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Aug. 29, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #73 - 2 Men, 1 Couch: Russell's DNC Livestream

Russell is joined by Neil Oliver for a delirious late-night livestream of the DNC, and it gets a little weird. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - getsomeactualgoldhere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now, these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win, win, win, win, win, win, win.
	This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth and each week I go through an episode of Brand's Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B. And I'm the host that has no idea what we'll be getting into today, but it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	And Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Well, these particular weeks are a little challenging, especially what I have found.
	But it's a good thing because we're getting ready for UFOs over Lubbock, which in the Lubbock area on the first Friday is usually when this happens.
	So we will be there Friday, September 6th at Charles Adams Project from 6 to 10 p.m.
	Tons of very new cool stuff, and I'm very proud of myself for working out a bunch of new things.
	Nice.
	Showed some off on the stream, because they're literally within reaching distance, because I make a nest of sewing things for myself to get it all done.
	It's not stressful at all.
	You're stressed.
	Stop it.
	You're tired.
	Yeah that's a good that's it is really good um generally like getting ready for it looking forward to it um and realizing that it's not me and it's not my fault that whenever I'm like in front of the sewing machine um for an extended period of time which is like all day my focus and like
	I am Classico-style known for if my hyper-focus does not let up, does not relent.
	I have had so many people, like, oh, everyone in my life has been yelling the name Lauren standing next to me.
	I could not know.
	And I am oblivious.
	Dictionary picture of me, oblivious specifically regarding hyper focus.
	And I just, now I understand that if I am focused on the sewing machine for more than an hour, specifically that the vision gets so tunnel-y, like literally right on the needle of the sewing machine.
	It's like hypnotic.
	And it just, it's like I've never said a word to a person.
	And having gotten ready for this thing and I've got so many other things like ducks that are lined up and I'm doing the right thing.
	So realizing that like freeing myself from the guilt and shame of being an absolute like weird even for me.
	To talk to.
	Oh, it's the me in the sewing machine moment.
	It's the, I don't know, I'm still a human person.
	I'm just like a being, I'm a cloud, you know, that is just existing.
	And I'm constant, like the amount of decisions that you have to make while you're doing something creative and troubleshooting and problem solving, let's be honest.
	It's such an unrelatable like moment that like bringing myself out of it like oh right so it is a lot of very good things you know I mean yeah this is the first time I've ever had a bad thing and a good thing uh so yeah that realizing that it's very freeing and it's very fun to like also it's it's a good thing in the long run and it's very productive you know yeah well it was what I otherwise but yeah it's um
	So I can't just keep saying sewing every time and I just don't get to really do a lot of stuff.
	But that was one weird thing and maybe that'll help other listeners that maybe it's just the hyper focus and you are an alien.
	And maybe that's okay.
	Yeah.
	So what's your good thing?
	Uh, my good thing is, uh, in a nutshell, Chris Cornell.
	Um, so I, I've been kind of, um, I've been performing some songs that I, I used to kind of, um, try and perform when I was much younger.
	Right.
	So like music I grew up with and, and the like really influenced me.
	Um, and I've been kind of coming back to a lot of that stuff with a view of like, Hey, I can probably actually do a lot of this stuff now because you know, Went and studied it for ages.
	And yeah, that's been the case, which has been fun.
	Still challenging, but fun.
	But through that, one of the things I've really come to re-appreciate is just how fucking fantastic Chris Cornell is as a vocalist.
	So for anyone not in the know, that's the vocalist of Soundgarden and Audioslave.
	And he did Casino Royale.
	He did the theme tune for that one as well.
	You know my name, that guy, which was great.
	Yeah, that was awesome.
	I loved it.
	Well, I'm glad that you feel that way.
	I love the song.
	I think the song's great.
	I'm celebrating your enjoyment.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	Can we all hear my boundaries at the same time?
	Because we're all allowed to have our own feelings.
	Indeed we are.
	That's great for you.
	I love it and I've been digging into some kind of deeper Chris Cornell cuts and I'm like, Fuck, this guy was good, you know, and it's, I don't know, it's just been a real kind of reinvigoration for me.
	It's like, oh yeah, you know, because it's kind of like, I don't know, where you come from creatively, you know, just when you kind of rediscover these roots and influences, I'm like, oh yeah.
	Yeah, shit.
	Chris Cornell was a huge influence on me when I was a teenager especially.
	Now, okay, we try to keep these snappy, I try to keep these snappy for sure, but could it be that your voice has aged and therefore it's easier to...
	Sing like the ho-ha-ha guy?
	Uh no no it's it's more the um it was more just like hitting the notes and that kind of thing it's purely technique um and right oh that makes sense yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's um it's definitely I would say a product of my education because if anything also like your voice gets deeper as you get as you get older um that's right yeah that's right yeah so if anything I probably would have been able to do it better back then if I'd had the same you know tuition in that time blah blah blah but um
	But yeah, yeah, it's been a real treat just kind of re-engaging with music that I really enjoy, you know, and haven't listened to in a long while because, like, I don't know about you, but I have this thing where, like, a number of my favorite musicians and bands are not necessarily the people I listen to the most often, which is a weird thing, but yeah, I've discovered this recently.
	Yeah, where people ask me my favorite musicians and I'm like, yeah, I don't actually listen to them all that often, but I love these people.
	It's a weird thing.
	I don't know if that's just a me thing or what.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	You find so much stuff.
	I'm also not a big fan of like tops and favorites and picking a favorite.
	They're all my children.
	That's fair.
	Even the ugly ones.
	You gotta love them.
	I think it might have something to do with the fact that like a lot of my favorite music is kind of on the more aggressive side or like the more active and kind of upbeat side, whereas like throughout my day-to-day I need more chill than that, you know?
	So maybe it's to do with that.
	It's just not the vibe that I need, you know, kind of on a day-to-day.
	No, getting older, that's genuinely part of it.
	Like, there's plenty of stuff that I'm like, I'm not, I don't have enough energy to listen to this anymore.
	Right, right, yeah.
	It's too loud, damn it!
	It's too much!
	Like, thrash?
	Not really, I just don't have like the, I'm like, I can't keep up, guys.
	But that's what all the, like, that's what all, I mean, you know, I think that getting into the 70s thing is like, it is just- Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's, that's definitely got at least an undercurrent of chill.
	Yeah, whereas, whereas, yeah, Thrash definitely not.
	Oh boy.
	Anyway, musical adventures abound!
	So we've got a show to get to but first let's thank a new patron.
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	And this week Lauren did a little digging into the background of David Martin, last week's guest, and boy howdy!
	He is more full of shit than any of us could have realized!
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	I'm so bad it came back around and I had a blast!
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	So This week, Russell did a couple of things I wasn't expecting.
	One of which was he live-streamed his new comedy set that he was performing at his pub in Piss Hill and streamed that exclusively to locals.
	I call it a comedy show, but I'll be honest, I struggled to find an actual written joke within the piece.
	Like, when we covered Brandemic, there were bits and chunks, like there were moments that recognisably had the pacing of jokes or the format.
	Like, this was not that.
	It felt much more like an evening with Russell Brand talking, rather than an evening of comedy from Russell Brand.
	It was kinda weird.
	We may cover it at a later date.
	We'll see.
	Yeah, I know.
	We'll see.
	The other thing he did that surprised me happened on the very same day.
	And today's show of On Brand, I've got to say, is going to be something a little different because what we're getting from Russell is a little different.
	And as ever, I will let him introduce it.
	Hello there, you awakened wonders.
	You are joining me and Neil Oliver live in the UK for our Kamala Harris watch-along exclusively on Rumble.
	Now, it could be going for a while, Neil.
	It could be three hours before we get a glimpse of Kamala.
	How do you feel about that?
	I can't really understand why that could possibly be.
	I must admit, when you invited me to this, I thought the DNC would be a very slick, well-oiled operation, and it would be like that, and that you would know when the next thing was going to happen because you were trailing it.
	The possibility that we just have no idea where she is, or what she's going to do, or when... We've got no power over this, is essentially what's happening.
	He's not wrong in many, many ways.
	So yeah, Russell did a live stream of the final night of the TNC alongside, of all people, Neil Oliver, who is sat next to Russell on a cream-colored couch.
	And getting picked up on both microphones.
	At least he's getting picked up on both microphones.
	Tight.
	They're not in a stadium.
	They're on a couch in a room.
	They are indeed on a couch.
	Yeah, a cream-coloured couch in the Stay Free studio with the pair of them sort of reclining.
	It looks quite a deep couch.
	If any of our British listeners ever enjoyed the sitcom The Royal Family, like the R-O-Y-L-E, the picture of them all sat on the couch, obviously watching the telly.
	Like, that's basically what we're looking at, but with Russell and Neil and the livestream of the DNC in the bottom right corner.
	And yeah, in that there clip, Neil's mic was not working properly, but they do fix that imminently, thankfully.
	Um, yeah.
	That's not the hallway.
	Otherwise, that'd be a lot.
	Oh, by the way.
	By the way.
	Listen, little piggies.
	I listened to an hour.
	Okay.
	I listened for the past off-brand.
	I threw myself on this sword, so y'all didn't have to.
	I listened to an hour-long podcast with some sweet Christian men, and it was echoing and delaying the entire time.
	And you know what?
	You take that shit for granted until you're like, oh, I'll be fine.
	It's fine.
	This isn't like in a CIA manual somewhere.
	Yeah, especially when you have to like actually actively pay attention to it.
	If it was just on in the background, you'd probably be okay.
	It might still make my eyeball twitch.
	But, and the transcript didn't help because it would catch the thing too.
	So, thank you for telling me that that will not be happening for the entire show.
	Yeah, yeah, don't worry, don't worry.
	It was mostly issue-free, actually, as a stream, which is rare for Russell.
	Now, I had a lot of thoughts when I saw this was going to be a thing.
	Mostly that I couldn't think of two people who A. knew less about what would be happening and B.
	Had less of a horse in this race, you know?
	I'm like, why do you two give a shit other than making money off of the audience who does give a shit, you know?
	It's incredible.
	Yeah.
	Unless there's something else that we don't know about, then Neil Oliver also isn't like shopping for a place to relocate in the States.
	At least Russell might have some kind of a... which, like, I don't know how true that is, but... Yeah, I don't know if he still has his house in Los Angeles.
	He might do, he might not.
	I don't know.
	I don't know how long it's gonna last, because everybody's moving to Austin, so... And he's certainly telling all the Americans he talks to that he wants to move and live there permanently, so that could just be a nice...
	Why?
	Yes.
	Yeah, the other thought I had was, oh no, I'm going to have to stay up and watch Russell and Neil do a live stream that starts at 1.30am.
	That was the... yeah.
	That's, yeah, oh no.
	Anyway, yeah, this is not going to be our usual show everybody.
	I've got more clips and I've cut them in such a way as to try and give everyone the fullest experience I can of this live stream without having to watch the full three hours.
	But nonetheless, buckle in.
	So let's get into the first clip and the first speaker they probably have to deal with and immediately the pair of them are confronted with something they cannot argue with.
	Now, let's see what this... Now, the DNC has introduced a family.
	Let's have a look at a family.
	I needed to prepare for a stillbirth.
	I needed care.
	Oh, that's sad.
	But my state's abortion restrictions kept it from me.
	I'm miscarried in a bathroom.
	I'll never forget my husband's face as he tried to stop the bleeding.
	Trying to do what doctors should have been doing.
	When I reached the hospital I lost nearly half the blood in my body.
	This is actually a very complex idea that's being conveyed now.
	Because it's a pro-choice piece with a family and an infant.
	So that's a complex bit of live, I would say... I don't want to use the word propaganda, but there's something so sensitive at its core.
	What I've been struck by, Neil, watching this convention so far, is the extraordinary amount of strategy that goes into managing our perception of, say, Joe Biden's eventual dismissal and extraction, how that's being framed, how we've been invited to review legacy figures like Bill Clinton and the Obamas.
	This is the first time I've seen anything where members of the public have been deployed.
	Uh-huh.
	He just fell off the turnip truck, apparently.
	Evidently, yes.
	Yeah, there are a few moments like that throughout this stream, to be perfectly honest.
	But he doesn't want to call it propaganda.
	Yeah, work on that spin.
	For real, that's like, you gotta do better.
	You gotta do better than that.
	Yeah, this was like, oh no, I did not expect this.
	Quick, quick, run away.
	I don't want to call it propaganda, but also I'm going to suggest that it's adjacent to propaganda and members of the public are being deployed to do it.
	Okay, great.
	Yeah, trigger warning miscarriage content!
	And that was a black family, by the way, with the newborn.
	So the end of the story worked out, and they actually handled that really well by making that obvious that the child was present, so it wasn't just Like, oh, here's the horror.
	Like, you kind of get the, there's a good ending.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because what she said didn't have any, like, that was, it was just the terrible part that we talked about in Off Brands previously.
	And she's a whole different story.
	I didn't meet her.
	There was 15 other women's stories that I mentioned among the other several hundred I sifted through.
	Indeed, indeed.
	And yeah, Russell said it was a complex issue that they're being presented with there because it's a family who are pro-choice and needed an abortion but couldn't get one and so this poor lady was forced to go through a miscarriage on a bathroom floor because they're from Florida.
	And that right there is not a complex issue.
	It's a very, very simple issue for anyone with even a shred of empathy.
	But Russell has to essentially completely skirt around the subject and talk about the event at large so he doesn't have to confront just how horrific and damaging the policies of the politicians he supports actually are.
	And if he did have to confront it, I suspect that even he knows that the laws against women are indefensible.
	But who gives a shit when you can get Ron DeSantis to come on the show, I guess.
	So let's just run away from that for now.
	Yeah, or connect the idea of the state's rights argument that he has bought in with what Trump is saying.
	Oh, this is the result.
	These are the direct results of exactly what y'all want and want to do more of.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So we move on from this to Russell apparently being able to briefly recognize hypocrisy when he sees it.
	And then, well, Lauren, I know you're a fan of marching bands.
	We had a whole off-brand thing about it a while ago.
	Am I right in thinking you feel the same way about drumlines?
	Oh, the drumline is really kind of the... that's really the juice.
	Yes, of course.
	That's the highlight for you?
	Okay, cool!
	Listen, everyone that shows up and shows out, I'm here.
	I'm here for it.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Alright, well next we get to see a drumline, and Neil Oliver is already getting kind of upset that he's going to be up late.
	The moment I keep sort of citing is Billionaires Are Bad by Bernie Sanders and then a billionaire being brought out that was like a good billionaire.
	Here's a good bit.
	Here's a good bit.
	It's drums.
	It's gotta be good.
	What will the message be here?
	I think the message is sort of continually... Fun?
	What will the message be here?
	I think the message is continually...
	Fun?
	Unity.
	And youth.
	I would say, so far, that it's been a well-staged event.
	Do you think we'll ever get to this?
	Could you imagine this kind of event translating?
	Well, at Clacton, Nigel Farage did have a firework.
	How many people hate fun?
	A single firework would do.
	It was a big political moment, actually.
	When Nigel Farage came out, there was a firework.
	I remember thinking, He came on to a sort of eight-mile style.
	I think it was, at the moment, never let it go.
	We got one shot and actually just one firework, actually, so.
	Yeah, I don't think we can get this far now.
	I wasn't expecting this.
	I wasn't expecting this to be an element of this.
	This is filler, isn't it?
	I mean, this is filler while Kamala Harris says, I've got another two hours.
	I still don't understand why they don't know when she's coming.
	I don't understand.
	Surely this should be choreographed to within an inch of its life, timed to the split second.
	Yes, I think, but they apparently, I think they do know, but they just want a little largesse, you know, or it's not largesse, you know, a grace as it were.
	And they think the impact will be intensified by three extra hours of drumming.
	This is giving me a real boost.
	Yeah, Neil is tired and wants to go to bed.
	In fact, there's a consistent through line of this live stream where it kind of feels like neither of them want to actually be there at all.
	And yeah, Neil is upset that there's no guarantee of precisely when Kamala Harris would show up, and so no knowledge of precisely when he'd be able to go to bed.
	So that's why he's annoyed about that.
	You signed up for a live stream, you old first of all!
	Yes.
	Don't say that shit when everyone on stage, that I can see, most people, I think, all but one, are black.
	Young, black performing, black excellence.
	How about let's not fucking shit on that?
	You mean old white?
	And three, yeah, it's a long event.
	Like, every convention ever, ever, ever!
	And people need to get woken up!
	Russell was at the RNC for three- you know, like, fucking Kid Rock was performing, you know?
	Maybe let's put an asterisk- Att's doing a lot of work in that sentence.
	I think maybe he had a lot of downtime that he could sort of weave in and out.
	They don't even watch fucking Veep?
	Like- Yeah, right?
	Yeah, the president and vice president have like the crazy- like, yeah, that's- It's the whole thing.
	It's the whole thing.
	It's so normal!
	I completely agree.
	And yeah, it did infuriate me in the moment that Neil Oliver was like, hey, this will be a good bit.
	It's drums.
	And then they both talk over the entire performance.
	Fully!
	Which I'm like, you assholes!
	You pair of dicks!
	And then three hours?
	It's not three hours of drumming!
	It's five minutes max?
	No, it's not.
	I would enjoy three hours of drumming.
	But hey, anyway.
	As for what Russell was saying about the event in Clacton with Nigel Farage, that was broadly accurate, though there was more than one firework at the event, but they were initially released slowly, one at a time, which is always funny.
	And the song Nigel Farage came on to was Eminem, but it wasn't Lose Yourself, it was actually Without Me, specifically with Nigel Farage walking onto the line, guess who's back, back again.
	All of this at an event with 800 seats where food and drink was completely banned, even water, to ensure that no one could throw anything at him, as the British public liked to do.
	That's funny.
	I really enjoyed that, yeah.
	One journalist who was there had to, they had a bag of crisps with them and they had to check it with the coats and put a tag on it because they weren't allowed anything.
	No water?
	No, no water either.
	No, no.
	Everyone was having to like drink their water before they go in, you know.
	It was very, very funny.
	It's just trauma from being repeatedly milkshaked.
	Good job, everybody.
	We did it!
	You guys can do some things really well.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	It turns out one of them is throwing beverages at Nigel Farage.
	Anyway, Neil and Russell are pretty much ignoring the excellent drum line, the pack, that are performing, talking over them through the entire performance.
	And then the drummers put blindfolds on in the middle and Neil goes to comment before Russell stops him.
	What's that?
	Well, before you remark on that, do bear in mind that it's possible that these are blind drummers.
	We could, uh... I'm just... I'm just... It's possible, innit?
	Because when they did, like, the lady with a baby, who describes her rather tragic miscarriage story, you might think, oh, let's do a joke about they've got headbands around their eyes, and it's like, and that's the blind drummers of Chicago.
	Or no, that's the blind Chicago drummers!
	They might actually be, I mean, even this could be a mistake.
	They might be X-Men.
	Yeah.
	I mean, X-Men, you know, what's a chromosome at the DNC?
	I find DNC quite a distressing acronym, actually.
	Yeah.
	Why does Neil find DNC to be quite a distressing acronym?
	We may never know.
	He doesn't elaborate, and rather than ask anything about it, Russell's like, yeah.
	I don't want to deal with that.
	They're so bad at being contrarian.
	Yes.
	They're so bad at it, because they're not used to excitement in any way.
	Because I think that's also banned in the UK.
	Yeah, generally, we don't allow for those kinds of things over here.
	Sorry, expressions of joy?
	No, I don't think so.
	No.
	So it was at exactly this moment, ladies, gentlemen, and everyone in between and beyond, that I had a fully legitimate moment of existential questioning.
	Like, I was sat up watching this live and I genuinely thought to myself, like, I am watching two middle-aged idiots comment on something they know nothing about, despite it being their job to know things about it, and I'm doing this at 2am in something of a state of delirium watching the rumble comments tick on by.
	How is this my life and how did it get to this point?
	Like, as soon as I heard Neil Oliver say, I find DNC quite a distressing acronym actually and yeah like what the fuck am I watching that's that's that's all that was going through my head and I was like oh my Jesus Christ okay okay and yeah there are people watching this there were there were a lot of people watching this voluntarily of their own volition.
	You said watching.
	It was on.
	Yes, yeah.
	Certainly people commenting, I will say that.
	Watching, maybe a different question.
	Nevermind.
	I'm a little shocked.
	Oh, and don't think I missed Russell making a trans joke there.
	What a hilarious man he is.
	What is a chromosome at the DNC indeed.
	So, the next clip, we learn something about the time that Russell live-streamed the presidential debates.
	But before that, Russell breaks out something that piqued my curiosity.
	I suppose what's worth us bearing in mind as well, Neil, is we've potentially got three hours, you know, so perhaps we can, perhaps we can now.
	You've got a rule under cigar.
	It's not my first all-night watch, though, mate.
	I bought cigars, a dressing gown.
	Is that an expensive and exclusive cigar?
	We're on, actually... Yeah, it is.
	It's Cuban.
	Wow.
	We're watching... We're available on YouTube, but how long shall we stay on YouTube for?
	That was definitely footage of a buffalo throwing someone up a tree.
	I love this shot.
	It looks really nice.
	Commercials, by the way, we should stay with them.
	Someone mentioned, I saw earlier, when I mentioned that I might have worn Paddington Bear pyjamas, which I said in jest only, and someone said it wouldn't be as good as leopard print.
	Have you worn this on here before?
	Yeah.
	Do you know something I'm slightly embarrassed to admit?
	What print are they referring to?
	This very leopard print.
	I watched the Biden-Trump debate.
	It was quite late at night.
	We had Starlink.
	It was in my back garden.
	And I watched that entire debate and I didn't think, I didn't notice anything unusual about Joe Biden's performance.
	I was like, well, this is what he always does.
	I smoked my cigar.
	I went to bed.
	The next day, people were like, he's actually gone a bit too far there with the dementia.
	We're going to have to do something about this.
	And then began the sort of grind of Operation Kamala at that point.
	But I watched it live and because I'm someone who watches Biden a lot, I didn't notice anything remarkable.
	Aha.
	Yeah.
	This tickled me for a number of reasons.
	Firstly, the reason Russell didn't notice anything remarkable, unlike a lot of others, was that he spends all of it or spent all of his time watching selectively edited footage of Joe Biden.
	So pretty much only ever seeing the times that Joe Biden was being old and incoherent.
	And so, of course, Russell didn't realize that the debate performance was far worse than a lot of people expected, because he just he's only ever been watching the moments of potential dementia.
	Secondly, if you'll recall my mentioning, that livestream Russell did of the presidential debate had some huge technical problems, to the point where it essentially just didn't work for half the stream, and it was actually later completely cut out of the recorded version.
	And it turns out this is because they were in Russell's back garden and using Starlink, Elon Musk's satellite internet company, which apparently doesn't work terribly well.
	I was like, "Oh, okay." An explanation.
	Good.
	That's nice.
	That makes sense.
	It's an Elon product.
	Probably doesn't work that well.
	Yeah, that makes sense.
	Right.
	Checks out.
	Okay.
	Completely tracks.
	Cool.
	And the third thing is that Russell has broken out a cigar, which Neil appears to have taken great interest in.
	Now, most of our listeners won't know this about me, but I like a good cigar.
	It's pretty much the only thing I smoke with any regularity, actually.
	Specifically because you don't inhale them, so I could smoke them in the third year of my music degree and not ruin my voice, which is why I took them up in the first place.
	I needed, like, a stress reliever, right?
	I tend not to bring this up because insecure man-children like to take pictures of themselves smoking cigars and think it makes them look more manly.
	Donald Trump Jr.
	is a good example of this.
	Yeah, it's just another thing that these alt-right ding-dongs are trying to ruin for the rest of us with their machismo bullshit, right?
	And I can tell you what Russell is holding right now is a Cohiba Celio 3 cigar, sold in a single yellow tube thing for around £65 for that individual cigar.
	I don't often smoke Cubans because they're generally pretty pricey, but what Russell is holding is a good cigar by anyone's account.
	One of the things I like about them is they feel a bit special.
	Right, to the point where most of the time, even people who don't smoke are happy and willing to at least try smoking a cigar.
	It feels like more of an event, more of a thing to do, especially at a social occasion of some kind, which is why I have never ever shown up to a social occasion with just one cigar, especially on my home turf.
	Were I to invite someone into my home or studio or whatever and spark up a cigar, I would offer a selection of things, right?
	Oh, I did not know that's what was happening.
	I did not know that he's like, I brought one.
	I did not realize that.
	I was waiting for Neil to also get one.
	No, not happening.
	Russell has one.
	Neil does not.
	Like, yeah, I, I would, I would offer a selection of things for someone to smoke if that were me.
	Right.
	It's not an unusual practice and it's frankly good manners, you know, and like, like if you're having a drink, you offer someone else a drink.
	It's the same kind of deal.
	It's a right off.
	It's a business expense!
	That's the only time we get anything nice here!
	Pretty much.
	And yeah, I say all this in order to just really drive the point home as to how much of an asshole Russell is being by not offering Neil a cigar in this moment.
	Or at all throughout this stream.
	That's so... God, this is weird!
	I mean, like, genuinely though, they're like, they're not, they don't have the, like, they don't have the juice, they don't have the bullet points.
	And especially, like, Neil Oliver, I don't think, I mean, does Neil Oliver do any of his, he's on GB News, right?
	But he doesn't do his own content that he has to rely on in any way?
	He has a YouTube channel, but it's not overly watched, particularly.
	So that's not like an income stream he has to hammer away at, is what I'm asking.
	I mean, he does, but in no way near the same consistency as Russell.
	It'll be like maybe a video a week, if that kind of situation.
	But he's also on TV.
	Yes, but yeah, he's on GB News most of the time.
	That's his main income stream.
	That's the bulk.
	Yeah, they pay him a good chunk.
	Right, right, right.
	So he doesn't have to do, he doesn't have that running string of commentary and necessarily even the experience that Russell has.
	They're just looking at stuff and being a contrarian.
	I want to clarify, flinging a buffalo, like getting flung by a buffalo, that's not cool by itself.
	It was a commercial that had a bunch of like Turan's clips.
	Please don't get close to bison is the point.
	But also, hell yeah, God bless America.
	The God Bless America part is like, yeah, we need to make fun of them until they stop because nothing else is stopping them.
	And everyone that works at Yellowstone is tearing their hair out every day and it kills me.
	I have friends who are park rangers and I just feel so much pain for them.
	I can't imagine.
	And also like enjoying national parks.
	So all the things.
	There was, like, leopard print talk?
	Because, yes, Russell is wearing a leopard print robe.
	Russell is wearing a leopard print robe, yep, yep.
	That is, yeah, which is the same one he wore for that presidential debate, yes.
	Like, Neil, you argue with the commercials, you yes-and the chat.
	The chat pays your bills.
	Why are you arguing with the chat?
	And also, is there an Alaska Thunderfuck fan in the chat?
	Because everything must be leopard print?
	Is it just me?
	I don't know.
	Alaska being a drag queen is a BFD.
	I would be surprised if there were any fans of Drag Race in that specific chat.
	But you never know, there might have been a couple.
	It is so popular, maybe.
	But it would say everything must be leopard print.
	But I don't know if Neil's going to read it.
	Either way, don't come for leopard print.
	Don't come for leopard print.
	We do have a couple of chat moments throughout this.
	It's fair to say you can't avoid interacting with them at some point when you're live streaming.
	That's kind of the point.
	Yeah.
	Neil is not used to this game.
	People were being pretty complimentary towards Neil throughout the whole thing, which did surprise me.
	I was like, really?
	I think he's kind of a snooze, but all right, fine.
	Well, it's a lot of motivated reasoning that's going to happen here.
	But like Neil, You're not, like, wow!
	The contrarian thing, right?
	Like, it just seems, like, so pointless.
	Because you could just, like, pick a side.
	You don't need to, like, there's, and I think that they're, the consistency at which they are picked, Neil specifically, because he's obviously, like, showing, listen, he's good at a lot of other things, that's why he has a career.
	This is something he's very green like his his inexperience is being worn like that that kind of like dumpy shirt that I don't think he's gonna like whenever he watches this back uh someone could have helped him out um yeah truly and like The leopard print really hides any kind of comfort that you're having on camera.
	Sorry.
	It's like, you have a wardrobe department?
	Fucking, I guess you didn't care.
	Whatever.
	That's just, this is picking like any side to the point where like, what's the joke?
	You can't be look, you look for the joke in your mind and you say the thing that works out of your mouth.
	Like, I feel like we're just having, we're like watching a production meeting.
	Like, It's weird vibes throughout.
	It seems like it's got training wheels on.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You shouldn't be watching it.
	Yeah, there are many degrees to which they are bad at this, and we've got a few in store, let's put it that way.
	Anyway, the cigar will be making a return later, of course, but in the meantime, a rumor is- The cigar!
	The cigar!
	The single cigar!
	The cigar!
	That's so fucking rude!
	It feels intentional to me.
	I'm like, how can that not be intentional?
	How can that not be like, nah, I'm the big daddy here, you know?
	I don't know.
	But you have money!
	Yeah!
	Have a humidor of cheaper ones to share!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah!
	It's a stunt!
	Do it for show!
	What are you doing?
	Oh my God, that's funny.
	It's incredible.
	It's incredible.
	But yeah, in the meantime, a rumor is spreading among the DNC.
	Let's have a look at the up sync on this moment of presumed hyperbole.
	They're singing the music, they're dancing.
	It doesn't matter your age, your color, your creed, who you love.
	Everyone is standing up and enjoying themselves.
	They are all waiting to hear the keynote speaker, of course, Kamala Harris.
	But there are a lot of rumors going around.
	There are some people who really want a certain someone to show up.
	But even if she doesn't, everyone is energized here.
	There's one thing we have learned from this Democratic National Convention.
	It is that people feel incredibly energized.
	And they are all telling me one after the other...
	So there's a rumour, Gareth says, that George Bush is going to come.
	Now they'll see that, I suppose, as an incredible scout, but I would personally see that as further evidence of the Uniparty's amalgamated power.
	George Bush's presence doesn't send the message of Unity, it sends the message that I often see when they talk about aisle crossing alliances of this is a one directional locomotive that's entirely captured.
	Yeah, don't you think that's just uniparty underlined, isn't it?
	You know, I see these ghouls when they all get together in that cross the aisle way, you know, sharing sweets and jokes together and I watch it happen here as well, you know, when you see footage of You know, Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer glad-handing each other off-camera, as it were.
	And likewise, when you see something like all of these, you know, ageing ex-presidents get together as though none of the things that we were invited to think they cared about divided them.
	They were all able to get together on it and be together on it.
	- Oh, yeah. - The anchor said she. - I know.
	Right, so first, Neil Oliver, yeah, getting back to how the uniparty is best signified by people getting along and people being polite.
	Dumb on a number of levels.
	With Rishi Sunak and Keir Starmer, you know, they're pretty opposed ideologically, but at the end of the day they're technically colleagues in the Houses of Parliament.
	Not only that, but in this past election they were both at the highest echelons British politics could afford them, and so there's a degree of, like, sportsmanlike rivalry or respect, or at least there's supposed to be.
	And there's also just a way things are done, especially over here with manners and politeness, right?
	And similarly, among the living ex-presidents, like, there's plenty they can disagree on ideologically, but they are all members of a pretty exclusive club, and have had experiences which only the other ex-presidents could possibly understand.
	And in those cases, they're all former politicians, like, what the fuck would be the point in arguing politics with them now?
	You know?
	Like, what would be the point of that interaction?
	Yeah, anyway.
	There were several rumors surrounding who would show up at the DNC on the final day, particularly around Taylor Swift or Beyonce.
	The favorite being Taylor, I think.
	And yeah, I'm pretty sure one of those... Because we know Beyonce is not showing up.
	Let's all be real here.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That was a bridge too far.
	She's way more important than presidents.
	Let's be... She's above all of this.
	And I'm not saying that as, like, a Hoop Dream fan person.
	I'm saying that's just the reality.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	But yeah, I'm pretty sure at least one of those is who the CNN correspondent was talking about, as you said.
	Right.
	But series editor Gareth Roy off-camera instead suggested the lesser circulated, pretty much exclusive to X, rumor that in fact George W. Bush was going to potentially show up.
	And Russell just runs with it as though it's definitely going to happen.
	You know, it came from Gareth so it must be true.
	The out-of-the-loopedness is spectacular.
	The implication being, he sway or bae.
	Yeah.
	And they're like, George Bush.
	W. W's coming.
	Don't y'all watch the news?
	One of you is on a news channel!
	And also, listen, if you don't know anything about US politics, okay, but don't pretend like you do!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's it.
	Next, Neil insinuates something of a conspiracy about the DNC audience.
	There's also a strong sense of staged fun taking place here, and Tim Waltz is really, really... Is that Tim Waltz leaning into it?
	If it's not Tim Waltz, it should be.
	Do you want a drink?
	Please, how long have they... This is a long night.
	We're supposed to be asleep.
	Do you need help with that?
	No, it's not that.
	No, I'll be fine.
	Are you drinking coffee?
	I was drinking coffee.
	How long have they been here now?
	That audience, they do seem to be having a lovely time.
	Yeah, they do!
	They do seem to be having a sustained, lovely time.
	I don't know how often that audience is in and out.
	Will they have been on their feet clapping and waving for hours?
	Yeah.
	What would be good to watch, I think, with something like this, with any potential three-hour broadcast, Neil, is how we, over the course of the evening, you'll be able to see us kind of collapse and implode.
	There won't be this much verbiage two hours in.
	I'm telling you, this is 2am talk.
	We're coming out very hard.
	You're not awake at four in the fucking morning, genius!
	That's crazy!
	But yeah, they're coming out hard.
	What we're getting now, that's the energy.
	This is the juice right now from these boys.
	Otherwise, I'm starting to wonder if there's anything that Neil Oliver isn't suspicious of.
	The audience do seem to be having a sustained, lovely time.
	Have they been standing there clapping for hours?
	You know, it makes me wonder if he, like, looks at pigeons, like, all those pigeons have been cooing and eating rubbish for quite some time now.
	Is it possible trash is an addictive substance?
	You know, like, he's just got to insinuate conspiracies into mundanity.
	You know, it's like, yeah, it's just a crowd having a good time.
	And those pigeons are the pigeons that are the most excited about being a pigeon.
	And they are at their pigeon convention, the biggest, most expensive pigeon pep rally that only happens once every four years.
	They may only ever get to have that experience one time.
	And a lot of them are still young and hopeful.
	And yes, I know we're all jealous of that.
	And that is not their fault, that's my fault for still being alive so long in this broken old body.
	You too, Neil!
	Yeah, yeah, I think he just, he struggles to recognize joy when he sees it, I think is what we're getting at.
	Very, obviously.
	And now I do want to address, there was a conversation in our last stream about like, Right.
	the conversation around, or kind of like the issue of cocaine being available in the UK, and how it's a very massive problem.
	- Yes, yeah, yeah. - And that's really, is that what he's insinuating?
	That they're on drugs?
	Or... I don't know!
	I don't know.
	It can't be that much of a problem, because Neil could get it together.
	Give her a bump.
	What are we doing?
	Whether they're on drugs or whether... I saw some people in the chat insinuating that they were all paid actors to be there, you know, that it's not a real audience.
	So it could be down that line equally.
	Which, sure.
	I mean, Neil...
	You might need something stronger than coffee to make it, honey.
	I'm not asking for like... Maybe a puff of that cigar would help!
	But yeah, you were gonna be awake in the middle of the night and having to entertain people.
	So from here, Russell asks Neil how familiar he is with live streaming, how green he in fact is.
	Do you stream on your channels?
	No, no.
	This is your first time experiencing this?
	This is my first.
	I do watch your comment streams all the time and I'm quite challenged by some of it.
	I think actually, so far, it's quite, yeah, it's good.
	Pretty good.
	Oh, hey, look... Clearly some of it you wouldn't read out, isn't there?
	Yes, we must be prudent, Neil.
	So, on this, me and Neil are agreed, at least on the point that Russell's comment streams are indeed challenging.
	But I disagree that so far the comments had been, as Russell put it, pretty good.
	And in fact, I remember paying attention to the chat around this moment and someone said, speaking of the guest speakers and possibly attendance as a whole, quote, there's too many blacks.
	"It has to be said, we should have them all deported." - Oh shit!
	I tell you what, if that's what passes for pretty good, I don't wanna look when the rumble check goes bad.
	Hot damn!
	I mean, I think that maybe Russell saw that and was like, oh, we need to be prudent.
	Yes, we need to be prudent.
	Yes.
	Don't stop reading things out.
	Hey, to break it to you, honey, you're in Chicago.
	You're right.
	It doesn't look like your shire in the UK.
	That's fucking apparent.
	Absolute madness.
	Absolute madness.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The chat was an interesting experience.
	Oh dear.
	Further adding to my 2am delirium.
	What the fuck am I looking at?
	Anyway, next up, a couple of children who are Kamala Harris's grandnieces come onto the stage, which Neil will describe as heartwarming in just a second.
	But Russell isn't letting go of this George Bush thing.
	Heartwarming.
	Thank you, ladies.
	Can you tell us your name?
	George Bush is trending on social media.
	And my name is her little sister.
	I suppose that can only mean George Bush is going to... Do you want to say your auntie's name?
	We saw these of RNC.
	How do you pronounce it?
	Everybody over here say Karma!
	oligarchy, aristocracy of the Republican party had been extracted.
	No Bush, no Mitt Romney, none of the former stars.
	And I guess, yeah, we're going to see some of them potentially appearing here.
	This is a good bit.
	Everybody over here say karma!
	Everybody over here say la!
	La!
	Together!
	Oh, this is good.
	this is what's staying up for for president nail oliver you sarcastic joyless prick Oh, this is what I was steering up for.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Oh, dear.
	What I do love about that, however, is he clearly wasn't paying any attention to what Russell was saying.
	He was just purely focused on the TV.
	Straight up!
	You're there together!
	Have a conversation if you don't know what to talk about.
	First of all, the thing is, the other side of hosting someone in your home, on your stream, whatever, is that you're also kind of the boss applesauce.
	You set the tone, but you also help.
	Obviously, these men have no concept of community or helping.
	Anyone.
	So they don't get the generosity of a yes and.
	And so like, Russell, you're also in charge of like help.
	I mean, I don't think that Neil is being a particular like he's a very he's giving no but energy, not yes and but like.
	That's still kind of Russell's job to like pick up the pace and keep it keep it going and like guiding Neil in some way like or explaining it beforehand having a little bit of a plan at all.
	Yeah.
	All this is what like content that can look very organic and seem very off the cuff.
	Baby, there's a lot of work that goes in beforehand to make it entertaining and interesting.
	Absolutely.
	Y'all have boring disease.
	This is amazing.
	Lack of prep disease as well.
	Laziness.
	You're not at home!
	Is this the chat that people pay for or is free?
	Uh, both.
	Both were happening at the same time.
	So there was the Locals Chat going on at the same time, which was comparatively much less abusive, I will say that, for the Locals Chat.
	Well, that makes sense.
	Yeah, they're fans.
	Yeah, the Rumble one was... whoo!
	That was the interesting one.
	What Russell was saying there, while Neil was watching the children, was, oh, the RNC didn't have any signs of Republican royalty like George Bush or Mitt Romney, which question mark over Mitt Romney being royalty, and that those figures might appear at the DNC, without for a single moment examining why that might be the case.
	Now, I don't think either Bush or Romney would ever show up to the DNC, Um, but the reason they weren't at the RNC was, uh, they don't like Donald Trump!
	Um, or at least, uh, Mitt Romney definitely doesn't.
	George Bush has a pledge not to critique other presidents, which could also be viewed as not wanting to draw the ire of the Trumpers.
	Um, but he reportedly You know, he didn't support Trump in his 2020 re-election bid and compared the Jan 6's to Al-Qaeda, which then pissed off Trump.
	Still... I mean, he just likes the word Al-Qaeda.
	That's... He does, that's just, yeah.
	That's 6 foot and a half, Jason.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, still no examination of any of this from Russell, though I've no doubt what line he would take.
	Oh, it's because Trump is a renegade and a populist and is working outside of the political establishment, blah blah blah blah blah, whereas Actually, no, it's just because he's an asshole and an idiot.
	W attended Trump's 2016 inauguration and apparently said to the other attendees afterwards, that was some weird shit.
	And I'm like, man, don't put me in a universe where I have to agree with George W. Bush.
	That's how words work.
	Sometimes the monkey types out Shakespeare.
	That's okay.
	It's going to happen eventually.
	But yeah, that's also an excellent piece of evidence as to why they're not participating.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's just like, nah, I'm not getting involved in this.
	Oh boy.
	So Russell continues talking about the RNC in this next clip and he has an important comparison to make.
	Obviously one of the things I felt on the RNC is that it's difficult to escape the image of Hulk Hogan tearing that top off.
	And as a person who's been part of the Hollywood liberal elite, me and myself, part of me thinks, wow, gosh, this is sort of rather gauche.
	that I'd want to see as a spectacle.
	But is it really any different than this?
	Is it just an aesthetic choice?
	Is George Clooney's endorsement really any more valuable than Hulk Hogan?
	Only if you prefer George Clooney to Hulk Hogan.
	You can't say there's an essential or fundamental quality that George Clooney has that Hulk Hogan doesn't have. - I would go so fast to say that given the way things have ruled out over the last few years that Hulk Hogan's more credible.
	- Right.
	- Who will go to the-- - I think George Clooney's burst his own credibility bubble.
	- With drunk Hogan's holes in bullies.
	Hulk Hogan has a sense of mystery.
	Oh he sure doesn't!
	What do you mean Hulk?
	Vest ripping apart.
	Yeah, the only way you can consider Hulk Hogan as something of a mystery is if you know nothing about the man, which is the case for these two individuals here.
	And this is concretely proven by Russell saying there's no essential component or quality George Clooney has that Hulk Hogan doesn't have.
	I say the available content on video of each of them.
	Yeah!
	He's all you need to point to!
	Off the top of my head I was like, well, charm and wit, for a start!
	But also, George Clooney doesn't appear to be a vehement racist, while Hulk Hogan definitely is!
	Back in 2012 there was that leaked sex tape of Hulk Hogan published by Gawker which Led to their eventual destruction when Hogan sued them and won.
	But what's notable is he said in this tape, quote, I am a racist, to a point.
	Fucking n-words.
	He also made the point he didn't want his daughter dating a black man.
	In more recent events, just last month Hogan hired a prominent influence, Essence Jenea, to promote his beer brand and seems to have fired her after the first day because he didn't realize that she was black.
	He then hired some new white brand ambassadors.
	And this month Hulk Hogan asked a large crowd if they wanted him to body slam Kamala Harris and drop the leg on her because, you know, the Republicans never advocate for political violence.
	But before he also questioned Harris's heritage, referred to her as a chameleon and asked if she is truly Indian.
	Oh dear.
	Dude, all of that shit is so incredibly weird.
	The thing is that it's the same kind of like...
	All these rich whites adjudicating her racial makeup or whatever is so difficult for me to engage with in the same way that the birth certificate thing is so incredibly difficult for me to engage with.
	Right.
	Like, guys.
	I can't.
	Like, how are you?
	How?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	This is this is not a conversation that should be had in reality.
	Dear oh dear.
	It's so absurd.
	In a more amusing difference between Hogan and George Clooney, Hulk Hogan has told a series of ridiculous lies throughout his life.
	Some highlights include that Elvis Presley was a fan of his, despite Elvis having died two years before Hogan ever debuted as a wrestler.
	That both the Rolling Stones and Metallica wanted him to play bass for the band.
	That he was offered the starring role in the film The Wrestler, but turned it down.
	And my personal favorite, during an appearance on Bubba the Love Sponge, Hogan claimed to have a 10-inch penis.
	And then, during the Gorka trial, he was forced to admit under oath in court that this was in fact not true, claiming he was speaking as the character Hulk Hogan at that time, and not as his actual human name, Terry Bollier. - I would say, yeah, like, of all people, Bubba is the most, like, Bubba knows.
	Bubba would know, because that was his wife.
	That was his wife, yep, yes.
	That, like, dude, what?
	Seriously, like, gestures to their booking fee.
	Like- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That on its own.
	What are we doing?
	Like, you'd have to pick very specific- Also, like, I'm not mad at wrestlers lying.
	It's their job.
	Bravado is part of their job.
	And it's like- Sure, sure.
	If you take what Hulk Hogan says at face value, that's on you, dawg.
	Like, sorry.
	That's on you.
	We're not holding him, but we're also not, like, making him up like a political figure with gravitas either.
	It was fucking weird to put him on stage!
	This is the difference.
	If George Clooney said, I have a 10 inch penis, I would be more inclined to believe what he's saying.
	You know, so there is, there is a distinction between those two men.
	He knows better than to ever say that dumb shit at all.
	They're barely the same species.
	So don't pick those two to compare.
	Yeah, it's not great.
	Bad idea!
	Dumb!
	Why?
	Jesus.
	Out of the two, I think I'm sticking with George.
	Anyway, so next, Neil and Russell get to talking about how switching between moments of joy like the dramas and then talking about tragedies like miscarriages or gun violence is very jarring.
	And I know this is something that's far more commonplace in American media and advertising, for instance, than it is in the UK, so the commentary is unsurprising.
	But they're oblivious of the fact that they're talking over several women who are stood on a stage advocating for gun control.
	One of which was a teacher who was present at the Sandy Hook school shooting.
	They do eventually realize, and then Russell makes an interesting choice.
	You know, it's drummers, and then it's, you know, and then it's without a breath, it segues into miscarriage or genuine, you don't know what you're going to get next.
	Do you know, like, don't you feel that in a general way when consuming culture, whether online or even on radio?
	It was remarked, I heard, that Bowie was one of the first artists that was able to create a kind of mosaics where, you know, there's kind of an incoherent group of ideas bundled together.
	And now we're just, yeah, used to one minute watching an advert for Screwfix and the next being, you know, confronted with a school shooting.
	Ah, it's confronting because you don't know what's real.
	You're questioning, are they real people or not all the time?
	And is this going to be somebody speaking from the heart about a tragedy or is this someone who's going to play the flute?
	Please flute, please flute.
	Oh no, it's tragedy from the heart.
	Human interest anecdote.
	It's tragedy from the heart, I'll go and put the kettle on.
	Next time I see a tragedy from the heart, I'm sparking up this kohiba.
	Enough is enough.
	By the way, just to clarify, not that anyone's asking, this is kombucha.
	And this is a cigar.
	There are no stimulants other than Neil's always riveting conversation.
	Thank you, Neil, for joining me.
	Do I detect the fetish?
	No way!
	If you could, it would soon be drowned out by fine Cuban tobacco.
	No, that's gratitude.
	That's the vapour of gratitude.
	Trying to read to them.
	Trying to drown out the sounds.
	No.
	Terror.
	Crying.
	Not sincerity.
	I carry that horrific day with me.
	Twenty beautiful first grade children.
	Oh yeah, shall we?
	Let's do that.
	Six of my beautiful colleagues.
	If you forgive me, mute the audio of PBS, but you can leave the visual.
	Nice, thank you.
	Now Neil, this is our best of moment.
	You can pip us up to, let's switch the ratios guys, if you don't mind.
	Like make me and Neil that and then there's footage of that.
	Ho!
	So, for those listening, what Russell just did was mute the audio and make the image of Russell and Neil larger and put the DNC coverage of those women speaking out about gun violence smaller.
	Also, they could cut to a segment that's taking shots at Michelle Obama and her speech the night before.
	So yeah, these callous motherfuckers.
	And yeah, Russell has done this, not just because it's heart-wrenching and hard to watch, but because these two British guys who live in a country not plagued by gun violence, because we have strict gun control, these two would not be able to watch those women speak out and disagree with them.
	Like, this is another case where anyone with a shred of empathy knows it's a clear and obvious choice.
	A very, very simple issue.
	But Russell has to ignore it completely because otherwise his options are to sit through it in silence or piss off his audience, neither of which he's willing to do.
	So let's mute it and whoop!
	They might remember they have kids and get sad.
	Or that they are also mortal and get sad and scared.
	Yeah.
	This is what I'm fucking talking about!
	With like...
	Oh, okay.
	It's just so hard to watch men whose jobs are the news.
	The news.
	You showed up.
	This is your choice to engage with politics and current affairs.
	Watching them hate the news actively.
	Turns my fucking stomach.
	Like I can't, I cannot deal with this.
	But I don't have to fucking mute you because I'm a goddamn adult.
	I also showed up to listen to it.
	So I'm going to listen to the whole thing because I'm grown and I can handle Pretty basic emotions.
	The whole news, not just selected parts of it that you want to engage with, you know?
	Yes, which I think that we're identifying as the other issue is like whenever they have to deal with raw, unedited...
	happening things happening in America not like filtered through Fox News or OAN or another like or like Alex Jones or whatever and then also filtered through Gareth Roy and then filtered down to Russell obviously like yeah reality looks a lot different than the picture of America that you get through your teeny tiny little pinhole of a lens and maybe this is you're not preparing
	the thing is folks that like either you got to be Alex Jones and you got to just like if you can't sing good sing loud and that's exactly what it's like if you can't news good news loud and that's what he's done and also he can riff in a way that like yeah is at least better.
	- Yeah, more engaging, certainly.
	- Yeah. - But they're really good, like the Bonginos of the world, they watch the news.
	So they know what the fuck they're talking about.
	And they can make their own, they can construct a narrative, not just be in this weird, contrarian, like the superficial of the superficial.
	He wants to at least be a contrarian about the subject matter, not just the words and pictures that are happening, blinking in front of your face in the moment.
	That's not gonna go well!
	Come on!
	No, and you end up having to switch people off so you don't have to address it.
	It doesn't make for a great show.
	It's pretty jarring.
	I mean, good lord.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, yeah, Alex Jones, like, he Yeah, he would be great at this.
	He would be practiced at this.
	He does three hours a day, well, when he feels like it.
	Well, he did for a long time.
	He's got muscle memory.
	And I'm not even saying it's great.
	It's just he can keep that.
	Well, that's also probably why he has a substance abuse problem is because he has to.
	To keep it going.
	And it's impossible to do.
	Yeah.
	It's not, you know, that's, that's.
	It's not sustainable.
	Yeah.
	Jim Jones was like chewing his teeth out of his head by the end.
	Like that's you.
	It's not a sustainable, like being a weird, crazy prophet is not sustainable.
	Yeah, but it does make for a more engaging show.
	Yeah, because otherwise you're this.
	Otherwise you're two men.
	You're piles of laundry on a love seat.
	You're two men, one couch.
	That's what you are.
	That's what this has become.
	I feel like that'd be a whole Pornhub.
	I feel like that would actually be way more popular and interesting for a certain group of people.
	I think you're probably right.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	Oh dear.
	So from here, we move on to a different speaker because the whole bit about Michelle Obama, there are a couple of technical issues and they just never made it work.
	And Russell lights his cigar with Neil looking on longingly before we return yet again to the subject of George Bush.
	I flew in the Navy during the first Gulf War.
	America rallied our allies to kick out a tyrant who invaded a neighbor.
	Today...
	That's brilliant.
	That's what's so nerve-wracking because there's no way to predict what they're going to follow, what will follow.
	You know, they go from something, you know, desperately, whatever.
	- What's Trump's answer? - Our man, Gareth, makes a fantastic point.
	Of like that, what did George represent when it was necessary for him to represent?
	He represented an invasion into Iraq under false pretenses.
	He was the Trump of his era.
	He's an idiot.
	And now, it's convenient, he's invited in, he's a fun killer, he does watercolour paintings!
	Nothing has any meaning.
	Michelle Obama's speech could be the best speech in history.
	George W. Bush can be reinstated as an elder and a hero because nothing has any meaning.
	I'm saying this from a non-partisan perspective.
	I'm not saying that the answer is for Hulk Hogan to come out and tear his shirt open.
	I don't think so.
	That's your team's fault though.
	Donald Trump is a hell of a traitor.
	He was too busy turning up to dictators.
	Earnestness seeming of becoming one himself.
	- It was kind of an, I have a dream echo to the whole, well, it's supposed to be there.
	- Yeah. - They're mad that sometimes people mean it.
	Yeah, sometimes people actually mean the things that come out of their mouth.
	That does happen.
	And also, like, maybe there should be a little bit of that sort of vibe when it comes to potentially electing the first female president in history.
	And not just that, but the first black Asian female president in history.
	So, you know, maybe there should be the sense that this could be a big deal in some way or another.
	Like, you're allowed a bit of that, I think.
	Once again, Russell here is claiming to be bipartisan while roundly criticizing the left and the DNC, compared to attending the RNC and worshipping almost any guest who would come and see him in that time, except possibly for Charlie Kirk.
	He keeps talking about George Bush as though he's definitely there and has definitely been invited to speak.
	And it's easy to say this in hindsight, but George Bush was not invited.
	Because to do so would have been insane on a number of levels.
	But Russell insists on presenting this rumor as actual fact for the sake of flinging shit at the left and... Oh look, that's the entire show.
	Okay, cool.
	That's just the game in a nutshell.
	But yeah, he's acting as though this is definitely happening.
	Um, in order to be able to be like, wow, these people... Well, listen, I'm sure there were plenty of streams on Rumble and Twitch and elsewhere with, like, QAnon influencers or, you know, people think, like, libs of TikTok transvestigators or whatever that are saying far more, like, that are making up narratives that are a lot more out there than George Bush showing up.
	True.
	Very true.
	You know what they do?
	Commit to the bit.
	Or drop it if it's not working and move on to something else.
	Yeah.
	But instead, we keep hammering on the George Bush line.
	I'm just like, yeah.
	And in case anyone missed it, or in case you missed it, yeah, that was this chap saying, oh, you know, we stopped someone invading a sovereign country.
	And then Gareth Roy off screen shouting, and next up, George Bush, you know, to make a joke about Iraq.
	Yeah.
	Gareth really wants to be back on screen again, I think.
	He does occasionally just shout things back.
	I bet he's also frustrated because they're doing a bad job.
	They're doing a bad job, and the thing is, like, Gareth could be entertaining.
	I remember those heady days when he was there.
	They couldn't ping pong.
	Yeah.
	Gareth should be sitting there.
	Genuinely, it's been like almost a year.
	Why is he not sitting there?
	I don't know.
	That's crazy!
	Because like, this isn't the main show.
	Like, this would be okay for him to be there, you would think, but no.
	Still not going.
	Still not doing it.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	They have experience and they have banter, right?
	Like, they actually could do it.
	Yeah, they've been friends for like 20 years, you know?
	If I were Gareth Roy and I was watching this, I would spontaneously combust with frustration.
	Because they're doing such a bad job!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	He's probably vibrating off to the side.
	Yeah, I fucking whoopie too!
	I often do, and I'm like, oh my god, this is so boring, I want to die!
	Yeah, yeah, it happens, man.
	There's an instinct for entertainment that is a Not here!
	Or, I mean, there's also not a consideration for, like, there are people fucking watching you!
	You are not at home!
	Yeah, it's almost like they just don't give a shit, you know?
	They're just like, eh, almost.
	Yeah, right.
	Genuinely, the lack of crea- like, separately from the content, just the presentation, I am insulted by the lack of creativity.
	Like, yeah, care about doing a good job.
	Care about being a fucking professional.
	This is also very telling that, like, all the bells and whistles of people behind the scenes that have to make people like Neil Oliver look interesting.
	Because he gets to be on the whole-ass TV.
	He does.
	He does.
	And if this is what he does without his production team, that's telling.
	Yes, yes.
	Very much the same with Russell, I will say.
	Not exactly a font of charisma, if you ask me.
	No.
	Or knowledge.
	So, from here we apparently get to something that's already been debunked.
	That should save me some time.
	But now you don't know from moment to moment where they're going to go.
	I'm holding out for Dan Quayle, actually.
	That's a fact check.
	I think it's been largely debunked.
	Trump saying that.
	Which one?
	What did he say there?
	He said that Trump called military veterans suckers and losers.
	He didn't say that.
	That's been utterly debunked.
	- It's been largely debunked Trump saying that.
	- Which one, what did he say there? - He said that Trump called military veterans suckers and losers, he didn't say that.
	- That's been utterly debunked.
	I don't think there's a lot of shred of fact that.
	- But it doesn't matter.
	- It doesn't matter.
	George W. Bush, bring him out.
	Billionaires are good.
	Billionaires are bad.
	You just see it.
	This billionaires thing that Russell keeps mentioning is just the fact that Bernie Sanders is against billionaires and then your dear governor, JB Pritzker, made the point of how he's an actual billionaire when compared to Trump in his speech at the DNC.
	That's all that was.
	Shockingly, not all corners of the Democratic Party agree on everything.
	I know that's a newsflash.
	That's all he's getting at.
	Anyway, Russell and Neil are trying to say that this Trump calling the military suckers and losers thing has been completely and utterly debunked, that it never happened, and Trump certainly wants it to seem that way.
	But the comments came from a multi-sourced article in The Atlantic and have been confirmed since by Trump's former Chief of Staff John Kelly.
	I will say, in fairness, he didn't call the entire US military or veterans suckers and losers.
	What he did was, I think, worse.
	In 2018, he cancelled a visit to the Ayman American Cemetery near Paris and to read directly from The Atlantic piece, quote, Trump rejected the idea of the visit because he feared his hair would become disheveled in the rain, and because he did not believe it important to honour American war dead, according to four people with first-hand knowledge of the discussion that day.
	In a conversation with senior staff members on the morning of the scheduled visit, Trump said, In a separate conversation on the same trip, Trump referred to more than 1,800 Marines who lost their lives at Belleau Woods as suckers for getting killed.
	Unquote.
	Um, this, this tracks.
	Um, as he'd already previously said, John McCain wasn't a war hero because he was captured by the Vietnamese and he prefers people who weren't captured.
	Holy shit.
	Now, here's the thing.
	Yeah.
	Mike, my partner, is very funny.
	I'm spoiled.
	I'm, I, but also doesn't laugh at anything, so I have to, it's like training at high altitude, but.
	Right, right.
	Which honestly is fine, because when I crack them, oh, it's very satisfying.
	Yeah, it's good.
	And part of that humor is very dark and saying terrible things to me.
	Yes.
	That will be on the record as a president forever.
	Yeah, this didn't feel like a joke, you know?
	Well, honestly, I'm engaging with it.
	Listen, it's so dark.
	Again, if it's parody, funny.
	That's a funny, weird, like a funny, terrible thing to say as an aside that will not be recorded by anyone.
	Just know you're fucking, like, know where you, it's professionalism.
	It's just what these guys are, like, they're so used to being fucking lazy and phoning it in and anything that they say has no, like, ramifications that, like, they just aren't, they're, they don't have to, like, consider their audience or watch what they say because they want to be good people, not because they feel pressure from cancel culture.
	Like, you don't want, like, I understand where Mike is coming from entirely.
	When like a, you know, a joke that would not be in good taste in front of other people and they're not like, please like, listen, these are not like, oh, can you take a joke?
	Incel shit.
	Like this is like funny, silly things that we know is like a dark, that's dark humor.
	Genuinely.
	Like that's straight up.
	That sounds like a military guy making a joke.
	If I ever heard like, that's, that's something that like any like vet commentator on I don't know.
	Sure, sure.
	And doctors make dark jokes and that kind of thing all the time.
	Absolutely.
	I don't think Donald Trump is...
	is the type of person to do that, for a start.
	I shouldn't.
	That's what I'm saying.
	He shouldn't.
	Don't do that.
	Yeah, I don't think he was kidding, but we'll never know.
	Oh, no, no.
	I'm not saying that he is or is.
	I'm saying if you're going, like, I'm engaging with it in the best possible faith.
	I'm not attributing necessarily his internal experience at all.
	I'm telling you what the words are and the excuse that could be made is, like, if you're somebody else, because the whole point is say that, think that, do whatever.
	As a human being, you're the fucking president and you need to know that you're being recorded and you won't people report what you say.
	And if you cannot have the presence of mind to be that professional, then you are not qualified for the job.
	Just like these guys aren't qualified for this fucking job right here.
	Not nearly as much as a 14 year old fucking Minecraft player on Twitch.
	You are not good enough at this job to do this.
	And if you keep saying things into a microphone, people are eventually going to start paying attention.
	Don't do that!
	Yeah, Trump needs to say fewer things out loud, and these two need to say more things out loud.
	Think first!
	That's literally all I'm saying.
	Think before you fucking speak if you are being recorded!
	Come on!
	That's what I'm saying.
	In privacy, that's the thing.
	In privacy, the comments that we make next to each other whenever we're watching fucking dumb shit on Netflix is not of the same consequence As giving a reason why you're not showing up to a memorial at a cemetery!
	That person not only behaves badly, but doesn't know how to behave right, which is genuinely part of the appeal to the megacrowd, something that we need to engage with realistically.
	I also don't think that it was necessarily that wrong for a politician to decide that standing in the rain was a bad idea, because Rishi Sunak decided to stand in the rain anyway, and it also didn't go well.
	So, he has the capability for propriety, which can be fixed with an umbrella.
	Yeah, we come back to the invention of umbrellas, that's what I was going to say.
	Like, these are solvable problems.
	He can reason, like he has the capability to reason what his public presentation will look like.
	In the same thought!
	Yeah.
	Figure it out!
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's priorities.
	They're fascinating things.
	Anyway, so next Russell leaves YouTube.
	Rumble is our home.
	Rumble is what we believe in.
	We're streaming on YouTube simply as a gateway drug to invite you to the purer high that's available on Rumble.
	That's why we're leaving YouTube, because even that drug analogy is the sort of thing you get banned.
	I mean, look at the chat.
	All right, so we'll be seeing you.
	We don't need to do a countdown.
	We're going to watch Kamala's speech.
	Remember, we're in the UK doing this.
	We don't feel very well.
	I don't even smoke.
	I mean, this is just an attempt to keep myself vivid.
	So yeah, you can watch it on YouTube.
	Yeah, who knows where this cigar could end up.
	In honour of Bill Clinton.
	It is the DNC, after all.
	Don't get swept up in it, because you're gonna start taking this seriously.
	Join us over on Rumble, click the link in the description guys.
	See you in a second.
	Rumble.
	That was really good.
	Rumble.
	Fuck me.
	Yeah, that was terrific, wasn't it, Russell?
	So I think Neil is enjoying his first experience of live streaming a little bit.
	He enjoys the adoration anyway, but I do appreciate his sarcastic comment that Rumble is for the cognoscenti.
	Essentially calling every single viewer on Rumble a dumbass, but he said it in just a dry enough way that it could pass as being genuine.
	Really?
	Yeah!
	Just about, just about.
	Oh dear.
	Look at the chat.
	But straight up though, I am responding to, I get that there are Twitch streams that I've even happened upon and there is so much happening on the screen that I don't even, I don't think I'm evolved enough as a person.
	I was born too late to know what's going on.
	And it can be very overstimulating.
	Exactly.
	I had that written down.
	Yes.
	Overstimulating.
	Overwhelming.
	You know what?
	And this is like the polar opposite.
	Because genuinely, people respond to that.
	That's like the reality of streaming.
	There's got to be something to keep people's attention.
	And the chat is there.
	People will be excited if you listen to them.
	Hmm?
	It is shocking to them.
	Neil's not that dumb.
	Also, he's on TV.
	I would imagine he's not gonna read out the too many blacks comments.
	He's not Anchorman.
	Like, come on.
	He's not, you know, he's not Ron Burgundy.
	Like, he's a, he's a, like, there is a lot of, like, Russell only limited, like, Russell's no budding too.
	And like, yeah, Neil, talk to those people.
	They'll be really excited to be acknowledged.
	And you don't have, like, Last resort, you don't have gas, you don't have the juice, and anything else, so engage with the chat.
	Engage with the people.
	For me, I have to listen to you for the rest of this episode!
	Please do something interesting.
	God, this is like...
	At least when you watch paint dry, the thing you painted is a different color at the end.
	Like, that's a work product.
	Like, this is really, like, he's mad.
	And it's just, it's shocking that Neil, like, I think that Neil's trying to get, like, I think he is trying to engage as well, and he keeps hammering at this point because, again, lack of creativity, which is a fucking bummer.
	That he's critiquing the fact that this pep rally, DNC's a fucking pep rally, and they're really good at keeping people's attention.
	Yeah.
	Because they're fucking professionals at it.
	Yeah, they've been doing it a while.
	I think this is the one thing they do really, and they don't always do really well, this year, I think they knocked it out of the park.
	Very effective, yes.
	And you're mad about people being interesting, and yeah, Having watched this, even a little bit, I bet!
	I bet you're real fucking mad.
	And you weren't cognizant of knowing why you're so upset about it.
	Yup, yup.
	The tiniest, tiniest touch of jealousy there and just lack of awareness.
	That little green devil of envy is upon your shoulder in this moment, sir.
	Yeah.
	Yes, indeed.
	Oh boy.
	So next up we get something of a callback.
	You guys are gonna see the sun come up before Kamala comes on, and that was one of our fears when we agreed to this, wasn't it, girls?
	That it'll be in the sort of cold light of day.
	How can that be?
	What Wilde would call the shameful day.
	You know, like, this all seems sort of fun when it's generally night time.
	If it's light out there, and we're watching us talking about being unburdened, what my vibe might have been, I'm not gonna be happy, mate.
	I can't take that.
	That's gotta take place in the hours of dark.
	That's how she does it.
	It's what has been.
	Over where you are.
	Or are you suggesting that you're somehow the future in Kamala's mangled mind?
	And what might be?
	It might be this.
	Could it be that?
	Unburden yourself.
	That's what Biden does.
	In front of the Pope.
	Oh, these boys are having fun now.
	This is just a little tidbit that harks all the way back to 2021 when Twitter was flooded with the rumour that Biden had in fact shat his pants while meeting with the Pope.
	This is not based on any material fact whatsoever.
	This claim wasn't derived from photos or videos of Biden or any credible news reports at all.
	The rumor appears to have been started, or at least popularized, by former Nevada Republican Party chairwoman and frequent Newsmax guest Amy Tarkanian, who posted the following message to Twitter.
	Quote, The word around Rome is that Biden's meeting with the Pope was unusually long because Biden had a bit of an unbathroom accident at the Vatican and it had to be addressed prior to him leaving.
	I know we joke often about this, but this is the actual rumor going around Rome now.
	Unquote.
	And as we all know, rumors are facts now.
	Yeah, this is essentially just Neil Oliver regurgitating memes.
	This is the standard.
	This is the standard of credible journalism we have to expect from these individuals.
	And GB News as well, I suppose.
	Yeah, that's the other bonkers, like, I never heard that.
	I don't remember that at all.
	Yeah, that was doing the rounds for a little while.
	It's completely insane.
	If you get your news from X, again, you're going to have a skewed perception.
	This is why you just don't confront reality.
	Unless you're very prepared.
	Yeah, yeah, so if you're then watching the presidential debate and you're like, well, this is the guy who shat his pants in front of the Pope, like, well, yeah, that probably went as well as you expected, you know?
	Yeah, he's probably doing great!
	Yes, exactly!
	Like, he didn't shit himself, alright, that's a win, you know?
	If that's the perspective you're going in with.
	Oh, these fucking chuckleheads.
	So, Russell has at some point been made aware of the Taylor Swift rumors, as opposed to it just being George Bush, and seems to kind of mostly let go of the idea that Bush might be arriving.
	And the pair of them aren't happy at the prospect of Taylor, but not for the reasons you might think.
	You've got the air of someone that could go hysterical at night time, I'm seeing that now.
	Well, you know what, at this time of day I would normally be taking somewhere to be shuttled down.
	You can settle down here.
	I mean, look, we've got, who knows, we've got this guy, we've got Taylor Swift.
	The fact actually that Taylor Swift's arrived, I don't find that encouraging because what I see is we're not going to bed till the milk floats are out.
	And there's a reference to the British among you.
	Is there an intention to keep us, to keep the world hanging on, not knowing if Campbell's coming on or not?
	Because they must have known when Taylor Swift's plane was landing.
	If you'd invited her, you'd have factored that in, wouldn't you?
	You'd know that she was either going to be on before Kamala or after Kamala.
	I would say Taylor Swift has got to immediately proceed.
	Be unburdened by Taylor Swift and enjoy what might be the Kamala Harris presidency.
	I reckon, mate, that, yeah, that's how it's going to roll out.
	Just go to bed.
	They're there just constantly.
	You would be amazed how many instances of them talking about how late it is and they don't know when Carmel is going to be on that I cut out.
	Because they are just furious.
	No, I wouldn't.
	I 100% expect this.
	Thinking that this is content that people actually want to watch of you just complaining that you don't want to be there.
	Yeah, sure.
	Somewhere around 3am.
	I'm like, oh, good lord.
	What does make sense is if watching like if like the viewers what they're really getting out of this and maybe this is their like their kink and they're getting this in spades.
	It's like two 50-something dudes being tortured by having to be kept awake.
	Just like two exhausted men like lightly tortured and like Not being allowed to sleep.
	If that's what you're here for, this is top-notch.
	This is the jam.
	Yeah, this is it.
	They very clearly hate it.
	Very clearly hate it.
	So then, you are getting exactly what you want.
	Take a fucking disco nap!
	Did you not know you were gonna be here today?
	Well, what baffles me as well is the decision of doing, for Russell, doing a live comedy stand-up set on the same day as this, you know, mere hours before.
	I'm like, Jesus, surely, surely you would schedule them for different days.
	That's gotta be exhausting.
	Actually, you know what?
	I think that speaks to it was not scheduled.
	I think they didn't, no.
	It feels very last minute, actually.
	Because then he might have bought cigars, you know?
	Might have had a charcuterie.
	Some catering?
	Like that's, that's the thing is like, this is, this feels very like, it feels very slapdash probably because it is.
	And they can't hang.
	They can't do it.
	Maybe, maybe.
	But then, but then I'm 99% sure that Neil Oliver was there for, for this.
	Um, like the, the, this was part of the equation of Neil Oliver bothering to come down from Scotland, you know?
	Um, but, hmm.
	Hmm.
	I don't know.
	We'll never know, I suppose.
	But, um, but yeah.
	I mean, either way, it's not very prepared.
	Well, right, okay.
	Yeah, either way.
	They could do a good job if they wanted to do a good job.
	Yes, yes, indeed they could.
	Here we are anyway.
	So from here, while talking over yet another speaker, we learn that, well, Trump is just blamed for everything.
	We saw some of the heaviest combat of the war.
	And when we got home, the government failed to help us readjust.
	We have a duty to care for our patriots who serve our nation.
	But other than a brief interlude of four years in 2016, the Democrats have been in power for twelve years, the period that this man is decrying.
	Trump's to blame for everything since the beginning of time, right up until now.
	Then there's meaty rights.
	Kill the dinosaurs.
	Trump.
	That's what I went for, as a reference.
	Hilarious.
	So the guy they're talking over here is Congressman Ruben Gallego of Arizona, who is actually running for Senate now, up against none other than Carrie Lake.
	If Russell knew this, or anything at all, he might be paying more attention.
	No.
	Hey, Eddie.
	No.
	Why?
	No, also no.
	In any case, they're making the claim that in the period of time Geiger was talking about, where he returned from war and he and his fellow veterans weren't looked after, the Democrats have primarily had control of the country.
	And leaving aside the fact that just because someone is president doesn't mean they also control the House and the Senate.
	And the Republicans, despite all their bluster, are famously shit when it comes to looking after veterans.
	There is also the fact that Ruben Gallego returned from Iraq back in 2006 after having served in the Marines for four years.
	So we're talking about the presidency of none other than George W. Bush!
	So actually, this would have been a great time for Russell to present his rumour as fact yet again and make digs at the idea that the Democrats would invite W to the DNC despite having, you know, fucked up this guy's, um, you know, veteran care, etc.
	But again, this would require Russell to have a single clue about what was going on.
	And he very evidently does not.
	And I will say, Gallego's cited issues with Trump in this speech are, yes, him calling the military losers, etc., but also the fact that Project 2025 aims to destroy veteran benefits and force VA hospitals into closure.
	It's every bad idea.
	It's amazing.
	Yeah, but Russell and Neil were talking over that bit, so there we go.
	They never get to actually Engage with any of it!
	Good, good!
	Well right, well even like, quick on your feet compared to like a Bongino, right?
	A Bongino type.
	Is what you say, like what you can say, like that's the thing is also I, I mean if you were to hear about a complaint of anything that happens on this stage, only like a real one, uh that like, you can also just call out Democrats for like, He's talking to a crowd that has not done any better in taking care of veterans.
	There's plenty of, like, meat on that bone if you want to chew away at it.
	And you don't have to mention Trump at all.
	You can act like Trump is like, and what really what Alex Jones does is like, well, Trump was in office and didn't have, like, was new.
	It's the benefit, like, oh, vote for him, he's an outsider businessman, and then as soon as he shows up, the reason he doesn't get anything done that you wanted him to get done, well, he's an outsider businessman, so he didn't have access and didn't have the juice to get it done.
	A perfect duality that will exempt him from any kind of blame from the MAGA movement, right?
	So you've got this guy Who's like, OK, well, you're talking to the wrong people and they're not going to take care of you either.
	And then you can say X, Y, Z, all the things that happened that were bad under the Democrats for vets like coming home like that.
	Yeah.
	There's so much material and they have none.
	They have none.
	Yeah, it's remarkable.
	It really is.
	It's incredible.
	I was sat there watching this like, man, I could do a better job than this.
	I really, genuinely, you know?
	A ham sandwich could do a fucking better job!
	And it doesn't take much.
	It really doesn't.
	Oh boy.
	Boy, oh boy.
	This is a clinic in doing a bad job.
	I'm so glad we're sitting through all of it.
	Not all of it, you did.
	To be fair.
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	Complain about it, everybody will love it.
	Anyway, joking.
	Anyway, joking.
	But like, again, this like, if it's like torture porn for like, irritating middle-aged men, Again.
	They're really over it.
	They're so over it.
	For the Colin Robinsons of the world, this is exactly what they want.
	Their eyes are glowing and they're like, right now, I love it.
	I'm pretending that that's who this is for now, and I'm so happy for them.
	That's Yes, yeah, you know, there's a kink for everyone, right?
	Next up, Neil questions why it is people even hate Trump at all.
	I've actually forgotten why they hate Trump so much.
	I mean, apart from some ill-advised things he said.
	What's at the root of the absolute movement?
	Look, I can remember, when he first announced that he was running, the world being what it is, everything a matter of record, there's loads of videos of me going, you can't have Donald Trump as president, it's ridiculous, he's insane!
	And when he said those things like, you can't have the drug dealers coming across the border, I was like, fucking hell, this guy's out of control, man.
	But like, you know, since Biden began to emulate his border policies anyway, the much-mooted cages were there prior to his tenure, he sort of just started over time to recognise it was a kind of a hatchet job.
	It didn't hurt anyone.
	Aha.
	Trump didn't hurt anyone at all during his presidency.
	Or before it, or since.
	I mean.
	This one is honestly so fucking insane.
	It's like, where do you start?
	How do you have a conversation with someone who is like, Trump didn't hurt anyone.
	I mean, like, on an interpersonal level, Donald Trump is a sexual predator and has absolutely physically hurt women personally.
	And this is without even getting to the harm that he's caused people of colour, the LGBTQ plus community and women all across the United States.
	Muslims!
	Muslims!
	Because of his very intentionally awful judicial appointments, as well as his rhetoric of misogyny, white supremacy and general bigotry, his terrible fucking executive orders.
	Like, this is pure fantasy that Neil Oliver is presenting here.
	And how do you even engage with that?
	How do you combat that?
	You know?
	Well, again, here's the thing.
	Neil was trying to start a bit.
	He knows it's stupid.
	He knew it was just a place to start.
	There has to be part of Neil's brain that's like, I'm sitting here with a comedian in my jams in the middle of the night.
	He's trying to start a bit.
	He wants to riff with Russell.
	Now, if you're creative and smart and funny, Mystery Science Theater, the Mads, everybody, they can make a joke out of anything because they're very good.
	Yeah.
	I think it's reasonable for Neil to partially be frustrated that, like, I'm thinking, like, I'm...
	Like, comedians in the world can make Manos the Hands of Fate hilarious and interesting.
	I should at least be able to engage Russell and he can give me back anything and all Russell is giving him is blowing the cigar smoke in his face to taunt him.
	That's what's happening!
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	So they hate being there, and they're starting to really hate each other.
	So... Yeah, yeah, things are getting interesting in the wee hours of the morning.
	For you boredom pervs, you're welcome.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The other thing they do cite in Trump's defense is, oh, he didn't bomb anyone.
	And, well, yes, he did.
	He assassinated that dude and a bunch of others with a drone.
	But also, he wanted to bomb North Korea and Iran, especially Iran.
	Really wanted to bomb Iran.
	A dude got chopped up!
	There is footage of it!
	You can hear!
	That was, that's, that's the, like Trump, now Trump didn't physically, personally do it.
	Is that what Neil's talking about?
	He didn't go cut up Jamal Khashoggi himself.
	No, it would mess his hair up.
	And obviously that we know, we now know, beyond a reasonable doubt, he's not going to do things to mess up his hair.
	He's very precious about that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Oh dear.
	So from here, Russell finally offers his guest a refreshment of some kind before we get a terrific take from the rumble chat.
	Would you like a drink?
	I'd love that.
	And well, yeah, what would you like to drink?
	You can drink alcohol.
	What, you're going to give Neil alcohol?
	He can drink alcohol.
	You're not alcoholic, are you?
	May I?
	May I?
	You're going to get... I'm going to get what?
	Well, you're drunk.
	I'm going to get...
	To defend American values at home.
	Oh, you're drunk.
	Peacock.
	I was relieved to discover that because I've heard something about my...
	What I like about Rumble, one of the many things, is that you will just get a comment like this from CryptoAce3.
	Red shoes equals Cedo.
	Who are these red shoes?
	This dude.
	I think he came out with silk.
	Is he wearing red shoes with a green tie?
	That's ill-advised.
	Well I'm more than that by some people's reckoning.
	Red and green should never be seen except upon an Irish Colin.
	And little children of a certain age should not be with in your range.
	Yeah, Russell.
	What's that about?
	Rat eyes.
	People like the brutality.
	Sometimes I don't look.
	It's just sort of such a dreadful mirror.
	Because sometimes they may turn on me.
	Or you.
	We're all... I'm afraid to read some of O's.
	No, don't just read O's.
	Be careful.
	We're not on YouTube anymore.
	Don't do that.
	Oh dear.
	I don't feel like Neil Oliver should be dishing out fashion advice that's just that's just what I mean he's wearing a cravat with a t-shirt and an open shirt and I'm like that that's not that shouldn't be a situation.
	Anyway yeah don't don't start reading out that chat Neil.
	Things will get hairy real quick as yeah we've already described.
	They almost had a riff.
	They almost started a riff.
	Almost.
	Yeah, the chat has already described former Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger as a rat-faced pedophile.
	And his shoes are kind of brown, by the way, not particularly red for reference.
	You could maybe argue reddish-brown at the best, but hey, what does it matter?
	And again, like, here we have an example where if either of these two idiots were paying attention, they could really hammer home their whole uniparty idea, right?
	That all the two main parties are exactly the same, because look, it's a Republican coming to talk at the DNC!
	It's not George Bush, but it's something, but instead they're far more interested in calling him a pedo because of the color of his shoes.
	And good lord, they are bad at this!
	Well, he's a rhino, so he doesn't count.
	And so everyone is allowed, you know, all the pilled chatters are allowed.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, and I think that the point was made a lot, you know, I saw a discussion about how, like, you made time for a bunch of Republicans, but you didn't want Uncommitted to speak.
	And even the guy that was gonna, or the person, I don't remember who it was, but the human who was slated to speak for the uncommitted delegates was like with the Atlantic Council and there's like anti-Hamas like language in this five minute speech that was like Totally okay.
	Totally okay.
	So I think that like, yeah, and I've heard a lot of complaint and a lot of analysis from my media diet, how it is shocking that the DNC is so afraid of Even engaging with comments about Israel and critiquing anything that's happening.
	It would go so well for voters, but they're so afraid to say anything or they just don't want to and you can't really make that assessment because all it looks like is they're not engaging with people they should.
	Yeah, yeah, there are a lot of legitimate things about this event to critique.
	As ever with these individuals, it's like, oh no no, there are actual things we can talk about.
	There are actual problems with this stuff.
	It's just, that's not what you're engaging with at all.
	Literally at all.
	Instead we have rat-faced pedophile.
	Great.
	Good stuff.
	Okay.
	They get paid to talk about the news and they fucking hate the news.
	And they hate learning.
	They're so profoundly intellectually uncurious as humans.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Problematically so.
	And next we learn something about Neil Oliver.
	element of the way in which people are pitched, she is pitched.
	Hand on heart, not only but partly because I wasn't paying particularly close attention.
	When I was aware of Kamala Harris to begin with, I didn't notice what, her ethnicity didn't register with me at all.
	Right, that's good.
	I mean, I'm not saying love me, love me, I'm pure of heart or anything, but I just didn't, it never occurred to me that she was what she was at all.
	I didn't think about it in that respect.
	It was only when some other people made it an issue that I thought, oh right, right, and I didn't know, oh.
	Oh!
	So Neil Oliver didn't know Kamala Harris was a person of color, apparently.
	And he seems to be presenting this as a sort of, I don't see color moment.
	Yeah, he's colorblind.
	Oh my god, let's send him a medal.
	Yeah.
	That's a fucking problematic perspective in and of itself.
	Sure is.
	But also, he tipped his hat very briefly in saying, well, I wasn't particularly paying attention.
	And given Neil's track record, I think we found the answer.
	Also, like, what a weird thing to bring into the conversation.
	He did bring this up of his own volition, and it's as though he's, like, defending himself against an imaginary opponent calling him racist.
	Like, he's shadowboxing, like, well, all these other people are asking whether she's black or Indian and I didn't even know!
	Like, it's just, it's bizarre to bring up.
	Is it?
	This seems totally on brand for these people.
	It's, it's, it's, It's on brand for the alt-right in general to be having that very conversation at the moment, as they are.
	But this just came up, nobody else brought this up, just Neil Oliver out of the blue.
	You know that whole colour thing?
	Maybe you don't want to bring that up, Neil.
	Maybe you want to steer away from this subject.
	You know, well, I don't see color.
	OK.
	He's also a rich, spoiled dick.
	So he's used to people saying that.
	And he's like, oh, yeah, I agree.
	We're totally not racist.
	And moving on into his miserable life that he only can have because other people suffer.
	That's how capitalism works.
	He gets to stay in his class and swan around and pretend he's Just he's he has no biases whatsoever that's yes that's like yeah that to me is like the most standard fare for any of this kind like a grouping of this kind it's pretty yeah pretty normal yeah just uh He's desperate for riffs.
	He wants Russell to give him anything, so bad.
	Maybe that's what it is.
	I think that's exactly what it is.
	He's just like, here's something we can talk about.
	It should work.
	And in that way, I do feel empathy that he's like trying to get Russell to give him anything.
	Anything!
	Please, let's even talk about this thing we shouldn't talk about.
	Please, let's just do something.
	Oh, good lord.
	Yeah.
	Oh, wow.
	Floundering.
	For me, a Russell display is just, honestly, staggering levels of ignorance.
	I hadn't.
	She was good in no debate at all.
	You know the primaries, when the Democrats held primaries a few cycles ago, she was most, she was promising.
	She took down Biden on his record, she did some pretty good stuff.
	So why do you think she didn't get anywhere then?
	Because she didn't.
	I mean, she was absolutely not wanted.
	Like, not wanted to the nth degree.
	My understanding is that she was not appealing.
	But like, you know.
	And yet, now she's... can walk on water.
	To see our daughters grow up in a world with fewer rights than our mothers.
	Look at the backdrop where she's giving that speech.
	Stand up to powerful interests Fewer rights People will open the door for you and leave it open Gareth would be like this, look at the backdrop where she's giving that speech There you go, you're paying attention to a thing Use my language But that in a sense, in a single frame you have what's discussed and what's not discussed There she is at APAC Silently over the right shoulder.
	That's not what that said.
	That's not what that was!
	Yeah, so you paid attention to a thing but also got it wrong.
	All right, three things about this clip.
	Firstly, Kamala Harris didn't do that great in 2020 because her campaign was a little bit of a shambles.
	And it had already been decided, apparently, that it was to be Joe Biden's turn, which is fucked up and would have been a better subject of conversation for these two.
	The reason Russell is saying that she did well back then is because in the Democratic primary debates, Harris spent a good five minutes shitting on Joe Biden's record.
	And Russell likes that quite a bit.
	He's seen that clip and enjoyed it.
	Because it shits on Joe Biden.
	Good.
	Right.
	Fits what he wants.
	Secondly, in the time spent as Vice President, Kamala Harris has improved significantly as a politician.
	Her speeches in particular are orders of magnitude better than they were four years ago.
	And this shouldn't come as a shock to anyone with the understanding that working at something often means you get better at it.
	But it does seem to perplex Neil Oliver a little bit there.
	And thirdly-- - Wonder why. - Yeah, right.
	I just keep doing this and I'm still shite.
	Thirdly, Russell just said, "Oh, Gareth will love this.
	It's Kamala Harris talking at AIPAC," referring to the sign behind Harris as she's talking.
	Russell is meaning the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC, spelled A-I-P-A-C.
	Whereas the sign Kamala Harris was sat in front of was A-P-A-I-C-S, AIPACs, right?
	Which stands for the Asian Pacific American Institute for Congressional Studies, which specifically is an organization dedicated to promoting Asian American and Native Hawaiian slash Pacific Islander participation and representation at all levels of political process, from community service to elected office, and you can kind of see why Harris would be speaking at one of their events!
	You're like, oh no, that completely makes sense and is not nefarious in any way whatsoever.
	And it's kind of remarkable seeing Russell as a fish out of water without realizing he's a fish out of water.
	Like, at this point, he doesn't know that he doesn't know things.
	Like, he's not got his autocue, he's not got his script, and even with Gareth Roy off screen, he is still showing his ass here.
	Just now?
	That he's in it over his head?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Oh dear.
	Oh, and yeah.
	Yeah, I wanted to give him credit for paying a little bit of attention and then like, ah, nope, nope.
	Ah, nope, fucked it.
	No.
	Immediately fucked it up.
	And yeah, the rights being taken away, Russell, are, you know, rights to reproductive health care and bodily autonomy, you dick.
	Yeah, wasn't paying particular attention to that, evidently.
	Um, alright.
	From here, Kamala Harris finally arrives.
	And, um, surprisingly, they're not pleased.
	Please welcome the Democratic nominee for President, Vice President of the United States- Hold on.
	What's happening?
	Kamala Harris.
	Wait a minute, where the fuck is Taylor Swift?
	Where's Taylor Swift?
	Get- get- Who is this Harris woman?
	We were waiting for Taylor Swift.
	Oh, this is it.
	Right, we should concentrate.
	This is what we're here for, mate.
	Well, right.
	Gosh.
	We're going in. - Taylor Swift's gonna come on while she's gonna bring Swift on.
	Yeah, I'm sure that's what's gonna happen.
	Kamala Harris is gonna, in the middle of her speech, invite Taylor Swift out into the podium.
	Yeah, never did I think I would see the day where two middle-aged men would be angrily shouting, where the fuck is Taylor Swift?
	But here we are.
	Here we are.
	Taylor at least has the riz.
	Oh, I hear it all the time.
	Plenty of dudes are excited about Taylor Swift.
	Yeah, the pushback on toxic masculinity and people embracing pop music.
	I mean, I wish I could do it.
	I'm just like, you know, I'm so happy for them.
	I think it's great.
	Yeah.
	And dude's come out as not toxic.
	She's like the gateway for letting go of toxic masculinity for a lot of middle-aged men.
	That's true.
	And I'm kind of here for it.
	That's true.
	I didn't cut the clip, but there was elsewhere in the stream, though, where Russell was like, oh, Taylor Swift might be coming.
	Oh, I felt myself get excited.
	What's wrong with me?
	I'm a grown man.
	You know, and that's definitely him wrestling.
	So not them.
	Wrestling.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Wrestling with that very thing in that moment.
	They're on the path.
	Indeed.
	Indeed.
	Well, he knows a thing or two.
	All right.
	All right.
	Let's get to the first little chunk of the speech here.
	Okay, let's get to business.
	Let's get to business.
	All right.
	Okay, yes.
	Policy then.
	Let's start by thanking my most incredible husband, Doug.
	For being an incredible partner to me, an incredible father to Cole and Ella.
	And happy anniversary, Dougie.
	I love you so very much.
	To our president, Joe Biden.
	When I think about the path that we have travelled together, Joe, I am filled with gratitude.
	Your record is extraordinary, as history will show, and your country... I didn't know about that.
	That is true.
	It's on weight.
	Doug and I love you and Jill and are forever thankful to you both.
	This isn't business.
	Thanking your husband and then pretending that Joe Biden wasn't cruelly ousted.
	It's like an acceptance speech.
	Yes, what is being indicated?
	What's the tombra?
	Jesus wept.
	We'll get to the it's like an acceptance speech thing in just a moment But Russell has gotten less than a minute into this speech and is complaining about the apparent lack of policy It's dumb and obviously let's give her a second to get to the policy shall we Um, though, this is not at its core a policy speech anyway.
	Um, she does get to some policy stuff, um, later on, and in the midst of that, about halfway in of the speech, Russell still tweeted out, uh, quote, Kamala, let's get down to business.
	Me, policies?
	Kamala, happy anniversary to my husband, unquote.
	Um, as though it's some great snarky takedown, and it's just like, holy shit, dude, this only works if you don't watch past the first five minutes of the fucking speech.
	Um, and yet, loving it on Twitter apparently.
	The replies are all just, oh, just eating it up.
	Um, but it's just so, it's so plainly divorced from reality.
	Like, for fuck's sake.
	These guys suck total ass at being stochastic terrorists.
	They just can't do it.
	Yeah!
	Yeah!
	It's true!
	At all!
	It's true!
	God, it's infuriating.
	Alright, let's get to Neil Oliver's complaints about the speech.
	My early memories of our parents together are very joyful ones.
	A home filled with laughter and music, This is unexpected, I would say.
	It's not how I expected it to begin.
	Not in Chicago, dummy!
	This was sentimentality.
	But it feels like an accepting speech at the Oscars.
	Because it basically is, other dummy.
	Or it's like a wedding speech.
	Thanks for coming such a long way, you know, to see me here today.
	Is that normal?
	I can't imagine that this is what like Jimmy Carter would have been doing or even Clinton but it's a pretty unique situation in so much as she's the sit-in VP.
	Biden's been extracted under really extraordinary circumstances so in a sense I suppose the elevation of sentiment is kind of required to obfuscate how odd the entire ceremony is.
	that somewhere an elderly, - A beautiful, working class neighborhood - Walking death rattles be kneecapped and cast aside. - So it appears Neil Oliver doesn't realize what the event he's watching actually is.
	And apparently to a large degree, neither does Russell.
	They're claiming, oh, all of these thanks and biographical stories are unusual and to distract from the unprecedented nature of the situation while Joe Biden is kneecapped somewhere.
	And, oh, It's like an acceptance speech.
	That's because it is an acceptance speech, you pair of fucking idiots.
	It's the entire point of the event, to elect and nominate a Democratic candidate for president who then accepts that nomination in a speech.
	That's the whole deal!
	And somehow, neither of these two are aware of this incredibly basic piece of information, despite Russell having been at the RNC when Trump spent a good chunk of time thanking people and accepting the nomination.
	Oh, good lord!
	Um, yeah, just evident, complete ignorance, though.
	Is this normal?
	Yes, Neil.
	Yes, this is normal.
	It happens every single time.
	It's the point.
	Now, I will say, there is a unique thing about the situation, because yeah, Kamala Harris has, by American standards, a very, very short window to campaign.
	So she doesn't have long to sell herself to the public, right?
	So perhaps there is a necessity to explain more than usual, this is who I am and where I'm from, you know?
	Like, please vote for me.
	But also it's not terribly unusual when accepting the nomination to talk about who you are and your background as a candidate and human being.
	Like Bill Clinton in 1992 spoke about his father getting killed in a car wreck and living with his grandparents in Louisiana, right?
	Jimmy Carter in 1976 was the other one he referenced and he spoke of sitting outdoors as a farm boy with his family listening to the radio.
	Thank you.
	I thought he said Jimmy Carr and I had no idea what he was- I was like, Jimmy Carr or Bill Clinton?
	What are you talking about?
	Now that would be an interesting comparison.
	I was confused!
	And I was also like, you're right, Jimmy Carr would be very entertaining.
	Jimmy Carr would be funny, I guess.
	He'd be a hoot.
	Has his own problems, but he would at least be entertaining.
	Oh dear, oh dear.
	Now Neil has what can weightily be described as an ironic critique of Kamala Harris.
	My mother?
	Scorpio to 650.
	How is this business?
	Let's get down to business.
	How's this business?
	Let's get down to business.
	My mother hasn't cured breast cancer.
	We've moved about a lot.
	I love my husband.
	Joe Biden didn't get nixed at the last minute in a terrible coup.
	None of them family by blood, and all of them family by love.
	Family who taught us how to make gumbo, how to play chess, and sometimes even let us win.
	This no policy just vibe, Lark, is playing out before our eyes, isn't it?
	I'm just going to give you a family folksy vibe.
	Vote for me because I'm me.
	Don't worry about what I'm going to do.
	Just, you know, just enjoy the moment.
	Two of the vibiest people on the planet complaining that Kamala Harris is all vibes and no policy.
	Again, let the lady get to it.
	But also, Trump is the biggest viber in history.
	Like, he said two concrete things at his speech at the RNC in his hour and a half long speech, right?
	Oh, the length of his speeches.
	Because we hear little clips, right?
	Yeah.
	I need to be reminded, and I want to emphasize it now because not everybody hears this all the time, his speeches are so long.
	Yeah.
	It's incredible.
	We're going to sit with that reality that blows my mind.
	An hour and a half.
	I cannot imagine listening to that man speak for an hour and a half.
	I looked up the transcript, thankfully, so I'm like, I'm at least reading it.
	Right.
	But, you know, the standard kind of acceptance speech for the DNC appears to be around an hour.
	Kamala's speech came in at around 35 minutes, so comparatively very brief.
	Good for her.
	Yeah, right.
	But the two concrete things in Trump's hour and a half at the RNC that he actually came out with was that he was going to cut taxes and deport migrants.
	And even then, he didn't mention any specifics.
	The man is famously devoid of policy speeches.
	He just vaguely gestures at things he doesn't like and says, we're going to fix it and that's it.
	You know?
	And so, like, the balls of Neil Oliver to fucking love Trump and then come at Kamala Harris for being vibey.
	I'm like, Jesus Christ.
	Fix your own house first, buddy.
	Well yeah that I mean but like I'm so I feel so thankful and grateful that I had a reason to like engage and really like and entrench myself in understanding the UK election this year because there is like a massive divide as the so so bored I'm in pain American in this
	The space, like watching all this at, like the, like compared to the way that like the UK does politics and elections policy, right?
	Like, yeah, the speeches are completely different.
	The presentation is completely different.
	And y'all don't have unijacks just waving in everyone's face all the time.
	It was wild to see for me, it was so different.
	So I think to a degree, like, And I don't think that that would be as obvious to, like, any American that's, like, not really, like, I would have no reason to know that otherwise.
	Like, I mean, I might have an inkling, but I wouldn't have nearly the understanding that I do in the difference.
	And so I think from where Neil Oliver's, and this is just for Neil, where he's coming from, he doesn't have a reason to really engage with American politics.
	Russell's ads are targeted at Americans.
	He should know better and he should- Inform your friend!
	Yeah, his audience.
	You're in charge here.
	Russell's audience is overwhelmingly American.
	But the thing is, Neil Oliver does, like, he will go on, you know, alt-right people's shows and stuff.
	He will occasionally cover American politics on his YouTube channel.
	He occasionally has to deal with it on GB News.
	So it's not like he's completely oblivious.
	He should know more than he does.
	But yeah, no, you're absolutely right.
	Russell should be, at the very least, picking up the pieces.
	Like, no, no, no, here's how this goes.
	But Russell doesn't know anything either.
	So it's just...
	Yeah.
	Well, but genuinely also, like, watching some of these clips, like, in stark contrast to the clips that we watched.
	I mean, there's more offensive, too, where we covered, you know, more election, like, UK election stuff.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, we had a good couple of those.
	It's very fucking different.
	So if you're talking about, but also like if I, How many times, till I was blue in the face, did I say, in my American experience, as an American, this looks foreign to me.
	That's what is responsible context that I need to add in any kind of conversation I'm going to have.
	So like, if you want to engage in good faith, okay!
	Even if you want to engage in bad faith and make it look good, do that!
	It's just different here.
	And I don't know that it's great either way.
	Yes, there is that.
	You know what I mean?
	This is just so, like, there could be something to be gleaned here.
	I don't know.
	I just feel like I'm watching, yeah, any of our weird idiots over here could do a massively better job.
	And they did.
	They did.
	Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
	I think the key thing is that Neil Oliver is kind of painting it as like, well, there should definitely be this policy, where it's like, well, you don't know enough to make that commentary, so maybe just say, hey, this is weird for me.
	Maybe come in with that instead, because that's fine.
	If you don't know and don't understand, that's fine.
	But say that instead of, well, why isn't this happening?
	You know?
	Oh dear.
	Well and you made a great point that the UK thing versus like that's the thing is like the expectation of this speech is very different in the UK versus America.
	Y'all have six weeks to campaign and I was hearing news anchors say that people were bored after a month.
	I mean it's very fucking different.
	There's a lot of fat we could cut.
	When someone is elected party leader over here, which would be the nearest comparison that we have, those aren't policy speeches either!
	There are vague gestures to it, but they can't talk about anything specific yet because they're not in a position to be able to do that!
	You know, so like even over here, there's a lot of thank yous and that kind of thing.
	You know, it's, I don't know, the whole thing's fucking stupid.
	But maybe it speaks more as to how little attention Neil Oliver actually pays to things.
	Maybe that's what we're confronted with.
	I think that might be the point.
	And Russell even less so, genuinely, I think.
	Because like, Neil's trying, man.
	I think so.
	I think you're right.
	And next up, there's a crucial part of the Harris campaign that Russell does not, in fact, understand.
	And we know what a second Trump term would look like.
	It's all laid out in Project 2025, written by his closest... Another reference is, he was president for four years.
	...is to pull our country back to the past.
	It was relatively... Like, peaceful.
	He didn't even do that.
	- He did the interview.
	- What?
	- Right from the school.
	- We are not going back.
	We are not going back. - Someone tried to shoot him.
	Peaceful?
	To when Donald Trump tried to cut Social Security and Medicare.
	We are not going back to when he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act.
	When insurance companies could deny people with pre-existing conditions.
	We are not going to let him eliminate the Department of Education that funds our public schools.
	We are not going to let him end programs like Head Start that provide preschool and childcare for our children!
	America, we are not going back.
	And we are-- This is an interesting challenge.
	We're not going back.
	It's not all sentiment.
	I don't know how on earth Russell hasn't heard this phrase before now, but it certainly seems like he's encountering it for the first time, describing we're not going back as an odd sentiment.
	I know, he hates the news.
	It seems like it, and if Gareth's not feeding it to him, then he's just not going to get it.
	Right.
	The reason we're not going back is such a successful slogan is because it runs directly counter to Make America Great Again, which harks back to some fictional picture of the 50s when everything was great and black people couldn't vote and women were much more marginalized than they are now and it was illegal to be gay.
	Good times.
	Saying we're not going back is not only fuck Trump and fuck MAGA, but it's a mission statement to move forward with at least some sense of progressive policy rather than regressive policy.
	It's not a particularly odd sentiment if you examine it for more than half a second.
	But yeah, this is clearly the first time he's having to be confronted with it.
	Um and uh and yeah the uh the next Trump presidency would be exactly the same as the last one apparently.
	Um and and would in in no way be worse.
	Um never heard that before.
	Terrific.
	Terrific.
	Oh dear.
	Okay.
	So yeah.
	Just okay.
	He hates the news.
	He doesn't care.
	Yeah.
	He's just saying shit.
	Yeah.
	So next, I'm going to play a chunk of Kamala's speech that Russell and Neil are forced to sit through silently.
	So as we've seen, when it comes to stuff they can't argue with, they would rather talk over it or put it on mute.
	But because it's Harris' speech, they can't really do that, so they have to sit there and listen.
	And for viewers, do watch Russell- Didn't they just do that?
	A little bit.
	This goes further.
	Watch Russell and Neil's faces throughout as they squirm in their seats because it's a very specific kind of schadenfreude.
	Friends, I believe America cannot truly be prosperous unless Americans are fully able to make their own decisions about their own lives, especially on matters of heart and home.
	But tonight, in America, too many women are not able to make those decisions.
	And let's be clear about how we got here.
	Donald Trump hand-picked members of the United States Supreme Court to take away reproductive freedom.
	And now he brags about it.
	In his words, quote, I did it and I'm proud to have done it, end quote.
	Well, I'll tell you, over the past two years, I've traveled across our country and women have told me their stories.
	Husbands and fathers have shared theirs.
	Stories of women miscarrying in a parking lot.
	Developing sepsis, losing the ability to ever again have children, all because doctors are afraid they may go to jail for caring for their patients.
	Couples just trying to grow their family, cut off in the middle of IVF treatments.
	Children who have survived sexual assault, potentially being forced to carry a pregnancy to term.
	This is what's happening in our country because of Donald Trump.
	And understand, he is not done.
	As a part of his agenda, he and his allies would limit access to birth control, ban medication abortion, and enact a nationwide abortion ban with or without Congress.
	And get this.
	Get this, he plans to create a national anti-abortion coordinator and force states to report on women's miscarriages and abortions.
	Simply put, they are out of their minds.
	They've been sitting there the whole time.
	Looking angry.
	Everybody.
	One must ask, why exactly is it that they don't trust women?
	Well, we trust women.
	One must ask, why exactly is it that they don't trust women?
	Well, we trust women.
	We trust women.
	And when Congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom as president of the United States, I will proudly sign it into law.
	Thank you.
	In this election, many other...
	laughs Well, I guess we found the policy.
	Good lord.
	I thought they froze.
	They just sat there and listened to it.
	Genuinely, I feel like...
	I think that Neil Oliver was like, oh, that sounds bad.
	That's what I got.
	Yes, 100%.
	There's nothing happening, really.
	They were just sitting on the couch.
	It's just them being forced to deal with the reality that they've been supporting this entire time and going, oh no, that sounds terrible.
	I have plenty of hate in my heart for these kind of people.
	I got no schadenfreude out of that.
	I hope that there is a scar upon that person, Neil.
	On your fucking feelings, if you have any left.
	I could watch that clip all the live long day, because I'm like, yes, suffer, you bastard!
	Yes, I could.
	I absolutely could.
	I'm like, yes, fucking deal with it.
	It has to be the water.
	Good.
	Yeah, no, Neil, like, I think that, yeah, I think that if, like, genuinely, I also feel, like, truly, and I think I've had this experience a lot in this podcast.
	We've come a long way from the start where, like, understanding the Material conditions in America.
	I think that the UK has no fucking clue about what a lot of these, what's actually happening.
	And it's nightmarish to think about.
	These guys, I don't think they'd be willing to put their name on and show up and endorse a lot of the shit that they are.
	They have to avoid a lot of this reality to be able to show up and do their jobs.
	Absolutely.
	Abso-fucking-lutely.
	It's that filtering down, again, through all these different things, you know, and filtering through Gareth Roy, and in Neil Oliver's case, just not engaging with the news at all.
	You know, where they never have to deal with the reality of what's happening on the ground in America, and so, like, they can support whatever the fuck they want over here and never have to actually see any of the consequences or reckon with it at all.
	Yeah, which is...
	Which Neil has way less experience with than Russell.
	Because that's part of Russell's whole deal in content.
	Russell is used to dissociating and going somewhere else and thinking, like, well, wellness told me that anything that bad happens to you is your own fault.
	So, obviously those women did something, like, yeah, right?
	Like, oh, well, but the women that I would care about and want to have this not happen, I mean, wellness or God or whatever my conception is, like, well, then...
	Pray harder, I don't know.
	But Neil, I think, is not nearly as well-versed in, like, completely disconnecting.
	Yeah, and disengaging with all of that.
	Yeah, so he's like... He sunk.
	Yeah.
	Appropriately.
	No, he did not look like he was in a good place.
	Like, well, I think that's the policy.
	Like, yes, yes, Neil.
	Also, like, yeah, that's what you're getting.
	Yep!
	Yep!
	Welcome!
	Dear oh dear.
	So next, Neal presents what was actually Trump's main argument against Kamala Harris' speech.
	Fundamental freedoms are at stake.
	The freedom to live safe from gun violence in our schools, communities, and places of worship.
	The freedom to love who you love openly and with pride.
	The freedom to breathe clean air and drink clean water and live free from the pollution that fuels the climate crisis.
	What would have stopped them doing that now?
	If there's a way around it, why hasn't she done it?
	If she can just get in and do it, why hasn't she done it?
	I'm only the Vice President.
	She has no power.
	That's why.
	Yeah, these are all available options.
	They have been for the last four years.
	- And the freedom to vote. - All of it's within the gift today.
	- Yeah, this is all the, these are all available options.
	- I don't understand why, why, it does seem odd to talk about policy as though it's out of her reach at the most, she's already there.
	- Of safety and security, especially at our board. - She's got all the levers of power that she would have in January next year.
	What?
	Absolutely not!
	That is the logical problem that we confront, but I suppose it's an emotional and vibes-based event, and on that basis, this is the type of rhetoric we'd anticipate.
	Uh-huh.
	Um, yeah, if you're trying to tell me that the Vice President has all the same powers as the President, you are either ignorant, a liar, or both.
	And, like, fucking, just baffling.
	And not only that, but, like, what could have prevented all of these things from being done already are the Senate, or Congress, depending.
	Like, this speech Isn't just about electing Kamala Harris.
	It's one of, hey, elect Democrats across the board so we can actually get some of this shit done.
	You know, in terms of levers of power, it's like, hey, yeah, we kind of we we need all of this stuff.
	Otherwise, we're not going to be able to do anything again, which is what's felt like has happened for the last four years.
	It's not been a particularly productive time in American legislative history.
	I would point to the Supreme Court being the number one problem.
	They got rid of fucking Chevron Deference.
	Chevron, the oil company.
	Come on everybody, get your fucking shit together.
	I don't think that any of them are going to do what they need to do.
	But Trump did absolutely gut and decimate the EPA on Nixon joint.
	P.S.
	Trump didn't hurt anyone.
	That's right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Now, I suspect all this is is Neil Oliver showing his ass that he doesn't realize how different the American system is compared to the British system.
	Because like in the UK if you're the party in power there is quite frankly a lot of shit you can get done and fussed.
	It's a double-edged sword but it does mean we can see quite drastic change in this country if we want to.
	Whereas in the US like the level of bureaucracy and stagnation within government and legislative branches is staggering and is a significant contributor as to why the USA is continually falling behind other countries in terms of social and domestic policies to name just a couple of examples.
	Massively exacerbated by the Citizens United decision.
	Also, the Supreme Court.
	Yup!
	That's... they're so... man oh man.
	Yup.
	That's... Yup.
	Yup.
	Rage.
	Rage.
	And Neil's not quite done on this line of thinking either.
	As President, I will bring back the bipartisan border security bill that he killed and I will sign it into law.
	I know we can live up to our proud heritage as a nation of immigrants and reform our broken immigration system.
	We can create an earned pathway to citizenship and secure our border.
	But that's obstructed at the moment because the Democrats tried to fold in funding for Ukraine into the same bill.
	into the same world.
	If they were serious about let's deal with one thing at a time, all they had to do was take the Ukraine funding thing out of it.
	That's what the Republicans were halting on.
	Again, we can do that.
	She could do that now, she could do that tomorrow.
	I don't understand why people don't just pick that up all the time.
	She might as well be the President of the United States.
	Honey.
	Go to bed.
	Yeah, right!
	Read a book.
	Do something.
	Good lord.
	Good lord.
	I mean, you know, did Mike Pence have the same amount of power as Trump?
	I'm not sure.
	I think if that were the case, he might have been able to avoid calls to hang him otherwise.
	That's why the hang Mike Pence shit was so fucking absurd.
	Yeah.
	Because you're going to pick that guy to complain about?
	Yeah, right?
	He's toothless.
	He can't do anything.
	Incredible.
	Incredible.
	And yeah, the argument that Neil is making here is like, oh, well, if you take the Ukraine funding out of the migration bill, then it would pass.
	And I'm not sure about that.
	Also, oh, honey, I just want to pat him on the head.
	Parties fucking love dumping money into military budgets.
	Sorry baby.
	That's the duopoly that we need to be talking about.
	That's actually the important thing.
	Say that.
	Let's not get to that.
	Let's pretend Kamala Harris is already the president and could just do this if she wanted.
	Yeah, but the gist of Neil's rhetoric here is like, well, if you just let Russia just have Ukraine, then you could pass these migration restrictions and reforms.
	And yeah, no, on so many different levels, just no to any of that.
	It's not true.
	It's not true.
	And also, you know, perhaps there's a reason that the world at large doesn't want to just let Putin take over a sovereign country.
	But yeah, Neil is very much still on the pro-Putin kind of train.
	Good stuff.
	Good stuff.
	All right, so now we get to the fence-straddling portion of the speech on the issue of Gaza.
	I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself.
	And I will always ensure that we will be willing to defend ourselves.
	Because the people of Israel must never again face the horror that a terrorist organisation called Hamas caused on October 7th.
	Including unspeakable sexual violence and the massacre of young people at a music festival.
	That's propaganda.
	At the same time, what has happened in Gaza over the past 10 months is devastating.
	So many innocent lives lost.
	Desperate, hungry people fleeing for safety over and over again.
	The scale of suffering is heartbreaking.
	President Biden and I are working to end this war such that Israel is secure, the hostages are released, the suffering in Gaza ends, and the Palestinian people can realize their right to dignity, security, freedom, and self-determination.
	So that's the kind of key brinkmanship required to simultaneously support those two opposing ideas.
	Yeah, pretty much, actually.
	Yeah, because I fail to see how she's gonna do both of those things.
	You know?
	Like, Harris has so far talked the talk better than Biden on the issue of Gaza, but marginally, and also I don't think anyone's actually holding out hope for meaningful change in that regard, so far as I'm aware, anyway.
	Happy to be proven wrong, but...
	But yeah, was not thrilled!
	Was not thrilled about this portion of the speech!
	Um, yeah.
	I mean, I feel like I've already said this, I've talked about this till I'm blue in the face for, again, almost a year now.
	Yeah, it's getting up there.
	For two and a half hours, y'all already know how I feel.
	Yeah, I'm yeah I Take it you're also not hopeful for change.
	Oh, I mean, I've never I mean, it's not about appealing to anyone's like Moral anything or like the the feelings they have inside It is a bad idea for America to like the most cynical view It's a stupid thing that America is doing to continue supporting who is increasingly becoming a rogue state, which is Israel The only way they have out is potentially like scapegoating
	Benjamin Netanyahu and making a big stink in a big show, which at best that's going to happen and not a lot is actually going to change for Palestinians on the ground.
	That fucking sucks.
	It's disgusting.
	It's disgusting to live here.
	It's disgusting to know what is being done in my name all over the fucking world, not just in Israel, Palestine.
	I just, this is like, this is an incredibly like, The issue that I think that I've been getting in my media diet is that the fact that she's kind of like paying lip service and she's like addressing it a little bit.
	This half measure does take the wind out of the sails of a lot of protest and it was sort of a response to the fact that far fewer people turned out than... And there's also a lot of wiggity stuff with organizers and what the city was allowing people to do to protest and to demonstrate, right?
	So that was weird.
	And I think effective on the city's side.
	Well, so far as I was aware, there was a protest outside the DNC on this night, I think, was there?
	Yeah, I mean, there were protests, like, there were demonstrations and protests all week, but because it wasn't the numbers that I think were expected, the Democratic Party took note of that and then sort of made their... I feel like the decisions were already made as far as what they were going to say and what they weren't, who they were going to allow to talk and who they weren't, and they were just lying whenever they were saying that people could do it.
	Or maybe someone down the food chain was hopeful and it didn't work.
	But like there was fully like a 90s style free speech zone that went poorly.
	Like there was a lot of organizing, there was a lot of roadblocks being thrown to impede the organizers and a fuck ton, terrifying amount of cops.
	Sounds like Chicago.
	With guns!
	Snipers on roofs, all that shit.
	Yeah, so... Right.
	Yeah.
	And of course the other key point here that these two fail to bring up at any point is that Trump, the anti-war president, is also on the path of continuing business as usual with Israel should he regain power.
	So that's fucking great.
	Cool.
	Either way, that's the decision.
	Cool.
	Good times.
	So, the speech comes to a close and here are Russell and Neil's main critiques.
	Some of the things I guess we've got to follow up on is what does this mean about Ukraine, NATO?
	What does this mean of the likelihood of escalating tensions with Russia?
	What does it mean, like many of the allusions to tax cuts?
	And what about the realities of the shifting polarities in the world?
	What about the emergence of the BRICS?
	What about the North-South trade corridor?
	What about the demise of the petrol dollar?
	You need to stir some reality into that otherwise vanilla custard of Nothing!
	The yielding of national sovereign power to global organisations, whether that's the WHO or the WF, so much has been obfuscated, but coming as it did, in the midst of a festival of obfuscation, it kind of fitted in.
	But if empty, vacuous bollocks is your bag, then that was a cracker.
	Oh great.
	Like, so essentially, let's ignore the things Kamala Harris did talk about and instead mention all of the things she didn't talk about.
	We might as well ask, Well, where was the part of the speech talking about the reintroduction of Jaguars in the US?
	She didn't discuss that either.
	Like, no, no, and she's not going to talk about fucking, you know, policy in North Africa either.
	Like, this isn't a policy speech, and it's especially not a foreign policy speech, which they seem to be driving towards there.
	Like, what about bricks?
	Like, what fucking relevance does that have?
	To America right now.
	I think she had plenty to say that was very relevant to foreign policy and that she said that she was promising the most lethal fighting force in the world.
	A lot of us are really fucking angry about that.
	And the fact that that didn't even register with these two jokers just speaks to how fucking much they aren't paying attention and don't actually give a shit or understand anything.
	That is the most, that is the easiest, especially for coming from the UK.
	You can be such a smug fuck about the bloodthirsty assholes.
	Granted, it's gonna piss off the chat, so I know why they didn't do it.
	I know why Russell didn't do it.
	And Trump is spinning the same kind of rhetoric, so it's like, you know, avoid.
	But he's also saying he's anti-war.
	So yeah, know your spin.
	I know it.
	I'm not getting paid shit for doing this.
	I'm not on TV and I know why they won't let me on TV.
	They're entirely reasonable.
	That is the correct decision.
	But come on, just like give an eighth of a shit about your own job.
	You could make so Especially because, like, Neil Oliver's like a... I literally associate him with, like, nice milquetoast documentaries, to use his own term, and, like, green rolling verdant hills.
	Like, that's your brand.
	If your brand is not warmonger, which, like, Russell is in a sticky situation, but, like, Neil, you can say, like, wow, look at those psycho freaks, like, Yeah, yeah, he could.
	There's so many moments that we are very upset about here that they could have like done anything, but they're tired.
	And I'm like, you know what?
	They're tired and I think, you know, this is a portion of like audience capture for Neil.
	I think, you know, he wants these people.
	He's trying to court them.
	I don't think this is how you're going to do it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think after looking at the chat for too long, he might reconsider.
	But yeah, good lord.
	And also just the very principle of like, at the start of this being like, oh, well, where's the policy?
	Where's the policy?
	And then the policy comes up and they're like, well, what about this other policy?
	They're just being contrarians, right?
	100%.
	And doing a terrible job!
	Yeah, that's very, very bad.
	Okay, and next Russell highlights one of his further problems with the speech.
	That's true.
	Another of the, I thought, problems was the immediate following of calls for unity and a pledge to govern for everyone with further incendiary rhetoric and amplification of the events of January 6th and Donald Trump's participation and involvement in them.
	You've got to come to it with a lot of assumed knowledge.
	I saw it in one moment, she said, like, he sent an armed mob.
	So the Capitol, there was a lot of talk there in the chat from you guys about, like, armed?
	Like, what do you mean by that?
	And mob and... You know, with all the guns!
	In a way, I suppose, we've all been defunct so successfully, if this is the type of media that you consume.
	I don't suppose that anyone's going to watch that that's inclined towards a centrist, authoritarian, sugar-coated form of government that's going to sort of startle them.
	This is what you would anticipate, this is what you would expect.
	What we were talking about earlier today, we were suggesting and talking about the opportunity to be statesman-like and it involves going further than, as you say, just continuing at every opportunity after promising unity to just shake the jar of ants again.
	Are we just, am I just hopelessly naive in thinking that there's a further step to be taken that actually begins to do the job that they talk about, which is creating unity, by acknowledging that half of the country is terribly Yes.
	upset and hurt by the way it has been portrayed and the way someone that they absolutely idolize in the form of Donald Trump is vilified and threatened with jail tests.
	It doesn't seem to me to be a great leap of thinking.
	I would step across that and say, we're done with that.
	It doesn't help.
	We've had years of it now, of division.
	People could throw it back in your face, but then that's not your fault.
	You could offer it.
	You could say, we have to get beyond this and we have to treat each other with respect and not...
	Yes.
	At the first opportunity you're right back in basket of deplorables territory.
	Yes.
	In the people that were at the Capitol building.
	Good Lord!
	4am chat here.
	Yeah, Russell's audience have been pre-bunked so they think Jan 6 was just a bunch of tourists wandering around the Capitol building.
	Um, not what it was in reality, which was, you know, an armed crowd attempting a coup.
	Um, so that's why the chat was like, armed?
	Yes, armed.
	Ooh, mob?
	Yes, mob.
	Yes, yes.
	Um, and as to the points about, oh, crying unity and then deriding half the country, well, first of all, it's not half the country.
	Half the US are not Jan Sixers.
	But these two chuckleheads have a very skewed idea of what America looks like based upon their respective audiences and media filtering.
	And also, I would love for them to level that very same critique at Donald Trump.
	Because guess who else was preaching unity at his acceptance speech?
	And then Trump spent the rest of his time shitting on anyone who's ever disagreed with him, which is pretty standard practice for his speeches, whilst sowing immense amounts of division.
	So it's like, okay, fine, but maybe, maybe point that at the other direction too?
	No?
	Not gonna do that?
	Huh, weird.
	I love the deplorables talk when he's a fake like the deplorables kind of point which like okay poor choice whatever I mean it's even been like made it it's such a fucking nothing thing she's not necessarily aware of what yeah yeah you know what she needs to be more fucking aware of the impact of what she says and does too and maybe feels yeah fucking repercussions from it but seriously like Trump is famous
	Shortlist of things he's famous for is making hateful, vitriolic nicknames that stick.
	He's famous for bullying.
	Yeah.
	Suck it, you assholes.
	Yeah.
	That's like his deal, and that's what people like about him.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Russell said, I can't remember whether I left this clip in or not, but Russell said earlier on in the stream, like, oh, I like the nicknames.
	I think the nicknames are great.
	Obama didn't like the nicknames.
	I like the nicknames.
	Like, yeah, it's because you're an asshole.
	Cool.
	Good for you.
	All right.
	We have the final clip as the guys finally go to bed here.
	You better believe I'm tired, baby!
	I'm going to get eaten by this couch that I'm on with a Scotsman.
	Thank you guys so much for joining us.
	I feel that this sets us up for a fantastic lead to November, I would say.
	Get ready for RFK to join Donald J Trump at his rally in Arizona.
	Interesting prospect.
	That is an interesting prospect, isn't it?
	Sure fucking is!
	Yeah, RFK Jr.
	threw his weight behind Trump immediately after the DNC, to the surprise of pretty much no one, and a good chunk of RFK Jr.
	supporters are not particularly happy that their independent candidate is no longer independent.
	And Russell, by the way, is presenting this coalition as Kamala's fucked now!
	Which, um, sure thing, buddy.
	Sure thing.
	Oh honey!
	I know!
	Oh honey!
	Yeah, I belly laughed when I saw that.
	Have you seen the Don't Have Shot clip?
	No.
	Oh yes, the back of his head, the weird hair thing situation, right?
	Oh, that was nothing.
	No, no, no.
	That was okay.
	That's what Mike posted?
	That's that one thing that Mike posted.
	That was like a clip of a clip of a clip.
	That was like a silly inside joke in my house.
	That's funny.
	I saw pictures of J.D.
	Vance's haircut doing the rounds elsewhere as well.
	So that's funny.
	Oh, okay.
	But not the video of him No, I didn't.
	- No, no, no, no, no, no, no, film me. - The donut shop saying okay and being extremely awful.
	Like it just, it was this basic press clip moment that was like, just watch it.
	I'm not gonna describe it.
	Everyone's been talking about it.
	I feel like, and like we're already like, we're so deep in it that like it's a whole other thing.
	People have done whole episodes on just that video.
	And I think, I will say, I mean, we've really, we've been really like getting into it here at the house.
	Um, that, He just can't talk to people, but I'd like to...
	Mike has a theory, and I agree with it, because either listeners, either you have seen it already and you know what I'm talking about, or Al and those that haven't seen it, oh, go watch it.
	You want to talk about Sean Freud.
	But the popular narrative is that he goes in this donut shop and he can't talk to people because he's just asking people.
	He doesn't know interesting questions to ask to human beings in the world.
	Regular people.
	He can't talk to them.
	So he's like, oh, where are you from?
	OK.
	And he's just saying, like, He's just asking a question and just saying, okay, over and over and over.
	So maybe, I don't know if you've seen like the okay has also been a meme for a week.
	Um, but yeah, that like that whole moment.
	People are like just saying it's because he's awkward and I think and I agree Mike and I both kind of like noticed that what was going on I feel and I agree with Mike that like there was a gal whenever he walked in that was like not just he was like he said like oh hey I'm J.D.
	Vance I'm running for vice president or whatever he said and she was like okay.
	And she was like, I don't want to be filmed on camera.
	I don't want to be on camera.
	I don't want to be on camera.
	She said it once.
	She said it normally.
	I said it weird.
	I'm misrepresenting.
	It was much more normal and OK than that.
	And also, fucking ask someone before you walk into a goddamn business.
	With a camera.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	Right?
	Do any amount of prep.
	Again.
	And so, like, he was thrown into this, like, you wouldn't be thrown into it if you were a normal person.
	But it's, he was thrown into a situation he was not prepared for.
	And so, he was like, I'm doing it because I'm running for president.
	And she said, okay.
	Which, I stan.
	I stan a bitchy queen all day.
	That's, that's like what you can say without, because what would be more fun is if she said, I know.
	That's what I would say, and that's why I'm not super employable.
	Okay is what you can say and keep your job.
	Do a white guy, especially as a black woman, right?
	Because that's the fucking dynamic.
	And so after that, Because he knew we had to ask questions and he was scrambling and he just said okay and I think and Mike brought it up like I was thinking it but like I didn't really give voice to it because I'm used to men being angry for no reason in public but Mike's like Mike brought it up I was like yeah man this is exactly what happened he was Furious.
	He was like level 10 red, like Kill Bill screaming siren, like angry that he didn't get this warm welcome.
	And he and these men can't regulate their feelings.
	They have no reason to.
	They're rewarded for being petulant children.
	So he was having a temper tantrum.
	Inside of himself and keeping it together.
	And all he could do was ask questions like, where are you from?
	Okay.
	How long have you worked here?
	Okay.
	He just keeps saying, okay.
	And I think it's because he wants to, he wants to throw a fit, but he can't.
	But he cannot.
	And that's how men behave when they have to, when they want to throw a fit and they can't.
	Cause they don't have any like emotional regulation tools.
	Interesting.
	Very interesting.
	Toxic Masturbation is bad for everybody.
	Bad for everybody.
	Indeed it is.
	Indeed it is.
	Well, I'll go and hunt that video down after this because that sounds interesting.
	Meanwhile, Tim Walz is killing it.
	There was a sandwich shot where he had this little press moment.
	Oh, he is hosting a clinic on affability.
	And friendliness.
	Do you know, do you know, like one of his, um, there was a reel of him, of him in an interview, um, that came across my feed, which is unusual.
	I don't, I don't get a lot of kind of American-centric content actually in general.
	Um, and I was like, ha, that's weird.
	And it occurred to me, I'd never actually listened to him talk before.
	I was like, yeah, okay, sure.
	Let's, let's, let's take a little look.
	And it was him just having like a few minute conversation about gutter maintenance.
	And I was like, Oh, I get it now.
	Yeah, I get it.
	I can see why everyone's like, this is America's dad.
	I'm like, oh yeah, no, I definitely can see.
	Yeah, that's the Subway Takes interview.
	It was great.
	And also smart.
	It's such a smart move.
	Like, at least somebody knows what's going on.
	I mean...
	That's the thing about like this the dynamic of watching this wildly boring stream is so interesting to me because it's that it really exposes the lack of like conservatives to be able to think on their feet because they don't have the tools because you have to listen and trust and be nice and you can't do any of those things if you're this these guys and like I mean, pretend.
	People do it all the time.
	Historically, comedy duos have loathed each other behind the scenes, but they still have a whole ass career.
	Fucking fake it.
	Russell actively, over and over, Curtailing Neil from engaging with the chat, which Neil was figuring out by the end.
	And I don't think it's just, I don't think it was just price.
	I mean, the price helps for sure.
	But like, even just like, I want to, I think these people want to talk and I don't have anything and you don't have anything.
	So like, Russell, you steal material all the time.
	Steal it from your fucking chat.
	That's what's crazy.
	He is hoisted on his own very specific batard that like he will also stop someone else from being interesting in his presence that like they're doing work for you.
	Take it.
	You can't even do that because you're so fucking up your own ass.
	That's amazing to me.
	I'm not gonna let you and no I will not let you have a cigar, Neil.
	Okay, there we go.
	Well, he could have had his own.
	That's hospitality.
	That sucks shit fucking hospitality.
	Yep, a hundred percent.
	Yeah, so thoughtfulness also not a big part of his thought processes.
	No, no.
	Thinking of others, not really a Russell kind of situation.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's why you have this chat, dude.
	Any of it.
	I feel like I heard a whole other experience that Neil was having in his brain.
	I mean, he was also tired, so I don't think he was that concerned, but had he been on it and maybe been on TV or something, he'd be fucking pissed.
	Like Rainn Wilson.
	This is a trend I see with Russell, is that he's just not a good scene partner.
	He does not play well with others.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	Oh boy.
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