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Aug. 1, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #68 - Marjorie Taylor Greene

At the RNC Russell interviewed another product of terrible views and inherited wealth, Marjorie Taylor Greene. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - buysomeactualgoldhere

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	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
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	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
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	Just, you know what?
	This isn't a bitch.
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	It's incredible how some people, I mean, they just don't know what else to say and they want to interact.
	I get that.
	But Jesus Christ, just think about what you're saying.
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	Yes.
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	But this, listen, and I've, I've already had skin cancer.
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	Two weekends in a row.
	I am a ghost, not a lobster on this very program for that reason.
	Put on your sunscreen.
	Yes.
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	Get the kids stuff.
	This isn't the kids stuff, but yeah, it's the stuff that they're ripping off Neutrogena.
	Definitely don't.
	Don't spend that.
	It's liquid gold at this point, price-wise.
	Where are your fucking sunscreen?
	And it's this shit worked, dude.
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	Get out there and just bring go Elaine Benistyle.
	Dress for it.
	Parasol.
	You can also go outside.
	But yeah, it was the past two weekends have been really, really cool.
	Everybody should wear sunscreen.
	Yeah, that's that's the that's the rule.
	That's yeah.
	Kurt Vonnegut beat me to the punch, I'm sure.
	Advice wise.
	But like, yeah, it's it's it was very cool to like, you know, go and do all those things.
	So to summarize that whole experience of like 12 hours in the sun and heat, but it was still very cool.
	And yeah, and Dan's an angel.
	Not burning to a cinder.
	Yes.
	yeah yeah yeah definitely a good thing yeah so what's your good thing my good thing is um last night i went to see um a screening well i was supposed to go yeah i went to the cinema to see a screening of um nigh which is which is a play um starring michael sheen And it's about Nye Bevan, the man who created the NHS basically, the man that was responsible, the very Welsh man from South Wales who was responsible for the creation of the NHS and it was a really like, it's a slightly different experience seeing a filmed version of a play in the cinema but you're like, you're at least halfway there towards like kind of going to see it yourself.
	And it was phenomenal.
	It was so fucking good.
	It was emotional.
	It was captivating.
	It was very clever.
	The writing of it was fantastic.
	The acting was out of this world, as you would expect.
	you know, from the likes of Michael Sheen, et cetera.
	It was just fucking fantastic.
	And the messaging throughout it, you know, you had him, you know,
	him in parliament going up against, going up against Churchill all the time
	and stuff like that, you know, 'cause Churchill- - Can you spell it?
	Is there an R?
	Nye.
	Yeah.
	N-Y-E is the name.
	Like Bill.
	Okay.
	Yes, yeah.
	It's short for Anirin Bevan.
	Anirin is his actual name, but yeah, just Nye is what people would call him.
	But yeah, and he was just a powerhouse of Welsh socialism.
	But yeah, the messaging throughout was fantastic.
	You basically had him standing alone, calling out the Tory bastards.
	He was hated nationally for it, for most of his views.
	Didn't give a fuck, carried on, and he was right the whole time.
	And I'm like, yeah.
	I have a lot of time for that and the play itself is fantastic.
	It's stopped.
	I think that was the last kind of national screening that they were doing but because it's a national theatre thing I think it might come on to NT Live because they have their own like little streaming things for all of their plays which is awesome.
	You know you can see the likes of Ian McKellen and Helen Mirren and all these people doing just incredible incredible Shakespeare all this stuff.
	Awesome.
	Fucking fantastic.
	So I'm hoping it'll end up on there as well if it's no longer screening anywhere.
	And I know it's more difficult to get to in the States.
	They do screen these things internationally but it's more of a struggle.
	Public broadcasting can kind of, I mean I don't know how much more organized it is these days.
	It is certainly more accessible.
	So yeah, it's spelled like the science guy.
	N-Y-E.
	N-Y-E, yes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And it's so fucking good.
	Highly recommend.
	And yeah, yeah, just Michael Sheen.
	Always good.
	Always good.
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	Two.
	We are not quite done with Russell at the RNC because he really did speak to as many human nightmares as he possibly could in that few days.
	So on to the next one, I guess.
	As ever, I will let Russell introduce them and then we get immediately into Russell's first question, actually.
	Here we go.
	We're back.
	I'm here.
	Yeah, we live?
	Yep.
	We're with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	Marjorie, I know you don't have very long.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	Thrilled to be here.
	Absolutely.
	I want to go straight to the question I most wanted to ask you.
	It's this one, right?
	When I saw you taking down Anthony Fauci and showing him those pictures of the beagles and everything, I thought, That if this was a woman who the narrative suited, you'd be held up as, oh, look at this, a strong woman attacking the patriarchy, a woman having a confrontation with Antony Fauci.
	But because that's not the appropriate narrative, it seems that you're sort of attacked by the liberal establishment on the basis, and I've been watching it for a while, of a kind of assumption that someone with your accent, and I'm assuming background, shouldn't be allowed into a position of power.
	Is that sometimes how it feels to you?
	Do you feel that you're not afforded the credibility and kudos that women within different political movements would be given?
	Oh, I think you're dead on.
	Uh-huh.
	So yeah, Marjorie Taylor Greene is who we have here today.
	This came kind of tagged on to the end of an interview with Vivek Ramaswamy and it was a little bit of a last-minute booking.
	She was interviewing with Bongino and Russell was basically like, Come over here!
	And Russell seems to think the left especially don't like her and the media don't celebrate her because she's working class and has a southern accent.
	Well he said well your accent and I assume your background because he is indeed making a significant assumption which I will get to in a second.
	I would say the real reason the left don't especially love Marjorie Taylor Greene is, well, I mean, she's a Republican Congresswoman, so off to a bad start, but I would say it mostly has to do with her trafficking in the worst kinds of anti-Semitic, white supremacist, and generally bigoted ideologies and conspiracy theories.
	She's a big proponent of good old Great Replacement Theory and the more general white genocide conspiracy theory.
	She's insinuated government involvement in mass shootings, said that 9-11 was a hoax, and she's big into all of the batshit QAnon nonsense, right?
	The list of terrible things that she has said is honestly too long to get into in full, but it's all pretty readily available at the tip of a Google search for anyone who's interested, because there's a lot.
	I think we're mostly pretty aware at this point.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, just a bit of a horror show.
	As for Marjorie being supposedly working class, well, I mean, to start, she has a net worth of roughly $20 million, and a good chunk of that appears to come from the successful construction company that she and her now ex-husband bought from her dad back in 2002.
	She would have been 28 at that time, and if it sounds like nepotism and inherited wealth, that's because it is.
	She may have an accent, but Marjorie Taylor Greene is very much not working class and never has been.
	So the idea that she's been excluded from anything for being working class is obviously false on its face.
	Yeah, from what I can tell, the left don't like her because she's a terrible human being, and the right don't like her a lot of the time because she's often an asshole to the members of her own party.
	Particularly anyone who doesn't abide by the cult of Trumpism, you know, and that kind of thing.
	Oh, I mean, I feel like the rift happened whenever they were trying to get Mike Johnson in for, they were trying to vote for Mike Johnson.
	Yes, yeah.
	That was kind of when the crack started to show.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She recently tried to impeach him, didn't she?
	Yeah.
	Well, I mean, even whenever they were voting, All the rounds of voting for Mike Johnson was one of those.
	Yeah, that was a saga.
	That was a real saga.
	Anyway, Russell has been insinuating class war as to why Marjorie Taylor Greene is so disliked, but Marjorie has a slightly different perspective.
	So speaking of the patriarchy, let's talk about that for a minute.
	I see the patriarchy as the system in place that only allows certain voices because it's the voices that they want to be heard, the voices that they want to elevate.
	And these voices have basically destroyed all of our lives on a global level.
	These voices have hurt hardworking people.
	These voices have torn apart families.
	These voices have divided us, taught us to hate one another.
	And these voices are the powerful elites.
	These voices are the globalists.
	These voices are the governments that literally are working together
	to control and hurt people all over the world.
	And yeah, so I don't know if I'm allowed to say this.
	I'll just say it like this.
	Say it.
	Yes.
	Fuck the patriarchy.
	Because that's honestly where we are today.
	Right?
	No, fuck them.
	Yeah.
	Fuck them, Marjorie.
	Honestly.
	So edgy.
	That's amazing.
	I just love Russell's... Right?
	Yes.
	Fuck them.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	There's two things I love about that clip.
	One of which being that Russell in many ways is entirely emblematic of the patriarchy itself.
	Um, given that he's a wealthy, misogynistic sexual predator whose crimes were allowed to continue because of the patriarchy
	actively aiding him in doing so.
	Um, he also seems to hate any woman he doesn't on some level want to fuck.
	And spends all of his time propping up the worst kinds of patriarchal figures he can find.
	Fuck the patriarchy indeed.
	The second thing I love is Marjorie Taylor Greene's, some could say, fatal misunderstanding of what the patriarchy is.
	To her, the patriarchy is the powerful elites, the globalists, and governments.
	Basically, she's using it as a catch-all for every group that doesn't agree with her views.
	And while these groups she mentioned are definitely part of the patriarchy, she's kind of excluded the key point of it, which is that women are intentionally and systematically excluded from any positions of power, while men hold all of the dominance and privilege.
	In her description of it, she said it was a system in place that only allows certain voices, and she's not Complaining about feminism here.
	She's not complaining about not being allowed to be a feminist.
	And to back that up, here's a quote from her speech at the Georgia Republican Assembly in 2022 where she was going off on some of her anti-trans nonsense.
	Quote, I'm gonna tell you right now what is a woman.
	We came from Adam's rib.
	God created us with his hands.
	We may be the weaker sex.
	We are the weaker sex.
	But we are our partners.
	Our husband's wife.
	Unquote.
	Mm-hmm.
	So it seems to be less, fuck the patriarchy, and more, accept your patriarchal roles, ladies.
	We are the weakest sex.
	And that's without even getting to her position on reproductive rights for women, et cetera, which of course she opposes.
	Yeah, just... This is...
	Weird.
	Now, and weird has been overused.
	Weird is getting overused in front of this question.
	Yes, at the moment.
	I need that to be clear.
	I understand that.
	I'm not, I'm not, listen, I've been using weird the whole time.
	I'm not co-opting anything, damn it.
	God, that is, I am dissociating right now.
	Like, what?
	Gal, what?
	Yeah.
	You absolute looney toon.
	I mean, this is what they do now, and it's honestly hilarious.
	If it wasn't so consequential, it would be hilarious, mask protesting and MAGA kind of mask protesting, my body, my choice.
	Yes.
	So yeah, if they read a sign at a protest and they're like, I can figure out a way to To back-channel that to fit my ends?
	Of course!
	Yep.
	I mean, that's, yeah, it's certainly gotten more sophisticated in that way.
	I mean, this is Phyllis Lafley shit.
	And this has been happening for a long time.
	It's been happening for a long time.
	We shouldn't be surprised.
	But we still can be startled, I think.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	I wasn't expecting her to come out with that.
	I'm like, okay.
	Yeah.
	Same.
	Interesting.
	I also knew.
	The thing is, is like, well, I know there's quotes that are going to say the absolute opposite.
	I was like, well, I'm positive.
	Like they're, you can pick them from a tree.
	They're ripe and ready to fall.
	Oh God.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure.
	I'm sure.
	She's a big proponent of the patriarchy really.
	She's an absolute, like she's, she's a tool of the patriarchy that is very effective.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	On the side of the patriarchy.
	Cause let's remember kids.
	The patriarchy does enforce gender roles and rules, but knows no gender whenever it's looking for agents.
	Don't be an agent.
	Don't be an agent ever.
	Fuck yeah.
	So next we get to Margaery's perspective on why the elites hate the working class.
	There are many differences between your country and my country, I reckon, but one of the things that I've noticed a lot is, like, liberal politics has clearly started to hate working-class people.
	That's right.
	They've tried to find a variety of ways of masking that, amplifying their connection to particular causes that seem to be supportive of minorities.
	But what I sense is, when they actually are confronted with a working-class person, or a person from a normal background, they don't like them.
	They don't want them to have a voice.
	They don't want them to be open.
	Unless those people are participating in their narratives, they loathe them.
	What is this?
	And when did that happen?
	When in your country did the politics of the, let's call it establishment left, neoliberal left, start to be hateful of ordinary working people?
	You've asked the perfect question.
	Let's get down to a granular level.
	Hardworking people actually accomplish things every single day that people in power are not capable of doing.
	Hardworking people are able to solve problems.
	They serve their customers.
	They keep their businesses going.
	They're able to keep a roof over their family's head and provide for their children.
	But people in power only receive that paycheck.
	They only have that power that they have based on that government position.
	Or the elevated position that they've been able to wiggle their way into, but they don't deserve it.
	And so they marginalize the hardworking people because they're honestly jealous of them, and they can't be them.
	The people I know in my district, my family, my friends, people that have worked in my construction company all my life, because I grew up in it and it's my family business, these are people I respect far more than anyone serving in government.
	Anyone that receives that paycheck because they're an unelected bureaucrat, but yet they hold power and weld it over people and actually hurt hard-working Americans every single day.
	I think the answer to your question is the powerful elites could never be the hard-working people.
	So the elites hate the working class because they're jealous that they they want to be the working class but damn it all this wealth is just getting in the way.
	I mean she had to make up something.
	It's a take.
	It's all gonna be like it's all gonna be bad.
	Like, it's all gonna be crazy.
	Yeah, it's definitely a take.
	Well, like, having more respect for those who work for a living compared to politicians, like, I can get on board with some of that.
	But she specifically singled out unelected bureaucrats.
	So, like, people with appointed positions or those just in the kind of mid-levels of government departments or federal departments or whatever, you know, who do the actual work.
	I was gonna say, like, they actually They do a lot of work.
	They do the jobs.
	They do the stuff we need them to do.
	And usually they're hired based on some sort of merit.
	That's supposed to be the idea.
	The subtext, I think, is that she's mostly kind of talking about Fauci.
	Who she fucking hates.
	Because he's an unelected bureaucrat, right?
	Because he was appointed and not elected.
	He was appointed Director of NIAID in 1984, and who appointed him?
	Ronald Reagan!
	In 2020, he was put on the White House Coronavirus Task Force, also known as the President's Coronavirus Task Force, by then-President Donald Trump.
	Like, if you want to come for people being appointed rather than elected, fine.
	Let's have that stupid discussion and ignore the fact these people have to be confirmed by the Senate, which is the part where the democracy kicks in, and let's also ignore just how many elections would be required if every appointed position suddenly became an elected position, and how complex that system would be.
	Let's Ignore all that, fine.
	But let's not forget it was your guys that gave him the power in the first place and continue to do so because he was competent and the right person for the job.
	Like, unelected does not mean lacking merit, necessarily.
	In fact, it's usually the people who we elect.
	The opposite!
	Yes!
	Very obviously the opposite!
	Yeah, it's the people we elect who tend to be grossly incompetent.
	Yeah, elections are popularity contests and money, like who can spend more money usually wins, especially a down ballot or like a local position.
	Oh yeah.
	And yeah, you can elect sheriffs and coroners and like, I mean, okay.
	Oh, don't even get me started on sheriffs.
	That's a fascinating little subject.
	Well, we're not going to do that today.
	That's a whole thing.
	And also, I mean, yeah, like usually, like that's, that's just, you can run for office judges, like you can get elected.
	Whereas if you're appointed, I mean, listen, The honor system situation that is still allowed is a problem.
	It's true.
	If you know somebody, you know somebody, and then you can get a job.
	I mean, I think we all need to be a little more honest about hiring at every job and how it works.
	Absolutely.
	to actually have a mature conversation about this but like come on that's all right okay okay yeah okay yeah it's um it's it's a very silly keep it going it's a very silly conversation to be having um now the the next clip uh must remind everyone took place prior to Joe Biden stepping down and Kamala Harris being the presumptive nominee so there there's a at this time there's still a strong assumption that Trump is going to win in November Before we get to how Marjorie wants to transform the Republican Party.
	They're not.
	They're not them.
	I think you're right about that.
	Marjorie, do you believe that the Republican movement, which will presumably now be elected in November under Trump and Vance, will be able to represent the interests of all working people, regardless of culture or class, well not class, but in particular working people, And of all cultures and classes and of both sexes.
	Do you think that they will be able to represent them in the way that those people believe?
	Or do you think that the Republican Party movement will similarly be co-opted by the kind of commercial interests and financial interests that have dominated politics, institutional politics, for, you know, for many, many years, perhaps always?
	Well, you're asking someone who I repeatedly attack my own party because I ran for Congress because I was more angry at Republicans than I was at Democrats.
	I know what Democrats are.
	They tell us every day and they actually follow through and they get their job done for their policy positions.
	Republicans have failed over and over again.
	I was an angry Republican voter when I decided to run for Congress because I was sick and tired of the failures of my party.
	And I am here purely for one goal, to change the Republican Party to actually be a party for the people and serve the American people, to secure our borders, to protect the worker, to protect the family, to protect our God-given freedoms.
	And I'm telling you, I think people can expect more failure from the Republican Party, but we have to fight it, and we have to fight it to change it, and we have to continually push the problem people out until we're able to get it to a point where it's actually serving people.
	Oh, good.
	Yes.
	Let's just get rid of anyone that doesn't agree with all of your views.
	That's going to end well.
	Vote Tories out was what y'all just did.
	So maybe let's not cast aspersion on the statement in isolation.
	Well, I would say it's different trying to push people out of your own political party.
	And I think that's what she's trying to do.
	It's, hey, you're not the right kind of Republican.
	Get the fuck out.
	You're not a Trumper.
	Let's get you out, Mitt Romney.
	Let's get you out.
	You know, the people who don't subscribe to the exact same worldview, you know?
	And that's a problem.
	I'm not a fan.
	I mean, if I could push Joe Manchin out under the D umbrella tomorrow, I would.
	Sure.
	The thing is, what I'm saying is, she is saying things in isolation.
	that are reasonable and could be construed as like her when she's not all fired up her answers and her speech is extremely like tepid and mealy mouth right like that's how like that's how they're gonna get the juice.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm still, I am concerned.
	I am as well!
	I'm expressing concern by pointing out that she's being reasonable.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	And it does kind of... Sounding.
	Not being.
	I'm sorry.
	It obfuscates.
	Sounding reasonable.
	Yeah, the sounding reasonable obfuscates the acting very unreasonably.
	And yeah, the troubling part for me is, you know, I don't think it has That much to do with Marjorie specifically, other than her role as an attack dog.
	But, you know, the Trump party is very much in full swing in this year of 2024.
	It's become a system of get on board or get the fuck out, you know?
	And that's, ooh, I can think of some examples from history where that doesn't end well.
	You know, and I'm uncomfortable.
	Sure.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	I mean yeah this is a playbook and they're I mean it's terrifying yes yes it's terrifying to watch them like wield this kind of power so effectively but at the same time like there is something to be said for like at least there's there's I'm feeling a little hopeful that they have gone so far that it's distasteful for most regular regular degular Americans yeah yeah obviously the fascism is too obvious now you know we've Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, is packaging it in mostly reasonable, it's like, what the dog whistles were like, protecting borders, blah blah, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And then protecting labor, what she's saying is like, from immigrants taking your jobs, quote unquote, quote unquote, you know?
	Yes.
	That is one of those things that lately I've been hearing, like, you know how long ago that fucking South Park episode was?
	Pickin' our jobs!
	It was such a long time ago.
	That's a while, yeah.
	They took our jobs!
	Yeah!
	And it's, that's, that's a point that, like, that's this, like, silly talking point and that was a while ago.
	That was.
	And we're, it's just getting worse.
	Yeah.
	What the fuck are we doing?
	Um, it's, it's, that's one of the, like, it was, you know, it was like a stupid catchphrase and I was like, God, is that what, 15 years old?
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Anyway, yeah.
	Holy shit.
	Gross.
	I'm more worried that they can be reasonable and sound reasonable and be like, I've seen clips of clips or not usually not clips.
	They're too smart for this.
	But like, Quotes from Tucker Carlson like from like when it's not on Fox News and he says something reasonable which he says like there's a lot of reasonable talk that could it is also like so vague to mean anything.
	Yeah completely banal you know.
	And, yeah, and then they add these little nuggets of evil that we need to fight against.
	And if you aren't, like, if you're not, you know, like, like, pilled, if you're not, like, dealing with this on a daily basis and really educating yourself and also just, like, if you don't care, which is also, like, totally reasonable because politics is a nightmare.
	But, like, it's, it's, that's what we need to be the most worried about is the, Their ability to like obfuscate like you said like obfuscate themselves and their intentions.
	Yeah yeah because you know it's within these kind of banal statements it's very difficult to you know if you don't take in the context of their entire worldview it sounds it sounds fine and then you take in the whole picture you're like oh no I see what you're trying to get at here and I don't like it I don't like it um and and speaking of of sounding reasonable she has a little bit more of that in this next clip actually um Along with painting a bleak picture for us as to the effects of globalism.
	I wonder if you are similarly concerned about the impact of global corporatism on the American economy.
	And let me just give you one off the top of my head example.
	It seems that the Ukraine war particularly facilitates and benefits the military-industrial complex and that any post-war Ukraine situation might benefit BlackRock.
	Is that the kind of thing that a Republican Party ought be standing against?
	Ensuring that Black Rock, Vanguard can't from behind the scenes run the world?
	And is it possible?
	And in a way, isn't that a greater threat than even something that I know that many, most of my audience care a lot about, and I know that you care about, immigration.
	Isn't that a bigger threat to American sovereignty and to the lives of ordinary Americans?
	It's a genuine question.
	It's truly one of the greatest threats to democracy.
	You know, I'm from a rural district.
	And all the small towns in my district, they have closed down factories that loom like skeletons over our small towns, almost like graveyards.
	And the heartbreaking effect on these small towns is, you know, the decades and decades of sending our manufacturing jobs overseas, really so for corporate greed, so the people at the top could make all the money, and the people at the bottom lost their jobs.
	I'll tell you what the result was, Russell.
	It's heartbreaking, but I think this is probably, you know, all over the world is in these small towns when dad lost his job because the factory closed, he went home and was jobless.
	And then over time, what happened?
	Mom and Dad start fighting.
	And then Dad's an alcoholic because he can't find another job because there's no other opportunities in the small town that we live in.
	And then what happens next?
	Mom and Dad are fighting.
	There's alcoholism.
	Divorce happens.
	And then a family is ripped apart.
	And then you go on some more years.
	Maybe their son, maybe an uncle or a cousin has to go off and serve in some stupid fucking foreign war that completely radically changes them forever.
	And then they're addicted to drugs because of painkillers and they can't sleep at night because of the dreams that they have and the nightmares and they can't get rid of them.
	And then they come home changed back to that small town where there's not an opportunity.
	There's no more jobs because of the corporate bastards that basically sought higher profit margins.
	And I get that because I'm a business owner.
	Everybody wants higher profit margins, but they went over for slave labor
	Yeah.
	and all these other countries so that they could increase their profit margins.
	But what they did is they destroyed our dollar.
	But in doing so, they really destroyed the heart of America and that's these little small towns
	that are scattered everywhere, like the ones where I live, and it's heartbreaking.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh, wha-wha- What I would really love to do is get an inventory of every single truck and tool that her company, Taylor Commercial, uses and see if they're all American made.
	I would bet a lot of money that they're not.
	I was just writing down.
	I was just writing down.
	Like, first of all, I mean, he's a global corporatist.
	I think that Russell is a little more aware, like, oh, I'm not from here.
	And I'm getting my dirty little paws into your politics, so I have to not just say globalist.
	Yes.
	He has to pretend that a corporation doesn't, like, pay him to make content.
	Rumble is a corporation, is an international corporation.
	A long-term.
	Yeah, like, the fucking clothes on your back, the car you drive, the dye that you use to make your hair that color, the microphone you're talking into right now.
	Get real!
	That's what, seriously?
	So that's, honestly, this is, I will like to take this opportunity.
	And I haven't, listen, I've had some, these are mostly like shower conversations, maybe almost exclusively.
	But for whatever reason, I have conditioned myself Pavlov style to like, somehow I'm only thinking about this in the shower.
	But it's like, All of this talk about voting, right?
	The argument about voting, not voting, supporting genocide, all this kind of stuff.
	Valid, important discussions are being had.
	I can't tell anybody what to do or where your moral red line is.
	I genuinely can't.
	But.
	Man for a long many years I had chain smoking vegans lecturing me about health.
	And about their, like, and the impact on the planet, whatever, right?
	And, like, fine, but what no one is necessarily taking accountability for is what is the company they work for, which sucks.
	Like, we are put into a position, we are forced into this position of having to participate In this, like, capitalist, like, this, like, late state, or like, you know, developed stage capitalistic nightmare, but...
	What you spend your money on every day, you absolutely make more money for that company than you are getting paid.
	That's what she just said.
	Profit margins are on your back.
	Yeah.
	You are making more money for that company than you were getting paid or else you wouldn't have that job.
	Unless it's a front, I don't know.
	That's different.
	Anyway.
	Misunderstand and just like disconnect of, yeah, maybe our votes don't count that much every four years.
	Maybe I've never had a full vote.
	I've had like a fourth or a sixth of one person's vote my entire adult life because of the Electoral College and because of districting, right?
	But every single day.
	And listen, this is not a lecture.
	I know it sounds that way.
	I'm passionate about this subject.
	And I think it's frustrating to me that other people are not.
	Because every single thing you buy...
	Every single thing that you use and what you contribute to has most likely way more impact on like the global south and on suffering of everyday people.
	If you go and read the tag on the inside of your clothing and it says it's made in Bangladesh, that is poisoning someone's water supply, that is probably child labor, that is exploitative labor, they may not have gotten paid at all For making that thing that you're enjoying and you're paying a corporation for.
	Shall I have second hand first?
	That's a start.
	And again, I have to make this caveat every single time.
	Individual action obviously will not make this change, but we need to be aware.
	We are voting with our dollars just as much.
	That's what it genuinely is like.
	It's like a red blinking alarm.
	Every time I hear- I know that globalist is like, you know, code for Jews, right?
	Like that's what this set of people has made it out to be, but the hypocrisy of saying globalist, especially fucking British Russell, Targeting American, like, targeting American people?
	Bitch, you are the globalist of, like, you're the most globalisti.
	You are globalista.
	Globalistidad.
	That is you.
	Actively poaching an audience from across the world, you know?
	Yeah!
	Get fucking real!
	Y'all love the shit out of globalism!
	You love it!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he does keep hopping on a plane over there, and yeah, go into other places.
	And who's paying her?
	Like, who's paying for her campaigns?
	Like, bro, please!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And who's paying for Russell, you know?
	Equally.
	These are the individuals that could make choices that would make a difference, and they don't.
	And then they just sit here and bitch about it!
	Yeah.
	I did find out the other day that RFK paid Russell, I think, like nearly 70 grand for his comedy appearance the other month.
	Which is, that's hilarious.
	And that's including travel and all of this other stuff.
	Flying him out there.
	It's, yeah, it's great.
	I just got nauseous.
	That made me nauseous.
	Yeah, it should.
	I will say, you know, the problem again with this is her point taken in isolation, you know, of like, oh global corporatism is fucking over the working class, you know, that concept Fine on its face.
	Broadly correct.
	Yeah, right?
	You know, I mean, ties into manufacturing jobs and that kind of situation gets more complicated.
	Technology, blah blah blah blah blah.
	But I agree with the overall point.
	And of course, she says this while a member of the Republican Party, which is...
	Propped up almost entirely by global corporatism of the worst kind.
	A Republican Party whose policies only ever aim to serve that same global corporatism through enormous tax reliefs and God knows what the fuck else.
	Deregulation up the wazoo.
	So like, if you're gonna be against it, be against it, but you know, put your fucking money where your mouth is, you know?
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	That is exactly what I'm saying is like and listen, I don't think it's wrong and I think that me and you and the ears that are listening to this right now, we are not like we should be making choices that we feel good about and not just like feel good but like feeling good is Fine.
	Greenwashing has made a lot of feel-good choices like only feel good and not actually produce any benefit.
	Yeah.
	There's a lot of like, because also like consumer culture is partly responsible for the like red team blue team game That has produced these kind of political parties.
	This is all connected.
	And understanding that, like, listen, if BDS matters to you, and I know it matters to a lot of you, and you're using the apps to do the thing, I mean, it's a really great first step.
	And I think that we have also seen results.
	Like, corporations will respond if we stop feeding the beast.
	There is, like, honestly, like, you know, all this happening with Gaza and, like, the success of the BDS, like, movement, or at least getting some traction, even though the, you know, the hurdles are big.
	Getting to see actual progress, because people care, has given me hope in a way that, you know, like, I thought, I thought the True Cost, this documentary that came out in, like, 2014 or something, 2013, like, I thought that was gonna be, like, a big deal, and people were gonna care about fast fashion, and I was wrong!
	And, like, it really, like, dashed any hope I had on the pavement.
	It has not changed how I live my life.
	But I, I mean, the opposite, honestly.
	But... I hope that it opens people's eyes more to not just the vote that, you know, that, like, genuinely, like, these cynical politicians, I don't care your affiliation, like, are telling you just to vote.
	Like, you're voting every day with your dollars.
	Yeah.
	You're voting every day.
	You need to understand, like... Globalism, capital, like, there are...
	There's a lot of great things about having a global network and networking and access, right?
	But we need to understand the price that is paid for every single item at every single link in the supply chain for things that you buy every day.
	And yes, you are responsible.
	Like, it's-- There's-- Like, you can--
	You can see it and understand that it is responsibility that maybe you can't do anything about,
	but just acknowledging that responsibility is a big part of it.
	Like, understand and trying to find a better solution, trying to find something that, you know, or like not shopping.
	Not shopping.
	Buying from a small business.
	I'm not saying hers.
	But just making more conscious consumer decisions.
	Genuinely.
	It does make a difference if we're all aware.
	That's something that we can do today, right now.
	And there's also regulations that are actually trying to get through Congress that are really great.
	I mean the fashion act is a big deal and we should all be talking about it and care because we are all participating in exploitative slave labor every time we make a purchase and it's either overseas in the global south or it's prison labor like and this is not like It's not license plates anymore, it's Oil of Olay.
	Like, these are the companies that are using slave labor in America today, right now.
	We need to, there needs to be an understanding of the connectivity of all of these different points and how, like, I think the hypocrisy really explodes Like it just blows up, it blossoms, right?
	When I'm listening to these people.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Cause they're just, they're talking, cause then you can hear, even in their kind of like mealy mouth speech, you can hear how hypocritical they are.
	Oh yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	It's, it's pretty insufferable.
	Um, yeah.
	And, and yeah, I, I will say as well, like, you know, it's, um, I, I would love to live in a world where you don't have to fucking research all these companies And how terrible they are, but it is empowering to be able to make a choice that isn't actively harmful.
	You know, it is empowering to be like, ah, you know what?
	Fuck you.
	I'm going to buy from these people because they're better.
	I'm going to buy secondhand.
	I'm going to, you know, it's, um.
	Secondhand is the easiest way to do it.
	Yeah.
	It's the easiest way to do it.
	There's like, and using the stuff you already have.
	Genuinely, it's so hard to not include shopping.
	Also, I make stuff.
	I need people to buy it so I can live and eat, right?
	But having an option that is not actively feeding...
	The temporary kind of like relief or you know like respite that we get from like that little hit of dopamine of buying a thing like it's we need to understand like how profoundly manipulated that we are like and we are having the thing is is like we're having these conversations in one arena Right?
	It's like global politics.
	They want to talk about, like, these people who I'm looking at, you know, like Marjorie Taylor Greene and Russell, want to use war as, like, use the Ukraine war specifically as this kind of talking point for their own ends.
	But what you actually, like, that is the conversation that we are having, and it is very important, but we need to see where else it applies.
	Because there's a much broader conversation that's not being talked about, and I do think That maybe people need to calm down just a little fucking bit about like, you know...
	Bullying people for their, like, voting choices?
	Yeah, yeah.
	What shoes are on your fucking feet?
	What car are you in?
	Like, what, what, like, listen, we are all put in a position, like, for me, it's a tool of, like, empathy and understanding.
	Like, we are all being put in these choices every single day.
	And it's not just the one vote every four years or whatever, or every two years.
	Like, we are, They're all connected subjects.
	They're all connected problems.
	And we can do a lot more about the consumership.
	We have way more agency.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We are the consumers.
	Because that will also take away the money from these fucking assholes.
	Like, supporting legislation that will close tax loopholes and will like, you know, like the NDA ruling that might even not go through.
	Like, those are the kind of things, like that kind of corporate manipulation that is like, Either close to or virtually on the consumer level.
	That's where we can act.
	Yeah.
	And we have way more agency.
	There's a reason that, like, we're not, like, if, and I, I don't know, listen, I don't know if any one of you is, has your fur up over me saying this stuff.
	In my personal life experience, it has gotten a lot better.
	Thank you.
	That's one of the good things about social media and the internet is people are Way more educated than they have been, ever, about environmental overconsumption issues.
	But my personal experience has been wildly negative.
	That people think that I'm attacking them personally, that I'm coming for you.
	It's literally the opposite.
	I just want people to know, and I want you to think about it.
	Hold it in your mind the next time you're at Target.
	It looks slick and glossy and nice, but the employees in that store are being fucked with.
	The employees that made that shit overseas are being fucked with.
	And the environment is being fucked with at every possible level.
	All of that is in the price.
	Yeah.
	If it's cheap, somebody didn't get paid.
	If it's very cheap, a lot of people didn't get paid.
	I mean, it's just there's blood on all this shit.
	We need to understand that.
	Yeah, anyway.
	The globalist shit, I know that's a dog whistle, but if you're taking it literally, which I think you should, Because Russell's a fucking British guy doing this right now.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah.
	The hypocrisy is expansive.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It would be entertaining if it wasn't so depressing.
	Okay!
	Next Russell essentially asks if we should all live in a theocracy.
	Huh.
	Marjorie, does America have to have a vision that goes beyond a kind of economic vision based sort of on America first, bringing back manufacturing and bringing back industry?
	Because when you describe that, you're describing a spiritual crisis, it sounds like to me.
	You're describing a country that has lost its way.
	Do you think it's part of the function of good leadership in America to provide that kind of spiritual vision, to ensure that there's a revivification and a re-sacralisation of America and American domestic life and American public life?
	Because that's one of the things I've noticed.
	There's something somehow godless about America lately and maybe even a point sort of demonic of almost sense.
	But would you say that it is the role of government, when you continually discuss the reducing of government because of the corruption of bureaucracies, what then is the function of government?
	Is it simply managerial and let people get on with their own bloody lives?
	Or does America have a responsibility to provide some kind of spiritual vision?
	Because what you're describing sounds like a spiritual crisis.
	I think it is a spiritual crisis.
	I think my role as a member of the House of Representatives is I don't need to pass any more legislation to create more government.
	My role as a member of Congress should be reducing government.
	We're a nation at $35 trillion in debt and shame on America.
	Shame on our government.
	What a horrific assault on the American people.
	And it has destroyed our country in ways that's unbelievable.
	It's destroyed our opportunities.
	Inflation has driven the cost of food to be unbearable.
	Senior citizens are choosing between rent and being able to pay for their medications.
	And then, you know, instead of being able to be a stay-at-home mom, many moms are working, and then moms and dads are working multiple jobs to afford just to be able to feed their kids.
	Yeah, this is the government's fault, and it is spiritual, though.
	It is spiritual, and here's why.
	Look at the ways of the federal government.
	Look at the things they sell to the world.
	In order to take our money, you know, foreign countries, if you want our money, if you want us to give it to you, you have to accept the fact that transgenders need to be elevated in your country.
	You need to accept the fact that we're going to push abortion on pregnant women in your country.
	You need to accept the fact that we're going to push an agenda on your people that you don't believe on.
	And that's because that's the agenda that has been promoted and pushed on the American people.
	And it's all completely evil.
	And the whole lie, this transgender lie that you can be as many genders as you want when there's only two, and it's male and female because we're created in the image of God.
	is the worst lie because it's an absolute assault on God's creation, which is in Genesis.
	So when you ask, "Is it spiritual?" It is 100% spiritual.
	And that's what is wrong here in America. And unfortunately, that is what the government
	and these people that are possessed with evil are selling to the entire world.
	Okay, so yes, I suppose, is the answer?
	We should live in a Christian theocracy.
	And that's why we should hate trans people, because this lady was made out of a rib.
	And that's what it says in the book.
	Even, like, her own logic.
	What?
	That was just a hard right.
	Like, hard right turn.
	I was like, if I was crazy like you, I wouldn't.
	Yeah, because I'm not aware of, like, America's foreign aid coming with the strings attached of, like, you have to elevate transgender people in your country.
	You know, I've not seen that happening, you know?
	It's really interesting what she just said, because she was kind of, like, she was waffling in the real problems she was talking about.
	Like, you know, like, because she keeps kind of citing these individual issues that are very fucking real for a lot of Americans.
	Americans, right? Like food insecurity, housing insecurity.
	These are all things that like are real.
	And she has, she has nothing for that, but then she can get to the talking point,
	which completely distracts from this.
	Like it distracts entirely from what she's saying.
	I don't think she believes, it doesn't sound like she believes it at all, or at least if she, like, or if she does, she's cynical.
	Like, I believe she's cynical, and she will say whatever feels good in the moment, because even she said 100% spiritual when she Two sentences before she said it's also spiritual as something else.
	So obviously she doesn't give enough of a shit to be consistent and she doesn't actually have any kind of like basis for what she's feeling because like she's talking about problems like where and it makes sense that she would have to avoid acknowledging the problem she's talking about or a critique on what has happened like those are because the social safety net has been destroyed.
	Like that's why you know like why retirees can't afford their medication, all that kind
	of stuff. Like, oh, and weren't churches supposed to, like, they're tax exempt in their 501c3 and
	they don't have to pay taxes. They don't have to help with that debt you're so concerned about
	because they were supposed to fill in the They're supposed to be charitable.
	Charitable.
	Fill in the gap.
	Yes, yeah.
	But magically, that hasn't really worked out the way that that plan was supposed to.
	So then what do you do?
	You have a governmental social safety net to actually strengthen the communities that you're talking about.
	Now, Lauren, I was told that it would all trickle down.
	That's what I heard.
	That's what someone said to me once, that it trickles down.
	That's fucking stupid.
	That's a fucking stupid thing.
	It does seem a little bit, yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	Sounds like her.
	Fucking stupid.
	That's like, also, it's hard because I'm like... I'm not one to throw around stupid.
	I'm not one to throw around stupid, right?
	Yeah.
	Genuinely.
	Yeah.
	She sounds fucking stupid.
	This is stupid.
	Yeah, it does sound kind of dumb.
	Because she's not good.
	Like, she's parroting great.
	She's parroting her talking points.
	Yeah.
	And she's doing the, like, evil incitement, but she's not, it's not creative.
	No, no, no.
	It's true, it's true.
	It's not terribly exciting garbage that she's throwing out there.
	There is, however, a fair bit to unpack.
	Like, not least of all Marjorie, fuck the patriarchy, Taylor Greene saying that women should be stay-at-home mothers.
	Also, yeah, the idea that the government is too big and that's why old people are having to choose between food or heating.
	Like, obviously, no.
	The reason that's happening is capitalism, rich fuckers like these two not paying their share in taxes, and the gutting of the social safety net by conservatives and predominantly Republicans.
	And yet, if pressed on the areas of government that Marjorie Taylor Greene would like to cut, because that's what she's talking about, would she cut the military that could be literally cut in half and still be the most powerful military on the planet?
	No.
	No, the things she would cut are, like, the very programs helping Americans.
	Things like welfare and Medicare.
	That's what she wants to fucking get rid of.
	And she also believes that climate change is a sham, and so would probably sign on to the notion of getting rid of the EPA, which has been floated by Republicans for quite some time.
	Oh, they basically already did it.
	They got rid of Chevron deference.
	It's done.
	It's done.
	That happened.
	It's done.
	It's done.
	Yeah, I find Marjorie to be the worst kind of finger-pointing capitalist who will point at big government or migrants or the jobless and say, ah, they're the drain on society in an intentional effort to obfuscate that she's the fucking problem.
	It is wild to like to understand and like and to hear I'm sorry this is just like this is wild because like before the consolidation of the religious right well you know moral majority movement that was there was a meeting real people did it.
	Yeah.
	The religious line.
	Because she's also, like, again, they're talking about demonization.
	Like, they're talking about demons and evil and blah blah blah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Also, the book.
	Like, the Bible also really doesn't like rich people.
	No.
	The conversation up until the 70s of, like, pretty fundamentalist Christian churches and, like, the line was not prosperity gospel.
	It is wild to see how quickly the conversation has changed across the board in favor of, this is prosperity gospel is allowing this woman to do these things.
	And capitalism loves a carpetbagger, which is exactly what she is.
	She's exploited the system for herself.
	And that's like, we used to hate those people in America.
	Yeah.
	We used to try to shoot them and blow them up.
	Yeah.
	What happened?
	Yeah, right?
	Like, I'm not going to advocate political violence, but also, what happened, guys?
	I'm just asking what happened.
	I'm just asking what happened.
	Because there's a lot of reasons, there's a lot of answers, and all those answers need to be addressed.
	Yeah, none of them are good.
	None of them seem to be good.
	Yeah, oh dear.
	So Russell offers the meekest pushback on the anti-trans stuff in this next clip.
	Marjorie, I'll just say this.
	As a man new in Christ myself, I feel that my first priority is to be loving and open-hearted to all people, and I certainly don't believe that anyone should be subject to strong messaging.
	And I reckon then people that do believe in transgender stuff felt that they were obligated and pressurised into roles like, this is what you have to be to be a man, this is what you have to be to be a woman.
	It seems to me that there is a number of ways to be a human being, and my personal belief is in absolute freedom, even though I am a new convert to the Christian faith and I believe in our Lord and Saviour.
	My priority is love, love wherever possible, and non-judgment, for if judgment was going to be part of my deal, I'd be finished.
	He's not wrong.
	He's not wrong there.
	If he ever subscribes to a belief system that held him accountable for his actions, he would be fucked.
	Game over.
	He needs to stop reading the book!
	He needs to stop reading the book right now!
	Put it down!
	You can't read the book!
	These are the ideas that are, I mean, you know, adjusted for Russell.
	Yeah, this is what the book says.
	This is what your God has told you to do.
	Put it down.
	Walk away now.
	Yeah.
	And also, it really puts his defense of trans people in a more cynical light as well, because what he's saying is, I can't judge these people because if I did, then I would be open to being judged as well.
	And I don't want to open that door.
	So I'm just not gonna.
	You know, that argument is made a lot.
	Like, you know, like how, why do you need a book?
	Like, why do you need like church to tell you to not be horrible to people?
	And there, listen, if there's, this is a theory, but it's that argument community is like, if that's what you need to stop it.
	Okay.
	If that's what most, most, I think people genuinely don't, I think most people are indoctrinated in church to rationalize.
	But it isn't just church.
	A lot of devices in the world can help you rationalize your behavior and think that, you know, well, you're different, so you can do it when other people can't.
	And you can be a hypocrite because X, Y, and Z.
	It's really fun.
	He was right on the money.
	Yeah.
	And then he's like, yeah, but I don't know.
	You're a better Christian than me, apparently.
	You're a much more- You've done it for longer, Hannah.
	You're a much more Christian than me.
	Russell, you just said it.
	You just identified it.
	It's like, well, all these things that I'm learning about reading these books and talking to people about, they really don't jive.
	And, oh, you're almost there!
	You're almost there!
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I'm new!
	What do I know?
	Uh, yeah, okay.
	That's the thing is that there's always an excuse.
	Yeah.
	And there's always an excuse.
	You never have to take responsibility if there's always, if you can always be like, oh, it's kind of, you know what?
	You are right.
	I don't, I don't know.
	You know what?
	I don't know.
	And that's, that's, yeah.
	I mean, he keeps platforming these same people who keep saying these same things, you know, keeps doing it.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	Like that's, that's the thing is like, well, if it's not like, if, if what they're saying isn't lining up with, like, if you're reading the Bible, You can say, hey, this doesn't line up.
	There's a long, rich tradition of that happening.
	Yeah, for sure.
	You can just speak up and say, I don't agree.
	Yeah.
	Because I just read the thing.
	You're wrong, Marjorie.
	You're wrong about so much.
	Anyway, so next Marjorie makes a hilarious joke before she goes to leave.
	Marjorie, I've been so happy to speak to you, because I watch you on the TV, and even as I became more open to different types of politics, you were one of my favorite people to watch, because I like the way you run your mouth.
	Thank you.
	I like the way you confront people, I like the way you shut people down, and I like the way you represent your constituency.
	Russell, I have to add one thing.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Just because I identify as tall doesn't make me tall.
	I'm very short.
	And so, look, But if it made you happy to identify as tall, I would walk around on my knees, Marjorie.
	I love it.
	Thank you.
	Thank you, God bless you.
	You don't love it!
	Thanks for coming on, you're bloody lovely.
	You don't love it!
	I appreciate it, nice to see you.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's not pleased.
	She's not pleased with what he just said to her.
	No, no.
	For listeners, she's like looking off camera and is pressed.
	She's a needy press.
	That's a grimace.
	Yeah, I'm also quite sure, yeah, Marjorie has spent years crying herself to sleep because she identifies as tall.
	You know, has experienced dysphoria and her body doesn't do what it's supposed to, isn't what it's supposed to be great.
	Yeah, okay, yeah, sure, fucking sure, Marjorie.
	Well, you know what's funny about fashion?
	Because she's genuinely, someone is dressing her quite well.
	That's something that annoys me.
	It's like, that's a very fetching fur, you know, like top, whatever.
	Sure, yeah.
	Gender affirmation includes fashion that makes you appear longer and taller.
	You practice gender-affirming care in every single outfit that makes you look taller and more lean and less squat.
	That is gender-affirming practices in your life, Madge.
	Like, that's what's happening.
	I, uh...
	I think you would be receiving that same look from her right now if she were here.
	Oh, that's fine.
	That's the right look to get.
	I can't afford to be in the same room as her.
	I am also very annoyed by Russell's response to this because he took it too far in the other direction.
	Because what trans people want is not to have people bend over backwards to support them and crawl around on their knees, but to simply be respected for who they are as people.
	It's the simplest, easiest fucking thing in the world, and both of these idiots have grossly misunderstood it and taken it in opposite directions.
	Well, but that's the thing, is if we, like, he said that.
	He just said that into a microphone in a very, like, one of the things that I saw, you know, because I have to kind of avoid what Russell is up to, you know, to be able to do the show and, like, do these episodes, but the one thing I did see was Marjorie Taylor Greene and Russell, like, that picture came across my feed as soon as it happened.
	And if he's saying this, like a lot of people heard it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	If that's how you feel, that's a very clear stance.
	I would walk around on my knees if you decided to identify as tall to accommodate you.
	Russell made it clear.
	So there we go.
	That's our yardstick.
	He has said that in no uncertain terms.
	So then we'll see if he does that.
	We'll see.
	Because that's what he said.
	He said that he'd be more than accommodating.
	So then just being regular accommodating should be A breeze.
	Super easy, one would think.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, something to keep track of.
	Something to keep track of.
	She really hated that.
	That was fun.
	So she, well, immediately after this, she goes to leave in this next clip.
	Okay, I'd love to find more time.
	Can we get in touch with Marjorie's team and Brian and everything to make sure?
	Because I would talk to you forever, but it's just we're booked in with Eric Trump, who's arrived here to speak with us.
	Yeah, I mean, here he is.
	There he is.
	Thank you.
	There is Eric Trump, who I'm meeting for the first time in my life.
	Marjorie.
	Thank you so much.
	I'll stand up for you, man.
	Wait for us one second.
	I'm just going to get Eric Trump.
	Marjorie Taylor.
	OK.
	Screen is empty.
	And dead air?
	What?
	Yeah.
	Oh, for us too.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	What's?
	I'll do an intro while you're doing that.
	All right.
	So Eric Trump's over there.
	He's just giving Marjorie Taylor Greene a cuddle.
	Eric, please join us.
	Big fan of yours.
	I'm so happy to meet you.
	Yeah, no, we're not dealing with Eric Trump.
	Don't worry.
	Don't worry.
	I feel like it is beneath even us to have to listen to the lesser Trumps lurking around every corner vying for daddy's attention.
	No, no, no.
	What we're going to do instead of covering Eric Trump is skip ahead to the next day, which featured Andrew Clavin, Ron Johnson, and then a surprise guest.
	And again, we get straight into a question.
	Thanks, you could consider becoming an Awake and Wonder, joining us there, and you get additional content, you get to ask me questions directly, whatever you want, I'll answer you.
	I'll answer you plainly and clearly with whatever you want, because this is one of the things I like about you, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you full-on actual person.
	She's back!
	You actual real-life person, not talking like proper politicians.
	Yeah.
	Mate, so yesterday, like, we were just having that chat with Senator Ron Johnson, then you started talking about the patriarchy again, and you seem to be framing the patriarchy in a slightly different way than we're used to hearing of it described within maybe the neoliberal establishment, but also within, I suppose you'd have to say, legitimate feminist activist groups.
	Can you tell us what you mean when you say that?
	Well, you know, it's really funny, Russell.
	I feel like it's almost meant to be that we're having this conversation.
	Because just a couple weeks ago, I was at home and I was doing some writing.
	I always do writing to get my thoughts out, just journaling.
	And I was actually thinking about the patriarchy and how the patriarchy has been framed for millions and millions of young women and teenage girls.
	And I was thinking, you know, the patriarchy is actually something truly different than how it's been framed and how these young women think.
	You were writing about this in your journal?
	And it's, I just, I could not believe it when you brought it up yesterday because I was actually writing what we said.
	You know, out loud, and I felt so awkward saying it on here because I was like, am I allowed to say this on Rumble?
	But the whole term, fuck the patriarchy, which is freeing to be able to say, needs to be redefined.
	And it's important to do that because I feel like there are millions of young women that have been misled About what it means to be a woman.
	About what they view as something that's against them.
	Maybe how they've been hurt, possibly, by men in their lives.
	But I think the patriarchy is so much different than how they've been taught.
	All these feminists, they're wrong about the patriarchy and I am right.
	Famous patriarchal understander, Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	She's like, well, I just learned this term.
	I read it on a sign that someone was holding who was clearly very angry at me.
	And I thought, I can manipulate this To mean something completely different, just like Phyllis Schlafly before me.
	I like saying fuck to things, so I'm going to say fuck to this because it seems fun.
	I quite like it.
	So anyway, she came back.
	What fucks me off is that she wasn't supposed to be there either time.
	She was a surprise booking in both appearances.
	So I go into the week and I get blindsided by Marjorie Taylor Greene not once but twice.
	Fuck me.
	Also.
	I don't usually give a single shit what someone writes about in their journal.
	I put it in a very similar category to telling me about your dreams, but I would love to read hers.
	That's exactly what I was like.
	No, no, no.
	Very different.
	I would love to see the unedited ramblings.
	Please.
	Oh yeah.
	If I'm prepared for it.
	Yeah, your stream of consciousness?
	No, I'm genuinely fascinated.
	Oh, that'd be so good.
	That's a doctoral thesis for me, thank you.
	So good.
	That's just, it's so, man, okay.
	Well, I'm glad I know what to expect.
	I mean...
	Cause it's just crazy that she's, yeah, she's like, well, I thought about it and I have to completely change the definition in order to manipulate it for myself.
	Right.
	I thought about it and you know, we're going to ignore, you know, these, these decades, centuries of women writing about this, this very problem.
	People!
	Yeah, yeah, people, yeah.
	You don't have to be a woman to care about the patriarchy.
	Oh no, absolutely not.
	That's the whole fucking point.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, for sure.
	It is another tool of oppression for all of us.
	Yes, yes.
	Yeah, and to just, the hubris to be like, nah, all these people are wrong.
	I'm right!
	It's this other thing.
	It's the globalists.
	That's what the patriarchy is. Oh, oh, God. I, yeah. Oh, dear.
	Anyway, so next Marjorie explains why the progressive left will never vote the same way as her.
	When AOC first become a star, I really like AOC because I thought she used to be a waitress, now she's in Congress.
	This is exactly the kind of thing we want.
	Ordinary people rising up from working class jobs.
	But when I see you and her having that conversation, I thought that she was maybe a little bit rude.
	And I wonder, do you think that people, when they're inside the political establishment, get co-opted and captured by sort of different ideologies?
	And would there be a way where someone like you and AOC could find a common ground, conviviality, and even a kind of sisterhood?
	Or do you think that the positions are too charged and opposed?
	Do you see any solidarity with her?
	And do you think that she has qualities, or do you feel sort of personally hurt by it, and that she represents things that you find repellent?
	No, actually, AOC, who used to be a progressive, I don't think she's a progressive anymore.
	I think she's abandoned her people that elected her.
	She's abandoned her views.
	Now she's basically a member of the Democrat establishment.
	She fully supports the 82-year-old white man that they're still propping up as their candidate for president.
	So AOC in particular, she's a tough example for me to use.
	But actually, some of my votes align with progressives.
	We often times see someone like me voting with Ilhan Omar or some of the members of the progressives.
	And we should, right?
	This isn't uncommon.
	Things like prison reform, issues like foreign wars, issues that affect real Americans.
	These are places that, yes, you'll see the far left and the far right come together sort of in that circle fashion and we'll have those votes.
	But I'll tell you what stops us from coming together.
	And actually working together with for real meaningful legislative changes.
	It's politics is a business and this is something that I fully understand coming from the business world.
	It is literally built on creating hate between the two parties.
	Which fails the people.
	So they use it to make political ads.
	They use it for fundraising.
	They use it for consultants to make a ton of money.
	I, for one, as a Republican member of Congress, I am used in literally every single Democrat's ads for fundraising.
	I'm used in their emails.
	I'm used on television.
	I'm used on their social media ads.
	They raise a ton of money on me.
	So could someone like Cori Bush or Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib join me in legislation?
	They won't.
	And you won't see that happen because then they couldn't raise the money they're raising off of me.
	Uh-huh.
	I can think of another reason Ilhan Omar might not vote the same way as Marjorie Taylor Greene and that's because back in January Marjorie tried to have Ilhan Omar censured and called for her to be deported.
	Yeah, that was wild.
	Hearing her say that was fucking wild.
	She also insisted a while back that because Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib were sworn in using a Quran instead of a Bible that they weren't official Congress people and that they were instead supporting Sharia law.
	And just in general I've had a look at the bills that Marjorie has co-sponsored as well as seeing her voting record and I genuinely could not find a piece of legislation Marjorie supported that would match up with progressive views.
	So like, this idea of, oh well, they can't vote with me because they need to hate me to raise money, it's obviously false on its face.
	And also, Shirley began running in 2019 when AOC, Ilhan Omar, etc.
	were already in office.
	So like, what does she think they did for money before Marjorie arrived?
	You know?
	Like, oh, they need me for all their ads.
	Well, I'm sure it was just whoever to hate before.
	But like, she specifically targets those women in her campaign ads.
	Yup.
	Specifically targets those women.
	Who's making money off of them, gal?
	Let's work this out.
	What's funny is like what a real interview would be, like a real interviewer, not Russell.
	When he asked the sisterhood question like, aren't there points that you can get along?
	End it there.
	Yeah.
	And let her answer.
	It's wild.
	Like, these are people that Russell doesn't know as well, and I think that Russell is very insecure, kind of, like, going into all this territory where he's like, I fundamentally disagree with some of these, like, points that are, like, he's disagreeing because it looks fucking bad.
	Like this is not what people are okay with.
	And he's trying to push back.
	And it's a very like kind of insecure area for him to be, very squishy area for him to be in
	that he's trying to find his footing.
	So the control he has to exert with the bramble, with like over explaining,
	like it's what he does to his, you know, his locals chat whenever he's talking to them is like,
	you need to be very specific in yes or no.
	You can't like not something for you to expand on.
	It's also I think he's learned that he does, he can't impede on their talking points.
	So he's like, I'm going to give you like, he should have just stopped there and asked a real question that needed a real answer.
	Like, can't y'all get along?
	Cause you have this, this like common understanding from like, from how you are treated by the world because of, because of conditions through no fault of your own, because you were born a woman.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you would think.
	He could just ask that and said he stopped.
	Or he didn't stop, he just kept talking.
	Any solidarity, any anything, you know, is there any way to kind of bridge any of that gap?
	Yeah, it would have made a much more interesting answer, that's for sure.
	No shit.
	Yeah, all that jabbering is control.
	That's a control mechanism that he's doing.
	And I've seen the take that Marjorie Taylor Greene, you know, because she does vocally attack female Democrats.
	All the time.
	And that's her go-to.
	And I've seen it kind of said that she's the attack dog for all of these people because she's a woman and it won't come off as sexist, you know, for the Republicans.
	Yeah, because she's a token.
	She's a token lady.
	Yep.
	Who carpet bagged her way into office.
	Yep.
	And she, yeah, she's, and she'll get like, the thing is, is they're already trying to throw her away.
	That's like the friction.
	And she's like, I got picked.
	I'm gonna pick me.
	You picked me.
	Let me do my thing.
	And they're like, no, that's not really how it works.
	You are a, you're a figurehead.
	We, we strap you to the front of the ship.
	Thank you.
	No, you're the, You're going out of the boat first.
	Then we crash you into things and that's how that goes repeatedly.
	Yeah.
	Oh dear.
	Almost like the patriarchy does not like women that much.
	Interesting.
	Next we get Russell and Marjorie's feelings on being attacked I see, because you are valuable as a kind of emblem of the aspects of republicanism and conservatism that they vocally detest.
	I'm a commodity that they've trained people to hate.
	Bingo!
	And by training people to hate me, they're able to raise money from people.
	Does that hurt you ever on a personal level to be the subject of that type of ire and criticism?
	I say this in some solidarity as a person that has been the recipient of much condemnation, criticism, hatred and attack at various points over the life of being just a public figure or a celebrity.
	I actually don't like it very much.
	I don't like it either.
	I think you and I have a full understanding of that.
	We know that there's certain cities we can't walk down the sidewalk.
	We can't walk in restaurants and just sit down.
	We perhaps can't go enjoy a show or go anywhere with our family.
	And our families suffer the worst based on the hate that people send us or basically cast on us publicly.
	So yeah, no, it definitely hurts.
	And it's wrong.
	What happened?
	laughs Yeah, freedom of speech
	does not mean freedom from consequences.
	So if you go around loudly and publicly saying the worst things you can think of
	in as public and self-aggrandizing way as possible, the consequences of that are you're probably gonna piss
	some people off and I'm afraid you have to live with that.
	Like, you say it hurts and I say, "Good."
	I've no doubt it pales in comparison to the actual harm that these two have both caused to society at large, and in Russell's case, on a far more visceral and interpersonal level.
	You should suffer, you bastards!
	Oh, it sounds like she's a hot mess in her personal life, too.
	Yeah, that's true.
	She's as much of a gremlin.
	Like, they're both personal gremlins.
	Well, I more meant the allegations specifically.
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Like, yeah, I'm sure she's a terror in her real life, too.
	Like, that's the thing is it scales up.
	You're probably fucking horrible.
	Like, if you have the ability to be this blind and this manipulative, clearly, Clearly.
	And also there's, I mean, there's also, there's reports, there's lawsuits, blah, blah, blah.
	Like she's, yeah, she's, she's also a terror.
	She certainly hasn't had the platform to use people in that way.
	But like, I don't think that, I don't think that we need to compete.
	I think they're all like, they're probably fucking horrible in their daily lives too.
	Yeah, it seems.
	Because we know they both are.
	Yeah.
	Also, they both have security teams, so don't go around telling me you can't walk down the street anywhere.
	You're surrounded by bodyguards.
	You're fine.
	Well, they don't understand the difference between danger and slight discomfort.
	Yeah, people calling them dicks.
	They do not differentiate between the two.
	Fragile little snowflakes that they are.
	Yeah, right?
	Next, Russell asks kind of a pivotal question down this line of thinking.
	Do you think that you've ever said anything that warrants that?
	Like, have you ever said anything I shouldn't have said that, actually?
	That was a bit too intense.
	Yeah, of course.
	I mean, I'm not... I am not innocent of throwing out... Because look at how you are now.
	You've been all really calm and quiet.
	But I've seen you on the TV when you're in that... I like it!
	Well, you know, I'll take, for example, the committee hearing on oversight.
	You talked about AOC and Jasmine Crockett and...
	Dan Goldman, we're all like just charging at each other.
	No one saw the 45 minutes leading up to that.
	People only saw those clips like within just those couple of minutes where we're saying just outright nasty things to each other.
	But no one saw what led to that tipping point.
	And that's usually the tough part, right?
	Is understanding why are they yelling at each other?
	What happened?
	Why did MTG just break and say things like this to people?
	It's usually because I'm pushed and pushed and I'm listening to them call Donald Trump
	our orange messiah, or I'm listening to them personally attack me,
	or they're holding up my tweets or social media posts on X, and they're reframing my words and lying about what I said.
	And I'm having to sit there and take it and take it and take it.
	And yes, in those moments, I have lost my patience and just charged the hill and said things maybe in a way I shouldn't have.
	But, you know, I'm human.
	I'm not without mistakes.
	I'd say that again.
	Except it doesn't ever feel like a mistake.
	It feels very intentional when it happens.
	And this lady basically also never apologizes for any of the hateful bile that comes out of her mouth, as one would do if they made a mistake.
	Regardless, it does sound a little bit like Marjorie could use some anger management and some therapy, huh?
	That's not sounding great.
	Just like, oh yeah, well, when I fly off the handle, it's fine because, you know, I got angry.
	So I said angry things.
	Okay, cool.
	Nice.
	Okay.
	Well, you know what?
	That's a very common problem.
	And yeah, it's also a very common excuse.
	She could just stop getting rewarded for her behavior.
	Because she's ignoring the reward part completely.
	People that do that in their lives actually suffer consequences.
	Potentially.
	Hopefully.
	She doesn't have consequences that actually affect her life.
	She's only gained.
	She's never lost from doing all that shit.
	Or else she'd stop.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	Going back to the freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences thing, it is difficult when these people don't face fucking consequences.
	The only consequence they have is occasionally being harassed on the street because they're arseholes.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Also, on that subject, if you don't want people to hold up the things that you say to your face on a big fucking sign and print out your tweets, don't say them!
	Very easy, simple solution.
	But as you say, the reward keeps happening, so just gotta keep fucking doing it.
	Yeah, none of that matters like hypocrisy is out.
	No, yeah, she just gets to keep going like and she's not going to stop if she keeps getting this reward.
	And those like it's not going to matter to her.
	And I mean, you know, like it's the thing is, is it's entirely reasonable.
	In a vacuum, to say you're taking me out of context, and that's not fair.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But if all of your other behavior does not line up to that, but you know what?
	If she's not sorry, I don't want her to say she's sorry.
	I don't want her to actually want to apologize.
	If you feel bad for a thing that you said or did, and then I'm sorry is one step in a system where you change your behavior, cool.
	I don't need to hear sorry out of her mouth.
	Ever.
	In fact, I'd rather her just fucking double down and admit it, because that's how she acts.
	That's how she's acting.
	She doesn't think that she's wrong, so she shouldn't apologize, because that just whitewashes your fucking behavior and buys you more time to keep doing shitty things.
	I don't need an apology.
	It doesn't matter to me from her.
	I know she's lying, because how she acts That's who she is!
	That's the thing!
	Be who you are!
	Yeah, yeah, but yeah, there's something to be said for that.
	I also think it's very difficult to take a tweet out of context, really.
	You know, it's a tweet.
	It's a very small piece of text, you know?
	It's not like... By very nature, it is out of context.
	Yeah.
	Oh, dear.
	Well, I thought you were saying that they were clipping what she was saying and then taking her quotes and then taking them out of context, so I don't know if that's necessarily... Like, that's what I thought she was talking about, but like...
	Yeah, just a tweet?
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	That's even less of an argument.
	That's just the thing you said, I'm afraid.
	Russell asks a question about righteous hatred, without understanding the irony of his question, before Marjorie pivots in a slightly weird direction.
	Sometimes I feel that people enjoy the hatred, but that they relish it almost demonically.
	It will be impossible to envisage them stopping their ire and condemnation because nothing people enjoy more than a kind of righteous hate.
	People, I think, are largely unconscious of what they are doing, unconscious of what they are expressing.
	And they're continually looking for legitimate means to express their psychic injuries and wounds.
	And I think it's sort of perhaps even this is a condition that they've made for themselves because of the progressive language around feminism and femininity and how sort of plastic that conversation has become.
	I mean, mutable rather.
	It seems like I've sensed a genuine misogyny in the way that you've been spoken to and spoken about that I think they would be reluctant to acknowledge.
	I absolutely.
	You know what's interesting?
	There's misogyny, not just coming from the media, perhaps, or the Democrats.
	It's in our Republican Party, too.
	Is there misogyny?
	No shit.
	Of course there is.
	Groundbreaking.
	A lot of these guys, they want to control the power and they really probably don't want women up there telling them what to do or taking charge or being in the lead.
	I don't see my leadership style perhaps that way, having run a company for so many years.
	Oh, you're an exception.
	It's a construction company, huh?
	Yes, exactly.
	You're dealing with site managers and surveyors and architects, but also people doing the joinery and electrics.
	There's managing processes and styles.
	And I think for me, the right way to go is just to find the best people to hire.
	And then you trust them to do their jobs.
	And you don't want to micromanage people.
	Don't get involved in micromanagement.
	No, micromanagement is the worst thing.
	It is boring and it's wrong.
	If you're a leader, you're wasting your time micromanaging everyone.
	Let everyone get on with their job.
	Let them do their job.
	Trust them to do it.
	Make sure, but oversee it.
	That's part of supervising a job site.
	You oversee it.
	Make sure it's done well, and then you have a solid team.
	Okay, so the patriarchy and the misogyny in the Republican Party should be fine with her because she doesn't micromanage?
	Is that the point she's trying to make?
	I will say, she's definitely hands-off.
	There was an Atlanta Journal-Constitution investigation into Marjorie's business background back in 2021.
	This is what I heard.
	This is what was pinging in my brain, yeah.
	So I'll read from it directly.
	Quote, From 2007 until 2011, Green was listed as CFO of the family construction company Taylor Commercial Incorporated in corporate registration records filed with Georgia Secretary of State.
	Yet for several years during the time she was presumably helping her husband run their construction company, she spent her days at a gym pursuing her passion for CrossFit training and traveling to participate in national competitions.
	In 2015, she acknowledged in an internet radio interview that when she opened a gym of her own in 2013, she and her business partner knew next to nothing about running a business.
	And while Greene has railed- But you were raised in it!
	Yeah, but she knew next to nothing apparently.
	And while Green has railed against big government, the AJC found that the family's North Fulton construction business profited for years from work on taxpayer-subsidized low-income housing.
	There it is!
	She's a government contract bitch, just like Elon Musk.
	Tight, cool, sick.
	Uh, Green's congressional web bio is headlined, Conservative Businesswoman.
	It says she grew up working in her family's construction company and has a lifetime of business experience.
	The bio says she and her husband purchased Taylor Commercial in 2002 when the company's managed construction projects totaling to a quarter of a billion dollars.
	Her attorney wrote a letter to her opponent's counsel last July outlining Green's position in the company.
	The letter said she's owned a 51% stake since buying the company from her father and that she has been an active participant in its operation and management.
	I've spent the last two decades running my business alongside my husband, she says.
	since 2002, the letter said.
	I've spent the last two decades running my business alongside my husband, she says.
	Taylor Commercial's website does not support this depiction of her role.
	The site has been offline for scheduled maintenance.
	At this point, by the way, it's still offline, so this is three years that the website is still offline.
	But Marjorie Green has no significant presence on the company's webpages collected over the past 20 years by the internet archive site Wayback Machine.
	She is not listed with other executives on the company's leadership pages.
	Green is not featured in the archived pages where her father and husband are the central actors in the company's story.
	Her father, Robert Taylor, started teleconstruction in 1969 and it became a leading vinyl siding contractor for multi-family housing, commercial businesses, and single-family homes in Georgia, according to the pages.
	Green's husband entered the business in 1997, the year after he and Marjorie graduated from the University of Georgia with business degrees.
	The couple had married in 1995 while still in college.
	Yeah, knows nothing about business.
	Perry initially served, that's the husband Perry, initially served as general manager at Taylor Construction and helped position the company for sale in 1999 according to his company bio.
	After the company was sold, Robert Taylor carried forward, that's the dad, in the multi-family siding business with an offshoot company, Taylor Commercial.
	Taylor was CEO, his son-in-law the company's president.
	Perry Green acquired full ownership of the company in 2006 and the business grew exponentially after that, his bio says.
	It says he has a wife and three children, but doesn't mention Marjorie by name or say she's been involved in the company.
	State records over the past two decades are consistent with the company's archived webpages.
	Marjorie Greene appears sparingly.
	She is listed as the Chief Financial Officer from the middle of 2007 to 2010, and then in 2011, the company reports that she no longer served in that position.
	After that, if Marjorie Taylor Greene was involved in day-to-day operations of the company, she apparently had a low profile.
	She does not appear in the company's corporate filings again for nearly a decade."
	So, I would say her management style is pretty hands-off because she doesn't seem to actually do any of it.
	And so, there you go.
	Done.
	So then she was correct when she said that she had no idea how to run a business.
	That was accurate.
	Okay, okay, all right.
	Well, that's something.
	So I do want, from the clip, the other thing that was like, because there's always a lot, you know, they throw out a lot of shit.
	Yeah.
	And talking about like an unconscious kind of attack.
	Russell was talking about it, and she was agreeing.
	It's so condescending, and it's such a cop-out.
	That is very dangerous.
	Like, oh, if you disagree with me, or oh, if you feel emphatically, passionately angry about something I said or did, that's your, like, it's an unconscious reaction.
	No, it's very conscious.
	Yeah.
	Like, that's another way to just, like, Disregard someone's, like, legitimate concerns.
	That's really fucked up and shitty.
	Yeah.
	Like, now, an unconscious bias, patriarchy, sure, like, yeah, that's, we need to talk about these kind of, like, systemic problems.
	That's not what that is.
	Like, it's, that's a...
	No, that's dismissing people's legitimate grievances as like, oh, you've just, you've had trauma, you've had this other thing happen, you know, you've, and it's like, no, no, no, no.
	Finding any other reason than the one they're saying to you.
	Yes.
	Finding any other reason to disregard them except for the one that they are saying, like, listen to, like, that can be a conversation, like, human, person to person, that can be a conversation, but you have to listen to what they're saying first.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And then whatever other talk you need to have, go ahead.
	But making that assumption that what they're saying isn't what they mean is extremely condescending and fucked up thing to do.
	Well, it's just, well, the problem can't be me.
	It must be that they've got something wrong.
	I'm not the problem.
	No, you are the fucking problem.
	That's what I'm trying to tell you.
	No, but you're just, you're in some kind of psychic pain, aren't you?
	Really, that's what's happening there.
	Jesus Christ.
	Any other reason except for accountability.
	Yeah, that feels consistent.
	Ha!
	Yeah.
	Okay, so now for the second time, the working class hero here has to leave.
	Am I being told that you're supposed to leave here?
	Does that tally with your personal experience of reality and your own understanding of your schedule?
	Or are you a person who doesn't know your schedule?
	Well, actually, no.
	These people that I pay, they pretty much control my schedule most of the time.
	Paid with 95% small donations?
	That's right.
	Not from big evil corporations?
	No!
	Not from satanic, luciferian, pharmaceutical corporations?
	Absolutely.
	You've got to watch out for those guys.
	I mean, one of her big donors was SpaceX, and Elon Musk does seem pretty sinister to me, but hey, it's all perspective I guess.
	Broadly- And that's government contract money.
	That's government contract money.
	That's our money.
	That's our money!
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	That's our money!
	Yeah, and a bunch of her other donations are from construction-adjacent companies, and you gotta wonder how much of your money is going to them as well.
	Yeah, and you gotta wonder how much of the work is being done by migrant laborers that they're picking up from fucking Home Depot every day.
	Yeah, because that's all I see when I'm looking at this person.
	It's like, you would not have a business without government subsidies and migrant labor.
	That you exploit.
	And without having inherited it.
	God, I would love to see a world in which she had to get an actual fucking job.
	I mean, the thing is, is like, fine, pass your, like, that's my smallest possible complaint.
	Like, pass your business on to your kid.
	Fucking fine.
	The kid acting like she earned it, and I don't hear that that much from her.
	She's more grateful, at least when she's doing the lip service thing.
	She's grateful that it's in her family, but also she's saying that she grew up in it, but then also saying she doesn't know anything about business.
	I kind of think it's the other one, because I grew up in the back of a store that my mom owned and operated.
	It is unavoidable for me.
	It is within the marrow of my bones to like, to sales tickets and playing with a cash register in a garage, like the old cash register when I was six.
	Yeah, that's like...
	The small business that I grew up around, yeah, I kind of know a lot about it.
	Yeah, me too.
	My mom ran secondhand clothes shop.
	So, so yeah.
	I mean, that's like, yeah, that's really fundamentally kind of like, yeah, that's when actual people that work are around it, not like touring around doing like CrossFit competitions or whatever the fuck she's probably doing before.
	That's what like, that's what construction company dads do.
	Like that's, they let their, you know, and pursue your passions.
	That's the thing is like, Again, in a vacuum, if you want a family business, I do not see a problem if you're just going to be honest about it.
	I mean, that would be chaos if every time a family business had to Actively avoid, like, bringing the person in that was with their, you know, like, that did legitimately grow up in a company, right?
	Like, if that was a legit thing, like, there's plenty of people that, like, you grew up in this business and you should be able to keep doing it.
	Sure, sure.
	Yeah, there are certainly more legitimate, shall we say, you know, kind of family businesses than what she's presenting herself as, let's put it that way.
	I mean, and it's not necessarily good or bad.
	It just is.
	It just is.
	But using that to make some kind of working class bona fides.
	Get the fuck out of here.
	That's stupid.
	Yeah, right.
	It's incredible.
	And also, yeah, she doesn't know her own schedule because she has staff for that.
	Real salt of the earth.
	Well, that's also politics.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Congressional stuff.
	I don't have any issue with that.
	So before she goes, Marjorie wants to educate Russell on the American political system.
	So buckle in.
	It's difficult, isn't it?
	Because it's insidious claws are throughout the political world.
	They're claws in the political world like you would not believe, Russell.
	I mean, it is disgusting.
	I would love to explain to you the hierarchy and how it works.
	When I was talking about politics as a business, It is fascinating, absolutely fascinating, because you have the political world that exists of political consultants and they're power players because they pick a candidate and if they can raise enough money and get their candidate across the line, well, then they're a power player in their own right.
	They establish, set someone up like a mini kingdom, right?
	And then they play across that levels.
	But those same political consultants also have their connections in the media.
	And so certain consultants will prop up only their candidates.
	That's why you see Certain people on Fox News, and you don't see certain people on Fox News.
	And then you have the media.
	You have the left-wing media, the right-wing media, and how they're making their play as political activists in that realm.
	And they control the information to the people.
	And so they control the stories, and they control the people who are their guests.
	They control the entire narrative.
	And then you have the actual government positions.
	And the government positions, and get this, Is where it meets and sort of melds in with the politics.
	And this is where it gets really interesting.
	This is where you have the political consultants, and then you have the lobbyists world.
	The lobbyists world, they're basically like salespeople that represent their industries.
	If it's big pharma, military industrial complex.
	Whatever it may be, all the way down to necessary lobbyists, like, they're just representing, you know, car dealerships that are trying to exist and get, you know, be put... I feel a bit sorry for them ones.
	Oh, they're... We're just trying to make an honest dollar for car dealerships, ma'am.
	Could you hear us?
	Shut the fuck up!
	We're from Pfizer!
	We'll fucking destroy you!
	They're getting no chance in the lobbying game, are they?
	No, they aren't.
	As a matter of fact, they're marginalised.
	They're marginalised lobbyists.
	Who thinks about the marginalised lobbyists?
	I've never even conceptualised that before, because I thought lobbyists Evil Realm of Satan.
	But there are like sweet little lobbyists trying their hardest.
	Pardon me while I play the world's tiniest violin.
	Good lord.
	Yeah, and we'll get to Marjorie's feelings on these tiny lobbyists in a minute.
	Has something to do with climate change, let's put it that way.
	My favourite thing about these people, Marjorie Taylor Greene, etc, explaining government and politics is they always seem so amazed by how it works.
	They're like, woah, there's lobbyists and woah, there's political consultants!
	And the rest of us are like...
	Yeah, they've been there the whole time.
	We've known this for a while.
	We've had problems with this literally the whole time.
	Yeah, cool.
	Yeah, Rudy Giuliani was completely unaware of the deep state till he was 70 years old.
	Right.
	Fucking absurd.
	Also, like, complaining about running the government like a business is out-fucking-rageous to hear from a fan of Trump and a Republican Party member.
	Yeah.
	That is THE selling point.
	Oh, I'm a businessman.
	I make the best deals.
	I'm a dealmaker.
	I'm a business guy.
	I'm so good at business.
	Good at business and wanting to run the government like a business, which it fucking shouldn't be.
	No.
	Point blank, period.
	No.
	It's not and shouldn't be.
	No.
	But that's their selling point.
	So are you complaining or not?
	And Stopping lobbying.
	Like, then, okay, so she's making these complaints.
	So then she should be emphatic about stoppying.
	Stopping lobbying.
	Stop, like, that is government regulation.
	Oh, but she's a small girl.
	She's against regulation.
	Her role is to shrink and impede government processes, as she said it.
	So then, like, the lack of regulation and the lack of enforcement is what allows the lobbying you're complaining about.
	Yeah, I guess her hands are tied, you know?
	She's against big government, she can't regulate it.
	They fucking super duper aren't!
	She's in the government where they make these changes.
	Yep, yes indeed she is.
	Her problem doesn't seem to be lobbyists as a whole, but the lobbyists that she likes not getting a fair shake.
	That's what I'm saying.
	They don't actually want to fight for those rules because they don't want them to apply to their lobbies.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, and speaking of all that, in terms of climate change, Marjorie has some feelings on the Green New Deal.
	Yeah, they're there saying the Green New Deal is killing our people's ability to sell cars.
	It definitely is, isn't it?
	Well, you think that the solar panels is no good, the lithium batteries are no good, it's destroying the landscape.
	You think it's a hustle.
	You don't think it is built on a love and respect for God's creation, the Holy Divine Earth that we should revere and love, not as a resource, but because It is our duty to serve and love this earth.
	I agree 100%.
	You think the Green New Deal is a hustle?
	I think the Green New Deal is the biggest bunch of bullshit I've ever read in my life.
	It's 14 pages.
	I encourage everyone to read it.
	You'll vomit.
	It's bullshit.
	14 pages, I could probably handle that.
	Yeah, it's literally cow shit and the Democrats want to eradicate it because they hate cows.
	Bullshit, Marjorie!
	Yeah, it's bullshit.
	They hate cows.
	Yeah I'm not gonna lie at this point it does feel a little bit like fish in a barrel.
	I didn't need to look very hard for Marjorie's views on climate.
	She said in 2021 that maybe perhaps we live on a ball that rotates around the sun that flies through the universe and maybe our climate just changes.
	In an August 2022 interview she said, People die in the cold.
	This earth warming and carbon is actually healthy for us.
	It helps us to feed people.
	It keeps people alive.
	We need to hold Democrats accountable and defund all of their climate garbage.
	Oh good!
	No one's ever died from heat!
	What a relief!
	April 15th, 2023, she tweeted that climate change was a scam and that fossil fuels are natural and amazing, saying that there are some very powerful people that are getting rich beyond their wildest dreams, convincing many that carbon is the enemy.
	Her tweet included a chart that omitted carbon dioxide and methane, the two most dominant greenhouse gas emissions.
	I mean, it's easy to present it as evidence if you cut all the evidence out.
	And sure, people are making money on renewables.
	You know, alt-right favorite Elon Musk is one of them that's making dollar off of this.
	No shit.
	How curious, he never seems to be a target.
	But also, you know, what about all the people making money from fossil fuels?
	What about those, Marjorie?
	Or are those the tiny lobbyists that are actually okay?
	Oh, dear.
	I mean, it's stupid, dude.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's difficult to have a reality based conversation with someone who doesn't believe in evolution.
	I don't think any of this is genuinely.
	But the argument that is also made in church, right, and in a lot of fundamentalist religions, like fundamentalist Christianity, I think for the most part their stance is that you have dominion over the earth, which means you get to use it up because the rapture is going to come take you anyway.
	It's all part of Armageddon theology.
	It's like, you use the earth up because God gave it to you.
	Which is literally, which I found out from a really interesting family conversation with a person who's a chaplain, explained that dominion in the Bible, dominion is from the Latin root dominus, which is like a caring for.
	So even in the book itself, They're bastardizing the meaning of, like, dominion over the earth means that you are a caretaker, you're a steward.
	Yeah, steward.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	In a way that indigenous people feel connected.
	And also all people for a very long, most of human history felt connected to the land.
	Yeah.
	And to care for it, not to just use it up and make it disgusting and throw it away.
	That's rich.
	Yeah.
	Fucking rich.
	Just a little bit.
	All right, we've got one final clip of Marjorie here.
	All right, last bit.
	Yes, ma'am.
	Okay, the way the political consultants meets the government, right?
	We're talking about lobbyists.
	This is how certain candidates get funded.
	So the lobbyists and the different power players in Washington can all come together and they're saying, the government funding for the military is coming up.
	It's a really important bill.
	We're all going to get together and make sure that our contracts are given to our different companies and we have to get it across the line by supporting these members of Congress and these senators.
	So then they arrange fundraisers.
	It's amazing how hundreds of thousands of dollars can get raised in literally an hour over cocktails and little hot dogs wrapped in crescent rolls.
	On a toothpick.
	That's a pretty incredible detail.
	Why have you not been seduced into it?
	Because I don't, I won't buy in.
	I'm not controlled.
	Why not?
	Why are you not seduced by it?
	Why do you not find it appealing?
	The money, the glamour, the power.
	Why have you not been seduced by it?
	Are you not seduced by it?
	I'm not seduced by it because I ran for Congress because I hate all of it.
	Yeah, I hate it.
	I absolutely hate it.
	I hate the fact that people I know were sent off to fight in the Iraq War and they came back totally different and maybe some of them actually that I do know didn't come back.
	And I hate the fact that my construction company and our industry has truly suffered based on the total fucking
	idiots in Washington that made decisions that hurt our economy, put us in a
	recession, nearly put us out of business, and put some of my friends out of business.
	I hate Washington, D.C. I think it's filled with some of the biggest morons that couldn't get a real job if they
	tried as hard as possible, but yet somehow they're making policy decisions that screw
	all of us.
	Yeah.
	So I don't care about their stupid little weenies on a stick.
	Or the money that they want to donate.
	I like you.
	Thanks Marjorie.
	Shall I come on your thing?
	Yeah.
	Do your thing.
	Love it.
	Okay.
	Thanks for coming.
	Thank you.
	See you later.
	I'm glad that you won't be here watching me lobbying for positive.
	I'm getting into my own little lobbying deal right now.
	Thank you very much for coming on.
	I'll see you again, will I?
	You look brilliant today.
	Take care, mate.
	Jesus.
	Be more openly desperate, Russell.
	Fucking hell.
	Anyway, Washington is full of... He was being polite.
	They were saying goodbye.
	Like, I don't know why we're... Washington is full of the dumbest people in the country, which, hey!
	Explains how Marjorie got elected.
	Sorry, that one was too easy.
	So yeah, just...
	Parade of... I mean, like, again... She said that she got into government to regulate, to stop government.
	That's what she said earlier.
	So now she got in government to stop problems?
	How?
	How are you going to make smaller government?
	Because you need regulation to fix the problems you're bitching about.
	Maybe you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground.
	Yes.
	That's about right.
	And, you know, I would possibly listen to her more, you know, about big government and all that being a problem, if she'd ever had, you know, an actual real, quote-unquote, job, or if her company didn't make so much of their money through government subsidies, you know?
	I'd be like, yeah, maybe then you've got a leg to stand on, but again, I expect a little bit of putting your money where your mouth is, and we don't seem to be getting that.
	That's the welfare queen.
	Elon Musk is the welfare queen.
	That's the welfare queen.
	Fucking Walmart is the welfare queen.
	That's the reality.
	And they can make it seem like it's not.
	I mean, that's just, it's fucking outrageous.
	Jeffrey Bezos is the fucking welfare queen.
	Now we're going to finish with an ad read, right, where Russell tries to eat, well he's about to try and get his staff to eat dog treats, and we get a brief cameo from a name you might recognise, Luke Radowski of We Are Change.
	Marjorie, we didn't have time to talk about dogs, did we?
	Because you're a dog lover.
	Right, you love dogs.
	You'd be the perfect client for Positive.
	You want to see some lobbying?
	I'll lobby.
	Hey, so this is Positive.
	It's like...
	I mean, I wouldn't eat it myself, but I tell you what, I tell you who would is my dog, Bear, because it's not like, sometimes I feed Bear a bull's pizzle.
	There's no nice way of saying this.
	It's a bull's cock.
	How can that be good for him?
	So Rumble, Positive Health, they've like got this company here founded by people who are not only fighting for free speech, but love their animals enough to make healthy, clean ingredients, great tasting superfood supplement waffles and pet products that are human grade.
	A human could eat this.
	Is there anyone that wants to?
	Are any of you willing to?
	Isaac?
	Dylan?
	Will you eat it?
	Luke?
	Come over here, will ya?
	Now look, you're endorsing this as well, aren't you, on your show?
	I've got a German Shepherd.
	There's your microphone.
	I love my dog.
	some of that stuff. So yeah, I can't I can't partake in all that. I'm honest. You don't
	want to eat it because like remember when you're a kid, did you ever eat dogs chocolate?
	No, I have no idea. And I regret it still. This though, this is nutritious. You got a
	dog. I love the dog. You got a German Shepherd. I love my dog. I've got German Shepherd. How's
	your dog's back legs? Great. We do a lot of walking. We do a lot of exercise.
	She's about three, so she's still very young, but I'm making sure she's getting the supplements and extra beef liver, which this has, and it has heart, and it has all the beef organs, which are pretty good for you.
	And probably a lot better than the American processed food diet, which is filled with a lot of poisons and crap.
	I've got two things to say, Luke.
	You did a very good advert there.
	I also think you should get checked for autism.
	I'm confirmed.
	I don't need to get checked.
	I'm confirmed.
	I'm confirmed.
	100%.
	100% on it.
	Yeah, yeah, you don't need an investigation.
	It's pretty clear.
	That's so fucking insulting.
	Doing your job is fucking autistic.
	I mean, it just happens that if he keeps calling everyone autistic, he was bound to get one right eventually, and apparently Luke Rodowski is diagnosed.
	Great.
	Okay.
	Fuck me.
	What an asshole.
	Luke Rudowsky, however, you know, he's InfoWars guest occasionally, right?
	And his group We Are Change are a little bit worrying, because that's also his show on Rumble, is We Are Change.
	So the SPLC had this to say about them, quote, We Are Change, WAC, is an organization that likes to quote Martin Luther King Jr., Einstein, Gandhi, and others talking about the evils of war.
	It describes itself as a non-violent citizens-based grassroots peace and social justice movement and reacted angrily this year when the Southern Poverty Law Center categorized it as part of the conspiracy-obsessed anti-government patriot movement.
	WAC's leader, Luke Radowski, complained at the time That the SPLC said nothing of WAC's alleged raising money for 9-11 first responders, toy drives during the holidays, clothing drives, and feeding the homeless.
	But Bruno Ernst Breweiler, WAC's Los Angeles leader, puts the group, the largest patriot organization in the country with 102 chapters in 33 states, in a considerably more radical light.
	This May, Breweiler was charged with three counts of making threats and one of willful disobedience of a court order.
	Court documents suggest that the alleged threats were made against a law enforcement or court official, but do not further spill out the charges.
	More to the point, perhaps, Brewisler turns out to be deeply enmeshed in the so-called sovereign citizens movement.
	Right-wing radicals who believe that the government has no authority to impose laws and regulations on most Americans.
	Must have really bit him in the ass getting arrested, huh?
	WAC's original obsession was with 9-11 conspiracy theories, still the group's bread and butter, that originated both on the political right and the political left.
	WAC says it rejects the fear-based politics and state-mandated propaganda being disseminated by the corporate media which has facilitated the cover-up of 9-11.
	But over time, WAC has taken up several additional conspiracies specific to the radical right.
	Today, the group's website frets about a looming One World Order and says it seeks to uncover the truth behind the private banking cartel of the military-industrial complex that wants to eliminate national sovereignty.
	Rudowsky now seems particularly worried about the alleged role in the supposedly imminent New World Order of organizations such as the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission.
	These institutions have been targeted for decades as major global evildoers by patriot groups and other far-right organizations, including several that are racist and virulently anti-Semitic."
	Unquote.
	So, not great, these people.
	That's my feelings on Luke Rudowsky here.
	The dog food that they're hawking, by the way, Positive, is basically supplements and nutraceuticals for dogs.
	Like, there's a list, if you go on the website, of spurious medical claims alongside the ingredients in the treats, such as anti-inflammatory benefits, cardiovascular wellness, etc.
	And they also sell emergency medical kits for dogs.
	That include antihistamines, gastric ulcer medication, charcoal gel, and something that apparently has mild sedative properties to calm dogs.
	Sedate your dogs, everyone, apparently.
	And of course there are- Yeah, that sounds fine.
	That's like every 4th of July when it's fireworks appreciation week.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Everybody has to do that.
	Of course, these are another Rumble exclusive business as well, much like the 1775 Coffee.
	It's one of those franchise little things.
	Dear, oh dear.
	Yeah, they're dropshippers.
	Yeah, right, right.
	That's dropshipping.
	Right.
	I don't have literally like that.
	An animal emergency kit sounds totally fine.
	They eat crazy stuff.
	They get scared with loud noises like that sounds fine to me.
	I mean, I don't know about a markup.
	I don't know about the price.
	The packs of the treats were like, what, I think nearly 20 bucks, I think, for that little pack that Russell's holding there.
	So yeah, the markup's pretty extraordinary.
	I would always be hesitant in giving anything to my creatures that Without sanctioning of a vet, let's put it that way, but that's me.
	And, you know, there are exceptions to that, but still.
	Anyway, we've got one final clip of Luke Radowski here, joined by Benny Johnson, who is a whole other cuddle of terrible conservative YouTuber that I don't have time to get into right now, while Russell ends the show.
	You're telling us, Flo, we're still promoting Luke's show.
	What else are you going to talk about?
	Welcome, Benny.
	The parents just reached out and said that they were calling authorities hours before the incident, telling them that he was going to go after the President of the United States.
	So authorities failed once again, with the parents calling them frantically, saying, hey, we want to stop our son from committing these horrible hate actions.
	Read my social cues.
	Read the social cues, you mad autistic lunatic.
	Now, what time does your show start streaming?
	Right after yours, 1 p.m.
	Central Time here on Rumble.com forward slash WeAreChange.
	Check that out.
	Thank you, Russell, appreciate it.
	Thank you very much for joining us on Wildly Awakened.
	I hope you've enjoyed our conversation today with Marjorie Taylor Greene.
	I didn't.
	It was terrible.
	And he just really seems to not like neurodivergent people at large.
	For anyone listening who didn't pick up on it, Russell was telling Luke to read the social cues, which I assume was supposed to just be the look on his face.
	He certainly didn't say anything or do anything particularly, so that Russell could end the show and stop having to listen to the mad autistic lunatic, as he put it.
	Dear oh dear.
	Just insufferable.
	That's also not- that's okay.
	That's the thing.
	Having all of this kind of like yeah there's content because people like neurodivergent people which genuinely I feel like society has been built in a way to alienate more than ever so they're like I think that there is something to be said and I think should be said more that Neurodivergence has probably always been this way, and it's as common as it's ever been, to some degree.
	And there were just more places in society where specific types of brains had utility.
	And when things are in physical forms, when you digitize everything, and your brain wants to recognize stuff in front of you physically, Then it's that much harder to organize your brain around like texting and remembering things that are on a little square on your phone and keeping those thoughts in track.
	It's a very specific kind of brain that can do that easily and well and quickly.
	And not every like digitization is fucking brand spanking new for human beings.
	We did not have that we talked, we wrote, we typed, whatever, okay?
	So, there is a lot more of a discussion around the spectrum of neurodivergence, but there are these, like, stereotypes that are completely, like, off-base and, like, basically, like, based on, like, studying, like, Boys in the 90s or 70s or whatever.
	Yeah.
	And reading social cues is not, no, that's like an actual cue.
	Like that's how shows work.
	They run on cues.
	It's not a social cue.
	It's just a cue.
	It's a literal cue.
	To move on to the next segment.
	And you just tell someone that.
	Yes!
	Use your words, Russell.
	Good lord.
	The reading social cues shit is, like, there is a lot of excuses being made for behavior that has nothing to do with neurodivergence that really genuinely pisses me the fuck off.
	People, like, excuse their behavior.
	And I'm not saying that, like, autistic people are excusing their behavior.
	I'm saying people like Russell are putting it on others.
	Yeah.
	It's the same concept as they're unconsciously biased, or they're just angry for another reason.
	Like, oh, you're not reacting to how I'm talking.
	I didn't say to Luke, all right, this segment is done.
	That's just, that's what you say.
	Yeah.
	And then he would do it.
	Okay, we've got to wrap up, you know?
	Yes.
	Good Lord.
	Luke came and did the thing you wanted him to do.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's just being a person, is letting them know that the segment is over.
	Yeah.
	But he can excuse his, like, Russell's excusing his own behavior.
	Of like, oh, I'm not a responsible host that knows what they're doing.
	I'm gonna blame someone who's autistic.
	Okay, what?
	No, that's just you being a turd.
	Yeah.
	That's like being bad at doing a show.
	After he has invited Luke to come and sit on the couch with him.
	Yeah.
	Which, you know, was presumably, you know, off the cuff, you know, and unbeknownst to the crew, etc.
	Yeah, I just, I just, what an asshole.
	Which I can tell you, when you're thrown into something that you're not prepared for, yeah, it gets very Wayne's World Garth moment.
	Yeah, because you're like, well, there's so many options for me to know what to do.
	And you're just, OK, I'll riff how you see fit.
	Or if there's nothing to riff about, boy, well, there are too many options.
	It's Mr. Burns diseases stuck in a door.
	It's just so ridiculous.
	Like, this is fucking ridiculous.
	This is all fucking ridiculous.
	I don't even know.
	Like, what?
	I mean... Okay.
	Yes, that's pretty fair.
	I don't know.
	I don't feel that sorry for Luke in general, but in that specific instance, like, you know, just, well, I guess I've been invited onto the show.
	I guess I'll sit here and start kind of doing my thing.
	Oh no, okay, I'm apparently being a problem now.
	Great, okay.
	You know, it's just shitty behavior all around.
	Tell someone when it's time to leave!
	Yeah!
	Russell, you're a dickhead.
	It's not anyone else's fault.
	Communicate.
	Seems about right.
	Oh boy.
	Anyway.
	That's the thing.
	There is a conversation that is happening among neurodivergent people on the internet that's saying like, maybe neurotypical people are just fucking rude turds that want you to read their mind.
	Maybe people are just assholes and expect everyone else to accommodate their assholery.
	It does feel like there is some merit to that argument, you know?
	It's like, why should I be expected to just read your mind?
	Because that feels insane to me, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, it does feel kind of nuts.
	Yeah, maybe just communicate clearly.
	Use words.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It really, it really helps.
	It really helps.
	Russell also doesn't listen to what people say.
	That's the thing.
	This is all connected.
	Like, Russell doesn't listen to what they say.
	He's busy finding excuses as to why you're not, like, agreeing with him, and then finding those reasons to then disregard everything you say.
	He's like, well, No, you have an unconscious bias.
	You're mad about something else and you're taking it out on me.
	You're having a stressful time.
	Or, oh, well, oh, anxiety is, I don't know.
	Any other reason than the thing that he said or did?
	Pretty much, pretty much.
	It's a fucked up thing to do.
	Don't treat people that way.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	It's not crazy.
	It's mean.
	Yeah, it's just very different.
	Being a dick, which is, well, I mean, it's part of the course, but still no less unpleasant to have to witness.
	I am a little bummed that like, I mean, I'm sure if it would have come up, then you would have included it.
	But like, for the water cooler talk, as far as Eric Trump, like being, I mean, it makes sense that we're, you know, we're doing Marjorie Taylor Greene episode.
	Yeah.
	But apparently the J.D.
	Vance debacle, which the memes are so fun.
	We don't need to be distracted by him necessarily from like the task at hand.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They're really funny.
	Very entertaining.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	But apparently like that was the choice that was like an Eric Dunn Jr.
	joint was J.D.
	Vance.
	Oh, okay.
	Which I think is, yeah, he wrote a book that got turned into a movie.
	He's the most famous one.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's been my rationale, it makes sense.
	I didn't think that was gonna happen, because he is a damp squib of a person.
	Yeah.
	It's really funny, so Cody Johnson, and they do some more news, even more news.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, I like that movie.
	He grew up in Ohio.
	I lived in Ohio briefly, And there are other creators that are actual hillbillies that are not trying to take J.D.
	Vance's heritage away from him.
	He is a genuine hillbilly.
	But guess what?
	We're everywhere.
	We're not that special.
	It's just a bunch of us.
	But... Cody's like, you were, you're an hour drive from King's Island.
	Don't tell me, like, you didn't have, like, a straw out of your mouth picking a banjo on, like, a one-room shack.
	You know, like the Porsche of a one-room shack.
	Sorry.
	That's not what happened.
	That's not your life.
	Don't they're wearing the costumes of real people.
	Yeah.
	And they're being very eager about it.
	Like they're, you know, men in black, like they're looking very not human.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Human suits they're wearing.
	Yeah.
	Awkward.
	I mean, that's that's a complaint I have for like politicians in general.
	But like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's what Marjorie was just doing.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	It is.
	It is bizarre.
	Yeah.
	The the actual the Eric Trump interview was was pretty dull.
	It was it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I assume.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, he was, um, he was mostly talking about how great, uh, how great Don Trump is, um, how great Daddy is, um, you know, like... Oh, even more useful.
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, like I said, Heidi's mentioned the JD Vance thing, so that would have been interesting, but if that didn't even happen...
	I think it's really funny that y'all are trying to get Dad to love you so hard and it's not gonna happen!
	Y'all do not have the emotional tools to treat each other with care and love and respect.
	You just don't.
	You could!
	Unless you are a mirror or a bag of money, he's not gonna love you.
	I'm sorry.
	That's just, that's just it.
	I don't think they love anything.
	I don't think there's, I don't think they have the capacity.
	Because it's been like, it's, it's been like systematically like squeezed out of them.
	Yeah, just juiced.
	Yeah, it's not there.
	Empty husks.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Because that's also what consumerist culture does.
	It's like bags of money don't actually love you back.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	A certain amount of money, yeah, that affords you security and gives you like freedom in your life.
	But after that, It's not going to make you feel any better for any amount of time.
	It's just crazy.
	And thank you for giving me like a place to bitch about this consumerism fucking, the globalism thing, because I know it's a dog whistle, right?
	I know it's a dog whistle, but at the same time, there is a real world impact and problem with ignoring the words that they're actually, that's what I'm saying.
	Like, I'm not trying to ignore the words they're actually saying, because both can be wrong.
	You can be dog whistling about Jewish people, you know, controlling the world, the globalist.
	But you're also bitching about the thing that is--
	that has provided every single item you own and use and buy and live in every day.
	It is so hypocritical to me. Like...
	There-- 'Cause that's-- And that's what I'm saying, is like, dealing with what they're actually saying first
	and then reading into it, like, yes, absolutely, there is also this kind of covert meaning,
	and it is what they mean, and a dog whistle is a dog whistle.
	-Yeah, yeah, yeah. -But we can hold them to--
	Like, if we're gonna hold them to one problem, like, one thing they're being shitty about,
	might as well throw it all in.
	And that's what I'm saying, is like, when you're--
	Like, I'm not trying to fucking come down on, like, literally the opposite.
	I'm not trying to come down on people at all.
	It does feel bad that we are participating in this system actively.
	Yeah, we've been forced into this position.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	I don't think it's depressing.
	I think it's empowering to know what we can do.
	Because even like the second clip, so they're from two different outfits.
	Right, that Marjorie Taylor Greene was wearing.
	And she had this really gorgeous embroidery on her second dress that she was wearing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And the first thing I thought was the incredibly intricate skilled labor that makes those kind of garments possible is wildly dangerous, exploitative, and just damaging to the place where it came from.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So no, I don't want to hear about how you don't want to, You got into government to not do your job, but then you also, all you're doing, like, all your complaints could be remedied with regulation and enforcement of the regulations that are already possible.
	No, you're the team that got rid of fucking Chevron deference.
	Get bent!
	Like, stop pissing on our legs and tell us it's raining.
	It's fucked up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And when I said depressing, by the way, I meant his hypocrisy is depressing rather than the issue.
	His hypocrisy and, well, their hypocrisy and how it doesn't fucking matter, that's depressing.
	It does if, like, we have options.
	Yeah.
	To, like, we can do something.
	Yeah.
	We can.
	Yeah.
	It's empowering to know where you can actually make change.
	Yeah.
	There's, there's two other, like, there's, there's other regulation that is, like, escaping me right now.
	And I have the Fashion Act.
	Like, these are things that, like, There's like, there are regulations that can be put in place, or even regulations that are already existing.
	I mean, I say that, but again, like Chevron reference, I don't know what could be done.
	Yeah.
	Now that Rubicon has been crossed.
	And people say that again, Rubicon gets thrown around.
	That's a real one.
	Just like Citizens United, as soon as that happened, we were like, there was a certain little section of the public That we're freaking the fuck out.
	Yeah, genies out of the bottle, you know?
	And the thing is, if you're just coming to this now, anyone that's complaining about and is legitimately worried about Project 2025, if you have never been engaged in politics before and you are very concerned now, I think there's a lot of us old-timey leftists that have a bad habit of saying like oh they've been doing this because they have they've been doing this the whole time yeah this is nothing new this is genuinely nothing new at all this is not this is this is par for the course it just feels formalized in a way you know well it has been though that's like this these things have been in place for decades it's how they're accomplishing what they're doing right now
	It's just these explicit, like, they have this clarity of vision and a lot of, like, money and effort and resources behind what they're doing.
	This is just another installment.
	What I'm imploring people to do is to fight the urge, if you have it, to be like, oh, we already knew.
	Oh, man.
	Welcome to the club.
	No, actually, welcome.
	I'm so thrilled you're here.
	I want you to stay here and I want you to realize your agency rather than be, you know, like be alienated or like feel badly and feel disenfranchised.
	That's not, that's what they want.
	Don't give them what they want.
	You need to understand that you can make a difference and you can make change and there's other people that are already doing it.
	I'm not getting, you know, like we're not going to make any, like, you know, like we're not starting a new, this isn't new.
	None of this is new.
	There are people that have already been around.
	For decades that are doing this work, and they just need more bodies and support and creativity and participation.
	Yeah.
	You don't need to reinvent the wheel.
	All these wheels are already there, and we just need to support the correct moves to be able to try to undo some of this nastiness.
	And I think it's easy, especially as you get older, to just be like, ah, these kids today.
	Fight that urge with every fiber of your being, truly.
	It's so like, it's that kind of like, you know, left eating itself is very real and it's a huge problem.
	Oh yeah, always has been.
	Jesus.
	So we all have to be accountable.
	And that's what I'm saying, especially like, Because, like, I'm not going to change these people's minds that we watch.
	I'm not going to do it.
	I already know that.
	But what we are doing to each other is all this, like, if we're doing this kind of infighting and, like, your stance, I'm sure, is legitimate.
	Whoever you are listening right now, like, you're smart.
	I trust you.
	Like, I trust you to make decisions that are reasonable.
	Like, you're smart enough to figure out all this stuff.
	We're just presenting it, you know?
	You have more agency than you think and I don't mean that in a condescending way.
	I don't mean that like I'm I'm not saying like you're the future oh my god I'm gonna make a song about it no like you literally have agency in this world to make these choices and If someone, like listen, they can be annoying and just if they're annoying, if young people are annoying to old people, literally it's a tale as old as time.
	That story has probably been painted on cave walls because they have energy and they're these young bright things and they remind you of the youth that you would like to have and you don't.
	So optimistic.
	And, well, but that's also, like, and we're cynical.
	So, like, pump the brakes on the cynicism.
	Because working together is, like, they got put in this world, right?
	Like, they have to deal with more of this than we will.
	Just how time works.
	So, understanding your place within it and empowering, like, what you do have, what you can do, is the opposite of what these people want.
	I was making another point.
	It's completely gone.
	What I'm curious about is... The only solution I get is medication, so it doesn't work that great.
	So there it is.
	What I'm curious about is, you know, Marjorie is so against all, you know, globalism and all this kind of stuff.
	Do you think she'll be signing on to that fashion act that you're talking about?
	Do you think she'll be voting for it?
	I'll be keeping an eye.
	She also won't grow wings and fly away.
	No.
	Never to return.
	Bye, Marjorie.
	No, I don't know.
	See, you haven't caught up on the boys.
	You don't know about politicians sprouting the ability to fly.
	No, that's right.
	I have no idea what you're talking about.
	Okay, I do need to get on that.
	I do need to get on that.
	That's the thing.
	And that's also what I would like to point out is that this rhetoric, unless there is something behind it, unless there's an understanding of like, listen, Getting on people about how they say they're going to vote on the internet, understanding that this is, like, things like bots and clickbait, they all exist.
	So there's a lot of, like, discourse that is either artificial or in the moment or, you know, kind of, like, intentionally inciting and explosive and it is meant to generate, like, a response.
	But in reality, a lot of us are kind of on the same page and I'm not saying use this as a thought-stopping statement because it absolutely can be, right?
	I'm not saying that at all.
	I'm saying that if you are going to judge someone else, just take a second and assess yourself.
	Hey, maybe there are blind spots you have too.
	We all have blind spots, and this is a blind spot that, like, it's not particularly pleasant to face.
	And no, it does not work out great in conversations on an individual basis.
	And I can tell you that.
	But maybe you have a better way of explaining it than me.
	And maybe the neurodiverge is part of the reason.
	So if you have a better way of explaining it, then you have a better chance of actually convincing people of the import of like the exploitation of the global South and what the consumerist culture, which again, like it makes teams out of politics.
	Instead of what it's supposed to be, which is running a country.
	Yeah.
	We are so far away from that notion of like, we take people's, some of people's money to live in a society, to build safety and to build security and then to build, to support a society that can flourish.
	How fucking far away are that from like, from that conversation?
	Yeah.
	People can say, like, people can run on not wanting to do their job.
	Like, I want to get in government to fucking, to throw a wrench in the works.
	Yeah.
	That's fucked up.
	That means you're not qualified for the job.
	Seems that way.
	Seems that way.
	Oh god.
	Yeah, yeah.
	How did we... yeah.
	I mean, it feels like sports slash reality TV, but with actual consequences and people die at the end of it, you know?
	That's... doesn't feel great.
	Doesn't feel great.
	Some people die at the end of that too, so, you know.
	That's true.
	Maybe take that as a lesson.
	Oh dear.
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