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July 25, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #66 - Dan Bongino, Nigel Farage & Charlie Kirk

Russell at the RNC produced interviews with some genuinely terrible people, and here's three of them in the same room. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - realactualgoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one, Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand's Show with my co-host Lauren B. Ah, that's me, I'm Lauren B, and I sniffed into the microphone right before you started talking, so I'll go kill myself.
	I'm no longer the host of the show.
	I'm gonna go jump off a cliff.
	I'm so sorry.
	Anyway, I'm the host that doesn't- You officially become the co-ghost at that point.
	Yeah, right?
	Yeah, I'm the co-host that has no idea what we're getting into, but it's unusually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Oh, the heaviest of asterisks on my good thing.
	But I think it is a relief and I think that's been the general consensus of everyone I was talking to.
	I was at events this weekend.
	I was working a booth for a friend of mine who's an artist also and sells brewery type things and does a lot of artwork for breweries and it was one of the bajillion Chicago Street Fest, where they sell lots of beer to very sunburned but lovely people.
	That sounds fun.
	So I think we were all like, well, at least this thing is good.
	Grandpa can go to bed.
	Joe Biden is no longer weekend Bernese-ing about for this election, which is...
	I think we're all just taking a little, like, I think as soon as we take that breath of relief, we're like... Yeah, fresh waves of anxiety creep in, yeah.
	We're taking what we can get, we're taking what we can get, but at least that decision was made, and it's well before November.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I think that it is, and like for...
	I don't make my kind of, like, judgments about what humane choices should be made, because whatever Joe Biden may deserve as, like, justice-wise, I still don't think it's okay to abuse an old person, regardless of who that old person is.
	No.
	And it just was tough to also watch, and that's not necessarily the real, like, it can be tough to watch, whatever.
	I didn't feel okay about treating an older person that way.
	Any older person.
	And that's for our integrity.
	Everyone else's integrity of not behaving in a cruel way.
	So, guys, I'm finding the silverest of the silver linings here, but it is at least The right choice in that regard was made, and I think we're so used to the right choice not being made, I think that we can at least have a little bit of relief that that isn't happening anymore.
	It's very interesting.
	You know, unprecedented, all this other stuff.
	But yeah, I think the overwhelming response that I've seen has been relief.
	Um, you know, like, oh, thank fuck for that.
	Okay, let's let's get someone in there.
	Who has more of a chance of winning, potentially.
	Surviving.
	Surviving.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
	You know, and yeah, the fact that the right thing was eventually, possibly, begrudgingly done, you know, that really is a positive thing.
	That is a good thing.
	It absolutely is.
	You know, and I saw the take from Amanda Palmer that, you know, had it been reversed and had Trump been in power and been going through the same thing, there's no way he would have stepped down, not in a million years.
	And I was like, huh, Yeah, that's absolutely true, actually.
	Yeah, okay, cool.
	So, you know, someone kind of actually, again, albeit possibly begrudgingly, putting country first, you know, that's something.
	That is something.
	Just even making the most basic, obvious, right choice of taking Biden out of the running Like it's, I don't, you know what, I don't, I, I'm not going to describe any positive motive.
	I can't, I don't think I could go that far that anyone made like a moral decision who was in the decision making process.
	Yeah, it could have been completely cynical.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And I'll take that.
	Like, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna get my hopes up even that far.
	I still think it's, but even being able to, like, I haven't seen them be able to make a cynical right choice.
	Either.
	Yeah.
	So, uh, that's at least something.
	And of course, holding my breath still.
	So we're all just getting a little, you know, we're all getting a little blue holding our breath, but.
	Yep.
	Tentative good.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Tentative good thing.
	So what's your good thing?
	My good thing is much more benign, but I, you know me, I like to play a video game every now and then to try and relax because it's been a week, everybody.
	Things have been a little busy.
	And one of the things that I've been enjoying is Lawn Mowing Simulator on my Xbox, which I've been allowing my inner Hank Hill to flourish.
	You're going to have to explain it a little bit.
	Do you have to go get rocks out of the lawn first like we did?
	Yes, you've got to go around and look for stuff out of the lawn first.
	So you've got a business is the idea and you know it starts out with just you want a lawnmower and then you're going around and you've got to build up your reputation and you hire people and that kind of thing and you go around.
	Yeah, right, basically, and you go around and you mow people's lawns.
	And the process of it is very, very relaxing.
	So that I've quite enjoyed.
	You know, it sounds absurd, and it is.
	But I really enjoy it!
	I need a minute!
	I need a minute!
	Having been confronted with the reality that this exists.
	I mean, of course, it makes sense.
	Of course it exists.
	And better, it's good as well.
	That's the even better part, is that it's actually, it's fun and relaxing for me.
	And yeah, I have multiple times said the line to myself, why would anyone do drugs when you can just mow a lawn?
	Um, yeah, because King of the Hill is fantastic.
	I would make that connection.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.
	Yeah, that's really funny.
	That's it's like it seems like a mini game within Animal Crossing.
	Animal Crossing already already seems like very benign, but also I played it on the GameCube.
	Right, right, right, right, right.
	It's a lot more complicated these days, but not that much.
	Yeah, not that much.
	No, no.
	I could spend a lot of time shaking trees.
	Like, way too much time shaking trees, so.
	Yeah?
	Yeah, easily, easily.
	Oh, man.
	No, it scratches a very specific itch.
	I get that.
	Yeah, and I already finished Power Wash Simulator as well.
	Are you fucking with me?
	Are you lying right now?
	I'm not, I'm not.
	I have completed that game twice.
	Yeah, I have a power washing business and you go around and you clean stuff.
	And it's fantastic.
	I don't know how we're gonna record a show.
	We need two hours on this now!
	This is new information.
	Well, I think I just need to sit in a dark room and cope with my feelings.
	It's genuinely fantastic.
	That's the weirdest part.
	Yeah, and it's just very relaxing just going around cleaning stuff with your little power washer and all that.
	But yeah, I'm on the lawn version now.
	I mean, I did pet portraits, so I painted pet portraits.
	Yeah, you understand monotonous repetition.
	I've drawn hair for Kali, like fur.
	I've drawn fur, which I had to plan days of like, I'm only painting fur.
	To try and explain, have you seen any of those videos of people powerwashing stuff on the internet?
	Oh, I love it.
	Exactly.
	But they're real.
	Yes, they're real.
	45 to 90 seconds.
	Except this time, you get to be the one doing it, and it's the same kind of satisfying feeling, and you can do it for hours.
	I powerwashed.
	Oh, I powerwashed.
	In IRL.
	Yeah.
	The thing they don't tell you is how...
	The water has to go somewhere.
	Yes.
	It's always more than you think.
	Exactly.
	And I see, I don't have to deal with that in the game.
	See, I just, it just magically disappears.
	And then the video, well, the videos, they have equipment, but like, you're like, oh, these sneakers will be fine.
	They won't.
	No.
	They never will.
	No, no, absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	No, no.
	So, yeah, that's what's been chilling me out.
	All right!
	Across the weekend, anyway.
	All right!
	Ah, dear.
	Anyway, we have a show to do.
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	And this week, Lauren led us through Russell's potential forms of Christianity and why he's pissing off almost every Christian, as well as looking at Alf, of course, and the Halo app as well.
	Wild, everybody!
	Oh, it's fun.
	It's wild.
	I was very surprised at what- I was and I wasn't, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	There's always a little bit of infighting and that's part of the fun, but it's pretty nuts how far it's going.
	I mean, you know, like, it's the thing is, like, you expect to, like, flip over a rock and find weird bugs, but it's still always a gamble as to which bug you might come across.
	Yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	A little bit reeling still from what I found and I wish I had a six episode miniseries to go into it, but I still managed to cover as much as I could.
	That is fair.
	And if anyone wants to look at a little kind of microcosm of how the many forms of Christians are feeling about Russell, I posted a clip to our socials and the TikTok one, especially some of the comments on there from various forms of hardline Christian, get fucking nuts.
	They're not thrilled.
	They're not thrilled.
	No, no.
	Right out the gate was something about Protestantism being from Satan.
	I was like, okay, this is interesting.
	This is a good first comment.
	Let's see where this lands.
	I mean, if you get to make up your story, the sky's the limit!
	How creative!
	What's fun is that a bunch of these people are now following us on there, and I'm like, I'm not sure this is the account for you, but you know what?
	Fun's a word!
	We'll see how long you stick around!
	Please do!
	Maybe we'll all learn something, hopefully.
	Ah, dear.
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	It's really interesting.
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	Ha!
	Now, this week, well, there's been no avoiding it.
	The Republican National Convention happened, and Russell was there in Milwaukee, along with a cabal of terrible Rumble creators.
	Notable in his absence was Steven Crowder, who apparently sent a stooge along to do his bidding instead.
	Which, kind of funny.
	In any case- Are you seriously too busy, dog?
	Really?
	I did see he did like a livestream like almost after the fact and it was just him sat on a couch in his studio.
	I'm like, you don't look busy, Steven.
	What's going on there?
	What was the situation?
	Anyway.
	Milwaukee's lovely, how dare you?
	I mean, really?
	Yeah, I don't understand why he's not at least like, you know, clout-chasing like the rest of them, but anyway.
	Russell was there, rapid-fire interviewing just the worst kind of people you can think of.
	Yep!
	Yep!
	Sure was!
	And so this week and next, because there were a lot, we're going to be having a little special look at some of those.
	Let's get into it.
	So first up is a familiar face, at least, and I'll let Russell introduce them.
	Hello, welcome to a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand at the RNC.
	Over the course of the next hour, we're going to be joined by a carnival of extraordinary guests.
	But will we ever retain the heights of this moment now with Charlie Kirk, who quite literally is a towering individual.
	Charlie, it's lovely to be with you today.
	Someone said that I was part of the Nephilim, which is the old giant people that used to Those giants, from what I've read in scripture, they carried on in a saucy way.
	That's correct, yes.
	They made off with the daughters of man.
	In Genesis 5, I believe it says that.
	Maybe earlier, Genesis 3 maybe.
	They were right there in the middle of Genesis, those great towering giants.
	It was actually Genesis 6.
	Anyway, that is correct.
	Charlie Kirk is back, and yeah, he's apparently a giant from the Nephilim.
	Jolly good.
	I almost, almost got very distracted looking into the Nephilim or giants and how their
	mythology likely originated from the Hebrews contemplation of Transjordian
	megalithic structures in the Cyclopean masonry walls of Canaanite cities with some being 18 feet thick.
	I very nearly disappeared down that what- it's a very historically fascinating rabbit hole.
	And then I remembered, ah yes, we have Charlie Kirk to deal with and I'm probably just wanting to look at this rather
	than having to tackle the bigoted asshole in front of me.
	Um, anyway.
	Get it.
	Also the way that like, religion developed and amalgamated other earlier polytheistic structures
	kind of seems obvious if you learn about it and is actually its own kind of fascinating but-
	Yeah, super interesting, just from a historical perspective.
	Yeah, that's the limitation to modern Christianity, unfortunately.
	You don't seem to see those connections in a way that's like, they're evil instead of like, ooh, neat.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	Rather than, oh, that's a fun little tidbit.
	No, no, no.
	Anyway, the top alt-right podcaster is back.
	And if anyone needs a refresher, head back to episode 48 when we dealt with him the first time.
	So, let's hear Charlie's perspectives on the Republican National Convention.
	Mate, how have you found this RNC so far and how do you manage the inevitable sort of sense that there are power games and power wrangles and sometimes the sense of the corruption that is tempting for partisan figures, which I figure that you are to a degree, to Well, look, I mean, right now we see the party more unified than ever.
	And, I mean, as far as, you know, myself personally, just trying to stay sane in the midst of all of it.
	You know, it's really amazing, though, to see JD Vance become vice president last evening was a refutation of the Bush-Cheney warmongering nonsense.
	And seeing that on full display, because the Republican Party was the party of war my entire life, since I was born in 1993.
	The Iraq War, the Afghanistan War, and to have someone get on the main stage and say, yeah, we're not going to engage in endless wars and we will use our strength when necessary, but the Iraq War was a mistake.
	I mean, that is a recalibration, Russell, the likes of which that we could not have predicted, let alone five years ago.
	Okay, the Republican Party is still the party of war, Charlie.
	It's just, you guys keep pretending they're anti-war in very specific scenarios.
	And with that, let's take a look at J.D.
	Vance's perspective on these things.
	Yeah, I know.
	We knew we'd have to deal with him eventually.
	It's an all-around horror show, that guy, but he's being touted as an anti-war VP, according to these people.
	So he's on the record as having supported the Iraq war at the time, though has now changed his position on that score saying he'd been lied to and that the promises of the foreign policy establishment were a complete joke.
	Fair enough, not really too much of a problem with that.
	When it comes to Iran, last October he said it would be a mistake to go to war with Iran and a significant escalation.
	Okay.
	However, he has very recently pronounced his support of Trump's 2020 assassination of Qasem Soleimani, the Iranian Major General, that Trump killed with a drone strike.
	Along with nine others.
	Yeah, real anti-war.
	That Trump guy, by the way, just assassinating generals.
	And as for Russia and Ukraine, J.D.
	Vance wants all U.S.
	funding to stop and at the very least for significant chunks of Ukraine to be given to Russia.
	Vance said, quote, a return to 1991 boundaries is fantastical, unquote, meaning the boundaries in existence before Putin stole Crimea in 2014 and then invaded in 2022 again.
	To claim the Donbass region.
	Vance stated that Ukraine is going to have to cede some territory to the Russians.
	And I had to think, well, okay, J.D.
	Vance.
	How about I roll up to your home in Ohio and claim parts of your kitchen are mine?
	Maybe I'll have some of the backyard or a bedroom or two.
	And all bathrooms.
	All bathrooms in your house, J.D.
	Vance, are now mine.
	It used to technically possibly be part of the British Empire, so I have a historical claim.
	Is that okay?
	Should you just accept that you'll have to cede some territory to me because I wanted it and took it by force?
	No?
	Is that different somehow?
	Hmm.
	Interesting.
	Now here's the thing.
	If you're gonna lose the whole house and instead you are forced to cede some territory if you have lost Several opportunities where maybe... I guess you're invading JD Vance's house, right?
	I am, yeah.
	I'm Putin.
	Right, so we're just taking, well, you're Al, because it's British.
	I'm Al, British Empire, yeah.
	Yeah, we're invoking.
	Taking it back.
	Yeah, we're taking it back.
	Ohio, I mean, I feel like it'd be a stretch for Ohio, but I'm not gonna argue.
	Yeah, probably.
	God only knows where he actually lives, whatever.
	But right, so that, I mean, if you're gonna lose, Or if he's gonna lose the whole house and then has to cede the bathroom, it's incredibly unfortunate and not okay.
	Make that choice, but I think the way he means it, that's a choice that if you can't, if you're not in a negotiating position and if you're not using, maybe there was a better negotiating position where he wouldn't have lost the bathroom.
	Or at least, I don't know, the sink.
	Uh, it sucks, but I don't trust these people to make good, like, foreign policy, negotiative choices.
	If it's all or nothing, that's, um, a really bad, uh, like, you're gonna... Here's the thing.
	I don't... When he says some, I don't trust what some means.
	I don't trust the word some.
	If JD Vance is saying they're gonna have to cede some territory, I don't...
	I don't like, I bet I don't like his definition of whatever some might be.
	Well, I mean, I'm assuming he means, I'm assuming he means Crimea and the Donbass at the very least.
	But at the least, though, is what I'm saying.
	At the least, exactly, exactly.
	And neither of those belong to Russia.
	So, not great.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	Make it, but I mean, if it's already like, it's already happening.
	We already have to make these decisions.
	I don't trust any Trump administration to make rational... I don't trust them to make rational agreements with accountability and support.
	Well, it seems like they, at the very least... Well, yeah, at the very least they want to cede those areas, but it feels like they want to give the whole house, is what it feels like.
	It shouldn't give anything, but, you know, anyway.
	As for J.D.
	Vance's anti-war perspective on Gaza, well, he's immensely pro-Israel, supports US funding to Israel, criticised the Biden administration for, quote, depriving the Israelis of the precision-guided weapons.
	And also for micromanaging Israeli actions saying, quote, you've got to first of all enable Israel to actually finish the job, unquote.
	He repeated these criticisms again this month saying, quote, number one, you want Israel to get this war over and as quickly as possible because the longer it goes on, the harder their situation becomes.
	But second, after the war, You want to reinvigorate that peace process between Israel, Saudi Arabia, the Jordanians, and so forth."
	Notably, Palestine were not mentioned in that list because JD Vance wants the genocide of the Palestinians to be carried out and completed until there is no more Palestine and there are no more Palestinians.
	This anti-war candidate here wants to slaughter children in the hundreds of thousands and yet Charlie Kirk and Russell are able to somehow paint him as a Kind of pacifist.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And also living in a fairy tale.
	That's the thing.
	Both of these conflicts that are happening.
	There is no, like, it's not like someone's just not flipping a switch to fix it.
	Like, oh, we would, we actually want to have all these, like, we love thumb wars, everybody.
	We're all doing one, two, three, four, I declare, it's actually, we're having this whole, like, tournament, we already made the roster, you know, we're in the round robin, you can't stop it.
	No, like, these things are not, none of them are easily fixed.
	No.
	So thinking just, oh yeah, just take care of the, oh, we'll just wrap up this Gaza thing.
	I bet they're already trying to do that.
	I bet they sure are.
	It seems like they've been trying to do some of that for a while, and definitely with the Ukraine situation, you know.
	Also that.
	The perspective is, oh, as soon as Trump and JD Vance come in, then they will flip a switch and it'll all be over and done.
	That's what I'm saying.
	There is no switch that people are just like, oh, just the world leaders are like, we just don't feel like it today.
	Oh, we're having a Monday.
	We don't want to.
	That's not what's happening.
	No, no, no.
	It's completely insane.
	Insane thinking.
	And now Charlie has something to say about where RFK Jr.
	should land up.
	He's actually a recalibration that goes beyond the party politics of the Republican Party, in a sense a reframing of what the left and the liberal left sees itself as.
	There's no refuting at this point that the military-industrial-complex-dem party is the party of war.
	Nevertheless, although I met J.D.
	Vance, albeit briefly, and I thought he seemed like a pretty spectacular guy.
	He's wonderful.
	Sure.
	I never thought that was seriously in contention.
	to get excited by that. But I wonder if you too believe for a moment that there was a
	possibility that RFK might get this sort of unifying position as VP.
	I never thought that was seriously in contention. I like RFK a lot. I like how many votes he's
	taken from Democrats right now.
	But I think that he's done some great work with medical freedom, individual autonomy.
	But look, I don't think that was ever probably in serious contention.
	I will say though, I would not be surprised if RFK has a role in the administration.
	Because it does indeed.
	I'm going to be pushing for that, by the way.
	Yeah, I'm going to push for that.
	I said this on your show previously.
	And so I've said this to the president, and I'm going to say it again.
	I think that RFK should chair a special blue ribbon commission, an actual one, not a fake one, into a childhood vaccination schedule.
	Ah yes, let's put the man who knows nothing about medicine in charge of a commission about children's healthcare.
	Brilliant idea.
	And of course, yeah, this is off the back of the video of Trump seemingly offering at the very least a cabinet position to RFK Jr over the phone, presumably in exchange for dropping out of the race, though it's not clear.
	And RFK is, yeah, still firmly in the race, siphoning away far more votes from Trump than he is from Biden, because of course he is.
	Yeah, and the thing that we need to remember, and I mean, I don't know what everybody's experience is, and this is also a while ago.
	This is like beginning of the summer, and Al, I know I told you about that.
	I don't remember if I mentioned it on air, but I know I told you about this.
	I was vending in front of this little shop where I can sign with in Logan Square, And there were, you know, canvassers are out.
	It's a nice weekend.
	Everyone's outside kind of a thing.
	Yeah.
	And beginning of June, it was whenever RFK was like, that was his big talking point was anti-war.
	Like it had happened.
	It was kind of like in the ether.
	And I heard this one guy looking for signatures to get someone on, like get a presidential candidate on the ballot in Illinois.
	And he kept saying anti-war candidate.
	The most.
	And I was waiting for, oh also anti-vaxx?
	Oh no we're not saying that?
	Okay.
	I was working, I was also representing someone else, I was representing a business who I don't want to besmirch or like cause problems for, so I didn't like Yell, hey, buddy, exactly who are you talking about?
	I wanted to, but just through context clues, we kind of guessed that it was RFK Jr., so this is a line they're going to use.
	Yes.
	The verbiage was very selective in how he was pitching the anti-war candidate.
	And again, as we covered the last time we dealt with RFK, he's pretty damn happy with the genocide as well, so not really much of an anti-war candidate.
	They're somehow both anti-war and pro-parking lot, and blasting people back to the Stone Age.
	Weird how that is.
	Yeah, weird how that never factors into this rhetoric.
	Anyway, next we learn who Russell has been sharing his studio with at the RNC.
	I think we have to share a mic, then.
	We're in the business of actually... We're trying to get viewers, Dan.
	The last thing we need is you sidling on here.
	We're trying to...
	We're trying to cultivate an audience.
	Brother, man, I'm telling you, you are like such an electric personality.
	You got like an energy about you, man.
	It's hard to... Right, Charlie?
	I mean... He's infectious.
	You walk in a room and it's like, boom!
	Pow!
	Kicking the balls, man.
	It's freaking amazing.
	Like, where do you get that from?
	I have been accused of being infectious before, but not in precisely that manner, Dan Bongino.
	And I will take that as an extraordinary compliment.
	It is.
	Gross.
	Yeah, Dan Bongino's here as well.
	He's joining in.
	Surprise!
	There's a man.
	There's another man on the couch.
	There's a man and it's Dan Bongino at the RNC as the song goes actually.
	Yeah, wow.
	So Russell has been sharing the Rumble studio with Dan Bongino opposite him for the few days of the RNC.
	And, you know, given that Dan Bongino is the biggest thing on Rumble, Russell was forced to sort of recognize it as Bongino's space, which was kind of fun.
	For anyone, especially outside of the US who might not know who the fuck Dan Bongino is, in a nutshell, he was an NYPD cop in the 90s, turned secret service agent under W and Obama for a little bit, at which point he quit and ran for office as a Republican.
	He ran twice in Maryland, once in Florida, and never dared reach the dizzying heights of elected office.
	He was a frequent guest on Fox News and Alex Jones's Infowars, while hosting his own podcast, until eventually he landed his own radio show to replace Rush Limbaugh's, and then he got his own shows on Fox News.
	And the reason he's the biggest thing on Rumble, other than his macho man persona, is the fact he was banned permanently from YouTube because he posted a video to his main account in an attempt to circumvent a temporary suspension imposed on his secondary account after he had posted a video questioning the efficacy of masks against COVID-19 during the pandemic.
	This is stupid!
	I know!
	It's not even censorship that took him down, it's idiocy.
	Well, I mean it is, because he can't post that.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's why you have backup accounts, is to not torpedo your main account.
	He would have been allowed back on had he just waited out the temporary suspension instead of trying to circumvent it by posting to his second account.
	Right.
	Silly, silly boy.
	That's okay.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm sorry.
	Did I misunderstand that he posted on his second account and then got suspended and then posted on his main account?
	Is that what happened?
	Yeah, he posted on his secondary account.
	That one got taken down.
	Right.
	And then he, you know, and got suspended for that.
	And then he tried to post on his main account, but obviously they knew that he was suspended from the other account as well because they knew it was him.
	And they were like, well, no, you can't do that.
	You fuck what you're suspended.
	That's what I'm saying.
	It already happened.
	Yeah.
	That's why you have a backup account is if and if you know it doesn't work they're definitely gonna find it when you try again that's yeah it's it's it's it's incredibly dumb um yeah and uh Bongino is also vaccinated against COVID-19 by the way unlike um a lot of the people in this space pretend to not be But he insists that he only took the vaccine because he had cancer at the time and his doctor told him to.
	And so that's the only real kind of outlier.
	But other than that, his views are kind of alt-right standard, to be honest.
	You know, we'll get the usual.
	That's also a reason a lot of people didn't or couldn't take it because they were immunocompromised, which is why, like, having, huh, Yeah, he had lymphoma and supposedly his doctor told him to and he got it.
	Sure.
	I don't know.
	That's a reason why you would be immune compromised and not be eligible.
	Yeah, usually, yeah, yeah.
	One would think he would have been one of the vulnerable people that wasn't able to, you know, that we needed to protect.
	Exactly, that, yeah.
	Huh.
	Maybe not.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I'm not a doctor.
	But Bongino is also the guy who famously in 2018 said, quote, my entire life right now is about owning the libs.
	That's it.
	Unquote.
	Which, cool.
	Anyway, let's take a look at how Russell has felt about sharing his space with Dan before Bongino says something I, well, half agree with a little bit.
	I must say, it's been a particular marvel to share this space with you, albeit sometimes distracting, because you yourself are not devoid of incredible presence.
	And if I can just remind you of one thing that you said earlier today, obviously all of us now at this Republican convention are living in the immediate aftermath of this extraordinary historical event that will be unpacked perhaps for generations.
	And what was astonishing was to hear you when people in your audience, our audience, because to a degree we share an audience here as Rumble, Creators who have a great appetite for conspiracy.
	And when there are as many anomalies as there evidently were in the events of Butler, there is an appetite for people to be told this involves deep state conspiracy.
	And I thought the way that you handled that was extremely disciplined and elegant and involved a deployment of journalistic integrity that our collective many detractors would deny that you have.
	Could you just tell me once again, like, what your position on that was, Dan, when people are saying, all these anomalies, the ladder, the going around with a scanner and scoping the place out.
	There must be deep state involvement.
	How come you took such a strong position against that idea?
	Well, for three days now, a couple of folks in my chat, and it was limited, but it was a few.
	There were people saying, you know, Dan, you know, why don't you just say it?
	You know, this is an inside job.
	And I, you heard me screaming because I said, No.
	I don't know that.
	And I don't say shit I can't back up.
	Could it be an inside job given this guy?
	Absolutely.
	Do I have evidence to back that up?
	If I did, I'd put it out on my show.
	Russell, listen.
	I am not ever going to be a leftist.
	I'm not going to be Adam Schiff and go on TV.
	Charlie, you saw it.
	I've got evidence of a Russian conspiracy.
	Let's see it, bro.
	I don't really have it, but it's there.
	I promise.
	I'm never going to do that.
	Listen, I don't trust the government.
	I had a question authority bumper sticker on my car when I was in college.
	I never have.
	I've always been a conservatarian.
	But I only say things on my show that I can back up.
	And suggesting I was somehow like hiding information because I knew it was an inside job is insane.
	If evidence materializes, that's the case, I'll put it out.
	But when you burn your integrity with the audience and say shit you can't back up, and you put it out on Twitter, look!
	I got evidence.
	And then they click and they realize you're full of shit.
	Your audience goes down and down and down.
	It is important, Russell, not to be first, but to be right.
	And I am only going to say stuff I can back up.
	And if I'm speculating, you will hear me say it.
	This is speculation based on said evidence, but I haven't drawn a conclusion.
	You're only going to get that on the right, not on the left.
	I'm sorry.
	Yes, there are never responsible reporters of information on the left and the right never gives way to conspiracy theories and bullshit.
	It's not like just last week Russell took a shit on the left-wing legacy media because they were cautious and responsible about their initial reports of the Trump shooting.
	Okay, it's important to be right, not to be first.
	Okay, yeah, obviously that little bit at the end there is not the part I agree with, nor is it the notion that the Russia investigation into Trump was all hot air and bluster.
	It was pretty conclusively proven that Trump and Trump Jr.
	were fucking around with Russia to help them in 2016, and it worked.
	No, the thing I do agree with is the overall point about not reporting on something until you have some amount of evidence.
	Of not forming a theory without a basis in some form of objective fact.
	And what was interesting in the immediate aftermath of the Trump shooting was seeing conspiracy theories immediately surfacing in the left-wing spaces of the internet.
	suggesting it was staged and a false flag and all that.
	Yeah.
	A lot of it was based on the way Trump responded in the moment
	and the sheer shock of it happening in the first place.
	And, you know, I mean, as to how Trump responded, there is no ordinary way to respond to an event that is by
	its very nature extraordinary.
	But it did tell us something about the guy!
	I'll say that, it told us something!
	But I wouldn't count it as evidence of a false flag, or that it was staged.
	And as for the Secret Service failing in such a drastic way, as a student of history, Lauren, you probably know better than I do how Yeah!
	Embarrassingly inept we can be as a species. Ascribe not to malice that which can be explained by incompetence."
	Of course.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, of course there were conspiracy theories on the right too, because of course there were.
	As Bongino just said, revolving around it being an inside job, or the deep state, or Joe Biden was behind it, etc.
	But yeah, it did kind of serve as a stark reminder that conspiracy theory thinking really, really can hit everyone, no matter where your political allegiances lie.
	Especially the situation.
	I think that there were several, on all sides, several points of massive incompetence that should not have been allowed to happen.
	And I think what's really funny is most people that are like, to shoot the top of an ear On purpose?
	Is... I mean, that would be crazy.
	Very, like, that's not what... If that had to happen for this to be a conspiracy?
	Absolutely not.
	Absolutely not.
	No, no.
	That's a bridge too far.
	I mean, I know there were other conspiracies about, like, how that actually happened where he had a ketchup packet in his pocket and did a magician trick.
	I don't, but...
	Yeah, yeah.
	Those are already, like, okay.
	Okay, girl.
	Yeah, it's fun, but yeah, not necessarily based in reality.
	And of course, like, Dan Bongino frequently peddles in conspiracy theories, from stolen elections to Chinese bioweapons to whatever else, but he didn't in this case, and he did just tell us why, and it was because he didn't want to lose any of his audience.
	He believes he would lose credibility with his following, which is surprising from a guy who was semi-regularly on Infowars.
	But nonetheless, like, that is the reason he's citing, the only reason he's citing, for why he's not currently peddling in completely untethered conspiracy theory nonsense.
	He didn't have the evidence that he, that, that fought the Peskismel test for what to push out there.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, he didn't have a bullshit article from, from fucking Matt Taibbi or whatever to be able to throw up there.
	Zero hedge.
	I think it does tell us something about just how cynical these people can really be.
	Now, after all this talk on responsible reporting and all of that, Charlie Kirk has a conspiracy theory to spin.
	I'll tell you a true story.
	This is reported on, but people don't know it as well as they should.
	Donald Trump... Sorry.
	All true stories start with having to say, this is a true story.
	Anyway... Trump wanted to leave Afghanistan the right way.
	He wanted to get out of Afghanistan.
	It was a campaign promise, a campaign pledge.
	And he didn't want to do it like Joe Biden, leaving $90 billion of equipment.
	But he said, this is too long of a war.
	We must put Americans first.
	Mike Pence assembled a private rehearsal meeting the night before that Donald Trump was going to make the final decision with all of his Secretary of Defense cabinet.
	At the time, it was Mad Dog Mattis.
	And he had Rex Tillerson.
	And Mike Pence assembled the entire team.
	And he said, I'll play Donald Trump.
	Let's rehearse how this meeting is going to go.
	I never heard that before.
	Oh no, and Mike Pence was like, here's what Trump's gonna say, and then you guys say this next, and then you guys say this next.
	Manipulating.
	So Trump walks into this meeting with his cabinet, having everyone there rehearsed of move A, move B, move C, move D.
	I'm very disappointed in particular at Mad Dog Malice, who with a name like that, you'd think you'd be able to rely on.
	Now, what about, like, hey, Dan, you know that clip that's going around everywhere of Chuck Schumer saying, if you transgress against the deep state... Six ways to Sunday.
	You better run!
	That was mid-January 2017.
	All right, Charlie, we're all aware of your position on the spectrum.
	OK, all right.
	Calm down, Charlie, you great data receptacle.
	All right.
	Ooh, I am very torn about that clip because on the one hand, Russell is mocking Charlie for some proposed neurodivergent tendencies, which I do not support, but on the other hand, Charlie Kirk is a bigoted asshole who deserves to be made to look like a little bitch.
	So it's a tough one.
	Either way, as we've commented before, one of the fascinating things to watch for when some of these alt-right asshats get together is the power dynamics of the situation.
	And what was painfully and uncomfortably clear from that clip is that Russell, being the odd one out and the newbie in the sphere, decided to insult and offer Charlie up as a sacrifice to the Alpha, Dan Bongino, who thought it was completely hilarious.
	So it's establishing a pecking order immediately with Charlie Kirk firmly at the bottom.
	Despite the fact Charlie's audience numbers are higher than Russell or Bongino, but this is some high school shit playing out here.
	I'm sorry, how many movies has Charlie Kirk, like major motion pictures that Charlie Kirk has been in?
	Zero.
	That's true, that's true.
	All right.
	Well, seniority is a complex, but I feel understandable process.
	He was getting on a talking point.
	That's obviously like a rehearsed talking point.
	That's his deal.
	That's Charlie Kirk's deal.
	Because his stories have to be very specific to like make sense and fit into the narrative.
	Yes, indeed they do.
	Yes, indeed.
	Do we get the rest of that story at all?
	Or did Russell completely shut that shit down?
	We'll get into that in a second.
	As for the story that Charlie was spinning before Russell Roundley took the piss out of him, that was about a meeting that took place in July 2017.
	I'm going to read from an AP article here.
	Trump's national security team had become alarmed by the president's frequent questioning about the value of a robust American presence around the world.
	When briefed on the diplomatic, military, and intelligence posts, the new president would often cast doubt on the need for all the resources.
	Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson organized the July 20th session to lay out the case for maintaining far-flung outposts.
	Armed with charts, maps, and diagrams, those briefers spent the next roughly 90 minutes explaining to Trump the critical importance of forward worldwide deployments of US military, intelligence, and diplomatic assets, according to two current officials and one former official familiar with the meeting.
	While the war in Afghanistan and also the Islamic State group in Syria and Iraq were major topics, the stationing of U.S.
	personnel in Asia, Africa, Europe, and Latin America were also covered.
	The officials said the purpose was to answer one of Trump's most persistent questions of his national security aides, why does the U.S.
	government need so many people abroad?
	As such, it was a comprehensive look at military bases, embassies and consulates, CIA stations and other intelligence posts.
	And in the weeks since the briefing, Trump has split with top advisor Steve Bannon, since this was around then, the engine of many of his nationalist isolationist policies.
	He threatened war with North Korea and agreed to send more US troops to Afghanistan, abandoning his promise to withdraw quickly.
	Announcing the plan, Trump acknowledged the influence of his advisors.
	"My original instinct was to pull out, if only, and historically I like following my instincts,"
	he said. "But all my life I've heard that decisions are much different when you sit
	behind the desk in the Oval Office, in other words, when you're the President of the United
	States. So I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle."
	So, in essence, these poor bastards had to school Trump on American security policy for 90 minutes,
	which I can only imagine was an exhausting experience, but clearly some of it sank in.
	Only 90 minutes?
	Only 90 minutes.
	Clearly, some of it sank in because Trump reversed his position on Afghanistan, but according to Charlie Kirk here, that was all a big conspiracy cooked up by Mike Pence, who told everyone what to say.
	It can't possibly be that Trump was so ignorant of the situation, they had to sit him down and educate him, and he learned something from the class.
	And you know, I will honestly say, like, the truth of the meeting actually makes me respect Trump a tiny bit more because he was at least able to change his positions based on new information presented, you know?
	Like, hey, that's actually a positive.
	No, no, no, no.
	No?
	He believes that... Well, here's... This was like a famous, like, Reagan kind of, like... It's not apocryphal, it was real.
	The famous issue with Reagan is he disagreed with the last guy that talked to him.
	The last thing they said.
	Yeah.
	So I wouldn't give him any credit.
	And also if it's easier, he's going to, if it's easier to not do anything or to not change anything, then he's going to do that.
	It seems easier to just let it be the same.
	Let it be, let it be.
	What Charlie Kirk was saying, you could take one of two ways.
	Either they rehearsed this conversation and then agreed, boy, we shouldn't try to get out of Afghanistan because it's not going to work and it's going to look bad, so we'll just pass the buck, which is kind of what That's what happened.
	It's kind of what happened.
	And so it would make sense and fit in with what, you know, like fit in with, uh, wouldn't fit in their narrative.
	But if it's in the narrative, it's like, ah, that's too hard.
	We're not going to do it.
	It's going to look bad and people will be mad at us.
	Yeah.
	But no, it was Mike Pence.
	Okay.
	Anyway.
	Anyway.
	Now, Russell is going to, in between the odd barb at Charlie, get to posing his question to Dan Bongino.
	But it is good.
	It's an incredible ability, isn't it, that Charlie has.
	I'm really seeing people's essence here.
	He's a talented radio guy.
	I know.
	He's very talented.
	I mean, he's gifted.
	I mean, he's extraordinary.
	Sometimes he beats me in the podcast charts.
	I'm very... We're capitalists, right?
	Yeah, we're very competitive.
	I sent him a text.
	I'm like, you're going to be sick tomorrow or something?
	So I put your ass down a few spots.
	Don't start any conspiracy theories on this show.
	We're here only for evidence-based information.
	Dan Bongino, even though you've said what you said, presumably about an ongoing fealty to the men and women that serve in the services with which you have long been associated, that you don't want to involve in conjecture, that is dispiriting, harmful, and Yeah.
	and plainly untrue for people that dedicate their lives to what they believe in.
	What do you feel it means when someone like Chuck Schumer says,
	"If you mess with a deep state," as Charlie remembered, as he probably does everything that's been said in this
	conversation, he probably, if we dropped a box of matches,
	Charlie would know how many there were on the floor without counting them.
	I wonder what you think about the Chuck Schumer thing.
	What does he mean?
	And is this, when people talk about the deep state and the power of the deep state, and when Trump said the first time around, drain the swamp, do you think that in invective like that, there is a real fear in that?
	Is this something you can speculate on without transgressing the views that you articulated so well earlier?
	Okay, so Charlie Kirk is Rain Man, and Russell's pretty much just being a dick at this point.
	And listeners, if you could see the look on Charlie Kirk's face, he is very clearly used to it, which makes it a little sadder.
	Nonetheless, Russell's actual question was about Chuck Schumer saying, quote, let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community and they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you, unquote.
	Now this was Schumer essentially taking shots at Trump for taunting the intelligence community repeatedly.
	But the question that Russell is basically asking is, is the Deep State real?
	That's essentially what he's trying to drive at here.
	And, well, who better to answer the question than Dan Bongino?
	Okay, wait, wait, wait.
	We did talk about this already.
	We've got pinkwashing, rainbowwashing, greenwashing.
	I do not like this trend of calling people in your club who remember facts.
	Autistic.
	Is it puzzle piece washing?
	Is it neuro spicy?
	Is it jalapeno washing?
	This is not fucking okay.
	Debate club, kids!
	Are not automatically neurodivergent.
	And I don't think that Charlie Kirk is.
	If you have met a kid who does really well in school through rote memorization, that's just, that's, that's a church kid.
	Like that's, that's debate club.
	Like he's, he is the poster boy for debate club.
	Like, that's that guy.
	He's also a fucking tryhard.
	So he will come out with that stuff, you know, because he wants to go, look, I know all the things, you know, because that's the kind of person he is.
	That's how he establishes control in these dynamics, too, is because he can out fact.
	And that's very deliberate.
	And I mean, I'm sure Russell hates him.
	Like it's not what Russell wants to do at all.
	Russell just wants to vibe.
	I bet he loathes Charlie Kirk and Charlie Kirk knows it.
	I bet he hates Russell right back.
	It's uh it's definitely fun but yeah it is it is an alarming trend you're not wrong this um this whatever it is washing um autism washing you know because it's consistent it keeps happening and i'm like oh this no no not great not great um yeah yeah That's very disappointing.
	Yeah, not cool.
	But these guys, I think we've established they absolutely fucking hate each other.
	So let's let them fight!
	It's good fun.
	Anyway, let's see what Dan Bongino thinks about the Deep State.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, having worked in the Secret Service, we were never gatherers of intelligence, and it's for an obvious reason.
	If I'm protecting Charlie, and say he's the president of some country somewhere, he doesn't want us gathering intelligence.
	He's not going to let us protect him.
	He's going to say, hey, keep your distance.
	I don't want you hearing my conversations.
	But what we do is we consume intelligence, because if I am protecting Charlie or Russell or whatever, I'm going to get the CIA and others to give us a brief and say, hey, I can't say this publicly, but here's what's happening with Russell's, the threat level behind the scenes.
	So being a 12-year consumer of the highest levels of intelligence, yes, the deep state is real.
	And I want to give a hat to one of the best commentators out there.
	I know you know him as Mike Benz.
	If you ever want commentary on him, he's just the best.
	Oh yeah, that Mike Benz.
	He's the best, that guy.
	Yeah, within one sentence, Dan Bongino has given everyone familiar with this show a reason not to take him in anyway, seriously, because as we covered in episode 47 when Mike Benz came on Russell's show the first time, Benz is uniformly either full of shit or making incredibly vague gestures towards things the CIA did 50 years ago and using them to insinuate that the same things are happening now.
	And he is also very much unqualified for the position he purports himself to hold.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, but here's the thing.
	Dan Bongino just established his absolute dominance over this conversation because Charlie Kirk's like, I'm TPUSA, boy, we have a lot of money.
	I scare college students.
	And Russell's like, well, I'm a vibey boy and I'm in outer space.
	And then Dan Bongino's like, I was in the Secret Service.
	Yes.
	I win at knowing anything.
	Yes.
	High levels of, yeah, yeah.
	And we should take that very seriously because he's the best at spin and lying and authority in this field, like by a country mile compared to these two jokers.
	And he's got the most reach.
	I heard him on the radio, in the car, and I was very surprised.
	I mean, maybe I didn't know enough about Dan Bongino because he's not a main figure in any of the media I consume, but yeah, he's got the most juice.
	He does.
	It's one of those that I don't honestly, I don't fully understand because I don't connect with him personally in any way, shape or form.
	I'm like, I don't get it, but clearly a lot of people do.
	And that's concerning.
	The other reason he shouldn't be listened to, however, is that he just said he had access to the highest levels of intelligence for the 12 years he was in the Secret Service.
	And it's not the first time he's made that claim.
	In fact, a year after losing his first Senate campaign for Maryland back in 2012, he released a memoir called Life Inside the Bubble about his career as a Secret Service agent and his subsequent political campaign.
	And Bongino was criticized by former colleagues at the Secret Service for using his background as part of his run for political office and for his claim of having secret information based on conversations he overheard in the Obama White House.
	A former colleague said, quote, he's trying to draw attention to himself and he's hijacking the Secret Service brand.
	That's all he's got going for him.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	Other unnamed former colleagues said Bongino tends to exaggerate his importance on the presidential detail and exaggerate his proximity and that we don't sit in on meetings at the White House.
	We don't sit in on high-level meetings.
	So, yeah.
	Because, no, they don't.
	He's full of shit, but because it's something that he couldn't prove even if we wanted him to because, oh, it's all classified, he can get away with it.
	Oh, it's all high level.
	I can't possibly.
	It's too dangerous, the information.
	Yeah, well, and he's putting himself in a position where Like, you and I can look critically, or the people that are saying, like, I worked with them and this is not, uh-uh, no.
	Like, she didn't win the title every year.
	She came and, like, she was a runner-up.
	She's lying, right?
	Like, we checked her record.
	That's not really, like, We live in the real world where facts matter, but bluster and claims and like over-inflating your importance, and that works great here.
	That works great on Rumble.
	I mean, that's like, that sucks.
	Fox and... Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
	Yeah, yeah, wow.
	Yep.
	Anyway, the thing about these live streams that he's been doing from the RNC is Russell is doing live ad reads regardless of whether he has a guest in front of him, which can get a little awkward.
	But given Bongino has been doing the same ads, right, they all try and have a little fun with it.
	And so in this next clip, in the middle of an ad for Rumble 1775 Coffee, Charlie finally gets a little bit of a dig back in at Russell.
	Get yourself some 1775 coffee.
	You know this is celebrating a revolutionary event that was very, very detrimental to the health of my country.
	As you know, Old Millie, it led to a revolution that I think, in retrospect, was a mistake.
	But if you use the code RNC, you will get 40% off your first order.
	It's delicious stuff.
	It is delicious.
	That is so incredibly sincere.
	It is delicious, isn't it?
	No, it's amazing, yeah.
	I mean, sometimes I ingest it nasally, Charlie.
	That's perfect for you.
	Cut out the middleman for heaven's sake.
	I would expect that.
	Well, okay.
	I would expect that's perfect for you.
	Yeah, mocking Charlie for sincerity.
	That's something.
	Or genuinely shocked that he heard a sincere thing once out of his mouth!
	Yes!
	Like, oh!
	You can't have human feelings!
	You actually mean that!
	That's crazy!
	I absolutely thought you were a robot.
	Wild.
	Oh, God.
	God, yeah, but I did like the... I did like Charlie's little dig there, like, oh yeah, ingesting it nasally, that's perfect for you.
	I would expect that.
	Okay.
	That's a good old yes and, which they all could probably use a little more of.
	Yeah, that's true.
	The dynamic here is so wildly different compared to when Charlie Kirk was on Stay Free.
	I think just by virtue of being in person and having Bongino there especially, that's really, really tipped the balance.
	Yeah, Big Daddy's in the room.
	Yeah.
	These guys, this is tense as hell.
	And maybe it's not as, I'm sure it's not as obvious if you're just listening, like listeners, if you're just, if you're not watching, they are not They are unhappy.
	Like, it's, well, I don't know.
	Dan Bongino seems like he's cruising.
	Dan Bongino's having a great time.
	But these guys seem like they're on pins and needles, man.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The other two are just, yeah, cats with their claws out the whole time.
	You're like, ooh, okay.
	Um, yep.
	Now to preface the next clip, Dan Bongino, whenever the camera isn't settled on him, he's sat there scrolling through his phone, which Russell then calls- God bless.
	Russell is gonna call that out now, indirectly.
	Yeah.
	Dan, do you want me to leave you for a minute over there just to sort of deal with some stuff?
	No, no, no.
	I'm always doing showbiz.
	You're a workaholic, aren't you?
	I have a FOMO thing we're missing out.
	I do.
	Charlie, you ever get that on the show?
	Like you feel like I'm going to miss a story or an angle?
	All the time.
	Well, I mean, there's no news going on right now.
	I know.
	Listen, as a content creator, Russell, here's my biggest fear.
	I'm on live, my shows are live, every day, four hours a day.
	I'm proudest of the fact, you know, knock on wood or whatever, that despite having a Fox show, a radio show, and a TV show, I can tell you with a straight face, I'm yet to have gotten caught on the air.
	Where someone says something, I go, you know what, I just don't know.
	It could happen, I obviously don't know everything or even close to it, But as a content creator, you damn well, it's your responsibility for the audience to know what everything is.
	The face act, the save act, all that stuff.
	So I always have this FOMO, like I'm going to miss out.
	You know, so do you hear what Trump just said?
	And if I don't hear it, like what's the point of listening to me?
	I screwed you over.
	So, you know, it's a responsibility, man.
	How do you, what is driving that in you, Dan?
	And how do you connect it to the, yeah, yeah, clearly there's a sort of an energy.
	I'm a little nuts.
	I'm normal and sane.
	I got the crazy eyes.
	You're crazy.
	He's crazy.
	I'm bringing some rationalism to this conversation.
	I'm actually the shortest person on this couch today too, which is freaking bananas.
	That never happens.
	I'm 6'1".
	And Charlie's like seven feet tall.
	Charlie's not even the same species.
	Charlie's legs are longer.
	Nephilim.
	We've been over this.
	Nephilim.
	He's part of the Nephilim.
	He's a biblical character.
	He's literally from scripture.
	He strode right out of Genesis and into our lives and broken our hearts.
	That's Charlie Kirk, everyone.
	They're gonna fuck!
	Get a room!
	I've changed my mind completely.
	They don't all hate each other.
	They hate to love each other.
	They're gonna fuck, or they're gonna fight, or both.
	I think the answer is yes.
	It's a wrestling scenario that develops, let's put it that way.
	Yeah, Russell there, even at the end there paying a compliment, he still manages to sound like he's being a dick.
	Um, anyway, so yeah, Russell's the sane one on the couch, supposedly, and Dan Bongino just got me lookin' up everyone's heights.
	Um, cause I was just curious, like, how tall are these fuckin' people?
	Um, and, uh...
	Yeah, yeah.
	Dan Bongino is 6'1", by the way.
	Russell is actually two centimeters taller, coming in at 6'2", and I never realized he's the same height as me.
	I always thought Russell was shorter.
	Charlie Kirk, for all this talk of him being a giant, appears to be 6'4", from all that I could find.
	So, like, not crazy, you know?
	It's the forehead.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's a nondual illusion.
	And the hair, the hair as well, that helps.
	Oh, he's got this like 2008 hairdo right now.
	Yeah, that is drastically receding.
	There was a lot of cosmetic procedures that were happening before the RNC that are very interesting to see play out.
	You know what I mean?
	Oh, Matt Gaetz, oh boy.
	You mean Count Dracula?
	His face looks... We know, we all saw it.
	We know.
	Yeah, we get it.
	It's not in the show.
	It's too small for his head anymore.
	I do want to say, Charlie Kirkwise, I got in trouble in my home for not referencing... Have you seen this?
	There's like a...
	There's a meme, and there's like a little scaler bar, and you can go and make Charlie Kirk's face as small or big as you want it on his head, like his facial features.
	No, I haven't seen that.
	You haven't?
	I totally forgot about it whenever we did our episode.
	Mike came home and he's like, what are you doing?
	Like, you didn't even mention the Charlie Kirk's face website.
	Charlie Kirk's face in smallening.
	Oh, that's great.
	Yeah.
	And it's very old school, like, yeah, it's whenever we used to play Flash games kind of moment.
	Yeah, one of the Flash, yeah, Newgrounds, you know, that kind of vibe.
	Yeah, I will go and find that after this.
	And I'm no longer in trouble.
	Yay for me.
	Good.
	Well done.
	Well done.
	Um, it's so funny too.
	Oh my God.
	Yeah.
	It's hard to tell how big, like once you make his features smaller and bigger on his head, you almost forget what he actually looks like because then whenever you put it back to normal, you're like, no, those are too big.
	He's all, he's all cheek.
	He's all cheek and forehead.
	I tell you what, I'm gonna put that game on and I'm gonna listen to I Wanna Be the RNC by Matt Lutzko.
	You know, I wanna be like Dan Bongino.
	Have you heard that song?
	No?
	No, just me.
	Very funny.
	Anyway, before all this, Bongino was talking about FOMO and needing to know absolutely everything due to his position as an alt-right pundit.
	Essentially entirely reversing his position on being right instead of being first now He's like, well, I need to know it and communicate it before anyone else and that's the most important part Yeah, I couldn't disagree more You know, I remember a while back We got like a bizarre comment on the YouTube channel that said I've never seen two people say I don't know this many times and I was like that's a weird complaint cuz like You know, yes, sometimes we won't know things because we're not pretending to be experts for, you know, of literally everything we cover, and, you know, doing so would be irresponsible, and speaking from a position of authority while actually being clueless or maliciously lying is actually the entire game for people like Russell, Charlie, and Dan Bongino.
	I mean, I'm out.
	If I don't know it in the moment.
	Yeah, I'm going to say.
	I'm kind of, I'm kind of, I can't really speak to that for my personal experience because I literally am not supposed to know what we're talking about before we talk about it.
	But what's crazy to me is like what's kind of like hitting me with content creators because Well established.
	I watch a lot of stuff and I listen to a lot of stuff and it's like so normal for people to be like looking on their phones for information in the moment.
	It's very weird.
	Like it's it's it feels a little antique.
	It feels a little like boomer for like Russell to be Cranky at Dan Bongino for looking at his phone.
	That is, like, he's right.
	That's his fucking job.
	Like, that's what, and that's, like, normal.
	But I think that's normal for people that care about being accurate or even at least having, like, that's super normal as far as, like, what I'm used to listening to.
	Like, oh, hey, oh, you're looking on your phone.
	Did you find that thing?
	Is very normal In conversations that I listen to.
	Yeah.
	Especially if they're just recording a commercial and then they're also all recording their own commercials.
	Maybe he was double-checking his, like, his script.
	Like, there's so many reasons why content creators can be on their phone and not getting called out for it.
	That's what struck me as, like, really strange.
	And, like, I think Russell is not going to have a lot of opportunities to establish dominance with Information.
	It's like only vibes.
	It just felt a little like grandpa's being cranky and like, cause he doesn't, he has someone to do it for him.
	He doesn't need to check his own phone.
	He's got Gareth somewhere behind the camera.
	It kind of speaks to like, Russell's like, I don't form any of my, I say my conclusions that are told to me.
	Yeah.
	I get told what to say.
	Whereas Dan Bongino is like, no, I actually figure out what I'm going to say myself.
	And therein lies the difference.
	Like, oh no, I actually have to make my own content.
	I'm not a parrot.
	Like, that's really telling to me, you know?
	Yes, yes.
	I completely agree.
	Though he is also, he did just say he's sat there waiting to see what Trump says next or whatever, and that's a little sad.
	That is a little weird.
	Or like, if you're on Instagram, like, come on, you know.
	Yeah, right.
	Anyway, now we come back to more serious subjects, and we get to the topic of Ukraine, and Charlie Kirk still doesn't know what neoliberalism is.
	Think about, oh, we're spreading democracy in Iraq.
	Go spend more money.
	Or Zelensky's the new Churchill.
	Exactly.
	These are all abstractions.
	When they come under criticism or scrutiny, they have no backing in any sort of facts.
	The slightest criticism.
	By the way, how do they respond when you criticize?
	You're a Putin puppet.
	They cannot have a conversation about any of these things.
	And neoliberalism is built on weaponized name-calling.
	Oh, well, you're a protectionist.
	You're an isolationist.
	Or you're a racist for not wanting to have mass migration.
	And so we just kind of back off.
	And when you have a political order that can fall apart as soon as the name-calling ceases, maybe those ideas are really bad.
	And they're hurting a lot of people.
	Wait, can I?
	I'm sorry, Russell.
	Just to add, Charlie is 100% correct.
	The mildest of scrutiny, it collapses.
	You ask him a basic question.
	Listen, I don't need... I am not the chief of staff.
	You know, I'm not the head of military operations at the Pentagon for special forces.
	I don't need to know surgical strikes.
	I'm just asking you a basic question.
	Okay, what does victory look like in Ukraine?
	Are we taking back Crimea?
	I'm not really sure.
	But what happens if we do and Putin launches a tactical nuke because then his power is threatened and he's a maniac and he's not going to leave power without sending a message by dropping a tactical nuke first.
	And then they go, is that victory now?
	Because then there's no Crimea because the nuclear war breaks out.
	And then they look at you go, shit, man, I never really thought about that.
	Well, maybe you should, bro, before we get more people killed and send a hundred billion more dollars.
	I mean, can you imagine?
	Let's make the simplest analogy.
	You get a script for a movie.
	They're like, Russell, we have the greatest script ever.
	Your comedy skills are so amazingly suited for this.
	And the script is blank.
	And you're like, well, is this a joke?
	No, no, we'll get it to you later.
	Like, no, no, bro.
	I'm not signing a contract with a blank script.
	That's what they want us to do.
	Charlie is so right.
	You ask basic questions.
	Basic questions, Russell.
	There's no answer.
	Don't nearly call me Russia because I have been called.
	I've already been called a Putin apologist.
	We've all been called.
	They made a little video about me saying I'm in Ukrainian.
	I hasten to add.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Yeah, but back in November 2023, Vox Ukraine, who are an independent media outlet in Ukraine, did an article and an accompanying video calling out Russell firstly for his crimes and then for his many lies about the Ukraine war.
	Pretty good.
	Anyway, clearly no one's told Dan Bongino that actors signed movie deals with no script all the time, like literally.
	Yeah.
	All the time.
	Like, it's a terrible example there, Dan, if you were looking to present this as a crazy idea.
	Nonetheless, his broader point is- I also really wasn't following it.
	I was like, this seems a little too far-fetched.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	This isn't making a ton of- but also, yeah, because it was a bad premise.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's just terrible.
	His broader point is the line that, well, Putin is threatening nuclear war, so I guess we should just let him do what he wants!
	And, you know, there's an ancient line that the United States does not negotiate with terrorists, and Bongino is helping it succeed by just letting the terrorists have whatever they want with zero pushback.
	Like, well, he might threaten nuclear war so he can do what he wants!
	Okay.
	Also, yes, the Ukraine want Crimea back.
	Those are the 1991 boundaries we were talking about earlier, prior to Putin invading back in 2014.
	And, you know, for someone who purports to really look everything up before speaking, he should kind of know that.
	But equally, you know, I think you can be opposed to Russia invading without knowing that.
	I think it is, you know, it is possible to be like, you know what, that seems fucked up, even without knowing specifically the boundaries.
	I think that's reasonable.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Anyway.
	I think that's the point, even.
	Yep.
	Anyway.
	Next, Bongino gives his take as to why the Ukraine war is happening at all, and then says something very indicative of the entire alt-right community's mindset.
	So in relationship to wars in Ukraine, I can almost guarantee you, swampy Republicans, because it's a bipartisan shitshow what's going on, and weak Democrats said, well, we don't want to look weak by having Putin invade Ukraine because it's going to politically hurt me, so let's just marginally do something, whether it works or not, and let's just ride it out to the next election.
	Never attribute incompetence to what you can attribute in politics, to sheer malice.
	They just want to stay alive.
	It is about mitigating threats to power.
	It's not about actually advancing a cause because they can't tell you what the cause is.
	Never attribute to incompetence that which you can attribute to sheer malice in politics, right?
	I didn't know there was an opposite!
	It's an opposite!
	Whose razor is that?
	What's that one?
	Essentially anything that happens in politics must be a conspiracy or motivated by malicious machinations of some kind.
	And politics is a broad spectrum of subjects.
	Oh dear.
	That's impressive.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm like, this tells me a lot.
	This tells me a lot about you.
	That's interesting.
	Also, apparently the US response to Ukraine is all down to Russia's invasion making individual politicians look weak rather than, you know, maybe we shouldn't be okay with superpowers invading and taking over sovereign countries.
	No, no, it's...
	That's a weird one.
	Maybe countries aren't pawns.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that's a bad way to look at giant groups of people who have autonomy and deserve to live lives in dignity.
	Right, right.
	I'd love to know which politicians were supposedly being made to look weak, but he doesn't elaborate any further.
	Anyway, next we get some of Russell's feelings on the transatlantic relationship, right?
	Now before I turn to you on this matter, Dan, this is of course, due to my participation, a transatlantic conversation.
	And you may have friends in the enemy, in the audience, and I have had former adversary, and now newly elected Member of Parliament for Clacton-on-Sea, Nigel Farage, Leader of the Reform Party.
	Thank you so much for joining us for this conversation.
	I can see you know Dan and I presume you know dear Charlie Kirk as well.
	It just got so much weirder.
	Nigel Farage sat down for anyone that's not watching.
	Nigel Farage is here.
	Now it's a weird dream.
	Am I awake?
	As soon as I saw this, I was like, nah, nah, dude, nah, this is not good.
	I expected The conversation between Russell and Nigel to happen.
	I did not expect it to happen at the RNC.
	There have been a couple of videos doing the rounds saying, why is a Member of Parliament for Clacton attending the Republican National Convention in the United States?
	And it's a good question, but the answer amounts to Farage having his head firmly lodged in Trump's rear.
	This is not terribly unusual, as Farage has been out to the States multiple times in support of Donald Trump, has delivered speeches in favor of him of all sorts, right?
	Well, like, Viktor Orban comes over and talks to the RNC, right?
	Like, that's the whole thing.
	It was normal, but still asked the question.
	Yes, still valid question.
	I don't want to be coming from the position of like, oh yeah, of course.
	I don't like that.
	This is fine.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	But I wasn't surprised.
	No, not surprised.
	Still always feels weird every time it happens.
	And yeah, so now we have Charlie Kirk, Russell Brand, Dan Bongino and Nigel Farage all in the same room having a conversation.
	Okay!
	And of course, Russell and Nigel were once nemeses, basically, which Russell has to address up top in this next clip.
	I wonder, just to acknowledge your arrival here, we've not met in person for a very long time, and last time we did it was in a similar panel environment, the barbed remarks were flung around wildly, but since then it appears that via the discourse around anti-establishmentism, Nigel and I have found common ground.
	Just listening, Nigel, just to get you up to speed what we've been talking about, we've been talking about how the Republican Party now is truly the anti-war party.
	That both Dan and Charlie are optimistic that a Vance-Trump partnership in the White House will mean an end to Middle Eastern war, an end to the Ukraine-Russia war.
	Now you were attacked Thanks for saying, as you did as a member of the European Parliament, that Putin was being provoked.
	You didn't try to mitigate Putin's own malevolence.
	That's simply not your job.
	I wonder what you feel on the most vast of stages, the global one, the ascent of Trump and Vance will mean for the most important of geopolitical issues, war.
	Yeah, Russell, it's lovely to see you.
	Thank you.
	Without you abusing me, it's really rather lovely.
	Well, hold on.
	No, I'm joking.
	It was a long time ago, and it's water under the bridge.
	I love it's meaning both, I'll bet.
	That is for Gino. Who will you protect then?
	Go with your instincts.
	I'll tell you what, it was a long time ago.
	And it's water under the bridge, it really is.
	Water under the bridge indeed.
	I do want to reiterate that Russell once called Nigel Farage a pound shop Enoch Powell, i.e.
	a savers or value version of Enoch Powell who was a British politician that delivered the infamous rivers of blood speech about migrants in which he spoke of a random British guy telling him in this country in 15 or 20 years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.
	And that the man would be leaving the country if he could, that guy.
	Enoch Powell then went on to say, quote, As I look ahead I am filled with foreboding.
	Like the Roman, I seem to see the river Tiber foaming with much blood.
	That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic, but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the states itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect.
	Indeed, it has all but come.
	In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.
	Oh, so it's evil and wrong.
	Cool.
	Okay.
	Evil and wrong.
	Evil and wrong.
	And all these black people are coming over here and I don't like it.
	That's what that was about.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	So Russell once compared Nigel Farage to that absolute horror show of a human being.
	Correctly, I will add.
	And said it to Nigel's face on television.
	But now they're newfound best buddies.
	Nigel knows that that helped him.
	Any press helped him.
	And now he's happy as a pig and shit because he won and you can't tell her nothing.
	Especially right now.
	He probably took it as a compliment at least internally at the time.
	Yeah and Russell likes to claim of course that his views have never changed and but that actually political allegiances are shifting and alliances are cropping up in unexpected places but no he's actually just Squarely and firmly among the right wing now.
	That's all that's actually happened.
	So yeah, a lot to talk about with Nigel Farage.
	No, no, they don't give a shit.
	They're like, hey, you're useful.
	Cool.
	Come along.
	Now we get to Farage's perspective on Ukraine.
	Oh, goody.
	I, you know, my sin was I stood up in the European Parliament in 2014 and said there will be a war in Ukraine.
	And they hated me for saying it.
	And they hate me even more for being right about it.
	You know what?
	The causal factors of this...
	It's historic.
	It goes back to the fall of the Berlin Wall.
	There were many educated people here in the State Department, major figures like Henry Kissinger saying, understand what Russia is.
	Understand what Napoleon did to Russia.
	Understand what Hitler did to Russia.
	Understand there is a paranoia in Russia and that Putin's a dictatorial figure.
	And what you don't do with a Russian bear is deliberately poke it with a stick, right?
	But that's history.
	We are now where we are.
	One of the reasons I was attracted to Trump Back in late 2015, was I'd seen a series of American presidents launching what seemed like endless wars, with our government going along with all of them.
	Often fought at enormous cost, not just to us, but to say the civilian population of Iraq, hundreds of thousands of people died there.
	And I'm not a pacifist by any means, but I believe that peace comes Through strength and not through weakness.
	And what Biden did, withdrawing those last 3,000 troops, the way in which he did it, from Kabul, sent a message to the world, to China, to Russia, that the West had given in.
	The West had fallen to pieces.
	And they even had reason to think that NATO was no longer viable, because, you think about it, Britain and America have stood side by side for over 100 years on virtually every single war.
	And Biden did that.
	Did that withdrawal without even telling us?
	Yet we'd been with America, pro rata, we spent the same money, we lost the same number of troops, we're just a smaller country than you, but we'd been with you all the way.
	Don't sit in front of them, Nigel!
	I'm over here working extremely hard!
	Okay, there was a lot wrong with that.
	Firstly, we should all listen to Henry Kissinger, everyone.
	He did just make the claim that the United States and the United Kingdom have stood side-by-side for a hundred years on virtually every war.
	And I thought, That doesn't seem true.
	So, here's some of the wars that the U.S.
	have been involved in without British support, and buckle in, there are quite a few.
	The U.S.
	occupation of Haiti, the U.S.
	occupation of the Dominican Republic, the Vietnam War, the Laotian Civil War, the Pomesta Rebellion, the Lebanon Crisis, the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Dominican Civil War, the Cambodian Civil War, the invasion of Grenada, the Tanka War, the invasion of Panama, and the intervention in Haiti.
	There are also a series of wars and uprisings the United Kingdom didn't receive any U.S.
	support for over the last century.
	A lot of them come down to native populations wanting to tell the British Empire to fuck off.
	But we also had the Cod Wars, the Falklands War, we have the Troubles, and all of these things were things that the U.S.
	didn't get involved in either.
	The majority of conflicts that the U.S.
	and the U.K.
	have been involved in together in the last century are, well, obviously, you have the two World Wars, and then you have the Korean... It's the big ones.
	That's what I'm thinking.
	Yup, the big ones.
	You have the Korean War, and from there it's predominantly wars in the Middle East, you know, the Gulf War onwards, right?
	Usually joined by France and Germany, I will point out.
	It's not just a U.S.-U.K.
	thing.
	Confusingly, Nigel Farage appears to be against all of these wars happening in the Middle East, but is also suggesting that Biden pulling out of Afghanistan completely without first notifying the UK, the bastard, that that apparently sent a signal of weakness that the West was crumbling.
	And I'm confused because he's against the Middle East wars but wanted the US to continue their occupation of Afghanistan.
	And this is doubly confusing because Charlie Cook just a minute ago was advocating for getting out of Afghanistan sooner, but Nigel is saying it's a terrible thing.
	Interesting.
	Interesting.
	It's almost like they just reference things that are convenient.
	Yeah, he was talking about like the message that the pulling out of Afghanistan, the way that it happened to the rest of the world.
	Yeah.
	Maybe there's a lesson.
	Could have started learning in the 60s.
	Yeah, oh, that the US is actually pretty bad at war, definitely terrible at winning.
	Like, maybe we should not get credit for being good at this, because we're not.
	Why is that lesson not being learned?
	It's interesting, I just had a little look at the Wikipedia article of wars the US has been in, and on the right hand side it'll have red if it was lost, green if the US won, or blue if it was kind of somewhere in the middle.
	There was a lot of red in that column, gotta say.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Right.
	That the US is awesome at making war and fucking dog shit at winning war or doing anything positive when these ends just justify these means, but the ends are fucking trash, so maybe we should not be allowed to do these things.
	What I was gonna, I also like that he was going, I knew he would go back in history a little bit, and I don't know why, I feel like maybe, Maybe Nigel Farage is like a born old guy, because he seems like, as soon as I heard of who that person was and saw him a while ago, I was like, oh, he's 300 at least.
	He's looked roughly the same for his entire political career.
	So yeah, he does seem like one of those people.
	Yeah.
	It's wild.
	Because as far as like his position on Ukraine, I figured he'd be like, Well, I remember when we all went on Pangea, and since it was signed in, I don't know if it's such a problem now.
	But he kind of did because he went to Napoleon?
	I do like that.
	Yes, yeah.
	Oh, it's historic.
	It's historic, you know, which is also Putin's claim as well, funnily enough.
	Hmm, how interesting.
	Yeah, also like he mentioned Hitler.
	So J.D.
	Vance, what I think is really funny, and I don't know that the dust has settled for this fact on the RNC at this time, or they probably don't care and they won't reference it, but like J.D.
	Vance called Trump Hitler.
	Yes!
	Yes.
	Yeah!
	He was doing the Never Trump.
	Yeah.
	So, hmm.
	I don't know.
	Just sticks out to me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I feel like, I don't know, maybe you shouldn't trust the guy
	to do a great job.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, maybe everything they're saying is just expedient in the moment, and they don't think more
	than 25 minutes ahead ever.
	That feels about right.
	Yeah, given the movement in positions we've seen while covering this show, yeah, that feels about right.
	That feels about right.
	Just hey, whatever suits.
	Next we come to the inevitable subject of migration.
	Another of the areas that I hear all of you talk about is, of course, border security.
	Now, when the opponents, the many vocal and vociferous opponents that all of you, and indeed I have, on a variety of issues, but there's focus on this one, what we are continually told is that with regard to the issue of migration, that there is a kind of a legacy of compassion that is owed to refugees.
	And I've heard you say many times, Nigel, that, you know, that legal immigration is necessary.
	I just wonder what you think is the reason that your political opponent continue to advocate
	for migration, both legal and otherwise, although you've significantly reframed and moved that
	argument in our country for sure.
	I wonder how you regard the use of compassion as the undergirding for that argument, given
	that we have seen so much malevolence in the subject of war, so much ineptitude during
	COVID, such a lack of compassion elsewhere within the neoliberal establishment.
	Do you feel like you've been proven right on this issue?
	But in particular, would you focus on the aspect of compassion when it comes to migration?
	I'll start with you, Nigel, because you know your time is limited here.
	It's not compassionate.
	...to people who've legally come to America or Britain, been through the process, spent their money, obeyed the law, got their citizenship.
	It's not compassionate to them for someone to walk straight across the border or come on a small boat across the sea and get benefits and get put up in hotels.
	That's not compassionate.
	It's actually completely unfair.
	And it's not compassionate...
	to impose upon communities young men because that's what it is it's not you don't see women and children or very few of them it's young men who come from totally different cultures who are not assimilating not treating women in a way that we would think to be reasonable and fair in many cases coming From organised crime groups, going straight into drug farms, whatever it is.
	This isn't about compassion, it's about common sense.
	And common sense says, and Reagan said it 40 years ago, unless you control your borders, you're not a proper country.
	That's what it comes down to.
	Aha, so we've listened to Kissinger, we should also listen to Ronald fucking Reagan.
	Good.
	So in about half a minute there, Nigel Farage managed to paint all migrants, particularly those seeking asylum, as young male misogynistic criminals and drug traffickers who are sponging off the welfare state.
	And he's saying it's not fair to put them up in hotels and give them benefits while legal migrants are having to work and went through that lengthy process.
	Aha, okay.
	Firstly, those seeking asylum aren't receiving welfare.
	They're not allowed to, legally.
	They receive asylum support, and in this country that's a maximum of £49.18 per week to cover food, toiletries, clothes and travel.
	Anyone in the UK with an awareness of the cost of food right now, please tell me how these people are supposed to be able to afford to fucking eat.
	Especially when stuck in rooms, by the way, with no cooking facilities.
	Secondly, the only reason they are stuck in those hotels is that there aren't enough people to process the number of refugees because the departments doing so in both the UK and the US are not adequately funded, not by any stretch.
	These people don't want to be there, They are stuck there!
	Thirdly, as we've covered before, the percentage of male and female migrants in both the UK and the US is roughly 50%, so half and half, including a whole bunch of children.
	And the ages also vary drastically, exactly like you would expect, and they're absolutely not all young men, nor are they all just fucking criminals.
	Obviously they're not.
	So what we have here is basically all of the talking points of Great Replacement Theory, just without highlighting the Jews as being the ones pulling the strings behind the scenes.
	And at least he's not doing that now.
	But Farage has previously cited it being due to the globalists.
	He's called Goldman Sachs the enemy, as well as blaming George Soros for all of it, and saying migration would imperil the future of our civilization.
	Which, big words.
	Now, Goldman Sachs, fair enough, they are the enemy, but that's because they're investment bankers, not because of a great Jewish conspiracy, right?
	Boy.
	Yeah, that was just, okay.
	All right.
	I mean, the hotels thing really is especially galling because, yeah, they wouldn't need to.
	And specifically, the reason they would ever be on any, receive any kind of government assistance, is because it is illegal for them to work and they have to
	earn money covertly on like at great personal risk and legal risk to be able to
	survive.
	Yep. And we know, at least in America, that that undocumented people are far less likely to commit
	crimes than citizens are. Yeah.
	Yeah, because if that happens, they get fucking kicked out.
	You know, that's why.
	At best.
	At best, you know, that's true.
	They go to jail in America.
	It's bad.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they get locked in prison for an indeterminate amount of time.
	Good.
	Great system we've got, everybody.
	Anyway, next, Charlie Cook has a really good point to make.
	Yeah, and my perspective from the States, I'm an immigration restrictionist.
	It's not just the southern border, it's our legal problem as well.
	We have too many legal immigrants coming into America.
	And this is something, this is the third rail of American politics.
	But when you have, Elon Omar is a legal immigrant to the United States.
	Has Ilhan Omar enriched the United States of America?
	No.
	She hates this country.
	She's an ingrate.
	So it's not just that we have a southern border problem, which obviously they're trying to replace the American population for political purposes, but we have a legal immigration problem that we keep on bringing people that do not share our values.
	And JD Vance said it politely and correctly last night in a way I've never heard it framed.
	If you are a newcomer, you come on our terms.
	And that means when we want you.
	And that means never, because Charlie Kirk doesn't want any migration full stop, unless it's possibly of white people, which he's a little bit more okay with.
	Anyway, Ilhan Omar, supposedly an ingrate who has never enriched the United States of America.
	Ilhan Omar.
	Elon is Elon Musk, you idiot.
	Yeah, right.
	Just say the thing.
	Oh my god.
	This perspective is interesting because Ilhan Omar has arguably served her country or community in one form or another since 2006 when she was a community nutrition educator at the University of Minnesota.
	Then she got involved in politics, working as campaign manager for a state senate race and then becoming a child nutrition outreach coordinator at the Minnesota Department of Education.
	She managed another political campaign for Minneapolis City Council, later serving as Andrew Johnson's senior policy aide.
	And then in September 2015, Omar was the director of policy initiatives of the Women Organizing Women Network, advocating for women from East Africa to take on civic and political leadership roles in America.
	She then was elected to state legislature in the Minnesota House of Representatives in 2016, before being elected to U.S.
	Congress in 2018.
	And she's been there ever since, with the Democratic primary for this 2024 election coming up on August 13th.
	So, essentially, she's served the country in one capacity or another for 18 years, and yet, according to Charlie Kirk, she's done nothing to enrich the United States of America.
	Charlie Kirk, on the other hand, well, he's perfectly fine to have just been an aggressively bigoted little shit in front of a microphone for 12 or so years, and that's fine and is enriching to the fabric of America somehow.
	Well, he's a man.
	So he's a white guy.
	So obviously he's the most useful.
	I mean, genuinely, like, I bet he doesn't think that any of those things are worth, like, that's not probably what he would consider worthwhile at all.
	Yeah, no, he definitely wouldn't.
	Or he would say like, oh, no, she was trying to do all this terrible stuff.
	The, you know, Trying to take the country down from the inside, as these people like to say.
	And calling her an ingrate?
	Are you her stepdad who's had too many fucking Thanksgivings?
	Yeah, right.
	What?
	Are you her worst uncle who everyone hates but has to put up with?
	That's nuts.
	That's so mean.
	Yeah.
	Fucking, oh man, he just hates women.
	Wow.
	And yeah, I mean all of her, all of her intersectional identities.
	Oh, it's just, it's his worst nightmare.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	She's shorthand.
	Yes.
	She's.
	Shorthand for women and brown people, and I get to hate all of them collectively by invoking her name specifically, but then also not actually saying anything specific about her or her career.
	He doesn't need to know.
	No.
	It's so gross.
	And she wears a hijab, so there we go.
	Ha ha!
	Evil.
	Done and done.
	Yeah, that's it.
	That's it.
	Incredible.
	If she's in a pool store, it's over.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	That's crazy.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	And now Russell brings up the issue of globalism.
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	It seems impossible and unwise for me to decouple the issue of migration from other threats to national sovereignty.
	Your argument about borders seems apposite and clear and I appreciate and understand it.
	But what sense is there in protecting borders when it comes to the subject of immigration?
	If the nation is not economically protected from forms of globalism and corporatism that are less easy to identify but similarly present a drain on the country.
	We'd spoke before your arrival Nigel about the urgent requirement for America and I presume you would see this similarly the United Kingdom to be extricated from foreign wars.
	But what do you think too?
	About the influence of global corporatism on domestic politics in our country and in this one because we focus so much certainly in this environment on bureaucracy and entrenched bureaucracies and the corruption of an unelected deep state class running things.
	Because I know that you know a great deal about international commerce and finance I wonder how you regard the insidious influence of financial power that is non-domestic on for example British politics.
	Well it's the unholy trinity isn't it of big banks Big business and big politics.
	So the more you regulate an industry, the more it suits the multinational.
	Because it makes it very, very difficult for small and medium-sized competitors to enter into the marketplace.
	So big bureaucracy suits the multinationals.
	They love it.
	And in our case, they don't even pay tax in the UK.
	You know, their corporate profits are paid through Dublin or paid through somewhere else.
	I think the effect of corporatism is it stifles new ideas, it stifles competition, it reduces choice in the marketplace.
	I'm a capitalist.
	And when you hear the left attacking capitalism, there isn't any capitalism.
	We're living in corporatism.
	And it gets harder and harder for the little guy, the little woman, that wants to run their own business and set up, they find themselves being crushed by regulation, Crushed by taxes, and that's bad for the economy.
	And the last time we saw real wealth creation going from the bottom up, where the gap between the top and the bottom started to narrow, was in the 1980s.
	And in the vanguard of all of that were men and women going out, setting up their own businesses.
	Reagan was a great advocate of it.
	Thatcher was a great advocate of it.
	And at the moment, nobody in politics understands small business, understands entrepreneurship.
	And that's one of the things that I want to fight really hard for.
	What?
	So, Nigel Farage just said he wants to fight really hard for Reaganomics.
	Yeah, the notion Thatcher and Reagan somehow closed some of the wealth gap is not just absurd, it's completely ahistorical.
	It's just, no, it's not true at all, Nigel.
	It's profoundly, it's so thoroughly not true.
	The opposite happened!
	Fun headline from Thatcher's very first term.
	There were nearly 3.3 million unemployed in Britain in 1984, right at the end of her first term, compared to 1.5 million when she first came to power in 1979.
	She more than doubled unemployment.
	Yeah.
	You know, so while credited with reviving Britain's economy, the wealthy people at the top were happy,
	Thatcher was also blamed for, yeah, doubling the relative poverty rate as well. These issues were
	then intentionally ignored and exacerbated by her government. She was called "milk snatcher"
	like for cutting funding for primary school children to have free little cartons of milk,
	you know, to make sure they had enough calcium because a lot of families couldn't afford to buy
	food. It's oh oh and supposedly deregulation is the answer which oh yeah that's worked out
	fucking terrifically.
	When companies can just do whatever they want with reckless abandon and don't pay any fucking taxes.
	Because he is right that corporations don't pay their taxes in this country, which is completely insane and needs to be fixed.
	But it is strange that he wasn't talking about this while trying to get elected a month ago.
	There was no big, like, close the tax loopholes portion of the reform UK manifesto when he supposedly wanted to be Prime Minister.
	In fact, what Farage wanted to do and what he proposed to do was 90 billion pounds worth of cuts specifically to the super wealthy.
	Like, oh, he's just a lying bastard.
	There's honestly no other way to put it.
	I mean, well, it's worked.
	Why would you stop?
	Yeah!
	Successfully lying bastard.
	That's amazing.
	Well, but also you've got like, you're in a room that's a Reagan circle jerk.
	That's true.
	And Russell knows that he doesn't, Russell doesn't care.
	But these other two dudes are like about it, I'm sure.
	About Jellybean president himself.
	Like that's... Oh yeah.
	I mean, I guess you can just say stuff, huh?
	They'll sell a microphone to anybody, so... Pretty much.
	And here we are, and now he's a Member of Parliament.
	Oh, goody.
	Ah, dear.
	Yeah, but they're recording!
	That's the thing, is they write shit down when you say shit in Parliament.
	If you just say it on the corner, there's no one checking.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	That's what all these people need.
	They need someone to follow them around and be like, nope, nope.
	They'd be like, hey, uh, no, you did what you said last week.
	Yeah, you're right.
	Yeah, I know it's inconvenient.
	We wrote it down.
	I know, bummer.
	Not great for your plan, but that's kind of the rules.
	It's not my fault if you didn't read the rules before you agreed to it.
	Once you hit a certain size of audience, you need like an accountability monitor to just follow you around constantly.
	You know, whenever there's a microphone in front of you, they have to be there as well, by law.
	Well, I mean, that's like that's that should just be the audience because we're also looking at people that are propped up by private, like by dark money.
	Definitely.
	I know Charlie Kirk is.
	That's the thing is like he's not even like he needs infusions of massive amounts of like Donor cash.
	So he's one of those that's like, he's not even good at making money.
	At least Russell, from what we know, because we don't know any better, at least Russell can make his own money with his content.
	Whereas Charlie Kirk is also good at burning other people's money for the sake of this rich psycho ideology.
	I can't speak to Bongino either, because he seems a little more... I don't know.
	He seems less funded than Charlie.
	Yeah, but I'm not gonna say that.
	No guarantees.
	I'm just guessing and I don't know.
	No guarantees.
	I don't know.
	I'm only speaking to what I do know.
	Yeah, man.
	Wow.
	Yeah, and Farage is funding.
	Next, Dan Bongino clearly wasn't listening all that well when Russell was speaking a minute ago, because he thinks that Russell is actually advocating for the compassionate position, which he very much wasn't.
	He was presenting it as, well, this is what these people say, now take it down for me, please.
	Destroy this idea of compassion.
	I didn't want that.
	I wasn't being compassionate.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I know Nigel Farage is like, I was not being compassionate.
	No, no, no, not at all.
	Stop that right in its tracks.
	Yeah, Russell put the compassion idea out there in order for everyone to eviscerate it.
	But Dan Bongino misunderstood and thinks that Russell is actually presenting that position, and he then proceeds to school Russell on why compassion is not compassion.
	Russell, listen.
	You know, compassion without a plan is actually not only not compassion, it's the inverse.
	It's immoral.
	I'll give you an example.
	Maybe it'll make sense.
	You know, we've got to take care of people that are poor around the world.
	Yes, we live in a world of scarce resources.
	There's always going to be people who are poor, and people who are rich, and people in between.
	I'm sorry that's the way the world was designed.
	I'm not the creator.
	That's the world we live in.
	Everything's scarce.
	Water, air, everything, okay?
	We have to take care of our nation first.
	Here's an example for you.
	See, I'm Russell Brand, I'm compassionate.
	You know, I want to build houses for the homeless.
	Love you, Russell, that's such a great idea.
	And then, you don't know anything about houses, but you're compassionate.
	You build a couple houses, the homeless gentleman moves in, the next day the house collapses and kills him.
	It wasn't only unethical and not compassionate, it was downright immoral for you to do something you had no battle plan for.
	Compassion with no battle plan is immoral.
	It's not just not compassionate.
	And it goes back to, again, Thomas Sowell's description of this conflict of visions.
	You have a vision, Nigel, Charlie, and I have together on the conservatarian side, where our vision is this.
	Man is inherently conflicted.
	Men can be mercenary.
	There's an evil in the world that'll never be purged.
	Your only goal as a governing system in the government you're thankfully now a part of is to control the latent evil that exists in men.
	Your goal is not to make my life better.
	Your goal is to get the fuck out of my way and let me make my own life better.
	You don't know shit about me.
	You don't know anything about my business.
	You don't know anything about my health condition, about the educational goals I have for my kid.
	Get out of my way.
	Give me police services, give me a decent, strong military, a court system, and please, God, I don't use names in vain, get the fuck out of my way.
	I don't want you to do shit for me.
	Shut the fuck up and go there and do nothing.
	Am I allowed to curse on your show?
	Dan, I'm going to use this opportunity to say no, but we need a little more clarity on what your perspective is on this subject.
	You're being too vague.
	Laris.
	Um, okay.
	So.
	Oh, the first part I completely agree with.
	I'm sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, no.
	Feelings.
	Well, whatever you were, whatever you had for it.
	And then I'm not gonna, I don't want to, you know, repeat whatever you're already gonna say.
	So.
	No, I was just gonna say, like, Bongino just said the role of government is not to make people's lives better, but the role of government is to control the latent evil in the hearts of men, and to otherwise get the fuck out of the way.
	And I don't think he understands what governments do.
	Like, cool bro, you want government to get the fuck out of the way but do you want there to be roads to drive on?
	Schools to be funded maybe?
	Healthcare in any form at all?
	Pensions?
	Social security of any kind?
	Water regulation?
	Because those feel important and he doesn't seem to want any of them.
	I will say the thing that would have stopped that house from collapsing in his little example, the thing that would have stopped that would be regulation.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But that's what I'm saying.
	Like, that's like, so as soon as Dan Bongino went into that quote, I was like, I know this is gonna be fucking stupid.
	I'm not whatever.
	No, because the first part of what he said, as far as like, because I knew it was gonna be an excuse for his own feelings.
	And whatever those may be.
	And I also knew he was going to make a hard turn, which he did.
	I do not disagree that compassion without a plan, as far as what he's saying.
	So any kind of government intervention or any kind of management or organization of resources to be fair or not wasteful or quote unquote battle plans.
	What he was talking about, like, his, his, like, the definition that he was driving at for quote unquote, like, battle plans to be compassionate.
	Yeah, he's saying he wants regulation and management of resources.
	That's like what he was advocating for in the first part of what he was saying.
	And then immediately turned around like, "What else do you think this is?"
	Like it's, this is not, I mean, and oh, we're gonna, cops are the best solution.
	I mean, he was a cop, so like fucking, we know what he's gonna say.
	But also, I don't even know about that, because of the conversations I have had with law enforcement in my life, don't think that the cops know they're assholes.
	Like, every other cop but them is an asshole, so I don't know if that's anything aside from just something that behooves him to mention in the moment, but if you ask him specifically about what cops do, he probably has, like, he probably doesn't fucking talk shit.
	So, that's like, I can't, all the things he said contradicted each other.
	And that doesn't make any sense.
	I feel like you've kind of taken it to the logical step of like, oh no, no, you shouldn't help without a plan.
	Whereas Dan Bongino's plan stops at, you shouldn't help.
	And that's where his vision ends.
	Then don't say plan!
	Just say don't help!
	Because genuinely, one of the things that fucking drives my little fucking eco-friendly hippie ass crazy is greenwashing generally.
	Specifically saying we're going to plant a bunch of trees and that's why we can destroy the planet as a corporation.
	Whatever greenwashing fucking campaign.
	Because if you know anything about... I mean, listen, maybe it's good.
	Maybe the paper company is doing the right thing, but the problem is not going to be fixed by planting more trees that may not be indigenous, that may not be... I mean, there's a lot of like...
	Feel good PR opportunities veiled as the compassionate plan.
	And it drives me absolutely crazy because the amount of both like greenwashing...
	Detrimental, like, generationally damaging behavior from corporations is then greenwashed by saying, we plant trees and we have this little, like, we made, we paid somebody to draw a picture of a cute little owl to convince you that we're planting trees and actually it's all fine when they are, the amount of harm that has been done by these, like, campaigns that are intended to greenwash a brand is Crazy.
	So yeah, the first part, I completely agree with him.
	Because he was also lying, because he just didn't want the compassion at all.
	Yes.
	Just say you don't want to help.
	Yeah, just say fuck houseless people and end it there, because that's what you're trying to say, Dan.
	Oh dear.
	Okay, now from here we move to the subject of taxes in the UK.
	What do you think about the emergence of similar alliances, based on what Dan Bongino has just said, that so many of us just want the government to get the fuck out of the way because we don't trust them?
	Excuse my language.
	I mean, yeah, I'll resist.
	I will resist the language, if you'll allow me.
	I would never think of myself as reserved, but yeah, you know what?
	Government getting out of the way was my point about small business.
	That they are regulated to a level where many people say, just, what is the point of doing this?
	The same goes for tax systems, where we in the UK now see a brain drain.
	First time in 40 years that young, bright people are leaving the country because the tax burden is getting worse.
	They're saying, enlarging tax rates of 63% now on the last portion of income.
	People say, what's the point of being here?
	But the new politics is if you are in between £100,000 and £120,000, you're paying 63% tax.
	The government literally owns a majority of you.
	It's just a disaster.
	Yeah, so this is some bullshit.
	Obviously, young people are not leaving the UK because of taxes.
	We're leaving because it's a fucking mess here and because of Brexit.
	Anyway.
	Ding ding ding, that's what I thought.
	Okay, good.
	The highest rate of tax on income in this country is 45%, and that is for any amount earned over £125,140.
	for £125,140.
	And then between £50,000 and £125,000 you would be taxed at 40%.
	And between £12,000 and £50,000 you'd be taxed 20%.
	And anything less than £12,500 you don't pay any income tax at all.
	What most people don't understand is that these are marginal tax rates.
	So the tax of 45% only applies to the amount earned over that £125,000 threshold.
	So if you're earning £200,000 in a job over here, which puts you squarely in the top 1% of earners in the UK, by the way, You'll pay 20% income tax on the first £50,000, then 40% on the amount between £50,000 and £125,000.
	Anything above that, you'll pay 45% taxes on.
	So, for that £200,000 salary, your take-home pay under the current system for that year would be £117,786.
	However, that is on income.
	By the way, it's not 63%, obviously.
	Above that, you'll pay 45% taxes on.
	So for that £200,000 salary, your take-home pay under the current system for that year
	would be £117,786.
	However, that is on income.
	By the way, it's not 63%, obviously.
	But that is all on income paid to you by a company, for instance.
	That's say if that was your salary.
	But if it were just a business that you, you know, usually at that point people, you know, tend to, earning that much tend to be kind of at the top of the business.
	There are all sorts of ways, if you own a business, to make things like brand new Range Rovers count as a business cost.
	And plenty of ways to do that personally, you know, if you're the owner.
	There are also tax-free allowances for savings interest and dividend income if you own shares in a company.
	So those can be tax-free.
	Yeah, there are also trading and property allowances as well.
	And there are various tax reliefs available for business owners.
	Basically, there's no fucking way that anyone earning £200,000 a year is actually paying those amounts of taxes because of the amount of loopholes and tax relief that we have.
	It's absolutely... The whole argument that he's trying to make is completely fucking absurd.
	It's almost like if you are making that amount of money that you should be contributing more to running the country you're operating in because you are using more of the resources Because you have employees under you, you are using roads, and you are using infrastructure, which you could not accomplish that degree of wealth and that degree of accumulation without massive amounts of infrastructure that you are using to run the business.
	Or participate in the business that is being run.
	Pretty much.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Just unbelievable.
	Of course, this is an issue to Nigel Farage, who earns many, many millions every single year.
	Oh, does he still have millions, though?
	Does he still have them?
	I'm sorry.
	Is he poverty stricken?
	Is he living in a box?
	I mean, if that's the case.
	The taxes are wrong, right?
	His salary as an MP is $80,000 a year, you know, just $80-something a year.
	It goes up every year, of course.
	But he earns more than that every year, right?
	So that's why he's complaining about this massive tax that he has to pay?
	He appeared on a reality television show last year, I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Out of Here, and he got $1.5 million for that appearance for several weeks.
	Okay, sure, but I mean, if he's making this kind of complaint, then obviously he's destitute because of all these taxes he has to pay.
	You would think.
	You would think.
	No, he seems to be seems to be doing okay.
	Wow, crazy.
	Yeah, yeah.
	One would think that, you know, given the conditions he's described, he wouldn't even be able to afford a flight out to Milwaukee to go to the RNC, but there he is.
	Now, Nigel starts talking about what he calls the marzipan class.
	So a class of people not quite at the top of the cake, but almost.
	Underneath the icing, that's the top of the cake, there's the marzipan, right?
	Americans are going to have no fucking clue what he's talking about.
	Yeah, well, he just uses it briefly as an example, thankfully, and Russell references it here.
	Nigel is talking about the people working in media and government, etc., in kind of relatively upper-middle-class positions, at the very least, who are ruining both the UK and the US.
	And it's a stupid and nonsensical point, but it prompts Russell to ask this.
	I wonder if you think that part of what's happening now is that there's a sort of an emergence of confidence and pride in those communities that have been abandoned by this professional marzipan class that you described.
	Do you feel that there's a kind of a new robustness?
	Yes, I do, and it's funny, isn't it?
	If you say anything in the public space that can be construed to be homophobic or racist, you're out.
	Even if it's not, but you're out.
	You're cancelled.
	But basically, treat the entirety of the working class with total contempt, and that's absolutely fine.
	Especially if they're white.
	I mean, it makes it even better.
	No problem at all.
	The deplorables, right?
	The famous deplorables.
	This is the point I was going to make.
	Clinton did it back in 2016.
	She talked about the deplorables.
	She felt no sense of guilt or shame in writing off huge numbers of Americans.
	No, the real divide in society is snobbery.
	Yeah.
	And now a lack of social mobility.
	Far fewer people, Russell, from working class backgrounds getting into media, even getting into the top ranks of politics, of sport.
	There's a very big class divide.
	And I do think, I do think that among many of those working class communities, there is a feeling that enough is enough.
	At least for those who've still got ambition.
	We'll get to why he just said that about ambition in a moment, but yeah, the whites are being attacked everybody
	and enough is enough The yeah, it's okay it I mean it at least you know what he's
	just saying it out loud Like, oh, well, if you attack the whites, then that's fine.
	What do I even say to this?
	Like, This is absurd.
	Absurd and gross.
	I expect a person, and maybe this is wrong of me, I expect a person that looks and acts and says things that Nigel Farage, like, yeah, okay, yeah.
	You're a pretty old piece of shit British guy, like, with political machinations.
	Like, of course.
	Yeah, okay.
	Like, I could hear you saying like, you know, the Nazis actually weren't that bad.
	I met a few of them at a cocktail party and they were quite cordial, like that.
	Yeah, okay.
	You're that guy.
	The real problem here is snobbery.
	Yeah, I don't like being told about class war by someone who earns millions and millions of pounds.
	By a snob?
	Yeah!
	By a snob.
	And I'm being told of the evils of class war and snobbery by four men, all of which are multi-multi-millionaires.
	Like, I don't know, maybe I'm crazy, but that doesn't seem right.
	Y'all can't not be snobby to the other people on the couch with you in the room.
	Get out of here.
	I'm watching y'all do it.
	Right now.
	I mean, was he looking?
	Mirrors are a relatively new invention for Nigel Farage, but maybe he was looking in one and it threw him off.
	I don't know.
	Accusing other people of snobberism.
	The real problem with me is the snobbery.
	God, I'm a snob, aren't I?
	I'm actually not nearly snobby enough.
	I'm sitting here with you grubby children in t-shirts on this couch right now.
	Bloody Americans.
	Yes, exactly.
	If these snobs were nicer to me then I wouldn't even have to talk to you.
	I wouldn't have to pretend you were human.
	If I didn't need Steve Bannon then I wouldn't have to be here.
	Anyway, we've got one more clip and it's Nigel talking about those without ambition in society.
	For many others, the welfare state in our country, and we're seeing it here now in America,
	the rapid growth of the welfare state, where people can be better off not working than
	they are working.
	And that leads to a level of depression, it leads to a level of drug abuse, it leads to
	a level of frankly downward societal decay.
	So we have to find ways of getting those on benefits back to work, and we have to find
	ways of giving those working class communities, who've been so done down by de-industrialization
	and everything else, we've got to find a way of giving them hope and optimism.
	But are they ready for a new political message?
	Are they ready for a new kind of leadership?
	You bet your life they are.
	You know, whatever his faults are, whether you like him or not, I do think Donald Trump represents some sense of hope for those communities.
	And again, picking J.D.
	Vance, picking a Midwesterner, I think that was a very, very clever thing to do.
	I think there's no question now after recent events that it seems that there is an unassailable ascent and extraordinary optimism.
	And my prayer as a person who is somewhat outside of this, other than my contributions to this wonderful platform, is that this does augur the kind of optimism and the kind of change that all of us would like to see.
	The kind of individual freedom, community freedom, and the kind of responsibility-derived liberty that's been discussed and eloquently conveyed by all of you over the course of this conversation.
	And let's not forget that it all took place on Rumble.
	Nigel, thank you for this impromptu opportunity to speak, and I hope we get more chances to speak because we share many things in common and have a lot to talk about, I hope and I pray.
	Yeah, you do.
	And I'm sure we'll be seeing Nigel back on Stay Free sometime soon.
	I'm going to help him out.
	What he meant to say last was, and if they'd rather die, well, they'd better do it and decrease the surplus population.
	Wow.
	This is if Scrooge told all the ghosts to fuck off.
	This is amazing.
	That's Farage in a nutshell, I like that.
	Yeah, I'm going to just starve you little shit!
	That's crazy!
	More boy!
	Yeah, that could be Nigel Farage.
	The hope and optimism that Russell speaks of seems to be... Is not real?
	Well, yeah, it's fuck the migrants, fuck the poor, and fuck those who are on welfare or universal credit in this country.
	You know, that's the optimism here.
	Okay.
	So in terms of- He must be referencing optimism that is somewhere not in the room with them at the moment, right?
	Like this optimism is stored in a cryogenic chamber very far away from this wildly negative, terrifyingly like bummer of a room.
	Yeah, somewhat.
	So obviously, you know, Nigel being an MP in this country, I'm going to roll out a few stats on welfare here.
	You know, the universal credit, as it's called, because almost all of our welfare benefits are rolled into one service now, for better or for worse.
	There were 6.7 million Universal Credit claimants as of April 2024.
	Over half of them have children, meaning they will be claiming for things like child tax credits or child support, which is dependent upon income by the way.
	38% of the people on Universal Credit are in employment and are working.
	So, 38% of them have jobs and are working.
	2.5 million claimants meet the No Work Requirements standard, which means they're not expected to work at present.
	And this can be for their own health or disabilities, or if someone's a carer and that caring responsibility prevents them from working or preparing for work.
	Other examples include those in full-time education, though that's quite rare, and those over state pension age as well, and those with a child under the age of one.
	And also, like, literally all of this is only applicable if you earn less than £23,000 a year.
	If you earn more than that, then you don't get a fucking penny.
	And also the amount that you earn negatively affects how much Universal Credit you get below that £23,000 threshold as well.
	So if you earn money, they take money away from your welfare, right?
	So basically, Farage is completely full of shit!
	And only 1.5 million of the claimants on Universal Credit are what we call job seekers who are actively looking for work.
	And they're forced to show evidence of their job hunting, have weekly appointments with a work coach, attend mandatory jobs fairs, and ultimately are forced to accept a job if it's offered to them regardless of circumstances.
	And if they don't do any of those things, then their money stops, and they're fucked.
	So they have to do those things no matter what.
	So yeah, just...
	Oh, absolute nonsense from this man.
	Like, how do you even engage with what he's saying?
	Because it's so... every part of it is completely fabricated.
	Yes, yes.
	It's just... It's parroting, like, the same talking points as Thatcher and Reagan, you know?
	It's making the Welfare Queen fucking argument.
	The inaccuracy in and of itself, it should bar you from being able to hold office.
	Unless you can prove that you actually know reality, you know the circumstances, even just where you are, the place you're governing from, your representative constituency.
	If you can't prove to me that you know what's actually happening, Yeah.
	You should not be allowed to govern.
	Like a basic quiz.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Pretty much.
	I don't think Nigel knows that much about Clacton.
	I don't think he's ever spent that much time there.
	And yet he is now the Member of Parliament there.
	Well, right, but that's what I'm saying.
	How are you... I mean, okay.
	And here it's even worse.
	Yeah.
	So I don't even know.
	I mean, I don't know if I could pass like a reading test to get into Congress here.
	And I don't mean that in like the I mean that in a different ways.
	Comprehension.
	Yes.
	I just realized I sounded extreme again.
	It's a very boomer ass thing to say.
	And oh, man, I don't mean it in that way.
	I'm not doing a minion meme right now.
	It's just like comprehension level because but then also you're not going to want to admit that because then you'd then whatever kind of accountability mechanism be like oh well you just lied on this show a whole bunch because you know the real thing it's all about like building implausible deniability really I guess it just it's insane to me.
	Why am I just like, I don't know, I feel like I'm confronting just one of a thousand facets of insanity with government every single time we have, um, every time, every single time we record an episode.
	And this is one of those things is like, man, why do they not have to know anything?
	Yeah, yeah.
	And why are they allowed to lie so much?
	You have to know stuff to be able to go to school.
	Like, you get tested in school.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And if you fail the tests, then you can't progress in school.
	Yeah, yeah, like at the very least you would think, I don't know, maybe like a test on whatever bill that, you know, they're having to vote on, you know?
	Like, okay, we expect you to, before you vote on it, we expect you to pass this test explaining what the thing is.
	And if you don't pass the test then you have to go away and do some work so you understand what it is you're voting about here.
	You know, that at the very least would be a good start.
	Oh, they'd really hate that.
	Oh, they would.
	Oh, no.
	It's never going to happen.
	It can't be multiple choice.
	It's never going to happen.
	It can't be.
	No, no, no.
	It's too easy to make educated guesses.
	Even multiple choice.
	Fill in a Scantron.
	That's better than nothing.
	It's better than nothing.
	It's better than nothing, that's true, that's true.
	Yeah, the Labour Party over here have made noises about trying to legislate against politicians lying, and I'm like, well, that's never gonna happen, is it?
	And also, good luck enforcing it, even if it does.
	Because, yeah.
	Because obviously, you know, we've had big lies over the last decade derail our entire country.
	You know, Brexit, etc.
	I wouldn't know anything about that.
	Yeah, right.
	You've had different lies derail yours.
	Exactly.
	Januaries get real interesting around here now.
	Yeah, I am glad we are done with these four individuals because holy shit what a terrible lineup of awful people.
	Oh, is the next one going to be really swell?
	I mean, I'll say it won't be four shitheads.
	That's as much of a spoiler as I'll give you.
	There will be fewer of them.
	That was the fun part!
	Watching them hate each other was the fun part.
	Listening to them absolutely despise each other.
	And have a pissing contest that also actively hearing them lose.
	That was adorable.
	That was actually fun.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, that's what we're here for.
	That's what we do.
	That's what we're here for.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I would love to have the brain of a goldfish.
	And then as soon as they go away, then so does the problem.
	But I don't think that's how it actually works.
	So yeah, I mean, if we weren't all here to find the things out.
	Then, you know, I mean, there's plenty of lawn mowing to do in video games.
	There is, there is, there is.
	I will be doing some later this week, I'm sure.
	If I can find the time.
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