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Nov. 23, 2023 - On Brand

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OB #30 - Jimmy Dore, Once More

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	This is On Brand, a podcast where we discuss the ideas and antics of one Russell Brand.
	I'm Al Worth, and each week I go through an episode of Brand's Show with my co-host Lauren B. That's me, Lauren B!
	And I'm the host... What?
	I didn't say anything!
	So you were silently pointing at yourself for like a satisfied minute there and just like, oh shit, I need to say words.
	Well...
	I still don't always remember that people listen.
	And the pointing is for me.
	It's YouTube high and also for me.
	You know what?
	I short out sometimes.
	It happens, but it did tickle me.
	Yeah, I do feel like the hamster fell off.
	You can see it from my nose to my bangs.
	You can see when the hamster falls off the wheels.
	It's the Jar Jar Binks eyes.
	It's from that horrible shirt.
	If you don't know what we're talking about, Off-Brand a couple weeks ago.
	It's a whole thing.
	But yeah, any whoozlebees, I'm the host that goes in not knowing anything aside from the fact that it'll probably be bad.
	Mm-hmm.
	And that is why we do the good thing before the bad thing to bolster ourselves.
	So Lauren, what is your good thing before the bad thing this week?
	My good thing was Grabadelanya, the event that we did on Sunday.
	It's extremely cool.
	It's always really fun.
	And I got to meet a listener in person.
	What?
	Yeah!
	And their lovely partner who, obviously, our listener knew what to expect from me as a human.
	And I was somewhat sprung on this.
	This speaks to their partner's genuine human kindness, is that I was like, oh my god, hey!
	And then this person, and then our listener's partner was like, like real, like, adjusting on the fly to this, like, human muppet just waving.
	Yeah, totally.
	Yeah, like this golden retriever muppet person.
	Like, attacking and being very enthusiastic and handled it with- Wacky, inflatable waving arms, you know.
	1000%.
	And yeah, and handling it with grace and aplomb, which I absolutely adore.
	And you know, and Mike, you know, Mike Hedges was like, Oh, blow up the moon.
	Oh, yeah, cool.
	So, And they bought one of the coolest things I think I made.
	It's like a little aggro.
	It's like a plaque with little Posada skulls and no war but class war and old English.
	I used to do old English all the time.
	It was tattooing.
	Tattooing was especially tacky when I started learning over 20 years ago.
	So it's like, yeah, tack hard heart tacky.
	All the things that are a joke now were extremely popular then.
	So that was fun getting back to that and making something that was a little more more intense than than your average fair for for like casual art buyers.
	But that was cool.
	And it was really great.
	And I think Oh, well, I've said all of that.
	It was wonderful.
	What's your good thing?
	I am going to have the rare double good thing.
	Mostly because one is just kind of a quick mention that Evanescence have come out with a 20th anniversary edition of their first album, which one, makes me feel very old.
	And two, they've remastered the album.
	You know this about me, I'm finicky about remasters.
	Like, we spoke about Zeppelin in one of our Music is Nice things on Off-Brand.
	You know, I prefer the originals in most cases, because I like the original intent and all that.
	I don't know shit about shit, and I usually agree.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
	I like the sounds good.
	Yeah.
	Sounds sophisticated.
	In this case, the remasters are awesome.
	They've done a great job.
	And it's really refreshing to be able to hear, like, here's this kind of updated version of this thing, and it doesn't suck.
	And I'm like, oh, you know what?
	This is great because it modernizes a lot of the sound in certain ways,
	in ways that are probably more noticeable to me than anyone, but also still retains the kind of core of what the music
	was trying to do.
	So I'm like, "Ah, that's just perfect. It's great. It sounds awesome."
	There's more clarity and more kind of width to it.
	I'll, yeah, I'll save a technical thing for, I don't know, the five people who care.
	But yeah, it's really great.
	Well, it's interesting.
	I feel like there's a challenge.
	I'm never going to listen to it.
	I could not stand that band then.
	Bless their hearts!
	Do it!
	Kill it!
	I love them!
	It's a great album as well.
	It's so good.
	Wake me up!
	Your opinion.
	And I celebrate your celebration.
	That's what we're here to do.
	It takes me back to my peak goth days.
	Oh, see, I was, I was far too cool and deep and yeah, I was I was in my very, but also like, I will die defending your right to love it.
	Because it's absolutely true.
	But, but it's, it's interesting.
	Because you think 20 years ago, like, that was modern, you know, modern recording.
	Yeah.
	So what is there to- I always like, what is there to remaster?
	Have you people fucking gotten this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, so there's the whole, like, volume war situation that occurred not that long after.
	So there's this loudness and that kind of situation, though it was mostly ironed out already by then.
	But it's kind of stylistic, I guess, in a lot of ways.
	And it's one of those things where if you sit down and listen to it side by side, you will notice the difference.
	I'm sure, I'm sure.
	The original is kind of more narrowly focused in a lot of ways, and there's kind of less clarity and things kind of...
	Bleed into one another, but it was the stylistic approach at the time, you know, kind of new metal kind of era as well.
	Yeah, there are a lot of things, but no, the remasters sound great.
	The other thing is emulation, and it's something I'm... specifically game console emulation.
	And it's something that I am kind of a little bit of an evangelist about.
	And I was talking to a buddy of mine about this, and I was like, right, you need to get on this, because I know you love some nostalgia gaming, I know this is what you're all about, and I was like, I have an Xbox Series S, cheapest of the modern consoles, and within that, If you know what you're doing, you can put a PS2 and a GameCube in it, basically, through the back end, with all these games upscaled to 1080p and all that, so they look fantastic, or as fantastic as they can.
	And it's just awesome, and so you can sit there just having a great old, a gay old nostalgia time, which I absolutely love, because who doesn't love living in the past?
	Yeah, but as soon as they stopped being side-scrollers, I was mostly not good at it anymore.
	Where it's like, I don't know, this is from, like, my kind of peak time of gaming in a lot of ways.
	So, you know, I get to enjoy a lot of that shit.
	And I had, like, I don't know, three quarters of an hour the other night where I was like, HA!
	I have a moment!
	I can do a thing!
	And I was proselytizing to my buddy, and he was like, ah, there's this old GameCube game that I liked called Eternal Darkness Sanity's Requiem, and I was like, The fuck is that?
	And I know, I know, I know, and it turned out I had already actually downloaded this.
	I was like, ha, I have this, I'm gonna boot it up.
	And it's basically, honestly, it's like an original Resident Evil, the original Resident Evil games, like the very first one that happens in a mansion.
	It's basically that, but with like Lovecraftian mythology going on.
	And I'm like, Alright, you know what?
	The gameplay is pretty much identical.
	A lot of it is very, very similar, but I was like, you know what?
	This is fun.
	I'm here for it.
	I'm here for it.
	Yeah, that with Cthulhu-esque shit going on.
	That's rad!
	The games that I can wrap my head around and that I can access mentally, emotionally, and spiritually are...
	Separate and hilarious story.
	I mean, I pine for robot unicorn attack.
	I miss having that on my phone.
	I know you can play it online, but... It's not the same.
	It's not the same.
	It's appropriately stupid, and it was a very erasure time in my life.
	Uh-huh.
	Somehow.
	Somehow.
	Not relatable.
	Shut up, Lauren.
	Okay, that's not, that's weird.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	It's, it's, I'm sure it is relatable to, to a tiny percentage of our audience.
	My co-workers one summer.
	Oh dear.
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	It is hard.
	Let us know if you have the accent.
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	Thank you so much.
	Oki from Muskogee, you are now an awakening wonder.
	You are indeed an awakening wonder.
	Thank you!
	Great name.
	Thank you so much, also!
	Oh my god, if you are!
	I got to visit there once and it was awesome!
	Well, okay.
	Great.
	I made it awesome.
	I'm honestly just happy that I knew how to pronounce that.
	I'm like, I've heard that word.
	Absolutely!
	I've never seen it written down before in my life.
	Oh, really?
	Yeah, no, that's gotta be that same word.
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	Thank you!
	Please stay asleep.
	Please do.
	Oh my god, please.
	Asleep, but listening to the podcast.
	Absolutely!
	That's fine.
	I know there are some of you that fall asleep to us.
	God love you.
	They fall asleep to you!
	Let's get that straight now.
	I could take that very much the wrong way.
	No, it's because you have the dulcet tones.
	Oh dear.
	But thank you, Wanderer Cthulhu, a very topical name for my good thing this week as well, actually.
	And Elijah Arons, you are now an Awakening Wanderer.
	You are indeed an Awakening Wanderer.
	Thank you very much, Elijah.
	I'm pretty sure if I'm not mistaken, that's the, yeah, that's the listener that I got to meet.
	Oh my God.
	And you're, you're awesome.
	You're the best.
	It's really great.
	Hell yeah.
	I love the name Elijah.
	Um, you know, that's, that's, it's a great name.
	Oh, cause you're really partial to like biblical names.
	I understand that about you.
	Some of them are awesome.
	So like Nebuchadnezzar, I'm sorry.
	That's a great name.
	That's not biblical.
	I mean, it's in the Bible.
	It's in the Bible.
	But that's happenstance.
	That was a real guy.
	And his, oh my God, and his temple is fucking sick.
	So was Jesus according to these people?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	He was actually a person that was like, there was like several Nebuchadnezzars.
	I think there were three.
	They were actually contemporary to Cyrus the Great, which I mentioned in my, uh, Because I knew I would go down a rabbit hole because Nebuchadnezzar, not a nice person, the art that was made in his temple complexes and I guess palace complexes, is some of my favorite- What have I done?
	Oh, it's so cool.
	So anyway... What have I done?
	You had to go Nebuchadnezzar on me.
	I had to mention the wrong fucking name, didn't I?
	Oh, Jesus.
	But there are some great biblical names.
	Let's see, where's a good one?
	Oh yeah, Nimrod.
	Biblical name.
	For women!
	Nimrod!
	For women!
	Yeah, there's some that sound like a disease, so... Well, yeah, but there are some that... Jedidiah?
	What a great name.
	Very cool.
	Fantastic.
	That is cool.
	Fantastic.
	I completely agree.
	I don't disagree!
	And I'll let you guys know.
	Guys, History Corner will touch on Nebuchadnezzar at some point again.
	Alright, I'm curious to hear.
	I am, absolutely.
	I like to think there's only a few historical figures that would send me on a tangent, and that's not true.
	I almost lied.
	I almost lied.
	That's not true.
	I want a long treatise on why that is the name of Morpheus's ship in the Matrix.
	That's what I want.
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	The shipping is fucking insane.
	It has at least tripled, if not quadrupled, in the past couple of years?
	Couple of years.
	Like, I thought it was pricey 15 fucking years ago.
	I was incorrect.
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	In the next week.
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	To make them more affordable.
	Maybe not the magnets.
	Because, oh my god, I tried.
	I tried every trick I could think of to be like, there is no way it's $15 to ship a magnet to the UK.
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	So there are a few things bubbling away in the background for our show at the minute, which hopefully will make our listeners very happy.
	But first, we have a little bit of a strange appearance to deal with.
	As ever, I'll let Russell introduce the show and what we'll be looking at today.
	Hello there, you awakening wonders.
	Welcome to Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	I'm pretty excited about today's show for a number of reasons.
	One of the reasons is Jimmy Dore.
	Jimmy Dore's on the show with us in a minute.
	We're not bringing him out straight away, but he's hosting a presidential debate organised by this person called Christina Tobin.
	She's the founder of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation.
	Good luck with that!
	And we're going to be talking about... I've always wanted to have someone like Jimmy Dore do a presidential debate.
	Haven't you?
	That's good.
	Like when Vivek the other day goes, this should be Joe Rogan.
	It should be Tucker.
	Well, Jimmy Dore's going to do one.
	So we're going to ask him about that, how it's going to work, how he's going to handle it, as well as asking him regular Jimmy Dore stuff.
	Plus we'll talk to Christina Tobin because she's sorted it all out and stuff.
	We've got a brilliant video for you.
	We're having a look at the Middle Eastern escalation.
	You're going to love that.
	Well, you're not going to love it.
	It's actually a tragic and very, very difficult subject to talk about.
	You're gonna love that!
	I mean, wait, oh shit.
	It's also tragic and difficult.
	They are gonna love it, though.
	They are gonna fucking love it.
	Probably.
	They're gonna love saying awful things in the chat about it.
	We've learned this by now.
	We have seen this.
	Jimmy Dore has returned to stay free with Russell Brand.
	Oh, goody!
	And yeah, there's a presidential debate discussion that we're going to get into in a little bit.
	But first, as Bran noted there, Vivek Ramaswamy, Vivek, sorry, Ramaswamy, rhymes with cake, said the other day, oh, why not, why not Tucker?
	Why not Rogan moderating the presidential debate?
	And Lauren, I wondered what your thoughts were on the subject.
	Why not Big Bird?
	Why not bring Abraham Lincoln back from the dead?
	Do you know what?
	I'd tune in.
	Yeah, I thought Big Bird.
	I was like, I would much prefer.
	Honestly, I'd be kind of into that.
	Can you imagine how friendly it would be?
	Can you imagine?
	Hello, Trover!
	Fucking, really?
	It would be delightful.
	It would be delightful.
	So we've spoken about this briefly before, but I first started engaging with American politics in the 2012 election with Obama going up against Mitt Romney.
	What I miss about that time...
	[laughter]
	Well, what I miss about that time specifically is that the debates,
	even the primaries to a degree, were boring. Like, there were limitless political gaffes,
	including binders full of women, but mostly it came down to boring policy stuff, which I was all about.
	2016 onwards, however, has been more or less a literal fucking circus, and I do lay that mostly at the feet of Donald Trump and the cabal of noisy shithead he's inspired.
	So for me, the idea of Rogan or Tucker moderating the debates, I'm like, well, It couldn't get any shitter, so I guess why the fuck not?
	Like, at least people would be more likely to watch the debates at that point.
	Though, equally, if it's a debate to be taken anywhere near seriously, you can't have one of those idiots in charge of it.
	Like, it would make for great reality television, but, you know, I'm not convinced the actual content of the conversation would lead to much.
	So, you know, it is it is if they carry on as they are I'm fine with it if they actually come back to being, you know,
	reasonable then You know who I would love to see doing it is
	No, I know is Stephen Colbert, right? I think he would do a good job
	Republican.
	Can't be accused of being too liberal, right?
	But he's got his head more or less screwed on, and I don't think he's a massive tool as far as I've heard.
	Someone can correct me on that.
	So yeah, at least he would be entertaining.
	And current-ish.
	If hosts are on the table, John Oliver's my pick.
	I mean, he would be my pick.
	I would love to watch it, but I don't think anyone would go for it.
	Yeah, I also don't think that suggesting guys we like is valid.
	Well, no.
	I won't stoop to their level.
	I mean, it's not like CNN and MSNBC fucking knocked it out of the park either or Fox, the other news network.
	Yeah, I don't think anybody really knocked it out of the park.
	But yeah, I like there is a weird like, Only parts of our politics are hideously cruel.
	There's other parts that are fucking, like the politicking and the news of it all, like the MSM of it all is like way too fucking polite.
	Or maybe it's too easy to catch them off guard with reality for the rest of us that I also am not a huge fucking fan of.
	I mean even like the people that have been in the position to be able to push back on any of the terrible things that are happening are really, you know, a half measure is nice to see but is still not enough when I don't think that most regular ass people would be nearly as timid or accommodating.
	So it's it there is this kind of like dissonance between what regular Americans would behave like or feel like there is no standing for us.
	There's no one speaking for us.
	It's, you know, they're they're kind of still all part of that political class.
	So, I mean, I'd rather have is I mean, I don't know.
	I'd rather have like a just find a random high school principal, throw him in there, see what happens.
	Okay, you know what, I'd watch that as well.
	I mean, it's gonna be a shit show, regardless.
	Well, yeah, if it maintains its current trajectory, which seems probable.
	I don't think it's gonna change.
	I don't see how... I mean, on a long enough timeline it's going to, I don't think that they have any incentive to change.
	I think it's too easy and lucrative.
	Yeah, let's see if sanity can resume at any point, I guess.
	I mean, listening to what those people are saying?
	No!
	They've leaned in hard.
	The fact that Nikki Haley sounds like the fucking voice of reason is an abomination.
	It's gross.
	Yeah, it's terrifying.
	It is very worrying.
	And all of them are on side with abolishing the Department of Education.
	Y'all, I'm gonna harp on this.
	This is a fucking problem.
	I've already discussed some of the issues and I'm accumulating other aspects of that problem to maybe throw into an off-brand or something at some point in the
	near future, or if it comes up again, because Rhonda Santas is on it too,
	that is, that is, everyone should be very, very concerned.
	That that is nothing they all agree with.
	That that, yeah, that is a mainline narrative.
	Because when DeSantis brought it up, I made a point of being like, that is fucking insane because of X, Y, and Z. So if you go back and listen to the DeSantis episode, I make it pretty clear as to why that is nuts.
	And yet somehow it has become a fucking mainline talking point.
	I've been hearing it from the right-wing periphery to some degree my entire life.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And interacted with it a little bit, like as far as alternative education goes, and it's fucked up.
	It's not good.
	It is, however, one thing for it to just kind of occasionally come up in the conversation.
	It is another thing entirely for all of the presidential candidates, theoretically, to be going, yeah, this is a thing we want to do!
	I don't know if they agree as to what shape the earth is, but I know that they all agree to immediately abolish the Department of Education.
	Not even to just make an asshole in charge, which is what Trump did, but to just take it away?
	Go.
	Entirely?
	I'm sorry?
	And, you know, on top of that, I mean, like, so in the States, a bunch of school board elections happen across the country, and I think, like, all the Moms for Liberty psychos, everybody trying to, like, ban books, like, I think they- I think all of the- Most or all of the Moms for Liberty candidates lost, like the extremists.
	And then I think that like 80%, or no, I'm sorry, not 80, it was like between 60 and 70% of those equally extreme or some kind of like hard line, like kind of nut bars, they lost.
	So like overwhelmingly, much like the abortion vote in Ohio, hooray, The people, when given an opportunity, roundly reject these insane notions that people are putting forth, but I think that we're seeing the issue of voter disenfranchisement on such a massive scale in America, and that's the real problem.
	ALICE Well, my take is that if you're dumb enough and evil enough to make an enemy of LeVar Burton, of all people, then, uh... LAURA Oh, that was fire.
	That was hot fire.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	ALICE Any y'all in here?
	No?
	Okay, we don't have to throw hands then, okay.
	Jesus!
	Okay!
	I live.
	I live.
	It's great.
	It's great.
	All right, so in the next clip, Russell, he sells his locals channel a little bit, which is pretty usual, right?
	That's every five seconds on this show.
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	I feel like he's an evangelical shaman in a culture that only believes in rationalism.
	People that operate on the peripheral edge lands will...
	Always get a hard time, but I talked to Alex Jones about the number of things that he was ahead of the curve on, and I talked to him about regrets, and I say that it's a really good Alex Jones conversation, even for those of you that are not Alex Jones fans, and I know a lot of you will love Alex.
	So, Alex Jones was on Stay Free with Russell Brand.
	We know, and we're going to deal with it, I promise, but audience, I must beg your patience, we will get to it.
	It was actually on the Locals channel on November 9th, and it was back there for a week before Russell put it out on Rumble.
	Nonetheless, you got kind of a preview there as to what Russell's feelings are.
	Oh, Alex Jones is an evangelical shaman operating on the fringes of society, was ahead of the curve on a number of things.
	And a lot of Russell's audience will love Alex.
	It does say a lot, doesn't it?
	And I can tell you in advance, I'm going to be telling Russell to fuck off quite a lot during that interview.
	Our little podcast, we've just been plugging along.
	We're brand new.
	And we went from Rainn Wilson from that, from the TV show, The Office.
	That TV show.
	Yeah, yeah.
	To Alex Jones.
	To Alex Jones.
	We've gone from, yeah.
	Who most, even remotely right-wing pundits or whatever, won't touch with a ten-foot faucet.
	No.
	Because he's just too far.
	Because he's toxic.
	Yeah.
	All them billions.
	All them billions that he got sentenced to pay and hopefully will pay any portion of.
	Yeah, he's trying his best not to.
	Did you see he was filtering money to his personal trainer or something?
	Oh my god, I'm sure.
	But also- So funny.
	So I did way more research, of course, because last week was the first real asshole show that I put together, and so there's a lot of stuff about Citizens United in general, like the way that they- Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There are so many different weird little financial devices that I have learned about in the past few weeks, and all of them are so fucked up and mostly legal.
	And the stuff that's legal is crazy.
	So I can only imagine.
	And honestly, that's entertaining to me.
	Forensic accounting is entertaining to me.
	We've discussed it before.
	Oh, it's just so funny.
	Forensic accounting and turnips.
	I'm fascinated.
	Well, it's just, with Alex Jones specifically, just the transparency of it, I really, really enjoy.
	And yeah, we'll get into that a little bit more when we cover him proper, which will be soon.
	But so this show is from between the time of Russell recording the interview on November 9th and releasing it a week later.
	And I picked it up because there are a couple of interesting things that we need to deal with.
	And Jimmy Dore returning is regrettably one of them.
	But first, I do want to highlight a couple of points from the main show.
	And in this first one, well, Russell has some good news.
	But, you know, there is some good news because people say that Joe Biden Might be experiencing decline.
	He's not as potent as he once was, some say.
	Has he lost some of his magnetism and some of his power?
	Well, I'd like you to hold that opinion after you see him putting on his t-shirt like a real grown-up.
	Let's have a look.
	Oh no, I'm in charge of this.
	That's pretty odd.
	Check out Joe Biden on T-shirt.
	It's already taking too long with that music but we've barely begun.
	This is awesome.
	Like that bit, that's not, that's one of the easier bits of the tea, that bit, that's not a hard bit of getting a t-shirt
	on, bless you.
	[Music]
	That bra's fine.
	Now, that must be normal.
	That's squeezing in the head, Ikea.
	Their cheeks must, there must be blood vessels popping in their cheeks.
	Good god.
	Alright, so.
	It's so normal.
	It's so normal.
	For the listeners who can't see the video, by the way, find us on YouTube or the Spotify app if you do want to watch us as well as hear us, this is just an old man putting on a t-shirt over his shirt.
	It's an 81-year-old guy putting on a t-shirt, which understandably is not as speedy a process compared to were he a 45-year-old guy.
	But I tell you what, I'd love to see Trump attempt the same thing, because my money would also just... funny for so many reasons.
	He's never threatening his hair in public with a t-shirt band, a t-shirt neck, ever.
	I'm also just not convinced that the man can dress himself.
	But my money is on it taking a 77 year old just as long as an 81 year old.
	Absolutely.
	That's what I think is going to happen there.
	But anyway, this is the level that we've stooped to at this point.
	Is he a good leader?
	Doesn't matter.
	Have you seen how long it takes him to put on a t-shirt?
	Or how long he'll hold a handshake for in a photo op?
	It's pathetic!
	It's a collared shirt!
	He's doing fine!
	He's doing fine, yeah.
	This is so fine and normal!
	You wanna see me try stuff?
	If you hurriedly try things on over my long sleeve shirt at a thrift store, it'll be the same.
	You gotta adjust it, you gotta pull down and then adjust.
	This is the most normal clip.
	Now try doing that in front of a studio audience and see how you go, right?
	I bet it'd be weird!
	I bet it'd be shitty.
	It'd be weird and shitty.
	It's just very transparent, this whole thing.
	I don't understand how anyone could look at this guy and be like, oh yeah, he's left-wing.
	He is finding just anything!
	Anything he can put his mind to to fling shit.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	You just hate old people, which is also bad and fucked up.
	Well, the thing is, that would be the case if he was also shitting on Trump for being old, but he doesn't.
	He explicitly doesn't.
	It's just like, no, I'm going to shit on this guy specifically because he's the fucking Democratic president.
	And that's it.
	Now, of course, the t-shirt isn't on yet.
	We're not finished, which means Russell isn't quite done either.
	And here we get, in this next clip, another strong case for the return of Gareth Roy on screen.
	[Music]
	There's people applauding on the side.
	Very good.
	Well, he got that T-shirt on.
	The whole thing, look, standing with workers.
	Yet, Biden blocked a railroad strike, broke a promise to give workers seven days sick pay.
	This is the sort of thing Jimmy Dore will love.
	And upping yearly fossil fuel subsidies.
	And on an average, despite upping yearly fossil fuel subsidies... Oh, this is a new story.
	That's a new story.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	He's not done that.
	We can't blame him for that.
	The man has not upped any fossil fuel subsidies so far.
	Oh, Gareth, we need you back in front of the camera so at least someone in frame knows what the fuck they're talking about.
	Yeah, because I know what he's really trying to say.
	That's funny.
	Russell doesn't, because Russell doesn't know what's going on.
	No!
	He has no clue!
	He's just reading off the autocue, that's all he's doing.
	Oh, God.
	I do.
	So, I mean, the obvious bullshit is pretty obvious, but I do want to touch on the line that Brand was attempting to walk there, saying, oh, Biden being pro-worker?
	Blah!
	All while he neglects to mention the event this clip is taken from or why it might be of some significance.
	So Biden for the second time in the last few months is siding heavily with UAW, United Auto Workers, one of the biggest labor unions in the United States.
	The full name is the International Union United Automobile Aerospace and Agricultural Implement Workers of America.
	They're also president in Canada and Puerto Rico.
	Why is it important that Biden is seen vocally supporting unions and unionization?
	Well, Well, American power structures that have been largely defined by taking capitalism to its most extreme are typically against worker rights, because workers having rights gets in the way of profit margins, and that's just unacceptable.
	The history of union busting and anti-union violence in the USA goes back to the 1800s and persisted right through to the 1960s, after which it did become more fashionable to use economic and legal violence rather than physical violence to prevent workers from forming or joining unions.
	Which is not to say that the physical violence aspect disappeared completely.
	Not to mention the outright anti-union propaganda corporations put out, and if anyone's curious and has somehow managed to avoid any of this conversation, just Google Amazon Unionization USA and see what comes back, because holy shit.
	Anyway, Biden self-describing as the most pro-union president in history is a pretty fucking big deal if he's willing to put his money where his mouth is, and it's something that Russell should, for all intents and purposes, be in support of, right?
	Power to the people, maximum democracy for workers, and the right to strike, right?
	But nah.
	Look how long it takes this old guy to put on a t-shirt.
	That's way more important.
	Why?
	There's literally nothing wrong with it.
	There's nothing wrong with it.
	Are you gonna go into the railway thing at all?
	I wasn't gonna, by all means.
	It's bullshit.
	Well, basically, I mean, and obviously I don't have research in front of me, so this is off the dome, so I'm gonna summarize very, very, you know.
	Lauren's doing it.
	I don't know, we'll see.
	But basically he asked the railroad workers to go back to work and then continued to negotiate for those workers and basically settled the contract and got a bunch of concessions and didn't tell anybody!
	And like, the White House press, everyone, did a piss poor fucking job of handling any of that.
	And so that's, he actually did a really incredible thing for railroad workers, but even especially leftists, like, you know, don't even know about that, which is a fucking shame.
	And it is a very, very big deal to see Him actually not saying he stands with workers, not like just paying lip service, but actually giving any amount of a shit because Republicans are, you know, like, however, I mean, branding, PR, branding is how they have
	Become the kind of default, like de facto voice of the people, voice of the working class.
	Yeah, voice of the blue collar.
	Yeah, the blue collar, which could not be fucking further from the truth on any possible point that Republicans give a shit about and actually work towards.
	They are using blue collar workers and poor people as a cudgel.
	Like they always have.
	Yes, yes, absolutely.
	Period.
	Absolutely.
	So the fact that he's actually doing this, like it should be a much bigger deal than it is.
	Even if it's like, even if it's optics, even if it's a half measure, it is exponentially more than what a lot of other Democrats have done and what any Republican is going to do.
	Other than just fucking pay lip service.
	Because Republicans want to put you in a fucking meat grinder And most Democrats do, but at least they- I don't know?
	Like, less?
	It's- This is- It's amazing to me how consistently Russell picks out the only moments in my week where I appreciate my president.
	It's incredible.
	I know!
	And the thing is, like- I prepared myself for it at this point.
	We both personally have so many issues we can level with Biden, but every single time I'm like, no, this is him doing a good thing, you fucking idiot!
	And when it comes to fossil fuels, he's giving contracts when he said he wouldn't.
	He's allowing corporate access when he said he wasn't going to do that.
	So that's the complaint that Russell was aiming for, I think, in this.
	You are being generous.
	I know.
	I am.
	Folks have said that about me.
	Yeah, the train strike thing, I remember at the time of it happening, I remember it being like, go back to work, we'll deal with it.
	And he did!
	There we go!
	Done!
	It wasn't even pitched like that, it was go back to work and then everybody was up in arms about what a monster he was, and actually, oh, he did a good thing, and we don't even know about it, no one cares.
	That's a failing of communication, in my opinion.
	Yeah, I gotta say, the President's PR team is not great.
	No.
	It's not helping him at the moment, or for the last ever.
	Ever.
	Yeah, so next we have a rare occurrence of Russell discussing something that is usually glaringly absent from his show.
	Hey, listen, let's get into this with Justin Trudeau.
	This is Justin Trudeau passionately talking about climate change.
	I've not seen them that excited in Canadian Parliament since they had that Nazi in there.
	They're afraid of the concerns we have about a brighter future.
	What we are doing is fighting climate change every day.
	I've not seen them that excited in Canadian Parliament since they had that Nazi in there.
	They're overjoyed.
	Let's look at dear old Trudeau though, he loves a private jet.
	Check this out for someone who's into climate change and that.
	Trudeau burns the jet fuel 10 months, 127 in one month.
	Trudeau used enough fuel to power a trucker convoy, but to be fair, he does make a lot of truckers stay in jail, so they can't actually use their truck.
	So he give off with one hand, he take off with the other.
	Perhaps that's why he's doing it.
	Maybe Canadian truckers are being banged up and having their bank accounts frozen for the environment.
	Maybe it's good for the environment.
	Your man Donald Trump, though, he's got a different perspective on what we should fear most.
	Is it climate change?
	Press one if you think it's climate change.
	Or two, nuclear war, baby!
	Press one in the chat.
	Mmm.
	So the subject of climate change is actually being mentioned on Stay Free, and of course it's mostly just being used as a stick to beat the left with, though Trudeau is very centrist in my opinion.
	So the argument that Russell is raising here is, oh, if you love the environment so much, why are you flying on all of these private jets?
	And the problem with this argument is that on its surface it makes sense, right?
	If you love this thing and are worried about climate change, why are you doing something that's causing active harm to the environment?
	And if Justin Trudeau were just your average schmuck on the street, I'd say yeah, that's a fair point.
	We might get on public transportation of some kind, at least if it's feasible.
	But Justin Trudeau isn't an average schmuck.
	He's a schmuck who is the Prime Minister of Canada, which has the world's ninth largest economy.
	He's consequently a pretty busy chap who has to be in lots of places very quickly with as few security concerns as possible.
	It's unfortunate, but there's really only one way to achieve that, and it's with a big ol' private jet taken in places with his significant security team.
	Canada's also fucking huge.
	Is that fucking huge?
	Yeah, literally, just getting to the other side of the country in a reasonable amount of time.
	What do you expect the guy to do?
	Is he supposed to fucking fly coach?
	What's the plan?
	And like, it's not like he's going to his weekend house in Aruba.
	No, he's going to.
	Those are the people that should fucking knock it off.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	A person that needs it.
	Also, like the expectation, I mean, like the public expectation for him to show up places is as much like that pressure is real.
	That's part of the job.
	I mean, yeah, there's The jet fuel thing is very, very difficult.
	Yeah.
	And it hurts every time I hear about it.
	But man, oh man, it's that's come on.
	And Trudeau is difficult.
	Obviously, there's a lot of problems.
	Yes.
	Oh, God.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He was on Canada's Drag Race last year, and to me, that's kind of a fucking big deal.
	That is a big deal!
	Anyway, it was a drag race franchise, and he was there, and he was unflinching in his support, and I think that we can see, you know, and Nancy Pelosi has been on Drag Race here twice.
	Big deal, yeah.
	And, I mean, ugh, whatever.
	But, like, it makes a difference when people are publicly supportive.
	It's more than you get in this country, that's for fucking sure.
	There's also a lot of- Can you imagine Rishi Sunak showing up on Drag Race?
	Well, I mean, even like a third, at least!
	Boris Johnson!
	Honestly, I was half expecting it because it's goofy, but I don't think they would have been okay with it, honestly.
	I know RuPaul does not like him.
	No, I don't think that they would have been okay with it.
	And if RuPaul doesn't like something, it doesn't happen.
	Does not go on the show.
	Not at all.
	No, but it's a big deal and I mean even like a third or more every single season of Canada's Drag Race has people that are refugees from other countries where they're persecuted for being gay or just a war-torn area in general.
	So like, I feel, I'm like, man, y'all really take care of people.
	Oh no!
	And there's a ton of like indigenous queens that are on the show and get to, you know, like, obviously, you know, I mean, neoliberal retail politics isn't all it's cracked up to be by any means, but it does count for something.
	And we're not getting that.
	I mean, you know, we're not getting the same scale here.
	Our president is not on Drag Race.
	ALICE Yeah, exactly.
	And yeah, with the fuel thing, it's like, yeah, flying in general is a problem, private jets, much bigger problem, but, y'know, there do kind of need to be exceptions made for people who have to do a very specific job, which is head of state!
	Like, they're gonna have to fly to different countries and meet with presidents and prime ministers and everything else.
	Pretty fucking regularly.
	It's normal.
	Can you imagine trying to figure out the logistics of that if they didn't have a private vehicle to do it in?
	Holy shit.
	On a personal note, my home county in Wales had a few protesters go down to London and get themselves arrested as part of the Extinction Rebellion protests a couple of years ago, which were protesting climate change. Now as a general rule I support
	this kind of thing and the people getting arrested were predominantly older than middle-aged and
	female. So of course it's mentioned in the local papers which have comments section online for their
	articles right. The first thing I saw was several variants of the comment of "oh how did they get
	there?"
	And, oh, I hope you're not using gas or oil to heat your home, which is just profoundly fucking stupid, but it's very much the same narrative.
	Ultimately, we all have to participate in the system that we're in to a degree, but none of that makes our grievances with said system any less legitimate.
	Like, I earn and spend money.
	Does that mean I am not allowed to take issue with capitalism?
	Or am I expected to shed all my worldly possessions just so I can be allowed to make the argument that capitalism is bad?
	Well, that's what they would prefer, because then no one could make the argument, and then you'd shut the fuck up.
	Exactly, because then I wouldn't have a fucking voice.
	Yep.
	Exactly, and apparently the women who got arrested were expected to freeze in their homes come winter because they want to save the environment, and Justin Trudeau- That sounds very British.
	Yeah, well, yes, it does.
	Yeah, that is pretty much the word at this point.
	Justin Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, is supposed to apparently take the bus.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what the plan is.
	Yeah, big and covered in snow for half the year.
	I mean, Russell from the UK, like we've kind of established, doesn't have a grasp on a lot of real shit in the world.
	And I think this is another one that like, I don't think you get how big Canada is.
	I really don't.
	He's never driven from Chicago to Texas.
	Get fucked!
	It's long!
	I would be amazed if he ever drove himself around Los Angeles, to be honest, where he lived.
	I would be shocked if that was the case.
	Drive from fucking New Orleans to Phoenix and you tell me... Boy.
	Come on.
	Boy!
	Come on.
	Sounds kind of fun, though.
	Even in Houston, it's, well, parts.
	Parts.
	Parts, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Parts are actually pretty cool.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Crucially, in this next clip, a member of Russell's Locals channel asks a pertinent question.
	Russell, what's your position on climate change?
	I believe that this planet is a gift, that each of us are connected to our land, that each of us are connected to our community and our environment, and we should treat this earth with respect and love.
	When measures are introduced that are clearly punitive to individuals while not regulating companies, whenever they introduce legislation and regulation that's like normal people have to be in 15-minute cities, normal people can't take flights, normal people are going to get all banged up, while people like Trudeau that mouth off about it bang about in the old jets, while energy companies continue to be subsidized by taxpayer dollars, while in a fuel crisis and an energy crisis, fuel companies continue and energy companies continue to make massive profits, Thanks, going on.
	Do you know what I fundamentally don't believe?
	That they care about us.
	That's the fundamental thing.
	Whether you're talking about the pandemic or a climate change crisis, I don't believe they care about us.
	So I don't think their regulatory measures, whether they're lockdowns or 15-minute cities, are about helping you.
	Because I think, not only do they not care about you, they hate you.
	And you hate them.
	So, in a sense, it's pretty fair, isn't it?
	I hate the legacy media.
	I don't trust them.
	I try not to engulge in hakes.
	I'm trying to Awaken the limitless love within me.
	A lot of you are saying that nuclear war is a bigger threat and you are on the same side as your man Trump.
	So full of shit!
	A lot of you think nuclear war is a bigger threat and you are on the same side as your man Trump.
	That's so weird.
	That's so weird.
	So, what do you think about climate change, Russell?
	It's a conspiracy!
	They just want to control you and not the corporation so they can have 15-minute cities!
	You went to 15-minute cities in lockdown?!
	Like, those are the restrictions that are based on climate change?! !
	And so the right wing continue their war on convenience.
	Well, they want it for them.
	They only want it for them and not anybody else.
	He touched on one thing I agree with there, which is that energy companies shouldn't be subsidized in the fucking slightest by the taxpayer.
	And I'd take it quite a bit further and say the taxpayer should in fact just own all of the energy companies because that would solve a lot of problems.
	But other than that, he mostly just goes down a libertarian jag of, oh, the Earth is precious, but I don't want to be responsible for doing anything at all to help make sure it doesn't turn into a literal wasteland.
	Isn't there something in the Bible about humanity being stewards of the Earth?
	I thought that was a pretty important bit from fairly early on.
	We're not going to talk to the Bible about it, because there's a lot of stuff in there.
	No, I know, I know.
	That ain't so great.
	But, you know, I was thinking maybe I should suggest that for one of his Monday Bible readings that he's doing on his locals channel, you know, because he asks the audience to suggest passages.
	I think it's Genesis, I think it's in that one.
	Evangelicals focus on the men shall have dominion over the earth and basically, basically as like the Bible gives us the excuse to use this up because God, like, God made it for us to use and be in charge of, so we're allowed to use it up and ruin it, which to me, even if your favorite person lends you something, don't ruin it.
	I think that, top to bottom, that's a really bad idea, but guess what?
	That's a prevailing narrative in, like, fundamentalist evangelical point of view as far as climate change goes.
	They've gone from it's not real, or they're transitioning from it's not real to Fuck it.
	Like, well, no, cause God gave it to us.
	That's why they get to eat meat.
	That's why they get to do whatever they want to the environment.
	All the above.
	Yeah.
	I mean, the thing is you get to a certain point and they can't deny that it's real anymore.
	Cause it's like, well, we're pretty much drowning.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	Cause also they live where hurricanes happen.
	Maybe I should just be allowed to burn tires.
	Fuck you!
	They also do that.
	They also do that.
	I know!
	It's crazy.
	The fucking Simpsons joke of the constantly burning tire fire, you know, burning since 18-whatever-it-was, you know, there's a nugget of truth in there!
	Absolutely!
	Russell never used to be quite so shit on the environment.
	He used to bring it up with fair regularity.
	He used to be like, hey, climate change is a problem, everyone.
	As are all these bankers and all these other... Capitalism, that's a big issue.
	He used to mention that every now and then as well.
	It's funny how that's disappeared.
	Yeah, incentivising the destruction of the environment is the problem.
	But yeah, he never used to be so shit on climate change, and one must wonder what changed, but thankfully those wonderings get an answer in this next clip.
	He's doing an interview, I think, with a Mexican journalist here, and what's fascinating about this is, like, you know Trump, he's got a complex relationship with Mexico, hasn't he?
	This is when, you know, way back, you probably remember, because you lot were ahead of me, you know, when Trump first announced he was running for president, and he said that thing, you know, Mexicans, they're a drug addict, and I was like, well, you can't say that, you know, that's what I was saying, because... Rapists!
	I love the people of the earth, I love the people of Mexico, but you know, you lot said Trump would rise and that Trump was alright, you were ahead of that, well here's Trump now conducting an interview in Mexico saying that in the event of a nuclear war, Mexico will suffer due to their geographical proximity.
	We could end up in World War 3, and if World War 3 happens, probably Mexico will no longer be around.
	Because the power of nuclear weapons are so big, if they hit us, you're going to be wiped out too.
	That's how bad it is.
	He leans in like that.
	And when I hear these people talking about the environment and over a 300 year period, the oceans will rise by one one hundredth of an inch.
	And this is such a threat.
	It's not a threat.
	The threat is not global warming.
	It's nuclear warming.
	It's a single biggest threat to your country, to our country, to every country.
	Oh dear, amazing, amazing.
	Keep coming in the Rumble chat there, That Guy Talks, I See You, Salty, Baked Idaho and Colonius.
	And over in the Awaken Wonder chat, Wild Rose, wow though, she says about Trump.
	Yeah, he's got away with words, there's no question he's a great communicator.
	Read a transcript of any speech.
	There's no question he's a great communicator.
	One might describe it as bigly.
	Over 300 years, right, the ocean will rise at one one-hundredth of an inch.
	Those are the stats that Trump has thrown out there.
	In reality, the ocean is rising at 0.13 inches every year, or 3.4 millimeters if you're nasty.
	Though that has reportedly accelerated to 4.6 millimeters per year over the last decade.
	That's fucking worrying.
	Professor Jonathan Bamber, director of the Bristol Glaciology Centre at the University of Bristol, said, quote, The thing about sea level rise is that it is absolutely guaranteed.
	If you warm the planet, sea level is going to go up.
	Period.
	No caveats.
	The oceans warm up and the ice melts.
	It's an absolute given of global heating.
	Unquote.
	But no, the threat of nuclear war that's existed since the 1940s, that's the bigger and more imminent threat according to Donald Trump.
	And however Trump goes, so goes Russell.
	So, like, his audience heavily favours Trump and Russell is an absolute fiend for just going wherever his audience wants him to, so this is where we land.
	Whether Russell actually believes the shit he's saying or not, Doesn't really matter because the only things coming out of his mouth serve to minimize the issue of climate change and that's what anyone who watches his content on this subject is going to take away.
	The ocean was boiling this summer.
	Boiling!
	I'm sorry no one no one talking about this is sufficiently terrified of the ocean anyone that knows anything about the ocean or if you are fascinated by any aspect of the ocean you should be fucking afraid because it's trying to kill us all all the time.
	That's not what I learned from Moana.
	The ocean is my friend.
	I hate to break it to ya!
	It's a giant death machine!
	And that's just a max!
	Plus side of boiling oceans, right?
	I like my pasta, you know, with a good chunk of salt in the water.
	Just throw in some penne.
	Well, then you should move to Florida because the people that are in the most danger of these actual problems somehow are the most oblivious or cavalier.
	It's incredible.
	Also, Famously, yeah.
	Famously, nuclear summer.
	That's the word we know about.
	Are you fucking kidding me?
	Nuclear winter.
	Yes.
	That's so dumb!
	Oh dear, yeah.
	And just an aside, Russell said, oh you lot were ahead of me on Trump, right?
	And what he means by that is he's trying to provide cover for back in 2016 when Trump was first running when he said things like, oh Trump is a joke, the punchline of which is at the expense of all of us.
	He said something along those lines, I'm paraphrasing, which I think was a fucking salient point.
	But that's evidence that he doesn't take any of this seriously.
	But yeah, exactly, exactly.
	Whereas now he's like, well, this is where the money is, here I go!
	You're like, okay, real principled stand there, buddy, really appreciate it.
	But we can also be worried about both.
	Yeah!
	Like, nukes?
	Bad.
	I mean, they'll be hot for a second, so maybe that's what he means by nuclear summer, I don't know.
	Maybe.
	We'll be warm for a second, but then not after that.
	And then also climate change.
	Which, the argument, I mean I feel like we probably made this point, but just the notion that, like, putting the responsibility on individual consumers is already not going to work to fix climate change.
	I'm shocked for what Russell Brand's, like, the shitty talks on corporations.
	And is not even touching that, like, well, no, he touched on it and then scurried away from it and then went back to government.
	Let's go to your man, Trump.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	The whole kind of perspective on it is complete dog shit.
	That's just where we land on it.
	And inconsistent.
	As you pointed out.
	And as I remember from hearing him talk about shit in 2015 or earlier.
	Yes, he was once a reasonable rapist.
	Now he's a grifter rapist.
	So next is the moment that you have all been waiting for and Russell introduces Jimmy Dore to the show yet again.
	And press the red button.
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	Support this movement as we grow.
	And please join me in welcoming, in whatever way you want.
	Maybe you can just simply blow out your cheeks.
	You can pull out your ears.
	You can slap your own thighs wherever you are in this sweet world of ours.
	And welcome, Jimmy Dore.
	All right, Jimmy and Christina Tobin.
	You're both there together in the same frame.
	I wasn't sure what to anticipate.
	Thank you so much for joining us, both of you.
	It's my pleasure.
	Thanks for having us.
	Hi, nice to meet you, Russell.
	Nice to meet you, Christina.
	Jimmy, I want to thank you again for coming on straight away when I was in the mad midst of that onslaught.
	I really appreciate you standing up for being a man of principle.
	And to see a man of principle in a position where you're conducting a presidential debate is astonishing and surprising.
	Can you tell me exactly how this thing's going to shake down?
	Who are you anticipating participating in, first of all, just so I can have an image of it?
	Well, the way it's going to work is people are going to vote on a blockchain app that's going to be released, I think, later next month.
	And so it's going to be democracy.
	So people can vote.
	And the first top six presidential vote getters are going to be in our independent presidential debate.
	And no matter who it is.
	And so, you know, I'm hoping it's going to be President Trump.
	I hope it's going to be.
	I know Joe Biden won't debate anybody because, you know, he's demented.
	But I hope it will be people like Jill Stein, Cornel West, Bobby Kennedy, and that would be really an amazing thing to happen.
	Bobby Kennedy.
	Yeah.
	Come on.
	Well, I mean, the living one.
	Technically, that's his name.
	But come on.
	I know.
	I know!
	They do it all the time.
	They do it all the time.
	And it's gross.
	Every time.
	It is.
	So Jimmy Dore is going to be moderating a presidential debate, which is being organized by this lady here, Christina Tobin.
	We will get to her in just a minute here.
	Jimmy has already listed off his hopeful candidates to show up, including Trump, which I think is an ambitious sentiment.
	That's true.
	No, I know.
	That's not going to happen.
	The ambition doesn't stop there either, but again, we'll come to that.
	Because first, I do want to make note of Russell describing Jimmy Dore as a man of principle.
	See, Jimmy Dore is a confirmed sexual harasser, and I made a point of this in our Russell Brand Returns episode as well as the potential skeletons in Dore's closet based on the things he himself said, which is why I don't find it terribly surprising that the principle that Jimmy Dore seems to stand by is defending rapists.
	That's pretty much it.
	His face doesn't help.
	It comes off as real... I don't know.
	I don't trust it, sir.
	There is a lot not to trust about Jimmy Dore, I think that has become abundantly clear.
	Shifty is a good adjective for that guy.
	Also quicker on his feet than most of these jokers, unfortunately.
	Very true, very true.
	I mean, yeah, I guess that's part of the reflex of stand-up, you know, that's where both of these fucking idiots, you know, kind of get their chops from in that regard.
	And unfortunately, we have discovered that those skills are very applicable to other areas.
	Less than ideal.
	So I I've mentioned ambition and in this next clip we hear who Jimmy Dore wants as co-moderator
	for this presidential debate that he wants to do. Oh boy.
	A debate and so we're pushing for independent, well we're going to actually do one,
	we're actually doing an independent presidential debate, it's going to happen in February
	presidential debate is going to happen in February and we're trying to raise
	and we're trying to raise money for it right now, we've already raised ten thousand dollars,
	money for right now we've already raised ten thousand dollars we need thirty
	we need thirty thousand dollars to to get over the hump and we're gonna, it's it's it's going to be
	thousand dollars to to get over the hump and uh...
	we're gonna it's it's it's gotta be real democracy and just like the big said the
	real democracy and just like Vivek said the other night, why are you having these tools
	other night why are you having these tools of corporate america
	appear i do this is a nasty stupid questions and uh... control the debate is what their exit to control
	the narrative and why not he said when i have somebody like tucker carlson
	joe rogan well i'm here for a i was a lot of hurt that you mention my
	name and uh... but uh... here here i am
	and uh... so i'm ready to do it and we're actually looking for a i would
	love to a broken jump on uh... that would be fantastic if you could uh... so
	uh... or or someone similar uh... but right now
	uh... this is the only and i think i have a real presidential candidate
	candidates debate and because the other one is a sham
	and so uh... go back to you We've already learned that
	The debates themselves have been corporatised and what's presented as an open debate, an opportunity for us to assess presidential candidates, is part of the very system that makes the whole charade redundant.
	Christina, can you tell us, was it the spirit of the earlier debates that's inspired you?
	How are you going to make it work technically?
	How optimistic you are about it?
	And what led you to select Jimmy Dore there, the outspoken, I'd call him trans-political, progressive yet traditional, populist everyman, comic hero to host it.
	Jimmy Dore, progressive yet traditional, as though that wasn't a contradiction in terms.
	Jimmy is a right-wing blowhard these days, whatever he may have presented himself as in the past, making it an interesting question to ask this lady, Christina Tobin.
	Why him?
	But first, I've gotta say, Joe Rogan, big swing there.
	We'd love Joe Rogan to come on that!
	It'd be amazing!
	Well, yeah, of course you would.
	He's literally the biggest podcaster in the world.
	Like, I'd love to have him on this show.
	I'd watch that, right?
	Yeah, me too.
	I'd love to have him on this show for the exact same fucking reason.
	Though arguably, it would likely just be three hours of me and Lauren pillorying the guy for being a relentless idiot and pointing out all the shit he should do on his show to actually fact check the guests who go on there.
	Or also kind of fun.
	I know non-famous, non-rich, therefore way more normal versions of a meathead.
	We get along like a house on fire.
	It's okay.
	It's true.
	It's true.
	If Joe Rogan didn't have a show, I would take much less issue with the man, I think.
	I'd be like, you wanna keep six elk in your freezer?
	You go for it, buddy.
	You do you.
	Well, but also, there are moments that I don't hear much of the Rogan experience, but I do hear clips of him trying to push back, and he does more than a lot of even mainstream news.
	I was complaining about genuine... I mean, listen, it's not done well, and it's not done right, But like, even like, it's disheartening in a special kind of way, because it's on the road to the correct.
	Like he does be like, wait a second, that sounds fucking stupid.
	And then we'll be like, I don't know, man, that's kind of and it's always unbelievable to me when I hear it.
	And then I wish that it would go further.
	And then he gets talked off that ledge.
	Exactly.
	But this is this is my problem.
	And this is why.
	Possibly, to actually go further with it, maybe.
	He could probably, I don't know, with the right person, be encouraged to be like, hey, this is what you actually need to do to do this responsibly, because what you're currently doing is something that I find far worse than kind of not rebutting it at all, which is actually rebutting it a little bit And then just kind of accepting what the guest is then saying to counter that, and then just essentially validating what the guest is saying.
	Like, oh, that's a big fucking problem.
	The things that he has an expert in?
	Like, I don't know, steroids?
	Like, getting really juiced up and your face turning pink?
	Yeah, MMA, you know, being on news radio.
	Unfortunately, we can never divorce those two things, you know?
	But, like, because whenever the Liver King got really, like, that influencer got really big and claimed that he was all natural muscle, as, like, it came up, this is one of the clips I have heard, And as soon as Joe Rogan clapped his eyeballs on the guy, I was like, fuck that.
	That man is full of steroids.
	That man's ass is full of fucking steroids.
	That's fucking bullshit.
	And then took down Liver King like nothing.
	And it was before any of the scandal came out to where he was like, oh, actually, I spend like $30,000 on steroids a year.
	Rogan nailed it in his area of expertise.
	Exactly.
	Maybe do a fitness podcast, Jo.
	So it's possible?
	I don't know.
	Yeah, I think so.
	It is possible.
	Yeah, I feel like if he came on this show, we would have to be like, right, mate, this is what you need to do.
	You need to Thoroughly research your guests and what they're gonna say and why, you know?
	I don't know, there's just... There are a lot of things.
	It's so far-fetched, I have a hard time even coming along for the thought experiment, but I do... Oh yeah, I mean, he's never gonna come on this show, that's insane, but if, you know, in this hypothetical universe... I wish there was a way that I could be like, Joe, that Liver King time?
	Do that.
	Do that more.
	Do a lot of that.
	You can do it.
	Get Spotify some of their money back.
	You can tell because he'll be like, wait a second, that sounds wrong.
	There's instincts in there.
	Russell doesn't say that shit.
	There's this moment of, I know a thing, which we don't really get with Russell very much.
	I'm an adult human man.
	Oh, right.
	I have had experiences that make this obviously not true.
	I have had thoughts that weren't just written on an autocue.
	How?
	Wow.
	Shit.
	Me.
	That's okay.
	That changes the game!
	You know, it's not as lucrative.
	I mean, it's just, you know, that's that like, that parallel Sliders universe where like Joe Rogan feels confident pushing back and then becomes this giant debunking podcast, which would be amazing.
	That's the Joe Rogan experience I want.
	Can you imagine?
	I haven't until right now, and it's a little wild.
	Can you imagine?
	Because Rogan, he's got such a... the people who are into Rogan are fucking into Rogan.
	We talk about cults the most.
	He took a bite out of Liver King when he said that!
	That's legit!
	That's legit.
	We talk about cults, and there's a hell of a cult of personality around that guy, and they would follow him down the debunking road, and can you imagine how good that would be for society?
	Anyway, anyway, let's stop living in fantasyland, because I want to get into this lady here, Christina Tobin.
	I do want to know.
	I very much want to know.
	Should I get the hammer, or should we wait?
	I'll let you decide.
	When you feel you need the hammer, pick up the hammer.
	The emotional support hammer.
	So Christina Tobin was born in 1981 in Pasadena, Texas, and in 1998 So getting in there young, right?
	According to her bio on her own website, she, quote, "...demonstrated her expertise in defending signatures and coordinating petition drives.
	Her efforts were crucial in gathering and defending millions of signatures across various political parties and independents, including the Constitution Party, Democratic Party, Green Party, Libertarian Party, And Republican Party, unquote.
	Safe to say she's not short on self-esteem.
	She personally, millions of votes.
	Her most notable achievement is the founding of the Free and Equal Elections Foundation back in 2008.
	It's a 501c3 non-profit and theoretically non-partisan entity with a With a mission dedicated to broadening electoral choices through education and direct positive action.
	She also serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer of Free and Equal Incorporated, which has no such requirements for non-partisanship, but maybe I'm reading into things too much.
	Is it a 504 instead?
	I couldn't quite.
	Yeah, the two things are really, really interwoven and interlinked, so it's very hard to kind of separate one from the other.
	I don't know.
	And just as an aside, just why I asked that, because this is something I've learned that was new, is 501c3 is a non-profit that has to be non-partisan.
	Right, yeah.
	But a 504 is a similar, is another version of non-profit that is intended to be political.
	The little skosh of dive that I went into and had to abandon because of time and black holes that I can jump into is that it is very, very difficult to regulate 501c3s interacting with 504 nonprofits in a way that is very illegal and extreme.
	In anticipation of and especially after Citizens United in 2009, there was a 501c3 basically and that like you could have a 501c3 and then sort of like a sister organization of like a 504, which just made them both political organizations.
	So you can claim whatever the fuck you want and then you have to prove that you aren't, like, I mean churches shouldn't, like, from the pulpit, churches are not allowed to express any specific political choice or idea or candidate.
	Yeah.
	And that is just a rule no one follows in this country.
	Yeah, no one gives a fuck about that.
	Fucking straight up.
	They wipe their ass with it, just like how you're not supposed to have graven images.
	That commandment.
	That one can piss up a rope too.
	Yeah.
	And that was in 2009.
	You're not supposed to have fucking bibles in schools.
	Imagine how much more complicated How complicated it is now!
	It's very messy.
	That's very interesting.
	I was unable to kind of access that information.
	I did try going down that road.
	It's not hard.
	I'm sorry, it is hard.
	It's very, very opaque.
	But yeah, I would love to know more.
	Maybe something will come up.
	I think there will be more eyes on this organization now that Jimmy Dore's on board.
	down that rabbit hole and I mean listen we gotta do this every week and we gotta do what we can
	I think there will be there will be more eyes on this organization now that Jimmy Dore's on board
	um so hey maybe maybe some actual journalists out there can can do some digging maybe that would be
	helpful are they already I mean so the organization itself it's so hard to like remember which
	organization is what because all their names are so generic yeah so I don't know if I like my ear
	picked up on something or it's another organization that I don't even I know I've heard some stuff
	about you Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	If we were to use Russell's method, you know, the free and equal elections foundation is actually the unfree and unequal election, you know, everything's the opposite.
	Right, right, right.
	So we can use that method if you want.
	Anyway, this lady on the surface seems to be pretty legit, right?
	Like, my only real red flags for right-wingery so far from her bio are probably her being from Texas.
	Sorry Texans, I know, but you live in a real...
	Real red state there.
	I know all the hippie-dippie ones.
	But everybody likes shooting guns.
	It's a rich tapestry.
	This is true.
	I know some wonderful people from Texas, usually specifically from Austin.
	And yeah, she also set up this foundation in 2008, so the year that Obama was first elected.
	And I'm like, But I couldn't find the exact date the foundation was created so even that could be a coincidence, right?
	So why is she... Why is she teaming up with Jimmy Dore of all people?
	Let's hear her answer.
	Well, Jimmy's right.
	We're going to have a blockchain app powered by Nexus.io.
	Really, through ranked choice voting, the people are going to vote the top six candidates.
	I founded Free and Equal Elections over 15 years ago.
	We've been hosting presidential debates for 15 years.
	We've had Larry King in 2012, Ed Asner.
	I moderated three live presidential debates during a lockdown year in 2020.
	The people wanted Jimmy Dore, a coalition of organizers, a lot of them from the Rage Against the War Machine rally last February.
	They have another event this February at Lincoln Memorial.
	And many groups and organizations brought Jimmy and I together.
	And I met him last year in D.C.
	at that event, Rage Against the War Machine.
	He's hard-hitting.
	He's not beholden to special interest money.
	And he's funny.
	So you are too, Russell.
	And it's just like such an honor to be sitting here between two very accountable individuals that speak their truth
	aren't beholden to the special interests like the mainstream Commission on presidential debates
	Which is really crumbling an expired platform That is run by big money and it was stolen by the League of
	Women Voters in the late 70s who originally created the debate
	So the CPD has perpetuated a fraud in American voters The League of Women Voters has stated that.
	I agree with them.
	And what an honor for Free and Equal Elections to be hosting this presidential debate in Los Angeles.
	We are finalizing at XR Studios 360 immersive venue in Los Angeles this winter.
	And Jimmy's a perfect moderator.
	We are seeking another co-moderator.
	I would love for Joe Rogan, for the people out there, Please reach out to Joe Rogan and ask him to join Jimmy and I at this debate for the people this winter in Los Angeles.
	And Big Bird.
	Please!
	And bring Abraham Lincoln back from the dead.
	Yeah, go ahead, Gur.
	Please, someone reach out to Joe Rogan.
	Oh, God.
	Jimmy Dole was all like, awesome.
	One similar, but they very clearly just want Rogan, which makes it all the funnier to me that they're having this conversation with Russell, who has been on Rogan's show twice now, I think.
	I think it was only twice.
	Twice might be it for this one.
	Well, yeah, this is it.
	Albeit not since being outed as a rapist, but at the same time, I wouldn't necessarily put it past Rogan to not give a shit about that and use it as like a talking point.
	Like, so, you know.
	Even from a market share standpoint, or like a social prestige standpoint, it seems unlikely.
	I don't know.
	Also, all bets are off.
	No, I was gonna say, Guy does not care about controversy.
	So Christina Tobin and Jimmy Dore met at the Rage Against the War Machine rally slash protest.
	I can't with that shit.
	I cannot with that.
	So for those who don't know, it was a right-wing, predominantly anti-Ukraine rally driven primarily by the Libertarian Party.
	They arrived with a list of 10 demands, which Included.
	Stopping US funding to Ukraine.
	Dissolving NATO.
	Initiating peace negotiations between the Ukraine and Russia.
	That one's fine, I guess.
	Stopping rising inflation.
	Global nuclear de-escalation.
	Slashing the Pentagon budget.
	Abolishing the CIA and the so-called military industrial deep state.
	Abolishing war and empire.
	And Big Bird, and bringing Abraham Lincoln back to life.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Restoring civil liberties.
	Okay.
	And, I don't know, slaves?
	I don't know.
	And finally, freeing Julian Assange.
	It's like, at the end, they just couldn't think of any more, so they were like, Yeah, just free this guy, I guess, so we can round it up to ten.
	Nine demands just doesn't feel the same, so just get Assange out of prison, and send him to Sweden where he can be tried for being a rapist.
	So yeah, that's where these two met.
	Okay.
	Yeah, after that and this lady saying that Jimmy Dore and Russell Brand are really funny,
	I like her quite a lot less.
	I mean, have you seen conservative comedy?
	They're on the vanguard for sure.
	Because if we're grading on a curve of Russell to Gutfeld...
	Yeah, well, right-wing comedy is just too good.
	That's true.
	Untouchable.
	Can't beat it.
	Yeah, Christina Tobin is, however, somewhat correct about the League of Women Voters and how they used to run the debates, but stolen is perhaps not the word I'd use for what happened.
	So, the League of Women Voters had sponsored and managed the presidential debates from 1976 to 1984.
	The League was known for its non-partisan approach and efforts to ensure that the debates were fair and informative for the American electorate.
	In 1988, however, they withdrew their sponsorship of the presidential debates, citing concerns over the increasing control that the Democratic and Republican parties were exerting over the format and conduct of the debates.
	The League's withdrawal from debate sponsorship was a protest against the demands of the two major political parties, including the selection of questioners, the composition of the audience, hall access for the press, and even down to the height of the podiums.
	So, you know, I think their grievances were justified.
	And they expressed disappointment that the political parties were more interested in a televised joint appearance than a real debate.
	Following the League's withdrawal, the Commission on Presidential Debates, the CPD, was established in 1987 by the Democratic and Republican parties.
	So this organization, they've since sponsored and managed the presidential debates.
	And their establishment marked a shift in control from an independent, non-partisan group to a body directly associated with the two parties that it is supposed to be theoretically scrutinizing, which has led to justifiable criticism and concerns about the impartiality and format of the debates.
	So, I would say less stolen and more, you know, they withdrew sponsorship as a protest, probably thinking like, hey, maybe they'll listen to us if we do this, and it backfired spectacularly.
	Though, as mentioned earlier, the debates are a literal circus these days, so at least they can feel good about it all going to shit.
	I don't know.
	I bet they don't.
	Probably not.
	I bet they don't.
	Probably not.
	Yeah.
	Probably not.
	I mean, but it is also indicative of probably the political power that they lost throughout Reagan.
	There were so many chipping away and over Yeah, I don't know.
	I mean, even hearing League of Women Voters, like, well, I guess I'm not that familiar with the, but the fact that I'm not that familiar with that organization, I was already on the back foot.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	You know, Phyllis Schlafly had a group, like... Yeah, very true, very true.
	I don't think, yeah, this was not that.
	I think they were... No, I know it's not that, but, like, it's that, like, kind of... It used to be normal to have, like, kind of a generic name because you were, like, the only one, the group that did all the things in the country, and now having a generic name immediately puts me in defense mode.
	I mean, if you think back to the 70s as well, you know, it was still kind of amazing that women were voting back then, you know?
	Well, or had political agency, really.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	With any kind of intention, you know, it went from in the 50s, oh, what does my husband tell me to vote for to, you know, okay, let's... Well, we've had the vote since 1920, at least white women have.
	And then in the 60s, black women were also supposed to have the right to vote.
	Y'all didn't give women the vote to like the 50s, right?
	If I'm not mistaken?
	In the UK?
	In the UK?
	No, no, I think we were... I think we were around the same... That's a good... I was pretty sure it happened around the same time.
	I think it was like 19... I want to say like 19... I thought it was a crazy rule, like 16 being the age of consent, where you think that the UK is obviously going to do everything better than America, and then you're like, whoa!
	I don't know.
	But also it could have been by degrees, because...
	Voting rights!
	People have never really learned the accurate process of who got to vote for most of them.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	So I was under the impression that it was around the same time and I'm gonna get corrected and bitch slapped by one of our audience, I'm quite sure.
	Or me!
	Yeah, that's the impression I've got.
	I could be completely wrong, but yeah, I'm pretty sure it all happened.
	You know, women's suffrage and all that, I'm pretty sure it happened around this time.
	I mean, the stink was being made.
	Same kind of time.
	Yeah, yeah.
	For quite some time.
	And that was a, you know, that was a fight that happened for a really long time.
	It was honestly quite inspiring, but... Yes!
	Yeah, no, absolutely.
	It looked different here than it did there.
	So... Bar burning and all of that good stuff.
	That never happened, but okay.
	Yeah, they talked about it in a press release, and that has been a stereotype for, what, 50 years at this point?
	Which is hilarious.
	But yeah, the notion of bra burning.
	Yes, yeah, I've seen various drawings of women standing around a pile of burning bras from that time.
	Because they said they were going to do it, and they never did it.
	It's almost like all of history is a fucking lie.
	It's not disorienting at all to live in the world!
	Fucking lie written by white men.
	Okay.
	Speaking of lies from white men, next week we get a classic bullshit strawman argument from Jimmy Dore.
	Surprise, surprise.
	So what I like to do is hold people accountable, right?
	Accountable for what they say.
	And so some people think that I'm going hard on Bobby Kennedy.
	There was no bigger supporter of what Bobby Kennedy's message was, especially around COVID, especially around free speech.
	Bobby Kennedy said that if you don't have free speech, you don't have a democracy.
	And I got so excited when I heard him say that.
	And so now I want to hold him to that.
	Right.
	And so and I want to hold him to his anti-war message because he had a great anti-war message.
	He told the truth about the CIA.
	He told the truth about the funding in Ukraine.
	He told the truth about the proxy war in Russia.
	And so I think it's our job in the independent media to hold people to those, to what they say and to those ideals.
	And so people are tired of these ongoing wars.
	People in the, you know, What I like to say is that they sent $100 billion to Ukraine, which is the most corrupt country in Europe.
	They sent it there without any oversight.
	I'm talking about the United States government and without any debate in the United States.
	If you wanted to give $10 billion to the people in America, which would pay for community college for everybody, that would take a decade or two of debate.
	You'd have to have op-eds in every New York Times and the Washington Post.
	Anderson Cooper would have to interview regular people.
	$10 billion, that's a lot of money.
	But for $100 billion to the most corrupt country in Europe without any oversight, it happened in the blink of an eye, and that's how you know it's all corruption.
	For $100 billion, if we could have spent that money in the United States, they say you could end homelessness in the United States for $20 billion.
	Let's just say that's true.
	So for $100 billion, we could have ended homelessness, then started it again, and then said we were just kidding, and then ended it again.
	And for a hundred billion dollars, Russell, don't you think they could have put some money in there for a dog that would lead Joe Biden off stage when he's done giving a speech?
	It would seem to be a reasonable investment to get some sort of intelligent canine to help him get off the stage and maybe some sort of, I don't know, bird to help him with t-shirts as well, which he seems to struggle with equally.
	Okay, I mean, maybe it can be a farting crow that helps with his t-shirt.
	That's exactly what I was thinking.
	It would certainly be more appropriate than on this show.
	Yeah, so the argument from Jimmy there is dumb.
	The most obvious point Is that the funding being delivered so speedily is because while the issue of homelessness for instance is a huge huge problem in the US, like the homeless aren't currently being actively genocided by a hostile foreign state.
	Genocided by their own government in a war of attrition perhaps, but that's a subject for a different time.
	The obvious answer when it comes to it Is do both!
	We can do both.
	It's absolutely possible.
	We have the funds.
	You might have to pay some more taxes though, Jimmy, and I'm not sure how you feel about that.
	The rich people need to pay more taxes.
	Yeah, people like Jimmy.
	People like Jimmy, people like Russell.
	I saw you taking some notes there.
	Oh, I just made this little list of things that Jimmy Dore wants!
	So let's hold him accountable as independent media, shall we?
	So he wants to end homelessness.
	I'm on board.
	He wants free college.
	I'm on board.
	One might even be able to extrapolate that using their rubric that he wants to also forgive student debt.
	Who's to say?
	But it's entirely possible.
	And I'd imagine he'd be open to the argument because free speech and because he already wants free college for everyone.
	So why the fuck not?
	Let's see.
	Let's just see how these develop over time.
	I'm just going to keep it right here.
	We'll keep a note for the third, fourth, fifth and sixth times that he shows up on this fucking show.
	Yeah, honey.
	I'll keep track for you.
	You don't even have to do it yourself.
	You can make a little note in your phone.
	Well, I'm certainly not going to check out Jimmy Dore's show, that's for fuck's sake.
	Oh god, I have my limits.
	Real quick, the reason that Jimmy there is harping on, you know, being tough on RFK Jr., on Bobby Kennedy, is that RFK came out as pro-Israel in the most recent iteration of that conflict, because of course he did!
	And Jimmy Dore is using it to beat up the guy a little bit.
	I'm actually fine with it, and calling out the hypocrisy of supposedly being anti-war and then saying it's absurd to call Israel an apartheid state, which Bobby Kennedy did.
	Bobby Kennedy!
	Yeah, fair enough.
	Okay, fine.
	It's everything that Jimmy said after that point, which was complete bullshit.
	Complete with Christina Tobin just nodding along.
	Oh wait, no, actually, he said before that that he likes to hold people accountable for the things that they say.
	We do too!
	We have that in common!
	Yeah, so I said, Jimmy, buddy, watch our show, then have a chat with your boy Russell about accountability, okay?
	And then we'll see if you can put your money where your mouth is, alright?
	I've got a list!
	I can help!
	I'm happy to!
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh boy.
	We can just say I'm his intern right now.
	We can just, because I can't imagine he pays everybody.
	So, yeah, no, that's fine.
	I can't imagine he pays many people.
	Door intern.
	Door intern.
	Anyway, the presentation of these presidential debates, right, the way they're kind of presenting this is that of something radical and different and nigh revolutionary.
	So, Let's learn a little bit more about the specifics of the format of them and how they'll work.
	So our debates really engage more of a conversation, a two-minute opening question, two-minute closing.
	Each candidate, there's about five questions or so, has two minutes to respond to each question in order, and they have a certain amount of rebuttals or expansions on questions.
	So we're here as moderators to listen to the candidates And to learn from them and let the people decide.
	I think it's possible that anyone can show up at our debates because there's not really many other options right now.
	We're seeing debate platforms, a few that we have, that are very argumentative where the candidates are really taking over the debates.
	And Vivek is right.
	We need a debate.
	We're here for unequal elections.
	This is the debate Vivek and many other candidates are asking for and we look forward when the people vote them in.
	I hope, whether it's Bobby, Marianne, Cornel West, Jill Stein, and many more, Vivek, Vicky, whoever it is, they should be there for the people, and we welcome their equally.
	Who's Vicky?
	Maybe she meant Nikki?
	I think she meant Nikki.
	When the people vote them in, they should be there for the people.
	Or loosely translated, when the people vote them in, I really hope they show up.
	Because so far the best I've achieved is Larry King and Ed Asner, those famous front-running political candidates.
	Um, yeah, it is hilarious, very transparent, and the look on Jimmy's face here tells me
	he really wants to- [laughter]
	[laughter]
	Yeah, it tells me he really wants her to stop talking pretty much most of the time.
	Um, but what really strikes me about this clip is just how fucking ordinary the debate
	itself sounds, right?
	Like, ah, we have a two-minute opening and closing question, each candidate has about two minutes to respond to each question in order with a certain amount of rebuttals, and there are about five questions.
	Like, that's just cookie-cutter debate, like, standard, right?
	And also, nowhere near enough questions for it to be anything serious, of serious kind of content, and if it goes ahead in any sort of manner that she wants, with six probably right-wing shitheads showing up after, you know, the people apparently it was that wanted Jimmy Dore to moderate, right?
	So that's whose audience we're dealing with here.
	It's going to be just as much of a fucking circus as the rest of the debate.
	It's going to be six people yelling on a stage!
	Like, oh, way more official public debates, and it already is an absolute three ring circus.
	Why do you think, extra special white lady, they're going to just listen to you?
	Because magic?
	Because you're that important?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sure.
	Wish it into existence, ma'am.
	Fine.
	Okay.
	That's what she's been doing since 2008!
	She was 27 and she just knew everything about electoral politics at 27.
	It's remarkable.
	You know what?
	You don't have to know everything.
	You can be part of an organization.
	I don't think that.
	I think that she is good at making money from the political machine since she's been doing it since she was 27.
	Quite savvy.
	I mean, since she was 17, you know, she was doing, yeah, it's, yeah, yeah, you're not wrong, you're not wrong.
	And to kind of, to be able to consistently make money around presidential debates, that's, you know, you do wonder about the three kind of off years.
	Enterprising.
	Two and a half, you know.
	Yeah, I think you could make that argument.
	So next we see the return of a familiar narrative from the last time we dealt with Jimmy Dore.
	So I think independent media is essential and it is changing the landscape.
	And that's why they have to have such narrative control, right?
	And that's why they have to try to discredit people like you and try to discredit people like me and Joe Rogan is because the corporations, all they have is narrative control.
	And I've said this before, and if they can't control the narrative, then they have to start disappearing people.
	And that's a lot harder to keep covered up.
	So independent media is really poking a hole.
	And by, you know, we have a lot of, thank God for Rumble.
	Right?
	And thank God for Rumble, and thank God for Rumble.
	And Rumble's really picking up steam, and a lot of people are finding out about it, and thank God for Rumble.
	Because, you know, YouTube, which is an amazing platform, right?
	You can get your message out on YouTube like no other social media out there, and it's been a big part of my show, and it's been a big part of Bobby Kennedy's.
	Those bastards at YouTube pushing what they call reliable news sources.
	by the richest corporation in the history of mankind, it's Google, and they want narrative
	control and now they suppress, and the algorithm suppresses people like me and you, and they
	want- - No it fucking doesn't.
	They push people towards what they call reliable news sources.
	Those bastards at YouTube pushing what they call reliable news sources.
	What do they know?
	They're not even pushing them.
	They're not.
	No, they're getting rid of misinformation, but not pushing reliable news.
	They're doing a piss poor job.
	They are doing a piss poor job, but they keep removing Russell's videos though, so that's quite funny.
	Anyway, Google or Alphabet Incorporated, which is the actual company, are not the richest corporation in the history of mankind, as Jimmy Dore just said.
	In fact, they're not even particularly close.
	That honor goes to, and I know you know this, Lauren, the Dutch East India Trading Company.
	I do.
	I know you know that.
	I was contentedly waiting for that fact.
	Actually, it was going to be a guess.
	I didn't assume.
	I thought maybe a banana republic.
	Yeah, it's definitely them.
	Forever On with a bit less history knowledge.
	Those were the baddies in the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise for a while.
	Cutler, Beckett, all that good stuff.
	God, those first three movies were great.
	Anyway, yeah.
	Thank God for Rumble.
	I mean, I do most of my stuff and make my money on YouTube, but thank God for Rumble!
	And I thought that Russell was good at kissing ass, right?
	Jesus Christ.
	And oh, he says that Rumble is on the rise and doing well, but we just explored some numbers.
	Last episode, were there $58 million in the hole this quarter?
	Or the most recent reporting quarter is there $58 million.
	In the hole!
	Underwater!
	And, I mean, and that isn't as cheap as it used to be!
	Speculate to accumulate!
	I guess.
	Maybe, maybe, maybe.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, but they're doing great.
	Stars on the rise.
	Hopefully they're on the rise out of that $58 million hole.
	I would hope.
	I would hope.
	So why specifically do you think is Jimmy kissing Rumble's ass right now?
	Well, let's find out.
	Yeah, I'm excited about independent media.
	I'm super excited about Rumble, and Rumble is really taking off, and Rumble's actually gonna be getting their version of advertising, which is what makes YouTube lucrative for people and makes it sustainable for people to do shows like this.
	So now Rumble's actually going to be able to be doing that going forward, I've been told, by people in the know.
	So I'm really excited about it, and thank God for Rumble.
	They're broadcasting the presidential debate.
	Oh, that's right!
	Thanks, Rumble, so much for supporting this debate.
	They've already agreed to broadcast the presidential debate that we're going to be hosting, so thank God for Rumble.
	We will thank our Lord God for Rumble.
	I thank God for Rumble most days, man.
	I bet you do!
	Because without them, you'd be pretty much finished.
	Like, he would be forced to set up his own InfoWars-type website, which would make him nowhere near as much money for a whole lot more effort.
	Yeah, I couldn't see it either.
	Um, so, great, Rumble is gonna be streaming this presidential debate thing, and they're apparently gonna have a financial advertising system that is very close to YouTube's in the near future.
	I mean, they do already have ads, that's a thing that's present on their site.
	Yeah, but we've also found out how many ads they lost, specifically after Russell's, uh, yeah, it was like Burger King and Apple.
	Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what the makeup of this new financial advertising kind of system is going to look like.
	I'll be interested to see if there are any obvious developments or changes that we can see.
	But yeah, money and influence.
	I guess we discovered what makes Jimmy Dore pucker up to kiss some Nazi platforming ass cheeks.
	Thank God for Rumble.
	Oh, I don't know if I mentioned this last week either.
	Yes, and I don't remember if I if I mentioned this last week, but what they and this is just on their website, which again, we talked about last week is Rumble's website is pretty like as far as like reading about their actual company.
	It's pretty spare and abysmal, but I think what I can glean is what they're trying to do is, like, cloud services and hosting because a lot of dangerous, you know, like, right-wing content, well, not even right-wing, it's like alt-right or Nazi content, Um, is like, you know, like the issue with the chans and
	whatnot is like, yeah, if they won't take their website down, then you know, the, the, the
	hosting can be petitioned and then that company can be pressured.
	So it seems to me like rumble is trying to do like basically Amazon and like Amazon's
	like back end, um, services for businesses is actually the biggest business that they
	do.
	Um, and not selling stuff.
	And so I think Rumble is trying to be that for extremists and psychopaths and so which Potentially could be very lucrative Oh, yeah, I would imagine.
	A lot of people seem to give Russell money.
	Yeah.
	And so if that's what they're going for.
	And honestly, I think there's enough funding that can keep that can float a company that is in the in the red.
	Fifty eight million dollars, if it means that they can host, you know, they can have independently like I feel like hosting problematic content and then allowing problematic content creators to continue processing payments.
	Those are the two, because those are the two kind of avenues that us regular folks that think that stochastic terrorism is bad can petition and can kind of put pressure on companies.
	So if those companies are just evil, like fully, then they can do it.
	So it seems like that's how they're trying to position themselves, but it also sounds really hard.
	So we don't know if they'll actually be able to do it.
	But that could very well be something.
	Also, Jimmy Dore saying like, oh, I know this from the higher ups and people in the know.
	It's on the website.
	It's just on the website.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Fuck knows who he thinks he's talking to.
	So next, Russell is chatting about the things that you're allowed to talk about on Rumble compared to other platforms, and obviously very immediately pivots into some COVID bullshit.
	For example, you know, in our country, AstraZeneca have just lost a case and they've had to admit that the vaccine is defective and it's likely that there's going to be huge payouts as a result of that.
	Now, we've talked a lot about the pandemic and we've talked about what's been revealed by the pandemic, the convergence of pharmaceutical interests, the corruption, the ineffective measures that have been undertaken, the inability to communicate openly around them, the censorship.
	Do you feel, Christina, that this is one of the subjects that will be covered, and how much are you planning to curate and control the content, or are you saying that all of it will be directed by the people that are funding it, which means, you know, the people that can contribute through blockchain?
	I'm glad you asked that.
	We plan to ask the people to do a poll through our blockchain app, not only to vote in the top six candidates, but what questions.
	And that's why we're asking them to submit questions today and sign up for more information for the blockchain app at freeandequal.org.
	So the people will decide a couple of the questions, I think at least two of the five,
	and then the moderators, Jimmy Dore here, and hopefully Joe Rogan,
	please reach out and ask him to be a part of this debate.
	They can have say on the other questions and there'll be hard hitting questions.
	So truly, all the topics that you mentioned and more, this is actually a presidential debate series.
	So this is a kickoff for a series.
	We're gonna have quite a few debates into 2024.
	Great.
	Yay.
	I mean, why do the griff just once when you can drag it out across multiple events and make even more money, money, money, baby.
	All right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, this shit only happens once every four years, so you gotta get it while it's hot, right?
	Except it so doesn't.
	I know.
	It's constant.
	It hasn't stopped.
	Yeah, I know.
	But presidential debates are very specific, you know, you can't hold those in the off years, really.
	You know, you can't have those around, like, the midterms.
	But I don't know, she must make her money somehow.
	Oh, I bet she does!
	I bet she does.
	I wonder how much that thirty grand goes to her.
	Uh-huh!
	Bad news about non-profits, everybody!
	Because that pays my rent for this year!
	For her, anyway.
	As for Russell's, you know, AstraZeneca have just lost a case over their COVID jab thingy...
	No, they haven't.
	There's a case being put in front of the UK's High Court regarding the safety of the AstraZeneca jab and it's specifically causing blood clots in incredibly rare cases.
	It's being driven primarily by a guy who wants some money because he was directly affected by this.
	Okay, fair enough.
	I think the people who are actually affected deserve fair compensation.
	I think that's a conversation that is worth having.
	However, him and his legal team are also arguing that the jab itself is defective, should be taken off the market, and many, many millions in compensation should be given out to those who took it.
	Yeah, it kind of, it goes a couple of steps a little bit too far for me.
	Sir John Bell, who was Chief Advisor to the Government on Life Sciences and an advisor to the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunization, said, quote, it is an asteroid-like risk from the AstraZeneca vaccine.
	There is a risk of getting hit by an asteroid, but it isn't very big, unquote.
	Callous to those affected?
	Almost certainly.
	But I do think his point remains true.
	Because again, we are talking about 11 cases for every 100,000 vaccinations.
	So it's like, yeah, the people affected by that, you do need to do something.
	But, you know, statistically, it is still considered safe.
	So, yeah.
	It's incredibly... I feel like that's minute.
	And I mean, it's not like he said, and fuck everybody that ever gets hit by an asteroid.
	It's just, maybe let's look at the numbers.
	Yeah, it's, you know, let's try and, you know, should we all never go outside again?
	Because we might get hit by an asteroid?
	Or, you know, what's the solution here?
	What are we going to deal with?
	So yeah, yeah.
	So that was bullshit.
	That was just more lying from him.
	And the problem is you can never tell with him whether it's just lack of understanding or just outright lying.
	It's like, are you stupid or do you not know?
	Are you just exclusively just bullshitting deliberately?
	Anyway, we've had a lot of ass-kissing all around this evening, you know, between these individuals, but now it is Christina.
	Which is fair.
	It happens.
	Yeah, it happens a lot in right-wing media circles.
	They mean it.
	There's a lot of it, you know.
	Yeah, yeah, but now it's... With a few very obvious examples we've seen recently!
	Very true.
	That's it, yeah.
	But now it's Christina Tobin's turn.
	Thank you so much, Russell, again, for both of you, gentlemen, using your platform to make, you're already making real change in the world, but now taking it to a presidential debate and bringing these candidates together.
	I'm excited to learn and bring these ideas together, and thank you, gentlemen, for all the work that you do in overcoming these odds, because they are intentionally trying to censor you, and what's brewing here at FreeNichol.org is a bigger vision.
	It's truly an independent movement building, and I can go into greater detail another time, but there are more independent voters, and there are Democrats and Republicans, and I have seen this being in the electoral arena for 25 years.
	I'm 42 years old now, and I've seen it, the restrictive ballot access barriers, that we don't have alternative voting methods.
	These voting machines that are of the Bolton Dominion cannot be trusted.
	We need to open the presidential debates and so there's a bigger vision here and I look forward to working both with you both of you long term to really bring about free and equal elections not only throughout the United States the whole world is watching and when we unite all it doesn't matter whether you're from Israel or Palestine or Ukraine or Russia we are all different genders and races together And recognize when we unite here in America, the whole world will follow.
	And I see the Democrats and Republicans, I see beyond party lines, uh, there being more independent voters being peacefully, peacefully replaced into the really flowing into the congressional races into 2026.
	So this is an exciting year for independence.
	And I see all the candidates, whoever's running for president, there's over 150 candidates running for president.
	That's amazing, and I hope all of them consider running for Congress in 2026.
	And we're gonna have all 150 on our stage!
	Yeah!
	It's gonna be the worst Zoom meeting you've ever seen in your life!
	You know what?
	I would watch it.
	I would tune in!
	I would tune in!
	Do it!
	Please!
	She didn't have to say Dominion and Diebold!
	She didn't have to say it!
	She didn't have to say it!
	She didn't!
	She did not at all!
	That's brave!
	Holy shit!
	Hashtag brave!
	This lady needs to be taken down a peg or at least dialed down the rhetoric.
	It doesn't matter if you're Israeli or Palestinian if you just watch our presidential debate!
	It's fucking insane.
	This fucking woman, dude.
	She's delusional.
	Like, just no right-wing anyone says the word Dominion anymore.
	We know how much it costs.
	It's shocking that anyone still says it.
	This is what I was going to say.
	It's good to hear her parroting some formerly Fox News narratives there.
	Clearly she didn't hear about them getting legally bitch slapped for making the claims.
	She might want to be a little bit more careful about what she's saying.
	There's a lot of assumptions being made on her part, like, oh yeah, I can expand on this another time.
	I look forward to working with you long term, Russell.
	Yeah, that was some corporate-speak networking that honestly I was like, I'm not even mad, I'm impressed.
	Hell yeah, girl.
	Get in where you fit in.
	I don't think it's gonna work.
	It's not gonna work.
	It's definitely not gonna work.
	Bless her heart.
	Bless her heart.
	I mean, also, everyone, go work a poll once.
	I mean also like everyone should go work, work, uh, work a poll once. Go do like, um, I mean in
	Chicago, uh, we got paid. So you don't even have to like volunteer. I think that you, you.
	You say yes, and then they compensate.
	I don't know if that's everywhere.
	I know that's how it was in Chicago.
	And you will see all of the steps that are extremely involved in making a vote.
	Rigorous.
	Yeah, it's absolutely rigorous.
	The thing is, there's two options.
	Yeah, she's worked a fucking poll.
	That's the thing.
	She knows she's fucking lying.
	She knows she's fucking lying.
	That's the thing.
	Because she's actively lying and then convincing people that maybe don't actually go vote, definitely have never worked the polls, and so she can exploit that kind of distance From the basic reality, we all have the tools to understand.
	Not everybody can, and I get that.
	Give it a shot once.
	Let me tell you how much you will fuckin' learn about the electoral process in one day.
	And you will be- the doughnuts, the amount of doughnuts you will eat is obscene.
	But they're delicious.
	People buy doughnuts- I'm in.
	I'm in.
	Doughnuts and pizza all day.
	Oh yeah, okay.
	Pizza, pizza, I'm in.
	I feel like there's less pizza here in the UK, but hey, if any of our UK audience- Yeah, I feel like doughnuts are- I don't know what the equivalent would be, but there's got to be some.
	Oh, we have donuts.
	We have donuts.
	Whatever the easy thing to buy and feed a bunch of people.
	Donuts are pretty easy to get.
	Oh, but I mean as far as pizza, because it was like donuts, donuts, donuts, and then a little pizza around lunchtime, and then more donuts?
	Oh, we can get plenty of pizza as well, I just, I don't know, I feel, I don't know, probably be sandwiches of some kind I would imagine here, I don't know.
	Something, Tesco meal deals, I'm not sure.
	Anyone from the UK audience who has volunteered, you know, and you hear this sound- Oh my god, please tell us what you got brought all day!
	Let us know what you got for lunch, please!
	Because also I was in a Midwestern town.
	If you had to bring a packed lunch, because that sounds like a very British thing as well, that's definitely something we would do.
	We'd be like, bring your own food, we're not paying you.
	Well there's a sanctioned break for lunch also.
	There's a break for food and there's a break for going to vote also if you work in a different district or something.
	Or, yeah, a different polling place.
	There's so many regulations.
	I'm fascinated to know what anybody got fed.
	I don't know whether we would do that here or not, is the question.
	Whether they'd just be like, nah, bring your own food.
	We're too tight.
	Austerity!
	Oh, you love rules!
	And that's like a weird rule to impose.
	Oh, we love a bureaucracy, that's for sure.
	That's a fun tug-of-war right there.
	Yeah, very true.
	We invented bureaucracy.
	It's a French word made up to describe the British, that's what bureaucracy is.
	In the next clip, a member of Russell's Locals Chat brings up what I consider to be a pretty good point.
	Let us know in the chat right now what subjects you want to see debated by presidential candidates.
	Do you want to talk about the Ukraine war?
	Do you want to see about how war is being funded?
	Do you want to talk about legacy media and censorship?
	Do you want to talk about the pandemic?
	Someone says please don't ask Russell to moderate, his questions are longer than the answers.
	One of the rare moments where his audience can make me laugh.
	Five word questions from the man, Toph!
	laughter See? See?
	Boom! Roasted!
	laughter Alright! This is it.
	This is one of the rare moments where his audience can make me laugh.
	Um... laughter There was... there was a part of me...
	laughter There was a part of me going into this that was thinking
	like, "Hey, if they can't get Rogan, will they ask Russell?"
	Because, you know, big draw and all of that, definitely go along with all these shits.
	And then I thought of this very- And rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble.
	Rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble.
	I thought of this very problem, like, can you imagine the rambling series of questions within a question that he would ask the candidates?
	It would be insane!
	Because he wants a yes or no!
	He wants the one or two!
	Here's a five minute question and you get two minutes to answer.
	Go!
	Fucking hell.
	It would be insane.
	Oh dear.
	At the same time, again.
	That's hilarious.
	I would tune in.
	I would watch that.
	I would.
	I mean, I would have to for the show, but I would also definitely watch that just to be like, oh, this is a train wreck.
	For sure.
	This is a car crash.
	Guaranteed.
	Guaranteed.
	Yes.
	Oh, dear.
	Not that our listeners should go and beg for this anonymously for somewhere, and then we would have to livestream it.
	Everyone email Christina Tobin or tweet her or whatever else, you know, and be like, nah, nah, nah, fuck Joe Rogan, get Russell, get Russell.
	He really seemed to take a shine to you on the show, and I appreciate that quite a bit.
	He loved it.
	It'd be great.
	It'd be great.
	And he's mates with Jimmy.
	They're both comedians.
	Both hilarious.
	Oh, dear.
	Anyway, Jimmy and Christina have fucked off to be ghoulish somewhere else.
	We don't have to deal with them anymore.
	But Russell's show continues with a segue into an editorial.
	One of the things I didn't have time to talk to Jimmy and Christina about was, look, check this out.
	Hillary Clinton, George Bush, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, John Fetterman, what do they all have in common?
	None of them will talk about peace.
	None of them will talk about a ceasefire.
	Have you noticed now that legacy media won't even discuss that possibility when it comes to the Middle Eastern conflict?
	See, yeah, this is just flat-out bullshit right here.
	I mean, Hillary's a war hawk, so yep, she's like, bombs away, baby, let's go!
	Though her answers are generally couched in, but Hamas are terrible and don't understand the meaning of ceasefire, and it's like, well, what about the rest of Palestine?
	Joe Biden is pretty much just happy with Israel doing whatever the hell they want also.
	Not great.
	Obama is pretty much fence-sitting and saying that both sides are terrible and how can we all be doing this?
	We need to consider our own personal role in all of this.
	I'm like, well, you were the president.
	You definitely had a fucking role in some of it.
	It's not all the same.
	Not the same, baby.
	No, definitely not all the same.
	Definitely not all the same.
	People in power have much more of a thing in it.
	But yeah, he's firmly on the fence.
	Bernie Sanders has been pretty outspoken about wanting peace and a ceasefire, so that's just flat-out bullshit.
	And as for John Fetterman, When the fuck did his name start getting mentioned in this list of people?
	Like, who gives a shit what a random senator thinks?
	He's not random though, because he makes conservatives mad!
	He's like the new AOC, but a dude who doesn't wear the right clothes.
	That's why they're mad!
	But the thing is they'll be on board with him, right?
	So the rest of them are all either current or former presidents or heavy-hitting candidates, right?
	And then there's John Fetterman, guy who's mostly known for wearing a hoodie and shorts.
	What Russell is correct about is that John Fetterman is pretty dismissive of the idea of a ceasefire.
	He's very fucking pro-Israel, which is why the right would love the guy!
	Well, but it's not even that cut and dry, and there's a lot of other subjects that he's progressive on, so... Yes, no, no, no, absolutely.
	They're doing the Soros to Schwab with the AOC, because it's all just women, and Rashida Tlaib, and Katie Porter.
	Cori Bush is like, they're all just like, obviously all the women are demons and duh, but they want to also get Fetterman in their sights.
	That's where demons live in the ovaries.
	I have some, I'm obviously a drooling buffoon.
	It makes you stupid, and that's why you have demons in you, Lauren, right?
	It's in the ovaries.
	You couldn't be more right.
	And so that's why, disregard any female human out of hand, but then also you want to have a Bernie, you want to, they want, I mean, they're just, it's the Schwab to the Soros, is like, Fetterman's the new one, which like, also, if his constituents Pressure him.
	He may very well change his mind because he does actually represent his constituents, or at least tries to and plays lip service to it.
	A lot of his former staffers are taking issue with his positions and trying to pressure him to change his views.
	So, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And I think that we can see that, like, pressure has been working The narrative has been changing.
	It's one thing that especially works with politicians.
	Because that's how politics is supposed to work, because you're supposed to represent your constituents.
	That's how it's supposed to work.
	Yes, exactly.
	Exactly that.
	And if they don't listen, then they theoretically could be fucked in the next election.
	So they have to listen is the idea.
	Anyway, Russell essentially takes a 20 minute editorial to shout, No one wants to talk about peace while also conveniently ignoring the many, many times people have called for a ceasefire or peace, and simultaneously being like, oh, out of a day, they only mentioned the word cease in approximately 19 cumulative seconds of coverage.
	Oh, so they did mention it then.
	Unlike what you just said.
	It was discussed.
	Okay, buddy.
	The whole thing is bad and infuriating and nonsensical and to go through it would just be another three hours of him saying something and me going, nope, next!
	Which, while a fun exercise, I don't think would be interesting or entertaining to engage with.
	So that brings us to a close here today.
	Woo!
	Wow!
	Look at us!
	I know!
	I know!
	So tight!
	How'd you feel about Jimmy Dore being back?
	You know what?
	Less painful than I thought it would be.
	That's fair.
	I'm an intern now!
	Look!
	My list!
	I've made a list!
	That also does hilarious things to my webcam when I hold up a piece of paper.
	But yeah, no, that's, I mean, it's honestly pretty incredible.
	The thing that I am fucking alarmed by, just what I see as a trend is, and what Russell is obviously doing, and I feel like we did a really good job, you did a really good job specifically of pointing out and like taking that, you know, the week to look at his chat and see like what it looks like that he's, and then, oh, we found out that he's making a cult.
	But like the dog trainingification of his chat of like one, two, yes, no, Hillary bad, Hillary especially bad, that is super fucking alarming because for a while now, people with an agenda, right-wing or conservative or just extremists, Have been pushing the notion and bolstering the notion in their own efforts for either making money or political influence or whatever that democracy equals voting on reality just because a loud voice.
	Or just because a couple of loud voices are saying, this is reality, does not make it so.
	Does not make it the truth.
	Truth cannot be crowdsourced.
	I mean, research can be crowdsourced.
	People can work on shit, that's fine.
	But just people saying, I believe this, and enough of you saying that does not make it true.
	That is, and the fact that like, Absolutely!
	And like, and the fact that Russell does it is one thing.
	And I do, obviously I know that there's other like kind of binary, like binary conditioning for other stochastic terrorists around that's obviously like a thing.
	But to hear that this is, it seems like this is a pervasive device, not only to boost engagement on social media, which is worth its weight in fucking gold, no matter which way you slice it.
	But also, they wanna do that with this app.
	Guess how much data that fucking app is gonna scrape off your phone.
	Oh baby.
	Oh yeah.
	You fucking guess.
	Because guess what else is going in her pocket is selling your data to third parties and so like but also training people that like oh well the only valid way that we can have a society is for you also what we see.
	Is the public freak out of it all?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, public freak outs have, you know, I think that people have always freaked out in public, and we see it more now because of our phones, but I think it is also just genuinely happening more.
	And because, like, something that you see with racists and bigots a lot is they think Everyone else around thinks like them.
	They think that they are the norm.
	And they're like, Oh, I'm just saying what everyone's thinking.
	When really, no, you're just a loud piece of shit who's entitled.
	And you think people agree with you when they don't want to look you in the face, because they don't want to be in your line of fire.
	Being quiet doesn't mean they agree with you.
	So having that like, Taking that, the type of person that clings to that attitude of, I'm the silent majority, I'm just saying what everyone's thinking and I'm brave enough to say it, taking that to a voting platform, assuming that there's this little insular crowd, oh well this is everybody, not a minute sliver.
	Of the population.
	I mean, fuck, even thinking about the amount of people that vote in this country is embarrassing.
	And so if you take that, like, and just take a teeny, teeny, teeny, tiny little portion of that, like, and the numbers that we discussed last week, The dude that was calculating what kind of money a person like Russell or an influencer could make is expect like what was like 1% of any of his watchers to go like anyone watching to go to his website and then like it was a fraction of that that will actually buy something and it's still several hundred people but like
	They're relying on so much exposure to be able to keep this machine going.
	And so you've got like, it's a tiny, tiny amount of people that are actually engaging in doing this.
	But it's like, because they're surrounding themselves, and this is, listen, you need to watch out for this no matter who you are.
	Like expecting this tiny little group that because you all agree with each other, then that's the way it is everywhere.
	And this is everyone, they're just not saying it.
	This is reinforcing an extremely dangerous worldview and approach to politics and reality in general.
	And we're seeing the results.
	We're living with the results of this every single day.
	It's terrifying.
	Yeah, it's a very intense echo chamber that is causing some real fucking problems.
	It's sucky.
	It's really shitty.
	In a word, it's sucky.
	Yeah, no, I'm with you.
	I'm 100% with you.
	There are countries that legally you can only campaign for six weeks before an election.
	Yeah, we are one of them.
	Are you serious?!
	Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The campaign period over here is wonderfully short. And you know, all of the
	emotional support hammers come out.
	I'm upset.
	Yeah, like the political ads and everything.
	I thought that I remembered that correctly, and I talked myself out of that.
	Very short period of time.
	All of the money is theoretically accounted for.
	So, you know, we can see everything.
	The Tories always seem to manage to break the rules and then get fined a tiny amount for doing so.
	Whereas, like, the left don't.
	Well, fines are... Fucking infuriating.
	Yeah, fines mean nothing to... Yeah, exactly.
	It means nothing to people with lots of money like the Tories.
	Or like public funding!
	So wait, so do y'all have public funding or you just have accounting of funding?
	I think it's a little bit of column A, a little bit of column B is the answer.
	But yeah, we don't have like super packs or any of that shit going on.
	We don't have the crazy amounts of money.
	It's so bad.
	It's just, it is so incredibly bad.
	And it's only getting worse.
	There are caps on political spending.
	There are caps on how much you can spend, I think.
	And the Tories keep going over those caps, is the problem.
	Usually through various attempts at sneaky accounting.
	Again, because we're bureaucrats, we fellow British people pick up on.
	Because we're like, haha, no, this comma here.
	Because we live and die for that shit in this country.
	I love it.
	I think it's great.
	I'm here for it.
	I think that that's something that I don't think we talk about enough, is how elections look like in other countries.
	Australia has mandatory voting, and it's not like it works out great.
	Not the rest of the world, does it?
	Right.
	Well, and listen, there's obviously a spectrum, but it's something that Americans are... Well, Americans are blind to a lot of the rest of the world, but this is a huge thing that Americans are so... I mean, we're all so conditioned to...
	Not be able to see, or, not like ships, I'll be apocryphal, sorry about ships, I don't mean like that, like there's no like, there's no way for, there's no vision of an alternative.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Or what elections could look like.
	It's also outrageous, you know, something that she said about variety, like varying
	how you can vote.
	She said that it's like access, you know, from different methods of voting.
	I don't remember if it was good or bad, but it sounded like she wanted more access to
	It sounded like mail-in ballots, like that kind of thing.
	Yeah, well, that's what she was doing when she was 17.
	That was part of the gig.
	And that is theoretically what part of her foundation does.
	Your team doesn't like that, ma'am.
	I don't know.
	No, they do not.
	No.
	I do wonder how she reconciles that with with herself.
	Yeah.
	Because that's the thing.
	Like when I when I I kind of I looked into a like right at the top before I before I watched kind of the rest of it.
	I was like, who the fuck is this lady?
	And I was like, huh.
	She seems fairly legit.
	That's interesting.
	That's unusual.
	All right, let's let's see what's like seemingly, theoretically on paper, decent track record.
	Okay, let's let's have a look.
	And, and then all this other shit comes out.
	I'm like, Oh, dear.
	Oh, no, there's nothing I like about this.
	This is terrible.
	You know, but I'm like, how?
	How can you be both of these things?
	There is definitely, yeah, there's something missing.
	Well, but even looking at a non-profit, the definition of social good, which is what you need to do.
	You have to have some kind of goal for social good if you want to have a non-profit.
	But boy, that definition is broad.
	Very loose, very loose.
	Yeah, broad and loose.
	Dangerous.
	We're going to have to keep an eye on this presidential debate situation and see how it develops because it could be wildly entertaining, I don't know.
	Will my live streaming rustle or not?
	Maybe, maybe.
	We'll keep tabs on it in any case.
	I'll have to take notes for Jimmy Dore to make sure that he pushes his agendas.
	I want to see who they get in as co-moderator, because it's not going to be Rogan.
	I'm kind of here for it, like, sport-wise.
	If I can learn about rugby, and I don't even know nothing about rugby, and I was very interested, and I learned quite a bit.
	You do now!
	Yeah, you know some stuff about rugby now.
	It would be inappropriate for me to not feel equally interested.
	No, I'm going to make fun of it, and it's a shit show, is what I'm going to do.
	Yes, yeah, that's absolutely the plan.
	I might do so with it.
	We might have to live stream that if it happens.
	A couple of beers and some chips slash crisps.
	That's the thing, I don't know the likelihood of who would show up.
	No, that's the other question!
	I do feel like previously she hasn't had a face like Jimmy Dore to help promote it, so I do think that will help.
	I think Vivek is likely to show up, because he seems to show up to pretty much anything.
	He's a pretty easy get.
	Karaoke machine?
	Definitely.
	Yeah, he's definitely there.
	But other than him, I don't know.
	Marianne Williamson probably would.
	Cornel West probably would, in all fairness.
	These are all pretty easy.
	I mean, it depends.
	She's on the wind, though.
	It's kind of tough.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I think at RNK Jr.
	that'd be a big draw.
	But I don't know if he would do it.
	Because he's like, he does, no matter what, he's a Kennedy's kid.
	So like- It's true.
	It's true.
	Yeah, I mean, he might.
	He might.
	Though he probably doesn't like the way that Jimmy Dore's been beating him up lately.
	So I don't know whether he would for that reason.
	Or maybe he would to be like, ah, fuck you, Jimmy Dore.
	You know, maybe he'd show up and try and act- Act of the Big Man, yeah exactly.
	There are so many possibilities.
	We'll be keeping an eye on this audience.
	I don't want to keep speculating.
	I don't want to get my hopes up.
	It's literally trying to figure out the lineup of the circus before it's been decided.
	It's literally there, like, is the dancing bear gonna be there?
	And that's where we're at.
	I hope so.
	Can you imagine if Trump showed up?
	Holy shit.
	The world.
	It's not possible.
	It's never gonna happen.
	Never gonna happen!
	Never!
	Not in a million years, but the world would end.
	I don't need to... I don't want to go on a tangent or anything.
	Have you been following the trials?
	Not really, no.
	Trump's busy, baby.
	Trump is busy!
	It's not going well, from what I can gather.
	Oh my god, it's not at all!
	That's the CliffsNotes version that I've got.
	It's fucking wild!
	Yeah.
	It is.
	That's a three ring fucking circus.
	So I'm just saying, I don't think Trump can swing it.
	I don't think Trump can swing it, but I do want to point out because... He might be in prison by the time he's... With all the legal shit.
	Far from running.
	That has to be your priority, you know, is going to court.
	Or else he'll get penalized more than he already is and be in contempt more than he is.
	It's a whole mess, but I mean...
	It cannot be understated how much Trump is running to keep himself out of legal trouble, and I do think there is an element of, like, Russell identifying with that, because if he- Oh God, yeah.
	You know what I mean?
	He's trying to keep ahead of whatever potential legal ramifications are coming, or, like, nipping at his heels.
	Oh yeah, that's why he's looking at Bali.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	And extradition treaties.
	I think there's a definite truth to that.
	And even before that, he wanted Trump on the show.
	That's his big thing.
	Around the DeSantis time, he was like, oh yeah, we'll have to try and get Trump on.
	Okay.
	I mean, it's possible!
	It's possible.
	If his audience keeps growing and everything else, like, I don't know, when it comes nearer to crunch time, assuming he's not been taken out of the race by then, maybe?
	Y'know, who knows?
	A-N-A-N-A-S.
	That would be... That would be nuts.
	Fuckin'...
	It would be, it would be crazy, but, like, given the amount of time that Russell spends sucking Trump's balls, I would not- Yeah, he's trying.
	Yeah, he really, every single day.
	And I mean, yeah, all bets are off.
	Like- Yeah.
	And Trump loves flattery, and that's his main thing, you know.
	You guys all do.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	Yeah man, holy shit.
	Yeah, so it's gotta be an interesting twelve months, let's put it that way.
	Because how are we... we're still a whole year away from it, fuck me.
	Oh, how is there so much of this in your country?
	It's absurd.
	You know, we have the politics.
	Yeah, we have the politics over here.
	But you know, it's not the constant fucking electioneering.
	Jesus Christ.
	Well, I think that there's a degree of like parliamentary systems being less Well, yeah, I mean, a two-party system is a fucking disaster.
	At least all of those.
	Well, but I mean, Parliament is supposed to, and there's at least more safeguards in place to have like a more representative body.
	Theoretically.
	At this point, it's basically a two-party system plus Scotland, at this point, is what we've got.
	And they don't want to be there for much longer, and I don't blame them.
	And we've been two-party since forever.
	It's always been It's always been the Tories and the Whigs, as they were called.
	British electoral politics has always been a fucking disaster, to be completely honest.
	But there we go.
	I do remember a time when Will Ferrell was making jokes on Saturday Night Live about Parliament.
	Getting in fistfights and you're like, OASIS RULES!
	I remember that from my youth, being on Saturday Night Live.
	And now, oh how the tables have turned.
	Some fucking dipshit from Oklahoma was trying to fight the head of a union.
	Buddy, the turns have indeed tabled.
	I am, I am, yeah.
	I, uh...
	God.
	What a wonderful time we're living.
	Oh no!
	Alright, well we'll keep an eye on all of this because it's going to be fucking funny at the very least.
	And nice to get back to our regular haunts and only a little bit of the editorial, which thank you.
	Yeah, I watched the whole thing and I was just like, this is something.
	Bullshit from start to finish.
	There was nothing, there was no meat on the bones.
	That really upset me.
	I was just like, this is just fucking bullshit.
	We expected that though, is after covering for a while, we don't need to retread the same, you know, the same information over and over.
	It's not even the same information.
	There was no information.
	It's just him saying something and it being bullshit.
	ALICE Yeah, and the problem is, with Israel-Palestine, he's not willing to pick a side, but he still wants to cover it, he still wants the sensation of it, so he has to walk this funny line in the middle where he's just got nothing to say!
	LAURA Well, I appreciate you saving us from that mess.
	ALICE Well, you're welcome.
	You're welcome.
	It's shit.
	By all means go and look at it for any audience who are interested, but oh boy, terrible.
	Right, so that brings us to a little bit of a close, but Lauren, do you got some plugs for us today?
	I do indeed.
	What is it?
	Well, first, I will say, in regard to Israel-Palestine, there is movement towards a ceasefire and towards an actual humanitarian solution.
	We need to just keep the pressure up.
	Physical letters, apparently, and faxes.
	Or a real motherfucker for the politicians that aren't paying attention.
	Why is everyone so old?
	Listen, because they can just let their voicemail boxes give- I mean, they have to listen eventually, but it's just the whole thing.
	Yeah, I guess.
	So, if you're doing it, keep doing it.
	Great job.
	It's awful.
	It's an awful thing to have to witness and also fun with my fucking $10.
	Anyway, so that's my moral plug.
	And so, not this weekend, next weekend.
	So we are coming back to St.
	Louis, our hometown, on December 2nd.
	And these are gonna be our last holiday events of the year, and then I'm gonna be doing online stuff and focusing on getting shit in consignment here in Chicago.
	But in St.
	Louis, the Cherokee Print Bazaar, it's like this, so Cherokee Street, one of my old haunts back home.
	It's this fucking amazing event.
	It's so cool and like, It's all the print folks in print shops show up and show out every year, and so that's December 2nd from 11 to 6.
	It's rad.
	Any edition printed material you could possibly imagine, anything that's a version of a couple of them.
	Um, you'll see there and represented.
	It's a really great event and it's accessible and it's cool.
	And, uh, and we're working ourselves like dogs to, to like show up and do good.
	So, um, that's awesome.
	Saturday and then Sunday, December 3rd from noon to five at Four Hands Brewery.
	It's like down in Soulard.
	Um, We do the Holiday Bazaar every year.
	Our friend Nicole, baby, she has organized it for a number of years and it's always awesome.
	It's awesome to see everybody.
	It's awesome to have, you know, like take care of some of your Christmas shopping.
	We're here for it.
	Yeah.
	And so yeah, so we've got a very busy weekend, but it's going to be cool.
	And anybody in St.
	Louis, I know some of you are listening, you angels, I'd love to see you and give you a big old hug.
	Yeah!
	Do it!
	Do the thing, and support independent creators buying shit for Christmas!
	Yeah!
	It's coming up!
	It's good!
	Folks do great!
	Oh, before I forget, this episode is unintentionally being released on Thanksgiving, so happy Thanksgiving, I guess, everybody!
	That's a thing that's happening!
	I don't celebrate Thanksgiving, and it's really inappropriate.
	I was very effectively radicalized by the Addams Family Values movie when I was young, and it stuck with me.
	Representation matters, even when it's Wednesday Addams and Pugsley.
	We need to give credit where credit's due.
	And I wish this would have come out before Thanksgiving so I could encourage you to lie to as much of your family as possible and stay home and eat corn dogs, because that was the first Thanksgiving, I conspired to avoid.
	My partner at the time and I, we both just lied to each other.
	Like, oh yeah, we're going to the other family's house.
	Oh yeah, I'm going to Lauren's house.
	I don't know, but I'm going to go to, yeah, so.
	Did a round robin.
	It was a real, that was my favorite first, no Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving.
	I think it was like 24 or something, but doing it ever since.
	Interesting.
	You don't have to do any of it.
	I hope you're listening to this while avoiding your family.
	Well, however you celebrate, or if you choose not to celebrate, or however you do things, I hope you have a great time.
	Eat a shitload of food, watch a parade, why not, do all that stuff.
	But yeah, there is always, in the back of my mind, just that kind of slight nugget of darkness there.
	I always think of the King of the Hill line, like Dale asks John Redcorn, like, Do your people celebrate Thanksgiving?
	And he said, we did, once.
	Oh, shit!
	And that sticks with me.
	But hey, not an issue over here.
	I'm not having turkey, I'm not doing anything tomorrow.
	Tomorrow is... Yeah, it's not...
	It's fuckin' Thursday for me, that's all Thanksgiving is to me!
	It's usually a Thursday I work my ass off to try to get ahead.
	That's usually it.
	And also, if you've had a deal with your family, or if you plan to deal with your family, I hope you had fun, or hang in there.
	It'll all be over.
	Hey, maybe we gave some of you a little bit of reprieve.
	Maybe you're listening to our show instead of dealing with your family.
	That'd be cute.
	I know that's a move!
	I support that move.
	100%.
	Definitely.
	Oh yeah.
	Really important around family time, and I need this.
	Fucking find a way to get your own space.
	Just get the fuck into a little room on your own and just stay there for, you know, half an hour.
	You'll feel so much better.
	Yeah, and if you're anything like me, I encourage you to go into great detail as to the injustice of the holiday of Thanksgiving.
	You may be able to win, you never know.
	And then your family will be fine with you disappearing for half an hour because you'll have bombed them all out.
	Exactly.
	You may get out of Christmas too, you never know.
	It's a win-win.
	Alright, if you want to support us on Patreon, please go to patreon.com slash onbrand.
	We would be very, very grateful.
	There are a whole bunch of new people going there, and we are coming eerily close to our next stretch goal, which is super-duper cool!
	Yeah, I know, it's creeping up!
	It's creeping up, and I'm like, oh shit!
	Got a lot of things going on, but this is happening, and I'm like, oh, we're going to need to deal with that.
	Okay, cool.
	But it's a positive, and it'll be a fun one, because it's dealing with Brandemic, which, you know, the comedy special the brand put out, which is objectively terrible.
	Yeah, if you want to get in touch, drop us a line at theonbrandpod at gmail.com.
	Had a couple of nice emails this last week.
	We'll respond to them at some point, but thank you, you know who you are.
	And I got some nice Instagram interactions and Facebook too.
	Yeah, we've had lovely human beings reaching out.
	I am consistently terrible at responding, but we love you.
	Really?
	Uh, there's...
	I'm really busy.
	(laughing)
	There is Facebook.
	It might be January, but I'll get back to you.
	We'll fuckin' get there.
	There is a Facebook group, On Brand Awakening Wonders, come and say hi, there are some lovely people talking and doing stuff on there, that's a good time.
	And there's still a subreddit!
	There is a subreddit, yeah, onbrand underscore pod, good fun happening over there too, with With our wonderful Maud Moniker.
	Absolutely!
	And on socials, we are the on-brand part of most things, except for Twitter, at which case, just do a little searching.
	You'll find us.
	Logo.
	The magnet.
	Look for the logo.
	Look for the magnet.
	That's right.
	You'll find it.
	You'll find it.
	And there it is.
	And personal socials, I am at ElworthOfficial and Lauren is at made.by.lauren.be.
	And I'll be making stuff.
	Making stuff!
	Making stuff.
	Ask and I shall wrap it for you.
	I kind of love wrapping presents.
	Ha, you're one of those people, huh?
	It's my one thing.
	I know.
	I know.
	I know it's weird.
	Yeah, it doesn't track with the rest of you, but okay.
	I'm one of those people where I'm like, well, half a roll of sellotape, I will make sure you're never getting into this present, but happy Christmas!
	I will also spitefully sew presents shut.
	My sister and I don't get along.
	Listen, you get creative.
	Alright, alright.
	I need to get better at sewing so I can do that to my brothers.
	They get really mad.
	It's awesome.
	Yeah.
	Okay, so slippers.
	So you have one that's like wrapped and wrapped and wrapped.
	Like if you do a bunch of layers of wrap with like tape and stuff and then they open it and they see it's just one slipper and then they know that the other slipper is in the box that is sewn shut and the life drains from their eyes.
	It's pretty fantastic.
	Ugh, okay, okay.
	I need to find a way of doing it with like a bottle of whiskey or something, you know?
	It's like a fun prank, but also if you really genuinely don't like each other, even better.
	Or at least equally effective!
	I like my brothers, but yeah, I definitely, I need something, because I do enjoy doing that.
	I do, yeah.
	It's a move.
	It's a move.
	And to my niece and nephews especially, I'm just like, how much sellotape can I put on one present?
	Just watch him wrestle with it, you know?
	Maybe that'll be my holiday tutorial, is how to sew a present shut.
	Keeps you occupied on Christmas Day without even having opened the present yet.
	Fantastic.
	That's exactly what you want.
	Oh, the holidays.
	You can find us on socials for all of these.
	Happy Turkey Day, gobble gobble!
	Yeah, find us on socials.
	I do not post there enough, to be perfectly honest.
	I can't remember the last time I said anything on there.
	I can't imagine why, with all this free time you have.
	Woo!
	Yeah, I've got all the time to be thinking about that.
	We're dealing with it.
	It's all good.
	We're dealing with it.
	Alright, well, thank you for tuning in, everybody.
	We'll see you next week for some more fun stuff.
	We love you very much.
	Bye!

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