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July 18, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #65 - Candace Owens 2: Perpetual Victim

Look who's back on Stay Free brandishing her newfound Catholicism. Let's see what hateful things Candace has been saying lately, and how that somehow makes her the victim. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - actualgoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth and each week I go through an episode of Brand's show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, I'm Lauren B. I'm the host that closes all of the curtains and still looks like a ghost and has no idea what this episode is going to be about.
	But it's usually bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing this week?
	I'm going to do a classic LB move and start with bad, but then it's going to be good.
	Hang in there.
	I talked about it on the stream and basically Craft Alliance is this big organization that has a lot of funding and does a lot of grants and all this kind of stuff and made the wrong move and caved to Zionists and then the story got picked up.
	We saw it on our little Hometown feeds and Instagram then it got picked up by hyperallergic.
	So it's actually a big deal now.
	That was the impetus for me and I've mentioned the ceramics moment before.
	You know doing some ceramics things with my amazing friend Liz who's so talented and generous with her time and skills.
	And rat tit on Instagram.
	It's as entertaining as someone like her art is very cool and Rat Tit really explains what she does.
	She's a brilliant person.
	I'm on board already.
	I don't think it was intentional, but it's great branding.
	I've been carving some plates with her.
	Carving plates, it'll make sense for the visual folks.
	But basically there was this kind of, basically this like backlash against
	an two 11 month residencies.
	And then craft a line with artists who are making like watermelons and keys and this little possum with flowers on it.
	A little ceramic possum with flowers on it, which actually is really, really cool.
	It was the main image for Hyperallergic.
	I was like, oh, that's like way cooler than even the pictures they were posting.
	Why are you being humble?
	That's crazy.
	Um, and I was like, no, right?
	This is still art and craft specifically, um, that it is relevant.
	It is important if people are trying to make it go away.
	Well, I'm definitely going to use these ideas that I had talked myself out of for stupid reasons.
	So I want to show off these things that I've been making.
	So we've got, oh, and so all are free with, uh, olives and oh, there's, oh man.
	That's a very cool plate.
	Thank you.
	Well, yeah, and it's yeah, I mean, it's got to be useful.
	It's funny.
	I'm like, oh, that is a big plate until Liz also cooks or they like serve lunch.
	Also delicious.
	I get spoiled.
	I'm like, oh, and she just uses all her own plates.
	I was like, oh, these are actually really useful.
	That's great.
	Second one.
	I've been dipping back into my old No world class war.
	Yeah, no world class war.
	And they're going to be some... It's really fun to kind of like figure out.
	I just kind of sat down.
	Didn't take long at all and figured out like, oh, I can draw barbed wire and I can paint barbed wire and I can carve barbed wire.
	Figured it out.
	So we're going to do barbed wire and some leaves.
	And then I'm just doing a series to kind of... We're Spite!
	Out of Spite!
	It's entirely from Spite.
	So I think that spite is such an underrated fuel for creative expression.
	Yeah, I'm entirely on board with spiteful crockery.
	I think that's fantastic.
	Yeah, there's and there is a long and storied history with spiteful crockery, you know, spiteful ceramics and like intentionally kind of subversive ceramics.
	Much like printmaking, it's sort of the people's art.
	It's one of the people's arts.
	So it's just... I'm using my little platform to bring attention to these people that are still doing the wrong-ass thing.
	And it's nice to have kind of a place to put these ideas and do something and play around with.
	Old English, which I haven't done in a long time, and carve it.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Liz was like, yeah, you know, it's, you know, last thing that we were talking about before I left, just like, I know that, you know, lettering can be so, like, tight and deliberate and, you know, it takes a lot of, like, effort to, You know, make it really, like, it's very controlled.
	And then I was like, Liz, this is loose for me.
	And she just blurt laughed in my face.
	It was awesome.
	I was like, that's the right reaction.
	We all have different approaches to creativity and doing tattoos really, like, makes you very particular.
	And so that was a lovely, like, I don't know, man.
	There's a lot of teachable moments in this world, and that was when I was like, yeah, you're absolutely correct.
	So anyway, yeah.
	But what's your good thing?
	And I'm going to pout my head down, put these things back in the damp box while you tell me.
	OK.
	My good thing, very simply, is pizza.
	Well, well, I mean, pizza, pizza.
	Don't laugh at me.
	Pizza is always great.
	With, not at.
	No.
	The truth, the profound truth was my laugh.
	Always a good thing.
	But now, specifically, I made some pizza with my daughter the other day, you know, who is just about to turn four, and that's always fun.
	I mean, you know, I did the preparing of everything, but she did the throwing the stuff on the pizzas, and that's just always terrific.
	And she doesn't like anything on her pizzas other than, like, tomato sauce and cheese.
	So she just...
	Pounded that thing with cheese and I'm like, yeah, that's my kid.
	All right.
	Good.
	Good.
	Happy days.
	So yeah, real simple, but very, very wholesome, very pleasant fun and delicious at the end of it as well.
	So I was, I was very, very pleased.
	Nice!
	That's incredibly wholesome.
	That's a dang commercial for pizza sauce.
	I don't know.
	Well, I don't want to spoil anything, but we're going to need wholesome at the top of this one.
	Anyway, first of all, before we get to this show, we have a new patron to thank.
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	And this week, we had our monthly livestream, which was so much fun!
	Thank you to everyone who joined, from Monica to Scat Cannon to Fuck Parade, we had an excellent time!
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	Yeah, and everybody that asked questions got them answered, so they're in there, and I'm glad for that, that's cool.
	And I'm sorry that our whole infotainment area isn't just about wombat poop, because I know I see people.
	I see what you're interested in.
	Yeah, we went to some interesting places and discussed some very important stuff and some very not important stuff.
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	We went for over three hours and it was a good chunk of fun.
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	So, last week I mentioned Russell was heading to Milwaukee for unknown reasons and to do some stand-up dates.
	I also remembered when I was like, it was driving me crazy all day.
	I was like, Milwaukee, Milwaukee, Milwaukee.
	Why don't I remember?
	And I did Google it.
	And I was like, right, RNC.
	I knew that it wasn't coming to me and it was driving me up the wall.
	Yeah, it was brought to my attention and then almost immediately confirmed by Russell that he is there for the Republican National Convention, and it's not just him.
	Dan Bongino is there, Steven Crowder is there, apparently the whole Rumble crew, and we can expect some collaborations of some kind from these delightful individuals.
	Very exciting.
	Oh, and so far as I can tell, Russell is also angling for an interview with Donald Trump himself, which I admire the optimism, if nothing else.
	I do.
	I mean... I can't see it happening, but you know.
	So many things have happened that I did not think would happen.
	This is true.
	This is true.
	I'm not going to write it off completely, but I do think it is optimistic.
	And last week, Russell also interviewed Bishop Barron from Minnesota, an actual Catholic bishop, which honestly was pretty dull, though Barron holds the usual anti-gay, anti-trans, and anti-reproductive rights perspectives one would expect.
	And Russell interviewed David Martin as well, one of the Plandemic people, to get on some COVID shit and talk about how shame is used to control everyone.
	Cool stuff.
	Oh, God.
	It's pretty insufferable.
	However, he did get kicked off of Zoom and they said it was a cyber attack, which I thought was hilarious.
	Scalar attacks are coming for Russell.
	Yeah, right.
	And this Monday, for anyone wondering, he did a little bit about the Trump shooting.
	Basically, his views, as I predicted, aren't anything revolutionary, but he was claiming that the legacy media have been downplaying what happened, especially when compared to Jan 6, and his evidence was that the very first initial reports from media outlets claiming loud popping sounds and that Trump had been rushed off the stage You know, the very initial cautious reports before we knew definitively that it was gunshots, before those same media outlets later reported what happened in full when they knew for certain, that whole thing is apparently evidence that, oh, they're downplaying what happened.
	No, they were just being responsible.
	Responsible.
	Fucking unreal.
	Unreal.
	It's also still fireworks season here.
	It stops when they run out.
	And some people really stock up.
	Maybe not everywhere would that be a normal like we don't need to assume.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Because it could be fireworks and Trump got bit by a bug.
	It could have been anything we literally didn't know.
	All we knew was that there were pops and that he got rushed off the stage and that was it.
	So yeah, it's Russell coming for responsible reporting yet again.
	And a very selective timeline as well, which is hilarious.
	Like, oh, we have a clip that we can milk for all it's worth entirely out of context.
	Yes, exactly that.
	And as for what we're going to be dealing with this week, well, it's an interview.
	And it's one that at the time of us recording this is not up on Rumble yet, but I suspect it will be by the time we put this out.
	So I pulled this directly from the Locals Channel, from behind the scenes, and let us not forget that Russell invited journalists to go and take a look at the Locals Channel, so here's our journalistic endeavour continuing on that score.
	Anyway, because it's straight to locals, there isn't much of a big introduction, so let's just get into the opening segment and we can see who it is.
	In a parallel life, Candice Owens, things could have been so different.
	We were walking very separate paths, very separate worlds, running into each other in Cliveden.
	Suddenly, suddenly the conversations, you eventually marry an Englishman.
	Suddenly the conversation, weird, and suddenly the conversations of right and left all converge around Christianity.
	I actually love our story, like me and you.
	I just think it's amazing because we were on such opposite sides and in a way we both abandoned parts of our side and realized that there's like a higher thing that's happening and it like all of the other stuff is just nonsense.
	Yeah.
	And you and I have a very weird like You know, just weird.
	What you mimed there was the double helix DNA, Candice.
	And I feel the same thing.
	The first time I met you, you were in the UK.
	You came to our house, our studio there.
	My favourite bit was not on camera.
	When I was, I said something like, you know, we talked about immigration, I think.
	And I was like, you know, listen, but what about compassion or something?
	And you went, oh, we're all going to be OK.
	We're all going to dance around.
	You sort of danced around my house.
	And I realised, There are some things that transcend left and right division.
	Things like spirit and the spirit of play.
	I find that hard to believe.
	I find that entirely believable that Russell's favorite memory of Candace Owens was her dancing around his house, mocking him for suggesting we should be compassionate towards migrants.
	He said everything's gonna be okay.
	As in that's her trying to be him, being like, oh, everything's gonna be fine.
	You know, just taking the piss out of Russell, see.
	Well, if it's hateful, okay.
	Exactly, right?
	I just can't picture her doing like a gleeful dance.
	Something being nice.
	Well, yeah, that's understandable.
	Either way, this whole thing does tell me quite a lot about both of these individuals, and this moment that they're talking about, this interview, was of course before Russell's turn to the alt-right, back when he was interviewing and pushing back on these kinds of people, rather than just signing on and yes-anding to everything they say.
	Anywho, Candace Owens is back, everybody!
	Yay!
	If anyone needs a more detailed look into her bio and why she's a nightmare human, head back to our 23rd episode when we dealt with Candace the first time.
	That was an experience.
	But yeah, she's an alt-right black lady who hates black people, women, and the entire LGBTQ plus community, but especially trans people.
	And yeah, when I try to imagine someone being gleefully hateful, Candace Owens is the picture that comes to mind.
	That's who we've got.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Maybe it's because I read the Glee is not Glee, but like... Right, just... Spite!
	Oh, Spite!
	Well, you know what?
	That's a tool that's accessible to all of us, unfortunately.
	Yes, indeed it is.
	Yes, indeed it is.
	Naturally, the first topic of the show proper is that of Christianity, and Candace wants to talk about her newfound Catholicism.
	And now, do you feel like this is something that's happened willingly, like with you, and obviously with me, both of us have had some kind of, I don't know how you're experiencing it, I'm not projecting, I'm telling you my thing, like a traumatic external thing like, "Whoa, I'm in a tundra now. I didn't plan for
	this. I didn't intend for this, but this is happening to me. And what am I going to
	do? What's my response?" Curiously, given our obvious differences, we've both had the same
	response.
	I know. It's been very overwhelming. That's how I would describe it. And I did not expect
	it and I felt it building, I would probably say at the beginning of last year. And now
	when I look at it, obviously God was always walking me in that direction because my husband
	had a conversion to the Catholic faith.
	He studied at Oxford.
	He studied theology.
	And so he had a conversion to the Catholic faith, and I never really quite understood what was compelling him.
	He goes to Mass every day.
	Yeah, and that made me interested in it because it was just such a huge part of his life.
	Everything we were donating to Catholic churches, I was just like, okay, what is this thing?
	I love God, but something is moving in your life in a different way.
	Um, and then things happened politically that made me sort of question Protestantism, I think, and I just started researching and I, it was just, it was overwhelming and it actually was overwhelming in the most beautiful way because it finally made, it makes sense.
	What I mean is like, God gave me a platform and I don't know why.
	I felt very undeserving of having a platform and now it makes sense.
	I'm, I'm, I was given this platform because I'm supposed to do your will.
	I'm not, I'm not giving this platform because of me.
	It's got nothing to do with me.
	And that was, It was very powerful and very comforting and I finally don't feel like I'm just sort of swimming in a universe and not really understanding what the purpose is.
	I know what the purpose is now.
	It's always been God's will.
	Great, got Candace on a mission, everybody.
	Yeah, also, do we want to flesh out that he is saying there's an external cosmic thing that happened to him when you made, like, literally, you made your own bed, right?
	You have done everything, all the steps required to get into the position that you were in.
	Who could have seen this coming?
	You did it, right?
	The consequences of my actions have come to attack me again.
	Right.
	Fucking hell.
	So for anyone who missed it with Candace, after leaving Zionist Ben Shapiro's outlet The Daily Wire due to Candace being openly pro-Palestine, which by the way she does not deserve credit for and we'll get to why in just a second, but after leaving The Daily Wire about a month later Candace announced her turn to Catholicism.
	Her husband, wealthy son-of-a-lord George Farmer, has been Catholic for some time, and Candace was already a Christian evangelist zealot, so it's not entirely unsurprising.
	Nonetheless, she does appear to be part of a cabal of alt-right pundits converting to Catholicism or Christianity more broadly in Russell's case.
	Yeah, it's DreadCath and I've gotten a lot of like background, desperately, because I've been trying to like that that's come up a couple times I'm trying to like get more concrete information for like an off off brand kind of deep dive.
	And it is a term that's virtually ungoogleable.
	It's really tough, but whatever it is that you're envisioning with Tradcath, Candace Owens is definitely part of that sphere.
	Yeah, that's what she's up to.
	Okay, right.
	Absolutely.
	Now from here, Russell asks about Candace's conversion and brings up the subject of genocide, and Candace, but of course, takes this to exactly the wrong place, demonstrating exactly why she doesn't deserve credit for being pro-Palestine.
	And so for me, there were things politically that I would say catalyzed the inevitable leaning of me into the Catholic faith, and one of the things was just, as you just mentioned, like genocide, right?
	I was severely propagandized in school, everyone was, depends on where you grew up, but we were severely propagandized into this Now I look back and it's an absurd belief that the only people that have ever experienced genocide, it was World War II, it was done by the Nazis, and it happened to the Jews.
	And what that does when you are traumatized in a classroom, and I'm saying traumatized for a reason because these are Soviet tactics, to introduce very heavy, scary concepts to a child traumatizes them.
	Um, Thomas Sowell wrote about this extensively, how the Soviets recognized this, and it leaves an indelible mark on your mind.
	And so it transforms you into a person that defends things in your life that you don't even comprehend, right?
	You have a trigger-friendly, suddenly something happens in Israel, and you're just like, Israel can do whatever they want.
	I don't care what Israel does at all.
	And actually what I'm doing is I'm responding to a trigger, a childhood trigger.
	As you might predict, she's going nowhere good with this.
	The reason Candace Owens doesn't deserve credit for her pro-Palestine stance is that it can probably be better characterized as anti-Semitic, and Palestine just happens to be there as a useful cudgel for her.
	And again, we're not a show that conflates being anti-Israel with being anti-Semitic.
	Those are not the same thing.
	But Candace very much crosses the line into blatant anti-Semitism.
	She's spoken at length about her problems with political Jews, has made assertions about a circle of Jews controlling Hollywood for nefarious reasons.
	A couple of months back, she liked a post on social media asking if Rabbi Shmuley was drunk on Christian blood again.
	And she also received praise from vicious anti-Semite and white supremacist Nick Fuentes, who praised Candace for mounting a full-fledged war against the Jews, was what he said.
	Oh no.
	Oh no.
	That's not the compliment you want.
	Just letting them fly, man.
	Yeah, right.
	And this is without even getting to what appeared in this here clip, which is some Holocaust denialism mixed in with some Holocaust minimization, which we're going to get a little more of today.
	I'm going to be generous and I'm going to say maybe she did think that the Holocaust was the only genocide in history.
	Maybe she was taught that.
	Maybe.
	I know American schools aren't great about teaching the history of America, or the British Empire for that matter, because we've both done plenty of genociding over the years.
	But her response to this apparently newfound information that genocide has also happened elsewhere is basically, fuck the Jews.
	And that doesn't seem like the correct response to me, you know?
	It seems like a series of leaps.
	Like, I don't know.
	I'm interested to see how she could come up with this.
	It is convoluted.
	I'm going to say that.
	We're going to go on an adventure through history.
	As for her comment that kids being taught about the Holocaust is Soviet-style tactics to traumatize them, because Thomas Sowell of all fucking people supposedly said it is, the only Which I'm not convinced he even said, by the way.
	The only alternative to that idea is to then not teach kids about genocide or anything bad that happened in history.
	And it seems to me like that is not the way to make sure people are educated on why stuff like that shouldn't happen again.
	That's the PragerU plan.
	That's the PragerU.
	Right!
	A very specific... The blinders are so... The blinders are made of just stacks of 2x4s.
	It's really incredible.
	Thick.
	Real thick.
	She's essentially advocating for history teaching to be even further sanitized and dumbed down, while also complaining that she wasn't taught about the other genocides in history.
	Pick a lane.
	Do we just want to say, history class, people did stuff.
	Everyone gets an A. Bye.
	I mean, it's accurate.
	It's kind of getting there.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Out of interest, what age were you taught about the Holocaust in school?
	Well, school's weird because I had my own kind of school experience.
	But I learned from PBS.
	So, like, I don't even remember.
	Like, it's just always been like PBS and the History Channel.
	Like when Dad's a History Channel dad, it's ever present.
	I can't remember when I learned.
	You learn a lot about World War II, huh?
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's like, that's kind of, the Hitler Channel kind of really was on top of it.
	Yeah, yeah, especially, yeah, yeah, especially, you know, like, two or three decades back, like, that was, that was really, it was very World War II centric, wasn't it?
	Yeah, but I guess it would have been grade school.
	Yeah, grade school.
	Like, we learned about, uh...
	We did a fake, like, we did like a little news anchor program,
	and I fully did not understand the gravity of lynching, but had to read from like a script.
	It was like weird.
	I remember this so vividly now.
	Yeah, it's like a script that was kind of like built on like anti-German sentiment that happened in her town.
	And like, I read something trying to do a good job being a news anchor that just did not match.
	And I remember Mrs. Doyle, my third grade, she was, it was several grades together.
	So she was like, Lauren, you can't just do like a Jane Paul, like you can't.
	Make it sound a little more serious.
	And I was a child and didn't understand it.
	So I guess that is, like, yeah, I remember, like, I remember it being in history books.
	I remember being at, like, so yeah, grade school.
	Interesting.
	Oh, that's, oh, that's, that's hilarious.
	That video is worth every penny I've ever made.
	I would really, I would, I would pay a lot to see that.
	Yeah.
	In this country, it's like, I think like 14, 14, 15, maybe 13, around there anyway, which I think it's a perfectly fine age to learn about this stuff.
	You know, kids are like playing Grand Theft Auto and whatever else.
	You know, I think they can learn a bit about the genocides and why they're bad in between the murdering of pixelated sex workers.
	You know, I think they can handle it.
	Yeah, well, and I don't know that we... Also, as a kid, you kind of can't process it.
	We weren't...
	We weren't watching newsreels, right?
	But History Channel was more than happy to show them to me.
	But yeah, we weren't watching newsreels in school.
	And to the point where I did not process the gravity of lynching.
	Because I couldn't really put anything together in my little child brain, right?
	Yeah, that's normal, I think.
	That's possibly a good thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	Okay, so she talks a little bit more about the Holocaust here and we start to get a little bit wild.
	There's no question that, you know, what the Germans did or the German Nazis did was horrific.
	All things that are done in wars are horrific.
	But then as I started looking back and I stumbled across that BBC documentary, which I am challenging every person to watch, The Savage Peace, and I recognized that a Holocaust was committed against the Germans during peacetime by the Allies.
	I'm sorry?
	It ripped me into a new universe.
	Shocking.
	Children lined up and shot for the crime of speaking German.
	These were not Nazis.
	They did not vote for Nazis.
	This took place in modern Czechoslovakia.
	And to hear the Czech citizens talking about what happened and how they were basically This was done, and a large part of our conditioning in America is to make it so that we never peel back that onion and recognize what we were doing.
	Twelve million Germans were ethnically cleansed.
	These were innocent Christians.
	They had nothing to do with Adolf Hitler.
	They were removed out of their homes, their belongings were taken, they were lined up, they were shot, and then speech laws were passed so that they could never talk about what they experienced.
	I have friends in Germany today.
	They're telling me that my clips are going viral and it's like a quiet conversation.
	The news won't cover it.
	And they're just so grateful because a German friend with me shared what happened to his ancestors during this time.
	And I said, how did you never share this with me?
	You know, there's a fear of talking about what actually happened because of this version of history, which is very slim.
	And if you question that narrative, which I have done and I'm doing, and because it's important for us to know the whole truth.
	And I want to talk about the way Christians were persecuted, which for some reason really deeply upsets people when you talk about Christian persecution.
	They will attack you with everything that they have.
	I am being attacked every single day, and I've never been more clear, more happy, and have never felt more strength and more certainty in terms of what I'm doing.
	Ugh, um, okay.
	Are you talking about, like, ethnic cleansing of Slavs?
	No, no, no, no.
	No, no.
	What she's talking about is real.
	Most of it, anyway.
	Sure.
	Anyway, according to her, she's being attacked constantly because she's a Christian, and it's just another victim in the long line of Christian persecution.
	And yeah, the 12 million number is accurate, but definitely not all of them were Christians.
	Anyway, so this documentary that she's talking about was 1945 The Savage Peace.
	It's not a BBC documentary, rather it wasn't so far as I can find commissioned or made by the BBC, right?
	It was shown on the BBC and it was shown on PBS as well back in 2015.
	I've watched it out of curiosity and I don't think it's that great.
	Curiously, it's not available to watch anywhere for streaming, other than in a couple of random corners of the internet.
	And I think it might have something to do with the fact that the documentary itself goes to some pretty great lengths to portray the post-war ethnic cleansing of Germans from Eastern and Central Europe as being worse than the Holocaust itself.
	And suddenly, suddenly it's very easy to understand Candace's perspective because she's just parroting what she saw on a bad documentary.
	Listen, as a documentary devourer, 1945 isn't the year I'm going for for the most accurate information I could possibly get.
	I'm just saying.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just saying.
	I would be, I'd be on the back foot, we'll say.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So that's... I think it was made pretty recently.
	But yeah, 1945 onwards, it's kind of where it starts.
	Wait, wait, wait.
	Okay, well, I'm misunderstanding.
	The title is 1945, The Savage Peace.
	Oh!
	So it was made in 2015.
	I misunderstand. The title is 1945 the savage piece.
	So it was made in 2015 it was the savage piece 1945. Yeah 1945 the savage piece.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, that's it.
	Oh, that's a very different... Okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That completely changes my perspective.
	It's not from back then, but yeah.
	In any case, it's still, they have a lens, let's put it that way, that they are trying to advance upon the audience.
	Anyway, I do want to be clear that what happened to the German people in Eastern and Central Europe after the war was fucking awful.
	Around 12 million Germans were displaced from their homes and forced to flee, and about between 500,000 and 2.5 million Germans were killed, depending on who you ask.
	The higher figure comes from the German government.
	I will say this was predominantly due to Stalin and the Soviet Union, who were at the time also doing cool things like forced labor camps for Germans.
	Yeah, they were pretty upset.
	I remember it was pretty upset.
	It was pretty bleak.
	The documentary does make the point that most of the violence was from the Russian army, but Candace likes to say allies, so she can drag the US into the equation, despite the British and- Yeah, the US about that!
	Well, the British and the US troops had a much more humanitarian approach, comparatively speaking.
	The reasons for all of this happening, according to historians, of course, comes down to the notion of collective punishment, that the German people were collectively responsible for Nazi war crimes.
	Also, that remaining German populations outside of Germany were potentially troublesome and could rise up and do it again.
	Stalin also wanted to create antagonism between Germany and its Eastern European neighbours so that they would then need Soviet protection.
	And what's presented by many authors as a key issue that motivated the expulsions is the desire to create ethnically homogenous nation-states.
	I wonder where we've heard that before?
	What a bad idea.
	It's a terrible idea.
	Yeah, it's really bad.
	It's not working out.
	It's almost like fascism and totalitarian control under any ethnicity or group of people is eventually going to come around.
	It's going to get to you eventually if it doesn't get to you right now.
	I would say universally bad.
	That seems to be the assessment.
	Removing the target from your back is maybe a temporary situation at best.
	Yup.
	I will say, despite the British treatment of the German populace being better than the Soviets, by the way, that isn't saying much.
	And Churchill was a huge advocate for the ethnic cleansing and displacement of Germans throughout Europe.
	It seems like they would need support, you know?
	Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, he was well on board which not surprising from that man
	Anyway, the ethnic cleansing and what's been called a demo side by some historians was brutal and awful and so was the
	Holocaust All of it was terrible. It doesn't need to be a contest of
	what was worse in order to discuss these things Yeah
	Yeah, also terrible.
	But the argument that Candace is making is that what happened to the Germans was worse than the Holocaust, that the German people were legislated against talking about the ethnic cleansing, and that even in Germany today it's not spoken about because of Jewish propaganda in classrooms.
	The German government disagrees, having produced a number of reports on this over the decades, with it being Quite an important issue in recent German history.
	Nonetheless, it's all Jewish propaganda according to Candace, though she never puts those two words together in the same sentence.
	That is very much the insinuation.
	And it's propaganda to obfuscate what she considers to be the bigger issue, which is persecution of Christians.
	That's where we're coming at.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it's a lot.
	And her perspective doesn't come as entirely surprising, given that Candace Owens is basically the personification of a persecution complex, constantly saying shit to rile people up and then claiming she's being attacked for her Christian or conservative beliefs rather than the awful shit she's said.
	Dog, that's weird.
	That's weird.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's all bad.
	Yeah.
	It's all bad.
	Yeah.
	You don't need to pick out a very specific, like, do this very tenuous connection through a series of points.
	Yes, yeah, it's it's and it's it's it's picking it out specifically with the aim of minimizing You know the the plight of the Jewish people.
	Yeah, that's that's the that's the plan and and and highlighting the persecution of Christians It's it's yeah, it's she's she's trying to throw a little persecution Olympics situation basically I'm not on board I mean, I'm glad that I am aware this perspective is out there.
	I mean, Holocaust Denial definitely has to work on its branding and, you know, get really sophisticated because it's kind of easy to figure out these days.
	It's a lot harder to lie.
	It's a lot harder to lie than it used to be.
	Yeah.
	Now, Russell does also have something of a persecution complex, so he is curious where Candace is going with all this.
	I'm actually very, very interested, Candace, in what you are saying when you talk about the persecution and execution of Christians.
	Are you suggesting that there is something significant and a story untold when it comes to the persecution of Christians?
	Yes, I believe Christians have been intentionally persecuted, and I believe that Christians in the West were not aware of these persecutions because of severe propagandist successful efforts that have happened in our school system.
	And the more that you, like I said, peel back the onion, and I've spent time, and I know that you know that I was baptized in London.
	I've spent time speaking to a lot of European priests, and I believe that Catholics have been holding the candle.
	When I sat down with one of them, because I wanted to ask every question, you know, and I wanted to, you know, poke the bear, play devil's advocate, say bad things about Catholics and say, well, what about this?
	You know, as I was in this period of study in London and...
	It was just incredible to have this priest, one in particular, look at me and just say, you Americans know nothing.
	I mean, you know nothing about your own history.
	You don't know about the Freemasons.
	You Christians know nothing in America.
	America has become a playground for Protestantism intentionally, because what does the Bible tell us?
	Anything that is not whole necessarily becomes polluted and becomes devilish, right?
	So the idea is to continually divide, right?
	The Christians as being divided amongst thousands of Protestant faiths, all believing my truth, my truth, my truth, which is a form of leftism.
	Actually, it's a form of Marxism.
	It's my truth.
	What is the truth?
	We need to be one, holy, apostolic church.
	That is what I believe.
	And I believe that that has always been a threat.
	I believe that all of the wars have been about breaking up Christian empires.
	And when even examining, you know, the starts, Of the Russian Revolution, the assassination of the Tsar.
	Most Americans don't know that, but they do know the part where they're like, well, there were these Jewish Brahms and, you know, Jews left Russia and they came to America.
	Okay, well, how were we able to sift through which Jews that left Russia, as they did, were the ones that were terrorists who were mass killing Christians?
	I think it's part of a relevant part.
	How did we go through that process?
	Oh, there is no process.
	I can't think of a- I'm trying- I'm desperately trying to search my mind for a conflict that wasn't explicitly intended to further Christian influence and empire in, like, in the modern era.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I'm having a hard- I mean, as, you know, as far as Western kind of, like, powers are going to try to accomplish.
	Yes, yeah.
	What?! !
	What indeed?
	And also, yeah, so Jewish terrorists who were mass-killing Christians came over from Russia to the USA during the Russian Revolution because there was no process to sort out the bad Jews from the good Jews.
	Yeah, I do also want to point out she's talking about the assassination of Tsar Alexander II in 1881, and it's a classic anti-Semitic canard that the Jews killed him or were responsible.
	This line, this same line that she's parroting, was then used by the next Tsar to brutally attack Jewish people in Russia.
	Yeah, wasn't that, like, in the protocols of, like, the elders?
	Like, wasn't that a reaction?
	Oh, man.
	It is hard to listen to... Listen, okay.
	It is hard to listen to a narrative and grasp it that is completely ahistorical.
	That's really, like, there's just nothing correct about anything that she said.
	It's hard to...
	See, learning about history is usually not all it's cracked up to be, and this is one of those situations where I'm like, I have to completely shut my brain down to even- And it's not working!
	It's not working!
	I got sent down many rabbit holes this week.
	Just being like, what the fuck is she talking about?
	And yeah, none of it's accurate.
	And obviously, Russian history is complicated enough as it is, goddammit.
	I don't need any of this stuff coming in here.
	Yeah, they were named Peter for- Centuries.
	And also, famously, Russia allows Jews to do stuff, whatever they want.
	It's like you never heard the term pogrom.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And yeah, also the thing to infer from Candace saying like, oh, we were never taught about the killing of the Tsar, you know, that never gets taught.
	We're just taught about this other bit.
	That's a suggestion that, oh, well, we're never told it was all the Jews' faults to begin with.
	I was going to say, that's like one of the things that you can remember.
	Like, that's a date you can, like a question you need to know to answer a history test.
	That's the one thing we can do is a Scantron.
	Yeah, she's not coming in with a great perspective here.
	And it also seems very ahistorical because the persecution of Christians that she's talking about happened after the formation of the Soviet Union in 1917 and the expulsion of the Russian Orthodox Church from the Russian government, which then led to the actual Christian persecution for a long time.
	But I fail to see how that's the fault of the Jews, you know, 40 years before or whatever.
	Also, 40 years before, pogroms, they were fleeing.
	Slaughtering Christians en masse.
	Oh, hey, I was going to ask you too, when did you learn it?
	You said something about 13 or 14.
	Or students now, when did you learn about it?
	I'm curious, or do you remember?
	On a personal level?
	Answering the question you asked me, that's all I'm asking.
	Yes, yeah, I'm just thinking, in school it would have been around the same age of addressing that.
	Which same age, mine or 13-14?
	13-14, around there.
	How old was your age, mine, or 13 or 14?
	13, 13, 14, around there.
	But I personally was aware of it, I must've been like, what, nine or 10 probably?
	Yeah, exactly.
	And we had a lot of VHS tapes laying around walls of the things and I had a lot of time on my own.
	So, you know, learned all sorts of things.
	But yeah, I remember being more acutely aware of that.
	And we've got like war sitcoms and that.
	We've got like Dad's Army and that kind of thing.
	So there's always kind of a Broader awareness, um, anyway.
	But, uh, but yeah.
	Well, we had Hogan's Heroes, yeah.
	I mean, every movie.
	Every movie.
	Yes, yeah, also that!
	Also that!
	And legitimately, I do too.
	Yeah, like, I remember my grandparents, you know, old World War II movies having on.
	The Great Escape!
	I must have seen that when I was like, what, five or six?
	Probably, you know?
	That's, that's... Well, if you're five or six, you don't know what you're... I mean, No, I know, you don't understand what it is you're seeing, but still.
	I got hooked.
	Yeah, the first couple were free and I got hooked.
	So, yeah, I love it.
	Also, yeah, all wars break up Christian empires.
	That's all of the wars.
	Girl, please!
	I mean...
	Makes history nice and easy.
	Well, which Christian empire was it trying to break up?
	There we go!
	What about the Iraq War, you know?
	We know their confirmation names.
	They changed their names to be more Christian.
	Like, what are we doing?
	That was, I was like, oh, oh, my brain shut off.
	Like, what are you fucking talking?
	Like, oh, you obviously are full of shit and fine with it.
	So, like, why am I listening to you?
	Not just fine with it.
	She's fucking happy.
	She's thrilled.
	She's a pig and shit on this kind of stuff.
	And also another Catholic classic here is that Protestantism is leftist and Marxist and devilish and Christians being divided is the big problem.
	Everyone needs to get behind Catholicism.
	Shocking take from a Catholic.
	Well, I was really curious.
	She was like, oh, I'm disillusioned with Protestantism.
	I'm like, girl, when?
	What?
	I would love more information.
	What political happenings turned you off of Protestantism?
	I'm really curious about that one.
	Yeah, really?
	Really?
	Like, what?
	It's just, it's nothing she says is even, like, I can't even pretend it's true.
	Or like, just tell me what it is!
	I'm so curious what your answer to that question is.
	And I know I'm not gonna get it.
	I know I'm not, it's not gonna get answered for me.
	That's wildly frustrating.
	No, no, no.
	It's very infuriating, yeah, I agree.
	Anyway, we have a little more historical revisionism to get through.
	When you read Alexander Solzhenitsyn, and just in the first couple of pages of his book
	about the gulags, he speaks about how, isn't it amazing that there were trials for the
	Nazis in the Nuremberg trials, trials, trials, trials, but the Bolsheviks got away with it.
	There were no trials.
	Many of them went to America.
	Many of them went to Israel.
	They have been protected.
	They got to live out the rest of their lives and die.
	That should make you ask a lot of questions.
	How is it possible that they ran gulags?
	They created gulag systems.
	They mass killed Christians.
	They mass drowned us in barges.
	They tortured us and there were no consequences.
	How is it possible when he says that they looked up at the end of World War II and recognized and were able to see people that were going, this is it, the heroes have won, and these people were still being persecuted and mass killed and we did nothing?
	Why?
	These are questions everybody should want to know.
	You've read in your textbook that we were the heroes, the allies won, we put an end to concentration camps, but we locked arms with Stalin?
	He was able to just go on doing what he was doing?
	In fact, you gave him land.
	You allowed him to storm into German land and mass kill more Christians and establish more concentration camps.
	Does this make any sense to you?
	Have we all been lied to?
	Have we all been deluded?
	Yes, I believe so.
	I think Americans in particular.
	We've been drugged, so that's a piece of it too.
	I think big pharma.
	Right now we're having children in school that 40% of kids in America cannot pass a basic reading exam.
	So the future will be, I will tell you what history is.
	You won't even be able to read a book.
	At least right now I can go back and I can find old history books and learn more about history and sit down with priests who I believe have been holding the candle for Christians for a very long time.
	In the future, your history will be told to you.
	These are the bad guys.
	The Christians are always the bad guys.
	Every time you learn about Christian history, we're always the bad guys.
	You learn about the Spanish Inquisition, we're lied about what actually took place then because it makes Catholics and Christians look bad.
	You know, we're told about the Dark Ages and then the Age of Enlightenment.
	The Dark Ages weren't dark.
	It was an age of remarkable Christian progress, remarkable Christian experimentation.
	And so I am just very passionate now about using my platform to awaken Christians around the world because I believe that when Christians are awakened, a lot of the evils in the world will stop.
	The dark ages weren't dark, everybody.
	The dark ages weren't dark.
	No, that's actually true.
	They were.
	History is wrong.
	They were, and that is a Western perspective because there was, that was Muslim innovation was happening.
	Yes, right, yeah.
	Which y'all will know in my emphatic rants in our early episodes of Off-Brand that I did.
	Wow, also right up top, gal, Mama, there is an us you should be worried about, and it's not Christians!
	You're a black woman in America!
	What the fuck are you doing?!
	She's making money.
	She's making money.
	There's an us I'd really love to hear you care about.
	And Catholics ain't.
	That's...
	Bananas!
	Yeah, it's pretty fucking crazy.
	Pretty crazy.
	As for, like, why the Soviets got away with murdering hundreds of thousands of Christians compared to, you know, the Nuremberg trials and all that.
	It's kind of pretty simple, really.
	See, we weren't that fussed about what Hitler was doing.
	Like, we weren't a fan, but we weren't going to do anything about it until he invaded Poland and forced the British to fight Germany because we had a defensive pact with them.
	So France and Britain, okay, we've got to fight Germany now because they did this thing.
	It had nothing to do with the moral reasons.
	It was just like, oh, well, legally we've got to do this thing.
	Had the Nazis just kept to themselves and stuck to massacring Jews in Germany alone, it's most likely no one would have done a damn fucking thing to stop them.
	And the same thing can be said of the Soviet Union.
	After becoming part of the Allies against Germany, they didn't fuck around with British territories or American territories, etc.
	And so nobody stopped them from what they were gonna do.
	It may seem baffling to imagine an era where America wouldn't just up and invade somewhere for basically any reason they can think of, but there was a time.
	We hadn't accumulated that kind of firepower yet.
	Exactly, exactly.
	And this was a time before the formation of the UN, before NATO, before there were any real kind of global mechanisms of Punishing other countries diplomatically or having these conversations other than through like trade sanctions and those just tend to fuck the poorest in most countries anyway So yeah, the Soviets were left alone because interventionism wasn't really a thing until pretty damn recently and Also, I'm sorry, but I thought these alt-right assholes were supposed to be against interventionism anyway, so
	What do you want us to do?
	I mean, that's whatever.
	That changes every day.
	You know, that was something that, what she did point out, and, okay, she pointed out it in like a backwards way that didn't make, I mean, okay.
	She cited a vague, like, she vaguely cited a real thing that happened, but it wasn't, it fully wasn't Soviet, the notion of a Soviet anything.
	Being welcomed into America is ludicrous!
	Oh, completely.
	Ludicrous!
	But, like, if you just change the name of the Operation Paperclip of it all, allowing, like, oh boy, we wanted so many Nazis, and we took them, and it really, like, there are moments when that hits home, and we watched Zone of Interest, and, like, it was the end, you know, the ending before they went to the modern day camp, it was, like, the very end of the movie, and I had this like ill like just really sick feeling in my stomach that the movie wanted me to have and it fucking worked and it's great and you should watch it it's it's it's very great it's extremely well made and it's it's a it's it's a triumph and because I'm also a
	Full-on history nerd and I have friends that like are you know like I have friends from around Huntsville Alabama and I've gone to those little museums and stuff and we we go to museums and Mike knows all this Cold War shit you know like I think that it's I've tried to make it real in a lot of ways as far as the like implications of operation we talk about it a lot in my house and I know that's weird.
	I'm just saying it.
	I'm trying to, like, give the backstory because I know my experience is not typical.
	But watching Zone of Interest, like, and I encourage you to think about this, is like, that's the kind of guy, the main dude in the film, is the, like, I had, I said it out loud, I felt sick, like, we brought those guys here.
	We brought them here.
	That's en masse.
	Yeah.
	Guess who else protected Nazis?
	The Catholic Church!
	But that was this, like, moment that really set, you know, there are these times, and we talked about this a little bit on the stream, is where, like, a fictional narrative, even very based, like, rooted in history is still, you know, you need a narrative, right, to kind of get the idea across.
	And that was one of those very profound and successful, like, Those are the guys that were subsidized by the government and given positions of...
	But given positions to continue this work and this research that was literally built on efforts in the concentration camps, and like, it's so intrinsically connected to that, the German fascist project.
	And we just, just, we and the Russians just vacuumed them up.
	Like, yeah, let's get some of that.
	That seems great.
	Yeah.
	We would not have gotten to the moon, we would not have any kind of space program if there weren't... That is on the backs of individuals in concentration camps, where they were developing the technology.
	They were using that forced labor, and they'd been using forced labor.
	Boo.
	Gross.
	That's all built on the Nazi project.
	The companies that are still around.
	We did not take that seriously at all, and you could just look at what happened.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Candace was more on about the Bolsheviks, I think.
	That's her whole thing.
	Yeah, because she was being convenient.
	I feel the need to at least address the real version of her weird fake thing.
	Because it was...
	Also, like, I mean... A historical again.
	Yeah, it feels not quite right.
	Not quite right.
	Now, from here, Russell goes on a little bit of a bramble, but I'm going to play in full because Candace in a minute says that it's important, and she's going to use it as a jumping off point.
	It feels to me that perhaps some of the things you are describing, and you're describing a lot of things Candice, are perhaps because in some ways Christianity through its various forms of institutionalization became meshed onto power, whether that's through Roman Catholicism and the establishment of the Vatican or even the conversion of Constantine, it seems that the point that power and Christianity melded together, political power I suppose
	I mean, that there was a complexity that means at least now that we
	truly are living in an individualistic, materialistic, progressive and post-late rational, post-enlightenment
	age. That Christianity is sort of in the quagmire with old discarded ideas, somehow
	replaced with some of the forms of progressivism that you in your previous incarnation focused
	on quite heavily.
	And I suppose there's an assumption that Christianity doesn't require any protection, doesn't require any special spaces.
	I've heard people say, for example, that this return to Christianity that seems to be happening culturally, this new intrigue and excitement, a kind of a new awakening, what might be what precedes a second coming or a rapture, is an attempt by the culture to reboot the last thing that works.
	True Christianity, Candice, would by its nature be anti-establishment, somehow challenging to people in positions of power and to powerful institutions.
	It seems that you've embraced this aspect of Christianity, but when you look at the modern political stage with like what's happening in my country, a new centralist, authoritarian, globalist government coming to power with an extraordinary portion of the votes.
	What's happened in France, a kind of machination and alloying of political groups in order to maintain Macron's centrist, authoritarian, globalist power.
	What is required is a kind of inversion, a new radicalism and yet the only type of radicalism that's sort of discussed is either technological radicalism and advanced citizen management or maybe Islam.
	I wonder what you think about the necessity for this new Christian awakening to become politicized or at least to become a challenge to existing political power?
	Was he just saying that he wants Christian radicalism?
	Well, people are only talking about the technological, what about Christian radicalism?
	Because that's what I heard.
	And either way, he wants the Christian alt-right to become a challenge to political power.
	He wants them to mobilize politically, as though there isn't already plenty of Christianity, particularly in American politics.
	But bear in mind, this is the man who believes we should all live in a Christian theocracy, so something of a concern there.
	See, he's still learning.
	He's still getting his his Christian victimhood feet under him.
	We're in this process because also at the beginning, yeah, on on on the most basic If an alien showed up to Earth tomorrow, one of the first things they learned is that Christians do wars for themselves.
	Like, it would be absurd for him to not at least push back on that a little bit.
	And I was curious whether he would or not.
	And he couldn't, he's like, no, I'll sound too stupid if I agree with the thing that you said that is, like, the most obviously ahistorical of inciting conflict.
	Like, well, you know, some things happen and then let's, okay, all right, I'm getting your lie.
	Let's put this lie together and I bet I can hang some of my real beliefs.
	And what have I said that people actually remember versus what I've said that "No, I can get away with, ooh, okay, yeah."
	And they're like, he's angling to agree, and she shouldn't agree with this.
	She shouldn't agree with what he said.
	Like the end part, maybe, but most of it, like the top half,
	she should at least be pushing back on, right?
	Well, well, let's hear her perspective.
	Oh boy.
	What you're saying is, you've said a lot, and it's very important,
	and I hope people listen to what you've just said twice, and I want to slow it down because it's really important.
	What they've actually done and what I'm talking about is I fully believe that the West has been infiltrated by Marxists.
	That is what is happening.
	And Marxists are necessarily satanic and they necessarily hate God and what it means to hate God is to love Satan is to love the devil.
	So what you do is you invert everything that the Bible teaches you invert.
	So you want to create your own some antichrist, something that's antithetical to the Bible,
	right, and you want to repurpose it and sell it to people as the truth.
	And you're seeing that all around, right?
	So they don't want you to believe that you have a creator.
	They want you to believe that science can create, right?
	You can turn to science, you can turn to technology, we are your creators, we are your fixers.
	If you want to die, you can now turn to science.
	If you want to live, you can now turn to science.
	You can come to us and we'll get you pregnant.
	And to see people that put, and I talked about this on my show, and then of course they made
	in front of me and called me a flat earther They take clips out of context and make it seem crazy.
	The commitment to science has become a faith.
	Oh good, yes.
	We've never heard this one before, have we?
	Yeah, also the flat earther, like people coming in flat earther, like she didn't say people said all these other things.
	So I've got the full quote from just a couple of weeks ago on Candace's show, right?
	And we go on a journey.
	Quote, can you guys imagine being married to me My, my poor husband, he rolls over, he's like, what are you reading?
	And I feel like a regular wife says something like, I don't know, maybe a love series, Nora Roberts sweeping her away.
	Me, on the other hand, he rolled over, he asked me, and I said, oh, I'm reading A Flat Earth Theory.
	And it dawned into an entire conversation.
	He's like, why are you reading a flat earth theory?
	And I'm like, because somebody messaged me on Monect about it, and they included some links and I'm just reading them.
	I don't know, I'm just an interested person no matter what.
	If there's a bunch of people that believe something, I now want to know what it is they believe.
	And of course he pushed me on this, and he was talking about the earth curvature and science, and I said to him, listen.
	I'm not a flat earther.
	I'm not a round earther.
	Actually, what I am is I am somebody who has left the cult of science.
	I have left the megachurch of science because what I have now realized is that science, what it is actually, if you think about it, is a pagan faith.
	Unquote.
	I have left the oppression of reality!
	Join me!
	Reality is too hard.
	I don't like it.
	I'm gonna live over here.
	Without flat Earths or round Earths.
	I'm going to have quadrangular abs.
	Is he going to avoid anyway?
	Okay.
	Dilbert shaped.
	Wow.
	Yep.
	Wow.
	And I would love to say this is surprising, but for someone who believes the Dark Ages was a pretty cool time in Europe, this completely tracks.
	I'm like, yeah.
	We always knew there was this round.
	We always knew.
	Greeks knew.
	They always knew.
	Well, okay, so wait, so then people were coming for her saying she's a flat earther.
	A flat earther, yeah.
	That's also not accurate, because she's just lying.
	Yes, exactly.
	And she, like I said, persecution, conflict, she loves to bait these people.
	She just wants to be constantly attacked.
	That's all she ever fucking wants.
	That's embarrassing for all parties.
	Yeah, it's pretty gross.
	Take the bait, obviously.
	Yeah, exactly, exactly.
	Just leave it alone.
	Eminem came for Candace Owens in his new album a couple of times, and I'm like, okay, I appreciate that, but also, the worst thing you can do is give her oxygen, you know?
	Yeah, but you know, Kendrick Lamar has really changed my attitude.
	I feel, you know, I'm kind of here for it.
	If we're going to really pull someone apart, like, tied to several horses, we're going medieval.
	He's got a pretty good diddy burn on there as well, which is enjoyable.
	Yeah, this is the turn.
	Yeah.
	Let's party.
	Let's go for this.
	Because if it's as mean as Kendrick can make it, there's no coming back.
	Yeah, it's true.
	That's true.
	As for the West being invaded by satanic Marxists, it's tricky to know with Candace whether she means actual Marxists or cultural Marxists, a la Jordan Peterson, because she does like to invoke and bastardize Russian history, but my bet is more towards the cultural Marxism side.
	She has to differentiate.
	No, no.
	I don't think she would know, even if I were to ask her, to be honest.
	Anyway, the Marxists have done science, which is now God.
	And if you want to die, you can turn to science.
	And really, I think there are quicker and easier ways to achieve that, just saying.
	And if you want to live, you can turn to science.
	So I guess medicine is bad.
	And if you come to us, we can get you pregnant.
	Is she taking a weird stance against IVF or something?
	Are you familiar with the absolute, like, yes, IVF has been under attack.
	Legally.
	Ha!
	Okay, so she is just hopping- Do you not know about any of that?
	I'm aware that there have- So she is hopping on with that, you think?
	That's getting on board with IVF being a problem as well.
	I've only been seeing the appropriate alarmed response in the news for the most part as far as like coming like because the laws are coming for IVF.
	Yeah.
	You know, lumped in with the anti-abortion Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I am so curious as to what their specific arguments are that aren't the old kind of like 90s Catholic thing.
	And if they're just relying on, I haven't heard that, like, I just know that from knowing about the, you know,
	battle over abortion.
	I haven't heard that same argument being made in present day.
	I haven't heard a lot of arguments at all.
	They're like, IVF is just kind of like, by happenstance lumped in.
	and I think a very bad move.
	I mean we have experiences like our you know like our own friends that are like uh our embryos are in Texas we're in Illinois uh just because with the doctor like just that's how they found health care that they could access and that worked and And so I got to have a very sad conversation over some Mexican food a couple weeks ago with a friend that's getting caught up in this.
	And that was one thing I didn't have an answer for, was what the argument, the modern argument, other than just they're trotting out the old stuff.
	Yeah, that's what it feels like.
	And I think it's correct that they shouldn't really bring attention to it in their language, because it's like, that's by far, you are, you are coming for a massive chunk of your base.
	Like, this is, it might be the thing, like that coming for IVF could easily be the thing that tanks the whole project.
	Because if you have to also include IVF, well, you just activated a lot of people that otherwise would not be concerned.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like, it seems so counterintuitive to the general Catholic principle of as many babies as possible for all time, you know?
	I'm like, I just, I don't know.
	On the surface, I would think, yeah, surely they're okay with that.
	It means more babies.
	But, but no, no.
	I mean, that's, but that's also, that's not, no, that's...
	It is a network of contradictions, so it's not like there's a lot there.
	But yeah, also, guess what?
	We've been saying the whole time they're going to start coming for contraception, they're going to start coming for it.
	Yep, absolutely.
	So at least everyone that gave a shit about this subject absolutely knew it was coming and tried to warn all you motherfuckers this whole time.
	So, here we are.
	Here we are.
	Project 2025 incoming everybody.
	It's also lucrative.
	Good stuff.
	Oh yeah.
	That is lucrative practice for doctors.
	Yeah.
	What a bad move.
	Terrible.
	Terrible.
	Anyway, we all know where she's going to go with this science is a faith thing, so let's have it.
	People, you saw this during COVID.
	I mean, they have their sacraments.
	They recreated everything.
	It was this great experience.
	In my view, COVID was this experiment that the science class, the satanic class,
	was running to see whether or not they had successfully made themselves gods, right?
	They were telling people things that made no sense.
	Made no sense.
	Some things should have come online and said to you, your intuition, like, why would this make any sense?
	And people were just doing it.
	If they had said, hop on one foot and you'll stay alive, people would have done this, right?
	Atheism is the ultimate faith.
	It really is, actually.
	What people were doing to stay alive, believing that the government could keep them alive.
	What is that?
	That's an inversion of faith.
	And so, yes, that is what is happening right now, and this is why they have such an obsessive hatred for Christians.
	And a piece of this is that they very much control the mainstream media.
	This is part and parcel, by the way, to the propagandists that killed the czar in 1880
	Russia.
	They were running propaganda.
	They understood that they could control minds, that they could be the first to publish, and
	much of that is going on right now.
	And so it's first important that people recognize that, that this is actually a completely inverted
	faith.
	It's a satanic faith, but it is a faith, and they have all been slowly indoctrinated into
	that faith.
	This is fucking nuts.
	And I do just want to say that, because this is fucking nuts.
	Also, now she's claiming that the Marxist Satanists control the media, but again invoked it as being the same as the Jews assassinating Tsar Alexander II, so there's that nice anti-Semitic thing in there.
	So she's either saying that the Jews control the media, or that somehow that has shifted from the Jews controlling it to being Satanic Marxists, or maybe they're the same thing.
	It's unclear.
	Either way.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, maybe the answer is just yes.
	That is very possible.
	In any case, the science class were testing whether they'd become gods, and that's why the COVID-19 pandemic happened, everybody.
	Because atheism is the ultimate faith, supposedly.
	And it is funny to me how you only ever hear this perspective from the religious zealots, because they literally cannot envision a human being existing without religious beliefs.
	Like, they just can't understand it.
	So it must be a faith of some kind, even the absence of a faith is faith.
	Well, when you get indoctrinated and if you really drink the Kool-Aid, I know it was slavery, don't come for me, as it were.
	You know what I mean?
	I'm using the phrase, not the reality.
	But I am talking about brain...
	Brainwashing is not a thing, but we understand the term to be.
	The cognitive dissonance that you kind of need to maintain to have a zealous Christian faith, or a zealous faith of any stripe, right?
	A zealous religious faith.
	Yeah, you do kind of have to just accept things on face value that make no sense.
	So you're training your brain, like you are conditioning your brain to believe Things that are contradictory, things that are, and like taking, and things that kind of are impossible or don't make sense, and then just like, oh, faith is the answer.
	And so they don't, like, that's kind of how they've trained their brains to operate, to accept these things kind of at face value because it behooves them to continue in their faith.
	And so you're programming your brain to think that way.
	Actively, and it's being programmed to think that way.
	And so then you're gonna have that, like, it makes total sense that you think everybody else is the way that your brain is.
	Right.
	That makes, like, that's kind of, it doesn't make it less infuriating to hear, understanding where it's coming from, you know?
	I also do find it slightly problematic that faith could somehow be the answer to a virus causing a global pandemic, you know?
	I feel like maybe medicine might be the thing that's required, you know?
	But according to Candace... I am also a lot more used to hearing religious kind of answers to medical problems than you are in America.
	And even like, she did kind of touch on that the IVF kind of, you know, the old Old Catholic talking point argument that, like, you can't play God.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So, like, you're playing God if you want IVF treatment.
	And so that's kind of... I guess that's where she's going?
	I don't... Yeah, that bothers me because there are some extreme Christians who will take that so far as any medicine whatsoever.
	Penicillin!
	Yeah, exactly.
	They will let their children die of appendicitis rather than take them to hospital.
	You know, this has happened.
	Too many times to count!
	Yeah, it's Eve's curse that women should suffer and die very often in childbirth.
	No!
	No!
	We don't, we shouldn't be going down that road.
	No, no, doesn't feel great.
	Bad road.
	Doesn't feel great.
	Bad road. I don't think Candace Owen has kids yet, right?
	So I don't, I don't believe so.
	She's just married because I feel like she would definitely use them as a prop for her bullshit.
	So here's hoping you're still fertile if you want to make babies.
	Yeah, there is that.
	Or you go, I don't know, fly to Thailand?
	I don't know.
	Tijuana IVF?
	This is nuts.
	Yep, yep.
	Boya, boya, boya, boya, boya, boya, boya.
	It's amazing how much of her career she has spent dedicated to actively limiting her own prospects, or those of people like her, you know?
	Yeah, mentioning, concerned about the wrong wee, dog.
	Concerned about the wrong ass wee.
	Well, thankfully, she now gets to what she thinks the solution should be.
	And the only solution to that is for you to find true faith.
	You have a creator.
	It is not a scientist.
	You are not supposed to be poisoning yourself with hormones, you know, convinced.
	I brought up on my show the Aztecs, like you think about the Aztecs and the fact that they committed child sacrifice for rain, literally line up children and kill them and sacrifice them because that was how they were going to get rain.
	They believed that.
	And you go, oh, my God, how barbaric.
	We right now have People in America that are Hollywood actresses that stay on stage and they cry.
	Michelle Fields did this, Michelle Williams, pardon, did this and she thanked God that she was able to get an abortion because otherwise she wouldn't have won this statue.
	What is the difference?
	We are mass killing children right now, right?
	Abortion, all of it has become such a fate.
	Women are in the streets marching for a right to kill children, nine months in the womb.
	This is not like in the UK where you don't have the conversation as radical as it is in America.
	They want to be able to abort babies nine months in the womb.
	That is demonic.
	That is satanic.
	And it is a complete and utter inversion of what we learn in the Bible, right?
	That's demonic, everybody.
	Trump got to say that on TV.
	And no one motherfucking pushed back on it.
	This is the direct result of shit like that happening.
	Straight up.
	This is what we're gonna hear.
	That was Alex Jones, cuckoo bananas.
	I don't even know that Tucker Carlson, when he was trying to be taken seriously, definitely on Fox News, would say that exact thing.
	He maybe would say late term.
	He wouldn't say a number.
	Yes.
	Yeah, no, he wouldn't.
	Nine month.
	I mean, come on.
	Yeah, I'll say it again as well, Christian God killed a whole bunch of kids in the Bible, so I don't see how that's an improvement on the Aztecs.
	You're a sport of it.
	Yes!
	Industrial level!
	Yeah, and the only reason late-stage abortions have ever been okay are severe medical reasons.
	You know, and these are not decisions like taken lightly and they're often necessary in cases where the parents actually want the child, but to have it would either be an immense risk to the health of the child or the mother.
	It's not satanic.
	It's fucking tragic.
	It's absolutely nightmarish.
	And it's a thing that they are trying to, it's exclusively, I'm sorry, you don't get to choose an abortion at eight or nine months or whatever.
	That's not an abortion, that's a medical procedure that is, oh my God.
	It's harrowing.
	Yes, it's the worst thing that can happen to parents.
	It's so, Sentencing women to not be able to access that particular type of healthcare is absolutely- Yeah, it's barbaric.
	It's fucking barbaric.
	It is hideous!
	And Trump was motherfucking allowed to say it on TV!
	Yeah, and it's literally killing women.
	That's literally what that's doing.
	Absolutely!
	It is also making them infertile.
	You know what I mean?
	As far as Catholics saying that you should be fruitful and multiply shit.
	Yeah, that's one of those contradictions.
	One of, I don't know, several hundred contradictions that are being weaponized in a way that is in such bad faith.
	They can't even keep their, their like, their talking points straight.
	That is, oh my god, that's, and that's made me mad.
	Listen, that's vintage made me mad.
	Vintage is what, 25 years old?
	Yeah, I've been mad about this that long?
	Yeah, that's, that's vintage making me mad on that like late-term abortion shit.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, and we've got Candace Owens fucking going for the people who have to go through that.
	And I'm like, fuck you.
	Just fuck you.
	There's no other way of putting that.
	She obviously just doesn't think of it that way.
	That's the only way that you can throw these words around.
	Is there's obviously some, you know, like blue hair, purple penguin, unicorn girl who like shits in a litter box as she identifies as a cat.
	And she's like, I carry this baby almost a term.
	We, let's kill it.
	Woo!
	You know, like party horn emoji, party horn emoji.
	Fucking what?
	Like that's, that's, that's the fantasy that they need to hold in their mind to say this kind of thing.
	Yeah, yeah, it's, you know, dehumanize or pretend that essentially that this person doesn't exist.
	You know, that it's an imaginary opponent rather than someone real that you're actually being a prick to.
	Of course!
	It has to, like, oh my god, it's nuts!
	As for Michelle Williams, that's not exactly what she said.
	What Candace said she said is not what she said.
	Here's what she said upon accepting a Golden Globe in 2020 while pregnant, by the way.
	Quote, As women and as girls, things can happen to our bodies that are not our choice.
	I have tried my best to live a life of my own making and not just a series of events that happened to me.
	And I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose.
	To choose when to have my children and with whom.
	I know my choices might look different, but thank God, or whomever you pray to, that we live in a country founded on the principle that I am free to live by my faith and you are free to live by yours.
	Women 18 to 118, when it is time to vote, please do so in your own self-interest.
	It's what men have been doing for years."
	Dang.
	Mic drop.
	Yeah.
	Boom.
	Pretty great.
	Boom goes the dynamite.
	Yeah.
	So she didn't thank God that she was able to get an abortion, in so many words.
	She was thanking God that she was able to choose one and how she had a child while in support of abortion.
	And I couldn't find anything about Michelle Williams specifically having had one, but nor does it fucking matter, to be completely honest.
	That's wild.
	Yeah.
	Though she did say it in front of her good friend Busy Phillips, who had recently testified in Congress about having to get an abortion at 15 years old.
	She's doing amazing.
	She's out there.
	It's great.
	Pretty big deal.
	Out there in a good way.
	Candice being out there in a really bad way.
	That's just... And that was the same Golden Globe where Ricky Gervais was like, oh don't bring politics into it.
	Shut the fuck up, Ricky Gervais.
	That's not the last time I'm going to say that.
	Also not a black lady.
	Sorry, not a black lady.
	Yes, it is worse.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	It's worse.
	Yes.
	Yes, it is.
	Anyway, all of this chat leads us to an interesting personal point from Russell.
	Now what it seems when you talk about Marxism and say that we've got this insidious new form of our Marxism that's infiltrated political systems across the world, what you appear mostly to be interested in is the anointing of the state as the apex of power and how this literally godless ideology permits odd Put oddly pagan ideas like child sacrifice to resurface in new formats.
	I imagine if Michelle Williams were to have the opportunity to talk about what she meant when she won that statue, she might talk about individual rights, individual freedom, bodily autonomy.
	But I think the reason that abortion remains such a hotly contested and complex subject for all of us is everyone that has Being involved in abortion knows that something that you're doing is transgressive.
	Now, during when we found out that my little boy had a condition called Tetralogy of Fallot, it was in utero at a 26 week scan.
	And it was in a sort of a very difficult time in my life more broadly.
	And he ultimately was born during all of the intensity of the Allegations in the media for raw that like, you know, I alluded to at the beginning of our conversation.
	Obviously, my wife and I were offered late term termination.
	We were told like this condition is likely that there will be these accompanying conditions, etc.
	And my wife in particular, I have to say, was certain about having our son.
	So they were off at 26 weeks termination.
	Russell's wife is Catholic, so the decision there is not entirely surprising.
	And Tetralogy of Fallow is no joke.
	It basically amounts to at least four separate heart conditions happening at the same time.
	Russell's son will, according to medicine right now, likely not live past the age of 40 because of this, and will have a lifetime of problems and complications to deal with.
	It's not an easy decision for any parent to make as to whether to keep the child, and honestly, I support parents in either direction on this score.
	Not everyone is in the privileged position of Russell and his family and having, you know, both time and resources at their disposal.
	However, this little story does prove that I was correct all that time ago in questioning whether Russell's son underwent surgery when all the allegations came out, like he asserted in his interview with Tucker Carlson.
	Um, so in fact his son was born around that time, somewhere around September 17th, and had his open heart surgery at 12 weeks old, so around December, January sort of time, by which point the legacy media weren't really talking about Russell at all anymore, which is a whole other fucking problem.
	Um, but that all does unfortunately mean that Russell was lying and weaponizing his son's heart surgery to garner sympathy with Tucker's audience.
	Which is nothing short of abhorrent, and I'm fucking mad that I was right about it, to be honest.
	Um, that sucks.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, right.
	I mean, yep.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, thank god for that religion of science.
	Yeah!
	child you still chose to bring into this world will need to survive for the rest of their
	life and time on this earth.
	Yeah. And you know, the religion of science.
	I mean, open-heart surgery on a three-month-old baby.
	Like, that's insane!
	You know?
	That's incredible.
	And if you know a compromised person who will definitely need to be vaccinated to function in this world.
	Yep.
	That's interesting, isn't it?
	Oh, I think you made an enemy.
	I think they literally made an enemy.
	It's the anti-Russell that's been born.
	Yeah.
	So that that was that was an interesting little sidetrack that I wasn't expecting out of this.
	If you're an extremist usually only one kid ends up buying it and they'll inherit everything if you're lucky.
	This is the thing is this is a sinking fucking ship that it's just crazy that like I can't.
	I just, could I grab Russell's shoulders and shake and be like, you can't clean this up!
	There is no way that you can like, you can't fold this into the brand that got you where you are.
	No.
	You are, you can't take this, and I know it's on whole, but like, and rightfully so, it's like, you can't sell Candace Owens to the Community Festival.
	Maybe some of them, but the Namaste Pastel QAnon that you've been cashing in on for years, there is no way to cash in on this and to clean it up.
	You cannot put this lady next to Wim Hof.
	That's just not a combo that's gonna work.
	I don't even, I mean, Wim Hof is an absolute lunatic.
	There's a lot of misguided, normal, cute, wooey people that were paying his bills and keeping him famous.
	You can't even wear your cute little shirts anymore.
	You gotta cut your hair.
	You are not going to pull this off.
	You can't square this circle.
	Like you're just not gonna, this is a bridge too far.
	Yeah.
	And maybe, and I mean, I'm sure that he's getting a response from like the local, like from his chat and the local channel and his like, his Rumble fans.
	That is not giving, that you're not gonna get the same Russell Brand career that got you book deals and got you audible podcasts.
	You're throwing, you can't, it's not gonna convert.
	No, no, and he's, I mean, yeah, I wonder how much of that he's conscious of, that he's just like, well, I'm gonna have to just cut this entire part of my existence off now and I'm off to the RNC, you know?
	Well, I think that's what he's scrambling for.
	That's what we see him like, well, let's shave some of the hard edges and let's knock some corners off of this insane, incendiary, stochastic terrorism.
	Let's squish it up a little.
	Let's wrap it in some foam.
	And you can't!
	Yeah, I mean- I see him struggle with it every week, it's like, well, ah, I'll be a powerful, oh, I will, it's a very unique perspective.
	He did just point out that, well, he signed on to the notion that abortion is a modern day iteration of child sacrifice and is a bad thing and is transgressive, right?
	You know, those are the- But even saying transgressive?
	Yeah, yeah.
	He's been a champion of transgressive behavior and actions.
	That's his brand.
	That's what works for him.
	So he's trying to slot these things in, and transgressive is too vague.
	That's not what Candace Owens is saying.
	No, she's saying demonic.
	And if you want, like, the, like, the othering of indigenous cultures, oh, easy breezy beautiful.
	What a crunchy, like, hippie folks do.
	Listen, picking and choosing from ancient cultures is a thing.
	Like, that's, that's, that's old hat.
	That's, he's got that in the bag.
	And it was a long time ago, so no one's gonna hold his feet to the fire on that one.
	Like, that's...
	That's kind of like a fun narrative to play around with for people like this.
	And it's very effective because they were brown.
	But there are these very concrete sticking points that he is not going to be able to repackage.
	It's just not possible.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But I think he's trying, and we're watching this pit bull puppy trying to get their bearing on this linoleum floor.
	It's just scramble, scramble, scramble, scramble, scramble, scramble, like that's what we're watching.
	Yeah, it's cognitive dissonance at work trying to get these two things to somehow fit when they very much don't fucking fit.
	They're just not gonna.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	Anyway, now we get to Candace's feelings on people who have had abortions.
	My son, of course, you know, he's really well and he's beautiful and he's fantastic.
	He had heart surgery when he was 12 weeks old and he's a really, really beautiful boy.
	But I feel like with your point on abortion, isn't it an indicator that, you know, isn't it an indicator that we are some distance away from having a deep faith and a deep vision?
	And is it therefore, would you agree, difficult to condemn Or judge individuals who are all, in a sense, occupants of a culture that has a sort of a nihilism as its central thrust.
	I don't judge those people at all, and I'm glad you brought up the word anguish, because that's right.
	A lot of the times when you're seeing these women, they look anguished to me, and I used to be pro-choice, so I don't pass judgment at all.
	I came out of the same public school system with the same talking points, the same rhetoric, the same false belief in science, which taught me when I was in school that it was a clump of cells.
	Imagine my shock when I saw my son on the screen at five weeks, and I could see him dancing because of the power of ultrasounds today.
	You let me say that whole ass thing and you listen to this show.
	Yeah, sorry, sorry.
	Boo.
	Also, she's a fucking liar.
	There's no way she saw her son dancing around at five weeks because of the power of ultrasounds today.
	What she could see was a round blob moving around because that's exactly what it looks like.
	I would encourage anyone, just Google picture of a five-week ultrasound and see what it looks like.
	It's a round blob.
	I heard five weeks.
	She said, she corrected herself and said five weeks.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like, it's just around blob.
	And it's moving around.
	Yeah, it's moving around like inside your body like because your body is also moving
	'cause that's where it is.
	Yeah, so does plankton, come on.
	It's a round blob and nothing more.
	And I'm sure ultrasound technicians will back me up on that score if pressed.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	Soda plastic bags move in the wind.
	Like, come on.
	Come on.
	What?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	But yeah.
	Yeah.
	She does.
	I can't remember if it's one or two.
	She does have kids.
	Yeah.
	So yeah.
	And yeah.
	Just just great.
	But yeah.
	The deeper insinuation, of course, that Candace is trying to make here is that all women are tricked by the propaganda in school systems into believing that abortions are an okay and viable option to consider in their reproductive rights.
	Accordingly, it's not their fault if they believe the propaganda.
	And again, yeah, this entirely tracks from the Dark Ages was great level of understanding of science.
	Yeah.
	Guess what I never fucking heard in a school in my life?
	Abortion is good.
	Yeah, right?
	Never motherfucking ever.
	What fucking school did you go to?
	Wasn't in fucking America, that's for goddamn sure.
	Sorry.
	I mean, the lies are coming thick and fast, right?
	It almost feels absurd to pick them out, but that's what we're here to do.
	Yeah, but absolutely.
	Oh no!
	That's not what's happening.
	That's definitely not what's happening today.
	Absolutely fucking not.
	Absolutely.
	And even over here, where there's much less of a stigma around it, it's still not something that's covered.
	We had sex education and all that.
	I don't recover that ever being brought up as like, here's a good option for everyone.
	No.
	And it should be!
	Yeah, it should!
	Yeah, we should be mad about this!
	It's a fucking abomination that we don't give the phone number out to Birthright to girls in a fucking problem.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	So yeah, this whole thing is completely absurd.
	But Candace elaborates a little bit further on this.
	So I don't judge people at all.
	In fact, it's the exact opposite.
	I actually condemn conservatives.
	This is why I say thinking about things in the context of conservatism, republicanism, to me is a nonsense because you're speaking to these people as if they knew.
	Calling people child murderers who have had an abortion is not going to bring people over to your side, right?
	But having an open conversation and saying, I thought the exact same thing as you, and here's the thing that makes them defend it the hardest.
	Because they believe that they're not allowed to change.
	They believe that once you have done something wrong, you can't do something right.
	And the media insists on this.
	Like, but you did this in the past, so you can never be pro-life.
	Yes, you can.
	I want women to know that.
	If you got an abortion because you believe that this was something you had to do because you were propagandized in the school just like me.
	I have friends that got abortions.
	They weren't like, I want to go kill a kid today.
	Right?
	They actually believed, they were told from the time that they were children, that if they had this child, it was going to ruin their entire life and ruin their entire prospects.
	I get that.
	And you are not a monster because of this.
	And one of the most beautiful things about the Christian faith is the grace when you come to the Lord.
	Right?
	That is actually one of the power of the sacraments of confession.
	So as long as you repent, as long as you come over to our side, it's fine.
	It doesn't matter what you've done in the past.
	That is the power of confession.
	Candace Owens and the Lord both sign off on you being a massive fucking hypocrite.
	How about that?
	That's so condescending!
	It's great.
	It's great!
	There we go.
	Immediately!
	There we go!
	It's great. I also yeah, I also postulated that if she did have a child she would use it as a prop for her political
	end There we go immediately
	That's true, yeah, that's this This whole confession bit, very relevant to Russell here, but the part that Candace is leaving out is that either women have been tricked by propaganda and can be forgiven for their sins if they come over to Christianity,
	Or, they're Marxist Satanists who are sacrificing children.
	There is no in-between.
	And it's easy to claim that you're not a hateful piece of shit when anyone who disagrees with you is apparently either propagandized and hasn't woken up to it yet, or they're a Satanist.
	Yeah, they're evil.
	Yeah, and that's what she's saying.
	The reason she's not coming out against every woman who's had an abortion, she just said it, is because that's not how you get people over to your side.
	She said necessarily evil earlier, and necessarily satanic, which is kind of a weird way to use the word necessarily, but I think maybe she's like, quantifiably, essentially, fundamentally, fundamentally evil and satanic.
	Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
	Whenever Willy's on me.
	Yeah, I'm not convinced Russell is, but anyway.
	Next, on this subject, she makes a comparison that she probably shouldn't.
	That is the power of being baptized.
	You can come anew, and that is why Christianity is such a beautiful faith.
	It is a hopeful faith.
	You can change who you are.
	Your background, my background, I mean, the things that we've done in the past, and look at the grace of God that we're able to have this platform and have people listening to us.
	That's what I want people to hear.
	I don't want that message to be, you're a child murderer, I'm a conservative, and you're not.
	That's wrong.
	That's not a Christian message.
	And so yes, I believe that we have been walked into everything that is antithetical to the Bible by people who actually believe in child sacrifice, people that are Satanists.
	And a lot of people are just asleep at the wheel following them.
	It's the same reason that people do drugs.
	It's the same reason that people watch pornography.
	And I look back and the Catholic faith always was strong on this stuff, right?
	Against pornography, against birth control.
	And when I look at where society is today, I just go, man, the Catholics had it right the entire time.
	Oh yeah, the Catholics had it right the whole time in history, like all the sexual abuse of children refusing to denounce Nazism, or the Crusades, or forcing unwed mothers to give away their babies, or exterminating Jewish communities for suspected host desecration.
	That Catholic Church, they just get things right, don't they?
	Nail in it.
	Absolutely perfect.
	The fact that she's saying, I don't judge, right?
	She's saying you have to be clean.
	Do you have to be a new like, oh, if you beat yourself up to the point where You are inconsolable without sort of an intangible faith telling you you're not a bad person, actually, after all, which, like, you're not if you have an abortion.
	I'm not a bad person.
	I'm actually a much better person for having my abortion.
	It was tight.
	It was cool.
	That's usually the case.
	Yeah, a little uncomfortable.
	Best decision I can say I ever made in my whole life.
	But, like, she said, I'm not going to judge you if You agree that you've been overtaken by grief because of this constant rhetoric of just demonizing people, demonizing women for making the correct decision for themselves, or the medically, very often, medically necessary decision for yourself, or for your existing children.
	I just, this is so...
	I mean, but you know what?
	She's telling you exactly why this faith appeals to people like her and people like Russell, and there's a lot of them, is no matter what you do, no matter who you are, the choices that you make within your integrity, your character, the fabric of who you are as a person, if you just say, I'm so sorry.
	My mom always said that I got caught, and I don't want to do that anymore.
	I want to feel good about myself, and I want to go fucking Like, I want to go dunk myself in a gross river with Bear Grylls and my homie, and magically my sins are washed away.
	Yeah, washed away.
	It's what, man, it's the cure for everything that ails you.
	Isn't it just?
	And also, Candace, you don't want to be comparing the wrongs you've done in your past to Russell's wrongs, because at least, I would hope, they're of quite a different scale.
	That's not something you want to be saying.
	But hey.
	Oh, throw them all in the same fire.
	Sorry.
	No.
	Yeah.
	You're all monsters.
	You're different kinds.
	And I will say, prolific creative kinds of monsters these are.
	Not everybody is.
	Not everybody is.
	It's true.
	They're really hitting it.
	They're forging new territory.
	Prolific.
	Prolific.
	It sounds like it's really hard to convince a black woman to participate in this.
	And yet here we are.
	Creative.
	Unique.
	Now we get to the subject of French politics.
	So I wonder what you think of the two recent election results in the UK and France, and do you consider these apparent national electoral victories to be, in a sense, victories for globalism?
	I do always consider these to be victories for globalism.
	I was particularly interested in the French elections.
	You know, I've been following and covering the Emmanuel Brigitte Macron story.
	It's utterly deranged and very bizarre that you have a person... I mean, the press can't deny it.
	Emmanuel Macron, no matter which way you slice it, was statutorily raped by Brigitte.
	Okay, there's no question about that, but that's why the French press won't touch it, the American press won't touch it.
	They just kind of leave that alone.
	It's like, that's totally normal.
	Because of when they got together?
	When they got together?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So Brigitte Macron was 34, I think, at the time, and her student was 14.
	Maybe she was 40, actually.
	But it was an incredible statutory rape situation, and they just keep on going and go, doesn't matter.
	Eventually they got married.
	No, there's something very not right with that.
	Women at the age of 40 are not attracted to 14-year-old little boys.
	Again, you're talking to a guy who at age 30 was grooming and sexually abusing a 16 year old girl
	So maybe preaching to the wrong audience there Candace however on the on the statutory rape situation
	I will agree that Macron was 15 when he was seduced by his drama teacher Brigitte who was 40
	It's wicked gross Fucked up and weird
	I remember a lot of coverage being extremely upset about it.
	Yes, and yeah, there's plenty of it out there.
	Lots of the legacy media were like, ha, that doesn't seem okay.
	And then a decade later, Macron came back and married her.
	Yeah, fucked up and weird.
	Like, they seem happy and all that these days, but the whole thing does not feel good.
	You know, it's, yeah.
	Yeah, no, and I don't think you will find many places being like, this seems great.
	That's not the broader perspective on this.
	Yeah, to a person, I haven't seen that, as a matter of fact.
	No, no.
	Wow, that's bad.
	That's weird, huh?
	Yeah, that's not great.
	Yeah, and if we're going to worry about statutory rape and the resulting complications in your life, boy, abortion is literally integral to that.
	Feels really important.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Repairing that damage.
	Necessary, some might say.
	We'll come back to Brigitte Macron in a little bit, but we go back to some election talk first.
	And so, look, I was especially paying attention to this election because you saw this rise of people saying, like, this is wrong, this system is wrong, and then suddenly, like, just at the end, they were like, ha-ha, played a trick, and just kidding, like, this is the way it's going to be.
	And my commentary has been that it's become very apparent that democracy is an illusion, and I think that it's been an illusion for a very long time, plausibly forever, again, to keep people dumb and deluded and Oh, well, at least we're not Russia.
	At least we're not this.
	We're nothing like that.
	Tell me what it is about Russia that you think we're not.
	And I will point you to the time in history that we did something ten times worse.
	I mean, I think Putin notoriously said when someone, it might have been Biden, called him a killer, and he said, it takes a killer to know a killer, right?
	Yeah, that's kind of the point.
	Like, we're constantly being propagandized to go, but this evil could never happen here.
	Oh, propaganda, that only happened at that one time in Germany.
	It's not happening here.
	And people are awake now and recognizing, what are we even talking about?
	Every single thing that we complain about or every person that we think is evil, we've got someone in our own government that we can point to who has done something 10 times worse.
	So Russia invading Ukraine or whatever is fine, because the US government also sucks.
	Dope!
	I love a whataboutist argument taken straight from the lips of Vladimir Putin.
	Well, you also suck, so that means I can do whatever I want!
	Um, yeah, no, no.
	Prosecute them all.
	Both bad!
	Prosecute them all.
	All of them should be in The Hague.
	There we go.
	What's different is gay people are just being thrown in jail for being gay.
	They started that in Russia a couple months ago.
	Terrific.
	Don't know if y'all heard about that.
	So that is different for now.
	Yeah.
	Still different.
	There's a reason I have a number of queer Russian friends who no longer live there, right?
	Yeah, duh.
	And the French election was all a facade and democracy actually taking place and the left turning up and opposing the alt-right.
	That can't have happened.
	It must be a big conspiracy by the globalists to keep the system going.
	Well, what's crazy is, like, there's so much to complain about when it comes to, like, oligarchy or plutocracy, you know, like a corporate control of politics.
	Absolutely.
	Let's party.
	I have so many of this, of, like, arguments that start the same as individual sentences she said out of context.
	Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
	That we desperately need to reconcile and we need to wrestle with.
	Yeah.
	But she's just using it to distract.
	Well, yeah, I mean, she's basically being like, well, the alt-right didn't win, so it must be a conspiracy.
	We thought they would and they didn't, so it's all a lie.
	You know, that's essentially the narrative that we're getting.
	It was a campaign, and it's politics.
	People didn't like it.
	Yeah, they organized to get a result that reflected the popular opinion.
	Yeah, it was different to the one she wanted, and therefore it's a conspiracy by the globalists.
	Okay, there are no graceful losers on the right, there really are not.
	Anyway, next.
	Honestly, there's no other way to say this, Lauren, but Candace encroaches on your territory.
	And that is a remarkably scary recognition.
	I think that process can be scary for a lot of people.
	And I know that I've been forcing people to read this book.
	You absolutely must read it.
	I'll send you a copy, Chaos, which is about MKUltra, the government program, and everything they were up to in the 60s when JFK got shot.
	And there's something about reading it that is so... You missed the, I'm going to play it from the start again, because you missed saying the title.
	And that is a remarkably scary recognition.
	Like, what's the scary reckoning?
	I'm not following her scary reckoning.
	Just the process of... Oh, like collusion?
	Like a globalist collusion?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	They don't say real things.
	It's hard to follow.
	No, no, exactly, exactly.
	Alright, alright, alright.
	And that is a remarkably scary recognition.
	I think that process can be scary for a lot of people.
	And I know that I've been forcing people to read this book.
	You absolutely must read it.
	I'll send you a copy.
	Chaos, which is about MKUltra, the government program and everything they were up to in the 60s when JFK got shot.
	And it's there's something about reading it that is so you come to terms with the fact that the elements of your government are, in fact, demonic.
	And they always have been demonic, and there always has been a war on the spirit of man.
	And when I say the spirit of man, I'm talking about the Holy Spirit.
	There has been a war against Christ, which obviously is what I believe it is.
	But the answer to that, because I know people go through this and then they feel depressed about recognizing these institutions.
	The answer to that, by the way, is faith, right?
	It's understanding that you are saved, that Jesus Christ is a person that came here and your belief in him will save you.
	And I'm telling you, that is, you have to have that understanding
	to get through the dark recognition of realizing that this world is being controlled by Satan.
	And I don't use that word lightly.
	It's literally being controlled by people who know the Bible, understand the Bible,
	and are trying to recreate it and invert it onto its head.
	And that's scary, but it's real.
	She didn't read that book.
	She didn't read that book.
	I was gonna ask, like, you've read Chaos if I remember correctly.
	Mike, breathe.
	Take a beat.
	Text me.
	Was your takeaway that there's been a war against Christ via Satanists in the CIA?
	Was that the point of Chaos?
	Okay, first of all.
	Get Tom O'Neill's name out your motherfucking mouth!
	Knock that shit off!
	And if you mail it to people like Russell, what you're sending them is a paperweight.
	And it's not a particularly effective one because it isn't waterproof, okay?
	Not good to have on your desk all the time.
	People are not gonna fucking read it if you send it to them.
	For the most part, definitely not.
	Motherfucking Russell.
	Like, the book, The vast majority of the book has nothing.
	He actively fights making the point that it is anyway connected with it.
	Like, it's a joke at the end of the book that has anything to do with JFK assassination.
	He's like, I'm so sorry.
	I didn't want this.
	I don't want to admit it.
	I don't want to address it.
	But it is, in fact, what I was looking at is a little bit involved in JFK.
	I don't want, I didn't want that, but that's what I found.
	Most of the book, the impetus for writing and understanding and researching the book is entirely about the Manson murders and about Charles Manson.
	And like, it's not even in the same part of the fucking country.
	Like, it's California.
	That's not what the book, even like, she's gonna make shit up at the end, right?
	But even when she was specifically trying to talk about the book and making people read it, Good luck.
	Are these the conversations you're having with people that actually read this book?
	You need to find freaks like no one.
	We try all the time.
	It doesn't work.
	And it's mostly cruel to assign homework to other adults.
	It's so, like, what she should be talking about.
	Is the CIA... There's this book, Helter Skelter, that was written by a journalist at the time.
	It was a massive bestseller, and the whole idea was what kind of started this process of this research and investigative project of the book Chaos is CIA 60s Charles Manson.
	Helter Skelter.
	That's what if you want to talk about even just make a reference
	to what the book is about JFK ain't it and it's mentioned but that is not what she
	didn't read the book also possible this is the problem
	If Candice ever has a conversation with you about the book, I think it's going- you're gonna struggle.
	She's gonna struggle.
	There'll be so many struggles before that.
	She's forcing- she's like, oh, I'm reading and everybody else should too.
	Um, it's just, way of a, oh, I, it's, she didn't, like, she didn't talk about anything that was in that book.
	Yeah, I did think that.
	I did think that.
	Because she knows she's trying to get people to read it and they won't because it's a big fat book and we live very busy lives.
	I'm not going to judge anybody.
	I didn't read it, I listened to it.
	She can say whatever she wants because no one else in her circle is reading it either, so she's just allowed to make it up because it's a big book!
	It's like the Bible's the biggest book and will confirm anything you want to say.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's too big so she gets to make it up!
	They barely read that one.
	Yeah, if anyone wants to get into Lauren's thoughts on the CIA at length, we had a four hour little look at the CIA.
	Two part.
	Two parts.
	Yep.
	Four hours sounds like no one will ever look into it or listen to it.
	It's super interesting, both parts.
	And yeah, that was a little while ago.
	So head to patreon.com slash onbrand and have a look.
	A really interesting discussion about the CA.
	There's several offbrands that I've spearheaded that are coming.
	Like five, I think, counting.
	Like, if we count both parts that are coming up in this particular episode.
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	It's like she's coming for you specifically.
	This might be my, like, nemesis moment.
	I mean, yeah, that's believable.
	Out of all the guests, I could see it.
	Next, a really great joke.
	I wanted to ask you about the Christ is King stuff, though, because that's another one of those moments that is taken to potentially be anti-Semitic, deliberately provocative.
	People are nuts.
	You did a lot with your eyes there and your eyebrows.
	That was very efficient.
	So can you tell me, and do you sometimes delight in that?
	Do you like saying things that are provocative?
	And if not, why do you keep saying things like, Macron's wife's got a willy, Obama's wife's got... Why do you keep saying everyone's wife's got penises?
	I never said Obama's wife had a penis.
	That came from you.
	Hey, I never said that!
	You did!
	I heard you!
	We know they're recording on their end because they slated it!
	So good!
	So good.
	Really, really so good, Candace.
	All these women have penises.
	It's just hilarious.
	So, you know, we've been hearing the right call Michelle Obama a man for years now, and Brigitte Macron has been facing similar attacks in recent years that are, what, misogynistic, transphobic, and just all-round shitty all in one.
	And these guys think it's hilarious.
	It's racist.
	It's racist for Michelle Obama also.
	Yeah, also that, yeah, for Michelle Obama too.
	Yeah, yes.
	Particularly hideous racism.
	Incredibly fucked up, yep.
	Wrong wee, Candace.
	Yep, wrong wee.
	Also, the Christ is King thing that Russell mentioned at the top, I forgot to Write a thing out, but essentially when she left the Daily Wire, she put out a tweet saying Christ is King.
	So, you know, which is supposed to be, you know, anti-Semitic undertones there against Ben Shapiro, which is just delightful.
	Pointed.
	Yes!
	In context, pointed.
	In context pointed, but she's there obviously saying, oh, people are crazy.
	I was just saying that Christ is great.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Sure thing, Candace.
	Sure.
	There's never any subtext.
	Um, anyway, I would love to say, or context.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Pre-text!
	Text only.
	Text only, that's where we're at.
	Yeah, I would love to say that the whole women with penises joke ends there, but here's Candace's full take on Brigitte Macron.
	But to your second point, what were you asking me about Brigitte Macron?
	Yes, yes, all of them.
	Yeah, I'm going to actually force you, because it was incredible.
	I went on Piers Morgan, and you actually covered this bit, and he's sitting here telling me she's not a man, but didn't actually read the piece of the journalist who is not being sued, who created, for three years, looked into this.
	It's a six-part series.
	It's the most compelling thing.
	It would be such an easy thing to debunk.
	It's bonkers.
	Brigitte, you're saying you're not your brother, that they're saying that you were,
	and that you changed your gender at the age of 30.
	Just go on a walk with your brother.
	He disappeared.
	Your husband that you allege that you had never existed.
	I mean, the story is so crazy that all anyone has to do is read it,
	and then you'll realize that they just keep not debunking this in the easiest manner ever.
	I just want one picture of you in your first 30 years of living.
	That's pretty easy.
	I think that's an easy ask for any person.
	can't do it uh... so there's something very sinister happening there i
	I actually hold the belief, and this now is just my intuition, that a lot of the world leaders have been selected, and that there is a blackmail ring that has been running the world, and that they put these people in positions of power because they know their secrets, and they know their dirty laundry, and they can manipulate them.
	And I think that Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel Macron are an example of that.
	So how fast did you Google and find a picture of her before she was 30?
	How fast?
	I struggled to find any that weren't with Emmanuel Macron, is the problem I have.
	That's the problem I had.
	She just said, before 30.
	Yeah, that don't exist.
	And I'm quite sure they do.
	There is a six-part TV series about Brigitte Macron.
	Coming out soon, so I'm sure we'll have plenty of access to those that will happily debunk Candace.
	But here's the part that always falls apart for me with this, right?
	Like, sure, Brigitte Macron is actually her brother who disappeared, and she never actually was married prior to meeting Emmanuel Macron.
	Sure, say I go along with this bullshit.
	How does it get explained that she has three children who are biologically hers, all of which, by the way, are with that previous husband who didn't exist?
	Yeah, there's... There's no good answer!
	There's no good answer!
	Because, obviously... What a profound waste of time and brainpower.
	It's so stupid!
	What a fucking... We're looking at just a pack of fucking waste of goddamn space.
	Yes!
	A waste of carbon.
	What are you doing?
	How luxurious is your life to spend time making this shit the fuck up?
	Pretty much.
	It's so insulting.
	And all of this is to, you know, throw shit at left-leaning female politicians and the trans community all in one hit, and it's something Candace Owens is all about.
	It does, of course, change the perspective on her saying earlier that 40-year-old women aren't attracted to 14-year-old little boys or whatever, because now we know what she was actually trying to infer there was, oh, but 40-year-old men could, because Brigitte Macron used to be a man!
	And Candace doesn't believe trans women are women, of course, even if that were the But the weird insinuation alongside it that women don't do the child molesting thing all so much, which is unfortunately verifiably false.
	Yeah, the whole thing.
	I don't even, you know, I don't really want to give her credit for connecting those two thoughts together.
	Because it's all so, like it's all so batshit.
	Yeah.
	Like what do we, I mean, Yeah.
	Connecting anything she's saying to reality is like not what she's interested in.
	That's true.
	She just gets to say whatever she wants.
	That is true.
	And I just, yeah.
	Under even the smallest amount of scrutiny, none of it adds up at all.
	Because of course it doesn't.
	Because of course it doesn't.
	But she's spent hours at this point arguing that Brigitte Macron is in fact a dude.
	Um, that is in fact her brother, um, that never, you know, that disappeared.
	So we're going to go back to the Gina Carano episode.
	I'm going to like, first of all, cite that if you want to hear how angry this makes me in a specific way, but like, but genuinely like this trope has been around definitely like since the internet and pixels and digital photos, like really kind of took, this is like a very dangerous, Um, like the trans panic accusations of everyone's not the gender that they are presenting as.
	Yes.
	And I mean everyone.
	Oh, I mean everyone.
	Um, there is far too much, uh, weird connections to cults and cult behaviors and like internet cults as well as just like, Like, being able to organize around an idea that no one is- like, that's what- that's one of the underlying, like, motors that is- the engines that is driving libs of TikTok.
	This is- it's so fucking dangerous.
	This one specifically, I think, originates with QAnon.
	I think this is where this one comes from.
	So- Which one?
	The Brigitte Macron.
	Well, somebody had to bring it in there.
	There's a lot of stuff that is now getting folded into QAnon that was before, or just Trump and Alex Jones saying that Joe Obama's a man.
	Absolutely.
	It's been going on the whole time.
	And it's nothing new, but it became kind of part of internet cult culture.
	The Sherri Schreiner cult.
	She could talk for hours and hypnotize people into her cult.
	On this subject, there is so much meat on the bone for lunatics in this particular subject.
	It does stand out as something different to me because you can just play on all those fears together, like trans panic and misogyny and racism, bigotry in general.
	You can really pack it all in.
	And if you say it to anyone in the real world, you sound Nuts.
	So they are also, it's a really effective tool to alienate your followers from the rest of the world.
	Yeah.
	Because it's so out there.
	Yeah.
	That like, it is something that most regular folks do, just are like, uh, no.
	And you sound mean.
	Like it's, it sounds.
	Yeah.
	Wicked.
	You sound like a dick.
	Yeah.
	It's really out there.
	They're like, I don't think I'm going to listen to you anymore at all.
	And that further isolates these people that then pushes them further into these rabbit holes, to use the parlance of QAnon.
	It's one of the most effective, I feel, Well, they're dog whistles now, but also explicit regular whistles saying the same things that will alienate people in a very specific way that behooves manipulators.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm completely with you.
	It's definitely one of those isolating narratives, isn't it?
	You're like, you don't hear the MSM talking about this?
	That's not what's happening.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's just fucking terrible all around, let's be real.
	It's also way more pervasive than we understand.
	That's also why I'm taking some time to actually explain it and talk about it because, like, y'all don't want- I don't want to know It's one of those things that like, I'm like, I'm not, I have a hard time even kind of engaging with that kind of content.
	It's some of the content that like, it's too rich for my blood, like, because it's so cruel.
	Yeah, well, the Steven Crowders of the universe, you know, that just fucking love being just openly hateful pieces of shit, um, you know.
	Yeah, I mean, but, like, there's, there are these kind of, like, people you have never heard of, never will hear of, and I don't know where their funding is coming from, but they're getting it from people who they're, like, they are taking down into a deep, dark place with them, like, it's way more common on, like, A much larger chunk of the internet is having these discussions than you think.
	So I think it can sound especially absurd to us, regular folks that exist in reality.
	But Candace is pulling from a really hideous place in the internet.
	A very dark corner, yeah.
	We need to confront the reality that it absolutely exists and it has real life, lives of TikTok, it has real life consequences for people every single day.
	Absolutely.
	Just because you're not trans, just because you're not a woman, just because you're not a trans woman, does not mean, and just because you're not a black woman, does not mean that you are not going to be affected by this rhetoric.
	And I think it's something that's really hard to face.
	Yeah.
	But it's fucking true.
	Yeah.
	Because it's like really ugly.
	It's ugly.
	Yes yeah yeah yeah absolutely and and even you know even thinking further down the line you know you need to be engaged with this now because you know once once they're through killing all the trans people who's next you know because there is a next um you know of course of course and but this is also a lot of the rhetoric that is you know like that's fucking up your school board that's fucking up your libraries yep This is at the root, and it's far more pervasive than you realize.
	Yeah.
	Or you do realize it and you're super sad, like me.
	Like there's... It was like, oh, why this again?
	Goddammit, I don't know.
	Yes, it's absurd.
	It doesn't mean that it's not true and it's not there.
	There's some really tough stuff to face, I feel.
	So just not facing the fact that that's popping around with your co-workers or your family or your Uber driver.
	It's real.
	It's really tough because something like this sounds, because it's so fucking absurd, it sounds almost innocuous.
	Like, well, that's crazy.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Who would believe that?
	Well, well, well.
	I think there was a time that maybe we could have made that argument.
	And that time is over.
	It's a long time ago now.
	It feels a long while ago.
	Well, next we get a conspiracy about Joe Biden.
	The news narratives change so fast.
	In the post-debate, Trump-Biden debate, it seems to me that you can see the outline of separate camps within the Democrat establishment.
	One, kind of, we're keeping Joe Biden no matter what.
	One, we're abandoning this dude now.
	I wonder if you feel that the debate was... Do you feel that that was an accident?
	Or do you feel that they must have known, like everybody else, that this guy was not going to be out of hand on a 90-minute On screen performance and what do you make of the emergent camps like one camp now that are open that it seems to be open season and open ridicule on CNN and on establishment media and it wasn't just two months ago and yet and yet in other media assets presumably strongly establishment affiliated ones Morning Joe, MSNBC there still seems to be an attempt to advocate for Joe Biden.
	What do you think is the ulterior movement there?
	Okay.
	So I didn't see MSNBC covering for him.
	Actually, I saw that they had a doctor on and they were saying he had Parkinson's yesterday.
	So I think MSNBC has thrown him under the bus as well.
	And so for me, for them all to be in lockstep, suddenly talking about the things that we knew were apparent all the way back in 2020, when we were saying that obviously he is on the decline, obviously he's got some dementia issues, and now they all suddenly agree.
	That is obviously, in my view, a design.
	Like, there has been a button pressed, and by the button, I mean the CIA.
	It's very obvious the CIA controls America.
	The presidents are puppets.
	That's why they freaked out when Trump became president, because that was like an accident.
	Okay, so the CIA control America and decided to press the button and replace Joe Biden, which is why any of this happened in the first place.
	And, of course, the CIA are also Satanists who are on a war against Christ.
	I mean, boy howdy.
	If I lived in Candace's worldview, like, my brain would just be constantly hurting.
	I cannot imagine it.
	I really cannot.
	It's crazy.
	She does seem quite serene in her existence, which kind of baffles me.
	All of the leftists in my media sphere, my media diet, were all like, Joe Biden is too old.
	This is not a good idea.
	Joe Biden shouldn't I felt like this is elder abuse.
	This isn't okay.
	This is going to go poorly.
	Because that's how cognition with elderly people works.
	Combined with the stress of a presidential term?
	Which we see age, like we're watching that movie, thinner, but it really happens to people.
	It's legit.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like, there's a world of difference between 2020 Joe Biden and 2024 Joe Biden.
	That has become blatantly obvious.
	So don't stand there telling me, oh, we saw all this in 2020.
	No, you didn't.
	That's part of the problem.
	That's why we're all like, hey, there's severe cognitive decline happening here.
	We should be concerned.
	But it's, it's, it's, it's one of those things that's like, you didn't predict shit.
	That's just the way aging works.
	And you also gave voice to it for whatever you're gonna, for whatever reason.
	And oh yeah, we're gonna guess that the Democrats are gonna act like the deluded losers they are.
	Yeah.
	Also that.
	We know!
	We knew!
	But they are in enough power.
	Because corporations, they can be as deluded and they can lose as much as they want.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
	But no, it's all going to be, it's all a big conspiracy.
	The CIA done it.
	This is like the one thing that I'm like, I don't think the CIA is anywhere near this shit.
	No, no.
	I don't, I genuinely, and listen, I'm, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a CIA maybe, most of the time.
	Like this particular thing, no.
	Nah.
	Nah.
	This is just institutional- Because I've met old people.
	Like, what?
	Corruption and everything else.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Unreal.
	Unreal.
	Okay.
	And next, Russell asks a question about how to bring the alt-right together.
	In the last year, in a way that we hadn't seen before, there are divisions emerging in the anti-establishment space and your story is perhaps the most obvious example of that.
	There was this sort of, let's call it conservative or right-wing movement forming that had a sort of advocacy expression through Turning Point and had a media presence, most notably through Daily Wire, I think we'd have to say.
	What does this the kind of these recent ramifications suggest and is it possible and is it desirable for us to create new forms of alliance in media as new and independent media increasingly becomes About political advocacy and indeed isn't that why it's being surveilled, censored, shut down, prominent voices being subject to smearing?
	I mean that's what we're kind of obviously experiencing, the legitimisation of censorship through new categories like disinformation etc.
	Is there, what do you think the obligation is for us to try to find ways to work together and how possible is that?
	It's very possible, and we just do it.
	I mean, we obviously know who the media fears, the people that they attack the hardest.
	They absolutely detest you because you're not a controlled actor, as you once were, and you're talking about real issues.
	They absolutely detest Tucker Carlson.
	I mean, that's got to be public enemy number one, you know, Freed Tucker.
	And me.
	I get it.
	I totally get it.
	I love it.
	We are so prepared for this.
	You know, it's a wonderful thing to be persecuted because you're telling the truth.
	It is a wonderful thing.
	It's weird how wonderful I feel being persecuted every day by the media.
	It doesn't make any sense other than to know that that's what it means to come to Christ.
	And I think that we all do work together.
	I mean, that is why I'm like, you want to book me on your show?
	I'll do your show once a week.
	I'll do your show 10 times a week, you know?
	And we have to do that.
	We have to network.
	We have to promote each other.
	We have to She's just saying that.
	because their whole thing is cancel culture.
	She's just saying that.
	Well, we're gonna cancel her now.
	She's talking about topics that we don't care about.
	We're gonna cancel Russell Bram.
	We're gonna cancel Tucker.
	How dare he go out and talk about Putin?
	And the public is aware.
	There's a reason why we are so successful.
	There's a reason why our podcasts are so successful.
	People are still watching our show because they know they're being lied to by the
	establishment and they know that the voices that are willing
	to keep talking about these topics are the ones that they can trust.
	And so I think in the future, I think next year, I don't know, I just think a lot of us
	I think it's going to be like me, you, Tucker, some other independent voices, and we're just going to... We will be the new media, and we'll be independent from one another, but somehow together.
	That is my vision for the future.
	Somehow.
	Still in a rigid hierarchy of access to funding, but we're all going to be together.
	Okay.
	Sounds fucking miserable.
	She's also saying that...
	That might be the biggest lie I've fucking heard this whole episode is, we're so prepared for this.
	No, you're not.
	No.
	But that's a daily affirmation.
	Instead of live, laugh, love, that's the decal that she put in her kitchen.
	We're so prepared for this.
	We've got this.
	We've got it.
	I promise you don't.
	I watched what already happened.
	I really don't think that's true.
	I don't think.
	No.
	As we're finding out post-assassination, Shitty, piss-poor assassination attempt.
	Try harder.
	Try harder, youth of today.
	If you're gonna do something, don't half-ass it.
	Whole-ass it.
	Have respect for yourself.
	Do it right, or not at all.
	That's what she's saying.
	Um, yeah, that's, but like, you know what I mean?
	That's what she's saying is like, she's, this is, that was her wishlist.
	That's the wishlist that she just laid out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Absolutely.
	You know, I personally hope they all keep fighting and eating each other because that's much more entertaining.
	But yeah, it does raise an interesting point, though.
	Like, at what point do we consider these guys the media?
	Because, like, a lot of them have considerably more viewers than the legacy media do.
	Like, Rogan, for instance, constantly parrots alt-right shit, and he's got millions and millions of listeners and viewers.
	So, like, at what point can we just say, nah, these people are the fucking media, just without any of the responsibility or vetting, you know?
	But that's what I'm saying.
	Like, that's the thing that I don't think they're prepared for is that eventually you're going to piss off the wrong people to the degree that- You're going to get regulated.
	Yeah, if you keep barking loud enough, someone's going to hear it and you're going to get regulation.
	Those chickens will also come home to roost in some form, or You're going to deify and prattle and just fantasize enough about your own persecution complex to where somebody's gonna take a piece of your fucking ear off in public because that's the kind of rhetoric.
	This is what you're gonna get.
	What did I say on the fucking stream?
	They didn't say, hang Nancy Pelosi.
	They were coming for her, but that's not what they were chanting on January 6th.
	They were chanting, hang Mike Pence.
	People are not coming for you in the direction that you expect.
	That's the one thing that I know to be true.
	In this insane, bloodthirsty culture I have had to live in.
	Yeah, and people are like, white American men love to murder black women.
	That's just a fact.
	That is a statistical fact.
	So maybe be concerned, Candace.
	A bit more concerned than you are.
	Maybe a little bit.
	Truly, no amount of culture war is going to save you from culture war.
	Yeah.
	Genuinely.
	I'm honestly shocked that it's not happening more.
	I think that did kind of pop off with the Daily Wire debacle.
	I think there was a lot of room for that.
	So, okay, so you have to be extreme, like, you have to be both extremely careful and crowing the loudest and the longest and the most at the same time.
	How is, like, the persecution, like, the thing is, is Your persecution complex to an individual, if you get enough power, is going to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
	And these people just don't reckon with that reality.
	Even Trump putting his little fist up, assuming that there aren't bullets coming back.
	Assuming that the emergency has passed and that he's safe again.
	That was the hubris of an imbecile.
	That's... That's pretty nuts.
	I don't think that... It looked weird at first.
	We're like, oh, he knew?
	I think that's what a child would do.
	Yeah, that was his genuine gut reaction, which was dumb.
	It was real dumb.
	And wildly unsafe.
	And they're not necessarily... I saw some coverage today.
	They're not necessarily taking good precautions.
	Why it was allowed to happen And how it's allowed to happen, that's a question we need to examine.
	There was a piece on BBC Verify about it, interestingly.
	You know, take a look.
	The videos people took with their phones of the guy.
	Yes!
	Of the guy before the thing!
	Yes!
	How was this allowed to happen?
	That is a question that should be asked.
	And these people are making, that's the thing, is these people are making the assumption that they're safe no matter what and then, oh well I'm doing what, I'm like, I'm riling up the right people Baby, that never works.
	No, you're in a country full of full of weapons, just surrounded by them constantly, you know?
	Oh, yes.
	Or guess what's fucking coming back?
	Covid surges that are some of the worst we've ever seen in America and H5N1.
	It's poppin' off in Colorado, so all your little anti-vax rhetoric that you've been playin' around in, that's gonna fuckin', you're gonna get a Herman Cain award if you're not careful, and this is, it's gonna be worse!
	Every time this keeps happening, it's gonna be worse, and you're not doing a thing to keep yourself safe, and you just think that you're immune!
	It's absurd!
	It's such a stupid, long, there is no long-term thinking here.
	Except maybe Steve Bannon.
	Terrifying.
	Yes, yes.
	He's the only one.
	And he's still harrowing.
	He's going soon.
	He's in bad shape before he went into prison.
	Antichrist type individual.
	I don't know.
	I think he's one of these people that's going to live to like 150.
	He's just going to look like Palpatine up there, you know?
	That's what he's going to be doing.
	They just don't entertain the notion that mortality applies to them.
	And that's crazy.
	It's crazy, but it works.
	Faith makes your bad thoughts go away, but it doesn't also disintegrate reality outside of your brain.
	Nah, if you do it with enough gusto, it works.
	If you just believe it hard enough and out loud.
	I'm invincible!
	Yes, exactly.
	Now, we've got a couple more clips and the show is going to be brought to close, of course, with a prayer before Candace asks a couple of questions that we've been asking for some time now.
	Yeah.
	Hey, should we wrap up with a prayer then?
	Will you start?
	Let's do it.
	No, you have to pray.
	Heavenly Father, thank you for this time together with Candice.
	Please pray for Candice's ongoing success, for her ongoing journey walking with you.
	I pray for happiness for her and her husband and for our children.
	We ask, Lord, that we be able to put aside egotism, narcissism, hedonism, all of the temptations and obstacles placed before us by a culture that would prefer us dumb and distracted.
	Lord, move me closer to you.
	Lord, empty me of all that does not serve you and guide me, Heavenly Father.
	And thank you for this time with Candice.
	In Jesus' name, we pray.
	In the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit.
	What denomination are you?
	I don't have one yet.
	I'm denomination minister.
	I'm praying the rosary every day.
	I'm taking communion.
	I'm very interested in the catechism.
	I got baptised in the River Thames with Bear Grylls.
	What religion is that Candice?
	I don't know.
	Nor do I. I mean I'm very interested in Catholic but I've not been confirmed.
	And if I was in a Catholic church I wouldn't be able to take communion in there.
	I've been chatting to Robert Barron, I've been chatting a lot to Geoff Cave in.
	My mate Jonathan Rumi, who plays Our Lord and Saviour in The Chosen, is a convert himself.
	I know you went straight for the Catholicism there, but when I was sort of like... Also, can I tell you something?
	Because of the type of person I am, I still toy with the idea that I will at some point be ordained.
	And given that I'm married and have children, I cannot ever be Pope, Candice!
	This is magic!
	I don't know if poke is in your cards, but there are some priests you should meet.
	I mean, you should go to the Brompton Oratory.
	Oh, yeah?
	You should go to the Brompton Oratory, yeah.
	There's some priests you should meet.
	Okay.
	They were so significant in my transformation, and I'm going back to London.
	I want to spend real time there because I was so sad to leave.
	We were there for a month, but I'm going back in December for an entire month again.
	I'm just going to spend a lot of time there, so I really want to just be with the priests.
	That's that's a choice.
	Okay.
	Of course it's Catholic.
	Of course it's a version of charismatic Catholicism.
	Yeah, so Russell is interdenominational for now, apparently, but what I would like to know is that there was a priest on that riverbank when Russell was baptised.
	What denomination was the priest?
	Because I feel like that kind of counts for something, you know?
	And obviously Candace wants him to become a Catholic, and seemed just as infuriated as us there, which was validating.
	Yeah, but are you a Catholic?
	I don't know what kind of religion that is, Russell.
	You sound fucking stupid.
	I don't care.
	But she does.
	And so that's an interesting wrinkle.
	She seemed mad.
	So wait, there was a priest also?
	I didn't read it.
	Yeah, there was a priest on the riverbank as well.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And yeah, I think I mentioned that when we were talking about poor Joe getting his foot cut open in the Thames.
	But yeah, there was a priest on that riverbank as well.
	And I'm like, well, What church was the priest from?
	That's just all I'd like to know, because I feel like that may bear some kind of relevance.
	I also feel like Bear Grylls is the kind of inseminate, you know, like he's whatever Bear Grylls is would be what Anglican, right?
	Yeah.
	So you're right.
	You're right.
	You're right.
	Yeah.
	No, it's it's charismatic Anglicanism.
	Yes, it was.
	I was wrong.
	It's not Alpha Chorus is not You're right, it isn't.
	There's so many of these things.
	Yeah, it's difficult.
	It's not Catholicism.
	It's charismatic Anglicanism.
	You're right, you're right, you're right.
	And what Candace Owens doesn't know, because Americans don't know this, how close Anglicanism, because it's old, looks like Catholicism.
	We can't tell it apart unless we really squint.
	So she doesn't understand.
	She's like, oh, so you're Catholic.
	Like, no.
	All kinds of denominations do Catholic-y sturf, like they pick what they liked in the moment, you just don't know about it because you're American.
	Well, and that's a very Russell thing to do in general, is to just pixie choosy the bits he likes, you know?
	Religion really works out for his personality, you're absolutely correct.
	Now, we have one final clip that, honestly, the whole thing feels strange.
	I feel like this shouldn't have been filmed and that we shouldn't have been privy to it.
	And I hope they edit it out of the Rumble version.
	But I've seen it, so now you have to.
	So here we go.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, well, let's see each other then.
	Candice, I don't have your number anymore.
	Can we sort that out?
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	Have your... Who's in touch?
	Is it our producers, Sav?
	Yeah, there's some priests you should meet down at the Brompton Oratory, they're amazing.
	I just love the priests, they're so cool.
	I never thought I would say that in my life.
	I just love the priests, they're so cool.
	My life has gone from wanting to meet celebrities in Hollywood to genuinely, I think the priests are Just the coolest people in the entire world.
	They've just been holding the candle, you know?
	Instead of turning up at Galliano shows with Kanye, you're going to be wandering around the Vatican with... With Kanye.
	...Bishop Emanuel Mari, although he's Orthodox.
	Yeah, I'm not yet confirmed because I'm still in study.
	I'm going to do my confirmation in Italy.
	They're still racist.
	I just am taking this very seriously and I just don't want to make any mistakes and I realize I have this platform and it's very easy to make a mistake and I just want to do what's right.
	But the studying period in London, I mean, I would just jump at the opportunity to live there for a year.
	I guess I can.
	I am married to an Englishman.
	That's right.
	You are allowed.
	We can't keep you out.
	If we could, we would.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's so beautiful to see you.
	Let's connect on the phone and we'll carry on talking.
	Thanks Candace.
	Absolutely.
	I'll send my number right now through Savannah.
	Lots of love to you.
	Take care.
	Lots of love.
	See you my love.
	Bye bye now.
	Take care.
	Why would you say that if we didn't feel it a little bit?
	Yeah, yeah, we'd keep you out if we could.
	Unless that's a line, you know what I mean?
	I've not heard it.
	I'm a friend talking to people.
	I say dumb shit all the time for Yeah, yeah, because it sounds like it could be one of those Britishism kind of things, but I don't think that is.
	Or just like, in the barrel, you've got a bunch of silly, friendly, self-deprecating stuff, but that's not self-deprecating, that's Candace deprecating, that's not self-deprecating.
	No, no, that was, if we could get rid of you, we would, you're terrible.
	Yeah, I also have to admit it does somewhat tickle me that Russell used to have Candace's number and now doesn't.
	There's something about that that I enjoyed.
	I mean, he doesn't seem the most organized person.
	No.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	This is weird.
	Um, but also, like, okay, as a person, and I feel like I have had to face and wrestle with this just because of, like, what I'm into and the kind of art that I make.
	It's like, I am so into religious art, right?
	Like, I've had to reconcile, like, I'm an atheist.
	I'm, like, a very kind of, like, cut and dry atheist.
	But I've met all kinds of brothers and fathers and stuff and chaplains that I've had really cool conversations with because there are... Revolutionary theology is a thing and has been a thing.
	There's so many interesting conversations to be had with With religious institutions that also are trying to do social good, because that's, I mean, bless their hearts for trying, but they're still trying.
	I feel like they're in the minority, but being fascinated by Catholicism?
	Yeah, I already am.
	I'm not going to convert and it's not going to make me believe in God, but I've seen the things and visiting the Vatican is one of the most profound moments because, one, it's really small.
	It's very weird.
	Walking through it is surprising because on the pictures it seems big.
	It seems huge.
	It's like offices.
	But they're painted by Raphael.
	But they're still like, somebody's fucking office!
	Which is bonkers.
	And they're gorgeous.
	And to me, the human achievement is overwhelming.
	And I don't need extra I don't need extra kind of faith fluff to be enthralled by ritual traditions that are so intrinsically human.
	So I don't disagree with that either.
	But I don't think she's reading that.
	I don't think she's listening.
	Especially looking into the AlphaCore stuff, because I have looked into a little bit of it for a previous off-brand, which that might be a thing now that it's come back up.
	Yeah, there's especially a lot of like Anglican priests that can quantify why everything that she said is absolutely hideous and terrible and are like, the BBC puts them on in documentaries and on the news and be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is all bullshit.
	This is crazy.
	But they're saying it like in a nice priestly way, but they're still saying it in like a way that's like, it's like, no, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Don't you put those words in our mouth.
	That's nuts.
	And I, and even I mentioned it previously, I think on, uh, I don't remember which, um, on or off brand, uh, mentioning that like the amount of like very sassy monks that are livid at the alpha course making, uh, things like the alpha course, which is, is, is a specific kind of like, Entree, and it's a course that you can take that Russell has mentioned previously, the Bear Grylls is involved with, that like adds charismatic, kind of like what you would think like a fundamentalist Protestant, you know, like Assembly of God types, you know.
	It infuses that kind of fun excitement for an afternoon, a Sunday afternoon, into kind of like the Anglican sort of like, you know, dowdy kind of Yeah, very much.
	Spices it up a little bit.
	Makes it a little more fun, a little more frisky.
	And so you've got that kind of selling point, I feel.
	Dudes that have a vested interest, or is their special interest, are so mad at Protestants not having rules.
	And they're so sassy about it in a way that I don't care.
	Like, we need rules.
	Like, come on.
	And they're so mad.
	And that's usually the kind of, I guess the content that's the most accessible for me trying to find out about traditional Catholic, like, trad-cath stuff is mostly, like, monks.
	Like, Jesuit monks and these guys that are like, these guys are idiots and let me tell you why.
	Or the interdenominational bitching, basically.
	Yes, the Perez Hilton gossip sites.
	Of monks.
	Yeah, but there's FR period in front of their name and they've got something to say on their little radio show and I'm here for that too!
	It's fascinating to hear what they're mad about!
	That's hilarious, yeah.
	Yeah!
	And also, I don't think that Candace will be divested from Kanye anytime soon.
	They're both wild anti-Semites, so I feel like they're gonna stay fast friends, I think.
	If it behooves either of them, they will literally set them on fire in public.
	That's the thing.
	It's like, I'll hit you with my car.
	That's how this level of person is going to the lengths they're going to.
	Also, it's a lot easier to meet priests than it is celebrities.
	So maybe you're really excited about it because they'll actually still talk to you because God kind of makes them.
	That's kind of part of the job.
	That's the thing is like what I'm fascinated by and I listen and I'm interested and I learn and I could not take away a more opposite view and perspective than she did.
	It's honestly, but it's to the point where I'm like, I don't think.
	You're listening to anything, unless it's specific, whatever Pronten or whatever she was talking about.
	I'm going to look into it.
	I'm interested.
	But like, also I can't, I have to figure out what the word is too.
	So, but that kind of like, like either it's just, it's chaos.
	Girl, you didn't read it.
	No.
	You didn't read it.
	But nobody else is going to either.
	And you know that.
	So you're lying because you can make up whatever you want.
	Pretty much.
	Pretty much.
	It's another tome where they can say, well, this happened and no one's gonna check.
	No one in the universe is gonna check.
	You know none of these motherfuckers are gonna check up on you?
	No, absolutely not.
	And like, they don't care about hypocrisy anyway!
	Well, it's like her talking about Alexander Solzhenitsyn, you know, who Jordan Peterson also loves, you know.
	It's like, yeah, no one's gonna fucking check that.
	Of course they're not.
	Yeah.
	That's a name that keeps coming back.
	Yeah.
	Nobody's interested.
	Anyway, that was Candace round two, anyway.
	A bit more nuts this time, I think.
	A bit less hateful?
	I don't know.
	No, still very hateful, but just maybe crazier?
	I don't know.
	I'm not liking the Catholicism Bent.
	I'm not enjoying that very much.
	Well, I'm going to get back into the Google Mines and try to dig some stuff up then, because it's it's I was getting somewhere and then I cover something else.
	So but yeah, also that because I'm I'm everything that got name checked.
	Oh, oh, I want to know.
	Oh, I want to know.
	And I'm curious.
	Oh, let's figure this out.
	But yeah, I mean, I learned a lot.
	I will say that.
	Every time I am forced... gun in my head, I have to listen to what she says.
	I do learn a lot.
	Yeah.
	It's awful.
	Very informative.
	Usually not from what she's saying.
	It's the stuff around what she's saying, you know?
	Yeah, it's a lot of insight into talking points that are very muddy, especially the way that Russell talks about it.
	He can dance all day.
	He can dance like a five-week-old Embryo around the kind of points he wants to make, you know what I mean?
	Whereas like, she's being specific.
	She is giving us information.
	So like, all right.
	Okay.
	And I already have some research ready to go for AlphaCore, so yeah, let's fucking party.
	Well, that'll be fun.
	So that's what we'll be taking a look at most likely this Sunday for an off-brand.
	So yeah, if you want to support us on what we do, head to patreon.com slash onbrand.
	We would love to have you and that's where you can look at the off-brands as well.
	If you want to get in touch, drop us an email.
	It's theonbrandpart at gmail.com.
	We'll get back to you.
	If you're on Facebook, go to On Brand Awakening Wonders.
	There's a lovely group of people there talking about us and doing things and we're there too.
	And there's a subreddit as well if you prefer more anonymous browsing.
	It's onbrand underscore pod.
	And yeah, go there for the book club and TV movie club conversation as well.
	And for socials, we're the onbrand pod everywhere except for where we're not.
	Look for the logo.
	And personal socials, I'm at alworthofficial and Lauren is at may.by.lauren.b.
	And if you click the link in the description, you can purchase a magnet that is being waved at the screen right now with gold!
	Gold!
	We saw gold.
	Actual, real live gold around it.
	Leaf.
	Yes, gold leaf that is available.
	None of this we're going to pretend is a piece of paper with gold.
	No, no, no.
	It's actual gold leaf.
	Yeah, so patrons, we'll see you Sunday for some off-brand fun.
	This is definitely going to be interesting getting into some of this stuff.
	And the rest of you, we'll see you next week.
	So take care of yourselves and each other.
	Thank you very much.
	We love you.
	Bye!
	Bye!
	Thank you, bye!
	That's not win-win-win.
	That's lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie.

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