Harrison Smith and guests dissect the Fort Huachuca saga, where his anonymous source’s claims about Charlie Kirk’s alleged fears of Israel—later corroborated by others—sparked accusations of cover-ups from critics like Candace Owens, who denies prior knowledge despite her husband’s earlier contact. Meanwhile, Patrick Byrne warns the CIA is sabotaging Trump’s Venezuela strategy by hiding $2.7T in stolen funds and blocking key informants like imprisoned intelligence chief Hugo Carval. The episode also exposes Minnesota’s "Feeding Our Future" fraud, tracing billions to Kenya, China, and Somalia while implicating Governor Tim Walz, tying it to broader systemic corruption. Smith rejects punishing entire groups (e.g., Somalis) for individual actions but frames demographic shifts as existential threats, linking them to medieval secret societies like the Freemasons. The discussion culminates in warnings of deep-state "enemy lists" and potential escalations, including assassinations, while Alex Jones pivots to promoting supplements—underscoring the show’s mix of geopolitical conspiracy and commercial appeals. [Automatically generated summary]
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, coming to you live this Tuesday afternoon.
30th of December.
Hope everybody's doing well.
It's going to be a bit of a different show today.
Bit of a different show because I went on Alex with Alex at around two or around one, I guess.
And I've been arguing online for the last hour.
So I don't have a daily dispatch to give you.
I've got a bunch of news from today.
To be honest, it's a little bit of a slow news day.
And a lot of the energy is being sucked up, at least in my Twitter feed, by this Candace Owens thing.
I guess I'm lucky I have, I guess I'm lucky I have a radio show where I can just talk about this because, man, nothing makes sense on Twitter.
Everything is insane on Twitter, folks.
And so if you're not playing along on Twitter, I'll try to give you the quick rundown.
But essentially, last night, I do a Twitter space with Candace Owens talking about this Fort Wachaka conundrum, this saga.
And at some point in this, they ask about the fact that I, a month before Charlie Kirk's murder, tweeted out that I'd heard that Charlie Kirk was afraid that if he went against Israel, they would kill him.
And they asked me who my source was, and I said, my source has asked me not to say, so I'm not going to say.
And I was like, okay, that's fine.
Then people were posting that clip and it was going around online today.
People going, you know, Harrison says he never told the FBI.
And the FBI has never reached out to me.
They've never contacted me.
Nobody's ever asked me about how I knew that.
The thing is, it's not my information.
I was reporting what somebody told me.
I don't actually know.
Well, I do now, but I never did.
I mean, they could have gotten in contact with that person.
There's also other people that have made exactly the same claim.
I'm the only one that made it publicly before the assassination, but I know since the assassination, multiple people have made this claim, including people that were not my source have made the claim to Candace Owens herself and Max Blumenthal.
So there's at least three people who have all made this claim from firsthand knowledge.
I'm making it from secondhand knowledge.
Regardless, I wake up this morning to a phone call from a journalist buddy who says, hey, there's a guy in D.C., there's an official that wants to talk to you about the space last night.
And I said, all right, have him call me.
So they give me a call and they say, hey, I know you had this source and I'm not asking you to give up the source.
You want to protect your source and I would never ask you to betray that.
But if you have any more information, if your source wants to talk to us, I'd love to hear from them.
So I go, okay, great.
I'll tell them.
Hang up, call my source.
Hey, man, this agency just reached out to me.
They want to know if you want to talk to them.
Turns out my source and the guy, the official, kind of know each other.
So I was like, oh, yeah, I'll call him and let him know.
So I connect the source.
So then I go online and all these people are going, why is Harrison not?
Why would he not tell anybody?
And I go, hey, guys, here's an update.
They reach out to me.
They want to talk to my source.
And I put them in contact with my source.
Okay.
Again, does this make sense?
Does this follow?
Is this logical?
I don't know.
I mean, apparently I'm crazy.
Apparently I'm covering things up.
Apparently I'm like, and it's weird.
Like, this is the side.
This is how it happened.
Right?
People are like, why don't you tell the FBI?
I go, hey, here's an update.
They contacted me, asked me if my source wanted to say anything.
So I connected my source.
Then people are like, I can't believe you'd give up your source like that.
Like, I didn't give up my source.
I told my source a phone number to call if they wanted to reach out.
My source said, oh, yeah, I'll reach out.
But it's like, it's like nothing I do.
It's like, oh, why didn't you tell the FBI?
I don't know.
They never reach out to me.
But hey, now I have told somebody.
Well, why did you tell somebody?
Well, I didn't just tell them who my source was.
I put them in contact with my source.
Why would you put them in contact?
Oh, this is very suspicious.
I used to trust you, but now I don't know.
And I'm just like, what did I do?
What am I doing wrong?
Somebody tell me what I'm doing that's giving you the impression that I'm being anything other than perfectly honest about all of this.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, coming to you live this Tuesday afternoon, 30th of December.
Hope everybody's doing well.
It's going to be a bit of a different show today.
Bit of a different show because I went on Alex with Alex at around two or around one, I guess.
And then I've been arguing online for the last hour.
So I don't have a daily dispatch to give you.
I've got a bunch of news from today.
To be honest, it's a little bit of a slow news day.
And a lot of the energy is being sucked up, at least in my Twitter feed, by this Candace Owens thing.
I guess I'm lucky I have a radio show where I can just talk about this because, man, nothing makes sense on Twitter.
Everything is insane on Twitter, folks.
And so if you're not playing along on Twitter, I'll try to give you the quick rundown.
But essentially, last night, I do a Twitter space with Candace Owens talking about this Fort Wachaka conundrum, this saga.
And at some point in this, they ask about the fact that I, a month before Charlie Kirk's murder, tweeted out that I'd heard that Charlie Kirk was afraid that if he went against Israel, they would kill him.
And they asked me who my source was, and I said, my source has asked me not to say, so I'm not going to say.
And I was like, okay, that's fine.
Then people were posting that clip and it was going around online today.
People going, you know, Harrison says he never told the FBI.
The FBI has never reached out to me.
They've never contacted me.
Nobody's ever asked me about how I knew that.
The thing is, it's not my information.
I was reporting what somebody told me.
I don't actually know.
Well, I do now, but I never did.
I mean, they could have gotten in contact with that person.
There's also other people that have made exactly the same claim.
I'm the only one that made it publicly before the assassination, but I know since the assassination, multiple people have made this claim, including people that were not my source, have made the claim to Candace Owens herself and Max Blumenthal.
So there's at least three people who have all made this claim from firsthand knowledge.
I'm making it from secondhand knowledge.
Regardless, I wake up this morning to a phone call from a journalist buddy who says, hey, there's a guy in DC.
There's an official that wants to talk to you about the space last night.
And I said, all right, have him call me.
So they give me a call and they say, hey, I know you had this source and I'm not asking you to give up the source.
You want to protect your source and I would never ask you to betray that.
If you have any more information, if your source wants to talk to us, I'd love to hear from them.
So I go, okay, great.
I'll tell them.
Hang up, call my source.
Hey, man, this agency just reached out to me.
They want to know if you want to talk to them.
Turns out my source and the guy, the official, kind of know each other.
So I was like, oh, yeah, I'll call them and let him know.
So I connect the source.
So then I go online, and all these people are going, why is Aaron not?
Why would he not tell anybody?
And I go, hey, guys, here's an update.
They reach out to me.
They want to talk to my source.
And I put them in contact with my source.
Okay.
Again, does this make sense?
Does this follow?
Is this logical?
I don't know.
I mean, apparently I'm crazy.
Apparently, I'm covering things up.
Apparently, I'm like, and it's, it's weird.
Like, this is the side.
This is how it happened, right?
People are like, why don't you tell the FBI?
I go, hey, here's an update.
They contact me, ask me if my source wants to say anything.
So I connected my source.
Then people are like, I can't believe you'd give up your source like that.
Like, I didn't give up my source.
I told my source a phone number to call if they wanted to reach out.
My source said, oh, yeah, I'll reach out.
But it's like, it's like nothing I do.
It's like, oh, why didn't you, why didn't you tell the FBI?
I don't know.
They never reach out to me.
But hey, now I have told somebody.
Well, why did you tell somebody?
Well, I didn't just tell them who my source was.
I put them in contact with my source.
Why would you put them in contact?
Oh, this is very suspicious.
I used to trust you, but now I don't know.
And I'm just like, what did I do?
What am I doing wrong?
Somebody tell me what I'm doing that's giving you the impression that I'm being anything other than perfectly honest about all of this.
I'm going to be joined in just a few minutes by Patrick Byrne.
He's got some breaking news about the war with Venezuela.
Then we'll be joined in studio by Elizabeth Lane.
She was just on with Alex.
She wants to talk about Candace Owens.
She wants to kind of defend her.
So I'm sure we'll hash out some of this stuff with her at four o'clock.
And then I'll be joined at five o'clock by Ivan Rakelin, who is there, I guess, as we speak in the hearing with the January 6th Pipe Bomber.
So we'll be getting some updates to the January 6th Pipe Bomber story.
But again, you know, I think I'm being trolled.
I think it's the same thing that happened.
Remember last, it's a week ago.
It was a week ago, Tuesday, week ago today, that I basically said the same thing.
That it's like, I'm being gaslit by Candace Owens' audience into thinking I'm gaslighting them.
Remember, last Tuesday, I was going, what am I even supposed to be gaslighting?
I don't even know what your claim is.
So I don't even know what it is I'm supposed to be gaslighting you about.
What is your theory of the case?
So we can discuss it.
And I can't get a theory.
I can't get a claim.
The claims they do make, they then say, oh, no, we never made that claim.
And it's just like, what are we doing here, folks?
And it is frustrating because, again, I literally am just completely upfront.
Like, I wish, I wish I was this conniving, you know, Machiavellian person.
I'd probably be wealthier.
I'd probably be richer.
I'd probably have more stuff.
I'm just, I'm just not that.
Like, I got no, I got no special attributes.
All I can do is literally just tell you what I think is going on and tell you what I think the truth is and bring you information as it comes to me.
And that's all I do.
Okay.
Yeah, this is it.
So again, people are like, oh my God, why would you not tell the government who your source is?
It's like, well, they never asked.
I don't know.
I'm not going to.
How do you even call the FBI?
I don't even know what that means.
I mean, I made the tweet.
It was public.
It's been public the whole time.
I've done interviews about it.
It's been like an international news story.
If the FBI ever wanted to reach out, they've got my number.
They never did.
That's my fault, apparently.
That makes me suspicious.
I should have called the FBI and said, Hey, FBI, I know you're working this Charlie Kirk case.
Well, I heard months ago from a friend that he heard that it's just like, I guess, I guess I could do that.
I mean, at the time, I talked to my source and was like, so are you going to, are you going to talk about it?
And they're like, yeah, maybe.
I'm trying to mine.
And the whole thing is from the beginning.
Let me explain exactly how this went down.
All right.
100%.
I'm just telling you the truth.
Look into it all you want.
I don't know.
Again, it's not even like, I guess I am mad.
No, I guess I am just mad that I'm being accused of being fake when it's just like, what do I have to do?
I don't know.
It's not fun being perfectly honest and forthright and having a bunch of people being like, you're exposed to shill.
And it's just like, am I not just being completely honest about literally everything?
So diligent denizen, last night, Harris Smith disclosed the FBI has not reached out to him despite him posing about a credible threat to Charlie Kirk's life two weeks before he was shot.
It's a little bit more than that.
This is why we are investigating Charlie's assassination because our government is not.
So again, everybody's, you know, making a big stink about this.
So I just say, hey, here's an update.
This morning, they reached out to me and I put them in contact with my source.
I didn't expose my source.
I never told the government who my source was.
They told me, have your source call us.
I gave my source the phone number and said, they want you to call.
Call if you want.
That was, I'm a bad guy.
That was all.
This is all part of a part of a sophisticated operation, I guess.
I don't know, dude.
I get calls.
Hey, this is whoever heard you have a source.
Would the source reach out to me?
Yeah, maybe he will.
I don't know.
I'll contact him.
Thanks for reaching out.
Bye.
Hey, the FBI wants to talk to you.
Here's the number.
Okay, maybe I'll call later.
Bye.
Okay, that's how it happened.
I don't know.
It's how it works.
It's how it went down.
And then it's just like, I can't believe Harrison would give up his source like that.
The government demanded and he folded like a cheap bag.
This whole Candace Owens saga is unlike any other conspiracy theory I've ever investigated.
And I've been here behind the scenes and in front of the scenes for the biggest conspiracy theories in the history of the world.
The biggest conspiracies, the Vegas shooting, COVID-19, the lockdown.
Like there has never been a situation like this where so many people are so desperate to prove that like we're in on it, that like everybody except for them is part of the cover-up.
And if you don't agree with them completely, you must be a paid agent of the enemy.
It's like there are aspects of that in every conspiracy, but it's never been like this.
This is so weird.
It's so bizarre.
And then you say that, and it's like, well, that's just proof that you're the one doing it.
It's like, no, it's just weird.
This whole thing is totally bizarre.
And I'm not here to be questioned by random anonymous accounts on X. Like, I don't owe you anything.
I don't owe you anything.
I haven't done anything.
I don't owe an explanation.
You're not my boss.
You're not the president of the United States.
So it's like, I just go out of my way to be like, hey, these people want to know about the source.
I'll let them know.
Hey, guys, you're so concerned.
Good news.
The source is now in contact with the authorities.
Isn't that what you wanted?
And they're just like, how dare you?
How dare you try to trick us like this?
And I'm just like.
And there's like, well, what agency?
What agency was it then, Harrison?
It's just like, screw you.
How about that?
How about the agency is your mom?
How about that's the answer?
Who are you to question me?
Why are you questioning me?
Why do you think I owe you an answer?
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I don't know.
Am I the one?
Am I being a jerk?
I'm telling you everything you want to know, and I'm being questioned about it.
And every question I answer gets completely misinterpreted, turned completely inside out.
Anyway, anyway, it's all completely retarded.
So there's that.
So there that is.
We'll go to this video.
This is me talking in the space.
This is a video that I know Alex wanted me to play in full.
So we'll play all eight, nine, eight minutes here.
Now, when a DOJ indicts a corporate, but in November, the EAC recertified their brand, their whole line of election equipment.
And I guess, does that seem odd?
Oh, somebody's pointed out to me that I should make that.
You know, when the DOJ indicts a corporation, it's not like indicting an employee of this, an employee of that.
They're saying this corporation is a criminal enterprise.
So in October, the DOJ is saying it's a criminal enterprise and the Election Assistance Corporation, it's as if they certified the equipment of the Genovese family or the Gambino family.
It's in the interest of the Venezuelan cartel, which is to say the Venezuelan government, that the war be delayed as long as possible.
This could have been kicked off about 45 days ago, but it's been just this Operation Bowie constrictor tightening and tight, which is, they got their logic, which I'll be getting to.
But their goal is to delay this another 30, 60 days.
If we really get into election season, Trump can't kick this off.
His hands are tied.
And then after that, so it's in the interest of the Venezuelan regime to delay this into, you know, February at least, maybe even March.
The CIA has been telling Trump that if you just put a stranglehold blockade, is the intelligence community is telling Trump that if you just put a strangle, a blockade on Venezuela, they're going to fall in 20 to 30 days.
Well, those of us who are familiar with the Venezuelan regime think that is the funniest joke of 2025.
They have stolen our real, we actually have a really good measure now, and it looks like they stole $2.7 trillion in the last 25 years.
They have it in banks.
They have it all over the world.
They can survive for months, maybe years under financial blockade.
There's no country better prepared on earth to survive financial blockade than Venezuela.
So the people telling Trump that, oh, if you just blockade them and delay this, oh, in 20, 30 days, they're going to run out of everything and they'll surrender.
They're tricking Trump to play into the hands.
That's exactly what the regime wants.
Because the truth is they can easily last through this year.
They got 2.7 trillion, this criminal enterprise.
And if they can just get Trump to buy that and to buy that, he can kick this out into February or so.
It's the absolute worst.
Then it becomes impossible for him to launch.
But it's the intelligence community, and they are playing the hand of the top of our intelligence community, the top of our CIA, the top two floors are captured by China.
I think there are clear, well, I shouldn't say everybody there, but at some point, I've got to reveal something that really, I hate to dig up ancient history, but that really reveals a Chinese connection into the top of the CIA.
I hate to get to, anyway, sleeping dogs lie.
So in any case, the thing that has been slowing down Trump on Venezuela while the military has been saying, well, I shouldn't comment, but the military has been ready to go for quite some time is the intelligence community is telling Trump, sit on your hands, don't worry.
If you just blockade them, this will take care of himself.
It's a, they're setting him up.
It's a flat lie, and they're getting him.
If they can get him to buy that for another 30 days, then the arguments start going to be whispered in his ear.
Oh, listen, it's election season.
What is it going to do to you in the bulls if you start this now?
So they're playing, they're making Trump play right into the hand of the cartel.
Well, in general, the people who have been, there have been people who've been most asserting the delay.
Well, first, there's been a group of people trying to convince Trump there's a way to solve this without war.
Yeah, they did this.
Yeah, they were actually, they're still denying that they rigged the election in 2020.
Todd Blanche, at least until a week or two ago, was still telling people there's no evidence that the 2020 election was that there was enough fraud that was outcome determinative, which is some, you know, a lot of syllables that sound like it's official.
These guys are schmucks.
It's silly.
At that point, that's kind of not even something I'm going to bother answering.
Would you agree that that's, I mean, you've paid attention to this issue, Aaron.
At the risk of offending my Muslim friends who are watching, Muslims have a way of doing that too.
When you point out the atrocities that they commit, they go from saying that's not happening to saying, well, I'm not aware of it's happening to saying, well, it may be happening, but it's not, there's not much of it to saying, well, yeah, it is happening, but it's supposed to happen because the wheel of conspiracy.
It always, I have two questions because it always seemed to me like Trump, you know, we know Trump doesn't like war.
One of the things he always brings up is he is the first president in a century to not start a war.
So I've always interpreted it as like he wants to go as far as he can with Venezuela, but I've always felt like he didn't really want to start the war.
But that's kind of what you're telling me is kind of contradictory that you're saying he wants to start the war, but the intelligence agencies are kind of delaying him.
And Patrick Byrne, thanks so much for being here with us.
Follow him at Patrick Byrne.
The saga continues, folks.
This is amazing.
I can actually bring you up to the minute, up to the second updates about how the psy-off is going, about how everything I say gets completely deliberately misinterpreted for some reason.
I don't know.
Again, I'm all in, what have I done?
What have I done to make people treat me like this?
I genuinely want to know.
So again, to, you know, I respond to Diligent Citizen who's, you know, saying that I'm suspicious because I never will say who my source is.
By the way, I mean, this whole thing is strange because this is exactly how it goes.
I'm talking to somebody at Ron Paul's birthday.
We're talking about Zionism.
I bring up Charlie Kirk.
I say, I think Charlie Kirk is turning away from Zionism, but I think he's scared because I think he's going to lose all of his donors if he does that.
I think he's in a tough spot.
I think he's losing credibility because he won't denounce Israel because he won't speak out about the atrocities they're committing.
But I think he is, but he's between a rock and a hard place because if he comes out about Israel, he loses his funding.
So I feel like he's in a tough spot.
And the person I'm talking to says, oh, well, he thinks Israel's going to kill him.
He says he thinks if he turns away from Israel, that Israel is going to kill him.
And I said, ooh, that's kind of crazy.
But this is a private conversation between two people.
Now I thought this could potentially be newsworthy.
This is something maybe people should know.
Also, it's, you know, just self-congratulations because I had just done the day before a video where I was taking Charlie's public appearances and reading into him and going, I think I see what's going on here.
I think he's scared.
Only to have that confirmed from a source who knows.
So then I tweeted out.
And to be honest, I probably shouldn't have tweeted it out.
I didn't have permission to tweet it out.
I was just in a private conversation with somebody that I later, you know, tweeted about.
I didn't ask them.
I didn't say, hey, do you mind if I tweet out that you told me that?
Because I didn't know, because I didn't know it was going to be a freaking prediction.
I didn't know that a month later Charlie Kirk would be killed and that tweet would suddenly become incredibly important.
So I just sort of fired off going, hey, people might want to know this.
And then later it comes up on Moonbase Live.
We're talking to Jake Shields and my co-host John.
We're talking about Charlie Kirk.
He's like, oh, you should tell him about what you heard about Charlie Kirk.
So I'm like, all right, yeah.
I reiterate that.
But then it becomes, then Charlie Kirk actually gets murdered and becomes this giant scandal.
And Ned Yahoo is up there being asked to disavow and asked to claim he's innocent about the murder.
And I reached out to my source and was like, I don't know, people are asking me, should I?
And he's like, I don't want to be involved.
I don't want to be a part of an international murder conspiracy.
It's got like the number one news story in the world.
So he didn't want to be mentioned.
So it's like, how would be such a dirtbag to like be publishing this guy's conversation without his permission and then like publishing his name because random strangers are asking me to like that I'm just not ever going to do that.
So it's, again, what have I done wrong?
Did I misbehave here?
Should I have betrayed his confidence?
Anyway, so today when he calls me, so this is another aspect to it.
As I laid out before, I get a call from this government agent.
Hey, if your source wants to talk to us, tell him to reach out.
I call my source.
Hey, this government agent just reached out to me.
If you want to reach out to him, you know, maybe you can provide him something.
And I'm talking to him and I'm saying that, you know, this is Candace thing.
And he goes, well, you know, I told George Farmer that I was your source.
George Farmer is Candace's husband.
He's like, yeah, months ago.
I told him I was the source of that.
So then I'm like, oh, that's funny.
So Candace knows.
Now, apparently, George Farmer had not told her.
That's on me.
I did assume.
I did assume that if George Farmer knew something, Candace Owens would know it too, since she's in.
I mean, she's the one that asked about my source.
So I assume she's interested, she would have been told this from George Farmer.
So I comment that.
So under this diligent Denizen post where he talks about me not reporting it to the FBI, I say, well, do you want to hear something really funny?
When I talked to my source today, he revealed that he told George Farmer that he was my source months ago.
So Candace has known who my source is this whole time.
Is that not accurate?
I mean, that's what he told me.
So I'm putting it forward, right?
Because if everybody's good demonizing me about not revealing my source, well, Candace knows who my source is.
So demonize her.
It's not me.
So then Candace says, I literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Is the implication here that I'm lying?
Because I'll gladly ask George and publish the source's name.
Update, George also has no idea what the hell you're talking about.
Obviously, is we had received some news that Charlie thought he was going to be killed while he was alive.
We would have contacted Charlie immediately to see what was up.
Okay, I never claimed that they knew this before he was alive.
Then she comes back again.
Double update.
Your source just texted George and said he was your source.
We just learned that today.
For clarity, George received a text message from him, from my source, seven days after Charlie was killed.
You were not mentioned in that communication.
And obviously we had already broken the story that Charlie was warring with the pro-Israel lobby by then.
You framed this tweet in a way to make it seem as though we were informed before Charlie's assassination and as if we had any idea it was related to your pre-assassination tweet.
Like, what does she mean?
You framed this tweet in a way to make it seem as though we were informed before Charlie's assassination.
Like, where is she getting this?
I didn't say that.
I said he revealed he told George Farmer that he was my source months ago.
And that's what he said.
Now, apparently, he texted George Farmer seven days after the murder.
That would be months ago, right?
So he texted him months ago saying he was the source.
I guess he didn't mention me, but my source said he did, right?
He said, you know, George Farmer, I told George Farmer I was your source.
So that's what I said.
So again, it's like, okay, when I talked to my source today, he revealed that he told George Farmer that he was my source months ago.
Okay, Candace confirms that.
Seven days after the assassination, my source texted her husband and told him about that.
Apparently I wasn't mentioned, but, you know, my source said it was, but whatever.
So again, it's just, it's like, okay, so what I said is true, right?
Everything I said is true.
I guess I just assumed that George Farmer would tell his wife.
That was an assumption on my part, I admit.
So maybe Candace didn't know because George didn't tell her.
I don't know why he wouldn't.
But if she was so interested, she could have asked, you know, at any point.
But this is what I'm talking about.
So I say the truth, right?
My source tells me, hey, you know, I told George Farmer I was your source months ago.
Oh, that's interesting.
I typed that up.
When I talked to my source today, he revealed to me that he told George Farmer he was my source months ago.
Candace somehow transmogrifies that into me claiming that she had foreknowledge of the assassination and I'm therefore claiming she's a liar because my tweet was framed in a way.
You framed your tweet in a way to make it seem as though you were informed, as though we were informed before Charlie's assassination and as if we had any idea it was related to your pre-assassination tweet.
No, I didn't.
I did not frame a tweet in any way.
I just said what happened and you now acknowledge that is what happened.
So how did I frame it in a way to make it seem like you knew about this beforehand?
Like, this is what I mean.
You're watching this live.
This literally happened during the commercial break just now.
Am I the crazy one?
Why am I being accused of accusing Candace of knowing about Charlie's threat before he was murdered?
I never said that.
This is like, this is the thing.
People are like, wow, you're getting really emotional.
It's not like I'm not like mad at it.
It's just frustrating.
It's just like, what can I do?
I say, hey, my source told George Farmer he was my source months ago.
Candace Owens comes back.
What the hell are you talking about?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Okay, sure, the source did tweet my husband.
It was months ago.
Okay, so I did know.
But actually, you're saying that it was before the assassination and we would have called Charlie to check on him.
And it's like, so this is the thing.
I'm not like, it's like, oh, you're, you're getting emotional as if it's like, oh, my house of cards is falling down.
No, I'm just like, what is the point of me trying to communicate with you people when you just hear things I don't say?
When you are hallucinating like a badly programmed AI.
You're just hearing things that I don't say and then attacking me on that.
I didn't accuse Candace Owens of anything.
I said she knows who my source is, or at least her husband does.
And he did.
Because that's what my source said.
Point out to me anywhere in this situation that I've lied, that I've accused Candace Owens of covering anything up, that I've accused Candace Owens of knowing about the murder before it happened and failing to do anything.
But I'm the bad guy.
But I'm the bad guy.
You're seeing it in real time, folks.
You're seeing it in real time.
All I say is that my source texted George Farmer months ago to tell him that he was my source.
Candace Owens somehow hallucinates that that is me framing the tweet in a way to make it seem as though we were before we were informed caps lock before Charlie's assassination.
Am I the crazy one?
Or is that a hallucination?
Can somebody explain to me how she perceived that accusation from my tweet?
If I don't go on the space last night, oh, you're scared to go on the space.
Whoa, you know, you get defeated.
You say, okay, all right, fine, I'll go on the space.
But it doesn't matter.
But it doesn't matter because no matter what I say on the space, no matter how truthful I'm being, no matter how upfront, forthright, perfectly clear I'm being, people just hallucinate things I don't say and then attack me over it.
Do I look like somebody who's part of a coordinated effort?
Do I look like somebody who's being told what to say?
I mean, I'm responding to things that are appearing this instant.
Nobody is telling me to say this.
You know, the first week I did War Room about three months ago, I asked the crew, because on American Journal, we used to do more where like the crew would say things and it'd be on air.
And so I asked the crew, hey, can you make it to where your guys' microphones back there where they talk to me in this little earpiece?
I said, we make it so those that audio goes through so everybody can hear it.
And so they started working on it and they messed up.
And so for the first week, the entire first week that we were doing War Room, you can still go back.
We didn't change it.
You can still go back and watch the episodes from the first week that I was doing War Room after Owen quit.
And the mics are open the entire time.
So you can hear the crew when there's a video playing.
You can hear them in my ear going, 10 seconds left, five seconds left.
Right?
When I'm in a monologue, you can hear the crew go in my ear and go, hey, Trump's live.
Do you want to take it?
And that's it.
For a week, we left this earpiece open.
You can hear everything that's said to me.
Nothing is said to me.
Nobody is telling me what to say.
I have no teleprompter.
I have nobody saying anything in my ear.
I have nobody directing me.
So it's a little frustrating constantly being told I'm part of some operation and that any attempt to say that I'm not is somehow proof that I am.
It's annoying.
It's very annoying.
But, but all I can say is, I'm glad the Infowars audience knows how to judge things.
We'll go to the clip of the live stream yesterday or the space, the Twitter space yesterday.
We'll go to this full, however long, eight minute long one.
Yeah, fixed the Candace X space here.
Yes, eight minutes and 46 seconds.
Thank you, crew.
Let's go to this video.
We'll watch me question Candace Owens about the claims she's making about Fort Wachuca, which are inconsistent, ever-changing, and pointless in the extreme.
I guess my whole thing is, why does this meeting even matter?
Like, what is the actual claim that's being made here?
That's been my confusion the whole point, the whole time is like, okay, let's say that there's absolute proof, you know, photographic evidence that everything that Schneau says is true.
Like, who cares?
I mean, what is that proof?
What is the actual accusation?
Who do you think was conspiring with who to do what?
And I think, you know, obviously the name of the episode was, you know, the day before Charlie Kirk was murdered.
The insinuation is that this was a assassination planning meeting, which I don't even see any evidence of that.
And then people I'm arguing with online are saying, no, no, this has nothing to do with the assassination.
So yeah, I guess, you know, if the space is why this matters, why does Fort Huachachuca even matter?
So it matters because why would Brian Harpole be on Fort Huachuca at all, right?
It matters because he's giving an alibi, which means he doesn't want to be associated.
Like it could have easily not mattered, kind of to speak to your credit.
He could have been like, yeah, I was at Fort Huachuka with my brother.
And my brother's in the military.
I was dropping off some food.
Okay.
Like that could have been then suddenly a dead end.
That would have been nothing.
Now, because Mitch had described this as a top secret meeting in an off-site building and had described this as top brass at the Pentagon and said that these sorts of meetings, and I am forgetting the military term, are when you're just about to embark on like a mission.
I know I sound really uneducated, but military guys will sound better saying that.
It was compelling.
Like, okay, like I said, Brian Harpole was acting funny.
He's been acting weird.
He's been telling verifiable lies and he cared enough to present an alibi, meaning he didn't want people to think he was there, right?
So if you have to, if you have to give someone an alibi, it's because you don't want people to think that you're there.
There is an alibi is not needed if there's nothing to hide.
So that's why it matters.
I think that's why it matters.
And the reaction, this reaction, rather than being forthcoming, is why it suddenly feels like, okay, this is important because no one's acting normal.
No one's just like, oh, yeah, cool, he was there.
Like it also is, as we have now learned, it is an, it's an Intel base.
He was telling the truth about exactly what building it was.
I didn't name the building on my show because I didn't, I wasn't sure if that was like a national security problem, but it just happened to be that JTF was borrowing that off-site building and it was supposed to be a top secret meeting for those purposes.
Somebody that was involved in blacking out the windows has sent us a tip.
Again, it's how people are reacting to the meeting that lets us know that it's important.
I mean, I think if you're saying that somebody is somewhere and they weren't there, then providing the alibi is not in and of itself suspicious.
If the alibi is not confirmed, I guess you can be suspicious of that.
But again, I still, there's still not an answer.
Like, okay, let's just say you're right.
Let's just say that absolutely they were there.
What does that prove?
What is the accusation?
Because what it sounds like, and I mean, what the insinuation obviously is, is that this was a planning meeting for the assassination and the people there had pre-knowledge of the assassination and they were therefore in on it.
So I think that if you are making that accusation, which in effect you are, right?
You're in effect saying, okay, Erica Kirk and the head of TPO say security were at this pre-assassination planning meeting.
There was never an indication she was at that meeting.
She wasn't even, he did not see her on September 9th.
It was Brian Harpole who was at that meeting.
To my knowledge, Brian Harpole, I don't know why he would be at an Intel base at a meeting with top brass.
And what I can tell you is if he was there, Turning Point doesn't know he was there, according to Erica and Justin Streif, who I sat down for four and a half hours.
So if Turning Point has him on their payroll and they've outright purchased a security firm and they don't know what he's doing on an Intel base, yeah, it matters.
And we don't need to know the conclusion to follow the clues here that something's wrong.
So that there's this fashionable thing where people are always like, well, what's the final thing you're saying?
We don't know the final thing that we're saying because that's not how an investigation works.
What I'm saying is that nobody is that in two months, nobody is going to remember the name Mitch Snow or Fort Washuka, and this is not going to go anywhere.
And that this is a nothing burger.
I just think it's an absolute nothing burger that's not going to lead anywhere.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong.
You know, you can prove me wrong.
But again, my whole thing has always been that this devolves into this question of like, was he there?
Was he not there?
And the whole time, I'm just going, what does it matter?
If the conclusion is that he's a complete liar, it's the exact same outcome as proving that these people were actually there because so far you haven't connected it to the assassination in any way whatsoever, except that maybe this guy thinks that he saw people that are around Charlie Kirk.
And my whole point is, obviously, the insinuation is, I mean, again, when you're saying Erica Kirk was there, but not actually there on the day, but in the area, but not because of the assassination meeting, but it's like, okay, clearly the insinuation is that these people had something to do with the assassination.
And you can make that claim or not, or pretend that you are, but or pretend that you're not, but you obviously are.
But like, that's all, I don't, I don't really care about any of that.
Let's just give somebody, I think, you know, just could you say something clearly and obviously and obviously and clearly doesn't make it clear or obvious.
I'm on this investigation.
Charlie was assassinated.
I'm going to take every step and I'm going to say what I know at the exact time that I know it.
So I cannot say that it was definitively an assassination meeting.
I can say that I have a feeling about this meeting, that if it is, in fact, Brian Harpole there and he's lying about that, then that's not good.
It's not a good thing because there's no reason to lie unless you have something to hide.
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Only Americans who's concerned with the Somali business is the ones who have no life.
On the heels of the Somalian fraud disaster, the question arises, where did third world refugees learn to construct the staggering fraud industrial complex?
Turns out that the Quality Learning Center, specifically Quality Learning Center, has received 13 violations and has been investigated multiple times just in the last four years by the Department of Human Services in Minnesota.
You have people coming from the state 13 different times in the last four years and they didn't notice this.
Obviously, this is something that needs to be looked into to see just how much did state and city officials play a role in all of this fraud.
I would say our country should be more fearful of white men across our country because they are actually causing most of the deaths within this country.
Based on what we've all seen in Minnesota, if tens of thousands of Somalis are not deported back to their third world country, and if government officials like Tim Walz and other people in Minnesota are not sent to jail or at least indicted, let me just say this.
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Candice starts with saying, well, I don't like how Israel is behaved after the assassination, right?
And I agree.
Well, here's something that we know.
We know that Charlie declined search and donations from Zionist donors.
And then we know that next day, Natania, who is on TV praising his relationship with Charlie, he's not even American.
Some countries, foreign country president shows up on prime time, books himself, and then goes on and on about how much he loves Charlie and Charlie loves him.
Okay, that's weird.
Would you agree?
Like your senses tell you that's off, right?
Okay, let's start with this.
And she did.
She started with that, but all of a sudden, she's getting clues from all over the place, including like some kind of, you know, Macron's assassination plan or something.
Well, here's my perspective on this.
If I was the bad guy here and I was trying to somehow divert Candice Owens, because she's a force, okay?
So if I was a bad guy, I would be giving her all kinds of bullshit information and diverting her anywhere I could.
Now, is this what's happening with Mitch?
I don't know.
Again, I'm not saying that's the case.
I'm just saying that she's dealing with a lot.
She has a show every single day.
And I told this to Alex: it's very hard when you're focused on one investigation instead of like multiple headlines.
It's easy to cover multiple headlines.
Take 20 minutes for each.
We're done.
Good show.
Go home, right?
Well, that's not the case.
When you're doing an investigative criminal investigation into murder, any seasoned detective can tell you there come days when you just sit at home and wreck your head, like literally bang your head against the wall because you've got nothing.
And then you have to go to square one, start over.
This is a hard process.
Well, Candice doesn't have that luxury, okay?
She's on air every single day.
So she decided, and I'm assuming that that's her decision.
I'm just going to talk about every freaking tip that comes in.
So you're saying, like, Candace, what's the ideal situation that you would have done if you were Candace?
So let's say you went to church and you prayed and you came home and there's an email and, you know, if you are a believer, and I've had that moment myself when I'm like, I want something to be so true that I'm going to put all my energy and belief into, oh my gosh, this must be God sent, right?
So let's say she saw this tip.
What would have been a smart move?
Like, call Mitch, talk to him, investigate him for months, go like, you know, talk to ex-wives and then bring him on.
Well, the presence of Erica Kirk hasn't been confirmed.
Again, the problem is she's making these accusations and then pretending that she's not.
That's the issue I have.
If the accusation, and that's why I keep going, what is the claim?
Because if the claim is, as it appears to be, as, you know, she makes this episode that is that, you know, what did this guy see at Fort Huachaka the day before Charlie's assassination?
Answer Erica Kirk and the head of TPOSA security and Cabot Phillips, apparently.
Okay, so that is an accusation that Erica Kirk and the head of security were a part of the pre-planning meeting, had foreknowledge of the attack.
So then I say, like, why was this for such a big deal?
She says, well, it was the people's reaction.
She says, I didn't want to make it a big deal.
I just mentioned this meeting and suddenly everybody freaked out.
And so then I'm trying to explain, okay, the reason everybody treated this accusation differently is because this is the first time that Candace Owens has directly accused Erica Kirk of having foreknowledge.
Well, there are also millions of people that are operating on Erica Kirk is a grieving widow.
And here this woman is accusing a grieving widow of being part and parcel with the murder of her husband on the basis of this incredibly thin evidence, of evidence of a lifelong alleged con man who barely remembers a thing from three months ago.
And so the reaction is appropriate to say, hey, if you're going to make an accusation this big, you need to have better information than what you have.
You need to have better sources than what you have.
Our full show continues with Ivan Rakelin joining me via Zoom.
Ivan Rakelin can be followed at Ivan Rakelin.
He's a retired U.S. Army Lieutenant Colonel, former Greenberry commander and constitutional attorney with 25 years of service in defense intelligence and special operations.
Yes, so this was, remember, he was arrested at this point a couple months ago almost.
And he has, I haven't heard of whether or not he's pled guilty or not.
So anyway, this was supposed to be a detention hearing on whether or not the government is going to keep him or to release him pending the trial dates, right?
As we remember, that all January 6ers were weaponized against completely.
And even though the stance is usually that you release someone pending your trial, if they're not going to be a concern of safety, et cetera, for the community.
But in this instance, the judge seemed to lean towards releasing Brian Cole Jr.
No, but before we got to the detention hearing part, there were some last-minute filings that were dropped yesterday.
And then the grand jury indictment, I believe yesterday in the DC circuit court, actually indicted Brian Cole.
So he was arrested.
And then the indictment only comes yesterday.
And it came from the DC Circuit Court, which is the city court.
And guess what the judge did?
The judge said, hey, there's a pending case out there to determine whether or not the DC federal district court can accept a DC Circuit Court grand jury indictment.
So it's like everything about this case is, let's just say diplomatically weird.
And so his logic, the judge's logic, was that even though the former Chief Justice Justice Boesberg, who we all know is should be impeached and should be convicted in the Senate at a minimum, anyhow, he was referring to a case that he was involved in that's still pending on appeal.
But for now, there's a state in the sense that wait for the appeal adjudication to determine whether or not this court is going to accept a grand jury indictment from a DC circuit court.
Because DC is unique in the sense that you can bring criminal charges both at the city level and at the federal level, because it's the same jurisdiction, same territory, right?
So they have to adjudicate that.
I guess pending that, he's trying to create the justification to then release him.
And the defense attorneys essentially articulated how, oh, we're going to go ahead and have him live with his grandmother in Gainesville, Virginia, as opposed to back at home in Woodbridge, Virginia.
And from there, the grandma is going to monitor her grandson while he continues to go on Reddit, to go on CommeTube, and to continue to radicalize if this is even the Patsy that they want us to believe is the actual pipe bomber.
So even if you were to take as true that he is the pipe bomber, why would the judge release him?
So initially, when I sit down in the back of the courtroom, I see the family attending and no one's really wearing a mask.
But then as they stand up and turn around, you can see what appeared to be the father put a mask on.
Some of the other folks put on a mask.
So what's that all about?
Are they trying to avoid recognition of who they are or are they worried about the COVID flu or the flu in general as they turn their face from the judge towards the back of the room?
I sat two rows back and to be honest, I couldn't make either way, right?
I couldn't give you any leaning either way, whether or not their indications, body language.
It just, there was not enough for me to make it, you know, to make a determination either way.
What I did do is I spoke with an individual that was sitting right in front of me and he said that he had worked for the Brian Cole Jr.'s father, which would have been Brian Cole Sr. for over two decades, I think is what he said.
And when I asked him, you know, I just neutrally asked him, well, like, what do you think?
What do you think is going on here?
What's your take?
And he said that, you know, Brian Cole Jr. is like a 30-year-old kid or a 30-year-old body in a 15-year-old kid's brain.
And so, okay, let's just say, let's play this out.
If he's that case, autistic 15-year-old kid, or maybe less capable than that, because he kind of pointed to his head.
Even if he did everything that has been alleged that he did, what are the chances of him being exonerated due to incompetence, right?
So then he's not going to be convicted, even though America was off-gassed and said, oh, we found the pie bomber and this is it.
And he's the only one.
One other thing that I wanted to mention that was really important that I picked up on two or three occasions, the defense attorney without prodding, because I don't think in the filing that they alleged a conspiracy.
I don't think anybody has been talking about that there's a conspiracy.
They've only alleged that it's Brian Cole Jr. that was involved in the pipe bombing, but yet the defense attorney on multiple occasions said that he wanted to stress that he was, if even if he was, if it was him, he was acting alone and not conspiracy.
So to me, that automatically triggers the spidey sense to say, huh, why are you even mentioning that?
Is he the Patsy for the entire operation?
Okay.
So that the actual pipe bomber, because I mean, the theories are his devices could have been used by the actual placement of the pipe bombs, right?
Other devices that are in credit cards associated with him were the ones that purchased the bomb-making equipment, according to the FBI, right?
It's not necessarily him.
It's his credit cards and his devices that are in the proximity of what the FBI alleges.
So then you have to go one step further and determine whether or not he was with his own device.
But it also seems like the basis upon which they arrested him in the first place was very thin.
We reported on it, you know, when they first announced it, but it was just this sort of collection of things that it was like, well, a couple months ago, he bought pipes and then he was in this area.
But no, I think the first instance of purchasing the bomb-making material was back in 2019, but yet his mode is unclear, or even it's, oh, he was mad at the 2020 election results.
Just like the first time I went on with Alex Jones, I think the day of the charging on InfoWars, how can you be so good as an autistic kid to forecast that the outcome of the 2020 election is going to be what you didn't want it to be?
And for that reason, you spent a year plus putting together things as an autistic genius, right?
One of the co-workers, right?
20 years with the family is basically saying, how can he pre-plan and like so advanced to start putting together the pipe bomb to then place it on January 5th?
And so, meanwhile, the judge wants to release him, it looks like, and the decision was going to be made today, but he ended up, we went to recess and the judge actually came back and said he's going to make the decision tomorrow.
So if that's the case, he didn't want the media hype of whatever.
And then so to cover on that.
And I'm guessing that this kid's going to be re-released and he's going to be under restrictions, probably GPS, right?
Cameras, et cetera.
But let's face it.
I mean, what kind of risk does this place on the family and him by releasing this kid?
Yeah, if they release him, I would be very concerned he would end up shooting himself with a shotgun twice in the back of the head in one of those forms of suicide that we hear so much about.
Yeah, Jocelyn Ballantyne, who unlawfully politically persecuted and prosecuted General Flynn.
She was the assistant U.S. attorney for that.
She was also the assistant U.S. attorney that went after the January Nancy Pelosi's political target, the Proud Boys, in order to facilitate the cover-up of the Fed surrender.
So now she's on the case to go ahead and find a Patsy, supposedly.
Such as such as the one against General Flynn, such as the one against Enrique Tario of the Proud Boys.
How do you expect America to believe that this gentleman, Brian Cole, is the pipe bomber considering your work on the General Flynn case, considering your work on the case against Mr. Enrique Tario and the rest of the Proud Boys?
Do you find it surprising that you still have a job at the Department of Justice?
Do you think you survived because Ed Martin ended up going to the Department of Justice, Maine, as opposed to being the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia?
Did you have any involvement in that?
Did you work with some of the former Senate staff of senior influential Senate leaders that are at the U.S. Attorney's office to make sure that Mr. Ed Martin would not be the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia to expose your involvement in covering up for the Fed surrection?
So you're trying to make us believe that this kid spent two years collecting pipe bomb material in 2019 and his motive because he didn't like the outcome of the 2020 election before the 2020 election primaries even began?
Do you find it strange that the defense attorney mentioned on several occasions that this was not a conspiracy, meaning maybe it was a conspiracy because you two didn't even mention whether or not it was a conspiracy?
A lot of questions.
Your credibility is very low amongst most of America considering your work on those last two trials.
I'd be very shocked to hear that you're going to continue to work at the Department of Justice after this goes and posts.
So I guess all I can say is belated Merry Christmas.
Happy holidays.
Happy New Year.
And we'll see about the fate of your position at the Department of Justice.
We'll have to ask Miss Judge Janine whether or not she wants to retain you or not.
I guess I can walk back in there and get one as fine.
Oh, you know what?
I can just make this comment that Ivan can comment on it.
I don't need your piece, guys.
I get it.
I don't even know if he's making back there.
So General Flynn called the producer right with my show ended at three and said it's an emergency.
I need to call him.
And we had about a 40-minute conversation.
He's gotten a lot of intel on what's going on in the White House, who's involved, what's happening.
But it's really bad news, but we have to decide what we're going to do.
He's going to come on 11 a.m. tomorrow and discuss it.
But there are people at the highest levels of the White House below Trump basically preparing enemy lists and targeting lists of not just us, but our families.
And they got the information through the chatter and what's going on.
So they know that the public's waking up, demanding action.
And so they're basically lining up ways to neutralize people during this movement.
And, you know, Flynn can obviously talk to Trump and talks to him, but he's very concerned about Trump himself and what's going on.
And so this is the worst news I've ever had in 31 years on air.
But we're trying to calibrate how to respond to it, how to deal to it.
We don't think Trump overall is bad, but I think the smartest thing is once this information comes out, to have a major public, peaceful uprising to draw attention to it, to deal with it.
But there's other options there, but we're not going to get caught flat-footed with this.
I'm not trying to be cryptic here.
I'm going to have General Flynn himself.
You saw the letter.
We can pull it up on Infowars, maybe.
I'll sit on my phone.
He put out a letter today that was just the opening shot on this and the information that he's discovered that's going on.
And it's, I mean, it is Susie Wilson, it is Todd Blanche, and they are complete global stopperatives.
So there it is.
Enough is enough.
General Flynn tells President Trump 2016 must be the year of accountability, but this is just beyond that.
And I'm going to let the general say as much as he wants tomorrow.
He's still asking me what I thought he should say.
And we were finishing each other's sentences on this.
So the good news is we're aware of what's going on and we understand what's going on, but it's really, really bad.
And so the deep state's not planning to wait until 2028 if they can steal the election.
And they're obviously going to have some type of preparatory event, a false flag or something ahead of that.
But they are deliberately creating dossiers on key people in the liberty movement and their families and everything else, similar to like Rakeland's targeting list of just who are the deep staters.
Well, they're doing that to us.
So they know that the public's rejecting all this and it's just completely outrageous this is going on.
And so General Flynn will be on tomorrow at 11 a.m. Central with this information.
I'm going to punch out of here and then I can listen once I'm walk out of here, so I don't have an earpiece to what Rakeland has to say.
But people know I don't hype stuff up.
Also talked to Flynn.
He was confirming a lot of what we thought.
There's definitely bad actors feeding certain individuals information, which they believe is real to try to undermine things.
There's a lot of major movement happening right now.
And you got all the Somali stuff coming out and Bondi promising she'll do something.
Nothing's going to come because it all goes up to the Democrats.
And if any dominoes fall, they all go down.
That's why they can't ever have any prosecution of anything because this is the takedown of the country.
But it was Flynn's not a drama queen, obviously, and knows what he's talking about.
And it was, I mean, we're really just figuring out the best ways to deal with this and how to address this.
But at the end of the day, offense and the info war is the way to go.
And there can be no sacred cows in this.
And so this is it.
So you guys, God bless you.
I'll be back tomorrow, 11 a.m.
We got Breanna Morello in the morning.
You come on, and we're going to do 9 to past midnight tomorrow, Central.
So hopefully Ivan can join us then.
But believe me, Flynn's going to decide what he's going to say tomorrow, but it was a very interesting call.
Let's just say I wanted to throw up after the conversation.
To take that a little bit further in the analysis, that it doesn't surprise me because they've already created their list, if you will.
And when I say they, the deep state in general, so David Buckley, the staff director for the Pelosi January 6th Fed Surrection Cover-Up Committee, that committee was created in order to create that list, the Patriot target list, right?
And as part of that, they then handed it over to the DOJ in the form of Jack Smith, right?
And so I think, and I've said this over the last few weeks, that come January 17th, which is less than three weeks from now, is when John Brennan's protege becomes the governor of Virginia and her attorney general, who's basically threatened his political opponents with violence and slaughtering, essentially, according to the text messages, Jay Jones, that is.
And so if you're John Brennan and your protege is now the governor of Virginia, you have immunity effectively with any state charge, right?
With a pardon, right?
And so with that, they can use that influence and leverage to make sure that John Brennan isn't criminally prosecuted, at least in the state of Virginia.
And then by extension, they can go ahead and work with the Commonwealth's attorneys in Northern Virginia, whether it's Fairfax County, Arlington, Alexandria, Loudoun County.
Those are similar to your Alvin Bragg's and Fannie Willises.
So imagine Letitia James, Fannie Willis, Alvin Bragg, and Jack Smith, and the J6 committee's evidence that they created and concocted is now sent over to the AG in Virginia for persecution, prosecution, lawfare.
That's what I expect to occur on January 17th.
And if Todd Blanche is enabling, allowing that to happen, he's just going to carry their water from the federal level to protect himself.
We're talking about the January 6th bomber, but Alex just came in like looking pale, honestly, and saying he's got some really devastating news that deep staters in the White House are compiling lists of enemies to go after as soon as they're in charge.
And they're not going to wait for 2028 to launch this coup.
I mean, Ivan, we saw how they went after the January 6ers.
I suspect a lot of the hysterical coverage about Trump this year has sort of been laying the groundwork in the mindset of the left to prepare them for when the Democrat Party starts rounding people up.
The way that they're talking about Trump, he's going after innocent people.
He's rounding up families.
It's illegal aliens.
They're trying to be deported.
But the rhetoric they're using is in a way almost normalizing this idea that the government can go around and kidnap random people.
That's not what's happening with Trump.
But the fact they keep talking about it like that has me concerned that, you know, basically they're going to do that to us.
Murdering in broad daylight, how many tens of thousands, if not more, with the unsafe and ineffective products, right?
What can they do more in terms of the political system where they steal elections at the federal level with foreign actors?
Okay.
So they've already gone to the max.
And I just think that they're going to escalate by doing more iterations of not only assassination attempts, but successful assassinations.
And so they can use similar individuals such as the autistic Brian Cole to then look the other way in Virginia.
I mean, say, for example, there's a political assassination that takes place in Virginia and Jay Jones and Abby Spamberger wants to look the other way.
Well, they can do that.
Why?
Because they can.
And because Republicans will not hold them to account.
Not a single arrest.
So, I mean, at this point, I guess my interpretation of what Alex just explained, we're at a point where I think more people are identifying that this administration is not going to defend and protect us.
Look at what this administration continues to do to Tina Peters.
It prioritizes hostages that are foreign citizens over American citizens that tried to follow the federal laws and with, I guess, maintain federal records of an illegal election in Colorado.
Right.
Or what happened to those oath keepers and proud boys that were not violent?
They never got a pardon.
But yet B.B. Netanyahu is begging for President Trump to sign a memorandum for him to get a pardon.
And next thing you see, I believe it was yesterday.
Now President Trump received the, what was the award that was given to him?
The Israeli Miriam Adelson.
Yeah, I think Miriam Adelson gave him the Israel Award, right?
Excuse me.
Miriam Adelson's surrogate in Israel, B.B. Netanyahu, gave him that award.
So it's very abundantly clear that anytime you expose individuals, they go to the lower IQ counter argument, which is, oh, you're a supremacist this.
Yeah, I'm a high IQ supremacist, okay?
I like to converse at the high IQ level, which is you go after individuals and their individual actions.
That's what I love about this show.
I mean, Alex is not afraid to call out Todd Blanche.
He's not afraid to call out Susie Wiles.
He's not afraid to call out Pam Bondi.
Well, guess what?
They think that they have the levers of power to come after us.
They might, but guess what?
There's enough of people like me, Alex, and you that, you know what?
It's been an action-packed episode of The War Room today, and we continue into the third hour.
I'm going to open up the phone lines for your calls this hour.
Things got mixed around a little bit.
We weren't supposed to have Vive until right now.
So we've got some free space here.
I do have some more news to cover.
Although, like I said, I mean, other than the pipe bomb suspect and then, of course, the thing yesterday.
You know what's funny?
I imagine we'll probably keep talking about Candace because I imagine people will call in about that.
I wasn't going to mention this, but it just cracked me up yesterday because as soon as the space with Candace was over, I get a call from my co-host, Lebanon John, from Moonbase Live.
By the way, we're going to do a Moonbase Live episode tonight with Rex Jones.
Apparently, Rex Jones has been studying Candace Owens.
Apparently, he's been watching.
He's like, I've been watching Candace Zones for like 48 hours straight.
I need to talk about this.
So, Rex is going to come on Moonbase later tonight at around 9.
Follow me on X for that at Harrison H. Smith.
But anyway, my co-host John calls me and he goes, he's like, you know, you asked Candace what the, like, what the association was, what the purpose of the meeting was, like, why this is tied into the assassination.
And he's like, she didn't even explain like what happened today.
Because what happened yesterday, what happened yesterday is that Donald Trump essentially agreed to give Israel carte blanche in the Middle East.
He agreed to go after Iran for their ballistic missile program, which is not like going after a nuclear program.
It's like starting a war to go after the ballistic program.
So it was just funny to me because my co-host John on Moonbase Live is like actually making a better argument than Candace or any of her cohorts because they have tunnel vision.
They're like so hyper-focused on this Charlie Kirk investigation.
They have been for months.
They like, I think, have kind of forgotten what the whole point of it was.
So it was honestly funny to me that I was like, man, my co-host actually has a better, would have had a better response than Candace did when I asked about like, why would this meeting have to do with Charlie Kirk?
What is the proof of that?
And it was John's being like, yeah, they should have brought up the fact that like, yeah, Charlie Kirk was a barrier to war with Iran.
And so if the American military wants war with Iran, and you could even make the case that these guys genuinely believe what they say.
I think most of it's hogwash.
I don't think they truly feel like we're under threat from Iran, but you could make the case.
You could understand how if they really do think they have evidence that if Iran makes a nuke, they will kill millions of people or, you know, bomb Israel to smithereens, then you could understand why they would make the choices that they would make, including killing anybody that got in the way, because to them, they would be able to say to themselves, it doesn't matter how many people we have to kill, we're saving millions.
We're saving millions of lives.
Therefore, what aren't we allowed to do?
So I thought that was interesting because that is, you know, if you want to get into the conspiracy, if you want to ask why people would kill Charlie Kirk, why Charlie Kirk would be a figure slated for assassination by a high-level conspiracy, that's the answer.
The answer is because he was a highly influential voice in Trump's ear, the only voice in Trump's ear arguing against war with Iran, which, of course, as we've explained over and over, is the ultimate design of Israel.
Like it's the necessary achievement to make all of Israel's previous behavior worth it.
And obviously, with Charlie Kirk out of the way, there's nobody whispering in Trump's ear, let's not start World War III.
Hey, Trump, let's not do Israel's bidding and get us into another conflict against our interests.
Let's not be their slaves.
Nobody's saying that anymore because Charlie Kirk was murdered.
So that would be a very good reason.
But nobody made that case yesterday.
I'm going to open up the line for your calls.
The number to dial is 1877-789-2539, 1877-789-2539.
The story of the Somali fraud continues unabated.
And I noticed this a while ago, but there's been a series of examples to even better illustrate this strange series of events that keeps recurring in America today.
And it's that the federal government, the FBI in particular, doesn't investigate, doesn't look into anything, doesn't release any information, doesn't move a case forward at all until a right-wing podcaster or influencer breaks the story for them.
And then suddenly within days, they'll have a suspect, they'll have a case, they'll say, ah, don't worry, we're on it.
And I was trying to list out because, you know, obviously this happened with the pipe bomber, maybe in the most egregious case in recent history, but it's not the only one.
So you've got Steve Baker comes out with the gate analysis claiming that the January 6th pipe bomber was a Capitol police officer.
Within a week, they say, oh, actually, we have the January 6th bomber.
He's a retarded black guy.
Don't ask questions.
We're done here.
Okay, kind of see.
Timing's a little suspicious there.
A little bit odd.
Same thing happened with Tucker Carlson in the Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt.
He released a bunch of social media only to the next day, the FBI going, well, you know, we've had all of this information too, and we've been doing investigations and interviews as well.
It's like, well, then you should have released that before you were pressured to do so by the podcaster.
Same thing happened with Jeffrey Epstein.
I'd say they could have released the Epstein files at any point, not have this be the albatross around their necks.
Instead, they forced Thomas Massey to write a bill, the Epstein Files Act, and get that passed through.
So now their hands are being forced as well.
And oh, what do you know?
They've suddenly discovered a million extra files that they have to go through.
Like it really happens over and over and over again.
I'd say, you know, the Charlie Kirk assassination falls into that line as well.
So what the hell?
And then, of course, the most recent would be the Somali fraud that Nick Shirley goes and exposes in a 45-minute documentary that's now been seen like 100 million times on X.
And now the Justice Department is going and knocking politely on doors and asking questions about it.
It's like, can you guys not just do this?
Like, this is your job.
What do you do all day?
How are you, how have you been beaten to the punch on Somali fraud, the Epstein files, the Butler assassination, the Charlie Kirk assassination, the January 6th pipe bomber?
All of these, you got scooped by amateurs, by independents, by anonymous people.
It's infuriating is what it is.
Okay, so there is some there is some action being taken here.
This is interesting.
Obviously, Minnesota has been the hotspot for the recent revelations.
And now from Breanna Morello on X, Health and Human Services announces it is halting all child care payments to Minnesota amid ongoing investigations into suspected fraud at daycare centers through the state, throughout the state.
So, yeah, this is the appropriate response.
It kind of sucks because you, you know, there's probably people that depend on the child care that they receive from the government.
Like, it's not all fraud.
There are some people that probably take advantage of it and they're going to be hurt by this, but that's why you don't let the fraud happen.
As we've explained over and over with every different societal vulnerability that America has, if you can't make sure, if you can't guarantee, if you can't have guardrails that make it where only people who are qualified get the benefits or only people who are real migrants get to cross the border, if everything is abused from the asylum system to the welfare system, it's got to go away.
We can't have it anymore.
So, if you want these wonderful systems of liberal democracy to be around into the future, you need to harden them against exploitation and fraud.
We're committed to holding bad actors accountable.
Regardless of rank or office, anyone who's involved in perpetrating this fraud against the American people should expect to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm becoming untethered from the individualism of like libertarianism because there is something just fundamentally wrong with punishing people for things that they haven't done.
And I genuinely believe that.
Like, it's like one of the worst things a society can do.
Like, that's why there's that phrase, it's better to let, you know, 100 innocent people go or 100 guilty people go than imprison one innocent person because guilty people get away with stuff all the time.
It's, you know, we have an imperfect society.
Guilty people are going to get away if guilty people get away because the law isn't, you know, super, you know, that's not great.
But what is so much worse is using these powers of law and order, using the incredible authority of the state, when that is imposed on somebody that doesn't deserve it, when that is, when somebody who's innocent is treated by the system they live in as if they're guilty, that is a crime.
That's like something that we have to work to prevent very strongly.
So I don't want to say let's just punish a class of people for what some of those people did.
However, however, the Somali population's presence in America is an attack on America.
Their communities are deliberate colonies of foreigners that should have never been allowed to be created.
And you can't pull off the level of fraud that they have committed without a community-wide engagement, without community-wide involvement.
And at the end of the day, as high-falutin and sort of utopian aspects of our Constitution are, they worked for a while, but like, maybe we just got to go back to the old ways.
Maybe you just go back to the old ways.
Back in the day, if you had a population arrive and one of them did something, all of them got kicked out.
That's just how it worked.
Sorry, be on your best behavior next time.
Maybe that's just the way we need to do it now.
It's like, well, there's 10,000 Somalis.
Only 5,000 of them committed fraud.
Oh, well, sorry.
Sorry to those other 5,000.
We can't deal with you.
It's not your fault, but it's not our fault either.
You just got to go home.
You just got to go home.
And we have to remember that at the end of the day, deportation is not even a punishment.
It's not even a punishment.
It's actually why deportations are going so slow.
It's why there's not more self-deportations because deportation isn't a punishment.
You're sending people home to where they live, to where they grew up, to where they were born, to a place where they speak the language, to a place where they are citizens.
It's actually a gift to them to deport them.
What should be happening is anybody caught here should be worked in a factory for five years for the benefit of the American taxpayers, then they can be deported.
But right now, we have the situation where it's like, you have to self-deport.
And if you don't and we catch you, then you'll be deported.
And it's like, okay, so the punishment is the thing you want them to do.
You're basically saying, do this thing or else we'll make you do the thing.
They're not going to do the thing.
They're just going to wait for you to force them.
If, on the other hand, it was self-deport and you get to go home, stay here and get caught, you're going to go to jail for five years, then be deported.
Yeah, people would self-deport.
But right now, it's self-deport yourself now or just don't.
Just stay here and then maybe we'll catch you and maybe we'll deport you, but the effects will be the same.
We need mass deportations.
We need mass, unrelenting, unrestricted group deportations for any of these groups that have been dropped en masse by the thousands over the last 10 years as a deliberate attack on the demographics of the American people, which is exactly what it is.
With that, we got to the calls.
Mike, it's in the Communist Republic of Canada here talking about the decline of the West.
I don't know how to escape it, but I would like other callers to chime in and tell us what can we do about it because I'm sick of paying taxes to go to Ukraine to fund the biggest money laundering operation in history.
And it's disgusting.
And I think anyone with half a brain knows this, but it's just getting worse.
Like there's going to be a new war.
There's going to be a new Gaza.
New Israel is going to be like maybe Iran or something like that, where our tax money just gets funneled out of the country to, you know, training, training sexuals to farm rice in Bulgaria or some shit.
And it's just, it's, frankly, it's just a matter of demographics.
It's a matter of numbers.
I mean, the numbers out of the Netherlands right now, I think it was the Netherlands, in the youngest cohort, amongst the youngest generation, only 10% of them are Dutch.
90% are non-Dutch.
So in 20 years, Netherlands is not going to exist.
It's going to be a different set of people.
So if you want to act now, okay, the people of the Netherlands are still the majority.
It's just every day you wait is a day that your population is diminished and the other populations are growing.
So once it gets to the point where, you know, the natives of Europe are only 10% of the population, they can't fight back against that.
Like they can't, they're not going to be able to do anything to fight back at that point.
And there is no escape.
So fighting back is paramount.
Fighting back is key.
I do wish we could consolidate more.
I think one of the issues is that there's so many of us, but we're so widespread and we just can't get together.
And at the end of the day, the vast majority of people, unfortunately, are still asleep.
They're still going about their day.
And in fact, I think the most dangerous thing that we have to contend with is the cowardice of our own side.
Not just the cowardice that stops people from taking chances and taking risks or taking unpopular positions, but the cowardice that like people don't even want to hear about conflict.
They can't even handle like talking about people disagreeing.
And I don't know, maybe this is just maybe not everybody experiences this, but like there's so many times that I'm hanging out with friends or family or whatever.
And I know that if I tried to talk about what I talk about here on InfoWars, like you know the response of just like, oh yeah, really, we can't talk about that.
And there's like scared.
And it's like, guys, you got to stop being scared.
You got to stop being scared of confrontation.
You got to stop being scared of disagreement.
You got to stop being scared of like the reality that some people are bad.
Like that's the thing.
Racism, anti-Semitism, all of these labels depend on fear.
It is the fear of being called these things, the fear of being perceived as bad.
You've got to get over it.
You've got to get over it.
People are scared to say the Somalis are taking over the country because it's like, oh my God, yo, you're racist.
I mean, I know lots of good Somalis.
I wouldn't want to say that.
But it's like, guys, the Somalis are taking over.
Like, you have to stop them.
So you're not like nice for being taken advantage of.
not a good person for being a weak idiot that's being screwed over but people are weak man so if we if we can't even like talk about this stuff you know we're never gonna solve anything so it's it's really up to us which is why i try to encourage people just to speak up in like a casual way you know if you can say something to uh help everybody out Republic of Somaliland.
You're going to start hearing about it all the time because it's where Israel wants to send the people of Gaza.
So that's why there's the Republic of Somaliland now is because Israel wants to use it to shuffle all of its human refuse onto because they're evil.
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Like, yeah, a couple of days ago, I was cursing out Laura Loomer on X.
I kind of forgot about that.
I kind of forgot about how many people lie about us all the time, constantly trying to destroy us from every different angle, despite the fact that all we're trying to do is save the world and save the country from the ravenous grips of a cabal of psychopaths.
Sorry, sorry.
This is so much trouble for everybody.
But it's got to lie about us constantly.
And they lie about us to try to discredit us.
And they lie about us to try to take credit for what we do.
And it's just lies, So I do appreciate the call.
It is vampiric.
It is energy destroying, energy-sucking.
Again, I just, I don't know, man.
It's exhausting.
It really is exhausting.
And it just, it comes in waves, you know, sometimes it's like not a lot's going on.
And then, you know, suddenly there's a week where I'm fighting Laura Loomer and you going on Candace Owens.
I'm doing a moon base tonight.
So yeah, some weeks, some weeks, last week I had a day where I was on air for like 11 hours, something just ridiculous.
But it's fun, but it's great and necessary.
And I hope I'm using my energy adequately.
As long as I have some left over to wrestle with my children at the end of the day, then we'll be good.
We're making this happen right now because I know my producer, Scott, I just saw him sitting in the control room.
Sometimes he gets out of here before the show's over, but I know he's back there.
So I'm going to ask you to hold Undergotten.
And I'm going to ask Scott to get your information.
And we're going to bring you on as a full-fledged guest.
I know you want to present some videos and present your evidence.
I know we don't have time right now.
So, Scott, if you would please get Undergotten's information and we'll bring him on because I do think he has identified a very interesting phenomenon.
That is the manipulation of the Jetstream by the forces that be, the powers that be.
So, we'll get that.
We'll not talk about it right now, Undergotten, but we'll get that set up for later this week.
In the meantime, we'll go to Godzilla in Wisconsin.
Thank you for the call, Undergotten, and we'll talk soon.
Yeah, I haven't seen you mentioned it, but Candace mentioned on her own show, and I sent you the clip on your ex PMs about how she openly talks about how she's in the Masons, like the female versions of the Masons.
But it could add to like all the theatrics we're seeing as there's all these other gazillion wild news stories going on from, you know, well, no, wait.
So did she say, did she say she was a Mason or did she just say she was like, or is she saying she was one of the sort of like bricklayers at Turning Point?
It sounds like the way you phrased it, it wasn't I'm a Mason, but more like I was one of the, you know, early founders.
And, you know, I understand both of your guys' standpoints.
You know, you're trying to get to the bottom of this murder mystery story, you know, who done it, you know, but it's unfortunate because it's just the world we live in.
We live in the world of futuristic world of like bioengineered microchip and viruses, weapons, and chemtrails and Jeffrey Epstein project, Operation Midnight Climax stuff, you know, and this is just how we've seen just in the background here and there assassinations.
The Call of Duty video game guy was just assassinated.
Some people say in a car crash.
We still didn't find out what happened to Seth Rich.
You know, there's all these types of assassinations that come and go.
And people have a lot of hard time grasping with the reality that there's John Wick-like assassin agencies and intelligence agencies like Massad and the CIA and MI6 go around murking people all the time.
They also have ways of killing people in ways that are totally undetectable, right?
The heart attack gun has been a reality since the church hearings in the 60s.
And that was a gun that shot a frozen pellet.
So it would dissolve once it hit its target.
Like it was poison.
They would freeze poison into a frozen pellet, shoot it out of a gun.
It would go into your body, disperse, melt.
So there was no residue, no nothing.
And you would have a heart attack.
And there was no like, maybe if they could find the pinpoint, you know, needle prick where you got hit, but that was in the 60s.
I'm sure they've got 60 years of advancement through then.
I seriously doubt it would be harder than like pulling up your name on a list and clicking kill.
And, you know, I'm sure they have lots of ways of taking people out.
So, you know, the fact that it was done in front of everybody is either evidence that the, you know, a Tyler Robinson type person just took him out because, you know, that's where you would take him out as a public place.
But if it was conspiracy, it means that it was about more than just killing Charlie Kirk because if it's a big conspiracy with all of these powers, with all of these incredible capabilities to kill people, they don't have to do it in front of everybody.
They don't have to do it on camera.
They don't have to do it in a way that is bloody and traumatic.
They do that because they want that, because that's part of the effect that they're trying to create.
So if it is a conspiracy, I mean, that was a part of the, that was a part of the calculus is we don't want to just kill Charlie.
We want to make an example out of him.
So, you know, when you talk about if they just wanted him gone, there were ways to get, I mean, they can crash this plane.
They can, you know, just anything, anything, anything.
And as you point out, go look in the past and you'll see more like that.
Now, you did bring up Masons, and I'm glad you did because I wanted to bring the story up and I'd forgotten about it until you said it.
Freemasons seek injunction against a Met policy requiring officers to declare membership.
So this is like a bizarre.
This came out yesterday, but essentially the Masons are claiming religious discrimination and saying we don't have to reveal that we're Masons.
Masons have, Freemasons have demanded an emergency injunction from the high court to halt the Metropolitan Police's new policy that offers that orders officers to tell their bosses if they're members of the organization.
The Freemasons filed papers in London on Christmas Eve and claim the Mets' policy amounts to religious discrimination against Freemasons who are also police officers.
They say they're making up the law on the hoof and whipping up conspiracy theories.
The Met has vowed to fight back as it sees the policy as part of its fight to restore trust and credibility.
And the case currently under investigation involves claims of Masonic influence and alleged wrongdoing.
This is very interesting and goes to show you, you know, America sort of is less involved in this type of stuff than historically Europe is.
You know, the Masons come out of the fact that there used to be what would be called like royal monopolies.
And so the crown would basically say, you have the monopoly on steel.
You have the monopoly on wheat.
You have the monopoly as the Masons.
And so they would create these guilds that would, you know, serve as the bureaucracies that would, you know, facilitate the economy between, you know, in sort of a halfway controlled economy.
So that's where the Masons come from is it's this outgrowth of these like medieval guild systems that were created by the by the royals to control the economy.
Anyway, it's fascinating.
And like Italy, Italy is still like run by the mob to a very large degree.
Like, yeah, we have mobsters here.
We've got secret societies here.
In Europe, they're like centuries-old, entrenched, powerful forces.
And you can see that here in the UK with the Masons.
So very interesting stuff.
Thank you for the call, Godzilla.
Let's go to Master Stefu in California online eight.
I mean, I know you're sticking up for Alex, but Alex has been too hard on Candace.
In my opinion, he should take her aside and help her to get to the bottom.
What really went down with Charlie, because we know that the official narrative is bullshit and we want to get to the bottom of it.
And the people that are behind it are the people that are behind trying to kill Trump and have been behind wars and rumors of wars and everything that's since the beginning of time, since God himself warned us about certain types of people.
And I'm not saying that they're Jews.
They're not Jews.
The synagogue of Satan.
They're Satanists.
Most of them have no affiliation with Judaism whatsoever.
It's good versus evil.
And you know this.
Alex knows this.
I know that.
Everybody knows it.
And it wouldn't be too hard to mop the floor with them without anybody knowing it.
And I mean, I can go on about a few other things, but I feel like that's probably enough.
I think that, you know, it's another one of these things that it's like, okay, if you're going to, you know, take this stuff to the public square.
I mean, you know, it's just, there's just this like double standard with Candace.
It's very weird where it's like, you know, she's like, question everything.
And you're like, okay, well, what about this evidence you presented?
And it's like, shill, you're a shill.
You've been paid off.
And it's like, okay, I thought we were supposed to question everything.
I thought, you know, if you say that Mitch Snow is untrustworthy, then everybody will throw you to the wolves.
But then, you know, in the space, yesterday, Candace was like, I don't even know if I trust Mitch.
So it's like, well, then what's the big deal?
And if you're going to, you know, be going, oh, we're fearless.
We're, we're following this no matter what.
And they're trying to stop, then like, okay, when somebody, you know, comes out and hits you back just as hard, you can't cry foul and say, wait, you're being too mean.
You know, it's like, she's a big girl.
She can handle it.
And at the end of the day, that's what this is, right?
I mean, this is X is the public square.
Like, this is the Roman Forum.
This is like, whether you like it or not, you are essentially, you know, living in the Roman Republic and you're getting to watch, you know, Cicero and Caesar argue a case in front of the town, in front of the city.
And that's where these conversations happen.
That's what is, you know, going to be written down about in the future.
You know, so I, you know, things can be, can happen in private, but at the end of the day, this is what we're doing.
We're in the mix.
We're in the forum.
We're in the conversation pit, duking it out.
So, you know, if you think he's being mean, you know, okay, fine.
I think the way I've been treated by Candace's fans is way more like hateful and mean and insulting than anything else.
But, oh, but you can't dare to push back at them because then you're the bad one.
And, you know, don't you dare say, like, you know, how dare you're like, F off, stop questioning me.
They get to question you.
They get to be the inquisitors.
Like, it's this whole thing.
It's just like, so what's the deal?
So this is a revolutionary investigation that's going to, you know, shake the pillars of the world, but you, but you have to be nice to me.
Like, what?
What are we talking about here?
Oh, we're going to investigate everything, question everything.
We're going to get things wrong sometimes.
But if you say we're wrong, you're the bad guy and you're evil and you're trying to stop us and cover us up.
It's like, nothing is consistent.
Nothing is factual.
Nothing is logical.
It's all just this wishy-washy, whatever happens to be, you know, the argument that's being made at the moment.
And I just think it's unhelpful.
It's not how you actually run an investigation.
So, you know, sorry.
And look, it's like, okay, you know what's kind of mean?
It's kind of mean is like going on a podcast with millions and millions of viewers or listeners and accusing somebody of being a part of the Charlie Kirk assassination when they're completely innocent.
Yeah, that's, I think that's kind of mean.
She did it in a very nice tone of voice, but like, oh, you don't think that's mean?
You don't think that's kind of a unkind thing to do to somebody?
So, you know, okay, it might be unkind for us to say, hey, Candace, you're messing up here, but it's a lot meaner to target some random person with, you know, an avalanche of hate because some random con artist picked his picture out of a lineup.
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