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June 6, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #59 - Dave Rubin

The first interview of Florida week is none other than Dave Rubin, the former Young Turk and former LGBTQ+ advocate who now spends his time being a bigot for profit. Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - reallivegoldrighthere

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	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
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	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
	Win win win win win win win This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one, Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand's Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, co-host Lauren B. And I am the host that does not know what we will be getting into today, but it's usually kind of banned.
	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Nothing!
	Nothing at all!
	If you're watching, the precious few that are watching, I have the same camera this week.
	Same cameras in the clips that start the show.
	Same light that I usually have.
	No nos, I'm gone again.
	I'm so sorry if you're listeners and you've never seen this fucking struggle with this, like, not the cheapest, shittiest camera that does, I've seen it work for other people.
	I've seen it work for me.
	So, that's not true.
	I have a good thing.
	And it's my strawberry plants.
	That's what's actually, oh, wait, hold on.
	Hold on, hold on, wait.
	Oh, oh!
	I'll narrate, because I got to go back to the fridge.
	Oh!
	Strawberries!
	Oh!
	Wild strawberries have appeared!
	Well, homegrown strawberries have appeared.
	For those listening, big plate of juicy looking strawberries.
	Delightful.
	Cool, very cool.
	Yeah, they've matured and they're finally making some berries like you'd buy at the store.
	Mostly still, they look like little weird freaks, but they taste good.
	Yeah, I bet.
	It's a lot of work because it takes several years for berry plants to mature and actually produce.
	That's like pretty tight.
	That's that's awesome.
	Homegrown strawberries are delish.
	What's what's your what's your method of consumption?
	Do you just do you just eat them?
	Just housing?
	Yeah, housing.
	Yeah, as much like, you know, I mean, there's um, Harvesting's tough and there's plenty that kind of get a little rough around the edges.
	So it's like a quick, you kind of have to like, it's a quick turnaround because they're not, they're not supermarket strawberries.
	So they're, they're, they act different.
	I'm gonna, I might have to make some jam.
	Nice.
	Because there's a bunch.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, that's, I'm pretty fucking proud of myself.
	As you should be, that's excellent.
	I've discussed my garden struggles on this platform.
	Plagues, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Corn, this is the corn saga.
	The corn slash rat saga.
	I was gonna say, yeah, plagues of rats.
	It's not the corn's fault, it's the rat's fault.
	Um, but yeah, that's kind of what, um, sort of what I'm, uh, so having a success is really, really good.
	Having a win.
	And finding, yeah, finding something that animals won't devour and shit out in front of me while giving me the bird, like, is, is tight.
	Happy days.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Good stuff.
	So what's your good thing?
	My good thing is that, well, I don't know if you've been paying attention, but we've been doing this for a little over a year now.
	I have, in fact, been paying attention.
	I do show up every week, so I'm aware.
	You do, you do, I'm sure.
	So, happy Pod-iversary!
	I've been I've been kind of thinking about this it's it's um in in many ways it definitely feels like a year in many ways it's gone very quickly a lot has happened um and yeah there's just there's been a lot that I've been kind of reflecting on you know as to what we've learned thus far And it's definitely wildly different from where we started, that's for sure.
	Sure, yeah.
	I guess I don't necessarily feel that, but also the reason I'm here is I have a different perspective.
	Very true!
	Very true!
	Maybe I had a sixth sense as to what to expect from this person.
	Maybe.
	Maybe, yeah, yeah.
	No, just thinking back to the first episode, you know, where you got Gareth Roy, you know, and talking about bullshit and fashion and that kind of thing.
	Man, those were some heady days.
	Simpler times, you know, pre-allegations, etc.
	And yeah, it's been an interesting, wild little ride of ours.
	And I'm happy to see it continue and that we've come this far.
	It's an achievement.
	I'm proud that we are here today.
	We have continued.
	To arrive.
	Yes.
	Yes!
	We are still here!
	We're still here.
	Continue to arrive weekly.
	Absolutely.
	A corporeal or non-corporeal state, yes.
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	And this week Lauren delivered a part two on Christian Zionism and colonial projects and what doing the work actually looks like.
	Well, I said the things.
	And it was a little bit like kind of piecemeal as far as I wasn't really planning on a part two.
	So I hope it's cohesive, or at least kind of makes sense as to where I was going.
	Because I think it's a lot of stuff that I found interesting that helped me kind of get it like flesh out the whole picture a little better.
	And yeah, I think I mean, I feel like our stance is already pretty clear.
	So yeah, But yeah, stuff that I found that was really helpful.
	And I specifically linked some links to other videos.
	Links to links.
	Girl, okay.
	Yes, there are sources.
	There are other videos that are really, not just my regular old sources, but also things that as soon as... One of those things where you are researching and you're like, okay, I have my...
	My subject and I'm good to go and then you find a whole other kind of like can of worms at the very end.
	Yeah.
	Which is about like the surveillance state in Israel and I think that we talk about it a lot.
	As far as like my media diet, we talk about it a lot.
	But actually watching the nuts and bolts of how this surveillance, like this very modern, cutting-edge surveillance works, which makes it even more infuriating that my stupid camera can't function, but somehow all the surveillance cameras are perfect and come in crystal clear.
	What are we doing?
	What are we doing making lenses in these days?
	Anyway.
	I'm trying to add levity because it's a bummer, but yeah, it's not that much of a bummer.
	It's really interesting and it's something that affects absolutely every single one of us.
	This affects all of us.
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	Yeah!
	Very exciting.
	So, this week has seen Russell being fully on his work vacation in Florida, so the content he's been uploading has been mostly pre-recorded editorials, a couple of conspiracy theory to conspiracy fact videos with things we've already covered, and one hastily mashed together compilation of his recent interviews with Tulsi Gabbard, Mike Benz, and Steve Bannon.
	Essentially, we've been in full rebroadcast mode, and in 90s sitcom terms, it's been like a week of clip shows, basically.
	There are, however, a couple of things worth mentioning.
	First is that Russell has not yet made a single mention on his show about the British general election.
	Um, given that he lives here, that is strange.
	Feels a bit weird.
	It was called a week ago.
	Um, and, uh, you know, one might think, ah, he's been busy with all this Florida stuff and doesn't have time to do, you know, an emergency broadcast situation, except that he 100% did do an emergency editorial from his hotel room when the verdict from the Trump trial was handed down.
	Um, because of course.
	Yeah.
	So then, you know what?
	I get it.
	Yep.
	That's actually very congruous.
	It's very clear which way the bread is buttered.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	For reference, with the general election, there was the first kind of major poll was done, and the polls over here aren't quite as crazy as they can be in the States, but at this point they're predicting- Do they matter?
	Do they matter there?
	I'm interested.
	Much more so, anyway.
	And at this point they're predicting a Labour landslide with major third party gains as well over here.
	So it'll be interesting to see where Russell lands on this whole thing if he ever decides to talk about it.
	The other thing worth noting is that Community Festival 2024 has been quietly postponed by a year to 2025.
	I have been.
	Oh, listen, because I can't.
	I don't I don't need to.
	Like, obviously, I have to kind of stay away from his actual content.
	I have been trying.
	I just been checking on the regular.
	You're like, what is going to happen with the community festival?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that piqued my interest.
	Yeah, he's made no mention of it anywhere, no announcements, no nothing, nothing on social media, nothing on the community festival page itself.
	Frustratingly, I know.
	No notification whatsoever that this had happened.
	I had to go actively searching for it.
	But yeah, and apparently the first three tiers of the 2025 kind of thing have have sold out, you know, and so now you can buy tickets for 200 quid or something a pop.
	But I get the feeling that they might have just kind of left the original ticket still valid.
	Anyway, the 2025 location is still TBC, still to be confirmed, so I'm quietly kind of hoping he won't be invading my country again with it, but we shall see.
	We shall see.
	All very, very interesting.
	Anyway, as mentioned, Russell's content has been largely a desert, which has led instead to a quick turnaround on today's show, which was taken from Russell's broadcast yesterday.
	That is right, we are getting into Florida week, with the first interview that Russell has done with one of the many people in Florida that he could talk to.
	It's someone that has been on Russell's show before, but someone that we've not actually covered yet.
	As ever, let's let Russell introduce them.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me for a very special edition of Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	As you can plainly see, I'm on the set of the Rubin Report.
	In fact, I'm looking at Dave trying to leave the room now while I'm doing my opening link.
	We've got an incredible show.
	Wouldn't it be amazing if I didn't interview Dave Rubin?
	Well plainly in Dave Rubin and the Rubin Report's fantastic homestead.
	I'm going to be talking to Dave about American culture.
	Of course we're talking about the Trump verdict.
	We're talking about how to heal the fractures that are appearing across the right and whether or not we can all unify in our opposition towards globalist centralised authority.
	My guess is probably not.
	So yeah, Dave Rubin is who Russell will be talking to this week in Dave's studio for the Rubin Report.
	Yeah, something did strike me about this episode as being different.
	It took me a minute to put my finger on it.
	It's that I'm not all that used to Russell being in the same room as the people he's interviewing.
	Anymore, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	We've only really dealt with like a couple of episodes of that with Tucker, one with Rainn Wilson, one with Richard Dawkins, and that's kind of about it.
	And the effect, of course, is that Russell is unable to switch the guest's mic off like he does when interviewing digitally.
	Right.
	Yes, pre-post allegations.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly right.
	So, you know, we have another former young Turk here, much like Jimmy Dore, formerly a comedian, formerly apparently progressive, former LGBTQ plus rights advocate who now spends all of his time shitting on the trans community for money, Dave Rubin!
	Yeah, I'd love to say he's an interesting character.
	He's really not, but he is convoluted at best.
	His turn was a while back in 2017 when he produced a video with PragerU called Why I Left the Left.
	And his reasoning was pretty much free speech, wokeism, and from here he went from calling himself a progressive, to then a classical liberal, to then a libertarian, to then finally peeling the mask all the way off and calling himself a conservative.
	Naturally, to go along with this, he's now a former atheist as well, citing Jordan Peterson as the reason he's now got a bit of a Christian bent to him.
	Yeah, well, apparently he spent a year on tour with Jordan Peterson around, I can't remember whether it was around the world or just around the country, but that had an effect of making him a Christian, which I think it would have a different effect on me, but there we are.
	Well, you know, though, Jordan Peterson, I think for a person like a Jordan Peterson, like Dave Rubin, his version is probably very advantageous.
	I don't know if we would recognize it as the Christianity that we all kind of commonly understand, but I bet he likes that brand just fine.
	I bet that, you know what, that checks out to me.
	Sure.
	It certainly serves a purpose, at the very least.
	Anyway, all of this together means that Dave Rubin can now say awesome things like, quote, there is no significant racism in the United States, unquote, and, uh, quote, if I found out a teacher talked to my six-year-old about gender or sexuality, I might kill that person, unquote.
	Just swell to hear that from a gay man living with his husband and kids.
	On that note, since 2022 he has been the subject of criticism from his own audience, largely in response to his announcement that he and his husband were having two children via surrogacy.
	This overwhelmingly right-wing audience has vocally expressed opposition to both same-sex marriage and same-sex parenting.
	And yeah, I for one do not feel even the tiniest bit bad for Dave Rubin.
	Yeah, they're trying to ban IVF.
	Which, guess who was warning them the whole time?
	They're gonna ban IVF.
	They're gonna ban contraceptives.
	And the blissfully unaware among us are like, no way, that's crazy!
	Do we all understand that's not a limit anymore?
	The extremity of their, the batshittery that comes out of their mouths and how batshit it in fact is has no bearing on whether or not it's gonna happen or at least gonna try.
	Yeah.
	Are we at least on that page?
	I hope we are.
	I hope we're at the very least getting there, you know?
	It was a few years ago I heard the idea that, you know, once Roe v. Wade was overturned they'd be coming for contraceptives next, and I was like, huh, that seems a little wild.
	And then the more I learned about it, I was like, huh, that seems probable.
	Okay, cool.
	You never heard anybody speak in tongues at church, is why.
	See?
	Yeah, right.
	You never heard of Shamala, Hamala, and Ernest.
	That is what will convince you like, oh, all bets are off.
	They've done been off.
	The bet switch was flipped quite some time ago.
	That's the difference.
	Yeah, it's entirely different realities.
	I think that's fair to say.
	Yeah, and one final piece on Rubin.
	I'm just gonna read something I enjoyed from his Wikipedia, because you know I love salty Wikipedia contributions.
	Quote, Rubin has often been described as less intelligent than his counterparts.
	Podcast host Joe Rogan once described him as a wounded antelope, and several political commentators have referred to him as dumb or stupid.
	Unquote.
	If Joe Rogan's calling you dumb, you're in trouble, right?
	That's the listicle I want, though.
	Because it can't be that long.
	No.
	It's like, pundits, Rogan has called dumb.
	Where is that?
	That's why we need crack.com to not die a horrible death.
	That's the listicle I want.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Oh, dear.
	Oh, wow.
	Anyway, that's enough about Dave Rubin.
	So let's get into the first topic of the interview, which is quite naturally the Trump trial verdict.
	Dave, we appear to be at a pivotal moment of transition where our trust in institutions of authority is falling apart.
	We need only look at what appears to be a seismic event, the verdict in the Trump trial, 34 convictions, Do you think it's possible or even likely that Trump will be jailed and do you think this will become a catalytic event in this what appears to be again the dissolution of America?
	Well, I now do think it's likely he will be drafted.
	I think it's almost impossible that he won't be, in a weird way, because think about it, so he gets 34.
	They got him on 34 of 34.
	Let's put aside whether any of it was legit, which I largely don't think it was, whether it was fixed because the DA was a Soros DA, and that they basically set up the entire system to get this guy, and it's on charges that no one else has been brought against, and all the rest.
	Put all of that aside.
	34 of 34 charges, right, they hit him with.
	And now the judge has until July 11th, and it's just up to the judge.
	The judge is the one that sets the sentencing.
	I did some checking on this because I was like, I think I know that, but I asked a couple of my friends who are legal scholars.
	It is simply up to the judge right now.
	So that one man can basically decide what to do.
	So he could basically say to Trump, okay, you know what?
	It was a while ago.
	You're running for president.
	It doesn't seem good for the country if we throw you in jail.
	So we'll just fine you or you can't do business in New York anymore or something like that.
	But I don't think he's going that route.
	They just presided over this thing for six weeks, eight weeks.
	And I think he's going to look at it and now think that he's the hero in the story.
	And how do we end Trump?
	We end Trump by putting him in jail.
	Even if you only put him in jail for two months, you know what I mean?
	Like you just do something that furthers the thing.
	Incisive political commentary there.
	The judge is going to do something that furthers the thing.
	I can't wait to hear how the insane coverage sounds.
	I've been hearing like logical measured coverage from experts.
	I can't wait to see how this turns out.
	I can't wait to hear two idiots bucking their heads together about it.
	I was just like, why ask Dave Rubin of all people about this?
	What the fuck does he know?
	You mean the Honorable Dave Rubin?
	How dare you?
	Right?
	So yeah, this conversation is already dumb, not least of all because of a little thing called sentencing guidelines.
	And, you know, there is plenty of precedent to determine what an appropriate sentence would be for Donald Trump.
	Like, ultimately, he's an old man with no criminal record, so, like, odds are pretty good on a fine and or probation.
	It's unlikely he'll be placed under house arrest, for instance, and extremely unlikely he'll end up in prison.
	And literally any lawyer who is not actively lying to you will tell you the same thing on that score.
	Of course.
	And that's been the coverage.
	It's like, that's definitely not going to happen.
	And also, they don't want it.
	There's a reason that we don't have a mugshot.
	And they had to AI a mugshot.
	Yes.
	Because they're not stupid.
	Yeah, we don't want to give them a chance.
	OK, I just said two days.
	The DA is not stupid.
	The legal system is not stupid to give him this martyr status.
	Someone in the Trump camp is also not stupid to whip up an AI t-shirt real quick.
	However, like, based on Ruben's complaints here, his actual complaints, the conversation that should be happening is, does the judiciary in the United States wield too much power?
	And on that one, you can say, well, yeah, it fucking does, from the bottom to the top!
	But obviously, that's not a conversation that Ruben wants to be having, because the injustices carried out throughout the judiciary are overwhelmingly against people of colour in the US, and Dave Rubin is a staunch defender of the white Christian male.
	So let's skirt around that conversation and be like, yeah, this judge is just corrupt.
	It's this one judge.
	It's not the entire judicial system at all.
	Okay.
	Okay, Dave.
	So we're going to push forward.
	And here, Ruben, let's slip a little update about Russell, actually.
	Like, for all the stuff that you and I talk about that we're trying to make the world a little bit better or make people understand this stuff a little bit to the extent that we can, it's like, the stuff pretty much gets worse all the time, right?
	Like, not everywhere.
	In some places it doesn't.
	You said to me right before we started that you were thinking about moving to Florida.
	It's like, it's working here on a day-to-day basis.
	That's why everyone that comes into my studio here, they say the same exact thing.
	I'm thinking about moving to Florida.
	The thing can work.
	Oh, so Russell is thinking about moving to Florida.
	No, he's not.
	No, he's not.
	Right.
	No, he's not.
	So, I mean, if that did occur, I wouldn't be terribly surprised, though you may have noticed there was an edit right there, there was a little edit point, and I'd like to think the part that was cut out was in fact Russell googling whether the US has an extradition treaty with the UK, which of course we do.
	I bet he's already well aware.
	Well versed in this.
	I bet he's extremely aware.
	Yes, and this subject does come back up a little bit later.
	But yeah, this could just as easily have been Russell both muting out loud as he has wanted to do and just being polite.
	Like, oh yeah, I've thought about moving here, you know.
	That's exactly, yeah.
	Like, oh my god, it's great, I should move here.
	That's someone being nice.
	Let's all be nice and maybe not take everything at face value.
	How about that?
	Exactly.
	Friendliness is fine.
	Nice swamp you've got here.
	Yes, exactly, right.
	Anyway, Reuben uses this as a jumping off point to tout the greatness of Florida in all the awful ways that you might predict.
	But largely the system has just been getting worse and worse and worse.
	And I think at this point, because there's been, maybe you can think of one, I can't think of one, one moment in the last couple years as it's pertained to all the big stories, where suddenly things got a lot better.
	You know what I mean?
	Where we didn't just continue on that path of, oh, everyone's so crazy, right?
	Everyone every day.
	It's so crazy.
	How's the news?
	It's so crazy.
	It's nuts.
	And then it's like, two weeks later, it's nuttier.
	It's never like, oh, it did sort of get back to normalcy.
	We stopped pretending that boys are girls or whatever the other things are.
	Now, there are pockets where that is happening properly.
	Again, this place where we kicked a lot of the woke stuff out of schools and everything else.
	But at a national or even I guess global sense, it seems to the energy is just the
	entropy of it is that it'll get worse and worse. So this it seems to me that the story of Trump,
	like you've been talking about your own story and your own journey and all that, that the story he's
	on is now he is going to end up in jail.
	I don't know what that does to the political part of all of this.
	I sense it's going to rightfully enrage a whole bunch of people, and I don't know where that puts us as a country.
	And as you said before, half the people believe one thing, half the people believe another thing.
	How do we arbitrage those situations?
	Yeah, so his prediction seems to be even if not in this case, eventually Trump will end up in prison in one way or another.
	And in a broader sense, certainly seems possible.
	The man is a criminal.
	So, you know, odds are at least even on that score.
	Of course, he would still run for president even from prison, so who knows what kind of difference it would actually make even then.
	Anyway, Florida's great because it shits on trans people and actively tries to kill them.
	Woo!
	This is going to be a recurring theme for anyone sensitive to the subject, by the way.
	He just keeps bringing it back up.
	Just has to keep coming back to it.
	No income tax is why.
	No income tax is why people move there.
	Especially these types of people that can afford to avoid, for the most part, what your income tax would do for your society.
	Yeah.
	That's why they make these weird little pods of village that are ruled by petty tyrants and an HOA, and you can just purchase your little spot that, yeah, that's ink and text.
	No ink and text.
	That's why.
	Yeah, the whole thing's pretty gross from start to finish.
	In addition to ideological rot.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So next, There's a bit of whistling all throughout the back of this clip.
	But I see almost no way around it.
	And the other part, I don't know if you know this, but when they appeal this thing, it gets appealed to the Supreme Court of New York, obviously not to the Supreme Court of the United States.
	The Supreme Court of New York has five black female judges.
	Now I don't judge anyone based on the color of their skin or on their gender.
	However, it is virtually, someone ran the numbers on this and one of my guys can correct me, it's virtually impossible statistically to have a court makeup of five black women.
	You know what I mean?
	So DEI and diversity did get these women, at least some of them, the job.
	So then you have to think, did they all kind of think the same thing?
	And did they think judicially the same thing?
	And did they all kind of think the same thing about Trump?
	And what a horrible thing to have to think about that just because of someone's skin color and gender that, but so you can basically assume that if it, when it gets to appeal, cause they're obviously going to appeal it, the appeal will be denied.
	And then you can basically assume that the judge, um, is going to throw him in jail.
	And by the way, I hope I'm wrong about all of that.
	I hope someone will watch this in two months and be like, ah, Rubin really screwed that one up.
	That'll be me in two months time.
	So yeah, all black people, all black women specifically, maybe they feel and think all the same things.
	That's what we've learned today.
	People that look the same are a monolith.
	Yes, exactly.
	And what a horrible thing to have to think about.
	How dare this situation even exist for me to have to think about it?
	And I do want to point out the insidiousness of him saying like, oh, well, DEI is what got these judges appointed.
	And that ties in with the narrative that, oh, well, if someone gets appointed because of DEI, then it's not because they're qualified for the job.
	So maybe these judges aren't qualified to be there.
	They're just there because they're black and they're women.
	There's proof if you want to prove that they were not qualified or were Somehow chosen unfairly.
	You want to bring that lawsuit?
	You can.
	Sure, bring it.
	You can file that complaint.
	Do you really want to do that?
	Do we want to discuss the bias that it would be if it was five old white guys?
	Somehow that's not an issue!
	Do you really want proportionate representation?
	I love that.
	I love it.
	Is that what we're advocating for?
	Hell yeah!
	Let's party!
	I'm not sure that's what he wants.
	In the interest of showing the full picture, Russell does briefly push back on this point.
	Visibly the Supreme Court point, I suppose the argument that has been made out of progressivism is that if there's five white men in their 60s that are presumably heterosexual, that you could make a comparable argument, although demographically it's different because of the makeup of the country.
	Aside from that small point... Sure, but we can play that out a little bit.
	Aside from that small point that, hey, maybe old straight white men are not and should not be the default in any situation, sure, we can talk about this.
	And that they have been.
	Yes, and have been.
	They have been.
	And still are.
	Trump was pretty activist in making sure that that remains the case.
	So, yeah.
	I thought there were a couple of times he pushes back towards Dave on a couple of these things, and it is nice to see from someone who is, yeah, pretty actively hateful.
	Now, from here, Russell promptly changes the subject, and we then get to Dave Rubin talking about speech.
	But if you think about the things that you've been censored for, why did we both end up working with Rumble?
	I mean, why did I create locals that ultimately merged with Rumble?
	Why did you, when you started talking about this stuff more and being more outwardly, being more outward about your political views, why did you go towards Rumble?
	It was because of free speech, was it?
	Because You were saying anything crazy?
	Were you saying anything racist or bigoted or anything else?
	Why did you just spend a year of your life being attacked by a system?
	Why did the system look at you and be like, I've got to attack him?
	Well, it was because you were saying true things, right?
	I mean, it's not much more complex than that.
	To whatever extent that I've been saying true things, it's the same story, and it's obviously not just us.
	I mean, the picture that you pointed out that we keep from the New York Times right there, that's a front page, Sunday New York Times, where they called me and Jordan Peterson and Milton Friedman and Ben Shapiro and a couple other people, Thomas Sowell, the heads of the alt-right.
	So I love that right there, because it shows what fabricated nonsense they've been throwing at us forever.
	That's not why you love that.
	That's not why you love that.
	You love that because it makes you feel like the big man, Dave Rubin.
	Oh yeah, I've got that there because it's crazy, not because it totally strokes my ego and says that I'm important.
	Yeah, neither Dave Rubin nor Russell have been saying true things and Russell very obviously has not been attacked by the media.
	He's been covered by the media for things he has said and done.
	So, there we are.
	As for why Dave Rubin created Locals and then later sold it to Rumble, until 2018 he received about 10 grand a month from Patreon donations, right?
	And then Sargon of Akkad got banned from Patreon for violating the site's rules on hate speech by using racial and homophobic slurs to degrade another individual.
	Something that was apparently pretty frequent in his content.
	In response to that, Sam Harris, Jordan Peterson, and Dave Rubin then boycotted Patreon as a response, with Jordan Peterson creating ThinkSpot, and Rubin creating Locals.
	So, it wasn't so much a free speech issue, so much as a freedom from consequences issue for these little snowflakes, so they made these things instead.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh, anyway, from here, Rubin starts talking about Rumble defeating Google, um, and, uh, he and Russell kind of overcoming the legacy media.
	But any thinking person knows that we, and this goes to what we were talking about before, that tension between old world and new world, we've been given all these unbelievably powerful tools.
	We have the freaking world in our pocket.
	Everyone is walking around with that.
	Everyone that you know is walking around with that phone in their pocket and can get access to everything good and bad like that.
	That is an unbelievable power.
	But with, you know, if I could quote Uncle Ben from Spider-Man, you know, with great power comes great responsibility.
	And I think the powers that be I've not been very responsible in how they deal with it.
	So I see more authoritarianism on the rise.
	But David B. Goliath, that's the last thing I'll say on it.
	David B. Goliath.
	So we will win.
	You know, the human spirit always wins.
	That's the point.
	The little guy can always beat the big guy.
	I fundamentally believe that.
	And for you, as you're having your, that's an Old Testament story, but you know, as you're having your journey, like that's fundamentally true.
	And if I didn't believe that, I don't know that I could do this.
	Because then it's like, can you beat Google?
	You can beat Google?
	What the hell are you talking about?
	It's crazy.
	In my read the Bible in a year daily analysis, it said, you know, with the David and Goliath story, sometimes you feel like it's so big, how can I win?
	But it must become, it's so big, how can I miss?
	In the end, you have to make that transition.
	I was thinking about- The Death Star had one little hole, and Luke figured it out.
	They've got to stop building them with that.
	Stupid, stupid.
	Why is everything a movie to these people?
	Several issues here.
	Fairy tales?
	Basing your strategy on fairy tales?
	Well, yeah, I mean, first up, if you're going to reference Spider-Man, you could at least name Stan Lee, you know, as he wrote.
	He wrote that comic, he wrote that specific phrasing of what had already been a millennia old concept anyway, but there we are.
	Um, great power comes great responsibility, etc.
	As for David beating Goliath, yeah, Rubin appears to be confusing biblical mythology and Star Wars with history, because Generally speaking, it doesn't seem to be how life works.
	You know, the little guy can always win.
	We need only look across the water to Gaza if we want a story of what actually happens when a powerful oppressor tries to kill the little guy.
	Or indeed, we can look at any basic telling of imperialism or colonialism.
	Perhaps, one might say, the story of how the United States came to be by using its Goliath might to slaughter indigenous populations would be an appropriate conversation to have.
	A practice which is still kind of, you know, partway occurring in America today in more roundabout means.
	Bullies in grade school!
	Bullies in grade school!
	The bigger guy beats the snot out of you.
	That's, that's usually what happens.
	I'd imagine at least Dave is a little familiar and potentially has a reason to feel some solidarity.
	And maybe that's why, that's why myths and pretending time is what's useful.
	Also beating Google.
	No one can beat Google.
	Google always wins.
	Yeah, that's the nature of monopolies.
	These enormous conglomerates.
	How is Rumble ever going to beat YouTube?
	It's not, is the short answer.
	That's what he thinks he's doing?
	That's what he's talking about, yeah.
	Rumble is going to beat YouTube.
	He's made a smaller, worse platform.
	And he thinks he's gonna beat Google.
	Or he has?
	He has or he thinks he's gonna?
	In the process of, I think, is the assessment.
	Okay.
	Yeah, yeah.
	More fairy tales is what we're talking about.
	Okay.
	Pretty much!
	Rumble is going to beat Google, Dave Rubin is going to be a truth teller, and fictional stories are now all accurate histories.
	Cool.
	Okay, cool.
	So now we inevitably get to what is an unavoidable subject among the alt-right.
	Like, here, from an American perspective, we've been watching about 7 or 10 million illegals come in in 3 years.
	Now, it doesn't matter, put aside skin color, put aside religion or anything else, any system, you can't just have an unlimited flood of people come into it, an unlimited flood, you just have no idea if 1% of these people are bad or what it's going to do to the system, right?
	But we had it happening, finally, because of online shows, people started waking up to it, and now it's a national topic.
	And suddenly, people are talking about it again, and saying, oh, we should have sovereign borders.
	So, that's a long, meandering way of saying that all of the stuff that sounds insane, that we're dealing with all the time, that boys can magically turn into girls, or that schools should be allowed to call children by different names without telling the parents, all this stuff that...
	No one in their right mind thinks is right, or that we should judge people by the color of their skin, because that's the way the entire DEI system works.
	Enough people, I think, now are getting to the point where they're ready to do something about it.
	That is an ominous statement.
	So yeah, apparently no one was talking about immigration until Dave Rubin and his ilk came along.
	That's incredible.
	That's incredible.
	Can I, perchance, Mr. Rubin, direct you to laws?
	Like, any number of laws that have existed?
	Newspapers?
	They did used to have newspapers.
	You can find out what people used to think and feel.
	Yeah, meat media for the last many centuries.
	Yes, it's been a topic since literally always.
	Now I feel bad.
	I feel like he hit his head and we're picking on someone who's got a disability.
	This is weird.
	The fun thing about this is like, what about Fox News?
	You know, pretty talking about it every single day.
	In video form, as a matter of fact.
	Yeah, he's been on Fox News this week.
	What are you doing?
	He was on Gutfeld, you know, and he's been on a bunch of other shit shows.
	That's new.
	That's because of him.
	Now they're talking about it.
	Right.
	Of course.
	Silly me.
	Okay, so we're completely in fake-ville again.
	The hubris is just unimaginable.
	Anyway, because we believe that trans people are people, and that trans people very naturally face a lot of the greatest challenges with gender in childhood, We also believe that there is systemic racism within the U.S.
	that needs addressing.
	We are not in our right minds.
	We shouldn't be focusing on skin color regardless how much more likely you are to be killed because of how brown you might be.
	Talking about that would be crazy.
	Talking about like, oh, it doesn't matter your skin color, it doesn't matter your religion, except for, insert xenophobic.
	And then immediately that's what you're talking about.
	Immediately that's what you're talking about.
	For real.
	Yeah, but even if you take that out of it, it's a pretty, yeah.
	I bet not.
	I bet not.
	Let's not take that out of it.
	Let's never take that out.
	How about that?
	Seems kind of inextricable to me.
	So for this next clip, I'm going to do something I've not done before.
	I've got no notes, really, because what Dave Rubin is about to talk about is an exclusively American perspective, something on which I really can't comment because I've not lived there.
	So I'm hoping, Lauren, you'll be able to fill me in with your American perspective in Chicago to help address whether Dave Rubin is correct in this next clip.
	Will they do something about it?
	I don't know.
	Will it be national?
	Will it be worldwide?
	I don't know.
	And the challenges, by the way, will be very different in every country.
	One of the beautiful things about America is that we have integrated everybody way better, even than the UK.
	We have integrated everybody from every part of the world to put aside their ancient hatreds and be part of the melting pot here.
	It's fraying a little bit right now.
	It really is.
	You can feel it.
	But I do believe that if we could just sell freedom properly, Which we used to do.
	America in the 80s sold freedom.
	Doesn't mean we did everything perfectly.
	But Reagan knew how to sell the idea of freedom.
	That's the thing that unites all of us.
	So, it's a long way of saying there's a lot of bad stuff happening, but the bad stuff leads to the wake up and maybe we're on our way.
	So, is America a melting pot that's been perfectly integrated, even better than the UK?
	And do we need Reagan's version of selling freedom to come back?
	I mean, he didn't say perfect.
	He didn't say anything good or correct.
	But he didn't say perfect.
	We don't need to change what he said.
	It was bad on its own.
	Also, he just said the opposite thing.
	He just said the opposite.
	That we can't integrate, but then we're a perfect integratory melting pot.
	Integrated melting pot.
	Which one is it?
	I don't know that the American perspective was super important this one time.
	Also, guess how different my perspective is than Dave Rubin.
	Guess how different.
	We are, we have, might as well be a different species of person, and I probably have a much different experience than him, but race isn't a thing, but race is a thing.
	What?
	The thing is, genuinely, in my experience, and I know about this because even going to different parts of America and spending some time overseas, yeah, we are a lot more diverse.
	Especially in major metropolitan areas and population centers.
	Yeah, we are much more diverse.
	And it's awesome.
	It's extremely cool and good.
	It's good for your society to have diversity.
	And yeah, I don't think that there's a racism.
	There's American racism that's especially saber-rattly.
	Whereas, I will say, if you're from a more homogenous Society, which yeah, Europe, yes, depending on where you are.
	Certainly Scandinavia, which is the bulk of my experience.
	You don't even necessarily realize how racist you are until an American that grew up in a predominantly black city is like, y'all are fucked up.
	We don't say that stuff anymore.
	What are you doing?
	So yeah, that's a little different.
	There are some white areas of Europe, that's for sure.
	That's not... yes.
	So yeah, it's different, but not in any way he described.
	His description was the opposite right before.
	And I know I'm fucking up by listening to two different ideas that he said back to back.
	I know that's not like what he's intending.
	Well, it does feel somewhat contradictory, you know, saying how awful immigration is and that people shouldn't be allowed into the country, while also saying how much you love America being a melting pot of different cultures.
	That being our strength, in fact.
	Yeah, it does feel like you kind of don't get one without the other, you know?
	Just, that's how it feels to me.
	It is confusing.
	Fuck me for actually listening to all the stuff you said, though.
	I know, I know, right?
	I know.
	That's on me.
	Now, here Russell brings up a little of what we were discussing last week.
	So, if people are saying that, you know, the reason for immigration is either economic, we need the labour, or, you know, a duty that America or Western countries have because of their colonial or imperial past, if that is not the reason, do you ever entertain some of the, you know, for example, displacement theory that is about sort of providing alternative labour, or I've even heard the ideas that seem Pretty extraordinary that fight in age males are being imported in large numbers and that there could be some almost insurrectionist event.
	And also if you start there, these are the kind of things that will get you dubbed or right.
	These are the kind of things that will get you a strike.
	these are the kind of things that are, that way you feel adjacent to racism,
	although of course you wouldn't necessarily be, there would be a racial dynamic necessarily
	to those categories.
	So how do you assess that and what do you, if immigration isn't because of economic reasons
	or if the economic reasons have flooded the labor market?
	Well, I think very simply, if anyone in their right mind thinks what's going on
	on our border right now, where we just have floods of people,
	floods of people coming through, if you think that has something to do with the compassion,
	the compassion of the Democrats to make our workforce healthier,
	that's just like a psychotic notion.
	[BLANK_AUDIO]
	Make your workforce healthier?
	So, if you think allowing refugees into the country, you know, people seeking asylum from violent and awful conditions where their homes have been destroyed and they're likely to be killed, if you think allowing these people to come into the US has anything to do with compassion, well that's just a psychotic notion.
	The Statue of Liberty reads, give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
	Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me.
	I lift my lamp beside the golden door.
	But according to Dave Rubin, the message should actually be, fuck off back where you came from or I will hit you with this lamp.
	The message was clear!
	Don't come!
	She said don't come!
	Do not come!
	That was a very clear message.
	And, okay, let's be real, the Statue of Liberty was a spectacularly bitchy gag gift from France.
	From France, yeah.
	That, like, I live.
	Like, when we understand, like, who decided to sign that thing, and then put that up, and then that be a thing.
	Like, okay, yeah.
	Terrific.
	We've been not doing that the whole time.
	Yeah, that's kind of it.
	Gestures to legal code.
	Yeah, we haven't been.
	It'd be nice.
	It'd be nice.
	And also, I don't think that these people... Dave Rubin, I'm gesturing to my laptop like y'all can see me.
	Dave Rubin et al, right?
	They do not think about asylum seekers at all.
	And if they're in that problem, they are not confronted with that reality, and they will not confront that reality.
	Especially not to take it to the point where, oh, the U.S.
	probably made the problem in the first place, that they're fleeing.
	That is not something I've ever heard any of these yokels entertain.
	Ever.
	It's a separate issue.
	And they're the ones entering the legal... Oh, no, no, no, that is how they address it.
	They're like, no, the legal ones are okay.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's the asterisk at the end.
	I'm thinking back to Charlie Kirk, you know, invade the world, invite the world, you know, which, you know, that whole situation.
	But yeah, it's the asterisk over the legal.
	Legal is fine.
	That's not what I'm talking about.
	I'm talking about illegal.
	Because he said illegals.
	No person is illegal.
	No human being.
	He does keep talking about the illegals.
	And he also keeps circling back to trans talk to the point where it warranted an eye roll from me roughly every few minutes of the interview.
	You!
	Me!
	And even talking about immigration, he has to bring up trans people before we can actually get to whether he formally signs on to the Great Replacement Theory.
	It's interesting to me that you said that the COVID portion of compassion sort of allowed you to see the fakery around how they use compassion on other issues, too.
	Look, when it comes to the gender stuff, they do what Jordan calls the butchering, I mean, genital mutilation of young girls, tell them that they're boys under the guise of compassion.
	That doesn't seem very compassionate to me.
	What would be compassionate is if you had a 12-year-old who was, you know, confused or had issues around their gender identity, what would be compassionate would be to give them the proper psychological help or figure out what's going on at home and everything else.
	And then, I think you're probably aware I'm at on this, as an adult, if they wished to do something with their body and be called a certain way, they could.
	And by the way, if they then, as an adult, treated me with respect, I would treat them with respect and all of the rest of it.
	But as it pertains to immigration, I don't see how anyone could think that this is anything other than intentional, what's going on here.
	Okay, so ta-da, to the shock of none, Dave Rubin signs on to Great Replacement Theory.
	It's all intentional, orchestrated.
	Many racist and anti-Semitic dog whistles are sounding as we speak.
	As for his trans talk, I can't even begin to express why no one should ever hope to consider themselves informed on the issue if they're getting their information from Jordan Peterson.
	Firstly, Geordie Pete's bigoted, transphobic idiot.
	And secondly, as we've demonstrated many times, the man knows nothing of what he's talking about.
	He's always, always wrong.
	And we've proven it every single time we've had to deal with him, as have many others.
	It's very demonstrable that he is an idiot.
	Or just intentionally, willfully ignorant.
	Who fucking knows?
	He's not going to be suddenly right about trans issues, because of course he isn't.
	Children aren't having their genitals butchered.
	Delightful imagery.
	Not at all.
	Thank you for that.
	Not at all.
	Oh my god.
	That makes me so angry.
	To hear it, it's Kill Bill, Red, Siren.
	Instantly, it's tough.
	Because that's not It's happening!
	It's not happening. It's really not. Gender affirming surgery is in almost all cases not
	the advised medical route to be taken until someone is you know 18 sometimes older. These
	kids you know they do get counseling.
	Like, that is a thing that happens to help deal with dysphoria and everything else.
	And what most of them actually seem to want are things like puberty blockers and to have their pronouns respected and to not be marginalized by society and eventually killed by the state through malice or negligence.
	Reasonable things to me.
	Well, but if you're 16, if you're under the age of legal consent, your parents can sign off to you getting a boob job.
	You can get breast implants if you're a teenager.
	Oh, that's fucked up, isn't it?
	Jesus Christ.
	Did you not remember that?
	Did you not remember that?
	No, yeah.
	We're America.
	God bless America.
	You can marry a baby and give your child a brand new pair of tits.
	Yeah.
	That's the American perspective, my friend.
	Good old red, white, and blue.
	Good lord.
	Yeah, that's where we're at.
	That seems like a bigger concern than people getting gender-affirming surgery to me, but there we are.
	Or at least, let's call it what it is.
	Let's all call gender-affirming surgery what it is.
	Affirming surgery of any kind.
	Let's call it what it is.
	And he doesn't, like, what he is not acknowledging, even in his lie, which you clocked, of the, like, the, oh, well, if they make it to adulthood and then they make those choices, we want them to get to adulthood.
	That's why these medical interventions are in place for trans-identifying children, is to get to adulthood because they aren't.
	That's the problem.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And then don't go telling me, Dave Rubin, that you'll be respectful of them when they're an adult, because no, you fucking won't.
	You've proven that to be the case.
	You and all of your mates.
	What you're doing right now, sir, is how you behave.
	Don't tell me how you behave and then behave a different, how you would behave.
	No, no, no.
	How you're behaving is how you behave.
	Yep.
	Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining, sir.
	No.
	No.
	Every time.
	Every time.
	Anyway, back to the immigration talk, and Dave Rubin properly addresses the conspiracy theory that Naomi Wolf was advancing last week.
	As for the other part, that you said that they're bringing in a lot of fighting age, I mean, look, you only have to open your eyes.
	I don't think that's a crazy conspiracy theory.
	You watch these videos of people coming through.
	Why is it in crazy percentages, seemingly 25 year old to 40 year old
	men.
	Where are the women? Where is my great grandparents who came through Ellis Island
	from Eastern Europe with one bag and nothing else? And it was a woman and a man and a child.
	Like we rarely see any of that.
	So you only have to look at it, really, to think something bizarre is going on.
	There's a lot of reasons to think that China and Russia are just trying to flood our borders, and we'll have all sorts of domestic strife, and then we won't have our eye on the ball when it comes to, say, China invading Taiwan, or whatever Russia's doing in Ukraine.
	Like, there's just sort of a million things happening at once.
	Hot take on global politics.
	Lots of things happening at once.
	So, he seems to be on board with the conspiracy theory that millions of military men are coming into the country walking in lockstep with officers leading them, military haircuts, all wearing the same clothes, and are being housed at American airports.
	He's on board with, at the very least, the concept.
	Only his theory is that perhaps China and Russia are trying to destabilize us so they can get up to some shenanigans while we're not looking.
	Sources for this, none.
	For real though?
	Yeah, I don't need a source for this that I'm going to postulate, right?
	Because there are versions of this that are happening in geopolitics right now.
	China and Russia, if they know, if they have an agenda to make us look bad, They know, they just have to let us be.
	Us as America.
	They just gotta get out of our way.
	And then- Just let the toddler tire itself out.
	Exactly.
	We'll look like massive assholes.
	And I think to a degree, what I do, I have, there's been some reporting, I get little pieces of reporting every now and then when, in my media sphere, when someone kind of addresses this Russia, China, because there is, geopolitics are real.
	They do happen.
	Not in the ways that the people that managed to talk about it.
	I was like, They don't talk about it in realistic terms, but when people do talk about it in realistic terms, they are much smarter.
	They work smarter, not harder.
	And they just let America be America in the world.
	And I've said before, a whataboutism argument is not what I'm talking about.
	Americans have enough rope to hang themselves on the international stage, as we're watching right now.
	Pretty well practiced at it, it turns out.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, China and Russia, again, they're also kind of trying to run their own countries and stuff, and so they can just let America about.
	And they're like, well, maybe we could do less awful shit to point to.
	How about that?
	Could we do that?
	No?
	Okay.
	Would be nice.
	Would be nice.
	Yeah.
	And before I forget, as mentioned last week, the statistics in terms of gender coming in, it's pretty much 50-50.
	So there we are.
	And there are plenty of children.
	You need only look at pictures, videos, anything, any coverage at all, and you'll see them.
	They're there.
	They're right there.
	And younger and more able-bodied people can make the journey.
	Yes, exactly.
	Because it is a harrowing, dangerous, expensive, potentially fatal journey that people are making.
	Exactly that.
	Exactly that.
	Yeah, we're not quite done on the immigration talk just yet, and this next clip begins with a quote from a ghoul.
	But to me the immigration thing, well I'll put it this way, Andrew Breitbart used to say that politics is downstream from culture.
	I would say everything is downstream from immigration.
	Because if you don't just have a policy, have a policy, we can debate what the policy is, right?
	I don't know.
	We can let in a hundred thousand people a year.
	Here are the vetting processes.
	We want to be able to reunite families.
	You can come if you have a job promised to you or something else.
	But it's not compassion to let in two million people who have no connection here, don't speak the language, and then just put them on the dole, which the Democrats have largely done.
	And then literally in New York City, you have the Roosevelt Hotel,
	which was one of the most iconic hotels of New York, is now a sanctuary.
	It's an illegal immigrant center, basically.
	It's a migrant center right now.
	They literally have housekeeping.
	Can you believe that?
	They have housekeeping.
	So they have legal immigrants who now are doing housekeeping for illegals that are there.
	Is that compassionate to those people?
	Is that compassionate to the average person who lives in New York City, who's now paying for it?
	So the compassion argument, The left has really done that really well.
	I think it's why most people when they're young are lefties.
	It makes you feel good to think you can help everybody, and that you come from a place that did bad things, there's this unearned guilt, and you take all of those things together, and you end up with something very dangerous, which again, I'm glad people are kind of waking up to right now.
	Mm-hmm.
	Yeah, obviously, there is much immigration policy.
	Reams of it.
	Lots of it.
	And yeah, why don't we, Dave Rubin, have a discussion?
	Let's really get into the weeds on this, please.
	Bring up some statute.
	Let's have a conversation.
	A lot of news does.
	A lot of news really, really does.
	Yeah. - Man, oh man, oh man.
	And yeah, unauthorized immigrants are not being housed at migrant centers.
	And the logic does kind of speak for itself, but obviously in order to get into one of these places,
	you need to have made it through the US border legally.
	At the Roosevelt Hotel, specifically there's been rigorous processing of migrants,
	including checking of IDs and lots of forms to fill out and more invasive things like full stripped down
	medical examinations, et cetera.
	So, you know, that's just not happening.
	And the idea that legal immigrants are the ones cleaning the rooms and whatever else at the Roosevelt Hotel is perfectly fine because it's their job and they're getting paid to do so.
	And again, the people at the migrant centers are legal migrants.
	Yeah, watch it, Ruben.
	Who'd cut your fucking grass?
	Not you!
	Definitely not you.
	It's so absurd on that.
	Oh, the sun's back out.
	I've completely disappeared.
	Great.
	It's just funny.
	But yeah, especially putting them on the dole.
	First of all, the thing that New Yorkers are paying for the most is fucking cops.
	And they don't get to have a choice.
	They don't have any agency.
	They just have to do it.
	So that's what they're paying the most for.
	Secondly, as far as, like, on the doll.
	And I think this is why, like, I will fight for a place to be able to lend my perspective as a person who's, like, relied on a food bank and been on food stamps.
	What's fucking crazy, and I know this is a bit of a tangent about Bill Maher, but I feel like... We are gonna talk about Bill Maher shortly.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Yeah, yeah, he's coming up.
	As far as, like, what I've heard Bill Maher, but I mean, I think it's not, well, I was correct, that it's not unreasonable that Bill Maher and Dave Rubin have a lot of overlap as far as their messaging, and especially what Bill Maher, like, will talk about welfare, food stamps, WIC, whatever, like, will talk about it like it's this fucking free-for-all.
	Please, in your state, everyone that can hear my voice, look up the requirements that you need to get food assistance.
	Please.
	Please.
	what you can have in your bank account, because they know, what you can have, like, what you can
	have, like, what your income is, what your rent is barely matters. And even food banks, right?
	A lot. And I get, I get why.
	I get why this is a thing, but do not misunderstand me.
	In America, food banks, you cannot go get all your food that you need.
	It is intended to be supplemental and even the most benevolent of systems.
	That are still within the food bank structure.
	I'm not talking about food nut bombs or mutual aid organizations that are neighborhood-based or whatever.
	But food banks let you come in once a month.
	You get one dozen eggs.
	You get food for a while.
	It isn't a month of food.
	Not even close.
	Not even fucking close.
	So do not misunderstand me.
	And that's so they can feed more people.
	It makes perfect sense, right?
	There's a reason why there are limits on these programs, but these fucking rich cunts sitting here talking about it makes me crazy because they have no idea and have never needed to rely on support in that way because they already have it somewhere else.
	And they think that they have pulled themselves by their bootstraps when they have not.
	And to think that there's this kind of cornucopia of support from the state is otherworldly to think about.
	And I mean, even just to regular poor people, let alone migrants, you know, where there is inordinately way less support.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	It's illegal.
	Someone who is a migrant, someone that doesn't have legal status, They could, if they are brave enough and they understand they won't get in trouble, even though they still might because of surveillance, they still might.
	They are the ones that can go to a food bank, but you can still only go once a month and you get like a week and a half of food if you're like really lucky and judicious and are amazing at cooking giant cabbages.
	Listen, you get what they give you.
	And it's not and especially like what Bill Maher talks about is like the health like they just the way that he talks about like people that are on food assistance are like inherently unhealthy.
	Girl watch what they give you.
	Watch what the state gives you.
	Watch what the state intentionally gives you.
	Ketchup is a vegetable baby.
	That's real.
	Get with the fucking program.
	It drives me.
	Please.
	Google, pause the podcast right now, Google what your state, because also it's a stupid patchwork that sucks, but what your state gives people that are low income, please, and what they require.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And what corporations have been proffing off of it since the 90s, since fucking Clinton.
	Watch.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And I mean, again, just the idea that the illegals are on the dole.
	I mean, they're claiming welfare?
	How does that work?
	It doesn't.
	Just on an administrative level, how does that work?
	No, it doesn't.
	You must be new here, it doesn't.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	And yeah, that's the thing.
	People have no concept Of what they're- It's also what you're paying for.
	There's also a whole- Okay, it's also a whole thing.
	Like, they privatized large sections of the welfare state in the 90s.
	So there are corporations.
	It's not just the prison- It's not just CoreCivic and the prison industrial complex.
	There is a welfare industrial complex.
	People are buying mansions.
	And subsequent personalized jet skis and shit.
	Their kids are running into lampposts and getting away with it.
	They're wrapping a new Ferrari around a bridge and not getting consequences with the money that used to go to people that needed it and now go to corporations.
	That's a thing.
	The podcast Reveal, PRI, they do a really good job of covering some of it, but maybe I'll, you know what, I'll post that somewhere, I think.
	But that's just a start, because every state has its own thing.
	It's a lot.
	It's a lot.
	It's great!
	Great.
	America.
	Fuck yeah.
	I'm so sick of this narrative.
	Like, I'm so, obviously, because I just went on a rant.
	I'm so fucking sick of this narrative and hearing it from these fucking useless assholes that just don't know things.
	Like, they don't know what humans do.
	Like, they're like aliens.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And yeah, he sat there with a couple of million YouTube subscribers, you know.
	Great.
	Thanks, Reuben.
	You're really contributing to society.
	So moving on, Dave Reuben talks a little bit more about the greatness of Florida for a while, which then prompts this response from Russell.
	In isolation, taking her in isolation, pretty encouraging stories.
	But when I'm thinking about moving to Florida, I think, is that going to be enough?
	Because it feels to me like a significant encroachment on freedom that I've experienced on a personal level and that we've discussed together.
	Sure, we're still part of a banking system here.
	There are ways around that too.
	He said it!
	I don't think banking is the problem that Russell is facing.
	When he talks about a personal encroachment on his freedoms, he means he could likely end up in prison for the crimes he's committed.
	Can we send that clip to the IRS, please?
	Yeah, right.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Not all these pesky banks and taxes I don't like paying and bothering me.
	Yeah, so is Florida gonna be enough is a valid question if you're trying to avoid extradition to be put on trial.
	Yeah, may want to go back to thinking about Bali, Russell.
	They definitely don't have an extradition treaty.
	Yeah.
	Also, listen to how people talk.
	Listen to what people say.
	He didn't say, I am thinking about moving to Florida.
	He said, when I think about moving to Florida.
	Listen, I can have a million thoughts about when I think about Moving to Florida?
	Maybe the subsequent phrase would be very different.
	He's not saying he wants to.
	He's saying, when I think about moving to Florida, maybe it's not.
	Here's my list of problems.
	Maybe it's not what I need.
	Maybe it's, in fact, not a good choice.
	But Dave Rubin is like, oh my god, it's fabulous here.
	OK.
	Yeah.
	So next we have, there's a hastily inserted ad break with terrible audio, I apologize listeners, but the product did pique my interest.
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	How is it woke?
	Dunno, but stop it.
	All right.
	Now.
	So, okay, wait, right.
	That's it?
	That's all you got to say about this?
	Because I have thoughts.
	No, I've got more.
	I've got more, but yeah, let's hear your thoughts on the product.
	Go on.
	Well, the Civil War that I want to see is Black Rifle Coffee, and now 1775?
	Is that because there's already a 7076?
	And they had to work on their branding?
	I'm not sure, because that is technically the year that the Revolutionary War began, so maybe it's that.
	Maybe it's just that.
	Sure. Okay. Yeah.
	It wouldn't shock me if there is a 77 76 coffee, because that's a really easy, easy name to go for so that that
	wouldn't surprise me at all.
	But there's already like there's already like a psychotic.
	Like there's already like a there's already like a militant coffee brand it's Black Rifle Coffee, and they even they like have stores now, which we have seen in our travels.
	Yeah, what?
	That's disturbing.
	Yeah, okay.
	Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
	Is $17.75 coming for Black Rockerful Coffee?
	Because that's what it looks like.
	Even the marketing, it's a different color scheme.
	It's gold and black, not white and black.
	Those are the militias I want to see clash.
	Yeah, I feel it may happen.
	We may have the coffee wars as a very real possibility.
	I look forward to the eventual dollop episode.
	Now, so this product and its message, both stupid and hilarious obviously, but I did want to briefly talk about who owns 1775 Coffee.
	See, it's owned by Stardust Group, Which is, in turn, owned by a guy called Foster Colson.
	Foster Colson himself is a young entrepreneur, let's say.
	He's a child of the Colson family, who own the Colson Group, which deals with forestry and aviation, among other things.
	And so Foster has inherited all of his wealth, but he's also conspicuously absent from the Colson Group website.
	Which is funny, his parents are on there, his brother's on here, he gets one name mentioned and that's kind of it, and then he's shuffled off to the side.
	The other things under Foster Colson's Stardust Group include the Wellness Company, who are the ones that Russell sells packs of antibiotics for.
	There's International Health Brands, which is basically financing for nutraceutical businesses.
	There's Holistic Goddess, which is, you know, women's crunchy health, essentially.
	Vigilant News Network, which is an alt-right news aggregator.
	Naked Organs, which produce desiccated bison organs as food.
	Oh, liver king shit.
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, so that's fun.
	And Unjected, which is a dating site for the unvaccinated.
	All right.
	Yeah, all of this is to say I do Truly wonder how much of the downfall of society can be attributed to white men being given limitless finances from a young age and power with zero consequences.
	And Foster Colson may be someone to keep an eye on because he's trying.
	He's definitely putting it out there.
	Now, I know that nominative determinism is not fair or right.
	Foster Colson sounds like a fucking racist.
	Like, that to me is like, that is a...
	There is a statue of that guy somewhere in a previously Confederate state, and he looks like this, like, mighty individual, but we find out later he, like, died of a cold or fell in a lake accidentally and died.
	Yeah, stubbed his toe and passed out.
	Yeah.
	Very giving, drunk and scared at the Alamo, but there's still a song about you.
	Like that.
	Like, giving very, like...
	I feel like I could see that Memorial Highway in Tennessee, and I'm not... Which I'm not even coming for the names necessarily!
	My favorite highway name... Oh, brace yourself.
	I'm trying to inject some levity here.
	All right.
	It's either in Kentucky or Tennessee.
	There's a Memorial Highway.
	The guy's name was Furlan Husky.
	You're welcome, everybody.
	I don't want to know about what this person did.
	Ferlin Husky!
	After you eat a funnel cake?
	Hey, Ferlin!
	Ferlin Husky.
	Ferlin Husky!
	I just, yeah, I... Wow, I mean... Why have a Foster Colson?
	How's it spelled?
	Ferlin Husky.
	F-E-R-L-I-N, and like the pants for bigger boys.
	Husky.
	Furlan Husky.
	Oh, I love it.
	Wow.
	Too much dinner.
	Furlan Husky.
	That's a gift.
	I have had that present for years.
	I bless it unto thee, unto all of you.
	You're welcome.
	Please don't, or tell me if this, listen, if this story is interesting, Definitely let me know.
	I haven't looked into it.
	There are southern names that are spectacular.
	Listen, I go to a lot of little museums, and that's when you get to find out what people named their children 150 years ago.
	And listen, it's creative.
	And not all of them sound like vehement racists.
	Ferlin Husky sounds like a country singer, not a confederate general.
	So I'm saying, I do have a rubric, and Foster Colson does not meet the fun criteria for me.
	Yeah, yeah, that sounds like Frontier Genocide General to me.
	You know, that's what I hear.
	Colson's last stand.
	Yeah.
	Ferlin Husky sounds like he's going to be supporting Conway Twitty.
	You know, that's how that sounds to me.
	And overeating.
	Like all of us.
	Yeah.
	At our best day.
	Yeah.
	It's delightful.
	Also, I find it very strange that you name your highways.
	That's not a thing we do here.
	We just have numbers.
	Oh, I think the numbers are boring.
	So, listen, we can agree to disagree as far as naming conventions.
	They're wrong.
	They shouldn't happen.
	I would find it much more interesting if we had names for them.
	That would be really, I imagine we would have some doozies that would be inherently problematic because that's all of British history.
	But still, yeah, fascinating.
	Okay, Furlan Husky.
	Furlan Husky.
	Oh yeah, you want to talk about expressway names, that's like a whole other, that's a whole other moment.
	I may or may not have a list and be a connoisseur.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	We have a Paul Simon, not that one.
	In Illinois.
	Oh, okay.
	Okay!
	Interesting.
	How Paul Simon, that one, feels about it.
	I can't imagine he knows.
	But yeah, well, oh wow, I didn't realize y'all didn't have any, like, Memorial Highway honorary street names.
	Wow!
	There's my Merocentrism again, thinking that everybody did it.
	No, no, we've just got, it'll be A47, you know.
	Land of the Empty Gesture!
	From sea to shining sea!
	That's us!
	That's us, baby!
	Consistent, that's what I appreciate.
	Anyway, let's get back to Dave Rubin, who wants to tell a story about COVID times, and you know, he's an ardent anti-vaxxer, so this story gets a little weird.
	I'll put it this way.
	When I was in California at the end, before I moved, and it was the height of COVID and the lockdowns, and I was having illegal parties at my house, and I had to have one of my guys that worked for me, I wanted to go to dinner one night.
	We usually had people come to our house.
	But one night, right before we left, I wanted to actually go to basically the only restaurant that I liked in LA before we left.
	It was Boa's Steakhouse on Sunset.
	You were probably there back in your day.
	Do you remember Boa's Steakhouse by chance?
	It was just the right amount of Hollywood kind of Glittery, but not too awful, and it was the kind of cool vibe there.
	And I hadn't been in a couple years because of COVID, and I was like, let's just go.
	It was the day before we were leaving, when we were officially leaving.
	And I had to have one of my guys make a fake vaccine passport for me.
	And then I'm sitting at the restaurant, and the vibe was dead, and they didn't let people sit at the bar anymore, and people had, you know, waiters had masks, but you didn't have to have a mask.
	All that bullshit.
	And I realized that there were a couple tables of people looking at me and pointing at me.
	And then I realized it wasn't, well, they knew who I was, but that's not like, oh my God, it was Dave Rubin like that.
	It was, Dave Rubin's not vaxxed.
	What's he doing here?
	Like, in essence, that they thought I was lying because I was in there with the passport.
	So I had to go up, I went up to literally three groups of people to be like, guys, don't worry about it.
	It was a fake vaccine passport.
	And I was like, what level of insanity is this?
	Think about for all the fame that you've had and all the people that have been copying your records and everything else.
	If for some reason you felt that every now and again you'd have to go up to a table and explain your life to them.
	And that's literally what I felt as I was leaving.
	This is insane!
	Oh, so he was without papers.
	He was without papers, but couldn't even forge his own papers.
	But he was without papers.
	I had to get someone to do it.
	Oh, dear.
	So, firstly, me thinks the lady doth protest too much.
	I mentioned he was at Fox News this week and someone on Twitter was like, hey, don't you need to be vaccinated to get in the building?
	And then Dave Rubin called him a dickhead on Twitter.
	One might think he's a little bit sensitive about people thinking that he's vaccinated.
	Is that an answer to the question?
	No, it's not.
	That's just not an answer.
	Almost like he's possibly actually secretly been vaccinated and will explode at anyone daring to suggest such a possibility.
	Even though it seems to be pretty common among these people, but okay, fine.
	Anyway, the picture I want everyone to imagine is you're sitting in a restaurant, maybe with your partner, your family, your friend, you're having a relaxing time, right?
	Most people are wearing masks and being responsible and safe, as is needed in the US still.
	It's 2022, I think.
	You see Dave Rubin on a distant table.
	You're possibly amused about his presence.
	Maybe you recognize him from his old work.
	Maybe you're aware that he's unvaccinated.
	Maybe he's being a dick about masks and COVID restrictions in the restaurant, which seems likely.
	Either way, you go about your meal having a pleasant time, until suddenly Dave Rubin feels compelled to walk up to your table and tell you, don't worry about it, it was a fake vaccine passport, I'm not actually vaccinated, before leaving and then telling two other tables the same thing.
	This man is going around restaurants approaching strangers to tell them he's not vaccinated and that he fraudulently gained entrance to the restaurant in the first place.
	I promise you that didn't happen.
	You outlining it really drove the point home.
	That never fucking happened.
	That a thousand percent didn't happen.
	I'm going to watch this whole ass video with you today.
	I'm going to take screenshots for social media posts.
	I will interact with this again in the future.
	And I couldn't pick Dave Rubin out of the lineup, I promise you.
	Yeah, right?
	I'm not gonna recognize him if he was in, barely if he was in my own home, let alone at a restaurant I was at.
	Generic-ass white guy?
	No.
	He could say, unless his shirt was, I'm Dave Rubin with an arrow pointing to his head, I would not know.
	Or I'd think I saw him at Target every week.
	I see 15 guys that look like Dave Rubin every day as I leave my house.
	I did think that.
	In the back of my mind, I was like, who recognizes Dave Rubin in a restaurant?
	Just how?
	Just how?
	Average looking white man.
	Painfully.
	Painfully so.
	Yeah, I get the feeling, at best, this is a, ooh, I wish I'd said this at the time kind of moment.
	Oh yeah, yeah.
	He made up a shower fight.
	Yeah, he had a shower fight with himself.
	That didn't happen.
	I'm glad it's just a lie, because it'd be way more embarrassing if he did it.
	Also, someone would have taken a fucking video, and you know it.
	That's true.
	You know there would be video of it.
	Yeah, if this if this was verifiable in any way, it would it would in fact be sadder.
	Someone would have taken it with their phone and put it on TikTok.
	Guaranteed.
	Because no one's recognizing Dame Reuben to not embarrass him in public.
	I'm sorry.
	Because yeah, now I want to know.
	Now I have to have like a reference photo all the time, like a lineup.
	And if he is around, I'm gonna I will be forced to just film him just in case.
	Just, just, just stand there filming being like Nelson from The Simpsons going, the whole time.
	I want to hear what he has to say.
	I will be silent.
	I will be silent.
	But I would love to, I love the, the, yeah.
	Oh my god, Pixar didn't happen.
	And I don't think it happened, but if it did... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I do feel like you could just, like the microcosm of America, you could just let him tire himself out and that'll be embarrassing enough on his own.
	TMZ's not gonna pay you for that.
	Like, if you posted the video, you'd have to first have an intro of like, okay, here's who Dave Rubin is.
	Internet.
	Oh, dear.
	So from here, we briefly approach the subject of infighting amongst the alt-right.
	So you referenced a little while ago that there's been some like sort of infighting on the right that we've seen some of this and people know about it between say Ben and Tucker or whatever with Candace and everything else.
	I have tried very very hard and I'm sure imperfectly and I'm you know I know all these people.
	I was at Candace's wedding.
	Ben and I kind of grew out of this thing together.
	Tucker and I are friendly like and you know what it's like you then become sort of friendly with these people so then to confront some of their ideas publicly you kind of feel bad or you don't want to do it or you don't you really
	don't want to misconstrue what they're saying or certainly attack their motives which
	I really try not to do.
	But I can tell you in the last couple months where I've seen some of this stuff happening
	on the right, I have really tried to rise above it and I'm not attacking anybody.
	How do you do it?
	Because well I'll tell you one of the things that I've tried to do is take some, you've
	had Tulsi on your show right?
	Yeah.
	Okay, so Tulsi, I think, is a great example of where we should be going with things right now.
	Tulsi, lifelong Democrat from Hawaii, right?
	Like, her spirit is a spirit of peace and decency and love and warmth and all of that, right?
	You know that.
	I know that about her personally and her public nature.
	What I think is interesting about her is she's a current member, serving member of the military, who got into the military because of 9-11.
	Now, let's put aside what anyone thinks America did right or wrong after 9-11 or anything else, but something happened to her when America got attacked that said, I want to help my country, right?
	Then she becomes a congresswoman.
	The woman really would prefer probably to be on a surfboard all day if she was just doing what she wanted to do.
	She was part of the Democrat machine for a long time and then just didn't like the direction that things were going.
	It can't be that every, you know, it's a similar wake-up that I had and that many other people are having.
	It can't be that everyone else is racist, I don't like this authoritarian control, the big government thing and the constant taking of taxes, none of this is working.
	She started waking up to it and then what did the machine do to her?
	Hillary Clinton said that she was a Russian asset, if you remember that.
	They basically, in essence, they kicked her out of the party.
	Not literally, but she had to leave the party.
	She is no longer a Democrat.
	Now, why am I bringing her up as it relates to this?
	Because I think people like her actually are the answer.
	And what I'm seeing on the right right now is that for all the little infighting on the right, she's being welcome.
	Tulsi Gabbard is the answer.
	And I will say, she left the Democratic Party entirely of her own volition.
	So much so of her own volition that it's in the title of her book.
	She was not removed.
	Anyway, she's the answer and is giving up her days surfing to be an alt-right politician, which is obviously very noble of her.
	Wonderful.
	Dave Rubin obviously doesn't have to listen to women, because, like you said, it's in the title of her book.
	That's a lot of stuff that she would not say about herself, is what I just heard.
	Versions of it and that's like basically whenever we're listening to where like what is useful like why these people are associating with each other even though when they get in a room together it's unpleasant and it seems like they just want to fight and it's very contentious and seems competitive and not actually cooperative.
	That's the idea of her that they want to put forth.
	This is the narrative that is useful.
	This is what is useful about her to them, and specifically I think to his project, is that he can think and say that those are the things about her that are important.
	Not what she says.
	He can't even give her autonomy.
	Like her book title.
	You don't even have to open it.
	No, I just, I don't feel like that's the version of her that's ever really been put forward either in my personal experience.
	You know, everyone experiences things differently, but that's certainly not the impression I'd gotten or that I feel that was being attempted.
	But yeah, clearly is what is useful, which is interesting.
	Read her marketing brief.
	Yeah, right.
	In terms of clips to send to the IRS, Dave Rubin did just say the constant taking of taxes, none of that's working.
	So yeah, that might be one as well.
	Oh no, I mean the constant taking of taxes and then what they do with it sucks.
	I agree with that in a snapshot.
	I don't think it's working either.
	I don't think we mean the same things.
	I don't think it's working.
	No, no.
	I think those are two different conversations.
	Maybe it's not working as they can't get to all of his money.
	So yeah, I think in that also, like, yeah, it isn't working.
	They should get to the money that you owe for the country and the space that you live in.
	Yeah, his perspective is more, I don't like paying taxes.
	Yeah, no shit.
	So moving on from Tulsi, Dave Rubin has another example of a human being that might be the answer to this problem.
	Another example of this would be another guy that you know well, Bill Maher, and that when you were on last time was like one of the best media hits of the last 10 years.
	But Bill Maher is waking up to all of what's wrong with the left, he's defending free speech, you know, he's getting all of the issues right, he's acknowledging the deficiencies mentally with Biden, he's not pretending anything is other than it is.
	And what's happening?
	People on the right are enjoying him.
	Now, he may not get there voting-wise.
	Maybe he's gonna end up voting for Biden.
	And I always say we have to just kind of punt that.
	But if you take all of these people that are waking up, I would much rather right now show them that on the right side of things, look, You are in my house with my husband and my children.
	I am not a conventional conservative by any nature.
	The labels are all ridiculous and everything else.
	But I do know that if voting means anything, there is one side I have to vote for to protect my life, to protect what I think is good about this country and everything else.
	So what I'm working really hard to do right now is show people on the right That as these people come, let's be gracious.
	People were gracious when I came along.
	When I came along and started just talking to Ben Shapiro, who I thought was this right-wing maniac, and talking to Glenn Beck, and talking to Dennis Prager, what I found was they were kind, and decent, and welcoming, and I think you've had a very similar experience with all of those guys, and many other people.
	And rich and white, so all of our priorities are aligned directly because of class solidarity.
	I mean, I'm sure they were welcoming, you know?
	Much like when, to use Joe Rogan's analogy, a wounded antelope wanders into the space of a pride of lions.
	Oh, please do come in.
	Make yourself comfortable.
	We have many uses for you.
	Please, come over to our side.
	You're willing to be gay publicly.
	Yes!
	We need you.
	We need this.
	We got plenty of them, but we need one that's gonna put his shit out on Front Street.
	We need a token, sir.
	Yep, there's a lot of money to be made.
	He literally rattled off the names of monsters to be like, oh they're so nice to me!
	And then wonders why multiple sides of the conversation think he's an idiot.
	Here we are!
	He was expressing his allegiances and he knew exactly who he was talking to and what he was talking about and that's just embarrassing.
	It's embarrassing to hear!
	Yeah, pretty grim stuff.
	What he said about Bill Maher is interesting because, you know, Bill Maher has spent decades claiming to be progressive in some form or function, but actually seems to spend all of his time shitting on the left and giving props to the Republicans he finds less distasteful.
	And this does seem to have ramped up in recent years despite his hatred of Donald Trump He seems to hate the left much more and the right-wing are fucking loving it This all happening is not terribly surprising to anyone who's been paying attention to Bill Maher But I do find it interesting that Dave Rubin is using him as an example of The alt-right are willing to pretty much kind of openly embrace Bill Maher shows something of a turn to me.
	That feels like something to just pay attention to a little bit.
	They want tokens.
	Tulsi, Dave, Bill Maher.
	They want tokens and they can clip it.
	I love that.
	Okay.
	What else has changed in the last 10 years there, Dave?
	Video content on the internet, maybe?
	Because Bill Maher is not the most famous Bill Maher has ever been.
	Sorry.
	That was more than 10 years ago, is when Bill Maher's career was at its height.
	That's not what is going on now.
	He's memeable.
	And he's useful to your cause.
	And because obviously Dave Rubin does not live in the same world with the rest of us, he thinks that he's gotten more famous because they made more clips of him.
	And he's made himself, like you said, useful to the right.
	Yeah.
	He's shown up in my algorithm, he's more famous, that's what that means.
	Oh my god, wow.
	That's a dark sentence.
	Everyone, one more time?
	Can you say it one more time?
	For the back.
	He's shown up in my algorithm, that means he's more famous.
	That's what that means, yes.
	Did anyone else feel that in their bone marrow?
	I did.
	Facts.
	Speaking facts on this day.
	Jesus.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, it'll be interesting to see if this develops any further with Bill Maher, whether he'll eventually become a Okay, the thing is, he's been the same person for a long time.
	There's not a lot of changing.
	I don't think he needs to.
	He has his own ideas.
	He trusts his own counsel in the way that Jordan Peterson does.
	I think that Bill Maher is much smarter than Jordan Peterson, genuinely, but he trusts his own counsel and he does not need to change for anyone because he's still making money and his privilege is not threatened in any way.
	And they're helping him.
	Oh absolutely, yeah.
	I don't think he's going to change at all.
	It doesn't behoove him either because then he wouldn't be a token.
	Honestly, it's the same use that Russell is a token because he's a little crunchy goofball.
	Like he's a crunchy meditation goofball.
	And still gets like drug addict cred, which if I were a person who was struggling with addiction and I was watching Russell on the regular, I would feel insulted that like he's using a real element of people's existence that is difficult and challenging and important.
	To be considerate and reverent as far as like, and just to consider the pain that has been caused to the human condition through addiction.
	And he's using it as a like, it's on his, it's in his marketing strategy.
	That's on his mood board.
	He's using it.
	Yeah, certainly any of the people who've struggled with that that have been in contact with us have been upset about that.
	Yeah!
	I hope that is the prevailing feeling.
	You're right.
	You're correct.
	Because it fucking should be.
	It's fucking insulting.
	Yes, insulting and cynical and gross.
	All right, we've got one final clip here and again it feels incredibly convoluted from a man who just spent most of an hour saying how terrible immigration is.
	America is for everybody that believes in freedom and then the American values that come from that.
	You know, the chance that you have a chance here will give you equality.
	Equality under the law.
	And then you have a chance to do something.
	You might not do it, but you have the ability to pursue happiness.
	What a great thing the founders put in there.
	The pursuit of happiness.
	We can't guarantee you happiness, but you could pursue it and we'll see what happens.
	And guess what?
	Most people either don't end up happy or they never get all the way there or whatever it is, right?
	But you could pursue it here in America.
	And the reason that that is so attractive is because most countries for the history of the world, they're based around an ethnicity to begin, right?
	So Spain is mostly for Spanish people.
	Of course, they have immigrants, they have different people there.
	Ireland is mostly for Irish people.
	There are basic things that make you common with your neighbor.
	America, the thing that makes us common is freedom, right?
	It's freedom.
	That's it.
	And then you have your foods, and I have my foods, and oh, your family came from this place?
	I like that spice.
	Oh, I like that music from where you live.
	Oh, those are interesting clothes you wear.
	And all of these things.
	And then we fold that into the melting pot, and it is supposed to make us stronger.
	That is exactly what you were describing right there.
	And if we can strengthen that, if we can return to that, it is the most beautiful, precious thing that humans could possibly create.
	I also think the danger in that is it's the easiest thing to destroy.
	What's happening right now is we're importing old hatreds back into the system.
	If you live in America now, most of your ancestors came from places that had old hatreds and you were fleeing authoritarian governments, right?
	Then we came to America, you had a chance.
	It would be the easiest thing if you were A nefarious foreign power or something else.
	To basically put it on our streets that we should just start looking at skin color again and we should be obsessed with all of our inequities and everything else.
	You will put everything else aside and then you'll be willing to kill your neighbor.
	So it is extraordinarily rare and precious and it's also extraordinarily rare and can be flitted away like that.
	Thanks Dave.
	Thanks Dave.
	He's an ignore it or go away guy.
	Cool.
	I mean, obviously, obviously he is.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's definitely, that's definitely the, uh, the aim there.
	It's like, yeah, well of course racism is still happening.
	We keep talking about it.
	God.
	Yeah.
	Would you like another thing that would, that will instantly fly me into a rage when I hear it?
	That.
	Yup.
	That's so crazy.
	That's so crazy and hateful and insulting.
	Yes.
	Also, I'm deeply curious who the melting pot is made up of in Dave Rubin's mind here.
	Because, like, if his vision of the future ever actually comes to pass, then it's gonna be a melting pot full of ranch dressing.
	And even that might be a little bit too culinarily interesting to what's gonna be available.
	You know, I'm just like, a veritable hidden valley, if you will.
	Uh, yeah, no, the like, I will say like their their message discipline.
	This is that moment when it's fucking, like, it hits you in the face how frustrating it is to hear Naomi Wolf saying the same thing last week.
	The same thing last week!
	That is a fantasy.
	It is a make-em-ups.
	So you don't, you're not hearing that from, like, you're not getting that from evidence in the world.
	Someone has to cook this shit up.
	And it's cooked.
	It has been cooked, and they have been convinced of it.
	Again, because it's in their algorithm, so it must be on the topic of the day.
	And it must be true, because it's in my algorithm.
	I mean, it's just embarrassing to see adults talk like this.
	It really, it's embarrassing.
	And I mean, it's like infuriating first, and then Just embarrassing.
	You're grown.
	You're a grown man.
	Supposedly.
	And your own audience is fucking mad at you for wanting to live your life.
	Now, what I love about that story about the steakhouse, I know it's not Fogo de Chao, in my mind that's what it is.
	It's just where people go to have a lot of meat.
	Uh, and want to pay a lot of money for a lot of meat.
	And no hate at all, I don't eat it anymore, but man, that was a really fun time after, like, tattoo conventions back in the day.
	So that's where I'm at.
	Because I'm also picturing a dude walking around with his, like, fake vaccine passport?
	His fake vaccine passport.
	Look, it's a fake!
	It's fake, I swear!
	And just, like, wiggles it and it's just paper, it's not cardstock.
	So what he's explaining in that story is that he- I said without papers, you know why I emphasize without papers?
	Well, having Italian-American heritage myself, I'm acutely aware of being called a wop, W.O.P.
	without papers.
	Without papers.
	Wasn't just Italians, but it kind of made it to the Italian insult, which we can still insult Italians, all right?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	We're still on the table.
	So if you heard that, great, cool.
	He can understand, fundamentally, foraging papers to enter a space he feels comfortable in and entitled to.
	He can understand the concept of illegally entering that space because, yeah, OK, it's not that big of a deal.
	And it is a big deal if he wasn't vaccinated.
	But he also is.
	So that's like I'm engaging with a fake story.
	And I apologize for that.
	It's a little bit confusing.
	But he understands the concept of if he wanted to go do that thing, special boy could hire someone, not even do it himself.
	If you're gonna forge papers, do it your fucking self, you wiener.
	But like, he can't even do it himself, has to pay a underling to forge papers to get into a space he'd like to enter.
	And he's fine with it.
	If you were a camo, like a dashing camo blazer, I'm I'll show up on his doorstep tomorrow.
	I swear to God.
	Yeah, it does feel like something of a double standard.
	Just a little bit.
	Just in time for Pride season, everybody.
	The worst gay man!
	Yay!
	He's the worst gay!
	Happy Pride!
	We know where the bottom is!
	It's only up from here!
	Ah, that was good.
	That was good.
	I enjoyed that pun.
	It's funny because Dave Rubin's been on Russell's show before, since we've started covering him, and in many ways He feels very, um, I don't know, like in terms of content, he feels like hummus to me.
	He feels very beige.
	Bland.
	Yeah, just very like, ugh, this guy, this guy.
	That's why you need, that's why you need acid diversity.
	Yes, yes, you're quite right.
	Yeah, he's unseasoned hummus.
	That's how I feel about Dave Rubin.
	But actually kind of getting into his ideas, they're just all over the place.
	None of it makes any lick of sense.
	He's just contradictions next to each other.
	And it feels very obviously cynical.
	It's like, well, yes, you want to make money off of doing this thing.
	He told the story that disproves his thesis.
	It's not like, I don't know how many personal anecdotes he was firing off.
	You do, you watch the thing.
	But if there were 10, At least one, and I'm being generous about personal anecdotes, if there were ten, one completely disproved his thesis.
	I don't know about the other nine.
	I'm not feeling great about it, though, because those numbers don't look good for someone that should be taken seriously.
	It's just, I can't take this seriously.
	It's incredible.
	What's crazy though is watching Russell do this kind of like round-robin exploration of like the space he's now in.
	Since he is definitely, and I feel I proved several weeks ago, an off-brand, he's a cynical actor, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	That he is honing his message to be better at this than everybody else.
	So he's gonna steal what he wants to steal, and then throw away the rest.
	And I think that, I don't know, he didn't seem particularly impressed with Dave Rubin.
	I don't know the read that you got, but Russell didn't seem like he was excited about that conversation at all.
	Yeah, no, it didn't seem buzzed, that's for sure.
	I mean, that's a bit of a fucking snooze.
	I'm hoping the rest of Florida week provides a little bit more rizz, you know?
	You would think!
	Get a Florida man!
	It's a phrase!
	Yeah, exactly!
	Get him in there!
	Yeah, yeah, so I'm hoping the rest of it will be more interesting.
	Because I kind of thought as well, like, you know, the first kind of show from Florida Week, and like, you know, you make it a big one, then nope.
	Nope.
	Yeah.
	Now, I do want to say something, and I don't know, I mean, the thing is, we have luck, oh my god, all the time.
	I don't know if you listen to it or not.
	I don't know if you put that clip in for a reason or whatever, as far as like the concept of countries being ethnographic-centric.
	I talk about this in Off-React.
	Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yes.
	Yeah, in Off-React Sunday.
	Spain is for Spanish people!
	Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	What do you think, who do you think Spanish people are?
	David?
	The whole point and what's very frustrating about, and I think it's completely reasonable for us as human beings, I'm going to recap a little bit, as far as for us as human beings to understand that, because obviously also the conversation is in a different context, so I'm going to bring it into this context for this conversation, not the one that I covered on Sunday.
	The concept of countries is brand new, and I do not blame us, the people existing today, with our brains full of fluid in the world in 2024.
	It is very difficult to conceive of a previous life way that did not have national countries and national borders.
	But countries are a brand spanking new concept for humans.
	Countries with borders having a map that has lines on it.
	There were areas, there were city states, there were ethnographic groups.
	The concept, like I think the hope, and you know we're talking about a hundred plus years ago when this all kind of started cooking up, was the concept of nations.
	There was the hope, just like there was hope for socialism and communism and all the things that have been dashed on the rocks in modern time.
	That a nation, like the concept of a nation being ethnically diverse and including, like that line on a map, including lots of different kinds of people feeling Spanish, seeing themselves as Spanish, could participate in their governments and could understand that, like, Even though we are all very different.
	We are united under the nation.
	So the concept was to combat, because what they were also watching, religion plays a huge part in it too, because religious quote-unquote, quote-unquote, quote-unquote, holy wars, quote-unquote, religious wars, religious differences were like, and also just kind of like inherently.
	And what did we say?
	Was it last week or something?
	Like, An ethnostate is fundamentally fascist and genocidal.
	Yeah, yeah.
	By their very nature, they're fascist.
	So having different amounts of and different compositions of people within a nation, feeling like you are part of a national project that would supersede your religious affiliation or your cultural affiliation, But you could combine everyone together as a nation and then you have these kind of agreed upon concepts and mores and the way that you want to govern your area together in a melting pot.
	literally have the concept appreciated and appreciated the benefit of diversity.
	That's like what the whole, at least that's what the hope was
	and that's how that idea was pitched.
	Because what could you say an American looks like?
	No one pictures me.
	Maybe some of you do.
	I'm not the bog standard I think of an American.
	I mean, I know what I'm thinking of, and it's not.
	They look more like Dave Rubin than me, for sure.
	But with terrible cargo shorts.
	But that concept of a nation, so the fact that he's saying that countries are for the Spanish is fucking stupid and crazy.
	It's so ahistorical.
	And I don't blame us for not remembering a time where countries didn't exist in the same, anywhere near the concept.
	Because even like, nobility was international, right?
	And that you had the ruling classes that were international.
	So you didn't have like, it was Solidarity was a lot easier because your class kind of had a lot more to do with your access, you know, like access in society and your ability to move about.
	So to say that, like, Spanish, oh my God, it's just ridiculous.
	And I...
	The more I learn about it, and that's what learning about history teaches you, that those kind of differences were reconciled by having sort of a national project, national identity.
	And I think it's a really interesting thing that we do not, and again, it's hard for me to conceptualize as what it was like before countries were countries in the way that we understand them to be.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Because it also goes to the ownership of land, like the concept of owning land.
	In one of the videos I watched, and they're linked in the off-brand for anybody that, you know, anyone that's got a sub, you can have access to all of it.
	There was a guy who, you know, like there was a...
	There's a Palestinian man who is an ethnically Palestinian.
	He was indigenous to the land, and he was on land that had been in his family for generations.
	And I think either the reporter or someone who was interviewing him was like, well, why don't you put up a fence to keep out these illegal settlers that are encroaching on his land?
	And he said, no.
	If I give them a line, If I delineate a line, then they know where to take from.
	The way he said it was very simple, and also it was translated, so it made the point, but it was in context.
	The notion that, no, no, no, you want me to make a border, you want me to make a line so you can cross it.
	That's why you want me to establish a line, establish a border.
	It's not about stewardship of the land, it's about ownership of the land.
	It's not about we collectively take care of this place that we live together and that we all have this kind of cultural code of conduct that's passed down to understand what's best for everyone and what we're doing to provide for everyone.
	In land stewardship, he's saying like, no, no, no.
	If I put up a fence, one, the fence isn't going to do anything.
	They have unlimited resources.
	Again, these illegal settlers are funded by Christian Zionists in America.
	There are 14 million, off the top of my head, 14 million Jewish people worldwide.
	There are 80 million Christian Zionists in America.
	Like 80% of them giving money to organizations that are Christian Zionist that are supporting these settlers and giving them the resources to tear down that fence and to break the laws or bend the laws or nudge forward.
	He's like, I'm not going to put up There's never been a fence.
	There's never going to be a fence.
	I know where I live and my neighbors knew where they live.
	And we don't need a fence because you're just going to use that.
	I think it's a really interesting concept.
	And I do think that's kind of what ended up happening with nations.
	It's like, well, now there's a line we can fight over.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's exactly what happened.
	And I think it's profound as a concept of like, that's that's like an indigenous life way that I think, you know, again, like doing the work.
	We are not a primary source.
	We are a tertiary source.
	We are not experts.
	We are just here working it out.
	And frankly, I feel more qualified than the people that we have to listen to on Russell's Show every week.
	But that doesn't make me an expert at all.
	I do also want to say, you know, in Dave Rubin's kind of concept of, you know, Spain is for the Spanish, etc., the idea underpinning that should be, theoretically, the people indigenous to Spain.
	Theoretically is what that should be.
	You know, the people who've been there for however many centuries or whatever.
	Theoretically.
	He doesn't say that, but theoretically that's what he's kind of going for.
	And yet when it comes to America, it's like, oh no, we're just about freedom.
	What about the indigenous Americans?
	What happened to those?
	Spain is for the Spanish.
	Ireland's for the Irish.
	America is melting.
	It's freedom.
	It's freedom.
	Where's Reuben come from?
	Flanders?
	You need to go back to Flanders?
	You want to hike your happy ass back to Flanders?
	Like really?
	Part of my family, like, the country we're from doesn't exist anymore.
	And, like, fine.
	Makes genealogy a little tough.
	The paperwork doesn't make that much sense.
	But, like, you know what I mean?
	Like, come on.
	Yeah, you do know what I mean.
	I'm building off of the concept that you just put forward that I completely agree with.
	Then why are you here?
	Why are you encouraging An immigrant.
	Because Russell would be an immigrant.
	Yeah, it's like, if this is your genuine belief, then really, everyone should leave and leave America to the indigenous populations.
	So why are you pitching Russell on moving to Florida?
	Why the fuck are you pitching Russell, like, wrestling from here?
	Why do you want him to move?
	I'm not even sure he could in terms of immigration, etc.
	I'm not sure.
	I don't know whether he could actually swing that.
	He's rich, so whatever.
	But like, truly.
	Yeah, no.
	What?
	Fucking what?
	Whether he'd be another illegal.
	That'd be a fun twist.
	He lets his visa run out.
	You never know.
	Basically, absentmindedly, one day he can wake up and be an illegal.
	Isn't that fun?
	Yeah, as someone who often struggles with executive dysfunction is what I was trying to get to.
	Yeah, that would be horrifying.
	That would be an anxiety-inducing existence, as I'm sure it is.
	Yes, it certainly is.
	It certainly fucking is.
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	That's not win-win-win.
	That's lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie-lie.
	That's propaganda-propaganda.
	This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of war.
	Russell Brand!
	And you're all worth.
	[laughter]
	[laughter]
	I can't help it.
	I have to watch the video clips where the video looks right.
	You know what I mean?
	I have watched the video clips like, nope, that looks way more like me.
	I do in fact have a nose.
	Oh my Kugos Lauren B. Oh boy.
	The ghost is with the Moses.
	I'm gonna try that again, yeah.
	That was too much.
	Watching the video is just another kick in the dick.
	Like, oh I know that the same object functions properly.
	Not today, son!
	Just not on today.
	It was just seeing you come back in with the ghostly white pixels.
	With this?
	I couldn't do it.
	Doc!
	It's me!
	Oh dear.
	Oh dear.
	That was... I swear!
	Doc, this just... I needed a laugh today.

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