Joel Webbin and Alex Stein dissect the Artemis moon mission as fraudulent imagery, link NASA to Nazi origins, and debate biblical cosmology involving trapped souls in the earth. They defend Donald Trump's potential rectification while criticizing his refusal to apologize, contrast Mexican assimilation with Indian H-1B visa holders, and analyze Tucker Carlson's resilience against antisemitism accusations compared to Nick Fuentes. Ultimately, the dialogue frames modern globalism as a Freemason distraction, suggesting that financial aptitude and political shifts stem from deep-seated cultural and religious conflicts rather than simple policy disagreements. [Automatically generated summary]
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Nations, Languages, and Judgment00:13:50
And so, my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you.
Ask what you can do for your country.
How they just did this Artemis mission and they gave us some crappy pictures.
That was the fakest crap I've ever seen.
I don't believe that at all.
That they were on the dark side of the moon and they showed us pictures that were just as bad as 1969.
NASA is the biggest, you know, that in Hebrew, NASA, NASA, means to defraud.
It's just, it's NASA.
It was created actually by Wernher von Braun, who was a Nazi that we brought over in Operation Paperclip.
So the idea that NASA is telling us the truth.
And then you look at Elon, I know you probably like Elon because you're big on Twitter.
But I think Elon is so full of S H I T.
I mean, I don't trust him.
Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I'm going to talk about Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin is an excellent.
All right.
I have the privilege of being joined today by Alex Stein.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Joel, it's a privilege.
You know, Joel, I always like your clips because I always learn something from them.
So I know in this interview, I'm probably going to learn a lot.
So I appreciate you inviting me.
We'll see.
Hopefully, I learn some things as well.
I could teach you some stuff.
Dude, you could teach me a ton of stuff on trolling.
You are the master of.
I've watched so many videos.
I don't even know if that's really that good of a skill.
It's like.
It's a good skill.
Donald Trump, I think, is the master of troll.
I know we have some criticisms of him, but did you see that?
You know, he posted himself as Jesus.
What did you think about that?
Yeah, he uh, Donald Trump has recently trolled Jesus Christ.
I'm not a huge fan, but but it is trolling.
But did you laugh?
I had laughed at least.
I i laughed in the sense that so, first, no, I did not laugh because it's not at all, it's literally blasphemy.
It's blasphemy, okay, but but I did laugh when I thought, you know what, like Donald Trump might be the only person in America who could legitimately say, uh, that that's a depiction of Jesus.
I didn't know and it'd be truthful because I think he literally knows so little about Jesus that.
He might have been ignorant.
And my dad sends me all these AI slot videos that he thinks is real.
You know, like he sees AI and he can't tell the difference if it's real or fake.
So maybe he thought, you know, I don't know.
I mean, he just was tricked by the AI slot and it wasn't actually Jesus.
Right.
I view Trump, you know, like I'm grateful for things that he's done, but I think, you know, the second administration has been incredibly disappointed in many ways.
It has.
But we are in the, we're at the start of the second quarter.
Now it looks like I'm just totally defending him.
I do think that he could rectify his term.
I don't think it's over yet.
There's still time.
Yeah.
There's still time, but he would have to be really deliberate.
Now, I think all the geopolitical stuff, like I don't like our involvement with Iran and the fact that it really does feel like Israel drug us into the war.
But isn't that good, though, in a way, though, that Israel drug him to the war and he probably realizes that Netanyahu doesn't have his back?
And then I know this the biggest lessons I ever learned were from mistakes that I made.
And he makes a mistake, he learns his lesson.
You think that's a positive?
The problem with Trump, though, is to learn from your mistakes, you have to actually acknowledge that you made some.
Well, you know, secretly, he's going to be, he's not going to outwardly ever apologize because he's a master of doubling down.
But internally, he probably knows, hey, you would think so.
But I mean, even some of his recent tweets, he's like, NATO didn't support us, Europe didn't support us, but Israel did.
Like, so it's one thing if he was just kind of, I'm not going to say it out loud, but internally, I'm realizing maybe these guys are not the allies that I once thought they were.
But it's not just that he's neglecting to say something negative about Israel, but he's, if anything, he's still.
Same positive things.
He's like, man, I wish that the rulers of European nations were half as faithful as Netanyahu.
He's a real friend.
He's a real ally.
He came and fought with us.
You know what I mean?
I feel like that's the rhetoric.
Yeah, but it's like I go back to Joe Biden, Build Back Better, or whatever his saying was.
You know, sometimes we need things to kind of totally collapse.
That's true.
And maybe that's where we're at, where the stock market crashes.
And gas prices, as much as I've been against this war, they still haven't reached the peak under Biden during the Ukraine war.
So they're still not that bad.
And maybe he is.
Playing a little 5D chess, the fact that now the European Union and Asia is going to be relying on American energy.
And I don't know if that was his plan when it started, but there is.
The one silver lining I think is a revert, a reverting to not a pure nationalism that I'd like to see, but like a regionalism where, like, our biggest, you know, Tucker said this recently, but like our biggest trade partners should be, you know, Brazil, Argentina, you know, like it should be close.
And I do like when you put everything to every piece of the puzzle together, it's like Venezuela, eyes on Greenland, you know, that.
The comments, you know, foreshadowing of Cuba, you know, those kinds of things.
And then Iran, you know, in terms of the outcome, what the implications, messing like some of the globalism stuff up and making people kind of have to revert back to their hemisphere or their corner of the world.
I like that.
I don't know if he actually intended all that, if it's really 5D chess or just a happy accident.
But the war itself and our aggression, for me, just even as a pastor, it objectively doesn't meet the standards of just war theory.
So we shouldn't have done it.
Do you think it affected him at all, getting any kickback from the Pope?
I think getting kickback from anybody makes him more resolute.
No, and I like Michael Knowles, but Michael Knowles has been pretty critical about Donald Trump's beef with the Pope.
And as a Catholic, I understand that.
And I think the Pope is actually right in the fact that I don't think Jesus would drop a bomb on Iran.
Right.
Yeah, no, I don't think so.
I think the Pope has been right about some of the geopolitical stuff.
At the same time, it checks out that he's an American Pope.
But he's been notoriously loose on borders.
Well, would Jesus?
Care about borders?
I mean, he was a nomad.
He wasn't a nomad.
Well, I mean, he traveled a lot, you know?
But he traveled within a specific region.
Okay, okay.
You know better than me, but I'm just saying he was a journeyman, to say the least.
You know, he traveled.
Yeah, but he was from a particular region, Jesus of Nazareth.
He was a Judean, right?
So he stuck to his corner of the world.
That's true.
We're not Mormons.
I know, no, no, but what about all those people?
They come to America.
I love those conspiracies.
I don't believe them that.
Jesus, and I think those Hindus, you know, you and I had that viral clip, it got millions of views, you know, we're making fun of Hindus, and I think we should be able to make fun of Hindus.
But do you ever hear that conspiracy that, oh, well, before, you know, the 30 years that we don't know Jesus, that he was traveling India and learning about Buddhism?
I don't believe that.
But no way.
I think that's so funny.
No way.
Yeah.
Borders, I mean, so Acts chapter 17 says that, like, God sets nations both their times and their borders.
So nations are a sovereign outflow of God's plan.
So God created a world with distinctions.
It's not just an androgynous world.
What about this?
Let me cut you off though.
Most Mexicans, and I would argue, and you know, I love big booty Latinas, I want amnesty for them.
But my point is, I actually am not as mad as a Mexican person coming to Texas trying to become a landscaper or work in a hotel because that's not a job that I'm competing for.
But I don't like Indians coming here through H 1B visa fraud, opening up daycares and taking real tech jobs.
I think that is a bigger plague on our society than the Mexican that is coming here.
Most Mexicans are Catholics.
Yeah, not all immigrants are equal.
If that's the case, that's the fact.
That is that, Joel, that's the best line you said.
Not all immigrants are equal.
Yeah.
And this is what Charlie Kirk said immigration without assimilation is an invasion.
I would argue that Hispanics actually try to assimilate a little more than the Indians.
You know, they do try to.
I think they try more so there's intent and those kinds of things, like the resolve of the people, the soul of the people.
But then there's also just the realities of some peoples are less compatible with America than others.
So it's not even just will.
Or intent, but it's also capacity.
Like, I don't believe that a Haitian in one generation in their lifetime can assimilate, even if they wanted to.
It's too distinct, it's too distant.
I mean, they don't even use deodorant.
Haitians don't, Indians don't.
I think that that's kind of a bare necessity if you're going to be an American.
You got to put on some deodorant.
I mean, maybe that's too reductive, too simplistic, but I think Mexicans use deodorant.
I mean, I would think so.
And so, if you're an Indian, you're coming here and you want to smell like curry.
That's not assimilation.
Yeah, we don't do that here.
Yeah.
So millions have to go back.
And yes, I do believe that God cares about borders.
Like, I'll put it to you this way.
So, you're familiar with Genesis, the Tower of Babel?
Yeah, of course.
And that's what's, see, you know, it's funny you bring that up.
That's literally what's happening now.
And it's Genesis chapter 11, verse 9.
You flip it, that's 9 11, which is kind of weird.
And then think about this.
So, what is happening right now?
The Tower of Babel, everybody's trying to build a kingdom to heaven.
And, you know, Nimrod wanted all these people to work hard for him.
And then, you know, God gave them all these different languages.
But what they're trying to do right now, Is reverse engineer that they want us under one rule, right?
One language, one currency, and that currency is basically Satan.
So they're trying to reverse engineer the Tower of Babel so that we're under one ruler.
And I think that's what Hillary Clinton actually, you know, I, what is it?
The Satanist knows the Bible better than a Christian, you know, a lot of times because that's because they had to reverse engineer it.
And I literally think that's what's happening now is they're trying to reverse engineer the Tower of Babel.
Yeah.
And that's why they want America because we're the biggest domino.
Once we fall, then we will fall into the one world order.
Yep.
We'll fall into it or we become we become it falls into us or whatever, but yes, absolutely.
Like the Tower of Babel, there are two big sins that God ultimately judges the people there for.
One was that they sought to build a tower that stretched to the heavens, uh, so that they could be as God, so arrogance, blatant, uh, pride.
Um, but then the second is they they said to themselves, the text says, they said to themselves, um, let us build a tower that stretches to the heavens that we may be as God, so that we will not be scattered over the face of the earth.
Um, so the second sin that's often missed is, um, that they were actually.
Directly rebelling against the dominion mandate that God gave to mankind initially in the garden, where He told Adam to be fruitful and multiply and so fill the earth and exercise dominion.
So, God's, or let's say man, man's original telos, like his purpose that was ordained by God, is that He might multiply more and more image bearers of God and spread out and fill the earth.
And so they're saying, We don't want to spread out.
We want to congregate.
We all want to stay put here, where the original plan is that they would spread out.
And even if sin had never entered the world, I think that because a lot of people look at Babel and say, well, see, this is the judgment of God for their sin of pride.
And so the judgment is different languages and that developed distinctions and different peoples and tribes and nations.
And so they'll look at that and say, so that's God's judgment, but that wasn't his initial plan.
So we can't really say that that's good distinctions on the earth.
But I think that it's a judgment that's wrapped in mercy because there were not just one sin, but two.
One was pride, the second was congregating and not fulfilling the cultural mandate.
To be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth.
So, God's original plan is that man would spread out.
He would be a seafaring people, exploring, conquering, exercising dominion.
And if we think, even if sin never entered the earth, what would naturally happen?
Man would spread out, and over centuries and multiple subsequent generations, distinct dialects would emerge.
Eventually, those would devolve into languages and cultures and cuisine.
The same reason a guy in New Jersey talks different than a guy in Texas.
Right.
You would have gotten different people.
So, different people isn't really a A bad thing that was a judgment for sin.
I see it as like the judgment was because of their pride.
God humbles them and brings them low, destroys their tower building project.
But then the mercy, it's a judgment that's veiled with mercy.
The mercy is that God actually, in a supernatural, catalytic way, fast tracks the original outcome of what would have happened had they not rebelled, had they obeyed.
And so he's like, look, this is what was supposed to happen naturally, spreading out.
Developing different peoples, languages, and I'm going to make it happen all at once to get you back on track with his original plan.
Which, my point is, I think we have to see different nations, different peoples, cultures, and languages as good, as a positive good, God's intent, rather than just a judgment, something that was never supposed to be.
Well, and then, you know, we talked about this a little bit off camera, but to me, it kind of goes to biblical cosmology just a little bit, because if they were building a tower to heaven, that means heaven's a lot closer than.
They'd like to say, you know, if we could build a tower there, then, and I do think it's closer.
And we were kind of talking about it.
Fallen Angels and the Tower00:08:59
I think they say we can only go eight miles deep.
I think hell is a lot closer than people think as well.
So, that I'm 100% with you.
People will call you a nutcase.
And, you know, but yeah, I think that the souls of the reprobate, the damned, are probably trapped in the physical earth.
I do too.
I think that's their punishment.
I think that that's probably true.
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And then I also think fallen angels, like the book of Jude, which also references, it's one of the only books in the New Testament.
It is the only book that references the first book of Enoch, which is not to say that the book of Enoch for sure was written by Enoch.
Anna Paulina Luna tweeted about it this week.
Oh, really?
You didn't see that.
She just said, read the book.
Oh, I did see that.
Yeah, I did see that.
And then I saw it.
They try to construe it as the aliens.
I think if there are aliens, they're probably from the ocean.
There probably are somewhere here on Earth.
But I think she was trying to insinuate that they're going to declassify alien information and somehow that's connected to the book of Enoch.
I think that's her angle.
I'm not sure.
I see.
But I think the book of Enoch, I do think people should read it.
It's interesting.
And that's why people say the, I mean, people don't say the Bible's boring, but people, I don't think there's a lot of interesting things about the Bible that people don't know about.
And I think the book of Enoch, and if young people actually realized how cool the Bible was, they would be more interested in it.
Yeah, that's true.
Absolutely.
So I don't think that the book of Enoch, you know, there's Enoch 1 and 2 and 3.
And 1 seems to be the most credible, but even the first book, I don't think, was written by Enoch himself.
But I think it still dates early.
You know what I was watching?
I forget.
I was watching one of these biblical debates.
You know, only 3% of the Greeks, or when this is why we do know the Bible is the Word of God, even though maybe man could have, you know, hinkered with, hinkered, or the little maybe, but only 3% of people could even read or write.
So, I'm just saying, so these are very smart people that were able to transcribe it.
You know, these are brilliant people.
So, it wasn't like there's a bunch of editors like New York Times, like, you know, jacking with it.
So, it kind of shows you how important the message was.
Right.
But going back to Jude for a moment, like, Jude talks about, you know, fallen angels being locked in gloomy dungeons.
So, I personally do think that deep within the earth, that both, you know, fallen mankind, those who died apart from faith in Jesus Christ, The reprobate, the damned, that their spirits are locked in gloomy dungeons in the earth,
and also fallen angels that were, you know, some were permitted for a time to torment men, mankind, but others were deemed, it seems like the implication that Jude's getting at is some were too heinous, too wicked, too nefarious, and too powerful to be allowed to roam freely.
And so they were locked in gloomy dungeons by the archangel Michael and this heavenly war that was waged.
And so I do think that there is a literal place where spirits are kept.
And the idea that that place might be within the depths of the earth, I don't think is the craziest thought.
And I would argue that Satan is here on earth with us.
Yeah, I think so.
I would say that he is, but he's bound, he's chained.
So I think he was roaming much more freely pre Christ, but in the finished work of Christ, his life, death, resurrection, and ascension.
It's this Christus Victor idea that Christ was so victorious that he bound the strong man.
And Jesus even gives this parable.
He says, If you're going to plunder the house, first you must go in.
And bind the strong man, and then you can plunder his goods.
And so I see the work of Christ and his disciples, Christians, as plundering the house of this earth, one conversion at a time, preaching and doing good works and loving your neighbor and all this kind of stuff, plundering the house with goodness, with benevolence, with Christian truth.
And the reason that we can do that as effectively as we have over the last 2,000 years is because the strong man was bound.
So I think that Satan was, you look at the book of Job, it's like he's wandering to and fro over the face of the earth.
And he seems to have a lot more leeway, a lot more, you know, agency in his ability to torment and to destroy and obstruct and those kinds of things.
But in the finished work of Christ, I think that Satan, we know from scripture, he's not yet cast into the lake of fire.
So he's somewhere.
And I think it's probably here.
But it seems as though Satan is on a much tighter leash than he used to be.
And I know that sounds funny because it's like, but Joel, like a much tighter leash, but then like Epstein files and like, World wars, and like, you know, I mean, we still got a lot of evil going on, right?
Exactly.
We still have so much evil, but I think we forget how wicked the world once was like, how barbaric.
Yes, like the noble savage is such a preposterous.
Well, just imagine trying to crucify somebody today.
Yeah, I mean, people be like, Why are you gonna be upside down and like crows eat him to death, you know, so he's dead?
That would never happen.
It would be insane.
And we've talked about on your show, like, uh, so that's like pre Christ, I think the world was a lot more barbaric, uh, but then you know, pre flood.
If we go back to the antediluvian world before the flood of Noah, the reason God flooded the earth is because it was so obscenely wicked.
And we look at the world today and we're like, man, we need to.
And the giants.
Don't forget the giants.
I think that's a big part.
And so my point is, we look at the world today and we're like, well, it's obscenely wicked now, and God should just flood the earth now.
One, he made a promise that he would never do it again.
But two, as much sin as there is in the world today, I don't think it was like the days of Noah.
I agree.
I think the days of Noah, like you're not just talking about bad people, you're talking about like fallen angel, demon man hybrids that are like, you're talking about mock things.
Literally, I mean, roaming the earth and doing experiments and trying to like corrupt human DNA, and yeah, I think it was really, really bad.
Barbaric man eaters, you know, like literally, you talked about Nimrod, like a mighty hunter before the Lord.
Like, people look at that like, oh, he was a godly guy, and in the sight of God, he was a really good hunter.
Um, one other way to interpret that, some commentators say before the Lord means like a, like a, a brazen, um, like be like really right in front of my face.
Like before the face of God, despite God looking on, and that he was a mighty hunter, that he was basically spitting before the face of God, willing to do what he knew God detest.
And he was a mighty hunter of men.
He was a man eater.
Yeah, I mean, does anybody argue that Nimrod was good?
Yeah, some, some, but he was like a giant who's hunting men and eating them before the face of God and didn't care.
Smite me, oh mighty smiter, kind of thing.
So, anyways, so all that being said, the biblical cosmology.
You got me there, like I'm not a flat earther, yeah, but I do think because we did see the 24 hour sun in the north and south pole, so I think that there is something round, I forgot about that, yeah, so there is something round to our earth for sure.
But how they describe it, you know, I just don't vibe with that.
And and you know, for me, you know, I forget which chapter of the Bible that they are able to stop the sun temporarily, Joshua, Joshua.
So it seems kind of like the sun is the one moving around us, and I guess I vibe more with the geocentric outlook that we are the center of the universe because we're God's creation.
And you tell that to a scientist, oh, you're so stupid, but.
That's how I see it, how I look at it.
Space Mysteries and Intelligent Design00:08:16
They say, what, the moon is 124th size of the sun and happens to be exactly 124th distance, and that's why it's exactly the same size.
I think the moon is a little more important than we give it credit for, and I think the sun is important.
I would argue that it's kind of like the day and night, good versus evil.
It's the yin and the yang, however you want to view it.
It's not just a kind of.
A greater light, a lesser light.
Exactly right.
And then, even if you look at these people do all these scientific experiments, if you.
Or, in this, if you're in the sunlight and you want to get a little cooler, you get in the shade.
But if you're in the moonlight and you get in the shade, it's actually warmer.
So, they say the moonlight's a little cooler.
And the moonlight on a beach, if you have a fire, it's more combustible, like it'll make the fire actually burn a little faster.
So, I just think the moon is incredibly important in that as part of God's creation.
And they just try to say, oh, it's some sort of accident.
But if you actually look at other planets' moons, we have the largest moon in relation to our planet.
So, even the scientific hypothesis of moons, and you know, if you're a, um, Astrophysicists, our moon doesn't make sense compared to other planets' moons.
That's interesting.
It is interesting.
I'm just saying the moon is more important in like how they just did this Artemis mission and they gave us some crappy pictures.
That was the fakest crap I've ever seen.
You don't believe it.
I don't believe that at all that they were on the dark side of the moon and they showed us pictures that were just as bad as 1969.
NASA is the biggest, you know, that in Hebrew, NASA, NASA, means to defraud.
It's just, it's, it's, It was created actually by Wernher von Braun, who was a Nazi that we brought over in Operation Paperclip.
So the idea that NASA is telling us the truth.
And then you look at Elon, I know you probably like Elon because you're big on Twitter, but I think Elon is so full of SHIT.
I mean, I don't trust that guy.
About what?
About everything.
The space stuff or what?
A lot about the space stuff.
I mean, this is another thing where I get a little triggered is that I'm the same kind of socialist.
I'm not a socialist, but I want to help people.
We spend billions and billions of dollars to send all these rockets to space in less than $200.
People have even been to the International Space Station.
So nobody that you know or I know is really going to go to space.
So we're putting, investing all these billions of dollars to go to the galaxies when in reality that money could be better spent here on Earth.
And I think that that was used as it.
I know, but this is another thing.
But that mindset, that's the exact mindset of the 1960s.
I mean, like, you had black guys doing rap saying, like, you know, there's fighting in the streets, but whitey's on the moon.
Like, that was.
Well, I kind of agree with Tupac.
We got money for wars.
We can't feed the poor.
I mean, I think there's some truth to that because in America, we spend $1.5 trillion on our military budget.
And I really don't feel any less safe or more safe starting a war with Iran.
And once again, I'm not a socialist, but if we had social services to help the poor, that would make me feel better at night.
Than bombing a school full of children.
What do you think the poor need?
Like, what do they need in terms of help?
Well, some people are just retarded.
They can't help themselves.
Some people are just, you give them all the help in the world and they're going to get a black hole.
It's a black hole.
Yeah, no, I agree.
But still, the idea that food prices can be a little cheaper, that would.
Yes, I agree.
So I think the things that we need to do to actually help the working poor, which is quickly becoming like half of the country.
So I'm very sympathetic to heritage Americans who have been displaced, who can't get jobs.
House prices are outrageous, gas, groceries, all that kind of stuff.
So, and trillions and trillions on our military to go and start wars on, you know, behest of Israel.
I'm not a fan of that.
But you speak of Israel, I got to cut you off because you didn't let me finish this one thing.
1969 is when the uranium was stolen, you know, basically from spies.
And allegedly, Ben Shapiro's like grandfather is connected to that.
That just came out that there's a Shapiro working in the plant where they stole enough uranium to build 10 bombs and yada, yada, yada.
They kind of use that as a distraction.
And then why did they kill JFK?
Well, he died because he wanted to make AIPAC register as a foreign agent.
Yeah, that's true.
There's a lot of weird stuff.
And this is the other thing bread and circuses, bread and circuses.
Space is another bread and circus.
And that's why they say Apollo 13 that they had to pretend that there was a bad, you know, that they almost died in spaceflight because people were calling ABC or CBS, I forget which channel it was, and they were mad that they were showing the Apollo moon missions over I Love Lucy.
And because people don't care, they'd rather see I Love Lucy.
So this is what they do they distract us, they give us, oh, we're going to the cosmos.
Because you know, the second biggest religion in the world, or maybe one of the biggest, maybe third or fourth, is science.
And so this just reinforces the religion of science.
And so that's why I think the space, people like Neil deGrasse Tyson, is a sick bastard because.
Well, he, for a lot of other reasons.
Yeah, but he's part of the trans, how he wants trans athletes and women's sports, which I actually like because I like to gamble on transgenders and win money.
So I'm not against trans and women's sports, but he is a perfect example of the guy that worships at the altar of science.
Yeah, he is.
He's terrible and he hates Christ and he's degenerate in a lot of ways.
But the idea of exploration, the idea of discovery, the idea of innovation, I think that this is a part of man's destiny.
Joel, let me tell you where you're wrong.
Let me tell you why you're exactly wrong.
They tell every single person that we know more about space than the ocean.
They say that.
They say, You've heard that?
Yeah, I've heard it.
Have you ever had space sushi?
You ever had sushi from space?
If we're going to explore anything, why don't we explore the ocean?
Why don't we explore the earth that we're on?
So they're going to sit here and tell us with a straight face, we know more about space than we know about the ocean.
And everybody that's watching this show has probably went and swam in the beach.
So I'm not saying because you swim in the beach, you know everything about the ocean, but I think that we should invest our time studying the world that we live in and not studying places that are billions of miles away.
To me, I agree.
When I say expert, I think space is just one part of it.
I think this world is paramount.
So absolutely, we should explore the oceans.
But I'm just saying that the idea of we can't go to space because 8% of the world, aka white people, need to spend all of their money carrying the 92% of the world on our back.
I think that's ridiculous.
Maybe Elon's trying to get us, you know, build a base on the moon.
So white people have a place to live.
Oh my God.
But seriously, there's a story.
But the moon wasn't created for humans to live on.
So that's why he's saying it wasn't.
I'm being facetious.
I know, I know.
But Mars, I don't think, was built for humans to live on.
I don't think so either.
But my point is this.
I feel like the basic argument of white people cannot innovate and discover.
We've innovated everything.
Because non white people are still living in huts.
I just, I don't buy it.
Yeah, I agree with that.
You go fix your own country.
That's not my fault.
Yeah.
I don't know what to tell you.
Well, you saw they just didn't.
Whitey's on the moon.
Okay, but here's the deal.
Maybe it's not fruitful.
But if Whitey's on the moon and he spent Whitey's money to get there, Then Whitey's allowed to be on the moon.
Yeah, but whoever went to the moon, a bunch of Freemasons.
Non Whitey needs to learn how to feed himself.
Well, you don't love Freemasons, and that's all who's been to the moon is a bunch of Freemasons.
I don't love Freemasons.
Yeah, and those are the only guys that have been to the moon.
And then if you look at Neil Armstrong and you look at Buzz Aldrin, Buzz Aldrin's mom committed suicide before he even went to space, and he still went to space.
When my mom died, I couldn't even leave my bed for about three months.
So I thought that was weird.
And then if you just look at Gus Grissom, who was the original person that was supposed to walk on the moon, he actually hung a lemon on the lunar lander because he said this will never go to space, and then he died in a Test launch, not even a launch.
He was just sitting in there and they sit in the rocket and they try to communicate with Houston and they put too much oxygen in and they burnt him.
Like he literally burned to death inside this capsule.
And his family thinks that that was an inside job.
So I just, a lot about what they tell us about the moon and space.
I think that's the most interesting thing.
Yeah, just for the record, I think there are plenty of things that are suspicious.
Yeah.
But the idea that space doesn't even exist, right?
Like, you know, space exists.
We can see it.
Yeah.
But I'm telling you, it's like what Candace says, everything's fake and gay.
Everything in space seems kind of fake and gay.
Moon Missteps and Virtue Signaling00:02:29
You have these.
Women to go up there, there's a black guy up there, and it's a trans person, or I don't know if a trans person's been up there, but it just seems a lot of virtue signaling and it's trying to create a narrative of the science lord instead of the real lord.
And I think, you know, we're talking, we started this episode, kind of want to talk about these college kids.
That is, there's more kids that are actually getting awake to the fact that God is real.
But that is the worst plague they've done on young kids is that every time they get into class, they tell us, oh, here are the dinosaurs, oh, we evolved from pond scum, and everything's just a cosmic accident, nothing matters.
That couldn't be farther from the truth.
Like, we have such a complex system.
It had to have intelligent design.
It had to have intelligent design.
I will argue that till the day that I die.
This was not just some sort of accident.
That's how photosynthesis works.
And that's how it was designed very intelligently.
Yeah, I agree 100%.
We've all just accepted this idea that basic hygiene has to come from a lab.
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Social Acceptance and Political Heat00:03:49
Talk about the college kids for a second.
I'm under the impression, you know, from some of the statistics that I've seen and then just personal experience and talking to, you know, college aged people, it seems like the kids are going to be all right.
It seems like there is a shift that is happening among young people that they're moving much more to the right wing.
Than prior generations at that age?
Oh, 100%.
And I'm not saying that every kid on a college campus is conservative necessarily, but they're definitely not left.
They're more of the pop, I would put them kind of in the populist zone.
Because when you're young, it teaches sharing is caring.
They basically teach us to be socialists.
You know, that's the status quo.
That's kind of like the acceptable political position.
And then people get a little older and they realize, oh, maybe they're kind of misrepresenting how the world really works.
And so I would say that young kids now, because of the internet, And you and I, we had the internet, but it was different.
You know what I mean?
It wasn't on our phone.
We didn't have a computer in our pocket.
So they're a lot more hip to what's really going on.
And so that's why I think more of them are politically aware of what's going on than you and I were.
Because I didn't vote for Barack Obama, but I remember when he got elected, I'm like, oh, we got a black guy.
I was in college, like, oh, we got a black guy.
This is cool.
I didn't realize he was a gay Muslim.
You know what I mean?
But I'm just saying, I didn't have the internet, but I wasn't looking at Twitter.
I wasn't as dialed in as these kids are now.
And the fact that they're actually doing some research looking into it.
It gives me a lot of hope for our future.
Can you discern a difference between the young men and the young women?
Yes, I would say the men are definitely a little more dialed in, a little more outspoken.
But I actually meet a lot of young girls where now, because of this new, whether you want to call it trad or whatever, where it is socially acceptable to say, I want to be a wife.
It's more socially acceptable to say, my goal is to have a family and have kids, where in the 90s, early 2000s, that was considered stupid for a girl.
To think that.
And now that that's become more socially acceptable, I see more girls kind of going in that direction that I just want to be a homemaker.
And that's really the, you know, I had some girl come to the University of Illinois, like, do you think women can be teachers and administrators?
And I said, well, I think they'd be better moms and cooks.
And that's how I feel.
Like, I just, I honestly feel like that.
And I'm not saying a woman can't have a job, but I don't think there's a job that she'll get more satisfaction from than raising a family.
Yeah.
What'd she say?
Oh, I'm an idiot.
I'm a right wing, you know, jerk.
But, It is what it is.
You're going to get that.
And she was a writer for the school paper, so you know she's a boss, babe.
And I just, I do think women mature a little faster at that young of an age, maybe in high school, but now it's becoming more socially acceptable for a woman to, or for a young college female to have a more traditional lifestyle, being like a wife or mom.
Yeah.
Agreed.
How do you feel about Israel?
You know, my favorite.
They're our biggest ally.
I love them so much.
No, I will say this, though.
This Iran war, if I'm being intellectually honest, which I mean, I'm an idiot, I try to be intellectually honest when I give my opinion.
Israel definitely twisted Donald Trump's arm into this war, but you look at Jared Kushner's connection to Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia wanted us to fight this war with Iran, too.
And they're one of our biggest allies.
So I think Israel is a little too influential, a lot too influential in American politics.
But I would say, and I think I told you this on my show, most Jews are secular, and most Jewish people you actually meet everyday life, they're actually pretty cool people.
I'm saying just a Jewish person that's not Israel firsters, but it's the people that Laura Loomer, Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, that make, they do more for anti Semitism than Dan Bilzerian or Jake Shields or Nick Fuentes could ever do, in my opinion.
I think that's true.
Jewish Statements and Opposition00:15:23
Were you raised Christian, Jewish?
So, this is how it works.
So, my grandfather, and this is kind of maybe why I have a little heat with Israel.
So, my grandfather got my grandmother pregnant and then moved to New York and started another family.
And he paid for child support for my dad.
And so, my grandfather was Jewish.
My dad was raised Christian by his mom, my grandmother.
And then, my mom was from Evansville, Indiana.
I was a big Christian.
So, I grew up going to church.
I was baptized when I was 17.
I went to Bible study every week in high school.
And I am obviously a Christian, but I'm also not the best example of being a Christian because.
I feel like I am a sinner and I do try to not sin, but I just feel like I'm not perfect.
And sometimes I'm a little ashamed of, I guess, the fact that I'm not a perfect person.
Yeah, nobody is.
Nobody is.
I don't try to hold myself to too high of a standard, but I think, and it says this on my Wikipedia, and I hate this, organized religion to me, though, has been so corrupted.
And that's almost all organized religion.
And Tucker just had a guy on his podcast where he said Jesus is a socialist.
And I don't necessarily think that, but I do think.
Jesus was teaching originally the way, and that was before Gnosticism.
I think modern Christianity has taken kind of a detour from what Jesus really wanted to teach.
Yeah.
And so I think that's where we are.
And I do think Jesus was died on the cross.
I think Jesus was real.
You know, people argue he's not even real.
I think there's too much historical evidence.
So for me, I feel like Jesus is who I'm, and I don't want to say this in a gambling way, we're not supposed to gamble, but that's who I'm betting on.
Right.
Because To me, I've kind of looked at it all.
That's what story makes the most sense to me.
Yeah.
So that's where I am at.
And that's why I consider myself a Christian is that I've learned about Jesus and I was like, this sounds like the right thing to me.
So that's the kind of Christian I am.
And I still, you know, I know you go after a lot of these prosperity gospel people.
Yeah.
Like, no way should a pastor be driving a Mercedes Benz.
Like, they should be driving a Toyota or a Lexus for that matter.
And I think there is something where a pastor should be, You know, if you're leading a church, you shouldn't be a bomb.
You know what I mean?
But I think it's been totally corrupted.
And I would argue, and I said this to you, that Joel Olstein is almost worse than Aleister Crowley.
Because Aleister Crowley, you knew what he was.
You knew he was degenerate.
You knew he was a Satanist.
But Joel Olstein will say, Oh, I'm a Christian.
I want to help people.
But if there's a flood, he doesn't want to let people into his church because the carpet's new.
And I think that that is almost more satanic than a guy saying, I worship Satan.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I've never been a fan of Joel Olstein, never will be.
Okay, so.
I'm curious, so let's, because of your background, because you're Jewish.
Yeah, well, my grandfather, yeah.
Your grandfather.
Well, technically, your mother has to be a Jew.
Oh, that's right.
Yeah, so technically, I'm not a Jew.
Okay.
Technically, I'm not.
But yeah, I got some Jewish blood.
Congratulations.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
But, you know, once again, but I am a little Jewish because I'm really cheap.
And so I do have some Jewish DNA for sure.
I'm curious, like, what do you think?
You're a sharp guy, you've been doing the news for a while and uncovering stories and those kinds of things.
Like you said, a lot of the Jewish people that you meet are good guys.
Most of them are secular, right?
Right.
They're secular.
They're not practicing Judaism.
But I'm curious, what do you think?
There's plenty of secular Jews here.
There's more Jews in America than there are in Israel.
And a good deal of them are secular, over half.
They're not practicing Jews religiously.
And yet, it seems like a disproportional, it's not all of them, but the disproportional amount gravitates towards timeless professions like OnlyFans.
Yeah, or money.
Well, I heard the best thing.
I saw a Joe Rogan thing, and I'll ask.
You, what weighs more, a pound of feather or a pound of gold?
They weigh the same.
No, they don't, because a pound of gold is only 12 ounces.
And who do you think decided that?
That's funny.
Is that true?
It's 100%.
A pound of gold is only 12 ounces?
You learned something new.
Really?
Yeah.
That's funny.
They literally changed the amount of ounces.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
But see, that's the other thing is, you know, and this is making it, I always make things too simple, is that.
The Roman Empire needed the Jews to be in charge of the taxes or collecting money, and that's kind of where they had, you know, all of a sudden the Jews started keeping the money, and that's where they would cause, you know, a huge rift.
Um, so even the Romans kind of respected their money handling skills, so maybe they are just genetically good at that, and that's why I think a lot.
And I, well, I think that's true for the record.
I think that people are different, people have different strengths and different weaknesses, and I think that Jews, uh, can come to the table, hear the terms.
And make a calculation off of the top of their head, speaking about Jews generally, not each and every individual, but in a general sense, I think Jewish people are better at looking forward 50 years and seeing if something would be profitable than Haitians or Frenchmen or Germans or like, yeah.
So I absolutely think there's a genetic factor.
And you know, I'm really good friends with a guy by the name of John Gross.
He's an ex rabbi, now he's an attorney.
He's helped me on legal stuff.
He's actually been very gracious.
You know, everybody thinks Jews are so cheap.
I am a little bit, but my point is.
He's an Orthodox Jew and he doesn't agree with the military conscription in Israel.
Right.
He has a lot of heat with it.
He talks worse about it.
And he likes Israel.
He supports Israel.
So I don't want to, you know, put John on blast, but he has a lot of criticisms of Israel and he's an Orthodox Jew.
So if he can have criticisms of Israel, why can't you or me have criticisms of Israel?
Right.
And that's kind of where I get upset is the fact that I'm not a person that hates anybody.
I don't.
I don't even hate a Haitian, even though they're trying to eat a chicken in front of me or, you know what I mean.
You know, they're doing something I disagree with.
I think that.
Chicken would be a step in the right direction.
Well, you know, I'm just saying they'll cut a chicken's head off or kill a cat and drink its blood.
Yeah, chicken is a step above a cat.
Yeah.
But we should be able to critique Israel.
You know, Israel is a secular country and they have a military that forces people to join.
And I think that is a form of slavery to make a person go fight in a war.
And then they say that they don't even want the Orthodox Jews in the military because they have to eat kosher and that they're a pain to work with because they don't want to go kill a bomb a school.
So, you know, we say, I think we overgeneralize some of our disdain and they say, oh, you're an anti Semite because you have issues with Israel.
No, I'm not an anti Semite because I have issues with Israel.
I think they're a foreign country and we should be able to have an opinion on geopolitics and our foreign affairs.
Yes, 100%.
What do you think about Tucker Carlson these days?
Well, Tucker is my biological stepfather.
I love Tucker.
And that's the other thing they all say Tucker's an anti Semite.
He's not an anti Semite by any means, no.
And he has some.
Strong critiques of Israel.
But this is the thing Nick has become very popular.
Is he to Tucker's level?
Almost.
He's getting there.
But I could maybe understand the argument.
Oh, Tucker, excuse me.
I can kind of understand the argument.
Oh, they think Nick's an anti Semite, which I actually kind of don't think he is.
But my point is, I can kind of understand it because he said more inflammatory statements, right?
Tucker has never been recorded saying anything anti, that anti, or that inflammatory towards Jewish people.
Maybe he has critiqued Israel.
So they don't even have concrete proof of him being, quote unquote, anti Semitic.
So that's what makes me so frustrated.
The fact that Mark Levin and Laura Loomer do these coordinated campaigns to try to cancel them, it shows you that if you're not 100% bought in and supporting Israel, if you're only 20% support Israel, then you're considered the biggest anti Semite in the world.
So anybody that actually has half a brain and is paying attention, you can't even reach the threshold of support that they want.
So it's turning people away.
And because they're so psychotic about Israel, it's actually creating more anti Semitism than Tucker ever could or Nick ever could.
It's not, I don't think it was ever about how anti Semitic, aka how much a person truly hates Jewish people merely on the basis of them being Jewish people.
I don't think it was ever about that.
I think what it really is about is not the person's position, but what that person might actually do.
What would the outcome be of this person if their opinion was blank about Israel?
Or, let's say, you know, this is a little closer to home, if their opinion shifted.
On Israel, how many people would that influence?
What would the ripple effects be geopolitically when it comes down to policy, even and like our nation and how much money we give to Israel and all that?
And so that's why I think, on the one hand, you know, Nick, who I consider a friend and I've got to have conversations with him, and he was a perfect gentleman and very intelligent.
He's one of the most articulate guys out there, speakers there is.
And he knows geopolitics.
I mean, he's describing the inner workings of certain missile systems, you know, and I'm like, I'm just, you know, sitting there and like, okay, all right, all right, all right.
It's impressive.
But my point is that, like, Nick has gotten tons and tons of flack.
I mean, they got, you know, debanked and he can't, you know, no fly list for a year and, you know, can't do this and can't do that.
He still can't, I mean, he can't get a blue check on Twitter.
Yeah.
Elon won't even give him a blue check.
The original thing he got canceled for was a cookie joke.
And listen, people are going to get offended about the Holocaust.
That's a whole other, you know, ball of worms.
But, The fact is, there are movies like The Producers where they used to make Hitler jokes and have Hitler and all kinds of Holocaust humor.
And then he makes a cookie joke, and that was what originally got him canceled.
And I remember thinking, What are we doing here?
Because what's the guy from Gene Wilder, Blazing Saddles?
That guy was Jewish.
He made tons of Jewish jokes.
So it used to be okay for him to make a Jewish joke, and now it's just socially unacceptable.
You're going to get debanked and canceled for making a joke.
So my point is that Nick has gotten a lot of opposition, and there's no denying that.
At the same time, and I know there was an attempt a couple of years ago on his life, a random crazy guy.
But my point is that when I think of the overlords at B, those who are kind of pulling the strings and orchestrating, making sure that things stay on track with the plan, I think they're able to, Nick scares them.
They don't like Nick.
They wanted him demonetized and all that kind of stuff.
But at the same time, It's a Tucker.
I'm getting back to the statements you made about Tucker, and I'm kind of working Charlie Kirk probably a little bit into this point.
But Tucker's different.
So, like Nick has said, more inflammatory things, although I don't think that he's.
They haven't been that inflammatory either, me.
I don't think he's anti Semitic in terms of.
I don't think that Nick hates every single Jewish person simply on the basis of them being Jewish.
I know that's not true.
Yeah, I know that's for a fact.
Yeah.
Nick will say Jewish people disproportionately have had this negative impact through pornography and transgenderism and war and those kinds of things.
He'll make those statements, but those are factually true.
I make those statements too.
That's just what it is.
And I would love it to not be that way.
And the solution is not to get Nick or me or someone else to stop saying it.
The solution is hey, Jews, be good people.
Yeah.
You know, maybe don't start a porn company.
The OnlyFans thing, that became the biggest meme when the OnlyFans guy died and he was the biggest donator to APAC.
APAC?
Yeah, that's not a great look.
That was not a great look.
When you're looking at like 1% to 2% of the entire country here in these United States, OnlyFans just so happens to be owned by a Jewish guy, and he's also the biggest donator to APAC.
So, those are the moments where people are like, say it with me now, every single time.
Yeah, it seems like that.
But I will say this, and this is, you know, to give you a little kickback I'm a big conspiracy theorist, and maybe you can tell that already.
I'm talking about Genesis chapter 11, verse 9, switch it.
But I like that.
But there is a Jewish Illuminati, probably, but there's also probably a Catholic Illuminati.
There's probably a Black Illuminati.
You know, I think there are different factions that are in power, and there's not just one puppet master.
There's multiple puppet masters.
The Black Illuminati, I think.
The Boulez is what that's called.
I think they get welfare from the Jewish.
They might.
Well, you know what's so crazy, though?
When Kobe Bryant's helicopter crash is what set this whole freaking thing in motion, where all of a sudden the pandemic happened, and it's like, do they kill a guy like that to lower our vibration, to make us weaker, to make us sad?
And I am, and I don't know if that's too woo woo, but I do think we are vibrational beings that, you know, we have energy and that they can.
Lower our energy by using what I call trauma based mind control.
And I don't think it's just Jewish people that use that.
I think there are other factions of people in power that want to keep us under constant trauma based mind control because they use fear as a way to manipulate us.
There are plenty of bad people, and Jews don't have a monopoly on evil.
No, they wish they did.
I think that it is disproportional.
They probably have more power than a lot of others.
But that is not to absolve other people.
Like in America, it's like, well, we, Could have just listened to George Washington, who told us in his farewell address that we shouldn't be entangled with any foreign nation.
We shouldn't have any foreign nation that we, without reasonable cause, hate, or without reasonable cause, are beholden to and love and adore.
But somewhere along the line, American people, we gave the farm away.
So there's a fault to be shared.
But all that, back to Nick, Tucker, Charlie, my point is that, like, Nick has gotten a ton of opposition, no question, because he's sharp, he's articulate, and the boy's got motion.
He's likable.
He's fine.
The white boy's got a little motion.
And so he's got a massive following.
Well, you bring up Trent.
He inspires.
But I was just going to say Tucker hasn't said nearly the same things.
But I think the reason why it's a full court press attack on Tucker is it's not this universal standard.
It's not objective, is what I'm saying.
It's not an objective moral standard of like, This is hateful speech, or this is immoral, an immoral posture of a person's heart, and we punish it wherever we find it.
You know, justice is blind, you know, and we don't discriminate.
If you, no, it's not like that at all.
It's who's the person?
This person might be saying something that's perfectly reasonable.
This other person might be saying something that's less reasonable.
Tucker's Backlash and Moral Standards00:14:35
And yet, this guy gets more opposition than that guy.
Why?
Because what is it?
What will the effects be?
It's not what position do they hold, it's what will they be able to accomplish?
What would the effects of this person be?
And so, like in the case of Tucker, the reason why there's a full court press against him, I don't think it's because he has objective statements that he's made that are truly hateful universally against all Jews, because we know for a fact that he hasn't made any statements.
Like that at all, and here's the irony I think it's precisely because he hasn't made those statements that there's actually more opposition.
That's fair because it paints him as defensible, reasonable, plausible, persuasive, compelling.
He's more precise with his arguments, yes.
And and so it's because of that that they're like, he he he's gonna be on the top three anti Semites of the year because why?
Because he truly holds an anti Semitic position, like he hates every single Jew just because they're a Jew.
No, but he is responsible in terms of what he's accomplished, what his speech does for turning the hearts of millions and millions of Americans away from fidelity to Israel.
And that said, so my point is, I don't think it's so much the position that you hold, but it's.
The power you have now.
Yes.
And that said, that makes me think of like, if Charlie at all was, I don't think, you know, Charlie, I think, you know, and you would know better than me, but you correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm under the impression.
That Charlie died a Zionist, that he's a Christian.
That's a fact that he supported Israel, but he also has a Christian, he has a very narrow understanding of.
But he had your typical kind of dispensational Zionistic evangelical Christian view of Israel.
Judeo Christian view.
Yes.
So I think he was a Christian.
He believed Jesus is the Son of God.
He was definitely a Christian.
He died on the cross.
Yeah, exactly.
Rose again, all that.
His faith was in Christ, and his faith was in Christ alone.
I believe he was a Christian.
I believe Charlie Kirk did a lot of good.
That said, I think that.
He was shifting, but I don't think he truly, you know, fully shifted.
I think he still died with kind of your normie, dispensational Zionistic, evangelical view of Christianity that carves out a special place for Israel.
That said, that's like Israel in terms of its history, its kind of like prophetic fulfillment, Jewish people as a whole.
But in the political particulars, I think he absolutely was souring on Bibi Netanyahu.
He was souring on Israeli government.
I mean, with all due respect, Charlie is much smarter than you and me, and I know you're a smart guy.
So he knew what was going on.
He knew.
He knew.
He's not a smart guy.
He's a brilliant person.
Here's my point.
And I'm not saying that Netanyahu personally shot Charlie or something like that.
But what I am saying is one, the Tyler Robinson thing is a little fishy to me.
I'll just leave it at that.
But that said, in terms of guys you got to stop, there's a certain calculus of like, I've got to stop Nick.
Because he's sharp, he's articulate, he has the hearts of young men, and he's saying the quiet part out loud.
And so there's a strong motive for stopping Nick.
There's another calculus that you could argue is perhaps even stronger with a Tucker type, because it's like, well, but Tucker doesn't say some of these things, but that actually makes him in some ways more palatable to a wider swath of people.
But then a Charlie, because Tucker, he had kind of the normie.
Talking points on Israel that most people in America in the political scene on the right have had.
Yeah, and he had the anti Israel, I mean, the anti jihadi stuff, you know, that made him famous.
But Charlie was known for it.
Yeah.
He was known for it.
And if Charlie soured at all, that would.
We think of like how many people have soured on Israel.
And if we were to track it back to a source, Nick, a lot.
Tucker, a lot, a lot.
Charlie, if he hadn't died and he continued, again, he still thinks Israel has a special place.
And, you know, but America, like, but Israel is in.
Because I think Charlie would have done this.
Israel has a special place.
But also, This is blatantly rebellious against God.
They're hosting the biggest pride event mocking God.
I know Charlie probably would not want to speak for him, but I don't think he would really like that.
And we should not be supporting rebellious nations.
And Bibi Netanyahu is stirring up strife in the Middle East and making us fight his wars.
And I'm out, guys.
I still love Jews.
And I said, you know, but I'm out.
Like, my point is, even though with these three guys, Nick, Tucker, Charlie, in terms of the position itself, it would be like hardest position, middle position, softest position.
But in terms of effects that it has on others, Charlie might have had the most profound effects on turning Americans away from political partnership with Israel.
Especially young people.
And that's one of my biggest complaints to Nick is that Nick did the Groeper War, went after Turning Point because of basically one issue, because of Turning Point's foreign policy.
When in reality, and I don't want to speak for Nick, and domestically, they probably agreed, Nick and Charlie probably agreed on every domestic issue, you know, and because of one foreign policy issue.
It made them just fundamentally, you know, it was a contradiction for them to ever be together when in reality they probably weren't that far apart.
They probably weren't.
And that said, though, I understand from Charlie's calculus, but I'm also far more sympathetic with Nick.
And the reason why is Charlie was gifted and talented and good looking and tall and all these things, you know, and driven.
He worked hard, he was disciplined, he was studying, he was reading.
So, I'm not saying it was just given to him.
He worked hard.
But Charlie had support.
Yeah, that's true.
A lot of support.
And Nick was over there, like a voice crying out in the wilderness, like the whole deck is stacked against him.
And, like, it, yes, it got to a point of just like palpable, like, disgust and hostile position towards one another.
But if someone would have just listened to him, you know, early on, I think a lot of that could have been avoided.
If somebody just said, hey, you know what, like, Because there was a time where, you know, I'm just asking questions.
There was a time where Nick really was just asking questions.
He was taken in by the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, and then we were the ones that kind of discovered Nick, and he'll tell you that.
But instead of answering his questions or saying, hey, you know what?
Actually, there's not a good answer to that question.
You might have a point.
Let's investigate this together because the truth matters most of all.
Instead of that, it was like, oh, that's a nice life you got there.
It'd be a shame if I destroyed it, you know?
So, like, it's hard for me to.
Like every ounce of anger that anybody could point out in Nick, I look at it and I'm like, uh huh.
Yeah.
That's a little rightfully so.
Yeah.
I mean, Nick has been targeted his entire career.
And I said that earlier, you know, it was the just asking questions phases turned into a cookie joke, being the reason that he basically got deplatformed and canceled everywhere.
And then I just, when I go back, and it's always easy to be a Monday morning quarterback and be like, oh, I should have sagged and you sagged.
But I just think that this movement would probably not be so divided right now.
If there could have been a coalition of the two.
Yes.
Yes.
I agree.
And even, I don't really even like that Nick went after Tucker after Tucker had him on because Tucker took a lot of shrapnel for that.
And even if they disagree, and Nick is a very smart guy, he knows that Tucker took a lot of backlash for that.
And, but Nick, because he has been targeted, because he has gone through a lot of suffering.
There's a certain point where, like, if you play the heel long enough, and I don't even think Nick's the heel.
I know he kind of jokes as the heel, but.
You play the punching bag long enough, maybe is a better way to put it.
Where it's just like.
You're just kind of done, you know?
And so I think, like, I thought that too, because I like Tucker and I like Nick.
Yeah.
And I was like, oh, yes, it's happening.
It's happening.
They wake up.
That was going to be a big deal.
And I didn't think, like, and they're going to be best friends now, you know, and run for office, you know, Tucker and Nick as VP, you know?
I didn't think that, but I did, you know, I wanted to think, like, you know, this, hopefully this doesn't break down within 48 hours.
I thought it'd be, I was a little more hopeful than that.
But here's the thing I think, like, yes, I'm with you.
I'm like, Nick, like, just is there any way that Tucker's more inside the blot on your side?
On the flip side, though, it was like, and maybe Tucker didn't even mean it.
I don't know.
I like Tucker.
I wish I could talk to him and see what he was thinking.
But maybe Tucker didn't even, maybe Tucker thought, like, well, that's his thing.
That's Nick's thing.
He's an anti Semite.
But that would just be Tucker not just kind of being a little bit out of touch.
Yeah.
And I think he is sometimes a little bit out of touch.
Tucker's definitely not dialed in to Nick Montesquieu.
Nick's thing has never been like, I'm an anti Semite and I'm proud.
Yeah.
His thing has been, no, I'm a truth teller.
I don't like how many times has like just, just you could, somebody could formulate a montage of clips and it would be out like, I mean, it would probably be like days long of Nick saying, don't hate people.
Don't hate people.
We don't hate anybody.
We don't, if you hate people on the basis of their race, then you don't have a place in America first.
You're not a part of this movement.
That's what, not what we're about.
Um, And so I think that, like, Nick, he could have overreacted at the same time.
He probably did.
But at the same time, I think he was, like, deeply offended that, like, I fly out there, we get dinner, we have a great time.
You don't press me on your show about this.
And it's one thing not to press me on the show, but you also didn't press me at dinner.
You didn't press me on camera or off.
And then this throwaway, matter of fact line of, like, Nick's an anti Semite.
He hates Jews.
And I think, like, Tucker was getting immense pressure.
And he knew he would, and he did it anyway.
So that's like a point for Tucker.
That's incredible.
Well, to be fair, though, I don't even know if Tucker thought he was going to get that much backlash.
Yeah, he might have been surprised.
Because Nick is so popular, I thought, oh, well, I'm going to get some new support, even though Tucker is obviously one of the biggest broadcasters in the game.
I think that the backlash to him was a little surprising.
That's probably true.
Like he knew it was going to be some, but it was overwhelming.
And then all of a sudden, they just painted him with this anti Semitic brush.
And so that's kind of where I'm on Tucker's side of the thing, is that he did.
You know, and then it kind of got a little personal.
Then when Nick attacks, they make all them gay, and that's what everybody says.
And I don't think Nick's gay, but you know what I mean?
That's like, that's where all of a sudden Nick is going to be like, well, F Tucker.
And that's where I was like, I wish it didn't get to that level.
Yeah, it just sucks.
It really sucks.
But what I was going to say, like, big kind of major principle is whether it's Nick and Charlie or Nick and Tucker or whatever, or take Nick out of it, anybody, I think that there is a greater degree of responsibility on the person who is.
The person who has more power, the person who's more established, more credible.
That's Tucker, obviously.
Exactly, has more support, more palatable, more, you know, I think more institutional.
I think that guy, if there is any reconciliation that could be had, I think it falls on that guy more than the little guy to make it.
And so, like in the case of Nick and Charlie, it's like, well, you know, they were actually maybe not that far apart in a lot of ways.
And it was just this one issue that, you know, that just bubbled up into, you know, became all these.
And I would say, yes.
But at the same time, I would say, Charlie had to have known in the same way that Shapiro has admitted, he knew all along.
He was, yeah, I know who Nick is.
Yeah, I know who Nick is.
Yeah, I've been watching him.
He discovered him.
Yeah, exactly.
So, like, all these guys knew.
They ignored, but they knew.
And at any point, I know for a fact, I know for a fact, because I've told you, Nick, if Nick had gotten the call at any point, hey, you know what?
We don't even have to record, but just let's, I would like to invite you out.
Let's get dinner together and let's just talk about this.
But he never, there was never an olive branch.
There was never the bigger man being the bigger man of it.
Like, never.
Yeah, I think you're right.
But one thing, one point though, I do want to make is even though Tucker institutionally is bigger than Nick, everybody in the media business tries to act like, oh, it's all about the media.
When in reality, it's more about the narrative and the biases and, you know, having a politically correct opinion.
Because Tucker had the number one show on Fox News in the cable ratings.
And got fired.
You realize how hard it is to be the number one rated guy.
No, you're right.
And every media company, they're always trying to get the number one show, but then you fired.
Disney deliberately makes gay movies that they know will be a net death.
Negative.
Yeah.
Like, no, media, we forget.
So you get the number one show and you get fired.
That is, and I know Nick's had it hard, but I would argue that is probably one of the worst things.
You work your butt off, you have a monologue that people are just waiting on pins and needles every night to listen to, and you get fired because you don't like the Ukraine war.
You think Israel is a little too influential.
Influential.
Or the J6 stuff.
Yeah, or the January.
I mean, it's just, dude, he's been, he has been targeted just as equally as bad, in my opinion, to Nick.
I know it wasn't debanked and it wasn't.
That's absolutely true.
But timing makes all the difference.
There's a point in your life where it's like, okay, I was a part of the system and I was, you know, like I was the golden child.
Yeah.
And now it all turned on me.
But it all turned on me after like 30 years of praise.
You know, 30 years of credentials and success.
It's like, it does suck for Tucker.
I'm not, I'm not, I think that was wicked and wrong of what Fox did and what a lot, like what Trump has done with Alex Jones.
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Yeah, that's so all of that.
Like, so I feel for those guys.
That said, if you had the biggest show on Fox for years, biggest show on cable, period, not just the network, but the number one rated cable show, and then everyone turns against you, that sucks.
But here's some of the things that you don't have to worry about how do I feed myself?
You know, like, uh, you know, just daily provision that, like, uh, Nick had to think about, like, can I eat?
Yeah, you know what I mean?
But that is one other thing, though, too.
Those guys didn't have to think about that, even though Nick did get debanked, and I know he was really stressed about that.
Nick probably did know that he's always going to be okay financially because he has such big support.
I mean, not as financially, but how do you get it, though?
That is true.
If they take away not just YouTube, but they take away your stripe, being like, mom, let me use your credit card as an adult is not a good situation to be in.
Yeah, so I'm empathetic to that 100%.
Yeah, so I think that's.
That's all I'm saying is I think that's unique.
And that's not to minimize and say that, like, everybody has different forms of suffering.
Because if you're not careful, then it's like saying, well, no American can ever even pray and ask God for help because we have it so good.
And the only people who really have a hard enough life to ask God for help or ever say that things are hard is people in sub Saharan Africa who are eating bugs.
So I don't want to be that guy.
Tucker's suffering is a real suffering.
But we should recognize there are tears.
I think it was Nick that said this, and other people have said it, too.
You said it on my show.
Suffering is also a good thing because it forges you in the fire and it makes your next obstacle much easier when you know that you have a history of overcoming obstacles.
So it's kind of like with Candace or with Tucker or with Alex Jones.
But Alex Jones, really, of all of them, has been demonized the most because whatever you want to talk about, a school shooting, this and that, I believe in the First Amendment.
I don't care if he said that anything is fake.
You should be able to say that according to the Constitution.
He was targeted and now has lost his whole livelihood.
But There is something to be said that the more they attack you, the bigger and stronger it makes you.
That's true.
But nobody wants to be attacked.
It's easy for me to say that because I don't like being attacked.
I've had much less targeted attacks, but even when I get the hit piece article written about me, I don't like it.
And they get hit pieces written about them multiple times a day, every day.
So, yes, it makes you stronger, but there is, you know, it still sucks.
What's here at the end?
You do a show, you'll do professional trolling and sketches and things like that.
You also speak at colleges.
Yes.
What's the thing that you're most passionate about doing?
You know, this is what I always tell people when they do ask me this I started my career, I actually worked in reality TV.
I know that's crazy.
And I worked for the show Cheaters.
So we catch people cheating on their husbands and wives.
So I've always wanted to be in entertainment.
I went to LSU, studied communications.
And I started at the pandemic, I was actually supposed to be the host of Cheaters.
The guy was hosting it.
His name was Clark Gable.
He was the grandson of the famous Clark Gable from Gone with a Wind, he was my best friend.
I was one of the associate producers, he was the host.
And he had a strong constitution.
He wouldn't come to the show drunk, but after the show, he's the type of guy that goes eat lunch at a strip club.
I don't know if you know those types of guys, Joel, because they have free lunch at a strip club.
You probably don't know those guys.
You don't know the type of guys, but believe it or not, at strip clubs, they have free lunches a lot of times.
They want to get you in there.
He was the type of guy to be like, hey, meet me at the.
And I hate strip clubs.
And I'm not saying that to virtue, saying, well, I can't stand a strip club.
That's the last place I want to go.
Not that I don't like naked women, but it's just so seedy and they're always trying to get money from you.
But that's the type of wild animal that Clark was.
And Clark was an awesome guy.
I miss him so much.
He got in a car accident, was prescribed pain pills, and he lived in California, would come to Dallas.
And the reason we filmed in Dallas is because we don't have a strict film commission because we were always running in cafes and shooting.
Like, if you tried to do that in LA or New York, they'd be like, where's your permit?
And shut us down.
But in Texas, this is just, it was like the Wild West when it came to shooting a reality show.
Long story short, had pain pills, ran out of them, went to a dealer, bought some pills that had Fenton on them, took the pill, never woke up, in bed with his 19 month old daughter and his wife, or fiancee at the time.
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They said, Alex, you're going to be the next host of the show.
And I was kind of going through this like, oh, this is so sad that my friend died, but I'm kind of excited for this.
Then when it came to filming the show, they said, actually, we're going to go with a black host.
The majority of our audience is black.
We've never had a black host.
So I kind of lost my job to DEI, and that kind of triggered me.
It kind of made me more right wing, right?
And then we're in the first, they said, but you can stay on as a producer.
So I stayed on for the first week, and we're in a conference call with Viacom, who distributes the show.
They own CMT, MTV, and VH1, a huge company.
They said, you know, The host's name is Peter Guns.
He had one song, it's called Uptown.
It was a hit song back in the day.
And they said, We want to change his name to Peter Pankey.
And I go, and I was, you know, I'm asking because I was supposed to be the host.
You know, they told me I was going to be the host.
I'm like, Why?
His name recognition is not that much as Peter Gunn's.
Why are we going to change it to Peter Pankey?
And they said, Well, we don't want to glamorize gun violence.
I was like, This is so stupid.
And that's when I started my podcast.
So, back to answering your story, I started a podcast with one of the cameramen that worked there.
He's like, Hey, I can set you up and help you.
And I did a podcast.
And, you know, I got a little bit of emotion and not a lot, but, you know, I got 10,000 subscribers pretty fast, kind of like how you got into it.
You know, how you started to kind of get some success pretty quick.
And then the pandemic happens.
And then I start going to city council meetings speaking earnestly, like, don't shut us down.
You know, if a mask can't stop a deadly virus, you know, I say, if a pair of Levi's can't stop a fart, how can a mask stop a deadly virus?
You know, doing all the, but I was serious.
And I noticed that they were just looking at their phones.
They weren't paying attention.
And then once I started, and it was actually Charlie that discovered this video that kind of made me blow up.
My first kind of viral, viral video was I went after they passed the heartbeat bill in Texas where they outlawed abortion after eight weeks.
I went to the city council and I was like, I'm going to try something new.
And I wrote this speech about how much I love abortion and how I'm mad about this bill.
And, you know, it's the best form of contraception because it works 100% of the time and it's just a clump of cells, you know, giving all the arguments that the, you know, the pro choice people give.
And it got shared on Charlie's Facebook and they thought it was real and it blew up.
And I was like, this is what I need to do.
And so, with that being said, I started to go speak at the meetings.
I started talking about how much I love the vaccine.
I started going against the Ukraine war.
And I'm not saying this to virtue signal, but I love when people come up to me.
I appreciate when people say you're funny or this and that.
Some people say I suck.
I don't appreciate that, but that's fair.
My point is, when people tell me that I went and spoke at a meeting because I saw your video, because I want more people to go and call out politicians, they have such fragile egos that even going back, it didn't get a bunch of views when I was getting mad at them.
It did have an effect.
And now I've created, I would say, kind of a small army of people that don't just go there and troll people, but some people are speaking serious about this subject.
But the more people that I can get and encourage to go actually go to public meetings and call out their politicians, because With the pandemic, we learn sometimes it's your local jurisdiction that matters more than the federal election.
So that's how I think that I will actually change the culture that we're living in by encouraging and motivating more people to go speak out and call out the hypocrisy from these politicians.
So that's kind of my main goals.
And I've thought about creating not a class because I know people that's kind of all about money, but I do, that's kind of my next goal.
I want to kind of create, I don't know what it is, but A way that will teach people how they can go speak at a meeting because a lot of people might not know how easy it is to just go sign up.
They think that they have to be invited there, they think that there's some sort of a lot of red tape when there's really not.
So, I want to motivate more people because it changed my life, and I think a lot of people's lives can change.
And you see in Chicago where the black people are speaking out against all the social services to the immigrants, and that's totally changed the culture there.
So, believe it or not, we hold all the power.
We like to think that, oh, the politicians have all the power.
We outnumber the cops, we outnumber the politicians.
And if we actually speak against the tyranny that we're under, Changes can happen.
And so I just want to give, I want to motivate people to realize that they're more powerful than they think and that we need to go call out hypocrisy.
And so that's kind of what motivates me and makes me feel the best is when people come up to me and say, Alex, I saw your stupid video and I went and I spoke at a meeting.
And that makes me feel good about everything that I do, more than the debate, more than publicly speaking or even doing a podcast.
I love motivating people to go out there and actually kind of get involved.
Yeah, love it.
That's really good.
Thanks for coming on the show.
Hey, it's a pleasure.
We talked about a lot of subjects.
I feel like we learned a little bit at the beginning, and I feel like I taught you some stuff, so now I feel good, Joel.