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Dec. 12, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #89 - Off Brand Rwanda Plan

Al is unwell (reasons explained within), and so we delve back a couple of months to an Off Brand episode covering Rishi Sunak's Rwanda Plan, which is particularly relevant in regards to Syria this week. We also cover other news like Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Eric Adams. Our monthly livestream is this Sunday December 15th at 2pm CST/8pm GMT! Support us on Patreon! Buy a magnet handmade by Lauren B!

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	This is Propaganda Live.
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	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It's like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's a sort of like a poet.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream, I'd say it was just the key.
	Now, these are the kind of conversations, I think, that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win, win, win, win, win, win, win.
	This is On Brand, or rather it sort of isn't this week.
	Patrons are already aware, but I've been having some health issues lately, namely dealing with grand mal-seizures happening seemingly at random.
	Now, I've had epilepsy since I was 12 that has otherwise been controlled by medication, so this isn't entirely out of the blue, but why it's suddenly out of control now and what to do about it is still being investigated.
	Rest assured, I'm being looked after and I've got neurology appointments and whatever else scheduled.
	You know, good old NHS, right?
	Socialized medicine.
	Big win!
	Nonetheless, that's all really been taking it out of me quite a bit lately.
	And on top of that, obviously, it's Lauren's busiest time of the year, and they're even busier than usual, for good reasons, thankfully.
	But our combined scheduling has left us both very short on time in general.
	And then to really cap it off, earlier this week I had both my COVID booster and my flu shot at the same time, which queued up 48 hours of abject misery and feverishness.
	That said, get your shots everyone.
	I'm now feeling much better and the antibodies are doing their thing and I feel a fuckload safer going into this winter period, even if I did have to deal with the side effects for a few days, right?
	In any case, because of all that, there'll be no new on-brand episode this week, and we are instead putting out an off-brand from September 30th of this year, tackling a news roundup and discussing Rishi Sunak's then-defunct Rwanda plan and why it was so damned awful in detail.
	For anyone who doesn't know what I'm talking about, the former Prime Minister of the UK had just the terrific idea Where if anyone came into this country illegally, he was going to put them on a plane to Rwanda.
	Does it matter that they weren't from Rwanda?
	Not one bit.
	If it sounds barbaric and insane, it's because it is.
	And it's quite fun to get into the weeds on that, as well as taking a look at some of the news in general.
	This was just after Tim Pool and Dave Rubin and everything had been...
	You know, outed as being quote-unquote accidental Russian propagandists.
	So yeah, we'll get to that in just a second.
	But before we do, a reminder, I may be unwell and Lauren may be manically busy, but this Sunday, December 15th at 8pm GMT, 2pm CST, we have our final live stream of 2024, this year of our Lord Jesus Christo.
	The live stream will be on our YouTube channel, Everyone is welcome to come along and join.
	Absolutely all of you.
	And I dare say we are going to get a little ding-dang-dong festive, everybody!
	Patrons, there will be a post-up for you to ask us questions and suggest topics to chat about.
	Bonus points for holiday-themed nonsense.
	But I encourage all of you, everyone, to please come and hang out.
	It's always a wonderful time, and we absolutely love getting to chat with you all.
	It's one of the big highlights for me.
	Absolutely.
	Now, we will be back to our regularly scheduled content next week, but without further ado, please enjoy myself and Lauren getting into a news roundup and discussing the Rwanda Plan.
	Off-brand.
	We're off-brand.
	Off-brand.
	Off brand occasion.
	Hello patrons.
	Hello patrons.
	How are we today?
	Hi, hi, hi, hi.
	How's everybody feeling?
	I hope your week was good.
	Yeah.
	So let's see, today we're kind of doing like a news roundup.
	Basically Lauren's taking care of old, LB's doing old news today.
	Old news made new.
	Because, like, I don't know, I think it's so interesting how different our, like, both, like, news diets and cycles are.
	And America's been fucking popping.
	So I kind of want to speed through anything that y'all are very, like, okay, that was two weeks ago.
	Or a week ago or whatever.
	But I think speedrun just to keep on track of, like, where we are, the world we're living in.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I found some stuff that I think is really useful that, like, isn't getting as much airtime and definitely wouldn't be getting airtime in, like, a much more civilized part of the world.
	I know that sounds crazy that you live in.
	Like, I know it sounds nuts.
	It's fucking true.
	That's really gnar.
	But that, you know, that's life.
	That's what all the people say.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, so...
	Of all the things that have been happening in the world, what's been striking your fancy lately?
	What's been snagging your eye?
	Let's see.
	Well, I did mention to you I've been in kind of a little cave for the last week or so.
	And also, you know, I've been...
	I've been not that well the last several days.
	But yeah, I mean, immediately, Maggie Smith just died.
	That sucks.
	That's terrible.
	I don't know if you saw that.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	It's brutal.
	She was a good'un.
	I loved Maggie.
	Wow, we're recording how I feel about that.
	Sorry.
	About the Dowager Countess?
	I apologize.
	I apologize.
	She was up there, right?
	She was 89, I want to say.
	89, I think, yeah.
	Yeah, she's been going a good long while.
	But we are getting that point where it's going to be Judi Dench next.
	Ian McKellen's going to go soon.
	It's going to happen.
	You know what I mean?
	They're all getting on.
	Really?
	I know.
	She was great.
	She was great.
	Did you...
	Okay, well...
	What a legend.
	Also, like, the best Drag Race snatch game performance that's ever been.
	She was on Drag Race?
	No, she was.
	She might have sent a clip in, because she loves the dolls.
	But as far as I know, from what I've heard through fifth, sixth hand accounts, or at least she's...
	I think in the UK it'd be like she likes the campy, the camp of it all.
	I could see it.
	But yeah, I quote fake her that Ben De La Creme performed.
	No, so it wasn't her.
	Snatch Game is like they all do celebrity impersonations and then play the match game.
	And yeah, so it's like very retro.
	Oh, fun.
	I like it.
	It's the funniest because she's such a character.
	She is such a kid.
	It's just, there's so much material there.
	Anyway, and Ben de la Creme is a wildly talented person, so he just fucking masterclassed it.
	I have to find it.
	I have to find it.
	Yeah, what a legend.
	Yeah, I'm trying to think in my head what to watch to kind of best memorial, you know?
	Because she was so good in so many roles.
	I'm like, ah, that's tricky.
	That's tricky.
	But yeah, that's obviously caught my eye today, obviously.
	God love you, Maggie.
	You're a legend.
	And she took no shit as well.
	I always appreciated that.
	Well, now that we make me sad, I'm talking about scandal shit.
	Let's get back to news.
	I don't know what makes it over there.
	That's what I was asking about.
	Yeah, and obviously, like, I do pay more attention than the standard Brit to American news.
	So, like, what's been crossing my...
	Eric Adams and that whole thing that's been happening this last week.
	That's been interesting.
	It's wild to see chickens come home to roost for that man.
	I know!
	I know!
	You don't expect it.
	Some of my favorite content is talking about the insane shit he gets away with all the time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And no one's happy.
	People are mad.
	But it's just like, okay, this is a TV show I get to watch and check in on occasionally.
	Basically, you don't expect corrupt cops to be punished at any point, you know?
	And so when it happens, you're like, whoa, okay.
	But I did enjoy his statement that, well, you know, if any federal cases are brought against me, they're all based on lies.
	I bet.
	Okay, buddy.
	We're gonna hear that a lot today.
	Yeah, so let's see.
	I have a little summation, right?
	Because he's done a lot of others.
	The thing is, it's frustrating.
	I know it's frustrating to see the injustice skate by within the criminal justice system.
	I think that one of the things that I'm...
	I don't know.
	I feel like if you as an individual have gone through something and are not believed or are downplayed or whatever, because the other person involved, maybe the harm-er and you're the harm-ee.
	And the harm-er just kind of gets away with it because people don't take it seriously or everybody likes them or whatever.
	And then maybe whenever people finally start realizing that person is a turd, and then you're like, yeah, actually – Think about how people are like, yeah, well, why didn't you do something at the time?
	Why didn't you say something then?
	You know all the reasons why.
	You felt them.
	Or you did try, and no one listened.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Or you wrote a blog, and only the people in your apartment...
	You know, like, your apartment complex read your blog.
	Right?
	Whatever.
	Because it's a lot of different...
	I'm not talking about one specific thing.
	I'm talking about any kind of, like, you know, something that's just genuinely unfair.
	And people don't really take your experience seriously.
	Well, extrapolate that.
	Like, that is, like it or not, how the world works.
	And I think that if the right Jenga block finally gets pulled...
	You know, and I think that a lot of us, like, don't necessarily want to be in an activist position, especially people that have to, like, kind of, you know, the Eric and Aaron Brockovich of it all, like, the environmental kind of, like, protection or, you know, like, or especially if you've got to, like, suddenly you're the one that has to go to the school board and...
	Speak truth to power.
	People don't want to be in those activist roles.
	You find yourself there.
	Or if you have to advocate for your healthcare.
	Guess what?
	I never wanted to do.
	That was not an aspiration I fucking had.
	But you have to advocate for yourself.
	So extrapolate that.
	And I feel like kind of...
	All the finger-wagging and tutting.
	You're not wrong.
	We all know that.
	But once that brick gets pulled out of the Jenga and everything starts to tumble...
	You have a role to play, you know, personally, if that's your situation, and step up as you can.
	But at the same time, like, hey man, at least something's happening.
	So I don't have a lot of patience for, like, this, because, well, I mean, I see hypocrisy.
	I don't have a lot of patience for what was meaning about the hypocrisy, like, not...
	When it has been called out in some way, there just isn't necessarily time.
	I think acknowledging, yes, this could have happened sooner.
	Yes, this is already going on.
	Yes, some people weren't believed or things were taken seriously.
	Now they are.
	Let's deal with the present.
	And then learn your lessons.
	It's important not to dwell and to keep kind of charging forward.
	That, I mean, I think it's hard because dwelling, people can call telling your story, telling your truth, dwelling.
	Or living in the past kind of a thing.
	I think that it's...
	I feel like if there is...
	Wait, I'm sorry.
	What'd you say?
	I didn't hear that.
	As in, fuck those people who are like, oh, you're telling your story.
	That's dwelling.
	You're like, nah.
	Yeah, like, just move on kind of stuff.
	That's not necessarily what I mean.
	I mean, like...
	You know, like, that kind of, like, moral high horse that you may very well be on.
	You might be right, but your being right is not more important than the thing getting fucking dealt with.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And, like, and that's just a thing you get to know.
	That's just, like, a thing you get to know in your life, and it's cool.
	So, yeah, I was gonna read the synopsis real quick of what was actually, because, like, there's a lot of, like...
	Crime sorting we've had to do lately.
	So yeah, New York City Mayor Eric Adams, former cop, has been indicted following a federal corruption investigation, which those don't always produce results, unfortunately.
	Yeah, there was one for my alderman and nothing fucking happened and no one can tell me why.
	So yeah.
	While the exact charges remain sealed until his first court appearance disgraced, NYC Mayor Eric Adams has been indicted in a federal investigation, as reported by the New York Daily News, which is like, oh, well, anyway, no comment, stop, whatever, or just read the thing.
	An arrest would make Adams the first mayor in the modern era to face criminal charges while in office, and comes as his administration is reeling off the news of additional investigations and a series of high-profile resignations, which are banging, by the way.
	Adams has been under investigation into whether him and his campaign conspired with the Turkish government to receive illegal foreign donations as well as various other actions related to Adams giving preferential treatment to Turkish officials.
	Delightful.
	Good lord.
	Of all the things.
	Like, what a messy bestie.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't have much more to say about that, because it's all unfolding, too.
	Yes, exactly.
	We don't want to get too kind of, you know.
	Yeah.
	And we're going to do update stuff and kind of like...
	I'm mostly just talking to you, right?
	And a lot of these things are, I think...
	What we were talking about, I was like, no, hit record.
	We're not talking about this right now.
	We're going to record this conversation.
	There's a lot of things that have kind of fallen in line as far as things that Russell might be a little wary of.
	If they are getting play and in a negative light in America.
	Maybe this isn't such a safe haven, potentially, for his specific kind of legally actionable criminal repercussions.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The thing I said specifically was, I wonder if Russell ever went to any diddy parties.
	And, oh, before we move on to that, the other thing about another New York mayor is that Rudy Giuliani was disbarred the other day.
	That happened.
	Fucking finally.
	Hey!
	Fucking finally.
	New York Mayors are finally getting some consequences.
	Goddamn.
	Okay.
	I mean, that's the lightest tap on the head.
	Yes.
	Tell me about it.
	They had to keep him out of fucking courtroom somehow.
	He's the messiest queen.
	Jeez.
	So funny.
	Anyway.
	Yeah.
	So as far as Diddy goes, I think that I'm trying to do like up to the minute because there's a lot.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot, and also it's everywhere.
	You're not coming to me for ditty news.
	You know, like, that's obviously.
	Yeah, it is.
	But basically, where we're at right now, you know, like, he was arrested.
	He was, he's being charged with, like, every crime.
	It was like a checklist.
	It's like not even, like, it's basically organized crime.
	Like, it's, that's all the organized crime stuff.
	Yeah.
	Is what he was doing.
	I have a lot of feelings and commentary about like the type of person he is and always was and how detrimental it is to be that person publicly and be like a fucking role model as far as like how disposable that you think women are, women and children are.
	And that is like it's reprehensible.
	absolutely reprehensible and like anyway I've got a lot of thoughts and feelings about, I don't know, just how dangerous it is to live in a world like that that reinforces this type of patriarchal fucking bullshit and rewards it handsomely.
	And I think...
	It is a bit of a sea change socially.
	I hope that's what I'm seeing.
	Because I also have to hear from other sources that there's people defending him on Twitter or there's fans that are defending him.
	Because I'm like, I don't see any of that.
	But there's a lot of things that I don't see any of.
	But I also don't – just because I don't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
	So I'm like, well, I'm sure that's a thing.
	But I don't wade around in the quagmire of Twitter, you know, of X, the everything app website.
	I don't do that.
	And I don't think that – I think that we are learning so much, especially with like – more so with the Israel Casa thing.
	I think we are learning so much about how bots work.
	And now, especially that they're rampant on Twitter.
	I think, like, bots and also just kind of, like, misinfo how that works.
	I think that...
	Yeah.
	I thought we were like, oh, we're learning all this in, like, 2016. It's like, whoa, we know a whole fucking lot more, you know, now.
	Like, what, eight years later or something?
	Yeah.
	So, right.
	So, basically, I think the most recent updates are, oh, boy, the racketeering.
	That's not an easy charge to even bring.
	Yeah, right?
	Yeah.
	Oh, but that's what's happening.
	And so he was denied bail.
	And I think that's a very good idea because he's legitimately a flight risk.
	And witness intimidation is sort of...
	I think that's another thing that people forget that if you look somebody sideways...
	That's witness intimidation.
	Have you even just, like, acting them?
	Like, no, no, no.
	You don't get to do that.
	You just stop that right now.
	Listen to your lawyers, you know?
	So he's in MDC. He's in Metro Detention Center, Metropolitan Detention Center in Newark right now, living like a normal human being.
	Not even a normal human being.
	A very punished...
	Pretrial detention is such a problem in New York City, and he's there.
	So that is what it is.
	And they're complaining about the conditions, and I'm like, girl, you sang about how tough you were for decades.
	Yeah.
	I don't even know.
	When I knew you had a man who held an umbrella for you.
	Girl.
	Calm down.
	And he's been put on suicide watch as well, hasn't he?
	I saw that.
	So that's the thing about...
	I was trying to sort through these news...
	And just finding the things that are like a little bit like overblown and like blown up proportion and trying to just get to the get to the reality of it.
	And usually Suicide Watch is mandatory.
	So it's like a mandatory kind of like not necessarily always, but I think for special kind of cases like this, it's just especially the post Epstein world we live in is like, just do that.
	We're going to throw that in there.
	So there's a lot of kind of sensation around terms like that, but there's a lot of kind of mandatory stuff that gets sort of like, that just is.
	It's like it triggers a series of things.
	And so...
	I think we're going to...
	So they're trying to go for the speedy trial.
	And that's sort of what his lawyer has said publicly, very insistently saying, like, we're trying to, like, get this thing done because we know more people are going to come out.
	This is going to get worse, though.
	Right.
	The longer amount of time that people can get their own selves together, can get a lawyer, or get in contact with someone, or become organized into this thing, we're going to...
	And so, yeah, dude wants it to go quickly.
	But there are things that the prosecution can do to kind of get their affairs in order, because things are going to come out in discovery.
	I think the tricky thing now, these days...
	And I think that electronic evidence is a blessing and a curse because you have every Google search someone does or does on their behalf.
	And that also means you have every Google search someone has done.
	So, you do have very damning evidence because of all the surveillance we're under now, but at the same time, you have to sift through everything.
	Before cell phones were ubiquitous, trials took a long time.
	Now, in order to sift through all of that content, basically...
	It's such a time suck.
	It's so labor intensive.
	It just takes a while.
	Understanding that that's par for the course for any kind of high profile case is just something to think about.
	It takes a while for these things to get sorted out.
	Yeah.
	And I don't necessarily, like I said, I don't have anything that's like new cutting edge news.
	But I do think it's really interesting because we talked about it before in a previous off-brand.
	Yeah, when it was all kind of starting to come together and kick off.
	When it looked like it was just going to be like civil litigation or whatever.
	Because there's civil and there's criminal.
	I think that putting a lot of things under racketeering is...
	Yeah, that's just so complicated.
	It's so complicated.
	But also I have articles that do a really great job of breaking it down that I'll have included in the show notes.
	So if you are curious as to like more information about that.
	Boy, so many things happened.
	It was like last week.
	Oh my god.
	Okay, so that's Diddy, right?
	And that's kind of like update to be determined.
	But the fact that he's...
	The fact that basically what would be in one of his music videos and be fine turns out to be a crime...
	That, to me, is telling.
	And I think that that's the sea change I'm hoping is, like, kind of genuinely happening.
	And that would make me uncomfortable if I were Russell, I feel.
	You know, like, kind of finally we're recognizing what exploitation is.
	And what exploitation looks like and how it has been glamorized.
	And I think that that is a very good development, I think, in the world.
	Yeah, it's definitely going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
	And, you know, because with Russell's, you know, I mean, he was sometimes sleeping with, you know, 10-15 women a day or whatever, and producers would pick them out for him and all this other stuff.
	I'm like, yeah, I wonder if we're gonna revisit all that stuff.
	If we're looking back not that long ago, and it's trafficking and procurement, which is a crime...
	I mean, there's technicalities, you know, as far as like money exchanging, whatever.
	But, and if we start, you know, kind of breaking down those statutes of limitations, it can get ugly.
	It can get ugly real quick.
	Yes, indeed it can.
	I wouldn't feel comfortable if I was a little rusty buckets, you know?
	No, you know, and he was in a movie with Diddy, you know.
	Oh, a lot of people are in that movie, but yeah, you're not wrong.
	That's true, that's true, but, you know, in terms of shared interests, let's put it that way.
	Ranch.
	Yes.
	Yeah, let's see.
	So we got some more.
	So much shit has happened.
	Oh my god.
	I'm not getting to all of it.
	I'm not getting to all of it.
	Even on the list of this piece of paper.
	Chris Ruffo.
	This is like mild stuff.
	This is the thing people say first or whatever.
	Because there's also a correspondent.
	There's an activist who's like...
	Right-wing, anti-gay activist and somebody found his whole ass gay porn career, that was something.
	That's everywhere you can find it.
	Because that's also like, yeah, whatever.
	That happens a fair amount of nothing.
	But I do think that he's a hot potato and he'll get dropped by fucking Heritage Foundation, whoever's paying for him.
	You know, whatever, like fucking Coke money or some shit is at least going to drop him.
	So that's tight.
	I hope.
	The thing about the gay community, though, They wanted to ride for George Santos.
	And so, like, and because she's also hilarious.
	Like, that's just a fact.
	I'm sorry about the truth.
	George Santos is a character, but we also, we love the monorail guy in America.
	It's a tough kind of, like, it's a tough road to hoe.
	You know what I mean?
	And so, I mean, she did great on Cameo for herself.
	And you know what?
	I think it's the only money she's ever earned, honestly.
	So I'll take that.
	You know?
	She came by that money, honestly.
	She did the work.
	Yeah.
	She finally worked.
	That's what she needed to be.
	She needed to be a weather girl, you know?
	I hadn't thought about it that way before.
	But yeah, so same thing for Nigel Farage as well.
	I'm like, holy shit, you're actually, you're providing a service that people, yeah.
	Like, this has never happened to you before.
	That's what I'm saying.
	And it's public.
	Yes.
	Like, come into the light, Carol Ann.
	Yeah.
	The water's fine!
	Just do your thing!
	Feels good, doesn't it?
	You're a criminal, so you might not get a chat show, but you coulda!
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Right.
	So, Chris Ruffo is the guy that came up with DEI. Or no.
	Yeah, probably DEI was him, too.
	He was basically...
	He's been this operative that's been kind of like a conservative operative behind the scenes for decades.
	I've known about this guy for ages.
	I think that they even referenced it.
	Like, an old episode of Pentateller Bullshit.
	Like, because they found...
	Because if you do, like, point counterpoint for a subject...
	Sometimes the counterpoint to like sweatshop labor, which is what it was getting called in the 90s and the aughts.
	They had to have a pro guy.
	Right.
	And they did.
	And he got to say exactly what he needed to say.
	Wow.
	And it has stayed with me for the rest of my life.
	So that's the thing is like these guys will tell you who they are if you give them a minute.
	Yeah.
	But Chris Ruffo, I think, is like a singular talent in ruining the world.
	And I don't think this is going to have much kind of staying power, but they found his info and he was like...
	He was bird-dogging around on Ashley Madison.
	So he was in the Ashley Madison, like, and bird-dog.
	Right.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Which is, like, whatever.
	Like, on a scale, it's, like, whatever.
	But it's still fun.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Still fun and funny.
	Yeah.
	And the fact that it can make headlines and people can say that to him if he's ever being interviewed anywhere.
	Yeah.
	Yes, hypocrisy from a moral authority is always a fun thing, no matter what, you know.
	Yeah, and when it's specific.
	Like, if you're a civil rights activist, and you're caught embezzling, Those are two different categories.
	But if you're a family first Republican and you are actively undermining your family, regardless of how common it is, sorry.
	There also might be more there.
	I feel like that can be – we're talking about Jenga blocks here.
	That's how shit works.
	And so let's see.
	I feel like there has been coverage on the Timcast, Benny Johnson, oh god, who else?
	Dave Rubin.
	Dave, fucking, ooh, that's the name that I straight up Pavlovian salivated over.
	Because I crowed about where his money was coming from on Main.
	Hello, thank you, me.
	I'm patting myself on the back.
	Yes, me.
	Like, where are you getting all this fucking money?
	Rubles.
	That's where, god damn, that's been fun.
	That's been fun to watch, and to watch them be like, we didn't know!
	We had no idea!
	Like, okay honey, sure thing.
	Well, it's just like, even accepting all of that, like, taking what they are saying in good faith at face value, you have no business with Logicking in front of people.
	You have no business, like, you don't have, like, you've undermined your own authority by saying, oopsie, I don't know, I'm a baby.
	Why would anyone listen to you?
	Like, that's...
	Yeah, they still will.
	For sure.
	With, you know, with Alex Jones saying he was a performance artist, you know, however fucking many, you know, it's like it just doesn't matter, you know?
	You know, like all the reasons people should hate Vivek.
	I'm like, I wish there was consistency among you guys.
	Well, I mean, but you look at the motivation, right?
	I don't know.
	I feel like if you look at the motivations of everyone involved, then it's not very surprising.
	The thing that's fun is don't give the government a reason to keep tabs on your money.
	You can't poke your head up that far, you little caddyshack gopher, and do your little dance.
	We are in a time where that doesn't fly anymore in a way that like, or at least I'm hopeful.
	Because that's the issue, right?
	It's the support and it's the kind of undermining.
	To pretend that America isn't doing the exact fucking same thing that Russia is doing is farcical.
	That's absurd.
	And that's an argument that any country in the world can and does make on the regular.
	It's like, well, fucking America, what are you doing?
	I'm like...
	Yeah, you don't really have a way to stand on.
	So I'm not even necessarily coming for that kind of...
	I think that demonizing the Ruskies is stupid and a fool's errand like anyone else.
	I think it clouds your judgment if you just assume everything they do and say is wrong.
	It's a gigantic fucking country and that's not fair.
	Same thing with America, right?
	I think that...
	To me, Russia and America are two girls who wore the same dress to a party.
	And they're so mad for the last possible reason.
	You should all be upset that that dress was made by workers who are starving who didn't get paid in Bangladesh.
	Not that you wore the same one.
	That's what we should all be upset about.
	That's how I feel.
	And also, like, you know, we're talking about specifically the Russian government and the U.S. government, you know?
	You go back a few hundred years and we're talking about two royal families fighting and that's basically what we've got, you know?
	The oligarchs, right?
	Yeah, slightly different makeup, but that's pretty much it.
	Yeah, and the main job for all this stuff is money laundering, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The money's going somewhere and someone's getting paid and it may not be obvious and we need to look into it.
	That's kind of part of it.
	That's the real issue on a global scale.
	If buckets and buckets of money are getting sloshed around, these are the results.
	And we need to understand that deregulation has gotten us here.
	So they have put themselves in a position where now...
	They will be under, like, being under scrutiny fucks with your bag.
	That's what Russell is, like, Russell is having money, like, having, not money, issues.
	I think it's the, like, maintaining his level of, of, that he's used, become accustomed to.
	The lifestyle to which he's accustomed.
	I think he might be shitting bricks a little bit, like we were talking about on Maine, right?
	For that.
	Yeah.
	It can sound like a lot of money to regular people, but for him, he's like, I have this, like, Mini Empire I need to run.
	And I don't want, I don't even want it to go down.
	Like, I don't, I want the money to keep pumping in.
	And adjusting to a lower, I mean, Alex is obviously suffering.
	Adjusting to kind of like a lower dependable income stream is much more of a challenge for these people than I think.
	You and I would have, for example.
	Yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	So it's very entertaining to see that come to roost.
	Yeah, like spending creep.
	It's a real thing, you know?
	Oh, yeah.
	The more money you have, the more money you spend, you know?
	Right.
	Right.
	Get used to that.
	Hmm.
	Well, when I was talking about, like, everyone thinks they're poor, because everyone pays for stuff every month, and if you decide to pay for more things every month, or if you are bad with your money, but you just have a lot of it, so you think that you're poor all the time, when really you just are fucking awful with your money, and you are paying for too many things, and you're not good at managing it, that doesn't mean you're poor.
	It does seem to happen a lot, that one.
	Yeah, poor is different.
	Yes, it is.
	I'm sorry, are you standing in the house you own?
	No.
	Yeah.
	You're doing fine.
	It can be hard.
	It's just a different kind of hard.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	The bottom looks different for everybody, right?
	For sure.
	That's really fun.
	It's just really fun.
	Things are coming out.
	But also that story is kind of like, whenever we first started talking about it, it was kind of percolating.
	Now that story is kind of everywhere.
	It's just something I'm like, maybe this is even just an old news I'm keeping an eye on, right?
	Or is fun to mention.
	Or is, I would say keeping an eye on.
	Matt Gaetz is another very fun one.
	This is one I would worry about if I were Russell specifically, because I think that there's a lot of activities that rich, powerful, mostly men, or just an agent of the patriarchy, regardless of your gender.
	The thing is, patriarchy accepts everybody if you're going to be on the patriarchy side and be an agent.
	I can't remember the full details of the story.
	It was something with a teenage girl, right?
	Is that the situation?
	Well, we'll get There.
	So...
	Okay.
	We'll do a little sum up because it's...
	And I do have something that, like, as far as clarification to add.
	Because I think that there's a lot of salacious details that are very uncomfortable.
	What they keep saying is...
	Okay.
	Nope.
	That thought is for 25 seconds from now.
	So basically what is happening is Matt Gaetz...
	Or what had happened is that this guy...
	I believe Joel Greenberg.
	Let me...
	Yes.
	Joel Greenberg...
	I was an associate.
	Whenever all this stuff came out before, with the Venmo payments to the 17-year-old and paying for travel, all that kind of stuff, that came out and then Joel Greenberg went down for it.
	Joel Greenberg, let's see, I've got a little summary from CNN.
	Convicted fraudster Joel Greenberg, who cooperated extensively with the Justice Department's sex trafficking probe into GOP rep Matt Gaetz, was sentenced Thursday to 11 years in prison by a federal judge in Florida.
	Greenberg, a former Seminole County tax collector of Florida, right, I just said Florida, Lauren, okay, previously pleaded guilty to underage sex trafficking wire fraud, stalking identity theft, producing a fake ID card and conspiring to defraud the US government.
	He has been in jail since early 2021 and will get some credit for time served.
	Quote, I have never seen a defendant who has committed so many different types of crimes in such a relatively short period, end quote, said District Judge Gregory Prisnell, who has been on the federal bench for decades and has sentenced more than 1000 defendants.
	It's not the kind of compliment you want to be getting.
	Shoot for the moon, you'll land in the stars, Joel.
	Incredible.
	Incredible, right?
	And so a lot of...
	A lot of what Joel Greenberg went down for is going to...
	They were all homies.
	This was a crew of dudes.
	Yes, you're all implicated.
	You are all associates.
	And somehow...
	Matt Gaetz kind of sped past it because he's just doing the Alex Jones, which we have to understand.
	And the guys did a great job pointing it out when all this was happening on Knowledge Fight.
	This is the playbook now that they just avoid it.
	They just say no and they just put blinders on because that's what worked and then everybody accepted it before.
	Yeah.
	The internet has happened.
	Yeah.
	So we need to be very annoying to them to make this not a viable option as far as...
	because like I think there was a long time where you had these small communities everybody knew everybody and so like ignoring ignoring ignoring like it only worked if you had a structure in place that could reinforce the ignoring it and a lot of people still had to benefit from your presence in the community to be able to defend in some way and these guys are they have nothing to offer the world they are not they're they're they're bloodsuckers they're vultures
	they're not making anything.
	So, if you were the guy that made the tires, everybody wants your tires, so they'll let some things slide, which is wrong.
	But if you can keep that news very far away, you can keep it distant, make it, you know, like, and hide as much as you possibly can.
	There was a time for that, and that time has passed.
	Now, what I found out is...
	So, okay, right.
	So, basically, the accusations...
	Allegedly.
	We're talking about one instance that the court is pinning down.
	Under no circumstances, in no world, is this the only time this happened.
	Absolutely not.
	This is obviously a pattern of behavior, but they're zeroing in on a specific event that they can work with in the legal system.
	Basically, there were parties that were organized.
	Also, Matt Gaetz is too big of a deal in the GOP to organize his own party.
	He's not going to do that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And they say party, gathering, whatever.
	I think calling it a party is like saying like kiddie porn.
	It's CSA, it's child sex abuse material, okay?
	It was an event that was attended by men and propagated by By either young women or children.
	And I saw a reel recently.
	It's really, really good.
	And the wording is a little crazy because I don't think people say it this way, but like, there is no such thing as an underage woman, which I don't see people say that.
	They say underage girl, but like, there's no such thing as an underage woman.
	That's a child.
	That's a child.
	Yeah.
	I do still think that that point needs to be made.
	It's like, that's not an underage, that's a girl.
	It's a girl.
	Yeah.
	It's a kid.
	And basically where she was, she drove, because also all the articles say she arrived in her mother's car, and it makes it sound like her mom dropped her off or something.
	And then I finally read into it, it's like, no, she probably just borrowed the car because that's what you do when you're 17, right?
	Arriving in your mom's car is a weird way to put it.
	like this kid doesn't have their own car they drove themselves borrowing the car for my you know like it's what it's a very normal thing um yeah but basically there are witnesses and victims that both have deposition accounts where there were um
	Also, like, the list of drugs is, like, it's whatever unless you're the guy who's railing against, you know, like, who's, like, railing against anything in public, right?
	So, like, it's hard to, like, kind of...
	It was, like, what?
	Like, Pat...
	Pot, mushrooms, ecstasy, acid maybe, I don't know.
	Oh, and something, cocaine.
	Oh, for sure cocaine.
	For sure coke.
	Sorry.
	Also, whatever.
	That was one of the most Midwestern ways I've ever heard someone say pot before.
	Pot!
	P-A-H-T. Love it.
	Yeah, let's have fun.
	Right, so that kind of like...
	I mean, it's drugs that would be at a party, except you're a bunch of fucking adult men with power, and there's children.
	And they don't necessarily need to be quote-unquote specific date rape drugs.
	It can just be alcohol, and you can be really fucked up.
	That's enough.
	Absolutely.
	Right?
	Absolutely.
	Right.
	And there were witnesses that were like, this 17-year-old was naked in a party.
	Right.
	Where other people were not necessarily...
	Like, it was...
	This individual was naked and obviously very out of it and drugged.
	Hmm.
	Huh!
	Fucking gross?
	What?
	Yikes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Fucking yikes.
	So...
	And that's kind of scenario.
	Basically, like, someone had tracked down...
	Or I think it was just through, like...
	Through, like, the process of, like, discovery within the case.
	They had found...
	Matt Gaetz's location data.
	It was 2017, so it's a little different than now.
	It's not nearly as pinpoint, I think.
	But it's not just cell tower confusion either.
	But then he was texting back and forth with this guy, Chris Dilworth, who was putting the whole thing together, who was a lobbyist in Florida.
	I tried to find what he was a lobbyist for in his deal.
	I'm sure it's easy to find.
	I just didn't get to it because we have a lot of stuff to talk about.
	Basically...
	This Chris Dowerth guy was talking to Matt Gaetz all day and was, you know, like, called a couple of times to, like, figure all this stuff out.
	There are requests that are being made for girls and for young women, you know, like, kind of all this, like...
	I don't know, it just all grosses me out.
	It's very gross.
	It should, yep.
	Yeah, the planning is like, blech.
	It seems very deliberate and it's very coordinated and seems very normal.
	Yeah, that's the worst part, isn't it?
	And I mean, yeah, listeners, if you're familiar with the LISC, the Long Island serial killer case, a lot of cops get into a lot of A lot of cops get entangled in these same kind of, like, orgi-istic, like, parties with, like, vulnerable women.
	And it's just really, like, it's something that is way the fuck too normal.
	Like, it's not okay.
	And, like, to the point where it is a pernicious and pervasive problem in this country we just do not talk about.
	And there's evidence everywhere.
	And we just act like these things are one little problem that crops up.
	When like it's really hard to prove, you know, these are the kind of things that also are like it's he said, she said.
	It's very hard to prove in a court of law.
	So it makes sense that they are this one instance.
	Do not let anyone tell you for a second that that is this one time and it's when he did it.
	No.
	No.
	No, no.
	He's also a Nepo baby.
	He's been in and around politics and in higher echelons of local and state power in Florida's entire life.
	This is what happens.
	It's because they're boring and they can't think of anything cooler to do.
	And that becomes pathological.
	They're boring and they're mean and they want power.
	So you put all these things together and you're just destroying girls.
	Yeah.
	By the boatload.
	Yeah.
	That makes a society where every single woman appearing person is a piece of garbage to be thrown away.
	It's when people like P. Diddy get to be in charge of the fucking culture, and then I have to live in this culture that...
	It's why I've become incredibly disillusioned with any kind of insistence on...
	And this is just my experience, but any kind of pronoun, whatever.
	Because none of that...
	Keeps me safe, makes me safer, changes how I get treated in the world.
	And frankly, I don't feel more seen.
	You know what makes me feel more seen?
	If you say, the boys, and I'm included.
	That makes me feel more seen.
	That's the only one I can think of, and I'm here for that.
	So, I don't know, pin in that.
	We're talking about the boys.
	And you include LB? Tight.
	That's cool.
	Other than that, nothing makes me feel better or safer or like I live in a better world because it does not change how I get treated.
	And this is why.
	This is why.
	If I see our society caring about making women less disposable and anyone who looks like a woman in public less disposable...
	Then maybe I'll fucking care.
	And I'm glad that it makes other people feel good and that's cool, but that's not my experience to an extreme degree.
	Because I still get groped in public and no one cares.
	I still get followed.
	Crazy shit happens.
	this was not a long time ago like a couple weeks ago like i don't get to walk around and not have my fur up and be guarded and make sure that i'm not walking too close to people and that i'm like all that like that's this is not an old thing this is a current thing this is it always happens and i'm fucking 40 let me be old for christ's sake everyone i I think everyone individually feels different, you know, about pronouns, etc.
	Totally.
	And also, like, it's, you know, it's the same thing with me.
	It's like, you don't owe the world androgyny.
	You know, you shouldn't have to change the way you present in order to be kind of...
	In order to not have to go through all that shit.
	Yeah, there's...
	That's a whole other episode that we can do on that.
	It's a whole other episode.
	It's also a different issue because your safety is not, like, you are not the target of, like, you are not disposable by dint of how you present in the world.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I am.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And people wonder why I'm fucking mean.
	Fucking, okay.
	I have a list.
	How much time do you have?
	Right.
	So, that's the gates of it all.
	But how we know these things, this is the fun part that I did not know about.
	Maybe I'm the last to come to the party.
	I don't know.
	Because apparently...
	And this is like politicking, I barely understand.
	But the House Speaker kerfuffle, like the 15 votes.
	If I say like 15 votes for House Speaker, you know what I'm talking about?
	Like the news got that part.
	Kevin McCarthy and then Mike Johnson, like all this kind of stuff is going on in the Senate where Matt Gaetz is.
	And Matt Gaetz is the one that basically filed the motion to get Kevin McCarthy ousted.
	And the cover story was that he basically...
	Kevin McCarthy cooperated with the Democrats to not shut down the government to get a spending bill through.
	But...
	There was always in these news and this news coverage would be like a passing because also if someone reports it, it could be slander or libel, whatever, is that there was like a passing like there was a personal matter that Kevin McCarthy would cite but would not expand upon.
	And maybe he doesn't know all this stuff.
	And if all of it's alleged, if you say something publicly, you are on the hook for that.
	And it's very dire.
	Like that's it's a big fucking deal.
	And so he was like, yeah, it's because of this.
	And it's a personal matter, kind of leaving it at that as far as why Matt Gaetz was going after him so hard.
	Because it doesn't make sense if you look at it.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	And so Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	Oh, my gosh.
	Was it him or was it my job?
	Oh, my God.
	Anyway, so Kevin McCarthy talked about this on a Sunday show where Marjorie Taylor Greene also filed a similar removal motion.
	But that was over policy.
	And he's like, usually, you know, like that happens in the Senate.
	And I mean, it's not the best way, but it happens in the Senate and I can talk to somebody and we can iron out about policy.
	He was saying, to use as a contrast, Matt Gaetz has this personal issue.
	You can't even say vendetta, really, but that's what it was.
	Allegedly.
	Allegedly.
	And so now...
	Basically, all of these court records for Joel Greenberg were sealed, so we only had notions and whispers that were not supported by any kind of court filing.
	There wasn't enough concrete information to really...
	get after Matt Gaetz.
	And also there was like a DOJ investigation that interrupted the House Ethics Committee's investigation.
	And there was obstruction from the DOJ for the House Ethics Committee.
	And now the House Ethics Committee, currently the situation we are in is they are now pursuing this line of question, like this specific event and subject matter.
	They are kind of going down that, trying to go down that road.
	And Matt Gaetz is not cooperating and obstructing and throwing a fucking hissy fit like a baby and saying it's too personal.
	And I don't – you know, very like, do you know who I am?
	How dare you ask these questions about me?
	Right.
	He's not the only one that throws those kind of fucking tantrums like a baby because he can.
	This Chris Doerth guy – Oh, I love it.
	Okay, so picture this.
	Sicily, 1928. Anyway, no.
	Picture...
	So Chris Dowerth is this guy.
	His name was brought into the Joel Greenberg lawsuits and into these kind of like legal discussions because he was organizing...
	Because he's part of the fucking crew, you know?
	Like, he's part of those boys, which are bad boys.
	I don't want to be in those boys.
	That's not the boys I would like to be included in.
	But like that kind of...
	Those men, we know.
	We all know.
	And he basically did, since his name was coming up...
	He was like, I'll sue every last one of you!
	Do you know who I am?
	I'm like, I'll see you in court!
	To everyone, including his own lawyers.
	So his effort, it's the Streisand effect, his effort to sue everyone and get them to shut up, which guess what?
	It works.
	It's what Russell does.
	It is exactly what Russell does.
	And the thing is, he would not do this.
	It would not occur to him to do this if it didn't work all the time.
	If you follow the Murdoch murders, same shit.
	It's a whole thing.
	Anyway, so it is very, very common for someone who is locally very powerful to squash...
	Like, to squash whatever potential scandal with, like, legal intimidation, right?
	Yeah.
	You're juiced and you're connected.
	There's no reason that that doesn't work for a lot of, like, other than, I don't know, moral awfulness and a bad world to live in.
	But, like, they have the power they're going to do it, and that's what he tried to do.
	So that means that he started a bunch of lawsuits and new litigation that opened up all of these sealed depositions and people were like redeposed. - Oh no.
	How we know about this.
	Because then he finally is like, all this discovery is happening.
	And he's like, oh, no, never mind.
	And so he drops the lawsuit against his lawyers.
	But his lawyers are like, you owe us $35,000 for the work that we did defending ourselves against you.
	So it's a lawyer suing for damage, like, suing for, like, suing for non-payment, basically.
	Or, like, no, no, it's not non-payment.
	It would be, like, suing for their legal fees that they incurred because of his malicious, intimidatory lawsuit that Yeah.
	Yeah.
	civil thing and I want my money do you think that that guy has 35 grand yes absolutely I Absolutely.
	And yet.
	We have all these transcripts.
	We have all the depositions now because the judge is like, there's no reason these things are sealed.
	And all of them are like, it was private.
	It was personal.
	How dare you put my personal information like, baby, it's a trial.
	It's a trial.
	Yeah, I'm afraid there's a series of rakes and you've stepped on all of them.
	Yeah!
	Wow!
	It's very, like, if you live a life that's for me, not for thee, you think that's how the world works.
	I'm really, oh, that's wonderful.
	Oh, and just before I forget, as you brought her up, an aside on Marjorie Taylor Greene is that she was supposed to have her event with Tucker last night and they had to cancel it because of bad weather.
	So Marjorie didn't get her night with Tucker.
	It was in Georgia.
	Georgia?
	No.
	Oh, yeah.
	There's a hurricane popping around.
	Yeah, right.
	There was some shit going down.
	Also, if you're there, guys.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Stay safe.
	I'm worried.
	And there's nothing I can do until it all happens and it works out and then we do whatever.
	Anyway, right.
	But yeah, so that's...
	Yeah, it's one of the most helpless things is to watch just natural disasters like, oh, my friends live there.
	Well...
	I'll call everybody.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's nature.
	It's the whole earth.
	What are you going to do?
	Other than just worry, which I'll do some of that.
	That's fine.
	But yeah, so that, well, okay, fine.
	Good.
	God's telling you not to do it.
	How about that, Marjorie Taylor Greene?
	God voted.
	Voted no.
	It's God's vote.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	But yeah, so that's kind of what's going on with Matt Gaetz.
	And Matt Gaetz is stomping his feet and saying, this is too personal.
	These are private matters.
	They're private matters until their crimes, baby.
	I'm looking forward to seeing that all unfold.
	I know.
	That's going to be good.
	I hope.
	I hope.
	He's a slippery fucking fish and he's gotten away with it before.
	And has gotten away with it for a long time.
	So let's see.
	There's that.
	I, oh yeah, and there's a guy, there's a black man who's running for office in North Carolina, and this has been everywhere.
	He's like basically, you know, he was like on forums saying horrible things and calling himself a black Nazi and stuff for like years.
	And I'm waiting, I was reading up on stuff and I'm waiting to see how it's going to shake out as far as like, because the reporting is like how it's going to affect Trump's run in North Carolina, because it's a state that like, you know, everybody's talking about electoral votes for this guy's very, like, gnarly fucking scandal to kind of come out.
	I don't think I've heard about this, actually.
	Oh, crap, it was the one I was hoping.
	Because I was like, I couldn't find a good summary.
	Because news keeps updating.
	But yeah, there's a dude's wilding out out there in fucking North Carolina.
	It's something.
	I mean, it's unsurprising in its own way.
	Nazis in America?
	Yeah.
	Well, calling yourself a black Nazi and then thinking that no one's going to find...
	These dudes just don't understand the internet is forever.
	Yeah, they really don't.
	You can't do that.
	And he was like using his own email and his like real name to like sign into these forums.
	Again, those are like if you don't know, like if you can't lie that good and if you can't cover your tracks, you're not smart enough to hold office.
	I'm sorry.
	You aren't.
	Because this is just a job interview at the end of the day, and you don't pass muster.
	I'm sorry.
	That's just not...
	It's not the job for you.
	I'm not telling...
	I mean, you're a terrible human being, but just don't be in public life.
	That's just not for you.
	But you're also incompetent.
	Wildly.
	Consult somewhere.
	That's a legal thief.
	So you can legally thieve and you can legally bribe.
	Go be a lobbyist.
	Okay?
	Fine.
	And right.
	So that's...
	There's like so much.
	Anyway.
	Right.
	So...
	That's kind of our roundup as far as insane shit that has come up in news.
	And we can go kind of one of two ways.
	And as far as if we're going old, old news, the Rwanda plan.
	We talked about the Rwanda plan.
	I want to bring this up because it struck me, not funny, batshit insane.
	As soon as you told me about it, I was like, there's no way this is on the up and up.
	And so I dug around and I found some trusted sources and got to the motherfucking bottom of what was actually happening because I'm like, why Rwanda?
	What are we doing?
	What the fuck is...
	What?
	What?
	Yeah, that seems like a strange choice.
	Incredibly strange choice.
	It seemed very random.
	Random and weird.
	It's a bad plan, but y'all just replace it with a new bad plan.
	That's not going to stop the government.
	At all.
	Like, it was...
	The new bad plan is reinforced border security and spending, what, 700 million on...
	Like, an incredible amount of money on, like, high-tech technology.
	So, basically what, like, the border security plan now is to...
	Slightly American style, just like throw all the resources.
	Hire money and law enforcement.
	Hire all the rapists and murderers that you can potential that you can find and put them in a place where they can ply their trade happily.
	Like little, yeah, just like little petty tyrants.
	Because that's the border here.
	So bad move.
	I wouldn't do that.
	Yeah, no, I'm not thrilled.
	Not thrilled.
	And there's like a safe passage kind of plan that is kind of going through, but like, is...
	It's just not nearly enough.
	And if you're trying to...
	Like, there are gangs there.
	Like, smash the gangs.
	The gangs being the thing.
	The traffickers there.
	There are coyotes here.
	Kind of the same...
	Yeah, the smash the gangs of it all.
	We're going to smash the gangs, is what we're going to do.
	They said it so many times.
	And it just felt like I was being trolled.
	Because, like...
	Those gangs are also, I don't know, demonizing any step of that process is for political gain, because that's all it is.
	This is pageantry.
	Because there's no immigration crisis.
	There's immigrant-making crisis, which we'll get to in the world, with nightmarish cruelty, but there is no fucking immigration crisis.
	Here's what I got to say about our stupid-ass border policy.
	Recently, news has been coming out from all the farming growers in Florida saying that Ron DeSantis' new policies – or not new, but expanded, more strict, completely anti-migrant policies – Right,
	yeah, yeah.
	There's, you know, like avocados, tomatoes, like it is an ideal place to grow a lot of our food in our country.
	And farmers are saying like, we don't have workers and we are not going to have workers.
	They're like, basically the thing that he was talking about that I was listening to this one interview is like, in three to five years, if nothing changes, we will not, there will be no farming in Florida.
	There will be no, like everything will be imported.
	So...
	Ronnie done fucked up.
	Big time.
	That is so massive.
	Good lord.
	It's so massive.
	And, like, I'm not...
	I think that workers should be, like...
	Because...
	Paid a living wage.
	Because that's the other thing.
	And, you know, like, I was reading, like, real reporting from people that give a shit about this Rwanda plan.
	And also just, like, kind of what is, like, the state of...
	There's also a lot of comedians that were making fun of the Rwanda Plan.
	Oh, yeah, because it's ridiculous.
	And I watched a bunch of those.
	Yeah, Joe Lysett had it in his teeth for a whole week.
	It was really fun.
	And I was having a really fun time singing Rwanda Plan in my home by myself.
	But yeah, so as far as the border...
	The border issues, quote unquote, that like, you know, as far as like what the labor government is doing is like any amount of kind of like appeasing that Tory kind of bent or that like Republican, conservative, whatever.
	It's all the same.
	Mean person, like mean, angry person with a vendetta against like, yeah, world.
	That person is like the amount of problems that will ensue from a non-problem.
	It's not a problem.
	Yeah.
	It's not a problem.
	And pretending that you're protecting people when you are criminalizing everything is...
	You're playing pretend.
	And basically all this high-tech surveillance that was invested in is just like...
	Dude, human traffickers are very adaptable.
	And that's what they do.
	But it's like a more dangerous kind of...
	Yeah, they just have to go further away and further out.
	And people have to swim to the boats.
	And more bodies are fucking washing up on shore.
	Yeah.
	You're spending an absolute fortune to create problems, is what you're doing.
	You know, that's what's happening.
	Yeah.
	God damn it.
	Just stop that.
	Like, it's so frustrating.
	Oh my god, it makes me so mad.
	Oh my god, it makes me so mad.
	The creation of, like, a new border force, which is what's happening.
	Yes!
	Yes!
	That's not something you can undo easily.
	The Rwanda plan, you can undo that pretty fucking quickly.
	And that kind of ridiculous, nonsensical idea.
	We'll get to it.
	Yeah.
	But what Keir Starmer is putting in, that's going to last for a while.
	And I'm like, oh no, this is worse.
	You are making this worse.
	You are putting us in a position where actually it was better under the fucking Tories.
	What are you doing?
	What are you doing?
	Yeah.
	It's like he looked at the US and saw Border Patrol and Homeland Security and was like, hold my beer.
	Like, truly.
	Yeah.
	Like, I'm going to do this other thing.
	And Yvette Brown?
	I don't remember.
	Anyway, yeah.
	Whatever borders are.
	Yvette Cooper, thank you.
	Yeah.
	Where'd Brown come from?
	But yeah, it's like, it's so fucking insane to have a worker shortage, quote-unquote, quote-unquote, and a migrant crisis, quote-unquote, quote-unquote.
	Baby, it's all labor.
	These are labor issues.
	It's because companies and governments don't want to pay a fair wage and do not want to take care of their citizens.
	So they find disposable human beings, be they female, presenting, or brown, or black, or whatever.
	Don't speak English good.
	Which...
	Okay.
	How many languages do you know, Sam?
	Really?
	Uncle Sam?
	It's crazy.
	the labor government's current existence.
	And I know they've only just gotten going, but so far what we've had is like, fuck all in terms of taxing the rich, and then making sure that the elderly can't afford their heating bills.
	We've had that happen.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it's been a problem here for years.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, Labour have just done that.
	They have fucked a bunch of the elderly and then not done anything.
	And I'm like, hang on.
	You are supposed...
	The whole thing, like, the whole thing of you guys coming in was you were going to, you know, tax some of the rich and make sure that the vulnerable are safe and all this, and you are doing the opposite immediately.
	Yes.
	Goddamn.
	Okay, cool.
	Yeah.
	And also just like heaving money into a furnace.
	Like just because like who's getting paid for all this high tech shit?
	It's like it's fucking defense contractors.
	It's Peter Thiel and it's Israeli defense.
	Like that's like the only sector that's making any money in Israel right now.
	The rest of the country is collapsing as well.
	It should because apartheid is wrong and it's not a democracy.
	OK, you know how I feel.
	You know, you know the situation.
	We all know the fucking situation.
	Let it burn.
	It's one of the only like one of the only like sectors that is keeping that anything afloat in that country is defense spending.
	And it's defense kind of like technology, which is racist.
	Doesn't work.
	It's such a broken system.
	Like, really and truly.
	And I just don't...
	Why are you guys doing what we should...
	It's so stupid.
	I just...
	It's so crazy.
	I wish I had to not say...
	So when you said Rwanda, like when we started talking about the Rwanda plan, I'm like, that's money laundering.
	How is that not money laundering?
	That's crazy.
	And no one was saying that that I could find, right?
	I don't know if you looked around or looked at any of the reporting.
	Was money laundering ever a thing?
	Like...
	I couldn't find anyone mentioning that.
	No, it didn't seem to come up in any of the research that I did.
	Well, thanks to old Jake Hanrahan at Popular Front, who's doing amazing work, and my partner has the biggest crush on him.
	If we ever meet in person and that happens, I'm okay with it.
	Like, if you need to leave me for him, that's, you know what, I understand.
	Hanrahan, have at it.
	It's one of those.
	He's great.
	He's doing great.
	I love it.
	I'm here for it.
	So, Trusted voice.
	And, like, basically, on his podcast whenever he has kind of conversations, like, if something doesn't fit into, like, he's, you know, he's done, like, war reporting and, like, conflict journalism, that's been his career, and he's extremely well, like, versed and connected.
	So...
	I like and I feel the same way, but I don't have the same expertise kind of like spheres.
	When I think something's like if something's rotten in the state of Denmark, I'm like, I don't know, which is what I felt about the Rwanda plan.
	And when it is one of those things like it's obviously fucked up.
	I don't know how it's fucked up.
	No one's talking about it, but I know it's fucked up.
	Yeah, just on its face.
	You're like, nope, that's not right.
	And the interviews that he has, right?
	When he does an interview, he has these questions because he already knows a lot.
	He knows how conflict works.
	He knows how military versus civilian works.
	He has these spheres of understanding and experience where he can be like...
	Ask really interesting questions that I would want to answer.
	You know, like, I want to know why the fuck this isn't happening or why that's happening.
	Like, he knows where to, like, suss out the connections.
	And so, but also this interview was, that I listened to, and also the reporting I read is, like, very UK-centered.
	So we're just gonna, I'll throw it, it's like, US isn't getting shine this time.
	But they're also implicated, just not specifically in this particular little synopsis I found.
	I did see a thing the other day which I imagine has probably crossed your radar as well.
	Who was it?
	Germany?
	There's another country that is also planning on picking up the same Rwanda plan of sending migrants to Rwanda.
	There was another EU country.
	I think it might have been Germany.
	It was somewhere central Europe.
	I'm like, hmm.
	Hmm.
	That's weird.
	Any Western country that is trying to quote-unquote go green...
	We'll be doing this.
	And I will tell you why in a minute.
	And also, there's kind of twofold as to why I would want to bring...
	Well, not three.
	Because we talked about it before, and I was like, what the fuck is this?
	And I found out what the fuck it is, and I'm excited.
	Two, and I genuinely like...
	And it's not getting talked about.
	Two, this is the kind of reporting if Russell wants to be an independent journalist, this is what he would be talking about.
	Yeah.
	There's plenty of meat on this bone, and it's very interesting, and it's very exciting to learn about.
	It's also depresso, but he's already trying to scare people, so fucking scare them with real things.
	Listen, plenty of real fear-mongering can happen, and you know what?
	It doesn't pay your bills because being informed is empowering, and that's not what he's interested in.
	I think that this is instructive in and of itself.
	I forgot the third reason.
	Anyway, it's all...
	Well, I guess he speaks with authority about world events.
	And he could.
	It's not that hard, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	So, it's just, it's amazing.
	So let's see.
	So there's reporting.
	I want to make sure to look up their names.
	Lindsay Kennedy and Nathan Paul Southern reported for the Byline Times, but they're independent journalists basically.
	So like they have several outlets that they work for.
	And yes, the Moscow Times publishes some of their reporting and that for a freelance independent journalist, it's completely different than being on the payroll for RT. Yeah.
	Which even that is like, you still gotta show me where the implication, like just saying RT, that feels like a boogeyman thing to me.
	Tell me what is happening.
	Tell me what is happening, I wanna know.
	It doesn't guarantee wrongdoing just because it comes from that, you know.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	And maybe they're getting paid their money.
	You know, like, the amount of money that maybe they're getting paid or they get flushed.
	Like, we talked about this, and I wanted to bring it up just because it's funny to me.
	And we don't have answers, and we never will.
	It reminded me, because Thomas said something about, like, Russia.
	He's like, where does the money come from?
	And he said Russia.
	I thought about it recently.
	Like, you mentioned to me that, like, we get the most kind of, like, crazy comment Action in the comment sections on people, like George, last name, help me.
	George Galloway.
	George Galloway.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's getting Gershwin.
	My brain loathes and despises me.
	Gershwin.
	My brain thinks I'm a sucker and a punk and just wants to turn me upside down and save my lunch money.
	That's so cruel.
	Anyway, I know that.
	It just doesn't show up when I need it.
	That's so stupid.
	Four of you are like, yes, I know!
	Yeah.
	God damn it.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, the comments section for George Galloway.
	Yeah, and so like, and it's never about the content.
	It's just, well, I know that this was negative towards George Galloway, so I'm going to go off.
	And I mean, it's like, you know, you can complain about content in a specific way and thoughtfully or like a horoscope, you know?
	Like you can just say whatever and it might apply and how are you going to prove different, blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Bot shit, dog.
	And I mentioned like, you know, you're like, oh, you kind of like saw this trend in like a very specific trend in the comment section that was unique, but repeated.
	And I'm like, well, those are the ones that have Russian funding.
	And you're like, I'm not going to be a conspiracy theorist.
	I'm like, well, no, I said it.
	So I'm the conspiracy theorist.
	If we're talking about it, you're fine.
	I don't think it's a conspiracy.
	What do you think the money?
	Like, what do you think is in the package?
	That Russia is offering, which we now understand a lot more clearly with this Tim Pool, Benny Johnson, Dave Rubin lawsuit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What the package is offered.
	It's not just a chunk of money.
	Just a chunk of money doesn't do things for you in this world anymore.
	Truly.
	Either you have your own network that just needs to be funded.
	You have the right people that you can pay.
	And if you don't, wouldn't it make sense just how I don't have to have a layaway program anymore on my website?
	Afterpay is included in the package with Square.
	So if you want to pay in installments, I barely know.
	I barely know that it happens.
	All of these little outsourcing, why wouldn't that also be included in a state-of-the-art PR package that is offered by Russia?
	It just makes sense.
	We have XYZ bot farms and they're included because they want a return on their investment.
	If you think that this money is just getting thrown out there and there are not strings attached, baby, I got bad news for you.
	You need to provide a return, and especially if these people are not giving returns.
	I don't know, man.
	It's loan shark shit.
	I wouldn't want to be on the hook for that.
	I'd feel imperiled.
	It is interesting.
	It is interesting.
	It was funny talking to Thomas and Lydia about that because the comments section got pretty wild on that video too.
	I'm sure.
	Well, I mean, you know, and they were gracious enough to give us their time and attention and energy.
	And so it is what it is.
	I mean, whatever.
	It is what it is.
	I have a harder and harder time Well, my executive function is disintegrating rapidly.
	So there's that.
	Really didn't anticipate it.
	I remember when my meds used to work and that was tight.
	That was a long time ago.
	Anyway.
	But yeah, that kind of like...
	keywords that can be searched that can be crawled through and searched and found and if those keywords come up or those key figures come up enough it behooves whomever is making these cycles happen on the internet that can be manufactured and generated it behooves them to go after it right so hey yeah Whatever, whatever, whatever.
	Again, if buckets of money are allowed to slosh around unchecked in the world, this is the result.
	So let's talk about a massive bucket of money that you paid for.
	You paid for it, baby.
	Okay, so the Rwanda plan.
	At first I was like, why the UK? Why Rwanda?
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing?
	It just seemed random.
	Yeah.
	Rwandem.
	It does.
	It does.
	Rwandem.
	That's brand new.
	So apparently, the UK shops the idea around to a bunch of different countries.
	I think Australia or something, as far as this deal to send refugees around.
	Because, specifically, and it was, like, so short-sighted.
	And that's the thing that Jake Hanrahan was really upset with, is, like, these fucking chuckleheads are so easily played.
	Like, the thing is, if you're short-sighted, it's easy to be taken advantage of.
	If you don't have, kind of, like, long-term thinking, if you're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna do this right now.
	And unfortunately, Just In Time wasn't just manufacturing masks for COVID. That's, like, how the most powerful corporations and governments in the world work now.
	Not all of them, but most.
	Some have a plan.
	China's much smarter, and that's not a stereotype, it's just a fact.
	And Russia is at least more deliberate and calculated.
	Again, that's not a stereotype.
	I'm saying they're smarter.
	It's just what they're doing.
	They kind of have a head on their shoulders.
	They can't be taken as easily.
	They're not as susceptible to the monorail man if they're not just looking for the headline next week or next month.
	Because that's what politicians are kind of incentivized to do at this point and also CEOs or whatever, which is fucking why?
	How are we here?
	So stupid.
	And that's also why money can just get thrown the fuck away and none of us have anything to say or do about it.
	So chopping this idea around that was already bad, but basically everyone knew.
	And I don't know what your experience was from what I'm seeing is everybody was like, this is just like red meat for racist conservatives.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Before like an election time was kind of coming.
	Yeah.
	Was that your read as far as your compatriots were like, oh yeah, this is just a racist thing you're doing.
	It's like a dumb racist plan.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Yeah, I would say from my experience, the overwhelming response was, well, this is fucking stupid, it's also fucking expensive, and it's not actually going to solve any of the problem.
	And it's going to be, or what you're presenting to be the problem anyway.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, it's just like, we're going to ship the brown people off to a place where different brown people live.
	You're like, what is going on?
	Right.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And there's also like a lot of illegal things.
	You can't do like refugees for money.
	You can't do that.
	So...
	But that's what the plan sounded like.
	Any reporting I heard outside of these reporters, this investigation, it was a one-way street, right?
	And they thought that they had a tunnel where they could just usher...
	Brown people into because Rishi Sunak had this backlog crisis.
	Which a few hotel chain owners are abusing people and making fucking boatloads of cash.
	They're being welfare queens.
	Whales sucking up all this money and treating people terribly.
	The irony of racists are trying to burn it down from the outside and then there's landlord assholes that are taking you for all your worth because of this thing that you are for the government on the inside.
	It's Awful.
	It's really, the conditions are awful.
	It's amazing.
	And I also just don't see how right-wing anyone would be stoked on the price tag.
	I guess they just don't hear it.
	Because it's so much money.
	It's so much fucking money.
	And, you know, the argument in response to that, the Rishi Sunak, oh, well, it's a preventative.
	You know, they hear the possibility that they might end up on a flight and they're terrified and quaking in their boots and never come here.
	That's literally exactly what I have written down to discuss next.
	Thank you!
	Thank you.
	Because, yeah, that, like, there are all these, like, halves of arguments, right?
	So if nothing else, like, for me, this is, like, maybe this is my third thing as to why I want to cover it.
	It's instructive.
	Because it already happened.
	It's not happening anymore.
	But it sounded so bananas to me.
	And I just...
	It's not going to cost you anything to...
	Prove to yourself it's not money laundering.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Just think.
	That sounds too expensive.
	I wonder why it's too expensive.
	Alarm bell.
	Wee woo wee woo.
	That's a problem.
	That's for me.
	That's all I needed to know.
	The price tag and fucking why Rwanda?
	And also, all y'all scrambling for Africa motherfuckers have a lot to answer for already that has not been fixed.
	What are we doing?
	And so, there's a lot...
	I'm very wary of the poverty ink of it all.
	Like, I'm very wary of, like...
	Listen, there is...
	It is a mutual back-scratching operation for any humanitarian anything.
	Anything ever.
	I am also extremely wary of...
	There's a humanitarian element that looks good in the news and on paper and in a press release.
	And I rarely buy it.
	Because there's always something sneaky going on.
	Some greenwashing.
	Some eco-friendliness.
	I don't believe.
	Like, Mike Prince t-shirts.
	We source t-shirts as reliably as we can that are ethically produced.
	Yeah.
	There are so many loopholes within the proof of ethical production and the definition of ethical production that is next to impossible to prove.
	And there's also plenty of, you know, like, boohoo, sheehan.
	Basically any major kind of like retail production, you're not getting away from workers not getting paid, workers getting injured, workers getting systematically abused and being taken advantage of and their drinking water and their food being poisoned by the chemicals that are coming out of the plant.
	That's just you need to keep that in your mind, maybe by a couple less things.
	Because there's pain and suffering on the other side.
	And it's also killing the planet.
	Not killing the planet.
	The planet will be fine.
	It's killing the people on the planet.
	The planet are not going to make it.
	The people on the planet are not going to make it.
	The planet will be happy to be rid of us.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So, and that's all in this.
	And this is labor.
	These are all labor issues.
	Do not forget that, right?
	Because every single fucking aspect of this is labor exploitation.
	So, yeah, Rishi Sunak was saying, like, it's a deterrent because Rwanda is so dangerous and bad.
	But then when judges would tell the UK government, and there was a Tory government, to be fair.
	But listen, like all the reporting I found on the more recent kind of like border policies and immigration policies, they're putting the same people in the same places to do the same things.
	They're not even changing up who's in charge.
	So I am talking.
	Rishi Sunak is different.
	And Suella Braverman is different.
	But pretty much everybody else is like, they're not changing nearly enough to make this problem go away.
	So because there is a new figurehead does not mean that this has changed.
	The people further down on the rungs are still there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so, yeah, so, yeah, they said, like, oh, you know, it's a big deterrent, and, you know, nobody wants to get sent there and everything.
	And then, yeah, the court were like, yeah, you can't send people there.
	That's a war zone.
	It's not safe to send people there.
	Well, I mean, first of all, Rwandans are really insulted by that, which is sad to hear, that, like, their entire country is being classified as, because it's not necessarily a war zone yet.
	I mean, so this reporting was also from February.
	Right.
	Like, December to February.
	It is dangerous, for sure.
	They cannot support this kind of influx of people as the way that it was presented to y'all.
	Because what was illegal about it is you can't legally punish people for seeking asylum in your country.
	And so you can't threaten them with harm in another, like, in a, oh, well, maybe.
	Maybe you'll get fucked up in this dangerous place.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And, like, you don't, you know, like, it's, so you are, it's illegal to punish people for seeking asylum in your country if you are part of the international rules-based order who offers asylum for refugees.
	It's illegal.
	My favorite thing about it, however, was the government's response to, I think it was the High Court, saying, no, you can't send people there, it's not safe, was the government saying, well, actually, we're going to declare that it is safe, and therefore now we can send people.
	That's perfect.
	Because we've decided.
	Yeah.
	What are you doing?
	That's part of it.
	Yeah, you can't say it's a threat and then, no, JK, it's safe.
	You can't do that.
	But genuinely also, Rwandans were like, I'd be pissed.
	I mean, when people talk about fucking Chicago as this, I mean, I can call it Chirac.
	I live here and it's funny.
	But I moved to Chicago because it was safer than places I was living.
	And I mean...
	Things are changing here because shit's going really bad.
	It doesn't have to be this way.
	It just is.
	Anyway, it fucking sucks.
	It sucks to be that target.
	Honestly, we kind of own it a little more in St. Louis.
	We're like, yeah, this place is gnarly.
	I'm like, no, not wrong.
	Mind your P's and Q's.
	Gas up your car under a lot of street lamps.
	Make sure that you don't Rent a guest.
	You know, like, kind of a thing.
	Like, lock your doors.
	Get a club.
	But, like, yeah, it makes sense because Africa is a whole-ass continent.
	People seem to forget.
	And there's, like, real normal human people, just like everywhere else in the world, that live there.
	And to act like they're all barbaric, savage warlords and victims of said warlords is a gross misunderstanding.
	And it is absolutely racist.
	It is a racist notion just like any other black people are bad racist notion.
	And they were playing both sides in a way that was just shocking to me because of what we just talked about.
	And so the whole idea, what wasn't discussed because you can't sell refugees, it's illegal, was the reciprocal nature of the agreement with Rwanda.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right?
	Was that discussed much at all?
	Yeah, it was never a particular focal point, which I don't understand why, but yeah, like the Rwandan government were paying for people to be sent there.
	I was like, what?
	Wait, look.
	No, no, no, they weren't.
	No, Rwandan did not pay any money.
	No!
	Okay, I understood that was part of the deal.
	What happened?
	There's a quid pro quo, but it's not money.
	It's much more shady than that, so I don't know.
	They fucking lied.
	Anyway, whatever.
	I don't know much of what was in the news.
	I knew it was shady, and I wasn't going to trust any fucking...
	I wasn't trusting whoever was saying whatever.
	I'm like, I'll listen to someone that actually knows what's going on.
	It took a while, and I had to kind of dig for it, too.
	When I say reciprocal, so that means...
	No, you don't know about the reciprocal.
	Nature of the agreement, Rwanda can also...
	Because if you can't descend one way, that'd be buying or selling refugees, basically.
	It'd be selling refugees.
	You can't sell people.
	That's illegal.
	That's trafficking.
	The agreement, by dint of being legal, Rwanda, it had to be an exchange of refugees.
	So Rwanda could also send their refugees to the UK, or else it would not be a legal arrangement.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	So...
	That's what I mean.
	Because Brexit, from what I knew about Brexit, it was the same kind of thing.
	It's like, okay, you're just going to make a different illegal path for migrants that still need to seek asylum and still need to work and live.
	Brexit isn't going to fix any of this stuff.
	And the racist kind of talking point that Brexit was going to get rid of all the black people in the country, black and brown people...
	Take back our borders was the narrative.
	Yeah, like, it's just a lie.
	It was just like a dumb lie the whole time!
	Same with the Rwanda plan, okay?
	Like, it was a reciprocal, like, the UK was signing up to take, like, Rwanda gets to make the decision.
	As to who...
	They're unprocessed refugees in massive refugee camps.
	And, like, people that have been in camps for, like, 20 fucking years and have no...
	There is no path to citizenship to become a Rwandan citizen.
	It is, like...
	We'll get into it anyway.
	They're, like...
	And these people are being told to a person when they were interviewed in refugee camps, like the only option that we have ever been given and to conceive of in our minds is to get basically sent to a like a Western country like the UK.
	So this was always Rwanda's plan.
	Rwanda had their own plan.
	And so that was like basically like Rwanda was like, oh, we're just going to send you somewhere else.
	And there were a few routes for legal asylum that were still in place.
	And I don't know if this has changed.
	And it very well should.
	But it still isn't good enough.
	Like these like legal routes for asylum and to apply for asylum in their countries of origin, like Afghanistan.
	But it goes through the Taliban.
	So what are you going to do?
	And like Syria and like Hong Kong and Ukraine.
	The Ukraine asylum program was cancelled the day that they announced the Rwanda plan.
	So, that's how your government feels about the Ukrainians and the Ukraine war.
	That's the thing.
	There's a lot of stuff going on with Ukraine that a bunch of governments are just half-assing and we're the whole time and aren't owning up to it.
	So, I'd make that face all the time if I were Zelensky.
	I'd be very stressed.
	And worried.
	And upset.
	And scared.
	Because I got a lot of promises made to me that are not being kept.
	On like a very serious degree.
	And it's been that way the whole time.
	And that's...
	Africa has to deal with the same thing with the West.
	Absolutely insane.
	So...
	And there was like hundreds of people that were stranded.
	Right?
	Like basically because they're like, Rwanda plan.
	Never mind.
	Canceled my...
	But they're also extremely difficult routes to get through anyway.
	So...
	Which, if you fund it, it'll work.
	Instead, the UK decided to pay a quarter of a billion dollars.
	A quarter of a billion dollars.
	The notion of my state and a little bit of Wisconsin paying a quarter of a billion, I get that it's different with the economies and blah, blah, blah.
	Yeah, economically.
	But still.
	Yeah.
	That doesn't sound like as much of a- I do genuinely believe and I feel in my heart.
	Yeah, that's a larger burden on y'all than us in America.
	It's so much money.
	Yeah, especially with kind of the state of everything over here.
	Right.
	Economically, for anyone who is not very wealthy, you know, for the rest of us, it's just, oh, good, more taxes.
	Yeah.
	What, nurses gotta fucking sleep in their car?
	But we're gonna...
	Sleep in their car, go to food banks, keep refusing to raise their pay.
	Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
	What could that quarter of a billion do for the NHS, right?
	Or whatever, right?
	Heaving it to Rwanda.
	Okay, here's the thing.
	There were earmarks for preparation and processing costs.
	That money is gone.
	That money just went, and the Treasury, there were no keeping tabs on it.
	It was just, that money's just in Rwanda now.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and so reporting has also been very thin because, I mean, Rwanda's been under a dictatorship.
	Oh my gosh, what's his name?
	I don't remember anything anymore, unless I don't need it.
	Where's his name?
	It was...
	I can't remember his name either.
	I know.
	Paul Kagami.
	Paul Kagami.
	Yeah, so Kagami's been a dictator for fucking 40 years.
	And frankly, he's smart.
	Like, he's awful.
	But like, again, like, if we just say like, oh, dictator, bet.
	Like, no, just look at who the person is and what they do.
	Because I think that...
	And also, like, don't necessarily have like rosy glasses on either, UK. I mean, like, no, he'll be...
	No, he's, like, mean to everybody else, but, like, he's gonna be totally cool with us.
	Like, he's got our back.
	You know, it's like, he's our dictator.
	Which is also what it is, everybody.
	Which is wrong.
	It's fucking wrong.
	Right, so reporting has been thin because, like, Rwandan journalists are, like, in droves, are detained and imprisoned and tortured in Rwanda right now.
	So, especially for a Tory government, but I think, I don't know, man.
	Like, the thing is, is, like...
	In the conversation, the election was coming up, you know what I mean?
	There was a whole, like, Tories versus, you know, like, vote the Tories out attitude, but any other, like, labor government, they did Nick's Rwanda plan, which is good.
	Obviously.
	But all that money's already gone.
	Oh, yeah.
	Several payments heaved it the fuck over there.
	Yeah, like, that's the thing with contracts.
	Like, the people on the other end don't give a shit that this is all cancelled.
	They're getting paid anyway.
	It doesn't matter.
	They don't give a fuck.
	A quarter of a billion dollars.
	Right.
	I'm like, mm, it just, mm.
	Right.
	So the government...
	Pre-Brexit, the UK was the, I think, fourth largest economy in the world.
	Right.
	We are now sixth.
	We've dropped two places because of the Conservatives.
	And it's things like this.
	It's 100% things like this.
	Yeah.
	But it's also things like 700 million for border bullshit.
	This is getting piped in to security firms.
	Yeah.
	Come on!
	Anyway, so basically, these reporters, they're independent journalists, and they're like, we already know it's a very difficult area for journalists.
	It's very dangerous.
	We already had experience in that area, and we had connections, and we also were very, very aware of our safety.
	And being Westerners helps.
	But basically, they went there to figure it out.
	They had to go boots on the ground in Rwanda to figure out what was actually going on.
	Because any kind of talking to trade folks or government officials or whatever in the UK, they weren't getting straight answers.
	And even after they had proof, they still did, which is fun.
	But right, so they went to Rwanda...
	To invest, like, you know, a couple of months, they kind of, like, stuck in and Rwanda and the DRC. And so basically, but reporting had been done, but it was thin.
	And so it was limited to, like, Daily Mail, Telegraph, maybe GB News.
	And, like, Sue Ella Braverman went there and did, like, a little press tour thing.
	And so I think we can all assume that they showed up and they said what they were supposed to say and they left.
	Yeah.
	Maybe a little bit slanted.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, well, and just like, well, and also like, listen, it's dangerous for reporters.
	What are you going to do?
	Like, well, I'm going to show up and like this piece of paper showed up and I'm going to read it because also the government is complicit.
	So like the government's like, here, this is what you say.
	So it's a convenient place to park what they think, you know, the government thinks is like it's a convenient place to park a bunch of black refugees, black and brown refugees, and then they just go question mark.
	It doesn't matter.
	There's not going to be reporting on what happens to them.
	Um, and so, and this is very, okay, it's also very complicated.
	If you're not familiar with, like, the Rwandan genocide, um, I'm, I can't explain all of that.
	Um, but, basically, it was, like, this French-backed, I mean, it was, the West, again, like, the West just keeps making all these stews of nightmare shit, and then being like, oh no, they're so dumb.
	Their country's so bad and dumb.
	Trollocas are black.
	I'm like, no, because you came in and stole everything.
	It's you again.
	Yes, yeah, exactly.
	And you're bad at running shit, and you just...
	It's the fucking Scooby-Doo thing, you know, you pull off the mask, and it's always fucking imperialist country.
	Like, well, it's you again.
	Right.
	Well, yeah.
	And it's like, oh, yeah.
	Sorry.
	You were like, I'm going to run this thing.
	You just took a steaming dump on the floor.
	That's not...
	And then left.
	And you're like, gross.
	You have poop in your house.
	Like, no.
	You did it.
	It's your poop.
	So, right.
	And so we have Hutu and Tutsi kind of militias that cropped up.
	And I saw Hotel Rwanda in the theater and cried like a baby.
	That is how we see things after the fact.
	Yeah.
	Mm-hmm.
	Basically.
	Is that like, you know, the brutal dictator kind of like in a military action, in a very like brutal, carnage-infested military action.
	So yeah, this has been a war-torn area for decades and Um, that us, you know, like Western folks have financially have like quality of life.
	Like we are only reaping the benefits and we do not have any of the like detrimental, just like destruction to our lives that is inflicted on these people.
	It's absolutely brutal.
	Um, and so I'll try to trigger warning for stuff that's like gnarly.
	And also I'm going to, I'm going to talk fast and I'm going to use TikTok language.
	Um, Whenever I can.
	So, like, 2013, basically, one of the Tutsi militias called M23, that's who you have to remember, is a Tutsi militia.
	And Tutsis and Hutus are Rwandan.
	The Tutsi militia is in the Congo and was particularly like a really like, like they're in the Congo, but like it was an open secret that they were funded by Rwanda.
	They had like Rwandan uniforms and equipment.
	They would before saying all the women they could find in the village.
	This is Rwanda's doing this to you.
	Like it was very clear that this was a Rwandan effort but because it's in the Congo, they could kind of You're like, no, we can't do anything.
	Until...
	So, like...
	And this was not just happening in 2013. In 2013, foreign aid...
	Like, basically, like, the foreign aid powers threatened to cut all the money off.
	Because Rwanda was funding M23's militia.
	And...
	So foreign aid was like, nope, we're not.
	This needs to stop.
	Stop paying for this or we're not going to give you money anymore.
	And they cut the faucet off because 70% of Rwandan money kind of like came from foreign aid at that time and the threats worked and it stopped and had stopped.
	Until the UK began talks about the Rwanda plan.
	M23 starts to regroup again and is starting to, like, get their kind of power back in, like, eastern Congo and stuff.
	Where, because of the original, right, like because of this like Rwandan genocide, Hutu, Tutsi, you know, like fighting and like all of the stuff that we see, you know, we see on the Sally Struthers commercials and like what we think of as Africa, right?
	Like, unfortunately, and like the Western conception of this like war-torn nightmare place.
	Yeah.
	um is basically like has been going on to some degree and is kind of pushed into the drc into congo and and i'm going to be using the old congo because it's easier for us to hold on to right like drc democratic republican congo um so basically Anyway, it is complicated, but it's not that complicated.
	So, this has always been happening.
	The amount of refugees that had to flee Rwanda because of the Rwanda genocide.
	It's not over.
	It was still happening.
	They had to flee into the Congo.
	So, imagine the eastern...
	The Rwanda side of Congo is full of these refugee camps that are also nightmarish.
	But these refugee camps that are...
	Full of Rwandan people in the Congo.
	So we're talking about creating refugees.
	And they are not getting fixed.
	These are people that are in these camps, and I'm talking like tents, whatever, for 20 years.
	They can't leave because they don't have legal – they don't have anywhere to go.
	Yeah.
	It's very much a frying pan into the fire kind of situation.
	It was more like fire and then into a frying pan because it's contained.
	We know where these people are and we know what they're going through.
	So it's like fire into a frying pan.
	They're like, nope, it's still hot.
	But basically, if we're talking about the international refugee crisis and making more refugees...
	That conflict has made, and basically that conflict being allowed to continue for the sake of Western interests, genuinely and truly, has been simmering this whole time and is creating more and more refugees that need somewhere to go.
	So the M-23 militia, particularly brutal, starts to regroup.
	As these talks are happening, because they can hear that little cash register dollar sign for the UK being interested in even getting into all this.
	Right.
	So, it was something like the week of when the UK signed the deal, a thousand new troops showed up.
	Like, new M3 militia guys were recruited and showed up.
	Right.
	So clearly, like, and no one's saying this out, like, at the time, again, this is reporting in, like, February, March that we're talking about this.
	So there might be more out there now, but I found what I found.
	And so, and also, like, the focus has shifted because this isn't the plan anymore, but I think it's such an instructive kind of, like, instance of, like, to me, this is the kind of thing, like, I will say one statement on the show about, like, ah, that's, no, no, that's fucked up.
	And this is this whole story behind that one sentence.
	Like this is the kind of story that's in my head.
	This is indicative of kind of this type of behavior that when it strikes me funny and I don't trust it, this is what's behind all that.
	And we don't have time to say that every episode.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	And maybe I don't have the specifics, but I know when something smells rotten.
	And this is an excellent example that is contemporary for us.
	So clearly the money gained from the Rwanda plan would offset any foreign aid, which Rwanda would lose because the threat worked of removing aid.
	So, the UK's Rwanda plan for refugees, which is not tied to anything, there is no kind of moral imperative or human rights qualifications that need to be in place for that Rwanda plan money.
	Like you said, they were insisting, no, it's actually really safe and fine, even though it's also a threat.
	What?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, so they would...
	Rwanda knew that that money would offset any foreign aid they would lose if they kept...
	started up funding M23 militias again.
	So, the militia.
	Who also showed up in Burundi, doing the same kind of, like, raids on villages, a lot of death and destruction.
	And Rwanda militias...
	Death squads.
	The reporters kept using the phrase rape militias because that's what they are, and that's a gnarly thing to say.
	Also, we know that.
	If you are in any way abreast of international political happenings, you know that's what's happening, but we don't always get the reason why.
	We don't always get the motivation.
	And it's to terrify people by injuring them, but keeping them alive.
	And there's so many things that goes into that particular essay as a weapon of war.
	There's a reason why it's not allowed, but it happens, but it's not allowed because it's very effective.
	It's an extremely effective way.
	The phrase rape and pillage has been around a long time.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	And there's so many ramifications within your society if that's like intrinsic, right?
	And you guys paying for it.
	So, and they're pushing back into the DRC, right?
	So they're like, and the reporters have been like, they're as close as they've ever been.
	And it was kind of right before things went really kinetic.
	And then like right after this reporting happened, then Things escalated in the DRC, which we're seeing now, right?
	So as far as the international concern for making refugees, because part of the plan, if you actually want to be efficient and save money, is to make less refugees.
	We wouldn't have a refugee crisis if we were all responsibly running these governments the way they're supposed to be run.
	It would not...
	Allowing, sanctioning, supporting, exploitative nightmare scenarios in other parts of the world.
	Those refugees don't want to leave.
	They want to live where they live.
	They don't want to go.
	Yeah.
	So, sorry about your batteries.
	Those people want to live there in peace and be safe.
	So we need to talk about what's fucking baffling to me.
	Baffling to me is that we are only talking about the absolute last end part of this entire problem as migrants crossing border.
	When us whites are doing all the things behind that migrant, all of it.
	Stealing, raping, pillaging.
	Well and truly.
	Behind that person, pushing them over the border in the first place.
	It baffles me.
	Stop doing things that make refugees.
	You won't have a refugee problem.
	You won't have a refugee crisis.
	Here's an illustration.
	Of why the math is bad.
	Because Rishi Sunak had a quote-unquote backlog crisis, right?
	And I'm sure you all heard about it.
	That was like a talking point.
	It was like a refugee backlog crisis.
	And there were 92,000 asylum seekers at the outside of this whole little scheme waiting in the UK total.
	That was the backlog.
	Mm-hmm.
	The week before the deal was signed, when all those new troops showed up with M23 militia, 45,000 new refugees were made through their brutal military actions.
	So, this giant chunk of money went to Rwanda and made 45,000 new refugees in a week.
	So how are we fixing the refugee?
	Like, we're not patching the hole in the boat.
	I can only assume, like, the logic is, well, we're just going to make sure they don't come here.
	You know?
	That's all I can- They didn't, though.
	Yeah.
	They signed paperwork saying they can definitely come here if you jump through a couple of hoops that, well, we don't really know.
	Later.
	Because maybe they knew they were going to lose the election and it wasn't going to be their problem.
	So...
	M23 is a militia.
	If you're trying to solve a refugee crisis, because refugee crisis does mean black people showing up in my town, to Americans for sure, and to white people.
	No.
	The refugee crisis is corporate oligarch fucking overlords with too much fucking power are making the refugees.
	And you're racist.
	That's different.
	They're two separate problems.
	M23 militias themselves, Rwanda-funded, have...
	Made over 1 million refugees in the DRC themselves.
	1 million refugees that are in the DRC right now.
	Just that militia group.
	There are other militia groups.
	So they move into a town.
	They...
	Unalive kids.
	They say every woman they can find.
	And it's systemic.
	Take all the town's money.
	They take everybody's money and stuff.
	It is truly Viking shit.
	But it's also Viking shit with scopes and smartphones.
	Much more efficient.
	They shot down a UN helicopter.
	Yeah, the Vikings, I don't think, could have managed that.
	Yeah, right?
	So why are they allowed to do that?
	I think the motivations get really obscured, and that's also why I want to talk about it.
	Protecting the ethnic Tutsis in the DRC, that's kind of like...
	So protecting ethnic Tutsi Rwandans that are displaced in the DRC, the Congo, next door.
	They're displaced next door.
	M23 militia said, well, we're protecting the Tutsis.
	No, they're not.
	Like, that's kind of their excuse to kind of get away with whatever.
	Actually, they're doing the same thing as, like, they're malicious on both sides, and what they're doing, we knew we would get here, because we're in the DRC, is they're stealing coal tan, cobalt, and gold.
	So all of the militias that are allowed to operate and are funded are – and also can gain funding.
	So the mines that – like, there's a lot of, like – and I'm glad there's a lot of, like, talk about what's, like, the massive, like – Like, crisis that's happening in the Congo right now.
	It is a man-made famine.
	It's because people can't afford to buy food.
	It's not because food is not available.
	I mean, there's also food is not available, and then, like, you drive the price up, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
	But it's not like we could...
	Like, if we just gave...
	Everybody gave them a little food.
	There wouldn't...
	It's not like...
	It's not like a farming problem.
	You know what I mean?
	It's not a nature problem.
	It's not a locust problem.
	It is a man-made famine.
	We need to understand that that is what happens in this world.
	And if people are starving, that is a policy choice, not a lack of resources.
	Understand that we are actively involved in starving these people and exploiting their labor.
	And you can find all of that information.
	This is what's happening.
	So, militias, through dictator governments...
	Can launder coltan, cobalt, and gold through Rwanda and sell it to the wider world.
	Rwanda's also worried about the loss of trade routes.
	Uganda is building a new trade route to get to the DRC, even to get the stuff.
	And so Rwanda is sabotaging and is warring to keep other countries from basically horning in on their money.
	So, with all this...
	You know, like all this Paris Accord, G7 Summit, blah-de-blee-blee that all these motherfuckers are talking about how to save the earth and shit and do conflict-free minerals.
	The UK has this...
	Listen, anytime you hear a plan about a green, eco-friendly, conflict-free anything, this is what's behind it and I need you all to know.
	Oh my God, I need you to know.
	Because the UK is looking at all the Western countries...
	To pull a Tesla and do the carbon credits because that's not going to work.
	That was like a scheme that kept us all quiet for a while.
	And that's now falling apart.
	So they got to do a new conflict.
	There are no conflict free minerals on earth.
	There aren't.
	Period.
	There could be labor issue.
	They're not.
	So and that's also how you get massive profits.
	Like these people could be paid and taken care of.
	If this is really what we all wanted to do, it's entirely possible.
	You just don't want to because you want to go to money.
	So, UK companies are also popping up all over Rwanda as soon as this plan started.
	All over Rwanda with much smaller minds than the DRC. Basically, the DRC has been a war-torn...
	Such a dangerous and, like, exploited country is because they are rich.
	They're not a poor country.
	They are rich in minerals, and they are rich, but it's all stolen.
	They're the victims of theft, systemically.
	They're being thieved from.
	By the rich whites.
	And so, Rwanda just doesn't have the same mineral deposits.
	They want smaller mines, but if you have a mining company that is a UK mining company, and all the militias just steal everything and cross the border to the DRC, then...
	And then send it to the UK and they're like, nah, it's fine.
	We got it.
	Remember that thing you signed?
	It's tight.
	We're good.
	That's what's happening.
	It is laundering, period.
	And it's not just the UK. Obviously, the USA is doing all the same shit.
	China goes in and builds mines and definitely uses slave labor.
	So they just go in and they just...
	They homestead themselves.
	Russia is trading security for mining resources.
	And UK is kind of like classy style, like skimming off the top by laundering everything.
	That's sort of what's up.
	Yeah.
	We're better at distancing ourselves from this kind of thing.
	We've been doing it a long time.
	A lot of practice.
	Genuinely, it's impressive.
	It's impressive.
	Yeah, and everybody kind of goes along with that.
	And that's also part of what's happening is these militias that are kind of low-key, obviously, sanctioned by the government.
	So it's not a government.
	It's not like a country's militia.
	But it's like they're Postmates-ing it.
	They're Ubering.
	They're independent contracting for Rwanda to annex parts of Burundi.
	They're very viciously basically taking over these parts of other countries and then justifying it by saying, well, Rwanda's like, no, we can run it better.
	So we should just be able to annex it and have it.
	Which is also what Russia says about Ukraine.
	Which, I don't know, if you want to access a port, fucking have an agreement.
	Don't start a war that you both think is going to be done in a week and we're still here.
	It's fucking dumb.
	Same thing with what Israel is saying about Lebanon.
	Israel is saying, Lebanon doesn't run good and you know what's going to fix it?
	A bunch of fucking bombs and we should be running it anyway.
	We're smarter and better.
	Okay, man, whatever.
	It's all the same shit.
	It's an excuse.
	It's the, and it's, anyway.
	So yeah, what I mentioned before, like the reporters that were like kind of reporting the story and like trying to look into this whenever, like on UK soil, when they were talking to all the people that were in charge of like running the deal and the trade partners and stuff, got no straight answers.
	Like, hey, rape militias, What are we doing about that?
	And they're like, well, it's just their problem, but we're very concerned.
	We're very concerned.
	Last week, we were talking about, on the episode, it was like, I don't give a shit.
	I don't give a shit if they're concerned or not.
	I'll sue your dick into the dirt.
	And make you never be able to live here anymore.
	I'll make you have to move out of the country legally for you to keep up.
	If you want to keep operating like this, you can't do it here.
	You can't have any business licenses.
	You are not allowed to operate as a business if you keep running this business or apartment complex or whatever.
	Legally, you can't do it.
	You are not allowed to keep breaking the law because all of this stuff is fucking illegal.
	It's all illegal.
	Y'all have laws on your own books that say, we can't trade refugees for money.
	We can't give money to warlords.
	We can't give money to brutal dictators.
	That's a legal thing that y'all can't do.
	So that's a lever of which to combat power, right?
	Yeah.
	I don't care about the feelings.
	The feelings are for us, are for the punters.
	They're for the regular people.
	The threats are for the upstairs.
	Okay.
	So Rwandan generals.
	Okay.
	So, oh yeah.
	And Rwandan generals, like basically there's all this kind of stuff that was like, hey, all these things that is not, they're not allowed.
	Going to the UN, going to like, going to any kind of like international, like trade sort of like governing body.
	That's what I'm saying.
	The issue with Vivek Ramaswamy wanting everyone to be elected, it's just another kind of smokescreen, every position.
	And also Russell wanting to elect everybody.
	Oh, well, then it's an extra popularity contest because we should be able to have...
	People who are good at the job with experience and are accountable to the laws and bylaws and the conventions of the job you're doing.
	And if you aren't doing the job right, you can be sanctioned or you can be replaced.
	Like, put the best person in the...
	Like, if you're breaking all the rules, you should be sanctioned, right?
	Like, you should be disbarred or whatever.
	Like, whatever is happening, you should be sanctioned.
	There should be, like, a support system that has consequences.
	And none of these consequences are coming through because they're like, well...
	Rwandan generals were allowed...
	And this is like...
	These are international bodies.
	UN shit.
	Where people are in charge who we're supposed to trust with all this stuff.
	Rwandan generals were allowed to go into these giant DRC refugee camps recruiting Tutsi men who'd otherwise be...
	They would have no other way to leave.
	They are not legally allowed outside of...
	Like they are forced to be dependent on this refugee system when they would not otherwise want to be under any circumstance.
	And the same conflict is happening in the Central African Republic, but it gets less attention because they don't have the cobalt and coltan.
	There's a reason why the Congo is this kind of nexus is because they're so mineral rich.
	And at the time, you know, like around February, because like things have gotten worse since then.
	But like at the time, like UN peacekeeping, who allowed the generals in, had to leave because it got too hot.
	And then Eastern European mercenaries are the ones that are going to come in because Russia is trading security for resources, right?
	And what y'all did, this is amazing.
	Let's talk a minute about Suilla Braverman and what she did.
	Did you see the video of her going to Rwanda?
	I don't think I did.
	I don't think a lot of people did.
	I try and avoid most things involving that lady.
	Well, we need to watch.
	Because this was banana.
	So there's a video.
	She's showing up at housing development.
	Because basically all the money got just heaved over there.
	Eyes closed.
	Like a bouquet at a wedding.
	Just heaved over the back.
	All that quarter of a bill.
	And so somebody had to go be like, ooh, where'd all that money go?
	She's shown up at this housing development, did like a press tour, right?
	And it's like touring this home and this development that's being built.
	And she's like...
	Supporting that, like, oh, no, it's super nice here.
	Everything.
	It was that kind of smokescreen to say, like, oh, no, Rwanda is actually super safe.
	It's a threat, but this is super safe.
	This is where the refugees are going to live.
	And this is what we're paying for.
	And this is like this.
	She's like taking a tour.
	In the government, huh?
	She's taking a tour of this house that's being built.
	This is where they're going to live.
	Isn't it great?
	Everything's wonderful.
	And interviews the developer that's there.
	And he's like, okay, sure.
	I don't know if he talked to her or not on camera.
	But she goes and tours these facilities that are like houses, right?
	Like they're supposed to be for the refugees.
	The investigators went and found the guy who was the developer for that like new home development.
	And they were like, hey, Swella Braverman, what's the connection there?
	Like where is the connection?
	Because they couldn't get any answers in the UK either.
	Of course.
	The guy's like, who's that lady?
	Oh, I don't know.
	I don't know her.
	We build homes.
	They're starter homes for people who live in Rwanda.
	I think what is so insidious and also racist is that it's very easy.
	Like, Suella Braven can just show up at a house and say, we built it, and then all the whites can just assume that Well, Rwandans live in huts, so obviously we built those houses.
	There is a racist element that runs cover for her.
	Yeah, Rwandans have starter homes because they have jobs in cities like the rest of us.
	She just found like they were having an event for some of the like so for the developers like they were having an event because some of them had graduated so like some of the like people that were working with the construction company basically basically like i'm i'm you know obviously i'm simplifying but like basically they were doing a graduation ceremony for some of like the developers and they were like on home tours and stuff and she just came in and filmed Remarkable.
	I'm amazed.
	I'm amazed at that.
	I'd love to say I'm surprised, but I'm like, nah, that tracks.
	That completely tracks with these people.
	But yeah, also, like, yeah, there is this kind of concept of like, yeah, it's Rwanda, they're all uncivilized savages.
	It's like, no.
	No, no, no.
	Problems aside, very civilized country.
	Very civilized country.
	Well, the problems are, again, it's the whites coming in and taking a big shit in your living room and saying, ew, your house is full of poop.
	No.
	They created the conditions and then reinforced it with...
	The most blatant lie.
	Genuinely, I'm not even mad.
	I'm impressed.
	It's the whole wheel of cheese.
	It's incredible.
	So that's what the UK was up to for all this.
	And I'm sure somebody had to have a beat on this in the government and be like, no, no, no.
	And I'm glad that they got shut down, of course.
	But the fact that it was allowed to go this far is incredible.
	Yeah.
	talking to people on the ground because they did a ton of interviews with Rwandans in the Congo and Rwanda, whatever.
	And they're like, "We don't trust the UK, US, France." Obviously, they don't.
	The Russian brothers are the only ones that are helping us because they're showing up and providing security.
	So if you're talking about hard power and soft power at the same time, that's what's happening.
	And the UK is funding the reason.
	Like, for anyone...
	For the US, the UK, anybody to be like, oh, boo, Russia, you are putting money in their pockets right now.
	That is exactly what you did.
	You paid for it.
	So...
	So we're getting to the part where basically the refugees that were in camps were told, sometimes for 20 years, and again, they're stuck there.
	People have to understand the concept of what a refugee camp is.
	Calling them some kind of mooch off of the system is so fucking backwards because...
	I thought 90 Day Fiance genuinely would change this on a societal level.
	Because...
	Immigrants, quote-unquote, people that are not from here, when they show up, they're treated like deadbeats.
	You legally cannot work.
	You are legally not allowed to work on a visa unless you have a special dispensation.
	If you get caught, you will be deported.
	You will be criminally prosecuted for working.
	How dare you fucking call somebody a deadbeat when they are legally barred from supporting themselves?
	How their deadbeats, they're legally barred.
	Sometimes for 20 fucking years from supporting themselves or living their own lives in any way.
	We are creating this situation, then fucking bitching about it.
	And this is to a person.
	The people that are risking their lives to come to a country, this is some version of what they're coming from.
	This is not...
	The narrative is so fucking skewed, right?
	So...
	Right.
	So there is no...
	And there's no reality in which they will...
	Like, they are not allowed to even entertain the idea that they will allow...
	Be granted Rwandan citizenship if there's, like...
	So Congolese refugees that are in Rwanda, right?
	Because it's a two-way street, too.
	Like, militias are just fucking shit up all over the place.
	So Rwanda is like, we have a bunch of Congolese refugees.
	There was...
	The deal had to allow an exchange.
	There were no parameters signed in the deal.
	And they tried to, like...
	You know, reporters got, like, vague responses from everybody, but even, like, in the UK. No one could tell them, okay, so how many people can Rwanda send here?
	And they're like, well, there's some caps that are graduating.
	You know, like, there was no straight answer.
	So...
	So basically, the Tories got played by Rwanda hard.
	Got played by Paul Kagame straight up in their face.
	To their fucking face.
	Because the Tories just were like, oh, we need some kind of plan.
	An effort that appeals to right-wing fascist racists.
	That's it.
	Like, so...
	And Paul Kagame fucking, like, secured the bag and is laughing all the way to the bank.
	And so floundering and finding, you know, like, roping around for some policy or some plan racist enough to win over the right wing, they stumble on the dumbest shit.
	And so this...
	I wanted to look more into it in time.
	Andrew Mitchell is a former ambassador to Rwanda.
	He's, like, making a bank with, like, mining companies he's setting up.
	So there's all this kind of, like...
	corporate fucking bullshit that is like and the point that uh i think that was being made at the time and is still absolutely relevant is like if there is this agreement and there's also like an impending war with like a humanitarian crisis if there is this agreement between the uk and rwanda like on the global stage
	um the warnings were there the whole time that the uk would have a very difficult time criticizing or curtailing any kind of human rights abuses in rwanda if they were this a partner in this plan they're sending people like right like legally it has to be a safe place to send them or else they're breaking international laws and they're also breaking uk laws yeah so it is in their best interest
	everybody's at the only at the top to obfuscate and to hide any kind of like human rights abuses or whatever when it comes to a vote of the u.n What happens whenever there's a full-on war and people have to talk about it?
	It's like UN, NATO... Who is, like, deciding who gets aid where.
	How it's organized.
	All of these, like, mining interests and shit are running the fucking show.
	And Hotel Rwanda is, like, they're gonna make another fucking movie about this.
	They're gonna make another fucking movie about Gaza and Israel and Lebanon in 20 years.
	Don't fucking buy it.
	You listen to every single person.
	They'll tell you exactly what they did now and they're all going to fucking boohoo about it later and it's all being contributed to.
	And so where does labor want to send the money instead to throw away?
	on quote unquote conflict free minerals and be leading the charge in the Western world and like in the world for conflict free energy, blah, blah, blah.
	And it's this people are getting brutally, cruelly tortured and killed every week for that.
	So buy a used iPhone, baby.
	Just like straight up.
	Buy a fucking used iPhone.
	I've never had a new one get a refurb.
	They fucking work great and they usually have better warranties.
	So just do that.
	Find the Lebanese kid because we have a lot because we made so many refugees and they're great.
	Find the Lebanese teenager that can fix your battery.
	We have, like, three.
	Google will help you out.
	Like, they're gonna be in somebody's store and they can fix some shit.
	Do not buy a new phone.
	Do not buy new electronics unless you absolutely can avoid it.
	Also, electronics, like, basically, like, well, you could also find, like, a white kid, too, but, like, they're fine.
	I'm gonna tip the Lebanese kid.
	I'm gonna tip the Lebanese teenager who doesn't give a shit.
	Which I live.
	Oh, it's Gen Alpha.
	Gen Alpha's over it forever and I'm so here for it.
	That's great.
	Oh, I support that 100%.
	I'm thinking of the kid right now and he's just so bored and I live.
	And so, and fucking review him on Google.
	That's all they ask for.
	And it costs you nothing.
	And it's called community, goddammit.
	But like, that like, That complete misunderstanding of, like, efficiency, efficacy, like, the number that I heard that blew my fucking mind is 45, like, so there were 92,000 refugees total in the UK when this crisis was, like, on RishiC Next desk.
	And then in a week, half of that number was added because of the money that got sent there.
	So that's the fucking Rwanda plan.
	That's the fucking Rwanda plan.
	I mean, there are a lot of reasons to describe Rishi Sunak as incompetent, but that one really does kind of...
	He's also just a figure, you know what I mean?
	The same thing they're going to try to do with Benjamin and Ahu and that other guy, whatever.
	Anyway, making it just about one person, a lot of the people that were fine with this are still in those jobs.
	They still have power and they are still incompetent.
	And just because it's Kier instead of Rishi changes very little.
	When this is what's up.
	Like, it's just so...
	It's, like, absurd.
	And...
	The amount of, like, greenwashing and, like, eco-washing and, like...
	I mean...
	There is something to be said for that.
	There are legal avenues where we can hit them where it hurts, but we have to be aware of this kind of stuff.
	And I know it's complicated, but like I've said a million times before, draw a diagram.
	Make a little list for yourself.
	Draw some pictures.
	Like, you can't draw?
	That's fine.
	Make a circle, write a thing in it.
	It's manageable and you can't understand it.
	And there are people at the local level that can agitate and get things.
	Because there is change that can happen.
	We just have to understand the leverage we have.
	And you're not appealing to someone's better nature.
	Just assume it's not there.
	Assume they're like a venal monster.
	And you have to.
	And the thing is, they might change your mind.
	But also just caring.
	There's a lot of like, oh, I feel so bad, but what can I do?
	Don't buy a new iPhone.
	Also, we can recycle Coltan and Cobalt.
	It's just cheaper to To exploit the workers.
	To exploit the whole-ass Congo and the whole-ass Rwandans and the whole-ass Burundi.
	It's not that it's not possible, it's just cheaper.
	And it fucking blows my mind.
	That is never, ever...
	Recycling battery guts is never a part of the conversation.
	It would also take all those batteries out of landfill.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It is a capitalistic policy choice, much like people going hungry.
	Yeah.
	And it's short-sighted.
	It's wildly short-sighted.
	There are children starving in this country today, and nobody can tell me that's not just a policy choice, because it is.
	There are hungry kids living on my fucking street right now.
	And the thing is, just giving them a pile of money once is also bad.
	Yeah.
	The thing is, the chunks of money given to the certain people.
	What the fuck are we doing?
	Like, what the fuck are we doing?
	Because the same thing with, like, smash the gangs.
	You could smash the gangs by giving people, like, spending either the same – it's usually less money if you just have, like, job programs where – Job programs or even just give the fucking money to the people, you know?
	Well, but the thing is, I don't necessarily agree with that because, like, throwing money at a problem is also how we got here.
	Because you just got to raise the money and then heave it at a problem and then the problem is fixed.
	Fucking that hasn't, much like Christianity, not a great plan either.
	What you need to do is to put a plan in place where you have support for, like if workers want to, because like most of the like, quote, like the gangs, right?
	Like so most of the people that are being exploited, but that's another thing that fucking blows my mind.
	Like the people that are being exploited by human traffickers have to pay.
	Tens of thousands of dollars or pounds.
	It's not like they don't fucking have money.
	They could buy a plane ticket and instead spend all that money establishing themselves and working and contributing to the economy.
	Instead, they are giving it to the traffickers who have no incentive to take care of it necessarily.
	It is a Yeah.
	But it's everybody.
	That's the thing is you don't know.
	You could have a responsible person who cares about helping people or you could have an absolute monster who will leave you in a desert to die.
	And you don't know.
	Instead, it could be pennies on the dollar for what is getting expended.
	So then who is benefiting from this money?
	And it's security firms, and it is political glad-handing, and it is jamming so much money to the top so then they can do more bullshit like this.
	It's fucking a nesting doll of money laundering schemes, and we should not be here.
	There is no, like, human reason why we should be here.
	And I just...
	I fucking smelled it.
	I knew I smelled a fucking rat in the Rwanda plan.
	And I know it's funny because it was so crazy.
	But those crazy stories, much like, you know, a lot of, like, CIA, like, oh, this is so stupid.
	They spent all this money on just, like, whatever, on this one brothel where a guy watched people in a...
	Like, it's so...
	These types of insidious plans benefit from the absurdity whenever they're, like, painted in a clownish way in the public conception.
	You know, and it kind of, yeah, it puts a kind of comical veneer on something that's actually quite sinister underneath.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Mock the weak, but also call your congressman.
	Like, show up at their fucking door.
	And frankly, I love to...
	I'd love to take it.
	Can we do that, too?
	Like, that's the thing.
	It's like, mock the week and your solicitor, whatever.
	You know, like, and your counsel.
	Yeah.
	Can we do both?
	Do both.
	I'd love it.
	Do both.
	You'd be great at it.
	You know?
	And anyway, so that's...
	Yeah, that's...
	I forgot what we were...
	Because we were kind of scrambling on what to do for this week.
	And I forgot about this Rwanda plan thing that I dug into.
	And I'm glad that I have a place to put it.
	And then we know.
	And we can talk about it.
	And so whenever you hear me say money laundering, this is what I mean.
	And it's a labor issue.
	Organized.
	Yeah.
	And if you work for a company that's ruining the planet or you're supporting them financially in any way...
	Just think about an alternative.
	You don't have to stop today.
	I'm a reasonable human being.
	Like, yes, I am a pinko commie, but I'm also a reasonable person at the same time.
	Figure out ways to do it less.
	Because BDS is also working.
	That's one thing that, like, I was also going to talk about in a long time.
	But, like, BDS is working.
	It does work.
	It has worked.
	Boycott.
	Just boycott.
	You don't have to give your money to this.
	Yeah, for sure.
	And I also don't think you want to.
	You probably don't want to.
	Anyway, crazy story though, right?
	Nuts, bananas.
	Apples, grapes, pears, peaches, mangoes.
	All of it.
	Nutty.
	Nutty!
	Don't buy the iPhone 16. Please.
	Okay, and that is it.
	I hope it was all instructive and fun and we all learned a thing or two.
	We hope to see you all Sunday for the live stream.
	That's this Sunday, December 15th at 8pm GMT, 2pm CST. Please do come and hang out.
	And for anyone who can't make it, we'll see you next week when we're back to our regularly scheduled content.
	And the recording will, of course, be up on the Patreon as well.
	In the meantime, everybody, take care of yourselves and each other.
	Thank you very much for sticking with us.
	We love you.
	Bye!
	Someone's still dead.
	Who's still dead this week?
	I'm going to say Margaret Thatcher, because fuck her.
	Margaret Thatcher's still dead.
	Hey!
	That's not win-win-win.
	That's lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie.

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