing, you know, not having what it would you need monetarily to save this planet.
	Like Gerald Salinti said earlier on the Alex Jones in the fourth hour.
	If all these billionaires gave a billion dollars, there wouldn't be no more freaking problems.
	We don't need war.
	I don't love Hitler.
	I don't like Hitler, but I do wish he went back to art school and IBM didn't fund World War II or whoever funded World War One.
	Like there's no need for frickin' war, brother.
	No.
	This is just a good thing.
	No, there's no need for war.
	There's no need for a hundred billion dollars annually for foreign countries.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Americans are are being pushed to the ledge, but it's like eventually we're gonna get to that ledge and we're gonna look over and see we're gonna fall into the abyss or push back.
	And so you and I have already been pushed over the ledge to an extent.
	We're we're just waiting for the reinforcements to to go through this and realize what's going on.
	I still see a way to peacefully and politically do this, that's why I do this.
	And I understand the whole talking point of well, all we do is talk, all we do is talk.
	Well, you know, talking is not worthless, I would say.
	Um I think when you're talking about politicians and when you're talking about people that are actually in positions of power to change things, well, then we're getting sick of the talk there.
	All right, let's take another call.
	What's your name?
	Where are you from?
	Hey, this is Cedric from Alabama.
	What's up, Cedric?
	Hey, uh I I'm glad I called in at this time because we're talking about action, right?
	What can we as conservatives or people that just love America?
	What can we do?
	For example, we know the election is in November.
	So if you're uh one that wants to reinforce the integrity of our voting system, be a poll watcher, be a poll worker, go ahead and do the training now.
	Sign up with your local probate or secretary of state, learn that process, get that training down packed.
	You can actually print out election law of your state, but participate.
	Uh just like Alex Jones and and you always tell us, Owen, this is a participating event.
	This is a participation.
	Uh the republic is about if we can keep it, right?
	So that's one thing we can do.
	Another thing, right now in the state of Alabama in a couple of weeks, uh, people in the Democratic and Republican Party, we're gonna have conventions, and every other state does this as well.
	They elect delegates to the national conventions.
	So participate there.
	If you're an active member of a political party, be a part of those conventions.
	Make sure that you show up and you hold the line for liberty.
	Another thing that we can do, uh, Owen, you're just one person.
	Alex, just one person.
	Uh the amazing staff there at InfoWars, they're just one individual at a time.
	Each state, we should have volunteers openly sending you guys information about how tyranny is showing its ugly head, whichever head of the hydra is showing, in our particular neck of the woods.
	There's plenty of things that we can do.
	One thing that I know for a fact, living in the state of Alabama, right down the street from me is Selma.
	Every year the demograph uh the demographs, they get together and perform the ritual of the Selma to Montgomery March.
	We as conservatives, we as people that love this nation, we can't fall into the same ritual of doing what was already done.
	There's plenty of things that we can do right now that can participate that can hold the line for liberty.
	And quite frankly, I don't think they're going to try to steal this election the same way they did, because for example, oh, when if someone breaks into your back door, more than likely the next time they try to break in, they're not gonna go through your back door because common sense is you're in reinforced that back door.
	So and I would also say, and and you're on a rant, you're on a you're you're on a good one here, but but I I I think that that's a good observation.
	And I I think if you look at 2020 and 2024, you notice that their panic is a lot greater this go-around.
	It their panic, this go-around in in the potential of losing to Trump is is amplified.
	It it's a lot, it's a lot more of a panic attack than what we dealt with in 2020.
	And so I I think that you're definitely on to something with that.
	Not to say they aren't gonna try, but I think that it's like you said, well, we've seen what they've done, so we're reinforcing the weaknesses.
	And you know, you know, maybe I do something like it's just the problem is in live media, and it's it's a it's it's a rock in a hard place.
	Like I could try to dedicate part of my show to doing that.
	I could call it a tyranny watch and just have people call in and you say, hey, what are the tyrants up to in your neighborhood and just kind of give it an update and just vibe with that?
	But the problem is in live media is you always have to be open to change and and with there's a live news story breaking and or there's just other things that we need to cover.
	So it's not it's not a bad idea.
	Maybe I can implement that enough.
	And here's one other thing.
	Folks, the the least you can do, the least you can do, send a message to your representative, send them an email, call their offices.
	It's the easiest thing you can do.
	And while it might not be the most impactful, it's it's something.
	It's something.
	If I ask you to make a ripple in the pond and you say, Well, I uh I don't know what to do.
	Well, if there's a little pebble sitting on at your foot, all you gotta do is pick up the pebble and throw it in.
	You're gonna make a ripple.
	Might not be the same as a boulder, but you'll make a ripple.
	Hey, thank you for the call, Cedric.
	I'm glad you called in tonight as well.
	I want to squeeze in a couple more before we're off here.
	Next caller, what's your name?
	Where you're from?
	Um Joe from Vegas.
	All right.
	All right, Joe.
	Well, I just want to let you know earlier I did uh put in a note to my uh congresswoman and also the representative.
	So I actually felt really relieved after I do and uh, you know, it's the only thing I really can do.
	So that was a great idea.
	Uh you know, encourage others to do that as well.
	Um, you know, I almost shed a tear looking at you know the Democrats in the House waving the flag of another nation, you know.
	That's really disgusting.
	It's disgusting.
	Disgusting.
	And uh, you know, people are waking up everywhere I go.
	I see people in the grocery shops, they're talking about Bidynomics and how much worse off they are everywhere I go.
	I don't know if I just have a dear for it, but I swear every single place I go, someone's talking about it, and uh it's it's not even you know, me trying to bring it up or nothing, just people talking about it, just random people.
	And I think the public is waking up.
	I think you're right.
	If uh, you know, uh another rig goes in, the whole country's gonna be even the Democrats are gonna say, what the hell?
	Like they're gonna know the fix is in, that it's gonna be retaliation, but it's been disgusting to see what's been going on uh as an American, and uh it's really sad.
	But we have a great Americans like uh Marjorie Taylor Green, the lady that was just you know on with you earlier, your guests.
	Um, you know, that that's our our best hope.
	But keeping the people well informed.
	I've been telling everyone I know about altars breaking news, because that's the most important thing, keeping everyone well informed, and I appreciate what you do.
	And um yeah, I also had a question about that guy.
	Uh I don't know if you saw him, uh Pascal and uh the Dahy guy that was on Alex show.
	He was uh killing golfing pretty much off the deep end.
	I don't know uh what your thoughts on uh that guy was.
	Well, I I I I hadn't I hadn't heard of him before today.
	I I thought it was a fun interview.
	I mean, I'm kind of a classic talk radio guy, so I like stuff that's compelling, interesting, even if I disagree with if it if it makes you think or make you want to stand up and disagree.
	I think that's classic talk radio.
	So I thought it was a great segment.
	Um, but as far as other than that, I don't know much about the guy.
	It wasn't my guest, so I mean, I can't say too much about it.
	I mean, I listened like you.
	The strange thing to me about all the Q stuff is because I still have people sending me the Q stuff every day, and it's like every timeline, uh every every depart demarcation line, every bullet point that they put out there, it never comes through.
	So it's just like when do you just accept that all the things that you said was gonna happen on those days and it never happened.
	It's like I don't they keep moving the goalpost.
	So hey, I I I wish Q was real.
	Uh I I wish that you know there was a secret group of patriots saving the country and the planet.
	Um you know what, as far as why he believes that stuff, you know, they kind of just act like it's matter of fact, which in a way makes it even more interesting and compelling.
	Uh, but you know, as far as what I think of the guest, I didn't know much about him.
	Um, so I just I just watched and heard that part of the Alex Jones show like you did.
	And um to me, it's just classic talk radio.
	And so I enjoyed it.
	All right, let's take another call.
	What's your name?
	Where you're from?
	Me.
	You yeah.
	Uh John from Minneapolis.
	Hey, I'm pissed.
	Okay.
	I I just gotta tell you that you have what you need to show to people is people jump, those frogs jumping out of the water.
	Keep poking them, poking them, because once we get enough people, we're gonna, you know, we're gonna have to all go to frickin' jail or whatever.
	Well, they'll they'll love to put us all in jail.
	They want to kill Donald Trump.
	And going back to what the last caller said, you know, COVID was a perfect smoke screen for them to pull what they pulled off in 2020.
	They don't have it, and people aren't buying it.
	They're not gonna buy it this go-around.
	They're not gonna buy Joe Biden getting more votes than Barack Obama.
	I mean, they're just it's just ridiculous.
	I know, but here's the thing.
	It's like we just cannot accept what's going on.
	All right, and there's and our country is full of terrorists right now.
	You know that from the the open border.
	There we're full of terrorists, and it's gonna it's gonna pop.
	And so we're gonna have to stand up, and we have to get all together, all together.
	We're gonna have to say no more.
	You know, and it's not this old let's put God and family first and all that.
	No, too late for that.
	We already have a family, and we already believe in God.
	But we're gonna have to jump out of this pot of boiling water real soon.
	And that's and I want the FBI.
	I hope the FBI is listening to me right now, and I want them to take me to jail.
	Okay, you don't.
	No, you don't.
	Well, those people that are in the gulag right now, those J6 protesters, they're just like you and me.
	They just they knew that election was stolen.
	And did you see what Nancy Pelosi said?
	Oh, yeah, the mega, they're trying to uh destroy our election system.
	Yeah, they got a system, all right.
	This is this is crazy.
	Yeah, the dead voters, the the voters that left the state.
	Yeah, they you're right.
	They got a system.
	It's called cheating, and we are disrupting it.
	Absolutely.
	All right, we've had a show, haven't we, tonight?
	We've had a good show.
	Want to thank everybody for tuning in with me on this Monday night and calling in and the guests and everything else.
	And I think I think for our outro tonight, uh, I I think I we I think we want a little more Sum 41.
	Well, we're gonna lighten it up.
	A little new.
	This is from their new album.
	This is from their new album.
	Some 41 Landmines.
	This is a little more back to the roots, a little more punk rock for Sum 41.
	It's a little less heavy than we've been going out with lately, but uh, I've just been really digging this album, Heaven and Hell from Sum 41.
	And uh really a underappreciated and underrated band, I would say, is some 41.
	So if you're feeling it, get your dancing emojis out for the chat.
	I sign off for tonight.
	We will see you tomorrow on the InfoWars War Room.
	Peace and love, friends.
	Peace and love.
	Peace and love.
	And I don't want to believe that maybe this is the end, and though you kind of a tease, but this is really pretend.
	Something tells me I'm wrong, but you I never can tell the way you drag me along to live.
	Why don't the haters ever call in, by the way?
	The haters never call in.
	You're frauds and cowards.
	You never call in.
	Maybe next time.
	Love is dead, but what you said has got me hanging on.
	I can't have to walk through, you land mice, dead feed, and I'm going to live.
	I'm not right without you.
	Is that so low?
	I can't have the walk through you, let mice.
	I'll bleed and allowing us aside.
	I'm out here and not being winning so you got me hanging on.
	You got me hanging.
	Maybe I'm out of luck, maybe out of this bad.
	I'm not sure why they broke up.
	It was the best that I had to say it's up for the best.
	I think the fate is a lie And now my hair is a mess And you're a little bit high Should I give it a chance?
	Is it ever enough?
	No more blood on the hands No more fucking it up Going out of my head All the tears that I've had And what you said It's got me hanging on.
	I can't help the walk to you, line mice.

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