Joel Webbin launches the New Christian Right network on May 4th, 2026, promoting books like "The Silent Jihad" and advocating for repealing the 19th Amendment to restore masculine virtue. He argues that democracy's "feminization" threatens Western civilization, urging men to lead without permission by confronting heresy on social media and rejecting consensus. Ultimately, this strategy demands a radical shift where pastors and politicians actively define sin in the public square to prevent societal collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
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New Website and Books00:08:10
Big news NXR Studios brand new website is now officially live.
Go to newchristianright.com, newchristianright.com, and see all the stuff that we're cooking up in the year of our Lord 2026.
We are hosting new shows.
We have the Monday and Friday live stream, but we're now condensing it to just a weekly show on Mondays, and it's going to be called Christian Nationalism Weekly, hosted by myself and my co host Wesley Todd and Antonio Griffith.
But then on Tuesdays, we're inviting a new host to the NXR network, Dale Partridge.
On Tuesdays, we'll be leaving a show called American Grit.
Then on Wednesday, we're going to keep our flagship show where I do the long form interview with notable guests on the Christian right.
It's called the NXR Special.
Another host joining the NXR network, Calvin Robinson.
It's called The Next Crusade.
And then lastly, one third and final new host joining our team.
Harrison Smith.
You might recognize him from working with Alex Jones in InfoWars.
He's going to be doing a weekly show on Fridays called Off Limits News.
All five of these shows, Monday through Friday, will air at 5 p.m. Eastern Time, and all of this will be starting on Monday, May 4th.
In addition to the new shows, we also have new books.
So we have a brand new edition of our first publication that's already been out there for a while.
We have sold thousands of copies just in Q1 of 2026.
We First, launched this book January 2nd.
It's called The Hyphenated Heresy Judeo Christianity, and it has been selling like hotcakes.
People recognize that we need America first.
There's a problem in our nation politically, we're in a stranglehold by Israel, and there's a problem in our churches in America.
Dispensational Zionism has a stranglehold on evangelicals.
So, this book, The Hyphenated Heresy Judeo Christianity, written by myself and my co author Jordan Hall, has been immensely helpful.
For many of you, we've got a brand new cover, brand new edition available now.
Now, our second book, almost there, right about to cross the finish line, but available for pre order right now.
This is written by Calvin Robinson and it's called The Silent Jihad How to Stop the Islamification of the West.
It will be shipping mid May in just a couple weeks, but pre orders are available right now.
Our third book, it's going to be shipping in July, but again, It is available for pre order now.
It's called White Genocide The Criminal Conspiracy of Immigration, Demographic Replacement, and Anti White Racism.
This is written by myself and again, Jordan Hall as the co author.
This will be shipping in July, available for pre orders today.
Then, lastly, our final book of the year, Shipping in September, is written by Dale Partridge.
It's called 19 Reasons to Repeal the 19th Amendment.
Shipping in September.
But pre orders available today.
You can go again to our website, newchristianright.com, or go straight to our store, which is shop.newchristianright.com, and check out the books, pre order them today.
All four of these books are the conversations that a lot of guys on the conservative right are not willing to have demolishing feminism, 19 reasons to repeal the 19th Amendment, standing up against anti white hatred with our book.
White genocide, stopping the Islamic invasion with the silent jihad, and getting rid of toxic Zionism with our first publication, The Hyphenated Heresy.
The last thing I want to share with you is this.
In addition to the books, we also have at shop.newchristianright.com in our store our new merch line.
And my favorite shirt, I'm a little biased because this is the only one that I actually had the idea for, but it's called Diversity for Israel.
And here's basically the thought behind it I've been told by a lot of people that anti Semitism is on the rise in America.
And it's very, very dangerous.
And so I wanted to do my part and shut down the anti Semitic rise in America.
And I thought to myself, well, what have people been saying to me my entire life is one of the most virtuous, valuable strengths in America?
And I mean, look no further than diversity, right?
Diversity is our greatest strength here in America.
That's what I've been told over and over for years and years now.
And then I started thinking, well, who is our greatest ally when you think about America?
Certainly, we've been told again and again it's Israel.
And so I thought if we want to stop anti Semitism, then we should stop being so selfish as Americans, especially as Christians.
We should be sharing.
We should be, let me say it this way, we should be demanding, insisting that America's greatest strength be implemented with our greatest ally, diversity for Israel.
Right now, we've got to make it happen, guys.
You've got to get this shirt.
You need to be wearing it in public.
You need to be going to political rallies.
You need to be going to school board meetings wearing this shirt and say, look, we've had enough of the anti Semitism.
It's not right.
Israel is our greatest ally.
No one has provided more for America than Israel.
And therefore, America is obliged to share with our greatest ally our greatest strength diversity for Israel.
So go and check out the merch line.
Go and pre order the books.
Go and check out the new shows that are airing starting May 4th.
Monday through Friday at 5 p.m. Eastern Time.
All of it at NewtonHirshtonWright.com.
Radical Christian nationalist pastor, Joel Webbin.
Joel Webbin.
I'm gonna talk about Joel Webbin.
Your weapon is an accident.
So now we're going to talk about solutions.
What do we do?
We discussed at the end of our prior episode that a lot of what's required is political will, not just hearts for revival, but the stomachs for revival.
We have a rising new generation that is angry, in my assessment, not nearly angry enough.
And certainly that indignation has to be a righteous indignation, it has to be coupled with virtue.
So my problem is I see.
Not that I see too much anger, but I just don't see quite enough anger.
And I see a huge deficit of righteous anger.
I see too much vice, not enough virtue.
We should be prudent, but we shouldn't be overcautious.
I was talking to you guys the other night about when Don Lemon and his liberals raided a church.
I put up a picture on social media of me in my church holding my AR 15.
The message there being you're not raiding our church.
We're here to worship God.
If you come and try to disturb that, we'll kick you out.
It's not to say I'm going to go out shooting people.
It's to say we will defend ourselves and our liberty to worship our one true living God at all costs.
I got a call from a very senior cleric who said, Is that wise?
And I'm like, Is it illegal?
Is it immoral?
Is it heretical?
Power to Make Changes00:04:04
If it's no to all three, then yes, it's wise.
It's fine.
But we want to be overly cautious of appearing nice to the nice world.
The world isn't nice.
So why should we appear nice?
We should try to be good.
We should try to be righteous.
But we're always afraid.
What would our forebears do?
We'd be following the Christian princes on horseback with a spear or a sword, going into battle to take out these.
Jewish pedophilic elite.
What are we doing?
Again, not enough.
We don't have the Christian princes, but we are faith leaders.
So our job is to catechize, is to form, train, educate the next generation so that they are equipped to fight theologically and intellectually.
Yes.
But it may come to fighting physically too.
Yes.
Yeah, I think part of the problem is in order to make changes, you need power.
And all power in our country currently is female adjacent.
So, part of the problem is that everything is feminine coded.
Yeah.
Because of democracy, it requires that in order to achieve any measure of influence or authority whatsoever, you have to have at least half of your approval come from a group of people who hate aggression.
Yeah.
Insist on niceness.
Yeah.
Yes.
How's that going to work?
Well, you have Helen, is it her last name?
Hunt?
I don't remember.
Maybe that's the movie star.
I can't remember, but she did a feminization of institutions.
She gave a really great talk on that.
Oh, yes, yes.
Yeah, she gave a good talk on when you have the feminization of institutions or the infiltration of institutions through women, you essentially change the culture of institutions that produces circumstances where masculinity dies.
And in order for survival, you need to appease the feminine virtues and desires.
And so I think what we have right now is we have what I would call like selective outrage.
And this is the inconsistency of our outrage.
So we'll be very angry about certain things and not angry about other things.
And there's a lack of unequal tables of justice or weights of justice on particular issues.
I was in a conversation talking about how they made the Joan of Arc character.
Was to be a black woman.
And somebody said to me, Why are you even talking about this?
Right.
And they're a white person.
Why are you even talking about this?
Or Snape was cast as a black character.
I'm like, this is an English story.
The text says that his pale face in the actual manuscript of the book.
And there was frustration.
It was selective white outrage around frustration.
And I go, well, are you upset about the discussion going on around this character, this revisionist history?
Pattern that we're seeing in Hollywood, but you're not upset about the overarching meta narrative of replacing historic figures with non historic realities.
Are you not upset about the national dishonesty or the media dishonesty around these issues?
It's kind of like if you have a bully and he's poking somebody and he's poking somebody, and then the bully, the little kid finally.
Pushes back, and then you yell at the little kid, Hey, why are you pushing back?
It's like, Well, for the last several decades, we've had this constant revisionist history pushed at us on every possible desire.
And so, I think that outrage needs to be consistent, it needs to be judicial, it needs to be virtuous, it needs to be Christian, it needs to be righteous.
Pushing Back Against Bullying00:03:59
But how do we get there?
I think that's the question about what are you allowed to be upset about?
How do you temper it?
Because I think a lot of young men.
Are either black pilled on something or they're just.
We know the common reality of a young man is to not manage prudently his temper.
And so, how do you look at them?
We're older men now that we're 40 and above, or Jill's about to be there.
But how do we get these young men who are 20 to be outraged righteously, but also not extend into folly?
I think that's a big question.
I don't know if anybody's going to have a great answer on it, but I think it's the ongoing generational discussion.
Yeah.
I don't see any path aside from the full removal of feminism.
I just think so long as we have democracy coupled with universal suffrage, you will constantly be going against the grain.
You're constantly going to have half of the population.
Voting for temperance, tolerance, suicidal empathy.
So, do we not understand at this point what it's like to even be in a masculine culture?
Because right now, everything that is actually just masculine seems extreme because of our feminine sensitivities.
It doesn't have to be either or.
It's binary.
It's either masculine or it's feminine.
We seem to think we can have this balance, but it just ends up being feminine.
So, we've got to remove the feminism.
And that means that men have to stand up and take ownership again, take responsibility again.
It means we can't wait for women to say we don't want the vote anymore.
We've got to take the vote from them.
And that's the clincher there.
That's the problem.
That's the hard bit.
Yes.
Yeah.
At the end of the day, it has to be there's always an aristocracy, whether formal or informal.
There's always an elite class.
And I'm constantly reminded of the passage in the Gospels that says Jesus did not entrust himself to men, for he knew what was in men's hearts.
You know, there are moments throughout the earthly ministry of Christ where the people wanted to crown him king, right?
Where the people were very much pro Jesus.
He was a populist figure.
There are moments where the people wanted to kill him as well.
But at the end of the day, what wins out is not the people.
Like the elites tried to kill him, the Pharisees, Sadducees, religious rulers, but did not on several occasions in the highest sense because it was not yet his time.
But in the temporal human level, they didn't, and the text will say, because of, you know, for fear of the people.
Because Jesus was popular.
He was liked by the common man.
But my point is that even in the case of Christ, the people generally liked him.
They were fickle and went back and forth, but generally liked him and at moments wanted to crown him king.
The elites, although in terms of the numerical comparison, were an extreme minority.
You know, spoil alert if you haven't familiarized yourself with the story, the elites win.
Jesus is ultimately put to death.
The elites beat out the people.
And my point, I guess, is that I don't think you're going to get people to vote away democracy or vote away.
But it does happen.
It can.
Giving Permission for Truth00:04:35
But my point is that I'm agreeing with you.
I think that it has to be taken.
I think that men, virtuous, ambitious, masculine men, have to climb.
The ladder of power and forcefully take away from the people that which is their detriment.
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And I think this is an important point.
And maybe what we're doing here is those young men, often as the case is for older men and younger men, are looking for permission.
A lot of those guys have been told by the gatekeepers, don't do that.
But I think that if you can look at the men and go, do it and do it righteously, do it and do it virtuously, but do it.
And by the way, when you're swinging a sword, there's always casualties.
There's always a reality that comes into play with war.
This is something, you know, what I often see about with social media.
I'm out there saying hard things.
You guys are saying hard things.
And it's during the Crusades, your husband would go out and he would fight a battle, and the women didn't see it.
And the women couldn't watch it.
And so they come back, the men come back, and they're that loving husband again, that loving father again.
But the woman has no.
Opinion or discussion around the war because she was free from her sight.
But today, with women on social media, they're watching what's happening out there and we're swinging swords with words.
We're fighting and cutting down enemies and idols.
And they're going, Oh my gosh, don't hurt him.
That's so rude.
That's so mean.
And you go, Well, they would have said the same thing had they been on the battlefield watching the guy swing the sword and go, You accidentally killed that guy that wasn't.
Actually, your enemy, or maybe you sliced his leg and that he was on your, whatever critique might have flown out.
But now they're there in the battlefield of the public square.
And it can't shape the men.
We need to make sure that it doesn't shape the men.
So I think they're looking for permission to go, hey, there's an old Billy Graham quote from years ago.
It's something like, the courage of one man strengthens the spines of others.
And I think that's true, is that I think that when we have conversations, Saying hard things, it stiffens the spines of younger men that go, okay, all right.
I've always said this.
People say, you're not convincing anyone.
You've got to be in the middle.
You've got to gain the middle ground.
And my line is, I'm not here to convince anyone.
People know the truth.
I'm here to give them permission to say the truth.
That's all people are looking for permission to say what we already believe to be true.
They just, for some reason, they need the confidence to go forth and do it.
And so that's our role.
We're not here to convince the masses.
The masses know what's right or wrong.
We know what's good and evil.
God imprinted it on our hearts and he gave us the commandments to follow.
We just have to give people permission to do that.
Yeah, I think there's a real need to set an example as older men.
And I think a lot of the older men, you know, Joel and I were talking about this at one point, but if your fathers are not honorable, then you must look to your father's fathers or your father's father's fathers.
And we need to see and be reminded of what masculinity is from previous generations that we might mimic it.
And just fathers in the church, that is our role.
Yeah, amen.
Calling Us to This Time00:12:31
Yeah.
And the masses.
I agree with you.
I mean, that's Romans 1, it's Romans 2.
The natural law is imprinted on the hearts of men so that even the unbeliever condemns himself by sinning against his own conscience and what he innately knows to be right and wrong.
All of that is true.
At the same time, the masses, in terms of giving permission to young men, in that vein, one thing that I would say to young men is that the masses are not necessary for change.
Right.
You don't actually need the masses.
The liberals had a vocal minority and they still made a change.
Exactly.
3% of the population, well organized and determined and fearless, were able to replace the American flag with a rainbow in the course of four decades.
How did that happen?
We think that the masses are setting.
The course, you know, that they're determining, you know, where we'll go next.
It's not true.
I use this, you know, illustration from time to time.
It's a bit crude, but it makes the point clear.
It's not as though in 1959, when Leave It to Beaver, black and white television, was a hit TV show, that all these, you know, stay at home, desperate housewives of the 1950s were, you know, sitting around the living room television watching the show and thinking, we really love this show.
But the problem is there's just not enough but sex.
And Hollywood, as virtuous as they were, said, we don't really want to do that, but the customer's always right.
You know, capitalism at the end of the day sets the course.
And so, to our own chagrin, we're going to add a little bit of slop, a little bit of a, you know, degeneracy, goy slop into the mix for these desperate housewives so that they'll keep watching our show.
You know, we all know that it's laughable.
It was exactly the opposite.
It was the elites said, despite what the customer wanted, despite the masses, the elite said, We want you to be degenerate.
Right.
You're not demanding degeneracy.
You don't desire degeneracy.
They're saying we want degenerate.
And I want you to be like me.
Yes, the Southwest Park clip.
Make it gayer was the point.
Right, exactly.
Make it gayer.
Put a woman in there.
So then they put it in, and oh, we got some backlash.
That was a little bit too much.
So we'll put a little bit less.
What can we get away with?
It's cultural subversion.
It's evil.
Yes.
But my point is, it's always leaders.
It's not whether, but which.
You have righteous leaders or you have degenerate ones, but leaders lead.
This idea.
So I'm encouraged by a return to nationalism.
A return to nature, a return to religion, a return to Christianity, all these things, tradition, are good.
But if you think that it's the vanguard, it's what we have to be the vanguard.
So you've both talked about the standard for immigration that was eroded.
It was the same in Hollywood.
There was the Hayes Code.
So Christians came together and said, This is a guide for morality.
If you're going to produce entertainment, stick to this.
No one screams sex.
Just very abstract rules about morality that people stuck to until.
A certain demographic got in charge of Hollywood and subverted culturally and pushed degeneracy.
So the Christians start these standards, start these codes, but don't hold on to the vanguard and let it go every single time to the elites.
Right, exactly.
So my point is there's nothing written in the stars, and young men need to hear this.
They can't be bright eyed and bushy tailed.
They can't afford to be naive, as innocent as doves, but as shrewd as serpents.
So young men need to be shrewd and they need to be aware of what we're up against.
They don't need to be.
You know, just hooked up to the hopium machine.
At the same time, though, they do need to have hope not disillusionment and not naivety, but genuine Christian hope.
And the hope is that there's nothing written in the stars that ensures that things must continue to get worse and worse and worse.
There's nothing in the scripture that mandates that things have to get perpetually worse until Christ's return.
And there's nothing that's set in the sovereignty of God that guarantees, or at least nothing that's revealed to us that we know of.
As far as we know, we know how things change.
They change by a minority that's high caliber men, that's well organized, that's relentless and will not back down until they ultimately get their way.
And that pattern, there's nothing that I've come across.
That would indicate that that doesn't work in both directions.
Well, there are the cycles of human societies that they rise and they fall, and we have abundance, we have degeneracy.
These patterns are recognizable, and Western civilization or Christendom is on the downward trend of that.
So it may be that things are going to get worse, but big picture, like we've got to stop thinking about our lifetimes and start thinking about God's design and how do we help advance the kingdom, even for our great, great, great grandchildren.
Well, recovering lost ground is harder than.
We think because it's not just that you need to sustain or maintain what is already yours, it is a work of recovering what was lost.
That means that young men need to do extremely difficult things because of the failures of those that went before them.
And that's why I often say it's either us or we force our sons to do this.
So it's better that it's us.
And our sons will have their own dragons.
They will have their own dragons.
Whichever dragon we choose not to slay.
Is just one's, you know, because our children's generation will have their own battles.
And the last thing we want to do is to, on top of their own battles, that they have to fight ours as well.
Yeah.
And so we know that we have a political enemy, a moral enemy who doesn't worship God.
And with their free time, they turn politics into their religion.
And they use that religion as this.
When you're at church and when you're hanging out with your children and when you're working your job, they are collaborating and cultivating and organizing to steal everything from you.
And so you go, well, how do I have a family, have children, have a job, worship Christ, be a virtuous man, and still have time to take out this enemy?
And I think that's the conversation.
Well, that is the process.
Getting married and having children and passing on the faith is part of that process of winning back.
Yes.
We're dying out as a people.
Because we're not getting married and not having children.
And those who are having children, not raising them as a family.
And so they're going the way of the world instead of the way of Christ.
And we know, of course, that we acknowledge, us three men, acknowledge that it's hard to find a wife right now because everybody's a feminist and everybody's testosterone levels are through the floor.
And you have porn in your pocket.
And so the drive, the fuel that you would typically have to go and find a wife is being self released on a regular basis for most young men that aren't married.
And so I just go, yeah, the circumstances are hard.
But that's what I'm saying is that it is extremely difficult to take back lost ground.
Like, expect it to be harder than the sustaining work that your forefathers had.
This is to recover the economy of America, to recover the political landscape of America, to recover the religious landscape of America is far more complicated than it was to sustain it 100 years ago.
And that's, I think, the work that.
Yeah, to restore is more difficult than to maintain.
So it's far easier to maintain what you already have established than to rebuild from the rubble.
So that's certainly true.
But my point is just to say that it can be done.
It's not impossible and it's not even unusually complex.
It's just simply hard.
It's hard work, but it can be done.
And we've seen it be done.
We've seen societies be.
Burn the transgender propaganda.
We've seen societies burn all the evil books, close down the child brothels.
We've seen societies take away the democratic vote after being voted into power.
These things have been done, but they become so taboo that we're not allowed to even think about them, never mind discuss them.
Right.
We've also seen.
But it's always done without permission.
I don't even think that's true.
I think people knew what they were voting for and got what they voted for.
Retrospectively, they've changed their minds.
Yeah.
That people voted against a vote.
Is that what you're thinking?
Which nation are you thinking of?
Why more Germany?
Yeah.
Well, and I think, you know, we saw this even with Charlie Kirk, right?
He had an organized will for power and he acquired it a significant amount of power.
And he's a case study in what many can do.
But I do believe that Christian men need to have, again, Gnostic, for anybody that's been watching these episodes, Gnostic is the idea that spiritual only is good and physical is bad.
And the kind of divide or divorce of the spiritual and the physical is a great tactic of the enemy so that you don't care about your world, you don't care about your earth, you don't care about your home.
And so the reality of fighting to get.
The physical back is a virtuous and godly thing because God didn't just create your soul.
I mean, we actually hear in 1 Corinthians chapter 6 that God, Christ, purchased both your body and your soul, which are God's.
And so he doesn't just care about your soul, he cares about your body.
He cares about the earth in which he created and which he is redeeming.
He cares about the order, he created the nations.
There's all of these things that it's not just a spiritual only kingdom, it's a physical kingdom that God is sanctifying through.
Through the church.
It is all sanctification, absolutely.
We are called to such a time as this for a reason.
We're called to suffer for a reason.
All of this is part of the big picture.
And so we can't neglect that duty.
We've got to jump into it head first.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think that the post millennial theology for a lot of people is a lot of the young guys that maybe haven't been into some of the eschatology discussions, but having a post millennial hope where the world isn't going to get worse and worse and worse, but we actually believe it's going to get better and better and better doesn't mean that it doesn't have dips and ups and downs as we're climbing up the mountain, just like you have the hills that are.
Climbing up the foothills that are climbing up the mountain.
But over time, through the proclamation of the gospel, through the body of Christ, which is the church, we expect that Christ will be successful in converting his enemies or conquering his enemies through conversion.
And that the gospel is spiritual, but it comes into physical beings and that it comes out the fingertips of those physical beings into education and into politics and into civics and into economics and all of these dimensions.
And so, do we believe the world is better now than it was 500 years ago?
I think so.
I don't.
Well, sorry.
Sorry.
Meaning, You're looking at this particular moment as a dip.
I'm saying is that are there more Christians on the earth today than there were, say, 500 years ago?
I think there are.
I don't know about that.
Are they less organized and maybe less fruitful as a group?
Maybe.
But what I'm saying is that the church continues to grow.
Has it ever been a point where the church is getting smaller?
I don't think the church is getting smaller.
I think it's getting bigger and bigger.
Now, can it be less fruitful or less mature?
Possibly.
And I think there's seasons that do that.
I think we're in a dip.
Right now, if you look at the stock market and you go, you see the stock market's going up and down.
But if you zoom out over 50 years, you're like, oh, this thing's trending up.
I think it's a big dip.
I think we talk about the dark ages and that's another subversion.
I think the dark ages were a great Christian time, one of the best times in human history.
Church Growth Amidst Dips00:15:01
However, now this is the new dark age.
This is the real dark age.
When we talk about the fact that women are killing since 1970 more human beings than have ever been killed by men throughout the whole of human history in every war, plague, famine, pestilence combined, we're killing off, we're sacrificing babies to Moloch.
It's on a biblical level.
And not only is it happening, But it's acceptable.
Lonely is acceptable.
Sometimes it's celebrated.
So, this is the darkest time in human history.
People will be like, Yeah, we've got plumbing now.
We've got convenience now.
Yes, but we're killing off babies every day.
It's happening right now as we're talking.
Yeah.
It's dark.
Well, and, and, uh, yeah, I, you know, the trannies are reading our children's stories at the libraries.
Um, you know, the homosexuals are leading in government.
Um, uh, pagan immigration is happening everywhere.
The Hindus are sacrificing goats.
And, you know, it's everywhere.
And I go, That's why people go, Why are you so extreme, Dale?
Because we're so superior.
We think we're in the best time, we think we're the best people.
It's all this year zero stuff.
Like, if I was around when Jesus was there, of course I wouldn't condemn him.
Yeah, of course you would, because it's your human nature, your sinful nature.
Like, we look at history and be like, those Aztecs, what were they doing?
Sacrificing babies.
We're doing it today, and we don't even recognize it.
We don't recognize the evil capacity in ourselves.
We're so blinded by our own sense of pride.
Well, and that's why, again, I'm going to go into this conversation around social media.
I think it's vastly important that men are on social media.
Okay.
I think it's vastly important that women are not on social media.
Not that women can't be on social media in the sense that I think there are some specific spots for women, like women only spaces and discussions around older women, teaching younger women how to love their husbands and love their children.
But I think that what Satan is doing is that he's making the internet, A place of temptation for pornography as a way to keep men off of social media and women on it.
But women control the narrative through social media.
And when men are going, oh, my wife's on social media, but I'm not on social media, I'm like, dude, the public war for our country and our future is on social media.
You think that the conversations that led to any particular war, where'd they start first?
They didn't start at the Pentagon.
No, they started at the rumblings of discussions that are happening on social media.
Ban the porn.
Ban the porn.
Ban children from using social media.
Encourage your wives not to be on social media.
Media and men get on there and engage.
I can't think of hardly any reasons.
I mean, again, there are some.
Oh, great recipe.
Oh, that was a great piece of wisdom on how to be a submissive, joyful wife.
Or there are some great things that exist.
But outside of that, the vast majority of social media is not good for women.
No.
It's a place of gossip.
It's a place of warfare.
It's a place of temptation.
It's a place of comparison.
And all that happens is men fall into that and men become gossips and men become tempted and men become effeminate.
So we need men on social media so that, like, and again, I always tell people, get on X. Get on X right now because this is basically the newspaper of the day.
It's the public square of the day.
And when you get to see what's happening around the world, it will, it'll red pill you, right?
Don't let it black pill you, but it'll red pill you.
You'll go, wow.
Now I'm, because people misunderstand, I think all three of us, they go, why are you saying such intense things?
And I'm going, do you not see the trannies reading the kids' library books?
Do you not see the abortion numbers?
Do you not see the pride flag flying over our nation?
Do you not see these things?
Like, at what point am I supposed to, when am I allowed to be mad?
Like, when's the outrage permitted?
And so I think now is the time where you go, it's okay to be mad.
It's, you know, be angry, but do not sin, which is the very difficult balance of this discussion.
So I think that's something we all struggle with.
That's something we should all repent of, but we should continue anyway.
We should continue trying to be better.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
We try to emulate Christ and all of his virtues.
And in every single attempt, we fail.
But then we get back on the horse and try it again.
So, as we seek to love as Christ loves, in any instance when we fail to love Christianly, when we fail to love as Christ would have us, we don't say, Well, I'm not able to love the same caliber as Christ, therefore I'm no longer going to try to love.
We would never say that.
So, all we're suggesting is.
I want to flip tables and fashion whips.
I'm called to flip tables.
Christianly, like I want to whip money changers just as Christ would.
And when I fail, then I want to buckle down and try it again.
Amen to that.
Yeah, I think it's certainly a time where people want the permission, they need the example, they need the Passion behind it.
And you got to know that you're going to get critiqued, especially by women.
You're going to get critiqued by effeminate men.
You're going to get critiqued by elites.
And we have to critique ourselves.
We have to rein ourselves in.
We have to do that whilst also not falling into being the gatekeepers.
Okay.
As people we know who've tried to gatekeep us, we've got to encourage men to go forth, but also help rein themselves in and rein ourselves in.
Well, this is the, I think, part of the strategy, right?
So, as much as you want to be on the front of the Overton window, you can't be outside of the front of the Overton window.
And the reason is because it's just ineffective strategic leadership.
Is where are the masses and how far ahead do you want to get to the masses?
Well, if you get too far ahead of the masses, you're not leading the masses.
You're leading a minor group.
And so you also don't want to be too far behind where you're just essentially liked by everybody and the fear of man is guiding you.
And so, but there are some people that will be outside of the Overton window where, yeah, maybe the conversation will be there in five years, but it's not there yet.
And right now, you're just looking like an idiot, even though maybe some of the things you're saying are true.
But that I'm not sure of.
I think we always have to be true.
And if that makes us look like an idiot to the rest of the world, that's fine.
The problem I have is.
When we do it as a reaction or we do it to be an edge reward.
Like that's the boundary.
We've got to always stick for Christ and the truth.
Sure.
And I'm saying is that obviously righteous provocation is righteous and good.
And you should speak for the truth and stand for the truth no matter what the circumstances.
But I think as leaders, we need to figure out where's that spot, ride that line, and slowly we should be into overton window shifting work.
And it's happening, which is good.
Yeah, we should.
But there are different people.
For different.
Some people are going to smash the door down so others can walk through it.
Right.
Different people are on the team.
And part of it has to do with personality and gifting and those things.
Part of it also has to do with vocation.
So part of the difficulty that all three of us face is that long before being, you know, influencers or whatever you want to call it, we're actually ministers.
And ministers don't really have the prerogative of not speaking the truth wherever it may be found.
So if you're a young man and you're listening to us and you feel the Lord, Calling you to a vocation of politics, for instance, like you want to be a politician, then there's a reasonable argument to be made without compromise to Christian virtue for hiding your power levels.
There's a reasonable argument to be made for holding back at some points for some temporary moment of time in order to achieve a larger and more effective outcome.
But the minister doesn't have that luxury.
That's, I think, the difference.
Is, you know, a lot of times I'll have people say, like, Joel, but, like, why don't you know, why you would be so much more effective if you simply narrowed your focus and were choosing to fight on only one front?
Calm down on that particular issue.
Exactly.
So they'll say, like, you know, Joel, like, you actually have a lot of support when it comes to fighting against the Judeo Christian nonsense.
Why don't you just stick to that?
People who agree with you.
I get the opposite.
It's like you're great on Islam.
Why do you have to talk about the Jews?
Exactly.
Exactly.
So people say, why don't you just fight on the front of, you know, against the Judeo, whatever.
Like all these people are agreeing with you.
And then the moment you start to get critical mass, you offend half of them by saying something about feminism, right?
Because like I'll be talking about, you know, the whole Judeo thing and half of the hurrahs and, you know, The cheerleading is from women.
First time I got cancelled in this country was for that.
They invited me over to speak on critical theories, and I did.
They thought I'd speak mostly on race, probably because I'm brown.
That's a racist assumption on their part.
But I spoke on feminism, the critical theory that has invaded conservatives.
I said something along the lines of a woman can no more become a priest as a man can become a mother, common sense Christian value.
We had female pastors walking out as I'm quoting from the scriptures.
Like, yes, how pervasive this is.
Yeah.
So my point is it depends on calling.
If you do feel called to the ministry, then you will be fighting on multiple fronts because you must fight wherever there's an attack.
And we're being attacked on multiple fronts.
I wish that our enemy would be so courteous as to line up his troops and only attack on one field, but he doesn't fight fair.
And so he's attacking us from the north and the south and the east and the west.
And some of the attacks are calculated and organized, and others are guerrilla warfare and subversive and all these different things.
And so the minister has to be willing to mount a defense at every point where he's being attacked.
And my point is that in that sense, The ministers, I think, have, you know, they don't have the luxury, but they do have the obligation to be, you know, a front line, the ones who are on the team outside, perhaps, of the Overton window who are pulling.
And then there are others, you know, that are perhaps called to business or to politics or to some other field that can be inside pushing, you know, and working together.
As a team, yeah.
So, yeah, we know that pastors are the last generalists in a specialized world, that pastors are one of the last generalists that we need to know a little about everything because the scriptures speak about everything.
So, we need to bring all of Christ for all of life in every dimension of the sphere of life.
And when I think about you have a variety of people, this is the problem, right?
Is that you have these maybe soft people that are in lower.
Echelons of the Christian discussion in America.
And I recognize that there's an importance.
Maybe they're moving people from, you know, a very dark and sinful life just into phase one.
And God has a mosaic, He has a body, which is, it's not, there's dimension, right?
And then you have people that maybe are to our left that are moving people from their left towards the right.
And that continues to go on.
And it is.
It's also why I don't condemn people to my right because there are people that are more right than I am.
And if you can defend their positions biblically or defend them with virtue and Christian righteousness, I think that they're there.
But there is a mosaic.
And I think the body of Christ proves that.
We're a flock, we're a building, we're a bride, we're an organism that's multifaceted.
And there is people in every part of the body that are moving people along this journey.
I'm not going to take some normie evangelical Baptist in Southern California megachurch all the way to maybe my positions theologically, politically, overnight.
How long did it take you to get here?
I mean, it took me years.
And so I think the Lord is using many people in many different ways, and we need to appreciate that.
We have to be forgiving of people who aren't with us yet because everyone's on a journey.
And I get this a lot from people who are further along than I am.
They're like, you're not quite here on this yet.
But we've got to all bring people with us.
If you turn people away, you're actually rejecting soldiers for the fight.
Yeah, I, I, and again, the pastor does.
I've often.
Soldiers, but not generals.
Right.
I feel like that's part of Trump's problem.
It's not that he's a jerk.
I think he's actually far too kind.
He's actually not too slow, but too quick to forgive.
And it's one thing to forgive and to invite, but it's another to forgive, invite, and immediately appoint in high positions of leadership somebody who was your enemy 15 minutes prior.
That's, you know, or just because they're beautiful women.
So it's come, join the team, but you don't get to be a star player.
You don't get to be the quarterback.
So I think that pastors also struggle with this reality of shouldn't you be just talking about the gospel?
Shouldn't you not be talking about these issues?
And at some degree, I go, well, talking about strictly theological doctrines and sticking mostly to the historic Christian faith, I think, again, is a privilege of a victorious civilization.
Yeah.
When you have great godly politicians, I don't need to worry about the state because I know I have good godly men from my church in those positions.
And I can sit and have more conversations around some of the deeper theological dimensions of the gospel.
One of my favorite books is Political Sermons of the American Founding Era.
It's a two volume set and it shows these pastors that are willing to speak and having to speak on these political engagements of the day.
And I think as Christians, we need to realize that this is a moment for us that we don't have many Christian politicians.
We don't have many Christian voices in the public square.
And so, if we're not here, where are the flock going to go?
For me, it's simpler than that.
Like the gospel is salvation.
You can't speak on salvation unless people know what they're being saved from.
People don't know what sin is anymore.
So, we have to talk about transgenderism.
We have to talk about abortion.
We have to talk about mass migration and replacement because people don't know what's good and evil anymore.
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So, we can't say, Jesus Christ came to save you.
Save me from what?
He loves me as I am.
He affirms me in my sinful ways.
Yep.
Yeah.
And we have a duty to be on, again, why I argue why pastors, why leaders must be on social media is because if we're not there as Christian men, where are the Christians going to go?
They're going to turn to Ben Shapiro.
They're going to turn to Jordan Peterson.
They're going to turn to these secular or non Christian voices for Christian answers.
And, but then if you have Christians that are saying, oh, you shouldn't be talking about these things, well, where are you going to go in order to hear the answers?
The Christian answers, the biblical answers.
So we do.
We need Christian ministers in that fight.
By the way, whatever Ben Shapiro is using on his eyebrows, I want some for my mustache.
Fair.
Yeah, there has to be a voice.
One of the critiques that I'll get sometimes is, you know, but why did you rebuke that person, you know, as harshly as you did, or this, that, or the other?
Just one piece of free advice.
Conviction that I've come to is that social media is the equivalent of the public square today.
And, you know, people often they'll say, okay, I recognize that Jesus had sharp rhetoric that he reserved for elites and leaders.
Like he's, you know, speak to the Pharisees in a certain manner.
You're children of your father, the devil.
He was a liar since the beginning, murderer since the beginning.
When he lies, he speaks his native tongue.
You're a chip off the old block.
You bear a.
A striking resemblance to your father, the devil, or your whitewashed tombs, right?
You're pretty and bleached on the outside, but the inside smells like death.
There's a rotting corpse, or you travel land and sea, half the world to make a proselyte.
And when you do, you make him twice the son of the devil that you are.
All these different things, you brood of vipers, multiple different examples.
And I'm just starting with the greater to the lesser so that I don't have to.
Obviously, Elijah did the same thing.
Many of the prophets did the same thing, but Jesus being the supreme example.
But what I'll get the critique is yes, I recognize the serrated edge, the sharp point in rhetoric, even a biblical category for mocking at times.
But Jesus reserved this type of rhetoric for leaders.
And I see you doing it on social media.
And my counter to that is that if a woman is spouting nonsense and things that ultimately.
Are deceitful and subversive and destructive to Western civilization and the church in particular.
And she has 80,000 followers, and she's a leader.
You know, people would say, but what biblical example do you have of, you know, Jesus using this kind of language towards a woman?
And I would simply respond and say, what biblical example do you have of a woman who had 80,000 followers?
In the day of Jesus, I think discernment comes into it.
This is something I've been working on lately.
There are sometimes we need to publicly rebuke public heresy, error, or sin, right?
But sometimes we need to privately rebuke it.
Yes, that finding that balance is hard.
You know, just last week, there was a lot of evangelicals in the White House praying over the president, all of them Zionists, all of them in liberal or some form of liberal theology.
And the outrage on social media was like, these people are heretics, you know.
Burn in hell, kind of get them out.
Whereas I'm like, okay, well, we have a White House faith office for the first time in this country's history.
That's a good thing.
The president's hearing Jesus Christ's name every single day.
That's a good thing.
And through not having a hostile relationship, I was able to speak directly with the head of the faith office and say, could you perhaps make sure there's a Catholic involved in the prayer with the president next time?
Maybe Bishop Strickland, you know, someone who's orthodox, who's sound, who's not going to be wet and weak and feeble.
And her response was, actually, that's, you know, a good response.
And, uh, We're not against Catholicism.
We'll try and add some of that balance to it.
So we're able to make positive changes sometimes with honey over, or the carrot over the stick, but it's a discernment thing.
Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, it requires discernment.
Yeah, but my point is just to say that if somebody has thrown their hat in the ring in terms of public influence, then they do qualify as a leader.
That may not mean that in every case that you use, Satire and mockery and those kinds of things.
But my point is to say that because of just the unique nature of social media, there really is no longer the category of, you know, well, you're publicly using sharp rhetoric against a nobody.
Like, okay, I mean, if the person has 17 followers or something, then that might fit.
But in the case of, you know, well, this person is not a leader, they're not holding religious office or civil office, you know, and It's just a poor sweet woman, okay.
But if she has 250,000 followers, she has asserted herself into a position of public influence.
You may or may not choose to use certain rhetoric.
But in terms of the principle of whether or not it's allowed, it is allowed.
It is what you're saying.
Well, if she's also inserted herself into a masculine space and put a dagger in her hand and she's out there slicing people, including you, you go, well, I have a woman out here who's now a leader, who's now slicing at me, who's now.
Hurting my reputation or lying or sinning about my particular positions.
And I might, by grace, because a godly man would just not say anything for a bit.
But if it continues on and it continues on, and every few comments this happens, and then there's a retweet and there's a repost and there's another slandering, another slander.
At some point, again, it's selective outrage.
At some point, if you go back up to this woman and you go, you know, you push back with a rebuke, a harsh rebuke.
Everybody gets frustrated about that harsh rebuke when they don't get frustrated about the fact that a woman is in the battle of the public space fighting with men, calling pastors and older men heretics.
Yeah.
But I think as men, we try to point out why that is a bad example of that female being in that position rather than attacking the female, the woman herself.
As men, we don't want to be attacking women, but we do want to point out why they shouldn't be in that position or why they're making mistakes.
Yeah.
So for me, it depends.
Okay.
I think that there is a context for a prophet.
Directly speaking to Jezebel and calling her publicly what she is.
So, if a woman is going to behave as Jezebel publicly in a man's space, then I think that she can get the Jezebel treatment.
Again, I think you have the prerogative.
There are times where honey may do more than vinegar.
Or, you know, I think of the Apostle Paul as he's being, you know, followed incessantly for three days by this slave girl.
Who's constantly, you know, trying to sabotage his ministry.
And eventually, you know, he has it and he stands and turns around and rebukes the demon.
And, you know, and then immediately, you know, it's not her or the demon that is blamed, but Paul, you know.
And, you know, that'll preach.
You know, why is he blamed?
For economic reasons.
He disrupted their capitalist pursuit of using the demon as a soothsayer in order to predict the.
The future and make a profit.
And, you know, women being involved in social media is incredibly profitable.
And so to turn to, you know, the incessant demon possessed woman who's been following you for three days or, you know, in some cases three years, shouting at you and distracting from your ministry and turning people against you, and to turn and say, demon, silence, you know, you'll be surprised often by, you know, The people who get upset, many of them are not upset out of some feigned chivalry because it's a woman that you've just criticized,
but they're actually the profiteers who were benefiting off of, you know, and you just disrupted their commerce.
You just said that women shouldn't be on social media.
Are you kidding me?
Do you know how many billions of dollars you're threatening right now?
Yeah.
And I think that it doesn't mean that, yeah, we don't have the correct rhetoric around how to talk to women.
That's the average Christian woman that's on social media that maybe asked a question with a little bit of a bite.
You go, hey, well, let me give you an honest answer here.
Let me try to win you through this question.
If it was an honest question, you know, you have the honest and dishonest skeptics.
Yeah.
But it's usually bad faith.
Yeah, it's usually bad faith.
But I try to be, if I can, more patient with women than I am with men, certainly.
And I think that's a Christian virtue.
But again, we are talking about the public square and we're in a fight for ideological, theological warfare.
And it's not the place in most circumstances for women to be out there.
We don't see it in the scriptures.
We don't see it throughout history.
And all of a sudden, we see it in mass now.
True.
Yeah, it's difficult.
But you're right, Calvin.
It's case by case.
And each individual reserves the prerogative of exercising discernment.
Is this a honey situation or a vinegar?
Yeah.
The only reason I bring it up is I'm worried that the red pilled army are becoming anti women rather than pro masculinity.
And there is a very thin line there that we're treading.
You're right.
Yeah, you're right.
I mean, there are plenty of men today that really just hate women.
There's a difference, like we said previously, between being a sexist, which I wholeheartedly support, and being a true misogynist that actually hates or despises women.
We want to take women's votes away because we love women and we love our society and we want to be providing and protecting for women, not because we hate them.
That distinction is important for a lot of people.
Right.
It's because we love women and we know that when women can vote, They vote for being raped.
Yeah.
Well, they also, and they're easily manipulated by evil men.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so it's our duty to protect them by eliminating the opportunity to vote.
You want to get to my wife, you have to go through me.
And you're not going to get her emotions manipulated.
You're going to have to manipulate my emotions.
And I'm less likely to be manipulated.
And that's the threat is that they can't control men the way they can control women, which is the reason why they want the women vote.
So, practical solutions.
Men have to lead the way.
Men need to get involved.
Social media is not the end, but it's a means.
It's one of the places where men can be proactive, actually standing in the public square, exercising courage, speaking out.
They'll have to do it without permission.
They're going to have to be willing to be active despite criticism and certain slander and accusations.
They can't, men can't lead with the condition of women's permission.
And all men must lead.
Either you're standing or running for office, or you're getting married and having children, or you're becoming a priest or a minister.
Those are the options.
Right.
And if a man is attempting to lead women, but only when women give him permission, then he's not really a leader.
So doing these things, being willing to be criticized, finding your place in the Overton window.
If you're a minister, then you don't really have the luxury of being a specialist.
Wherever we're being currently attacked, wherever the church finds opposition, then you have to be willing to mount a defense.
As a pastor, there's a sense of being a generalist.
And so you're going to have to fight on multiple fronts, which will make you less of a populist figure, but perhaps a vanguard, a thought leader that can be referenced by others who come and bring up the rear.
If you're a politician, it may be permissible for a time to pick one issue, knowing that there are many others that matter.
For instance, for the longest time, we've had single issue voters and some single issue politicians.
They weren't necessarily elected, but at least ran on ending abortion.
And I think that we have entered an era where I think it would be from a Christian perspective.
Standpoint permissible for someone in the realm of politics to be a single issue politician on the issue of immigration.
And it doesn't mean that he doesn't care about abortion or that he doesn't care about, you know, same sex marriage being an affront, an abomination.
But I think the politician has a certain prerogative that the pastor does not.
He actually can choose, like William Wilberforce, you know, he gave his life for one issue.
I'm sure there were other issues that.
That he also thought were important, but he dedicated himself to dying on one singular hill.
And I think that the politician has that available to him in a way that the pastor does not.
We need more Christian politicians.
I guess that's what I'm building up to is I think ultimately things change not necessarily because of the masses, but because of the elite.
Men should pursue elite status.
Not every man can be.
God hasn't gifted everyone in that way.
Every man will be a leader, whether it be in his home or Whatever, what have you.
But men who are particularly intelligent and gifted and have, you know, a unique set of resources and skills and those things, I think, should in this day and age aspire towards being an aristocrat, you know, being an elite, being influential.
And that means often putting your head down and hiding your power levels for a season in order to be credentialed, going and getting, you know, the credentials, knowing.
That you are to the right of that particular institution.
And so playing ball, playing the long game, and then fighting on one issue, even though the truth is maybe there's 17 different issues that you hold dear.
I think being shrewd, being wise, being strategic, I think that's the way that change occurs.
It occurs from a well organized minority that's highly gifted, highly intelligent.
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And shrewd.
I think the strategy there of being okay with it's not going to be easy.
It's going to be hard.
It's not complex.
It's not difficult to comprehend.
It might be difficult to swallow.
It's hard work.
But we do.
I would love for Christian.
And I think the only reason we are seeing some pastors step into the political sphere at such a degree.
I mean, we even have Dusty Devers, and it's kind of holding a two office situation with being a pastor and being a senator.
Yeah.
It's because of a lack of men stepping in.
And so we do.
We need.
That right there, Dusty Devers is a great example.
Like, I would never counter that.
It's like the sons of Issachar, they knew the times and what Israel ought to do.
I would say that that is something that's permissible in a timely fashion.
Yeah.
I am Johnny Considera standing in the next general election, Great Britain, because someone needs to.
Right.
We've got to take our country back.
So it's in the timely sense, permissible.
In the timeless sense, less than ideal.
Yeah.
In a timeless sense, we would love to see.
Ministers strictly as ministers, Christian princes strictly, you know, but in a moment of, you know, desperate times, call for desperate measures.