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OB #69 - Kari Lake

Former news anchor and candidate for Senate Kari Lake rounds off our coverage of Russell at the RNC. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - gityeractualgoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one, Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth and each week I go through an episode of Brand Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B. And I'm the co-host that has no idea what we're getting into today, but it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Or today?
	I can go first if it's an issue.
	How did I forget so thoroughly?
	Okay, yeah.
	I know, right?
	Our recording schedule is different this week and you'd think it would be such a problem.
	Go ahead.
	What's your good thing?
	I'll go first.
	Okay, so I had a small petty victory this week.
	So it's also a victory I think.
	My good thing is basically UK consumer rights because I forgot about a year-long free trial subscription that was due to auto renew for like 50 quid or something and it was a thing that I never actually got around to using but I was like yeah this looks fine I'll take a year free sure why not.
	And then I forgot about it.
	The money came out of my account the other day, and I was like, ah, for fuck's sake, okay.
	Money is generally tight anyway.
	I'm not quite at selling my blood, but you know, we're not that far off.
	And then I looked at the refund policy for this thing, and it was strictly no refunds on renewals.
	I'm like, fuck.
	Okay, great.
	That's a great policy to have.
	So I sent them an email anyway.
	They said, nah mate, no refunds.
	And then I remembered, yeah, we have consumer rights in the UK.
	So I looked up my legal rights in this specific case.
	That's crazy.
	What are you even doing?
	It's pretty nuts, I know.
	I feel like we're ahead of the curve somehow.
	So yeah, I looked it up and it turns out even after a free trial period, I have 14 days after money changes hands in the UK to request a refund.
	So I sent them another email being like, hey, so you know, you are legally obligated to refund me because I'm in the UK, which I think surprised this very American company, by the way.
	And it then got escalated up to management.
	The guy emailed me like, well, we don't usually do this, but we're going to make a one time refund in this specific instance.
	I was like, yeah, yeah, you probably have to.
	They say that every time.
	I know, right?
	They say that every time.
	That's because they're liars.
	Yes.
	Because it behooves them to lie.
	Indeed it does.
	They make a lot of money by lying.
	Yeah, they make a fortune.
	So yeah, it's a small victory, but thank fuck for the Consumer Rights Act.
	There we go, hey.
	No shit!
	Oh, man.
	Tight.
	Cool.
	Yeah, that's great.
	As we know, we got some software that fucking didn't work for shit on my end that was still trying to charge me.
	That's how I found out.
	Or not how I found out.
	I was reminded how long we've been doing this podcast because there was a renewal that my bank was like, this looks like bullshit.
	It is, in fact, bullshit.
	But it was such a fucking process to get it, you know, whatever.
	Anyway.
	Who knew regulation was a good thing, huh?
	Absurd.
	Well, yeah, right?
	I'm going to do a pre-good thing with a report back, because I desperately want to brag on this.
	It's not super duper that we've been getting so much rain and heat at the same time in Chicago.
	We kind of moved here and the one thing that we were like, oh, it won't feel like living inside of someone's mouth like it does in St.
	Louis.
	Those days are over.
	That is not happening anymore.
	Okay, cool.
	It's good and mouthy in the Chi.
	Mike and I were making dinner last night and at the kitchen sink and we're like, well, it's good while it lasted, wasn't it?
	Because it was definitely one thing.
	It was like, oh, I loved walking outside in the summer.
	You can be hot, but not also immediately wet.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Well, that's it.
	But anyway.
	I didn't know that that's how other countries experienced heat until I was like in my teens, because I assumed that everywhere was like walking through soup whenever it got hot, which is what it's been like here this last week.
	But no, other countries have dry heat.
	And I'm like, oh, that's awesome.
	Dry heat is fantastic by comparison.
	I live in soup right now.
	There are drawbacks.
	There are drawbacks.
	Yeah, there's differences.
	But yes, overall, fucking yes, absolutely.
	However, what's really great is, I don't know why I can grow squash well.
	It's not particularly enticing to the pest and vermin that I have no control over,
	to the point of absolute heartbreak beyond frustration, into full heartbreak.
	Heartbreak and anger, the stages of grief.
	But this year I was like, okay, because I accidentally grew zucchinis that would hide under a leaf and are like two feet long, like 4-H club, you know, county fair blue ribbon.
	And so I'm like, you know what?
	I'm just going to go for it and try spaghetti squash this year.
	And I've got one.
	She's looking real good.
	And like, it's happening.
	It was like nothing and it's happening quick.
	So.
	Nice.
	Is that me?
	Am I not on silent?
	God damn it.
	And so the political texts I've been getting constantly this week are wild.
	Anyway, sorry about that.
	I'm sure.
	So this is going to be a tentative, because usually this is the kind of weather that's awesome for tomato plants, but the tomato plants I got are not the tomatoes I expected.
	I don't know what they're doing.
	Neither do they.
	Okay.
	Never behaved like this before.
	And frankly, I'm not, I'm not enthusiastic about it.
	But I do have this like, absolutely gorgeous Pride and Play summer squash that I will report back as soon as I can take it off that goddamn plant.
	And I will, I will parade it about the digital town.
	Because I'm pretty thrilled.
	I'm pretty thrilled.
	Because it's also one of those things that like, They had more individual plants in the containers than I realized.
	Oh, okay.
	They're getting pricey.
	They already kind of were for like what, you know, if you're calculating dinner prices, but being able to just make some is tight.
	That's pretty great.
	Tentative future excellent thing is spaghetti squash production in my backyard.
	All right.
	Feeling very positive.
	Definitely still a good thing.
	Yeah, that's that's cool.
	It's great for some of these things.
	Tomatoes need to fucking get together.
	Yeah, I've always felt like they can be a pain in the dick.
	But you know, some people are better at it.
	Yeah, I've never been green fingered anyway.
	Tomatoes are like, they, specifically back home in St.
	Louis, I had like friends calling me like, please, we have to hack these, like, we have to hack this plant down.
	It's overtaking our backyard.
	That's what I was used to, is like, you think of the word tomato and you have like a problem on your hands.
	Oh, okay.
	Like mint.
	And it is not that way.
	So much better, because I did that too.
	I know.
	I did that too.
	I'm stupid.
	But yeah, that's strange.
	And that's the one thing that's like, oh, you just said it and forget it.
	And that's why I'm particularly annoyed with this tomato fucking situation.
	Y'all get it together.
	Get it?
	Together.
	Because that kind of has like significantly reduced my tomato consumption over the summer.
	Which I'm peeved about.
	But this isn't the peeved time.
	This is the good time.
	This is the good time.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Still, Tomatoes, get your shit together.
	Yeah, very much.
	Very much so.
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	the video will come up there too. So today, we have our final piece of coverage of the RNC.
	Thankfully, good lord.
	And our normal coverage will resume next week.
	In that vein, before I forget, our monthly live stream is taking place on Sunday 11th, Sunday, August 11th at 2pm CST, 8pm GMT.
	Everyone is welcome to come and join us on the YouTube channel.
	So please do come along.
	It'll be good fun.
	On YouTube.
	Yes.
	On YouTube.
	Yes, please.
	YouTube.
	YouTube.
	It's so fun.
	Yes, come along.
	Come along.
	It's great, it's great.
	We've had a blast both times we've done it so far.
	So this last piece of RNC coverage is an interview that Russell pre-recorded and released this week, kind of to my surprise, which is great.
	So the benefit of that is that there is actually a proper introduction, so let's hear it.
	Hello there you Awakening Wonders!
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	We've got some very special interviews that I grabbed while I was at the RNC.
	They're pretty fascinating to watch because they are, I would say, members of that party that have been influential in a variety of ways.
	One's Carrie Lake, who's sort of like a superstar politician who became disenchanted with mainstream media.
	And ultimately ended up running for a variety of political positions, one in particular of course, but she still remains a significant voice within the Republican Party and also got the ire of the mainstream media as you might have seen in this viral clip.
	You are just a sad case of a human being and I'm so sorry for you.
	I'm sorry that you bought into the propaganda.
	I hope that you'll look in the mirror and see that you've been following propaganda and you don't understand what's happening.
	So I'm guessing if you don't win in November, you won't concede.
	That's the rule that you're playing by now, is it?
	You are... I actually think you need your head examined.
	Can you answer that?
	I think you need your head examined.
	Now when I had a conversation with her, she was a lot more convivial, congenial, gentle, and downright reasonable.
	That's what's mad when you meet all of these fascists that the legacy media tell you you've got to hate, because they're perfectly reasonable people.
	Hang on, I'm just going to play the end of that so you can hear that, because yeah, it's absurd.
	Gentle and downright reasonable.
	That's what's mad when you meet all of these fascists that the legacy media tell you you've got to hate, because they're perfectly reasonable people.
	Yeah, they're perfectly reasonable, these fascists.
	Like, listen, the British aristocracy made that argument once already, thank you so much.
	That's not the side of history to be speaking into a microphone, sir.
	No, it is not.
	You'd think you would know better, but here we are.
	Do we have content for that clip that specifically is so funny?
	Who she's talking to?
	Yes, yes, yes.
	So I'll get to that.
	So we have Carrie Lake here, who as of yesterday actually won the Republican primary in her state of Arizona and is now the Republican candidate for Senate.
	Great.
	Today may serve as something of a demonstration as to why this lady should not be in office, but we shall see.
	Either way, hers is a key swing seat in this upcoming election, which makes things even more tense.
	And for the record, that reporter in that clip that Russell just played, she was spot on.
	Because back in 2022, Kara Lake refused to concede that she lost the Arizona gubernatorial race by over 17,000 votes.
	Instead, insisting that it was stolen from her and that the results were fraudulent.
	Oh dear.
	Basically...
	Any election that is lost by the Republicans was somehow stolen.
	That's pretty much her perspective.
	Yeah, we're ready for that.
	Yeah.
	For anyone who doesn't know who Carrie Lake is, because I didn't really, she's a former news anchor that kind of started going a bit nuts after 2016 and COVID really pushed her over the cliff's edge.
	She was one of the big voices crying about the 2020 election being stolen and a big voice in support of Jan 6th.
	Oh, and just to make a note, the other interview that Russell released in this same episode was none other than representative Jim Jordan, who is an outstanding piece of shit, but their conversation was pretty boring actually, and it mostly consists of Jim comparing politics to the sport of wrestling.
	Oh, so not reporting sexual abuse?
	Yeah.
	Right, right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So yeah, that was thankfully boring so we won't be looking at him.
	But still, you know, you look at that list of guests and you're like, ooh, this is going to a dark, dark place, Russell.
	Anyway.
	We could all only hope for the solidarity and got-each-other's-backedness of privileged predators.
	Wow.
	Wow, wow, wow.
	Well yeah, so that clip is an interview with Emily Maitlis on the newsagents.
	Yes.
	Which is what, in our first live stream, Sunil hit me to, to kind of keep up with the election.
	Right.
	And she's an awesome interviewer.
	Oh, she's great.
	She throws the fuck down.
	And now when I hear, like, I, you know, kind of, I picked up on it whenever You know, when the elections happened, and now I hear... And now that's like an endorphin trigger in my brain.
	Fight, fight, fight!
	Well, I mean, it's like, they're great.
	And she was the one that was like, she kept saying, like, I think the Americans really want a king.
	Wasn't that not the... Like, she's the one I've heard the most say that and make me feel less crazy, because at least someone's saying it.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, like, you know, I mean, I feel like a diversity of opinion is what, you know, informs and enriches your own point of view and kind of, like, reflects your values.
	So I'm not saying that any one person is, you know, the end-all be-all, of course, but the way that she can do what she did, like, I just wish that American reporters and interviewers Could stay on task in the same way that she does.
	Yeah, she's terrific.
	There is a Britishness, like a British ladiness that comes through that she's like, yeah, okay.
	For me, she's kind of, she's carrying on kind of the legacy of like what Jeremy Paxman used to do.
	You know, of just like, nah, I'm gonna sit on this and I'm gonna really fucking make you answer this shit.
	I'm not gonna get distracted.
	I'm just gonna stay on this point until you answer me.
	Yeah!
	Well, and she's got a good, like, you know, like, Marsh thing.
	Like, Be Reasonable and Marsh.
	She's clearly, like, entertained by the crazy things.
	It's almost Daily Show-ish.
	But that's because things are crazy now.
	Daily Show used to be a parody.
	That's not down to her.
	That's definitely down to the state of the world.
	Yeah, a documentary.
	Yeah, and so she just has that very, like... She's entertained by it, and when she talks about it later, she's like, Wacky.
	But in the moment, she's like very together, but not indulgent, which I very much like.
	I appreciate and I appreciate everyone that gave me the advice to listen.
	Because they all do great.
	It's great.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Terrific.
	Really fun that that's the first thing that we listened to.
	And that was un-fucking-hinged, by the way.
	I know, I know.
	Like, oh, I'm sorry you've been... Oof, oof.
	It's, uh, yeah.
	I mean, if I was having her on a show, that's not the clip I would have played, you know?
	Like, I don't see how that's supposed to be a victory for that lady in this, but according to this audience, you know.
	Yeah, I mean, it seems like he's saying, oh, counter to... I mean, if there had been any amount of, like, pushback or the question beforehand or context that made Emily Maitlis look like she was pushing, like, she was a reason for that kind of, like, response, I think that would work towards Russell's point that it's a counter, you know, it's...
	It's a counter to the person we're going to meet today, right?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It's fun to me that both the left and the right can watch that clip and think it's a victory.
	You know?
	That's how far we've come.
	That's fucked up.
	Okay, cool.
	Alright, let's hear the first question.
	Yeah, right, exactly.
	Let's get to the first question.
	Barry, thanks for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	I'm thrilled that you are here.
	You look amazing.
	I love your earrings.
	I love everything about you.
	It's extraordinary to meet you and to experience just how gentle you are.
	You being yet another one of the people that I meet in over this extraordinary experience that I've seen vilified and demonized to an extraordinary degree.
	It's been very difficult.
	I've also experienced it myself, by the way.
	I wonder what kind of impact that's had on your ability to remain faithful and gentle, having been subject to such coruscating judgment from the media within once you so safely, and presumably for a while, happily worked.
	Yeah.
	I don't like it.
	It's not my favorite thing, but...
	I know who I am.
	My family knows who I am.
	My children know.
	Those people close to me.
	And frankly, a lot of the people in the media, especially Arizona media that I used to work with, they know who I am and they know it's not the person that they are now broadcasting out there as.
	And I have to go and prove I don't have horns sometimes.
	But this is just the world we're living in.
	Do I wish it were a more gentle, Friendly world, yes, but we were born in this time, and I never questioned God.
	He put us here for this moment, and He never said it was going to be easy.
	When you're living the truth in a difficult time like this, you're going to get castigated.
	You're going to get canceled.
	You're going to get slandered.
	All of that's going to happen.
	But I know that the ultimate meeting, the one I will have with God someday, I want that one to go well.
	So I'm going to take any punch they throw my way.
	It just serves to strengthen us.
	It gives you more courage.
	Once you act courageously, then the next time around, you know what to do.
	OK, another courageous act and another courageous act.
	And along the way, other people are seeing it and they're saying, hey, maybe maybe I can be courageous, too.
	And that's why you see an arena full of courageous patriots here in Milwaukee.
	Celebrating the America First movement and there's tens of millions, hundreds of millions, I think, at home who feel the same way.
	Aha.
	An arena full of courageous patriots.
	I'm so glad that she feels empowered by the Lord God Almighty to be a murderous psycho hose beast.
	Great.
	Cool.
	Yes, yes.
	And I would more say that it's less like courage catching on and more bullshit catching on.
	But there we are.
	Difference in perspective, I suppose.
	Well, and acting like she isn't part, you know, like absolutely a party to the climate she's complaining about.
	Yes!
	Yeah, that's- Head in the fucking sand.
	That's a consistent theme throughout this interview, to be honest.
	Complaining about the world without any degree of introspection, but okay.
	Yeah, she should also probably check her maths a bit, because, you know, hundreds of millions of Republicans...
	Trump got 74 million votes in the last election, 63 million in 2016, though I did think this might help explain why she thinks all the election losses for the Republicans are fraudulent if she's expecting hundreds of millions of votes.
	At least 200 million, being hundreds.
	Right.
	Well, yeah, if you're expecting that, then you're going to be disappointed.
	That's fair.
	Maybe I found the root of the problem here.
	Yeah, and obviously, Russell, you know, just because someone's nice to you does not mean they're nice in general.
	Because Carrie Lake is actively campaigning at the time of this interview, we do get like, it's a little bit watered down compared to some moments.
	So, back in April, when discussing the current election campaign, she said, quote, The next six months are going to be difficult.
	If you are not ready for action, and I have a feeling with as many veterans and former law enforcement, active law enforcement, you guys are ready for it, they're gonna come after us with everything.
	That's why the next six months is going to be intense.
	We are going to put on the armor of God and maybe strap on a Glock on the side of us just in case, unquote.
	Ha!
	Okay, yeah, these fascists.
	Perfectly reasonable people.
	Ha.
	Cool.
	Thanks, Russ.
	Bloodthirsty.
	Psycho.
	Bloodthirsty.
	That's what I say.
	Yes.
	Yeah, she also considers abortion to be the ultimate sin and has the regular host of anti-migrant, anti-LGBTQ+, anti-BLM, and just anti-women ideologies that being an alt-right Republican comes along with.
	So that's just...
	Dope.
	Okay, so next Russell asks how her perspective on the media has changed.
	What was your perspective when you worked within media when you were, to a degree I presume, a darling of it and herald it?
	How do you go from basking, or indeed at least living, if not basking, I don't want to assume basking, you might have just been living.
	I love that word.
	Have a little bask!
	How did your perspective of it change?
	Because now, how do you regard the institutions within which you worked, and how will the reverse trick be done?
	Now, all of these people that love the movement of which you are a part, which will presumably come to government in November, this is my assumption, although I've heard that people don't want to be presumptuous, How will there be a true unifying process rather than one of vengeance and ongoing condemnation?
	I know there was a lot there.
	I got a lot.
	Okay, I'm going to go back to the first part of that.
	When I worked in the media for 30 years, 27 years covering Arizona, 22 is the lead anchor at the main number one station.
	I helped bring them to the number one position.
	I have a great relationship with the people of Arizona.
	Of course, I saw the newsrooms across the country.
	I started back when news was fair.
	You cover both sides.
	You keep your opinion out of it because I'm old school.
	I'm a little bit older than the average person in TV.
	But then I saw how the older people were kind of being pushed out and young people were coming in who just fresh out of J school, journalism school.
	They weren't taught that.
	They were taught to be social justice warriors.
	So that's how the shift where you went from newsrooms being a little more ideologically balanced to being 90, 95, 98 percent left-leaning or downright leftist.
	Okay, so newsrooms are 98 percent left-leaning or downright leftists, and Kari Lake would know
	from her experience in newsrooms across the country over the years.
	She's only 54, by the way, and began interning at an NBC affiliate in Iowa in 1991 while she was still attending the University of Iowa, so she can fuck off complaining about people coming fresh out of J-school for a start.
	But she then worked at a CBS affiliate, WHBF-TV in Illinois, Then an NBC affiliate in Arizona, another NBC affiliate in Albany, before in 1999 heading back to Arizona to work at KSAS-TV, otherwise known as Fox 10 Phoenix, where she remained until 2021.
	So she stayed there at a right-wing news outlet for 22 years, but somehow knows all about all these social justice warriors fresh out of J-school that are infiltrating newsrooms and are 98% leftist.
	Well, so Fox was the local affiliate?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, so there's a weird thing here that is not the Fox.
	Okay.
	It's a crapshoot.
	So Fox being the cable network is Fox.
	But with local affiliates, it's not the same.
	What's really crazy, yeah, well, what's really nuts is, for me, I had to do a quadruple take.
	Because, like, also we don't really do, you know, like, we don't take in that much, like, local news, you know, like, necessarily as we used to.
	So I can't necessarily speak to day to day.
	And I do want to shout this person out.
	She's amazing.
	Wait, don't have her name off the top of my head.
	But I'm sure a lot of you have seen clips that were on our local Fox affiliate in Chicago because the longest, most thoughtful clips, like there's some clips from, there's one that's like, Very long and wonderful, um, allowing, like, one of the protesters from, like, the, you know, student occupations a couple months ago, this, there was one of the, like, field reporters, you know, she was, like, reporting from the scene.
	She was probably giving the best local news coverage I saw anywhere.
	Um, of the students letting them speak, like, for at length.
	There's, like, a guy, and I'm sure a lot of y'all have seen it, with, like, kind of, like, mid-length, like, curly hair, little gingery, and, like, and kind of, like, turning over his shoulder and giving this really eloquent, interesting position,
	and she lets it ride.
	She's so... Like, she was asking good questions, super respectful, and that was our local Fox affiliate,
	which was the most generous coverage I saw.
	Um, I mean, and that's just anecdotal, but, like, it's one of the more generous...
	Um, you know, like, news anchors that I saw cover any of the, um, you know,
	you know, like the occupations, like student occupations.
	So.
	Interesting.
	It blew my, I was like, okay, just even seeing the Fox logo in the same font.
	I'm like, ah.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Immediate cognitive dissonance happening.
	Yeah, it's weird.
	So, like, assuming it's a right-wing outlet isn't necessarily, like, the local... I mean, so the consolidation of news networks under, like, Gannett and, like, Clear Channel, like, that's long since already happened.
	But it is a distinct difference.
	You can't necessarily like blanket say it's all Fox because it's just not.
	Okay.
	It's weird.
	It's a weird thing.
	Yeah.
	It certainly isn't.
	None of the affiliates that I'm familiar with.
	Yeah, fair, fair.
	to do with the cable news network other than like the parent company which obviously there's
	an influence but it's not you can't interchange one for the other.
	Yes yeah yeah fair fair in which case yeah I will I will I will hedge much more in the
	Fox 10 Phoenix.
	But I'm sure she'd be allowed to be as right wing as she was.
	Oh yeah.
	Arizona has no shortage of that, that's for sure.
	Also, according to her, in the 90s and 2000s, news was lacking bias.
	It was ideologically balanced, and you would cover both sides and keep opinions out of it.
	I have to ask, was that your experience of the news in those eras, Lauren?
	Because I don't feel like that's right, you know?
	Well, I mean, the Fairness Doctrine, it took a while to get eradicated entirely.
	And we've talked about before, like Rush Limbaugh had a massive hand in that, and that was the early 90s.
	So, like, 94, 96.
	so like 94, 96 he was really like before that like 91 he was like yeah yeah pushing that
	polarization because it was highly profitable it's what the algorithms have now figured out
	in social media is if you get people mad um and scared then attention your yeah your ratings are
	up so uh compared to now yeah it was incredibly rational Yes, sure.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I guess by comparison.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But that's a low bar, I would say.
	It's where we're at in this year, 2024.
	Good Lord.
	So next we get to why Carrie left the media and naturally get into some COVID shit.
	And so it was uncomfortable place to be to be kind of to the right.
	You know, when when Donald Trump came down that escalator, I said, this man is speaking not only my language, but the language of the American people.
	And I immediately I started really seeing it when Donald Trump came down the escalator.
	And I saw how people just churned on him, calling him things like racist and just the worst names and people in the news business.
	And I'm thinking, what did he do that was racist?
	I saw this pile on.
	And I was curious about it.
	I'm like, why the pylon?
	What is going on here?
	And it was so unfair.
	But I always push back and I always really push to be fair with whatever came out of my mouth.
	It was only during COVID that I realized I cannot get the truth out here.
	It's a half-truth here, a little morsel of maybe truth, but the government line here, only government doctors are pre-approved by the CDC.
	Could we put their line out?
	And I'm old enough to know what propaganda is.
	I mean, I have a study of history.
	My father was a history teacher.
	I realized one day, I've been working since I was seven, by the way.
	I'm from a big family.
	My family didn't believe in child labor laws.
	I started babysitting at seven.
	Back in the 70s when people would leave a baby with a seven-year-old.
	So I've been working my whole life and I finally, during COVID, with all of this insanity that made no sense, lifted my nose off the grindstone and I did not recognize my profession anymore.
	And I went to my husband one night.
	I was working from home because of COVID.
	They separated us out.
	We don't want to spread the cold virus.
	And I came out of my office one night after doing the news and I said, I can't do this anymore.
	Some of the things that they have put in these scripts are lies.
	And I know that's immoral.
	What like?
	Sorry to interrupt you, but what lies, may I ask?
	Well, I mean, lies about half-truths.
	So, half-truths like hydroxychloroquine is deadly and dangerous.
	It's been around for 60 years.
	It's one of the most safe drugs out there and it might have potential to help.
	Ivermectin is horse, you know, that kind of stuff.
	Pushing the Fauci line.
	Pushing the narrative, if you don't get the vaccine immediately, you're responsible for the death of your grandparents.
	And our little kids, if they get near grandma and grandpa, are going to kill.
	Peaceful protests when our cities were burning to the ground.
	That kind of thing.
	The pushing of fear on COVID deaths and COVID cases.
	Uh-huh.
	Fun fact, about 750 people have died from COVID in the U.S.
	in the last couple of weeks, let alone the over 1.2 million people that have already died since 2020 and the roughly 150 million people who have had COVID, a lot of which are suffering from the long-term effects via long COVID.
	Cold virus indeed.
	Thank you, Kari.
	It is fun, however, that when pressed to point out a lie that the media told about COVID, she had nothing.
	Like, oh, hydroxychloroquine is dangerous.
	Nobody said that.
	It's just that it does nothing against COVID-19.
	Ivermectin is horse-paced, but it's also an anti-parasitic drug for humans, too.
	Again, however, does nothing for COVID-19.
	The Fauci line was, you know, being responsible.
	And kids, like, if they had COVID-19, possibly unknowingly, and then passed it on to grandpa and grandma, could have been indirectly responsible for their grandparents' deaths.
	Yes, hence the line of, be responsible, everyone.
	Yeah, that happened.
	Yeah, it happened a lot.
	And yeah, as for the BLM protests, there were plenty of peaceful ones, usually until they got fucking tear gassed by riot police.
	God, this lady.
	I have to tell so many lies.
	You're in Phoenix.
	You need to worry about your city's burning in a number of ways.
	Yeah, right.
	And you don't care about any of them.
	No, no.
	It is interesting that one of her top contributors, in fact I think it was her top contributor to her 2022 campaign, was the biggest energy company in Arizona.
	I'm like, huh, that's curious, huh, interesting.
	A little bit sus.
	And yeah, Donald Trump isn't racist, huh?
	Okay, okay.
	Yes, yes.
	Calling him racist is describing his behavior.
	Sure.
	Not an insult.
	You're ugly is an insult.
	Yeah.
	You're a racist.
	Like, that's kind of mind-blowing to me that, like, this keeps coming up as, like, how dare you?
	Like, I mean, Tucker Carlson really, like, ran with that.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	This tie isn't ugly and I'm not a racist.
	Those are two very different statements.
	Sir.
	Yes, yes, yes.
	Racist is just describing and like if someone is telling you that a behavior that they observe is a racist behavior that you were doing, there's a very different reflection.
	Listen, if you love that tie, you wear that tie every day and you take it as it comes.
	But racism is quantifiable and very is able to be described.
	Yes, yes.
	And demonstrable, some might say.
	I mean, just a couple of days ago, him talking about Kamala Harris, right?
	Quote, is she Indian or is she black?
	I respect either one, but she obviously doesn't because she was Indian all the way and then all of a sudden she made a turn and she became a black person.
	Unquote.
	And that's...
	That's just a recent, more innocuous example from Trump's litany of racism.
	Yeah, I mean like, so he was here in Chicago on the 31st and I think it was the coalition organization of black journalists that kind of confronted him and it went so incredibly poorly.
	Who could have seen it coming, you know?
	I mean, you know what?
	I'm so proud that Chicago is, you know, like living up to what I expect the legacy of like civil, like there's a lot of terrible things.
	There's a lot of really good things that happened in Chicago for the labor movement and for civil rights.
	Absolutely.
	DNC here is, I'm not feeling super positive about how that's going to go still, but it's incredibly cool to have that kind of like matter of fact confrontation.
	And like, he's just, you just give him enough rope to hang himself.
	He doesn't have to say any of these things.
	They're just tumbling out of his mouth and he's allowing it to happen.
	Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
	No amount of explanation.
	No amount of, like, reply guy takes away the thing you said.
	Yeah.
	You said it.
	Yeah, I will say that there is an entire Wikipedia page dedicated to the racial views of Donald Trump.
	And one might suggest someone who isn't racist usually doesn't need one of those.
	Right.
	Anyway.
	It's not ad hominem.
	They're just describing your thoughts and feelings and actions.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And that is, I will say, that is a big Wikipedia page as well.
	It is long.
	Yes, it's the 70s.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, right.
	Oh dear.
	Okay, so now we get to Carrie Lake running for office.
	So we walked away.
	I never looked back.
	I never thought I'd be in politics, but the people of Arizona reached out and said, would you please run for office?
	We need somebody who's got courage, who's honest and understands the issues.
	And that's how I ended up in the world of politics.
	Yes.
	And again, immediately became the recipient of Great ire and a person that only consumes, shall we call it for simplicity's sake, the ordinarily available sloth and trough of vile slops that amounts to legacy media coverage.
	You would assume that you were kind of a villainous I was actually surprised though that they were so awful to me.
	At first I said to, when I decided to jump into politics, I knew nothing.
	I didn't know how to get into politics.
	I covered it for years, but I had to call the AZGOP and go, how do you run for office?
	I mean, would you know?
	And citizens should know because our founding fathers envisioned citizens stepping forward and running.
	It shouldn't be such a complicated process.
	Landowning men.
	Landowning men.
	No, they didn't.
	Yeah, they super didn't.
	And yeah, no, not any of that.
	That's profoundly not true.
	Yeah, the founding fathers almost unanimously derided the common man and wanted only the educated and wealthy to ever hold office.
	Very, very few states allowed men without property to even vote.
	They were very explicit about it.
	John Adams wrote about it extensively.
	Hamilton considered the working class to be ruffians and rogues.
	Washington was one of the richest people in the country and thought very little of the common man.
	He climbed to the top of the money pile.
	Indeed he did, with his 200 and some slaves.
	It was a system designed to give power to the landed gentry and keep that power within the upper classes, which it more or less continues to do today.
	Yeah, it's working great for that.
	It's really effective.
	Isn't it just?
	Yeah, and Carrie knew nothing about running for office, though, given that she left a seven-figure annual salary and has a net worth of over four million dollars.
	She's pretty good for the system of keeping the wealthy in power, I will say.
	Good candidate for that, at the very least.
	How was she explaining that the people of Arizona rose up and decided she needed to run?
	Is people of Arizona the name of the power company?
	Is that just the muddied interest being like, hey, we could we could make some bank off of you?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Oh, dear.
	So let's hear a little bit more about her campaigning experience.
	But I had to call and ask and I jumped into the race as As a fed up mom and a former journalist, and I had no idea what to do.
	I didn't know the first thing about it.
	And I just started, I announced I was going to run for governor at the time.
	And I said to my team, I'm not going to do any interviews because the fake news is so evil.
	When I walked away, they covered it.
	They got all the facts wrong.
	They made it, they tried to make me look bad for walking away from my career.
	And so I said no interviews whatsoever.
	I'm just going to ignore the fake news.
	And then I got talked into doing one five minute interview with the local station.
	It was a total hit piece.
	I recognized immediately the questions were just meant to It was going to be a negative piece.
	And inside, Russell, I was seething.
	I was like smoke coming out of my ears.
	I felt like I was losing control.
	I was just filled with anger that they were doing this.
	Not, why are you running?
	Why did you walk away?
	What do you hope to do and accomplish if you're elected governor?
	None of that.
	It was just all negative.
	I finished the interview.
	I gave him more time than I promised and I got on the phone with one of the guys on my campaign.
	I said, that was the biggest mistake I've ever done.
	I think I completely lost control.
	That's going to be a really bad thing.
	And as I'm talking to him on the phone, my husband is like re-racking the video and he pulls his headphone off.
	He goes, I don't know what you're talking about.
	This is brilliant.
	You burned the guy to the ground.
	And that's when I realized that I had the ability to turn the tables on the media.
	So we put that out and we started showing both sides of the media the nasty questions they ask because when they edit the piece they take their nastiness out and they just put your response.
	So we started turning the tables on them, putting the video camera on them, And that kind of became a little bit of our campaign.
	We are going to expose the fake news.
	I think it's one of the most dangerous entities right now in America because they've been lying and committing character assassination against President Trump and his supporters for eight years.
	How do you withstand that?
	No wonder people have TDS.
	When I see somebody who doesn't like President Trump, I'm not mad at them.
	I actually feel bad that they've been the victim of the largest smear campaign we've ever seen inflicted on one individual or one political movement.
	The largest brainwashing campaign.
	They've actually been brainwashed, which is a very powerful tool to try to turn people against one another.
	Uh-huh.
	Yeah.
	You didn't know I was going to talk so much, did you?
	No, I hoped.
	Is Russell on the payroll for all these?
	Wow.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, he was.
	I think Russell was definitely spacing out there.
	So.
	So we've got a little bit more agency removal here.
	So anyone who doesn't like Donald Trump is a victim of Trump Derangement Syndrome, or TDS, and they've all been brainwashed by the media.
	How convenient that anyone who takes issue with the man is just a brainwashed stooge.
	Makes it much easier for them, doesn't it?
	She's telling us.
	She's telling us that she had no idea how interviews were edited for the news.
	She's been in the news for 30 years, and she's saying that she magically had no idea how editing worked.
	Was clueless and is somehow claiming that she doesn't have, like, maybe the implication is that she doesn't have that media training.
	It sounds like Giuliani-itis.
	Giuliani Surprise Syndrome.
	A little bit.
	That a lifetime, a career, somehow, doesn't clue you in to the processes that you were a party
	to fucking every day as your job until you left that job and started doing something else
	shady and opportunistic.
	I think she found it a lot harder being on the receiving end of the questions rather than giving them.
	I think, and her interviews from 2022 were definitely a lot rougher than the ones she gives now, that's for sure.
	So she's learning, I will say, she's learning.
	Yeah, she was harping on there about a terrible interview she supposedly had with a local station and an interviewer who was really nasty to her.
	And for the life of me, I could not find an example of that.
	I spent a good while looking through old interviews with her.
	And I don't know who it was supposedly with, because she never actually says, nor does she say exactly when it was either.
	And like, the only interviews I could find regarding her 2022 gubernatorial campaign were ones asking her about her positions, the things she said on her website, and asking whether she'd concede if she lost the race.
	And the reason that last one comes up is because, you know, one of her biggest campaign points in 2022 was about the 2020 election having been supposedly stolen.
	I think she just thinks it's nasty or unpleasant for people to ask her about the things she said and the things she believes.
	Yeah, I mean, that's what's happening.
	She's describing her internal experience, which let's not invalidate anyone's feelings, but it doesn't necessarily mean that that's what actually happened.
	Yeah, she feels attacked.
	She's feeling very attacked.
	Sure.
	Sure.
	Yeah, because I mean, I'm sure she would describe that, like, Emily Maitlis interview as an attack.
	As an attack, yes.
	Because she had to, like, she had to resort to calling a woman crazy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And propagandised, you know.
	So with the loss in that gubernatorial race that she refused to concede in 2022.
	So this year, in February 2024, she was questioned about her claims about that election being stolen from her.
	To which she replied, quote, I don't know who exactly stole the election, but there are a lot of people who are running elections poorly and we've seen the results, unquote.
	And then in June 2024, so, you know, last month, an Arizona Court of Appeals panel rejected her appeal of a previous ruling which declared that Katie Hobbs, her opponent, had won the election.
	And then Brian Blem, who represented Carrie Lake in the lawsuit, was immediately suspended for practicing law for 60 days for lying to the Arizona Supreme Court.
	So it's going well.
	And she's still carrying on with it.
	That's the, you know, it's been two years.
	Like, dude, let it go.
	Anyway, next she raises a point I half agree with.
	uh... what uh... i got a sense that much there but one thing when you describe
	the process of turning the cameras on the media it seems like you've
	individually experience and participate in one of the transitions that's taking
	place i either kind of a loss of that centralized power and is
	uh... the and and how is becoming the disseminated and defuse that they've
	lost the ability to absolutely control the way that information is prevented presented the way the
	information is Their false narrative.
	Their false narratives are being lost.
	Thank God, by the way.
	Yeah, thank God for that.
	And it shows like yours.
	I mean, your show reaches more people than Network News.
	You know, Dan Bongino, huge numbers.
	They're reaching more people.
	Steve Bannon, before they silenced his voice and locked him up ahead of this important election, reaches more people.
	We're watching as the legacy media is collapsing, and they're trying to act like they're still out there and still all-powerful.
	I mean, she's right that like Russell, Bongino, Kirk, Rogan, all of these chuckleheads have way more viewers than most legacy media outlets.
	And again, when can we start regulating these dipshits?
	Like, the reason the legacy media are more respected is that they are regulated, albeit not enough in the US, I will admit.
	And there are generally consequences of some kind if they lie.
	Like just ask Fox News, their opinion of Dominion voting machines, and I'm quite sure the answer today would be no comment.
	Idiots like Russell are far freer to throw lies and conspiracy theories around with reckless abandon without a hint of legal action until they cross a line a la Alex Jones or more recently Tim Pool.
	Dear oh dear.
	Oh, and yeah, Steve Bannon had his voice silenced and was sent to prison ahead of this important election.
	Poor, poor him, having to face consequences for refusing to comply with several subpoenas to talk to Congress about Jan 6.
	I have, however, little doubt that the jail time he's facing now is going to be considerably less than if he had to talk about Jan 6 under oath.
	Maybe.
	Oh, dear.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, yes.
	Yeah, that is true.
	American court system.
	Heavy baby.
	Oh, dear.
	Anyway.
	Next, in a roundabout way, we get to the stakes of this next election from Kyrie Lake's perspective.
	And what we are, I think, ultimately experiencing is how this technology facilitates systems of government that are more, as you, I think, are alluding to, more open, more immediate, more accessible, more citizen-led.
	Yeah, you explicitly said more citizen-led.
	That is now possible.
	An actual, like an informed population participating, indeed what else would they do, in their own governance.
	Anything else is on the scale of authoritarianism and people are rejecting it and peculiarly It is this side of the bipartisan divide that is most commonly characterized as tyrannical.
	When I have much more fear now, digital feudalism, as Bannon would call it, and the kind of technological dictatorships that are being augured all on the basis of compassionately protecting us.
	And I suppose the pandemic period was when that reached a kind of febrile hysteria.
	We have to protect you so much that we're going to have to medicate you, control you.
	Lock you in your home if you dissent or criticize, you are in danger of being smeared and shut down.
	Censorship.
	And it seems to me that you have experienced your incubation chrysalis and metamorphosis during that precise period.
	Is that right?
	The censorship, what you're describing is the censoring of our voices and the shutting down of our voices.
	And the shocking thing was that members of the media were okay with that.
	And it's like, wow, you don't want other voices, you don't want other ideas to get out there.
	It's incredible what's happening right now.
	You know, we've got, I think what you're talking about also is like citizen journalists.
	We need citizen politicians.
	We need citizens to step forward.
	When our founders signed their death sentence, signing the Declaration of Independence, and we fought the Revolutionary War, and we won, and our founding fathers crafted the United States Constitution, one of the greatest documents ever written, and by the hand of God, The hand of God was on them.
	There's no way that that brilliance and that document could have just come from man alone.
	But one day, Benjamin Franklin came out, one of our founding fathers, and a woman stopped him, you know this saying, and said, Sir, what kind of a government have you given us?
	And he turned and said, A republic, if you can keep it.
	We are sadly, but also I'm glad because we're seeing some big things happening.
	We're in the if you can keep it part and we're seeing a beautiful thing.
	Citizens rising back up and saying, oh, hell no, we're not letting this country go.
	There's nowhere to go if America falters right now, if America goes down.
	Ronald Reagan said, if we lose this country, we will plunge into a thousand years of darkness.
	We are at a cross in the road right now.
	Are we gonna save this beautiful country, and in effect, I believe, save the world, or are we going into a thousand years of darkness?
	People realize that's how serious the moment is, and they're jumping in.
	Those are your two choices.
	Save the world or a thousand years of darkness.
	Well, that was all absolute nonsense.
	That was just words.
	Pretty much.
	She's hitting the points, though.
	Ben Franklin, Reagan, you know, save the world.
	As to the Ben Franklin quote there, he said it when asked if the U.S.
	had a monarchy or a republic, and he said it's a republic if you can keep it, right?
	And the point he was seemingly trying to make was that democratic republics are not founded just upon the consent of the people.
	They are also dependent upon the active and informed involvement of the people,
	though in their case, a very specific subset of people.
	Meaning like basically you lot need to be the ones making sure this stays a republic
	and doesn't devolve into a monarchy.
	Yeah, profoundly, fundamentally trying to maintain a system of government that was not divinely ordained
	by God, it's the opposite of what she is saying.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	Very intentionally so.
	And what she's trying to insinuate is that the Democrats are currently actively trying to change the United States from being a republic and therefore are turning it into a monarchy.
	So if you vote for, well, at this point Biden was still in place.
	If you vote for Biden, well, it's going to be a monarchy.
	And yeah, she's also accused Joe Biden and the Democrats at large of having a demonic agenda, by the way.
	And all of this is, of course, deeply ironic from a person who considers Trump to be her God-King.
	Especially when Trump has said he will be a dictator when in office.
	And there is a very genuine and reasonable concern that he will not leave office if he ever gets it back.
	Essentially, therefore turning the United States into a monarchy again, which these people seem to want.
	They want Trump forever.
	Okay.
	Genuinely.
	I've spent 40 years of my life being an American.
	Mixed bag.
	Sounds bad.
	Yep.
	And... Monarchists?
	Wasn't on my bingo card.
	Like, a resurgence of just this, like, groundswell of monarchists.
	Yeah.
	To be honest with you, didn't expect it.
	Didn't expect it.
	I mean, it's fascism, but like, really?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's the one thing that was like...
	Not the deal.
	Not the America deal.
	No kings.
	Yeah.
	I've heard plenty of cracks about, you know, King George coming in here and, you know, taking over and blah blah blah blah blah, you know.
	Yeah.
	I mean, we did do it immediately.
	Like, John Adams and John Quincy Adams.
	Y'all love.
	Yeah, patriarchal hierarchy.
	Y'all love the genetic hierarchy.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, you look at the Kennedys and everything else.
	Knock it off.
	I mean, no, it's not even worth getting into.
	I mean, but this is genuinely, it's like crazy and extreme.
	And it's one of these things that I've been looking around since I was a kid.
	What is what why do you can't even have different last names what are we doing like it's I I was I was born into a world that was already steeped in that kind of like it had already those that ship had sailed in a way that hadn't even been you know like 20 years prior was like not a thing this is a newer thing Yeah, yeah.
	It's very strange.
	It's very strange.
	Well, it happens to come up with the ascendancy of originalism and the Supreme Court and this kind of conservative underpinning.
	It's been a project for a long time, but it's still... it's just...
	You know, 4th of July shit, right?
	Memorial Day and Labor Day and all this, like, wearing flags and waving, you know, like, waving around sparklers and wearing your Old Navy fucking flag t-shirt and just being so stoked about getting a king.
	Like, wanting a king.
	Like, so bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	There's nothing patriotic about it.
	It's very strange.
	It's the actual opposite.
	I will say we have a king and a lot of people are pretty ambivalent about that, you know.
	It's not convincing over here.
	So, you know, take it from a country that has one.
	Yeah, wouldn't recommend.
	We didn't.
	We absolutely didn't.
	Yeah, it's true.
	Yeah, you're right.
	That was kind of the deal.
	Get out of the deal!
	Yes, I recall something about, you know, taxation, representation, something like that.
	It's a whole thing.
	So next, Carrie gets to talking about her supporters.
	I see it every day on the campaign trail.
	I see moms who have very little time.
	They're packing the kids' lunch.
	They're trying to make sure their kids have their homework done.
	They're making dinner.
	They're doing all the things that they do, and they're coming to our campaign and saying, I've got two hours every afternoon.
	How can I help?
	What doors can I knock on?
	Who can I talk to?
	How can we come together and save this country?
	It's such a beautiful thing.
	The media wants us to think we're divided.
	If we think we're 50-50 divided, then we're looking at people who are citizens with disdain, and they're our enemy.
	And the fact of the matter is, I think we're way more united, maybe 80% united, not 50-50, but the media has to keep this This lie going that we're 50-50 so that we'll stick in front of the TV set and be angry at fellow citizens.
	The only people we should be angry with is the media for lying to us and trying to further divide us.
	OK, so the only reason the country is divided is because of the media playing it up so they can get people to watch their shows and therefore make money off of said division.
	In reality, you are 80% united.
	You just don't know it.
	Yeah, we are on keeping abortion legal.
	Yeah, we sure are.
	Well, this is the thing.
	The media, both left and right, definitely exacerbate the problem, and in America have a tendency to dramatize a little bit.
	But realistically, the people the media are reporting on are the likes of Carrie Lake or Marjorie Taylor Greene, who actively promote the most hateful lines and conspiracy theories imaginable.
	I agree with her that the average people in the country probably are more united than they realize, but it's shitheads like Carrie Lake who are actively dividing the country by spreading their bigoted and hateful ideologies, which are inherently designed to divide people.
	Like, she was one of the many idiot alt-right people railing against drag queens in yet another stupid piece of culture war propagated by the right-wing to divide people.
	Like, don't tell me that's the media's fault, ma'am.
	That's you.
	You are the problem.
	Yeah, she's complaining about the thing that she's actively involved in.
	The thing that she's doing, yeah, exactly.
	That I would like people to understand, and I'm sure a lot of you, again, I trust your brains, because it's difficult, even the should have voted for Hillary Clinton thing.
	First of all, we did.
	We did.
	She won the popular vote.
	So if you think about the amount of people that voted all, which is a small percentage of Americans, and then even less of them, a minority of that percentage, voted for Donald Trump.
	Ever.
	Both elections.
	You're talking about maybe 15% that is doing the MAGA thing and is thinking that J6 is going to be this like revolutionary war, you know, 2.0.
	And they're being fed all this information from the media that's liberal bias.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, right.
	So it's funny to hear these numbers.
	Because it feels, because there's only two parties, that it's a 50-50 split.
	Yeah.
	But that's just because it's two-party, you know.
	That's looking at it from, like, from game day sports brain.
	Yes, yeah, 100%.
	Not how government should run.
	And then yeah, that 80% is pretty close to the 70 plus percent of people that are horrified that, you know, like Roe was struck down, horrified at these like constant, just total eviscerations of our civil liberties that keep coming through the Supreme Court.
	But yeah, there's 70% of people that are wildly unhappy with these policy choices and are So it's just the opposite.
	And there's maybe 15% of people that do have this amount of power.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Or there are hundreds of millions.
	Who knows?
	Anyway, it's a mystery.
	We shall never find out.
	Now we get to Carrie Lake's own personal political affiliations over the years.
	Is it true that at points in the last couple of decades you have been affiliated with and connected with Democrat Party figures and movements?
	Is it true that you voted for Obama and Kerry and stuff like that?
	I did not vote for John Kerry, but Obama, yes.
	And I'll tell you why.
	I had two little kids.
	I had one baby on one hip and the other baby on the other hip.
	And the Iraq War had started when my firstborn was born.
	I was actually really pregnant in the hospital when it was delivering Ruby when it was starting.
	And I recognized at the time, we rushed into this war, weapons of mass destruction.
	Turns out we were lied to.
	And we went into that war based on lies, and nobody ever, ever, ever did jail time for lying to the American people.
	So as a young mother looking at these two precious babies, I said, who's going to get us out of this war?
	Who's going to start more wars?
	And at the time, we had a newcomer named Barack Obama.
	Didn't know much about him.
	And we had John McCain, who I'd covered, and I know he, you know, being a kind of a war hawk and very much into that, I decided to take a chance on Barack Obama.
	She did.
	It's true.
	And I mean, since then, she's kind of reversed her position a little bit and has gone down the birtherism route with Obama, which is just lovely.
	Insisting he was born in Kenya.
	OK.
	And yeah, Kerry was she was a Republican until November 2006.
	And in 2004, by the way, she did support John Kerry and donated to his campaign, though she supposedly never voted for him.
	And she registered as a Democrat the day after Obama won the Iowa Democratic Presidential Caucuses in 2006.
	One could see that as possibly signing on to a bit of a rising star, because she then came back to being a registered Republican in 2012, which she has remained ever since.
	Like, whether her party switching, etc., was through genuine belief or not, it does feel a little bit cynical and a lot more like, just kind of go whichever way the wind is blowing.
	Well, there's nothing wrong with, like, voting for- if you see policies that you agree with and voting for that candidate.
	It was honestly far more common in previous generations than it is today.
	I could not give a single solitary shit who you voted for before.
	I care about the shit that's coming out of your mouth right now.
	Especially the birtherism stuff, which genuinely was like a thing I still, I cannot, it is so wild.
	And I've talked to Mike about this a lot.
	Like I had to check out a politics to a degree because that was like, I can't even, It was outrageous.
	It's so absurd that it was just it was abstract to me and I was working in tattoo shops every day and so I just had to like I had to turn that part of my brain either way way down or off because it was such madness and they're like I just couldn't even What?
	It was so bananas, so that's what I care about.
	It is so blatantly racist in its entire thing.
	I'm like, okay.
	I remember at the time, it was around the time I started getting properly engaged with American politics actually, and It was, I think, possibly the last thing I remember, the last good thing I remember Bill Maher having done was that he offered Donald Trump a million dollars if he would produce a birth certificate stating that he wasn't in fact the love child of a human and an orangutan.
	And I was like, yeah, you know what?
	That's not a bad bit in response to this racist bullshit.
	Yeah, no, exactly.
	Exactly.
	And the man has gotten decidedly worse over the last decade.
	But yeah, it was just fucking crazy.
	It's almost like money rots your fucking brain.
	Almost!
	Money and fame rots your fucking brain.
	Yeah.
	Money, fame, and age.
	What a lethal combo.
	Oh dear.
	So next we get a bit of chat about the great Ronald Reagan.
	I was a Republican from the time I was a child at 18.
	Because Ronald Reagan was the president of my youth, the great Ronald Reagan.
	We were born an hour apart, a few decades apart.
	And so he was just a great, great president.
	And so at 18, I registered as a Republican.
	And then when I voted for Obama, I became a Democrat for four years and then I became an independent.
	And now I'm back a Republican.
	I think we have the greatest Republican Party that we've ever had.
	I believe that the party of Lincoln is going to save our country once again.
	I call it the party of Trump, too.
	And I want everybody to know that.
	You know, we call it the America First Republican Party.
	I don't care if you voted for, you know, I don't care if you voted for Obama, if you voted for John Kerry, if you voted for Hillary Clinton, if you voted for George Bush, whoever you voted for in the past, if you are waking up and realizing that this is not working, what's happening right now is not working, and you want to have secure borders, you want to have a great education for your kids, you want to have safe streets, you want to have a peaceful world, not World War III.
	Then you are welcome in the America First Republican Party.
	Let's grow this and take our country back.
	It's less about being Republican and more about being American.
	Aha.
	So the Trump Party, who are going to take our country back, that movement is all about being an American, which then implies, well, if you're not voting for Trump, then maybe you're un-American.
	Hmm.
	Interesting, this whole language thing.
	Also, can I say how weird it is to say you were born hours apart, a few decades apart from someone?
	Like, what a strange way to be like, oh, we share a birthday.
	Like, almost trying to insinuate some kind of spiritual connection or, like, reincarnation kind of vibes.
	And also, it's not true.
	She was born on August 23rd, 1969.
	She was born on August 23rd, 1969.
	Reagan was born on February 6th, 1911.
	Oh my god.
	Ah!
	What?
	I'm closer.
	I'm closer.
	I'm a week away.
	I think Mike is a day away from sharing a birthday with Rankin.
	Oh, bullet dodged.
	How weird.
	How weird is that?
	I mean, if we're going by those rules, I am the legacy of Burt Reynolds.
	Let's party.
	Which, honestly, kind of checks out.
	I'm not going to say no.
	That's not bad.
	That's not bad.
	Oh, check your factoid!
	It's a cute factoid, but it's also wrong?
	It's wrong, I know!
	I mean, again, money and fame, I'm not gonna sign on to age, there's plenty of old people that actually know what they're doing and they're very smart and have wisdom.
	But money and fame will indulge you to say shit like that!
	It's an unforced error!
	Don't say that!
	Yeah, and I bet she has been saying this for years, you know, and you're like, hang on, you're a journalist.
	Did you not think to just... We all make mistakes, but come on!
	I feel like the documentary Anchorman, I don't know if you're familiar, might give us a little insight into what TV news anchors are up to.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, we'll read anything on the autocue, yes.
	I mean, not all of them.
	Not all of them.
	Dear, oh dear.
	Yeah, she continues about Reagan in this next clip.
	Very disarming and brilliant.
	I really enjoy the way you've still got them anchor skills, huh?
	Turning, stick it down the barrel, deliver that straight down there.
	Someone pointed and said, that's your camera.
	You know, it's also good.
	I feel that I ended up in this Kind of by accident that people asked me to jump, and I thought, okay, I'll jump into politics.
	And I look back at all the gifts God gave me in my life, from being in a big family where you have to learn you don't always get your way.
	When you have nine kids, you rarely get your way, but you have to learn to work with people.
	Growing up in Iowa, which is one of the most friendly states in the whole country, and you learn to befriend and talk to people and not be afraid of people, but want to learn more about them.
	Going into journalism, which is about digging into issues, And learning and then putting a story together to explain what you've learned.
	Being in Arizona for 27 years, getting to know the people, the issues that are important, all of that I've been able to use in politics.
	We need some good communicators in Washington, D.C.
	to communicate what is so amazing about the America First movement.
	We have something to tell the people and it's we have the solutions and we just need some good messengers to tell them.
	Ronald Reagan called himself the great communicator.
	And boy did we need him when he came on the scene, because Carter had left us in an ash heap.
	And through his gentle optimism, beautiful faith, great spirit, and patriotism, he said, we're going to get through this.
	We don't have to worry.
	America's gotten through tough days before, and let's come together.
	Trump tried to do that in his first term, and I believe the deep state and the media prevented him from doing that by demonizing his supporters, scaring people from publicly supporting President Trump.
	Because they knew if he brings this country together, it's game over for the corrupt swamp.
	It's game over for the corrupt media.
	And now look where we are.
	We're starting to come together and their agenda is falling by the wayside.
	Aha.
	That Donald Trump was prevented from uniting the country and draining the swamp because of the nefarious Deep State actors.
	Yes, yes.
	Has nothing to do with Trump being the swampiest of swamp people actively cutting his own taxes while in office.
	Ha.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	Yeah, the media hanging on his every word.
	Every single word.
	And putting every single thing he said and did on TV.
	Yeah, that really worked against him.
	This Reagan shit is very specifically galling to me, coming from Russell.
	Because whenever we first started this podcast, it was like, this was my Russell point of contact.
	Was the 2015 documentary, Emperor's New Clothes, in which, straight up, the second half, Russell is just bitching, like, Looking down the barrel of the camera and saying, boo Reagan, boo Thatcher.
	It's their fault.
	These are their problems.
	It was the thesis, which I was like, yay!
	Hooray!
	That's the political ideological connection that I was bringing before all this 2020 shit started happening and Russell figured out a different way to make money.
	Yeah, yeah.
	That's exactly the opposite.
	Yes, yeah.
	And I want... Lucy has some splainin' to do.
	Truly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It is interesting.
	He will raise a point about Reagan in a minute, but it's not to do with economic policies.
	And you're like, huh, how strange that you seem to have forgotten your main point of several years ago.
	Huh.
	Interesting.
	Almost like it serves your interests to just, you know, be a bit selective.
	Okay.
	Yeah, also, I do love the mythos of Reagan being the great communicator, by the way.
	Like, in his second term, they basically had to poke him with a stick to get him to say the right stuff.
	Like, he was terrible at communicating.
	You know what that means?
	Yeah, he was.
	Awesome TV host.
	Yes, right.
	Hired by General Electric, an actor, to be a very effective TV host.
	Yes.
	So sure.
	Yeah.
	If we want to define that term, I'm happy to.
	Super duper TV host.
	Well, what's interesting is that Kari Lake here is trying to essentially insinuate herself as the next Great Communicator, saying like, well, I've got all these skills that God gave me, is how she's putting it.
	She's got a long way to go.
	And I'm a Great Communicator, we need the next Great Communicator that can go to Washington.
	So she's essentially trying to cement this idea that she's somehow like the next Reagan or some kind of spiritual successor.
	Oh God, I've got bad news for him.
	No, no siree.
	You do not have the juice.
	Yeah, no, no.
	So next Russell raises, as I say, a good point about Reagan.
	You know, it seems really clear to me that there is significant opposition against the military-industrial complex and against big pharma, some pretty powerful forces.
	There are points, of course, where I'm listening to you, Carrie, magnetized as I am, where I have to deploy my discernment when it comes to, for example, the presidency of Reagan, when I think about Iran-Contra and the Various institutional problems that come, I believe, with government, even though, of course, one of his many mantras was the reduction of the size of government.
	I feel that the insidiousness of power, in a broader sense, is to do with something spiritual and profound.
	And I'm watching this, I feel fascinated to be inside this convention and to be able to have these extraordinary conversations.
	The thing that I, not cling to, but move towards most is my Growing yet new faith in Jesus and the sense that if we are able to locate something of that, not only in the discourse, but the implementation of these ideas, some incredible changes might take place.
	Absolutely.
	And when you're Christian and living the Christian life and truly living as a Christian, you will be criticized.
	Yeah.
	Even though it's about peace and it's a beautiful religion and Jesus Christ was our Savior, but you will be criticized.
	And I think people are afraid to truly live as Christians, and we have to look to our Savior, Jesus Christ, and we saw what happened to him.
	And living our faith is going to be difficult, but it's important.
	I think this is how we actually help to save our country and bring more people to salvation.
	But it's not going to be easy.
	God never said it was going to be easy.
	I don't think anywhere in the Bible does it say things are going to go easy for you if you are a believer.
	It doesn't say that.
	Okay.
	So Russell is expecting, he's, Russell's like, well, I know I have no good feelings about Reagan.
	And they said a lot of bad things, but divine intervention.
	Yes.
	I'm expecting divine intervention to give me a reason to like Reagan in front of you fucks.
	That's what he's saying.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Um, yeah.
	And also, uh, somewhat unsurprisingly part of Carrie Lake's mission appears to be Getting as many people as possible to be Christians.
	Which is not, you know, that's par for the course with her views, I would say.
	But as a Christian, you can expect a degree of persecution in America.
	People are afraid to be openly Christian in America, supposedly.
	Uh-huh.
	Okay.
	Sure thing.
	I can't.
	No.
	No.
	It's been real.
	I gotta go.
	The entire history of your country disagrees, Cary, but okay, fine.
	Also, yeah, I would call it a sidestep of talking about Iran-Contra and all of that, but because of Russell's endlessly obtuse questioning style and just fucking skipping past it, that's less a sidestep and more just like, let's talk about Jesus.
	Because otherwise this isn't going to go well if we carry on talking about Reagan.
	That's a really great microcosm of the game plan.
	That's kind of what I thought and what I saw.
	It's like, that's exactly what he's trying to do.
	It's like, well, I know that religion can turn my brain off completely.
	I need to stop these thoughts.
	I'm looking for that thought-stopping moment, that thought-stopping phrase that will allow me to get on board, because right now I'm not all the way there, but I'm a babe in Christ.
	Maybe it'll show up.
	I've already got the prosperity gospel thing down pretty good.
	He's reading the book.
	Yeah, it's just not a good idea.
	It's gonna even even like a shicy liar is like, I can't spin this.
	Y'all are just saying the opposite of the book.
	Yeah, I don't.
	Y'all got to tell me.
	I gotta prey on it because it's not coming to it's not obvious.
	No, no, he's definitely having some teething troubles, let's call it that.
	Okay, so next Carrie leaves the show, but not before talking about her book a little bit.
	Oh, you have to go?
	Where are you gonna go?
	I'm going to be doing a book signing relatively soon.
	It's called Unafraid.
	Do you seem unafraid?
	You know what?
	I don't think I've always been unafraid.
	I mean, I think it's natural, but what I've learned about fear is when you approach something you're afraid of and you work through it, then you're not afraid of it anymore.
	Thank you.
	You did say that at the beginning, that once you've experienced and practiced courage.
	It gets easier.
	I am changing my prayers, though, lately.
	I used to pray, God, give me strength.
	And God, when you pray for something, He always answers your prayers.
	And I found that when I was asking for strength, God was giving me difficult things to work through.
	And I finally said, okay, God, I think I'm strong enough now.
	Help me find joy in all of it.
	That's my new prayer.
	I just want to find joy.
	I don't want to ever be kind of hardened by it all.
	I want to keep that softness somewhere.
	So now I'm like, God, I think I'm strong enough now, God.
	Give me a little, make sure I'm finding the joy in it.
	Thank you, Carrie.
	I've been told that we have to move along.
	It's so lovely speaking with you.
	It's such a pleasure.
	What a joy.
	You're amazing.
	Thank you.
	You are.
	We all are.
	We all are.
	So Carrie Lake, she wants softness and joy from God.
	Does seem like she needs a little bit.
	Seems a tad hard and joyless.
	So keep up with those prayers, Carrie.
	I do, however, want to talk about her book before we leave.
	I haven't had time to read it, so I'm going to read from the Guardian review of said book.
	Quote.
	Unafraid is a grievance-packed audition in Lake's tireless quest to be named Trump's running mate in 2024.
	He wrote the books forward.
	Donald Jr.
	is her publisher.
	Like her idol, Lake is simultaneously embittered and energized by the electorate's rejection.
	The pair occupy the same wavelength.
	Reality is an inconvenience.
	Unafraid is bile-filled and breezy.
	Introspection takes a holiday.
	Lake trashes high-profile LGBTQ plus Americans, embraces Paul Gosar of Arizona, one of the most extreme and incendiary members of the Republican Party, and demands national unity at the end of that.
	Lake does nothing to mask her antipathy towards Biden and gay, lesbian, and transgender members of his administration.
	She singles out Pete Buttigieg, Biden's Transportation Secretary, and Karine Jean-Pierre, the White House Press Secretary, for particular opprobrium.
	Buttigieg, she writes, couldn't even fix the potholes in South Bend, Indiana, where he was mayor, but became Transportation Secretary just because he was gay.
	Unquote.
	Well, well.
	I'm terribly sorry I missed out on reading the full thing.
	It sounds like a romp.
	Swinging for the fences.
	No kidding.
	Thanks.
	Alright.
	Oh dear.
	So that's potentially the next senator for Arizona.
	Good lord.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean she's a news anchor.
	Like she's giving Yeah, yeah.
	One thing Russell said, you know, you've still got that training, right?
	It's like, yeah, this does.
	This does feel a lot like an interview with a news anchor.
	You know, it does.
	It does feel like that, which is.
	Yeah.
	Those people can be robotic and completely inhuman.
	I mean, I don't think that necessarily translates to.
	Instant success or popularity.
	Just having a long-standing career as a news anchor.
	I don't know that it really... I don't know.
	That's a lot to hang on that job when maybe people fucking do not like you.
	Yeah.
	That's a little much.
	Yeah, seems a good chunk didn't enough that she lost the 2022 election.
	So, we'll see.
	These fucking losers, man.
	These fucking losers just cannot take a hint.
	They keep going.
	They're just hammering away at it.
	It's even worse.
	Sore losers as well, like to not concede, even now, two years after.
	I'm like, Jesus Christ.
	Okay.
	Well, I think that's kind of implied.
	It's like, yeah, if they're not going away, they're not taking a hint that you're, this isn't, you're not the one.
	This isn't for you.
	That's crazy.
	That's one thing that I have been thinking about.
	Like, I think that we're all, we've all been kind of on this ride that is very fucked up.
	And I just cannot remember politics being so like, When, you know, growing up and younger times, no one's taking the L anymore.
	There was at least a like, okay, well, it didn't work.
	I gotta go back to my job.
	You know, I gotta go back to my fucking VC firm or whatever.
	Fucking freak show.
	Damn, I've gotta go back to making millions.
	It's just the insistence on like, No, I will win.
	There's a practicality blind spot that, to me, is so telling.
	Y'all are having to work so hard.
	There is a square peg, round hole-ism about it.
	Yeah.
	Like, there's a lot of, like, attempts until you win, right?
	Yeah, I mean, Donald Trump, contrary to mega-belief, ran for president a bunch of times before it worked.
	Tons of times, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And, I mean, you know, he owes that to, you know, like, fucking WWE and, like, reality shows, what really made that effective.
	But, like, I don't, I mean...
	It's really strange and jarring and obviously that kind of representation of that attitude comes from the top down.
	Trump refuses to quit and refuses to take a hint.
	I've heard a fair amount of observations in my media diet that his heart's kind of not in it.
	Yeah, right.
	You can see it, you can hear it, like he's just kind of playing the hits.
	Especially since Biden dropped out, you know?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I've seen the meme of like Trump sadly staring at a picture of Biden, you know?
	Crying.
	Yeah, that's the thing, the taste of blood in his mouth, the hunt was on.
	That's Biden's blood.
	I don't think he knows, I don't think he has the same kind of juice for Kamala Harris.
	And TDS, we didn't necessarily explain it, it was Trump Derangement Syndrome.
	Trump Derangement Syndrome.
	For listeners that were like, TMJ?
	TMZ?
	I'm gonna put forth Giuliani Surprise Syndrome, GSS.
	GSS.
	Is people that have had decades of high-level experience.
	And you can have all the experience and expertise, all the reading, right?
	Claiming to do all the reading in the world.
	That means nothing If your behavior doesn't reflect it and you can't demonstrate understanding of any of that experience, information, expertise.
	I don't care how many copies of that book.
	I don't care how many of them books you read and all this stuff you've taken in.
	If you cannot demonstrate, if you can't explain like I'm five, you don't understand it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, truly.
	That's not to say that's not attainable, but claiming expertise when you can't explain some shit simply, then you don't have a grasp of it.
	You just don't.
	And therefore, you can't put that on your resume.
	Well, it's claiming expertise and then claiming that you're being attacked whenever someone asks you about your supposed area of expertise.
	And then when you basically, in Rudy's case, almost literally melt in the face of questioning.
	You know?
	It's like, oh, okay, yeah, maybe...
	Maybe it doesn't matter that you have all this apparent experience.
	Maybe you just shouldn't, shouldn't be there.
	Yeah, the just, like, digging your heels in, being obstinate and doubling down.
	That's not what an expert does.
	Like, I have expertise in a few things.
	But more importantly, I don't want to talk about myself.
	I don't think that's necessarily appropriate.
	Talking about people that I know are experts and have nothing to prove.
	Their behavior is very specific.
	Yes.
	And they act like they have nothing to prove.
	And they don't have to tell you that they're experts.
	They don't have to tell you about all this experience.
	I mean, certainly, especially if you're running for office, you have to plug and say who you are and blah, blah, blah.
	Sure, sure.
	Julie, honey, maybe a little less.
	We all watch TV.
	We know.
	We were there.
	Or we heard about it, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	The youngs are popping out, reminding me how old I am, talking about 9-11.
	But like, you know?
	I don't like don't tell me your resume don't tell like if if it's if this is how this goes oh yeah they're an expert just ask them that's a problem that's a problem just demonstrate that you have a grasp and that you can apply the expertise you have accumulated Yeah, yeah, and I will say the other defining characteristic, I think, of every expert that I've ever spoken to is that they are responsible when they convey their information.
	You know, if there's something that they're not sure of or they don't know or that could be even just like 1% maybe not, you know, they'll say so.
	You know, and I feel like that's not what we get from Kerry Lake.
	Hmm.
	I mean, I don't see it very much on the show at all, but, like, yeah, the humility to, like, that's the thing.
	And we, you know, a couple off-brands ago, we talked about this a little bit, the Fabergé egg of ego.
	And it's not just, it's not gendered.
	That just happens.
	And genuinely, like, social media and the internet has made it a much worse problem because the stakes are so high about being right or wrong.
	When really like most quote-unquote right or quote-unquote wrong answers aren't even really black and white in the first place but that kind of doubling down and being like I just I don't see people who I have experienced like in professional life or whatever like they don't have that kind of like scramble to be right and definitely If they get new information or if they ask a question, they're not expecting one answer.
	Being confident in your knowledge and ability, it does come with time.
	It does come with experience.
	Yeah.
	And so being able to admit, yeah, okay, maybe not.
	Like, yeah, it's not hard.
	I don't, but you know what?
	That's not true.
	I think it's very difficult for a lot of people, but you're spinning your wheels and you're wasting your time.
	And I don't, and it's also like unintentionally, extremely like rude and condescending and mean to shout people down because you are confronted with a different perspective.
	That's really... Yeah, yeah.
	It's a showing of kind of obvious insecurity.
	You know, the clip that was shown at the start of her, you know, saying to Emily Maitlis, like, oh, yeah, you're propagandized, you know, like, oh, oh, honey.
	Oh, you don't agree with me, so you must be crazy.
	Yes, exactly.
	That's the only explanation.
	Not a good stance to take.
	You've made me feel insecure, so I'm going to have to attack you.
	And you're like, okay, okay, honey.
	Oh, she's not attacking.
	That's the thing.
	And that's, this is the thing that she was really effective at.
	She's like, she over and over, she's like, I'm not attacking.
	I feel sorry for you.
	Yeah, right.
	I feel so much pity.
	I'm so benevolent to feel so much pity for you, the misunderstander,
	because obviously I know better than you.
	Like the implications of a lot of that stuff I don't think really come across.
	If you are just digging your heels in, not listening to somebody,
	not entertaining what they're saying, not even letting it enter your mind
	because of that insecure ego thing.
	You are calling that person stupid.
	Yeah, oh, a hundred percent.
	A hundred percent.
	It's like dehumanizing for that person.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	And trying to place herself in a position of moral authority at the same time.
	The whole thing is... I don't know.
	I see that and I think, wow, what a big old dick.
	That's all I get from that.
	Oh dear.
	Well, I mean, I think that's even letting her off the hook.
	Just being a dick doesn't, it's not an effective way to take over a political campaign.
	I think there's more calculation than that.
	Yeah.
	Maybe you're right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's easier to get into that mode.
	It's like, it's like automatic writing, you know, or it's like, it's, it's being slain in the spirit and the shamala hamala.
	You don't even have to think about it.
	Your ego and lizard brain takes over and you just, Are saying what you need to say, like Emily Maitlis, you are crazy and need to be committed to mental institution rather than like answering a question.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Because Emily was correct, and she refused to concede.
	Oh dear, oh dear.
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	If you're on Facebook, there's a cool Facebook group full of lovely people there.
	On Brand Awakening Wonders is where we're at.
	And if you prefer more anonymous browsing, head to Reddit.
	It's onbrand underscore pod over there.
	Cool subreddit with lovely humans over there.
	Socials, we're theonbrandpod.
	If we're except for where we're not, look for the logo.
	And personal socials, I'm at AlWorthOfficial and Lauren is at may.buy.lauren.b And if you click the old link in the description, you can purchase a magnet surrounded by gold.
	Real life actual gold.
	We sell gold.
	Leave.
	That are really cool and can be shipped anywhere you like.
	Okay, we will be back Thursday for the regular show and then we've got our live stream on the Sunday the 11th.
	So everyone come out for that.
	That'll be super cool.
	Okay, thank you for sticking with us.
	Take care of yourselves and each other.
	We love you very much.
	Thank you.
	Henry Kissinger is still dead.
	He's dead and bad.
	Bye!
	That's not win-win-win.
	That's lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie.

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