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Nov. 28, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #87 - Lara Logan's Satanic Panic

Former journalist Lara Logan came on Stay Free to discuss the ten commandments of journalism, the global cult, and Satan. Support us on Patreon and watch/listen to Off Brand! Buy an On Brand magnet made by Lauren!

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	So what's your good thing?
	My good thing is, it's another musical one.
	Opeth have a new album out.
	Prog metal band Opeth.
	The Last Will and Testament new album came out.
	The other day, and it's, um, so, like, a little backstory on Opeth is, like, around 2008, like, they kind of, they used to do, like, much heavier kind of music, um, with, like, growling and screaming and that kind of stuff.
	And then after 2008, they kind of basically stopped doing that, um, for the next, like, four albums and leaned towards what my friend Zoe affectionately describes as granddad prog.
	Which is like, I don't know, imagine like modern iterations of a slightly wankier Rush and you're most of the way there.
	Huh.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think there's even different versions of Grandad Prague.
	Sure.
	It doesn't sound like Rush to me, but maybe I'm...
	Sure, sure.
	And also in a mostly opeth-less existence, so...
	Fair, fair, fair.
	I don't even know if I've heard it now that I'm thinking about it.
	Yeah, I think that maybe I had, but that might have been before 2008. Because I'm an old?
	I played an Opeth track, or at least one, on one of the early Music Is Nice things that we did, but it was an older track that was heavier from back then.
	Anyway...
	So yeah, they spent four albums wanking around in the prog side of things and maintaining very clean vocals, whereas now this album has been what's described as many as a return to form for Opeth.
	They've come back with the heavy stuff and the growly vocals and everything.
	And it's real good.
	That's all I have to say about it.
	It's really good.
	It's very nice.
	I'm very satisfied.
	Very, very good stuff.
	Cool.
	Yeah, it's cool.
	It's cool, yeah.
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	Phew, this week.
	Russell has been more or less back on his bullshit, throwing great reset conspiracy theories around and fear-mongering over a potential World War III. From my perspective, it's been almost a little bit of a return to the regularly scheduled programming of Stay Free, which...
	I'm very conflicted by the fact that I feel comforted by that.
	I'm like, oh, that's new.
	That's weird.
	Okay.
	I'm kind of making my peace with that.
	Is he still in Florida?
	He's still in Florida.
	Oh, okay.
	So he's hitting his stride while working overseas.
	Yeah.
	Yes, yes, indeed, indeed.
	But, you know, it's very much like post-election.
	Okay, what was this show about again?
	Oh, yeah, we do these things.
	Okay.
	Yeah, otherwise, this week did include another interview with Neil Oliver.
	And behind the scenes on Break Bread with Russell Brand, Jack Posobiec came on to discuss Christianity.
	Oh!
	Yeah, yet again, I was baffled by just how boring a white supremacist can be while talking into a microphone.
	Like, if you're gonna be a hateful piece of shit, at least be interesting about it, you know?
	That's a memory problem, dog.
	I don't know what to tell you at this point.
	They might have a pill for that.
	I don't know.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Anyway, that brings us to what we will be covering this week, and it's a rare one.
	We have a female guest who we have mentioned and seen briefly on this show, but this is her first appearance on Stay Free Proper, and as ever, I will let Russell make the introduction.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for this very unique, spectacular, and magnificent conversation with Lara Logan.
	Do you know who Lara Logan is?
	She was once a treasured and adored debutante, clutched to the bosom of CNN, hosting 60 Minutes, adored and devout.
	She's experienced some extraordinary trauma, things that sort of are staggering and difficult to believe.
	I'm not saying I don't believe her.
	I do actually believe my guest thinks she's telling the absolute truth.
	But for someone to have such insights on independent media, on centralised media, and above all else, the potential manoeuvring of occultist forces within political and secular spaces is...
	Undeniably fascinating.
	You can see why on X she's much adored and admired by the likes of Musk himself, and I believe this is someone that will continue to inform and change the conversation.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Lara Logan, who we last saw briefly at Rescue the Republic, introducing Russell by saying something to the effect of she'd be baptized by him in his underwear any time.
	Lauren, you seem familiar with Lara Logan.
	What do you know about that?
	Oh, that was just...
	I mean, it's...
	Okay.
	I mean, we've already talked about her.
	So like, and we talked about her with the, you know, live thing.
	I just, I'm mostly amazed that Russell's like, she's been through things and I like, he made a really big kind of like show of like, I believe her.
	We should assume that unless you specifically tackle not believing someone in the interview.
	Yeah.
	She's coming on your show.
	Yeah.
	That's you saying like this.
	It's just, I've been listening to, especially ever since like, you know, we had Thomas and Lydia on an episode and Thomas is like, I want to diagram one of his sentences one time to see what, like I say sentences, paragraphs.
	But I've been listening for Russell making a lot out of nothing and sounding like...
	Just talking for the sake of talking.
	We assume you believe a person unless you specifically push back.
	That's what integrity is, is the person on your show.
	It's kind of implied.
	Unless you're there to push back...
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's like, I believe her.
	Like, yeah, you booked her.
	Yeah, man.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Yes, yeah, exactly.
	Unless you're going to vehemently disagree in the interview, let's assume that you agree with the things that you are platforming.
	Yeah, unless you're the Axios guy interviewing Trump that gave us the most amazing confusion meme.
	Like, it's like, what the?
	Yeah, like, a human meme.
	Right, like, unless you're doing that, like, especially as far as, like, Russell's content, and also you've worked with her, like, the relationship is, like, I don't know.
	I mean, maybe I'm just grasping at anything real to know because they just lie so much.
	Yeah, we can assume.
	The trauma that he's referencing specifically was an essay case in the Middle East in like 2012-ish, I think, that was, you know, kind of a big deal at the time.
	Which, yeah, does get kind of brought up on the show, but we're not going to cover it because there's nothing interesting to say around it.
	Just like, oh yeah, that was a terrible thing that happened.
	But they did cover it, is what you're saying.
	Yes, it does get brought up.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But Lara Logan also makes a series of, let's say...
	Less provable claims in this episode.
	And so to have a blanket, I do believe, my guest, it is good to also have that as a broad thing.
	It's also a vague way to say, like, I believe...
	Victims.
	I believe survivors.
	I believe women.
	And you're like, about aliens?
	Like, what are we talking about?
	Exactly.
	You have specifically told us how you don't believe women several times, Russell.
	Oh, so maybe you did have to specify because you usually don't.
	And my point that I was making is entirely moot.
	But again, I'm just looking at what's happening and figuring stuff out as best I can.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, entirely fair.
	So for those not in the know, Lara Logan was once a legit, like, respected journalist, much the same way Matt Taibbi was, though I would actually probably give more credit to Lara's career and credentials.
	So she was born in Durban, South Africa in 1971 and worked at a bunch of South African networks before going freelance in the 90s and then working for Fox, CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN.
	And she was reporting on things like the 98 US embassy bombings in Nairobi and Tanzania and then the conflict in Northern Ireland and the war in Kosovo.
	And days after the 9-11 attacks, she asked to clerk at the Russian embassy in London to get her a visa to travel to Afghanistan.
	And then in November, while in Afghanistan working for GMTV, which is a British morning show, she infiltrated the American-British-backed Northern Alliance and interviewed their commander, General Babajan, at the Bagram Air Base.
	And then after that, CBS News offered her a full-fledged correspondent position in 2002.
	And she spent a lot of the next four years reporting from the battlefield, including war zones in Afghanistan and Iraq, usually embedded with the US Armed Forces.
	And then she would also interview famous people and explorers and shit like Robert Ballard, who discovered the wreck of the Titanic.
	A lot of reports she did were for 60 Minutes 2. She was also a regular contributor to the CBS Evening News, the early show, and Face the Nation.
	And then in February 2006, CBS News named Lara Logan as their chief foreign affairs correspondent.
	So, you know...
	Big deal.
	High up.
	She stayed there until 2013. And what happened after?
	We'll get to that.
	But suffice to say, she was a legit journalist who did genuinely good work in the early 2000s.
	And nonetheless, the things she says in this interview prompted Russell to have to say up top, I do believe my guest, actually.
	You know, which says something.
	Yeah.
	So let's get into the opening question.
	You know, at the same moment when we first started the show, like, why is he saying CIA and 9-11 so much?
	And I was like, oh, that's part of Russell's, like, canon.
	No, that was just the guest.
	Like, he was just saying these things with conviction.
	Which, like, fine, if that's how you record an intro and that's how you want to do it.
	That's fine.
	And that's, like, that's on me for making a mountain out of a molehill.
	But still, there is a degree of, like, you're just saying stuff.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay.
	Mm-hmm.
	You're just saying things.
	All right.
	You know, like, it's hard.
	And it's a hard balance that we struggle.
	We talk about it as, like, taking things seriously, but then also, like, not taking things too seriously, but then still, I'm just trying to...
	Yeah, sometimes it's difficult to know where to draw the line between those two things.
	Or just making a note.
	A little asterisk.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we're going to get into the opening question, and we're just going to hear the question because it's a bramble of a question to open things.
	Now, we've sort of seen it again in 2024. Prior to Trump's second election, the conversations I was having with people in this space were, do you think that since 2016, centralized authority, whether it's the censorship industrial complex or big tech platforms or governments using groups like CRISP or logically AI, have found ways to manage online communications that will mean that in 2024...
	Kamala Harris will be victorious rather than Trump.
	Now, obviously now we know the answer to that question.
	What does that tell us about how independent media and social media are likely to align going forward?
	And what is likely to be the impact Politically, are we going to see increasing attempts to censor?
	Or are we going to see new political movements emerge out of social media?
	I'm not sure if you're familiar with that guy, Thidious, who's a member of the European Parliament, who's like a social media star that got elected into the European Parliament.
	They're just all like, okay, guys, this is the budget.
	And he just tells you transparently stuff.
	He's been on my show.
	He's a fantastic young man.
	I just wonder what we've learned about the limits Of centralized power, whether it's state or media, and what you envisage as an independent journalist yourself, having had experiences in mainstream media, having been a denizen of that world, and a decorated journalist within that world.
	How do you feel it's going to unfold with the recent victory of Trump MAGA? What do you envisage evolving from this situation?
	Okay, so just a quick aside, Phidias is not a fantastic young man.
	He's at best a seemingly amoral opportunist being propped up by Elon Musk, and we covered him back in episode 71 of our show.
	Otherwise, yeah, what we have here is a classic broad bramble of a question from Russell, whereas it's essentially whoever's answering gets to pick and choose what bits they want to talk about, which is a terrible interviewing technique, but what the interviewee chooses to answer will usually tell us something.
	Or none!
	Or none and they just get to say anything.
	Also a possibility.
	So for a recap, the options from that question were what?
	Information management in online spaces, independent media, the political impact of alt-right media, the potential for new political movements, potential attempts at censorship from the globalists, and limits of- Media spaces, if she knows videos.
	Your experiences, what you think is going to happen, there's so much.
	So let's see where Lara decides to take it.
	She talks for a good 10 minutes, so I'm going to dive into the middle where she's talking about the legacy media.
	And we start out from an almost reasonable place.
	They had what is known as information dominance.
	And you could see that because every tactic that they used...
	Was successful.
	So when they said Trump was a white supremacist, which wasn't any more true in 2016 or 20 or 24, right?
	Why did it work in 2017, 18, 19, 20?
	And it didn't work in 2024 because they no longer had information dominance.
	And what was the spear?
	Well, you know, Elon Musk taking over Twitter then gave up one of the most important weapons in the information battle space because it's so vast.
	And it reaches people and it gave such a voice.
	But that wasn't all.
	I mean, as you pointed out, it was yourself, quite frankly.
	Yourself, Joe Rogan, all these other podcasters who are able to amass huge audiences, but not just audiences, right?
	Because it's one thing if you're in the echo chamber, when you're on social media, the reason you keep getting the same information or similar stories or things that appeal to you and your ideology is because the algorithms are written to create what's called feedback loops.
	So I may think if I'm a Trump supporter, oh, Trump's doing great because in my feedback loop, everything positive about Trump.
	Or if I'm a Harris supporter, I'm getting the same thing in my feedback loop.
	But somewhere in between that is the truth.
	Well, how do you break that information dominance?
	You do it with people like Russell Brand.
	You do it with people like Joe Rogan.
	You do it with people like RFK Jr. Because their audience is not the mega base.
	Mm-hmm.
	Okay, so I would say her assessment of, like, the social media situation in this very isolated context is broadly correct in that, like, yes, we are funneled into echo chambers via social media, which is one of the reasons that, for instance, some people on the left expressed surprise at the recent election results, you know, and, like, that is a problem that probably needs addressing.
	I disagree, however, that the way to fix it is with people like Russell Brand and RFK Jr., Alt-right media figures with huge influence, seemingly zero moral values, and absolutely zero editorial responsibility is not the way to fix any problem.
	And as a journalist, Lara Logan should know that and be very much aware.
	Instead, she's very thrilled that Russell and Rogan and whoever else have managed to break the information dominance, as she puts it, of the legacy media.
	Hmm.
	Okay, well.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I did kind of like her saying that the claim that Trump is a white supremacist is no more true in 2024 than it was in 2016. Like, it's not more true necessarily, but it's at least the same amount of true.
	Yes.
	Nice.
	Yes, it's the same amount of true that Trump was one then and still is one now.
	Yeah, more evidence in the affirmative doesn't make it more true.
	If we're talking true-false, that's a 50-50.
	Exactly.
	Water is wet.
	It can't get more wet.
	Right, yes.
	That was no more true in 2016 than it is now.
	So Lara continues her thought here.
	And again, you know, this being isolated into echo chambers and feedback loops on social media is a problem and can lead to an inaccurate picture of reality.
	Their audience goes beyond.
	So what do they want?
	They want Lara Logan...
	Never to be heard by anyone who's libertarian or independent or open-minded.
	You can be a Democrat.
	Just be open-minded.
	You want to know the truth about, you know, child trafficking, which is something I cover a lot.
	Well, how do we keep you isolated from Laura Logan so you never hear the truth?
	So this is the most simple example I can give you.
	If you were a Trump supporter in 2020, you saw the visible, physical, image of That was a manifestation of his support base.
	So you knew when the 2020 election results happened, you knew it was a lie.
	You knew before it went to court.
	You knew before the experts got on TV and yelled at you.
	You knew before the Justice Department started criminalizing it.
	You knew it was a lie because you knew that a guy doesn't get elected from his basement when he's drawing circles around the eight people at his rally and someone else who's churning out crowds of 30, 40, 50, 60,000 during COVID is the more popular candidate.
	But if you were living in that Biden world, it made perfect sense to you.
	You know why?
	You never saw a Trump crowd.
	You never saw a Trump rally because they stopped covering it.
	And not only did they do that, look at a person like Candace Owens.
	Candace was phenomenally successful.
	And in 2020, she got taken off Facebook.
	And not only did she get taken off Facebook, but her emails were blocked.
	Her text messages were blocked.
	Why?
	Because the email companies and the tech companies and the phone companies, they all got together.
	And in what is basically a seditious conspiracy, they agreed to block people whose voices they didn't want heard to maintain information dominance.
	But when Elon Musk or Twitter that was over, it was done.
	Okay.
	So, on the one hand, she's saying that these social media echo chambers are a problem.
	On the other hand, Elon Musk is great for taking over X and turning it into a neo-Nazi echo chamber.
	And also, Trump supporters knew the 2020 election result was a lie because they saw the turnout at the Trump rallies.
	What I'm saying is Lara Logan might not be examining both sides of this particular issue.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Go ahead.
	The media have never stopped covering Trump's rallies.
	By God, I wish they would.
	But they never have.
	It's been a persistent annoyance for nine years and will continue being an annoyance until a McDonald's chicken nugget finally clogs one of his arteries and puts us all out of our misery.
	There was, however, one piece of news I took from that clip.
	And supposedly Candace Owens was taken off Facebook in 2020 and her emails and mobile phone were blocked in a seditious conspiracy by the tech companies.
	Which was like, oh, I didn't know that.
	Cool.
	Me neither!
	Yeah, it's new.
	It's good.
	Journalists bringing me news, right?
	So, firstly, I don't think Lara knows what sedition means, because it's conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch, and she seems to be a big fan of that.
	But alright, sure, there was a conspiracy by the tech companies to take Candace Owens down.
	In reality, Candace was temporarily suspended from Facebook in 2019 because she posted, quote, Black America must wake up to the great liberal hoax.
	White supremacy is not a threat.
	Liberal supremacy is, unquote.
	And after reviewing the content, Facebook determined it hadn't violated their policies and reinstated the account within a day.
	Candace has been repeatedly temporarily suspended from YouTube and Twitter in the pre-Musk days for saying similarly shitheaded things, often to a worse degree, but she's never been fully banned from any social media site.
	And she will keep on trying, because as mentioned the last time she was on, part of her brand is the need to play the victim.
	It's essential to her.
	As it stands, however, Candace Owens has never had her emails or mobile phone blocked or cancelled, because that would be fucking absurd.
	And if she had, we would have all known about it the moment it happened.
	And in fact, her and Russell had a conversation on this very show about how Russell needed her new number so they could resume texting.
	So, yeah, it's just...
	Well, it's over-dramatizing.
	Okay.
	Right, right.
	You sign the terms and conditions.
	You sign the terms and conditions.
	There are community guidelines.
	Boo fucking hoo.
	You violated them.
	And that's not to say that that's a correct...
	Like, it's not evenly applied.
	It is not a fail-safe.
	But just...
	Needs to be said.
	Because I guess if she's saying that, like, blocking all her emails and communication, like, maybe on Messenger?
	And maybe...
	Guys, everybody, let's have fun.
	Maybe Candace Owens only used Facebook Messenger to communicate with everyone.
	And Laura Yep.
	Maybe.
	That's the only position that like that's the that is the situation where this would be true.
	Now, if it's like I.
	OK, and I'm not a good example, but like if I had to rely on Facebook Messenger for all my communication, I don't even know.
	It'd be terrible.
	I can't do it.
	It's a mess.
	Y'all get bots like crazy?
	My DMs on all the metas are unusable.
	Mm-hmm.
	Drop shipping bots that want to take from me.
	That's literally, like, because I make stuff online.
	Maybe that's just me.
	Sound off in the comments, please.
	Am I crazy?
	I don't get so much of that, but yeah, other people might, so let us know.
	Well, the Louder Than Crowder guy was like, my DMs don't work anymore.
	Use my email.
	And then one of the dudes that does photography was like, oh, I knew exactly what I was talking about.
	But then whenever I describe this to other people, they're like, oh, that sounds terrible.
	Why does that happen?
	And then the person that has their own kind of creative business that they have to advertise online, they're like, oh, yeah.
	So maybe it is an echo chamber moment that I'd like to share with everybody.
	Sounds terrible.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It would be, as a public figure, that would be impossible for Candace Owens.
	For Candace Owens to try and just use her Facebook DMs, that would be insane.
	So the only potential claim that Laura Logan could possibly tangentially be making, wow, at the absolute best, terrible business decision.
	Yeah, right.
	In essence, while criticizing echo chambers in social media, Lara Logan is repeating exclusively alt-right conspiracy theories that are perpetuated in her specific echo chamber.
	It's a very specific level of irony.
	So, next, she has some feelings about principles within journalism.
	And just a forewarning to everyone, this does get a little graphic towards the end.
	But now with the rise of citizen journalism, this is the one thing that I would say to you.
	And I would ask, this is probably the most important thing for me right now.
	I am an old school journalist in the sense that I believe in principles of journalism.
	And I believe that without principles, every time you create a space, these people, this darkness will fill that space.
	And so citizen journalism is hugely important, but it's kind of anchorless right now.
	They're not investing in beat journalism.
	They're not investing in other journalists because most citizen journalists are just struggling to survive.
	You know, I know every day is a daily struggle for me to survive.
	And I have, you know, every journalism award, almost every award in existence, I already have, and many of them multiple times.
	So I'm a known entity, and people have that sense of my history as a real journalist.
	But what if you're a young kid trying to make it today?
	You know, you can't send a young kid down to Aurora, Colorado, which has been taken over by Trenderago, one of the most violent cartels in the world, and ask them to go around the building asking people, are you a member of the cartel?
	And when everyone tells you no, Then you say, oh, well, it's not true.
	There's no Trenderagua.
	There's no cartel activity in Aurora, Colorado.
	Well, absolutely there is.
	But all those people are lying to you because the moment you leave, the cartel is going to, quite frankly, murder their children in front of them and then bleed them out slowly, right?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	So, journalism needs solid principles in order to stay on the right path, but also Lara is going to repeat the widely debunked claim that Aurora, Colorado has been taken over by a Venezuelan cartel.
	That is insane!
	Aurora, Colorado!
	Sound off in the comments!
	It's that one apartment building, right?
	Yes, it's exactly that.
	It's the same lie that Donald Trump repeated loudly on Lex Friedman's podcast and then even louder on the debate stage opposite Kamala Harris.
	But, aha, according to Lara Logan, if you just ask the people of Aurora, Colorado, whether the city's been taken over by the cartel, of course they're going to say no, because otherwise their children will be slaughtered in front of them.
	So actually, there must be cartel activity in Aurora, Colorado, because everyone's saying that there isn't any.
	Some grade-A journalism happening right in front of us.
	That's what's going down here.
	Are we going to talk about that actual thing at all?
	Right.
	I wasn't planning on it particularly.
	It's just...
	Oh, just an overview.
	It's been widely covered, but also, like, I mean, just a refresher, because it was a while ago.
	Basically, like, there were tenants that were going to be evicted.
	Like, evicted probably because they were organizing for better, like, living conditions.
	Yeah, they were really concerned about trash piling up and a rat problem, if memory serves.
	Like, that was...
	Yeah, they were living in and paying for, by the way, lodging, housing that was not legal.
	It was condemnable property because the slumlord in charge of everything was letting everything just go into a criminal amount of disrepair and then blaming the tenants for it because you can blame poor people for anything in this country and people believe it.
	Venezuelan gangs have taken over Aurora, Colorado, which is insane.
	It's basically tenants unionizing, like it's a tenant union, asking for mold and bugs to not kill them or maim them and have a place to live that's safe.
	The way this story spun out of control blows my mind.
	So hearing it from this person...
	Yeah.
	Double blows my mind.
	We're still doing that?
	We're still on that?
	Yes.
	Well, Lara Logan is anyway.
	I don't know if anyone else is.
	But she's pretty insistent that because people are saying there aren't any cartel members, there must be cartel members there.
	In other news, Lara has received almost all of the journalism awards in existence.
	Some of them multiple times.
	So I had to look this up after she said that.
	So she has won some awards.
	So from 2004 to 2011, she received the American Women in Radio and Television Gracie Award, the David Kaplan Award from the Overseas Press Club, the David Bloom Award, the Daniel Pearl Award, and the National Press Club's John Obuchan Press Freedom Award.
	Now, I'm not going to knock her achievements, because I'm sure she worked hard for those awards and was deserving of them at that time.
	And it's not a small thing, right?
	However, that's five awards.
	None of them won multiple times.
	I did a brief check of just the US-based journalism awards Lara would have been eligible for through her career, and there are at least 80, including the Pulitzer and Peabody Awards, the most famous journalism awards, I would say.
	Neither of us has won.
	Yeah!
	I feel like she would have cited that directly, because people usually do.
	Kind of a big deal.
	Yeah, big deal, right?
	Yeah, neither of which she's won.
	And she has also, of course, been eligible for awards in South Africa and the UK, given that she was freelance for a long time, but also didn't win any of those.
	Again, her five awards are not nothing, and she has every right to be proud of them, but Lara Logan has not won almost every journalism award in existence, and has not won any more than once.
	So there we are.
	That's a crazy thing to say about yourself.
	That is so...
	Don't make claims that are so easily Google-able, you know?
	It's so narcissistically grand.
	It's so grandiose.
	You can list them if you got them, but also, why are you saying that?
	You won an award a while ago.
	That ain't for shit you're saying now.
	So, work it out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And it's fine, like, introduce yourself as an award-winning journalist.
	Fine, I'm fine with that, but yeah, don't take this next step of lying.
	Those awards also had fact-checkers, and, like, that was a team of people that got her there.
	That's not, like, that's one thing I did want to say, and, I mean, if you're not watching, you don't know what she looks like.
	She's just like a, you know, she's a presentable blonde lady.
	She looks like a legit, like, A-tier real housewife.
	From the shows.
	Like, she could easily be, like...
	Okay, yeah.
	And it's a little messed, like, she's like the rich version of my favorite stepmom, so it's throwing me a little bit, because I like her a lot.
	Okay.
	So it's bugging me out.
	But, like...
	That's a weird thing to say, but it's true.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm dealing with it, guys.
	I just had to say it out loud.
	But basically, we were talking about her career earlier in the show, and she's still a famous, attractive, charismatic person.
	Yeah.
	So that can get you really far.
	And being able to present the news is not necessarily the person doing all of the reporting and the boots on the ground.
	She's not writing the whole thing, whatever.
	So...
	Without that structure, that kind of system of an actual news team and office and bank of lawyers fact-checking behind her, yeah, maybe people are different.
	Maybe people really don't...
	They need all those other accoutrements to be as reliable and truthful and rigorous, I think.
	Maybe you need all that stuff to do that.
	I think that is a fair assessment, looking at her career before and since.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Again, not to take away, right?
	We don't want to do that.
	But you've still got to be a charismatic, good-looking lady to be on TV in the 80s in South Africa.
	I understand her accent now, and that's great.
	But basically, I usually just assume South Africa if I can.
	I can't figure it out.
	And I'm usually right.
	And so that's okay.
	South Africa, I love it.
	And not to say that I'm not implicating all of you, but we found that the very famous ones, cough, Elon Musk, cough.
	Maybe you're still carrying around a little bit of apartheid in their pocket.
	Throughout their day.
	Just a little bit.
	Just a little bit, you know, just to keep them warm.
	Yeah, it seems that way.
	So this principles of journalism thing is a real issue for Laura, and it's one of the kind of main themes of the interview.
	But she has a solution for us.
	So this, you know, Russell, I never forget as a young journalist walking to my news editor's office or into a news editorial meeting.
	And literally having the shit kicked out of me by all the others because I was young and idealistic and I didn't really know what real journalism was.
	Who's doing that?
	Who's mentoring and helping and supporting citizen journalists?
	There's nobody right now.
	It doesn't exist.
	And so we as journalists, if we are real journalists, who's going to fix it?
	Who's going to make sure that what rises out of the ashes of legacy media is built on a foundation of principles?
	I wrote the Ten Commandments of Real Journalism.
	Somebody told me not to call it the Ten Commandments, but I didn't listen to them because principle, to me, principle comes directly from who we are as we were created by the Creator.
	It comes from God.
	I can send them to you if you want.
	They're very basic.
	So she's happy calling them the Ten Commandments of Journalism because we are God's creations and principles come from God, and because we were created by God, these are therefore principles, at least in part, derived from God.
	Feels blasphemous.
	She looked like...
	Okay.
	Okay.
	She looked like, because I'm looking at her face and the way that her mouth shape was, who we are as human beings is what I thought she was going, I was expecting her to say.
	That looked like what she was going to say.
	And then she said, God, instead of who we are as human beings.
	Just putting that – again, I'm letting the x-ray backscatter against the wall at me.
	I'm just letting it all hit me.
	That's what I was like – she was making the sound.
	She made the movement with her mouth.
	Who we are as human beings, which is also pretty, I'd say, not necessarily a trope, or like a, you know, not a quote you're going to put on a wall, but pretty common to say.
	It's like, who we are as human beings.
	And then she stopped.
	That's interesting.
	And then, so what you said, just to reiterate, right?
	Huh.
	Yeah.
	This is derived from God.
	So I guess, like, journalistically, she would be like the Moses of journalism in this situation, is what we're about to get at.
	Does she know about Bible rules?
	So, like, You can beat your slave as long as they don't die in three days?
	Like, that's another commandment.
	We'll get to slavery in a little bit, actually.
	Yeah, oh, great.
	Good.
	Cool.
	Yeah, just a little preview.
	Like, there's a lot of problems why basing any kind of, like, structure on the...
	If we're going to go, let's go Kota Hammurabi at least, Jesus Christ, because the Ten Commandments leave a lot out, leave a lot to be desired, we'll say.
	That's not the time or the area even of the Bible where I'd want to find rules for modern living, as I just explained.
	Okay.
	Nope.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Most of the first parts of the book seem not great for that.
	Great.
	So basically, yeah, Laura Logan has decided that there aren't enough people kicking the shit out of these citizen journalists like she had the shit kicked out of her when she, literally, apparently.
	So she's created these Ten Commandments, you know, to help keep people on the straight and narrow.
	Would you like to hear the Ten Commandments of Journalism as derived from God?
	I mean, she got jumped by everyone in her news team, so she's earned it.
	Right.
	Repeatedly.
	Were guys hitting her while she was naming breakfast cereals?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Citation needed.
	All right.
	Let's hear these Ten Commandments, and while you're listening to them, have a think as to how many of the Ten Commandments Lara herself is following.
	Tell me the Ten Commandments of Principled Journalism, Lara Logan, because this, I believe, is the future of journalism, that it has to come from some universal principles.
	It can't be derived from what they call rationalism, but it's plainly the expedience of the establishment and the system.
	There's here the Ten Commandments of Proper Journalism, because this is the kind of broadcasting, streaming, that we have to do.
	It's very simple.
	Number one, journalists are not lawyers in a court of law trying to prove a case or activists campaigning for a cause.
	Our job is to seek the truth no matter what and follow the facts wherever they lead us regardless of political outcomes or consequences.
	Simple.
	Number two, it's not the role of a journalist to decide what people should think.
	Our duty is to search for the whole truth and communicate accurately and honestly so the audience or reader can make up their own mind.
	Number three, thou shalt not mislead, deceive, or lie to yourself or to the public.
	Number four, question everything.
	Only the truth stands up to questioning.
	Five, two first-hand sources are the holy grail, always better than indirect or single sources.
	Six, be as skeptical of those you like and agree with as you are of those you neither like nor trust.
	Seven, opinion and analysis have a worthy place in journalism, but are not fact and should not be presented as such.
	Eight, never underestimate the audience.
	People are not as dumb as you think and lack of familiarity with a subject should never be confused with stupidity.
	Nine, be honest with yourself and aware of your own bias.
	No one is immune.
	Ten, anonymity has an important place in protecting sources for valid reasons.
	It should not be used as cover for political corrupt or nefarious purposes, and it is up to us to be the guardians of our craft.
	No, no.
	Those are great.
	I don't see her doing any of that, but those are great.
	Yeah, there are problems.
	I wonder who actually wrote them, honestly.
	I'll be okay with AI finding that thing out.
	Where'd she steal those?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	These are the future of journalism.
	So let's go through them in order.
	Journalists are not lawyers or activists.
	They are truth seekers is kind of the idea.
	I would argue you can kind of do both.
	Like, you can present a case and back it up with unbiased facts and evidence.
	And I think, like, you know, as long as the facts and everything still point in the direction of the case you're making, I don't, you know, I don't necessarily have a problem with that.
	But, yeah.
	Well, but that's, yeah, that's not, yeah, that's not, like, having a bias.
	Just saying, like, you can't have a bias.
	Like, don't be an activist and don't be a lawyer.
	You're not...
	Yeah.
	Because lawyers are presenting one side and setting themselves up to win as best as they possibly can.
	And activists especially, like, kind of want to bring attention to causes that are not getting attention.
	And often that involves anecdotal and not necessarily statistical information.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's kind of hard stuff.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, or it's also just, like, maybe a less, like, numbers that don't show up on a spreadsheet, you know, in a statistical spreadsheet, but are verifiable, consistent experiences within an unrepresented community or, like, a minority of some kind.
	Advocating for a minority of some kind, right?
	Right, right.
	Sure.
	So, yeah, that's not the journalist's job.
	Yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	That's fine.
	So, two, it's not the role of journalists to decide what people should think.
	Sure.
	It's also worth mentioning.
	Laura Logan worked at Fox News and Newsmax for a good few years in the last decade.
	Unrelated.
	Unrelated issue.
	Yeah.
	Do as I say, not as I do.
	That's what she's doing.
	Three, thou shalt not...
	These great ideas over here is what she's listed.
	Right.
	Right.
	Thou shalt not mislead, deceive, or lie to yourself or the public.
	And there's a problem there, because most people don't know if or when they're lying to themselves, you know?
	And then that lie to themselves can become a bigger lie if it then gets told to the public and everything else, you know?
	And so, like, how are you supposed to check that one?
	That feels difficult.
	Whoa, wait, whoa, whoa.
	You can look it up.
	That's...
	No, no, it's in, like, if you're lying to yourself, like, and you don't know that you're lying to yourself, you know, how are you supposed to kind of keep checking that one?
	Google helps!
	Sure, sure.
	Google, just be skeptical!
	Yeah, which leads us to number four, right?
	Which is question everything.
	Only the truth stands up to questioning.
	Like, yes, great.
	If actually applied, great.
	Oversimple.
	Sure, oversimple.
	Oversimple, but yes, fine.
	Five, two first-hand sources of the Holy Grail and are always better than indirect or single sources.
	Sure.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, two first-hand sources is basically the bare minimum of investigative journalism, or should be.
	Like, the tradition is a story is not confirmed until you have a second source to back something up.
	Like, that's supposed to be the idea.
	So, yes.
	Six, be as skeptical of those you like and agree with as those you dislike.
	And again, good advice, but can we circle back to the whole Venezuelan cartel situation or the 2020 election or the Candace Owens business?
	Yeah, she's not doing it.
	Yeah, it feels like it's not being applied!
	She's not doing it.
	But start with yourself!
	Genuinely, start with yourself.
	As far as, like, you can't lie to yourself if you're checking out, like, if you're like, even entertaining the idea, I'm like, I could...
	I could be telling myself a little fib.
	The only time that's bad is when you reinforce that fib rather than rectify the misunderstanding.
	Don't double down.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Start with you.
	Seven, opinion and analysis shouldn't be presented as fact.
	Yep, and I guess Russell is out of a show.
	Oh wait, he's a comedian, so it's fine.
	Doesn't count.
	Sorry, I forgot.
	Actor.
	Or comedian.
	Actor.
	Or author.
	Depends on the day.
	Broadcaster.
	Commentator.
	Yeah.
	Eight, never underestimate the audience and essentially don't mistake ignorance for stupidity.
	Yes, agreed.
	Completely.
	Nine, be honest with yourself and aware of your own bias.
	And again, coming from Lara Logan, this was like being slapped with a wet fish.
	But yes, agreed.
	Try and have that self-awareness.
	And yeah, that last one seems important when it comes to Russell.
	Anonymity has an important place for protecting sources and shouldn't be used as cover for political corrupt or nefarious purposes.
	but of course who gets to decide what is cover and what is politically corrupt or nefarious purposes after all like russell's victims used pseudonyms and remained anonymous to the public when coming forward about his crimes against them and that was considered a big media takedown exacerbated by anonymous sources used against him despite the lengthy investigation that maintained an audit trail and went through several editorial boards and legal teams with corroboration and confirmation
	of stories from multiple sources also happening on the other hand whenever matt taibi or michael schellenberger use anonymous sources single anonymous sources russell is all too happy to use them and spread the bullshit far and wide despite neither taibi nor schellenberger being held to literally any editorial standards whatsoever um So, yeah, it's like, I agree with the principle, but again, we have this problem of, like, who's going to be the judge of that?
	Because if it's Russell or Laura Logan, we're going to be in trouble, you know?
	It is crazy to hear these people really enthusiastically agreeing, especially, yeah, with that last one, when neither of them do that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Like, oh, you can present yourself however you want.
	But you don't have to live it for a second, obviously, because that's what we're...
	Cool.
	We wouldn't have a show if they did.
	Hypocrisy doesn't matter even a little bit at all.
	You just get to say whatever.
	You just get to say, yeah, oh yeah, no, I take that really seriously.
	I take listening to people and take it really seriously.
	You don't!
	Definitely don't.
	You didn't do it probably earlier in this record.
	You're probably going to not do it later in this record.
	Right?
	Come on.
	So, next Lara tells us about, funnily enough, an anonymous source she has who deals with child trafficking stuff.
	And I spoke, I know a very interesting man.
	Someone who doesn't do interviews, so you probably never get to talk to him.
	Certainly not publicly.
	But, this is a very serious man.
	And he spent many years underground training to infiltrate the global cult.
	And when I ask him the kind of questions that you're asking, and I ask some simpler questions, like, tell me, explain this violence against children to me.
	I want to understand it.
	And he always says to me, Lara, you're not looking at it the right way.
	You're not asking the right question.
	And I said, what do you mean?
	And he said, because if you're trying to understand the mindset of the people who are implementing this, who are using technology for these reasons, who are pushing this ideology, whether it's trans ideology or whatever it happens to be, they are not concerned with you or me.
	They don't care about human beings.
	They have only one focus.
	So while the world is being led away from this one thing, they are laser-focused on it.
	And it is God.
	That's what they're focused on.
	Every single thing they do is about God.
	It is about inflicting pain and suffering and victory over God because that is how they are rewarded.
	In their world, that's how they are recognized.
	So, you know, while we wander further and further and further away from our Creator, whether it's believing that nature can exist, that the beauty and spirituality of life exists in nature, independent from God or any kind of Creator, it doesn't matter.
	You can find a million examples.
	For them, they know it's all about God.
	Aha!
	Okay.
	Does she mean the devil?
	No, it's, well...
	Is she saying that the global cabal is focused on God?
	Is it...
	Yeah, yeah.
	The global cult exists to inflict pain upon God, to claim victory over God.
	So, yes, it's about the devil, but also it's all about...
	God.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So this guy who deals with- I expected that last.
	That's the last thing I expected her to say.
	The one thing was.
	Genuine.
	I'm baffled.
	Fair.
	Fair.
	Yeah.
	So this guy who deals with child trafficking and has spent years training to infiltrate the global cult, who conveniently doesn't do interviews, by the way, says that the evil they, the cabal, the globalists, whatever you want to call them, are laser-focused on inflicting pain and suffering because that's a victory over God.
	They know that, and that is the purpose of all of it.
	And they don't need any motivation other than just being evil for the sake of getting victory over God, which, again, is also very convenient when you think about it.
	It's really easy.
	She's just saying, focus on God, and then we have to assume that part, and that's crazy.
	She said victory over God.
	She got there, okay.
	She does also expand on this a little bit.
	Right, right, right.
	But yeah, it is convenient because it's very easy to not have to worry about logical questions like, hey, but why would someone do this awful thing when you can just say, oh, it's because they're evil and satanic.
	Job done.
	You know?
	And yeah, it's a handy little out there.
	That they've got.
	Who's that guy?
	Tell me who the fuck that guy is.
	I know!
	I want to know so badly.
	Is it Steve Pachanek?
	You have to tell me.
	You have to tell me.
	I infiltrated the global top.
	It was Larry Nichols.
	Rest in peace.
	Back from the dead.
	So, Lara has some further thoughts on this issue, and some examples of what sort of ideologies will separate us from God.
	She already mentioned the trans ideology just before.
	Can I just say, just that sentence is really hitting hard as far as they're focused on God.
	If that was what she was trying to say, Russell would be like, hell yeah.
	That's all Russell talks about is that people in power need to be focused on God.
	Yeah.
	We are going to get to Russell's thoughts.
	Good.
	Okay.
	Yeah, he has some.
	But yeah, she's mentioned the trans ideology, which is a problem.
	So let's see what else she's got in the tank.
	And so all the things that you describe that separate us from our Creator, all the things that make us feel lost, our children, they don't know what is a gender role.
	Oh no, you can't say a gender role because that's bad.
	Except now I've lost my identity.
	I don't know what I'm supposed to do in the home.
	Or in the workplace or in society.
	Right now you've got men.
	I talk to psychiatrists who've got all these men as clients.
	They're addicted to pornography and they're shut-ins.
	They don't go out.
	They don't socialize.
	They don't interact.
	Why?
	Because they're afraid.
	They don't know what their role is anymore.
	They don't know what's expected of them.
	They don't know what's allowed.
	They don't want to overstep because essentially I do believe in the goodness and I do believe that good is greater than evil.
	They don't know what to do anymore.
	So what is that doing?
	It's isolating us further and further and further.
	Those feedback loops in the information space, those social cues that now are completely, they're in disarray and you go on and on and on.
	The punishment system that's been put in place, if you transgress, If maybe you say something you shouldn't, or believe something you shouldn't, or God forbid, do something you shouldn't, that they've deemed shouldn't be done.
	All of this is to separate us from who we are.
	Because when we know who we are, when we're centered in who we are, and what we stand for, and what we believe in, we are never closer in that moment to God.
	And what they want to separate you from, they want to separate you from that identity.
	So if you get separated from gender roles, you're separated from God.
	And the cancel culture, which seems to be what she was describing, is also designed to separate us from God.
	So basically, cancel culture and anyone going against gender roles are actually doing the work of Satan by attempting to separate us from God.
	Who knew?
	It's weird that she's not saying Satan or the devil.
	She's learned to not do that.
	She'll get to it.
	Oh, really?
	She'll get to it.
	Yep, yep, yep, yep.
	Oh, they're on Rumble now.
	I saw the little countdown, too.
	Yes, yes, indeed.
	Yeah, we came off Rumble.
	We came off YouTube quick on this one for a reason.
	Now, the nugget of truth in what she's saying is, like, there is a problem in society with people feeling lost and not feeling an identity, but it's not isolated to just men as people like Lara seem to think.
	Like, it's an issue across the board.
	It's just men are far more likely to lean towards committing violence like mass shootings because of it, and therefore the issue gets more attention.
	Plenty of other genders feel this same issue en masse, and, like, the root causes seem to be complex and most problematically difficult to resolve, but they're intertwined with late-stage capitalism, the patriarchy really fucking everyone over, political disenfranchisement, systemic bigotries, the climate crisis, and a lack of anything being done about it, etc., etc., and all of these enormous systemic problems wrapped into one can have a real effect of, like, nihilism and apathy on a person.
	Like, it's easy to say, to just look at all that and be like, well, what's the fucking point?
	When the chips are stacked so high against you, why even bother?
	What difference will it make?
	I can simplify that.
	It's toxic masculinity.
	It doesn't work for anyone, including men.
	It's toxic masculinity is making you boring and terrible.
	And you're sick of the wider world not confirming that you're perfect and you don't have to change anything.
	And you're actually great and everyone else sucks.
	That just means you're boring and awful.
	It doesn't mean instead, especially white men and men in general feel entitled to being on the top of the heap when magically, oh, well, you know.
	Well, you didn't actually do anything to get there.
	So just assuming that you get to be the best because of your birth, your lottery of birth, that's not what gets you in the most important place.
	It still kind of fucking does, by the way.
	So...
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, there's definitely a degree of, like, almost, like, privilege being infringed upon, basically.
	That's all it- That's it.
	That's how they're feeling.
	Right.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Their privilege is being eroded in some- Like, they're completely, like, fake- Okay, but genuinely- There is a myth, I think, that is being perpetuated even among like, if you're going against the MAGA, like, okay, so when was America great?
	When were men great?
	Because make men great again is another subset of that.
	It's like, oh, men used to be men.
	That is a complaint that has been happening.
	Literally, since humans could start writing it down, it probably happened before that.
	It's just one of these things that it's playing on nostalgia for a time where you're like, well, men used to be men.
	Like, nope.
	Men were always a rich tapestry of experience and ability, just like they are now.
	And you are imagining in your mind a time where you thought that the patriarchy was stable and working really well.
	But it wasn't.
	It's a fantasy that they are making of the past they want to return to that was never real.
	Yeah, it's a monolith that never existed.
	It's a fucking phantom that is projected into the past.
	Yes, that's exactly what I mean.
	That's what I said.
	The only thing that they're like...
	The only thing that's real was the outsized influence and power that white men in the patriarchal structure have had.
	And so that's the one like that's the one kernel of truth that they can kind of it's like, well, we used to have the power.
	Damn it.
	Like, it wasn't working better, I promise.
	Like, it was still making problems.
	It's still making problems.
	So it's like, it's a fantasy in a fantasy.
	Yes!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	So for anyone feeling kind of any degree of apathy or nihilism towards the broader systemic problems that I also brought up, obviously on this show we advocate for, you know, The power of individual activism and voting with your dollar, for instance, because your singular voice and vote does matter and does make a legitimate difference.
	But I definitely understand and empathize with that feeling of like, well, what's the fucking point?
	But the problem is not us being separated from God and the rejection of gender roles, like Lara Logan is trying to say.
	All that does is kind of obfuscate all of the actual larger problems that we're trying to address.
	But it's much easier to feel in control when you lay the blame on something you can immediately actively change within your own life.
	If you can be like, oh, it's because I haven't committed to my gender roles and that's why I'm depressed.
	Like that, it can feel like all of a sudden you can take control of that.
	If no one wants to fuck you, work on yourself.
	Sorry.
	And maybe your priority should be connection and valuing other human beings, not getting somebody to fuck you.
	I'd say that's kind of like, I mean, there's all this kind of discourse around, you know, it's come back around again.
	We're like, oh, the problem with men, the problem with boys.
	Like, oh, all the chips are stacked against their self-worth because of toxic masculinity.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a problem.
	You all seen Henry Zabrowski's wife?
	Work it out.
	Be interesting.
	Be fun.
	Yeah.
	Work on your own personality.
	You won't have these problems.
	Yeah.
	For real.
	Touch grass.
	Come on now.
	Yeah.
	So, the next couple of clips get pretty graphic in regards to child abuse.
	So, trigger warning here.
	The first one is bad, but the one after is grim.
	But, just so we're all aware.
	And in this one, we get a little advice from Hunter Biden's psychiatrist, as seen on Tucker Carlson's Twitter show, and then relayed by Lara Logan.
	So this is why, you know, Tucker Carlson did a great interview with Hunter Biden's psychiatrist.
	And I'll never forget that he said in that interview that they have created a mass delusion.
	And we're all being ordered to participate.
	So it doesn't matter.
	It could be the Trump's ideology.
	It could be the climate crisis.
	Whatever.
	All this, quite frankly, all this nonsense.
	If you don't participate in the mass delusion, you get punished.
	Right?
	And what is the mass delusion?
	It's separating us from reality.
	And what is greater?
	What is greater than reality than self?
	Than knowing who you are?
	And as you were what?
	As you were created and designed by your creator.
	So now we've got kids growing up thinking that it's possible for boys to have children, right?
	Men can give birth and menstruate and can chest feed as opposed to breastfeed.
	Well, when you go to the darker realm of that, Russell, If you go into the darker realm, on the dark web, and you go beyond what we see on the surface in our society, you will now find images, and I know this through the counter-trafficking work that I do and the people I work with, you will now find images of toddlers who are pregnant.
	What?
	Because this ideology is completely and utterly hedonistic and dark and evil and satanic.
	This is pure evil.
	Yeah, it's impossible.
	That's...
	Yeah, so, to be clear, people can only become pregnant after first ovulating, meaning after, you know, beginning puberty, which has been known to happen as early as, like, eight, and sometimes extremely rare...
	No.
	And sometimes in extremely rare cases, there can be a serious medical condition where children younger than six can, like, start going through puberty, which is one of the, like, that's the main reason puberty blockers were first invented, to be able to delay that.
	That's the entire fucking thing.
	Um, I don't know what fresh hellish corner of the internet Lara Logan is looking at, or whether this is possibly some AI-generated bullshit, but as a general rule, toddlers cannot get pregnant.
	But the way Lara Logan is presenting it is as though this is in fact normal in the darker parts of the internet.
	It's just full of that.
	Does she think- The film Junior is a documentary?
	Like, nope.
	I don't know, but I am starting to get a feeling for why she's not won many journalism awards lately, you know?
	She's, like, yeah, I mean, you're right.
	She's the person who's on Facebook and believes all the, like, she was made of shrimp?
	What?
	Like, she's believing all the AI stuff.
	Hey, you want to know who buys the AI stuff?
	I'm looking at it right now.
	Straight up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The other thing she did there was connect the ideas of so-called trans ideology and the climate crisis with the idea that it's all a mass delusion designed to separate us from reality and from God.
	And therefore, anyone who is positive about trans people or wants to work towards fixing the climate crisis is actually doing the work of Satan.
	That's what she was getting at.
	I need you to draw a diagram of how you think that works.
	One piece of paper.
	Simple.
	Explain like I'm five how you think that works.
	No winking.
	No nodding.
	No illusion.
	Draw a diagram on a piece of paper.
	How you think that conspiracy works.
	And if you can't, stuff it.
	Yes.
	And obviously, men with the right parts can definitely have babies, by the way.
	It's been done plenty of times.
	It's pretty well documented by this point.
	Yes, completely.
	Not new!
	No, really not new.
	Okay, so we have another clip down this subject area, and this one does get more graphic with child abuse and murder and SA, so just bear that in mind, everyone.
	It's pretty grim stuff.
	Other than that, Lara does let us know that there are people who can prevent this all happening, who are apparently actively deciding to just let it happen.
	You want to find where evil exists, and then think about what technology has done.
	It's taken every single evil person on the planet, it's given them purpose, It's given them identity.
	It's given them a home.
	It's made them rich.
	It's made them richer than ever.
	They found each other.
	They found each other and they proliferate in this dark world.
	But who runs that dark world?
	Who runs it?
	The people that sit at Erickson.
	And the tech companies, the people who host the servers that store all of this pornography, that store what they call sadistic pornography, which has a name now, called Hurtcore.
	The tech companies that know all the lines and the towers where this information that is data, it travels along those undersea cables, it hits those towers.
	It is stored by people who own government contracts, who move information and use it to control all of us, to manipulate our behavior, to get the electoral and political outcomes that they want, but also to get us to move further and further and further away from as we were created.
	Why?
	To separate us from our Creator.
	Because in separating and distancing us, they cause pain to God.
	When we use our free will to choose darkness over light and to choose Satan over God, that is a victory for them.
	And in their world, they rise and rise and rise.
	And nothing causes God more pain than the victory that they can have over hurting innocent children.
	And babies, by the way.
	Babies whose veins are cut in a particular way, so that when they're raped, you have a blood show.
	There are people that like a blood show.
	They do this to babies, toddlers, children.
	They traffic adults.
	And there are people that now make money out of that.
	And all of this technology, these companies know where this is.
	They watch the data move.
	They can stop at any time they want to, and they never do.
	Ma'am, I need you to tell me so much more.
	Again, I need a different diagram, and I need real names, dates, places.
	Yep.
	For the eagle-eyed, you can see a slightly blurry thumbs-up emoji that's come up there, which did tickle me.
	Great timing.
	Thank you.
	So, I had a thought about this whole scenario of hers.
	Because, like, in Lara Logan's conception of things, the people running the dark world are the ones who own the tech companies and host the servers that maintain all of this evil, dark stuff.
	And those companies are run by people.
	Lots of people, generally speaking.
	And supposedly, those people want to maintain and proliferate all of the evils.
	So, like...
	What I pictured in my head was like someone at Ericsson or somewhere similar like sitting there in an office just like an office drone looking at all this data coming in and being like I can see an uptick in the blood show porn.
	Good stuff.
	And then they just carry on about their day.
	Unless she's literally envisioning Evil Incorporated, I don't see how she can be making these kinds of claims.
	And yeah, as you rightly pointed out, if all of this child essay stuff and children's blood stuff is ringing a familiar bell, it's because Lara Logan has been utterly cooked by QAnon conspiracy theories.
	Just this year, Lara introduced QAnon conspiracy theorist Liz Crokin at a conference in February, and Lara told the audience she had come to realize that Pizzagate is all true.
	Alright, so that's where all of this is coming from.
	This is adrenochrome, frazzledrip.
	That's what she's describing.
	I want to know what she...
	And it doesn't help that our president said, like, described evidence, quote-unquote, that he never saw.
	So I can't necessarily blame, like, because it didn't exist.
	Right.
	Genuinely.
	Like, I cannot...
	I can't hear this from olds anymore.
	Y'all need to fucking get it together.
	Like, did you see it?
	Where was it?
	It's called evidence.
	Present it.
	Not just the notions.
	You would think a journalist would be good at presenting the evidence bit.
	Yeah.
	You know, that's who I would expect this to come from.
	And I'd be like, the pizza place didn't even have a basement.
	Yeah.
	Figure it out.
	What are we talking to?
	The guy that was crying in the pizza place that didn't have a basement was on Breaking Bread, Jack Posobiec, right?
	That's like- Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're in full-on QAnon territory here.
	Indeed we are.
	Which genuinely I think Russell would have way more fun with than Christianity, and he's going to find out real quick.
	Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool!
	Good, good, good!
	As to some of the reality of what she was talking about, Hurtcore porn, which, yeah, ridiculous name, but that is a real thing.
	And child porn obviously is a thing that exists.
	The stuff, the graphic stuff with Hurtcore, with consenting adults, isn't technically illegal in many cases, and so can be found more readily than the obviously illegal child pornography.
	But when it comes to the actual servers hosting it, it's not as simple as like, oh, the internet service providers and data companies must know about it.
	A few years ago there was a case in the US where Eric Owen Marks, 36th of Dublin, he's an Irish chap, pled guilty on February 6th, 2020 to conspiracy to advertise child pornography.
	And according to court documents, between July 2008 and July 2013, Marx operated a free anonymous hosting service located on the dark web, an area of the internet that is only accessible by means of special software, allowing users and website operators to remain anonymous or untraceable.
	Now, that is a problem, but it's a problem we've not yet found a solution for, because as long as there are advances in technology, there's at least one hacker or tech genius out there who will find a way around it, for better or for worse.
	Yeah!
	For her to say that we can see all, like, you know, the government and whoever's in charge can see all of it and it's fine.
	Just looking at the data coming in and be like, yeah, that's great.
	That's literally not at all.
	And if you have the stomach form it, If you have the stomach for it, CBC did a series, Hunting Warhead, that was, like, there are actual people, even, like, if you're familiar with the Manila McCann story, like, the very, like, beleaguered and long-suffering Interpol guy that's like, I had to do the research.
	It was horrible.
	It ruined my life.
	Like, yeah, they're trying really hard.
	To do as much as they can.
	And that also means that law enforcement has to enter these spaces and pretend to be another one because they are so effective at being insular.
	So that's just...
	So there are QAnon people that will use any law enforcement participation in trying to catch the criminals because they don't understand evidence and their reasoning is motivated and they take this...
	Things that I'm like, we should, boy, we sure can't abolish that part of investigating.
	It's really important.
	Investigating and enforcement of protecting children, protecting the public.
	Like, we need that desperately.
	It's very hard to do.
	And so even just finding bits and pieces of some information they see as clandestine, it's like that they're in on it.
	And that's not the case.
	They are trying to combat this pernicious, very difficult problem.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	We're in queueing on territory.
	Yes, absolutely.
	So, apply that to everything she has said thus far and everything she will say.
	Because genuinely, like, that's, like, I wonder if she was talking about the guy that, I don't know if he's still alive, did the remote viewing and the Getty Museum guy?
	I don't know.
	Anyway, I'm desperate to know who her old sage source or whatever is.
	Like, it's...
	Oh yeah, yeah, I would love to know.
	I would love to know.
	It's not Tim Ballard, he's not that old, right?
	Like, it's gotta be somebody else.
	No, no, I wouldn't, and Tim Ballard readily would do interviews anytime.
	So yeah, in the meantime, basically, all that shit's still illegal.
	Law enforcement are doing what they can to prevent it from happening, largely with the full involvement and support of tech companies.
	Like, nobody's looking at this and being like, yeah, great!
	You know, it's just not happening.
	Well, I mean, like, some of them aren't.
	That's the thing, is, like, it's profitable.
	Like, you can make a lot of money, and people, if, like, this is a capitalism problem.
	Like, genuinely, this is a capitalism problem.
	If it was not financially, like, extremely lucrative, because that's a lot of, like, these stories that you hear, like, why even parents get involved in this stuff, like, and exploit their own children or others' children, is...
	In part, financial desperation.
	Genuinely.
	There is so much money in it.
	It's that much more difficult to enforce because it's not just a moral question.
	It's a morally loaded financial question.
	If it was not lucrative, it would not happen.
	Not that it wouldn't happen, but there would not be an incentive if there was a business model that was...
	It's just like selling drugs or whatever.
	Drugs that'll kill people.
	Selling fentanyl.
	It doesn't make that much sense if you're just like, why are we doing – if it hurts people, you're killing your own folks.
	But there is a financial incentive and structure enough to – To perpetuate this.
	If it was just a moral question and we were really concerned with fixing the moral fabric of this pernicious, pervasive problem, then it'd be a lot easier if it wasn't also extremely lucrative.
	And it's almost impossible to just, it's not just a moral ethical question, it is also a financial one.
	I need to make that perfectly clear.
	Yeah, there's a financial component and there's also a technological component where at the moment the only viable solution I've seen put forward so far is switching the internet off, which is obviously not practical.
	Yeah, that's not going to work.
	Yeah, no.
	Yeah, that's not.
	Because, yeah, they're going to figure it out.
	Technology is there.
	People are smart.
	People know how to work with it.
	Yes.
	So, they're going to.
	So, this conversation has obviously taken a pivot.
	And for reference, all of this has happened within about 25 minutes of the show starting.
	So, like, we went down here quick.
	And Russell has some thoughts.
	Laura, it's amazing how darkly occultist this conversation has become.
	So quickly, and I recognise what phenomenon of the last few years has been the repression of information about child trafficking.
	But before you got into that very particular, very lurid and obviously very disturbing subject, you were speaking in...
	More general terms about the nature of the conflict that's taking place currently.
	It has to be regarded as spiritual.
	We started off talking about information and how if you control information, you control reality.
	And quickly we've gotten into territory.
	A few years ago, you'd only have heard people like David Icke or Alex Jones talking about people that are now sort of even in the sort of Dark, peripheral edges of independent media are still somewhat spoken of in hushed terms.
	Yeah, I mean, that is true.
	Prior to QAnon, you would likely have only heard Jones or Ike talking about babies being sacrificed and whatever else.
	It's one of the many reasons Alex Jones was all pissed off with the QAnon stuff.
	He was horning in on his territory.
	But, you know, quickly got out of hand and eclipsed him, so he's made his peace with it by now.
	Their tones are hushed because they lost them lawsuits, babe.
	Yeah.
	Part blank period.
	So Russell is very clearly along the lines of like, oh shit, this conversation took a wild turn I didn't expect.
	I wonder if we can move it back towards some more palatable territory.
	And in aiming to do so, he takes a full ten minutes to ramble, where he says a few revealing things.
	What I want to talk about is how I find listening to you and talking to you inspiring because I find even working in these spaces to be a kind of drain.
	It's a drain to continue to generate content.
	I'm very lucky that I've got the kind of deal that I have with Rumble where I'm supported and when there was a pretty cohesive, assertive attempt To cancel me, Rumble were really bold and really stood up for me, right?
	But it's still difficult to make this much content continually, to feel like, not to feel like, to know that I'm under attack and to see the ways that I've been attacked, the allegations, the accusations that have been made, and that the people that would make those allegations and accusations are not directly themselves part of the The Illuminati,
	whether you're talking about the journalists that have been involved in conducting investigations, maybe even the online groups like Logically and Crisp have participated in controlling and repressing information, maybe even the whole sets of trusted news initiatives,
	journalistic and news organizations that parroted and printed stories, the various institutions, legal organizations, And law enforcement that have in various ways participated in a project that I've got no choice to take personally because it's personally about me, that it meshes onto, webs onto, and is connected to a very powerful idea when it comes to a...
	A fight, not an argument, a war between good and evil, in which I, like loads of people, have just been inadvertently caught up in because I was a person with a social media presence and a particular political perspective, generally one of independence,
	mistrust of authority, a willingness to criticize power, whether that's state power, corporate, commercial power, In all of its forms, but most obviously the power of Big Pharma that was exposed during the pandemic period and the power of the military-industrial complex that comes to the forefront during any war or pre-war era.
	And I mention those because they're sort of rational, observable, measurable and obvious and easy to corroborate and are being corroborated by journalists like you or Whitney Webb or a bunch of others, right?
	To various degrees on the left and on the right.
	But what's not spoken about so often is this idea that globalism is by its nature, and this is where things get sort of, I would say, edgy, somewhat satanic.
	And I can unpack that in a rational way.
	Because what is at its essence taking God's power, the power of some transcendent yet imminent force, Some triune God that is by its nature relational and loving, extracting that power and that purview and giving it to either political, corporate, or bureaucratic entities.
	That in itself is literally a Luciferian project, because what is the nature of Lucifer?
	To lay claim to God's power.
	I am powerful like you.
	I live outside of your domain, and I have my own kingdom, and I will bleach out your true light with my false light.
	Okay, so to pass that out, the allegations against Russell was actually just Russell getting caught up in the war between good and evil, because, you know, he's out there speaking truth to power.
	So he was basically just collateral damage of the war going on.
	But it's important to note that globalism is by its nature satanic and luciferian, and it was the globalists who came for him, supposedly, even if they weren't directly the evil Illuminati, and so therefore it was a satanic luciferian force that came for him with those allegations.
	Hmm.
	Interesting.
	That'll make you feel important.
	It's not even just the media.
	It's not just the globalists.
	Literal Christian God and literal Christian devil are battling over me in the form of my life as an individual.
	Me, Russell Brand.
	I'm important enough to God and the devil.
	To conspire against me.
	Satan came for him personally.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	That and also Russell finds his job difficult and draining.
	You poor, poor millionaire.
	Whatever.
	Well, that's why he's like, oh yeah, that's why I'm into Christianity is because instead of just me having problems there.
	Well, okay.
	So...
	What I was going to say is, like, he said, I find this inspiring.
	I think that we found Russell's superpower.
	Is that he can find...
	He's bolstered and can find vicious morons inspiring.
	That's...
	That's a feat.
	Genuinely.
	That's impressive.
	I couldn't.
	You're not wrong.
	I mean, genuinely.
	Like, what...
	Okay.
	All of that.
	The last two clips.
	what we've been talking about.
	For him out the gate to address specifically child trafficking as an issue that needs a spiritual solution Um, church has singularly been the global child rape cabal.
	Not just Catholics.
	Yes, Catholics.
	Not just Catholics.
	But listen, you swing a dead cat, you can't fucking hit a church that isn't doing something to somebody that's wrong.
	It's like there's...
	Credible reporting and accusations in the Catholic Church, in the Southern Baptist Convention, against Jehovah's Witnesses, against Mormonism.
	And I'm just speaking to what I have available to me in America.
	Those are the things that are reported, and I can't speak to other countries in the same way, but I bet they're fucking there because exploiting power is what child trafficking is about.
	It's about power.
	Sex is...
	Sex happens.
	It's about power.
	We cannot lose sight.
	And I hate that even QAnon has so many deleterious effects about misrepresenting what child trafficking is and where the problems lie.
	Yeah.
	To say that faith or church or the Bible is the answer flies in the face of every victim that has ever come forward and credibly accused, won settlements, settled out of court.
	Like, every victim we know was abused within the structure of the hierarchical structure of the church overwhelmingly by men.
	That's just...
	So that is super fucked up to say.
	It's super fucked up to say.
	Also, what did I say?
	If you don't mention Trump and Epstein, I don't need to hear a syllable about this shit.
	If that's not a conversation that you have had publicly and insist on bringing up in this context, because they were so much more connected to And we are still finding shit out how, like, Epstein had access to the Oval Office and the White House.
	And it's just that, listen, it's well within the Ten Commandments of Journalism, ma'am, Lara.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Tertiary namesake sharer.
	Yeah.
	Are you not talking about that?
	Cool.
	Fucking take a seat then.
	That's, like, it's the example.
	Yeah.
	So, following on from this thought that the globalists are satanic and everything, Russell takes things a step further in what is maybe one of the more condescending things he's ever said.
	That's...
	Now, if you sort of step back to a kind of somewhat cosmic or at least, you know, 200 foot high perspective, it's clear that what's happening is the state in alignment with concealed corporate and indeed bureaucratic interests are taking that power.
	And the way that we're participating in that is by sort of foolishly Entering into this pact, believing that what we're doing is supporting people's rights and protecting vulnerable people and standing up against corruption.
	I actually believe that people that are committed to woke ideology are well-intentioned.
	I even believe that many of the people that have attacked me are well-intentioned.
	They don't know, forgive them, they know not what they do, that what they're doing is the devil's work.
	Killing God and replacing God with Luciferian power.
	So, people following the woke ideology are well-intentioned, forgive them for they know not what they do, because they don't realize that actually what they're doing in attacking Russell in any way is killing God and replacing God with Luciferian power.
	If you come for Russell, it is killing God, which, um, I guess we're a satanic show now, apparently.
	Um, so, so that's good to know.
	Um, yeah, I'd like if, if, I mean, you know, if we can get some of that, so that's a, you know, sweet, sweet Soros money, that'd be good.
	Maybe a boost from Klaus Schwab, you know, Schwab, if you're listening, send us a check.
	Part of the Satanist cabal.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So Jesus said, forgive them, they know not what they do.
	Is that the condescending thing that we're...
	Yeah.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You read the book.
	You know.
	Jesus said that.
	So Jesus is a condescending prick.
	I would accept it from Jesus if he appeared.
	I don't know that I would!
	I think it's condescending.
	That's how it struck me even as a child.
	Sure, yeah, yeah.
	That seems like an excuse.
	If the Son of God, you know, appeared in front of me and said it, I'd be like, oh shit.
	Yes, if it was all real, fine.
	Yes, exactly.
	I'm not going to argue for sure.
	From Russell, slightly different situation.
	Hey Jesus, bad example.
	Don't model that kind of behavior.
	But yeah, okay, I do want to say, and this is a little meme that came across my feed a while back that is very useful, is when you hear any of these people say woke or woke ideology, what Russell just said, replace woke with human rights.
	Yeah.
	Because that's what they are.
	They are basic human rights.
	Ooh, if we're getting real fancy, civil rights.
	Heaven forfend.
	So just, if you hear woke, human rights.
	Woke ideology is...
	Enforcing basic human rights.
	That's it.
	So that's what he said.
	Don't forget that.
	He just said, yeah, rights and protecting vulnerable people and all that stuff, you know, it's Satan's work.
	But he also said that woke ideology is...
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's specifically...
	Like, the word woke...
	Because it's a word that the right can't define.
	I just defined it.
	You can't.
	It's human rights.
	It is the waking up to the need for universal liberatory human rights.
	That's all it is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And if you're a shithead, you can't say that because that really crumbles your whole house.
	Yeah.
	The termite to your home.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	It's like getting them to say the full thing of diversity, equity, and inclusion.
	Like, oh, suddenly you sound like a real asshole, huh?
	You know, rather than just, oh, DEI. Say the full thing, and then say what you want to say.
	Well, they do sometimes for emphasis.
	Yeah, yeah, sure.
	And it doesn't change anything.
	It doesn't matter.
	They don't care.
	They don't care.
	Yeah.
	So from here, Lara Logan chimes back in to talk about how this satanic stuff manifests and where it comes from and how to recognize it in the wild.
	So when I look at it, when people come to you and they say, a headmistress or a therapist or somebody comes to a parent and they say...
	Your child has gender dysphoria.
	And this is the solution.
	They don't tell you chemical castration or, you know, sort of gender mutilation is going to mess up your child for life.
	Suicide rates are going to go up.
	No, what defines all of these things?
	Deception.
	When they tell you globalization is going to make everybody, you know, give us access to goods, it's going to lift people up all over the world.
	That was a deception, right?
	It was a lie.
	So anytime you want to identify what you're talking about, if you can find the presence of deception, you really have the presence of Satan.
	You have the presence of darkness because Satan comes to you with, oh yeah, we want civil rights.
	We want to end slavery.
	We don't want anybody to suffer.
	There should be an end to racism.
	Yes, these are great things.
	And it is a testament to our humanity, honestly, to our fealty to God, that we choose to say yes.
	But what we don't know is that behind us, this comes to us not from a place of light.
	It's coming to us from a place of darkness.
	And we are being sucked into something else.
	That's why you say, how do these things connect?
	How does sex education in American schools, what does that have to do with where we are today?
	Well, because it came as a Marxist ideology.
	It came from, you know, all this stuff, hippie love.
	I grew up in the culture that Woodstock was a wonderful, great time of free love, right?
	What was Woodstock?
	What was it also about?
	It was all of those things.
	But behind that, it was about something else.
	It was a breaking down of the family and of morality and society.
	It was the introduction of narcotics.
	Because what is narcotics?
	Why do we call them gateway drugs?
	Not just because marijuana can lead you to cocaine, but because it opens up a gateway.
	It opens you up to forces of darkness.
	You behave in a way that you wouldn't.
	How do you get people to do things they wouldn't normally do?
	You break them down through alcohol.
	By the way, spirits.
	Why are they called spirits?
	Because they open you up by the spirits.
	By things that are not from God.
	Sure.
	That's fun.
	Introduction of narcotics.
	And she specifically said cocaine.
	And she's saying that the 60s introduced narcotics.
	I'm sorry.
	Why is Coca-Cola named Coca-Cola?
	I would argue that narcotics, when they were sold over the counter, sometimes to heal the pain of a teething baby, Maybe they were a little more available.
	What a stupid fucking thing to say!
	I can't remember exactly when the Opium Wars were, but I'm pretty sure it was before the 1960s, you know?
	Yeah!
	Jimmy Henry's wasn't around to see it!
	Just saying!
	But that's fun anyway.
	Spirits are called spirits because they open you up to spirits that are not from God, and gateway drugs open up gateways to forces of darkness.
	Like, oh, this is some classic shit here.
	This is old school.
	Yeah.
	What a miserable woman.
	This is reefer madness.
	Yeah, totally.
	It's absolutely reefer madness.
	Yeah, and in other news, apparently the civil rights movement and wanting to end slavery are actually coming from a place of deception.
	And within deception, you find the presence of Satan.
	I mean, she said it.
	She said it.
	What did I say?
	What did I say right before that?
	Right?
	Like, human rights, civil rights.
	She is demonizing the effort towards universal liberation and human rights for every human being.
	Yes.
	Yes, exactly.
	What'd I say?
	What'd I say?
	It's satanic.
	Other satanic things include people being trans, and in particular, healthcare for trans kids, and also globalism.
	But we knew those two.
	Whatever.
	Then where'd you find your fucking suit, globalism?
	Shut up.
	Who made the box you bought your hair dye in?
	Shut the fuck up about all this bitching about globalism and they're using computers.
	Suck a dick.
	It's crazy to hear.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Ah!
	I know it's a dog whistle, but even just looking at it on its face, I think it's a great way.
	Like, listen, y'all are going to be dealing with Thanksgiving and holidays and shit.
	Just ask what they mean.
	Just, again, like, and you don't have to say it how I do.
	You can probably say it a lot nicer.
	Whatever.
	Draw a diagram of how you think this works.
	And if you can't, right?
	Like, hey, family member who's off the chain today, explain yourself.
	Just ask them to explain.
	Yeah, explain further.
	Tell me more.
	You say it loud in front of everybody.
	And then you answer my aunt's questions after you answer mine.
	And if you can, kill her.
	Don't let him wiggle.
	Don't let him wiggle.
	Follow up.
	Yeah, in polite situations, the Socratic method is very effective.
	Just ask more questions, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, like, when was the introduction of narcotics?
	Like...
	Cocaine?
	When did that happen?
	What about Coca-Cola, gal?
	Yeah.
	That was a soda that you could drink for fun.
	Like, that's...
	Come on.
	Okay.
	You gotta deal with this stuff on its face.
	Yeah, not to let it go unnoticed, Lara did make the claim that sex education comes from Marxism, and I'm 99% sure it's because she's buying into the cultural Marxism conspiracy theory that we covered at length back in episode 44, which is essentially a misrepresentation of the Frankfurt School and critical theory, which must be where critical race theory came from, and the alt-right's intentional misrepresenting of it has also expanded to sex education stuff, and yeah, all of it also has some fun anti-Semitic tendrils in it, so that's always good.
	Well, sex ed.
	Listen, she can say that.
	Sex ed comes from Marxism.
	She can kind of say that, and here's how.
	Sex ed gives people...
	It teaches children autonomy over their own body.
	And Marxism being an effort towards universal liberation.
	It is a liberation ethic, right?
	That's part of it.
	So liberatory, like liberatory theory absolutely supports woke ideology, aka human rights.
	So, yeah, cool.
	If Marxism is how you get there.
	That's the thing.
	What you said is absolutely right.
	That's what they think, and that's bananas.
	And yeah, it's all tangential, and it's absurd, and it doesn't make sense.
	It's the cultural Marxism.
	But genuinely, what she's saying, the guts behind it are wackadoo.
	But the words, Marxism leads to sex education, it led to education...
	Full stop.
	It leads to labor rights.
	It leads to child protective services and Not necessarily as they work out, but certainly the notion of protecting children is part of human rights.
	So in that regard, Gal, you're not wrong and you're super wrong all at the same time.
	It's impressive.
	Oh dear.
	Okay, so from here we learn about Lara's mental health and she displays some terrific journalistic integrity.
	So I never get depressed or bogged down when I'm overwhelmed by the scale of something happening around me.
	Because I know that's God saying, you've done your part.
	This is mine.
	Leave it to me.
	Have faith.
	Leave it to me.
	And so then I get strength from that.
	Instead of being overwhelmed, I take strength from it.
	And you talk about all those people that have attacked you.
	I know exactly what you're talking about.
	They came from me more than 10 years ago.
	And that was a revelation.
	And I began to uncover what this world is that they've created.
	Well, you know what the devil knows how to do?
	Is to set the conditions, right?
	So that when you say, well, some of these people attacking me, they may have good conditions, may have good intentions.
	Well, the devil has set the conditions for them to To believe that and to take the actions that they do.
	But we are past that point now where they get a free pass.
	Because it is well documented, for example, that there are more than 300,000 unaccompanied minors who've come to the United States without anyone.
	And they are missing.
	And we don't know where they are.
	So now is when you have to say to yourself, okay, am I going to just go to sleep every night and wake up every day and I'm going to be a person that says, well, you know, kids go missing.
	No.
	No, God's children are not for sale.
	So who are you as a person?
	You have to decide because the only thing that matters is when you stand before God and He says, once you knew, what did you do?
	What did you do?
	Catholics sell babies all the time.
	What are you talking about?
	So yeah, as covered several times.
	Sorry, I just finished a really depressing book about Irish history.
	Oh, don't go- I did.
	Too late.
	I already did.
	Guess what?
	I'm alive.
	Nothing bad happened to me and I'm just better informed to hear things like this and know that she's full of dog shit.
	Yeah, that is a bleak history right there.
	Yeah.
	Parts of it, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	As covered several times, those 300,000 or so minors were not so much lost as it was like an administrative error and a colossal fuck-up from ICE where these kids were not given dates to appear in court and were also not kept track of properly because there was an improper handover, basically.
	But the alt-right conspiracy theory is that they've in fact been trafficked into the country to be slaves or for other nefarious purposes.
	Well, that's all Right, yeah, exactly.
	It's parts of QAnon that are being co-opted and laundered to sound like real stuff in politics.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And, you know, it works to a degree.
	But there's no evidence for any of the things that she's saying.
	But also, that's not going to stop award-winning journalist Lara Logan.
	So here we are.
	Well, because God will just quiet her mind.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's my turn now.
	She has a not-my-problem trapdoor.
	Isn't that fucking convenient?
	I mean, that would be great for my mental health.
	I'm not going to lie.
	Also, yeah, the people attacking Russell despite being potentially tricked by Satan are no longer eligible for a free pass, apparently.
	So that's good to know.
	She's like, nah, fuck them.
	Like, oh, okay.
	Okay.
	When did the devil get to set the intentions?
	What does that mean?
	When?
	How?
	Why is God letting the devil set the intentions for dot dot dot the world question mark?
	Yeah.
	Great question.
	Just...
	Push back.
	What's crazy?
	Diagram.
	Diagram.
	Let's remember that Russell should be asking – like if Russell, the babe in Christ, should be curious because if he's learning, he should be asking follow-up questions to understand all of this Christian wisdom from someone who's more experienced in it than he is.
	But, so he's got the audacity to baptize people, but he's not going to push back on these Christian ideas, or being presented as Christian ideas that are wackadoo sketchy boots.
	But he can baptize people.
	Yeah.
	What?
	Weird.
	Weird.
	As for Lara Logan getting attacked ten years ago, which was a revelation to her, on 8th November 2013, Lara Logan had to go on CBS this morning to apologize for an inaccurate 60 Minutes report.
	About Benghazi, which had aired on the 27th of October.
	She indicated that an investigation uncovered the source of a lot of her reporting was inaccurate and blamed it on a guy called Dylan Davis, manager of the local guard force at the U.S. Embassy in Benghazi.
	Lara said he had lied about the information and insisted they looked into his credibility and relied on such things as photographs and documents that he supplied.
	So, single source situation.
	Good to say.
	In hindsight, Logan said they learned the story told by Davis did not match what he told federal investigators.
	And a quote from her apology.
	You know, the most important thing to every person at 60 Minutes is the truth, and today the truth is we made a mistake.
	And that's very disappointing for any journalist.
	That's very disappointing for me.
	Nobody likes to admit they made a mistake, but if you do, you have to stand up and take responsibility, and you have to say you were wrong.
	And in this case, we were wrong.
	Unquote.
	And that's why empty fucking apologies without change behavior go in the trash.
	You keep your fucking sorry.
	You keep it.
	What happened next was that in November 2013, Logan was forced to take a leave of absence due to the errors in the Benghazi report.
	Al Ortiz, the Executive Director of Standards and Practices for CBS News, wrote in a memo that Logan made a speech in which she took a strong public position arguing that the US government was misrepresenting the threat from Al-Qaeda and urging actions that the US should take in response to the Benghazi attack.
	From a CBS News standards perspective, there is a conflict in taking a public position on the government's handling of Benghazi and Al-Qaeda while continuing to report on the story." She subsequently sued New York Magazine for $25 million for their reporting on all of the situation.
	The suit was dismissed with prejudice, which I like.
	It was from here that Lara Logan slid to the right because she left CBS News, right?
	And she was then claiming that the media had a liberal bias and that journalists were political activists.
	And then as Trump kind of came around, oh, they're all propagandists against Donald Trump.
	And then not long after that, she got a gig with the Sinclair Broadcast Group, who are right-wing media.
	And then by 2020, she was working at Fox.
	On June 4, 2020, just to give an idea of her reporting at Fox, she appeared on Hannity to claim that Antifa was leaving pallets of bricks at protest sites in an attempt to stoke violence and destruction.
	Fact checkers found that claims of bricks being left at protest sites were without foundation.
	Nice pun there.
	And the pictures submitted as evidence of this activity were actually taken at ordinary construction sites.
	Yeah.
	No one else reported seeing Antifa trucks leaving pallets of bricks.
	What's an Antifa truck?
	You're right.
	Did it say Antifa on the side?
	Yeah, they graffiti Antifa on it.
	It's a big logo.
	I'm not saying that someone who believes in anti-fascism doesn't have access to a truck.
	Sure.
	But tell me how you know it's an Antifa truck.
	Official branding.
	They all have to look like that.
	And not long afterwards she promoted a 5th of June joke tweet which linked Antifa to juggalos and a clown hierarchy.
	And Logan focused on the portion of the tweet that mentioned a traditional command structure and used that to argue that anarchists did indeed have organizational structure.
	So do juggalos.
	That's not the insult she thinks it is.
	And we know that, don't we, listeners?
	Yes, that's not the insult that she intended.
	That's just insulting juggalos, really.
	Yeah, right.
	During the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, Lara and her television appearances linked Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky to satanic occult practices.
	Called him a puppet and claimed that Zelensky had been selected and not voted in.
	She praised Putin because he was not going to stand by while the globalists take over the world and accused Ukrainians of being actual Nazis.
	Her comments were specifically praised and taken up by Russian government propaganda because, of course...
	And then in October 2022, she was banned from Newsmax, the right-wing television network, for what the network described as reprehensible statements during an interview about the US-Mexico border, where she said that the open border is Satan's way of taking control of the world through all of these people who are his stooges and his servants.
	You know, the ones who want us eating insects, cockroaches, and that while they dine on the blood of children.
	She's been freelance since then.
	This is what's happened.
	Freelance is a word.
	Freelance is a word you could use.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's QAnon.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, 100%.
	100%.
	So that was the results of her being attacked 10 years ago.
	Well, when I say QAnon, right?
	Those ideas were around...
	I say QAnon, it's the shorthand we all understand now.
	Those ideas – and I talked about this whenever we were talking about his Aries – like, Russell's Aries Tech necklace.
	Like, there's a whole – like, David Icke was – and just to use another word that we all – like, name we know.
	Like, these notions were bubbling around, but they coagulated into QAnon.
	But, like, Sherry Schreiner – like, that's these – there were all these kind of voices – Yeah, that's a history there.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So like just because it's like the dates might not match up for the time that like that's what I'm saying is like she's you know that that was technically before QAnon became this online internet like presence.
	Before that all of those ideas were bubbling around in conspiracy theory circles and people were writing miserable terrible books about it and people were reading those books and people were transvestigating in their little weird internet cults for a long time before QAnon ever got here.
	So when I say QAnon that is shorthand for that larger info sphere that absolutely existed and thrived on the internet.
	Yes, yeah.
	And all of that then got absorbed into QAnon and kind of consolidated, you know, into this one thing.
	And fundamentals of Christianity.
	Like, fundamentalist Christianity absolutely, like, cohered with all of those beliefs.
	It's satanic panic, basically.
	But that was something we think happened in the 80s and 90s.
	But I don't think it ever ended.
	It just became QAnon.
	Yeah, it just changed.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, it stayed, and it consolidated.
	It didn't change, it consolidated into something that was more modern.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So next, Russell says, some things I disagree with, and then some things I agree with.
	And I know a lot of people that are socialists and even Marxists that are, you know, like good people that believe that what socialism is, is kindness, fairness, togetherness, oneness, God's holy family.
	We're all brothers and sisters.
	But when you try to do that materially and rationally with the distinct and definitive Annihilation of the God principle, what you get is by its nature Luciferian.
	I never believed I would say that.
	I never believed I would look back at cultural moments like Woodstock and sort of agree with you that what it fundamentally was was a depositing of holy power in God.
	And one thing I do want to be careful of It's like, you know, when talking about, like, the Cold War and the wars that came out of it and the culture that preceded it, how do you avoid, Lara, what we're discussing now, not becoming, not eliding into saying, the 1950s in America was great.
	Mum and dad were home with their two white children and their perfect lawn, and the Negro...
	Toil to work!
	You know, like, how do you, like, not equate what we're talking about of, like, a culture based on God's word?
	Because, you know, immediately prior to the cultural revolutions that come out of the beats in the 60s, what most people would Considered to have been American identity was a kind of heterodoxy that was quite,
	some might say, repressive, was about to become mass consumerism and the white goods era, the implementation of levels of manufacture and industrialization that I believe Marx was correct to identify as exploitative.
	Of human beings.
	The Henry Ford model of car construction being just one casual and colloquial example.
	The question he actually asked.
	Oh, I sure wanted to hear her answer as well.
	But then he realized it was too tough.
	I was like, how do you square the circle of the 50s, right?
	I'd also like to know what her answer was.
	But then he's like, oh, no, that was too tough.
	I got to soften this up.
	And he took a little meat tenderizer, that side of beef, and like, oh, I got to add all this other shit so she can say whatever she wants and not actually confront.
	I don't want her answer on this show.
	That's Yes, yeah, it's interesting.
	I think it's in the next clip, but she does actually answer it to a degree.
	She's good!
	Good!
	Yes, yeah, good.
	Yeah, Marx was in fact correct that not just industrialization is exploitative of humans, Russell, but the system of capitalism at large is, you know, what he was discussing.
	And yeah, Henry Ford was a fucking monster.
	Agreed there.
	The point where we diverge, however, is where supposedly if you try and do Marxism without God, what you're going to get is Luciferian.
	Which means we've graduated from secular forms of government just being bad in Russell's eyes to them being outright satanic.
	Which is an interesting escalation to kind of put a little pin in.
	Well, he's refining.
	For future notice.
	I don't know how much he's going to...
	He doesn't seem like he's buying her bullshit.
	I don't know how much he'll retain.
	there was one clip that i didn't that i didn't include um where he was like oh i'm i'm really grateful that we can have this conversation because these are the kind of conversations that i'm like he seemed very sincerely grateful to be talking about all of the political stuff but also all of the occult shit he was like yeah this is fantastic so thank you he actively thanked her um in the middle of uh the things i'm like he could know that q anon pays the bills because
	Thank you for paying my rent this month with your lunacy is what he could easily also be thanking her for.
	True.
	Very true.
	I didn't have to say it.
	You did.
	Could be entirely cynical.
	Could be entirely cynical.
	Well, I don't think that...
	I'm not attributing cynicism to...
	I'm just saying that thank you doesn't belie his motives, but there's a lot of motives that would produce that thank you.
	That's what I'm saying.
	He could say...
	There's a lot of different ways that that thank you...
	Could be completely sincere.
	Sincerely, thank you for making me some money today with your lunacy.
	Tight.
	Cool.
	Good.
	Thanks.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And Woodstock was also Luciferian, so that's good to know.
	Okay, cool.
	I have a hard time believing that Russell will actually retain that, but maybe you will, because it's easy to remember.
	Woodstock was basically a sacrifice to Moloch or whatever the fuck they think doesn't happen, but happens.
	Yeah, okay.
	Okay, man.
	Interesting.
	That's straight up, like, that's fire and brimstone, like, preachers on records said that.
	That's, like, old-timey.
	That's, like, old-timey fundamentalist Christian.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But retrofitted, right?
	To QAnon.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've got some modernized classics coming out.
	Awful.
	So for context, in this next clip, at some point during the conversation, Lara Logan mentioned Hugo Chavez as an example of deception, because he said free stuff for everyone, and then he took out 80% of the money in Venezuela, according to Lara Logan.
	Chavez being a self-described Marxist, it had a specific point behind it, and Russell takes a minor issue with it before Lara replies here.
	Do we not have to be careful when we're saying that Chavez plundered a bunch of people below the poverty line to ensure that we acknowledge that free market capitalism, which I think a lot of people are, that we might be becoming affiliated with, is not God, is not Jesus.
	There's two things that stand out to me as I listen to you, Russell, and one is that Marxism and communism, people don't They don't really look at the history.
	If you look at the history of socialism and Karl Marx, who hired Karl Marx?
	Who paid his bills?
	Who tasked him with creating this system of, by the way, social control?
	Anytime you see the word social in these contexts, it really is a euphemism for control.
	Well, it was the Rothschilds at 10 Downing Street or 14 Downing Street.
	No!
	Definitely not!
	And if you start to look at that history, so what does that lead me to?
	Who said that to you, girl?
	It leads me to the very thing that I mentioned in the Ten Commandments of Real Journalism, which is our job is to search for the whole truth.
	She's Ron Burgundy.
	She won awards for being Ron Burgundy.
	And she would have said, fuck you, San Diego.
	Yes, yes, she would.
	So, this claim is related to anti-Semitic conspiracy theories literally perpetrated by the Nazis.
	And then later reported as being accurate by the New York Times in 1937. Good old New York Times.
	Yeah, right.
	The theory goes that Marx is a distantly related Rothschild who was hired by them for nefarious purposes.
	Now, interestingly, the distant relative part is true, but also everyone of a certain class was fucking related at a certain point, right?
	Check out their noses and jawlines for more.
	Yeah, that's...
	Yeah, so that part is accurate.
	However, the hiring part has no provable basis to it, and would have been very strange given that the Rothschilds were actively against all of the things that Marx was saying at the time.
	No shit!
	No shit!
	It's on its face!
	That's so plainly not true on it in any way!
	And being related is like, even, like, being related aristocratically or by a bloodline, even, like, to say, like...
	To say funding, right?
	Like they're being funded by and hired by.
	That money ain't even coming from one person to another.
	That money just sloshing around.
	Like that's a totally different concept of patronage a hundred plus years ago.
	That's not even how it works.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And so, like, in Lara Logan's concept, like, Marxism is a system of social control that the Rothschilds paid Karl Marx to create so that they could then control it.
	It's an anti-Semitic fucking conspiracy theory that the Rothschilds were trying to control the planet through Marxism, right?
	Basically, it's what it pans out to.
	If you would have called him up and asked him, they'd be like, hell no.
	That's what's crazy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But, well, of course they'd say no, you know?
	Oh, yeah, right.
	Everybody's...
	Yeah.
	It's all right.
	I forgot.
	It's always opposite day, only when it's convenient.
	It's always opposite day.
	Right.
	Fun fact.
	In March 2022, Lara Logan claimed, without evidence, that Charles Darwin was employed by the Rothschild family to create the theory of evolution...
	She has also made claims that the Rothschild family engineered the American Civil War and the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and JFK. Someone call Will Ferrell today and ask him if he based his work on this woman, please.
	That's wild.
	Yeah.
	Amazingly, like, she doesn't expand on any of the Rothschild stuff, which is really annoying.
	Of course she doesn't!
	Yeah, she just leaves that little nugget and then moves on.
	I'm like, goddammit.
	Because what that tells you is that's all she had to hear.
	And she believed it, and she can repeat it, and she means it.
	She doesn't have the explanation because she either didn't need it or can't retain it because it's bonkers.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because genuinely, oh, I'd love to hear what she actually has to say about it.
	Again, draw me the diagram.
	Yeah.
	You draw me a diagram on a piece of paper.
	That should tell you she's thinking bad.
	She's bad at thinking if that's what she has to hear and she can repeat it in a conversation on a show that's being recorded.
	Yeah.
	And post it.
	Yeah.
	Thinking bad.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	I realized she didn't answer the thing about the 50s, by the way.
	And she did say in the interview that the 50s, basically like, oh, sometimes the 50 is good and sometimes it's bad, depending on your perspective.
	But actually, none of that matters because it all depends on, you know, values from God and that side of things.
	So she kind of dodges, basically.
	Is what happened.
	It's not especially interesting.
	Well, also, I expected her to do that.
	If she deviated from that, I would be interested into what she had to say.
	But yeah, she punted.
	There was layers of punting in that answer.
	uh so we move to the final clip after um lara talks a little bit about her home life and having like five dogs and two cats and whatever um and then russell gives us something of a family update um in the final clip here my bed our bed there's me my wife there's my young son there's a new dachshund puppy they're all in that they're all in the bed yeah she sleeps under my legs They're a cutesy doxy.
	Doxies!
	That's what we're calling them.
	You know, I think that was such an amazing conversation.
	I simply think that we have to participate in the creation of a network together.
	Done.
	You got it.
	Will ya?
	Do you wanna?
	I do.
	I do.
	In fact, I've been looking for the right place.
	Because I have...
	I have a brand.
	I have an identity.
	Millions of people know my work.
	Millions of people know who I am.
	But I have not done a podcast because I wanted to fight for the part of journalism that is being lost.
	Well, that's something to look forward to.
	The brand Logan News Network.
	Draw me a diagram of the part of journalism that's lost, how it was lost, and how you plan to find it again.
	Draw me, explain like I'm fucking five.
	Yeah, take all the time we need.
	Take your moments.
	Done.
	Take all the time we need.
	Let me know.
	She spoke more about the network idea at the very end, but seems very intent on making it happen.
	She was like, no, Russell, it's going to happen now.
	And Russell was like, okay, I'll text you after the show.
	So, yeah, we'll see.
	Yeah.
	What we will see, and what we did see, and what we found out from talking to the Louder Than Crowder guy, no, who were we talking to?
	Anyway, there was a conversation that was had.
	Oh, I think it might have been Rob.
	Rob!
	The funding, like, so there were a bunch of people that were not at the Maha event, right?
	The RFK, like the event that we covered, right?
	There was a bunch of people that are implicated in that same lawsuit against like...
	that was like Russian kind of interference and funding with Tim Pool and Benny Johnson, those guys, right?
	So anyone involved in that event, we need to be aware, even people that were not on stage, We're still present.
	So that event, we can assume or we can expect, maybe we won't now, that Trump is going to be in office.
	I don't know if this case will continue to be pursued.
	But all of those people, that event is intrinsically linked to To the Tim Pool Russian funding case.
	Dave Rubin.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Dave Rubin, right.
	I don't even have the list, right?
	So all those people...
	Rescue the Republic.
	Rescue the Republic, yeah.
	Was intrinsically linked to the funding that brought all those same people together, and she was the host for...
	For lack of a...
	Like, she was the connective tissue?
	Yeah, yeah.
	She was one of the kind of compares of the situation.
	Yeah, there were over...
	On that list, there were over 600 US-based potential Russian assets.
	And then I think there were, like, more than 1,500 worldwide that they were...
	Well, I'm not talking about those.
	I'm talking about the people that we know their first and last names and we deal with those people on this show and in this kind of conversation sphere.
	Those are the people that we're all hanging out together.
	That event is inextricably linked from wherever that money is coming from and whatever the motives may be.
	And this woman, and I don't know that she did an amazing...
	I don't know that she...
	There wasn't a contest based on merit that she won to MC an event.
	I'll say that.
	She wasn't exactly a consummate.
	I've seen some folks MC events, and she was no MC friend.
	In fact, that's what I can say to you.
	But genuinely, she's...
	So saying, yeah, we're going to start a network.
	Yeah, let's do it today.
	Yeah, I bet.
	I bet.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And she confidently can because maybe that case is not going to go anywhere because Trump is going to be in charge of the DOJ. I fucking hope that's not true.
	But that's something that we're looking at right now.
	That's what we're looking at.
	Absolutely.
	And in other news, Russell and his family have a new puppy in Florida, which says to me that they're not likely going to be back anytime soon.
	That's what that says to me.
	If they're getting a dog in Florida, you know, a family dog, I'm like, ha, that's a commitment, you know?
	Are dogs in there?
	That's like a very portable dog.
	I don't think that's necessarily- It is a very portable dog.
	That is true.
	Americans travel to get dogs and other animals, maybe illegal animals from Florida, all the time.
	I think it's trickier between the UK and the US, though.
	It's like a customs quarantine thing.
	Yeah, I'm pretty sure Russell's dog Bear is still in the UK, I think, which is, yeah, I hope he's at least being looked after.
	I'm sure he is.
	I hope they don't abandon Bear for avoiding extradition.
	That would be incredibly sad.
	Yes, right.
	Or maybe Bear is in a better place.
	Maybe Bear is getting in.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Maybe Bear's having a great time.
	I hope so.
	Oh, dear.
	Anyway, yeah.
	I didn't get to this.
	I didn't have a chance to get to it.
	I didn't really know where to fit it in with, like, the Aries Tech, you know, the Russell's Necklace episode.
	But basically, like, you know, M.I.A., the musician M.I.A. is very connected in that way because, like, she also kind of has this, like, goofy, like, fabric clothing line that's supposed to protect you from 5G or whatever.
	Yeah, she has a tinfoil of hats.
	Yeah.
	Or whatever.
	It's like, yeah, they're like, listen, we have tinfoil hats at home.
	You don't need to buy that, but whatever.
	I mean, and also genuinely, like, listen, Faraday cages exist.
	And we all have, you know, if you go to a comedy show and you got to put your phone or whatever, you put your phone in a little thing.
	That works.
	It's like a real, you can't record stuff.
	That's real.
	We know that Faraday cages aren't necessarily a cage.
	Sometimes they're an envelope.
	That's real.
	But all of this kind of like...
	Someone who is a figurehead, someone who's front-facing, does have to have these very traditional be-in-entertainment skills and attributes.
	So why I mentioned that she's this conventionally attractive, she's a lovely blonde lady who looked very put together.
	I have nothing to say.
	Genuinely, she brought the razzle-dazzle in a way I wish more guests really would take Seriously, frankly.
	So she's showing up on the news in South Africa in the 80s and early 90s.
	First of all, I would really like someone to find maybe what she said about apartheid, because this seems very connected, and maybe she already had these beliefs about apartheid and then could just hang the QAnon on top of it, which has happened to a lot of people, and we know that.
	And also...
	Like, she can show up and be a news reporter, news anchor.
	Like, Russell can be a famous person people listen to.
	She can be a famous person people listen to.
	MIA can be a famous person people listen to.
	Specifically, MIA is a really good example because she was right about a government cover-up because...
	more about the situation on the ground with the Tamil Tigers because of her family experience.
	And so you have somebody who's like famous.
	So they've still bought into the fame game, right?
	They have participated in the celebrity game and they have succeeded in that particular celebrity rat race, which a lot of celebrities can tell you all the bad stuff that comes along with it and with fame, right?
	And so there was something, like I was hearing it described, Annie Kelly did a really great kind of synopsis.
	Regarding MIA. But these same people that are famous, and it's like, it's not your area of expertise.
	Like, MIA doesn't know a lot about, like, electrician work, we'll say.
	Yeah.
	Or settlements.
	Russell doesn't know a lot about, I don't know, Christianity or whatever.
	Pick a thing.
	Health.
	Don't care.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, this woman doesn't know a lot about vaccines, but she's going to go host the Maha, right?
	Or whatever.
	Oh, yeah.
	She's very anti-vax.
	Of course.
	But they do have some experience, and they have probably seen...
	The hypocrisy behind the curtain at some point, and that is very disillusioning for anyone.
	So the brain-breaking thing is real.
	It happens.
	It's cognitive dissonance, especially if you have been achieving your success within the celebrity game.
	Then you are...
	And then you are confronted with some kind of earth-shattering actual cover-up.
	Maybe not the government, maybe corporate.
	Maybe you see something happen that's really bad and you try to do something about it and you're shot down.
	Or Russell is the bad thing that's happening.
	And so he knows exactly how corrupt...
	That entertainment corporations are because they protected him.
	So he knows exactly what- He benefited from it for years.
	He knows there's anybody.
	Yeah, because that's how he got here.
	So when you see some stuff behind the curtain, then magically like there is this kind of melding of trauma and hubris and fame and success and then also add in a lot of money to further detach you from reality that these people think that they've then magically like there is this kind of melding of trauma and hubris and fame and success and then also add in a lot of money
	And this is the same for regular conspiracy theories, but there's more kind of like gas in the tank for a famous rich person to find this like information that seems clandestine.
	And it seems like if it's oh, if it's the opposite of the prevailing narrative, well, then it must be true.
	So the untruth or the dissonance is proving itself and they are in a particular position.
	I think Russell especially.
	That's something I don't think we've even talked about ever on the show.
	I know I haven't had this thought out loud or even really had it in this way that he knows exactly how corrupt the BBC is because they were corrupt for him for a long and FX or whatever.
	He knows all about Diddy because he went on fucking vacation with him for a weekend.
	He knows.
	So he can speak to the corruption because he's benefited from it.
	And the cover-up is right in front of us, right?
	Like, it's not...
	But, like, so he can...
	And I can't attribute...
	Motive, right?
	Like, it's either instinctive or it's intentional.
	I don't know and I don't care because the result is this.
	That there's this kind of like, well, I have the keys.
	I have the secret knowledge because I have access because I'm so special because my job is to be special and important and rich.
	So they think that that's somehow...
	Making their experience special in a way because they also have a platform, their voice can be amplified.
	So there is this sort of feedback loop of fame and infamy that we have monetized to such a degree.
	We should have expected this to happen.
	And in fact, a lot of people did with...
	Marks, for example.
	If you add money into bad behaviors, guess what you're going to get?
	Way more bad behavior.
	Antisocial behavior, we'll say, that is manipulative and intentionally misleading.
	And it's easier to do it if you believe it.
	So that's what these two people have used their cult of personality to do.
	Yeah, they get along like a house on fire.
	Oh, and they have the same kind of dog?
	I can tell you that I have a special bond with every Corgi owner, and I didn't expect that until I had one, because it's a weird little gremlin dog that acts in that specific way, and I didn't know.
	And I hear the same about dachshunds.
	So they have no reason not to be exactly on the same page and to make whatever horrible...
	Thing monster mutation of a network that they're going to do to fleece people and scare them.
	Potentially, yeah.
	That's my thoughts.
	Yeah, very interesting.
	I didn't have another place to put that, you know, and it's not super fleshed out because, again, I'm the one that just has to wing it.
	So, that's my, I hope it made sense, but there is a combo here that we're dealing with.
	And even, like, the show, the fact that Russell can do the show and they can all talk to each other reinforces that kind of, like, I'm different and special, potentially because I saw, like, I mean, M.I.A. has more of a leg to stand on than anybody, but that's also why she's, like, because she's also been right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's tough.
	I mean, it's hard because Julian Assange wasn't 100% wrong all the time.
	There's plenty of things that we have established as bad.
	Obviously bad.
	Asterisk on that guy.
	But there's other stuff he did that was really good.
	I'm saying it happened by accident and he's like, I'm just going to do it.
	Yeah.
	Like, shoot them all at God, sort them out kind of a thing.
	But especially when they can pull something off and they're right and they do it well, if you don't have that foundation and if you're just the Caesar without the guy behind you whispering, you're going to die, you don't have a check and balance on that hubris.
	It just gets to do whatever and then you just think that your word is gospel.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You need the guy following you around, you know, saying you are only a man.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	You're gonna die.
	Whereas for Russell, he's been directly attacked by Satan because he's that important.
	So, hmm, maybe he could do with one of those guys.
	Maybe someone should be doing that role.
	God and the devil having a fight over your choices of television program is a lie that's told to Christians that is very destructive.
	Yeah, it seems it.
	The whole notion of sin without really morality or ethics.
	That's what I heard over and over in this conversation that's motherfucking alarming.
	Yeah.
	Yes.
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