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July 28, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #67 - Rudy Giuliani

America's Mayor is next on the interview list while Russell was at the RNC, and uh, things don't appear to be going well for him. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - purchaseactualgoldhere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
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	But I do know it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	And Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing today?
	Um, only because it has stayed good.
	I'm a little late on this one because I'm surprised at how much entertainment value I've gotten out of it.
	And it's the MAGA people wearing the paper on their ear in solidarity with Trump.
	It's still going around.
	And it's just getting funnier.
	It's now less funny.
	It's more funny.
	And these people swear they're not in a cult.
	Well, masks.
	These are the people.
	Because I made masks.
	That was what I was doing for a lot of 2020 before we had access to Mass that were like reasonably priced and comfortable like before we I wasn't gonna keep at it like I wanted I was doing it because it was a necessity, right?
	Yeah.
	And I was just working it out.
	And so There was friction.
	There's definitely completely insane comments out of left field.
	I didn't get a ton of it, obviously, but I still got enough to where it's like, wow, jeez.
	But especially, I'd say, after 2020.
	That's whenever people could really be fucking hateful.
	Wearing masks in public and they still are and we need to start masking up again because COVID is oh it's boy it's just it's popping off tight new one well it's trying to take out a president at the moment so yeah so we need to do it again and it's going to be that much like people are really like horrible about it so just that Picture in my mind, a reel came across the feed.
	We were doing our watch dumb shit, like watch cats fall off air conditioners before bed.
	Yeah, that's true.
	And there were baseball players.
	And at first we were like, oh, are they being serious?
	I don't know.
	But I don't think that's true.
	I think they're making fun.
	They have one hand over an ear and the other hand up in a fist.
	And it was a bunch of St.
	Louis Cardinals.
	And at first you're like, oh, I don't know.
	I mean, it could go both ways.
	But like, I know how bitchy my hometown is.
	Yeah, that's the beauty of that is that the Trump supporters will think that it's... Well, whatever.
	I don't care.
	Their thoughts are not my business.
	Truly.
	If they are, I don't want to live that life.
	But yeah, it's just, it's still...
	Boy, it's really funny.
	It's like a few weeks back, I can't remember exactly when, but someone made some crack about Trump wearing diapers or whatever, and then suddenly several Trump supporters were wearing diapers in support of Trump.
	And I'm like, this is fucking weird.
	What is happening?
	The commitment to the fandom is incredible.
	Wow.
	Outrageous.
	So yeah, what's your good thing?
	My good thing is, yeah, a little more banal, but I went down to my local Lidl store.
	Do you have Lidl over there?
	I know you have Aldi.
	No, yeah, but I'm familiar.
	I can replace them in my mind.
	Yeah.
	Yeah basically the same thing um pretty much there are some key differences um but uh but anyway went down there to get a cake for my mother um and uh and I was looking looking in the little cake section in a little bakery bit because they have a good bakery bit and I saw these little uh pretzel rolls and I was like oh these seem interesting and I thought they were going to be kind of sweeter and cakier but it turns out it's more like a bread roll but with like pretzel dough um which I prefer, it turns out.
	I then like, you know, used it to make a sandwich and I'm like, this is fucking delicious.
	Is that the first pretzel bun you've ever had?
	Yeah, yeah, it is.
	Yeah, I've never had one before.
	And it's a limited thing and little at the moment.
	So I'm like, I am stocking up, baby.
	Principles are the best.
	Man, these conversations.
	Sometimes I feel like you just stepped out of a time machine.
	Like I'm in Bill and Ted.
	I've taken Napoleon to the mall.
	And I'm just having an experience.
	You're Joan of Arc and you just took over the aerobics studio.
	But yeah, yes, pretzel buns are incredible.
	They will put you in a coma if you eat more than one.
	Yeah, they're only little, they're about yay big, you know.
	Oh, so you have normal sized food.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, right.
	But yeah, I was very pleased.
	Very pleased indeed.
	They're amazing.
	I'm stocking up.
	They're delicious.
	Thanks.
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	So, obviously.
	As mentioned, Russell spoke to quite a few people at the RNC, many of whom require dealing with, so let's get to the next one.
	I will let Russell introduce them in what may be one of the stranger introductions of Stay Free.
	Thanks for joining me for Stay Free with Russell Brand, and indeed what a special day it is at the RNC.
	Before I tell you who my guest is, you're watching me now streaming live on Rumble from what I'm sort of increasingly forced to accept as the Bongino Suite.
	Yeah, I see you, Dan Bongino.
	He's over there.
	Even when he's not streaming, he remains magnetic.
	A voice of authentic male truth, doesn't he?
	But before I tell you about my guest, don't reveal it, Dylan.
	Don't reveal it, Isaac.
	I'm doing a build-up.
	Those of you that are British will be familiar with these words.
	Stop your messing around.
	Better think of your future.
	This is a message to you, Rudy.
	Do you know that song?
	No.
	Oh my God.
	I do not know that.
	I think you're making it up.
	A message to you, Rudy!
	It's such a beautiful ska song.
	Rudy Giuliani, thank you so much for joining me.
	Thank you!
	That's so nice that there's a song!
	What?!
	There's no way!
	This person has been on the earth!
	For such a long time, and he's never heard... I mean, that's been around since the late 60s, you know?
	Sure has!
	It's been popular several times, like, there's been several iterations of very popular versions of it.
	Yeah, the main one being from the specials, and it is a great song, I will say that.
	It is a great song.
	Yeah, of course!
	How?
	Oh, no.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Yeah, I wouldn't necessarily categorize it as Scar, but whatever.
	Anyway, Rudy Giuliani's on the show.
	You wouldn't call it Scar?
	He's gay!
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	You wouldn't call it scum.
	Okay.
	No, I mean.
	What are you talking about?
	We gotta move on.
	Come on.
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's a whole other podcast.
	Sound off in the comments, everybody.
	Is it Scar?
	Yes!
	Like, it's got syncopation, but that's- we're gonna get into a whole fucking debate.
	Let's not do it.
	Let's not do it.
	Let's deal with Rudy.
	Yeah.
	We're talking about weird intros?
	Let's deal with Rudy.
	So yeah, America's mayor, former mayor of New York and Trump's former lawyer, Rudy Giuliani is on the show and he's not seemingly been up to that much since he stopped working for Trump.
	He recently set up a coffee brand where you can get Two pounds of Rudy's coffee for $30.
	And other than that, he has his own show on Rumble.
	His channel is called Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense, and the show is called America's May Alive.
	So it's America's May Alive on Rudy Giuliani's Common Sense.
	Too much.
	Pick a name.
	Yeah, compared to many of his contemporaries as well, he's also not that popular on there.
	He's pulling in between five and ten thousand views per two hour video, which I would expect him to get more, but no.
	Though he doesn't help himself.
	I think he's used the same thumbnail of him speaking to an audience wearing a red hat for every single video for at least a month.
	Also, the show pretty much just consists of him rambling into a microphone for two hours, and I'm not 100% clear who the audience is supposed to be for that.
	Yeah, I think those views are actually kind of high.
	I can't imagine he's, like, offering content that is in high demand.
	Genuinely.
	I know!
	Publicity's not a different animal, but, like, listening to him all the time?
	No.
	No, not that I am.
	Now, there are a number of reasons that the king of Four Seasons Total Landscaping has been in the news lately, and none of them are good.
	He's been disbarred in New York.
	There's a recommendation to disbar him in Washington, D.C.
	as well.
	He lost a lawsuit against two election workers from Georgia who he defamed, both black ladies by the way, owing them a total of $148 million in damages, which was appealed and then upheld.
	He then tried to undergo a bankruptcy to essentially avoid paying any of it, claiming he owed over 150 million to debtors and illegal fees and whatever else.
	Well, there's no money, what can you do?
	And that was in the last couple of weeks thrown out by the judge because Giuliani was very obviously just trying to fucking skirt the system.
	And avoid paying any money to anyone!
	Yeah, he's also still being sued by Dominion voting machines.
	That's still active.
	He was also indicted in Arizona in May along with 17 other defendants for being part of a scheme to overturn Trump's 2020 loss in the state.
	And he's the subject of criminal charges in Georgia over his role in a plot to overturn the 2020 election results there as well.
	And there are multiple other lawsuits that are smaller as well.
	It's seemingly a bad time to be Rudy Giuliani.
	Yeah, it feels like all the legal stuff that Trump should be getting in trouble for is falling on him.
	He has slipped into a vat of all the things that Trump should be getting in trouble for and participated in.
	It's like yeah he's he's the uh the like the whipping boy for all of it and pretty much pretty much I think that I think there was a count of like 10 lawsuits going concurrently at the moment um against him which is I mean that's just fun um yeah uh all the tanks on yeah yeah You got full stars, all the tanks just coming.
	Everyone's coming for you.
	Oh shit.
	And that's not including the actual criminal legal cases as well.
	Oh dear.
	But there is one that I wanted to mention that's been in the news a bit less lately and that's his former director of business development Noel Dumphy suing him for Rape, crimes of violence, crimes of violence motivated by gender, battery, assault, gender discrimination, sexual assault, retaliatory discharge, and wage theft.
	As he never paid her the millions of dollars in salary he said he would.
	I've read the full complaint and do not recommend.
	But I do want to point out a few highlights because the man is a fucking monster
	So content warning here for all of the things I just mentioned because it gets pretty gross almost immediately
	So skip ahead a few minutes if you don't want to hear about it and that is a fair position
	Or just you're you've been you know what?
	I feel like content warnings lately, and I do want to say this, like, content warnings have been so helpful, like, because I always listen anyway.
	I don't, I don't skip.
	And I really do.
	And I think that's okay.
	I have noticed such a difference in like, This has been tailored to me because Mike knows the news that will upset me.
	Very specific, like the minute, very specific, like, okay, this is a thing that you don't like, and I'm going to tell you this version of it.
	It really does help.
	Like, I just, I guess I'm just like basking in what a great idea, trigger warnings and content warnings.
	Yeah.
	and like how fucking cool it is that we do it now.
	And so you can also just prepare.
	That's true.
	You can at least brace a little bit emotionally.
	You're bracing.
	You're not gonna be shocked by it.
	And I really, like, I just wanna celebrate.
	Maybe that's my good thing part.
	Man, trigger warnings and content warnings.
	Really, pretty fucking cool.
	Pretty cool.
	You know, it's the future liberals want, right?
	And it's like tight.
	It's tight.
	But yeah, the story's like pretty awful.
	It's--
	Yucky.
	Big yuck.
	So let's take a look.
	So this is directly from the complaint.
	So, on January 25th, 2019, Giuliani insisted that Ms.
	Dunphy stay in a guest suite in his Upper East Side apartment.
	Since Giuliani was her boss and attorney, she felt pressured to do so, as he asked, and ultimately agreed to stay in his guest suite temporarily.
	Upon arrival at Giuliani's apartment, Ms.
	Dunphy was surprised to find that Giuliani had alcoholic beverages ready for them.
	After finishing their drinks, Ms.
	Dunphy went to the guest suite alone, and when Ms.
	Dunphy got out of the shower, she was startled to see that Giuliani had entered the guest suite uninvited.
	She said she would meet him in the living room when she was ready, but Giuliani would not leave.
	He sat on the bed and pulled down his pants.
	Giuliani then pulled her head onto his penis without asking for or obtaining any form of consent.
	He held her by her hair. It became clear to Miss Dunphy that there was no way out of giving him oral sex.
	She did so against her will.
	Not long after, she asked him for the name of the Human Resources Director because she was considering reporting
	what had happened.
	And he said he did not have a Human Resources Department and bragged that no one would ever sue him because he was
	connected to President Trump and he had private investigators who would
	punish anyone who complained.
	He also, starting the second month she worked for him, allegedly began isolating her from others and forbade her from seeing or talking on the phone with anyone without his approval.
	It's cartoonish!
	It's cartoonish!
	Yes!
	Um, Giuliani told Ms. Dunphy that he wanted her to end her domestic violence litigation
	against her ex, um, because he felt it was interfering with his sex life with her, and
	he did not want her to be distracted by it.
	Giuliani promised Ms.
	Dunphy that he would give her $300,000 in exchange for her waiving her legal rights against her abusive ex-boyfriend, and if she would, quote, fuck me like crazy, unquote.
	And after realizing what he said, Giuliani attempted to backtrack and stated, well, we won't put that last part.
	We'll save for other consideration not appropriate to mention.
	Okay.
	Uh, Giuliani often demanded that she worked naked, um, in a bikini or in short shorts with an American flag on them that he bought for her, and when they were apart they would often work remotely via video conference, uh, because this was, you know, during the pandemic as well, and during those conferences Giuliani almost always asked her to remove her clothes on camera, and he often called from his bed where he was visibly touching himself under a white sheet.
	He often demanded oral sex when he took phone calls on speakerphone from high-profile friends and clients, including then-President Trump.
	Giuliani told Ms.
	Dumpfy that he enjoyed engaging in misconduct while on the telephone because it made him feel, quote, like Bill Clinton.
	We're just really getting into all of it, okay?
	I know, oh boy.
	It gets weirder.
	On March 4th, 2019, Giuliani expressed a fantasy to Dunphy in which they had sex in the lobby of a hotel room and he told the doorman, quote, I need time alone with my girlfriend, with my daughter, with my little girl.
	Per the suit, this became part of a pattern in which Giuliani referenced Ms.
	Dunphy as his daughter in the context of sexual activity and made her extremely uncomfortable.
	On another occasion, Giuliani told Dunphy while engaging in sexual contact with her, I think of you as my daughter.
	Is that weird?
	Yes, Rudy, that's beyond weird.
	There are also just a horrendous number of things that Rudy Giuliani said while knowingly being recorded, uh, by Noel Dumphy.
	Um, not just knowingly, in fact, apparently often he would hit the record button himself.
	Which, fuckin' hubris.
	Um, let's, let's hear a few.
	Let's see, we've got, uh, be a slut.
	Be Rudy's slut.
	Third person, so attractive.
	I want to own you officially, legally, with a document.
	I'm gonna make it a little painful.
	That's just nice.
	Okay, how many more of these do we have?
	A few, they start skewing a little bit different.
	Black guys hit women more than anybody else does and so do Hispanic guys.
	It is in their culture.
	Okay.
	Jews want to go through their freaking Passover all the time.
	Man oh man, get over the Passover.
	It was like 3,000 years ago.
	The Red Sea partied, big deal.
	It's not like that's the first time that happened.
	Okay, another one.
	If my life depended on it, if I had to make love to Nancy Pelosi, I couldn't do it.
	I'd have to die.
	Is that the punishment that we can choose?
	Is that on the table?
	Say, saying of Elizabeth Warren, uh, quote, Pocahontas was a really hot babe and Warren does not look like a babe.
	She looks like a person in search of a gender.
	And then later, said that he was very hot for the senator.
	Um, okay.
	And, uh, Rudy also supposedly gave Dunphy access to his email account.
	Which included messages that were privileged, confidential and highly sensitive.
	So emails from like Donald Trump, Tucker Carlson, Rupert Murdoch, Newt Gingrich, Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity, President Erdogan of Turkey.
	Like just all of the worst important people you can think of and this lady had access to all of it for some reason.
	Okay.
	You're a bad lawyer, sir.
	And he apparently asked Dunphy if she knew anyone who needed a presidential pardon because he allegedly told her he was selling them for two million dollars a pop, money he said he and Donald Trump would split.
	And to cap it off, quote, Giuliani asked Ms.
	Dunphy for help in Googling information about obstruction of justice, among other topics.
	So is the fact that as far back as February 7th, 2019, the then president's personal lawyer allegedly told Dunphy about a plan that had been prepared for if Trump lost the 2020 election.
	Specifically, Giuliani told Ms.
	Dunphy that Trump's team would claim that there was voter fraud and that Trump had actually won the election.
	This plan was discussed at several business meetings with Giuliani and Lev Parnas."
	Unquote.
	So, whoo!
	Yikes!
	Yikes at this man!
	That's what he's doing.
	Well, but here's the thing.
	Monster!
	If any, if any of that was out of character at all, like if any of that was like a behavior that like, oh, he wouldn't do that.
	It's so damn, I mean, listen, yes, of course, innocence will prove guilty, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	But it just, it lines up so perfectly.
	I don't think anyone's shocked.
	How, like, imagine living, I mean, well, okay.
	He thinks he can get away with all of it and that it's fine.
	That's how he behaves.
	That's why he behaves like that.
	But man, it's just, it's amazing.
	That, well, I don't know.
	I think it gives you a window into how dudes like this have been allowed to operate.
	Like, he's just not updating his system.
	He's been able to do this for such a long time.
	He was never not doing this.
	I mean, I think there's an argument to be made that, like, there's an aging brain can get hornier and more aggressive.
	So, certainly.
	But also, Not an excuse.
	And it might have been worse as he's gotten older, sure.
	But there has been, this person has been in him the whole time.
	Like this is the person, this is like, everything that I have, except for like the really great marketing of America's Mirror around 9-11, which is like a couple of speeches, okay?
	And I'm not trying to take that away from anybody, right?
	But yeah, that's just being a politician.
	This is who this person is.
	That's who this person is.
	Harvey Weinstein did the same shit.
	Like, that's the thing, is there's so many other old white men in power, even in just the one same city, even just New York, that are operating the exact same way.
	Yep.
	So yeah.
	I've done the whole time.
	Yeah.
	This is what's going on and needs to stop.
	Yeah.
	It's not going to stop until they get caught and get punished.
	Correct, yeah, and like the fact that it is entirely believable behavior based on everything they've previously said and done, you're like, oh yeah, no, that makes complete sense.
	Horrifying.
	Makes complete sense.
	To imagine that Trump isn't the exact same person is a fool's errand.
	Genuinely.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
	Absolutely.
	And ultimately what we have here is a conversation between two predators, so that's fun.
	So, let's get into it.
	We're going to skip through some of the self-aggrandizing opening of the interview, talking about Rudy's mother and whatever else, to Russell asking about Rudy's feelings on conspiracy theories and the Deep State, particularly in reference to the Trump shooting.
	I think both Donald Trump and I together, learned together, that the government is far worse than we thought.
	The Deep State is deeper than you can see down, right?
	I probably was more aware of it than he was when he came into office, but it's way beyond what I thought.
	So there is probably no conspiracy now that I would reject out of hand.
	There's also none that I would accept.
	I think of the conspiracies as I did when I investigated crime, which is what I did for more of my life than anything else, as hypotheticals.
	You look at the hypotheticals on the Kennedy assassination.
	Yes.
	O'Reilly wrote a really nice book about this, pretty much the way I look at it.
	Here are the four or five people with a motive.
	Who had the biggest motive?
	Where is the best evidence?
	And he concluded you can't figure it out.
	But it was very, very good.
	That's the way you should do it.
	I would not accept that the Secret Service was part of this, or the government, unless they were hard proof of that.
	I do accept that there are facts.
	You can call them circumstantial, you can call them coincidences, that point to an incredible breakdown, and people search for a reason for a breakdown like that.
	So, unless this is investigated really thoroughly, people are going to be doing conspiracy theories on this 40 years from now.
	Okay so so you know hedging a little bit but in essence saying like well looks fishy we need a thorough investigation otherwise you know this will be the next JFK you know investigations for 40 years right yeah okay which on its own fine so far so okay um do take a little bit of issue with uh with citing Bill O'Reilly's book um you know killing Kennedy as being a great source on the JFK assassination.
	Well at least he said the conclusion that kind of is like Sane, rational people that are also interested in what happened around the Kennedy assassination.
	It's like, yeah, there's no conclusive proof of anyone.
	There's really no, there is no conclusion to be had.
	And maybe there would have been at one time, but we can't do that anymore.
	And he also said that, I mean, He seemed more ready than I'm used to hearing on the show.
	That we can chalk a lot of it up to a breakdown or incompetence.
	Yeah, well, well, yes.
	You heard what he said after this.
	I'll leave this clip alone, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, no.
	So he said there's a breakdown and people will look for reasons for that breakdown.
	Okay, that's reasonable on its face, right?
	That's fine.
	Fine so far.
	And he also did say that there's no conspiracy theory he'd dismiss out of hand.
	He has an open-mindedness to conspiracy theories these days, where apparently he didn't used to.
	Okay, we'll see where this goes.
	And next, Russell asks a fucking bramble of a question.
	I've got quite a lot of questions, Rudy.
	Now, there's a few things I want to cover.
	You've already mentioned that you have a particular tenacity, an ability to... You said that your mother endowed you with this quality.
	If you know you are right, you hold on to it.
	There's a sort of a complexity, though, because we know that dealing with law, whilst on one level it's about objectivity, it's also about narrative.
	It's about creating a compelling story with available evidence.
	No question about it.
	And in inducing inquiry and doubt into counter-narratives.
	One of the challenges I think we have now is the way that media functions so quickly is with, for example, the recent events in Butler, the immersion and availability of Why was the ladder up there?
	Why was the periphery, the roof slanted?
	That's ridiculous.
	How do you imagine there can ever be, again, a kind of rigid control of information?
	And I wonder how you, while deploying the skills and experience of a lawyer, counterbalance the tenacity, the will to impose a desired outcome if you're in the service of a client, for example.
	With the likelihood that truth is diverse and diffuse in some instances.
	I'm not saying that there's no such thing as right or wrong or God.
	I believe in God.
	But I'm saying that when it comes to something like 9-11 or the assassination attempt on Donald Trump, there are numerous narratives that might be rendered and the most skilled narrators will likely win.
	Indeed, we are in the middle of a war of narration.
	The old gatekeepers and the old authorities are dying.
	They are unable to cope with the new ability to create narratives.
	How do we ensure that strong narratives are marshaled correctly by the right minds?
	I mean, that's a big question.
	Yes.
	I should write a book about it.
	I'll be your Emanuelsis.
	You and I could write it together.
	Oh, please.
	Please, universe, give me the Rudy Giuliani and Russell Brand book about narratives and who should marshal them.
	It sounds terrible and I would read it cover to cover.
	To pass his question, what he was essentially asking was, how do we make sure our truth, the things that we say, is the other things that win?
	The dominant narrative.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	How do we dominate the narrative?
	Exactly.
	A hundred percent.
	Yeah.
	How do we make sure everyone comes to live in our reality rather than being weighed down by objective facts?
	Because the legacy media can't cope with the amount of bullshit that we spread already.
	So how do we make sure we come out on top?
	I would love to know who he thinks the right minds are as well.
	That would be interesting.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'd love that list.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Guess what?
	I bet it changes every week too.
	That's the thing.
	They're the right ones until they're not.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I bet Tucker Carlson's somewhere near the top.
	That's for sure.
	Anyway, let's hear Rudy's answer, because of course he's well equipped to answer this question, and see if you can keep track of what the fuck he's talking about.
	One of the things you could say is that we're in the age of PSYOPs.
	Yes.
	And I don't know that we... I think we'd be... Here's the one piece of good news.
	Many of us, including you and me and others, realize now we're in the age of PSYOPs.
	We were in the age of PSYOPs four or five years ago.
	We didn't know it.
	And they are way ahead of it, meaning the Dems and the liberals and the left-oriented and the communists.
	I mean, the communists have been practicing PSYOPs for 150 years.
	And we tend to be, because of who we are, you know, honest, honorable, want things proven, When you're willing to be completely dishonest, you can practice psyops much easier than if you're going to be honest.
	What I try to do to keep balance is to use my skills as an investigator.
	I use whiteboards a lot because I investigated the mafia on a whiteboard.
	So I put down the facts that I have.
	I always, like if it's a murder or a, let's say a murder, I start off with, I always start off with who has the biggest motive.
	One, two, three, four.
	Then you start putting the facts together.
	What does it look like?
	What does it look like?
	Who does it tie to?
	The problem that we have is, if you switch the facts, and you set up all the same facts, and we shot, somebody shot and almost killed Biden, and there were a whole bunch of Trump administration people around at the time guarding him, we'd be at, we'd probably be in an arrest already.
	Certainly searches.
	Because they don't, they don't operate honestly.
	And the country is really very fortunate that it happened the other way, because we're not like that.
	Famously honest Rudy Giuliani and Donald Trump.
	Do you notice what he's just done?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I can see your mouth is on the floor.
	I don't know why catching flies helps me think.
	I'm sorry.
	I have to look very stupid.
	I promise it works.
	Shocked, I think, and surprised, because he did just say like, oh, well, we need to hedge our bets.
	So in that clip, we went from psyops to communist psyops to how to investigate murders with a whiteboard to, hey, if this was Biden that got shot, then they'd have arrested some of the Secret Service detail by now, which implies that Trump was surrounded by Biden-affiliated Secret Service and that those individuals conspired in the shooting.
	I'm like, oh!
	Oh no!
	That was quick!
	I mean, I heard there would be an arrest by now.
	Yes!
	There would be an arrest by now or searches.
	Has Secret Service ever been arrested in light of a president or presidential candidate getting assassinated?
	No, it doesn't matter who's in charge.
	I don't think that's ever happened.
	But also, I'd be fascinated to know if I'm wrong, but just off the dome, that's not a thing that has happened.
	And does he not think that the shooter Listen, there's a lot of very interesting videos that were taken that are contemporary to the event.
	Yes.
	Yes, indeed.
	And the people of Pennsylvania are a colorful bunch when they describe these scenarios.
	And I got my life from just the way, like we have a whole new kind of like crop of man on the street.
	And from all accounts, I heard this guy It's like very, like, ginger man.
	It's like, oh yeah, and then that sniper blew his face right off.
	Like, there is no arrest.
	That young man is no longer with us.
	No, no.
	Well, that's it.
	That's it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, but the thing that Rudy's spinning is, no, no, it wasn't a lone shooter, no, no, no, it was Biden-affiliated Secret Service.
	I've got bad news for you with Kennedy, dog.
	We don't have a precedent, nor necessarily a Well, it's funny that you should bring up Kennedy, because it does come back up just now.
	And also, we find out what Rudy's going to do about the shooting, you know?
	What's he going to do?
	So what I'll do with this is I'll keep gathering facts and see if I can come to a conclusion about it.
	I always use the beyond a reasonable doubt standard.
	Yeah.
	Then I'll give both sides and let people decide.
	Like, I've been doing that with the Kennedy assassination since the beginning.
	I still don't have a one theory that I could definitively buy, but I can give you the evidence for all of them.
	Secretly, I have one that I like better than others.
	Oh yeah?
	But I can't, I won't say it because I can't prove it yet.
	Coward!
	Coward!
	Tell me who did it, Rudy.
	He's been investigating this for 50 years or something apparently.
	I want to hear the fruits of his labor.
	Yeah, that's a new sensation.
	Wanting to hear Rudy Giuliani's thoughts on a thing.
	I think that might be the first time I've ever felt that and we're not going to get it.
	Of course, of course.
	And yeah, as you pointed out, he says things he can't prove all the time.
	He should just come out with it anyway.
	Anyway, now to the capstone to his feelings on the Trump shooting.
	And here, here I'll begin with, it's too jarring and too hard to believe that this was anyway planned by the government.
	So I'm not going to accept that unless there's definite proof.
	The way I didn't accept, although of course the left doesn't, Biden's criminality.
	Now I have Biden's criminality with so much evidence that it's beyond absurd.
	And it could be proven in any court anywhere if we had a fair court system.
	Oh, okay, yeah.
	He's got evidence of Joe Biden being a criminal that would win in any court anywhere, but he can't present it in a court because we don't have a fair court system in the United States.
	It makes complete sense.
	She goes to a different high school.
	You wouldn't know her.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Also, he can't present it in a court because he's been disbarred.
	So, Rudy, if you've got the goods, show us, you know, release it to the world.
	We would love to see this evidence.
	I'm pretty sure it's more Ukraine Burisma bullshit, but okay, sure, bring it on.
	Let's have a look.
	Wait, Charisma is tied to this right now?
	No, no, he's saying of Joe Biden's criminality.
	I was like, okay, if you've got stuff where you can conclusively prove that Joe Biden's a criminal, let's see it.
	I would love to.
	Anyway.
	It's about time.
	You know?
	Yes.
	It's about time.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Bring the goods.
	We want to see them.
	Yeah, yet again at the start there he was saying, well I'm not going to believe the government organized the Trump assassination without evidence and then said, much like Biden's criminality which I now have evidence of, implying that there is evidence to be found that the government tried to assassinate Donald Trump.
	It's fun little gymnastics he's doing.
	So from here, Rudy spends a while telling an old man's story about Dick Cheney teaching him how to be a chief of staff, which was dull, and also talking about how Dick Cheney changed as a human being when he got older, like most people seem to.
	Okay, cool.
	And then we get to the subject of James Comey.
	People say, look, I hired Comey.
	I hired Comey when he was a young man as an assistant U.S.
	attorney.
	I trained him for three years.
	If you told me that years later he would lie in a Pfizer report, I'd have probably punched you in the nose.
	I've got a series of questions that have since... And now I think he should be in jail.
	Right, okay, fair enough.
	We're gonna need evidence and a damn good narrative.
	And a good trial lawyer to try the case.
	I'm volunteering.
	You're available for it.
	Russell has no clue.
	He has no clue.
	He's like, I've heard that name.
	I'm gonna breeze past it.
	Comey Island?
	Is that what I'm thinking of?
	Yeah, right?
	It's the place with all the fairgrounds, right?
	That's a thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Giuliani just volunteered himself as the prosecutor to prosecute James Comey.
	And again, legally not allowed to.
	So I'm like, dude, what are you doing?
	And also, yeah, how dare James Comey have investigated the Trump campaign working with Russia to win the 2016 election, and particularly how dare he find evidence of that very thing and present it to the government.
	The bastard doing his job as director of the FBI at the time.
	Well, yeah, and the assumption for this audience is like, oh, he lied.
	Like, I want to know, like, I want to see the whiteboard.
	I want to see Rudy's little lists.
	Show me the whiteboard where he lied.
	YouTube's right here.
	What was the specific lie?
	Give me as much specifics as you possibly can.
	I want to hear that narrative.
	You lay it out.
	You do Rudy's whiteboard corner.
	I want to hear all of that.
	Oh yeah!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well there's a part of me that kind of would love for Rudy to try and prosecute
	James Comey in court for all of this because well not only would he obviously lose, not least of all
	because he's really bad at being a lawyer, but but that doesn't mean anything. No that's true,
	that's true. But you know we'd get more, we'd get to see more of the actual argument from him
	and possibly get more of the actual kind of Russia investigate.
	Like, we might be able to see more kind of current day Russia ties to the Trump campaign.
	And I'd love to know more about that, you know, if that became part of an ongoing criminal investigation.
	Like, oh, that's interesting.
	Yeah, you know what?
	He keeps threatening me with a good time.
	I don't like it.
	I know.
	For reasons he's not intending, but still.
	Next, inevitably, we get to the subject of election fraud, which Rudy should probably be really careful about discussing, given that he's under indictment for racketeering and conspiracy and lying and all this other stuff.
	Tell me, do you believe that election interference took place in the most recent election in 2020?
	And do you think that election interference and indeed election fraud is a possibility, particularly given the seemingly unassailable position of this party, the Republican Party movement?
	Do you think that election interference is a genuine fear and a reality?
	And given your commitment to evidence-based inquiry, is there significant evidence for us to assert that it's a real problem?
	The answer to your questions are yes and yes.
	Thank you very much, Rudy Giuliani!
	There was, without question, election interference in 2020.
	That I can base on about the solidest evidence that you can, and that is hundreds and hundreds of affidavits, interviews, video recordings, forensic tests that If we had had a fair and open judiciary, it would have been allowed in court.
	Most of it I was able to put before state legislatures to make it a matter of history.
	Yeah, I remember he just kind of shoved every scrap of what he calls evidence into cases where it wasn't even relevant, to ensure that it was on some kind of record, or possibly to just exhaust everyone.
	Anyway, Rudy, yeah, he doesn't seem to want to be careful about discussing election fraud, so okay.
	We had a congressperson set a snowball on fire, and that's in the official record.
	Listen, lots of stuff in the record, okay?
	Lots of stuff is in the record.
	Yep, yep, yep.
	Lots and lots of things.
	You know, for anyone who needs a refresher, after the 2020 presidential election, the campaign for Donald Trump and others filed 62 lawsuits contesting election processes, vote counting, and the vote certification process in nine states, including Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia.
	Nearly all the suits were dismissed or dropped due to lack of evidence or lack of standing, including 30 lawsuits that were dismissed by the judges after a hearing on the merits.
	Among the judges who dismissed the lawsuits were several appointed by Donald Trump himself.
	Which, that had to hurt.
	Judges, lawyers, and other observers described the suits as frivolous and without merit.
	And in one instance, the Trump campaign and other groups seeking his re-election collectively lost multiple cases in six states on a single day.
	Only one ruling was initially in Trump's favour.
	The timing within which first-time Pennsylvania voters must provide proper identification if they wanted to cure their ballots.
	This ruling affected very few votes and it was later overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court anyway.
	Yeah, and I would say it's weird that all this evidence that Rudy has amounted to exactly nothing happening other than him being sued and criminally charged with, you know, lying and conspiracy.
	But of course, Rudy says that's all down to the unfair court system.
	And I would more say if you can't present at least one case with some merit out of 62, you have nothing and you are bad at law.
	That's where I'm at.
	I mean, you can't be good at law when it's not real.
	There's no... It's true, the odds are stacked against him, you know?
	Lawyering, genuinely, that's gonna really work.
	That's just... Right, so he's saying that the system is unjust.
	I mean, I really, it's really cute how these folks are so blustery and bossy and big manned until they remember Discovery.
	Like until they're like, oh, oh, actually.
	Oh, wait.
	Oh, wait, wait.
	Could we settle?
	Yeah, if we keep fucking around, we're going to have to find out, and I don't think we want to do that.
	Yeah, the benefit of legal intimidation is that it's under- you know what I mean?
	I'm sure that Rudy Giuliani, genuinely, of the things that he is an expert at, I'm going to start my list right now that I have not considered yet.
	This is the first one.
	Is it legal intimidation?
	Of course.
	That's probably been his thing for quite some time.
	And you have to do it covertly, because the same methods do not work when you are scrutinized on a national level.
	That's part of it.
	It's cloak and dagger, not sunlight and television, because that'll melt your hair dye off of your head.
	Yes.
	You do these things in the dark, and you do these things, and you sneakily get away with them, Yeah, you don't stand there in broad daylight with a rocket launcher, you know?
	These systems don't work anymore.
	But I think it's honestly very instructive as to what he expected was going to work because I bet he's done it successfully in the past.
	Probably when he had more of his faculties, genuinely.
	So it wasn't the same person necessarily making the attempt.
	He keeps mentioning, like, the psyops thing.
	He said, he said it start, like, he started noticing it four or five years ago.
	And, like, talking about that he's like, he learned about the deep state.
	And the second clip he was talking about, like, he's 80 years old.
	He's 80 years old.
	Yeah.
	70, maybe, when you start, like, you're just, you were the mayor of New York City during 9-11, and you're just now learning about the deep state?
	I'm saying, like, let's just take this at face value.
	Oh, there is a deep state, and you're just now learning about it.
	What have you been doing before now?
	Maybe that speaks to your incompetence in and of itself, and I don't think I can trust you with that information if you were not able, like, in the highest echelons of American power, and you had no idea?
	I think it's a Rooney problem.
	Zero clue.
	Yeah, yeah, I'm inclined to agree.
	It's a YP.
	There were several YPs I think.
	Yeah, not a DSP.
	It's not a Deep State problem.
	It's your problem.
	Oh dear, dear.
	That's wild!
	The kicker to all of this is that Trump still hasn't paid him for all of that legal work that he did for all of this stuff because Trump said, quote, I only pay good lawyers.
	These motherfuckers don't pay each other.
	It's incredible.
	Listeners, every collections phone call, text you've ever gotten, just think about this.
	These motherfuckers don't, like they have all the money and then they don't even pay people.
	That's honestly, like obviously, like, you know, talking about the case,
	you know, against his former employee, it was absolutely horrendous.
	Horrifying.
	She didn't even get paid. She didn't even get fucking paid.
	Cause like, there is a world where if it was a consensual agreement and relationship, that is gainful, justifiable.
	If that was the job she chose for herself in the world.
	That was part of the deal and was like, okay.
	And was fairly compensated.
	That is a choice adults can make.
	Yep.
	It was, yeah, it was at least a million a year.
	So, so yeah.
	And she didn't get paid.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	Yeah.
	It's amazing how much they get away with it.
	It's, I don't even understand, like that's genuinely, I do not understand because when we don't pay for something, you can end our entire lives.
	Yeah, I'll go to prison.
	Yeah.
	For fractions of one of these lawsuit settlements.
	And yet, you know, you hear these fucking arguments from Nigel Farage about trickle-down economics and shit, and it's like, well, why do you want these people to have all the money?
	They never pay anyone anything.
	Like, they don't put any of it back into the economy, even when they're supposed to!
	It doesn't even trickle.
	No, no, it dries up, it goes to the top of the list.
	Like the name is already, which also, let's never forget, it was referred to also as voodoo economics because it's fucking fake.
	And that was at the time, that was contemporary.
	I'm sorry to be on the same side as a bush, but it's absolutely true.
	The human, not the plant, the elder.
	Uh, I will never apologize for that.
	I love, I love shrubs.
	Uh, but yeah, it's, it's completely insane that like, that's even an argument that is still allowed to be spoken into a microphone in 2024.
	We're living in it.
	We all know it's fucking trash.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Hidden Brain actually did a really great, so they did an episode, and this was years ago, but I'm sure you can find it.
	I highly recommend if you want to get extra upset, but understand what Trickle Down is about, Hidden Brain's NPR did a really great episode on that and on Broken Windows Policing.
	Let me tell you, guess how much more upset you'll get?
	You're going to be on LB level in no time when you learn Like, the evidence that these ideas are founded on.
	It's so much less than you think.
	It's so much less.
	You're going to give me an aneurysm with all this homework.
	That's what's going to happen.
	It's going to make me too mad.
	Oh, well then I'll give you some more!
	So, there's an episode of Reveal, actually.
	There's several episodes of Reveal that actually- I was going to mention this anyway, but you gave me your- I couldn't.
	Um, yeah, so the gals that won the lawsuit, because they were poll workers, regular as poll workers, I've done it, I'm sure a number of you have that are listening, where you just show up and follow the directions that are...
	On the wall!
	And yeah, the harassment is so much worse.
	I think there's a two-part... Reveal is a PRI podcast, and yeah, there's at least two episodes.
	And they talk about, I don't know, I think since we're going into another election, it is really valuable to revisit what happened to those women in Georgia, because it's going to be, I'm sorry, it's going to be worse this time.
	And it's going to happen to more people.
	And we need to be, we need to familiarize ourselves with the process of what they went through.
	Yeah, the upcoming election comes up in a little bit, so there's plenty to discuss there.
	For now, however, as mentioned, Rudy's not being particularly careful about all of the 2020 stuff, so here's another of the election lies.
	When we were rejected to have a hearing in the Pennsylvania court, the president, I was his lawyer, his group of lawyers and the president decided that, yeah, they'll pursue the cases.
	But we're going to go before the state legislatures because I wanted and President Trump wanted to make sure, win or lose, we had a historic record of what happened so it never happened again.
	Now I had probably, at that point, eight, nine hundred potential witnesses that were pressuring me to testify.
	Really?
	So I wanted to do something with all of this.
	So what I did was I convinced the legislature, the Republicans in Pennsylvania, the Republicans in Michigan, the Republicans in Arizona, and the Republicans in Georgia to hold hearings.
	And we presented our witnesses to them, and there's a record of all of that.
	So now when people go back and argue about it, we have actual Testimony from people who say for example in Detroit a very nice 68 year old Indian American woman who says She was taken out of her job as an engineer.
	She's brought in for training by the Democrat Party, and she was taught how to take ballots that didn't appear to be real mail-in ballots because they weren't folded and there was a whole group of registrations they had available and And to pick a registration and put it next to the ballot.
	The registrations turned out to be people that had moved out of Detroit.
	Preferably to another state.
	Sometimes 20 years ago.
	But they kept the names in the file.
	Sometimes dead people.
	Yeah, none of that happened.
	He's talking about a lady called Jessie Jacob, who wasn't dragged there by the Democrats or anything.
	She wasn't dragged out of her role as an engineer to go and work the polls.
	And yeah, she alleged, among other things, that the city of Detroit election workers Coached voters to vote for Joe Biden and the Democrats.
	She said workers would watch people vote.
	She claimed that when working at a satellite voting office she was encouraged not to ask voters for ID.
	Which is kind of possible because Michigan is a state with non-strict voter ID laws.
	So other methods of validation are allowed which vary state by state.
	So it could be, you know, signing an affidavit, having a poll worker vouch for the voter, having election officials verify The voters' identity after the vote is cast, or having them return an inquiry mailed to their reported address.
	Like, there are a number of ways that can work.
	Yeah, and that's a good thing!
	It's a fucking great thing.
	And she was told at the time, these are all registered voters, let them vote.
	But she insisted on asking them all for photo ID anyway, in hushed tones.
	And I'm like, oh, you're not supposed to do that.
	So she's a dick?
	Yeah, she's a dick.
	She is.
	The Wayne County Circuit Judge Timothy Kennedy, Kennedy?
	Kenny, sorry.
	The allegations made by Ms.
	Jacob are serious.
	He said, he then goes on to point out that she didn't provide any names or details, nor did she indicate that she had tried to warn a supervisor about what she had alleged.
	One allegation that signatures weren't being matched was likely true, but that's because that happens earlier in the vote tallying process, the judge had to make that clear.
	And the judge also believes that her claims were politically motivated.
	Ms.
	Jacob only came forward after the unofficial results of voting indicated former Vice President Joe Biden was the winner in the state of Michigan, the judge wrote.
	Yeah, yeah.
	This seems pretty click-up.
	Yeah, and you can watch her full testimony and everything, along with some of the other people that Rudy's talking about that really wanted to testify, and they are all nuts.
	It's kind of entertaining, but yeah.
	Oh dear.
	But somebody put those ideas in their head, you know what I mean?
	That's the critical nature.
	And I've said it before, I'll say it again.
	I encourage, if you can, volunteer to work the polls on Election Day.
	I'm talking specifically to listeners.
	You are engaged and you are informed, and I trust you to be smart and capable.
	And it is very good for you to be in the room.
	And I can say, you will have all the donuts that you could ever possibly digest in your life.
	I'm being persuaded.
	And it's so, I mean, it's, it's, it is so illuminating and genuinely like very, like people are generally like really nice.
	So it's not that bad.
	Yeah.
	And, and I have another reason why you're going to want to consider that in a little bit.
	And it's not good.
	All right.
	Let's, let's, let's hear the next lie.
	Sometimes, now this didn't happen in Detroit, but it happened in states where 17-year-olds and 16-year-olds can get driver's licenses.
	So they would take driver's licenses, they'd turn it into a registration, and they'd register a person who was under the age of 18 because they'd never show up to vote.
	Because the real fear is you vote that person, the person shows up.
	So now you want the end result of it is the worst was in Pennsylvania.
	On election day, 17,000 people showed up in the city of Pittsburgh who had already voted.
	Nope.
	And I have a complete record of that and all the evidence of that.
	And the chief witness who obtained that was a former CIA operative, a very, very professional person.
	Weird how CIA operatives are great and very professional when they're on your side, but evil in literally any other context.
	How strange from these people.
	No, I couldn't find anything about these 17,000.
	There wasn't anything in any of the lawsuits that he filed.
	And there are a couple of times in this interview where it seems like he's just making stuff up whole cloth.
	Well, if he can do it, then I can guess.
	And I guess that they found people that had the same name and voted.
	Yep!
	Who the fuck knows?
	No 16-year-olds were voting.
	Just shut up, you old man.
	Yeah, Rudy had all the evidence.
	So, despite not having argued a case in any courtroom for over three decades, Rudy applied for special permission to represent the Trump presidential campaign in the federal court of Pennsylvania.
	And in doing so, Giuliani, well, he misrepresented his status with the District of Columbia bar in his application by stating that he was a member of the bar in good standing, when in fact, the District of Columbia had suspended him for non-payment of fees.
	Nonetheless, he was allowed to argue the case.
	In his first day in court on the case, which was November 17th, 2020, Rudy struggled with rudimentary legal processes and was accused by lawyers for the Pennsylvania Secretary of State making legal arguments that were disgraceful in an American courtroom.
	Judge Matthew Bran questioned how Giuliani could justify, quote, asking this court to invalidate some 6.8 million votes thereby disenfranchising every single voter in the Commonwealth, unquote.
	Good question!
	His federal lawsuit against Pennsylvania was dismissed with prejudice on November 21st, 2020, with the judge citing strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations which were unsupported by evidence.
	Giuliani and Jenna Ellis reacted by stating that the ruling helps the Trump campaign get expeditiously to the U.S.
	Supreme Court.
	They also pointed out that the judge, Matthew W. Brann, was Obama-appointed, though Brann is also a Republican and a former member of the Federalist Society.
	Oh, he's Obama-appointed.
	Okay.
	The Trump campaign appealed the lawsuit to the Third Circuit Court of Appeals, where a three-judge panel rejected the Trump campaign's attempt to undo the vote certification in Pennsylvania because the claims have no merit, was what they said.
	The panel also ruled that the district court was correct in preventing the Trump campaign from conducting a second amendment of its complaint, and that an amendment would be pointless, ruled the judges, because the Trump campaign was not bringing facts before the court, and not even alleging fraud.
	Judge Stephanos Bibas highlighted that Giuliani himself told the district court that the Trump campaign doesn't plead fraud, and that this is not a fraud case.
	The panel concluded that neither specific allegations nor proof was provided in this case, and that the Trump campaign cannot win this lawsuit.
	All the evidence, indeed!
	It's just so galling, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's so galling because, like, oh, I don't know, every six months comes, like, across, you know, a news story or, like, a story I've been following or whatever for a long time and comes back again, comes across my feed of, like, someone in Like, there's a guy in Missouri right now.
	I don't know his name off the top of my head.
	I mean, you can look it up.
	Basically, like, very often even, like, the prosecutor that put the person in jail to begin with is saying, we have DNA evidence this person is innocent and they are on death row.
	And it just keeps, and I have exonerating evidence, and these appeal boards can just say no.
	They don't even entertain it.
	It's fucking insane.
	And our government is murdering these people.
	Disproportionately black men are being- Innocent.
	Yeah, that like, oh, by all accounts, absolutely innocent.
	It's fucking tragic.
	So to hear this guy piss and moan about not getting his day in court that he wants, and it's never gonna be good enough, Yeah.
	It's outrageous!
	It is infuriating because there is so much wrong with the court system in America.
	Absolutely.
	There are fucking podcasts up the wazoo about what's wrong with the court system in America.
	But none of what he's talking about is actually real.
	Oh, fire him into the sun.
	Well, what he's talking about is that, like, there has been a decades-long project of Republicans, I mean, and also just anyone, oligarchs, doesn't matter your affiliation, Have been trying to undermine voting rights and have been systematically, very effectively disenfranchising more and more voters every census and every election.
	That is what they've been doing and very effectively accomplishing for decades.
	This is just another part of it.
	Being able to attack every single facet of the election system that fucking works great Oh my God, I could have been mailing in the whole time.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	It's so good.
	It works great.
	It's awesome.
	They've been trying to hammer away at every single aspect and they're doing it.
	And the other thing that he said, or I guess, yeah, he said in the quotes that you read off, is that he wants to get to the Supreme Court.
	Now, let me tell you, that's what they actually want to do.
	That's why they put that Supreme Court there.
	It's already worked.
	In my lifetime, to throw an election to the Supreme Court and get not a winner to be winning, and let me say, like, yeah.
	These suits can be very stupid and based on nothing.
	I don't think that he has more evidence than a Supreme Court decision made, I think, last year?
	Oh, they're all really blended together.
	Recently.
	In recent years.
	The gay wedding website lady!
	And she won!
	She won!
	The guy whose name she said was trying to get a gay wedding website from her and impinge on her fucking free speech or whatever, was a dude who had never met her, never spoken to her, straight, and married for 15 years.
	And it sailed the fuck through the Supreme Court.
	Unbelievable.
	They know what they're doing.
	They know what they're doing and they're doing it.
	So that's the thing is we need to be especially vigilant and so I hate it.
	While I absolutely hate hearing this guy, bitch, about not getting a hearing when I know the reality of exonerations that could happen instead.
	The state is putting these people to death So yes, that's more extreme to me.
	But we still have to pay attention because shit like that, like the fucking fake ass fucking fake fake website.
	I mean, there's a million problems and it went through.
	Yeah, because of the aggressive activism of these people.
	Unicorn parking could end up at the fucking Supreme Court tomorrow!
	And unless we are really concerned about it, nothing's gonna change!
	And like, there has to be attention.
	Oh my God.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Well, that is the risk.
	That is the risk of all of these lies that he's bandying about.
	That eventually some of it does fucking make its way up there.
	They're massive.
	And it sounds stupid, but it works.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Embarrassingly, it works.
	Yeah.
	Speaking of mail-in ballots, he's not done talking about his Pennsylvania case.
	When you were talking about the chads, I think if we remember that image, we remember they're poking the chads, and there's usually a person here and a person here.
	Republican, Democrat.
	And then they look at it, and they don't object, they put it in.
	Then all of a sudden, one of them goes, and they put it aside.
	This has happened time in a memorial in American elections.
	I was part of it as a young guy.
	I was a poll watcher.
	We never got to see, Republicans, a single piece of paper in Pennsylvania.
	We were placed 100 to 400 yards away in stalls like cows.
	And all we could see is the paper, but we couldn't see what was on it.
	So the lawyer in charge had been the head of the Bar Association.
	He rounded up all his lawyers and he said, look, we're never going to see them, but I want you to count.
	I want you to keep a count.
	Because ultimately, I want to be able to show how many ballots were entered that we never got a chance to see.
	Because they're invalid.
	So we had 700,000 over four days.
	Yeah, that's about a fifth of the mail-in ballots he was trying to get invalidated.
	Rudy said the following in a hearing, quote, mailed ballots sent out 1,823,148.
	1,823,148. But when you get to the count of the final count of the vote, there were 2,589,242
	mail-in ballots received, implying that there were 700,000 extra ballots to sway things in Biden's
	That's what he was trying to say.
	From question mark, yeah.
	From question mark.
	mark. In reality, 3,087,524 mail-in ballots were requested, and 2,629,672 were returned.
	According to data from the Pennsylvania Secretary of State that was analyzed by the U.S.
	Elections Project, a website tracking voter turnout including early voting that's run by Michael McDonald, a University of Florida political science professor.
	So yeah, Completely just lies.
	That's just not, none of that's true.
	I did want to ask, like, you know, when you worked on an election, like, were poll watchers herded into pens like cattle?
	Absolutely not.
	No in fact like there's this lovely gal in a very fetching two-piece pink tracksuit it was like very cool she was super rad and we sat when it was really slow for like half an hour and just had a little chat because you have poll watchers from both you know, like both parties or parties, right?
	And that's what they do.
	And they make sure that everything is going.
	Yeah. She had full access to the room.
	Yeah. Also, Rich coming from a person who, at least as mayor,
	definitely enforced like designated protest zones.
	That's the thing that we don't remember from the early 2000, like early odds, like late nineties, early odds is which I
	They make jokes about it.
	So if you're not an old, like me, they make really great jokes about it on Arrested Development in the early season.
	So, uh, yeah, that's, it's fucking amazing to me that that was like that because it was a fucked up thing to do.
	And it was, it was when we started really getting our like civil liberties of, um, of organ, like, you know, organizing and, uh, I would say it was a step in the wrong direction for organizing and demonstrating and protesting.
	I mean, I feel like the crackdown is that much worse, but it was definitely a step on that road to anyone trying to exercise their actual right to free speech in America.
	So that's fucking rich.
	It's fucking rich.
	Yep!
	Abso-fucking-lutely.
	Yeah, he's mad that there was a ruling that poll watchers don't have to see every single individual.
	The legal standard of a poll watcher being present is them being in the room, not them being like right fucking up close to the vote, you know?
	They'd be watching us!
	They're watching the workers!
	Yeah.
	Who are equally dispersed among like affiliation, like party affiliation.
	That's it.
	Yeah, they're not there to like examine every single vote.
	That's not that's not the system.
	Well, I can't speak to the thing is, is because we like it's a patchwork, right?
	Every single state is different.
	So it's very difficult for me to speak to the collective experience.
	All I know is what Illinois requires of us, right?
	Illinois and Cook County.
	That's what I'm familiar with.
	And Okay, the training is like, it takes a while, but it's online, and it's fine, and it's not that boring, and it's very easy.
	I don't wanna turn anyone off from it, but you learn about all the stuff three times over, and there's still instructions.
	I'll say maybe not the best design for understanding shit, but everything is so clear, And these the systems are like genuinely it is it's still an impressive feat to watch like all of these like the way these systems do genuinely work even when there's a breakdown like there's honestly the big thing I was.
	I had a B in my bonnet about was ADA compliance and accessibility.
	I think that's the biggest.
	I mean, and speaking of that, right, the numbers that you were talking about with the mail-in ballots, that turnover of like the return, you know, like sent out versus return, obviously get better, but like compared to citizens who are eligible to vote versus citizens who do vote, total, That's a really great turnaround.
	It's almost, it's like 90% roughly, like around there, yeah.
	What do you mean 90%?
	I thought it was like 3 million something and then 2 million came back.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, no, no.
	2 million, like nearly 2,700,000.
	So that's like 90%.
	Yeah, I mean, that's, yeah, the return is great.
	And like, that's what, oh my God.
	Listen, on a different Sliders episode, there's There's an America where we all just get to do the things that work well, and we aren't disenfranchised voters.
	And it's like, that's a cool place to visit with Jerry O'Connell, in my opinion.
	That sounds pleasant.
	I mean, I'd like to visit most places.
	But, you know, genuinely, that would be so tight.
	Sounds good.
	It'd be so tight.
	We could just all do that, because it should so obviously be celebrated, and it so obviously works.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Abso-fucking-lutely.
	Abso-fucking-lutely.
	Alright, we've got one more from Pennsylvania.
	Anyway.
	We go to court.
	The first lower court we lose, we go to intermediate court.
	This poor judge has probably been thrown off the bench.
	She actually ruled for us.
	She said, well, that was illegal.
	Because the Democrats said, oh, all the law says they have to be present.
	The law says both parties have to have someone present for the recounting.
	But they don't have to see anything.
	And she said, well, of course, they're not supposed to be there as a potted plant.
	It goes up to the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania.
	Logically, present should mean you get to see something.
	Supreme Court of Pennsylvania said, no, present, you can just be in the room.
	You don't have to see anything.
	Like, I just, yeah, mad.
	So this is from the ACLU who intervened in this specific case.
	Quote, on November 9th, 2020, President Trump's campaign filed a federal lawsuit against Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Buchvar and the boards of elections of six counties.
	The Trump campaign claimed that its election observers were unable to stand close enough to watch the count of mail and absentee ballots in several counties.
	The campaign also asserted that it was illegal and unconstitutional for only some counties to notify and allow voters to correct mistakes with the declarations on the envelopes of their mail and absentee ballots.
	The lawsuit asks the court to issue an order to prohibit the Commonwealth from certifying its presidential election results.
	We, the ACLU, then filed a motion to dismiss the lawsuit arguing that the plaintiff's claim about the technical irregularities could and should have been brought in state court earlier in the process when they could have been cured, and even if there were minor technical problems, the plaintiffs have produced no evidence of fraud or ineligible voters casting ballots to justify disenfranchising a single voter, much less 6.8 million.
	On November 21st, Judge William Brand dismissed the lawsuit, saying, quote, "This court has been
	presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations unsupported by
	evidence. In the United States of America, this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single
	voter, let alone all of the voters of its sixth most populated state." Unquote. And on November
	27th, the Third Circuit then upheld the district court's decision.
	I don't know who supposedly agreed with Rudy, I couldn't find them, but I somehow doubt they have been fired.
	Yeah, it wasn't in amongst the court filings anyway that I was sifting through.
	Wait, the judge, you say, was probably... Yeah, yeah, it wasn't in amongst the... Yeah, because it didn't appear in the process of all of this happening, and I was like, Yeah, I couldn't find her at all.
	And there's so many fucking legal filings for Pennsylvania.
	He knew.
	So he could have just Googled it on his little phone.
	I don't know, Russell might have yelled at him for checking stuff.
	Yeah, it's true.
	It's true.
	How dare you.
	How dare you check the facts.
	He could have mentioned a name.
	Anything specific would have been helpful.
	Because of the judge in the case, is what he said.
	I mean, whatever.
	It's not important.
	He lied.
	That's a lie.
	So here's the thing.
	I have heard, and we, and y'all know it, we've heard how MAGA people think voting is supposed to go.
	And so they think they have their idea in their head of what the poll, like the poll watcher is not supposed to see your votes or definitely a recount.
	I think that's what they go in expecting.
	They probably just ignore all the rules or they just show up because it's a public proceeding and you can just show up.
	Like people call them poll watchers when they just want to like fucking show up strapped.
	Yeah, they want to show up and be aggressive at the fucking election.
	Menacing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And dox people.
	That's what they want to do.
	There are multiple, multiple reports of this.
	I think they believe because of all of this rhetoric that is so genuinely extremely dangerous, completely wrong, and detrimental, On in ways that we will not even know about for until like decades down the road, right?
	Like we have no idea how bad this is actually going.
	It's bad.
	We know it's bad, but the scope we can't even we don't even know yet how detrimental this will be, right?
	So they think that poll watching or definitely a recount I bet they believe that, well, I want to see what the results of the votes are, not just the amount and the location from where they're being moved to and from, and if the recounters are following the rules.
	I think that they feel entitled to know which vote for who.
	Like an exit poll, but for the piece of paper, not the person.
	The amount of misinformation that made it to Megaworld, but then absolutely has trickled out into the general population, they don't know how the voting system works.
	Yeah, yeah, and it's funny how you bring up, you know, wanting to see every single individual ballot, because Rudy comes to the subject of Georgia in this next clip, where he should be very careful because, you know, he's a defendant in a criminal election racketeering case there.
	But yeah, he has some thoughts on the individual ballots.
	Now, the point of it is, same thing in Georgia.
	In Georgia, I never got to see a piece of paper.
	By me, I mean Republicans.
	No Trump person ever got to see a piece of paper.
	They fought us like hell.
	Every time they did a recount, if we were right, and there were 100,000 phony ballots in there, they were recounting the same 100,000 phony ballots that were put together like that woman said.
	Yes, yes.
	Okay?
	And the fact that they would never let me see it, Prove to me that there was something wrong with it, because if you're accusing me of doing that, and my ballots are pristine, I say, Russell, look at them forever!
	I might have ten people watch you.
	Like, you have no right to see the- oh my god.
	It does sound to me like he personally wanted to be able to look through every single fucking ballot in the state of Georgia, which is insane.
	He said no Republican saw a piece of paper.
	Done.
	Bye.
	You're lying!
	You're lying!
	Yeah, I will say there's a reason that all eight lawsuits Rudy tried to bring in Georgia were dismissed or dropped, you know?
	That's absurd!
	There's no merit!
	It's insane.
	Oh, also, yeah, let's remember that these are the same people who want to invoke HIPAA laws.
	For privacy.
	They have no concern for privacy and people's very sensitive information.
	All the information that is on your ballot, that's not, that should not be publicly accessible for a million good reasons.
	Oh, but they can't wear a mask and they don't want you to ask why and they refuse and they will throw a fucking fit because of HIPAA laws.
	Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
	Feels selective is all I'm going to say.
	Sure does!
	And what's fun with this case specifically that he's talking about, you know, with a hundred thousand phony voters or whatever, supposedly that's Trump v. Raffensperger, which Was voluntarily dismissed by Rudy and his team after the Supreme Court of Georgia unanimously declined to hear the case with Justice Harold Melton finding that, quote, Petitioners have not shown that this is one of the extremely rare cases that would invoke our original jurisdiction, unquote.
	Stop as soon as you possibly can.
	You gotta pinch penny somewhere.
	Fuck off.
	The amount of resources, honestly, with all of this, the amount of resources that are just getting pissed down the drain is incredible.
	That's another, like, I can't unsee it.
	It's just so gross.
	It's the like waste of time and money and money and energy.
	Yeah.
	Sanity.
	Like it's nuts.
	Yeah.
	It's crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I think it's negatively inflicted itself upon the rest of the world sanity as well.
	Absolutely.
	Fucking Nigel Farage was talking about mail-in ballots over here in this past election, you know?
	Like, that's how much it's fucking permeated the world.
	Jesus Christ.
	Well, fucking Grandpa Trickle Down isn't going to have a lot of good ideas.
	That's true.
	Grandpa Trickle Down, who loves Trump.
	Yeah, okay.
	We learn of a big swing from Georgia.
	Now, here's something very interesting not covered.
	Two months ago, It was revealed that 375,000 paper ballots in Georgia are missing.
	They're gone.
	Do you think I have any doubt that those 375,000 paper ballots are gone because they're incriminating?
	Because some of them were probably done by machines.
	We have evidence from witnesses.
	But not what you would call solid proof, like three witnesses who say three blocks away from the arena in Fulton County, Georgia, where the big vote takes place, there's a small little factory and they were producing ballots there because they didn't know how many they needed.
	And in some cases, they would actually use a machine because they had to get it done quickly.
	So the machine put the X or cross on the name Biden, did not vote the rest of the ballot.
	They didn't have time for it.
	So they said, if you go into the paper, you're going to find probably about 30 or 40,000 of these.
	But we never got to see the paper.
	Never got to see a ballot!
	Yeah, so there was a ballot factory that used a machine to put the cross on Biden's box but didn't vote the rest of the ballot, so they just voted the top of the ticket.
	So any of the people who only voted for the top of the ticket, if you find any votes that are just that and they didn't tick anyone else, that must actually be from that ballot factory in Georgia.
	Can't be that people didn't give a shit about the rest of them and they, you know, just voted for the president.
	Oh dear.
	Not good.
	Not good.
	No.
	No.
	It's actually really important to- the down- guys, also, down ballot.
	Down ticket.
	Important.
	That's absolutely vital.
	Yeah.
	And your vote matters in a way.
	It's more local stuff, right?
	Absolutely vital.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's just telling stories.
	Show the picture!
	Where is the place?
	And this was the problem I had with the 375,000 missing ballots complaint.
	I couldn't find anyone talking about that.
	Likely because Rudy is making it up.
	And that's why, oh, no one's covering this.
	Yeah, it's coming from your head.
	But it seems to be, I think, a repackaging of the lie that 300,000 ballots weren't delivered by USPS.
	And actually, they were just all missing delivery scans, which they didn't need.
	Which got removed, it was to speed up the process.
	That's the only reason that happened.
	But there's been a whole big, there was a whole big conspiracy that Ospus stole 300,000 ballots.
	It's a big conspiracy of people that don't understand the system type.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	And then I think he's transformed that into 375,000 ballots have gone missing two months ago.
	I just, how many of these witnesses are like wild-ass TikToks and dude's cars?
	Like really?
	Yeah.
	Show me ones that aren't.
	Right, right.
	I'd like to see ones that aren't.
	Or that aren't just fucking nuts.
	Like I'm saying, like a wild ass, just a TikTok from some dude.
	Basically.
	Because there was plenty of that.
	Or gal.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Plenty of those.
	They, them.
	Listen, anybody.
	All stripes.
	Yeah.
	So next, Russell finally interjects, but we at least have some good news.
	Well, listen, I've got to ask you two questions.
	I have detailed evidence of this.
	It sounds like it.
	Extraordinarily detailed.
	I've never known detail like it, but I've got to tell you.
	When you're in New York, I'll take you to my little music room.
	I have it all filled up.
	I want to ask you this, though.
	Rudy, if perception of that magnitude can be practiced, doesn't it, in a sense, undermine the entire process that we're currently undertaking?
	All of the giddy euphoria that surrounds this event and the presumed dissent of Donald Trump, it would appear, according to your analysis, could easily be undone by institutional electoral corruption.
	So what is going to prevent that, according to your argument and definition, recurring?
	Since then and now, we have put together as many things as we could think of to stop it.
	The law in Georgia has been changed so that the absentee ballots, when they come in, are going to be examined already.
	And that's because we have a Republican legislature.
	And we have an enormous number of people now, volunteers, trained.
	Turning Point, Charlie Kirk's organization, has taken on this mission.
	They're going to focus just on Michigan.
	Yeah.
	Rappensperger was a Republican.
	What is he talking about?
	I know.
	So we fixed it.
	We fixed it.
	The next elections are going to be better.
	And Charlie Kirk is helping everybody.
	He's doing so partly through TP action, and get a better name for it Charlie, where he's encouraging people to sign up to become precinct leaders or precinct delegators.
	And according to the TP website, precinct leaders have many goals.
	Registering voters, gathering petition signatures, knocking doors, observing polls, and organizing election results.
	If elected, precinct leaders vote for leadership platforms and help shape the future of their party.
	Now this is an official role within the counties, right?
	So essentially, Charlie is actively getting as many turning point shitheads into the election process as humanly possible.
	And the other thing he's doing is ballot chasing.
	and I'll read from the TP website directly.
	Quote, "Ballot chasing is our newest approach "to contacting voters who have already received
	"mail-in ballots to encourage them to mark their ballots "and make a plan to vote.
	"Our initiative will have huge numbers of door knockers "to win the ballot game at the mailboxes.
	"In 2024, Turning Point Action is looking to deploy "an army of 1,000 plus field organizers,
	"each responsible for tracking and chasing "key target ballots in battleground states.
	We hope our program can encourage and accelerate other organizations to do the same and work together for decisive victories in Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and beyond.
	Weird how mail-in ballots are now fine again, by the way.
	We fixed it.
	Yeah, I'm concerned.
	It seems like everywhere is going to be invaded by Turning Point.
	Yeah, but... There are steep... I mean, there's like... It's not steep.
	Probably not as steep as it should be, but like, if you don't follow the rules, You get in trouble.
	I had people calling me from the Secretary of State office after I worked the polls asking if my precinct captain did everything right.
	Right.
	I got a phone call and I got an email survey.
	Like, there's, I think there are people that are gonna find out, they can get in big fucking trouble.
	Unless, like that's the thing, is like, if they effectively flood every single office from the bottom to the top to manipulate every election, maybe there won't be a problem.
	But like, again, this is an older, like, I mean, as a tactic, like, and definitely, like, they can be intimidating and they can be kind of like, you know, I'm sure, like, I'm not saying that they'll be completely innocuous, right?
	Obviously, it'll be a problem.
	But like, we found out that the gal in Michigan was whispering, give me your photo ID.
	Yes.
	Someone is always watching.
	There are contingency plans within contingency plans.
	You're just going to have more people find out that it's really hard to cheat an election.
	It is so hard to do.
	And the ones that get caught are fucking Republicans making fake ballots.
	Listen, maybe Democrats did that.
	I didn't hear about it.
	They cheat on a whole different, like, they cheat where they know they can get away with it.
	Republicans are, like, rogue-ass Republicans with more money than cents are out there making fake ballot, like, drop-off sites, like, They're gonna find out!
	Most of voter disenfranchisement, just like Rudy Giuliani's legal intimidation tactics, used to be more effective because they happened in the dark.
	They happened out of the public eye.
	That shit's over.
	You're gonna find, like, there's a lot of people who are gonna find out that, like, they're gonna get in fucking trouble.
	Especially if they're, like, joining up for this, like, ideological reasons.
	Let me tell you, like, that was my experience was, like, these sweet, you know, like, sweet retired ladies who were Republican and watched Fox.
	And the end of the day, And I feel like my affiliation is pretty obvious as I walk into the room.
	You know?
	Whatever.
	But they were shocked.
	To a person.
	They're like, why have I ever heard anything about stealing a ballot?
	This is, it'd be very hard.
	Cause they witnessed the whole day watching.
	I mean, even Rudy said like you put an X on your ballot.
	No, you don't.
	You fill in a bubble.
	Shut up.
	Like, I don't believe any of these people, like your assistants vote for you and I'm sure maybe you sign the, you sign it, right?
	Like it's, it's just, If you're smart and you're doing mail-in, I don't know.
	The way that they talk about the voting system is from a parallel universe.
	And they're just going to find out.
	It'd be so tight if TP Action... I really hope so.
	Yeah, quality of name notwithstanding.
	It'd be awesome if they just taught way more people, spent all this money.
	Like I said last episode, Charlie Kirk is amazing at burning cash for dark money.
	He loves burning dark money.
	I looked at the amount of donations that he was getting for this effort specifically, and there are so many tens of millions.
	It's insane.
	Yeah, and from how many people?
	Probably all from like five.
	Yeah, like five.
	Yeah.
	So that's the thing is like, it'd be really great.
	Just accidentally mobilized a bunch of people that like, have convictions and be like, and teach this many more people than I witnessed in one day.
	Like, oh, Now I know how the voting system works and you are so full of shit, I'm never listening to you again.
	Or I'm going to keep following you and I'm going to be a menace in every single locals community chat until you are off the air.
	It's crazy.
	This is just... Yeah, if they all end up just like adhering to the rules, then fine, I guess.
	But yeah, my concern is more that they're going to be there to like Menace people.
	That's absolutely an issue, but you're also going to get in trouble.
	Like, the thing is, like, there's a lot of rules that you can't, like, and there's more than, I think, I mean, any job or whatever, there are more avenues to, like, to double check, right?
	Like, there are so many, like, contingencies in place.
	It is.
	People think they can get away with shit at work.
	Baby, you're not at work.
	You are, like, this is a whole other ballgame.
	And there's, like, there are so many, like, very strict, like, there are strictures on every single step.
	And they're gonna find out.
	And unless, like, unless you can really, like, like, it is so much harder to do than it used to be.
	So that's why they have to push with all this voter disenfranchisement and all these other ways, because they can't just, like, you know, the fucking cities aren't run by, or, like, towns, Counties aren't run by the fucking KKK anymore.
	They can't just waltz in and decide and make a decision every single election, which is the power they're used to wielding ultimate power through force and coercion.
	And that's just not... The system's too big.
	You have to adapt.
	Which I don't know how you do that.
	And I'm definitely not going to give him notes.
	But you know what I mean?
	There's a whole... And also, the states that are listed, right?
	We don't need to listen to what they're saying, but what they're actually saying, all those states that they're listing, you need to pay extra attention, keep on your toes.
	If you live in those states, this is your warning, you've been warned.
	Understand, if there are targets for these types of projects, they're telegraphing their moves.
	I'll read them again.
	Arizona, Georgia, Wisconsin, Nevada, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and beyond.
	So yeah, if you're one of those- They're telling you what they care about!
	From one of those states, maybe head over to the polls, you know?
	Go and work the election.
	That would maybe be good.
	Maybe be good.
	Next, Rudy wants to talk about the New York courts.
	Look, the good part is it isn't the whole country.
	The Democrats were very smart.
	They cheated in crooked Democratic cities.
	So they get crooked judges to decide the cases.
	And anybody that thinks that the lower court system in New York is really a court system is ridiculous.
	It's an appendage of the Democrat Party.
	It has been for 200 years since Boss Tweed was there.
	You become a judge in New York because the Democratic county leader appoints you.
	And there were times in which you paid him money.
	I put a few of them in jail.
	Those two judges on Trump's case have never been selected in any sensible way.
	The guy who says that Mar-a-Lago was worth 18 million when it's actually worth a billion, he's been elected three times.
	Without opposition.
	Which is like not being elected.
	The other guy is never elected.
	He's just appointed by the Democratic county leader.
	And in a political case, he has to rule for the Democratic Party or they'll bury him.
	I learned that in law school.
	I don't even learn that in law practice.
	My law professor used to say that.
	One thing you can't win in New York and the New York Supreme Court is a political case.
	Forget it.
	No matter how good a lawyer you are, you're gonna lose.
	He used to make a joke out of it.
	Sure thing.
	Sure thing.
	That's definitely a true story that happened.
	Excellent evidence.
	Right?
	And yeah, that's beyond a reasonable doubt.
	That's what that is.
	Yeah, he wanted Mar-a-Lago to be worth more because it makes Trump look more successful, but also it's worth more in like, you know, paying off fucking debts or whatever else that... Oh, leverage.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, but Trump doesn't want it to be worth more because then he's like...
	It seems like we're working at cross purposes.
	I just don't think he's a very good lawyer.
	Also, none of this is going to be a problem for Rudy anymore because he can't practice law in New York anymore, so there we are.
	But most of the judges in the lower courts of New York are nominated by their local parties and then are elected by the voters in the counties in which they serve.
	And if the opposition party knows it's going to lose and so doesn't run anyone, well whose fucking fault is that?
	Like if someone runs unopposed, well oppose them then.
	If that's an issue that you're going to take.
	Justices of the Supreme Court, which is New York's trial court of general jurisdiction, are elected by the voters of the judicial district in which they serve.
	Candidates do not run in primaries in that case.
	They're nominated by judicial conventions in their districts.
	And then vacancies on New York's highest court, the Court of Appeals, are filled via merit selection.
	So candidates submit their applications to the Commission on Judicial Nomination, a bipartisan body of 12 members.
	Four members are appointed by the Governor, four by the Chief Judge, one each by the Senate Majority Leader and the Assembly Speaker, and one each by the Senate and Assembly Minority Leaders.
	At least two of the Governors and two of the Chief Judge's appointees must be non-lawyers.
	The Commission evaluates the candidates, determines which deserve the designation well-qualified, and narrows the list of well-qualified candidates to a maximum of seven.
	This list is then forwarded to the Governor, who may choose only one from the candidates on it.
	The Governor's nominee is then sent to the New York State Senate for confirmation.
	All sounds fairly rigorous and democratic to me, but according to Rudy, no, no.
	It's like when Boss Tweed was in charge in the 1800s.
	You know, that massively corrupt politician.
	Listen, there are plenty of corrupt politicians, fine.
	Yes, yes, sure.
	Um, you know, not necessarily as openly as Boss Tweed.
	I'm in Chicago, yes they are.
	[Laughter]
	Fair point.
	Um, you might regret saying that in a minute.
	Um, also- I doubt I will.
	[Laughter]
	I will say, like, the parties have changed quite a bit since Boss Tweed, you know, was a Democrat.
	He was a Democrat under Andrew Jackson, you know, that's a different party.
	That's what I'm gonna say there.
	Oh dear.
	Yeah, yeah, and, well, I'm afraid to say Rudy does bring up Chicago in the next clip.
	Wait, wait, wait, listen.
	Alright, okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Okay, guys.
	Come close.
	Listen to me.
	How do I, you know, all those like, unqualified appointments or elected positions that we are constantly contend with?
	How do we get meet women?
	How do we do it?
	I'm down.
	How do we do it?
	I'm asking, it's an open question, I do want an answer.
	I respect y'all and your intelligence.
	I think we need to make you a Republican, I think is the answer.
	I think that's a good start.
	I mean, I'd love to hear a plan.
	Cause the thing is, is like, and part of what the fun, you know, the fun of like hearing about financial crimes and fraud and corruption is there's always a bunch of motherfuckers that like, I don't know, own a bead store or a gun range and they have no qualifications whatsoever.
	And I don't either.
	So like what?
	If they're already going to be fucked up, I'm fucked up too.
	Let's at least, let's get it, let's get, I'll get my hands dirty.
	How do we do it?
	Let's have a broader spectrum of fucked up so that everyone's represented.
	Yeah.
	No, I agree with that.
	I agree with that.
	That, that, that sounds like a more just world.
	I'll be entertaining.
	That I can guarantee.
	Mm-hmm.
	Mm-hmm.
	Free pizza on Fridays.
	All the soda machines are stocked.
	Class president.
	Lauren V. Let's do it.
	I do think, you know, in terms of numbers, then, yeah, signing you up to the Republican Party would be a start.
	Well, I mean, you know, let's find them vulnerable points.
	Like, there's so many positions that are, like, barely ever even fucking filled or are, like, there's so many defaults.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	Right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, let's get you one of those.
	Yeah, fuck it.
	All right, yeah.
	I can't do worse!
	I can't do worse!
	And as you mentioned, you're in Chicago, famously corrupt.
	I'm sure we can find you something.
	I don't feel safe doing that.
	I'm talking about like somewhere that's maybe more...
	Okay, a bit more reasonable.
	Any favorites?
	Yeah, just a little, just a little, just a little one around.
	I'm open, I'm open to all suggestions.
	All right, all right.
	Listeners get back to us.
	Let's turn this over, guys.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm very supportive, very supportive.
	Put on the whiteboard.
	All right, let's get to Rudy bringing Chicago into it.
	The New York court system is completely corrupted.
	By the fact that it's dominated by the political clubs.
	Rudy, how can the... And those are the cities.
	When I heard the names of the cities where they stopped the counting, I was with Newt Gingrich, I went crazy.
	I said, damn it, they picked the most corrupt cities in America because they're going to go before courts that say the present means you can be a potted plant, you don't have to say anything.
	They picked Philadelphia, an incredibly corrupt Democratic city.
	Atlanta, Georgia.
	Every other mayor goes to jail.
	Detroit, Michigan could be a joke.
	They didn't need to pick Chicago because Chicago was there.
	They probably cheated in Chicago for practice in case they'd be needed in another election.
	They probably cheated in Chicago for practice is what they did.
	That's a fun one.
	I like that.
	Why would you come here to practice?
	It's been perfected.
	And do you need any evidence?
	Nah, just probably.
	I mean, probably, right?
	They probably just cheated there for practice.
	That is definitely, definitely beyond a reasonable doubt.
	Probably.
	Why would I regret saying the Chicago thing?
	That's right.
	Yeah, this place is fucked up.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And how dare he not talk about our mayors that went to jail and our governors.
	I know, right?
	I was thinking that.
	We have prisoners too.
	We have criminals.
	More than most places, yeah, that's true.
	Probably just racist.
	He's probably just being racist.
	Yeah, that feels like a trend.
	Next, Russell clarifies the election fraud position for the upcoming election in November.
	So, they were very smart.
	This was very intelligently done.
	They basically cheated.
	In their home court.
	But this, you believe, cannot be practiced again because of regulatory measures, including those induced by a turning point, have been put in place.
	Mr. Giuliani... Could I just say... Of course.
	It can't be stopped completely.
	I think we can reduce it to an acceptable number that we can overcome.
	There will be cheating.
	I lost my first election, people thought, on cheating.
	I wasn't sure.
	Second election, I spent a million dollars on election integrity.
	And the people who did it said, we cut it in half.
	If you overcome 30,000 votes, you win.
	But I can show you 30,000 votes that were stolen.
	Sure you can, buddy.
	Sure you can.
	Please do file another lawsuit and prove it.
	But anyway, election fraud has been fixed, but there will be some.
	There will be some fraud, but it'll be in an amount where, you know, they can beat it.
	It doesn't affect the election results.
	Good to know.
	Okay.
	And I'm going to be holding him to this point come November if Trump loses.
	Because I feel like the position might change.
	Uh, I mean, they figured out that if, like, they convince all the MAGA people, or at least a sizable chunk of the MAGA people, that their votes are gonna be, like, it's gonna be fucked up no matter what, like, then they're not gonna come out and vote.
	Like, you're also undermining, maybe undermining the most, um, your base.
	Yeah.
	Your base is respect for and trust in the voting process.
	Yeah, if they think it's pointless, why would they go?
	And that's going to make them stay home.
	Yeah, why would they bother?
	Why would they bother?
	If they think, oh, it's all corrupted and fucking, you know, predestined anyway.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	They all got a hedge like this, like, oh, it's all fucked up and terrible and everything is wrong, but you totally still need to do it.
	But you need to go out there, because we can beat it, but also... Is that going to work?
	Is that going to work?
	But also, there will be cheating.
	No, no, it's definitely not.
	Also, all of his talk about the Democrats doing things in their home courts, blah, blah, blah.
	Many of the lawsuits were thrown out by Trump-appointed judges in predominantly Republican states.
	The Republicans were like, nah, fuck this, in many, many cases.
	Or even not fuck this.
	I don't think it's fuck... There's like...
	Guys, I still have a career.
	Yeah, step too far.
	And I have any amount of integrity, or I just, I can't, I can't get away with this.
	I can't swing it.
	It's not good enough.
	It doesn't pass the muster of a fake website from a man we've never met.
	It's not that good.
	We can't swing it.
	Yeah, that says something as to Rudy's standards of evidence, doesn't it?
	Well, yeah, whose fault is that?
	Rudy!
	Oh dear.
	And now, just before he leaves, we have a last-ditch attempt to defend Donald Trump in this next clip.
	I'll give you an example of that 50,000 votes, saying to Rosenberg, find me 50,000 votes.
	Donald Trump knew there were 200,000 questionable votes.
	In Georgia, dead people who had voted, people from out of town who had voted, the ballots that I told you about that were printed after the election was over, he had a whole list of them, not just from me, from Peter Navarro, other sources as well.
	So when he said that, he was saying, you know, there are two to 300,000 phony ballots.
	You can't find 20,000.
	That's what he was saying.
	Now, here's the interesting thing.
	The guy on the other side knew it, too.
	He had a report in his desk of all the irregularities in the election that wasn't discovered until a year and a half later with an FOIA request, which he hid.
	He had a report from his own people telling him how bad the election was.
	And he never disclosed it.
	We now have it, but the press pays no attention to it.
	Sure.
	Even if it's true, that could mean anything.
	Yeah, it was just a report of like standards.
	It's one that's like, it's fucking, it's a normal process to be like, hey, what was different?
	What went wrong?
	That's all that was.
	Yeah, there are multiple details of this that Rudy is getting really quite wrong.
	And what he was talking about, in case anyone couldn't decipher it, is the phone call from Donald Trump to Brad Raffensperger, the Georgia Secretary of State.
	The hour-long phone call joined by Mark Meadows, Rudy Giuliani, and plenty of others, right?
	And during the phone call, Trump maintained falsely that he had won Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, insisting that the certified election results were wrong.
	He said that Raffensperger should re-evaluate the election's results, citing a variety of different conspiracy theories about voting in the state.
	Raffensperger, in response, answered that the election results in that state were correct and legitimate and that Trump had got his data wrong.
	During Trump's attempts to pressure Raffensperger into changing the election results, Trump said, quote, I just want to find 11,780 votes, unquote, which was the minimum number needed to overcome Biden's advantage in Georgia.
	It wasn't some random number of ballots that Trump thought were fake.
	You know, it's the exact threshold needed to have beaten Joe Biden in Georgia.
	It's just absurd, the spin that Rudy is trying to put on this.
	And Trump also tried to intimidate Raffensperger, hinting that Raffensperger and his attorney could face a possible criminal investigation.
	Trump said, quote, you know that's a criminal offence and you know you can't let that happen.
	That's a big risk to you.
	Unquote.
	Yeah, that's coercion.
	That's potentially witness tampering.
	Those are crimes.
	The very crimes they are currently on trial for.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Good.
	Good.
	Wait, did the phone number case get thrown out or no?
	I don't know.
	There was a case in Georgia that just got thrown out that was it was fucked up.
	Yeah, there was an acquittal recently, wasn't there?
	There were two cases running concurrently about it.
	I mean, if we don't know, then someone's screaming it at us right now, and I don't have enough stuff in my head.
	It's fine.
	Let us know in the comments.
	My brain got a little bit fried with all of the election fucking lawsuits.
	Okay, one more clip, and we have Rudy finally leaving the show, and we have a cameo here from Maria Ryan.
	Rudy Giuliani, thank you for your tenacity, thank you for your verbiosity and your loquacity.
	What a joy it is to be around you.
	You see, this lady, the good doctor, she has been eyeing us for a while because you, sir... She's my president!
	Your president, this physician, this glorious human being...
	Who's operating that one?
	Thank you Jenna very much.
	This person here is quite insistent that you make your departure.
	I would happily listen to you because it seems like you have so beautifully chronicled your experience in government.
	I wish we had time to cover so many things.
	I'm going to be on your side of the pond.
	Will you come and see us?
	I hate when they say pond.
	On the other side of the ocean.
	Yeah, because that's an ocean.
	It's not a pond.
	That's a contained... It's the risary!
	People want to, like, feel very important.
	I'm going to cross the pond.
	It's only a pond.
	I'm enormous!
	Okay, let me see you swim it, Jackass.
	Yeah, we'll walk across it like our Lord and Saviour.
	Rudy, thank you so much for your time.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	I hope we will speak again soon, sir.
	You are!
	I really hope not.
	I also can't imagine what else Rudy Giuliani has to talk about, but I also don't want to find out.
	So that lady who came to retrieve Rudy was Maria Ryan, who has been a medical advisor, podcast host, brand ambassador, and many things to Rudy Giuliani.
	Mostly she seems to be his girlfriend.
	People in the inner circle of Rudy have denied this vehemently, however, In one of the recordings with Noelle Dunphy, you know, the woman he essayed, Rudy spoke at length about his relationship with Maria Ryan, claiming they'd had a two-year affair, but that she'd never leave her husband.
	The transcript captured Giuliani apparently speaking about Maria Ryan, telling Dunphy, quote, she has this tremendous connection to her family and she loves me, but she can't leave her family, including her husband.
	In addition to the fact it's been all this time and she's going to leave him, leave him, leave him, she's still there.
	I get along with him better than she does.
	Unquote.
	And Giuliani also recalled Maria Ryan asking him about a hypothetical scenario involving her husband, Robert Ryan.
	Quote, if we get married, could Bob live with us?
	The two of you seem to get along so well.
	Unquote.
	And Giuliani then confessed, oh, we've had this, like, affair for two years and I'm friendly with her husband.
	And after the transcripts release, Rudy's lawyer accused Dunphy's lawyers of deliberately leaving off parts of the conversation where Giuliani acknowledges that Maria Ryan's husband knows about the relationship.
	I'm like, huh?
	Would that change it?
	Yeah, well, it's fascinating.
	If it's all consensual and everyone knows about it, I'm like, eh, okay.
	It wasn't consensual for the reason that we know about it.
	The woman who like brought it all, like that's, she's not, she wasn't consenting.
	Oh no, no, no.
	His victim wasn't consenting.
	Not Noelle Dunphy.
	No, no, there's Maria Ryan.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Maria Ryan.
	Yeah, she wasn't consenting.
	She's the reason we know about it because she's the one that like, because it was her lawsuit.
	Consent's already off the table.
	Yeah, but I'm saying Maria Ryan, Rudy's relationship with her, and despite her being married, everyone knows in that situation and is consensual in that little trio, if you get me.
	Yeah, I do.
	What I'm saying is, because of even where we're getting the information from, and the pattern of behavior that this man obviously demonstrates, I'm going to default to not consensual.
	Because also it's still... It's still a work relationship, there's still a power dynamic, you know, there's still all kinds of things going on.
	She can be in charge of managing a lot of parts of his life and be able to tell him what to do in the moment.
	He's still her boss.
	So no, consent is not part of either of these.
	Now listen, if she wants to go work for somebody else, and they want to explore that, sure.
	But there's already a consent problem, there's already a hierarchical problem, and we're hearing it from someone who was victimized by the guy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
	That is fair.
	Fucked up!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Agreed.
	That's fucked up.
	There are problems with Maria Ryan, regardless of the situation.
	Dr. Maria is a nurse who has a PhD.
	Weird how that keeps happening, like with Peter McCulloch, that fucking British guy who I hate.
	However, her resume states that she obtained the PhD from Warren National University, a now-defunct, unaccredited school that used to be named Kennedy Western.
	In 2004, a Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs hearing focused on Kennedy Western University described it as an unaccredited school with academic requirements that fail to meet the standards of legitimate institutions.
	And then in 2009, her graduation year, the university shut down after the Wyoming Department of Education revoked its registration.
	Run her the wire.
	So she's a good reverend doctor.
	Exactly!
	A hundred percent!
	She goes by Dr. Maria on Twitter where she has denounced the coronavirus vaccine and lauded hydroxychloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment.
	She's also told the judge in Giuliani's bankruptcy case in a June 15th letter that she, Dr. Maria Ryan, was the former mayor's medical director and advisor.
	And more recently, she's gotten into the media business with Rudy.
	After their WABC radio show was cancelled in May, she announced a TV gig that launched on Frank Speech, a broadcast channel run by MyPillows' Mike Lindell.
	So it's going great for her.
	Cool.
	Oh, just yeah, just a pair.
	I mean, match made in heaven, honestly, I think.
	This is a work all around.
	Exactly.
	Well, she still doesn't deserve to be exploited by her boss.
	No, no, no, no, absolutely not.
	No, that's true.
	Awful, awful in other ways, but but doesn't doesn't deserve that.
	But oh boy, yeah, Rudy Giuliani.
	Wow.
	Well, you know what I heard was a lot of like, I mean, and you're right to like kind of like suss out the conclusions that he was who was driving at or like kind of what he was suggesting.
	But there's a lot of stuff he wasn't explicitly saying.
	There's a lot of stuff he was not.
	And I think that once a lawyer, always a lawyer, as far as learning how to communicate publicly and be able to give yourself enough wiggle room.
	There was a lot of stuff that you rightly, I think, attacked as the subtext of what he was saying or what he was implying.
	But he gives himself enough space Where he has room to move and say, oh, that's not what I meant.
	Oh, that's not what I meant.
	Oh, I'm going to go back and be like, no, no, no, you're completely wrong.
	Like, actually, we're going to go back and relitigate and just pick apart until he's still right.
	And he still isn't a liar.
	We need to understand.
	Being a lawyer.
	The point is not being honest.
	Because the other thing is, especially with all the discussions around Trump or any of these lawsuits, right?
	There is a discussion of the legal application and there is a discussion of morality.
	What's wrong or what's right.
	And we very often get lost in the sauce about what's wrong or right versus what is legally actionable.
	What's the contract?
	What's the contingency?
	What's the legal framework?
	And we have to understand and always remember Lawyers absolutely have the capacity to investigate and be moral and make moral choices and do things because, but that's not the requirement.
	A lawyer is making a debate about a subject to win an argument.
	And in that regard, he is nailing it.
	Oh, not nailing it.
	No.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He nails it sometimes.
	He used to nail it.
	It goes back to what Russell was saying at the start about narratives, doesn't it?
	Sure does.
	It's all spin.
	Yeah.
	And that can be a huge chunk of the legal battles, is how well you can present that argument rather than necessarily the facts.
	Yeah, well right, and that's the thing is he's making all these statements kind of like individually that could be very persuasive because that's what a lawyer's job is.
	Investigating is also not really their job.
	They hire investigators to investigate and then his whiteboard is not solving the crime, it's Assessing his argument to win the case.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's what his job is and I think he's like, it's really unfortunate to see when he does it correctly because then you know that he could probably do it right the whole time.
	So I'm not saying he's nailing it, right?
	But we know he's capable of doing it.
	Yes.
	He's using very specific, non-legally protected terms.
	Like, oh, that probably happened.
	Oh, it was a mess.
	Very different than making specific claims, dates, times, places, people's names, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And he definitely knew what he was doing, because he was throwing out, you know, three or four of these every minute, you know, and it just overwhelms and it sounds like, oh, he's got so much evidence, whereas actually, no, none of it's true.
	He's just throwing shit at a wall and being vague enough where, yeah.
	And he's ranging his conversation from Boss Tweed to last week.
	That's a lot of latitude.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he's still got some tricks up his sleeve.
	The old guy.
	But thankfully, thankfully, he's screwed up enough where he's got all these pending legal cases.
	So we'll see what happens there.
	That'll be fun.
	That'll be fun.
	It's amazing.
	It's amazing.
	I mean, but genuinely, like, they set out like there, they had a goal, right?
	Like you shoot for the moon.
	Like, they shot for the moon and they landed in the stars, and the stars is still a massively detrimental undermining of faith in the voting system and voting in general in America.
	They did a lot of damage.
	They're going to do it again.
	There is something to be said, I feel like.
	We're kind of exhausted by it.
	Like the same song and dance is not going to keep working to the same degree anyway.
	And there are a lot of protections that are like, there's protections that are being taken away, but those protections are being put in place.
	Um, and I think it's, I think it is reasonable to be kind of scared because it's very dangerous and these people have guns and they don't care what happens.
	Um, You know, they don't feel any responsibility for any of the damage that they very directly cause.
	And it's also very hard to prove.
	So protecting the public from their stochastic terrorism is extremely difficult.
	But it's not impossible.
	And I think, I don't know.
	I'm not excited about much of any of this election at all.
	Also, the DNC is gonna be in Chicago.
	That's gonna go fuckin' swell!
	Oh, Jesus, that's gonna be funky.
	So, right, so anyway, that, um, yeah, as history serves, uh, it went so good last time, um, but anyway, that, there's, I think there's a lot to be worried about.
	And I think that that is a valid feeling to have but you do have more agency than you think you do in these particular instances and I think a big part of it is just like talking about how voting works with people that don't know and I do think that there is an appeal to morality when they are like, specifically around voting and voting rights, you know, like poll watching, all that kind of stuff.
	These are people that are, they think that they are acting on their Their moral fiber, right?
	Like their moral judgments.
	They think they're doing the right thing by protecting the process.
	Righteous.
	Having watched it happen last time around, and it wasn't enough obviously, but like, well, it was and it wasn't.
	I don't know.
	I saw people, because of this crazy shit, become far more educated about how the voting system works.
	So potentially this time around, we're gonna carry that information through
	and then continue to build on it in this cycle.
	There are a lot of, you know, a lot of those like squishy Rudy Giuliani lawyer arguments
	that people aren't buying this time around that they were last time.
	Yeah, I like that.
	That's an optimistic take.
	I like that.
	It's something that's tangible and they're also getting any kind of legal ramifications to stick, especially for black women who were victimized in Oh my god, why did I almost say Australia?
	Georgia?
	Atlanta?
	Georgia?
	They were in Atlanta.
	It was in Georgia.
	There is a legal precedent that we can look to.
	There is positive movement towards someone's rights being protected that were violated around just being a poll worker and being active in their community, right?
	They were active in their community for a long time.
	They took their jobs really seriously and they did really good, but they're black ladies.
	So, and in Georgia, so people like Rudy Giuliani thought they were sitting fucking ducks and we need to show that they're not.
	Period.
	Absolutely.
	Yep.
	100%.
	Oh, right.
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