Ezra Levant recounts his teenage AIPAC meeting, where he saw "handlers" reminding U.S. politicians of Jewish voters’ influence, and debates whether the group’s 99% candidate win claim reflects real power or fundraising tactics. He clashes with Harrison Smith over perceived U.S. favoritism toward Israel—like $3B annual military aid, TikTok bans, and university crackdowns—versus slower domestic responses to immigration or DEI policies, arguing inconsistencies exist but not systemic bias. Levant dismisses collective Jewish guilt claims, including those tied to Epstein or leftist figures like AOC, while defending free speech after his 2006 legal battle over Danish cartoons. The episode ends with Levant warning against unverified conspiracy theories, like blaming Chabad Lubavitch for global conflicts, and Smith promoting Rebel News amid commercials. [Automatically generated summary]
I was a Canadian, so I don't know what I was doing.
But I was assigned because I was from Calgary.
I was assigned to the group from, I think it was Oregon.
So basically, you had a couple of thousand Jews coming to Washington to learn about Israel issues.
And then they had a lobby day where everyone was directed to the congressman or senator in their region.
So if you have 2,000 Jews from across America, okay, you 10 go to this congressman, you go to that one.
And one of those people would be, they wouldn't use the word handler.
That word is chosen because it sounds like you're a paid minder.
There was someone who would sort of volunteer and be, yeah, I'll be the contact.
I'll be the one who reminds our congressman that in his district there's a thousand Jews or to remind him that in his district or people care this way.
I put it to you that APAC, like every other fundraising organization, is a specialist at asking for money and sounding like a buffer fish bigger than the AI.
And I'm not denying that APAC is powerful, but I would also put to you that every other country in the world does this too, including in recent years, Qatar.
But again, it's the fact that like, okay, we have fought like hell.
We got Trump elected.
And then it feels like so much of the effort and the energy and the resources of Trump's second administration have gone towards Israel-centric topics.
I mean, it has.
I mean, you know, yes, they're deporting people, but then you've got this hyper-focus on we're going to go through people's social media.
And if they're anti-Israel, they aren't going to get into the country.
Well, that's, well, that's where it intersects with Israel being a foreign state with its own intelligence operations that obviously considers itself a Jewish state.
And actually, I think that, again, when it gets to sort of the frustrations that we're seeing sort of bubble over on the internet right now, I think a lot of it has to do with sort of inconsistency or hypocrisies that we see, not even from Jewish people, but from people, from right-wingers, you know, in Congress.
It's almost like Israel gives them this license to be hardcore about something, but they'll never do it for Americans, right?
When it comes to Israel, it's like where you're just going to go kill everybody.
I'm talking about Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz.
It's like something about Israel gives them the license to go hardcore and almost be, you know, support an ethnostate, support identity, where everywhere else and everywhere else it's interacted.
It's, oh, well, we can't do that.
And well, let's walk carefully here.
It's like, well, they never feel that way with Israel.
So there's an inconsistency there that, again, I think grates on people.
It grates on me because I see so much being done for Israel by our federal government that they will never do for us.
But it's more about, okay, we for a decade have been going, hey, these universities are teaching anti-white stuff.
They've got entire classes called, you know, the problem with whiteness and how to eradicate it.
We can never even get a congressman to even acknowledge us, let alone do something.
Then when it becomes, oh, there's anti-you know, there's pro-Palestine protest on the campus, suddenly the federal government is like going to shut the school down if they don't immediately do something.
And so again, it's not even, it's like, it's almost like if we were getting everything we want and that was happening, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
It's the inconsistency of the federal government when it comes to serving the American people.
Our hands are tied.
Gee, we'd love to, but just we can't.
And then when it comes to something Israel wants, it's like, boom, it's done.
Because TikTok's another good example.
Trump's first administration, they tried a TikTok ban, didn't go anywhere.
It didn't even, I don't even think it went to a vote.
Nothing happened.
Then you've got Nikki Haley going up and saying, every 15 minutes you spend on TikTok, you're 30% more anti-Semitic or whatever it was.
And it's like TikTok gets banned two weeks later.
So again, it's not even necessarily the things that are happening.
It's the discrepancy between the speed and power with which the federal government will move when it comes to Israel's benefit, you know, something that benefits Israel.
But when it comes to Americans, we cannot get any benefits out of our government.
I'm your host, Harrison Smith, joined in studio by Ezra Levant.
And I just realized I don't have a sheet for you to tell everybody where to go, but obviously Rebel News is your outfit there in Canada doing amazing work.
And we're always doing news that I think is sort of a general thematic fit with War Room.
I mean, today we had a big story, very exciting, that we think we've discovered an antifus cell working out of a military base in Montreal, Quebec, which is crazy.
And of course, the censors who are either official Jews, like Jonathan Greenblatt, who's doing it in the name of Jews, and I really resent that because it's not in my name, or who are not doing it in the name of Jews, but just happen to be Jewish.
And that bugs me too.
Why does he have to be a Jewish censor?
I mean, obviously, there are non-Jewish censors too, but it sort of sticks when it's a Jew.
And I don't know.
I just, I think that I see so many, but here's people of good faith who have questions about tiny things.
Like you just raised a tiny thing.
Can you say the word Jesus Christ in a Jewish home?
I mean, and this is, this is my, this has always been my thing: is when you know a lot of Jews, it's like, okay, some of them are sort of just Jewish in name and really don't give a damn.
And then you have sort of Jewish extremists that are driven by a different, you know, religious understanding or whatever.
Every theory, every alternative theory, every critical theory, including some Zany theories.
And I thought, uh-oh, well, you think that's his first time hearing those?
He hears those every day.
And he was asked about steel and can jet fuel.
That's the one that was asked when I was there.
And he gave an answer so calmly and in my mind, so persuasively.
And I thought, holy smokes, had he been sensitive and said, how dare you?
Not only would it have not educated the woman, and I don't know if she took his answer at face value.
I was pretty persuaded by it.
But he would have given her, because having secret knowledge is one of the delights of a conspiracy theory.
I know something that you don't know and that you're not allowed to know.
I'm part of an elite priesthood that knows what's really going on.
That's one of the allures of any conspiracy theory is that you have special knowledge.
And I feel it too.
I feel like sometimes when we have a revelation on something and you, hey, everybody, you're all doing it wrong.
I got the secret truth.
And, you know, once in a while, I suppose that's true.
But with Jews and Israel, there's so many rumors out there, such BS.
I think the right approach is to do your best to answer it.
Sometimes the answers aren't great answers.
Like, if you're asking me to defend the actions of 15 or 20 million people, how could I?
Over the course of thousands of years.
Well, of course, over the course of thousands of years, some atrocious things were done by every culture, by every religion.
And how about this quirk in this?
How about this Talmud section that says that?
Well, you know what?
You ever look at other religious practices from Islam to Jehovah's Witnesses to more?
Like if the game we're playing is find something weird in the religious practices of different religions, you'll be busy.
So I cannot defend every Jew in history and every Jew in the world.
But what I can do is appeal to the good faith of InfoWars users and say, don't buy into collective guilt.
If a Jew did something, it must have been the Jews who did it.
And I always say, think of Stephen Miller in your book.
Think of the greatest staffer in the White House.
Is he not a model American?
And is he not doing more than most cabinet ministers to make America great again?
And I say this as a Canadian, but boy, I'm jealous of that.
So don't say the Jews.
If there's someone like we were just looking in the news today about that financier from Howard or whatever, who was charged with sex dungeons and stuff, and he sounds like his last name is Jewish, which I hate.
But okay, was it an essentially Jewish thing he did?
Was it a religious thing he did?
Or did he just happen to be a Jew doing something disgraceful, which embarrasses Jews, I suppose?
But was it really a Jewish thing?
I mean, there was a caller earlier on Alex's show.
What about the facts that these Jews, by being left-wing, earn anti-Semitism?
Wait a second.
Was it a Jewish thing or were they just leftists?
And I think that I would hope, and let's get into it.
Let's take as many calls as possible.
I would hope that your viewers and that InfoWar viewers would still believe in treating people as individuals and not saying a Jew did something so all Jews are culpable.
And I would hope that they wouldn't use Jews as a scapegoat for other things in their own life that maybe there's a more painful answer for.
Why aren't I getting ahead?
Why did something go wrong in my life?
Why don't I have the motivation to fix certain things?
Why can't I do this or that?
The Jews, the Jews, the Jews, the universal absolution for you don't have to take responsibility for your own lives.
It's those Jews who did it.
I'd have flat tired today.
Oh, those Jews.
So my hope is that, you know, Woody Allen apparently told a joke, what's anti-Semitism?
It's disliking Jews more than is absolutely necessary.
I mean, he was a self-deprecating Jew.
And there's, I mean, the arguments that the Jews used to be so proud of Jewish excellence.
How many Jews won a Nobel Prize?
How many Jews have written books or music?
Steven Spielberg, I mean, Jerry Seinfeld, I mean, how many Jews have done, but that doesn't win arguments now because that just goes to, oh, you see, they control.
There's so many Jewish communities you see that control Hollywood.
There's so many Jews who are, you see, they control.
They're powerful.
So try to make an argument that Jews are a net positive.
They're positive to the economy.
They're a positive to science.
How many Nobel Prize did those arguments don't work anymore, do they?
Because, oh, you see running the world.
You know, telling us you're powerful doesn't convince us you're not powerful.
All I would say is don't blame all Jews because someone who may not even regard themselves as Jewish.
Well, I guess maybe that would be a good place to start because I think you're right that a lot of it has to do with the way that the questions are just absolutely shut down.
And again, that's why I say I think I'm sort of in a unique position to do this because I totally get why people have the questions that they have and why they get mad when they're not answered.
So I want to put those to you, at least some of them.
But again, I don't do it from a place of ignorance of Jews or of hatred for Jews, obviously.
So when it comes to, I guess the question is, what is a Jew?
That's one thing that like nobody seems to can, you know, nobody can define.
Is it a religion?
Is it a race?
I mean, how do you define whether somebody is a Jew or not?
And for me, I just say, well, if they say they are, they are.
That's basically as deep as I can get it.
Because other than that, there doesn't seem like a lot of strict definitions.
Well, probably they don't hate Israel, but they're not saying I'm Israeli.
They're saying I'm Jewish.
So you have a religion that is also a state, but you can convert to become a Jew.
You can convert to the religion, although Jews generally try to dissuade you.
I don't know if you know that, but rabbis try to tell you not to do it.
No, you don't want to do this.
Like they're not evangelists.
But it's also inheritable.
There's Jews of different races.
Believe it or not, there's Ethiopian Jews.
If you've ever been to Israel, I think you would be shocked by how multiracial it is.
There's a lot of Jews from Arab lands who after Israel was founded, they were all kicked out and they went to Israel, the one place that would take them.
There used to be hundreds of thousands of Jews in Libya, Iraq, Syria, Yemen.
You know, can you imagine?
There used to be an enormous number of Jews.
They all went to Israel.
And so you have different colors and different races, I suppose, but they're all Jewish.
Then you got the Russian Jews who came in the last 40 years.
So it's a tough one.
Is Israel an ethno-state?
Well, sort of, in that anyone around the world, there's a law called the law of return.
If you're a Jew, you can go to Israel.
And that's sort of a leftover from when Jews couldn't flee anywhere.
And one of the contradictions in anti-Semitism is, Jews, get out of Israel.
That's Palestinian.
Go back to Poland.
Jews, get out of Europe, go to, well, where, you know, I think there's three ways of determining what is your ethnic homeland.
And I spend time in wonderful places and I think about it a lot.
Like I think about the word indigenous.
We don't use it enough for the indigenous English, the indigenous Irish.
But are they not?
They've been there for centuries and they are rooted to the land.
They're ethnicity.
And you don't want to be racist, but can anyone become Irish?
Well, it's a tough question.
And maybe it's not my right to answer.
But I think that Israel has three things going for it.
It's historically, like, you know, thousands of years ago, as told in the Bible, it was historically the indigenous people.
They also were granted it in a legalistic situation by the United Nations.
And finally, they won it in wars, which is how a lot of countries get their territory.
So you could say Israel exists by not one, but three different methods or standards, which is probably more than a lot of countries that are divvied up by some decolonialization.
And then, of course, you get into the colonial aspect and the fact that the left sees everything in this very simple paradigm of oppressor versus oppressed, white brown.
Well, there's that, but then there's also the fact that like right now there's a lot of anti-Semitism rules being passed in America and stuff like that.
And a lot of time that's predicated on this sort of assumption that Jews need extra protection and they're in this very sort of fragile state.
And so there's a contradiction there of actually the Jews are really strong.
We don't need your help.
But also if you don't censor people, then it's going to be dangerous for us.
So there's a contradiction there that I think grates on people.
And halfway through, I mean, my legal bill in the end was about 100 grand, but halfway through, the Human Rights Commission said to me, if you give this guy a full pay, like there was a Muslim imam from Pakistan who had complained.
If you give him a full page in your magazine that you can't edit other than for typos and pay him, I think it was like 8,000 bucks, we'll let you go.
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And what we're talking about, we're going to take calls.
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I was sort of writing down notes as you were talking to Alex, because again, I grew up around a lot of Jewish people.
I know the extremist Jews.
I know the Jews that don't really care that much about it at all.
And what's the cliche where they say, you know, two Jews go in a room and three opinions come out, something like that?
Like, it's an incredibly intellectually diverse group of people.
And people don't really know how to deal with that, especially when you have the likes of Jonathan Greenblatt of the ADL claiming to speak for everybody of the Jewish faith or the Jewish ethnicity or however you want to define it.
And I always call Jonathan Greenblatt our self-appointed Jewish overlord.
He decided he's the one that gets to decide what everybody says.
And I just try to stay consistent.
I wouldn't be okay with Catholics having this amount of power.
I wouldn't be okay with Protestants having this amount of power.
I'm not okay with Jews having this amount of power.
And to me, there's something when you try to, when I try to just have a principled stance that I apply, regardless of the, you know, I don't want a foreign nation involved.
If it's Israel, great.
If it's Mexico, great.
I don't care.
It's a foreign nation as far as I'm concerned.
I feel like that confuses people.
People want me to either be anti-Jew or a Mossad agent, and they can't handle that.
Like, genuinely, I got nothing against Jews, but I see a threat to my First Amendment coming from people who are claiming to act on the behalf of all Jews.
I mean, how do you deal with that and the power of the ADL or APAC or any of these groups?
And what you're actually doing, former senior Obama aide, is you are weaponizing the word anti-Semitism to silence critics of the left.
And like a knife that is dulled by overuse, when anti-Semitism finally does arrive, no one will believe you because you called every conservative anti-Smith.
Here, if you don't mind, I'd love to play the list with volume up.
It doesn't matter, but finally now, when the world has turned so anti-Semitic, no one believes us because of people like you and the work you've done over so many years.
Destroying our allies, making lists about our allies, people that actually defend us.
You've been a big part of that problem, haven't you?
I used to do it more where I would just refer to him as a different name because to me, it's like, you know, you read a headline, Jonathan Greenblatt condemns.
And it's like, it might as well say Michael Smith.
He's using my reputation, my name, my history, and thousands of years of history.
He is pretending to the world that this is a Jewish project.
When I put it to you, it's a left-wing project using Judaism as the tactic.
And it's doubly effective.
It puts people of good faith on the back foot.
No, no, I'm not.
No, let me be defensive and explain to you that I'm not.
And I don't know.
I find it an odious approach.
And there's other people out there that do things in the name of all Jews.
And that's one of my messages to viewers of Infowars is, can you please do me the personal favor as someone who's been in this battle, this information war, for 35 years and who shares your values of fighting against, like, look at us.
We're there in Davos scrumming these guys.
Like, it's fun, but that's doing good work too.
You know, we were with the truckers and then we crowdfunded their legal defense.
We're in the UK with Tommy Robinson crowdfunding his legal defense when they try and silence him.
We do, you know, we were really the only people who in a serious way oppose the COVID lockdowns in Canada.
So we're doing all the same things you're doing.
can you do me the favor and judge me for who I am rather than say, okay, you're a Jew and Greenblatt's a Jew and Rabbi Shmuley is a Jew.
Well, I'd say it's a little bit different because the AOC doesn't often predicate what she's doing on her Catholicness, which is what Jonathan Greenblatt does.
Well, that's where it intersects with Israel being a foreign state with its own intelligence operations that obviously considers itself a Jewish state.
And actually, I think that, again, when it gets to sort of the frustrations that we're seeing sort of bubble over on the internet right now, I think a lot of it has to do with sort of inconsistency or hypocrisies that we see, not even from Jewish people, but from people, from right-wingers, you know, in Congress.
It's almost like Israel gives them this license to be hardcore about something, but they'll never do it for Americans, right?
When it comes to Israel, it's like you're just going to go kill everybody.
I'm talking about Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz.
It's like something about Israel gives them the license to go hardcore and almost be, you know, support an ethno-state, support identity, where everywhere else and everywhere else it's interacted.
It's, oh, well, we can't do that.
And well, let's walk carefully here.
It's like, well, they never feel that way with Israel.
So there's an inconsistency there that, again, I think, I think, grates on people.
It grates on me because I see so much being done for Israel by our federal government that they will never do for us.
But it's more about, okay, we for a decade have been going, hey, these universities are teaching anti-white stuff.
They've got entire classes called, you know, the problem with whiteness and how to eradicate it.
We can never even get a congressman to even acknowledge us, let alone do something.
Then when it becomes, oh, there's anti, you know, there's pro-Palestine protest on the campus, suddenly the federal government is like going to shut the school down if they don't immediately do something.
And so again, it's not even, it's like, it's almost like if we were getting everything we want and that was happening, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
It's the inconsistency of the federal government when it comes to serving the American people.
Our hands are tied.
Gee, we'd love to, but just we can't.
And then when it comes to something Israel wants, it's like, boom, it's done.
Because TikTok's another good example.
Trump's first administration, they tried a TikTok ban, didn't go anywhere.
It didn't even, I don't even think it went to a vote.
Nothing happened.
Then you've got Nikki Haley going up and saying, every 15 minutes you spend on TikTok, you're 30% more anti-Semitic or whatever it was.
And it's like TikTok gets banned two weeks later.
So again, it's not even necessarily the things that are happening.
It's the discrepancy between the speed and power with which the federal government will move when it comes to Israel's benefit, you know, something that benefits Israel.
But when it comes to Americans, we cannot get any benefits out of our government.
And you say, well, look at my pleading, special pleading for the Jews.
No, if it was, like, I have to believe, and I do believe, that if the kind of crazy anti-Jewish stuff that, I mean, I went to Columbia to check it out.
I went to the Fashion Institute of Technology in New York when it happened there.
Like, I went to some of these schools.
I went to the University of Toronto, my own country.
It was crazy.
And I thought to myself, what if they swapped in the word black for Jews or Israel?
Would that be allowed?
Well, and I don't think so.
Like, I think that would be a National Guard moment.
So, again, I think this is one of the things I see.
Because like Avi Yemeni, amazing video we just saw.
I've always been a big fan of him.
He's very fearless and just goes sort of right into the lion's den.
I really appreciate and respect that.
But, you know, I've seen him in Australia sort of, you know, trying to argue against or stand up against the national, I guess they're the national socialists there, whoever it is.
And I feel like there's a lot of times where white people in particular, Christians, Native Americans and Europeans, want to stand up for themselves against the Muslim immigration, against, you know, being swamped.
And a lot of times it's Jewish people that are going, whoa, whoa, whoa, we're going down a dangerous road here.
nazism lies at the end of it and and so then there i know i'll be pretty well and i think he shares my view against immigration i I think there were some actual Nazis there.
If it's the same rally, and if it's the same rally we're talking about, the one that happened about a month ago, that was a pro-Australia anti-immigration rally.
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All right.
Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen.
Second hour with Ezra Levant.
I don't know why I can't say her name.
Ezra Levant.
It's the R and the L. I mix them up.
Ezra Levant is here in studio with us.
RebelNews.com is where you can go to find all of his incredible work.
And it really is incredible.
And again, I'm glad we're having this conversation.
Really feel like these conversations are necessary because when you go on the internet, it just becomes this divisive thing where half the time being pressured by Nazis, half the time being pressured by Jews.
And I'm just like, I'm trying to get to the truth here and I'm trying to figure out the way forward.
But before we go out to calls, because I do want to go out to calls right now, like one thing I see is I think Israel is really going down a bad slope right now.
I mean, they got all the EU turning against them, you know, claiming that or, you know, claiming they're going to recognize Palestine, stopping weapon shipments.
A lot of the American populace, especially the young people, are turned against Israel now.
I mean, I sort of struggle to see how they regain their footing after this because I think what's gone on in Gaza has been so horrifying to people and the videos have come out so regularly for so long.
I mean, you know, early on, I was going, hey, Israel should not be doing this.
You know, they're bombing hospitals and churches or, you know, schools.
This isn't good.
I got called an anti-Semite then, but now we are, you know, nearly two years down the road.
And it's like, yeah, this is not, it's not going well for Israel right now.
I mean, how do you, how do you take that criticism?
Now, you mean, obviously, but of Israel and how they represent the Jewish people on the world stage for claim to.
I'm an Israeli, but I do pay a little bit of attention to what they say about this.
So maybe I can try and answer for maybe the different viewpoint from, let's say, Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, which is, so you said it's not going well at all.
I'm not sure what it means to recognize a country.
So far, none of them, I saw Spain was talking about moving its diplomats, and Israel said, okay, if you're having Palestinian diplomats, they have to be in Ramallah.
And none of the Spanish diplomats wanted to leave Israel to go move to a really, I've been to Ramallah.
It's not a diplomat-friendly place.
So what does it mean when Canada, my country, recognizes Palestine?
So who's the leader?
What's the constitution?
What are the borders?
Like, what does it mean other than it's the ultimate virtue signal?
But from Israel's point of view, you might hear this.
Okay, so Iran has lost a lot of their generals, has had a lot of their ICBMs nuked, or not nuked, destroyed, and had their nuclear program set back, if not eliminated.
Hezbollah, which was actually probably the most dangerous force of all, 100,000 rockets, completely decapitated in what could only be called a miraculous move of espionage, like the Pagers, and then the precise bombing of their leaders.
Like that was without a fight.
And Hezbollah retreating from Lebanon, and Hamas has been decimated.
Now, it's still alive.
But all these threats against Israel have been smashed.
And the big risk being from Iran.
So I think, yes, diplomatically, politically, it hasn't gone well if your measurement is how is it looking online?
It's looking really bad online, online, online.
And you and I spend an enormous amount of time online, but they're living real life stuff now.
And I think militarily, Israel's never been stronger.
And what happened yesterday at the White House?
Netanyahu agreed that if Hamas really does pack up shop, Israel will remove itself in stages and there will be a new kind of Gaza there.
Now, I don't think it's going to happen because I think Hamas is relentless.
I think they really are like Nazis with the religious layer on top of it, too.
So I think that there's some pie in the sky.
Who knows?
Maybe Qatar can wrangle them.
But if that comes to pass, if the war ends, if an attempt to replicate Dubai is made in Gaza, how has Israel not won in every meaningful way?
Shanatova, I know I'm a little late and I hope young Kippah comes better.
I did have a question.
I went to a dinner there at Russia Shunner, and I'm a bit of a rebel, and I wore a black InfoWar shirt there with the black letters on it and an InfoWar hat.
I had a yarmulke underneath, but anyways, I'm a little bit of a rebel.
And we were sitting there, and I was asked if I was an infomercial, you know, for somebody, you know, advertising for InfoWars.
And I said, no, but I like InfoWars.
And there are people there that did.
And the rabbi is pretty cool.
And anyways, there was a guy there, and I've been meaning to ask the rabbi.
There was a man that he had like a swast sticker on a button on his lapel.
And he was an older gentleman, and he had like different medals and whatnot.
And he was an older guy.
I thought Alex might have been able to give a little history on that or Ezra on the swath sticker and how it pertained.
I mean, this was an orthodox event.
And I felt a little like, what is this guy doing here with this swath sticker on his lapel?
Okay, then the other thing was, you mentioned Tucker, and, you know, the guy that the man at the table we were sitting at, he says, I'll bet you like Tucker Carlson.
Well, I've seen you on his program, and I've seen a lot of his, you know, I follow Tucker on X, and I've seen a lot of his interviews.
I must say, I listened to Alex's program 10 hours a day most days because I'm on the road.
But so when I went home that night, just for Ha Has, I put on the interview of the what he spoke about on Charlie Kirk about eating hummus and they and that they they killed Jesus.
Well, no offense to anybody, but anytime I hear Jesus, I just recognize growing up where I grew up, that's God, you know, but it's just a different name, Hashem, I don't know, you know, whatever you want to call God.
And I only believe, of course, because I'm Jewish and one God, and I don't see that I need to go through.
Well, I watched it, and to be honest with you, you know, everybody ate hummus back then.
I mean, the Arabs, the Jews, and, you know, and I still eat hummus, and I love it.
So, but, you know, he was kind of, you know, what I felt?
I felt like, you know, I felt I can relate and understand how the man I was sitting with didn't particularly care the way he put the blame on the Jews for killing Jesus.
But in my belief, my understanding, there's one God, and I got nothing against Jesus.
If you want to believe in Jesus, I say, God bless.
And of course, Jay is one of our many Jewish audience members that I think about anytime we talk about Jews in the recognition that, hey, there are people listening to me right now that agree with me and don't deserve to be lumped in with the likes of any of the bad people you'd like to name, like Jonathan Greenblatt.
What did you think?
Because I sort of under, maybe I'm being naive or missing the dog whistle or whatever, but I sort of understood what Tucker was saying as just purely about what a terrible idea it was to think that killing somebody would stop their ideas in the sense that you think you're going to kill Jesus and that'll be that.
And, you know, by Monday, everybody will have forgotten.
And 2,000 years later, we're still counting the years by from when he was born.
So that's how I understood it.
But I could also understand how it could be a dog whistle of sorts.
And I don't understand why he has changed his compass.
A crass accusation would be cash.
I find that hard to believe because I think he's wealthy and I don't think he's, I mean, he's enough that he doesn't need to be greedy.
Is it?
I don't know what it is.
Is it revenge against someone who treated him poorly, whether that's the Murdoch or whether it's, I don't know.
I cannot calculate.
I cannot make sense why Tucker has now taken.
Like the other day I saw him talk about Sharia law.
I don't know if you saw that clip.
And he said, look on the streets of, I forget which Arab country he was referring to.
And he said, you know, it's safe.
You don't have to lock your car.
Women aren't raped.
Who wouldn't want that?
Well, yeah, brother.
That's like maybe one aspect of Sharia law, but actually that's because women can't go out without being totally covered and without their male guardian there.
Like there's a lot of real obvious arguments against that, but Tucker knows that.
I've seen Tucker rail against that.
How can you make a 180-degree shift?
And that's why I'm very troubled by it, is because I'm the original Tucker Super fan who now is.
I'm shaken in my faith in him.
And I don't want to call him an anti-Semitic.
I hate throwing that around casually.
But because I've seen so many things that make me raise an eyebrow, when I saw that comment, I thought, why are you at the moment there burying this man in front of his widow, making an implication that the Jews did it?
Because there's all these wild accusations that Israel did it.
And some of the accusations are completely baseless.
Candace Owens saying, I know his final thoughts in the letter.
The letter to Benjamin Netanyahu was finally released.
And, you know, I mean, Candace is someone else that I sort of looked up to, but she's gone totally cuckoo.
Like, she's saying there's not even such a thing as Jews.
They're Frankists.
And there's like, I just, like, I feel like the woman is reading Wikipedia for an hour at night and then stretches it another standard deviation and then speaks it with great, like, I don't know what the hell is going on there.
And that's one of the reasons I wanted to come on Alex's show, because I know that in my one hour with him and my two hours with you, I'm not going to convert any Semites into Jew lovers.
I'm not going to change people's mind in a deep way.
It would be impossible to do so, and I would be a fool to try.
But I am trying to leave two ideas out there, and you've heard me say them a few times.
One is, don't make the mistake of the left in imputing a collective guilt or a collective mindset.
Jews, as we just, you just had a Jewish Alex Jones supporter, a big-time Alex Jones supporter, going to a Jewish event, decked out head to toe in Alex Jones swag.
That's not a 10 out of 10 Alex Jones supporter.
How can you say that man is cut from the same cloth as Alex Soros?
On paper, they're both Jews.
But he used the word, I don't know if you heard it, he said Rosh Hashanah.
That's the Jewish word for how he was saying a few things about it's a Jewish high holiday.
I don't think Alex Jones even knows, sorry, I don't think Alex Soros even knows how to say those words.
So can you really say, take the sins of George and Alex Soros and put them on that friendly trucker?
No, you can't.
And to do so is to offend one of the key values of our side of the argument, which is to treat people as individuals.
Listen, I know that Jews on the whole tilt liberal.
I'm not dumb.
Just like blacks and Hispanics do.
But, you know, take people as they come.
And I've lived my life as a freedom fighter in a smaller footprint than Alex Jones, but I feel a camaraderie.
And so I want anyone who's watching in good faith to use that one device is don't say the Jews, because it wasn't all the Jews.
And it may not have even been a Jewish impulse.
It could have just been a Jew by coincidence.
And the second thing is do not use the Jews did it, Israel did it, as an excuse for everything else.
And with great respect, I think you did that a tiny bit today too.
And here's what I mean.
How come Israel gets all this support from U.S. senators and America?
We can't do the same thing.
How come Israel is allowed to have maybe an ethnic policy, but America isn't?
Okay.
What are you talking about?
It's your country.
That little Nazi I bumped into in Ireland basically said the Jews have brought the downfall of Ireland.
There are 2,000 Jews in Ireland of a country of 5 million.
It's not even 0.1%.
There has not been a Jew in the Irish parliament in over a decade.
If there is a problem in Ireland, which there is, and I love Ireland, and I want Ireland to fix its problems.
I want Ireland to stop the deracination of its own people.
It breaks my heart, the de-Irishing of that country.
And I say this as a foreigner.
But for him to say the Jews did it, no, brother.
A parliament of Irishmen did it.
And he goes, oh, but the Jews are pulling the strings.
Are they really?
If so, can you not have a vote in your parliament?
Like, at what point, how Jew-free does your country have to be before you can say, you know what, maybe we opened the door.
Well, just, you know, to play devil's advocate here, the argument is like, well, we have the ADL training our FBI, and they say that, you know, it's not that, oh, Nazis are bad.
They say, you know, signs that say it's okay to be white are bad.
So we have this institutional force that is suppressing the ability of native white Christian people to take their own side.
And that is another thing that I don't even, it's not even that I'm like, oh, I want to be like Israel or like they get to have it and we don't, and that's not fair.
There's something about it that when it comes to Republicans, they have been trained, you know, like Pavlovian.
It's like, you know, they're like dogs.
They like cannot support Americans, especially not when it comes to like, like they, I mean, they stripped Steve King of his, you know, committee meetings because he was like, yeah, white people aren't that bad.
What's the big deal?
And, you know, the Republicans lead the charge on stripping him of his committee meeting.
Listen, we've already agreed that the ADL are the bad guys.
I've shown you the proof of our team in action exposing that.
I think that everyone has to find their courage.
I'm a nationalist populist.
And by the way, that applies to the Jews too.
The Jews have a historical homeland.
Read the Bible.
The Jews also won it through a grant from the United Nations.
The Jews also won it in a series of wars.
That's three ways the Jews own Israel.
Now, you could argue about the borders, and that's being done.
By the way, to answer your question from half an hour ago, I think if this peace deal sticks, Israel would be in a golden age because this political, military, terrorist soar will be over.
Wouldn't it be something if it was the new Dubai?
Iran is being taken down a notch.
There's a reason why United Arab Emirates in Saudi Arabia are warm to Israel because they were worried about Iran.
And they also want to move forward from this hate.
You know, I saw an interesting post by Dominique Cummings that senior people in the UAE say, don't send your kids to London to go to school because they'll come back radicalized.
We crowdfunded some money to get some Christians out of there because they were being persecuted by ISIS.
And then the next Iranian Islamic terrorist group called Hashdel Shabi.
So I went over there and I was in this tiny town called, oh, I forget.
It's such a tiny, it means house of dirt.
I'm trying to remember how to say that in Arabic.
And I went into a church because these were all Christian towns that ISIS had come in and spray-painted with a stencil on the wall, basically get out, convert or die.
I would just say, you know, it's like when you say, like, well, why don't you, you know, why don't you vote, you know, or get in your parliament?
It's your people doing it.
Again, I just think there's this institutional push that is driven by organizations like the ADL that I know we don't like, but, you know, they couch their actions on, you know, being representative of Jewish people.
Well, again, you've got Thomas Massey saying that everybody's got an AIPAC handler.
And we see the way that sort of what is like when Benjamin Anyahu walks into Congress, he gets a standing ovation from both sides of the aisle, right?
So it feels like, okay, how can we not, no American president will ever get loyalty from both sides of the aisle, but the Israeli president commands loyalty from both sides of the aisle.
I was a Canadian, so I don't know what I was doing.
But I was assigned because I was from Calgary.
I was assigned to the group from, I think it was Oregon.
So basically, you had a couple of thousand Jews coming to Washington to learn about Israel issues.
And then they had a lobby day where everyone was directed to the congressman or senator in their region.
So if you have 2,000 Jews from across America, okay, you 10 go to this congressman, you go to that one.
And one of those people would be, they wouldn't use the word handler.
That word is chosen because it sounds like you're a paid minder.
There was someone who would sort of volunteer and be, yeah, I'll be the contact.
I'll be the one who reminds our congressman that in his district there's a thousand Jews or to remind him that in his district or people care this way.
I put it to you that AIPAC, like every other fundraising organization, is a specialist at asking for money and sounding like a buffer fish bigger than the, and I'm not denying that APAC is powerful, but I would also put to you that every other country in the world does this too, including in recent years, Qatar.
But again, it's the fact that like, okay, we have fought like hell.
We got Trump elected.
And then it feels like so much of the effort and the energy and the resources of Trump's second administration have gone towards Israel-centric topics.
I mean, it has, I mean, you know, yes, they're deporting people, but then you've got this hyper-focus on we're going to go through people's social media.
And if they're anti-Israel, they aren't going to get into the country.
But if you are pro-Hamas, pro-terrorist, you can be an American of any background and say, you've come to our country and you're supporting proscribed terrorist groups.
Get out.
I mean, is that a favorite of the Jews?
Well, I guess because Hamas hates the Jews the most.
But that's very, it's very different to kick out a supporter of a terrorist group than, I mean, well, I just, I mean, the example.
What if there was a bunch of, how if there were a bunch of foreign students, international students, who were full-blown anti-black racists, and they would burn a cross maybe and wear white hoods, maybe instead of a kefiya, wear a white hood.
Instead of chanting from the river to the sea, they were chanting some anti-black thing.
If foreign nationals came to America, went to universities and hounded blacks in the manner that these foreign nationals are coming to universities hounding Jews.
Do you think that those foreign nationals would have their visas stripped by Trump and kicked out?
Well, I would just say that what APAC does is draws a bunch of, again, the resources, energy, effort of our government away from things that actually would benefit or, you know, available.
No, no, it's not necessarily about the foreign aid that we have.
We'll go out to calls.
We keep getting distracted.
We've got to go to calls.
We're going to call them the next time.
I promise.
Stay on the line.
We'll be right there.
All right, folks.
We actually are going to be joined by another guest, David Pine, in the next hour.
So we're not going to do all three hours with Ezra Levant.
He is here for this final segment, and we thank him so much for giving us so much of his time and taking on these questions and these issues that so often just get bowled over and people get called names and these things never get discussed.
I think we need to discuss it for all of our sakes.
And Harrison Q, but Ezra, for sure, would you say pretty much that this world is basically in confusion in Babylon because there's so much out there that people are basically heads are spinning?
The Jews of the tribe of Judah have been taking the wrap for centuries as to what the Kinites, K-E-N-I-T-E-T-A-R-E-S, Kinite terrors, have wrought on this world.
Everybody blames the Jews.
We are talking about two separate peoples, and I'm imploring both of you.
And I know there's a King James, a standard King James lying around the office somewhere.
And before Ezra leaves, you track this down because it's the key of David.
It's real quick.
Listen up.
Here it comes.
John 8:42 to 47.
Revelation 2:9, 39.
Matthew 24, 30.
Then jump to Matthew 13, 24, 30, then jump to 34, 43.
Genesis 3, 19, 13 to 19.
Ezekiel 28, 13.
1 Chronicles 2:55.
1 John 3, 10 and 12.
That nails down from God, not me, none of us, of what the hell we're talking about here, because the Jews are absolutely getting decimated by these people.
God warned of the Kinite since the garden, okay?
And Kinite just means it's basically a Hebrew, the offspring of Cain.
And so when we call out the Jews, we shouldn't be calling out the Jews.
I mean, John 8, 44 says Jesus confronts the religious leaders and says, you are of your father, the devil, and your will is to be, to do your father's desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning.
Okay.
And so we have to recognize that when we start labeling, you know, calling out, saying it's the Jews, it's not the Jews.
Who does Satan want us to, who does he want to persecute?
Well, of course the Jews, because everything out of Satan's mouth is a lie, right?
But we also got to remember in Judges the failure to drive the Canaanites out.
God says Israel failed to expel the Canaanites and its inhabitants.
And this disobedience led to spiritual and moral compromise.
So we have to take that into account.
And so there is, you know, in Matthew 21, it says, therefore, I say unto you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.
So is that the United States?
Is that who we are now?
I mean, because it says that those will be grafted in that are not of the 12 tribes.
We are grafted in as Christians, okay?
And so their fulfillment from God for their land has already been fulfilled.
And we can call, you know, Israel, God can defend Israel anytime he wants.
And it says the final battle, that what happens is, is that Israel will be surrounded and the armies do not come to defend it.
That's what a lot of, especially the evangelicals sort of look forward to.
And, you know, it's behind a lot of their support of Israel.
Comments on that.
Because, you know, if you read the Old Testament, it's sort of a constant, you know, there are Jews that are falling out of favor with God and they start worshiping cows and get punished.
And then there are good people that get the blessing of the Lord.
So there's a constant sort of back and forth throughout the Old Testament.
I think it's an eye-opener for people who think about Israel and talk about Israel as you do.
And I think the first thing is it's surprising.
It's very modern, very multiracial, very multicultural, which I think would surprise people.
And you'd be surprised at how many Arabs interact completely peacefully with Jews.
Like, I think you would be shocked because the only news you get about the region is bad news.
But in Jerusalem, for example, you see Jews, very Orthodox, Muslim women, very Orthodox, and they interact in general peacefully.
I think you would be startled by that.
You would be fascinated by their technology, their military, their fence technology.
They have a barrier between Arab villages and Jewish villages for security, something that I think America could profit from learning about.
But I think for a Christian person, going to the places in the Bible cannot but be moving, confirming in your faith.
And just even for people who are not religious, but just who know the stories, it's fascinating.
You know, Armageddon, Hebrew Harmegiddo, there's a place called Megiddo where how many, yeah, and how many levels of civilization ruined upon one and the next.
I would encourage any Israel skeptic to go to Israel.
And I would say, try and meet with both sides.
And I think that I think it would, I mean, like if you talked about Italy as much as you talk about Israel and the Jews, wouldn't you think, well, maybe I'm just going to go and check it out?
I'm not saying you don't know a lot about it.
In fact, the opposite.
I'm saying because you do know so much about it.
What would happen if you went there?
And I'm not saying to go in a managed way, but I just think that being there, especially when we're hearing about, you know, two calls in a row have referred to old texts and what happened thousands of years ago.
What would happen if you actually saw evidence of that?
And how would you feel about protecting that?
And how would you feel about the Christian community in a place like Bethlehem being eradicated?
And I don't know.
I would recommend anyone go there.
You know, Rebel News eight years ago, we took our staff and we had some skeptics on our staff.
And I said, we're going to Israel.
We're going to crowdfund it.
You have only one rule.
You can say anything you want, but you have to be honest.
And I thought that was a great, well, we took Gavin McInnes.
But I mean, just how small it is, how close, like how narrow Israel is where the West Bank, like it's what, 11 miles or something at its narrowest point at that point.
Like, that's another thing for America, which is a big, mighty country with hundreds of millions of people.
Or just imagine the death toll of 1,200 people killed in a terrorist attack.
Well, I mean, what was the biggest attack on America?
There was a World Trade Center and there was Pearl Harbor.
Each was about 3,000 dead.
Okay, well, Israel has about 10 million people.
They had 1,200 dead.
So multiply that by 30.
That would be like 30,000 killed in one day.
Like the shock.
And also, you know what?
There's one thing about Israel.
And you talked about why does Israel get certain treatment and America doesn't.
On that, I very much agree with you on one particular thing.
Israelis have skin in the game.
It's not just internet chit chat.
They have to go and join the conscription there.
And they most likely will serve and be in danger.
And so you've got to make a decision about your life.
And is it meaningful?
And, you know, Israel, incredibly, is one of the few Western countries that has a positive birth rate.
You know, from Italy to Canada to the Scandinavian countries, no one's having babies anymore.
How is it that in a country that's in such existential jeopardy, such military threat, they're having more babies?
There's something there that I wish Americans would learn.
You keep talking about white Americans.
Okay, why is the white American birth rate so low?
Now, there's some reasons, housing costs, people being demoralized in certain ways, unemployment.
You can't get a job to pay the bills.
You can't move out.
There's a lot of reasons.
I know them.
But maybe there's something to learn.
How is it that a beleaguered little country has just decided it's going to live?
It's just decided that.
Decided it doesn't give a damn what the UN says.
Decided it doesn't give a damn what alt-right Twitter says.
Decided it's just going to live.
There's something that I wish Americans would learn from that.
And I think you do too, because you've said it about four times today.
Well, there's well, there's different it's different in the political where it's like we do advocate for these things and then we just get ignored, which is which is frustrating.
And then the personal, because I think I was saying to you during the break, like one of the things that I've noticed in my life, all of my Jewish friends all got married young.
They're all super close with their extended families.
They all had tons of kids.
And it's like, I don't see my white friends following that same.
So there's a lot of stuff about the Jewish community that I'm like, why can we not do this?
Why can we not?
And, you know, part of it is sort of the, you know, in Israel specifically, like the siege mentality.
When you're under pressure like that, it's good for you.
What's going wrong with America is we're too comfortable and we think everything's going to fine no matter what.
And we can just, you know, I'll put off getting married till I'm 45 and then I'll have kids.
And I would encourage people to get the shirt, you know, the rebel news, InfoWars, go to the city councils and supervisors and, you know, Canada and here and, you know, give them a comment.
Okay.
Now, in regards to Stu Peters, I also respect him.
He calls himself the walking lie detector cask.
And I think there's been some miscommunication.
I don't think he's lied.
And I don't think Alex has lied.
There's been some real miscommunication.
So if you would publicly say, Stu, you can call in.
But, you know, it's limited.
Maybe you could make two minutes apiece, five minutes apiece, whatever you wish.
And then, you know, you could answer his statements or you can ignore them and vice versa.
But I would love to see Stu Peters on the Ezra Levant show in Rebel News and on InfoWars and, you know, different platforms because there's a lot of us listening that do respect all four of you guys, even though, you know, there's some disagreements.
Well, I'll say, when it comes to Stu Peters, every time he says stuff online, that's because he'll say, oh, the InfoWars hosts told me I couldn't go on.
And I just say to him, you're lying.
That's a lie.
Stop saying that.
Stop lying about this.
You're lying.
I got no beef with Stu Peters other than just that's a lie, so he shouldn't say it.
I mean, I've been on Stu Peter's show, but yeah, he's, you know, like I was saying, he's the one that, I mean, he's got a warped view.
And so I disagree with him, and I go on a show and tell him that.
He's written four books, the most recent of which is Illuminati 4, which was an ⁇ I read the first three books.
They were great.
But this one was just startling.
It came out in January.
He makes the claim that Chabad is moving this extremist, ultra-Orthodox clique of Jews out of the synagogue in New York City, and they have similar organizations across the nation and across the world.
But this organization is pushing the world towards a nuclear Armageddon in the hopes of exterminating all Gentiles or as many as possible to bring about what they consider the real Messiah, Mashiach.
And this is their intent.
And he claims that they have an important or critical window between Rosh Hashanah 2027 and Rosh Hashanah 2028, in which this all must be accomplished.
And I looked at these weird reversals of Trump, whom he claims, again, is a member of Chabad, kind of a quieter.
They're basically evangelical Jews, but not towards Gentiles, towards getting existing Jews to maybe raise their observance level.
That's the thing about Jews.
They don't try and convert people to Judaism, but rabbis like Chabad try and say, come on, light those Sabbath candles.
Come on, keep a little kosher.
Like they're sort of nagging you in a very friendly way to boost your Judaism.
They're big in a charity.
They're sort of like the Mormon missionaries.
They go far away.
There's Chabad in Dubai.
There's Chabad in Beijing.
Like in the strangest places you'll find these folks.
I have been dealing with Chabad.
I saw Chabad Rabbi a week ago in Calgary, Alberta.
I have been dealing with these people for 35 years.
I have never once heard anything political or in the manner you just described.
Now, I'm not, listen, I don't know what every Chabad rabbi in the world.
Listen, they love coming together and giving an award.
And of course, I mean, who everybody loves to have their president, picture taken with the president.
How you describe Chabad, and I know you're not saying it, you're repeating how Henry Makow describes it.
I'm going to guess he's never met a Chabad Rabbi or gone a Chabad House.
They're called Chabad House.
It's basically, if I were to go to Hong Kong today, I could go there and get a hot meal, and the rabbi would pressure me to say a prayer or something.
They are not what was just described.
They're just not.
And maybe Henry Macau knows other things, but I'm going to guess that he's never actually met a Chabad rabbi or gone to a Chabad house because what he's described, it's just not, it's just not how it is.
And on the other, when I was doing Alex's show, someone quoted Stu Peters and said, Goy means cattle.
No, like there's a hundred little things like that that I, that, you know, try catching these rumors and swatting them down.
And I'm not saying Jews are perfect and everything's a happy answer, but this little story about Chabad and the little story about what goi means, those are just got to be fresh.