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June 20, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #61 - Gina Carano

Russell interviewed Gina Carano for Florida week, and while she discusses her Elon Musk funded lawsuit against Disney, this ends up going a number of unexpected directions. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - wesellactualgoldrighthere

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	This is propaganda live.
	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth and each week I go through an episode of Brand Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me!
	And I'm the host that has no clue what we're about to get into today as the subject matter, but it's usually not great.
	Maybe even some would say bad.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Oh, the garden, hopefully.
	We're going to be positive about food production in the backyard.
	We were just talking about the weather, comparing notes on weather before we started recording.
	And what's really fun about constant Fluctuations in both temperature and, um, and, and atmospheric issues is it just turns, it just turns any dirt into, like, really makes your dirt terrible.
	Like, like truly awful.
	Um, just like a brick.
	Um, so I had this like kind of desiccated brick in the backyard.
	Are those good for planting things?
	Bricks?
	You know what?
	Weeds.
	Weeds have a fucking field day.
	Somehow.
	Yet barely improving the soil quality, even with all that drainage from roots.
	Well, it's because, you know, that box I was talking about was like undermined by rodents and literally undermined, as in they mined under and collapsed it.
	Literally undermined.
	Yes.
	So, yeah, all that.
	Like I thought that I originally thought there was like a human digging holes in my backyard for some reason.
	So that was, I was like, that's an absurd notion, but this looks like a human dug a hole with like a post driver.
	So all that dirt that came out just kind of made these weird mounds and has since Become brick-like.
	To the point where I think the backyard might be adaptable to ceramics.
	Genuinely.
	Like the clay.
	Because it's also not quite... I don't know.
	I have a theory, but I'm also probably not going to test it.
	But anyway, finally got it done.
	It was way too late in the game, so I got mature plants or whatever.
	And I sweat gallons while I was setting it up, but it finally got done because I, listeners who know, if you know, you know, as an emergency ground cover, when I first started working on that backyard, I planted some more mint than I needed to.
	I planted mint.
	Oh, oh, I know this mint is incredibly invasive, isn't it?
	Mint-itis.
	Yes, I was stricken with mint, but it's all finally hacked through with a machete.
	Not kidding, but it's not great.
	Uh, hopefully I'll be able to show off some squash later in the year.
	That's the fun one.
	Though sometimes I feel like I play that video off-brand.
	I was gone and Mike's like, oh, we have a zucchini and it was like two feet long and it was like, yes.
	Yes, I do recall.
	I do recall giant squash, yeah.
	And it was just hiding under a leaf.
	And we just hadn't had just like what the fu- So I think that's the one thing I can make very well.
	Squish.
	So I'm I'm I'm cautiously I've figured out all the all the plants I can't have due to infestations and rodents.
	So we've narrowed it down to about four kinds of plants that I can maintain.
	Reasonably safely, so that's... I'm cautiously optimistic, having set myself up to succeed.
	That's where I'm at.
	Yeah, I like the optimism.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	Strawberries did good this year, so I feel like that's a positive, like... It's a positive first step, and I can be reasonably sure that things will go not the worst.
	That's where we're at.
	So it's a good thing.
	That's optimistic.
	I like it.
	My good thing is I finally got around to watching Weird, the movie about Weird Al Yankovic.
	Oh yeah!
	Have you seen it?
	No, no, no.
	There's a couple of drag queens that were in it.
	And so, like, I, it kind of leaked that it was, like, gonna, or it was before the premiere, they were having all these parties and everybody was, like, all, everyone's outfits, like, there was, it was kind of like sneak peeks at, like, the outfits and the, and the, you know, the transformations into these people.
	And I was like, what the, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
	And then I was like, oh, there's a movie.
	And so that, like, I'm very familiar.
	I just, like, haven't gotten around to watching it, but, like, it's, it's, it hoved on my field of vision kind of early.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was on Prime.
	I became aware of it because I'm a fan of Weird Al and I quite like Daniel Radcliffe as an actor as well.
	So I was like, oh cool, this is going to be fun.
	And it was fantastic.
	It is probably the dumbest movie I have ever seen in my life in the best possible way.
	I hope so.
	That is assuring to me.
	Yes, yeah.
	In terms of, like, sense of humor, I mean, I know you're an Austin Powers fan.
	I think it fits within that kind of milieu.
	And yeah, just terrific, absurd comedy.
	And every single person in that movie is committed to the bit.
	And it's glorious from start to finish.
	Now, you say Austin Powers fan.
	Some of them!
	I probably haven't seen since I rented them on video.
	Sure, sure.
	Heavy caveat there, I guess.
	The style of humor is more what I mean.
	In my youth?
	It's more like I'm programmed by.
	You know what I mean?
	It's one of those, like, it's a set of movies that like...
	Formed my young mind, and I will always appreciate, but there might be some things that I haven't revisited that I'm not going to claim.
	Sure, yes.
	No, I'm with you on that 100%.
	Yeah, I haven't rewatched in a good chunk of time.
	So yeah, bear that in mind.
	I love.
	Yes.
	I'm not going to co-sign.
	I'm not going to co-sign in the Year of Our Lord 2024.
	Yes.
	No, no, no.
	Me neither.
	But yeah, very much.
	Type of humor, though.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, very much in that kind of style.
	And there are so many absurd things, and some of it that seems real, but isn't, because it's supposed to be autobiographical.
	Or biographical, should I say.
	Yeah.
	And bits of it very obviously are not.
	Things like him performing Live Aid with Queen, for instance.
	You know, just little things like that.
	Right.
	Delightfully fun movie.
	Highly recommend.
	Just excellent from start to finish.
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	It's this which allows us to be editorially independent and ad-free.
	As a patron you'll also get a shout out on the show and access to our patron-only show Offbrand where we discuss anything but Russell Brand and this week we took a look at the seven-way UK election debate between all the major players and of course featuring Nigel Farage as one of the seven.
	And yeah it got a little chaotic occasionally but I think we still managed to come off as quaint compared to US politics.
	I think that was the verdict.
	I mean it was interesting!
	It was really interesting.
	It was really interesting to see how, what was, okay, boy, that sure is not specific.
	What was the same and what was different about the United States.
	I think that was interesting.
	That was interesting.
	Yeah, I think it was genuinely, it was really enlightening to see and to actually like sit with it, not just see clips.
	Because we live in president campaign country.
	Right.
	It's just all the time.
	It's so and that's like a fucking move in and of itself.
	Like that's like a method of control is saturating our news with like just America.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	So having something like having a reason and having to sit down and like process a totally different You know, like, there's certain ways, um, you know, that they're the same and there's certain ways they're different.
	Actually, oh, so first pass, one thing I do want to say for Americans, um, because I looked into this because I was like, Because first past the post is not the phrase we use.
	And so I was like, because first past the post, to me, not necessarily what it means, but what it sounds like and what it conjures in my mind is Trump wanting to stop counting the votes when he's ahead.
	Right.
	You know what I mean?
	Like that's what I, and I'm like, that's not right.
	What can I replace it with?
	Winner take all is usually what we say, which also I get that people that are like people that are American are like very fast and loose with sports references, which is very alienating for people.
	So I understand why you wouldn't say that.
	I guess first past the post is horses, but at least they're I don't know.
	Kind of.
	Kind of?
	Because you can just see First Past the Post.
	But like, anyway, it's winner take all.
	And First Past the Post were like, basically the same thing.
	So if you hear that and you're confused, because you're not used to hearing that as an American, that's basically what the deal is.
	And not... That's solid advice.
	Yeah, because it is a confusing term, to be fair.
	It seems to kind of come out of nowhere.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And specifically when you have...
	A president who's really trying to commit election fraud.
	And that's how he's like, oh, well, I'm winning.
	We should stop.
	Stop counting.
	No more votes.
	That's a real thing he says.
	And he's going to do it again, by the way.
	It's going to happen.
	So first he's supposed to be like, I'm first.
	I passed the post.
	I'm first.
	We can stop now.
	That's unfortunately what that conjures in my mind.
	And that is a very specific Problem?
	Yes, yes.
	New fun problem to have.
	It's a very America-specific problem, no less.
	Yeah.
	For now.
	But yeah, that's definitely worth delineating for sure.
	But yeah, I'm glad it was enlightening.
	Oh, totally.
	As I said in the thing, I've seen a bunch of US political debates, so it's kind of fun to have a little exposure to the reverse.
	But yeah, so head to patreon.com/onbrand to check that out everyone.
	And please note that while you can easily listen to our audio version anywhere you can find podcasts,
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	So this week, Florida Week continues.
	Florida week and a half.
	Was it like Florida Fortnite?
	Not quite.
	It wasn't quite Florida Fortnite, but it was close.
	This time we have a remote sort of interview, the kind that we're used to.
	The last couple of weeks we've kind of been plagued with a couple of big dum-dums, and I'm not overly convinced that this week's guest is going to break the streak, but we'll see.
	Let's let Russell introduce them and get into a little conversation about hats.
	I'm joined live now by Gina Carano and her hat and her cheekbones.
	Gina, thank you very much for joining me.
	I like your hat as well.
	Are you a hat person?
	Yeah, I've taken quite a lot of heat for this hat, Gina.
	Why?
	I love it.
	You might feel like you know what it's like to be at the centre of a media storm, but I've been criticised for having a tiny hat and it never stops hurting.
	People in the chat, where we are now, our AwakendWonder chat on Locals, say that it's too small, they ridicule it, they find ways to hurt me about the hat, but you like it, huh?
	I think the one thing you're missing is a feather.
	I think it needs a feather.
	I'd do anything for a little feather in my cap, is the truth of the matter.
	Do you have like a large head?
	Is your head physically large?
	I don't care for the direction of inquiry, if I can say, Gina.
	Okay, it's a cute fit.
	I'm not the one on trial!
	Yet!
	My head actually is like, it's a large head.
	I have a big head.
	I've got a giant melon head.
	I don't know if you've ever seen the film Elephant Man about the trials of John Merrick.
	I've got a head that's, it's an enormous boulder like head.
	Like if I'm in a hat shop, like this hat is enormous.
	It's actually made of foam.
	It's a novelty hat available for American Major League Sports, but my head is so large.
	You know, I've got a really, like, I've got a big head, a big hat, a big head.
	Same, we have that in common then.
	Okay.
	Yeah, this is one of the rare interviews where I click on it and I genuinely have to ask, what is this?
	What am I in for here?
	Okay, so we've established through a lengthy bit that Russell has a giant melon head, an enormous boulder-like head, something akin to the Elephant Man, and he's not on trial yet.
	Okay.
	Well, I mean, he could use some more brim.
	It's a stingy brim.
	Stingy brim hat.
	Now, that's a specific term for a different type of hat, but I will use the stingy brim label for this particular, it's, like, he's Russell Brand.
	Get a nice one.
	It should be big and floppy almost.
	Well, not even, just, it needs more, like, if you want to do, like, the, it's, It's a sparkly, jeans, manicured, goatee, man's, you know, like a Vince Neil type will wear, like a shaped, like a fashion cowboy hat, but like a straw fashion cowboy hat, quite common.
	Here, I'll say.
	It's a vibe.
	And listeners, if I'm conjuring for you, you already know.
	Affliction t-shirt, sparkly pants, you know, goatee, frosted tips on a man of a certain age.
	You know, like the hat.
	This is fascinating.
	I've never seen this person in my life.
	I feel like I could show you a picture.
	But also, yeah, y'all don't make them.
	So like, I get it's also dissonant.
	But like, it's a straw.
	Fashion cowboy hat.
	But it looks like one he got from CVS.
	Not, like, from a store.
	And, like, he's been in movies, so get a nice one.
	Genuinely, it, like, looks a little, um...
	Oh, humble.
	It's a little humble.
	Humble hat.
	It's a little kind of child size.
	And so listen, the straw hat that I use, again, to protect myself from the sun outside doesn't fit me great, because of my dome.
	So like, I get the struggle.
	But like, yeah, me too.
	You're fucking Russell.
	You gotta IMDb.
	Get a nicer one.
	Especially you're in Florida.
	You've been to Florida.
	Florida, you've got an annual income of millions.
	He could definitely get a nice one.
	Tacky fashion.
	Yeah.
	Let's step up a little bit.
	Because I have nothing to say about his blouses, like literally ever.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Just bring it up to speed.
	Bring it up to speed.
	Put yourself together, Gal.
	I agree.
	Now, I'm going to get to Gina Carano in just a moment.
	But first, inexplicably, hat talk continues before Russell gives a little bit of a lecture on the Elephant Man.
	Can I say, I mean, I don't know if we have an image available, but that is the exact type of hat that John Merrick the Elephant Man used to wear on top of his sack to give the sack a little panache.
	In the movie!
	I have no idea who this John Merrick is, but it's sounding...
	Gina, David Lynch made a film in, I guess, probably the early 80s.
	It was produced by Mel Brooks, surprisingly, and I feel like John Hurt maybe won an Oscar for his portrayal of John Merritt, the elephant man, who was a Victorian circus freak.
	Who, due to a deformity, a serious deformity, was known as the Elephant Man, and a myth came up around him that his mother was trampled on by elephants.
	He toured around, you know, the circuses and freak shows of the UK, making a living from his unfortunate deformities and appearance, because even though it's just a century ago, Bring it back.
	were more brutal then, or at least we thought, because actually it turns out that people
	conceal their brutality now in extraordinary ways, which we'll be discussing later.
	Their mendacity, their cruelty, often just dressed up as compassion and kindness
	still seems pretty prevalent in our culture.
	People still enjoy making people into freaks, condemning people, parading people around and shaming them,
	often under the auspices of kindness and culture.
	But the simple truth is, is that Elephant Man wore a hat just like your hat.
	Well then I think I love it.
	You look a lot better than he did in that hat Gina.
	You look amazing today and thank you so much for joining us today for our show.
	Yeah this is one of the strangest openings to an interview I've seen in quite some time.
	Interesting lecture.
	His hat is a pork pie hat, by the way.
	The one in the movie.
	And hers is a version of a fisherman's cap.
	That's weird to me.
	This is inane.
	Completely!
	And very strange.
	And actually, the actual live human being was Joseph, his name was.
	Yeah, so for the record, just to be clear, The Elephant Man was nominated for eight Academy Awards, tying with Raging Bull that year, but didn't win any.
	However, and I thought this was interesting, industry experts were apparently appalled that the film was not going to be honoured for its make-up effects when the Academy announced its nominations.
	A letter of protest was sent to the Academy's Board of Governors requesting the film to receive an honorary award.
	They of course refused to comply but they did decide to give the makeup artists their own category and then the next year the Academy Award for Best Makeup Category was introduced with an American Werewolf in London as its first recipient.
	Oh, really?
	That's the first?
	Oh, I feel like that was trivia in the back of my head because I love the effects in that.
	I mean, I'm a bit of a practical effectman.
	I enjoy the practical effects very, very directly.
	Yeah, I thought that was interesting.
	The Elephant Man did win three BAFTAs, so maybe that's where Russell got confused.
	One for Best Film, one for Best Actor to John Hurt, deservedly so, and one for Production Design.
	Oh, I think that's totally fair.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, completely fair.
	Anyway, Gina Carano is the guest this week.
	Now, Gina Carano was born in Texas, raised in Nevada, and is the daughter of former Dallas Cowboys quarterback Glenn Carano.
	Means nothing to me, but it might to some of the audience.
	She went to a Christian high school and was big into sports from a young age.
	As she got a little older, her boyfriend talked her into trying MMA and she did well and became a moderately successful featherweight fighter, winning seven fights and losing one.
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	hasn't fought since that one loss in 2009.
	That same year, she landed a role in Haywire opposite Michael Fassbender, Ewan McGregor,
	Bill Paxton, Channing Tatum, Antonio Banderas, a star-studded cast in which she was very
	much the odd one out, and playing the lead role as well.
	That's a big first gig, right?
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	I wouldn't want to do that.
	Oh, I would be very, very nervous.
	Yeah, and like many of her subsequent roles in Fast and Furious 6 and Deadpool, her acting was criticized as being a bit stiff, a bit wooden, but everyone did somehow agree that she was attractive and did a good fight scene.
	Christy Lemire of AP said she has a stiff delivery, but that Carano has tremendous presence, an intriguing mix of muscular power and eye-catching femininity.
	Okay.
	Feels weird, but okay.
	In 2018, she was cast in The Mandalorian, portraying the character Cara Dune, and it was around here that things began to fall apart for Gina Carano.
	See, for one thing, she's an outspoken conservative, which doesn't jive too well in Hollywood, but the bigger problem was that she just wouldn't shut up about any of it, or the various conspiracy theories that come with her beliefs.
	This began to simmer properly in 2020 when fans were upset at her lack of support of the Black Lives Matter movement.
	She had initially posted a black square to her Instagram, as was de rigueur at the time, and then she removed it.
	Uh, and also some of the more eagle-eyed fans went through her liked tweets section and found that she'd been liking anti-BLM tweets and rhetoric and videos and that kind of thing.
	Um, which, uh, wasn't a great look.
	Um, she also got pissy at those calling her out and said, quote, In my experience, screaming at someone that they're a racist when they are indeed not a racist and any post and or research you do will show those exact facts.
	I never want to be praised by Breitbart.
	I know, I know.
	They are cowards and bullies."
	Unquote.
	Okay, that led to praise from Breitbart for refusing to buckle and bow to the woke social
	media.
	Good stuff.
	I never want to be praised by Breitbart.
	I know, I know.
	God, at that point just fire me into the sun.
	So yeah, already not going great.
	She also drew flack for setting up an account on Parler.
	This is back before truth social was a thing, and Parler was of course home to delightful individuals like Gavin McInnes, Laura Loomer, Katie Hopkins, and the Trumps.
	It was really, I think, the first incarnation of Nazi Twitter that I remember, whereas now there's a bunch of Nazi Twitters, including regular Twitter.
	Twitter.
	Yeah, no, Twitter.
	Yeah.
	From here, Karana received accusations of being transphobic.
	Her fans had requested that she put her pronouns in her Twitter profile.
	She didn't want to, so instead she added boop slash bop slash beep to her Twitter name, which some trans folks saw as mocking the convention of listing one's pronouns.
	Defending herself, she said, "They're mad 'cause I won't put pronouns in my bio to show my support for trans lives.
	After months of harassing me in every way, I decided to put three very controversial words in my bio.
	Beep, bop, boop. I'm not against trans lives at all. They need to find less abusive representation."
	Okay.
	In an interview with Barry Weiss in 2021, Carano said she was also trying to draw attention to the abuse of the mob in forcing people to put pronouns in their bio.
	I think we're using the phrase abuse a little bit loosely there.
	Ain't it?
	Yeah, I'm not quite sure that what she said on any of this qualifies as bigoted, but she's definitely being a bit of a combative dick about the situation, and I don't think it won her any friends.
	Supposedly Pedro Pascal, who stars in The Mandalorian, ...tried to educate Gina on visible pronouns and their importance.
	He has a trans sister, Lux, who he's very openly supportive of, so, tracks.
	However, Carano opted not to follow his advice and said, "...that's not my style to put hashtag anything.
	I'm also not gonna put hashtag Trump's rights.
	He knows a thousand percent I'm not homophobic or transphobic."
	Clearly, she learned an important lesson from this interaction.
	She also said the incident prompted Lucasfilm and the Disney HR department to design her a... what she called a re-education camp.
	Okay, drama.
	Which included media training and a conversation with two transgender representatives from GLAAD.
	She was also asked to release an apology, but said after days of back-and-forth edits, Lucasfilm gave up and abandoned the effort.
	Um, because clearly they couldn't agree.
	I thought she did post like a terrible half-assed apology or that she says like, oh Pedro, you know, my friend Pedro Pascal told me and so it was better.
	I remember this slightly differently.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I think they were, I think they were trying to get a broader statement out of her.
	Like an official.
	Yeah, a bit more detailed and, you know, I've learned things now, that kind of stuff.
	But clearly they couldn't agree because maybe she didn't learn the things.
	I don't know.
	In early November 2020, she signed on to Trump's voter fraud claims, saying, quote, We need to clean up the election process so we are not left feeling the way we do today.
	Put laws in place that protect us against voter fraud.
	Unquote.
	Okay.
	In mid-November 2020, she shared memes mocking those who were wearing masks to protect from COVID-19.
	One read, Democratic government leaders now recommend we all wear blindfolds along with masks so we can't see what's really going on.
	In general, consistently super anti-mask, anti-lockdown, and anti-vax, and continued posting about the election being stolen from Trump, and appeared to also like tweets that were supportive of Jan 6th.
	And then came the nail in the coffin.
	Gina Carano made a post to her Instagram showing a picture of the 1941 Lviv pogroms, during which Jewish men and women were massacred by their own neighbours.
	And the post said, quote, Jews were beaten in the streets, not by Nazi soldiers, but by their neighbours, even by children.
	Because history is edited, most people today don't realise that to get to the point where Nazi soldiers could easily round up thousands of Jews, the government first made their own neighbours hate them simply for being Jews.
	Now, I can think of a really very long list of reasons as to how that is different, but just to be clear, what she posted here is comparing being conservative in the United States today to being Jewish in Nazi-controlled Europe in 1941.
	So, she got fired for that one.
	A statement from Lucasfilm said, quote, her social media posts denigrating people based on their cultural and religious identities are abhorrent and unacceptable, unquote.
	According to the Hollywood Reporter, a source with insider knowledge of Lucasfilm said they'd been looking for a reason to fire her for at least two months.
	And if so, kind of get it.
	And nowadays, in the more recent past, in a lawsuit funded by Elon Musk of all people, Carano is suing Disney, alleging wrongful termination and sex discrimination, and calling to be rehired to receive $75,000 in compensation plus punitive damages.
	Disney have invoked First Amendment rights, claiming the studio is entitled to protect its own creative speech from association with Carano's views.
	I also bet she signed contracts that said that you can't damage the brand.
	Yeah, I'm 100% sure that's what happened because it's written into all of these things.
	Disney being one of the most fiercely protected brands on the planet.
	Yup.
	Yeah, their lawyers do not fuck around.
	And they are not gonna lose!
	They're not gonna lose!
	No, absolutely not.
	Oh my god.
	At a fan expo in May this year, Karano insisted she has no ill will towards her former employers and would be happy to return.
	I bet she would!
	Yeah, right!
	I bet she would!
	Yeah, yeah.
	My prediction is that Odds are slim, especially as Carano's views only seem to have gotten more based in alt-right conspiracy theories and anti-Covid shit, which we'll get to explore a little bit today!
	Alright, now, let's get into the first actual question from Russell about Gina's self-inflicted downfall.
	When that happened to you, mate, when you went from being sort of a celebrated artifact in the culture, in a celebrated Disney product, to being an outcast and attacked, can you tell me what that did to you emotionally, what it did to your well-being, what it did to your faith and your trust, and how it made you feel about yourself?
	Well, so while I was going through the whole cancellation process, well, there was an intense amount of pressure from Lucasfilm Disney to pretty much just push their own ideologies on to me, you know, and represent what we represent and say what we want you to say.
	And then demonizing- Bitch, it's called a job.
	Really?
	And then putting you through basically this horrendous humiliation session when you didn't comply.
	Okay.
	I'm sorry.
	If I could identify a person that could use some media training, like it's media training.
	Yeah.
	You probably could have massively benefited for like, Just learn where to keep your mouth shut.
	Pretty much, yeah.
	Listen, there's hills to die on, and I don't think she picked the right ones.
	And that's no one's fault, but hers.
	Well, she thinks that she's the victim in the situation.
	And she says cancellation process, like immigration process.
	Like, you don't need to learn the states and capitals, gal.
	Like, come on.
	Yeah, I would argue much more the victim of, you know, consequences of her own actions, but hey, she's the victim of a private corporation exercising its rights, which these people are supposed to all be for.
	Pay her fucking buckets of money to represent the brand!
	Yeah, sounds like a job!
	Exactly, exactly.
	You don't get to go work at Starbucks or whatever saying, saying, I hate BLM or whatever, do you?
	They would fire you for that.
	Right, right, exactly.
	Well, maybe.
	Maybe!
	Maybe, maybe.
	Well, maybe.
	The thing is, is like, one, everybody, read a contract when you sign it.
	Like one that's very valuable and important.
	I'm not talking about terms and conditions, which we should be able to read that to, but we're not.
	But this is a big deal.
	Lawyers were involved, and you read what you agreed to.
	And if she was pushing back, because here's the thing, not just her, but there is representation of the female brain And thought pattern or anyone that's lived as a gal in the world.
	Representation is usually brain dead.
	And if you are in like a leading role, very often quote unquote strong quote unquote women are like The ones that act like a man.
	That makes you strong.
	Like, makes you act like an asshole man.
	That's like, I have a whole, listen, y'all don't want to get me started about True Detective Night Country.
	Oh my god.
	Um, it's just it's very insulting to like, people that have real thoughts in the world.
	And if she wanted to die on the hill of like, please write two, maybe three dimensions to my character, instead of just squinting and being a dick.
	That's not a character.
	That's a caricature.
	And that's what she has to play.
	Or maybe that's all she's got in the tank.
	Listen, I'm not necessarily here to accuse, and people can grow and learn and change.
	If that's the hill, I support that hill.
	That's a reasonable point to make.
	If you're going to use your platform, hey, make me a person, not like a man lady who's an asshole.
	Well, she does claim to be very feminist as well.
	So yeah, I would say that's a much more reasonable avenue of discussion.
	Yes, I agree.
	I'm not sure how well it would fit her.
	I know in 2014, I think it was, she was cast as the lead for the Expendables, which was supposed to be an all-female version of the Expendables.
	That never occurred, never materialized.
	That's why she was perfect for Deadpool!
	Because she's dead behind the eyes!
	She's got nothing going on!
	She was an amazing straight, like a straight man to the Deadpool character.
	She was perfect.
	But then I had to find out that that wasn't on purpose.
	That's just her acting.
	And listen, people can change and people can learn and grow, right?
	But like, not oozing with You know what I mean?
	Like, a more well-rounded kid.
	Because like, again, I don't know what they're giving her.
	I don't know.
	I mean, and genuinely, like, what they're giving her doesn't look super complex or interesting either.
	Say that.
	Because she's never going to learn if nobody gives her the opportunity.
	She's not going to learn how to be a more well-rounded, better acting person if she doesn't have the opportunity.
	So I think it's entirely, even if she's like, I feel one-dimensional, I feel constrained.
	I have no reason to believe that thought has ever crossed her mind, but I'm saying, in a vacuum, if that's the hill you want to die on, if that's from your place of expertise, I don't think that she's a doctor.
	If I'm not mistaken, I didn't hear doctor in that background?
	No.
	Right?
	No.
	You know what I mean?
	It's not that she can't pick a subject that is important to her.
	So by no means am I like, oh you're an actor, shut up.
	Not at all.
	Very much not at all.
	I think it's the wrong course of action.
	There are better battles to pick.
	And in terms of acting, we saw it with Dave Bautista.
	He was definitely, because he's from a wrestling background, was typecast into meathead roles, whereas now he's a brilliant actor.
	We've seen him do a whole bunch of things in recent years.
	There's John Cena!
	Oh, Jones, he's such a good comedian.
	Yeah, he's great.
	He's hilarious.
	Who would have thunk it?
	Who would have thunk it?
	Because he got the opportunity, and then he sees the opportunity.
	It's almost like media training and maybe some fucking acting classes would give you a little more understanding.
	Also, maybe having understanding for people in the world and having a diverse background makes you a better representer of humans when you go to act.
	Just a thought!
	Just blue sky in it!
	Wouldn't it?
	sky in it. Being able to step into someone else's shoes one might say would maybe make you a better
	actor. Yeah, you know what, there's something to that. I like it. Wouldn't it? Anyway, naturally
	she has a little more to say on how this all affected her and how much of a victim that she
	in fact is. I'm sure.
	I don't know if you've ever felt this way, but like, have you ever had anxiety so much that your skin hurts and your, your body hurts and it's, it's anxiety just coming through your body?
	Yeah.
	That's what I was experiencing.
	And I was experiencing a high level of paranoia, a high level of, you know, When you know when somebody is trespassing into your, your uncomfortable zone in yourself.
	And that kept on happening over and over.
	So for about a, I'd say, a little less than a year, it was this torture session of trying to just say, I'm not doing anything wrong.
	I'm just not doing what you want me to do.
	Yeah.
	And so that was really, Hard.
	And so flip to, you know, three, you know, years later, as you can see, there's no, I just, I'm moving into my house today.
	So it took me three years to rebuild back.
	Actually, today and yesterday, I'm moving into a home.
	And it's just took me this long physically, emotionally, and spiritually to get to a place where I get to wake up in my own bed and with my own view.
	And just, I'm truly just like grateful.
	But it did take three years of my life of being called the worst things.
	And, you know, I did not do anything wrong.
	I didn't say anything wrong.
	It's just unfortunate what I hope happens through what happened in my scenario is that it'll make it that much more difficult for it to happen to the next person and the next person and everybody will just keep getting stronger by speaking their heart and their, you know, speaking their heart out a little bit more.
	You're a beautiful communicator.
	laughter Oh no!
	laughter Wait, wait, wait.
	I'm here, wait, I'm here, come on!
	(laughter)
	Oh, good God, Russell.
	(laughter)
	(laughing)
	(laughing)
	Oh, I got it.
	I had to let that out.
	I've been waiting to pull this for months.
	It's the shade button.
	This is it's a drag race thing.
	And I get that you're not a drag race person, but every single listener.
	I've, like, Russell has still been magnanimous enough to not warrant me running in the other room and getting this.
	Not today.
	That was cruel and hilarious.
	I'm done.
	We can stop.
	You want to stop?
	I'm done.
	That's the best thing I'm going to hear today.
	It's definitely this week's version of, yes, how beautiful.
	Unique perspectives!
	Beautiful communicator!
	Oh god.
	Yeah, that killed me.
	That's really funny.
	Oh my god.
	Delightful.
	I yelled right in the microphone, I'm so sorry, oh my god.
	Oh, that's so spatsy.
	It is consistent throughout this interview.
	Girl needs to pick it up a little bit, you know?
	Just bring some energy.
	Oh boy.
	Okay.
	Um, so, uh, yeah.
	So, as to what she was actually saying, so she experienced high levels of paranoia and anxiety.
	Oh, okay.
	That, that's, you know, no one should have to have to deal with that.
	That sucks.
	Um, but what I am confused about is whose bed she was sleeping in for three years and, and what view she had for three years.
	What happened for three years where you couldn't live in a house?
	Whose bed she was sleeping in?
	Well, she, yeah, she was like, in sleeping in my own bed.
	I'm like, what?
	Where were you before?
	What happened?
	I mean... You know?
	You know, MC Hammer went bankrupt, but I feel like that took some time.
	But also, listen, maybe the compensation package was not good.
	But I have a theory!
	I have a theory!
	That the Mandalorian would have like...
	That's the first priority as soon as I'm in movies, is to secure a roof over my head.
	And that would be the most important thing.
	But then again, I'm frugal.
	I don't know.
	I mean, and also like, listen, housing market is insane.
	Genuinely, what's crazy is like, And I do want to address this, because we do talk about, like, there is a different, like, things have changed a lot, economically speaking, and I think that we've all been kind of, like, dealing with it, but something very striking to me, and I will bring it back to Drag Race, is, like, I, growing up, it would have been insane to me to think that, like, winning RuPaul's Drag Race,
	Getting a pot that's $250,000 or something.
	Winners get excited and make a whole meal.
	They're like, I bought a house.
	You have to win one of the biggest TV shows in the world ever And you're excited, hey guys, I finally bought a house.
	So yeah, shit's bad out there, right?
	Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's brutal.
	Absolutely, the housing market is completely insane.
	So I don't want to discount that, but it's weird.
	It's a weird thing to say.
	It is a weird thing to say, and I tried kind of looking into it, I was like, Where did she live for three years?
	The only thing I could find was that at some point last year she did an interview in a hotel room, but I can't imagine she was living in a hotel for three years, because that would be insane.
	That feels like a choice.
	Yeah, also that.
	You know what I mean?
	That's not...
	That's not sleeping on your friend's couch.
	No, I don't think that's a concern.
	I think her partner is quite successful as well.
	I don't think there's a great deal of concern necessarily.
	Also, she's saying it's been a rough three years, but she starred in two movies for the Daily Wire, for which she presumably got paid.
	I mean, that'd be a rough year for me, but who's counting?
	Right.
	One called Terror on the Prairie, a western, and another called My Son Hunter, about none other than Hunter Biden.
	Just great work from the Daily Wire.
	She sure did.
	She was there.
	Man, on the prairie?
	Oh yeah, I guess they're not, they're not in person.
	I'm positive she has a spangle man, like a, like a divorce dad, a divorce spangle dad.
	Like I'm sure she's got one of them hats around.
	It's like, I would say do them a solid, but I get it, they're not in the same place.
	Send it in the mail.
	Yeah, so she did a couple of movies and I've whinged a lot of media outlets and that's kind of been the last few years that I could find.
	Don't blame cancelling for your poor money management.
	That's weird.
	I don't know.
	That whole thing does get blamed for quite a lot in this interview.
	But first, Russell weighs in on the concept of cancel culture.
	It does feel extraordinarily mechanical and terrifying and sort of you can't have like a reasonable conversation about morality and virtue because actually, deep down, that's not what's being discussed.
	You can't say, listen, I know that I was promiscuous and that my conduct around women was not the man I should be and not how I would want to raise my son and how I'd want to raise my daughters.
	But you can't turn that into what you have claimed and are claiming.
	Using the media machinery and government agency.
	You can't do that.
	You can't do that.
	We have to have conversation.
	Where is the moral center of the organizations like the people that are attacking and condemning you?
	What's their morality?
	What's their drives?
	You know?
	Maybe I'm going out on a limb here, but I'm not sure Russell can be claiming the moral high ground in this situation, you know?
	Like, well, what's THEIR morality?
	Oh, we don't like people who've been credibly accused of multiple sexual assaults.
	Well!
	Fuck yeah, it's hard to argue with that, isn't it?
	Alright, I guess I'll just say the CIA did it.
	Well, yeah, and I feel like he said mechanical.
	Yes.
	I think maybe consistency appears mechanical to a narcissist who'd really like everyone to change the fucking subject immediately.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And to someone who only goes whichever way the wind is blowing.
	Right.
	Consistency seems foreign.
	Maybe even mechanical.
	Yeah!
	Oh dear.
	Alright, now we get to talking about Elon Musk, and Gina Carano has an interesting comparison to draw between Elon and another figure from history.
	Yeah, it's an extraordinary battle that you're about to face.
	How did it come about that Elon Musk said that he would support you?
	I understand that he broadly has a policy of supporting anyone who's persecuted as a
	result of things they've said freely on X.
	Can you tell me how that's come about and what kind of, if he's been of comfort to you
	other than by virtue of the fact that he's a powerful person and has incredible resources,
	has he been personally comforting?
	And does this mean having that kind of support, the support of Elon Musk, that this is something
	that you're going to pursue to its sort of natural conclusion.
	And would you tell us what you have in terms of desired outcomes?
	You sort of said that you might have a, you had an idea of justice a minute ago and I just wondered what that looked like.
	But could you tell us first about the Elon stuff?
	Elon Musk is not somebody I know personally.
	I've never had a conversation with him.
	I've never met him in person.
	I've just spoken to the lawyers who speak to the ex people who speak to Elon.
	So I think that what he's doing in life has been I think when we look back in history, we started wondering, where are these people at?
	Where are the people that are changing the game now?
	Where are the Martin Luther Kings?
	Where are the people that are speaking out?
	And I think we'll look back and we'll find, you know, we'll find a lot of those.
	But I think Elon Musk, without having bought Twitter for that, this this time being in this election, you know, and let's just go for short, you know, because I don't know where it's going to go.
	Oh, pick it up.
	Jesus.
	For the short term of like allowing free speech on his his platform has been just a complete game changer across the world.
	I mean, I will agree, yeah.
	Change the game!
	I wouldn't say for the better, but it's definitely changed the game.
	No, yeah, I was like, so far, on board, Mar-la-nope!
	No, no, no!
	Elon Musk is like Martin Luther King!
	And that's where I am out.
	Honestly, I struggle to think of two more opposite individuals.
	Like, one of them has inherited wealth from an emerald mine which supposedly engaged in slavery and hates the BLM movement, and the other, you know, fought for equal rights for black people in the United States.
	You know, it's like comparing Trump to Gandhi.
	I'm like, these are just two very, very separate entities.
	Well, they might have more in common, actually.
	Yeah, actually.
	But that's unrelated to their political work.
	Yes, yes, that's true.
	I didn't think of that.
	Actually, you can make comparisons.
	Yeah, you know what?
	You know what?
	I scratch that.
	Yeah, you're right.
	But yeah, I mean, well, just have a little compassion because she struggles to think a lot, from what I can tell.
	I mean, I'm sorry it was low-hanging fruit.
	It was there.
	But like, it's, oh boy, media training.
	Maybe should have sat through the media training and like two ears, one mouth, you know, keep it open.
	Keep the open.
	All right.
	I mean, but again, this is what she's given fine.
	I don't want to watch it.
	It is boring and weird and doesn't make sense.
	Why?
	Yeah, that's a fair assessment.
	The full interview is interesting, and I use that term loosely.
	Now, Karana mentioned her heightened paranoia earlier on, and I feel like there might be a little bit of that coming through in this next clip.
	Yeah.
	He contacted, well, they contacted me.
	After he put out that tweet that he was, if you've ever gotten fired, then I kind of went viral because everybody, the people that were paying attention, they were like Gina Carano.
	And I'm like, and I just said, I think I qualify with a smiley face emoji.
	And then, I don't know, months later, I got an email from the lawyer and he said, we'd be interested in looking in your case.
	And it was like, it was important because I wanted to take them to the case earlier.
	I just was in a very unsafe place in LA without any security.
	And I had stalkers and I had journalists.
	And I remember one night specifically, I had gotten done with a meeting and I was taking Uber home and they were trailing me and they were You know, it was scary.
	It was really scary.
	And I just remember, like, asking the Uber driver, can you please try to lose these tails?
	Like, can you please get them off our tail?
	And he did.
	But I just remember just, like, getting out of the Uber and falling, like, you know, into my, you know, loved one's arm and just crying because I was just so just harassed.
	And it was Awful.
	And I'm sure you've experienced that.
	But they kind of put my life in danger, you know, for this time that I was living in LA.
	Hang on a second, because, I mean, if there were really stalkers and people following you, like, sure, that sounds terrible by any metric and something no one should have to go through, but if that did happen and it wasn't just the aforementioned heightened paranoia, how is that Disney's fault?
	Like, there's a leap of logic between these two things that does not get explained, but somehow Disney and Lucasfilm are apparently responsible for Gina Carano being unsafe and having stalkers in Los Angeles, and I'm not sure how those two things match.
	I would think, is it TMZ?
	If she was being followed by paparazzi, yes, that is dangerous.
	Unequivocally, shouldn't happen.
	Fucking full stop.
	Clearly terrible.
	Now, how determined is a vehicular tail?
	If your random Uber driver can lose the tail.
	Truly.
	Maybe I've got movie brain.
	I don't know.
	But just any old Uber driver, you're going to say, can you?
	Oh boy.
	We're being followed.
	Can you lose them?
	And then they do.
	That's a lot to me.
	That is a lot.
	First big ask.
	You better give five stars.
	And you know what?
	Big tip.
	Tip in the app, tip in cash, whatever you got in your pocket.
	You know, genuinely, that's just a human thing and I'd assume that that's exactly what would happen because she would not mention Uber.
	She wouldn't speak about that, like, she wouldn't be that specific if she also didn't tip.
	I'd imagine.
	It'd be especially untoward, in my mind.
	But, because also, what an impressive Uber driver if that was in fact the case.
	Incredible, right?
	Managed to shake, I mean, you know, you should be able to put that in your profile somehow.
	I can shake tails if people are following us.
	She got picked up by the fucking transporter or whatever.
	Very lucky in that instance.
	Jason Statham was the Uber driver.
	That's a wild thing to hear from a person.
	Pretty nuts, pretty nuts.
	And again, I'm unclear as to how it's Disney's fault, you know, but okay.
	Like, tell me who it is, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's saying, like, tell me who it is that is doing, like, tell me who it is that's doing this, or what you don't know and what you do know.
	Like, there's, there are parts here, just like, how, like, wait, where were you living?
	Like, how did, how did being, how did, like, making people mad on Twitter make you homeless?
	I want to know what that process was.
	Give me something to care about.
	Give me some, like, Give me something to, like, understand where you're coming from, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	There are a few points in this where we get kind of half the story and I'm like, what's the bit you're leaving out?
	There's definitely something crucial that's being left out here and I don't know what that is, but there's something.
	I don't feel equipped to conclude, frankly.
	No!
	No, not quite, no.
	Now, the next clip I'm going to play is Russell airing his feelings on the Disney Corporation.
	It's possible that we'll learn a great deal about the Disney Corporation, for example, in the discovery phase of any eventual trial, what their financial situation is, what the impact has been of some of their decisions and their position, whether or not they legitimately believe in the values that they claim that they believe in.
	I mean, in a sense, of course they don't, because they're a corporation.
	They care about generating Do you?
	They care about control. If they were a moral and ethical organization, they would behave
	differently. They wouldn't be buying up Marvel, buying up this, sacking people, refusing to allow
	people to have a range of views. Like, we all know what crime is, and we all know what free speech is.
	We all know that... Do you?
	You can be a conservative person, or a left-wing person, or a right-wing person.
	These aren't things that are meant to be criminalized and shut down.
	Once that starts happening, we're in a pretty extraordinary position.
	So I think that you could be on the precipice of something that might be culture Defining if this goes as far as it could go and I'm glad really because I'm a little sick of legacy media organisations and global corporations who perhaps more than anyone are responsible for the decline and I'm just going to say it, evil that we experience in the world right now.
	Acting like they got something to say about other people's moral conduct.
	I think they need to be brought down.
	I think it would be a good thing if they were not only regulated but destroyed when it comes to many of the legacy media organisations.
	I think they should be destroyed because they are.
	I feel like they are.
	Why?
	Why?
	Outsize power and influence?
	I don't disagree with that.
	Where are we coming from?
	Outer fucking space?
	Okay.
	Yeah, that's not the reason he brings it up.
	No, I think he might be maybe just maybe bringing some personal feelings into this equation just a little bit.
	It's a more interesting conversation if you listen.
	Russell?
	Maybe he could answer some of the questions that were like, wait, tell me about this.
	Dude, for real though, like, oh, we'll learn things about Disney from your lawsuit?
	Bitch, like 10% of YouTube is Disney's, is like Disney explainers of lawsuits and people that have gotten FOIAs and people that have been sued and sued.
	Bitch!
	Swing a dead cat in YouTube, you will find two hours of learning a thing about Disney that is accurate and sourced!
	Like, shit's everywhere!
	Her fucking lawsuit is not it!
	I mean, let them fight, I'd love to see it, but, like, come on.
	Honestly, they better not fucking settle.
	That'd be some bullshit, because this is silly.
	That really would.
	I don't think it's going to get that far at all.
	Yeah, I'll probably get thrown out.
	Yeah, that's my guess.
	I don't think any judge is going to look at this and be like, oh, this is a reasonable argument.
	But Elon's lawyers disagree.
	But then again, they're getting paid for that, so eh.
	OK.
	Next, we learned something about Gina Carano's media diet.
	And honestly, it explains quite a lot.
	I feel like Twitter and the free speech, I mean, I don't go to CNN.
	I don't go to Fox.
	I don't have any cable network.
	I go to Twitter to find out my news.
	I find, I find, you know, I find like the debating and the, the, the talking so healthy for people,
	you know, as much, and I, I went on like, I gave Chris Cuomo a hard time, you know, a hundred
	percent, I gave him a hard time on Twitter, but I appreciate that these conversations are happening
	because in order for them to happen.
	More things get revealed and that's happening on Twitter, that's not happening on major news media and they're kind of just destroying themselves.
	Is that what she means?
	No, no it is not.
	That's not wrong.
	I struggle to think of a bigger red flag than I get my news from Twitter.
	The next step below that is I get my news from YouTube.
	Facebook?
	YouTube I was going to say, but yeah, Facebook, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, fair enough, fair enough.
	YouTube is in there somewhere.
	But yeah, Twitter specifically, I mean, that's, you know, openly Nazis these days.
	That's not necessarily the best news source, would be my argument.
	Well, here's the thing.
	I mean, and also I just mentioned that, like, yes, if you want Disney news, if you want to understand what Disney does, 10% of YouTube and at least 8% of that is real shit.
	So there's also a lot of, like, I think going to, you know, PBS is on YouTube, Democracy Now is on YouTube, Al Jazeera is on YouTube.
	Yes!
	So it's not that YouTube itself is the same.
	It's inherently, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, and the way that, like, Twitter or Facebook is just, you're just getting sentences out of nowhere that feel good to read.
	Yeah, in those areas.
	Kind of.
	My thing with YouTube is that the only people I've ever known who get their news from YouTube are always, like, massively into Jordan Peterson and that kind of it, because the algorithm pushes people towards, like, white nationalism and misogyny.
	But yes, there is good stuff there.
	That is YouTube's fault.
	That is YouTube's fault, but YouTubers' fault?
	Sometimes.
	It's a crapshoot.
	It's a crapshoot.
	But there is some good stuff.
	If you know where to find it, there's definitely good stuff.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, that's for sure.
	But yeah, Twitter, not the one.
	No!
	The next clip kind of confused me at first until I figured out what she was talking about, and then she confuses me again.
	It's just, it crushes me because I go to these fan expos and I sign all the autographs and so many of the people, I'd say the majority of the people on my lines, they're not even really coming, you know, because of my characters that I played in my movies.
	They're coming to give me a hug.
	They're coming to thank me.
	They're coming to cry and say, you know, this is what happened to me.
	And it's just, it makes me feel so, so blessed that I get to do that.
	And so I never thought I'd be this fan expo person, but now I'm like, I get to be with people who, those are the people that need to be hugged the most.
	And just, they bless me back just by sharing that, that, that we've all shared for the last four years together.
	And it is very exhausting because there's so much pain in the world.
	So many, such worse, like such awful things happen to people.
	People work their entire lives as nurses, as Policemen as firefighters, they work their entire lives and it was stripped from them just like it was stripped from me.
	But I mean, I just feel like, you know, gutted for the people that were forced to take a vaccine they didn't believe in, which is basically you're forcing and I and I knew this from the beginning and I don't know I don't know why, but I just knew you're forcing injecting doubt.
	And later on, that doubt is going to play out in people's bodies, whether whatever this vaccine is, it's going to play out in people's bodies.
	And when you have fear of having had something injected into that you don't know about, It gets doubt, and then you have fear, and then that creates more problems, and we're seeing a lot of excess death, and I think that's a mental health, and it's because you can't force people to have a medical procedure, and then the rest of their entire lives, they have to doubt it.
	That is so not just.
	Okay.
	Firstly, no one's been forced to get the COVID-19 vaccination, at least in America or the UK.
	Some places of work have required it to work for them, but if you don't want to get it because you've swallowed the anti-vax stuff, it just means, you know, don't work for that organization.
	You know, that's the options there.
	Secondly, yeah, so, at first, like, I thought she meant people coming up to her about her getting cancelled and all that, but no, she was, COVID shit was where we were going, which, strange choice of icon to talk to about it as far as I'm concerned, but fine, people do, you do you.
	And, yeah, so, at the end there, it turns out the COVID vaccines were injecting doubt this whole time, and it's the doubt that's killing people, regardless of what's actually in the vaccines.
	This is a fascinating line of inquiry, and I have so many questions.
	Like, can other emotions or cognitive processes be injected into people?
	And which other emotions can kill people?
	Is there an opposing force?
	Like, can you inject sureness or contentedness into people?
	I have so many questions, but unfortunately, Russell doesn't ask a single follow-up on that line of inquiry.
	Well, emotions are fatal all the time.
	That's a reality.
	Like, that's actually true.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I don't think there's an emotion ray.
	Yes, exactly.
	Can you inject it?
	Is the question.
	Right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Like, yeah, sodium pentothal.
	Not actually a truth serum.
	But right.
	So you know what?
	This thought seems complete and ingrained.
	And what we can learn from this Everyone that can hear my voice right now, if you see Gina Carano's line at a Comic-Con, can you pull that mask extra tight and you steer clear?
	That's, I think, the warning that she's accidentally given everybody else.
	Yeah.
	That we know where the super spreader event will be in that particular moment and to just be careful and get your shots before you go.
	How about that?
	If you see you're on the bill, Just make sure you're taking precautions, I feel.
	Absolutely.
	She can still go to Comic Cons.
	Yeah, I found that really cancelled, huh?
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, and like if someone was not, like, do they say they don't like your movies?
	Like, are they just, are they overwhelmed and they forget?
	I mean, because here's the thing.
	If I'm in movies, but then I just, like, say something that makes a lot of people mad, and then I go to meet people at a comic, you know, like, if I go to allow fans access to me on, like, a mass scale, and they're saying, I love that mean thing you said, not I love you in this movie, I'd be fucking offended and sad.
	That would bum me out.
	I would be like, oh, I've done something wrong here.
	That's, like, in and of itself.
	I was not good.
	Yeah.
	Well, and I mean, like, she's having this experience because she's going to Comic Cons.
	Like, she's a person who has a fandom that can go to a, like, it's justifiable that she would go, she'd be, she would fit in, technically, in a Comic Con, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	So I get that she does have a unique experience that she can, you know, she has that interaction in a way that a lot of other celebrities wouldn't.
	Or aren't celebrities at all except for like except for the fact that they went viral for being a dick like that's she's got these kind of commingling like so I get that that's why she's probably got a different experience than other people that are like just cancelled for you know like but they still are allowed to sell ivermectin or whatever and they're like website portal like whatever like yeah she's gonna have that fan element so Yeah.
	Check the roster for your next Comic-Con, everybody.
	Yes, yes.
	And if you're going to cosplay, maybe consider going as one of the superheroes with a mask.
	And a double mask, you know, just to be safe.
	So, that was pretty much close to the end of what was available from the interview on Rumble, but there was a good half an hour chunk extra up on the Locals Channel, so I thought we could take a little look at what happened behind the paywall, seeing as we still have access to that.
	So, on the Locals Channel now, we get Gina Carano's assessment of where things could be going and what people should do about it.
	I think that eventually in the direction that we're headed, it could end up being a police state.
	And so I encourage good people to take on the responsibility of being a police officer and not trying to get out of these roles and start our own thing, but trying to get back in.
	And somehow make sure that when all of this starts gets pushed in that direction, that we have enough strong people where it'll take them another 20, 25 years to pull off what they tried to pull off.
	You know, I've got nieces.
	I don't have kids.
	I've got nieces.
	I'd like to see them get into their 30s and 40s, having to deal with another Anthony Fauci or having to deal with another Take over of humanity.
	So right now is an important time for people to not give up and to push forward to get united.
	And I think that's what we have to do right now is rebuild our trust in each other.
	And then And not be so divided about these, you know, it's actually a privilege.
	It's honestly a privilege to be complaining about, you know, genders and it's a privilege to be complaining about some of the stuff that they are throwing out there at us.
	Eventually things could get so bad where you're not going to be able to talk about that anymore.
	It's going to get so bad where that's going to be, you know, we're just going to have to like be surviving together.
	So we should start that now.
	It's a privilege to be complaining about having to be respectful of trans people.
	On that point, I agree.
	It's definitely a privileged take right there.
	Like, not wrong.
	Yeah.
	Smacking of privilege, if I'll say.
	Right?
	But we're gonna become a police state soon where even that might not be possible.
	So we need to start unifying and coming together to not be so divided.
	No suggestions as to how that should happen, by the way.
	And everyone should be joining the police force to make sure we have enough strong people to prevent the next Anthony Fauci or takeover of humanity, as she puts it.
	Yeah, I'm getting some real Alex Jones vibes from that little bit.
	Just...
	It's over for humanity.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Okay, Gal.
	I mean...
	I just wrote honk shoe real big on my paper because I couldn't talk over her, but I still wrote it.
	Man.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Like, yeah.
	Right.
	So she's pilled, pilled to the kills.
	And I, I mean, is she gonna, I don't think that she's gonna skyrocket to, like, charismatic fandom, I don't feel.
	No, I think there's a reason we haven't seen Gina Carano turn to being, like, an alt-right pundit, you know, like Russell could.
	Because, uh, not got the juice, it turns out!
	Definitely not got the juice.
	However, next she tells us what the purpose of life is, you know, why we're here, you know?
	Oh my god.
	It was awful.
	And, um, but who I am now, I wouldn't have been, you know, I was profound 2019.
	I was like, I don't know, maybe I'll move to New York and maybe I'll get a condo there and just experience New York for a little bit.
	Maybe I'll try to do Broadway.
	Maybe I'll just really just kind of like, you know, and now I found myself out on a farm in Montana or a little ranch in Montana.
	And this is just at the beginning and the troubles that I went through, other people can relate to.
	And isn't this all about like really what the world is about and like what we're doing here?
	It's about, you know, well, It's about like sharing Jesus and helping each other, right?
	So helping each other and God knows what your heart needs and what it wants and what it desires more than you do, more than I do.
	value more than I do. So trusting in that.
	That's why we're all here.
	Even Russell is melting with boredom.
	I'm watching him disintegrate into pieces.
	He's so bored.
	Yeah, there are two reasons... He's not wrong.
	He's not wrong.
	There are two reasons that this part did not make it onto Rumble.
	And one is, fucking snooze!
	And two is, there is the odd bit of crazy shit that comes up soon that should be kept off the front paw.
	Oh boy.
	Yeah, it's about sharing Jesus and helping each other.
	That's why we're all here.
	Good stuff!
	She's making us work for it today, huh guys?
	Fuck me.
	Given that Jesus was supposedly pretty big on the whole compassion bit, I do wonder where her sharing of Jesus went when it came to the LGBTQ community or the Black Lives Matter movement.
	It didn't feel compassionate from her, that's all I'm gonna say on that score.
	Sure didn't.
	Not sharing in enough Jesus.
	Also, I do not think Broadway would have been particularly happy to have Gina Carano around, given that it's a fairly queer space.
	That's awesome, but that's the thing.
	If, like, if she would have made a pivot and, like, it's...
	She's enough of like an entity and it would be like on Broadway.
	She'd be so bad.
	She's good in that way.
	Not like a, not good.
	That's the thing is like if you had a little bit of wiggle room gal, if you were like a little nice, you just be a little nice.
	A little bit.
	The gays would show up to watch you in any play.
	Don't listen to what they have to say about you.
	Don't do that.
	But you'd have a renaissance.
	I think that it's a lot to put on an MMA person to act.
	I think that it's a lot to put on an MMA person to act.
	Yes, yeah, yeah.
	There's a path where it's entirely possible to be gawked at and make a lot of money, I guess.
	It's true!
	It wouldn't take much, really.
	If she had been at least a little bit nice and had gone that avenue, she probably could have learned some stuff on Broadway.
	A lot of actors do.
	They get much better.
	Yeah!
	Pride loves an un-self-aware freak!
	Look at Jojo Siwa!
	She's headlining!
	And she didn't even have a saying!
	She's gotta show up!
	They love a weird freak!
	A completely un-self-aware person!
	It's an interesting kind of parallel universe that could have been, you know?
	Right, right, right.
	Now next, Gina stretches the limits of what can be described as an interesting story.
	It was really interesting.
	I was having a bit of a rough morning and I just like was fumbling through my bag and like I pulled out this little tiny tag that said Faith and I have no idea where it came from.
	It was just in my bag.
	You know, women's bags.
	My bag is like down here.
	It's this huge, massive bag and so I was like looking and I don't even know what I was looking for.
	I was trying to do my makeup so I look pretty for the interview.
	I found this little thing when I was at my ultimate peak of like anxiety and it was this little faith and I just cried and I was like, all right, faith then.
	Faith every day.
	Tight.
	Sorry if that was a tangent.
	No, it was very beautiful.
	I was thinking while you were saying that, not that I wasn't also paying devout, concentrated and focused attention, that you are so feminine that in any sane world, you would be held up as a feminine icon of free speech, not cancelled.
	And it is hard to imagine that someone that's so gentle and feminine could easily kill me.
	It was really...
	Difficult for me to hold in my head.
	And actually, I'm not sure that I like it.
	But in another way, I do like it.
	It's confusing.
	Gina, you're confusing.
	You're a confusing person.
	All right.
	All right, Russell.
	Getting creepy.
	Let's back off.
	Back off a little bit now.
	Listen, he's aware of her fan base.
	As a big weird freak woman body haver.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's the kind of person that pays your fucking bills, believe me.
	When entertaining is your job?
	Like, at least there's another job that I have a reason to be somewhere?
	Not just, I'm famous?
	Pay me?
	Like, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Wikifeet's your friend, sis.
	That's where we're at.
	That's where we're at.
	At least there's something honest about that.
	And also watching him squirm is hilarious.
	I just try to keep it together.
	Like, oh my god, let's try and pick this up, please.
	I was thinking while you were saying that, not that I wasn't paying devout attention.
	It's just I had all this extra thought bandwidth.
	I had all this time.
	And I had to do something with it.
	Yeah, because Gina found a tag in her bag that said Faith, and that was an interesting story.
	Okay, okay.
	She went to, like, Christian school.
	She has been this, like, clearly, like, fundamentalist evangelical Christian her entire life.
	I dare you to find a bag that doesn't have something that says Faith, Live, Laugh, Love.
	Corinthians something?
	I don't remember anymore.
	The one that got misspelled in the first season of Ink Master.
	You know, like that's... Honey.
	Find a bag or a box you just moved?
	I dare you to find a container that doesn't have one of those words in it!
	In your possession!
	Some kind of religious iconography somewhere.
	Maybe it's in Latin.
	That counts.
	Fuck off.
	Crazy.
	Geez.
	That's hilarious.
	What a bore.
	Also, gentle and feminine?
	He was looking for boring.
	That's not fair.
	That's misogynistic.
	Yep.
	Fair.
	Gentle and boring are not the same.
	No.
	Now next, honestly, this one gets a little nuts because she elaborates on being able to defend herself.
	I get told that a lot.
	But there is that part of me.
	You know, I just know that I know how to direct it.
	I grew up in Las Vegas, so I don't know.
	And I've been in a lot of scary situations.
	So I know... Elaborate on that.
	I know how to turn that on.
	And it turns on and I... Honestly, it's a very addicting feeling.
	Really?
	The whole fight thing and the whole...
	Yeah, being able to defend yourself.
	A woman tripped out on me.
	This six-foot-two woman in Montana who sadly had schizophrenia.
	She had a lot going on, but she was as big as a door.
	She was massive, and she probably rustles cattle.
	We were both getting coffee, and she was having conversations in her head, and I had been around I've been around, personally, people with schizophrenia, so I know that she was having an episode.
	And I felt so grateful for the fact that I knew exactly how I'd get her down.
	I knew I'd get to her back.
	I knew I'd get to her neck.
	I knew I'd choke her out.
	And while I'm thinking all of this, I'm like, oh, my gosh.
	And then TMZ is going to get a hold of, like, the Target fight, you know?
	And then I'm like, oh, geez.
	You know, and then I'm going to be the one that's guilty for defending myself.
	So I always have to think about all of this while this woman is like ready to attack me.
	But she ended up not.
	I didn't back away from my space.
	She had a big problem with that.
	So it was just a unique situation.
	I think I'm comfortable and I love that and I want that for You know, more people.
	Ah, yes.
	More people thinking about how they can elaborately inflict violence on the mentally ill.
	That's needed in society.
	That went so sideways from, I've been around people with schizophrenia.
	I know how to dot, dot, dot, accost, choke hold, knee on back.
	Like, what are we talking- What the fuck?
	That was crazy.
	That was a crazy left turn.
	Yes, yes.
	Because if you've been around, like, oh okay, I know, I just have never heard someone say, I've never heard it come out of a person's mouth, start thought, I've been around people with schizophrenia, I knew that this person was having an episode and talking to themselves, and how I have prepared to handle it in my life is to attack them.
	To beat the shit out of them.
	Well, or just to physically restrain them immediately.
	Because usually I'm like, you know, in my mind, like any preparation I have had for that similar situation, I'm like, oh yeah, you know, talking to them, diffusing the situation.
	De-escalation, right?
	De-escalating.
	No!
	No, instead, instead you should be thinking about how you can go for someone's back and their throat.
	I know how to choke them!
	Until they pass out!
	This is classic, like, if you're a hammer, everything's a nail shit.
	That's crazy.
	Like, that's like, not, I mean, I know that we don't say good and bad, it's not, but that's not a good person.
	That's not like, you're a bad person if that's where you go.
	Or... That's worrying.
	Or, and listen, and I can relate to this part of it.
	I can completely understand having to be on your guard, specifically being that kind of woman person.
	Like, yeah, you have to defend yourself kind of all the time.
	If you are like a bit of a lightning rod in public, yes, you do have to think about it.
	But...
	We should want a world where we all have to think about defending ourselves from danger less.
	Not!
	She's like imagining this sweet, wonderful... I wish more people just knew how to totally fight strangers when they make me mildly uncomfortable.
	Right?
	Yeah, it's the... When you hear her say, like, oh, I've known people with schizophrenia before, you think it's going to go to a place of compassion, of empathy, of like...
	Or efficient!
	Just be efficient!
	Diffusing a situation is just efficient!
	Yes, yeah it is.
	And de-escalation and diffusing the situation should be the prime goal if that situation ever occurs.
	You'll never have to worry about TMZ.
	You'll never have to worry about the cops.
	None of it.
	You won't have to.
	That's why it's the best choice!
	Is if it never happens at all!
	Further troubling is her saying that the feeling of engaging in those violent thoughts is addicting.
	I am concerned.
	Like, that's not a good sign.
	My assumptions were confirmed.
	Okay.
	But you know what I mean?
	I'm like, not surprised.
	I'm like, oh, okay.
	That's right.
	That's right on the money.
	Okay.
	Gotcha.
	Russell, thankfully, does have something to say to this.
	Have you ever taken a Muay Thai or Mixed Martial Arts class?
	Because I think you'd love it.
	Or Jiu Jitsu?
	Aren't you doing Jiu Jitsu?
	Yes, I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Gina.
	And like, when you were telling that story, I think inside your head is as crazy as inside your bag.
	You know, you must be thinking, oh my lord and saviour Jesus Christ, oh how beautiful to see that foal born.
	This woman's schizophrenic, what I'll do is I'll kick the back of her knee, I'll be round the back of her...
	I'll chunk her right out!
	Oh, what? Is Russell on our show?
	Oh, no!
	Because I didn't feel... I would only feel that way...
	It was because she was aggressive.
	And that makes it fine.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Russell just commented for us.
	We don't have anything to say.
	Pretty much.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Things are a little nuts in Gina Carano land.
	Yeah, I agree with that assessment.
	That's 100% correct.
	He's coming for a job here.
	Come on.
	And now, obviously, as it's come up, we get to the subject of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
	And Russell tells a story, and then we get another kind of strange pivot from Gina.
	I'm going to talk to you now about Brazilian Jiu Jitsu because one of my favorite things in the world is to talk to people who know a lot about a subject, about the subject they know a lot about, when I don't know very much at all about that subject, sometimes from a position of ill-deserved authority.
	So I do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
	I got a purple belt.
	I started doing it after I chatted to Joe Rogan about it.
	And the thing I like about people that are good at jujitsu is there's often a kind of humility that accompanies their confidence.
	I like that combination.
	Yeah, I'm thinking of like Hiron and Hena Gracey, who like the, I've trained with before,
	who like, in their, like even in their body language, the way that they hold themselves,
	very loving, very gentle. But one time, I think it was Hena Gracey told me a story about
	like, like me, and I think a lot of people do this, you ask, "Excuse me, mister.
	Have you had to have fights in real life?
	When did you use your jiu-jitsu in real life?
	You know, people like to ask that kind of question, you know?
	I was asking that question, and I'm going to ask you it in a minute, actually, Gina.
	And, um, Henna told me about something that happened in Roadhouse in L.A.
	And he said that someone was jumping in a mosh pit too much and it was going near, I don't know, his wife or his friend or somebody.
	And like, I was like, so how did you hand that?
	And he goes, I just put my hand on his shoulder.
	I said, hey buddy, you're going to have to calm down.
	And when he did that hand on the shoulder bit, he put his hand on my shoulder.
	And even though all he was doing was putting his hand on my shoulder, communicated through that was, Do not try to defy the suggestions of this individual.
	I suppose in an animal way, there was a kind of something that was coming through that hand that was like, there's more behind this hand than you want to deal with, you know?
	Isn't it remarkable?
	Like some of the toughest guys I know are some of the most gentle people in the world, you know?
	They know.
	I think it's just so healthy.
	I think most mixed martial arts is so healthy and understanding humility.
	I mean, I think, you know, going into the gym every day is humbling yourself, right?
	Getting in altercations on the street.
	There's nothing noble about that.
	It's one of the things I get so frustrated.
	I see all these kids, you know, these gangs just completely bombarding on one or two people.
	Man, does that just kill me inside that these people think, you know, this is not noble.
	This is not glorious.
	This is not attractive.
	Why are you jumping people in the streets?
	It was one of the things that I hated about the BLM movement was I saw two older couple.
	They were just trying to walk across the street and you've got these people in masks and blacked out.
	And they're standing in front of this couple, who's one of the young women using a walker.
	And you just think, if that's my grandma, I'm You know, I'm a human being still.
	I just, oh man.
	That would just make me so angry.
	What does?
	Tell the other half of the story!
	What happened?
	It's not a story for another day.
	It's a story for right now.
	It's called an interview and people have to listen to you.
	Just tell the middle!
	Tell the middle of the story!
	Like, I must be missing something, because from what I could tell, during a Black Lives Matter protest, an old couple, one with a walker, were going for a walk, and some Black Lives Matter protesters who were wearing masks, because of COVID-19 by the way, were stood in the way, presumably protesting.
	That's the most of the story we get here from Gina, but she was apparently very angry about it.
	And one can only assume this is probably a video she saw somewhere on social media.
	I don't recall that video.
	No, me neither!
	I tried looking.
	I tried looking.
	I found people, you know, getting guns out against Black Lives Matter protesters and that kind of thing.
	Yeah, I don't remember this one.
	Yeah, there's something missing here.
	And also, yeah, that immediately after all these gangs going around and jumping people, that's why I hate the Black Lives Matter movement.
	What?
	What?
	There's a, there's a, there's a middle.
	Where's, where's, where's the, where's the substance of this thing that you're saying?
	Because I hear whistles.
	You know?
	Yeah, she's like, not even, but she's not even dog whistling.
	She's just like, she's not, she's going.
	It's not really a dog whistle?
	Like a whole ass dog whistle would be clear.
	Yeah.
	Really trying.
	Yeah.
	It's like when I try to whistle.
	It's pathetic.
	Like it's, yeah.
	It's a dog outward breath.
	Like it's not, yeah.
	That's, we're not...
	Yeah yeah um oh dear.
	I have no idea what she's talking about.
	No no and I wish I didn't.
	I was remembering all these videos of like oh yeah old people getting like mauled by cops that you know the dude in Buffalo that got like pushed over and is like Head was cracked open on the sidewalk it's like very old man and by the way they got away with it completely like that's that's like that's what I remember.
	She said old people and I was like oh the old guy in Buffalo no in fact not at all and like.
	What's the thing in the middle?
	Like, this is classic, like, kind of baby brain shit.
	Where's the meat of my sandwich?
	You gotta say the middle part also!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah!
	And I think that's definitely another reason why she's not, you know, made the transformation into Alt-Right Pundit, you know?
	You need to bring the meat, you know?
	Genuinely, also, as a person that is absolutely, like, 100% guilty of, like, my train of thought, very often you get the engine and the caboose.
	And then that's when Russell, the interviewer, would say, could I have the cars in the middle, please?
	And then you say that because you have a point.
	You're not just kind of, Yeah, yeah, it feels airheaded.
	You know that that kind of just just there's there's nothing.
	There's no substance there.
	It's just wishy-washy.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Wishy-washy.
	Yeah.
	And Russell Russell does not follow up.
	No.
	And in the next clip, he settles on what he thinks the problem is societally.
	So a lot of like the toughest people in the world, they're pretty much right there.
	They weren't the most gentle... They were the most gentle giants ever.
	I think what you're discussing and describing is dignity and behaving with dignity.
	And I feel that some of these essential values are being lost, that we're losing contact with both our animal nature and our divine nature simultaneously as we become incrementally civilized to the point where we're ultimately in prisons, in prisons in our own bodies, in prison in our own minds, in prison in our own homes, out of touch with the great sources that we have access to that are our rights, the inner relationships that we can have with the divine.
	Alright, so we all need to get with God and that'll fix the problem.
	Um, shocking take from someone who wants tiny Christian theocratic ethnostates.
	But the main reason I play this clip is to preface the next one where we, uh, we actually get to learn just a little bit more about Russell's baptism.
	And the divine and the natural are the same.
	They are the same.
	They are triune.
	The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the animal, the natural, the sublime, and the divine.
	These things are... You got baptized with bare girls, right?
	I only get baptised by the SAS.
	I need special forces to baptise me.
	To swing in, come down from helicopters.
	I'm going to baptise you!
	I'm going to baptise you so hard!
	I'm going to baptise you into the middle of next week!
	Yeah, he was like, he stood there, my brother Joe, who's like someone who's in recovery with me, me and Bear Grylls one side, Joe, the other side in the River Thames, the Reverend there on the river bank, blessing me up good.
	And like, you know, I went backwards into the Thames.
	I came out of it without catching many of the diseases that are sadly available in that river into a new relationship with our Lord and Savior, cleansed, born again and renewed.
	My mate Joe stood on a nail or a bit of glass.
	Oh, nearly lost the toe.
	Bear Grylls straight away.
	Okay.
	Like this is it.
	Like the baptisms just happened.
	I'm about to give like quite a long sermon.
	I think people may be suspected that was what was about to happen.
	They see Joe's foot and Bear goes, we're going to the hospital.
	We're going straight to the hospital.
	And then he like got my mate Joe's foot in our kitchen sink, washed it off.
	He goes, Russell, we're going to the hospital.
	And then he took out like some strong antiseptic I think it's called TCP.
	Other brands are available.
	Poured it all over Joe's foot and he goes, Joe, the next few seconds are going to require you to be a man.
	Poured this stuff all over his foot and then bound it up.
	And when we arrived at the hospital to get the stitches from our mate Joe, the people in the hospital were like, whoever bound this foot up did a really good job of it, man.
	And I was like, yep.
	That's Bear Grylls, baby!
	When Bear Grylls binds your foot up, it stays bound up.
	So it was like a baptism, a healing.
	We almost saw the whole of the New Testament in a 20-minute period.
	Bitch, they were barefoot?
	That's disgusting!
	That's fucking disgusting!
	Why?! !
	Don't go barefoot!
	Don't go barefoot!
	I think honestly the biggest takeaway from this is do not get baptized in the Thames.
	Don't go barefoot! Don't go barefoot! Oh my god!
	As well as the Thames having raw sewage dumped into it from time to time which is just
	just a delight. Way too much.
	We're not living in a dystopian hellscape, I swear.
	You can also step on pieces of broken glass or nails.
	This is apparently in the section of the Thames right by Russell's house in Piss Hill, Oxfordshire.
	Yeah, but thankfully Bear Grylls came to the rescue.
	The other thing to note here is that the Reverend was stood on the riverbank, which puts it more up into the air as to which denomination he's gonna be.
	Could be Anglican like Bear Grylls, could be Catholic like his wife.
	I still don't know.
	We'll find out.
	Maybe it'll cover the spread.
	Maybe, maybe.
	Who's to say?
	Yeah, and we learned who Joe is.
	Apparently a friend in recovery who got his foot gouged open for the sake of Russell's baptism.
	Poor Joe.
	Poor Joe.
	Um, another thing, I know, right?
	Good lord.
	Like, I was already, like, really grossed out that they were in the water that, like, I looked up how much sewage is in there for an Off-Brand episode and it was gross.
	Yes.
	Barefoot?!
	What the fuck?!
	Oh my god!
	Don't do that!
	Bleeding into it.
	I mean, the diseases you could have picked, you know, that's insane.
	Yeah, how he does not have a staph infection is incredible to me.
	Yeah, modern medicine.
	Well, Bear Grylls.
	Bear Grylls!
	Bear Grylls knew what to do.
	Bear Grylls potentially saved Joe's life, or his foot, you know?
	You're gonna cut your foot in poop water, I guess Bear Grylls is the first person that you want to be there.
	I would think, don't uncover your feet at all!
	Former Special Forces guy, yeah, yeah, for sure.
	Super army soldier.
	Important thing I'd like to note is until a few days ago Bear Grylls was Chief Scout of the Scouts.
	He had been I think for like 15 years and the other day he stepped down as Chief Scout.
	A lot of media reporting seems to be connecting it to Russell's baptism, but I'm yet to see any actual evidence of the two things being connected.
	And the scouts, they've only said very positive things about Bear Grylls, so we'll see.
	We'll see if anything comes out.
	They don't ever admit fault in any way.
	It was mentioned in a couple, I didn't left it out because it seemed, it was, you know, didn't have time to cover it and didn't seem particularly germane to the topic whenever we were talking about it, but like, Because I was trying to figure out which, you know, the the church side of it.
	But yeah, he's, um, several articles mentioned it.
	And I think it would make more sense for them to kind of quietly wait till it dies down and then be like, we're going to move on from you rather than make this big spectacle and make kind of a martyr out of him.
	I think they probably handled that really well, actually.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, maybe.
	Maybe.
	I hope there is more information in the future.
	Well, there was connections in the press, so like that may have been enough, which I feel like the scouts should be extra, probably should have started being extra careful kind of a long time ago.
	Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
	Now, there's something that these two individuals, Russell and Gina, kind of unexpectedly have in common, and that's that they have both been on Bear Grylls' show.
	Now, bear with me for this next clip.
	It's a little bit long, but Gina wants to tell an important story about her experience with Bear Grylls.
	The cool thing about the experience was I feel like I had a moment with Bear.
	It wasn't supposed to snow, and one of the nights we were, you know, sleeping outside in tents, and I had this incredible, like, insane Vision that I feel like I could call it a vision because that's what I feel like it was and it was the same night that my first episode of The Mandalorian was airing and we were on there was like a couple three of us another woman we're on our separate tents and it was just so cold that I tried to put on three socks that didn't work I
	Took off the socks, rubbed my feet together.
	There was no getting warm in this situation.
	And Barry was like yelling at me from the, you know, tent.
	And he's like, you doing okay Gina?
	And I was like, it's really cold.
	And he's like, yeah, we didn't think it was going to be like this, but don't worry.
	It's going to be okay.
	And I'm like, you know, you don't, I was like, all right, I'm staying in this.
	I'm not backing out of this.
	So then what happened was I, I was like, all right, well, it's going to be a really tough night.
	And then I just remember completely going to sleep.
	And when I went to sleep, I, like, my body kind of, like, my soul felt like it went through the tent to, like, hovering above and looking down at the three tents.
	And then it saw all these wolves, and they were all surrounding, and they were so hungry.
	And you can hear their bellies, like, aching, and they were so starving, and they were, like, drooling.
	And they like surrounded the tent and then they, I, my soul kind of went back into my body and the, one of the wolves come in and they were, it was breathing on me and I can hear its stomach and it was so intense.
	And I just was so cold at that time.
	I just kind of lifted up my neck to like, just let it bite my neck and like, you know, and then what happened was this chanting.
	Um, and these chanting happened.
	So my soul went back out.
	And there was these, these spirits, like chanting and their feet weren't touching the ground, but they were chanting and there was pounding of the ground and there was this big blaze of fire in the middle.
	And they didn't pay attention to me or the wolf, but they were chanting and it was powerful.
	It was the most beautiful sound I've ever heard.
	And they're chanting all around this campfire and just kept on chanting.
	And then I went back into my body and the wolf laid down and its breath warmed me instead of it wanting to kill me.
	It started heating my body and the next thing I know I wake up in the morning and um it felt like a two second I was like oh it must I must have just fallen asleep for an hour and I was up in the morning and Burr was like let's go we're gonna go jump off like the largest ever mountain and I was like okay I feel like I just went through this crazy spiritual experience and now I'm gonna go jump off this mountain so Um but I think you know in my heart what that symbolized was that you know well one that I have you know I have spirit like the angels and you know they're rooting for me and I have people on earth rooting for me and praying for me and then
	That danger ended up clothing me with heat and protection.
	I never told anybody that story, but it was really one of the most powerful dreams I've ever had.
	Never tell me about your fucking dream!
	Never tell me about- Never tell me your dream!
	Unless it's the most wild-ass Super Mario Bros.
	shit, literally!
	Never ever!
	(laughter)
	(laughter)
	Oh, this was amazing!
	Never tell people your boring-ass dreams!
	Ever!
	I like the Dennis Reynolds thing of, you know, unless I'm in it or someone's having sex, don't tell me.
	I don't care.
	1000%!
	Yes!
	Or the Bosnickian response is like, if you tell me, I only have to listen to stories about your dreams if we're fucking, that's the only, like.
	Yeah, that's fair.
	Fun fact.
	Because then it's about you, you're invested in the person and what their brain does whenever it's defragging, like that's, oh my god.
	Fun fact, severe hypothermia can cause hallucinations.
	Also, yes, that's the first thing I heard was like, yeah, you're having an intense experience
	as a cold person in a tent. Who I've been, it gets wiggity.
	Yes, that's true.
	It sounds to me like Bear Grylls took her to a mountain unprepared and under-equipped
	for the snowy conditions that occurred, Gina Carano got hypothermia and hallucinated about wolves
	until morning.
	Been there, Gail.
	And I've never bored anyone with the story.
	Ever in my life.
	I've never told anyone that, I wonder why.
	They would have died if you had done so.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, so for those of you without the visual component, the emotional support hammer came out, but for a very different reason this time.
	I wanted it to be over.
	I was on the edge.
	That was...
	The back of my eyeballs are melting.
	My diodes are melting.
	That's ridiculous.
	You have no idea how much of this I've cut out.
	We cannot match her energy.
	She's bringing the room down.
	This is incredible.
	We've got one more clip.
	One more clip.
	And Russell gets a little weird.
	And then Gina has something to say about Russell's journey.
	Thank God that all the while that was happening to you, you had Bear Grylls in the next tent.
	You and Bear Grylls together, I feel like it would take a pretty serious wolf pack to take you both down, man.
	He's an impressive man and you're an incredibly powerful woman.
	It's such a great privilege to spend time in your company, even virtually.
	I hope I get the chance to be with you in person.
	You're such a beautiful human being.
	You're so brave and such a demonstration of Great values.
	Thank you, Gina.
	Thank you for your time.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for walking along your journey and being so honest and vulnerable with it.
	My cousin did something similar.
	She had cancer and she let people know her journey, but it's been really a pleasure to watch Your vulnerability and your journey and your honesty and your open heartedness.
	And I think it's been very powerful.
	So I do hope I get to meet you in person.
	We will meet in person.
	I'll come to that damn farm if that's what it takes.
	Still getting the weird vibes over here.
	Now, forgive me, but the main thing I can't figure out is exactly how Gina's cousin sharing her cancer treatment journey is the same as Russell being credibly accused of sexual assault and then lying about it for months.
	Oh, wow, dude.
	That is... Her thinker broken.
	That's crazy.
	When she started to say my cousin did something similar, I was like, this is gonna get wild.
	Well, I thought recovery, right?
	That's what I was like.
	Yeah, recovery journey.
	It's his brand.
	That's like a thing that genuinely, I know, like, I think that we, you know, us, us lifers with the on-brand journey, we can agree that like, He's he milks it in a way to be kind of like over the top and that he crosses over to inappropriate but on its face if you just know about Russell Brand.
	Recovery from addiction would be the thing that my cousin also went through.
	Not having cancer.
	Yeah, is like getting accused of being a rapist.
	And y'all's like, if I was that survivor, I'd be livid.
	That's so crazy.
	Don't compare me to this.
	That's insane.
	That's absolutely insane.
	How long did she do MMA?
	Um, just three years.
	Three years it was.
	Yeah.
	Do you know how often she took him to the Dome?
	I don't know.
	I mean, she only lost one fight and then she gave up.
	So, so I, I, you know, I, I can't imagine she, she took it that hard, you know?
	That just doesn't seem like a complete Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like a full Pikmin basket.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Right.
	Doesn't seem like all the marbles are there.
	And I'm trying to be, like, genuinely.
	Because, like, with the anxiety that she described, that's sucky.
	That's, like, really, that's extreme.
	Yeah.
	And even, you know, just hearing her description of that, that's hard to hear.
	It's hard to hear someone, like, Hard to hear.
	It activates my empathy sensor.
	No one should feel that way.
	That's terrible.
	And I think that it's even if you're in the public eye, you are that much more, you know, Apt to be, you know, like, chased by TMZ or whatever.
	So it's not like it's completely out of the realm of possibility.
	And I think if you lose enough fame, you are begging TMZ to start following your random Hoover drivers.
	Like, that happens a lot as well.
	But yeah, man.
	Oh boy.
	Okay, this is...
	So boring.
	Yeah!
	It was like, what, an hour and twenty, I think, that I had to sit through of this, and watch it multiple times, and holy shit, I was turning into cement sat here going through it.
	I was like, oh my fucking Christ.
	I'm just picking it up, girl.
	Can I unsubscribe from this, fucko?
	Can I stop?
	This is terrible.
	You can unsubscribe from Russell, that's fine.
	Jeez, that's crazy.
	Like, so what I, you know, what I referenced earlier, or whatever I started to say and kind of like stopped, the thing that really gets under my skin is because there's, you know, there's like general things like statements you can say.
	And if you have any kind of like, if you have a wrap up or anything else, have at it.
	OK.
	I mean, You know, and I think with anybody, especially anybody that's on Russell's show, anyone that we have to confront, there's like, there are, you know, like, hey, please don't do that.
	You're making the world a worse place.
	Could you please stop?
	Like, general, like, hey, we're all humans and you're making it bad for other humans.
	But then there are very specific, like, I feel, I feel triggered.
	I feel very, like, as a personal experience that, like, that especially, like, You extra suck because I know and I have experiences that I'm sure that we have in common that you should be, you should be feeling the opposite than you are.
	Especially if she's like, if she's coming for trans people in any way.
	And I got this off the bat.
	So I get that I'm like the extreme side of like, like I, I, Turfs never, from the jump, made a lick of sense to me on any level.
	And listen, and that's from a place of privilege that I'm saying is like, it never resonated.
	But the reason that I feel that way is not very privileged at all.
	And it's because if you're a tall female-presenting person, You're a big, husky, muscular, like, female-presenting person, then you absolutely are a target for that kind of, like, that gender-based violence and that kind of, like, side-eye that, like, the people that are gonna be impacted the most
	Buy bathroom bills.
	100% of the fucking time are gonna be women that aren't feminine enough.
	For other psychotic Karen women that have had a bad day.
	That's the person, like a butch lesbian or a butch straight mom of three or like any of these, like, cause there is something kind of inexplicable that, and experiences I've had because I'm a tall, like large frame, heavily tattooed female presenting person, right?
	And it is unavoidable.
	Body type, there is nothing I can do to change that obviously a feminine body, right?
	I cannot...
	Hide that.
	And I never have.
	Which is why it's extra crazy when some, like, psycho on the street decides to call me a man.
	Or, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, it's just like, what?
	I mean, I'm open to your argument, I guess, but I really don't see where you're coming from, you know?
	Tell me the middle, maybe I'll get it.
	You know what I mean?
	Give me the middle of the story and maybe we'll be able to at least reach it.
	Right now, we're at an impasse.
	Yeah.
	Because I'm not, not that there's anything wrong with that.
	I got there early because I was forced to.
	And so for someone like Gina Carano, who obviously runs into the same weird, miserable, Routine, like, pushback from this, like, hyper-masc, hyper-fem society.
	Because I've had to sit back and watch this happen the whole time.
	Whenever I was a kid, it was like, you know, it was grunge and everyone looked genderless and identical.
	Everyone was just a blob, right?
	Whenever I was a kid.
	And I was like, okay, this is, like, fine.
	And as I watched this society fucking get more extreme due to capitalism and, like, Ads are designed to make you feel ugly and bad, and it's so much easier to polarize, like, if you're polarizing the genders, which is this, like, active, like, capitalist process that has happened over time, and I'm, like, watching this all just like, all of you motherfuckers are so crazy!
	Please stop!
	Oh, you're only gonna get worse?
	Great, thanks!
	We're letting you know.
	For anyone unclear what we're talking about here, I know, I know at least someone in our audience has had alpha male shit marketed to them through social media.
	Oh!
	It's unstoppable.
	Find a male looking, if you've never seen one, Ask a male person or a male presenting person just to take a look at their feed on Instagram or whatever.
	Ooh, just scroll that puppy.
	Especially if you start blocking ads.
	We've been doing that lately.
	If you like start, not like reporting ads, but just like blocking the accounts.
	It gets batshit so fast.
	It gets like, it's like crypto fitness, alpha, so fast.
	Yeah.
	It's fucking hatchets.
	You know, it's like, what, what is going on?
	Why am I, why am I getting this shit marketed to me?
	They're not selling an item.
	They're, they're coaching coaches.
	Like, that's the thing is like, they're not selling anything.
	It's incredible.
	But right.
	Like, it's like, Oh God, if I was ever, if I was marketed an item off, pinch me like that's ridiculous.
	It's just of all the people, because I know, I know, like, The only other, I've had one friend who's kind of like my, very much my counterpart, similar build, similar height, heavily, you know, like kind of modified person and is also like kind of androgynous.
	I'd say more on the androgynous spectrum whenever it was Harrison than me.
	I think that someone is like, I'm not androgynous.
	Through no fault of my own.
	I just don't really have a choice.
	And so, like, you know, I'm in my vehicle.
	I don't really get to choose, necessarily.
	And I'm not trying to do surgeries.
	But like, one other friend, like, just, you can be a certain type of way.
	And it makes people angry.
	Like, there are people, and this is before Trump, this is like, you're out at a bar, you're out in public, you're at a restaurant, and like, something about your, like, Presence of being large, like you're a target.
	Cause the thing, I also don't know what's going on in their mind, the people that do this, but like, it just activates crazy in people in like a very specific way.
	And it's like, it is, it's like, It's like hollering at somebody.
	It's street harassment.
	It's Karen shit.
	It's like this weird miasma that like does not affect a lot of people.
	And when my friends are around to witness it, they're like, what the fuck just happened?
	I'm like, it's a Tuesday.
	I don't know.
	Like I set off a nut job sensor in people's brains and I don't like, I'm really not.
	But also I'm fucking awesome at handling it now.
	And I'll tell you what, strangulation is not one of my options.
	That's not the go-to.
	No, no, nor should it be.
	It's illegal also.
	She should have that kind of like at least a notion of that solidarity and that like intersectionality because I promise what she described was like that was like the start of that kind of like schizophrenia story rang completely true to me.
	Completely true.
	Like, yeah, you're just, like, you're the biggest, sparkliest, you know, like, you're just, you're the biggest, like, loudest thing.
	You're the brightest sign, and I don't know why, it just happens.
	Like, I'm like, oh, I relate, I relate, I relate.
	What the fuck did you say?
	You know?
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	I've had, you know, kind of the AMAB equivalent, you know, of being like the biggest person.
	I've had people try and fight me simply because I'm the biggest person in the room.
	Tend to be, right, the biggest person.
	I'm just like, I'm just at a bar trying to get a drink.
	How can I help you, sir?
	This is a bizarre exchange that we're having here.
	Yeah, it like so profoundly has nothing to do with you.
	Like, oh, I'm just existing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Your day has led you to wanting to pick a fight.
	Yes.
	And I'm here.
	I'm like, so it's it fucking sucks.
	I'm so used to it.
	Like I, I absolutely am like, extremely paranoid and guarded.
	And I have like, I have, I'm My brain has not handled the things that happened to me that well, and I'm doing my best, but there's also a degree of like, yeah man, the terrorist won on this one.
	It makes me so much more sensitive and so much more aware.
	That's the specific bone to pick I have, and it blows my fucking mind when I hear the opposite.
	Because even just hearing, like, Hearing how people describe her, thinking they're giving her a compliment, it's like, oh, she's, I mean, she's Gina, but she's so feminine, is like saying, oh, well, no, but that black man's so articulate.
	Right, right.
	You're telling on yourself!
	And if she didn't want to have a curly blowout and wear makeup and fake lashes and dress up, what if that made you uncomfortable?
	What if you couldn't afford it?
	What if you couldn't afford to make your body and face and everything?
	The thing is, we're all raised in this society, so who fucking knows what you want to look like and what you don't want to look like?
	Especially, like, she seems particularly un-self-aware, so I can't imagine she's ever even considered why she wants to look extra girly but still, like, have a build of, like, a muscular, like, have, like, a muscular build.
	It's, like, she's, she's, like, she's not a fridge, she's a mini-fridge, like, and that's, Pretty stacked.
	The people that are fighting for you to have more safety in the world is not the team you are on right now.
	Bar none.
	Done.
	Game, set, match.
	And no amount of coach purses are going to change that.
	No kidding.
	No kidding.
	Like, it just, it fucking, like, it fucking blows my mind and it's that very specific, like, I'm gonna always, it's, it's, it's a force multiplier on me being mad at you about this because, like, you have every reason to understand exactly, like, not even exactly, have an inkling of what trans people go through.
	Yeah yeah yeah and what what kills me about that one especially is that like Lucasfilm and Pedro Pascal like they very clearly put a lot of effort into trying to stop her from going down this road a lot of effort into like no no let's help you understand maybe you just don't understand so we'll we'll help you you know Kind of see where we're coming from with all this stuff, you know, as to why, you know, putting pronouns on your profile regardless of your gender is an important thing to normalize it, you know, etc, etc, right?
	Well, let's have all these conversations and we'll try and rescue you from yourself and- Oh no, you threw it back in her face.
	Okay.
	That's, you know, what do you do from there?
	What are the options?
	Well, it's just, like, thoughts are bouncing off.
	They're not soaking in, and they're just kind of bouncing off.
	That seems consistent.
	Considering what she thinks is interesting, or compelling in any way, I think maybe she sits on a different wavelength.
	They should have told a story about a tag in a bag, right?
	That's what they should have done, and then they would have gotten through to her, because that's an interesting story.
	Oh my god.
	Yeah, also you have no reason to be this way, you just are.
	Especially boring.
	Like, at least give me your villain moment.
	Like a real one.
	Because she left the middle out of that one!
	Yeah.
	She was like, cancelled, own house, own my own bed.
	Tell me the middle!
	Tell me the middle!
	There's stuff that happened that you left out, and it was the interesting stuff.
	To fight boredom, I am opening myself up to offer you empathy.
	And instead, you refuse my generosity and throw it in my face like so much pocket sand.
	Like, just...
	I like so much education about trans stuff.
	She's like, oh no, JK, go fuck yourself.
	How about go fuck yourself?
	Would you like that instead of like a story you could potentially care about?
	Like, I want to think she's complicated.
	You know, like, that's the thing.
	It's like, why we cover people?
	Why we talk about Russell?
	You're dumb.
	Stop it.
	Period.
	Is not a compelling story!
	That's not what we're looking for.
	It's not interesting.
	And I wouldn't have covered this if she didn't go in so many bizarre directions and also just like...
	Why is Russell talking to her in the first place?
	When was she, you know, it's just the lawsuit, that's definitely, that happened recently, so that's it.
	But I'm like, otherwise, this person, there's no riz, there's not a great degree of relevance, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, I think there is like a, you know, there is a class solidarity in being rich and famous, Sure.
	And if she thinks that surviving cancer is the same as surviving quote-unquote rape allegations...
	Maybe her people.
	I don't know.
	It's a broken brain.
	That's a lot.
	And obviously, you know, Russell wants to talk about getting cancelled a lot.
	So, you know, that's a dream for him.
	Right.
	Yeah, that would be the motivation.
	But like, they didn't even bitch that much about being cancelled in that way.
	Like, because she doesn't have any juice.
	He can't riff.
	Yeah, no, no.
	There's more complaining Russell did that I cut out because it was more of the same stuff that we've heard dozens of times.
	But yeah, no, you're right.
	If your scene partner's not bringing it, what are you supposed to do in an improv situation?
	There's only so much you can do.
	And I think that's what we learned today.
	You're a beautiful communicator.
	That was fucking awesome.
	But also, gem.
	Yes.
	Chef Kiss.
	Delightful.
	Thank you, Russell, for that redemption.
	But yeah, and also, we know, check your Comic-Con rosters.
	Look at the map.
	Nowhere to avoid.
	Fortunately, there's a schedule.
	Cosplay a character that wears a mask.
	And yes, yes, stay out of there.
	Oh boy.
	Oh boy.
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