NRX Livestream - The Gayest Place On Earth critiques Israel's upcoming Pride event near Sodom, claiming it exports sexual degeneracy and abortion while harboring pedophiles. Hosts argue white evangelicals are bewitched by Zionist ideology, supporting figures like Lindsey Graham despite opposing same-sex marriage, whereas the "America First" movement rejects both Jewish influence and moral decay. The discussion concludes that true Christian righteousness requires rejecting both the perceived source of immorality and its fruits to receive God's blessing. [Automatically generated summary]
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Parental Warning Required00:12:29
All right, here we go right out of the gate.
I want to give a parental warning.
If you are listening to this episode with young children, then I advise you listen to it on your own another time.
Here we go.
The gayest place on earth that is the nation state of Israel.
They are hosting one of the largest gay pride events that has ever been hosted right near the location of ancient Sodom that was destroyed by God with hellfire and brimstone out of heaven.
For the sin of sodomy.
It's a bit ironic, I admit, but not too far for Israel.
This is a group of people that is kind of incapable of blushing.
And so, a high handed wickedness is what they are planning to engage in against the Lord God Almighty.
Will God run it back?
I don't know.
That's up to Him, not up to us.
But we're going to be talking about the details of this event and really just Israel in general and the position or disposition that.
This nation has had when it comes to homosexuality, when it comes to harboring pedophiles, when it comes to abortion, which has been called by some Jews a Jewish sacrament.
It's actually a religious virtue.
If you come against abortion, then you're coming against Jews.
That's kind of their own words and not really mine.
So that's what we're going to be discussing in this episode.
Stay tuned, get ready.
It's going to be a doozy.
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Joel Webbin.
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All right, we're back.
Well, Joel, as you alluded to, the irony is almost too thick for words here.
They're holding it at this Pride parade that's happening June 1st through 4th.
Again, put on the public official account of the Israeli Ministry of Public Affairs.
This is not a one off.
We unfortunately have it here in the States.
There will be an advocacy group, not at all associated with the government, not even associated with the city.
They'll just pop up and say, hey, we have the freedom to hold a Pride event and we're going to go ahead and do it.
That's not what's going on here.
You have the official account, the official Department of Israeli Foreign Affairs.
Officially endorsing and saying, Get in, it's happening.
You kind of have the war.
We've had the war, and that's great.
Yes, we've got to get back to the main event.
There's one survey 3% of Israel's population identifies as truly homosexual, but other surveys have shown that the younger demographics of Israel, up to one in three, could be bisexual.
This is a sexually licentious nation, a sexually licentious country.
And so they've said, We've had the war, we went ahead, we glassed some brown people, but we've got to get back to it.
And they're holding it, as we alluded to, and the South.
Part of the Dead Sea.
Now, if you look at this map, you have the Dead Sea.
Lindsey Graham will be there.
Laura Bloomer is going to be there.
Mark Levin is going to be there.
They tried to get Wesley Todd to host it, he wasn't available.
So, right here in the Dead Sea, there's been a number of attempts to actually find the exact location of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Some of you may remember about two years ago, and I want to help you so you don't cite this at a party and then you could look that kind of silly because you're wrong.
A couple years ago, a paper came out where it identified a potential location in the north of the Dead Sea where it seemed as if an actual airburst that occurred in the sky.
Destroyed a city.
Unfortunately, the authors rescinded their claims.
That was one of the likely candidates for where Sodom and Gomorrah was historically.
Again, this is the city in the Bible that God destroyed for the sin of sodomy.
It's why we have the terms sodomy, sodomite today, deriving from those towns in the Old Testament that were known for this sin.
So, a long time ago, a couple years ago, there was a thought maybe it's in the north.
We've gone back to the primary hypothesis, which is that Sodom and Gomorrah were in the south of the Dead Sea.
And so these historical cities were there.
God destroyed them.
There's civilizations where we can look at the walls, we can look at the structures that remain.
And we could actually see that they were destroyed by fire.
Again, there's a couple of different candidates we're not going to come on and pin down and say it for sure happened here.
But here's the point geographically, you're probably within 50 miles of where this town originally stood and where all the way thousands of years later, Israel said, you know what?
They might have been on to something.
I want to go to Antonio.
Tell us about the salt structures that are there because this is fascinating.
Yeah, so I was, I mean, I've heard about the Dead Sea.
I mean, the most common idea that people are aware of is that it's, well, one, the lowest place on earth, but also that it's, uh, Salt concentration of the water there is such that the average human, unless you're me, and you're just too heavy, the average human can actually float in the Dead Sea.
And so, but what the highest salt concentration next to those who trusted the plan when Trump went to war with Iran?
It's like the tears that were coming out, the concentration of salt in those.
Yeah, but in any case, what you actually have this unique natural phenomenon in the Dead Sea where you actually get salt formations both in the water but also along the shore, if you will.
And some of them remarkably look like people.
I was just showing Joel before we got on the live.
And yeah, it's just interesting in terms of, I suppose, all of the events coming together with this festival that they're having, in terms of just the biblical nature of it, in terms of the degeneracy that's being brought in that particular place.
And then, of course, thinking about biblical history, what God has already done to those who are just as debased as the people who will gather there this June.
It's all really interesting.
Yeah, it does raise a question.
There's a dramatic irony.
You name these events Pride, which I mean, there's whole hours that could be spent discussing.
You're naming an event celebrating sin, pride.
One of these seven deadly sins.
It's not joy or it's not just let us do our thing.
Pride, we're proud.
And yet they're doing it at the literal geographic lowest place on earth that's not underwater.
Underwater, it's obviously the Marina Trench and the Pacific Ocean.
But the lowest geographical place on earth is the Dead Sea.
You could not find somewhere else that's literally physically lower on earth to hold a pride event.
And pride has this idea of ascension, of being raised, of being above everything else.
So they're claiming pride.
They're claiming pride.
We're happy about what we're doing.
What we're doing is awesome.
It should be seen by everyone.
Yet they can't help themselves in that.
The location they're holding it is literally the lowest on earth.
There's a passage in Isaiah chapter 2 where God promises in his judgment, I'm going to bring low the proud.
That's what man does in his rebellion.
That's what Satan did.
I'm proud.
I'm like God.
I'll make the calls.
I have nothing to be ashamed of.
And God's like, just you watch.
My mountain and my people will be established.
But to you who lift yourself up above everyone else, I will bring you down and I will bring you down low.
And for those celebrating, unless they repent of their sin in turn, This festival at the lowest place on earth potentially will be the highest they'll ever be in their existence.
Yeah, it's just so barren too.
I think it's worth noting.
It's a desert, it's desolate.
If you even look at pictures, you're just like, man, this is not a place I'd want to spend a Saturday afternoon.
I'd have to be a year old.
I'm sure the temperature there is moderate.
No, it's probably hot as hell.
Yeah, in more ways than one.
Right, yeah.
So it's all, but I also just find it very interesting this notion of pride, and you're holding this, reading articles about this event, and also Tel Aviv Pride, which is the largest gay pride.
Parade in, or festival, parade, whatever you want to call it, in the world.
I think over 250,000 people, all gay, joined together in Tel Aviv to fight the system and to demonstrate we want rights and we're going to.
And it's like.
We're so oppressed.
I watched this clip of a guy they had interviewed there at the festival and he said something to the effect of we have to fight back against this government.
We don't really like this far right government in Israel.
And I'm just like, oh my goodness.
You have 250,000 people gathered in the capital city.
I don't think you're that oppressed.
And so this has kind of been their shtick for decades and decades and decades.
It's like where there is no opposition, where there really fundamentally is no opposition to their lifestyle and their worldview, they gather and want to pretend as if they're lowly and as this is this demonstration of courage when it's really not.
It's just degeneracy.
I mean, you look at some of the events that are occurring there, for one, it's like largely at night, and they make a point to, oh, it's the temperature.
It's just so hot there.
We're going to have all these events.
That go basically into the morning of the following day.
And they're all adult parties.
There's men's only parties.
It really is just terrible.
I'm kind of upset that I even had to read what's going to be happening.
But this festival, which is so that's Tel Aviv, Gay Parade Parade, 250,000 people.
I think it's like a week long thing.
This is something that's actually distinct from it, although they view it, the organizers of this festival have viewed it kind of as a what do you want to call it an extension or, hey, we want to.
Take it even further.
An overflow, if you like.
An overflow, yeah.
And so, all this to say Israel, they love the gays.
They love the gays.
It's very clear.
The nation state of Israel loves the gays, even with a quote unquote far right government.
These people are celebrated, they're championed.
The city's nearly closed down because of these kinds of events that happen.
They get the permitting.
No one's really pushing back there.
It's ironic because with pride and with lust, enough is never enough.
It's like, well, yes, we're protected by law, and yes, we can shut the city down to have this.
But you always want more.
There's lots of different studies.
The pairing that actually divorces the least, but also has the most infidelity, is gay men.
And the least is lesbian women.
And right in the middle, you have heterosexuals.
And that's because men, it's never enough.
They're never satisfied.
And so within five years, there was one study, it was back in the 80s.
Every single gay marriage surveyed had opened the marriage up to other men.
It was like, yes, I have a spouse.
And yes, I'm allowed to marry them or allowed to be partners with them.
And yes, society doesn't really judge me, but it's just not enough.
There's not enough thrill.
There's not enough exhilaration.
So they introduce other parties into it.
There's also a phenomenon in the gay community called.
Bug chasing, where they'll ask men who are HIV positive to have sex with them to give them HIV because why?
The thrill, the exhilaration, the perversity is never enough.
So, in every realm, whether it's the acts themselves, the sodomy, like, oh, we're never satisfied there.
And then, even when it comes to the rights, like, yes, we have rights, and yes, we can marry.
We'll get into this in a little bit.
We can even adopt children, but we need that paid for.
We need transgender surgeries paid for.
This needs to be on the taxpayer dime.
We need to have statutes set up for us, we need to have months for us.
How many months now and days?
I swear, a third of the calendar, it seems like, is dedicated to bisexual day, to gay and lesbian day, to transgender day, to coming out day.
So you're going to have your high and holy days for real religions, or you're going to dedicate a third of your month to faggots.
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Sodom and Sexual Degeneracy00:15:22
The month of June, we do that here in the U.S. That's celebrated in other degenerate countries like Israel.
It's worth noting, though, that when it comes to the nation state of Israel, when you think of countries and their exports, what is it that they mass produce and that they actually spread out into the world, other nations surrounding them?
Homosexuality and sexual degeneracy is one of the number one exports of Israel, when you really think about it.
We, the United States of America, are a very gay nation.
We are.
And so we need to look in the mirror and acknowledge our own sin, our own pride before God, what we have allowed, what we tolerate, our high handed, flagrant sin.
And God detests it.
The sexual revolution here in America and everything that has come from it, all the implications abortion is downstream of the sexual revolution.
People wanted to be sexually liberated, right, from the confines of the covenant of marriage and be able to.
Engage in whatever kind of sexual fantasy they could possibly imagine.
And the cost of that is 70 million dead babies in their mother's womb just over the last half century.
And that's just the number that we're aware of.
That doesn't even begin to account for all the abortions that have been caused by pills and things like that.
That's primarily just counting for the abortions that were actually a procedure, a murder in an abortion mill.
So, abortion is downstream of the sexual revolution.
AIDS is downstream of the sexual revolution.
A whole host of sexual diseases on top of AIDS downstream from the sexual revolution.
Economic turmoil.
Equal to men, and in order to be exactly equal in every single realm, including the workplace, they didn't just have to be equal to men, they have to somehow achieve being the same as men.
And one of the characteristics of men that's kind of a no brainer, biologically speaking, is that men don't have to take off months and months because of pregnancy and childbirth and nursing and those kinds of things.
So, for a woman to really be equal to a man, she must become a man functionally for all intents and purposes.
And one of those things means that she needs to be able To be fruitless, to not get pregnant.
And if she does get pregnant, she needs to be able to end that pregnancy.
So, you know, and then what does that mean for wages?
And what did that mean for Fortune 500 companies and employers?
It meant that they could start, you know, beginning to pay less because now with each household, we don't just have one employee, the husband, coming to work for our corporation, but we can expect and assume that his wife will work for us also.
And so, Instead of giving one living wage to one household, one individual representing that household, we're going to give half or two thirds of a wage, and it's going to require two people from each household to work just in order to be able to own a home and pay the mortgage.
And even then, who are we kidding?
They still probably won't be able to afford to do it.
So there are economic consequences.
There's abortion and murder.
There's all the sexual diseases, all these things in the name of free love, all these things in the name of the sexual revolution.
But my point is as bad as America is, On that front, it is very, very easy to connect the dots and draw the correlation and say that the sexual revolution that took place here in many, many ways in the 60s was exported by Israel.
That is to say, by Jews, Jewish influence behind the transgender movement, behind the LGBTQ.
Harvey Milk, who pioneered gay rights in the United States, was a Jewish man from San Francisco.
Yes, abortion, all these different things.
Have been pushed.
That's not to say that all Jews are involved in it.
I've said this before, I'll say it again because it's true.
It is not all Jews, but it's always Jews.
It's not all Jews, but it's always Jews.
What do I mean by that?
I mean that every terrible ism that you can possibly think of had disproportionately, there were white people, you know, European descendants involved, and there might have been some Hispanics or some Latinos or this, that, or the other.
But at the end of the day, there are always Jews involved on the front lines pushing.
That degeneracy, whatever we're talking about, that ism, whether it's communism or Marxism or whether it's transgenderism or it's, you know, that ism that has been destructive for society always has Jews involved, not exclusively Jews, not only Jews and not all Jews, but it always has Jews involved and disproportionately so.
For Jews making up such a small percentage of the overall human population, they are always, always overrepresented.
Behind every destructive movement that society has experienced in our modern times.
And to be fair, throughout various times in history, that has been the case in ancient times as well, but certainly in our modern era.
So, all that being said, Israel, when you think of what they contribute to the world, what is it that they bring to the table?
Lord knows that the relationship that our country has with Israel is not a two way street in terms of, well, we give to them X, Y, and Z, and they give back to us this other thing, and it's this.
Tomato tomato, you know, give and take relationship where both parties benefit.
No, it is a one way street.
It always has been.
So, what is it that's actually exported from Israel that Jewish people are really bringing to Western countries, first world countries?
And in large part, it is sexual degeneracy.
That is, in large part, one of the primary exports.
You could also argue that wars in the Middle East would be a primary export as well, starting wars.
But sexual degeneracy is a big one.
Real quick, I wanted to mention in the case of Sodom, when we look at actual biblical text and we look at the Old Testament and what was going on at that time, this is a city where Lot, the nephew of Abraham, had settled.
Their houses became so enlarged, blessed by God between offspring and between servants and all these things that the house of Abraham and the house of Lot and everyone that they represented.
It was just, it was too much.
And not just their houses, but all their resources, primarily their livestock, the animals that they each possessed, were so many that they could no longer share the same plot of land.
They couldn't graze on the same fields.
And so they recognized that we're going to have to split up geographically.
We'll still be in the same general vicinity, but you need to go and settle one place, and I'll go and settle another.
And so Abraham lets Lot choose.
Which area does he want to settle?
And so Lot chooses the area that contained within it or in close vicinity the city of Sodom.
And it was known to Lot and Abraham at that time before this choice was made that Sodom was not a righteous city, it was a wicked city.
But Lot chose that area regardless.
And so he goes and settles there, and he and his wife and their family live among the people of Sodom.
And the New Testament authors actually speak of Lot and say that day by day there's a sense in which he regretted the decision.
It says that righteous Lot, day by day, was tormented in his righteous soul because of the heinous deeds that were performed in Sodom.
He's surrounded by degenerate people.
And even though Lot himself was certainly not a perfect man, what he ends up doing with his daughters is far from perfect.
So you can read the story on that.
But Lot is not a perfect man.
And he made this choice, which really does represent a significant degree of compromise.
So he's only in this situation in the first place.
Because he is not a perfect man.
And yet the New Testament still describes him as righteous Lot.
And in large part, it's due to his righteousness by comparison to all the people that are surrounding him, these people in Sodom.
And so Lot sets up camp in Sodom, and that becomes his home.
These become his family's neighbors, and he's living there for a prolonged period of time, and he is regretting the decision and tormented in his soul by all the wickedness that he sees around him.
And eventually, He's visited by angels who bring news.
They're warning him that God has seen the wickedness of Sodom.
He's going to destroy the city, and Lot and his family need to get out of Dodge before the fireworks begin.
That is the fire and brimstone from heaven.
And when these angels come to warn Lot, the men of Sodom see the angels taken into Lot's home.
He exercises hospitality, welcomes them into his home to stay with him.
And the men of the city start trying to physically break down Lot's door, demanding that he.
Hand over to them these angelic men, they're angels, but they look like men, that he open up the door and give to the men of Sodom these angels so that they can sodomize them, so that they can have sex with them.
And Lot refuses and actually offers his daughters as a substitute.
And from what we can tell, the men of the city don't take him up on that deal, not because they're righteous or because they have morals, but because they just want to sleep with the angels instead.
And so Lot.
Even offering up his daughters.
There's arguments to be made of why he did that, and maybe it was strategic, knowing that they want to take his offer, that it was a bluff in order to make time so that the angels could escape.
And then there's also arguments to be said no, this is just a further depiction of the character of Lot, that although the New Testament describes him as righteous, and that's objectively true in its own right, it's only by comparison with how degenerate and wicked the city of Sodom is by comparison.
The point is this Sodom was a city that was grotesque.
It was a people that were grotesque, and God hated it.
God absolutely hated it.
And eventually, God, who is long suffering and slow to anger, abundant in his patience, in his tolerance, in his mercy, God eventually, God is tolerant.
We can say that of God.
But the Bible is clear that God is not eternally tolerant.
God is willing to wait, oftentimes, much longer than we are.
God, who is far more holy than we are, still, oftentimes, is more patient than we are.
And that's an indictment as well.
It's not as though God is more tolerant because he has lower standards.
God is holy, holy, holy.
His standards are infinitely higher, his moral standards than ours.
And yet at the same time, while having higher moral standards, he also happens to be more patient and kind.
But God being tolerant, although objectively true in the description of the character of God, nowhere in the Bible does it ever say that God is eternally tolerant.
In fact, the Bible is explicit in saying the opposite that God will never be.
Never will he pardon the wicked indefinitely.
Eventually, sin is atoned for.
It's either atoned for by the individual, the sinner, the offender against God's holy law themselves by eternal death under the wrath of God in hell, or it was atoned for in the case of the elect by Jesus Christ dying and bleeding out on the cross under God's wrath as a substitute for sinners who have faith in him.
But one way or the other, God never turns a blind eye to sin.
He never sweeps sin under the rug.
It eventually is not just.
Acknowledged or called out, it's eventually punished.
It is eventually punished.
And for us to think that we can not only allow, make it permissible, but even promote, right?
America does this.
Israel certainly does this.
For nations to think that they can promote degrees of sexual perversion that are so high handed and flagrant as a pride parade.
In the general vicinity of Sodom that God destroyed and the lowest place on earth, to think that we can do that, to think that any nation can do that and that God would turn a blind eye.
Again, he's exceedingly patient.
And so he may be more tolerant than we would be, but he is not eternally tolerant.
He will not turn a blind eye forever.
And so this is really in many ways, I think of Jesus and what he said when he's tempted in the wilderness by Satan.
One of the temptations, Satan says, Take yourself up to a high place.
To the high temple and throw yourself off in this busy, crowded area, and the angels of the Lord, God will send his angels to catch you up so that your foot does not strike the ground.
And it seems by way of implication, what Satan is saying in this crowded area, all the people will see that.
They'll recognize it as a supernatural sign that your message is true.
So it's instant gratification in terms of being validated, verified.
For all those who are calling you a liar, this is a way to stick it to them and defend yourself.
And vindicate yourself.
But Jesus responds by quoting the scripture and says, It is written, 'You shall not put the Lord your God to the test.' This is putting God to the test for the nation of Israel, who claims to be God's chosen people in the Holy Land, in the same general vicinity of Sodom, in the lowest place on earth, next to the Dead Sea, where pillars of salt are naturally formed.
Thinking of Lot's wife, who turned into a pillar of salt because of her disobedience, her love, and nostalgia for a wicked place rather than wanting to follow God into righteousness, to host something like this, where gay sex is celebrated, where it's waved around and promoted as though it's some kind of virtue, is quite literally to put God to the test.
Will God run it back?
Like he did with Sodom?
I don't know.
Who's to say?
But he would be well within his rights to do so.
And this is just one more example where it's like, why?
Cognitive Dissonance Explained00:06:20
Why on earth would a Christian nation?
I know why Israel does it, right?
Because they're not a Christian nation.
And when you think, well, what is Judaism really?
Well, most of the people in Israel, most Israelis, are not practicing, religiously practicing Jews, they're secular.
But secularism in many ways is Jewish.
It is a Jewish product.
This kind of high handed, flagrant sexual perversion is Jewish.
It is just simply another ripple effect from the core, the root, which is a rejection of the Messiah, rejection of Jesus Christ.
But why are we here in America partnering with such degeneracy?
We have no excuse.
We actually were founded as a Christian nation.
And we have many Christians still currently living in our nation, and yet we give credence to such things.
We celebrate these things in our own country, and we claim to support, and we do support with our tax dollars and with our own sons and daughters bleeding out in the Middle East, in the middle of the desert to fight another war for Israel.
We are supporting one of the most wicked, perverse nations in the world.
Not only do they celebrate Pride Parade and things like this, but if somebody is a pedophile, And they're trying to get away with their crime and find safe haven.
Israel is a number one country in the world where they'll go and where they'll be offered protection.
This is provable.
You can look it up in terms of per capita.
There are more protected pedophiles allowed to live freely in the nation state of Israel than any other country in the world.
Why are we taking part?
The Bible says very clearly what fellowship does light have with darkness?
What partnership does Christ have with Beelzebub?
What are we doing?
The scripture in Ephesians says, Take no part in the works of sin, lawlessness that are performed in the darkness, but rather expose it.
Expose it.
Call it out.
Separate yourself from it.
Be consecrated.
Have nothing to do with it.
And yet, here we are, America, continuing to prop up the nation state of Israel, despite its hostility towards other nations, instigating wars, despite its sexual perversion, despite its.
Its influence in Western Christian nations pushing for transgenderism, pushing for abortion, pushing for degenerate filth in all of our entertainment and media.
This is absurd.
It's absolutely absurd.
And the final thing that I'll leave it with is this it'd be one thing if it was just the government of the United States that chose to befriend Israel and come to their every beckoning call.
But the only reason our government is able to do that is because they are elected by the people.
And the number one voting block that elects Republicans that tend to be Zionist and supporting Israel and its wickedness, that voting block primarily is evangelical Christians.
Evangelical Christians, on the one hand, it is true, it has been said, and rightly so.
Evangelical Christians are the lone bulwark, right?
Standing in the gap, holding back the moral insanity in America.
That's true.
Evangelicals, they vote against abortion.
They vote against same sex marriage, against these kinds of immoralities at a higher percentage than any other voting bloc, whether it be racial or whether it be religious.
White evangelicals, they vote conservatively on moral issues more than Catholics, more than anybody else, mainline Protestants, anybody else.
That's undeniable.
But the same group that takes such clear moral stands here in these United States of America, that is, white evangelicals, Also, happen to be the same group that are the most supportive of Israel, which is just crazy.
On the one hand, you have this voting block that says no.
We're saying no to sexual perversion.
We're saying no to same sex marriage.
We're saying no to abortion.
We're saying no to a mass invasion and porous borders and invaders from the third world.
We're saying no to all these things, but we're saying yes to Israel.
Yes, Israel.
Yes, we believe that Israel is our greatest ally.
Meanwhile, all the things that they vote against, things that I vote against that are immoral, clearly by biblical definition, those things are also provably most peddled and promulgated by Jews.
It makes absolutely no sense.
Yeah, the cognitive dissonance there is actually really puzzling.
But it's also kind of what we're trying to do, which is to say, I think if we're the most charitable outlook on the evangelical with respect to their position on Israel is that they believe that the modern nation state of Israel is a prophetic, it's a prophetic connection to present day, you know, present day Israel is a prophetic connection, I should say, to the Old Testament Israel, right?
That's this misunderstanding that I think facilitates this cognitive dissonance they have with all of the moral issues and the ways in which Israel sort of. Is on the opposite end of the spectrum on those issues, but they're able to look past it because of this theological error, is what we say.
So, whether it was the hyphenated heresy or a lot of the things that we talk about on this podcast, really what we're trying to do is educate, equip the average Christian to be able to go and say, look, this isn't what you think they are, it's actually the opposite of it.
They're not faithful.
They're in so many ways subverting American culture, Christian culture more broadly in the West.
Abuse Rates in Gay Community00:05:16
You had mentioned pedophilia.
I think you had alluded to the idea that.
Israel is actually one of the safe havens, if you will, for global pedophilia.
And that's absolutely true.
I want to get to that.
But I actually wanted to just go back to the original story, Pride Land.
So, one of the most harrowing things that you read about Pride Land is I'm actually referencing a Jerusalem Post article that was published about a week ago describing the event.
And it says the event intends to create an experience broader than parties or performances, instead, aiming for a space that is alive 24 hours a day with 15 hotels, beach complex, so on and so forth.
Alongside the nightlife, Pride Land will have cultural art complexes, relaxation, scenic areas, and family friendly areas with children's activities, family friendly workshops, and customized events.
And this is something that we have to press on here, which is to say the relationship that there is between homosexuals and that community more broadly and the relationship with pedophilia.
I just wanted to cite a source.
This is from Oregon State University, also triangulating with the National Institutes of Health.
This is from an article that was published in 2009 that says high rates of child.
Sexual abuse contributing factor in the spread of HIV.
And what it basically indicates is that individuals identifying as homosexuals report childhood sex abuse, sexual abuse, at rates significantly higher than those who identify as heterosexual.
Gay and bisexual men, in particular, research has found rates of approximately 20 to 46%.
One survey of 1,000 men in major US cities confirmed a rate of near 20%, noting that 80% of those abused reported severe experiences.
And so this is just laying in terms of statistically, in terms of data.
Almost at the upwards, and one in two gay men were sexually abused.
Now, you triangulate that with the data that we have with respect to how often someone who's sexually abused then goes on to abuse children.
This is from a study from the National Institutes of Health, but I'm also referencing a study as well that's titled Childhood Sexual Abuse, and it's significantly associated with subsequent sexual offending.
And what it found was that, in terms of estimates, studies' estimates that estimate that approximately 23%.
To 30% of child sexual abusers were themselves sexually abused as children.
You see what's happening here.
Gay men largely sexually abused as children.
Who's the most likely to sexually abuse children?
People who were sexually abused, i.e., what follows from that is that gay men are more likely to sexually abuse children than straight men, right?
And so then you have these advantages.
Well, that's how gay men reproduce.
Yeah.
So it's like, well, how does the percentage in America or in Israel of Of gay men continue to go up year after year after year?
And the answer is because they actually do have a reproductive channel.
They actually do have a mechanism for reproducing.
And it's not birth, natural birth, but it's conversion, which is such an irony because they've pushed for laws to make it illegal what they would call conversion therapy.
That is, talking to someone who's a homosexual, acknowledging that homosexuality is against God's will, and imploring them and trying to help.
Them to name it as a sin and to repent of it.
So that's illegal conversion.
But the only way anybody even becomes gay is by conversion.
It's this young boy.
Weird vampire like way of reproduction.
This young boy is, you know, he's sexually molested by some older man.
He becomes gay.
Then he gets, you know, married to some other, you know, homosexual man.
And then they adopt.
I believe it's in terms of adoption.
When gay men adopt, it's, I think, 82% of the time they always adopt baby boys.
All right.
Why is it always boys?
Well, we know why.
We know why it's always boys.
I'll never forget when the Gailey Wire used Jordan Peterson as their host, and he actually had a conversation with Dave Rubin.
It was right after Dave Rubin, or at least recently after he and his, you know, alleged husband had adopted two baby boys.
And the Gailey Wire, instead of saying this is atrocious and wrong, they actually hosted a conversation.
And Jordan Peterson said, let's get our most You know, credible intellectual on staff here to host the conversation to try to legitimize it.
And he's going to sit down and interview Dave Rubin about why this is horrendous and why it's immoral and why it's bad for the two boys that would, nope, about parenting.
And it was just this conversation about parenting, you know, in a homosexual marriage.
But here you have, you know, the Gailey Wire hosting a conversation like this as though it's legitimate.
And you have Dave Rubin and his, again, alleged husband adopting children and their little girls, nope.
Every single time, the little boys.
And the last thing that I'll say, and I'll ask just to verify it, but Dave Rubin, what ethnicity is he?
Rubin.
America's Christian Nation Myth00:14:13
Is that the German lowlands?
Oh, it's Jewish.
Oh, he's a Jew.
Yeah.
So, guys, he's conservative.
He's on the right.
That's why it's okay.
Here's the deal.
Look, every single Stein, we know this, every single Stein, it's not all Jews.
I do want to say it's not all Jews, because here's the deal the Christian gospel.
Is for Jew and Gentile, right?
One of the Bible verses that my children, you know, in our time of catechism and scriptural memory with our family worship every evening in the home, one of the verses that we're memorizing, the kids are doing a great job.
I've got five little ones, and even my second to youngest, the three year old, is able to now do this memory verse.
It's Romans chapter 1, verse 16.
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation.
To only certain ethnic groups, no, to all who believe, first for the Jew, and I don't think that's an order of priority.
God loves the Jews more, but first to the Jew and also to the Greek.
And some translations will say also to the Gentiles.
Greek right there is standing in as simply everyone else, those non Jews.
And in terms of first to the Jew, because it does say that explicitly in the text, I believe it's not talking about a logical order or an order of loves and priority, but simply the chronological order that the gospel went forth.
First to the Jews.
And some of them were saved.
Some of them believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.
I mean, the apostles, after all, you know, were Jewish and they loved Jesus.
They were imperfect men, as all men are, right?
The best of men are men at best.
Peter denied Jesus three times.
We won't speak of Judas, he doesn't really count.
He was the son of perdition.
And so he was chosen, selected Jesus, knowing that he was going to be the betrayer.
But all these other apostles, they're Jewish men and they're imperfect men, but they love Jesus.
And they write underneath the inspiration of the Holy Spirit the New Testament.
And they preach the gospel and plant churches.
And one of the largest churches was in Jerusalem.
Now, later, as they received such intense persecution from the religious leadership of the Jews there at that time, then eventually the kind of the focal point of early first century Christendom shifts from Jerusalem to Antioch, which has Jews there, certainly, but is more of a melting pot, if you will, which I don't really like that, but that's what it was.
It was a collective of.
There were Greeks, there were all different kinds of Gentile people in addition to Jews.
And in Antioch, even in the first century, part of the reason why that became a hub for Christianity in one of the largest churches is because they actually had some shape or form of religious freedom.
And so the Christians were able to practice fidelity to Christ and plant a very large church there without intense persecution, which they experienced immensely in Jerusalem.
So the presence of Jewish leadership in Jerusalem meant a lot of persecution.
But in Antioch, where the Jews weren't necessarily in charge, the Christians began to thrive.
But the point is this the gospel that Jesus preached and the life that he lived and the disciples that he instructed, it began first, not order of love or priority, but in terms of timing chronologically with the Jews.
So the gospel is the power of God unto salvation, not just to one group of people, but to all who believe, first chronologically speaking, to the Jew, and then to everyone else.
So it's not Always, or it is not all Jews.
I say all that to go back to that initial point I was making.
It is much of a problem as Jewish influence has been throughout the last 2,000 years of church history that we find here in our modern era in the West, in all these ways IDF soldiers lobbying to have rights to rape Palestinian prisoners and bashing in the head of Christ and icons simply.
Because they hate Jesus and literally can't help themselves, is much of an enemy of all mankind as Israel has proven to be.
And that's quoting for the record Scripture and Thessalonians enemies of all mankind.
As much as that is true, it is not all Jews because the gospel saves both Jew and Gentile.
And the apostles were Jews and they loved Jesus and they preached the message, and other Jews were converted.
Many rejected Christ and were judged harshly in the destruction of Jerusalem in the temple from Titus in AD 70.
But there were some Jews who converted, and still to this day, although many Jews hate Christ, there are Jews who convert to faith in Jesus and love Him, genuinely love Him, and repent of their sins.
So it's not all Jews, but there really is something to the saying that it's not all Jews, but it's always Jews.
If it's Gay men adopting baby boys.
Well, you got Dave Rubin right there on the front line.
If it's a conservative news outlet that's going to interview that gay man, well, it's going to be one that is owned by another Jew, Ben Shapiro.
Oh, shocking.
And there's a certain point where if you're not willing to say that, or even worse, you try to run cover for that reality and pretend as though that's not true at all, then people just don't believe you.
You lose credibility because everybody has eyes.
We can see.
We remember Matt Fratt from Pints with Aquinas, who now works at the Daily Wire, but we remember him interviewing Dennis Prager and talking about child, underage child pornography.
And Dennis Prager saying that pornography in general was permissible so long as you didn't in real life cheat on your spouse.
As long as you still loved your spouse and were using pornography in a supplemental fashion.
Then actually, it could be really good, not only permissible, but it actually might make you come to love your spouse even more.
Well, what about child pornography?
Ask Matt Fradd.
Well, child pornography, that would be wrong.
But if it's animated child pornography, they didn't use real children, if it's AI generated child pornography, then that's acceptable.
And Matt Fradd just has this look of horror on his face as Dennis Prager is giving this answer.
And he says, I think that that's disgusting.
I think that that's.
Horrendous, and Dennis Prager then spells out for him.
I appreciate the honesty of Dennis.
He says, Well, see, that's because you're a Christian, and I'm not, I'm a Jew.
We reject the New Testament, we don't believe that it's God's Word, and it's really only the teachings of Christ and the New Testament that say, Remember, Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount, he says, I, you know, I tell you that not only is adultery a sin, but any man who lusts after another woman in his heart has committed adultery.
Adultery in a real spiritual sense.
Well, that's Jesus.
Jews hate Jesus.
They reject Jesus.
And so the Jew is going to say, well, as long as I don't physically act on it, it's not a sin.
There's no such thing for Jews as sins of the heart.
When you say, yeah, but you might have done something that's permissible indeed, but your incentives and your motives were so blatantly, and even by your own admission, you said it out loud that your motives were.
Were wicked.
It was filled with pride or filled with greed or malice or sexual lust.
And Dennis Prager would, he'd be the first to tell you, well, that's not a sin.
And the mere thought that motives and, you know, heart immorality at the level of the heart, the mere thought that that would be actual sin is exclusively a Christian idea.
And Jews, we just, we just, we reject your premise.
To begin with.
And so that's who you're talking about.
And again, Dennis Prager is a champion on the right.
I mean, he mentored Charlie Kirk for a lot of his life.
He mentored Charlie Kirk.
And so my point is I'm citing now some of the best of Jews.
Another classic viral clip of Dennis Prager, another moment of honesty, is where he says every single ism that's destroyed the modern world has been pushed primarily by Jews, transgenderism, Marxism, communism.
And he admits it.
And I appreciate again his honesty.
He's recognizing, yeah, that's, you know, we kind of did that.
So, all Jews?
No.
Always Jews, every single Stein?
Yes, that's pretty undeniable.
And if you're not willing to admit that, then you're really just going to be ignored in the year of our Lord 2026.
People have seen too much.
They've done the reading.
They're aware and they can see right through you that you're being dishonest.
So the fact that this event, all of it back to our topic today, is taking place.
And it's taking place in Israel.
And Israel has selected a place right next to Sodom.
None of this is surprising.
But what should be surprising, what should be surprising is not that a nation that's literally founded on a rejection of Jesus Christ would commit such high handed sin against God.
What is astounding and shocking is that America, that's supposed to be a Christian nation, Would seemingly have no problem with it and continue to say that Israel is not only one of our allies, but our greatest ally.
And not only that, not just that America, but getting even more specific, that the particular voting bloc within America that is the most supportive of Israel is also the most conservative and Christian group in America, namely white evangelicals.
And at some point, White evangelicals, for you to stand against abortion, which is good and right and pleasing to the Lord, and mass immigration, which is good and right and pleasing to the Lord, and to stand against same sex marriage, which is good and right and pleasing to the Lord, but to be the one group in America that's constantly carving out exceptions for Israel, and the only reason that we still have a Zionist occupied government here in the United States is just, it's the most counterproductive,
tragically ironic thing that I could possibly think of.
It's like, it's like, Giving your whole life to stand against poison apples, but then in the same breath, the very tree that produces those poison apples to give your whole life also in defense of that tree.
Not only to say this tree has a right to exist, but also this tree should be in our country and this tree should be in the seats of Congress of our country.
And this tree is precious, this tree is chosen, this tree is special, this tree.
You just, that kind of thing, it's so illogical.
It makes me think of what Paul writes to the Galatians when he says, Who has bewitched you?
How could you?
I am astonished that you are so quickly abandoning the gospel.
Who has bewitched you?
It seems as though someone, literally in a supernatural sense, cast some kind of dark spell upon you that caused you to go mad.
And that's what I think of when I think of evangelicals.
And I'm saying these things, I'm not trying to be rude.
I'm saying these things as an evangelical.
I am.
For better or for worse, I mean, you know, I'm not, it's not something that I'm particularly proud of these days, but I am an evangelical.
I hold to the tenets, the core tenets of evangelicalism, except save radical, incessant, insufferable Zionism.
But evangelicals really have been, when you look at it and you see the great stand that they've made, and it's a better stand than the Catholics, it's a better stand than the mainline Protestants against perverse immorality.
In our country, these United States of America, when you look at that and then you see the glaring contradiction and them supporting Israel, it's clear that they've been bewitched.
And I mean that, I mean like literally bewitched.
You look at Paula White, the chief faith advisor to Donald Trump, you look at some of the clips of her like rolling on the ground or waving a coat and trying to slay people in the spirit and speaking in tongues.
She's a witch.
She's a witch.
She's not just a Christian with some bad theology.
She is a wolf.
She's a false teacher.
But even more than that, as a woman, I think that it is actually technically accurate to say she's a false teacher in a general sense.
But what particular kind of false prophet?
She is a witch.
She's a witch who casts spells.
And she is casting a spell.
She's not the only one.
I'm not trying to.
Surrogacy and Witchcraft Allegations00:02:33
Just pick on her.
But Paula White and John Hagee, and we could go on and on.
Kenneth Copeland, these guys have been casting a supernatural, bewitching, Galatians' bewitching spell on evangelicals that causes them to stand adamantly against poison apples while also being the chief defenders of the poison apple tree.
It's crazy.
Well said.
Hmm.
Any further thoughts on this episode?
Any other details?
I did just want to mention briefly on surrogacy.
Listen to all the countries, first world countries, that ban surrogacy.
And this is not just surrogacy for gay men.
This would be surrogacy for a rich couple where the wife just doesn't want to give birth France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Sweden, Finland, China, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates.
Then, just for heterosexual couples, India, Thailand, Ukraine, Georgia, Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, it's not even recognized, Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, Indonesia.
And there's only a few countries that allow it.
Now, Canada and the UK allow it, but you can't pay someone.
And on the list that actually allow it's the United States, Colombia, some states in Mexico, and Israel.
Surrogacy, another woman carrying, you'd be the sperm donor, a woman carries a child, and you take it out of her hands.
It's been something that's been on the news and in the headlines the last couple of weeks.
The United States, Israel, and some strange arrangements in the UK and Canada, standing against all the rest of the Western world, all these other first world countries.
So it doesn't matter whether it's celebrating pride, whether it doesn't matter.
While it's celebrating surrogacy, gay surrogacy, it's the United States and Israel again and again, hand in hand.
We love these things.
We don't care that they don't allow it.
We don't care that they don't do that over here.
We're going to do it.
We're going to pop the middle finger, as it were, to the rest of the world and double down on what we're doing and say, we don't think we're doing anything wrong.
How is that going to end?
I seem to recall a town that prided itself on their indulgence, and there came a moment where God said, no more.
That's right.
And that's, you know what, let's finish the episode with this.
By God's grace, you know, we've been making some waves and experiencing a little motion, as the kids would say, having some impact that I pray and hope by God's grace is positive in the larger, you know, political, cultural right scene.
The New Christian Right00:10:37
And as that's been taking place, I've had the privilege of getting to have conversations.
With other guys on the right.
And many of those guys are Christian and devout, but there are plenty who aren't.
There's kind of like this new emerging right, you know, this America first type movement that think, you know, on the political right, think the neocons, George Bush kind of dynasty, and that was ultimately replaced by MAGA and, you know, Trump.
And now MAGA is kind of waning in some sense.
And even if Trump improves, you know, his polling right now, it's very, very bad.
But even if, you know, the 5D chess, you know, ends up being true, you know, and he pulls it out and, you know, we enter the golden age and it's not just a golden age for, you know, For Jews, but actually Americans and all that kind of stuff, even if he pulls it out, Trump is still, he's not going to be president again, right?
There's going to be a post Trump era, right?
The guy's already in his 80s, he's not going to be around forever.
And so something's going to take that place.
America First seems to be what likely will kind of replace MAGA.
And America First is very much united on this anti Zionist, we don't want an Israeli occupied government.
And that's great.
But the same thing that I said for evangelicals right here at the end, I want to give as a clarion call and a strong word of caution for guys on the right who would look at evangelicals and mock them.
Say, you idiots, you dispensational Zionists, you Schofield, Bible thumping sheeple who, you know, who like.
Stand against abortion and stand against this and stand against that, but think that Israel is our greatest ally.
You idiot, Israel is the one who's promulgating all these things.
That's true.
We've already made that point.
But if that, then also this you can't have one without the other.
So, to the right wing guys who are very J Pilled, as you might say, aware of Jewish influence and its negative impact on the United States, If they say we cannot have Israel's influence,
we cannot have this poison apple tree, but we actually don't really mind the poison apples, that too is a great and tragic irony and an offense to God that He ultimately will not indefinitely tolerate and He certainly will not bless.
To say, I'm America first, I'm drawing a line in the sand, no more Jewish influence.
In our American government.
No more ties to Israel.
No more giving our tax dollars to Israel.
No more fighting their wars.
But, you know, that's really my only issue.
And I'm willing to partner with Democrats and leftists on, you know, and tolerate abortion and transgenderism and homosexuality and pornography, right?
I stand against Israel while looking at Pornhub on your phone.
It's like, How stupid can you be?
I stand against poison apple trees while you're taking a bite out of a poison apple.
So it's both.
The evangelicals, who are morally righteous in many ways, have got to get out from underneath the bewitching spell from literal witches like Paula White and stop supporting Israel.
But also, your guys on the right who.
Hate Israel and are wise to many of their schemes, but who are morally mediocre at best or even morally degenerate.
We will not tolerate Israel, but we go to the club, we sleep around, we draw the line at transgenderism, but homosexuality is totally fine.
We're porn addicts.
Abortion, yeah, we kind of think it's wrong, but ultimately we're not going to make that a court decision.
But if it helped me out, I'm a little bit softer on it.
Then you're no different than the evangelical dispensational Zionist, just coming from the opposite direction.
They reject the apples.
But defend the tree.
You reject the tree, but still love the apples.
You're both hypocrites.
We need the new Christian right, not just the new right.
We need the new Christian right.
It must be Christian in its virtues and morals, that it despises the deeds of wickedness everywhere they can be found.
But it also must be intellectually honest and wise, innocent as doves.
But shrewd as serpents, and know that the apples don't just fall from the sky, but they have a root, they have a source, and to cut it off at the source.
So, you need both.
We need a new Christian right that has morals and is also wise in tune, where all these immorality, immorals are actually stemming from.
We need that.
And I'll be honest, as I look to the horizon, That Venn diagram, those two circles are overlapping currently.
It's not to say that God couldn't do a mighty work, and we pray and are hopeful that He will.
But currently, those two circles of those who stand against the poison apple tree, stand against the poison apples, those who stand against both, that overlap is a sliver.
I mean, it is a narrow sliver.
And I just, I'll give a shout out right here at the end.
That's one of the reasons.
Why I unapologetically and still refuse, I apologize to absolutely nobody.
Not only do I not apologize, but I'm glad that we had the privilege of doing a 10 part interview with Nick Fuentes.
Nick is not a perfect man, neither am I.
I don't agree with everything, but here's the deal he very much embodies the America First movement, if not being even the head of that movement, spearheading it.
And he's very much on the forefront of recognizing Jewish influence, Zionist occupied American government, and knowing that that has to end.
And yet, he also, even though he's Catholic, and I have some strong disagreements with Catholics, and I'm Protestant, even though he's single and I'm married with five children, even though he uses some language that I wouldn't use, these are real differences.
But here's the deal Nick Fuentes, who stands against Israel, who stands against the poison apple tree.
Also, for the most part, rejects the poison apples too.
Nick Fuentes has been outspoken against abortion, against mass immigration, against homosexuality as a sin, which is more than you can say for a lot of the new right.
He does fall within that banner, that thin sliver of new Christian right.
You may not agree with his personality or his rhetoric or this, that, and the other, and I understand that.
But Nick Fuentes confesses that Christ is king, that marriage is between one man and one woman, that life begins at conception in the womb with innate dignity, that it should be protected, and that America, in its heritage, and even currently, and it should be in its future, a predominant white nation, while also not hating other peoples, that they're made in the image of God, but that doesn't mean they all get to live here.
He's been abundantly clear on these things.
And he has, you know, his viral clips where he's, you know, says, makes some jokes about cookie monsters and things like that, that, you know, that go viral.
And the rhetoric, you know, using some hyperbole at times and some choice, you know, French language, if you will.
But his positions actually are some of the best positions for someone with a platform that size out there.
And so I'm hoping.
That we would see more of that.
I am rooting, given the chance between somebody who is a Zionist with good morals or anti Zionist, but with few morals to speak of at all, I'm rooting for the Nick Fuentes's of the world that are in that thin sliver where the two circles overlap.
But if America First is going to be successful, If this new Christian right is going to be successful, it's going to have to be both a rejection of the tree and a rejection of the fruit.
It's going to have to have virtue and also be aware of Jewish influence and its negative effects.
And so I hope that that subgroup of this new movement that's emerging wins out.
And I think by the grace of God, it could, but it is a must because if it doesn't, Then the movement might replace MAGA temporarily, but then it'll be toppled and replaced by something else as well.
Why?
Because God won't bless it.
God's not going to bless, not indefinitely, a movement that is aware of the source of problems, but still tolerates the problems.
God's not going to bless that.
He's going to bless a righteous movement that seeks first His kingdom and His righteousness.
Knowing that if they do that and they do it faithfully, then all these other things will be added unto them.
God Won't Bless This Movement00:01:08
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