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May 30, 2024 - On Brand

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OB #58 - Naomi Wolf

Former feminist* author and journalist* Naomi Wolf was on Stay Free, and boy howdy this one gets crazy. *these titles may have never actually applied Support us on Patreon! - patreon.com/OnBrand Buy a magnet! - getyourselfsomereallivegold

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	I only suggest how to take him out of the boat.
	Extraordinary cultural moment.
	Already iconic.
	Already iconic.
	We love you.
	You're welcome here.
	Where did this guy come from?
	It looks like he's been doing it for ages.
	He's very confident.
	Plainly, and this is a matter now of fact and record, I'm right wing.
	I feel that Christ may have had a better vision.
	Is this misinformation or is Vivek Ramaswamy in the lavatory?
	That's sort of like a poem.
	Is this Eminem?
	Man, if we didn't come together in that stream.
	I'm assuming it was just the Pete.
	Now these are the kind of conversations I think that the legacy media can no longer compete with.
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	It's almost invariably bad, which is why we do the good thing before the bad thing.
	Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	Well, I'm going to break from my trend here of kind of talking about Palestine in this segment.
	More than just a blanket statement, because I feel like there's been a lot of news that is like, I can't turn it into a good thing.
	It's just been really terrible.
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	But I do have kind of a good thing that I wanted to mention up top is that I have an event coming up June 2nd.
	So it will be the Sunday after this airs.
	Cool.
	And I will be at Wolfbait and B-Girls will be outside.
	They have vendors that vend in the store.
	Doing like a pop-up sidewalk deal during the Logan Square Farmer's Market.
	So basically like, probably like during Logan Square Farmer's Market, a little bit later.
	It's centrally located.
	I think for a lot of people, it's like convenient for a lot of people.
	If you're in Chicago, come say hi.
	We're definitely there until, I mean, I'm not starting as early as the Logan Square Farmer's Market.
	Mercifully.
	But yeah, morning till early afternoon.
	I don't have the hours off the top of my head.
	But I mean, it's during market time and then a little bit later.
	So and that's cool.
	And I have a bunch of new like I have been in production mode.
	So that is it's gonna be cool.
	It's gonna be fun and we'll face great.
	They're great to me.
	And I That is nice.
	And my, uh, everything I make is already kind of like cruelty free.
	Um, because I use entirely recycled reclaimed salvage material.
	So, uh, I don't need to worry about the boycotts.
	I don't need to adjust my creative output at all, because I've kind of been doing this the whole time.
	And getting better and better and better at it.
	So if you ever buy anything from me, ever, you know, maybe, maybe 5% or less would be in any way, like, kind of supporting, you know, any kind of unethical Company or, like, labor chain, so.
	Yeah.
	That's kind of already done and done.
	I worry about it so you don't have to.
	So you can feel good about these purchases and especially good if you happen to go down this Sunday and check it out in person.
	It'd be really fun!
	Yeah, it's great.
	And I know the gals doing it with me is also awesome.
	They paired us up intentionally, so it's going to be cool.
	What's your good thing?
	Very cool.
	My good thing this week is a little bit of family time.
	I had my aunt and uncle came up from Oxfordshire to see people and we all converged upon my brother and my sister-in-law's place to see my little Five months old now, nephew?
	I don't want to say five months old, I could be wrong.
	Very tiny, very cute, laughing and smiling now, which is adorable.
	And yeah, it was just a very pleasant, fairly relaxing kind of time.
	My daughter loves babies of all manners and forms, so she was having a wonderful time.
	The football was on, which I don't give two shits about, but my uncle did.
	It was his team that won Manchester United, right?
	They won a cup.
	I want to say FA Cup.
	They won a cup anyway, but because he gave a shit we could all be like, hey!
	Say whatever you want right now.
	Sure.
	The Bloggy Cup.
	They won the Bloggy Cup.
	Great job, everybody.
	Yeah, good job, Man U. Yeah, and so, you know, spirits were up, but it was just a generally very pleasant, relaxing time, which was required.
	So yeah, that was good.
	That was definitely a good thing.
	Nice.
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	And this week we took a look at some of the crazy shit the liberal media are saying about Israel-Palestine, Palestine, as well as diving into just how fucked up and
	explicitly anti-Semitic Christian Zionism really is.
	Yeah, unfortunately...
	I may or may not have grown up around all these things for a long time, and therefore I started alarmed.
	Little Lauren started, oh, oh no!
	And it hasn't gotten better as far as my attitude.
	So I've been keeping tabs on these things kind of for a long time.
	As far as like, you know, apocalyptic kind of fundamentalist sort of End times prophecy.
	What's a neutral word?
	Proliferation of interesting and different unique ideas?
	I was trying to remember what Russell said the other day.
	It was like, what a unique perspective.
	Everybody's so creative.
	Yeah, what a creative, unique perspective.
	Their unique creative perspective.
	So kind of bringing that Yeah, bringing that here and also kind of expanding on some like, there's a lot of kind of shorthand because we have a lot to get to in these episodes that we do.
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	Hey!
	Very excited!
	Now then, now then, this week things were a little quiet on the home front.
	Russell's content is light this week and will be this coming week because he's preparing for a special run of Stay Free shows in Florida for Rumble.
	ALICE Yeah.
	Which is... yeah.
	Supposedly he'll also be interviewing some Floridian-based guests, and I shudder to think who that's gonna entail.
	Something for us all to look forward to.
	Ahaha.
	Nevertheless.
	ZACH Oh yeah!
	Let's.
	Go.
	Let's fucking go!
	I am looking at Russell right now.
	We're on the desert island.
	He's turned into a turkey, like a Thanksgiving turkey with the little feet.
	He's like, ooh, I can't wait.
	I'm going to have you for dinner.
	Oh, oh boy!
	He's gonna not like it.
	He's been made uncomfortable, and I think rightfully so, by some of the more extreme, or at least has expressed, like, I don't think that we should be going in this area!
	Discomfort asterisk, right?
	Um, maybe a sense of like, I don't know that this is the best thing to say in this moment on my platform.
	We're trying to play a certain game here and sir, you were playing a different game.
	That's going to happen a lot more on their home turf.
	I will say we get a little bit of that in today's show, actually, but, um, but he, he, I know he will be talking to Chris Pavlovsky, the guy who owns and started Rumble, et cetera.
	I think that one will probably be a dud.
	I'm not expecting much exciting from that one, but, uh, He's not announced who the others are yet, so it could be anyone's guess.
	Well, Rumble is, and this is what I found a couple months ago when I was looking into maybe funding stuff, Rumble is trying to be the, like, answer to hosting sources for, like, Hosting websites that are expressly problematic, maybe racist, maybe bigoted.
	So either there's going to be dog whistles or it's going to be explicit.
	I'm interested to see what they have to say or how they dance around it.
	It's gonna be fun to find out either way.
	Yeah, no, it's true, because that's interesting as well.
	Just in a different way.
	Something for us all to look forward to, anyway.
	Nonetheless, there was a guest worth covering this week, and it's a name that I think should be recognizable to probably most of our listeners.
	As ever, let's let Russell introduce them.
	Hello there, you Awakening Wonders.
	Thanks for joining me today for Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	It's an exciting conversation that we are about to have.
	Naomi Wolf, once a darling of the establishment, writer of the seismic and epoch-defining feminist book, The Beauty Myth.
	The reason I mention that is because you can use Naomi Wolf as a kind of barometer of the changes the culture is experiencing, or rather, the changes that the culture is inflicting On everyone else, because if Naomi Wolf is controversial now, to the point of being de-platformed, I don't know, eight times.
	If Glenn Greenwald, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, is maligned and marginalized.
	If ordinary entertainers, even like for example, take Jerry Seinfeld, is now sort of controversial.
	Admittedly because of a very particular issue, the conflict in the Middle East and him being a Jewish guy, it shows you that the culture is becoming, excuse me my dog's kicking off over there, the culture is itself becoming like a sort of a cannibalizing and peculiar corrupted institution that prevents communication, that supports and indeed solicits censorship.
	That facilitates surveillance and all of these things are covered in the conversation with Naomi.
	She's here to talk about her book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age.
	And believe me, by the time you've heard the conversation, the discussion about the pandemic period, censorship, immigration, you're going to have a clear idea of why her book's called that.
	Hmm.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, man.
	Tight.
	Sick.
	Let's go.
	Let's party now.
	I'm fine.
	Florida.
	Listen, I can wait.
	Nom nom nom.
	Yeah, yeah.
	She's supposedly here to hawk her book, though they don't really end up discussing it.
	Probably because it's been out since last November, I don't know.
	As for the other people he mentioned, everyone knows our feelings on Glenn Greenwald by this point, and Jerry Seinfeld.
	I mean, all I'm going to say there is that, again, it's not terribly surprising that Russell is rushing to the defense of a man who is a predator.
	Anyway.
	Yeah, Jerry Seinfeld's current wife.
	He dated her when she was in high school.
	There has been some reporting on Jerry Seinfeld's current, like, Jerry Seinfeld has been, has been described in some reporting, because we were kind of like, you know, keeping tabs on it, as previously controversy-free, non-controversial figure.
	Yeah, right?
	No, no!
	Pedophile!
	Pedophile!
	Pedophileman!
	That is like, It wasn't a rumor, it was a thing that happened and now they're married and it's a whole situation that just happened and didn't really affect him at all.
	Maybe the exact same age disparity?
	That Russell engaged in?
	Yeah, more or less, more or less.
	Yeah, Seinfeld was 17, Russell's was 16.
	But yeah, pretty much the same age gap.
	I thought she was 17 when they started dating.
	Okay, either way.
	Gross!
	Pretty much!
	So I'm like, okay, yeah, that makes sense.
	Okay, again, we're here.
	Woody Allen, Jerry Seinfeld.
	Okay, let's keep it up.
	Yeah!
	Ah, dear.
	Yeah, anyway, back to Naomi Wolf.
	I'm reluctant to get too much into the weeds on her biography as it's honestly not that interesting, but for anyone not in the know, Naomi Wolf was a prominent third-wave feminist writer cum journalist with books like The Beauty Myth, Fire With Fire, and later Vagina, a new biography.
	Now, she never studied journalism.
	Her bachelor's and doctorate are both in English literature, but nonetheless that's the field she wound up in.
	She was also a campaign advisor to both the Clinton and Gore presidential campaigns with specific aims to making the candidates appeal more to women.
	Let me see how that's...
	Shaken out.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I also commented a little bit about that on the Off-Brand episode, if you're curious.
	Now, a number of people might consider Naomi Wolf's turn to the conspiracy alt-right to have been around the pandemic when she started posting COVID conspiracies, but Well, there was an incident a bit before that, which we'll get to shortly, but also the seeds were there to begin with.
	In 2007, she wrote The End of America, Letter of Warning to a Young Patriot, which argues that the modern-day US government under Bush at that time paralleled steps taken in the early years of the world's worst dictatorships and called on Americans to take action.
	She went on InfoWars to discuss this book with Alex Jones in 2009.
	She also released Give Me Liberty, a handbook for American revolutionaries, which kind of served as an instructional piece on activism in America, while also looking at the times and places in history where citizens faced the closing of an open society and successfully fought back.
	Big emphasis on rights to speech in that one.
	In 2014, she spread conspiracy theories, including the belief that the beheading of two American journalists by ISIS was faked and staged.
	Sarah Deighton, in an article for the New Statesman in 2014, concluded, quote, And I'm inclined to agree with that assessment.
	it's not that Wolfe is a feminist who's degenerated into conspiracism, but instead that she's a
	conspiracy theorist who happened to fall into feminism first." And I'm inclined to agree with
	that assessment. - Also didn't understand feminism that great, really.
	We'll get to that as well.
	Her chauvinism is very specific.
	Very specific.
	Can I say, okay, before we get into this, I read Doppelganger a while back, and so Doppelganger is kind of using, it's Naomi Klein's book, That stems from her being kind of mistaken with and conflated with Naomi Wolf very frequently on Twitter to the point where she's like, she's got more than enough meat on the bone for a whole ass book.
	I really, really enjoyed it.
	I mean, and the thing is, is like, I've, I, like I said, I try to diversify my media diet that's also very much like from the left.
	Like, there are people that are like, I report for Bellingcat, and there are people that are like, ah, Bellingcat.
	And there's like, oh, Naomi Wolf's great.
	And, or not Naomi Wolf.
	Nope.
	I just did it.
	Naomi Klein.
	Naomi Klein's great.
	And, oh, it's like, oh, Naomi Klein doesn't go forward.
	Whatever.
	Like, it's like, oh, Lib, blah, blah, blah.
	She really, like, the book's awesome, and Mike just finished it, like, last week, so we've been finally talking, because, like, it's still a hot commodity on our Libby app, the free library app that you can read books on, that I encourage everyone get.
	This is not a plug that is in any way, it's a public library app.
	It's great, please use it.
	Available in the UK as well.
	Sometimes, yeah, that's right, sometimes you gotta wait.
	And then you can't have a conversation with your partner in the immediate, but it's really fun to listen to them listen to the book that you already enjoyed after the fact.
	I can detest to that.
	And this has already been a conversation topic in my home this week.
	That's so funny that, like, this is how it worked out.
	And yeah, that's great.
	Cool.
	Awesome.
	Yeah.
	That's why I was excited.
	I was like, well then, but also I'm really interested to see, because Steve Bannon was just on, I'm really interested to see how she's going to fare in this arena.
	Yeah, yeah, it is.
	It's definitely interesting, I'm gonna say that.
	Now, this new book of Naomi Wolf's, I have not read.
	My week has been a little bit slammed, but Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith, and Resistance in a New Dark Age goes pretty much exactly the way you'd think it would.
	In fact, here's a selected couple of pieces from the blurb quote.
	From New York Times, best-selling author Naomi Wolf, Facing the Beast is a devastating, detailed account of wrong-think, deplatforming, and an unexpected political, personal, and spiritual transformation that followed during one of the most divisive times in American history.
	Wolf Sin doing the job that good journalists once prided themselves on, asking questions, challenging authority and, during one of the most politically divisive moments in modern history, exposing the many failures of the public health response during the COVID-19 pandemic by chronicling the dangerous descent of our democracy into tyranny, censorship and totalitarianism.
	Unable to remain silent in the shadows and unwilling to collude with the mainstream, Wolf bravely covers topics that few other writers dare to address critically for fear of being de-platformed.
	Facing the beastics... I know!
	Facing the Beast explores reproductive rights, medical freedom, the uncurious thought policing of the progressive left, the Second Amendment, the criminal relationship between the FDA and Pfizer.
	Wolf's clear writing repeatedly shines light in the dark corners of our fractured society.
	For readers of Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, and Barry Weiss, There we go!
	I'm out!
	Facing the Beast is a fearless indictment of legacy media and the political class, as well as a brutal reminder that searching for and defending the truth can be dangerous.
	And it finishes with a quote here.
	Naomi Wolf is one of the bravest, clearest thinking people I know.
	The reason you hear the forces of repression so desperately trying to dismiss her is because she is right.
	Tucker Carlson.
	Unquote.
	Murderous rogue.
	Boo!
	Yeah.
	Boo!
	Okay, I do have to ask, too.
	So have you read Doppelganger?
	Have you gotten to it?
	No, no, I read an article about the whole situation a while back, which, very entertaining situation.
	But no, I haven't read the book, no.
	Okay, cool.
	I asked because I don't want to talk to only, like, people that have read the book in context, so if I say something that sounds a little, like, un...
	Well, my thoughts kind of start and stop whenever they want to anyway, and I do my best, but I just want to make sure that there's a voice in the room that's not already coming from a whole other source.
	In case it sounds referential, yes.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	That's what I would ask.
	Okay, cool.
	Also, reproductive rights, huh?
	Led with that?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Her position on that is, well, I'll do touch on it a bit later, but not great.
	Interesting.
	I knew it'd get buried with all the other stuff that she said.
	I'm like, I'm going to write that down.
	We're just going to beep boop.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It does seem an important kind of issue for feminism, you know.
	Anyway, let's get into the first question from Russell, which starts out a bit of a bramble.
	Hello, Naomi.
	Thank you so much for joining me for this conversation on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	I'm so happy to be here.
	Thank you for having me.
	Of course, we're here to talk about Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, your new and terrifyingly titled book.
	But firstly, if you'll indulge me, this is the image that came to my mind as I was coming to have this conversation with you.
	They say that when trying to understand dark matter or even discern its existence, they are able to observe how Other particles presumably affected by it have behaved.
	Using the analogy that if all of the billiard balls have scattered across the table in this manner, there must be some other billiard ball that is invisible to us, undetectable by us, but nevertheless must be there for these movements to have happened.
	And I was wondering if, like, A journalist like Chris Hedges or Glenn Greenwald are no longer regarded as champions of legacy media and if a feminist writer, if that's an appropriate title for you, is now regarded as a pariah and a comedian and an entertainer like myself has been marginalized
	What is the invisible billiard ball?
	What is this blob?
	What is this entity moving through the culture, scattering people that previously would have been darlings of certain aspects of, inverted commas, the liberal establishment?
	What are your thoughts of that phenomena, Naomi?
	Yeah, it's a great question.
	And I love the examples you've chosen, Mr. Brands, because Those are really, you know, all very, we all were establishing figures, right?
	We all thought this is it, you know, we've worked for decades and people know us, we're in the culture, we're part of the culture, we're leaders in the culture, right?
	Thoroughly respected.
	And then in a matter of really moments, you know, blink of an eye, we're all re-categorized into kind of cultural outer darkness.
	Paradoxically, I mean, the universe is pretty funny and comical because we're probably all having a bigger footprint with our audiences now than we did before we were ostracized.
	I don't know about that!
	Yeah, I'm not sure whether she means a larger audience or a larger pile of money, because I feel like maybe we're talking about a lot more money having veered over to that side of the aisle.
	The financial footprint.
	I mean, she might be using the RFK polling company to make these assessments.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, I mean, stretched analogy there from Russell, but okay.
	Tortured, some might say.
	We started theoretical physics and dark matter?
	Is that what's happening?
	Theoretical?
	Why?
	I think that's some Jordan Peterson influence coming through right there.
	That's what that is.
	I've solved it.
	Okay.
	Oh dear.
	So for Naomi Wolf, she's insistent that everything kind of happened in the blink of an eye for her in terms of that switching sides kind of phenomena that has occurred, which again I dispute based on people calling her out from at least 2014 and certainly before that as well, but let's hear what she thinks happened.
	So on one specific day, In June of 2021, I tweeted that women were starting to report, and this is eyewitness, women's eyewitness reports of their own bodies, right?
	Which, that is for a journalist, no better initial source, primary source report from an eyewitness.
	That they were having menstrual dysregulation and sometimes serious menstrual problems upon receiving the mRNA injection.
	So I literally tweeted that that was happening and that it required more investigation.
	Literally what I've been doing for 35 years.
	Overnight, there was this furore in the media, including publications, Mr. Brand, that I've written for for decades, like The Guardian.
	I was a columnist at The Guardian, like The Sunday Times of London.
	I was a columnist at The Sunday Times.
	You know, on and on and on.
	And also, overnight, I was deplatformed from all the social media platforms.
	And as I mentioned, my Wikipedia bio changed overnight in a uniform way, as you mentioned, with Conspiracy Theorist at the top.
	You know, all my honors, Rhodes Scholar, Defill from Oxford, you know, pushed way down.
	And every weird thing anyone had ever said about me was surfaced to the top, making me look like a crazy person.
	And then I just became non-person in the legacy media.
	My editors wouldn't let me, you know, they just ignored me, silenced me, but over and over, impressively, in a way, to me, when I was mentioned, it was as a crazy ghost, you know?
	And meanwhile, I continued to report this story into 2022, 2023, when Under my company's daily cloud and news sites, Aegis, 3,250 scientific and medical volunteers convened to read through the Pfizer documents.
	We broke story after story after story out of 450,000 documents released under court order that were internal Pfizer documents, showing that, indeed, that first tweet of mine was the start of a massive story Catastrophic impacts for humanity.
	In the Pfizer documents, the centerpiece was how to destroy human reproduction.
	And so when the White House de-platformed me, they already knew because Pfizer was giving the FDA and the CDC these reports.
	That Pfizer had made charts, spreadsheets, of women having, in their trials, in their studies, having horrific menstrual problems, agonizing problems, bleeding every day, bleeding twice a month, passing tissue, hemorrhaging, Disabling problems by the tens of thousands in each subject line on these charts.
	They knew they were destroying women reproductively and the Pfizer documents show exactly how they destroyed women and men reproductively.
	And now fast forward, predictably, we're looking at a 13 to 20 percent drop in live births in Western Europe and North America.
	So that's why I got silenced.
	Doesn't sound that deplatformed to me.
	And also, are they researching or are they not?
	Wait, did they not look into it?
	Are they not researching it?
	It's convoluted, isn't it?
	Like, oh, they had tens of thousands of people, but also they didn't test it on anyone.
	Well, that's interesting.
	And conflating it with a birth rate.
	Gal.
	Nah.
	So the Pfizer documents thing that she's talking about, think of it as like her Twitter files, basically.
	That's basically what we're looking at.
	And yeah, it was compiled into a book released alongside Steve Bannon.
	What was it?
	Early last year, I think it was, to do absolutely Zero effect.
	Because it's nonsense.
	It's making mountains out of molehills and completely misrepresenting all of the information within that.
	Dear book is nonsense.
	Yes, as is all of her reporting on this subject.
	And there are reasons for that that we'll get into and explore in a little bit.
	Is there a 13-20% drop in live births, by the way?
	No.
	There was a 4% drop post-pandemic, which was to be expected after the baby boom created by locking everyone indoors for a while.
	Of course, that theory does tie in very nicely to the idea that white birth rates are in decline, which she doesn't raise here, but it might become relevant in a little bit.
	Now, she just said that what happened was she was, you know, citing reports from women that they were having problems with menstruation, and that's what happened, and she got deplatformed overnight for that, for, you know, this excellent primary source of hers, which I'm assuming was someone on Twitter.
	The actual story seems to be a little bit different.
	So prior to it being owned by Elon Musk, of course, well, Naomi Wolf was kind of one of the many brains finally and properly broken by the pandemic, I think.
	I mean, it was headed in that direction, but I think we all heard her crack.
	I think 2021.
	I mean, the thing is, too, is like there were always signs if you know how to spot them, but also you have to really pay attention, especially when like content creators are prolific.
	If you have more haystack to hide a needle in as far as content goes, then it's, you know, it's harder to pin that person down as far as like, wait a fucking second.
	Yeah, it got pretty easy.
	In 2021, she told the U.S.
	Congressional Committee that vaccine passports would recreate a situation that is very familiar to me as a student of history.
	This has been the start of many, many genocides.
	Okay.
	And as the pandemic continued, she variously claimed that vaccines were a software platform that can receive uploads.
	And the best way to show respect for healthcare workers if you are healthy and under 65 is to socialize sensibly
	and expose yourself to a low viral load.
	So go out and get COVID everybody, you'll be great.
	So she's a herd immunity gal.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Okay.
	In the post that actually got her banned, she argued that vaccinated people's urine slash feces needed to be separated from general sewage supplies and waterways until its impact on unvaccinated people via drinking water had been established.
	That was the actual thing, it wasn't a menstruation thing, that was the one.
	The way she puts it, she was a credible, beloved denizen of the left until this moment.
	But in reality, she'd been receiving serious critique for a good decade by this point.
	So in 2012, Vagina A New Biography was much criticized, especially by feminist authors.
	Katie Roife called it ludicrous in Slate.
	Quote, I doubt the most brilliant novelist in the world could have created a more skewering satire of Naomi Wolf's career than her latest book.
	Unquote.
	Which, savage, I'm here for that.
	In Nation, Katha Pollitt called it a silly book containing much dubious neuroscience and much foolishness.
	It becomes loopier as it goes on.
	We learn that women think and feel through their vagina, which can grieve and feel insulted.
	Janice Turner in The Times wrote that, uh, since Mary Wollstonecraft, female writers have argued that women should not be defined by biology, yet Wolf, our self-styled leader, has declared that female consciousness, creativity, and destiny all come back to a woman's genitals.
	Uh, right.
	Um, Sounds like Phyllis Schlafly.
	Very Schlafly kind of approach to feminism.
	Yeah.
	Also hypocritical.
	I'm not thrilled.
	And somewhat more explosively, in 2019 Naomi Wolf released the book Outrages.
	The book was I would say well-intentioned, arguing that the British Obscene Publications Act of 1857 led to homosexual persecution in Britain getting worse, as well as examining the repression of homosexuality in relation to attitudes towards divorce and prostitution, and in relation to the censorship of books.
	And it was based on the 2015 doctoral thesis that she completed at Oxford University.
	Now, the book had been published for less than a month before she did an interview with the BBC in promotion of it.
	In that interview, live on air, broadcaster and author Matthew Sweet identified an error in a central tenet of the book, which was a misunderstanding of the legal term, death recorded, which Wolf had taken to mean that the convict had been executed, but in fact it means that the convict was pardoned or the sentence was commuted.
	He cited a website for the Old Bailey Criminal Court, which Wolfe had referred to in the interview as being one of her sources.
	So she was blindsided by this information that she absolutely should have known.
	Live on air.
	On October 18th, 2019, it became known that Houghton Mifflin Harcourt's release of the book in the US was being cancelled, with copies already printed and distributed being pulled and pulped.
	And in November 2020, Virago published a UK paperback edition of the book that removed the incorrect references to the execution of men for sodomy included in the hardback edition.
	Interviewed about the new edition, Matthew Sweet, the person who was talking to her for the BBC, said that the book continues to misread historical sources.
	Quote, Dr. Wolfe has misrepresented the experience of victims of child abuse and violent sexual assault.
	This is the most profound offense against her discipline, as well as the memories of real people on the historical record.
	Cultural historian Fern Riddle called the book a calumny against gay people in the 19th century and said that Wolf presents child rapists and those taking part in acts of bestiality as being gay men in consensual relationships, and that is completely wrong.
	The Daily Telegraph reported that there had been calls for Wolfe's 2015 doctorate to be re-examined and for Virago to withdraw the book.
	In a statement to the Guardian, Wolfe said the book had been reviewed by leading scholars in the field and it is clear that I have accurately represented the position.
	Oxford University stated that a statement of clarification to Wolfe's thesis had been received and approved and would be available for consultation in the Bodleian Library in due course.
	Then in March 2021, Times Higher Education reported that Wolfe's original thesis remained unavailable six years after it was examined.
	Oxford doctoral graduates can request an embargo of up to three years with the potential for renewal.
	The thesis finally became available in April 2021 with nine pages of corrections attached, dealing with the misreading of historic criminal records.
	Wolf had submitted the thesis to the archive in December 2020, more than five years after her doctorate was awarded, and had requested a one-year extension to the embargo period so that she could seek legal advice.
	The extension request was declined.
	So, now, in university teaching, outrage is used as an example of the danger of misreading historical sources.
	So, her already very passionate- I mean, that's her fame.
	Listen, that's her claim to fame.
	Work it.
	We say gish gallop.
	I am being taught in university courses.
	Gish gallop is a phrase!
	Gishes will live forever!
	So yeah, her already very patchy credibility was well and truly down the toilet after she did a very genuinely terrible job at researching for both her doctorate and this book.
	Famously at this point, bad at research, and she was dropped from her publishers for this reason.
	Is it a wonder that her editors maybe weren't returning her calls after this combined with COVID shit?
	And yeah, so the pandemic happened, she veered well and truly to the right, and now she's, you know, firmly on the Trump train, so that's great.
	Maybe we should adjust our attitudes towards owners of terminal degrees, and maybe that's not the long and short of it, you know?
	There was an episode a while back where we were making the argument.
	They were like, oh, go back to college.
	I was like, hey, I didn't finish college, and I didn't make any of these mistakes.
	I haven't, you know?
	College doesn't guarantee you're smart, and even if you spend a long time there, Yeah, she went to Yale, went to Oxford, right?
	You know?
	It's... yeah.
	Fat lot of fucking good it did her!
	Yeah, what concerns me is, like, had none of this happened, like, that thesis would have just kind of gone unchecked.
	I'm like, how did it get to this point?
	We should examine the veracity of appealing to authority as a logical fallacy, like as an argument fallacy, right?
	Maybe that's the case.
	Some might say there's a discussion to be had there on the basis of things like this.
	And we wonder why college degrees are devalued.
	Well, maybe because you can purchase them.
	If you buy them and show up, maybe that's it.
	Maybe we can blame Oxford University for that.
	Irony of all ironies.
	Now we get to how Russell and Naomi were taken down.
	All right, leaving that aside, I do now agree and believe that a lot of culture is manufactured.
	And I do agree with you that you and I were probably kind of allowed to surface in the ways that we did.
	I wouldn't say necessarily for nefarious, well yeah, for kind of big picture chessboard reasons of which we were unaware.
	The same way we were taken down, or you know, attempts were made to take us down in a way beyond normal criticism, right?
	Let's face it, like there were highly sophisticated deployments of opinion in social media and commentators in both of our cases trying to discredit us.
	I mean, in both cases, what actually happened was that Russell and Naomi received media coverage for the things they either said or did in Russell's case, and somehow this is a sophisticated deployment of opinion and social media and commentators rather than, you know, a lot of society saying, hey, you people are fuckheads, please go away now.
	There's nothing new about what happened.
	It's happened for decades, at least.
	Like, you did a bad thing, now go away.
	That's supposed to be the message.
	Centuries.
	Millennia.
	You were useful, and now you're not.
	Fuck off.
	Sorry you don't get to be at the forefront of infotainment, because you fucked up.
	Yeah.
	We all saw you fall on your face.
	And you were like, I meant to do that, and we're like, nope!
	That's the wrong thinking, Lincoln!
	Get out of here!
	Don't double down!
	Don't double down!
	Adjust!
	Yeah, there is nothing unique about this situation at all.
	Oh, they're so special.
	They're so special.
	Your way of thinking has been proven to be fundamentally flawed.
	You are no longer qualified for the job that they gave you.
	Yeah, talking to people.
	That's a thing you shouldn't really be doing anymore.
	Maybe you should have done that earlier.
	Then you wouldn't be in this pickle.
	This is amazing.
	Well, from here she elaborates on how she was in fact used by the globalists.
	So, I think that in my case, my work happened to fit A big picture attack on the family and kind of fetishization of female autonomy and critique
	Femininity, right?
	Traditional femininity that played into the hands of these kind of invisible globalists whose final kind of effort to destroy the family, destroy love, destroy sexuality, destroy seduction, destroy women in particular.
	So, I think I was an unwitting asset.
	My husband was in the intelligence community for many decades, and he's kind of taught me that often people don't know they're being used, right?
	They don't know they're useful.
	They have good intentions.
	They're good scholars or good business people or good whatever, but they are serving an agenda of which they are unaware.
	They're being promoted in ways in which they were unaware, and honestly, you know, my career was kind of Boom!
	Out of thin air.
	I was 26 years old.
	I was everywhere.
	I was so famous.
	And then for 35 years, I was so famous.
	You know, book after book after book.
	And you know, I'm talented.
	I'm a good writer.
	I'm a good researcher.
	But in retrospect, there was a lot that was probably not organic about that because I think these people needed a face for versions of feminism that then became horribly
	monstrosized.
	I didn't do it, but I probably inadvertently set the stage for it,
	which is what we've got now, where young women think it's selfish to have babies, or that it's
	objectifying themselves to wear a dress, or that they should never be nice to men because that's
	serving the patriarchy.
	And now, you know, we've got this catastrophic drop in successful heterosexual marriages, successful relationships between men and women.
	I never intended that.
	That wasn't part of my feminism.
	But I think that I may have been kind of ushered in to kind of prepare the way For many distortions of, uh, kind of girl power message.
	Okay.
	Um, so, so she hates the Spice Girls.
	She just came out hating the Spice Girls.
	I want everyone to take a note right now.
	Naomi Wolf says fuck the Spice Girls.
	Just in time for Pride season, thank you so much!
	This imaginary version of feminism she's saying is being pushed is, of course, a fictitious strawman argument.
	There's no other way to put that.
	And I'd be curious to ask what kind of feminism she has signed on to, because... Oh shit!
	On balance, it's not looking great.
	I mean, you know, to start with, she's having a chummy conversation with a serial sex offender.
	And, you know, she's on board with the assaulter-in-chief Donald Trump.
	She appears to veer away from political feminism to instead talk about the power of the vagina.
	And yeah, her stance on reproductive rights is, at best, patchy.
	She's pro-choice, but with many caveats, as she puts it.
	And still says that abortion is a bad and terrible thing that no one should do.
	Oh, and right after Roe v. Wade was overturned, she was doing the rounds in the media saying, eh, it's really not that bad, we'll be okay.
	So she's pro-choice, like RFK Jr.' 's anti-war.
	Tight.
	Good.
	Cool.
	Sick.
	I mean, she's doing Phyllis Schlafly-ism.
	That's straight up, exactly.
	And the thing is, one of Phyllis Schlafly's daughters is trying to do Phyllis Schlafly-ism.
	So, Naomi Wolf, you're appropriating.
	And again, Phyllis Schlafly, there's tons of media out there that has much better coverage than I could especially summarize or even necessarily address in off-brand.
	She's a hometown hero for me.
	In big quotes, I'm being sarcastic.
	She's proud to have called St.
	Louis home, and I don't even want to say Schlafly-ism, Because the Schlafly Brewery is an institution in St.
	Louis, and we're all very familiar.
	They had to legally- they fought a legal battle with her in order to- I had this conversation last week too, which is funny.
	So Schlafly, the family, divided- had to legally separate, so they could use the word for The brewery that they have.
	The series of breweries that they have at home.
	Wow.
	And so I'm not even going to say Schlaflyism, because they won the right to use the last name that she was fighting against, because, oh, alcohol, boo!
	And so I'm saying specifically Phyllis Schlaflyism.
	And John Birch Society.
	John Birch Society may not have even really Well, I mean, it's hard to say kind of what their impact would be otherwise without her, but she certainly, I mean, I think that single-handedly she can claim doing the legwork for striking down the ERA in America, and it is rich.
	To hear this woman, especially mentioning things like women being destroyed, like this kind of culminating plan of destroying women and how intelligence communities find unaware the most useful asset is one that does not realize they're an asset.
	She's mentioning specific subjects in off-brands.
	I have done.
	Let me tell you, we do not agree.
	Get your- get my ideas out your fucking mouth, gal!
	Not even my ideas!
	Like, not mine!
	I'm participating!
	I'm not owning!
	We're in a conversation!
	But come on!
	Like, this is- she's- I mean, she's hitting a lot of- she's- she's- She's doing a good job of what she's doing, that sucks.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	She's hitting all the right buttons, that's for sure.
	Now, Russell quite likes Naomi Wolf, that's the feeling I get.
	In fact, I'm quite sure he wants to impress her, at this point at least, because he keeps letting her talk for like seven to ten minute chunks, and that's unusual for him.
	He certainly didn't do that with Roseanne.
	But, of course, he does need to remind the world that this is not Stay Free with Naomi Wolf, this is Stay Free with Russell fucking Brand.
	So here is a four-minute bramble that is actually somewhat revealing of Russell's inner thoughts.
	I would like to just, yes, yeah, and I would like to say, before we get into, like, as far as what he likes and what his behavior dictates, because also I talked about this in the, I think two weeks ago, Off Brand, as far as, like, my stance Is whatever is advantageous or fortuitous in the moment, I'll just let it go.
	And I don't necessarily... I mean, there can be a number of things.
	If he doesn't have something smarter to say, he's not going to necessarily interrupt.
	And she's not in entertainment, so I don't think that it's the same kind of conversation.
	Less competitive.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	'Cause I don't know how much I see recognition and paying attention in his face while she's talking.
	And this is another layer that if you're listening and you're not watching, you don't get
	what Russell is kind of reacting to, what either host is reacting to,
	which to me, that's, I mean, I know that technically it's speculation, but I've been watching this dude listen
	for over a year now.
	So it at least gives me some information to work with.
	I'm interested to see if he finds, like, giving her space.
	I'm also just curious to see why, and I just, I, just as a blanket statement, like, liking her is, again, like, big asterisks with like, like, liking what she has to say?
	Yeah.
	Cool.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	It's the sense that I have gotten throughout the interview.
	But, you know, we'll watch it and you can say what you think.
	I also don't disagree, totally.
	Yeah, it's just like noticing the behavior is absolutely useful.
	And it's just putting it in greater context is all I'm talking about, yeah.
	Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	And even then, I could be wrong.
	But anyway, let's take a look where Russell goes with this.
	He could be gassy, we don't know.
	God, that's very brilliant and incredibly, what do I want to say, open-minded and spiritually agile to consider that because I like to insist that I'm brilliant and all this has happened because I'm brilliant but like you can see the utility, I'm thinking about what role I performed in the function, kind of a Revivification of the idea of hedonism, a kind of sexually charged androgyny, a trivialization of promiscuity.
	There were so many things.
	Also, as well, there were kind of preemptive moments, Naomi, where I sensed the culture was toxic in the places that most claimed to be pure.
	When I, you know, in the new ecclesiastical models, in the new media church, and ultimately I could only be heading towards that most pious of organizations here, the Guardian, because I remember when I first sort of spoke out about politics, which was so sort of I don't know.
	Vernacular and casual.
	I went on Jeremy Paxman's show Newsnight which is a sort of a UK version of 60 Minutes or something with a hard-hitting journalist who kind of defined the space in this country for a while.
	He was the one that would take down politicians with aggressive interviews and demand they told the truth and like on that show once I said like I've never voted and I would never vote and no one I grew up with votes because everyone just almost Institutionally regards politics as some irrelevant bagatelle that's not for them and doesn't make any difference to their lives and it caused such consternation and outrage and but I could tell but you know because social media was not where it is now but there was enough going on to recognize when you'd hit a nerve.
	That I was on to something and, fool that I was, I thought it was actually sort of about me because of my aforementioned tendencies towards self-regard.
	But like, what I subsequently noted is that It was organisations that you would regard as liberal that were the most ferocious, that were the most cruel, that were the most threatened, and it's revealing, it's revealing that you
	You perform a function in the culture when you are not useful for that function anymore, you have to be dispensed with.
	What's particularly interesting about your journey is in a sense you were always doing the same thing, but somehow the wind changed and a different role was required.
	I've heard it said before that the motivating idea behind many of these cultural movements is a kind of Gosh, it's a kind of a godslayer mentality that at its heart wants to remove all possibility of a universal principle and to place self, self, the most sort of like that, the most ugly incarnation of what self might be in a kind of deified role, practically a deity in so much as it ordains reality and there is no principle to countenance or obstruct
	Or overall the idea that what you want, i.e.
	the expression of your petty and trivial selfish desires, ought never be met with, diluted by, challenged by, or limited by ideas like community, grace, kindness, beauty, love, sacrifice.
	All these ideas are just cast out and instead of them this, I have to say, rather demonic idea of self-fulfillment And I can see why I, as a sort of the little addict that I, you know, to some degree still am, but God knows I'm working on it, like as a sort of a great Aurea Boris of consuming would be a useful celebrity, let's say in the way that perhaps some of your, you know, brilliant writing was temporarily useful.
	Fuck me.
	So, perhaps Russell was also a CIA asset or whatever of some kind is the conclusion we eventually reached there.
	Good lord.
	Get your words out, man.
	This is Babywinding Entitlement Central.
	Two pulling in the station.
	Both on very much the same tip there, that's for sure.
	Amazing!
	Yeah, and I play that clip partly to reiterate a point.
	Like, I spend a lot of time in these interview episodes cutting Russell's brambles down to size for the sake of our audience, but he is bad at this job.
	In this interview, he takes multiple five-minute rambling diversions rather than doing the job of interviewer and letting his guests speak.
	Was that the answer to her question?
	Um, she hadn't asked a question.
	No, well, I mean, was that referring to the things she had just said?
	Was that supposed to be... Ish.
	Ish.
	Because she was saying that she might have been a CIA asset, etc.
	Okay, what I'm asking is, the clip of her talking, this clip that he said happened right after that one?
	Yeah.
	Sequentially.
	Okay.
	Here's what I, okay, as far as liking someone, and being respectful, is listening to them, and respond, like, valuing their input, and then responding to what they said.
	And he like, kinda, tangentially, if you're extremely generous, Referred to some of the stuff she said?
	But most of it was like, he was straight, was like, you're right, me!
	Oh, me too!
	He said godslayer, implying they're the gods that were slain!
	That's amazing.
	Like, it's amazing.
	That's what I needed, I needed clarification, because it was like, those are two unrelated, virtually unrelated statements.
	Yeah, it's difficult to try and view life through the lens of one of the most narcissistic people on the planet.
	And yet so simple.
	Yeah, yeah.
	But yeah, very much came back to, oh, so you think you were used?
	What if I was used?
	You know, and I was an asset and that sent him down this little rabbit hole here.
	Good Lord.
	And also, like, the thing is convoluted as fuck because, like, at what point was he being used?
	Because you can really divide his career up into very separate segments.
	You know, you've got the slave to hedonism and whatever else kind of portion of it.
	You know, I mean, before that, you've got the, you know, addicted side of things.
	But, you know, Sex addict and all of that and, well, you know, all the crimes.
	And then, you know, you've got the kind of, you know, revolution Russell, you know, as he was talking about with the Paxman kind of stuff.
	I'm like, well, which part of it are you supposed to have been an asset of some description?
	You know, and he also mentioned that, you know, it was the liberal outlets that hated him so much when he was doing all of the kind of political side of things.
	That's amazing.
	A cursory Google will disprove that.
	Thank you so much.
	Reviews among the left were mixed because essentially what happened was you had the likes of, you know, sensible people like George Monbiot getting on board and being like, you know what, he's doing some good for politics.
	He's, you know, raising awareness at the very least, trying to, you know, at least He was interviewing Rainn Wilson a year ago!
	And then you had the other kind of side of the left that were like,
	this guy's a fucking idiot and doesn't know what he's saying.
	And he was interviewing Rainn Wilson a year ago.
	Whose fault is that?
	That's mainstream as shit.
	He had a huge podcast.
	And I'm sorry, that wasn't OAN.
	You weren't on Infowars, dawg.
	Like a huge podcast.
	Luminary.
	And I'm sorry, that wasn't OAN.
	You weren't on InfoWars, dog.
	No.
	Yeah.
	What?
	It's just, it's amazing to come to that conclusion.
	So yeah, if we're watching two people very upset, like, also genuinely, if a celebrity kind of, whatever type of influencer person that you had a platform that you had, you know, if you felt like you were a media darling or that you had this platform, and Consequently, kind of like, once the dust settles, you feel kind of used by this kind of media apparatus.
	That's an entirely valid conversation that is separate from the one they're having.
	I also am not here to invalidate their feelings at all of feeling used and feeling manipulated, because to a degree, Yeah, it is irresponsible of the legacy mainstream media not to further examine the people they're platforming and the people that they're praising, heaping praise upon, giving them very influential political appointments.
	That's a whole, that's a different conversation that they're not having.
	It is that smoke screen that they're using to be petulant, entitled children.
	Yes.
	Amazing.
	It's pretty incredible.
	Yeah.
	The level of narcissism from both directions in this is quite remarkable.
	So after the bramble, he finally gets to some kind of question.
	If I can say for a moment, one of the things I liked while looking at Wikipedia and having to scan through the bits where it says you're a conspiracy theorist and not to be trusted, I like it that you once spoke out about some of those ISIS beheading videos and the quote that's in all fairness given on the Wikipedia page suggests that you were applying a level of journalistic integrity that remains important and necessary.
	Are you aware of the quote I'm talking about, Naomi?
	And the story that I'm talking about?
	I am, but I can't confirm anything that Wikipedia quotes because, you know, it's so long ago and a lot of it doesn't sound like me.
	But anyway, what I did say, and I'll stick to it, is that those ISIS beheading videos were simply not verified.
	It wasn't saying they weren't true.
	I wasn't saying they were not true.
	I was saying they were from a single source.
	And I'm an old-fashioned journalist who was trained that it's just one source and not a confirmed source.
	It's not fact yet.
	You need two confirmed sources for something to go on the record journalistically.
	And so that's really important as it turns out that I recognized that drumbeat at that time as we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria, we've got to invade Syria.
	The Western powers have to.
	And there were all these atrocity stories, true or not true, we didn't know.
	And then it turns out that most of them came from one source, which turned out to be a corrupted source with ties to the intelligence agency.
	So I was right to question it.
	Of course, no one ever goes back and adds to Wikipedia, you know, and Naomi was right to make sure that the sources were confirmed before we sent
	soldiers to fight dirty wars, you know, dirty undeclared wars.
	No one listened to me.
	They sent soldiers to fight dirty undeclared wars and people got killed in Syria.
	They should have listened to me.
	I would have stopped it.
	Yeah, fuck me, the Hoovers.
	Yeah, no one ever updates Wikipedia to see whether someone was correct on something.
	Okay.
	Again, Naomi Wolf is not trained in journalism, and she is famously bad at research.
	Okay, wait, wait, wait.
	I want to talk about the training thing, right?
	Because, like, your degree And then if you, like, you can have a degree and then you can get a job journalism-ing as a person, like, okay, right?
	Like, especially, like, if she's trained in writing and literature and she has experience writing, let me tell you, the pain in the pit of my stomach I feel every time I have to put an episode together myself and write it is how much training I don't have and wish I did.
	I wish I could plug in, like, the Venture Brothers.
	I could just learn.
	Oh, instead of doing it, like, cobbling through the wilderness the hard way?
	Boy, I'd love training and have time to do that.
	Wow.
	So, yes, that's an element to make a foundation for journalism.
	Specifically, that's why editors matter for publications, because they Enforce journalistic integrity and journalistic, you know, editors and lawyers really, they ensure that there are standards that are adhered to so you can absolutely learn through experience what to do with
	Journalism correctly.
	Like, how to do a journalism responsibly.
	That is entirely reasonable.
	She's not doing that, and she's getting defensive and finding reasons to discredit people that are trying to tell her you're doing it wrong.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	When she was denying the reality of the ISIS beheadings back in 2014, she not only questioned their authenticity, but suggested that they had been staged by the US government.
	She went on to query whether ISIS victims and their parents were in fact actors.
	That's a big claim.
	That's a big claim.
	Big ol' swing.
	From there, Naomi Wolf wrote on Facebook, because of course it was Facebook, quote, for the record, sigh, internet land, I am not calling into question the authenticity of the ISIS videos.
	I don't know if they are authentic or not.
	No one can, because no one that I am aware of has found a second source for them.
	I am not making any assertions or drawing any conclusions.
	I am just engaging in journalism which requires two independent sources before you can post or publish something as true.
	I wonder why this bears so much repeating.
	It used to be something all journalists abided by."
	She said that the media was ignoring journalistic red flags, in that the sole source of the videos had been Cite, S-I-T-E, which is run, according to her, run by an anti-Muslim activist with half a million dollars in U.S.
	funding in 2004.
	In fact, the videos were actually widely distributed on open-source jihadist online outlets, and the Maryland-based non-profit site monitors extremist social media.
	And so, if all of the journalism outlets are then referencing, oh, this responsible place, as she thinks that that's just the one-source Right.
	It's like it's like all the videos that are like on telegram right now from like I actually even on TikTok from like IDF soldiers doing like extremely awful callous things and thinking it's cute and funny.
	Yeah, like one person talking about All of those videos that are, it would be open source journalism that is keeping them on Telegram and reporting them, but saying, oh, this one, like discrediting this one person that says that, that is reporting on it.
	Like, well, because it's one source when it's not one source, it's open source.
	So it can be verified because it is other places and could also, like, there's a lot of reporting that could have happened there if she wanted to do it.
	Yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	And there were plenty, plenty of sources, but it was easier to ignore them all and then forward a conspiracy theory about the whole situation where everyone was actors and it was staged by the US rather than, oh, people were killed.
	This is serious.
	No, no, no.
	No, no, no.
	Oh, dear.
	At least she's also smug.
	That's tight.
	Yeah!
	Yeah, that makes it easier to take down.
	So from here, she starts discussing a trend of like creating fear in order to convince the public to go along with something.
	So like manufacturing consent, right?
	And then gets into a conversation about sourcing.
	Great!
	You've got this pattern over and over and over, and people really need to be sophisticated readers of media now, which is what I was trying to teach them to be, to understand you need to question the sourcing for every shock horror story you're being told by the government, by the media, because if you don't have two good sources, You need to be suspicious.
	And the last three or four years, Mr. Brand, of the pandemic are such a great example of that.
	All these horrifying, terrifying stories turned out to be predicated on lies and nonsense.
	And if people had raised more questions earlier about the sourcing for things like the COVID map that the Office of National Statistics in Britain was showing on every major news site in England to drive people into lockdowns and, you know, not seeing their neighbors, not having a cup of tea with their neighbors in their garden, businesses closing, you know, forced, coerced injections, essentially, that are now killing and sterilizing and disabling British people.
	You know, if they'd asked the questions I asked at the Office of National Statistics, where can we see the data sets?
	There are no data sets.
	They don't make the data sets public.
	You can't see them.
	They were doing things like holding back the machine counting over holidays and weekends in Britain so as to create an artificial spike if you had Christmas with Grandma.
	Oh look, you've infected Grandma.
	Grandma's going to die now.
	That was totally fake!
	No one in Britain realized it at the time and the media was completely conflicted.
	Um, you know what?
	She's not wrong.
	Not about the COVID thing, that's entirely and completely made-up bullshit, but she's not wrong about the sourcing thing.
	There should, ideally, be multiple, verified, legitimate, trustworthy sources for information if it's to be reported on as accurate.
	It's something I try to adhere to wherever possible for this show, for instance.
	I only wish she would apply this same standard to any of the things that come out of her mouth, because, literally, none of that was true.
	Yeah, I mean, the thing is, is like speaking, like saying it authoritatively.
	Man, it sounds a lot like she knows what she's talking about.
	Like really.
	Doesn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It does.
	Yeah.
	Oh, there are no data sets.
	Okay.
	Uh-huh.
	Uh-huh.
	Why would you say what?
	Why?
	Explain where, how did you learn that?
	How did you find that out?
	I'd be so interested.
	And if I were Russell, I'd ask a question.
	Please cite your sources.
	I would love to learn more.
	How did you find that out?
	I could be friendly.
	I could be friendly about it.
	That's fascinating.
	Please tell me.
	I'm sure my listeners would love to know.
	How did you find that out?
	How did you come to that conclusion?
	Okay, all right.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, um, good lord.
	Anyway, so from here, Russell starts to talk about division in the culture, and I've plucked this clip from one of his five-minute brambles.
	We are seeing, but it is disguising itself, the real-time opposition and attempt to constrict, control, and break down what would otherwise be, it seems to me at least, a momentum towards decentralisation, more liberty, greater communication, transparency, clarity, ability for self-governance, ability for demonopolisation, media, intercommunication, new alliances. As that potential
	is felt, what we're witnessing is the creation of new categories like misinformation, malinformation,
	disinformation, manufacture of surveillance, legitimization of different types of
	social credit score and citizen management techniques and I would say kind of smoke bombs continually
	being dropped in the culture that might mean that when any two human beings meet, they enter
	into that.
	That pact or that what could be a good faith interaction we've loaded with, oh I wonder what this person thinks about trans issues?
	I wonder what they think about racial issues?
	Is this person an opponent of mine?
	They're sort of creating of a sort of an insidious mistrust at the most basic social level and I yeah I mean I guess that wasn't a question that was an announcement.
	Forgive me.
	Yeah, well done for acknowledging that.
	So, in Russell's mind, there could be a good faith interaction between two people if we weren't too busy being told to consider whether who we're talking to is racist or transphobic or whatever.
	I don't know about you, Lauren, but for me, that's pretty much always been a dealbreaker.
	Like, if I'm talking to someone and they suddenly start saying racist or transphobic shit, that is a conversation I am promptly leaving unless I am in the mood to push back on any of it.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	There's degrees.
	Listen.
	Yeah, there's degrees.
	There is a an awareness degree.
	Sure.
	And there's a Wow.
	What?
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, like at QED last year.
	I think I remember telling you this story when a little old lady came up to me and a friend and tried telling us that all Sri Lankan restaurants were actually fronts for money laundering.
	We both just kind of went, whoa, okay, and then escaped that conversation as soon as we were able.
	I mean, another situation where I'm like, Tell me more!
	She did elaborate on that point.
	It was because of what was in her specific little hometown.
	Every time she went past the Sri Lankan restaurant, nobody was in there and therefore all Sri Lankan restaurants are fronts for money laundering.
	It was fun.
	At a skeptics conference, that was an interesting conversation to be having.
	Sure.
	Oh, dear.
	Anyway, if we weren't being told to be mindful of it, then we would actually just be fine with other people's bigotries.
	That's what Russell is getting at here.
	Oh, dear.
	The thing is, I am.
	I'm fine with it, if you're honest.
	I'm not fine with it, okay?
	I'm using a device, right?
	I'm saying like, oh, tell me.
	Tell me exactly what you think.
	Yeah.
	You let us all know, and then we get to make the decision I get to make the decision personally as like, does that comport with my ethics and morals and the way that I want to interact with the world?
	That's my personal decision.
	YouTube's decision, Twitter's decision, that's their decision that they are allowed to make when you sign the terms of service, that they can kick you off if you are making it difficult for them to court and maintain ad revenue from companies.
	And if you are saying things that are fucking shit up enough, You can't fuck with their bag, and both of these people know this.
	And I do think that he's on board with her in a way that, like, he is jiving with what she's saying.
	And I think he's kind of desperate to have anything – I think he's aware, even if it's like a – again, if it was just a facade thing, like, oh, you're not a white guy.
	I can use this.
	It's the exact same reason that Steve Bannon Like, Steve Bannon finds her useful, and I'm sure that Russell is like, Aha!
	You're not a white guy!
	This is great!
	Cool, cool, cool!
	Snagged one!
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Speaking of messing with the bank, Russell finally settles on a question, and specifically he wants to discuss war, but Naomi Wolf, well, she wants to talk about something else.
	I suppose what we could pursue is that when you talked about the legitimisation of war, we are, I think, seeing now with both the Ukraine-Russia conflict and escalating events in the Middle East, the potential for dissent and the difficulty in creating a sense of broad domestic support for those kind of conflicts.
	Do you agree with that assessment?
	Do you think it's becoming harder for America to be involved in wars that don't
	directly affect American people?
	Well, there's definitely a, I mean, first of all, I want to say I agree with you that there's a
	systematic effort because of the implications of the internet and other forms of communication
	in allowing us to be empowered with knowledge from the grassroots level up and create new
	institutions that kind of fly past the gatekeepers.
	For sure, it's a race right now, right?
	It's a race against time.
	As these grassroots efforts grow and proliferate, we make new institutions.
	The bad guys are definitely trying in very scary ways.
	I mean, I worry about Britain and Europe, you know, Western Europe all the time.
	Very scary ways to cut that off.
	And the race is toward, as you say, central bank digital currency, social credit scores, you know, speech laws in Ireland, in France.
	Britain, the cradle of free speech, the cradle of democracy, having shocking restrictions on speech.
	I'm actually due to either appear or be live streamed on June 11th at one of your courts because Ofcom, your media watchdog, has taken action against Mark Stein.
	A commentator whose show appeared in Britain on GBTV, as I understand, because I had told Mark Stein about what was in the Pfizer document, and so Britain got to hear about the reproductive damage, and the Pfizer documents all cracked down on him and his show.
	And, you know, this is Britain, and we didn't, in the complaint, it doesn't say Dr. Wolf said anything that wasn't true.
	It said what she said could cause distress and offense.
	So that's the state of free speech in Britain right now.
	You know, you have to defend it in a court of law against the government, essentially.
	Okay, so Ofcom are an independent media watchdog.
	I have spoken about them before.
	They're not the government.
	They're independently funded, etc, etc.
	And the only reason that this is ending up in court is because Mark Stein, who was presenting GB News, had Naomi Wolf on his show, and he wasn't happy with Ofcom's verdict, so he's taking them to court.
	That's why it's in court.
	For a clearer picture of what happened, I'm just going to read from the Ofcom complaint directly.
	Quote, An Ofcom investigation has found the Mark Stein program, which first aired on GB News on 4th of October 2022, in breach of our broadcasting rules.
	The program included an interview between presenter Mark Stein and a guest, Dr. Naomi Wolf.
	During the interview, Naomi Wolf made serious claims about the COVID-19 vaccine, including that its rollout amounted to a premeditated crime, mass murder, and was comparable to the actions of doctors in pre-Nazi Germany.
	Ofcom received 422 complaints that alleged that these comments were dangerous and included misinformation that went unopposed.
	It is important to stress that in line with the right to freedom of expression, broadcasters are free to transmit programs that include controversial and challenging views, including about COVID-19 vaccines or conspiracy theories.
	However, alongside this editorial freedom, the Broadcasting Code imposes a clear requirement that if such content has the potential to be harmful, the broadcaster must ensure that its audience is adequately protected.
	Our investigation concluded that GB News fell short of this requirement by allowing Naomi Wolf to promote a serious conspiracy theory without challenge or context.
	For example, through other contributions in the program or by the presenter who appeared to support many of her comments.
	There was also no scrutiny of the evidence she claimed to hold to support her claims.
	We also took into account that the program presented Naomi Wolf as a figure of authority with particular knowledge and expertise in the safety of the COVID-19 vaccines.
	We consider this would have lent credibility to her unchallenged claims.
	Of particular concern was her significant and alarming claim that mass murder was taking place through the rollout of the COVID-19 vaccinations, which she repeated three times.
	We found that the comments made by Naomi Wolf had the potential to impact viewers' decisions about their health and were therefore potentially harmful.
	Given that GB News did not take adequate steps to protect viewers of this potentially harmful content, we have found the channel in breach of Rule 2.1 of the Broadcasting Code.
	This is the second significant breach of the code recorded against GB News, and in light of this, we are requesting that GB News attends a meeting with Ofcom to discuss its approach to compliance.
	Unquote.
	So, Naomi Wolf thinks she should just be able to say whatever the fuck she wants on British television whilst being portrayed, by the way, as Dr. Naomi Wolf, asserting... Oh yeah!
	Yeah!
	Yeah!
	Asserting that mass murder is happening akin to the likes of the Holocaust due to the COVID-19 vaccines.
	Thankfully, we don't have quite the same tolerance for bullshit over here, and Mark Stein fucked around and found out.
	GB News are on their second violation of Ofcom's rules and are under investigation for the fourth time at the moment, I believe it is.
	And possible sanctions for repeat offenses include fines, shortening or even taking away the channel or station's license to broadcast.
	So they could get shut down if they carry on.
	Uh oh.
	That's funny.
	That's funny.
	That's what actually happened there.
	If I was a person that thought my shit did not in fact stink, and everybody else's did actually, and how dare you try to correct anything I say.
	And then I go to the UK and say the same thing that I would say in America on TV.
	Yeah, I think I'd be in for a rude awakening as well.
	Maybe you shouldn't make excuses as to why people are disagreeing with you that are not actually the reason, because you're just making... Naomi?
	Sis, you're just making excuses as why you don't have to listen to them, not why they're not right.
	You're not explaining enough as to why everyone should not take them seriously.
	You're finding a reason for yourself to disregard that.
	That doesn't make the rule go away.
	You can complain all you want.
	Pretty much.
	You gotta follow the rules to be on TV in the UK.
	That's just a thing you have to... You're not an exception.
	You're not a special, unique snowflake flower that can just do whatever you want.
	Sorry!
	Yeah, yeah, it's on her and it's on GB News for not, you know, pushing back in the slightest and in fact signing on to all of it.
	You're like, okay, well, there we are.
	They got themselves in the sanction problem.
	Listen, you have to follow the rules.
	Follow the rules.
	Yep, yep, we have them.
	There are legal mechanisms that can and will take place if you continue.
	There we are.
	And there's a lot of stuff, listen, there's a lot of stuff that I've seen said on the BBC in the past couple of months.
	There's a lot of room There's a lot of room to play around in, and you can say a lot of bullshit.
	Yeah, we might not have a codified constitution unlike you, but free speech is still taken pretty seriously over here.
	There's a lot that gets said on the television that is Awful and horrifying.
	Anyway, from here Naomi Wolf decides to pivot into a slightly spicier subject.
	But having said all of that, There is an effort to divide us for sure.
	And so to the United States and the effort to get the U.S.
	to support war, people are seeing, these things are all related, people are seeing in Western Europe and in the United States the impact of the globalist effort to shatter our cultures with mass illegal immigration.
	from many places around the world that don't have a memory or a history of democracy, women's equality, and civil rights.
	And I am the daughter of an immigrant, the granddaughter of immigrants.
	I believe in legal immigration.
	This is not a racist thing I'm saying, but you can't have a democracy with open borders.
	You can't have a democracy in which non-citizens You know, flooding the country against the laws can't.
	It's not possible by definition.
	And so, and you can't have a culture if the people are coming in from so many different places so quickly that they can't get acculturated to what it means to be American, or what it means to be British, or what it means to be French.
	And that is, again, not a racist thing to say.
	Cultures are precious, right?
	And Western cultures are also precious.
	I'm not saying they're, you know, better in every way than every other culture, but Liberty, democracy, human rights, these took centuries to develop as a social consensus in the West.
	And intentionally, the globalists are flooding my country and your country with people from Uzbekistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, no history or memory of democracy.
	And these injections are killing and disabling the people who do have those memories so that, as Ed Dowd said, You know, who's bringing forth these data sets of people being disabled and dying, wait five years, and you're going to have a completely different demographic with a different institutional memory in Western Europe and North America, in which the globalists can just roll out their neo-feudalism because the people who remember democracy, freedom of speech, human rights, women's rights, equality, accountability, transparency, will be gone or too sick to fight.
	She says it wasn't racist twice.
	She said it.
	Twice, so that must mean it's true.
	Obviously it's not racist.
	Get out of jail free.
	This isn't racist.
	Oh, job done.
	Bye.
	Nevermind.
	Thanks.
	Thanks for clarifying.
	Because I said so.
	Don't look at the content or the implications of anything I'm saying, which also, okay, the countries that she specifically- My grandparents were immigrants, I can't be racist, you know?
	She's telling you, she's like, I don't think it's racist, because I don't listen to anybody that tells me it's racist.
	So she specifically mentioned countries that were previously under the USSR.
	So I would like to support my thesis that she is Phyllis Schlafly-ing, because that is a specific anti-communism dog whistle.
	So antique, okay.
	So she knows her stuff as far as Vintage.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's a, it's a well aged point to make because anybody else, she knows better than to say Mexico.
	She knows better than to say Mexico and Latin America because she knows that that's, that's what the mean guys say.
	So she's going to say, like, she's going to say like.
	Respect.
	Previously communist countries, and then also Afghanistan.
	She's hitting her expertise marks, I think, in that way, as far as the war, which I don't, nah girl, also know.
	She's making that particular John Birch Society-ass, McCarthyism-ass dog whistle.
	So she knows where she's coming from.
	She's Phyllis Schlafly-ing.
	Clever girl!
	Sneaky!
	Obviously, you know, she's all in on the Great Replacement Theory, right?
	Everything else is- Fuck me.
	Also, holy shit!
	This is off the deep end, because she's all in on the Great Replacement Theory, right?
	So the idea that the globalists, read as Jews in most contexts, are flooding the world with
	brown immigrants to destabilize democracies and ultimately replace the whites.
	Only she's taken it a step further in coupling it with the notion that the COVID-19 vaccine is destroying and disabling the native white people's memories, which means we'll all just go along with it because we won't know any better anymore because no memory.
	Yeah, I couldn't even engage with the like ahistorical stuff.
	I would, I'd lose my mind.
	I was, I couldn't, I'm like, I was like, noted, Gotta move past it.
	Like, okay, also, dumb, wrong, bye.
	There was a lot of dumb, wrong, bye, so I could continue to listen to what she had to say.
	Good night.
	It does not stop there, because next she takes this conspiracy theory to the next level.
	Absolutely.
	We're looking in the U.S.
	at 12 to 16 million people having illegally come in over our borders.
	They're mostly fighting H-Men.
	They're mostly being positioned in staging areas around the country in group housing, given every kind of support and benefit.
	And we're really worried about this being a military operation, right?
	And same thing is happening in Western Europe.
	And we're looking at our veterans waiting six months to get an appointment.
	For PTSD.
	We're looking at our own kids having pathetic educational opportunities, joblessness.
	Why is that?
	And we're really thinking, okay, enough of this.
	I mean, that's why Trump is doing so well.
	You know, we're going to take care of ourselves.
	We're going to close our borders.
	We're going to look after our own people.
	It's not our war, right?
	We have our own war to fight at home.
	And I think that's happening in Western Europe as well.
	And it's the rise of the right thing.
	But if the alternative to the right-wing parties is kind of the EU suspending all of your autonomy and rights as subject people with no accountability, which it turns out is what the EU is all about.
	Diplomats deciding what happens in your country and you get no say in your community, no say, no real democracy at all.
	I'm not surprised that right wing nationalist entities are rising up and a lot of them are making a lot of sense.
	She knows who she's talking to.
	She knows who she's talking to.
	The EU stuff I'm going to address a little later, because it does come back up.
	But otherwise, the claim that's being made here is that tens of millions of military-age men are being brought in, stationed around the country in sensitive staging areas, as she puts it, and they're being housed there in barracks and being given every sort of benefit that could possibly be afforded to them.
	Wait, say that again.
	Hold on.
	Say that again?
	What?
	Tens of millions of military-age men are being brought in, stationed around the country in sensitive staging areas, as she puts it, and they're also being housed there in barracks and being given every kind of benefit that could possibly be afforded to them.
	That's the claim that she's currently making.
	That's the immigration situation that she's describing?
	That's what's happening.
	Yes, that's happening right now.
	In America?
	In America, yeah.
	We're going to get more into it, I promise.
	But yeah, that's the claim that's being made.
	Which, fucking insane.
	I mean, big swing.
	I like the big swing.
	I mean, I'm here for that.
	Okay.
	Okay, girl!
	Let her cook, I guess!
	Jesus!
	I will say, as for most immigrants into the U.S.
	being men, according to the U.S.
	government about 51% of all U.S.
	immigrants in 2022, for instance, were female.
	So 51%.
	So, the share has fluctuated slightly over the past four decades, but immigrant women and girls tend to slightly outnumber men and boys.
	They accounted for 53% of the immigrant population in 1980, 51% in 1990, 50% in 2000, and 51% in 2010.
	51 in 1990, 50% in 2000, and 51% in 2010. So the idea that it's, you know, "Oh, it's mostly men,
	and they're all military age and everything." Okay, the statistics disagree.
	Let's put it that way.
	Kind of shakes out to population distribution in general.
	In general!
	Yes, it does.
	Yes, it does.
	Oh, okay, so it's people.
	It's people!
	People are coming here!
	Families?
	Well, well, she has some feelings on that specifically.
	Sinister.
	So, Russell responds here, and he agrees.
	He signs on to Wolf's statistical inaccuracy here, but offers at least a feigned opposing perspective.
	I feel that when we, what we're discussing is control and the ability to manage citizens, creating various areas of potential discourse that you cannot discuss is a very useful way, along with the category of conspiracy theorist, of preventing even speculation on a subject as potentially explosive as that which you
	have just outlined, which like is a controversial subject isn't it on online spaces,
	replacement theory, and yet further to you know observe all that these are mostly males, which is
	a sort of something that people have commonly observed about immigration and I suppose the more
	neutral, should we say, if you can even use a word like neutral now, a take on that would be well
	those are the people that would come looking for opportunities for work.
	It's not true.
	Go on.
	I'm sorry, am I interrupting?
	No, it's... A bit, but like, you're so interesting, I'd rather, like, it's not often I say that I'd rather listen to you than myself, but I'll say it today, I would rather listen to you, but just let me finish the thought, but please pick up on that, that what I've just said is inaccurate in terms of, oh, the assumption will be an economic or social economic one, that... Yeah, um...
	Yes, you are interrupting, and now I'm going to keep talking.
	I do think there is a list.
	I mean, that was fine.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now, in Russell's bramble that follows comes a direct endorsement, because he goes off for a while from here.
	I bet.
	Down a couple of little avenues.
	Winding up.
	Yeah, and we get a direct endorsement in this one.
	So I'm interested also in the idea that as, you know, various sort of members of what would have once been the intelligentsia, glitterati, or, you know, whatever category I once belonged to, are sort of bumped off by the sort of the cancelling and deplatforming culture.
	There's this potential new consensus that might say, you know, the unthinkable, unsayable heresy that, wow, if you are interested in democracy, maybe you have an obligation to vote for Trump.
	Rather than Biden, because this sort of banalizing, bureaucratic, Huxley-esque, nightmarish, aggregating, accumulating control in order to protect you for your safety and convenience vision of politics is more terrifying than the rather sort of caricatured, you know, 20th century atavism of a sort of a strongman.
	That's not so fucking frightening as what's being proposed and what's being moved towards.
	Ooh, he's swearing.
	He doesn't usually swear all that often on his show.
	Anyway, if you're pro-democracy, then vote Donald Trump, apparently.
	Vote for the guy who wants to be a dictator and who tried to initiate a coup to steal the 2020 election, because that is a vote for democracy.
	Oh, boy, I'm not surprised.
	But but there we are.
	Okay, also, if he wants to categorize himself as what he used to be, reality show Barnacle is what I got.
	So if he wants to If he's open to suggestions.
	Hanging off the bottom of the barrel is how he got to where he was.
	We can put him under that.
	Fakely greasy looking chap who got married to Katy Perry.
	I don't know, there's a lot of perspectives.
	Barnacle might still apply to a lot of those scenarios.
	Yes!
	Greasy Barnacle, there we go.
	Anyway, when Russell is finally done, he returns to the talk about replacement theory.
	So I wonder if you could pick up on my misconception and mischaracterisation of the nature of this immigration around gender and working age and unpack some of that other stuff.
	Oh, sure.
	Yeah, no, I wasn't saying that you're wrong.
	I was saying people who say, oh, it's normal to have military-age men with military haircuts, whose clothing all seem to come from the same place, who all have the physique of soldiers, pour into your country and mine.
	That is not normal.
	Again, I've read a ton of history.
	I know the history of my own family's waves of immigration to the United States.
	And I've been in conflict areas and refugee camps around the world, and I've seen, you know, refugees, they don't look like this.
	They come in families.
	Or, like my grandpa, they wait six years and work to bring their families in legally so that they can be Americans or British or, you know, whatever it is they want to be.
	Hang on, she just said it.
	Like, I mean, for the record, right, if we're looking at exclusively the percentage of unauthorized immigrants in the US, 54% are male, right?
	Specifically of the unauthorized contingent.
	But also, why was her grandpa able to come in for six years before bringing his family over, but the brown people are not?
	Me or not thee?
	Duh!
	We only want the good ones!
	What is this military haircut shit?
	Like, for real?
	I know!
	They all have military physiques, military haircuts.
	Well, they don't.
	Honey, they don't.
	And the haircut is called, like, as far as my personal anecdotal experience, the haircut is called the Edgar Show.
	Some respect, ma'am.
	Thank you so much for the majority of people that are coming into America that are looking for a better life.
	What?!
	Military haircuts?
	Gal, flash a photo on the screen.
	I mean, I don't listen to the War Room, I don't listen to what she says to Steve Bannon, right?
	So that's a new one.
	Military haircuts?
	I've heard military-aged men.
	Haircuts?
	Come on.
	And clothing.
	Their clothing all seems to be from the same place.
	All of these millions of men.
	They all look exactly the same.
	The thing is, like, a military haircut, I mean, you could just mean a buzz cut.
	Exactly!
	That could be the case for, like, you could have a buzz cut for a lot of practical reasons.
	A lot of very practical reasons.
	Short, because it's hot!
	Maybe they come from places where it's hot, and they have to work in the heat, and there are states that are enforcing laws that say that you can't drink, take a break to drink water.
	Maybe they're being forced, maybe they're forced to stay in places where there are fucking lice, so they try and keep their hair short.
	I mean, historically, absolutely, yeah.
	Oh dear.
	Anyway, she finishes forming the theory in this next clip.
	They, you know, if you look at people pouring in, I'll stick to my country because I haven't looked at the streams of immigrants into Britain or Western Europe as carefully, but in our country, the people who are flowing in, there are no disabled people.
	There are no elders, like none, right?
	There are pretty much no babies.
	There are childbearing women.
	Everyone's very fit.
	They don't carry luggage.
	They are having, and I did original recording on this and broke this story, there's a three-country staging area south of the United States that the combination of the UN and our own State Department has put together to solicit, support, feed, shepherd, ferry, transition, and then bus and fly these millions of people ...of military age and military demeanor to certain incredibly sensitive areas around the country.
	O'Hare Airport in Chicago, Boston Logan in Boston, and then to house them, which has never happened before in the history of U.S.
	immigration.
	Not my grandparents, not my dad, never did the government give anyone from anywhere, let alone descendants of enslaved people in our country, Um, free group housing in barracks-type accommodations, and that's what you're seeing in the United States.
	And again, my husband is a former, you know, military intelligence, and he points out that these newcomers march in cadence, and they stand at parade rest, and there seems to be like, Officers, from whom they're taking direction, if you analyze the videos of people coming in.
	So, it's incredibly concerning because if it's the UN doing it, which it is, and the State Department, then what you've got is, again, reasoning backward, reasoning backward it looks like an invasion.
	Oh, there it is!
	She's turned me into Lil Jon.
	I'm so sorry, everyone.
	No, you're, what is correct?
	That is, what the fuck?
	I'm upset with myself for having a more pronounced reaction to this, like, she's just lying more.
	But this is a personal, like, this subject hits home literally and figuratively for me.
	And it's very fucking challenging to listen to.
	It's very hard.
	And I know it hits home for a lot of our listeners and friends that have been listening for a long time.
	Absolutely understand that there are chainsaw balloons Installed on the southern border to murder children that try to get into this country.
	So to imply that there's an open border, not the most nightmarish episode of Wipeout you've ever seen, that's actually happening.
	That's just one little thing.
	That's one teeny tiny little, I'm not even talking about the hit home part, the stuff that's happening in my fucking neighborhood.
	It just... So, first she's talking about the areas at the southern border trying to mitigate the sheer volume of people coming in, and basically trying to prevent it from becoming any more of a humanitarian crisis than it already has been.
	Then she's talking about people getting flown to different airports for their immigration meetings, and that's a problem.
	And then, so the barrack-style accommodation that she's talking about... Please, please!
	Like, what, migrant shelters and family welcome centres?
	Like, which do not have enough space or funding?
	Like, when she's bringing up the airports, like, migrants for months were being sent to sleep in airports such as O'Hare and Loken!
	Like, this includes children sleeping in freezing cold conditions on the floor with no blankets!
	Like, yeah!
	Oh my god!
	I can tell you unequivocally That our government, our city governments are paying lip service at best.
	Our state governments don't give a flying shit fuck about migrants coming into this country.
	That our asylum seekers, let alone illegal, illegally, which no human is illegal, sorry, but like that notion of like, Illegal immigrants, these are asylum seekers with valid reasons to come into the country in the first place, most likely and very often.
	And dude, trying to watch how Chicago is handling it is...
	Disgusting.
	It's reprehensible to see how people are okay.
	She is integral to the vitriol that is happening at every town fucking hall meeting.
	The nimbyism, oh man, just is so... It's embarrassing to see adults act like this.
	And yeah, it makes me really fucking angry.
	Yeah, and it should!
	No kids?
	Fuck off!
	Yeah, so a great many migrants do come over as a family unit, including those who are unauthorized.
	5% of unauthorized immigrants are children, so definitely some kids.
	And 9%, she said there were no elders, 9% are over the age of 55.
	And even that is kind of surprising, because for the elderly and the disabled, the journey to get to the U.S.
	is often too fraught with danger and very intense physical obstacles for them to be able to make that.
	Even that number is impressive to me.
	I'm surprised there's not fewer.
	Well, and if you're even remotely familiar with the actual crisis that's happening, you know exactly why.
	It's because it's incredibly dangerous to make this journey.
	It is out of desperation, and people that have no other option but to... The trip is potentially fatal!
	And extremely dangerous!
	Every fucking step of the way!
	Oh, and wildly expensive!
	It's crazy!
	Yeah.
	People trade their entire lives to make an incredibly dangerous journey.
	And are met with this fucking asshole.
	Goddamn!
	According to Naomi Wolf, if we're to really take stock here, that's what.
	Tens of millions of men, of military age men specifically, who all have military physiques and haircuts and all wear the same clothing and all walk in lockstep cadence and take orders from officers.
	All of these people are then staying In places in airports and and and other delicate places around the US and are well funded and and and arms and and.
	What?
	I'm sure whatever the opposite is.
	No, no, no.
	I can tell you what it actually looks like, and I can tell you how it plays out in a quote-unquote sanctuary city.
	It looks like a church lock-in, but there's adults at a police station where These migrants are systematically exposed to sexual assault from cops.
	It looks like a homeless encampment because it is.
	Houseless, excuse me.
	A houseless person's encampment because it is and that's what it turns into.
	The notion that there's like an organization.
	No, it's kids with their pillows if they're lucky to have them.
	Jesus Christ!
	Like, the notion that there's like a barracks or like an organization, it's like, it's so- Lockstep, Lauren.
	Removed from any notion like- They follow orders.
	You know what kids look like lined up to go to band camp?
	They got a backpack and they got a pillow and they look tired!
	That's the best case scenario!
	This is- this is like- I- anything- I want her to refer to any real thing that she's even misconstruing.
	I'm like- Me too.
	So curious what she can- what this conclusion is even- like, you know what I mean?
	Like, whatever seed was planted for her to get here, the fuck are you talking about?
	I would love to see the seeds.
	She doth not provide.
	But, like, what blows my mind is, like, why have a conspiracy theory that is so easily disprovable?
	Like, you can just watch the videos and be like, huh, where are all these military-age, like, military-looking guys wandering around?
	I don't see any.
	That's weird.
	Where are they all?
	If they're coming in in the millions, I expect to be able to see some somewhere.
	Nothing.
	I think that she has an understanding that she sees men, predominantly men, standing outside a Home Depot to try to get work.
	And so she thinks that they're all men.
	I'm positive that's true.
	I'm positive that's true.
	And they're all military.
	They all have short hair.
	So.
	So.
	Therefore.
	Therefore.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I mean, the idea that they're like, yeah, the thing is, is like, she can see men standing around Home Depot.
	Even the rest of the things that she's claiming or she's saying, girl, what?
	Even the racist Home Depot idea ends at male.
	Maybe that's who you see or that's who you think you see.
	I don't know.
	I mean, Ben Shapiro went to Home Depot and had a board in a bag, so I don't know what these people are even doing out in the world.
	I don't know how they react.
	Yeah, this is very true, how reality actually intersects with their life.
	So, next we see what is, quite frankly, an ugly, fear-mongering comparison.
	What happened on October 7th in Israel is that a handful of terrorists crossed the southern border and brought a whole country to its knees, changed the outcome of Middle East history, took hostages in a heartbeat, and the ripple effects provoked a terrible, terrible loss of life in Gaza, and there's conflict in the area again.
	Imagine what could happen in Britain or in America in a heartbeat if, you know, of these 19 million people, 12 to 19 million people, if a handful are terrorists or a handful are military.
	And J.J.
	Carroll, my husband Brian O'Shea's co-host for his podcast about this, is a former border agent.
	He said that Terrorist aligned individuals who used to be interrogated by the FBI and deported are just being waved through and strategically positioned around the country.
	Well, at a signal, these people could create a mass hostage situation that could bring America to its knees or Britain to its knees.
	So it's a catastrophic national security threat.
	And I've been to countries where there's militias and cartels and no rule of law.
	And that's what we're seeing in America right now.
	The police are being told to stand down.
	Newcomers are being encouraged to become police.
	They're being encouraged to become healthcare workers.
	And so what you're getting is what we do in other countries, which is the creation of a A class of people who have no allegiance to the United States, who are not citizens, who broke the law to get here, who are being promoted and empowered above the level of Americans, given arms, given authority, who are basically creating a fifth column from within, you know, bit by bit by bit, to subjugate our country.
	We're going to be hard to subjugate because we're armed, but Britain and Western Europe are not going to be hard to subjugate because you don't have arms and you don't even have representational democracy.
	Oh no!
	I mean, yeah.
	I'm not sure I'd know how to respond to that either.
	Fuck me.
	There's delusional, and then there's this.
	This is full, like, InfoWars level of crazy racist bullshit.
	With a tasteful defense of keeping guns thrown in there at the end, by the way.
	Oh, and apparently we don't have representative democracy in the UK anymore.
	I'm sorry, what?
	What?
	When did we lose representatives?
	When is she going to start talking about dragons?
	Like, seriously.
	Fantasy is at least supposed to be entertaining, and I'm also not entertained.
	This is nuts.
	Now, what I do feel, and like I palpably felt in the moment while I was listening to her, is that I'm Like, Alex Jones.
	The thing is, too, is like, I mean, we get it through the filter of knowledge fight, commonly, right?
	Like, usually, as we get the Alex Jones stuff, is, like, filtered.
	So I don't necessarily know if he's making these same claims, but he doesn't necessarily... I think that we would be more aware, because he does, like, the military age, he kind of, like, he kind of glosses over.
	These specific claims she's making, he kind of like lumps it and is like, yeah, you already know what I'm talking about.
	And he is relying on like, it's a dog whistle for him to a degree of like a deeper kind of, obviously, like what she is working on is a whole other like, you know, like a comic universe that he can refer to and just say like military age men.
	Migrant military age men, and that's shorthand for what she's saying right now.
	But, and I'm like shocked, what in the hell is she saying?
	But I had this moment where I'm hyper aware that there are definitely listeners that can hear my voice right now that are not as surprised because they've heard it from other people in their life.
	And I'm so sorry that you've probably had to go through this jarring experience.
	And that you're like, yeah, nope, I've heard this, because it's a similar experience whenever we talk about Christian fundamentalism, and you're like, oh my god!
	And I'm like, girl, that's 101.
	That's on the sign in front of the door.
	Calm down.
	I'm positive that someone is having this moment, and they've...
	I feel seen and vindicated.
	It is amazing to hear for me and shocking to hear for me because of my lived experience, but I'm positive that this isn't surprising to everybody and that you're not alone.
	Because yeah, it's complete fabrication.
	It is totally wackadoo.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, like, any component of it is insane, let alone, like, the overarching idea that, oh, all of the unauthorized immigrants are military men and are being given guns and power and money and are going to overthrow us at the behest of the United Nations, apparently.
	I mean, what?
	And they need to pledge allegiance to America?
	Like, what?
	That's not what patriotism is even about.
	That's nationalism.
	You want nationalism, not patriotism.
	Those are two separate ideas that have been conflated by people like both of these that I'm looking at right now, but I'm...
	They're not the same.
	Just because a certain section of the internet has changed the definition does not make it the same.
	But guess what?
	Guess who complies in order to not be abused?
	Immigrants!
	They try to assimilate as best they possibly can to avoid abuse From people like her.
	And guess what?
	They still aren't safe from that.
	They'll still get abused and they'll still get taken advantage of.
	Fuck me.
	I just, I don't understand how you can go about your daily life if this is what you think is happening, you know?
	Like, if you genuinely believe that that is what is occurring, I would be terrified.
	I would be legitimately terrified every waking moment.
	And, yes and, You put your big toe in a Mexican restaurant, in an Ethiopian restaurant, in an Indian restaurant?
	Sorry, no naan for you.
	No, no.
	No tacos for you.
	One nacho hits your lips.
	Sorry, gal.
	In a Uzbekistan restaurant, right?
	Yeah.
	I mean, like, for real?
	Like, for real?
	These people should not be allowed in spaces, and she's going to come here and say that immigrants ruin our culture.
	Man, I got news for you, sis, about America.
	anything that we, that about America. Um, but like that kind of,
	I mean, as, as, as the grandchild of immigrants, you know, like,
	I mean, that's it. Right. Like.
	You don't even need to research the stuff that she's saying, because also you can't because she's not citing anything, but she's just contradicting herself.
	She's undoing her own argument, but it still seems like a lovely little conversation that people can learn from.
	This is so crazy to me.
	I think that there's something to be said for she is explaining a situation that is so counterfactual It's they're playing on that kind of like, oh, it's so crazy.
	It must be true.
	Like that's what that's the conspiracy theory kind of like the conspiracy theorists.
	You know, kind of like mental process, right?
	Like is that that logic process of like, it's so crazy.
	It must be true.
	That's what they're relying on.
	That's why she can make this stuff up and isn't just run it on a rail and And Russell would be like, yeah!
	Instead of, what the fuck are you saying?
	Yes, which would be the reasonable response!
	I can honestly, like, it seems like he's even kind of, he's like, I don't know how to spin this, and I was like, this is... He'll just let it go.
	Well, there's a degree of that.
	My feeling is that he's not especially concerned about what she's saying.
	No.
	But we'll, let's see him respond now.
	I suppose while you were unpacking that terrifying theory, I sort of felt myself caught up by a realisation that I'd had previously during the pandemic period, that the driving idea behind the pandemic already had a simple moral problem built into it in so much as we were invited to lock down our whole countries to take this medication because why?
	Why?
	Because life is sacred!
	Because we love one another and we care about one another and we must protect people and I remember thinking, that's not how we run the country!
	That's not the guiding principle!
	And similarly, with regard to the arguments for not even questioning or discussing immigration, the idea is, human life is sacred!
	We have to protect people!
	And particularly for like, you know, as we've returned to many times over the course of our conversation, The former denizens of liberal spaces, we would think well you know America because of their imperialist misadventure across the world, my country because of its history of invading and devastating and pillaging
	nations across the world. We have an obligation and a duty to support the
	ravaged lands and displaced people harmed by, you know, not for our personal
	but by our nation's historic abuses of those territories.
	And yet of course we seldom see in the way our democracies, is the word I'll
	use I suppose for now, are run, that the type of compassion being invited,
	demanded, summonsed, used to shut down and censor and control conversation in both the
	pandemic period and with regard to this issue which I know is a very
	contentious one that we're discussing now. The reason to not talk about it is
	because you don't talk about that you bloody racist. You know it's like it's...
	Yes and I don't see that kind of compassion elsewhere.
	Hmm, okay.
	So I'm feeling a little bit of a straw man kind of situation cropping up here.
	The idea that we're not supposed to talk about racism or immigration or trans issues or whatever out of kindness and compassion and it's all of course complete shit and those things are pretty much all people talk about.
	People talk about them all the time.
	Yeah.
	The pressure he might be feeling is to talk about these things respectfully with some degree of accuracy and without promoting ideologies that are inherently bigoted, perhaps.
	But given that Russell has signed on to the Great Replacement Theory and spends most of his time advancing bigoted conspiracy theories, I think we all know which direction he's landed.
	Yes, that.
	And I would like to bring attention to his conception of how he came to his initial turn and the conclusion that allows him to get where we are now during COVID.
	And seeing like, Oh, well, we're encouraged by the government to be compassionate.
	And that and governments don't do that.
	So that means something else is going on.
	Oh, okay.
	So then all of the corruption and the misinformation and the confusion and the piecemeal, like inadequacies, All the bad stuff the government has been proven to have been doing?
	Especially the UK.
	I mean, that should happen.
	I mean, like, here, all bets are off.
	But, like, even the UK.
	So then that should support the conclusion, Russell.
	That it was business as usual, and it was an inadequate, half-assed measure, at best, that the government took, and also did not make the necessary adjustments, changes, or modifications to the NHS.
	Definitely not in America.
	Handling the healthcare crisis that we're currently in that was already happening and then just exacerbated by the pandemic.
	Okay, so then all the stuff that went wrong that you talk about all the time should be supporting your thesis that the government is fucked up and shitty.
	Sounds actually very congruous!
	Yes, yes it does.
	When you put it like that, you know what, it makes complete fucking sense.
	Oh, what, this was all just surface talk?
	Oh, okay, well yeah, that makes complete sense.
	Ah, okay.
	Fuck me for consistency though.
	Yeah, I guess I can go fuck myself.
	Jesus Christ, this is a lot.
	We're going to skip ahead briefly to Naomi Wolf talking about Brexit.
	I remember getting into horrible fights when Brexit was being discussed with my British friends.
	I was a graduate student in Britain.
	I had looked for the digital database of EU laws, as well as British law, and I found that it's very hard to know what the laws are in Britain, or how to affect bills that are being debated to become law, or even find them in the past, right?
	And in the EU, it's literally impossible.
	You literally cannot find what's being presented for debate in the European Union Parliament, let alone affect it.
	You can't lobby.
	And that's when I found out that you really aren't a democracy, that they're going to take away your rights if you join the European Union, and that you barely have rights in Britain, because most people really don't know how to stop a bill, how to affect legislation.
	They really shut off the avenues for civic engagement in Britain.
	Um, it's kind of a sham.
	It's not quite as much of a sham as in Europe, but it is, it is difficult.
	And I remember having horrible fights with some of my favorite people and really being called a racist because I was warning if you, if you Stay in the EU, you won't have any ability.
	You won't be a democracy.
	The system isn't red tape.
	That's the state discourse.
	It's run by bureaucrats in Brussels, which you can't really understand, but it's all fine because it's a metademocracy.
	No, it's not a metademocracy.
	It's straight out fascist.
	Straight up fascism, is it?
	Okay.
	Yeah, so I'm not overly surprised that Naomi was getting into arguments with British people over this because it's very clear she is completely full of shit.
	So, I mean, and knows nothing.
	So, when it comes to British law, we have pretty much the same recourse as those in the United States.
	You know, we've got, like, online petitions which at a certain size must be addressed in Parliament.
	You know, harassing your local representatives with activism or whatever if you're the member of one of the political parties.
	There are avenues through those directions.
	Protests and activism.
	And failing all that we have, you know, voting people out of power as kind of the final nail.
	And the EU is much the same.
	See, MEPs, or Members of European Parliament, are elected.
	The representatives from each country then go and sit in European Parliament and things are decided in a democratic fashion.
	Because the EU is inherently democratic and has that baked into its formation.
	She's right about one thing, which is that it can be very complicated and very, very dry.
	When I was studying law, my EU textbook was two or three times the size of most of the others for this very reason.
	But transparency has never been a problem with the EU.
	In fact, Naomi Wolf, if you want to know EU laws and any proposed legislation within the EU, you need only go to eur-lex.europa.eu and you can find all possible laws and proposed laws, agreements, documents, and procedures from all nine EU institutions, including all of the current laws.
	It's all just there, and it's not particularly hard to find.
	In fact, it sits at the bottom of the article on EU law on Wikipedia.
	Again, Naomi Wolf is very bad at research.
	I would say to the point of being a willful malicious idiot, but there we are.
	Good lord.
	Laziness can take you a long way.
	Okay. - Oh yeah.
	So I just, just for my own kind of information, right?
	Like I looked up the time she was in school in the UK.
	Yeah.
	And 2015 was when she wrote her thesis, right?
	When she went back, and yeah, she got a doctorate in philosophy, which I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	You don't get like, I'm sorry, if there's a pandemic, don't leave with doctor.
	Like, that's a trend that we've seen kind of all over the place for a while now.
	I don't think I need to expand on that idea.
	But then she was originally at Oxford from 85 to 87, right?
	And so, which one are you talking about, ma'am?
	Because if you're saying my time in school in the UK and information was hard to come by, She could be like, yeah, in 87.
	In the 80s, it was harder.
	I bet.
	I bet.
	I hadn't thought about that.
	Yeah, you know what?
	You're right.
	That's very possible.
	She said she was looking for a database.
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	Sure, sure, sure.
	The thing is, is there's enough wiggle room in this.
	Because, you know, you're referencing the Wikipedia page now that has the link at the bottom.
	Sure.
	Like, I don't, I don't even necessarily want to, like, that's the thing is like, yeah, now you can find it.
	And, okay, so 2015 you couldn't?
	I don't buy that.
	87?
	No, it was definitely still there.
	Yeah, in 2015.
	I guess if it was too hard to find for you, Fair.
	If that's what you're claiming, maybe.
	I don't know.
	Because I also don't think that necessarily, like, anyone that does go to college and get something out of it, it's cumulative.
	Right?
	So I bet that in her conception, in her mind, she uses the information from like, you know, getting her BA at Yale in 84.
	And then at Oxford, she was a Rhodes Scholar.
	I must say that again, she was a Rhodes Scholar.
	This person, this person, from 85 to 87.
	That would, and then also when she ended up, you know, getting her doctorate in 2015, that's all cumulative.
	So like, does she know what she's referring to?
	Is she being fastidious about what she's referring to?
	And is it that you just didn't want to or try?
	And is she playing around in that ambiguity enough to where she can rationalize it?
	Yeah, yeah, I wonder.
	The only concrete thing I do know is that she has no clue what she's talking about, which I'm like, yeah, around the time of the great Brexit debate that, you know, there were people who did know stuff that she might know, who probably would resent that.
	Oh boy.
	Yeah, well and like if she's making these like her conception of how thirdly like her kind of third wave feminism screed right it was 91 was when it was released I like I thought it was later than that but um She talks about her experiences in the UK in education.
	Okay, have we updated that for 2015?
	Which idea are we even referring to?
	That's what I'm saying.
	She's conflating.
	You know what?
	I don't know.
	I'm giving her too much intellectual respect because we know that she just made a bunch of shit up over and over and over.
	And she will continue to do so.
	So I don't know why I'm even engaging in good faith.
	I feel like it's pertinent.
	Yeah, I think it is always good to be as fair as possible in moments like these.
	To try and steel man the opposition, so to speak.
	Yeah, or just figure out what she's talking about, you know?
	Oh that, fuck me.
	Yeah, she's very difficult.
	And she's also not done bagging on the EU, by the way.
	And what they did is so clever, Mr. Brandt, because for decades, the EU looked so good.
	It's like free museums and childcare and, you know, be nice to gay people and, you know, free education.
	It's so nice, right?
	You're like, what's wrong with this?
	This is paradise.
	And Europe really was paradise.
	But what was clear to me, even when it looked so good, is that this, once I found out about the legislative non-existence process, is that they could pull a string and it would all collapse in absolute tyranny on the people of Europe.
	And that's what we're seeing now.
	There is no democratic superstructure.
	Look at people, you know, rioting in France or in Italy or in Ireland against immigration.
	They have no legislative That's it.
	There it is.
	At all. All they can do is riot, which isn't very effective, honestly.
	I mean, it's better than nothing.
	But they need to take back the legislative process.
	It's so seriously.
	But I was called a racist.
	This is that's it.
	There it is.
	She doesn't like being called a racist.
	Yeah. Yeah.
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	And I think she keeps getting called that because she keeps saying racist things.
	Crazy, huh?
	Yeah.
	As for the protests, I mean, the French will protest anything given the chance.
	It's something I really do love about them.
	Otherwise, what she's talking... Bless it.
	Otherwise what she's talking about is racist far-right riots and rallies happening across Europe, like the one in Ireland and in Dublin we spoke of a while back, or the one in Germany more recently.
	And apparently these same people need to take back the legislature, whatever that's supposed to mean.
	Doesn't sound like a peaceful operation regardless.
	It is interesting, like underlying all this is somehow the idea that the EU can pull a string and fascism will put a boot on everyone's necks in Europe.
	And when you combine that with the idea that, you know, millions of migrant men are out there, you know, in military garb and all of this stuff, it paints an interesting picture of the world.
	This is, of course, despite countries being allowed to leave the EU, etc., like we did.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think I'm getting, like, so, and again, part of, like, Doppelganger, like, talks about how Well, Naomi Klein has talked about Naomi Wolf, so you don't necessarily even need to read the book to get this kind of narrative, but how Naomi Wolf has elevated her stars on the rise in the conservative infotainment space.
	And I get why.
	I mean, she's obviously towing the party line and advancing it, I think, pretty vehemently.
	But yeah, she's apparently their EU expert.
	I don't hear other pundits talking like this on Russell's show that are from America.
	And she knows because she's like, basically, she has weaponized the Annoying Study Abroad girl, person.
	Non-gendered.
	Both genders can be annoying.
	They can come back wearing a beret and insist that they have a French accent now.
	She's saying, well, I went to Oxford.
	I went to college overseas twice, so I know all about how the EU works.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And like, also, the things that she was describing about the EU being a paradise, like, a lot of those things aren't true.
	I mean, like, free museums.
	The EU doesn't have free museums.
	The UK has a lot.
	We have a lot of free museums.
	Education being free, that varies drastically from country to country.
	I think when she came in the 80s, I think higher education was still free here, so I think that's what she's basing that on.
	Um, and just, just all of these things, you know, I'm like, well, no.
	And also the UK was definitely not nice to gay people in the eighties.
	That's for sure.
	It's still not that nice to them now.
	Yeah.
	It's, it's all, it's all fiction.
	Um, it's all fiction.
	I think that's what we're settling on here with this lady.
	But she spent, what, six years?
	Like, she spent six years there.
	Obviously, she's an expert.
	I don't know what she was doing.
	Buying her degrees and learning as little as possible.
	Didn't have to buy her degree, even!
	What, the first time?
	Shit!
	She was a Rhodes Scholar!
	Oh yeah!
	That's a scholarship!
	Yeah, that's true.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	The doctorate would have cost, given that she's a foreign student, but then you get sponsorships for most of those things anyway.
	I mean, I don't know.
	I can't speak to that.
	I was only talking about the first one.
	Because she'd already written a bunch of books and she had the money to go back, which I would do the same.
	I would do the same.
	If I had the time and I had the wherewithal, you bet I would.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I feel like you and I would have multiple doctorates by now if we had the time and the money, you know?
	I mean, I don't... The thing is, I'm saying if I were on her track and, like, I honestly, I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I think I'm a good time machine, to give a shit about, like, what higher education actually has to impart.
	Oh, but also, oh my God, training.
	Jesus Christ.
	I would love that.
	Just the intellectual curiosity alone would be enough to be like, well, of course I'm going to go back and look at this stuff.
	I mean, yeah, that's really like, she's, I'm just, I mean.
	And I don't mean to necessarily distract from what she's saying, but also she's not saying anything.
	So I'm trying to glean useful information from this interaction, other than just like, wow, she's lying.
	Wow, she's boldly lying.
	Wow, she's a racist bigot liar.
	That's kind of all we can say.
	Like, oh, OK, on his face, she's like a terrible, mean, lying white woman.
	Who has weaponized feminism for her personal gain, right?
	And hung out with others that did the same so she could feel good about it.
	So that's kind of all you can really say about, like, she's not saying real stuff.
	So I want to get something out of it.
	Yeah, you have to scrounge around for it.
	I would love to know more, sadly she doesn't go into more about it, but I would love to know more about how the string gets pulled in the EU.
	What happens?
	How does fascism suddenly have its boot on everyone's necks in the whole of Europe?
	Because that's a continent!
	How does that happen?
	But sadly we don't get any more out of it.
	But she already said you can't find it because there's no database.
	Oh, this is true.
	You can't find it.
	This is true.
	You'll never know.
	They hide all the laws and that's fascism.
	She found out.
	I mean, they're all there.
	She's not going to tell you how she found out.
	Yeah, this seems to be a consistent problem with her, actually.
	Anyway, we've got one last clip and it's Naomi leaving the show.
	Well Naomi, it seems somewhat impertinent to ask what the reasoning is behind the title of your book, Facing the Beast, Courage, Faith and Resistance in a New Dark Age, which prior to talking to you, I wondered if it might be Cassandra-ish, hyperbolic, but having spoken to you for an hour, It's pretty clear what we're discussing and it's also clear what's required in order to oppose it.
	I'm very excited to receive and read your book.
	There's a link in the description if you want to order a copy of it and yeah, I'll be reading it.
	Naomi, it's been so fascinating to speak with you.
	I found it really, really rather gripping and exciting.
	Thank you.
	Thank you for having me.
	Take care.
	Gripping and exciting indeed.
	That was a whole clip to hear that?
	Okay.
	Well, the link that's in the description is of course to Amazon, by the way, you know, because Russell hates globalism.
	The pre-order link is to Amazon?
	Okay.
	Oh, it's out already, but yes, yes.
	Well, he just had a printout, so I assumed that there wasn't a physical book to give him.
	Am I correct?
	Oh, that's right!
	It came out in November!
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's a physical book, he just does not own a copy.
	Okay, if you're not listening, he held out like an inkjet HP printout of the cover of the book.
	I forgot, because this is already melting my diodes, to listen to this person that the book has been out.
	Yep.
	Somebody couldn't run to a bookstore and grab one in preparation?
	I was on time.
	Get it the next day.
	One day.
	You'll find your own link.
	Yeah!
	You have the link?
	We know you do!
	I promise you.
	Okay.
	Wow.
	It's a choice.
	It's a choice.
	Oh, I'd be so insulted.
	I'd be so insulted.
	He also said it's clear what's required in order to oppose, you know, what they've been discussing.
	But all I got from this interview was, buy the book, give Russell money, and otherwise buy guns, I guess, to defend from the army being placed at airports?
	Terrorize brown people because they're probably military.
	Yeah, that's pretty much the message that I got.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if anyone else got anything.
	Uh, okay.
	So, for those of you that are listening and not watching, If you are watching, you may have picked up on.
	I love that she's talking about, like, the implications of military garb on a person walking around.
	Russell did this whole interview in a camo jacket.
	Yes, he did.
	Okay, are we done?
	Can we go home?
	I'm done.
	What?
	He's one of the military leaders!
	We've got it.
	We've nailed it.
	I mean, he's not technically military age anymore.
	He couldn't be drafted.
	He's too old to be, like, drafted.
	Also, military age?
	What are we talking about?
	I mean, it's... Yeah, yeah, there is that.
	Okay, there's so much wrong with what she's saying and doing.
	But yeah, no, I was like, I... camo jacket.
	It's almost like it's available for purchase to wear outside of the military.
	Maybe because the military has to make so much clothing that it's like a really common thing to see olive drab and different camo patterns and military-influenced Fashion, even.
	Yeah?
	Yeah!
	And it's also possible that, you know, the kind of second-hand versions of these things might be quite cheap to purchase, one might say.
	No shit!
	No shit!
	Yet extremely useful!
	Yeah!
	I have an Alice bag!
	I mean, Justin's wife is probably a designer, but still.
	Yeah, I have an Alice bag!
	I love it!
	I got it in an old army surplus.
	Works great!
	Because I needed it to travel for work!
	I'm obviously a covert operator.
	Obviously.
	Naturally.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Man, oh man.
	Okay, so basically what we're understanding from what she's saying is, like, reproductive rights.
	So when she talks about reproductive rights, It's like code for Great Replacement Theory, right?
	She's not talking about the right to reproductive health care, the right for women to access abortion care.
	She's not talking about that stuff.
	she's talking about the trapping of broodmares in states with no protection for women who are pregnant.
	Like it's, okay, that's what she's talking about.
	Great replacement theory.
	Yeah, that and the combo of like, oh, the COVID-19 vaccine is making everyone infertile.
	That's what she means when she's talking about reproduction rights now.
	Genuinely.
	I didn't know if we were going to talk about it in the episode.
	Menstrual dysregulation was a big problem that was being reported.
	The thing is, I didn't hear it from her.
	I heard it from a lot of other news sources that I was taking in during the pandemic.
	Well, it's still happening.
	When it all started, I experienced a little bit of it myself.
	It's an issue with Yeah, the healthcare structure does not consider women and doesn't test on women because it's too complicated.
	Something that is like, don't.
	That's a huge fucking problem.
	Big problem.
	It's misogyny and capitalism and white supremacy and white male supremacy is why we aren't fully understanding the implications there and the results.
	But apparently the companies were still trying, because she said it out of her mouth, that they still did a lot of research and were recording the instances of menstrual dysregulation.
	I guess infertility?
	That I don't, I can't speak to.
	But as far as menstrual dysregulation with, you know, like after getting the vaccine, what about when you get COVID?
	That happened too.
	Well, no, see, what you should all do is all go out and get COVID, and then everything's okay.
	Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
	Minute fucking one.
	Right?
	End of January, beginning of February, whenever the cruise ship was sequestered with COVID.
	Whenever news first started coming out, January, February 2020.
	Again, I've said it before, I had face surgery.
	I had to have cancer cut off my face.
	In that time period, I was very aware of any kind of immune compromise.
	I was in a very compromised position, and I was in and out of doctor's offices all the time.
	And that was an experience in and of itself.
	I was very concerned, right?
	So I had my radar up.
	So when all of this first started, all of the COVID anything, right?
	When the Diamond Princess, when the cruise ship was being quarantined and COVID, and there was some like, a little bit in Seattle, a little bit in New York, like COVID was starting to kind of creep into American consciousness and discourse.
	There was, the first things that they were saying, it was like the flu, right?
	So as soon as I heard that, now conservatives and pundits and motivated actors would have you believe it's just the flu, even though they would also say constantly, they'd be citing like, this is how many flu deaths that we have every year.
	It ain't just the flu for everybody.
	And it's never just been the flu.
	What I heard, And I think, appropriately and accurately, is if it's like the flu, that means that you do not get immunity to it once you have it.
	We understand that fundamentally.
	Because if that was true, we'd all have the flu once and never again.
	And it would go away.
	It's not fucking chicken pox.
	Diseases work different, okay?
	So, if you're saying it's like the flu, You are inherently, and doctors were correctly saying it's like a coronavirus, which the flu is also a coronavirus.
	They're not wrong, because the mutation is so agile within these types of diseases.
	But I'm just some fucking joker that had like a big wound in my face, so I was real worried.
	So what am I, oh, what the fuck do I know?
	Except for the flu, You don't create herd immunity for the flu?
	Why would there be herd immunity for COVID if it's like the flu?
	I'm tired of being angry about that.
	Well, I think what you're missing here, Lauren, is that you're not a journalist, you see, whereas Naomi Wolf is.
	Yeah, I'm not a doctor of philosophy either.
	Oh, by the way, I forgot to mention, in terms of people calling themselves doctors during the pandemic, Michael Schellenberger, his Twitter handle, because his initials I think are like Michael Dennis Schellenberger or something, his Twitter handle was MD Schellenberger during the pandemic.
	Good for her.
	Good for her.
	I just, oh, I love it.
	I really do.
	I mean, fine.
	Like, the other, the shit that's so rich, which also, you went overseas to get your, like, ma'am, you immigrant, like, you're a fucking immigrant.
	You went overseas to get your education.
	So it's not even that, like, for me and not for thee, for grandpa.
	For me and not for thee, for her.
	Yeah.
	I am the exception.
	It's amazing to hear... This is to a person, this specific breed of hypocrisy.
	I have earned, by being a good citizen, freedom of movement, and other people don't get to have that same freedom of movement for fake reasons I made up.
	What I think that we heard that came out of her mouth was that she's upset that somebody called her a racist.
	Hey, guys, Here's news.
	We're all a little racist.
	That's, like, this is... Ibram Kendi said it.
	And made this point in How to Be Anti-Racist, and it's fucking true.
	Because we live in a racist society, and we grow up in a racist society.
	So unless you're Nell, and you've been completely sequestered from any type of influence in society, yeah, we're all racist.
	So you have to actively unlearn the colonizer mindset The patriarchal mindset that reinforces racism and bigotry.
	So if you're getting upset that someone's calling you a racist, or even implying that you're a racist, calm down!
	We all are, and it's your job to not be.
	We're all on a continuum, because it's the place that we've been born and bred in.
	So it's like, listen.
	Listen to people.
	When they give you input, About something, listen, because you know your heart, fine.
	But being mad that someone called you a racist?
	Like, calm down and listen to what they're saying and why.
	Not that they called you a racist or that they implied you're a racist.
	Maybe they have a valid point.
	The considering why is vital, you know, and that seems to have escaped Naomi Wolf's notice.
	I think it happens to a lot of people, and genuinely, understanding that it's just a reality of modern society, and you should be worried about something completely different.
	Yeah.
	You should be worried about your own behavior and your own contribution and your own privilege.
	And that's the thing that these cranky, entitled toddlers do not understand, and obviously have not internalized, that it's not all about you.
	It's not all about you.
	Yep.
	Listen to what people have to say and either take it on board or don't.
	It's not an insult unless you're gonna double down and make it the reason that you turn into this fucking person, Naomi.
	I think it's very difficult to say it's not about you to either Russell or to Naomi Wolf.
	Yeah, obviously.
	They made that very clear.
	Because for her to say that immigration dilutes culture, even beyond the hypocrisy, obviously, Obviously, she's a massive hypocrite on a number of levels.
	But even to understand that... Are you saying America doesn't have culture because of immigration?
	I'm sorry.
	What?
	Texas called.
	They're offended, first of all.
	I mean, tell any... Oh my God.
	Tell any tourism board.
	Like, straight up, these people should not be allowed to have, like, to eat an ethnic food.
	They should not be allowed to have sauerkraut, for Christ's sake.
	Like, I mean.
	Yeah.
	Or only sauerkraut.
	No spices that are from any other countries.
	You have a curry.
	All of it.
	You're a race traitor by your own conception.
	That fucking, like, I cannot, like, what are you doing?
	It's crazy.
	Or, America has pitched itself, and also, a lie, like, it's pitched itself as this, like, diverse melting pot, so who loves America so much?
	Oh, okay, so immigrants have to pledge allegiance to America, the America that is supposed to be this melting pot of cultures?
	Come on!
	It's like so galling to me!
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	As it should be.
	And yet I show up every week and listen to these dumb babies blather about dumb baby shit.
	Get out of here!
	Knock that taco out your hand!
	Don't you drink that horchata!
	Falafel?
	Hell no!
	Spit that out right now!
	Drop it.
	Fingersweep.
	Fuck you.
	No.
	Crazy.
	If only we could make sure that Naomi Wolf lived as bland a life as possible, but oh well.
	She's not going to.
	And she's made sure of that.
	She's making plenty of money and she gets to have whatever she wants.
	She gets to go swanning off to the EU that she hates.
	Yeah, right?
	Yep.
	I'm not going to sit here and just name ethnic foods.
	That is my desire, because I'm angry and maybe a little hungry.
	I just realized that in the moment.
	Tzatziki, none for you!
	Y'all have heard what I want to eat, okay?
	It's genuinely like the, cause there's been these moments, you know, I think it was like, uh, you know, like Huckabee, this maybe happened to the Huckabee family.
	There's a couple of like instances of like ethnic restaurants saying no to vehement, racist, psychotic, uh, like politicians in America.
	It should happen every day.
	It should happen to all of them every single day.
	Yeah.
	I agree.
	And the only reason it doesn't is because of capitalist manipulation.
	Because those families are trying to fucking survive.
	Nigel Farage should not be allowed to have anything to do with European stuff or foreign stuff.
	No cheeky kebab for Nigel Farage, right?
	He's just, none of it.
	None of it at all.
	He can have as many turnips and leeks as he wants.
	Yep.
	And mutton?
	Have at it, Don.
	Yeah, yeah.
	His dietary choices should be very strictly limited.
	I know UK food, listen.
	We have some great food, damn it.
	Yeah, where'd y'all get a lot of it from?
	So even what the UK thinks their food is.
	Well, I mean, like... Yeah, it's true, it's true.
	We didn't have broccoli until like, I think it was like the 1700s or something?
	Oh, you're talking about Indian food?
	Like, the co-opting is... Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, no, absolutely.
	We have a fascinating history with Indian food.
	Fascinating is a word.
	Fascinating is a word.
	Appropriative?
	Yes, the most popular curry over here was created for the British palate, specifically.
	I mean, there's tons of food that's like, right.
	But I mean, the point is... We've digressed.
	I don't know about we.
	I'm saying they should not be allowed to participate in the diversity of culture that we benefit from.
	Which is inextricable from the fabric of America, even the smallest town.
	The most fun parts of America are the most diverse, interesting parts of America.
	And we all know it.
	And if you're going to get on a microphone and say this shit into a goddamn webcam, there should be consequences.
	And it should be individual consequences.
	Yeah, especially when you have a platform this significant.
	Yeah!
	And the same applies very much over here.
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