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Nov. 21, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #86 - Rudy Giuliani Returns, For Some Reason

Russell somewhat inexplicably invited Rudy Giuliani back on Stay Free, and it doesn't go quite the way he expected. Watch the Louder Than Crowder/Knowledge Fight/On Brand election livestream! (very little actual election coverage included) Support us on Patreon! Purchase a magnet handmade by Lauren!

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	What we're getting into this week, as per usual, is usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	And Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Vincent Price.
	Vincent Price, we've, you know, I knew we were going to keep the spooky train rolling, and that's exactly what we've done.
	And it's just, you know, we get that little bit of unwind time, Mike and I, because this is a very stressful time of year, especially for me.
	We just have a lot of work to do, a lot of events and shit and everything, right?
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	Eating, showers, if we get to it, okay?
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	Listen, it's the Vincent Price show with different costuming.
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	And it's just a delight.
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	The mask, I mean, now they are kind of absurd, right?
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	I highly recommend Mask of the Red Death, and it's easy to find in all the streamings and whatever and what have yous.
	Let's see, we just watched Theatre of Blood.
	Camp wishes it was these movies.
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	It's just, like, the color, the costumes, the everything.
	It's just...
	Oh, it's just been a treat.
	And we've been working on our Vincent Price voice.
	I'm not nearly as good...
	Mike has been working on his Vincent Price voice for years.
	He's like a big B-movie enjoyer.
	Mm-hmm.
	You know, and not afraid of any of the genders of the sides of his personality, which is very fun.
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	Like every minute of fun right now really counts.
	Yeah.
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	Vincent Price is an icon for a reason.
	Absolute legend.
	Big fan myself.
	I particularly love him opposite Christopher Lee.
	There are a few of those movies.
	I'm like, that's peak.
	I will, yeah.
	Vintage.
	Vintage Christopher Lee opposite Vincent Price.
	Just perfect.
	Absolutely perfect.
	Yeah, it's a delight.
	And if you haven't checked them out, because the thing is, it's on our list, right?
	If we haven't gotten to it, it's like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I know, I know, I know.
	Well, if this is the little last bit that pushes you over the edge, you're welcome in advance.
	So yeah, what's your good thing?
	My good thing is snow!
	It's snowing here right now, right at this moment.
	We got the first snow of the year last night, and it's just very pretty.
	Very pretty and white and enjoyable, and it's the beginnings of winter, which I, despite the darkness, I generally enjoy winter as a season.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, I'm vibing with the snow right now.
	Had a little poot about in the garden before, got my feet a bit wet, you know, but it's good times.
	Made me feel all wintry and such, you know.
	Cold outside, warm inside, you know?
	The hibernating season.
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	Yeah, um...
	It's so weird that I'm like, oh, we're definitely going to have, like, a polar vortex soon.
	But, like, snow doesn't happen until January anymore, which is very weird.
	Yeah, I'm not used to it.
	I'm not used to it.
	You know, seasons are a little bit crazy these days.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's going to go home.
	But it's nice, and obviously our winters aren't as cold as yours.
	Chicago gets crazy temperatures, whereas...
	Yeah, why do any of us live here?
	Lots of people do.
	Lots of people do.
	So many.
	But yeah, snow.
	Snow is good.
	Snow is decidedly good.
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	So, this week, Russell continued his post-election coverage, naturally, though it started to kind of wind that down, thankfully, a bit less of the gloating and whatnot.
	He did an interview with Dr. Robert Malone, the self-proclaimed father of mRNA, about how Trump is a huge threat to the globalists orchestrating the Great Reset.
	So that was a whole thing.
	We're not talking about...
	Okay.
	We're not talking about that.
	The conversation itself, really dull.
	Robert Malone, really dull.
	He's also an idiot.
	But also, like...
	If being an idiot means we don't talk about it, we don't have a show, boss.
	Oh, no, no, no, no.
	Well...
	Him being an idiot is an aside.
	It was just...
	It was really preposterously boring.
	And also, like, it's been a tough couple of weeks.
	And I was kind of sat there on Thursday, like, looking at...
	Like, watching this thing, and I was like...
	I just want something dumb.
	I want something that's, like, fun and idiotic.
	You know, just as a little palate cleanser.
	You know, but, you know, it still has to be relevant and everything else.
	But thankfully...
	On Friday, Russell provided.
	Specifically, he provided with a returning guest to stay free with Russell Brand, who, as usual, I will let Russell introduce.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's Friday and what a special day it is because we're joined by Rudy Giuliani and we're going to be talking about the ramifications of Trump's recent election and what it's like to move through the various offices of public life, sometimes opposing mafia bosses as an AG, being America's Ah,
	yes.
	It's America's granddad.
	That's fun?
	This is fun?
	Hey everyone, Lauren brings this point up at the end of the episode, but I wanted to reiterate it here before we get into things.
	What we're about to see is some real dumb shit from Rudy Giuliani that is legitimately funny, but we must not forget that the man is a total monster.
	If you haven't listened to it yet, go back and check the first time we covered him where we got into his sex crimes alleged in the lawsuit against him.
	It's some pretty harrowing stuff.
	So we can laugh at him being an idiot, but also don't forget he is an actual fucking ghoul.
	Anyway, back to the episode.
	There are bits that are fun.
	He's an idiot.
	And yeah, America's granddad, Rudy Giuliani.
	There we go.
	There we go.
	That's who we have.
	Like, last time we saw Rudy was at the RNC, right?
	That's the first time we covered him, you know, back in June.
	And at that point, it kind of made sense because Russell was just kind of grabbing whatever guests were nearby to record with.
	And so, like, sure, grab Rudy Giuliani if he's lurking and available and you can't find anyone better to interview.
	This, however, is a choice.
	This is a full hour booking of Rudy Giuliani on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	And there are portions of it that I think don't go the way Russell was expecting as well.
	Yeah.
	Sure.
	Yeah, Rudy.
	All right.
	One notable thing that has happened to Rudy since we last covered him is that he has been disbarred from practicing law in New York, so that's fun.
	Always enjoyable.
	He is, however, maintaining his show, what is it, America's Mayor Live or something on Rumble and X, and it's basically just Rudy Giuliani just rambling into a microphone for a couple of hours, which...
	Makes you wonder where the money's coming from.
	Or he just has a lot.
	Because he's been grifting his whole life.
	And this is what you get to do.
	Waste people's time.
	We'll get to it in a second, but he definitely has way less money than he used to.
	So the first clip we're going to look at is Rudy discussing the scope of the incoming Trump administration and what they might consider reforming.
	It really depends on Do we show them in a very quick period of time that they were being led down the wrong road and that our greatness lies in the core institutions that we have?
	Do we restore free speech?
	Do we restore a proper balance between religion and government?
	Do we restore, oh my goodness, the criminal system?
	I mean, it was very, very completely contradictory that they were attacking him for wanting to take democracy away and wanting to prosecute his enemies when he never did that.
	He had the opportunity to do it.
	I know that better than anyone else.
	I recommended prosecuting Hillary Clinton in 2017. And he had the wisdom to say, we don't do that in America.
	We don't prosecute.
	We're not a banana republic.
	And what do they do?
	They've prosecuted well over a hundred of his people, from little cases to the people that they tortured for January 6th, right?
	They've got them in conditions worse than some of the prison camps.
	So many citations needed!
	Right?
	Just quickfire.
	Every three words!
	Quickfire.
	I'm sorry?
	Yeah, Jan 6 is being tortured, apparently.
	Rudy doesn't specify which prison camps he's comparing the situation to, but, you know, there's no such thing as a good prison camp.
	Um...
	Rudy does, in general, spend a good chunk of time this interview talking about January 6th, possibly because that's the last time he was politically relevant back in 2021, but there is another reason, and it's easy to- Also, asterisk!
	Even that?
	Right.
	Relevant, kinda.
	Yeah, maybe- But there is another reason.
	And it's easy to forget that Rudy Giuliani was of course there that day.
	And you know me, I love a sassy Wikipedia entry, so I'll read directly.
	Quote, On January 6th, 2021, Giuliani spoke at a Save America March rally on the Ellipse that was attended by Trump supporters protesting the election results.
	He repeated conspiracy theories that voting machines used in the election were crooked and called for trial by combat.
	Which he claimed after the riot had not been a call to violence, but a reference to Game of Thrones.
	Yeah, you know what I said that we should burn them all alive?
	That was just a Game of Thrones reference.
	It's all good.
	It's fine.
	Can I just say, okay, Child Black Combat was real.
	That was a thing that did, I mean, Americans, I think, on the whole, do not know this.
	Or maybe you did a quick Google because you were like, what is this now when you watched Game of Thrones?
	Maybe, but that was a real thing.
	We need to understand how fragile and a brand new newborn baby that any notion of a criminal justice system is, especially in the Western conception.
	It's fragile and we need to care for it or else people like Rudy Giuliani will get to do it.
	The old way.
	The old way is bad.
	Yeah, it doesn't seem to go right.
	Need to include God in the decision.
	That's also what that's about.
	It's this kind of melding of religion and governance that's like, well, God will pick the right choice, so we just let him fight.
	That's part of it.
	It's the divine right kind of notion.
	We need to take this seriously, folks.
	I'm so sorry.
	Yeah, pretty wild.
	And to continue from further down, because I do particularly enjoy this bit, Giuliani had reportedly been calling Republican lawmakers to urge them to delay the electoral vote count in order to ultimately throw the election to Trump.
	Giuliani attempted to contact Alabama Senator Tommy Tuberville, a Trump ally, around 7pm on January 6th after the Capitol storming to ask him to try to just slow it down by objecting to multiple states and raise issues so that we get ourselves into tomorrow, ideally until the end of tomorrow.
	However, Giuliani mistakenly left the message on the voicemail of another senator who leaked the recording to the dispatch.
	Just...
	Incredibly...
	Did he, like, accidentally record a conversation on his phone?
	Like, some...
	I don't remember.
	Anyway, he's done too many...
	He's done too...
	He's done too many...
	Flubbed too many times?
	I can't keep track.
	I think you're thinking of the sexual assault lawsuit where, like, all of their recordings were recorded and he consented to that.
	No, no, no.
	It was a...
	A different one?
	No, it was a...
	It was a reporter thing, but I don't remember.
	Oh, god damn.
	I don't know.
	All these chuckle fucks.
	I can't keep...
	This guy.
	This guy.
	Dumb things they do straight.
	This guy.
	Rick Perlstein, a noted historian of the American conservative political movement, termed Giuliani's attempts to slow certification in the wake of the riot as treasonous.
	Quote, sedition, open and shut.
	He talked about the time that was being opened up.
	He was welcoming and using the violence.
	This needs to be investigated.
	And that was from January 11th, 2021. Yeah, completely.
	Still awaiting that, really.
	But yeah, it's not a particular surprise that Rudy spends a good amount of his time defending Jan Sixers.
	It's because he's one of them.
	Awaiting what, exactly?
	What are you awaiting still?
	Maybe just a semblance of justice would be ideal.
	Yeah, Trump won!
	Forget it!
	Forget it!
	That's gone.
	You need to let that go.
	There's no more bringing Ro back, right?
	Like, there's, like, something that we don't understand, like, also as far as even just, like, rhetorically, like, pro-Ro.
	Ro's gone!
	You need to be pro-abortion.
	Yeah.
	Ro is gone.
	You need to be pro-treason is bad.
	This is- Yeah.
	Because Julian, yeah, he's breathing easy.
	Smooth sailing.
	That's gone.
	We're not getting it.
	Yeah.
	If he was younger, maybe.
	He's not.
	Yeah.
	Unless he really pisses Trump off and then that'll be awesome.
	But we'll see.
	Oh, I would love that.
	I would eat that up with a spoon.
	You know, you take the wins where you can.
	Don't blame me.
	Yes, right.
	You take the wins where you can.
	I do want to say from earlier in the clip as well, like, had Trump had any way to prosecute Hillary Clinton, he definitely would have done that.
	Oh!
	Oh, I love that Giuliani's, like, cooler heads prevailed.
	You mean the guy that started the Locker Up chant?
	That guy?
	Yeah, Trump reminded Rudy Giuliani that the U.S. isn't a banana republic, as he puts it.
	We aren't even starting close to reality.
	We're not, okay.
	We are not.
	We're in fucking Candyland.
	We're starting.
	Starting completely batshit great.
	Okay.
	And now Rudy says a few things that are, at best, ill-advised.
	And plus, they prosecuted Bannon, put him in jail.
	They put Navarro in jail and leg-ized.
	They have virtually bankrupted me.
	If you wanted to check for me now, I no longer have a checking account.
	Because at the instance and direction of Hunter Biden's former law partner and a lawyer for the crooked...
	The Ukrainian company Burisma, which I uncovered, they have tied up all of my assets with a completely phony case of $145 million to these women, where there is a tape recording of their doing what I said they did, which has been doctored.
	I still have it.
	I can still show it.
	But neither in my court proceeding with the Bar Association or in Washington, Have they let me put in a defense?
	So these women are getting $145 million, and you can see the younger one just putting the ballots in, one after another, one after another, one after another.
	I'm entitled to draw a conclusion based on that.
	I did.
	And even if I was wrong, it's not $145 million.
	So, Rudy is talking about the case where he defamed Ruby Freeman and Shea Moss, the two black women who were working the polls in Georgia, with Rudy claiming that they were committing election fraud to turn the results in favour of Joe Biden.
	And two things.
	One, Rudy, if you have this tape that definitively shows election fraud happening, you wouldn't have lost the defamation case, bud, and those two ladies would be in prison.
	Well, what he's saying, though, is that he wasn't allowed to show that evidence.
	Yeah, he's saying that he wasn't allowed to show that in court.
	Right, we need to know why the court said that evidence is hokum, sir.
	So real quick, the reason Rudy wouldn't have been able to show this video in court is because the Georgia election board cleared Shea Moss and Ruby Freeman of any wrongdoing.
	After reviewing the footage in full, investigators from three law enforcement agencies uniformly found the clips in question to be innocuous.
	Quote, I
	Unquote. out.
	In an alternative theory, Giuliani has also claimed that Moss handed him other USB drives full of votes as if there were vials of heroin or cocaine, is how he put it.
	However, testifying before the Jan 6 committee, Moss had revealed that the supposed flash drives were actually a ginger mint.
	All allegations made against Freeman and Moss were unsubstantiated and found to have no merit, is what the report concludes.
	Essentially, to allow Rudy Giuliani to show this in a defamation trial would have actually been allowing him to continue defaming these individuals in the courtroom itself.
	So that's the situation there.
	So the second thing to note about this is that this interview was filmed not terribly long after Rudy had to hand over his 1980 Mercedes-Benz, his watch collection, a diamond ring, and some cash in order to pay some of the $145 million he owes these women he defamed.
	And methinks he's somewhat salty about that.
	And there's another thing he's going to be salty about in this case, to read from an article in The Independent, quote, Giuliani disclosed earlier this month that he had two financial involvements with Ryan and Goodman, a storage facility and a newly formed company.
	The election workers accused Giuliani of moving a substantial amount of his property from his Manhattan penthouse to a Long Island storage facility, which is under Ryan's name, before the judge ordered him to turn over his valuables, a lawyer for Freeman and Moss wrote.
	Giuliani also revealed that he has 88% ownership of Standard USA, while Ryan has 10% ownership and Goodman has 2%.
	The company's purpose and activities remain a mystery, their lawyer wrote.
	Um...
	So yeah, it seems like Giuliani literally is hiding his shit in storage to avoid it being taken away.
	- I'm baffled as to how much of our popular culture and what they do talk about even in legal lawyer TV shows, right, like even on TV.
	We understand so much more about shell companies and hiding your assets, and I think to a degree, people always did know, but it feels like these old fogies are like, "But I've been cheating like this the whole time and it's worked so far!" Why are you mad at me now?
	Maybe we should have done something before we got here.
	As a society, kind of clean up these messes before they become such a problem.
	Yeah, he seems pretty mad about the legal system actually doing what it's supposed to do in any regard.
	And salty or not, like, Rudy should not be making the same claims that he's already lost a defamation suit for.
	You know, it isn't double jeopardy.
	Like, you definitely can be tried and found guilty for repeating the same defamatory shit as you did the first time, you know?
	It's a new crime, and it's worse because you didn't learn your fucking lesson.
	Yeah, right.
	That is still somehow within the, like, holds water within the legal system for some people.
	It's like, oh, he was really sorry.
	We let him go.
	That shouldn't apply at all.
	Oh, at all.
	Exhibit that you can engage with society without continuing to crime.
	Not how you feel about it.
	I mean, not to say that it's not important that someone is genuinely very remorseful, but that shouldn't be...
	It's just very often white guys taking the word of other white guys.
	That's never been a real big issue.
	I mean, rich white guys don't like to listen to poor white guys, sure.
	That certainly doesn't help, but...
	We should be taking folks' word for it.
	You know what I mean?
	Especially not Rudy Giuliani's.
	Right.
	You can only say, well, we won't do it anymore so many times before that stops working.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	So now we get another bit of an ahistorical take on what happened at Jan 6 and afterwards.
	You can never give back to Steve Bannon the four months of his life that they took, completely unjustifiably.
	You can't give back to the people that were in Roger Stone's house the shock and the trauma of having soldiers invade his house, FBI agents disguised as soldiers with machine guns, and CNN being brought in to film this farce.
	You can't bring back what the Attorney General has done to a 71-year-old woman for merely protesting abortion.
	She didn't touch anybody.
	She didn't hurt anybody.
	She's spending 14 months in jail.
	And you're not going to restore the couple of hundred people that they put in conditions worse than Guantanamo for January 6th, where, yes, there were some that deserved punishment, but none of them deserved that kind of punishment.
	And some of them didn't deserve punishment at all.
	And we still have an outstanding murder case that hasn't even been addressed, and that's Ashley Babbitt.
	I mean, she was killed under circumstances that I can tell you as a person who has prosecuted homicide cases and had that reviewed from day one, because I had that on day one by experienced homicide detectives.
	That's a first-degree homicide charge.
	This woman was a 5'2 woman who was unarmed, There were anywhere near a dozen to 16 police around who easily could have restrained her.
	Nope.
	And she was shot for no reason.
	They were yelling.
	By a cop who can't possibly meet the defense of, I reasonably felt my life was in jeopardy.
	He had behind her, he had police officers dressed up as like SS with machine guns.
	Sorry, Jimmy, we got caught up on immunity in this country.
	He had people dressed up that way on his side.
	Yeah.
	I'll say that again.
	Sorry, dummy.
	We've got qualified immunity in this country.
	If you'd like to take issue with that, that's a conversation we can have.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Coming from New York, you'd think it would be a relevant discussion to have.
	So, unsurprisingly.
	A relevant discussion especially to ignore.
	Mm-hmm.
	Unsurprisingly, an ahistorical take on what happened.
	And, you know, I think it's easy to forget a lot of this stuff.
	So here's a refresher on the Ashley Babbitt situation and what happened.
	At 2.44pm on Jan 6, law enforcement were trying to defend two fronts to the House chamber and a lot of members of Congress and staff that were, you know, at risk at that time.
	Pipe bombs had been discovered outside the DNC and the RNC, and Capitol Police officers had been warned that many attackers were carrying concealed weapons.
	And as demonstrated, the Capitol Police and everything were not prepared for this situation.
	Babbitt, wearing a Trump flag as a cape, was among several dozen rioters who approached the doors to the Speaker's lobby, which was adjacent to the House chambers.
	Three uniformed officers were posted outside the lobby where they were threatened by the crowd.
	One member of the mob yelled,''Fuck the blue!'' One officer guarding the doors told the others,''They're ready to roll!'' And the three officers moved away from the barricaded doors leading to the Speaker's lobby.
	No longer impeded by police, rioter Zachary Jordan-Allum smashed a glass window beside the doors.
	On the other side of those doors, many lawmakers and staff were being evacuated by Capitol Police, but several were still trapped in the house balcony.
	Despite several calls of, he's got a gun, as Lieutenant Michael Byrd aimed his weapon on the other side of the barricade, Babbitt, hoisted by two men, began to climb through the shattered window.
	She was then shot in the left shoulder by Lieutenant Byrd and fell back among the other protesters.
	recalled that a number of police and secret service were saying, get back, get down, get out of the way, and Babbitt didn't heed the call.
	Many rioters immediately began to leave the scene, making room for a Capitol Police emergency response team to get in and administer aid, and Babbitt was transported to Washington Hospital Center, where she was later declared dead.
	After being cleared of wrongdoing, Lieutenant Byrd made his name pub, because there was, you know, a process.
	Lieutenant Byrd made his name...
	Yes.
	Lieutenant Byrd made his name public in an August 2021 interview for NBC News.
	He said his name had been previously revealed in right-wing media and online forums, and that he had received racist, Bird is African-American, and violent threats, causing him to remain in hiding for several months.
	Looking back on his January 6th experience, Bird said, Once we barricaded the doors, we were essentially trapped where we were.
	There was no way to retreat, no other way to get out.
	If they get through that door, they're into the House chamber and upon the members of Congress.
	He stated that he had pulled the trigger as a last resort after the mob of protesters ignored his repeated orders to get back, and that he had no idea at that moment that Babbitt was unarmed and was a woman.
	Um, Bird commented, I know that day I saved countless lives.
	I know members of Congress, as well as my fellow officers and staff, were in jeopardy and in serious danger, and that's my job.
	Weirdly, I could find no trace of SS-dressed police officers with machine guns standing behind Lieutenant Bird, like Rudy here is saying happened.
	That's because we're listening to an old man who lies.
	Mmm, that might have something to do with it.
	That might have something to do with it.
	Here's the thing.
	And I have thought about this since the day.
	Because we've all seen the video, right?
	Very, very unpleasant we've seen it.
	Yeah.
	And I don't...
	Legal implication notwithstanding, or even kind of not really relevant at this point, morally culpable are the two dudes that launched her into the fucking window.
	That, to me, I know I'd never forgive myself if that were me.
	Yeah.
	Because I bet they could hear the warnings too.
	And if she was unarmed and she didn't have any of, you know, wasn't cosplaying military to cover up her...
	Her bits that need to not be injured to live.
	The fuck were you doing?
	The fuck were any of you doing?
	You just threw her to whatever was going to happen?
	Why?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Because your collective delusion?
	That's not good enough.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Pretty, pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	Brutal, brutal situation all around that should never have happened.
	None of that should ever have happened.
	Every one of these people from Trump down, Trump on down, who invoke the name of Ashley Babbitt, but don't even give a, like, not a first thought, let alone a second one.
	Hey, I'm going to warn my community about how to not have this happen in the future.
	No, because they want martyrs and they're bloodthirsty.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	So Rudy is theoretically lamenting the death of Ashley Babbitt here as a martyr, right?
	But strangely, he has a different opinion of the officers defending the Capitol building who died in relation to the attack.
	And for them, it doesn't matter that there's an unresolved murder.
	Now, I come from a tradition in New York, the police department, there's no such thing as a murder case We'll investigate a murder case from 200 years ago if we can get evidence.
	Why?
	Because human life is so important to us.
	And we want to make sure that if we have a chance, if you consider murder, it's going to enter your mind that this is worse than anything else.
	Well, every single member of that January 6th committee couldn't give a damn that Ashley Babbitt was murdered.
	They actually faked And exaggerated murders that didn't take place.
	The police officer they gave a state funeral to died of natural causes.
	What an outrage.
	You don't think Nancy Pelosi knew that?
	And staged it with her daughter who's a Hollywood producer?
	Aha!
	So they were all staged by Nancy Pelosi and her daughter, who is a Hollywood producer.
	This is an outrage!
	Shut up.
	An outrage.
	Aha.
	So Brian Sicknick did in fact die of suffering two strokes the day after the attack, but the coroner did write that they were likely brought on by the stress of being there at Jan 6th.
	And additionally, four officers from the various police departments who responded to the Jan 6 attack committed suicide in the days and months that followed.
	But according to Rudy Giuliani, it was all staged by Nancy Pelosi and her Hollywood producer daughter.
	Yeah, not only is this some seriously dumb shit with a sizable citation-needed stamp on it, it's also completely unnecessary.
	Like, it's been three years, Rudy.
	Leave these poor fucking people and their families alone.
	Jesus Christ.
	You know?
	Like, just leave it.
	Leave it be.
	Well, I want cops to hear how he's saying that a state funeral for an officer who served was an outrage for any fucking reason.
	Like, really?
	Really?
	Hear that?
	It blows my mind that all of the January 6th furor, hubbub, melee completely gets off the hook for how hostile they were to law enforcement.
	Thank you.
	They still have thin blue line stickers and, like, Punisher stickers on their fucking trucks.
	And somehow we're not, like, even they aren't taking an issue with it, which is crazy because, like, individual police do take issue with, like, please, sovereign citizens are so crazy and they're the most dangerous people to pull over.
	Can we please talk about this?
	And it's just not even discussed or addressed as, like, a serious issue.
	It's just, it's...
	It's so obvious that they're using, like, the fantasy version of cops and the military and women and immigrants, whatever, as props.
	Every targeted class that these people use as a prop should be mad!
	They're not even on your fucking side.
	They're not even on Trump's side!
	They wanted him to get shot for real, like, so bad!
	They probably still do!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Ugh!
	Seriously.
	Genuinely.
	We've been talking about this a lot as far as how to shore ourselves up and identify these issues before they become such massive problems.
	That's why I'm pointing all this stuff out.
	It's not rocket science.
	Just critically think about where people are coming from and what they're doing, what their motives are.
	And also the result, right?
	The purpose of a system is the results, is the product.
	Purpose of a system is a product.
	So whatever the system is making, that's the purpose of the system.
	So look at what the root causes are and think critically.
	And you don't have to, like, it's not a binary choice either.
	Like, stop looking for binary choices.
	I know it's tough.
	I'm inviting you to practice with me.
	Okay?
	That's, like, all we can really do.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Agreed.
	So from here, Rudy starts to discuss the destruction of culture in the US, and he's going to get pretty transparently racist.
	But keep an eye on the screen to see what is a classic boomer video call moment, and it gave me a good laugh when I saw it the first time.
	For us, I consider what happened to us not dissimilar to the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
	What they tried to do, starting with Obama, is rip away our culture.
	That's why they burned down statues.
	That's why they burned flags.
	That's why they kneeled on the national anthem.
	That's why they spit on images of America.
	That's why they falsify, like, 1619, the history of America.
	That's why they changed statues, because people didn't do enough about slavery.
	But they keep the name Democrat Party, which did everything about slavery.
	There's no name more associated with slavery that should be changed than the Democrat Party.
	It was for 100 years the party of slavery.
	It fought a civil war.
	Under the banner of the Republican Party, 200,000 to 300,000 white men died to save black men.
	On the other side, they were trying to enslave black men.
	And they keep the name Democrat Party.
	And they try to paint us as racist because, number one, they've got a history of racism.
	And number two, they're practicing Marxist...
	Are you going to tell him or...?
	Yeah, so for everyone listening instead of watching, Rudy keeps unintentionally making the thumbs up sign, at which point a thumbs up emoji keeps appearing on the screen, which is what we've got here.
	Yeah, the moment would be delightful if not for the vehement racism throughout.
	Because, yeah...
	Rudy just said that tearing down Confederate statues is an attempt to destroy the culture a la the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
	And also that the 1619 Project, documenting the history of slavery in the United States, is actually just rewriting history, apparently.
	Weirdly no specificity as to which parts it's apparently rewriting.
	The whole thing, apparently.
	Oh, all.
	Yeah, yeah.
	They wouldn't know because they never listened to it.
	Yeah, they definitely did not.
	They just know that it's a buzzword and they operate on headlines.
	So I've said it before and I'll say it again.
	It is a revolutionary act in America at this point to listen to or read, if you prefer, The 1619 Project.
	It's powerful.
	It is good.
	It's really interesting.
	It is incredibly compelling.
	And it's very important history that we are not taught.
	You have to seek it out.
	Do one big revolutionary thing.
	It's not even big.
	Not anymore.
	This is where we live, guys.
	This is where we live.
	That could be your revolutionary act of the week.
	Do it!
	They don't want you to!
	I was going to say, Rudy Giuliani doesn't want you to, so you should definitely do it.
	Do it out of spite!
	Yep.
	Listen, spite, I think that we've also agreed and understand, is one of the best motivators that we have as a tool available to humans.
	Use it!
	Harness it!
	Work it out!
	And use your powers for good!
	Really, really, really.
	It's great.
	It's there.
	Do it.
	And yet again, he's ignoring all the party switching between the Democrats and the Republicans and whatnot to be able to, you know, paint the Democratic Party and everything.
	But apparently this dude really cares when someone is rewriting history, yeah?
	Yeah, sure thing, really.
	Even the, like, the...
	The white savior complex about the Civil War is a lot more nuanced.
	And you can learn about that, too.
	There were a lot of economic drivers that even made it all possible.
	So it was certainly a thing to...
	Also, slavery never ended, just so everybody knows.
	Yep.
	Still going.
	It's not over.
	Still going strong.
	Never stopped.
	Mm-hmm.
	So back to the ills of the Democratic Party.
	Rudy had just said the Democratic Party have a history of racism and they're practicing Marxist.
	And let's let him finish that thought.
	I would pay attention to Russell's face during this clip, though.
	The new version of this racism, which was outlined in the 40s by an Italian communist named Gramsci, in which you use race for wealth or poverty, and you divide along race Because they figured out we are easily susceptible to that.
	And we had it almost solved until Obama came along.
	And Obama started the racial division of America.
	And what do Democrats do every chance they get?
	They try to racially divide us.
	And they are the actual racists.
	Russell's doing a me impression!
	Yeah, right?
	Like, oh, fuck.
	Well, no, she's more like, do what?
	I'm sorry?
	Yes, yes.
	I need to process this.
	But this isn't adding up.
	Yeah, right?
	So Rudy's just making this shit up about Gramsci, by the way, who was perhaps an intellectual elitist, but mostly just a big old Marxist who was imprisoned and eventually killed in the 30s by Mussolini.
	That's kind of what that guy was all about.
	But otherwise, yeah, I did learn something from this clip, and that's that apparently until Obama came along, racism in America was mostly solved.
	Like, I was completely unaware of that.
	That's good to know.
	He's fucking absurd.
	Anyway, Russell is obviously visibly uncomfortable with this line of conversation, and most importantly, he knows it's a bad look to continue down that road, and he doesn't want to be seen also as confronting Rudy on any of this bullshit, because after all, the game in the alt-right media sphere is yes-anding, not no-butting.
	So what we get now is a true exercise in how to pivot away from sticky subjects.
	Hey, there's a few things.
	One is, it appears that what we're talking about is that there appear now to be no institutions or political parties that can lay claim to the necessary objectivity in order to govern.
	In order to run a judiciary, the population needs to believe that the judiciary are It's just that they are acting in accordance with principles that are somehow universal, even transcendent, that go beyond the interests of any individual or group, that we can rely on genuine justice.
	Now, say a minute ago you said up until the point of Obama, America was on the right track, but I don't know much about politics or history or really anything, but I do know that immediately prior to Obama was George W. Bush, and I do know that the Bush era was defined by the Iraq wars, and I do know that the Iraq wars should be regarded as illegal.
	And one of the great disgraces of the contemporary Democratic Party and their campaign was their willingness to kowtow to and align with Dick Cheney, who's probably someone you know in that, and I'm not judging him as a human being.
	I'm just saying that he seems to loosely represent the idea of Republicanism in the Gulf War eras as being at the service of entities like Halliburton.
	And what it seems like to an outsider is that there were corporate, globalist and economic interests as laid out in the New American Century project that, as obviously you're aware, sort of set out an agenda to go to war with a variety of countries.
	Many of those wars have happened, except the Iran one.
	That's not happened yet.
	Fingers crossed that that one doesn't unfold any day now.
	Wait, I thought all wars were supposed to be impossible now that Trump is president-elect again.
	Like, we've heard the narrative for years that Russia would have never invaded Ukraine had Trump been president, and that the situation in the Middle East would be sorted out lickety-split if Trump was in power, and one of the key tenets of his campaign was being supposedly anti-war, so how is it somehow we're on the brink of war with Iran if Trump is the anti-war strongman?
	Surely, surely that's not a possibility.
	It feels inconsistent, is all I'm saying.
	Yeah, all white guys lie.
	Otherwise, Russell has quite carefully moved away from the racist bullshit, like, let's go a different direction, to saying the system as a whole is corrupt, and that, oh yeah, by the way, the Republican Party under Bush, that wasn't great, was it?
	No, that was terrible.
	But also, let's move that to the Democratic Party.
	Now they were cozying up to Dick Cheney, who was a warmonger from the Bush era, so let's talk about how bad they are for that.
	Yeah!
	Instead of hearing racist old grandpa saying racist old white man things.
	He's talking to the guy.
	Like one of the mouthpieces of warmongering.
	He's the one that whipped...
	He singularly was a face of whipping warmongering to a froth.
	That's...
	Well, Russell.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	What are we doing?
	Yeah.
	Rudy sat there just nodding along through all of it, though, so I guess reality doesn't matter.
	He does probably know Dick Janie personally and knows he's a piece of shit.
	But like, say whatever you want.
	That guy sucks.
	It doesn't matter.
	They don't have to like each other as long as they help each other steal.
	And they lie.
	And they help each other steal from us.
	Then they're fine with each other.
	Or they can bitch all they want.
	It doesn't matter.
	You can say, I hate that guy.
	You can say, I love that guy who gives a shit as long as your fucking bank account is getting topped up.
	Oh, my God.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	So now Rudy has some feelings on South American politics.
	This is the thing they've done that's unforgivable.
	So they were the first administration in history to prosecute their opposition.
	Well, of course, in all of South America, they do that regularly.
	Maduro got a chance to have an election because Biden sent him a lot of money and bought oil for it.
	As soon as he started the election, and Biden asked him to have a free and fair election, he saw what Biden was doing.
	First thing he did is arrest his main opponent.
	Oh yeah, we'll have a free and fair election without him.
	Biden tried to do that.
	Four times.
	He couldn't get it done.
	But he did get him convicted.
	So according to Rudy's conception of things, President of Venezuela, Nicolas Maduro, was directly inspired by Biden's supposed prosecutions of Trump, which didn't occur, and Maduro was like, fuck yeah, I'm gonna dictator all over the place now because it's allowed because Biden did it!
	But there's a small problem with the timeline.
	Maduro's been in power since, like, what, 2013?
	And his last election was in 2018 while Trump was in power.
	So, yeah.
	Like, the Biden administration have promised Maduro immunity if he fucks off out of office and allows free elections, which I'd say is a different problem in that actions should have consequences.
	But I'd say if any dictatorial strongman from 2018 inspired Nicolas Maduro, it wasn't Joe Biden.
	If there was an American influence on that guy being like, hey, dictatorship, it is good!
	It wasn't Biden.
	Might be the other guy who was then-president.
	I mean, also, or America.
	America doesn't have a fucking leg to stand on telling anybody about an election.
	Sorry.
	Yep.
	There needs to be a lot of truth and reconciliation before we tell anybody a goddamn thing.
	Now we should support international bodies, for sure.
	But America doesn't have a leg to stand on.
	And we should have a problem with hypocrisy.
	Like, America can fix it.
	It's not impossible.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, oh, what's America supposed to do?
	Fucking fix it.
	Fucking fix it.
	Own up to your shit and stop fucking around with elections, which is still happening today, and then maybe you can talk.
	Get the log out of your own eye before you worry about the splinter in your neighbor's eye.
	That's a good fucking rule, and we should abide by that.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That would be nice.
	That would be nice.
	So now, Rudy brings up the Israel-Palestine conflict unnecessarily in what is a terrible metaphor.
	So I don't think, I think comparing his people to the current upper echelon of the crooked Democratic Party is like, there's not a moral equivalent.
	Yeah, there are bad people on our side, but they're nothing like on the other side.
	It's like comparing Hamas and Israel.
	Israel has its problems, Israel has its issues, but Israel is going to try very hard not to kill civilians because they know it hurts them to do it, among other things.
	Hamas is going to use civilians in order to effectuate their insane goal of wanting to eliminate the Jewish people.
	So you can't compare the two things.
	Now, 20 years from now, 30 years from now, we could change.
	We could be the bad guys and they could be the good guys.
	It just happens to be in history right now.
	The very upper echelon of the Democratic Party has been seized by these people who have evil motives.
	And they've got to clean it out.
	And I really recommend they clean it out, change the name of the party, and who knows, in four years they can have a majority party.
	Okay.
	Thanks for the political advice, Rudy.
	I'm sure plenty of people will be listening to it.
	So, yeah.
	The Israeli government and the IDF are still gleefully murdering Palestinian children, women, and the elderly en masse, as well as plenty of unarmed male civilians as well.
	The reality of this situation paints a bleak picture, and no matter which way you slice it, this is a bad comparison.
	Like, this is a bad metaphor to make in any direction.
	Like, saying Trump's administration are Israel and the Democrats are Hamas can mean several things, but one of the things I do hear from that metaphor is the notion that Trump's administration are going to obliterate and slaughter any Democrats or those associated with the Democratic Party.
	So, bad metaphor from that direction.
	But obviously, Rudy is coming at this from the position of Israel being the good guys, But even then, doesn't look fucking great, you know?
	There's no conception of this where it works the way he wants it to work.
	Yeah, he's a mean, old, dumb, white, rich liar man.
	Yeah.
	I have a really hard time engaging with anything he says, because he's obviously lying and shouldn't...
	Why are we talking to him?
	He's so bad at legal brain, he got disbarred!
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's not easy to get disbarred!
	No, not in America, it's not.
	I think there are genuinely a few moments through this interview where Russell is like, I did not expect this to go like this.
	I genuinely did not like it.
	It's when he's doing his Lauren impression is when it's happening.
	You can see it on his face.
	You can see it where he's like, oh, okay.
	Because Russell's as clueless as ever.
	I think he knows enough to be mystified.
	Yes, I mean, he was clueless as to what he was going to get inviting Rudy Giuliani on the show for a full hour, you know?
	Well, I'm sure somebody told him it was a great idea.
	Gareth, Gareth, Gareth.
	Or whoever!
	I mean, genuinely, like, going to the RNC and then having these small conversations and then making those connections and then bringing those people back on the show, that's just like how...
	Content creation of this stripe works.
	So it makes sense that we would see people that he'd already spoken to briefly come back up.
	Especially if that went, I don't know, any amount of well.
	Or if the chat and the comments make it seem like it went well and that people want it, then yeah, you're going to see it again.
	And that's why we don't...
	That's sometimes why a committee is a bad way to do stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, it's true.
	So next, Rudy has some thoughts about why Trump was left out of, there's an Arizona 2020 election case that Rudy's involved in, and what the alt-right media sphere has to offer.
	They convicted him!
	The American people elected a convicted felon as President of the United States because they didn't believe in the conviction.
	Not only that, the conviction helped him.
	You know, the last case is in Arizona, and they were going to put him in the case in Arizona, which I happened to be in, but not him.
	And they left him out because they decided to prosecute him one more time, he might win by acclamation.
	He was set to go into that case.
	And the Democratic National Committee told the Arizona Attorney General, because it's a carbon copy of the case in Georgia.
	Everybody else is in there.
	I'm in there.
	Mark Meadows is in it.
	Professor Eastman.
	And then a whole bunch of people we never met.
	The people in Georgia and the people in Arizona I'm indicted with and so-called conspired with, I never met them.
	I'm only learning who they are now.
	So it worked this time.
	And that media you're talking about, the new media, which has yet to really be formed, That's going to be the most powerful media.
	It's going to be even more powerful in 28. It just keeps growing.
	And American people get their information the way they want to.
	And I think that is safer.
	That is safer for free speech.
	I mean, technically the alt-right media being allowed to be this huge and unregulated is safer for free speech, but it's much like snake oil salesmen being allowed to sell bogus tonics is safer for freedom of medicines, you know?
	It still seems like a bad idea, you know?
	Yeah, he just said a series of unrelated sentences.
	If you know what you're talking about.
	If you have even a cursory understanding of the situations he's trying to describe.
	This is very Grandpa Simpson.
	Sure.
	Charmless.
	Yes.
	Charmless.
	Yeah, right.
	A charmless Grandpa Simpson.
	And I do want to actually clarify...
	I do want to clarify my committee statement earlier and I think it's very relevant in these scenarios because we're watching people we're watching these dudes reiterate talking points that they see just bopping around in their chats or on Twitter or whatever the committee making the decision needs an investment in the outcome when you're just gauging the chat Baby, chats will say anything.
	They're just having fun.
	That's not how we actually...
	Do you need to have an investment in the outcome and consequences if the outcome is poor?
	Or agency to change?
	I'm not trying to come for committees.
	I'm coming for the way that they think that consensus is made is whoever is the loudest makes the truth.
	That's fundamentally wrong.
	But we're in the Candyland world.
	We're in the Upside Down where truth by audience meter is what they listen to.
	That's why it's so jarring and incoherent.
	Because that's where they're starting from.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, they left Trump out of the Arizona case, apparently, because it would have improved Trump's voter turnout, and Trump would have just won the election had they included Trump.
	It would have been a guaranteed win had they included Trump in that.
	It's got nothing to do with them not having enough on Trump, specifically in that specific case, because it was all Rudy's fucking doing.
	Sure, okay.
	Also, Rudy never met his co-conspirators in Georgia, supposedly, which is a ridiculous complaint from anyone who understands the law, and it does put into light, you know, why this guy was disbarred a little bit further, because, like, Rudy, in a conspiracy case, you don't need to have met and spoken to every other individual involved in the conspiracy.
	Especially if you're one of the people at the top of said conspiracy.
	You don't have to have spoken to every peon on the bottom rung for them to still be included.
	And those people being included who were involved in carrying it out, yes, they're going to be involved.
	Having them there does not delegitimize the case.
	It just means they will lower down.
	Yes.
	Two things.
	One...
	What did I say?
	What have I said a million times is the CIA's best asset is the asset that doesn't know they're an asset, so that doesn't count.
	All right?
	That's one.
	And then two, this is what he is saying, because that's what he's like, but it's worked every other time I've gotten out of stuff that I did that was wrong.
	Why are you doing it?
	Why is it a problem now?
	It always was.
	You fucked up too much.
	They're throwing fits because they're old, tired, lazy, fucking get-out-of-jail-free, oh, I don't even know, doesn't work!
	And they're pissed!
	What's especially galling is to know attorneys, prosecutors, like, you've done this to other people!
	Dozens, nay, hundreds of times!
	I know you know how this works because you've been on the other side and won cases.
	You have gotten paid to do this to other people.
	Stop lying to me and telling me that suddenly you don't understand how this works.
	Because all this shit is about shoring up plausible deniability.
	Yeah.
	Which is just like...
	Oh my god!
	Okay.
	Let's keep it moving.
	Come on, let's go.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, according to Rudy, new media, as he calls it, is going to be a big thing in 2028, as it was this time around, right?
	And well, from here we get an insight into some of Russell's delusions of grandeur.
	A convicted felon was elected president.
	That shows you a number of things.
	It's just not working.
	They're not able using lawfare, using propaganda, using censorship.
	It doesn't work anymore.
	And what I think it indicates, what might flow out of it, is that this space won't only be about the communication of a message, it will be about the establishment of power.
	That's My prediction, Rudy, that people say we want to run this community according to these principles.
	I feel that it could move from advocating the message of political groups to becoming political groups.
	In a way, that's already been foreshadowed by Syriza in Greece, which happened to be left-wing.
	Podemos in Spain happened to be left-wing.
	And I would say some of the right-wing movements across Europe right now is you'll start to see, I think, Political figures emerging from this media.
	Trump, I think, is by far and away an unprecedented outlier.
	But I think you'll get political figures in the UK and across Europe that can essentially govern online, communicate online, bypass, expose legacy media, expose corrupt judiciary.
	That's where I think it will go.
	And in the end, I guess it will start to be able to change laws and In my country it could establish a constitution, in yours it could be used to enforce or alter one.
	Aha.
	So the system isn't working, but alt-right media is.
	So what we're going to see is political figures emerging from, quote-unquote, new media, from the UK and across Europe that can govern online and bypass and expose legacy media.
	And then these figures from new media will be able to then, like, change laws and potentially create a constitution in the UK. Again, we already have one, Russell.
	and also change the U.S. Constitution or enforce it.
	Joe Rogan for President 2028, I guess, is what we're looking at here.
	I don't know.
	Russell seems to think that all of these alt-right shitheads are going to become politicians.
	They're going to become politics itself.
	That's not going to happen because they don't like working.
	Yeah, they don't like working.
	They don't like working with others, especially.
	They don't like working.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Yeah, it seems unlikely to me.
	None of us like working.
	The thing is, none of us like working.
	That's not what I'm coming for.
	They don't like working for their money.
	Mm-hmm.
	They think they just get to show up and have money.
	That was something actually that Mike pointed out that I was going to mention.
	I remember bringing it up in another episode and I would love to bring it here because it was a really great little moment from the Dana White episode.
	That I think that we need to be reminded because I think that we exist in a world and in like an infosphere where people feel the need to prepare and know stuff before they show up to talk into a microphone for several hours.
	Right.
	Listening to Dana White reminded Mike specifically and then reminded me as mentioning it is how much these dudes just like so much of podcasts that we don't engage with at all because if nothing else I'm like I'm bored and I don't care and I'm not learning anything about anything.
	I don't need this.
	We kind of disregard it out of hand because we know it's sort of like You know, kind of like fluff, pablum, whatever.
	But reminding it so much of like, even a lot of podcast dollars, a lot of audience capture is just dudes showing up and being like, crazy, right?
	Hey guys, I'm dumb about this this week.
	Are you dumb about it too?
	Yeah, bonk, bonk, okay.
	It's that.
	It's the top fucking, like, the top list on Apple Podcasts every week.
	It's a bunch of knuckleheads fucking, like, bumping their heads together.
	Like, oh, wow, crazy!
	I had no idea.
	Yeah, yeah, but between, like, Rogan, Theo Vaughn, and Bobby Lee, like, who are among those top, you know, the fucking two bears, whatever, you know, that situation, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
	That's a lot of it.
	That is a lot of it.
	I don't want to name anyone specific, because I might miss somebody.
	And I know that my umbrella is bigger than I could even imagine.
	And that the...
	His experience that washed over him listening to Dana White is 100% correct.
	So, let's have standards, everybody.
	Yeah, so it seems unlikely that we're going to see all of these people suddenly become politicians.
	I think that's fair.
	Oh, dear.
	Okay, so now Rudy has some feelings about Trump being a convicted felon.
	He's the minimum thing.
	That the dignity of a human being requires free speech.
	How about being convicted by a unanimous jury?
	I like to point out that Donald Trump is the first guy since before the Magna Carta that was convicted either in England or America of a crime without a unanimous verdict.
	I mean, Yeoman in 14th century England had unanimous verdicts.
	But he was convicted in that case of Without a unanimous verdict, they gave the jury a multiple choice.
	Four different possibilities.
	We don't know if they're unanimous on any of them.
	It would be impossible for an intellectually honest American jurist not to reject that.
	It would be impossible for a jurist in your country not to reject that.
	That's one of the things we share in common.
	A criminal case, unanimous verdict.
	It's 800 years old, and they They changed it for Donald Trump.
	Yes.
	I genuinely do not know what he's talking about.
	I know he doesn't.
	And neither do I. The fuck?
	So the claim he's making is that, you know, of the 34 felony counts and everything, there wasn't a unanimous verdict among the jury for any of them.
	First point is that there are jury trials in the UK that only require a majority verdict.
	A unanimous one is preferred, but if it's not feasible, a majority verdict will suffice in several criminal cases.
	Yeah, it depends on the crime here, too, and the state.
	Yes, yeah, exactly.
	And secondly, every single one of the 34 felony counts on which Donald Trump was charged and convicted required a unanimous verdict from the jury, which is what happened.
	Judge Juan Merchant specifically said, quote,"...your verdict on each count you consider, whether guilty or not guilty, must be unanimous.
	That is, each and every juror must agree to it." And that is what happened.
	The instructions were clear that if the jurors were to find Trump guilty of a charge, as they ultimately did, they had to all agree that a business record was falsified by Trump or at his direction.
	They also had to agree that it was done with an intent to defraud and done to conceal, commit or aid another crime.
	It's just lying.
	Just straight up lying.
	But this is a meme that's kind of taken hold among the alt-right around this subject.
	They think it was all just entirely made up.
	If they're insisting on saying, oh, we don't know, and it's like publicly available information, just even, just put that in your mind.
	Because when people say like when people, okay, whenever you are listening to an expert in an interview, say like, I think Ken Klippinstein actually does a really good job of this whenever I've heard interviews with him explaining where your stumbling blocks are for the information I think Ken Klippinstein actually does a really good job of this whenever I've heard interviews with him explaining where your stumbling blocks are There is a block.
	Either there is information I can't access, have no way, like we'll never be able to access.
	These people are dead.
	We don't know what they said or what they felt or what they would do.
	Right.
	Like there's all these kind of like unknowns.
	You acknowledge the unknowns and then you say, okay, well, from my experience, my reporting and my research options A, B and C are possible.
	And that's as far as I can go in reporting this information and then relating it to you.
	Not saying, look, we just don't know.
	Isn't it fun to never know anything?
	That's what they're doing.
	And it's so, like, as a person that has to move through their life, Minding every P and Q and crossing every T and dotting every I I ever have to fucking say to anybody or else I'm just going to get ignored or poo-pooed, whatever, disregarded, or actively, like, attacked if I don't have my shit straight.
	Listening to these dudes just get to bop around with no, like, consequences makes me a special kind of infuriated that, like...
	Guess what?
	I can still think and sit here and talk and not scream most of the time.
	And that's because I'm good.
	That's me being good.
	Because this is so...
	Wildly insulting.
	This is wildly insulting to listen to.
	And they should be ashamed of themselves.
	And the fact that you're like, I just smeared my own poop all over myself.
	Oh, you did too.
	Oh, cool.
	You smell awful.
	That's what we're watching.
	Yeah, and then them rolling around in buckets of money.
	Well, Russell anyway, Rudy less so now.
	But still, as far as we know, yeah, exactly.
	Maybe!
	Yeah.
	And so now we get the final take from Rudy on the outcome of the 2024 election.
	It's amazing to talk to you always, Rudy, because you've been inside of so many lives.
	I think the analysis is enormously important because...
	I think in order to straighten it out, we have to understand it.
	And the only way we can understand it is by analyzing it, talking about it, reading about it, asking about it.
	I mean, you have to understand what's happening to you to fix it.
	I think, you know, there's a great deal of confusion.
	And this election has helped to clarify.
	And we're lucky that this election went the right way.
	I mean, up until the moment That I saw the first returns come in.
	People would ask me, if you would talk to me the day before the election, I would have told you under all usual circumstances, all objective circumstances, he's going to win and he's going to have a landslide or as much of a landslide as you can have in a divided country.
	He'll take everything he can possibly take.
	However, I'm not sure.
	I'm not sure now.
	I'm not sure after what happened in 2020. And I'll be sure after it's over.
	So it worked out right.
	And it has us off on the right start.
	And it's a question of what we do with it now.
	Thank you so much for sharing your insights and expertise with us again.
	Thank you.
	Enjoy it, as usual.
	Yes, sir.
	Watch forward to the next time.
	Yeah, me too.
	Thank you.
	Good luck with everything you're confronting.
	I hope you get your grandfather's watch back.
	I pray that you do.
	I hope that's not gone forever.
	Yeah, that watch is, in fact, gone forever because Rudy fucked around and found out that was part of his watch collection was his grandfather's watch.
	Boo fucking who.
	Right.
	Boo fucking who, dog.
	Seriously.
	I was interested in this clip because obviously, like, Rudy Giuliani is the loudest voice screaming about how the 2020 election was stolen, having personally filed 60-something cases or whatever to that effect.
	And now he's saying this time, well, this one went the right way.
	We're all very lucky.
	And just like that, within four years, the system has been magically fixed down to...
	within a minute!
	Within one day!
	Right?
	One day!
	They won so it's fixed?
	Yeah.
	Please do not take anyone seriously talking about voter fraud when they suddenly shut the fuck up when they win!
	What the shit?
	Okay.
	I also want to say as far as like they roll around in shit and then they roll around in money.
	No amount of money wouldn't make me act like this.
	No amount of money.
	No.
	Maybe it's because of my brain.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	And I'm not impervious.
	I'm not saying that.
	No amount of money would make me act like this.
	And if any amount of money would make you act like that, you're already disqualified from participating because you cannot be trusted.
	You can be bought for less than we think.
	That's what I think is, especially like the Eric Adams stuff, is like, wow, that's...
	That's less.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's way less.
	State officials.
	It's like, Jesus, I could buy one.
	What?
	I could buy a senator.
	I could buy a state senator.
	Yeah.
	You know, we get the block together, do a little investment club.
	Like, you guys want a senator?
	Would that work?
	It won't.
	But if it did, Jesus Christ.
	Also, what I said about, like...
	These guys, right?
	If we're talking about Theo Vaughn, you know, Joe Rogan, these kind of dudes, Russell.
	I say that they're lazy so they don't want to be politicians because politicians have to work, but I have to put a caveat about reality.
	And what we do also have in this country is dog mayors, so maybe that's not enough to keep us safe from these people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely got several lazy politicians up there, as well as dogs.
	Yeah.
	I feel like we expect politicians to be lazy.
	Sure.
	And dogs are very industrious, but not in governing, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The thing is, I feel like animals have been used in metaphors a lot when people are talking about this kind of politics, and I caught myself doing the same thing.
	I've heard other people say, no offense to dogs.
	Listen, I'm not trying to offend animals.
	Yeah, the dogs are great.
	The dogs have never been a problem.
	Humans are the problem.
	And I find myself in the same exact situation.
	I've heard other people be like...
	No offense to dogs.
	Fido, cover your ears.
	It's not about you.
	It's just ridiculous.
	This is so fucking galling.
	Any other closing thoughts?
	I, uh, yeah, I thought it ends with a bit of an ominous note there, you know, it has us off on the right start, the 2024 election, but it's a question of what we do with it, um, but also I don't feel like Rudy Giuliani is gonna have much to do with the next Trump administration.
	He seems to have very much been left out in the cold in recent years, you know what I mean?
	So...
	He seems legally restricted from participating.
	Yeah, what's the point of any of this?
	Yeah, well, yeah, why get Rudy Giuliani on at all, let alone now specifically?
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	This is also, for me personally, not fucking fun.
	Not even a little bit.
	This sucks.
	And listen, all points of view get to be present, right?
	You know, everybody gets a vote.
	But like, the last time we talked about him, those, like the...
	Yeah, so the last time that we talked about him, we went in granular, like, our coverage, you know, it's like, what you presented was, like, grisly, granular detail about...
	This man, and who he is, and how he treats women, and how he sees...
	Like, women aren't people, and poor people definitely aren't, and anyone unless he...
	Right.
	Okay, you're nodding.
	Cool.
	I think the...
	No, I'm not yawning.
	No, I was just gonna say, I think the phrase that you...
	Oh, nodding.
	I said nodding.
	Nodding, sorry, sorry.
	You are nodding along.
	The phrase I think you used was cartoonishly evil, which, yeah.
	Also, like, dangerous and, like, so...
	Yeah, I'd say grisly.
	Grisly, granular detail.
	I had heard coverage from other sources.
	Ours was decidedly, like, really detailed.
	And I would assume and hope that that kind of, like...
	Granular detail that's pretty fucking triggering and horrible to listen to.
	The point of that is to make sure that anytime you have to engage with Rudy Giuliani in the future that you will never forget that he is a manipulative monster and not some cute little grandpa.
	And that was...
	Listen, I took that to heart.
	And also, listeners, you don't have to look at him.
	I do.
	And so the only thing I can think about is...
	What an absolute ghoul he is.
	And yeah, listeners, good for you.
	I'm so glad.
	So, like, we're triggering the flight or flight over here.
	Over here, just looking at the guy.
	I thought that's kind of, like, why we would even guess that.
	And that's why it's not fun for me.
	And it's not funny for me.
	In the way that, like...
	The reality of who he actually is, regardless of how he looks on the outside, and how he can show up in the moment, is solidified by kind of getting led through that process that we did in June, right?
	When we covered him last.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think...
	You know, I'm able to laugh at the dumb shit he says, because there's a lot of dumb shit he says, but yeah, it is very important not to forget about the monster that he is as a human being, absolutely.
	And you know, when Russell said, yeah, he's a sweet, kind old man at the top, I was like, I remember the last episode pretty vividly, you know?
	I hope so, you wrote it!
	You wrote it and you said it and you recorded it and you edited it and you posted it.
	I'd hope that you remember.
	Yeah, guy's a fucking monster, yeah.
	Well, here's the thing about lived experience in the way, like, and I've heard, I've heard, you know, I have heard content creators of colors, maybe even sum this up better than I can.
	But the unfortunate reality of lived experience is, you know, like there was this moment on the election live stream that we did with Louder Than Crowder, whatever.
	Right.
	And I was the only woman experienced person, you know, the only woman person, which like genuinely like however I identify and how I feel really is out the window at this point for like how I have to engage this material and my life experience.
	Because it doesn't fucking change as soon as I leave the house or the house I'm in.
	Nothing changes about how I had to experience the world.
	And so for all intents and purposes, I am engaging as a woman, and that's, like, regardless of how I identify.
	That's an extremely complex place to come from that only makes my life harder.
	Sorry!
	That's the way it is.
	So, whenever we're all joking about 4G out of blow, right, which we were watching videos, like, this goofy man, let's Fred Durst-appearing person, and, you know, I mean, unless...
	Certainly not barring anyone's rare experiences, but for the most part, I was hanging out with a bunch of dudes or dude-experienced persons who have a very different relationship to maybe a bully looked like that, maybe some distasteful guy looks like that guy, and you can dunk on him and we make fun.
	Meanwhile...
	I'm over here thinking like, oh, that guy looks like the guy why we cover our drinks if we got to go outside at a bar.
	And that's a danger man.
	That's a danger man person, first and foremost.
	And you got to protect yourself and anyone else that you see around you that is vulnerable.
	So, yeah, it's a lot harder to have fun and laugh and make jokes when that guy looks like a dude who I rebuffed at the bar and then followed me home on my bike and tried to run me off the road.
	That's what I'm bringing to the table.
	And let me tell you, it's hard to be funny, but I still did.
	I still show up and I caught up with the boys.
	But understanding that, like...
	Man, it's a lot harder to sound nice.
	It's a lot harder to laugh.
	This is not light-hearted for me in a way that, like...
	Man, it's just...
	This shit ain't fucking fun at all!
	And it's okay for me to feel that way.
	It's okay for you to...
	To have your experience, right?
	The reason that we have two different people on a podcast is to bring two experiences to the table.
	So I don't...
	And it's not fucking cool to have the experiences I have because it makes people shut down, right?
	Like that's, I don't know how to fix the shutdown part.
	I genuinely don't.
	And that's the frustrating part of like, if I tell, if I like speak my truth, everybody gets fucking quiet and that's alienating.
	And like, that's not the conversation.
	Let's engage and let's like, listen, hear each other, talk about it, understand.
	Maybe some people have experiences that like, like you don't get to choose when you're triggered.
	That's the reality of the situation.
	And very often, you gotta fucking show up and do your shit anyway.
	There's a lot of sucking it up that we all already have to do.
	So understanding that that's where we're coming from I think is so important because I'm not trying to build in and advocate for On its face, politeness and meekness and quietness and niceness.
	And the thing that I want you guys, my friends here listening to my voice and seeing my stupid face and my very dirty hair on this video, compassion doesn't have to look meek and nice and sweet.
	Compassion sounds like me.
	Nice and kindness, not niceness, right?
	Kindness, compassion can be loud and not any less valid.
	Loud compassion just means it's easier to hear.
	It doesn't mean it's less valid.
	So...
	If you need to find your voice, find your voice.
	I encourage you to do so.
	And if you don't have it, use your voice where you find it appropriate because we all have a place to fit in.
	And I've been thinking a lot about like, you know, imploring everybody to stand up and speak up and blah, blah, blah.
	Right.
	Use your voice.
	Stand up.
	Speak up.
	Know what's harm versus what's discomfort.
	So, you know how to not wear yourself out, but still show up when you have to.
	And I realized that like two things.
	One, not everybody can do that.
	Still, totally.
	And I want you to also have agency even if you can't show up in the moment because it takes practice and you're on your own journey.
	The second thing, the reality of the situation, definitely by far what I have experienced the most in my life, very often from people that are close to me, the closest to me sometimes, and care about me and trust me and listen to me, will be the first ones to try to shut me down if I'm getting a little...
	Riled up.
	Passionate.
	I'm not here to start a fight.
	I care.
	Know the difference.
	So even if you don't want to stand up and say something, because also very often, like, arguing just makes it worse.
	Understanding how to support the positive, like, the presence that has a positive impact, knowing where to put your energy, has way more power than bickering and being reactionary and getting involved in, like, tit-for-tat bullshit.
	Your energy is worth more than that.
	So don't Waste your ammo on the messenger.
	Or the messenger doesn't know how to say it right.
	So pick a time to talk about it and help them deliver their message.
	Or take their message and deliver it in a way that you know will resonate with a different set of hearers.
	Because this shit is fucked and we need to get our shit together collectively.
	And I'm...
	I'm aging so rapidly!
	Everyone, please!
	It's...
	It's happening so fast, I'm on a bullet train here!
	So my time is limited!
	Please!
	For the love of Pete!
	Get it together!
	As on a related note, the live stream that we did with Louder Than Crowder and Knowledge Fight on election night is now available on Louder Than Crowder's YouTube page.
	Oh, accidental plug, yes.
	So I will post the link for that in the description for everyone to go check that out, by the way.
	Oh, I planned that transition.
	Shut up.
	No, I don't know.
	And for anyone who's like, election stuff, we were pretty kind of...
	It was us covering someone else covering the thing.
	We're pretty kind of like two steps removed from the actual election itself.
	It was not that much.
	Right.
	So, yeah.
	Go and check that out.
	Right.
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	I'm going to make a post on our social, like, you know, in our groups and stuff where y'all are around.
	Not the morning of.
	And yeah, that's I'd love to see.
	Yeah, it'd be really wonderful.
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	Sounds cool this time, too.
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	That's not win-win-win.
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